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Subject: Re: Check out AOL Users Missing Email??
From: "Bernie Cosell" <bernie @ fantasyfarm . com>
Organization: Fantasy Farm Fibers
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:38:16 -0500
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Reply-to: bernie @ fantasyfarm . com

On 27 Jan 2003 at 19:11, Loek Jehee wrote:

> Below you find an excellent mail from another of their victims that
> is and stays blocked. It is sent to me from one of my AOL subscribers.

Turns out that we're suffering from a similar problem [although we're not 
blackklisted with AOL we are on one or another RBLs] --- Apparently some time 
in the past QWest delegated our Class-C to someone who seems to have run afoul 
of some spam-vigilante [at this point, there's no way even to figure out which 
previous owner of the IP block caused the problem, nor whether there was any 
merit to the now long-out-of-date action].

The person at docsplace.org was lucky: we still have had no luck [after three 
weeks now] even getting a reply from the RBL folk, much less make any progress 
on getting things fixed up.  This has nothing to do with AOL's policies, of 
course, but it is one of the problems with handling spamming by arbitrarily 
blocking IP subnets [not to mention that that action is a violation of protocl 
[cf RFC 2821/4.5.1]]


> AOL is keeping Email from their customers. This is against the law!

Could you elaborate?  *what* law is it a violation of?  The very best hope I 
think you'd have is some kind of breach of contract action, but I suspect that 
if you carefully read the ISP's ToS you'll find plenty of weasel words that'll 
make that a tough row to hoe.  For example, one particularly aggressive throw-
the-mail-amail-because-we-think-it's-spam ISP has this in their ToS:

    [ISP] makes no warranties of any kind, whether expressed or implied,
    for the service it is providing. [ISP] disclaims any warranty of
    merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. [ISP] will not
    be responsible for any damage you suffer from use of its service
    including, but not limited to, loss of data, delays, misdeliveries or
    service interruptions caused by [ISP]'s negligence or your own errors
    or omissions. 

So you can't say you weren't warned...:o)

  /Bernie\

-- 
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--          



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