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Subject: not about (was Re: PLEASE DO NOT CC ME ON MESSAGES TO THIS
From: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @ plaidworks . com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:55:45 -0800
To: J C Lawrence <claw @ kanga . nu>
Cc: bwarsaw @ python . org (Barry A. Warsaw),Tom Neff <tneff @ grassyhill . net>, list-managers @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: <23445.1046202941@kanga.nu>

>> Yep, and in fact that's how I read list-managers, so I appreciate the
>> extra CC.
>
> I observe a growing divide between the contributing audience and the
> leeching audience...
>

and RSS and other technologies will only increase the size of the 
passive audience. I've gone back and forth over whether this is good or 
bad, and finally decided to not worry about it. As long as you have a 
viable user population, does it matter that some folks choose to not 
contribute?

I've actually spent time tracking down and interviewing lurkers, to see 
why they lurk. It pretty much boils down to:

1) by the time I'd get around to saying something, someone else already 
has.

2) I don't feel qualified to comment on it. (which I can say is 
definitely not
	true for many of the lurkers I've talked to, but in many cases, it's a 
polite
	way of saying:)

3) I don't feel like fighting for face time on the list.

and the reality is, not everyone feels the need to fight to be heard, 
and on many lists there's enough volume and, well, outgoing 
personalities, that getting a word in edgewise is simply seen as more 
hassle than it's worth.

We've been experimenting with "lurker days" with some success. They're 
periods of time where the regular posters shut up and listen, and allow 
some breathing room for the rest of the list without the lurkers having 
to fear having to crawl into the mosh pit. The lurkers like it, for the 
most part the NON-lurkers like it and it gets more people involved in 
contributing. it allows lurkers to comment on ongoing threads without 
the pushback of those with forceful personalities (i.e.: me and people 
like me) and to say things that those of us who enjoy flapping our gums 
hadn't thought to talk about. it's caused a couple of lurkers to come 
out and graduate, too, once they saw they weren't going to get pulped, 
too.

And it's funny what you can learn when you shut up and listen, if you 
actually shut up and listen, not just shut up...

I don't think it's right for all lists, but I do think it's a way to 
better tie into more of the user base in a low-key, low-stress way. 
Some folks simply enjoy listening to what others have to say, and some 
folks don't mind contributing, but aren't into the most pit aspect 
lists can have. And lurker days are a way to give them some way to 
contribute on THEIR terms, not ours. And I like that. even if I have to 
sit on my hands for 24 hours...




-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech, Apple IS&T E-mail systems
chuq@apple.com



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