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Subject: Re: [Fwd: EFF Mailing List Query]
From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk @ queernet . org>
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:27:07 -0800
To: Rich Kulawiec <rsk @ gsp . org>
Cc: list-managers @ greatcircle . com
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Rich Kulawiec wrote:

>FUD.  I'm unaware of any properly-run opt-in mailing lists that have
>been mislabeled as spam and "wrongly blocked".
>
Well, then it's an awareness issue at your side.

Many service providers block lists based on receipt patterns without 
considering whether the subscriptions were validly requested by the 
recipients.

While it is possible to get "whitelisted" by them once you explain and 
demonstrate your white-hattedness, they don't make it possible to do 
this in advance, nor in most cases do they even acknowledge that it's 
possible without weeks of wrangling.

In other cases, complaints of spam came *because* of confirmation 
messages -- we've been listed at Spamcop because of users getting 
subscribe-slammed and reporting our confirmation messages as spam.

>Of course, individual users may forget that they've signed up for
>something and report it as spam: but that's easily fixed simply by hanging
>onto all subscribe/unsubscribe logs permanently.  
>
That doesn't fix it -- that gives you the ammo to enter into a manual 
process to fix it, one by one, each time it's reported.




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