Just a few more thoughts on this, as I move increasingly towards giving up.
I need someone who understands php and sendmail, and is willing to look
at the 2 unmodified mailgust (mlm) files below with reference to all this.
http://www.incelsite.com/mgtest/sendcron.txt (normally a php file)
http://www.incelsite.com/mgtest/gorum/zmail.txt ( " "
" )
Please see * below for my comments.
Nick Simicich wrote:
>Return-path is a header that is set by the MTA (i.e., sendmail)
>as part of the final delivery and it is simply a conventional way to
>preserve the RFC821 envelope address. Setting it before you resend
>something is likely useless. It is a way to make this visible to the
>mail recipient and will otherwise likely be ignored.
>
>
* Ok, I understand and appreciate this. I have abandoned my blind coding
attempts to change the return-path header within mailgust.
>
>Did you understand what I wrote? Please read RFC821 - there are newer
>ones, but that one is on point here. When you understand that there is
>a MAIL FROM and a RCPT TO address, then consider that what you put in
>the mail header has nothing to do with the delivery of the mail.
>
>
* I've tried to read up in some relevant places, but I fail to understand much of it.
>(With the exception of using the -t option to sendmail - when you do
>that, sendmail parses the header, once, and fills in the envelope.)
>
>
* Are things like -f and -t sendmail arguments which I have read quite a
lot about? Presumably these would be / are coded somewhere in the
mailgust php code. If you mean instead that I have to set something up
in sendmail I don't understand anyway how that would work for a specific
address or program. It sounds to me like an action to impact on how
sendmail works generally.
>There is an envelope. The envelope is how one sendmail talks to
>another - the "MAIL FROM:<your list bounce address>" "RCPT TO:<someone
>getting your list mail."
>
>* Ok; It is this 'list bounce address' I am trying and wanting / needing to set.
>
>
>Return-Path might be parsed by -t from sendmail, (I have no way of testing this) but it seems wrong headed to do that.
>
>
* Would this be due to the mlm coding or a sendmail options setting?
Looking through the mailgust sendcron.php and gorum/zmail.php files
shows things like -f but not -t.
Please bear in mind again I have no understanding of php and very little
understanding of unix commands.
>
>If you have the ability to set up scripting, you have the ability to get
>an interactive shell on your web host. You just don't know how. :-)
>
>
* I still believe I don't have shell access to my hosting without
specifically asking for it or getting my host to do it.
If you are calling sendmail directly to forward the e-mail that is being
generated or forwarded by mailgust, you need to override the origin.
Using the owner- magic might work. Specifying what you want as an
argument to sendmail is more likely to work.
* ok sure; by owner- magic do you mean including an alias of the form:
list-owner: xyz@abc.com ?
From what I have read, the style of my aliases will not work with
this. The info I have read implies this works with an 'include' alias
and a file of addresses.
My aliases follow either the form:
list@abc.com: path_to_mlm_cron_file
or
list@abc.com: list_mailbox, path_to_mlm_cron_file
> <> -fname Sets the name of the ``from'' person (i.e., the envelope sender
> of the mail). This address may also be used in the From: header
> if that header is missing during initial submission. The enve-
> lope sender address is used as the recipient for delivery status
> notifications and may also appear in a Return-Path: header. -f
> should only be used by ``trusted'' users (normally root, daemon,
> and network) or if the person you are trying to become is the
> same as the person you are. Otherwise, an X-Authentication-
> Warning header will be added to the message.
>
>* ok sure, but again, where and how to do this? In 1 or more mlm files?
>
>
Again, the simple answer is that if you specify the address you want the
bounces to go to, then you don't need to worry.
* yes, that's totally what I want to do !!
Thanks again,
Lee
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