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Subject: Re: mailing with sendmail binary / errors
From: Al Iverson <iverson @ mnjazz . com>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:06:12 -0600
To: list-managers @ greatcircle . com
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lee wrote:

> 
> Thanks for your interest Al;
> 
> Sorry about the wonky line wrap in my last mail to this list.
> 
> Sure, below is a url showing the message source as shown in Mozilla 
> Thunderbird on a mailgust mail sent out using the sendmail binary. The 
> mail was originally emailed into the list by me from Thunderbird. The 
> particular list is set to make the Reply-To header show the list 
> address, although that's not relevant here. The Mailgust install used 
> here is the standard latest release, free from my current 'experimental 
> coding'.
> 
> I might also add here that Thunderbird shows the same form of
> From
> header at the top of all message sources I look at, irrespective of any 
> mailing list or individual emailer, but from what I understand this 
> isn't the
> From
> header I / we have referred to earlier ?? ...

Yeah, same on Mozilla for me, for any message I check, so I don't think 
it's having an impact on the issue.

> anyway, here's the url of the message source:
> 
> http://www.incelsite.com/fullheaders.txt

If I understand correctly, the issue is bounces being distributed to 
list members, yes?

Is the list locked so that only members can post? Verified by email address?

Can you post one of those bounces to a text file, just like you did with 
the example post?

My thoughts would be to change the return path as to not be the list 
posting address, or to change the list so that only members may post.

If you're still seeing the issues after that happens, then it feels like 
you have some list members with a wonky MTA or MUA that is doing some 
bad stuff. I see that often enough on our mailings (avg 1-2 mil a day) 
that we had to put some extensive automation in place to handle 
misdirected bounces, as well as the usual other garbage like out of 
office replies.

It could also be caused by some poorly-designed spam filter, that's 
helpfully trying to bounce perceived spam, but is parsing the headers 
wrong and sending it to the wrong person (though in a situation like 
that, there's really not a right person to send it to; a spam filter 
like that does little more than pound innocents with misdirected spam 
and bounces).

In a situation like this your only recourse may be to hunt down and 
remove the offending list members.

Regards,
Al Iverson



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