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Subject: Re: Are members blocking instead of leaving?
From: JC Dill <inet-list @ vo . cnchost . com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:52:20 -0800
To: list-managers @ greatcircle . com
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Bernie Cosell wrote:

> In any event: what do you all do with those bounces?  I get them, too [in 
> addition to the equally obnoxoius "No thanks" from world.std.com and similar 
> from a few other sites].  Do you forward them back to the original poster or 
> not?  I just trashcan the thing.  I realize that this means that person A 
> doesn't know that person B never got their message, but, for me, life's too 
> short and this feels like it should be someone else's problem.

I'm saving them in my list-admin email box, and if I decide to confront 
the AOLuser about AOL's stupid handling of this problem, I'll have the 
whole lot of them to send to the AOLuser to show what an annoying 
problem it is.  I have a fundamental problem with JHD, I shouldn't have 
to do that, period.
> 
> What I could do [since I have an appropriate mail client -- there are 
> remarkably few that can!] I could 'resent-*' the bounce to the original author 
> and it wouldn't even look [to the casual observer] that I had gotten in the 
> middle of their dispute... but, alas, even that is more bother than I go to 
> [but I'd be willing to modify my behavior here if y'all really thought it was 
> better-practice to pass the bounce on].

I don't think list-managers should have to do special handling to 
process bounces to go to the appropriate recepient.  AOL has chosen to 
give their Lusers this stupid filtering option without thinking thru the 
ramifications of bouncing email that a blocked address submits to a 
mailing list that the AOLuser is subscribed to.  I suggest that doing 
anything to coddle AOL and the AOLuser is wrong, as it will just 
encourage more such stupidity in the future.  We already are having to 
do more and more mime-stripping to strip away the AOL "feature" of HTML 
bloated email off our lists.  Then we can setup special bounce filtering 
behavior to send AOL's stupid bounce messages to the appropriate 
recepient.  When will we say ENOUGH!?  At what point do we make the 
AOLuser responsible for their patronage of an ISP that doesn't care 
about how their software make things harder for the rest of the Internet 
community?

jc



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