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Subject: Re: Questions for those who have this information
From: James M Galvin <galvin+list-managers @ eListX . com>
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 11:13:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
To: "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq." <amitchell @ habeas . com>
Cc: list-managers @ greatcircle . com
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:

    3. If you could sit down, face to face, with the CEO of $BIGISP,
    what are the three things you would most like to impress upon them
    in terms of how they handle incoming mailing list mail from a list
    such as yours?

I've got just one.  Do RFC3464 right!

There is no longer any excuse for not using DSNs.  If sites would use
them (and use them correctly) we wouldn't need VERPs, which kill
performance unnecessarily.  And we wouldn't need probes to find bad
email addresses.

My two biggest pet peeves about DSN implementations:

1. Syntax errors - The number of ways that MTAs incorrectly implement
   what is clearly specified in the standard is beyond me.

2. Not using original-recipient - Although the use of the
   Original-Recipient information is optional, not using it when the
   final and original do not match is a waste of bits.  It's worse than
   not using DSNs at all.

There is something bad to say about every major ISP on the issue of
RFC3464 compliance.

Jim

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