From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 1 08:07:19 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA23388 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 08:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from oasis.novia.net (oasis.novia.net [204.248.24.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id IAA23365 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 08:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lenny.novia.net (lenny.novia.net [204.248.25.42]) by oasis.novia.net (8.7.3/Novia) with SMTP id JAA18527 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:59:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199601011559.JAA18527@oasis.novia.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "donna" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:59:53 +600 Subject: Hello... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk (and) Happy New Year I'm new to the list, and a fairly new listowner. I have a question that may or may not be easily answered; trying it here since my owner-majordomo has a holiday or something...heh My list has just seen the end of its first month, and I want to make December's posts available as an archive. I was under the (apparently false) impression this would happen automagically since there is a directory called nervousnet.archive, but nothing so simple. How does the file get there? I get perm. denied when I try to put a file there via ftp. I've read the faq, and while it mentions digests and archives in the same "breath" it only discusses digests. I thought I'd see listowner type docs somewhere (and even saved them), but I can't find them now. Any help/tips/documentation address would be appreciated. Thanks! donna *********************************************** dwalker@novia.net http://www.novia.net/~dwalker/index.html Home of the Nervous Net Mailing List; subscribe via nervousnet-approval@novia.net Hoot! *********************************************** From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 1 15:07:19 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA00912 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from syse.dce.vic.gov.au (syse.dce.vic.gov.au [203.11.140.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id PAA00907 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.dce.vic.gov.au (hermes.dce.vic.gov.au [157.128.1.43]) by syse.dce.vic.gov.au with SMTP id JAA09906 (8.7.1/IDA-1.6); Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:58:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from msl.oz.au (msl) by hermes.dce.vic.gov.au with SMTP id AA24999 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sun, 31 Dec 1995 15:13:53 +1100 Received: from msl by msl.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27765; Sun, 31 Dec 95 15:12:41 EST Message-Id: <9512310412.AA27765@msl.oz.au> X-Sender: ngd@msl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 15:12:36 +1000 To: Deya Motawie From: Nik Dow Subject: Re: Unknown Users Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 02:23 AM 31/12/95 +1100, Deya Motawie wrote: >1 ) But , when they start sending messages to the list name , things start to >get out of order, lots of errors. >For example, then send to a mail list : amis , but it insists that it is >unknown user ! >here is my aliases file in /etc/ >-------------------------------------- > >majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" >#sample:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" >owner-majordomo: deya >majordomo-owner: deya >Majordomo-Owner: owner-majordomo >nobody: /dev/null >owner-amis: deya, nobody >amis: "!/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l amis -h cheops.apana.org.au amis-outgoing" amis-request: "majordom|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer amis" Why do you have an exclamation mark in there? (!) It should be a pipe (|). >2 ) The other problem is , I can't send a message ( a help for instance ) to >sample-request as it gives me the following message : >Subject: EOT >WARNING: cannot open alias database /etc/aliases >/etc/aliases: 26 aliases, longest 92 bytes, 1048 bytes total >amis-request... aliased to "majordom|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer amis" >"majordom|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer amis"... User unknown >owner-amis... aliased to deya, nobody >nobody... aliased to /dev/null >/dev/null... Sent >deya... Sent Why do you have "majorom|... It should be "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer amis" Happy new year. _____________________________________________________________________ Nik Dow Victorian Fisheries Research Institute voice +61 (3) 412 4901 P.O. Box 114 fax: (3) 412 4623 or (52) 580 270 ,-_|\ Queenscliff n.dow@dce.vic.gov.au / \ Australia 3225 \_,-. / * <--- Queenscliff v From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 1 15:52:19 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA01595 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.his.com (mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA01590 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:42:42 -0800 (PST) From: taxi@bitmail.com Received: from bitmail.com (bitmail@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id SAA08147 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:41:59 -0500 Received: by bitmail.com id 0Q8YX002 Mon, 01 Jan 96 18:41:06 Message-ID: <9601011841.0Q8YX00@bitmail.com> Organization: Bit Inc. X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 96 18:41:06 Subject: ERROR MSG To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I just installed version 1.93 and it works great....except for one very pesky problem that I can't figure out. I'm using FreeBSD 2.1.0 on a 486. When I send a "subscribe" message to majordomo@mydomain.nam the system sends back 4 messages. #1 - Message notifying the list owner of the new addition (fine) #2 - A welcome message to me (fine) #3 - A status message (<< To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Archives on TWO different systems Message-ID: X-URL: http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I am the listmanager for Project Genesis (torah.org) and our lists are maintained and run off of torah.org. We want our archives to be on ftp.torah.org which is a different machine. Is this possible? Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brock Rozen | Internet: brozen@netvoyage.net | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | Check out my homepage at http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | For automated information on various subjects, send an e-mail to my | | Internet address with SEND HELP on the SUBJECT line. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 1 20:24:51 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA07525 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 20:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from syse.dce.vic.gov.au (syse.dce.vic.gov.au [203.11.140.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id UAA07515; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 20:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.dce.vic.gov.au (hermes.dce.vic.gov.au [157.128.1.43]) by syse.dce.vic.gov.au with SMTP id PAA11149 (8.7.1/IDA-1.6); Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:15:30 +1100 (EST) Received: from msl.oz.au (msl) by hermes.dce.vic.gov.au with SMTP id AA01467 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:18:12 +1100 Received: from msl2390 by msl.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09300; Tue, 2 Jan 96 15:17:10 EST Message-Id: <9601020417.AA09300@msl.oz.au> X-Sender: ngd@msl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 15:17:10 +1000 To: Brock Rozen , majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Nik Dow Subject: Re: Archives on TWO different systems Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 05:13 PM 1/1/96 -0800, Brock Rozen wrote: >Hi, > >I am the listmanager for Project Genesis (torah.org) and our lists are >maintained and run off of torah.org. We want our archives to be on >ftp.torah.org which is a different machine. Is this possible? Any ideas >or suggestions? Thanks, There would seem to be 2 alternatives (I'm assuming you servers are UNIX hosts) 1. do an NFS mount of the ftp directory onto your majordomo host or 2. use cron to copy the files (maybe using ftp) at regular intervals. _____________________________________________________________________ Nik Dow Victorian Fisheries Research Institute voice +61 (3) 412 4901 P.O. Box 114 fax: (3) 412 4623 or (52) 580 270 ,-_|\ Queenscliff n.dow@dce.vic.gov.au / \ Australia 3225 \_,-. / * <--- Queenscliff v From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 2 08:37:19 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA23598 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from c2smtp.ipmg.co.uk (c2smtp.ipmg.co.uk [194.128.159.6]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA23593 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by c2smtp.ipmg.co.uk via Connect2-SMTP 4.00; Tue, 2 Jan 96 16:26:23 +0000 Message-ID: <77E2C63001D01400@c2smtp.ipmg.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 16:26:00 -0300 From: Edmund Ward Organization: IPMG Ltd To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Confusing error X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I sent a request for help out just before Christmas, but got no replies :-( In the hope that someone may feel sorry for me I am repeating it: I managed to get majordomo running as far as setting up a test list with two subscribers. I can get the config file and I can send it back. But anything else I now send to it as majordomo or listname-request sends back the following error: syntax error at /users/majordomo/majordomo.pl line 234, near "print" syntax error at /users/majordomo/majordomo.pl line 236, near "} else" 554 "|/users/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 2 I never touched the majordomo.pl script and the referenced lines don't look at first glance to be wrong. Anybody got any clues? I'm running Majordomo 1.93 and Perl 5.001m. Also: What's the difference between using the listname-request: "|.../wrapper majordomo -l listname" alias and the listname-request: "|.../wrapper request-answer listname" alias? Thank you for your attention. Sorry to sound so pathetic. Edmund Ward edmund@newsdesk.com From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 2 09:07:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA24051 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [192.74.137.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA24039 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA21576; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:58:54 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29595; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:58:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199601021658.AA29595@world.std.com> To: Edmund Ward Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Confusing error In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Jan 1996 16:26:00 EST." <77E2C63001D01400@c2smtp.ipmg.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 11:58:53 -0500 From: Elizabeth Lear Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Just a quick guess, but did you make the needed changes to the program for using perl5? Check the FAQ on that. ...eliz From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 2 09:22:19 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA24589 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from tortola.usgcc.odu.edu (tortola.usgcc.odu.edu [128.82.48.91]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA24579 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by tortola.usgcc.odu.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6.Beta9) id MAA02973; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:16:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Timothy M. Hughes" To: majordomo-users Subject: list.passwd & list.somethingelse Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am trying to moderate a list and approve new users with two different passwords. I changed the list.config file to reflect the list.somethingelse to contain the password for moderation and the list.passwd to contain the password to approve subscriptions. I don't have any problems with the subscription part, but to approve a message (moderate), I have to use the list.passwd instead of the list.somethingelse that i had specified. I modified the the list.config with an editor and then tried the newconfig command to change it. Neither made a difference. Outta Ideas...... thanks.... !miT From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 2 11:37:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA29288 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ASARian.org (ASARian.org [152.52.36.201]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA29283 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fuzzy@localhost) by ASARian.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA01052; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 14:33:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 14:33:14 -0500 (EST) From: Fuzzy To: Majordomo-users List Subject: Why?: BOUNCE sanctuary: Admin request Message-ID: Organization: *fuzzies* and *e-hugs* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I thought saying "no" to the list.config entry below would remove resends checking for this stuff. identifying info masked for anonyminity. # administrivia [bool] (yes) # Look for administrative requests (e.g. subscribe/unsubscribe) and # forward them to the list maintainer instead of the list. administrivia = no since this list is functionally a support group, it very reasonable to have the word "help" in a subject. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 14:18:55 -0500 From: owner-sanctuary@ASARian.org To: owner-sanctuary@ASARian.org Subject: BOUNCE sanctuary: Admin request >From sanctuary-owner@ASARian.org Tue Jan 2 12:52:36 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:51:00 GMT Message-Id: <199601021651.QAA12322@*.*.*> X-Sender: *@*.*.*.* X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sanctuary@ASARian.org From: *@*.*.*.* (*) Subject: Help..again! ^^^^ this is apparently the offending word. how can I remove the checks for administriva w/o having to remove it completely from resend ? *sigh* Fuzzy SysAdmin ASARian.org From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 2 18:07:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA14109 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA14104 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from igc4.igc.apc.org (igc4.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.37]) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.213 ) with SMTP id RAA04300 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:59:23 -0800 Received: (from evs) by igc4.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.16 ) id RAA17423 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:59:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:59:16 -0800 From: Edward Simpson Message-Id: <199601030159.RAA17423@igc4.igc.apc.org> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: More forged subscription spams via eagle.ais.net, and a fix Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The code that I posted incorporating Brent Chapman's filter into majordomo 1.93 wasn't quite right. If you've installed it, make the following changes to it. Ed Simpson Internet: evs@igc.apc.org Technical Staff UUCP: uunet!cdp!evs Institute for Global Communications Phone: 415-322-9069, 415-442-0220 *** majordomo~ Thu Dec 28 22:55:58 1995 --- majordomo Tue Jan 2 17:34:18 1996 *************** *** 105,111 **** &set_log($log, $hostname, "majordomo", $reply_to); # filter mail that is to be ignored ! if (defined($hdrs{'from'}) && defined(@ignore_from)) { local($from) = $hdrs{'from'}; local($i); foreach $i (@ignore_from) { --- 105,111 ---- &set_log($log, $hostname, "majordomo", $reply_to); # filter mail that is to be ignored ! if (defined(@ignore_from) && defined($hdrs{'from'})) { local($from) = $hdrs{'from'}; local($i); foreach $i (@ignore_from) { *************** *** 112,118 **** $ignore = "IGNORE REQUEST: From: $i" if ($from =~ /${i}/i); } } ! elsif (defined($hdrs{'received'}) && defined(@ignore_rcvd)) { local($rcvd) = $hdrs{'received'}; local($i); foreach $i (@ignore_rcvd) { --- 112,118 ---- $ignore = "IGNORE REQUEST: From: $i" if ($from =~ /${i}/i); } } ! if (defined(@ignore_rcvd) && !defined($ignore) && defined($hdrs{'received'})) { local($rcvd) = $hdrs{'received'}; local($i); foreach $i (@ignore_rcvd) { From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 2 18:52:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA14932 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:46:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from allover.com (violet.allover.com [206.14.86.20]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA14927 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by allover.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12405; Tue, 2 Jan 96 18:48:52 PST Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 18:48:52 PST From: gecmd@allover.com (Gil Chamaki) Message-Id: <9601030248.AA12405@allover.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: 200 or more lists Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I wanted to know if anyone is using Majodomo with 200 or more lists or groups. Could someone let me know if they have it implemented in production environment and if so whether is trouble free? I am considering Majordomo for a large corporation. Your input on supported products/unsupported which can do the above requirement is appreciated as well. Thanks in advance. Gil Chamaki From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 3 07:37:23 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA01243 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 07:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us (isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us [204.199.126.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA01220 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 07:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycteria.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us by isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0tXV2t-002NYyC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 10:24 EST Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:19:15 -0500 (EST) From: Don Hayward To: Majordomo Users Subject: user unknown - but not really Message-ID: Read-Receipt-To: don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is probably not a majordomo problem specifically, but it occurs as part of the majordomo process and this seems the most likely body of users to ask. So... We have a list and a digest (marbio and marbio-digest) the problem occurs with the digest list. Many of the members of the digest list are having their list mail rejected with a "user unknown ...." error message, when we know that the addresses are good -- we send and receive to and from them in regular email and when they subscribe to the non-digest list, they receive the mailings. I've tried varying the form of the addresses in the list -- with & without angle brackets, etc. without success. I'm including a portion of the error output from the mailer in hopes that it may contain a clue someone can spot. The system is Linux 1.2.11. Thanks for your time. don Don Hayward, JAPH Mote Marine Laboratory don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us 1600 Ken Thompson Parkway Voice: 941.388.4441 Sarasota, FL 34236 Fax: 941.388.4312 We are an independent, non-profit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. require "disclaimer.pl"; # We run Linux See: http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us/ http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us/~don ------------- error mail ------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 01:27 EST From: MAILER-DAEMON@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us To: owner-marbio-digest-outgoing@isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us Subject: mail failed, sending to address owner |------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------| mariposa@acs.bu.edu ... failed: transport smtp: 550 owner-marbio-digest... User unknown . . many addresses . . pbiesiot@whale.st.usm.edu ... failed: transport smtp: 550 owner-marbio-digest... User unknown: A specified file does not support the ioctl system call. |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------| Received: by isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0tXLI3-002NZHa; Tue, 2 Jan 96 23:59 EST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 23:59 EST From: owner-marbio-digest To: marbio-digest@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us Subject: marbio-digest V1 #56 Reply-To: marbio Errors-To: owner-marbio-digest Precedence: bulk etc. .... From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 3 08:52:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA02364 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:40:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dizzy.ipmg.co.uk (dizzy.ipmg.co.uk [194.128.159.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA02355 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:40:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601031640.IAA02355@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: by dizzy.ipmg.co.uk (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA19155; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:43:48 GMT From: Edmund Ward Subject: Do I need FTPMAIL? To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 16:43:48 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear all Thank you to Elizabeth (you know who you are) for replying to my last request for help. It now appears to be working. Here is a totally other problem. I want to use majordomo to allow users to get simple text files by mail. The config file seems to suggest that the files that can be accessed by listname need to have 'listname' as a component of their name, i.e. listnamefilename.extension. Am I reading this right? Does this mean that if I want to allow users to access files that were not created as a result of resends to my list I will need to use something else such as FTPMAIL? Any help will be gratefully received. Edmund Ward edmund@newsdesk.com From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 3 09:10:59 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA02266 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from SSD.intel.com (ssd.intel.com [137.46.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA02259 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ark.SSD.intel.com by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21890; Wed, 3 Jan 96 08:36:46 PST Received: by ark.SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04901; Wed, 3 Jan 96 08:36:44 PST Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 08:36:44 PST From: Mike Northam Message-Id: <9601031636.AA04901@ark.SSD.intel.com> To: fuzzy@ASARian.org Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Why?: BOUNCE sanctuary: Admin request In-Reply-To: References: X-Attribution: mbn Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> In article , Fuzzy writes: Fuzzy> To: sanctuary@ASARian.org Fuzzy> From: *@*.*.*.* (*) Fuzzy> Subject: Help..again! Fuzzy> ^^^^ Fuzzy> this is apparently the offending word. how can I remove Fuzzy> the checks for administriva w/o having to remove it Fuzzy> completely from resend ? Make sure you don't have -s specified in the resend parameters. This will override your config file setting. (In fact, you don't want to use most of the resend flags--see the FAQ for info on this.) From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 3 09:52:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA03451 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sr1.srnet.com ([206.148.68.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA03445 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from benn@localhost) by sr1.srnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA05752; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:18:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: Benn Boulton To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Member names In-Reply-To: <9601031636.AA04901@ark.SSD.intel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I wnat to include the members real names for my lists and if I dont strip the comments whatever is typed after the email address will make it to the list of members. BUT when mojordomo sents out a mailing the real name/comment causes an undeliverable message error. the entry in the list look like this. me@myhost.com My Real Name Majordomo sends the message to me@myhost.com but sends the owner undeliverable message errors for each of MY, REAL, and NAME. Im a BSDI BSD OS 2.0.1 with 1.93 majordomo Any Ideas. Benn From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 3 10:07:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA03571 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from behemoth.tamu.edu (BEHEMOTH.TAMU.EDU [128.194.44.99]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA03566 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from psittler@localhost) by behemoth.tamu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01150; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:42:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:42:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul M. Sittler" To: Edmund Ward cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Do I need FTPMAIL? In-Reply-To: <199601031640.IAA02355@miles.greatcircle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Edmund Ward wrote: > Here is a totally other problem. I want to use majordomo to allow users > to get simple text files by mail. The config file seems to suggest that > the files that can be accessed by listname need to have 'listname' as a > component of their name, i.e. listnamefilename.extension. > > Am I reading this right? Does this mean that if I want to allow users > to access files that were not created as a result of resends to my list > I will need to use something else such as FTPMAIL? > Majordomo does a pretty good job of transferring text files via mail. ftpmail helps when the files are not just plain text. To experiment with a working archive, message to: "majordomo@taex001.tamu.edu" index ham index ham-digest try a get on one or two. ftpmail is not installed there. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 3 10:52:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA06231 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [192.74.137.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA06225 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:43:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id NAA12738; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:42:20 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24741; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:42:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199601031842.AA24741@world.std.com> To: Benn Boulton Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Member names In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Jan 1996 12:18:05 EST." Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 13:42:18 -0500 From: Elizabeth Lear Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > me@myhost.com My Real Name Acceptable address file formats are me@myhost.com (My Real Name) OR My Real Name ...eliz From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 3 14:37:22 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA13223 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from reginet.bham.ac.uk (reginet.bham.ac.uk [147.188.63.74]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id CAA15396 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 02:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from med613.bham.ac.uk by reginet.bham.ac.uk; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Nov95-0438PM) id AA04301; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:47:33 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:47:33 GMT Message-Id: <9601021047.AA04301@reginet.bham.ac.uk> X-Sender: paul@reginet.bham.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Paul Key Subject: HELP! Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: 4072 Memory fault - core dumped 554 "|/usr/users/list/majordomo/active/wrapper request-answer test"... unknown mailer error 139 I've just tried to install Majordomo on an Alpha running D-UNIX 3.2a under the user 'list' and I get the above error...any ideas greatly received! Paul From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 3 14:52:23 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA13495 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from triumph.cs.utah.edu (triumph.cs.utah.edu [155.99.208.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA03348 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by triumph.cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/) id KAA10446; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:33:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:33:46 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis Message-Id: <199601031733.KAA10446@triumph.cs.utah.edu> To: edmund@ipmg.co.uk CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: <199601031640.IAA02355@miles.greatcircle.com> (message from Edmund Ward on Wed, 3 Jan 96 16:43:48 GMT) Subject: Re: Do I need FTPMAIL? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk No, the you can put files with any name in the archive directory, and the index and get commands will work just fine. For example, sending index triumphs to majordomo@autox.team.net results in >>>> index triumphs total 15742 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root sys 15172 Sep 13 03:20 junior_details.txt -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom mailadmin 52219 Feb 25 1995 triumphs.archive.9502 -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom mailadmin 159022 Mar 31 1995 triumphs.archive.9503 -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom mailadmin 511732 Apr 30 1995 triumphs.archive.9504 ... mjb. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 3 14:55:02 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA13182 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hp715a.csc.cuhk.hk (hp715a.csc.cuhk.hk [137.189.196.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA03697 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from edu.cuhk.hk (www.edu.cuhk.hk) by hp715a.csc.cuhk.hk with SMTP id AA02424 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for <@hp715a.csc.cuhk.hk:majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>); Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:29:29 +0800 Received: by edu.cuhk.hk (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com id JAA12029; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:24:11 -0700 From: kcchang@edu.cuhk.hk (CHANG Kai-Cheong) Message-Id: <199601021624.JAA12029@edu.cuhk.hk> Subject: Help for a newbie To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:24:11 -0700 (HKT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, Recently, I installed majordomo 1.93 on the Faculty SGI server running IRIX 5.3 and got the following messages when I sent a "lists" command to majordomo: == ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/people/majordom/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: majordomo) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Segmentation fault - core dumped 554 "|/usr/people/majordom/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 139 Message delivered to mailing list owner-owner Message delivered to mailing list owner-majordomo == When I used nearly the same config file and mail aliases on a Linux box, it works just fine without any problem. Would anyone please point me out what did I miss out?? Thanks in advance. -- K.C. Chang Assistant Computer Officer Email: kcchang@edu.cuhk.hk Faculty of Education, CUHK From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 3 18:07:23 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA20878 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [198.108.59.138]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA20873 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (rtucker@localhost) by puck.nether.net (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA02362; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:56:31 -0500 From: Ryan Tucker Message-Id: <199601040156.UAA02362@puck.nether.net> Subject: Re: Member names To: benn@srnet.com (Benn Boulton) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:56:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Benn Boulton" at Jan 3, 96 12:18:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Try something like: My Real Name or me@myhost.com (My Real Name) You could probably convert the whole file with a simple perl script (this exercise is left for the reader), or do it by hand if the list is short. The logic behind this is because sendmail (majordomo doesn't care about the file format during delivery) can't tell the difference between two addresses with a comma, newline, or space between them. This is so that people can do quick and dirty aliases in /etc/aliases. If you don't like that, feel free to rewrite RFC 822 and get your replacement globally accepted ;-) Have a good one! -rt > I wnat to include the members real names for my lists and if I > dont strip the comments whatever is typed after the email address > will make it to the list of members. > > BUT when mojordomo sents out a mailing the real name/comment causes > an undeliverable message error. > the entry in the list look like this. > > me@myhost.com My Real Name > > Majordomo sends the message to me@myhost.com but sends the owner > undeliverable message errors for each of MY, REAL, and NAME. > > Im a BSDI BSD OS 2.0.1 with 1.93 majordomo > > Any Ideas. > > Benn > -- Ryan Tucker (aka HoopyCat) Undernet.Org Listowner rtucker@undernet.org From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 4 11:07:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA13458 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.iie.org (smtp.iie.org [199.222.72.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA13453 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:59:37 -0800 (PST) From: aspivakovsky@iie.org Received: from ccMail by smtp.iie.org (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 0ec227c0; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:54:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:52:14 -0500 Message-ID: <0ec227c0@iie.org> Subject: strange problem Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk A moderated list on my MD server is having a peculiar problem. Sometimes messages get cut off in the middle, and some of the recipients get only the top or bottom half. Others receive this in the body of the message: > Apparently-To: goe1@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: aif2@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: lh36@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: dvk2@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: lk32@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: mak20@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: ml73@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: abm9@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: ajm19@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: hhhfellows-out ^ |------ this is my resend alias for that list I looked in the archive and the message was OK. I am using a slightly modified version of the resend script that allows a list owner to pipe the approval to an alias that in turn sends it to the approve script. Other lists set up exactly the same way don't have any problems. I'm running MD 1.93 Perl 5.0, on AIX 3.2.5 and I believe the sendmail version is 4 (I think). Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks Ari From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 4 16:07:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA20225 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rspac.ivv.nasa.gov (rspac.ivv.nasa.gov [129.164.40.100]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA07188 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 06:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ral@localhost) by rspac.ivv.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA00125 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:34:40 -0500 From: Rebecca Littleton Message-Id: <199601041434.JAA00125@rspac.ivv.nasa.gov> Subject: mail delivery problem: insecure dependency with -T switch To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:34:40 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk When trying to subscribe to a list, I get the following error. Can someone help me fix this problem. Thanks. The original message was received at Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:30:25 -0500 from ral@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/apps/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: majordomo@host-name-is-here) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Insecure dependency in `` while running with -T switch at /apps/majordomo/majordomo line 46. 554 "|/apps/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 255 Rebecca Littleton ral@rspac.ivv.nasa.gov From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 4 16:22:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA20312 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA19492 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from (dialup-4a.prismnet.com [205.166.246.204]) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA18548 for < majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:29:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199601042329.RAA18548@smokey.prismnet.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 17:19:08 CST From: rodcole@cole.com (Rod Cole) Reply-To: rodcole@cole.com (Rod Cole) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Mailer: Rodney Cole's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Long X.400 Subscriber Names Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I need to unsubscribe someone from my mailing list with an X.400 address at MCIMail (at least I think it is an X.400 address). The subscriber in question is: I am using PMMail for OS/2, which automatically wraps my lines when I send a message even though I have the wrap feature off. The name I wish to unsubscribe this person, but every time I try, my command gets sent to majordomo with a null list, which causes me to unsubscribe myself. How can I send the command: approve PASSWORD unsubscribe list name without unsubscribing myself. My ISP is using majordomo 1.92 and does not seem receptive to change despite my pleas. Also, is it possible to do a digest with 1.92. Whenever I try to create a digest, I get an error message. I only have the documentation for 1.93, so I am uncertain of the limitations in 1.92. Thanks in advance. Rod Cole rodcole@cole.com From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 4 16:24:32 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA20065 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from yvr.cyberstore.ca (yvr.cyberstore.ca [199.45.66.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id PAA16818 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:51:28 -0800 (PST) From: william@cyberstore.ca Received: from william.cyberstore.ca (yvr-ppp-42.cyberstore.ca [199.45.66.42]) by yvr.cyberstore.ca (8.7.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23588 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:50:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601032350.PAA23588@yvr.cyberstore.ca> X-Sender: william@cyberstore.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 15:40:30 -0800 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Help with setting up Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Im having a bit of a problem setting up my majordomo. Whan I send a message to majordomo@cyberstore.ca I get two messages back. One is the correct expected response. The other is the one I have quoted below. The original message was received at Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:16:35 -0800 (PST) from yvr-ppp-42.cyberstore.ca [199.45.66.42] ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- "|/usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Segmentation Fault 554 "|/usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 139 Reporting-MTA: dns; yvr.cyberstore.ca Received-From-MTA: DNS; yvr-ppp-42.cyberstore.ca Arrival-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:16:35 -0800 (PST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; majordomo@yvr.cyberstore.ca X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper majordomo@yvr.cyberstore.ca Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:17:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: william@cyberstore.ca Received: from william.cyberstore.ca (yvr-ppp-42.cyberstore.ca [199.45.66.42]) by yvr.cyberstore.ca (8.7.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21806 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:16:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601032316.PAA21806@yvr.cyberstore.ca> X-Sender: william@cyberstore.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 15:06:31 -0800 To: majordomo@cyberstore.ca From: william@cyberstore.ca Subject: help help ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any Ideas what unknown mailer error 139 means? I would really appreciate any help. Wil. From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 4 19:52:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA24631 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA24626 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:45:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from (dialup-4a.prismnet.com [205.166.246.204]) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA23180 for < majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:55:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199601050355.VAA23180@smokey.prismnet.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 21:44:17 CST From: rodcole@cole.com (Rod Cole) Reply-To: rodcole@cole.com (Rod Cole) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Mailer: Rodney Cole's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Long X.400 Subscriber Names Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:18:48 -0800 (PST) jimo wrote: >Rod, > Have you tried escaping the newlines in your long address? >That's a standard Unix trick for folding long lines. So you'd >have: That is really the solution for which I was looking. I could not remember how it was done and couldn't find it in my Unix reference book, Running Linux. Travis Hassloch suggested that I telnet to the smtp port and do it manually. That worked just fine, but your suggestion seems a bit easier. It is really difficult to switch to elm or pine after running one of these fancy GUI based mail clients, but, I guess sometimes there is no way around having to use them. Thanks for the suggestion and I will try it last time. >approve PASSWORD unsubscribe list \ > > >Just make sure there aren't any whitespace characters beyond the "\" > >Never tried it with Majordomo, but it might work. From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 4 21:37:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id VAA27053 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from emh.kadena.af.mil (emh.kadena.af.mil [132.15.128.128]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA27039 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:34:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by emh.kadena.af.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19541; Fri, 5 Jan 96 14:33:52 JST From: gossb@emh.kadena.af.mil (SrA Bart Goss) Message-Id: <9601050533.AA19541@emh.kadena.af.mil> Subject: Trouble compiling wrapper.c To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:33:51 +0900 (JST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm having trouble installing Majordomo.... i get the following errors when I run the make command "wrapper.c", line 65: warning: illegal combination of pointer and integer, op != "wrapper.c", line 99: warning: illegal combination of pointer and integer, op = "wrapper.c", line 99: warning: shortening &(constant) may lose significance "wrapper.c", line 100: auto variable groups has size 0 "wrapper.c", line 100: no automatic aggregate initialization "wrapper.c", line 100: illegal lhs of assignment operator "wrapper.c", line 100: warning: illegal combination of pointer and integer, op = "wrapper.c", line 100: illegal lhs of assignment operator Any ideas?? Thanks in advance, Bart From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 4 23:52:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA28407 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from infotech-inet2.eddept.wa.edu.au (infotech-inete.eddept.wa.edu.au [203.14.52.12]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id XAA28402 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:44:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by infotech-inet2.eddept.wa.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA17572 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:44:12 +0800 Received: from infotech-smtp(172.20.2.11) by infotech-inete via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma017570; Fri Jan 5 15:43:46 1996 Received: by infotech-smtp.eddept.wa.edu.au with Microsoft Mail id <30EDBB62@infotech-smtp.eddept.wa.edu.au>; Fri, 05 Jan 96 15:59:30 PST From: "MARSDEN David @ ZINFOSYS" To: majordomo-users Subject: mailer error 139 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 16:00:00 PST Message-ID: <30EDBB62@infotech-smtp.eddept.wa.edu.au> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I also have a problem with mailer error 139. text below. System is Solaris 2.4 with sendmail 8. Cannot find any references to this problem in FAQs etc. Would appreciate any help from out there -------The original message was received at Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:34:57 +0800 from majordom@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/export/u1/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: majordomo) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Segmentation Fault 554 "|/export/u1/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 139 ----- Message header follows ----- Return-Path: majordom Received: (from majordom@localhost) by infotech-inet2.eddept.wa.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16623 for majordomo; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:34:57 +0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:34:57 +0800 From: majordom Message-Id: <199601050534.NAA16623@infotech-inet2.eddept.wa.edu.au> To: majordomo Content-Length: 3 ----- Message body suppressed ----- From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 5 05:37:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA04429 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 05:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from tortola.usgcc.odu.edu (tortola.usgcc.odu.edu [128.82.48.91]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA04410 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 05:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by tortola.usgcc.odu.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6.Beta9) id IAA01163; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:25:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:25:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Timothy M. Hughes" To: SrA Bart Goss cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Trouble compiling wrapper.c In-Reply-To: <9601050533.AA19541@emh.kadena.af.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Check the FAQ. There is a section on problems compiling the wrapper. Bacically you have to comment some lines out and uncomment another set. !miT On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, SrA Bart Goss wrote: > Hello, > > I'm having trouble installing Majordomo.... i get the following errors > when I run the make command > > "wrapper.c", line 65: warning: illegal combination of pointer and integer, op != > "wrapper.c", line 99: warning: illegal combination of pointer and integer, op = > "wrapper.c", line 99: warning: shortening &(constant) may lose significance > "wrapper.c", line 100: auto variable groups has size 0 > "wrapper.c", line 100: no automatic aggregate initialization > "wrapper.c", line 100: illegal lhs of assignment operator > "wrapper.c", line 100: warning: illegal combination of pointer and integer, op = > "wrapper.c", line 100: illegal lhs of assignment operator > > Any ideas?? > > Thanks in advance, > > Bart > From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 5 07:07:35 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA05752 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA05747 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:59:43 -0800 (PST) From: PNetwork2@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA15063 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:59:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:59:06 -0500 Message-ID: <960105095904_107236666@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Majordomo Subscribers Limit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am planning to install Majordomo and I am wondering what the maximum number of subscribers that Majordomo can handle without significantly impact performance. What is your experience? Thanks in advance for sharing. Bill From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 5 07:37:35 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA06554 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 07:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [192.74.137.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA06543 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 07:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA29791; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:35:27 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24613; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:30:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:30:37 -0500 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear) Message-Id: <199601051530.AA24613@world.std.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo Subscribers Limit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 07:32:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from med613.bham.ac.uk by reginet.bham.ac.uk; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Nov95-0438PM) id AA01906; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:35:38 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:35:38 GMT Message-Id: <9601051535.AA01906@reginet.bham.ac.uk> X-Sender: paul@reginet.bham.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Paul Key Subject: can't open database '@' Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk OS D-UNIX 3.2a perl 5.001m unofficial patchlevel 1m Majordomo 1.93 Anyone know how I can set the permissions to solve the following problem? Majordomo is installed under a user called 'list' ----- Transcript of session follows ----- can't open database '@' [/var/adm/sendmail/aliases]: Permission denied Out of memory! sh: 705 Memory fault 554 "|/usr/users/list/majordomo/active/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 139 Paul From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 5 08:22:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA07322 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from gemini.cboe.com (gemini.cboe.com [206.1.10.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA07315 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: maslowsc@gemini.cboe.com Received: from doshp.cboe.com by gemini.cboe.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16858; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:09:16 -0600 Received: from ChuckMas.cboe.com (maslow.cboe.com) by doshp.cboe.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA258768105; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:08:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 96 09:53:30 cst Subject: RE: mailer error 139 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ---------------Included Message--------------- I also have a problem with mailer error 139. text below. System is Solaris 2.4 with sendmail 8. Cannot find any references to this problem in FAQs etc. Would appreciate any help from out there -------The original message was received at Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:34:57 +0800 from majordom@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/export/u1/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: majordomo) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Segmentation Fault 554 "|/export/u1/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 139 ---------------------------------------- All - I had similar problems, but on an HP-UX Version 9.04 system. I looked at the MD mail archives & found that at a minimum, Perl 5.001 patch level "e" was required (I *was* running Perl 5.001 and MD 1.93. I upgraded to Perl 5.002(beta) and MD 1.94a2 & the problems stopped. BTW, the only reason I went to MD 1.94a2 was because I was lazy & didn't want to take the time myself to make changes to the MD scripts. MD 1.94a2 takes care of the '@' problems with Perl 5. Chuck Maslowski ------------------------------------- E-mail: maslowsc@cboe.com Date: 01/05/96 Time: 09:56:30 ------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 5 08:52:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA08384 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from balltown.cma.com (balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id IAA08379 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from skipper (welty@skipper.balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.19]) by balltown.cma.com (8.7.1/CMA02) with SMTP id LAA12311; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:49:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <30ED5694.2781E494@balltown.cma.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 11:49:24 -0500 From: richard welty Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PNetwork2@aol.com CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo Subscribers Limit References: <960105095904_107236666@emout04.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk installed improperly, it can fall apart fairly quickly. done right, it can handle very large lists quite well. of the digests i run, the bmw-digest has over 2000 subscribers, the italian-cars-digest almost 800 subscribers, and the alfa digest nearly 500 subscribers; we don't have any problems with majordomo or sendmail here. the majordomo host is a sparc 2 running SunOS 4.1.3; we are still running 1.92 with perl 4.036, not having gotten around to any upgrades lately. issues: making sure that sendmail isn't swamped -- bulk_mailer is good for this -- for large lists, digest only setups may be indicated -- the users may whine (our aol digest readers are particularly vocal, because of some issues about message sizes on aol), but hey, life sucks that way sometimes. getting owners & permissions right -- it is possible to screw up ownership and permissions of files in subtle ways that leave you with an apparently working list that is killing the majordomo host. cheers, richard -- me: http://www.balltown.cma.com/~welty/ unofficial SCCA page: http://www.emi.com/~rwelty/scca/ N American Road Race track info: http://www.emi.com/~rwelty/tracks/ From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 5 10:07:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA09560 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from dizzy.ipmg.co.uk (dizzy.ipmg.co.uk [194.128.159.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA09555 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:57:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601051757.JAA09555@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: by dizzy.ipmg.co.uk (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA05500; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:00:49 GMT From: Edmund Ward Subject: Probs with archive To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 96 18:00:49 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear All I've managed to get the text file serving part of MD working. Thank you to all that sent their help. I now have a problem getting the archive2.pl to work. I installed it using "make install-archive2" as per the Liu et al book. I made sure all the directories had the correct permissions etc. But all I get when I try to send a mail to the list is the following error message: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Invalid archive directory. Aborting. ABORT Invalid archive directory. Aborting. 554 "|/users/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /users/majordomo/archives/test-list /test-list -m -a"... unknown mailer error 2 <> Anybuddy know what's wrong? The directory and path exists up to /users/majordomo/archives/test-list but I assume that archive uses the final "test-list" to pre-pend to the beginning of the monthly file name. Correct? Edmund Ward edmund@newsdesk.com From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 5 10:52:36 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA10499 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from quadstone.co.uk (quadstone.quadstone.co.uk [194.80.190.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA10494 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittodrie.quadstone.co.uk by quadstone.co.uk id aa07927; 5 Jan 96 18:48 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:47:49 GMT Message-Id: <23332.199601051847@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: mmdf and submit From: Evan Welsh Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've been having trouble getting resend to work with mmdf (the messages are all sent out as if from the list owner). Some kind soul suggested I use execmail or submit. Now correct me if I'm wrong but execmail seems to be strictly a SCO thing so that's out. As for submit, I'm at a bit of a loss how to get it working. If you have a hacked copy of resend (and any other scripts) that use submit I'd be very grateful to receive a copy. Thanks... -- ####################################################################### # Evan Welsh Quadstone Ltd # # http://www.quadstone.co.uk/~evan/ +44 (0)131 220 4491 # ####################################################################### From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 5 11:37:36 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA11598 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from eosc.osshe.edu (EOSC.OSSHE.EDU [140.211.65.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA11593 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by eosc.osshe.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26476; Fri, 5 Jan 96 10:47:14 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:47:10 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Awmiller X-Sender: awmiller@emily To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: More Newbie Probs with archive In-Reply-To: <199601051757.JAA09555@miles.greatcircle.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm installing Majordomo for the first time. Everything seems to be working fine except I can't get the archive or digest functions to work at all. Could someone who is using digest and archive please send me a copy of a working aliases file? I know that there are examples in the documentation, but there are so many DIFFERENT examples, one seems to contradict another. Thanks very much for any help you can give. Lee Awmiller User Support From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 5 12:07:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA12454 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU [129.78.25.38]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA12444 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bucholtz@localhost) by morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA01437 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 06:54:32 +1100 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 06:54:32 +1100 From: Carolyn Bucholtz Message-Id: <199601051954.GAA01437@morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > I'm installing Majordomo for the first time. Everything seems to be > working fine except I can't get the archive or digest functions to work > at all. > > Could someone who is using digest and archive please send me a copy of a > working aliases file? > > I know that there are examples in the documentation, but there are so > many DIFFERENT examples, one seems to contradict another. I am also having this problem. and agree with the last sentence, could I also see some working aliases for the archiving, Carolyn Bucholtz bucholtz@angis.su.oz.au From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 5 12:59:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA00715 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from eosc.osshe.edu (EOSC.OSSHE.EDU [140.211.65.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA00699 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by eosc.osshe.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01591; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:50:11 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:50:11 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Awmiller X-Sender: awmiller@emily To: Carolyn Bucholtz Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Archive Problem In-Reply-To: <199601051954.GAA01437@morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > I'm installing Majordomo for the first time. Everything seems to be > > working fine except I can't get the archive or digest functions to work > > at all. Thanks to Bob, who sent the following response I'm up and archiving. Thanks to all who responded. Lee ... I had a similar problem with archive. It took me a while to realize that I was never referencing the alias. Here are the lines from the aliases file that allows me to archive a list called remtest. remtest: remtest-resend, remtest-archive remtest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/remtest remtest-resend: "| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l remtest -h e-math.ams.org remtest-outgoing" remtest-archive: "| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/remtest -m -a" Originally I had the first line set to: remtest: remtest-resend I hope this helps. Bob Morse System Administrator American Mathematical Society From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 6 12:44:36 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA25105 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [198.108.59.138]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id MAA25100 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (rtucker@localhost) by puck.nether.net (8.7.3/8.6.12) id PAA06996 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:37:16 -0500 From: Ryan Tucker Message-Id: <199601062037.PAA06996@puck.nether.net> Subject: "lists" not working To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:37:14 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk When someone tries to send a "lists" command, they get nothing in return. I've tried checking permissions, paths, etc, and could find no problems. This is a rather annoying problem :-/ Majordomo Version: 1.93 Perl version info: This is perl, version 4.0 $RCSfile: perl.c,v $$Revision: 4.0.1.8 $$Date: 1993/02/05 19:39:30 $ Patch level: 36 Copyright (c) 1989, 1990, 1991, Larry Wall Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 4.0 source kit. Linux version: Linux puck 1.3.51 #2 Fri Dec 29 15:05:47 EST 1995 i386 Any help is infinitely appriciated. ----- Forwarded message from majordomo@puck.nether.net ----- From majordomo-owner@puck.nether.net Sat Jan 6 15:27:23 1996 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:22:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199601062022.PAA06862@puck.nether.net> To: rtucker From: majordomo@puck.nether.net Subject: Majordomo results: foo Reply-To: majordomo@puck.nether.net -- >>>> lists majordomo@majordomo.nether.net serves the following lists: Use the 'info ' command to get more information about a specific list. >>>> >>>> -- END OF COMMANDS ----- End of forwarded message from majordomo@puck.nether.net ----- -- Ryan Tucker (aka HoopyCat) Undernet.Org Listowner rtucker@undernet.org From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 6 12:59:36 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA25293 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id MAA25288 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from usr1.primenet.com (root@usr1.primenet.com [198.68.32.11]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA04195; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:57:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from marty.com (mdsimmo@marty.com [198.68.43.123]) by usr1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26495; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:57:50 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:58:11 -0600 (CST) From: Martin Simmonds To: Ryan Tucker cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: "lists" not working In-Reply-To: <199601062037.PAA06996@puck.nether.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am using Perl 5, I have a feeling your version of Perl is incompatible. Martin... On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Ryan Tucker wrote: > When someone tries to send a "lists" command, they get nothing in return. > I've tried checking permissions, paths, etc, and could find no problems. > This is a rather annoying problem :-/ > > Majordomo Version: 1.93 > Perl version info: > > This is perl, version 4.0 > > $RCSfile: perl.c,v $$Revision: 4.0.1.8 $$Date: 1993/02/05 19:39:30 $ > Patch level: 36 > > Copyright (c) 1989, 1990, 1991, Larry Wall > > Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the > GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 4.0 source kit. > > Linux version: Linux puck 1.3.51 #2 Fri Dec 29 15:05:47 EST 1995 i386 > > Any help is infinitely appriciated. > > ----- Forwarded message from majordomo@puck.nether.net ----- > > >From majordomo-owner@puck.nether.net Sat Jan 6 15:27:23 1996 > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:22:52 -0500 > Message-Id: <199601062022.PAA06862@puck.nether.net> > To: rtucker > From: majordomo@puck.nether.net > Subject: Majordomo results: foo > Reply-To: majordomo@puck.nether.net > > -- > > >>>> lists > majordomo@majordomo.nether.net serves the following lists: > > > Use the 'info ' command to get more information > about a specific list. > >>>> > >>>> -- > END OF COMMANDS > > ----- End of forwarded message from majordomo@puck.nether.net ----- > > -- > Ryan Tucker (aka HoopyCat) > Undernet.Org Listowner > rtucker@undernet.org > From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 6 15:04:46 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA27427 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from SYSWRK.UCIS.Dal.Ca (syswrk.UCIS.Dal.Ca [129.173.2.108]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA27422 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from AC.Dal.Ca by SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.3-13 #6307) id <01HZP7DEZLGW004Q4R@SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA>; Sat, 06 Jan 1996 18:30:50 -0400 Received: from biome.bio.dfo.ca ("port 1431"@biome.BIO.dfo.ca) by AC.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.3-13 #6307) id <01HZP7CWC70W00QN40@AC.DAL.CA>; Sat, 06 Jan 1996 18:30:26 -0400 Received: by biome.bio.dfo.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @ac.dal.ca:Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM id AA07944; Sat, 6 Jan 96 18:28:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 18:28:33 -0400 (AST) From: bill@biome.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Subject: Question about AOL (with apologies) To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Message-id: <9601062228.AA07944@biome.bio.dfo.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk With due apologies for mentioning the dirty three-letter word on the majordomo-users list, I am looking for somewhere to contact for info about AOL. Given the number of times that Majordomo administrators have run into problems with AOL, I thought that someone might have an address that I can contact. My specific interest is that in a couple of weeks I will be visiting my mother and setting up her Mac with an Internet provider, probably AOL, so that she can join the family Email network. I want to find out details like whether AOL uses POP3 for mail and so on. Thanks in advance, and apologies again for the irrelevancy to the basic role of this list. -- Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Section, Habitat Science Division Bedford Institute of Oceanography, P. O. Box 1006 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2 HED runs a WWW server at URL=http://hed.bio.dfo.ca From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 6 15:04:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA27826 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from fiber.net (optical.fiber.net [204.250.13.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA06938 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by fiber.net (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA14562; Fri, 5 Jan 96 16:42:12 -0700 Message-Id: <9601052342.AA14562@fiber.net> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Carl Payne Date: Fri, 5 Jan 96 16:42:06 -0700 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: penalty-box / refuser Reply-To: cpayne@fiber.net Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I would think this would be easy to do... Is there a way to have majordomo check a second file for the name of the person trying to subscribe, and on finding it send out a "You've been bad and can't resubscribe for x time" message instead of resubscribing them to the list they were kicked off? Seems to me, it would be a simple call inside majordomo: I'm going to subscribe this person, but let me check if they're already subscribed... ...nope, not there, but let me check the penalty box just in case... ...yep, here they are. Now I'll hand the job over to canned_reply or something... Does someone have an existing patch? Thanks Carl From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 6 15:04:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA27749 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from midway.evtech.com (midway.evtech.com [204.96.163.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA23870 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from tahiti.evtech.com (tahiti.evtech.com [192.35.179.19]) by midway.evtech.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA01076; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:07:31 -0600 Received: from borneo (borneo.evtech.com [192.35.179.29]) by tahiti.evtech.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA09926; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:07:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199601050207.UAA09926@tahiti.evtech.com> To: rodcole@cole.com (Rod Cole) cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Long X.400 Subscriber Names In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Jan 1996 17:19:08 CST." <199601042329.RAA18548@smokey.prismnet.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 20:07:29 -0600 From: Travis Hassloch x231 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In message <199601042329.RAA18548@smokey.prismnet.com> you write: > I need to unsubscribe someone from my mailing list with an X.400 address > at MCIMail (at least I think it is an X.400 address). The subscriber in quest >ion > is: > > This is not X.400, as far as I know. X.400 looks like /foo/bar/baz > I am using PMMail for OS/2, which automatically wraps my lines when I > send a message even though I have the wrap feature off. > How can I send the command > without unsubscribing myself. Use a real mailer that doesn't wrap. ;) Or telnet to the smtp port and type your message directly, circumventing the mailer problem completely. Invoke whatever magic you need to access the smtp port on the host, and then type: mail from: your_address rcpt to: majordomo@wherever data approve PASSWORD unsubscribe list name . [ed: this is a single period, on a line by itself] quit This is not a majordomo issue, it's your mailer's problem. At least it wasn't another sendmail problem :) HHOS Unless you run into other length limitations, this should fix it. PS: I notice nobody is answering messages on the list, is this taboo? From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 6 17:29:36 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA00553 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (netcom3.netcom.com [192.100.81.103]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA00548 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA05708; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:59:29 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:59:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Blake X-Sender: grafolog@netcom3 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Making digests of a list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Does anybody know of an easy way to make a digest version of a mailing list -- when MajorDomo 1.63 is the being used? << I know MajorDomo 1.93 can make digests. Netcom, in its incredible wisdom, doesn't think any upgrades are necessary. >> xan jonathon grafolog@netcom.com From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 7 16:11:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA18672 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:50:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.cedarnet.org (www.cedarnet.org [206.29.224.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA18667 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ryhpc by www.cedarnet.org via SMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id RAA05583; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 17:50:15 -0600 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 17:50:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199601072350.RAA05583@www.cedarnet.org> X-Sender: rh10023@www.cedarnet.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Ronald Hahm Subject: How do you put footers in messages Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have seen some Majordomo based listservers that when a list member sends a message to the list the message that propagates out has a footer with specific information about that particular mailing list. How is this done. Out of all the Majordomo related documents that I have this is not discussed. I probably have missed it in my reading. Can someone out there please shed any light?? --- Ronald Hahm E-Mail Address: rh10023@cedarnet.org From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 7 16:14:38 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA18860 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.cedarnet.org (www.cedarnet.org [206.29.224.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA18854 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ryhpc by www.cedarnet.org via SMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id SAA06722; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:13:11 -0600 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:13:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199601080013.SAA06722@www.cedarnet.org> X-Sender: rh10023@www.cedarnet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Ronald Hahm Subject: Another beginner question - archive problems Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Anyone out there care to give me a step by step process for setting up an archive for a list? Everytime someone sends a message on the list that I have setup the archive part fails to work. I am sure that I have missed something but I cannot seem to figure it out. Thanks in advance, --- Ronald Hahm E-Mail Address: rh10023@cedarnet.org From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 7 17:29:38 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA20078 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 17:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from brain.supernet.ab.ca ([204.209.3.28]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA20069 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 17:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by brain.supernet.ab.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA22932; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:20:00 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:19:59 -0700 (MST) From: Richard Murray To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199601080013.SAA06722@www.cedarnet.org> Message-ID: X-HTTP: http://www.supernet.ab.ca/cgi-bin/freestuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I know it's possible, but haven't had a chance to hack thru the scripts yet. Anyone care to point me in the direction of where a person can avoid sending a person's post back to their mailbox? Had a couple heavy posters complaining that they keep getting everything back at them. Using 1.92 I do believe. ----- Richard Murray alt.consumers.free-stuff - the next generation http://www.supernet.ab.ca/cgi-bin/freestuff So much to do, so litt(hang on a sec...) From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 7 20:59:38 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA23825 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 20:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from plts.org (plts.superlink.net [204.97.220.107]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id UAA23819 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 20:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tal@localhost) by plts.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA21077 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:56:24 -0500 (EST) From: T Limoncelli Message-Id: <199601080456.XAA21077@plts.org> Subject: Crashing the shell? To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sun, 7 Jan 96 23:56:23 EST Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm in the process of upgrading from 1.62 to 1.93 and I'm having the strangest error. System: SunOS 4.1.4 with /bin/mail a hardlink to procmail v2.81 If I do something like: echo help | Mail -v majordomo@plts.org I get the help message just as I expect. However, I also coredump /bin/sh and get a bounce! majordomo... aliased to majordom majordom... aliased to "|/var/spool/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" "|/var/spool/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... Connecting to prog... sh: 20770 Illegal instruction "|/var/spool/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 132 majordomo-request... aliased to tal tal... Connecting to local... tal... Sent Has anyone seen anything like this before? I checked the FAQ and READMEs, etc. Thanks in advance, --tal -- Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.org -- http://mars.superlink.net/user/tal <*> "PGP-Signed email serves no purpose other than to stroke the sender's ego. Do you flash your license and passport to identify yourself when you approach friends for casual conversation?" From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 01:14:39 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA27632 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sigma.itu.ch (sigma.itu.ch [156.106.128.30]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id AAA27528 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from MR.ITU.CH by ITU.CH (PMDF V4.3-7 #4298) id <01HZRH0J67LS99DKKH@ITU.CH>; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:28:29 CET Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:25:50 CET MR-Received: by mta TIES.MUAS; Relayed; Mon, 08 Jan 1996 08:25:50 +0100 MR-Received: by mta TAU; Relayed; Mon, 08 Jan 1996 08:25:52 +0100 Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 08:25:50 +0100 (CET) From: Jarle Martinsen +41 22 730 5949 Subject: Problem with MODERATED list. To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Message-id: <6750250908011996/A49749/TAU/11A142593100*@MHS> X-Envelope-to: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Autoforwarded: false MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: 11A142593100 X400-MTS-identifier: [;6750250908011996/A49749/TAU] Hop-count: 1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm running several mailing lists using Majordomo v1.93 on a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 - and everything works OK....except now I'm in the process of setting up a moderated mailing list. I believe the mailing list is set up correctly in terms of configuration. It all works OK, except that the approved message gets 2 lines added to it at the FIRST blank line (the 2 lines are Sender and Reply-To attributes of the original message). I don't mind the 2 lines itself, just the fact that they appear sort of in the middle of the message - at the first appearance of a blank line. I.e. I send the following message: to: mylist@itu.ch Subj: this is a test message ---------- msg body ---------- Approved: password This is the text of my test message -------- end body ---------- When the message its exploded to all subscribers of this list, it looks like; Frrom:: mylist-owner@itu.ch Subj: this is a test message ---------- msg body ---------- This is the text of my Sender: mylist@itu.ch Reply-To: Jarle Martinsen test message -------- end body ---------- Note the Sender: and Reply-To at the first blank line in the original message. Am I doing something wrong...? Can anyone shed any light on this one. Thanks. Regards, /jarle Jarle Martinsen International Telecommunication Union (ITU) Place des Nations CH-1211 Geneva 20 Switzerland Internet: martinsen@itu.ch X.400: S=martinsen; P=itu; A=arcom; C=ch Voice: +41 22 730 5949 Fax: +41 22 730 5337 From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 02:44:39 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id CAA01555 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mserv1.dl.ac.uk (mserv1.dl.ac.uk [148.79.160.65]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id CAA01550 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from xserv1.dl_sun_server by mserv1.dl.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA27142 (8.6.12/5.3[ref postmaster@dl.ac.uk] for dl.ac.uk from J.F.L.Hopkinson@dl.ac.uk); Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:41:15 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:41:15 GMT Message-Id: <199601081041.KAA27142@mserv1.dl.ac.uk> Received: by xserv1.dl_sun_server (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25817; Mon, 8 Jan 96 10:41:10 GMT From: "J. Hopkinson" To: awmiller@eosc.osshe.edu Cc: bucholtz@angis.su.OZ.AU, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: (message from Lee Awmiller on Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:50:11 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: Archive Problem Reply-To: J.F.L.Hopkinson@dl.ac.uk Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You would do much better to attach the -archive alias to the the -outgoing alias -- if a message is refused or bounced for whatever reason, it should not be added to the archive ! You could also remove the redundant -resend alias. Thus the example given would become: remtest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/remtest, remtest-archive remtest: "| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l remtest -h e-math.ams.org remtest-outgoing" remtest-archive: "| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/remtest -m -a" Regards --Jerry > > I'm installing Majordomo for the first time. Everything seems to be > > working fine except I can't get the archive or digest functions to work > > at all. Thanks to Bob, who sent the following response I'm up and archiving. Thanks to all who responded. Lee ... I had a similar problem with archive. It took me a while to realize that I was never referencing the alias. Here are the lines from the aliases file that allows me to archive a list called remtest. remtest: remtest-resend, remtest-archive remtest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/remtest remtest-resend: "| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l remtest -h e-math.ams.org remtest-outgoing" remtest-archive: "| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/remtest -m -a" Originally I had the first line set to: remtest: remtest-resend I hope this helps. Bob Morse System Administrator American Mathematical Society -- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- Jerry Hopkinson e-mail: j.hopkinson@dl.ac.uk Daresbury Laboratory Voice: (+44) 1925 603355 Warrington WA4 4AD Fax: (+44) 1925 603100 UK [May 95] --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 05:29:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA03792 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 05:02:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from vishnu.alias.net (vishnu.alias.net [199.3.234.18]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA03787 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 05:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (perry@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vishnu.alias.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA24956 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 07:01:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199601081301.HAA24956@vishnu.alias.net> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: What is this?? Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 07:01:26 -0600 From: John Perry Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- What does this message mean? I've never gotten it before. MAJORDOMO ABORT HOSTILE ADDRESS - update John Perry - KG5RG - perry@vishnu.alias.net - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! Packet Radio - KG5RG@WA4IMZ.#SETX.TX.USA.NA WWW - http://www.alias.net PGP 2.62 key for perry@vishnu.alias.net is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMPEVnqghiWHnUu4JAQGJvgf+MRvvBc2nr8kd9aV1fwV3qGGqXqePezPd goHLMriYK4bI8ZTdk7gVTdBAerTjthkyqYQD//rku7NXl7IutN4arq2lycXzVBGw KV+Xjvhm243/BXqVqC1nZD8Ae8U6NkZQT6Xn4wvpJm/e+joa8v7fTIFeiGT+/DcM AM5d+DHxNHflT5hVnOAT8ebL3/YxU3DLYPGAz/ukzOjlvaD4dyp1pLatov6/v6iN zxj451O+OuoZiWCjtLaHhFyTerVLjjp+3ugRAD1+2ROHTVeoN+yZnpwhPFFd+Y2e 1RKj3yUYR+c1IEIuLBnGB1TkVaVCEA9uWFpqpbQwfKZXjFK0PZjM6g== =EXXl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 05:59:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA05080 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 05:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from applicom.co.il (gateway_le1.applicom.co.il [192.115.87.13]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA05075 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 05:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from copper (copper.applicom.co.il) by applicom.co.il with SMTP id AA18667 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:47:19 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:47:23 +0200 (IST) From: Jean-Henry Berevoescu X-Sender: bjh@copper To: John Perry Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: What is this?? In-Reply-To: <199601081301.HAA24956@vishnu.alias.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, John Perry wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > What does this message mean? I've never gotten it before. > > MAJORDOMO ABORT > > HOSTILE ADDRESS - update > > John Perry - KG5RG - perry@vishnu.alias.net - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! > Packet Radio - KG5RG@WA4IMZ.#SETX.TX.USA.NA > WWW - http://www.alias.net > PGP 2.62 key for perry@vishnu.alias.net is on the keyservers. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > ........................................... > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > It's a PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) signature. You will have to create your own decription key in order to read the message. Jean --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Henry Berevoescu - 39 Ha'Galim Blv. [Beit Mercazim 2001] Applicom Systems, Ltd., Hertzlia 46725 Israel p-mail: Dov Hoz 6/3 Tel-Aviv 63564 Israel e-mail: Jean-Henry.Berevoescu@applicom.co.il WWW : http://www.applicom.co.il/~bjh/ phone [home] : +972-3-524-6927 phone [office] : +972-9-598-681 fax [office] : +972-9-598-990 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 06:02:01 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA05164 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 05:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from vishnu.alias.net (vishnu.alias.net [199.3.234.18]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA05159 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 05:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (perry@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vishnu.alias.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA25521; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 07:53:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199601081353.HAA25521@vishnu.alias.net> To: Jean-Henry Berevoescu cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: What is this?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Jan 1996 15:47:23 +0200." Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 07:53:02 -0600 From: John Perry Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "Jean-Henry" == Jean-Henry Berevoescu writes: Jean-Henry> On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, John Perry wrote: >> What does this message mean? I've never gotten it before. >> >> MAJORDOMO ABORT >> >> HOSTILE ADDRESS - update Jean-Henry> It's a PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) signature. You will Jean-Henry> have to create your own decription key in order to Jean-Henry> read the message. No. no no.. That's MY PGP sig. As a matter of fact, I run the keyserver at jpunix.com. What I meant was the HOSTILE ADDRESS - update message. John Perry - KG5RG - perry@vishnu.alias.net - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! Packet Radio - KG5RG@WA4IMZ.#SETX.TX.USA.NA WWW - http://www.alias.net PGP 2.62 key for perry@vishnu.alias.net is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMPEht6ghiWHnUu4JAQEMUAf+MyFZISpnoHg8S/G1OTHwbHJgcIS5Lz9f NokH7xsczBw1EmFUE2/IuvxR8AombETOrHSfoyOdBMYTkEN1kfP8wg1OyXyJV08t qQpVMOsMAN7FC7JG8wyQLFaSvaQ8zyvRrxBrOo0AKxX0x0p9Qbm/O6X8j1tFUy7I /ljcZUPjdtAqn1VsN0R+nBeR4zCmRn3atcaZS9xf6q8131vR/6vwp0ACvkMqC53c 9deQjvDb0k+VEZ3Pryr7s3PP17+LAP4+rpQmdoIOlcRsaJ4iMRkQShE4DJG6dwZE KbOi00P72eDC91Qsa1a3meo0NQ9+BsHsn0D4ea4KbTn42qa2rXZeBA== =YG6+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 06:14:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA05564 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from unilab.dfci.harvard.edu (unilab.dfci.harvard.edu [155.52.46.57]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id GAA05552 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by unilab.dfci.harvard.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) id JAA27757; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:13:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:13:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601081413.JAA27757@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> From: Richard Pieri To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: Richard Murray's message of Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:19:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Mail to originator (none) References: <199601080013.SAA06722@www.cedarnet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "RM" == Richard Murray writes: RM> Anyone care to point me in the direction of where a person can avoid RM> sending a person's post back to their mailbox? Do you mean "how do I prevent senders from seeing their own messages?" If so, Majordomo does not have that built into it. Mail to a list goes to everyone subscribed to the list, including the originator. Making what you want happen would require modifying Majordomo/resend to pass the sender to another filter program (like bulk_mailer) which in turn strips out the sender from the list of recipients before passing that list on to sendmail. And then you'd be annoyed by all the people wondering if their posts are getting through or not because they don't see them :). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMPEma56VRH7BJMxHAQH3XwP+PS+8GaXc1NWOvrZ5ay9Il353qGCkj5SQ PeoL2EZ7e3gjMiyEmj9HfqXREAPaU9EWTXjN+KerkNOpL/QOS61veqmn3s7NwcP/ sdBmrWTrrS+P31tiwuNUojwKCpJbr3vgDmAeFBlEXCSUd+rr8pWcwMvb+gwN6QlD mh8hrRExd6o= =jY0t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ If you're not receiving enough attention, \ try knocking over some very expensive http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/~ratinox \ antique lamps. -A cat's guide to life From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 06:44:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA05757 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from unilab.dfci.harvard.edu (unilab.dfci.harvard.edu [155.52.46.57]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id GAA05752 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by unilab.dfci.harvard.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) id JAA27880; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:19:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:19:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601081419.JAA27880@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> From: Richard Pieri To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: John Perry's message of Mon, 08 Jan 1996 07:53:02 -0600 Subject: Re: What is this?? References: <199601081353.HAA25521@vishnu.alias.net> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "JP" == John Perry writes: JP> No. no no.. That's MY PGP sig. As a matter of fact, I run the JP> keyserver at jpunix.com. What I meant was the HOSTILE ADDRESS - JP> update message. When asking for information about an error it is common practice to include things like the message or headers that generated the error. In this case it looked to Jean-Henry that your signature caused the error, thus that particular diagnosis. In other words, "we don't know" because we don't know what caused the error in the first place. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMPEn3Z6VRH7BJMxHAQFlxgQAjvJVoQEwJmTePiBVGdbaaZfWPuReIbHp 3gJui7Tt39Bx+k4IWuu7+BFrhvGIOiMwDqD3s7WUdVYIpOqoADCv99WpCGOlh1ad PGjxRin3ops28HZ5quSvr454jr3rMw35JafVNuwiW7AIYxpgDYHZKPs0NNdQPJU9 WfueiKPz03w= =CHSy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ When you go out in the world, remember: \ being placed on a pedestal is a right, http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/~ratinox \ not a priviledge! -A cat's guide to life From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 07:59:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA08269 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 07:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dizzy.ipmg.co.uk (dizzy.ipmg.co.uk [194.128.159.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA08264 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 07:57:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601081557.HAA08264@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: by dizzy.ipmg.co.uk (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA13035; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:00:24 GMT From: Edmund Ward Subject: Logsummary To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 16:00:24 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear All Thank you to all who replied to my archive problem. I am now trying to get something useful out of the Log file. The program "logsummary.pl" seems to give the following rather bland information: Global commands: help 13 lists 1 which 2 List subscr unsub index get info who test-list Top requestors (get command): 6 Edmund Ward The information I am really after is who has "get"ed which files for every file that was "get"ed. Is there an easy way to alter the program or does someone have another program that might provide this type of info? Or will I have to write my own? Bear in mind that I am a newbie to Perl. Cheers Edmund Ward edmund@newsdesk.com From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 08:44:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA09066 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:31:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from cfg.cfg.com (cfg.cfg.com [192.84.10.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA09061 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from p1.cfg.com (p1.cfg.com [192.84.10.11]) by cfg.cfg.com (8.6.11/CFG-950329) with SMTP id IAA05717; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:29:44 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960108162946.36374c84@mail.cfg.com> X-Sender: shc@mail.cfg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 08:29:46 -0800 To: John Perry From: Steve Caine Subject: Re: What is this?? Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 07:01 01/08/96 -0600, John Perry wrote: >What does this message mean? I've never gotten it before. > >MAJORDOMO ABORT > >HOSTILE ADDRESS - update A "hostile address" is one that contains "funny" characters (/ | maybe others) that might be construed as someone trying to use majordomo to run a program or create a file that it shouldn't. Try grepping the majordomo README file for "hostile". If you have the message that caused this, take a look at the headers & see if you see such an address. Steve. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 09:14:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA09332 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id IAA09327 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from quadstone.co.uk by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzxqp14967; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pittodrie.quadstone.co.uk by quadstone.co.uk id aa27673; 8 Jan 96 16:37 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:37:37 GMT Message-Id: <27742.199601081637@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: mmdf and submit In-Reply-To: <23332.199601051847@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> References: <23332.199601051847@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> From: Evan Welsh Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Forgive me for answering my own question but in case anyone else is interested... Evan Welsh writes: R.E.Welsh> I've been having trouble getting resend to work with mmdf (the R.E.Welsh> messages are all sent out as if from the list owner). Some kind R.E.Welsh> soul suggested I use execmail or submit. Basically the problem lies with the behaviour of the -f flag on the version of sendmail that comes with mmdf, so the solution I eventually came up with was to install the standard version of sendmail in the majordomo directory and use that instead. Simple really! -- ####################################################################### # Evan Welsh Quadstone Ltd # # http://www.quadstone.co.uk/~evan/ +44 (0)131 220 4491 # ####################################################################### From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 09:44:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA10822 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA10814 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from helios.dmu.ac.uk (phh@helios.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.1]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA26318; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:37:34 GMT Received: (from phh@localhost) by helios.dmu.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA25396; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:33:44 GMT From: Paul Hodgkinson Message-Id: <199601081733.RAA25396@helios.dmu.ac.uk> Subject: Duplicate Mail $SENDER To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:33:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We have a list with about 500 addresses running unmoderated on a SUN here. We have had a problem with duplication of mail where the $SENDER variable seems to be a factor. When this occurs the number of times the Origional Sender Field and the Senders Address appended to the text field, again by the $SENDER variable, is incremented by one for each duplication. Therefore after 10 duplications the field and appended address appear 10 times and subscribers receive many copies of the same posting with various numbers of lines of Origional Sender etc. Once this occurred the next posting was also subject to duplication. We then removed all the addresses except for two test addresses, following test messages seem OK. We are reluctant to restore the full list, we don't know what has triggered this, it has severely overloaded our systems and stretched the tolerance of some subscribers. We would appreciate any help or advice that would shed some light on this. thanks Paul _______________________________________________________________ Paul Hodgkinson F.I.Sc.T. http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~phh Service Co-ordinator Internet: phh@dmu.ac.uk Pharmacy Mail Exchange http://www.dmu.ac.uk/ln/pme Dept of Pharmaceutical Sciences De Montfort University The Gateway Leicester LE1 9BH Phone: +44 116 2577285 UK FAX: +44 116 2577287 _______________________________________________________________ Including CyberRx Search Engine for Pharmacy Related Resources http://www.dmu.ac.uk/ln/CyberRx _______________________________________________________________ From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 10:29:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA11356 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:02:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from balltown.cma.com (balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id KAA11344 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from skipper (welty@skipper.balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.19]) by balltown.cma.com (8.7.1/CMA02) with SMTP id MAA29150; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:59:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <30F15B6F.446B9B3D@balltown.cma.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 12:59:11 -0500 From: richard welty Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cpayne@fiber.net CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: penalty-box / refuser References: <9601052342.AA14562@fiber.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk actually, i'v decided to implement "muzzle_user" instead, as a kind of inverted "restrict_post". before sending an article out, it will run the identical check to restrict_post, except with a ! in the expression. cheers, richard -- me: http://www.balltown.cma.com/~welty/ unofficial SCCA page: http://www.emi.com/~rwelty/scca/ N American Road Race track info: http://www.emi.com/~rwelty/tracks/ From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 13:23:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA16123 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA11658 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id LAA28465 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 8 Jan 1996 11:13:44 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: strange problem To: "majordomo-users" Cc: aspivakovsky@iie.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>strange problem Ari, I had this happen on one of my lists too. The fix was to delete the config file for the list, then send a "newconfig" command to majordomo to pull in the default again. If you're not the majordomo-owner at your site, you'll have to get that person to do it for you. But get it deleted - don't just send another newconfig. On the other hand, you may want to check the maxlength parameter in your list's config file - it may have been set to some very low value. The default is 40,000 characters - enough for about 52 "pages". As far as the numerous apparently-to's, that comes with having the list moderated, since the original To:'s are obscured. From: aspivakovsky@iie.org A moderated list on my MD server is having a peculiar problem. Sometimes messages get cut off in the middle, and some of the recipients get only the top or bottom half. Others receive this in the body of the message: > Apparently-To: goe1@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: aif2@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: lh36@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: dvk2@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: lk32@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: mak20@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: ml73@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: abm9@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu > Apparently-To: ajm19@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu Other lists set up exactly the same way don't have any problems. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 15:00:46 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA18976 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:53:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA18965; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from campus.rzs.itesm.mx by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzxrn21902; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by campus.rzs.itesm.mx (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23120; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:44:39 -0600 From: "Ing. Arturo Castro" Message-Id: <9601081644.ZM10830@campus.rzs.itesm.mx> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:44:39 -0600 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Cc: majordomo-owner@greatcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello: I'm starting to use Majordomo in my system, and i have a problem whith the setup. I've install Majordomo and i can use it whit a test list, but only from my system. When i intend to send a message to the list from other system it never arrives and i don't what happen. If somebody can help me, please. I will appreciate that. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ing. Arturo Castro acastro@campus.rzs.itesm.mx Sistemas Tel.- +52 (5) 326-59-81 & 87 Direccion de Innovacion Tecnologica Fax.- +52 (5) 326-59-97 ITESM - Rectoria Zona Sur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 16:59:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA20961 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cfa.harvard.edu (cfa.harvard.edu [128.103.40.170]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA20956 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:43:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from draco.harvard.edu by cfa.harvard.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Sep95-1159PM) id AA00671; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:42:34 -0500 Received: by draco.harvard.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13587; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:43:09 -0500 From: pobrien@draco.harvard.edu (Patrick O'Brien) Message-Id: <9601090043.AA13587@draco.harvard.edu> Subject: Two questions... To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:43:08 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, I'm running Majordomo 1.93 with Perl 5.000m on a DEC Alpha running Digital Unix 3.2C. My questions are to do with the lists command. 1. A lists command shows all lists in the list directory that have no filename extension. listname shows up, but listname.list doesn't. Is there a way of specifying valid extensions, or are extensions not an option? 2. The second question regards noadvertise. For the regexp for noadvertise, I've put /.*/ which I thought should match anything, and make the list unavaliable to any lists command. But the list is still listed in the lists command. Any advice is welcome. Regards, Patrick O'Brien From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 17:15:51 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA21426 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from cfa.harvard.edu (cfa.harvard.edu [128.103.40.170]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA21421 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from draco.harvard.edu by cfa.harvard.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Sep95-1159PM) id AA00807; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:04:53 -0500 Received: by draco.harvard.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13627; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:05:29 -0500 From: pobrien@draco.harvard.edu (Patrick O'Brien) Message-Id: <9601090105.AA13627@draco.harvard.edu> Subject: How much system resource does Majordomo use? To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:05:28 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, I've noticed that mail to majordomo that calls resend gives a small delay of about a second or slightly less. Under heavy load, what are the ramifications? If someone sends to a list of 1,000, our hub will swap heavily for three to five minutes. Any ideas on what to expect when we put the list under majordomo? Regards, Patrick O'Brien From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 8 19:44:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA23976 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:42:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ASARian.org (ASARian.org [152.52.36.201]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA23968 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:42:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fuzzy@localhost) by ASARian.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA08694; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:41:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:40:59 -0500 (EST) From: Fuzzy To: DEM63@aol.com cc: Majordomo-users List Subject: Re: S: The SANCTUARY FAQ In-Reply-To: <960108213952_35808526@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Organization: *fuzzies* and *e-hugs* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Jan 1996 DEM63@aol.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:41:02 -0500 > From: DEM63@aol.com > To: sanctuary@ASARian.org > Subject: Re: S: The SANCTUARY FAQ > > hi. i am new to sanctuary. while you are busy being bored and working on the > faq, do you think you can tell me where to go to get more info on how mailing > lists work? > yours - DEM basically there are 2 general types of mailing lists... 1 type is just a list of addresses that one keeps in ones MUA (mail user agent) or on the systems list of aliases. that list can be a file redirection such as listname: :include:/etc/lists/listname and that leads us to the other form, which is series of programs / scripts / config.files that allow the list owner(s) to admin a list remotely by email. one of these, (majordomo), is what is used to maintain the sanctuary mailing list. you can ask majordomo to send you its help file by email by sending an email to: to: majordomo@asarian.org with a body of: help that will return the list of user level commands for majordomo. if your looking for details on majordomo there is a mailing for majordomo users called, strangely enough, majordomo-users... its email address is majordomo-users@greatcircle.com for postings, and you can email the list owner at majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com. Your Friend, _____ __ __ ____ ____ __ __ / ___// // //__ )/__ )\ \/ / / __/ / // / / /__ / /__\ / (_/ (____/ <____/<____//_/ SysAdmin, ASARian.org Email: fuzzy@asarian.org (non-anon) an72289@anon.penet.fi (true anon) anon-2986@anon.twwells.com (true anon) Finger fuzzy@ASARian.org for our PGP 2.6.2 public key. Send email to embot@asarian.org with a subject of list to get a list of the files available via embot send requests, or help for the system help file. From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 9 09:30:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA08757 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from taurus.fwl.org ([198.49.171.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id JAA08752 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from brian.fwl.org ([198.49.171.101]) by taurus.fwl.org (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA26226 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:22:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:22:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601091722.JAA26226@taurus.fwl.org> From: Brian Rankin To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Can approve work this way? X-Mailer: ProntoIP [version 2.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I want to setup some moderated lists for listowners who do not have accounts on my Unix box. What I'd like to see happen is a similar process as happens when the subscribe_policy is closed: - mail for the list is sent to the list owner with a request to approve - the list-owner replys with the approve password (which is checked against the approve_passwd field in the config file for the list) - the email is posted to the list if the password matches How can I make this happen? According to the O-Reilly book (seciotn 25.5.3, moderating lists w/o approve) this could happen if an Approve: header could be inserted into the message; but my users can't to this with their email package. Sincerely, Brian Rankin From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 9 09:44:56 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA08965 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA08783 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id IAA14677; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:40:19 -0800 From: rem@MATH.AMS.ORG Received: from axp14.ams.org(130.44.1.14) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma014667; Tue Jan 9 08:40:01 1996 Received: from epsilon.ams.org by AXP14.AMS.ORG (PMDF V4.3-10 #7286) id <01HZSZWR0EFK000FY3@AXP14.AMS.ORG>; Tue, 09 Jan 1996 11:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by epsilon.ams.org; (5.65/1.1.8.2/12Oct95-1155AM) id AA01761; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:38:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 11:38:38 -0500 Subject: migrating from listserv... To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <9601091638.AA01761@epsilon.ams.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Mts: smtp Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello everyone. I am trying to migrate from listserv to majordomo. It seems to be going fairly well, but there is a feature in listserv that I cannot duplicate with majordomo. With listserv there is a .msgno file that keeps track of the message and increments when the next messages comes in. It also puts this number in the subject which makes it easier to reference (at least for me it does). I have read through most of the doc on majordomo, but I cannot find that feature. Does anybody know how to set this up? Thanks for your help. Bob Morse System Administrator American Mathematical Society From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 9 09:55:29 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA09191 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA08878 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:25:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id HAA14124; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 07:36:05 -0800 Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca(129.128.5.214) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma014122; Tue Jan 9 07:35:39 1996 Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id IAA04463 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:36:04 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 9 Jan 1996 08:36:43 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: Two questions... To: "majordomo-users" Cc: "Patrick O'Brien" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>Two questions... From: Patrick O'Brien 1. A lists command shows all lists in the list directory that have no filename extension. listname shows up, but listname.list doesn't. Is there a way of specifying valid extensions, or are extensions not an option? *** Listnames should be one word only. They can have hyphens, but *** periods do indicate filename extensions, such as listname.config. I *** don't think you want everybody to see all your list files. 2. The second question regards noadvertise. For the regexp for noadvertise, I've put /.*/ which I thought should match anything, and make the list unavaliable to any lists command. But the list is still listed in the lists command. *** You are likely subscribed to the list that appears as a result of your *** lists command. From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 9 11:45:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA12776 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA12771 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id LAA16221; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:25:46 -0800 Received: from unknown(200.13.64.10) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma016219; Tue Jan 9 11:25:40 1996 Received: from orion30.spin.com.mx (orion30.spin.com.mx [200.12.165.86]) by www.albec.com.mx (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA07535 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:27:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199601091927.NAA07535@www.albec.com.mx> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Ochoa Baceliz" Organization: ALBEC Divisi<=n Telecomunicaciones To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:25:41 -0600 Subject: $homedir at installation time? Reply-to: david@albec.com.mx X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, After having read the Readme and FAQ files without finding a clear answer to my problem, I have something to ask you: Should $homedir be a different directory to the directory created when I extracted majordomo.tar ? When I get to the point of installing (make install), I get some errors, including trying to copy files that already exist... i.e.: ************************************************* /usr/majordomo-1.93{504} make install (test ! -f majordomo.cf && echo "using sample.cf" && \ cp sample.cf /usr/majordomo-1.93/majordomo.cf; exit 0) (test -f majordomo.cf && echo "using majordomo.cf" && \ cp majordomo.cf /usr/majordomo-1.93/majordomo.cf; exit 0) using majordomo.cf cp: `majordomo.cf' and `/usr/majordomo-1.93/majordomo.cf' are the same file cp contrib/archive2.pl /usr/majordomo-1.93/Tools cp approve bounce medit /usr/majordomo-1.93/bin ... cp: `bounce-remind' and `/usr/majordomo-1.93/bounce-remind' are the same file cp: `config_parse.pl' and `/usr/majordomo-1.93/config_parse.pl' are the same file cp: `majordomo' and `/usr/majordomo-1.93/majordomo' are the same file cp: `majordomo.pl' and `/usr/majordomo-1.93/majordomo.pl' are the same file ... cp: /usr/majordomo-1.93/digest: cannot overwrite directory with non-directory cp: `test' and `/usr/majordomo-1.93/test' are the same file make: *** [install-scripts] Error 1 ******************************************************** The same thing happens with the wrapper: ************************************************* /usr/majordomo-1.93{505} make install-wrapper cp wrapper /usr/majordomo-1.93/wrapper cp: `wrapper' and `/usr/majordomo-1.93/wrapper' are the same file make: *** [install-wrapper] Error 1 ************************************************* I've erased the directory, extracted and followed the installation process twice, and I've even thought about installing to a different directory. Any help would be apreciated. Greetings, David Ochoa --- David Ochoa Baceliz david@albec.com.mx A L B E C Division Telecomunicaciones http://www.albec.com.mx/david M E X I C O From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 9 11:59:55 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA13670 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from amdext.amd.com (amdext.amd.com [139.95.251.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA13665 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from amdint.amd.com by amdext.amd.com with SMTP id AA10135 (5.67a/IDA-1.5+AMD for ); Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:56:49 -0800 Received: from super.amd.com by amdint.amd.com with SMTP id AA28378 (5.67a/IDA-1.5+AMD); Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:56:46 -0800 Received: from talla.amd.com (talla) by super.amd.com (1.37.109.16/AMDSH-1.20) id AA169797404; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:56:44 -0600 Received: by talla.amd.com (1.37.109.16/AMDC-1.20) id AA260897403; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:56:43 -0600 From: Bill.Meier@amd.com (Bill Meier) Message-Id: <199601091956.AA260897403@talla.amd.com> Subject: Re: $homedir at installation time? To: david@albec.com.mx Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 13:56:43 CST Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199601091927.NAA07535@www.albec.com.mx>; from "David Ochoa Baceliz" at Jan 9, 96 1:25 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk David, > > Hi, > > After having read the Readme and FAQ files without finding a clear > answer to my problem, I have something to ask you: > Should $homedir be a different directory to the directory created > when I extracted majordomo.tar ? > When I get to the point of installing (make install), I get some > errors, including trying to copy files that already exist... i.e.: > Yes, the final directory where the compiled version of majordomo "lives" should be different than where you are compiling from. i.e.- My sources live in my home directory, yet I compiled it so the compiled executables live in /usr/local/majordomo . Good luck with it, but I think that will fix your troubles. Regards, Bill M -- __________________________________________________________ | _______ | | \____ | Advanced Bill Meier | | /| | | Micro meierb@super.amd.com | | | |___| | Devices Voice: (512) 602-4949 | | |____/ \| FAX: (512) 602-7683 | | Watts: (800) 538-8450 Ext: 54949 | |__________________________________________________________| From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 9 15:14:55 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA17767 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA17762 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id PAA18326; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:02:34 -0800 Received: from sigma.itu.ch(156.106.128.30) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma018324; Tue Jan 9 15:01:58 1996 Received: from MR.ITU.CH by ITU.CH (PMDF V4.3-7 #4298) id <01HZTPQW16C099DGSF@ITU.CH>; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:00:21 CET Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:56:45 CET MR-Received: by mta TIES.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 09 Jan 1996 21:56:45 +0100 MR-Received: by mta TAU; Relayed; Tue, 09 Jan 1996 21:56:47 +0100 Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 21:56:45 +0100 (CET) From: Jarle Martinsen +41 22 730 5949 Subject: Problem with Approved and the subject field In-reply-to: <199601081557.HAA08264@miles.greatcircle.com> To: majordomo-users Message-id: <9245562209011996/A59617/TAU/11A14DB82700*@MHS> X-Envelope-to: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Autoforwarded: false MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: 11A14DB82700 X400-MTS-identifier: [;9245562209011996/A59617/TAU] Hop-count: 1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I finally figured out (I hope) how to approve a message to a moderated list (see a previous mail sent a few days ago). By starting the 2 first lines with Approved: password From: jarle ..the message gets successfully exploded to the list of subscribers. But now the original subject field is gone, i.e. the message is sent to all subscribers with - no subject (1232135sdgfdgh) Does anyone know a fix for this - or how I can troubleshoot this further? Thanks for any help. Rgrds, /jarle Jarle Martinsen International Telecommunication Union (ITU) Place des Nations CH-1211 Geneva 20 Switzerland Internet: martinsen@itu.ch X.400: S=martinsen; P=itu; A=400net; C=ch Voice: +41 22 730 5949 Fax: +41 22 730 5337 From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 9 23:22:42 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA06728 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from magic.geol.ucsb.edu (lo-magic.geol.ucsb.edu [128.111.108.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id XAA06723 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by magic.geol.ucsb.edu (4.1/GEOLOGY.UCSB-v1.3R) id AA20072; Tue, 9 Jan 96 23:10:00 PST Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 23:10:00 PST From: major@magic.geol.ucsb.edu (Majordomo User) Message-Id: <9601100710.AA20072@magic.geol.ucsb.edu> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: make failed? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just tried to install 1.93 on a sparc 470 running 4.1.3 and got this error within about 2 seconds. Thanks for any clues as to what happened. I created the majordom user & the appropriate uid, gid & perms. 521 magic:/usr/local/majordomo-1.93# make cc -DBIN=\"/usr/local/majordomo\" -DPATH=\"PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb\" -DHOME=\"HOME=/usr/local/majordomo\" -DSHELL=\"SHELL=/bin/csh\" -DMAJORDOMO_CF= \"MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.cf\" -o wrapper wrapper.c "wrapper.c", line 65: warning: illegal combination of pointer and integer, op!= 522 magic:/usr/local/majordomo-1.93# file wrapper wrapper: sparc demand paged dynamically linked executable not stripped I made these changes in the Makefile -- most of which uncomment the SunOS 4.1.3 variables and comment out the POSIX. 529 magic:/usr/local/majordomo-1.93# diff Makefile Makefile.orig 22c22 < W_BIN=/usr/local/majordomo --- > W_BIN=/tools/majordomo-1.93 36,42c36,42 < W_USER=daemon < W_GROUP=majordom < W_CHOWN=${W_USER}.${W_GROUP} < W_CHMOD=6755 < WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ < -DHOME=\"HOME=${W_HOME}\" -DSHELL=\"SHELL=${W_SHELL}\" \ < -DMAJORDOMO_CF=\"MAJORDOMO_CF=${W_MAJORDOMO_CF}\" --- > #W_USER=daemon > #W_GROUP=majordom > #W_CHOWN=${W_USER}.${W_GROUP} > #W_CHMOD=6755 > #WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ > # -DHOME=\"HOME=${W_HOME}\" -DSHELL=\"SHELL=${W_SHELL}\" \ > # -DMAJORDOMO_CF=\"MAJORDOMO_CF=${W_MAJORDOMO_CF}\" 48,55c48,55 < #W_UID = 54 < #W_GID = 54 < #W_CHOWN=root < #W_CHMOD=4755 < #WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ < # -DHOME=\"HOME=${W_HOME}\" -DSHELL=\"SHELL=${W_SHELL}\" \ < # -DMAJORDOMO_CF=\"MAJORDOMO_CF=${W_MAJORDOMO_CF}\" \ < # -DPOSIX_UID=${W_UID} -DPOSIX_GID=${W_GID} -DSETGROUP --- > W_UID = 54 > W_GID = 54 > W_CHOWN=root > W_CHMOD=4755 > WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ > -DHOME=\"HOME=${W_HOME}\" -DSHELL=\"SHELL=${W_SHELL}\" \ > -DMAJORDOMO_CF=\"MAJORDOMO_CF=${W_MAJORDOMO_CF}\" \ > -DPOSIX_UID=${W_UID} -DPOSIX_GID=${W_GID} -DSETGROUP 530 magic:/usr/local/majordomo-1.93# Ok, what didn't I do? Thanks for any help and sorry for the excess garbage. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David G. Robbins robbins@geology.ucsb.edu System & Network Manager http://www.geol.ucsb.edu/~dave Geological Sciences Phone: 805-893-8203 University of California Fax: 805-893-2314 Santa Barbara,CA 93106 Office: Noble Hall 1023 Santa Barbara is the Selma of the 90's ... if you're a single father. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 00:07:42 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA07927 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us (sparkie.osl.state.or.us [192.84.215.34]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id XAA07922 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:52:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA21559; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:57:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:57:07 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Adams To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Using Hypermail with Majordomo lists Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have set up daily archives for some of the lists that I maintain. I would like to use Hypermail to port the archives over to HTML format. I assume that some of you are familiar with this program. My question is: what do I use as the mailbox for Hypermail to process? The archive is set up so that it logs into daily files. Hypermail needs a mailbox (mbox for users accounts) in order to work. Do I use my Hypermail entry in /etc/aliases in conjunction with the entry for creating the archives, or does Hypermaill work without creating the archives files first? All the archive files are in one directory, but hypermail needs to read one file, so what do I do? I hope this makes some sort of sense. If you are interested, please ask for further clarification if needed. Christopher Adams Automated Systems Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 09:56:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA00270 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:48:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from camlaw.rutgers.edu (camlaw.rutgers.edu [128.6.180.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA00265 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tomryan@localhost) by camlaw.rutgers.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA11204; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:49:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:49:06 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Ryan To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: hello Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Question: I would like to add the ability for majordomo to resend the messages anonymously. I have a faculty member who would like his list to have two addresses. If students send to one, it is anonymous, if sent to the other it is anonymous. I remember hearing of an anonymous patch a while ago. Any and all info is appreciated. Thanx Tom From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 11:08:22 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA01257 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA00972 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id JAA25727; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:27:46 -0800 Received: from lion.state.or.us(159.121.88.21) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma025724; Wed Jan 10 09:27:17 1996 Received: from poe.osl.or.gov by lion.state.or.us; Wed, 10 Jan 96 09:09:35 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Christopher Adams" To: Bill Fisher Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:12:40 PST Subject: Re: Using Hypermail with Majordomo lists Reply-to: chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <30f3f2cf169d002@lion.state.or.us> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks for responding. I understand the basics of setting this up, but here is a little more info as I see it. In my aliases file, I have set up archive2.pl to read daily archives of incoming messages into files in the sample.archive directory (sample is the name of the list). I have also added hypermail to the aliases file to read the archive file, but since there are many archive files (daily), I don't know which file to read from. I am a little confused (that is probably obvious). In the Hypermail documentation, it says that you should read from a mailbox. Since there is no mailbox that I know of, I assume that the sample.archive is where I set Hypermail to read the messages from Am I missing something. Below are my aliases entry for the archive and hypermail. Could you take a look at it and comment? # # sample mailing list # sample: "|/usr/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l sample -f sample-Owner -h sparkie.osl.state.or.us -r sample -s sample-outgoing" owner-sample: sample-owner sample-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/mail/lists/sample,sample-archive owner-sample-outgoing: sample-owner owner-sample-archive: sample-owner sample-request: "|/usr/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper request-answer sample" owner-sample-request: sample-owner sample-approval: chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us sample-owner: chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us owner-sample-owner: chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us #sample archive sample-archive: "|/usr/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/mail/lists/sample.archive/ -d -a" # #sample hypermail archive list: sample, "|/home/chris/hypermail/hypermail -u -m /usr/local/mail/lists/sample.archive -d usr1/infostructure/osl-web/samplearchive -l \"Sample Mailing List Archive\"" # > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:04:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Bill Fisher > To: Chris Adams > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: Using Hypermail with Majordomo lists > > You set up Hypermail so that when a new message comes in to your list, in > the aliases file you call hypermail also. It takes that message and adds > it to the html index. It's in the documentation. Although I believe it > was better documented in the faq. > > Good luck > > Bill > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Chris Adams wrote: > > > I have set up daily archives for some of the lists that I maintain. I > > would like to use Hypermail to port the archives over to HTML format. I > > assume that some of you are familiar with this program. My question is: > > what do I use as the mailbox for Hypermail to process? The archive is set > > up so that it logs into daily files. Hypermail needs a mailbox (mbox for > > users accounts) in order to work. Do I use my Hypermail entry in > > /etc/aliases in conjunction with the entry for creating the archives, or > > does Hypermaill work without creating the archives files first? All the > > archive files are in one directory, but hypermail needs to read one file, > > so what do I do? > > > > I hope this makes some sort of sense. If you are interested, please ask > > for further clarification if needed. > > > > Christopher Adams > > Automated Systems > > Oregon State Library > > chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Fisher, President | bill@akorn.net | Atlanta Internet Access | > Akorn Access, Inc. | http://www.akorn.net | and WWW Services. | > 770-569-1550 | | | > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 11:18:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA02546 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from taurus.fwl.org ([198.49.171.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id KAA02541 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from brian.fwl.org ([198.49.171.101]) by taurus.fwl.org (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id KAA29488 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:41:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:41:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601101841.KAA29488@taurus.fwl.org> From: Brian Rankin To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Moderated mail goes to listname-request: Help! X-Mailer: ProntoIP [version 2.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm having a devil of a time getting moderated majordomo lists to work. Whenever I set "moderate = yes" in the listname.config file, list mail stops flowing completly. Well, the syslog for the system shows that all mail for the moderated list is sent to the listname-request alias! I tested this by substituting my email address in the listname-request alias, and I began receiving messages for approval. Why isn't moderated mail going to the alias listname-approval? Any clues appreciated. Sincerely, Brian ***************************************************************************** _ __ __ ______ __ | | / /__ _____/ /_/ ____/___/ / Phone: (415) 565-3096 | | /| / / _ \/ __/ __/ __/ / __ / Fax: (415) 565-3012 | |/ |/ / __(__ ) /_/ /___/ /_/ / Email: brankin@WestEd.org |__/|__/\___/____/\__/_____/\____/ WWW: http://www.fwl.org Brian C. Rankin, Telecommunications Director WestEd Research Laboratory 730 Harrison Street, San Francisco, CA 94107 ***************************************************************************** From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 11:19:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA01476 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA01210 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id IAA25430; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:45:40 -0800 Received: from reginet.bham.ac.uk(147.188.63.74) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma025405; Wed Jan 10 08:44:58 1996 Received: from med613.bham.ac.uk by reginet.bham.ac.uk; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Nov95-0438PM) id AA10364; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:45:58 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:45:58 GMT Message-Id: <9601101645.AA10364@reginet.bham.ac.uk> X-Sender: paul@reginet.bham.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Paul Key Subject: Double barrel replies Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk System config: D-UNIX 3.2a Majordomo 1.93 Perl 5.001 patchlevel 1m Hello majordomo-users Has anyone experienced the following? I have only the bare-bones of aliases defined...enough to send a 'help' message to majordomo which I have done. My machine goes into overdrive - screaming about available swap space falling below 10% free - which smacks to me of majordomo not being able to go where it wants - a permission type problem - only where I don't know. I have checked all that I know. Now, the problem...on sending a help message the sender gets the correct bumph back - the help instructions - and I , as majordomo-owner get the following sent to me... Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:27:01 GMT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 To: owner-majordomo ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Out of memory! 554 "|/usr/users/list/majordomo/active/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from med613.bham.ac.uk by reginet.bham.ac.uk; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Nov95-0438PM) id AA10459; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:27:01 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:27:01 GMT Message-Id: <9601101627.AA10459@reginet.bham.ac.uk> X-Sender: paul@reginet.bham.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo@reginet.bham.ac.uk From: Paul Key Subject: help The sender, not hearing or seeing the machine squirming thinks 'great, this works' but alas, it isn't the case. Is there an alias I need to set up to handle the above message or some other permission I need to set? Can you help? Thanks in advance Paul BTW anyone know where I can get the VERY latest version of Perl? _____________________________________________________________________ |R| A Message from Paul Key: Reginet Systems Administrator |E| at |G| The Institute of Public & Environmental Health, |I| The University of Birmingham, |N| http://reginet.bham.ac.uk |E| email : P.G.Key@bham.ac.uk |T| voice (work) : 0 (+44) 121 414 7552 | | fax : 0 (+44) 121 472 1122 ______________________________________________________________________ From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 12:26:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA05764 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA05676 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id AAA21763; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:33:00 -0800 Received: from unknown(192.215.248.218) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma021754; Wed Jan 10 00:32:28 1996 Received: from indogtw.UUCP (Uindogtw@localhost) by bputih.indo.net.id (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA09857 for greatcircle.com!majordomo-users; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:44:30 +0700 Received: from intisar by indogtw.csc.ui.ac.id id aa01468; Wed, 10 Jan 96 14:48:21 WIB Received: from cc:Mail by intisar.co.id id AA821313309 Wed, 10 Jan 96 14:35:09 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 14:35:09 From: hondo Message-Id: <9600108213.AA821313309@intisar.co.id> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk SUBSCRIPE majordomo-users From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 12:35:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA04572 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA04470 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id GAA24267; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 06:03:28 -0800 Received: from paris.akorn.net(205.217.100.5) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma024255; Wed Jan 10 06:02:31 1996 Received: (from bill@localhost) by paris.akorn.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA00957; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:04:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fisher To: Chris Adams cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Using Hypermail with Majordomo lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You set up Hypermail so that when a new message comes in to your list, in the aliases file you call hypermail also. It takes that message and adds it to the html index. It's in the documentation. Although I believe it was better documented in the faq. Good luck Bill On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Chris Adams wrote: > I have set up daily archives for some of the lists that I maintain. I > would like to use Hypermail to port the archives over to HTML format. I > assume that some of you are familiar with this program. My question is: > what do I use as the mailbox for Hypermail to process? The archive is set > up so that it logs into daily files. Hypermail needs a mailbox (mbox for > users accounts) in order to work. Do I use my Hypermail entry in > /etc/aliases in conjunction with the entry for creating the archives, or > does Hypermaill work without creating the archives files first? All the > archive files are in one directory, but hypermail needs to read one file, > so what do I do? > > I hope this makes some sort of sense. If you are interested, please ask > for further clarification if needed. > > Christopher Adams > Automated Systems > Oregon State Library > chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Fisher, President | bill@akorn.net | Atlanta Internet Access | Akorn Access, Inc. | http://www.akorn.net | and WWW Services. | 770-569-1550 | | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 12:41:23 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA06564 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:57:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA06282 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id LAA26481; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:26:49 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net(204.156.128.88) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma026475; Wed Jan 10 11:26:14 1996 Received: from ahirsch.vip.best.com (ahirsch.vip.best.com [205.149.164.117]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA09061; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:28:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199601101928.LAA09061@blob.best.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alan Hirsch" Organization: a2z To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:15:29 -0800 Subject: Need Digest FAQ or friendly help? Reply-to: Ahirsch@best.com CC: ahirsch@best.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk If there anyone and/or any documentation on setting up the DIGEST features in Majordomo? I've spend 2 days trying to figure it out setting up config file with limited luck. I have done my due diligence, have searched the Net with Yahoo and Infoseek. reviewed this newsgroup back 4 weeks, and found nothing beyond what is in the config files on running a DIGEST. The only documentation I have found is what is posted U Chicago. ========================== Here are my questions...the start of an FAQ maybe? Q.What Triggers a digest printing? Q. Are their any guide lines on trade off of frequency vs Length for digests? Q. How are articles indexed in top of digest mailing header? Q. Do "Moderate" and "Posting Approve" process work the same for digest as for a regular posting list? Do you set the config file setting the same way? Q. Can multiple people "approve"posting yet have only one person control config file changes? Q. How do you put in Digest fronters and Footers? Do you use the same config fields as message_fronter/footer? Q. Any rules of thumb how much stuff to put in Digest header/footers? Q. What is purpose of digest_rm_footer = & digest_rm_fronter = fields in Config file? Do these just diable message_fronter/footer field? Q. How do you set up fronter/footers so get line-return. How do you cope with have problems setting up config file header/fronter strings--(IBM-PC clone +Pegusus) if Majordomo ignoring my shift/return to indicate line feed or reject newconfig giving error message reading my "enter" line returns as pipes" |." Q. Can you disable "who" command so even those people subscribed to list can't see list of who is subscribed? From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 13:11:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA08908 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from spectr.com ([199.84.229.18]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA08895 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by spectr.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA10731 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:05:26 -0500 From: Joe Alonso Message-Id: <199601102105.QAA10731@spectr.com> Subject: HEELP wrapper! To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:05:25 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I can't seem to be able to get this darn wrappe to execute!!! Here is the perms on it: -rwsr-sr-x root majordom 17948 jan 10 wrapper Here is the message: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 (message addressed to owner-majordomo) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper: Cannot execute 554 "| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo "... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by mymachine.com (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO) for /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo id AA16059; Wed, 10 Jan 96 15:57:53 -0500 AARRRGHH!!! Any ideas?? //////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Joe Alonso .. Joe@Spectr.Com \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\////////////////////////////////// From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 13:41:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA08529 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.infoshare.net (mercury.infoshare.net [199.212.229.202]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA08524 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:59:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mercury.infoshare.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA23238; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:58:30 -0500 Received: from hermes(142.148.10.52) by mercury via smap (V1.3) id sma023233; Wed Jan 10 15:58:17 1996 Received: from protector by hermes.fundserv.com (8.6.12/Sun-bp) id PAA14774; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:58:38 -0500 Received: (hugh@localhost) by protector (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA17994; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:58:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:58:15 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Ferguson X-Sender: hugh@protector To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am wondering if anyone else has seen this on a moderated list. I have a list that is moderated, but somehow, somebody managed to send mail to the list in the form of a subscription request, that got broadcast to the whole list without authorization. Further, by sending to listname-outgoing@whatever.the.domain.is, users were able to broadcast to a moderated list without any approval whatsoever. Needless to say, this is a potentially enormous security hole. I have prevented the latter problem by replacing listname-outgoing with something less obvious, and ensuring that majordomo does not broadcast this in the header when it mails out, but I wanted to know if there was any other way of preventing this -Hugh Ferguson +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Hugh Ferguson | Core-LAN Communications | | H_Ferguson@corelan.com | 2, First Canadian Pl. | | http://www.corelan.com/~hugh/ | Toronto, Ont. | | ph: (416)-362-7378 | M5X 1E5 | | fax: (416)-362-8772 | | +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 15:31:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA12411 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from taurus.fwl.org ([198.49.171.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id QAA20674 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from brian.fwl.org ([198.49.171.101]) by taurus.fwl.org (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id QAA03983 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:32:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:32:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601090032.QAA03983@taurus.fwl.org> From: Brian Rankin To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: approving moderated lists X-Mailer: ProntoIP [version 2.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm running Majordomo 1.93 on a box which is used by list owners that don't have accounts on the machine. They would like to run moderated lists; but because they don't have local accounts, they obviously don't have .majordomo files which contain the approve passwords. I would like to run a version of approve that uses the approve_passwd field in the listname.config file for the list being approved. Does such a version of the approve script exist? If so, can someone point me to a copy? Sincerely, Brian Rankin From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 15:41:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA12621 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov [164.159.176.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA11496 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA09260; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:51:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:51:14 -0700 (MST) From: "J.V. Lentini" X-Sender: lentinij@dataadmin To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM cc: Jim Lentini Subject: Restricting Access by Domain. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is it possible to setup a list so that the only people who can subscribe and post are those within a specific domain ? eg: *.fws.gov I would like to be able to do this so that any address which ended in ".fws.gov" could subscribe. One concern I have is that many addresses in our network are *.mail.fws.gov or *.r6.irm.r9.fws.gov. Any thoughts on how we might implement it? ################################## ## James V. Lentini ## ## Systems Analyst ## ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## ################################## From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 15:50:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA12544 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA05782 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id AAA21652; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:22:58 -0800 Received: from mail.eskimo.com(204.122.16.4) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma021640; Wed Jan 10 00:22:23 1996 Received: from eskimo.com (jimo@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA22937 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:23:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Osborn Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id AAA14481; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:23:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:23:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601100823.AAA14481@eskimo.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Unsubscribing Complex Address Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've got a subscriber with the following address, as shown in a "who" list: @post.demon.co.uk:alex@alhco.demon.co.uk He's tried to unsubscribe, and I've tried to approve an unsubscription, but majordomo steadfastly maintains that he's not a member of the list. **** unsubscribe: '@post.demon.co.uk:alex@alhco.demon.co.uk' is not a member... I've tried just the user address part: alex@alhco.demon.co.uk but was again told he wasn't a member of the list Mail occasionally bounces from his site, but not always. Can anyone suggest how I can bludgeon majordomo into accepting an unsubscription for this address? Thanks, jimo@eskimo.com From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 15:51:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA12557 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca [205.206.207.101]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA08280 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from i486nt01.harte-lyne.ca by hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA18522; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:47:45 -0500 Message-Id: <30F42663.3AD0@harte-lyne.ca> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:49:39 -0500 From: "James B. Byrne" Organization: Harte & Lyne Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: help with majordomo install Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The following is an extract of a test run to see if majordomo has been installed correctly. I am getting an error which seems to be related to the shlock.pl package as this is the only file which has main'lopen defined. I have followed the install scripts faithfully. $HOMEDIR is /opt/majordomo. Is there some assumption being made regarding the installation of perl envolved here? We are using perl5 from the latest (as of Dec '95) release. Any assistance would be greatfully appreciated. $ echo help | sendmail -v pacwar-request pacwar-request... aliased to "|/opt/majordomo/bin/wrapper request-answer pacwar" "|/opt/majordomo/bin/wrapper request-answer pacwar"... Connecting to local host (prog)... "|/opt/majordomo/bin/wrapper request-answer pacwar"... Executing "/bin/sh -c /op t/majordomo/bin/wrapper request-answer pacwar" Undefined subroutine &main::lopen called at /opt/majordomo/majordomo.pl line 229 , line 1. "|/opt/majordomo/bin/wrapper request-answer pacwar"... Sent $ Regards, Jim P.S. The preceding test of: echo help | sendmail -v majordomo returns the help file to the user via e-mail as expected. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 15:56:30 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA12432 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA22083 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from xanadu.io.com (xanadu.io.com [199.170.88.6]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id TAA16148 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:58:46 -0600 (CST) Received: (rwinter@localhost) by xanadu.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA07341; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:58:43 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:58:43 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Winter To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: help setting up two linked lists Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm trying to have one moderated list administered by a group of people on a second mailing list. The problem I have is that all the mail on the second list looks like: >From owner-ctja-mod@io.comMon Jan 8 19:35:56 1996 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:10:04 -0600 From: owner-ctja-mod@io.com To: owner-ctja-mod@io.com Subject: BOUNCE ctja-mod@io.com: Admin request >From rwinter@io.com Mon Jan 8 15:09:57 1996 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:09:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199601082109.PAA15364@lists.io.com> To: ctja-approval From: Majordomo@io.com Subject: APPROVE ctja Reply-To: Majordomo@io.com -- SyntonicR@aol.com requests that you approve the following: subscribe ctja cjta syntonicr@aol.com ... My specific question is: Why are the messages showing up as BOUNCED messages, not normal administrative messages? I also get about 15 copies of each message. List CTJA is the closed, moderated list. List CTJA-MOD is closed, unmoderated, and administrivia is set to 'no'. The mail aliases are set as follows: # Robert Winter # ctja ctja: ctja@lists.io.com ctja-request: ctja-request@lists.io.com ctja-owner: ctja-mod@lists.io.com owner-ctja: ctja-mod@lists.io.com ctja-approval: ctja-mod@lists.io.com # Robert Winter # ctja-mod ctja-mod: ctja-mod@lists.io.com ctja-mod-request: ctja-mod-request@lists.io.com ctja-mod-owner: rwinter@io.com owner-ctja-mod: rwinter@io.com ctja-mod-approval: rwinter@io.com Any help and suggestions will be greatly appreciated, Thanks in Advance, -Robert From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 17:28:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA16705 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from cfa.harvard.edu (cfa.harvard.edu [128.103.40.170]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA16699 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from draco.harvard.edu by cfa.harvard.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Sep95-1159PM) id AA04063; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:12:51 -0500 Received: by draco.harvard.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28166; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:13:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:13:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Patrick O'Brien" X-Sender: pobrien@draco Reply-To: pobrien@cfa.harvard.edu To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: More noadvertise Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, I've encountered an oddity in using noadvertise in lists. In issuing the lists command, I use an account that is not on any of the lists. But there is always one list (and it can be *any* list) that shows up in a lists command, even though its noadvertise regexp is /.*/ Here's the scenario: I create one list, and use /.*/ as the noadvertise regexp in the config file. The list shows up in a lists command. I cp that one list to a second name, and cp the config file as well. The *second* list shows up in the lists command, though the first does not. cp'ing to a third list (and config file) results in the third list showing up, but neither of the first two. The process can be reversed: When I delete the third list, the second list shows up, but not the original list. When I delete the second list, the original list shows up. Any ideas are most welcome. Regards, Patrick O'Brien ps: the platform is Majordomo 1.93 Perl 5.000m DEC Alpha Digital Unix 3.2C From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 18:35:31 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA18519 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from digital.netvoyage.net (digital.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA18513; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from digital.netvoyage.net (digital.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.10]) by digital.netvoyage.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA16632; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:23:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:23:41 -0800 (PST) From: Brock Rozen To: Majordomo Workers List , Majordomo Users List cc: Brent@greatcircle.com Subject: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED Message-ID: X-URL: http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, We run a group of lists. We wish to have each person subscribed to the other lists also subscribed to one main list. Basically, anybody who subscribes to list B-G also gets subscribed to list A. Rather than doing this through majordomo, would it be possible to add this to the approve script? Basically, having it send an additional line (or if necessary, another message) subscribing the same person to the list they requested to be subscribed to AS WELL as that one main list. Thanks, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brock Rozen | Internet: brozen@netvoyage.net | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | Check out my homepage at http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | For automated information on various subjects, send an e-mail to my | | Internet address with SEND HELP on the SUBJECT line. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 18:43:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA18686 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:28:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from dps.sdsu.edu (dps.sdsu.edu [130.191.69.51]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA18681 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:28:54 -0800 (PST) From: Glen X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Noadvertise headache!!! Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 18:26:42 PST Message-ID: <9601101826.aa09627@dps.sdsu.edu> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all... From: Patrick O'Brien In issuing the lists command, I use an account that is not on any of the lists. But there is always one list (and it can be *any* list) that shows up in a lists command, even though its noadvertise regexp is /.*/ Although I never tested it to that extent, my lists did the same thing. I got pretty frustrated with this too, so I went in, knowing nothing about PERL, to the majordomo script. I saw some FAQ or something that said something about the thing always showing you a list you were on, and removing something around line 890. I made the change, it had no effect. But then I saw this, starting at line 880 in majordomo: if ($'config_opts{$list, 'advertise'} ne '') { @array = split(/\001/,$'config_opts{$list, 'advertise'}); foreach $i (@array) { $command = "(qq~$reply_addr~ =~ $i)"; $result = 1, last if (eval $command); } THIS LINE --> } else { $result = 1; } @array = (); if ($result) { @array = split(/\001/,$'config_opts{$list, 'noadvertise'}); foreach $i (@array) { $command = "(qq~$reply_addr~ =~ $i)"; $result = 0, last if (eval $command); } } Well, on a whim, knowing nothing, I changed that line to: } else { $result = 0; } and now "noadvertise" works *exactly* like it's supposed to no matter what. Just lucky, I have no clue what the side effects are, but at least I can use the noadvertise thing now! Go figure! Glen glen@sdsu.edu From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 18:46:48 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA19483 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.infoshare.net (mercury.infoshare.net [199.212.229.202]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA19478 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mercury.infoshare.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA27457; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:41:57 -0500 Received: from hermes(142.148.10.52) by mercury via smap (V1.3) id sma027452; Wed Jan 10 21:41:27 1996 Received: from protector by hermes.fundserv.com (8.6.12/Sun-bp) id VAA23339; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:41:48 -0500 Received: (hugh@localhost) by protector (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA19151; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:41:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:41:25 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Ferguson X-Sender: hugh@protector To: Jim Osborn cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribing Complex Address In-Reply-To: <199601100823.AAA14481@eskimo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Jim Osborn wrote: > I've got a subscriber with the following address, as shown in a "who" list: > > @post.demon.co.uk:alex@alhco.demon.co.uk > > He's tried to unsubscribe, and I've tried to approve an unsubscription, > but majordomo steadfastly maintains that he's not a member of the list. > > Mail occasionally bounces from his site, but not always. > Can anyone suggest how I can bludgeon majordomo into accepting > an unsubscription for this address? You could always go for the brute force approace, and edit the file listname (or whatever your list is called) in the lists subdirectory, removing that entry. That is, as far as I know, the only place where e-mail addresses are stored, so that should do it. Mind you, that will only work if you have write permissions. +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Hugh Ferguson | Core-LAN Communications | | H_Ferguson@corelan.com | 2, First Canadian Pl. | | http://www.corelan.com/~hugh/ | Toronto, Ont. | | ph: (416)-362-7378 | M5X 1E5 | | fax: (416)-362-8772 | | +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 19:02:32 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA19654 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.102.244.42] (pb520.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.42]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA19640; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:46:11 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: brent@miles.greatcircle.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:46:26 +0100 To: Brock Rozen , Majordomo Workers List , Majordomo Users List From: Brent@GreatCircle.COM (Brent Chapman) Subject: Re: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 6:23 PM 1/10/96, Brock Rozen wrote: >Hi, > >We run a group of lists. We wish to have each person subscribed to the >other lists also subscribed to one main list. Basically, anybody who >subscribes to list B-G also gets subscribed to list A. > >Rather than doing this through majordomo, would it be possible to add >this to the approve script? Basically, having it send an additional line >(or if necessary, another message) subscribing the same person to the >list they requested to be subscribed to AS WELL as that one main list. Yes, it would be possible. It would be pretty easy, even; approve is a pretty simple perl program, and you shouldn't have any trouble modifying it to do what you want. -Brent ----------------------+----------------------------+------------------------ Brent Chapman | Great Circle Associates | 1057 West Dana Street Brent@GreatCircle.COM | http://www.greatcircle.com | Mountain View, CA 94041 ----------------------+----------------------------+------------------------ Internet Tutorials from the Experts! From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 19:34:02 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA20728 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:12:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from syse.dce.vic.gov.au (syse.dce.vic.gov.au [203.11.140.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id TAA20713; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:11:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.dce.vic.gov.au (hermes.dce.vic.gov.au [157.128.1.43]) by syse.dce.vic.gov.au with SMTP id OAA14777 (8.7.1/IDA-1.6); Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:08:13 +1100 (EST) Received: from msl.oz.au (msl) by hermes.dce.vic.gov.au with SMTP id AA14595 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:11:00 +1100 Received: from msl2390 by msl.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25543; Thu, 11 Jan 96 14:09:56 EST Message-Id: <9601110309.AA25543@msl.oz.au> X-Sender: ngd@msl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:09:55 +1000 To: Brock Rozen , Majordomo Workers List , Majordomo Users List From: Nik Dow Subject: Re: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED Cc: Brent@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 06:23 PM 10/1/96 -0800, Brock Rozen wrote: >Hi, > >We run a group of lists. We wish to have each person subscribed to the >other lists also subscribed to one main list. Basically, anybody who >subscribes to list B-G also gets subscribed to list A. > >Rather than doing this through majordomo, would it be possible to add >this to the approve script? Basically, having it send an additional line >(or if necessary, another message) subscribing the same person to the >list they requested to be subscribed to AS WELL as that one main list. Why not just subscribe the lists B-G themselves to list A? (I know, someone subscribed to two or more of B-G would get multiple copies of A's messages). The problem with subscribing clients to two lists is that they have to know to unsubscribe from a list which they never subscribed to originally. _____________________________________________________________________ Nik Dow Victorian Fisheries Research Institute Manager, Biometry & Computing P.O. Box 114 voice +61 (3) 412 4901 ,-_|\ Queenscliff fax: (3) 412 4623 or (52) 580 270 / \ Australia 3225 n.dow@dce.vic.gov.au \_,-. / * <--- Queenscliff v From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 22:13:59 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id VAA00121 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from outsider.bolis.sf-bay.org (bolis.isp.net [204.153.195.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA00113; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hock.bolis.sf-bay.org by outsider.bolis.sf-bay.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0taFiN-00042gC; Wed, 10 Jan 96 21:38 PST Received: from amillar by hock.bolis.sf-bay.org with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0taFS1-000UrcC; Wed, 10 Jan 96 21:21 PST Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alan Millar" Organization: The Bolis Group To: Brock Rozen , majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:25:10 -800 Subject: Re: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 10 Jan 96 at 18:23, Brock Rozen wrote: > We run a group of lists. We wish to have each person subscribed to the > other lists also subscribed to one main list. Basically, anybody who > subscribes to list B-G also gets subscribed to list A. > > Rather than doing this through majordomo, would it be possible to add > this to the approve script? Basically, having it send an additional line > (or if necessary, another message) subscribing the same person to the > list they requested to be subscribed to AS WELL as that one main list. This comes up about every six months, so I'll answer it again :-) Don't bother to change the "approve" script; you can do this without changing any code. Include all your lists in list A. The trick is to avoid duplicates; you do this by combining the lists on the -outgoing side *after* "resend". You can change your aliases for listA-outgoing, or you can just add the other lists right into the listA list file. IMPORTANT: Add the -outgoing aliases for the other lists, not the primary aliases. So just subscribe listB-outgoing, listC-outgoing, etc to listA and forget about the rest. - Alan ---- Alan Millar E-Mail: amillar@bolis.SF-Bay.org System Administrator I believe the word you're looking for is AAAAAAGHHHHHH!!!! -Batman Returns From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 10 22:26:12 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id VAA00963 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from digital.netvoyage.net (digital.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA00942; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from digital.netvoyage.net (digital.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.10]) by digital.netvoyage.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA04173; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:51:40 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:51:39 -0800 (PST) From: Brock Rozen To: Alan Millar cc: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-URL: http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Alan Millar wrote: > On 10 Jan 96 at 18:23, Brock Rozen wrote: > > We run a group of lists. We wish to have each person subscribed to the > > other lists also subscribed to one main list. Basically, anybody who > > subscribes to list B-G also gets subscribed to list A. > > > > Rather than doing this through majordomo, would it be possible to add > > this to the approve script? Basically, having it send an additional line > > (or if necessary, another message) subscribing the same person to the > > list they requested to be subscribed to AS WELL as that one main list. > > This comes up about every six months, so I'll answer it again :-) > > Don't bother to change the "approve" script; you can do this without > changing any code. > > Include all your lists in list A. The trick is to avoid duplicates; > you do this by combining the lists on the -outgoing side *after* > "resend". > > You can change your aliases for listA-outgoing, or you can just add > the other lists right into the listA list file. IMPORTANT: Add the > -outgoing aliases for the other lists, not the primary aliases. > > So just subscribe listB-outgoing, listC-outgoing, etc to listA > and forget about the rest. A few problems I see with this. One, we DO allow people who do NOT want to receive the main list to unsubscribe from this. They would NOT have that option under this. Two, some people would receive duplicates. Considering we have THOUSANDS (over five thousand) of subscribers, that would add CONSIDERABLE work on the system and would result in unneeded inconveniences to be added to our readers. Thanks, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brock Rozen | Internet: brozen@netvoyage.net | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | Check out my homepage at http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | For automated information on various subjects, send an e-mail to my | | Internet address with SEND HELP on the SUBJECT line. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 01:58:59 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id BAA12298 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 01:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from wwti.iway.net (wwti.iway.net [198.80.71.50]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id BAA12293 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 01:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gregg@localhost) by wwti.iway.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA04843; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:56:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:56:24 -0600 (CST) From: Gregg Graubins To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Majordomo v1.93 Installation Problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Howdy fellow majordomo users, I got done installing majordomo 1.93 on my system and am having a problem... I've reread the docs several times to make sure I did everything correctly, and still can't find out the problem... I'm running perl 4.0 Patch level 36. (Revision 1.2). I've correctly installed the appropriate majordomo aliases in my aliases file: # MajorDomo aliases .... majordomo: "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo" majordom: majordomo-owner owner-majordomo: majordomo-owner majordomo-owner: gregg The majordomo.cf is all properly set up, and all... When I try sending a verbose messages via sendmail through majordomo, I get the following: echo help | /usr/sbin/sendmail -v majordomo majordomo... aliased to "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo" "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... Connecting to prog... Memory fault "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 139 majordomo-owner... aliased to gregg gregg... Connecting to local... gregg... Sent --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The majordomo message is *still* processed it looks like (I got a message back from Majordomo@wwti.iway.net about my 'help' request), but (1) while it is processing the mail message it takes about 10 seconds (maybe a little shorter) and (2) causes the above memory fault and writes me a message. I also checked all permissions on files.... Has anyone else out there had this problem? Thanks in advance! --- Gregg Graubins Whitewater Technologies, Inc. From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 05:35:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA18905 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.cern.ch (mail1.cern.ch [128.141.199.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA18891; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpplus09.cern.ch by mail1.cern.ch with SMTP id AA02200 (5.67b8+/IDA-1.5); Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:18:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:18:30 +0100 (MET) From: German Fernandez X-Sender: german@hpplus09.cern.ch To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Brock Rozen wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Alan Millar wrote: > > > On 10 Jan 96 at 18:23, Brock Rozen wrote: > > > We run a group of lists. We wish to have each person subscribed to the > > > other lists also subscribed to one main list. Basically, anybody who > > > subscribes to list B-G also gets subscribed to list A. > > > > > > Rather than doing this through majordomo, would it be possible to add > > > this to the approve script? Basically, having it send an additional line > > > (or if necessary, another message) subscribing the same person to the > > > list they requested to be subscribed to AS WELL as that one main list. > > > > [...] > > So just subscribe listB-outgoing, listC-outgoing, etc to listA > > and forget about the rest. > > A few problems I see with this. One, we DO allow people who do NOT want > to receive the main list to unsubscribe from this. They would NOT have > that option under this. Two, some people would receive duplicates. > Considering we have THOUSANDS (over five thousand) of subscribers, that > would add CONSIDERABLE work on the system and would result in unneeded > inconveniences to be added to our readers. Three, if listA.config has 'private_xxx = yes', subscribers to listB, listC... cannot perform 'xxx listA'. , , German Fernandez Unix Migration Task Force European Laboratory for Particle Physics From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 05:44:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA19220 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mserv1.dl.ac.uk (mserv1.dl.ac.uk [148.79.160.65]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA19205 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from xserv1.dl_sun_server by mserv1.dl.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA04715 (8.6.12/5.3[ref postmaster@dl.ac.uk] for dl.ac.uk from J.F.L.Hopkinson@dl.ac.uk); Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:25:40 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:25:40 GMT Message-Id: <199601111325.NAA04715@mserv1.dl.ac.uk> Received: by xserv1.dl_sun_server (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15978; Thu, 11 Jan 96 13:25:38 GMT From: "J. Hopkinson" To: brozen@netvoyage.net Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: (message from Brock Rozen on Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:23:41 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED Reply-To: J.F.L.Hopkinson@dl.ac.uk Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Brock Rozen Internet: brozen@netvoyage.net writes: We run a group of lists. We wish to have each person subscribed to the other lists also subscribed to one main list. Basically, anybody who subscribes to list B-G also gets subscribed to list A. Rather than doing this through majordomo, would it be possible to add this to the approve script? Basically, having it send an additional line (or if necessary, another message) subscribing the same person to the list they requested to be subscribed to AS WELL as that one main list. Thanks, Rather than subscribe a user to each list, wouldn't you do better to modify the the alias of list-A to read something like: list-A-outgoing: :include:/path/to/lists/list-A, :include:/path/to/lists/list-B, :include:/path/to/lists/list-C, ... Done this way, I believe sendmail will even ignore duplicates of names (confirmation please someone ?). Regards --Jerry --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- Jerry Hopkinson e-mail: j.hopkinson@dl.ac.uk Daresbury Laboratory Voice: (+44) 1925 603355 Warrington WA4 4AD Fax: (+44) 1925 603100 UK [May 95] --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 05:59:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA19204 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ASARian.org (ASARian.org [152.52.36.201]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA19199 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fuzzy@localhost) by ASARian.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA02178; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:28:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:28:00 -0500 (EST) From: Fuzzy To: Majordomo-users List Subject: problem with approve script with MD 1.93+perl 5.001m Message-ID: Organization: *fuzzies* and *e-hugs* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk we had to change the references from /usr/ucb/mail to /bin/mail as thats where linux/slackware 3.0.0 puts it. we then built the .majordomo file as directed. and tried ASARian:/home3/fuzzy> approve sanct No "Reply-To:"; exiting at approve line 137, line 11. where sanct is the output of pine's extract command. it appears that "approve" expects MD to put a Reply-to: header in its canned approval message and it doesn't? we thought that it would use the 3rd field in the .majordomo file for the majordomo@site.domain.name info? Am I doing something wrong? Fuzzy file excerpts ~/.majordomo sanctuary PASSWORD majordomo@asarian.org sanctuary-digest PASSWORD majordomo@asarian.org ~/approve [lines in block in question] #!/usr/local/bin/perl # sub process_approve { local($FILE) = shift; while (<$FILE>) { if ((/^\tsubscribe\s/) || (/^\tunsubscribe\s/)) { if (!defined($reply_to)) { warn("No \"Reply-To:\"; exiting"); exit(1);; } s/^\t//; split; $list = $_[1]; $list =~ tr/A-Z/a-z/; $passwd = $passwd{"$list@$reply_to"}; if (! $passwd) { warn("no password for list $list; skipping \"$_\""); next; } if (defined($opt_d)) { open(MAIL, ">&STDOUT"); print MAIL "-" x 20, "\n"; print MAIL "To: $reply_to\n\n"; } else { open(MAIL, "| /bin/mail -s \"\" $reply_to") || die ("open(\"|/bin/mail ...\"): $!"); } print MAIL "approve $passwd $_"; close(MAIL); last; } } } ~/sanct [output from pine 3.91's e command] >From Majordomo@ASARian.orgThu Jan 11 07:25:58 1996 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:53:13 -0500 From: Majordomo@ASARian.org To: sanctuary-approval@ASARian.org Subject: APPROVE sanctuary -- Chris Thiel requests that you approve the following: subscribe sanctuary cthiel@cello.gina.calstate.edu If you approve, please send a message such as the following back to Majordomo (with the appropriate PASSWORD filled in, of course): approve PASSWORD subscribe sanctuary cthiel@cello.gina.calstate.edu If you disapprove, do nothing. Thanks! Majordomo From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 06:44:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA21134 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from wt200025 (ws200025.css.gordon.army.mil [147.51.200.25]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA21126 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:28:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 10:13:37 EST Message-Id: <9601111013.AA12024@WT200025.CSS583.GORDON.ARMY.MIL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "SFC Simmons" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Host mailhost not found X-Mailer: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Having a great time with majordomo. Keeps me off the streets anyway. I have it running locally with archiving, index and get, etc. It delivers, subscribes, and posts fine to people in my local workgroup. Problem is when I try to let someone from another mail server try to subscribe or post to majordomo or its lists. Normal point to point mail works fine ie: me to another domain or anothe domain to me. It fails when a user in another domain sends to majordomo or it's lists. It also fails when I manually add an ourside user to the list and ask majordomo to post to them. The list I sent to had 4 users in it: me@foo.mil him@foo.mil paul@stuff.mil john@stuff.mil The me and him go out fine. The paul and john generate the following error message: 421 Host mailhost not found for mailer ether. 550 paul@STUFF.mil,john@STUFF.mil... Host unknown YES, they are in the list file and I did a route test and their addresses are valid on the host machimes. I can e-mail them no problem, just can't majordomo them. Any ideas?? I am reading the o'reilly sendmail book but cannot find any refernce to this. Other than this, all features work fine. SunSparc20 Solaris 2.4 posix compile w/no errors perl4.XX Thanks...Ken From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 07:28:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA22334 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.iie.org (smtp.iie.org [199.222.72.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA22329; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: aspivakovsky@iie.org Received: from ccMail by smtp.iie.org (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 0f527080; Thu, 11 Jan 96 10:04:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:02:40 -0500 Message-ID: <0f527080@iie.org> Subject: Re: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Brock: Why not just have the other lists as entries in that one main list? In other words those lists will function as exploder lists for the main list as well as regular mailing lists. Anyone see a potential problem with this? Ari ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED Author: Brock Rozen at internet Date: 1/10/96 6:23 PM Hi, We run a group of lists. We wish to have each person subscribed to the other lists also subscribed to one main list. Basically, anybody who subscribes to list B-G also gets subscribed to list A. Rather than doing this through majordomo, would it be possible to add this to the approve script? Basically, having it send an additional line (or if necessary, another message) subscribing the same person to the list they requested to be subscribed to AS WELL as that one main list. Thanks, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brock Rozen | Internet: brozen@netvoyage.net | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | Check out my homepage at http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | For automated information on various subjects, send an e-mail to my | | Internet address with SEND HELP on the SUBJECT line. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 07:29:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA22346 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mserv1.dl.ac.uk (mserv1.dl.ac.uk [148.79.160.65]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA22339 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from xserv1.dl_sun_server by mserv1.dl.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA13433 (8.6.12/5.3[ref postmaster@dl.ac.uk] for dl.ac.uk from J.F.L.Hopkinson@dl.ac.uk); Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:07:15 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:07:15 GMT Message-Id: <199601111507.PAA13433@mserv1.dl.ac.uk> Received: by xserv1.dl_sun_server (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21355; Thu, 11 Jan 96 15:07:14 GMT From: "J. Hopkinson" To: hugh@FundSERV.COM Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com In-Reply-To: (message from Hugh Ferguson on Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:58:15 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: list aliases Reply-To: J.F.L.Hopkinson@dl.ac.uk Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am wondering if anyone else has seen this on a moderated list. I have a list that is moderated, but somehow, somebody managed to send mail to the list in the form of a subscription request, that got broadcast to the whole list without authorization. Further, by sending to listname-outgoing@whatever.the.domain.is, users were able to broadcast to a moderated list without any approval whatsoever. Needless to say, this is a potentially enormous security hole. I have prevented the latter problem by replacing listname-outgoing with something less obvious, and ensuring that majordomo does not broadcast this in the header when it mails out, but I wanted to know if there was any other way of preventing this -Hugh Ferguson +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Hugh Ferguson | Core-LAN Communications | | H_Ferguson@corelan.com | 2, First Canadian Pl. | | http://www.corelan.com/~hugh/ | Toronto, Ont. | | ph: (416)-362-7378 | M5X 1E5 | | fax: (416)-362-8772 | | +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ 1. I have no suggestions without more information, which you perhaps don't have now.. 2. The -outgoing alias problem is well known, see the FAQ, from which much of the following is taken. The quick fix is (as you suggest) is to rename ..-outgoing to something locally or even list specific and "not obvious". The next change is to remove the -outgoing alias from the main alias for the list, by using an alias of the form: sample: "|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper resend @sample.outgoing" and a file sample.outgoing containing: -l sample -h your.domain.name sample-outgoing , nobody (I believe this may be split over multiple lines, but must contain NO leading blanks on the first line !) This all helps hide the "unobvious" replacement for the -outgoing name in use, but does not address the real problem, which IMHO is that resend should itself expand the subscription list. Such a change would clearly lead to a number of alternative problems, eg that we have got used to doing more fancy things in the -outgoing alias than the simplest: sample-outgoing: :include:/path/to/majordomo/lists/sample such as a reference to the archive alias, or using bulkmail to break up the list of subscribers, and no doubt others. Resend could perhaps be given a parameter that indicated whether to pass the messages to an alias or to expand the subscription list itself, but even this only passes the problem to the administrator rather than solving it. Hope someone can take this argument forward. --Jerry -- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- Jerry Hopkinson e-mail: j.hopkinson@dl.ac.uk Daresbury Laboratory Voice: (+44) 1925 603355 Warrington WA4 4AD Fax: (+44) 1925 603100 UK [May 95] --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 07:59:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA23979 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ARTHUR.RTPTOK.EPA.GOV (arthur.rtptok.epa.gov [134.67.212.29]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA23974 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from RTPMAINHUB-Message_Server by ARTHUR.RTPTOK.EPA.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:00:29 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:39:20 -0500 From: SOPHIA ZANNIS To: majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: what is this list??? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 08:29:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA25079 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.newwave.net (mountain-cad-corp.NorthRoyalton.mci.net [204.70.99.122]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA25072 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from barry.newwave.net (barry.newwave.net [206.99.172.3]) by ns.newwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA25770 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:29:43 -0500 Received: by barry.newwave.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE020.9A808840@barry.newwave.net>; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:30:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01BAE020.9A808840@barry.newwave.net> From: Barry Thaxton To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Reply To Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:30:31 -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm new to majordomo. I've setup a list on my server and it seems to be working. The only complaint I'm getting is with replies. If you reply to a message from the list it goes to the individual not the list. I cannot figure out how to get this to work. Running 1.93 of majordomo. Could really use some help on this. Thanks, Barry From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 10:14:04 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA27085 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 09:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.ray.com (gatekeeper.ray.com [138.125.162.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA27080 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 09:49:59 -0800 (PST) From: Richard_J_McWaters@ccmail.ed.ray.com Received: from localhost (mailer@localhost) by gatekeeper.ray.com (8.6.4/8.6.5) id MAA17368 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:48:28 -0500 Received: from zeus.ed.ray.com by gatekeeper.ray.com; Thu Jan 11 12:47:43 1996 Received: from ccmail.ed.ray.com by ZEUS.ED.RAY.COM (PMDF V4.2-10 #4335) id <01HZVUULPYLC005V8E@ZEUS.ED.RAY.COM>; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:47:39 EST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:39 -0500 (EST) To: Majordomo-users@Greatcircle.com Message-id: <01HZVUUNX9J6005V8E@ZEUS.ED.RAY.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Gregg Graubins wrote: I've correctly installed the appropriate majordomo aliases in my aliases file: The majordomo.cf is all properly set up, and all... When I try sending a verbose messages via sendmail through majordomo, I get the following: echo help | /usr/sbin/sendmail -v majordomo majordomo... aliased to "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo" "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... Connecting to prog... Memory fault "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 139 majordomo-owner... aliased to gregg gregg... Connecting to local... gregg... Sent I also have the same configuration of Perl and am running on HPUX 9.05 The message is a follows: "|/user/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... Connecting to local host (prog)... "|/user/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... Executing "/bin/sh -c /user/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" timeout waiting for input sh: 20668 Bus error "|/user/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 138 owner-majordomo... aliased to mcwaters mcwaters... Connecting to local host (local)... mcwaters... Executing "/bin/rmail -d mcwaters" mcwaters... Sent Postmaster... aliased to mcwaters@ecadhp11.ed.ray.com mcwaters@ecadhp11.ed.ray.com... Connecting to local host (local)... mcwaters@ecadhp11.ed.ray.com... Executing "/bin/rmail -d mcwaters" mcwaters@ecadhp11.ed.ray.com... Sent Does anyone know what is going on? The result is 2 error messages in mail (I am the postmaster and majordomo owner) and a 3rd that is sort of what I want (except none of the variables gets resolved and no lists are shown). From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 10:59:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA28352 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id KAA28347 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from cfg.cfg.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzybz11453; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from p1.cfg.com (p1.cfg.com [192.84.10.11]) by cfg.cfg.com (8.6.11/CFG-950329) with SMTP id KAA11893; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:52:04 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960111185205.43b7aa24@mail.cfg.com> X-Sender: shc@mail.cfg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:52:05 -0800 To: Barry Thaxton From: Steve Caine Subject: Re: Reply To Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 12:30 01/11/96 -0500, you wrote: >If you reply to >a message from the list it goes to the individual not the list. I cannot >figure out how to get this to work. Running 1.93 of majordomo. Could >really use some help on this. I think it's working the way it's supposed to. You might check out the "reply_to" config option. You can use it to put a Reply-To header in outgoing mail with the list address in it. Most lists I know don't do this, though. They leave it up to a person replying to a message to reply either to the author, the list or both depending on their desires. Steve. From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 11:44:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA29225 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from axp14.ams.org (AXP14.AMS.ORG [130.44.1.14]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id LAA29088 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:33:53 -0800 (PST) From: rem@MATH.AMS.ORG Received: from epsilon.ams.org by AXP14.AMS.ORG (PMDF V4.3-10 #7286) id <01HZVYH8E7WG000T1N@AXP14.AMS.ORG>; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by epsilon.ams.org; (5.65/1.1.8.2/12Oct95-1155AM) id AA04920; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:29:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:29:30 -0500 Subject: approve script To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <9601111929.AA04920@epsilon.ams.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Mts: smtp Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi again. Not being a wizard at perl (or majordomo), I am hoping I can get some help from someone out there. I am running digital unix v3.2c on a dec alpha 2100. I have only one list that needs to be moderated and I have a problem when I try to approve a message (it works fine when I approve subscribes). I saved the message to a file and typed this: approve file1 and got this: usage: binmail [-epqbhr] [-f file] or binmail [-d] [-r name] [-h N] user ... Any ideas? Thanks Bob Morse From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 11:59:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA29452 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from balltown.cma.com (balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id LAA29426 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from skipper (welty@skipper.balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.19]) by balltown.cma.com (8.7.1/CMA02) with SMTP id OAA19643; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:52:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <30F56A91.41C67EA6@balltown.cma.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:52:49 -0500 From: richard welty Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Caine CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Reply To References: <2.2.16.19960111185205.43b7aa24@mail.cfg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk *If you reply to a message from the list it goes to the individual not *the list. I cannot figure out how to get this to work. Running 1.93 *of majordomo. Could really use some help on this. *I think it's working the way it's supposed to. ... *Most lists I know don't do this, though. They leave it up to a person *replying to a message to reply either to the author, the list or both *depending on their desires. quite. there are some significant risks associated with setting reply-to to the whole list, particularly if you have Microsoft Mail or Lotus CC:Mail users on your list (those mail systems are particularly prone to hosing lists with bounce messages, causing unfortunate mail loops.) cheers, richard -- me: http://www.balltown.cma.com/~welty/ unofficial SCCA page: http://www.emi.com/~rwelty/scca/ N American Road Race track info: http://www.emi.com/~rwelty/tracks/ From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 12:14:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA29735 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA29727 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id NAA05695 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:01:46 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 11 Jan 1996 13:02:15 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: Reply To To: "majordomo-users" Cc: "Barry Thaxton" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>Reply To From: Barry Thaxton If you reply to a message from the list it goes to the individual not the list. I cannot figure out how to get this to work. Barry, edit your listname.config file and change the "reply-to = " to be the name of your list. From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 12:29:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA29865 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA29860 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id NAA06896 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:11:54 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 11 Jan 1996 13:12:25 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: approve script To: "majordomo-users" Cc: rem@MATH.AMS.ORG X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>approve script From: rem@MATH.AMS.ORG I have a problem when I try to approve a message (it works fine when I approve subscribes). I saved the message to a file and typed this: approve file1 ^^^^^^^^^^^ There are at least a couple of ways to approve a message for a moderated list. One is to simply forward the original message to your list, with the added first line of: approved: Or some may prefer to copy the original message to the clipboard, start a new message to your list, and insert the approved: on the first line of the message. Either way, it's not "approve" - it's approved: From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 12:59:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA00928 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiter.superlink.net (jupiter.superlink.net [204.97.220.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA00916 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.superlink.net (earth.superlink.net [204.97.220.6]) by jupiter.superlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA26463; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:47:58 -0500 Received: from plts.org by earth.superlink.net via ESMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id PAA27079; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:47:48 -0500 Received: (from tal@localhost) by plts.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA21589; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:47:59 -0500 (EST) From: T Limoncelli Message-Id: <199601112047.PAA21589@plts.org> Subject: Re: Majordomo v1.93 Installation Problems To: gregg@wwti.iway.net (Gregg Graubins) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 15:47:58 EST Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: ; from "Gregg Graubins" at Jan 11, 96 3:56 am Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > The majordomo message is *still* processed it looks like (I got a message > back from Majordomo@wwti.iway.net about my 'help' request), but (1) while > it is processing the mail message it takes about 10 seconds (maybe a > little shorter) and (2) causes the above memory fault and writes me a > message. I also checked all permissions on files.... Has anyone else out > there had this problem? (WILL SOMEONE VERIFY THIS THEORY AND ADD IT TO THE FAQ?) memory fault? Sounds like a problem I had and just fixed. --- START OF PROPOSED FAQ ENTRY --- Problem: I get memory fault reports, especially from /bin/sh Majordomo takes forever to process requests. The answer is: Your directory permissions aren't permitting shlock.pl to lock things correctly. In particular, the log file can't be locked. Long story: When installing majordomo, chances are things aren't going to be set up right on the first try. So, majordomo runs, finds an error, and tries to log it. The logging process locks the log, which it can't do since the permissions are set wrong. So, it logs this error. The logging process locks the log, which it can't do since the permissions are set wrong. So, it logs this error. The logging process locks the log... etc. etc. After about 10 zillion iterations of this, perl dies because it runs out of stack space. The shell (for some reason the error is usually reported as coming from /bin/sh) reports a memory fault. The documentation isn't clear about permissions and ownership of the files. It would be great if it listed everything in one place. --- END OF PROPOSED FAQ ENTRY --- You can add the following to the Majordomo distribution if you want: After a day of hacking, I got frustrated enough to write the following script called "mklist". The command "mklist listname" creates all the files/directories needed for the mailing list, checks the permissions on all files and directories (I don't think I missed anything), then outputs the correct entries for /etc/aliases. If you run it and the files/directories already exist, it checks them for proper ownership/group/mode attributes. It doesn't fix things, but it outputs the right commands for you to execute. I haven't written a README for it yet but the source is pretty readable. --tal -- Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.org -- http://mars.superlink.net/user/tal <*> "PGP-Signed email serves no purpose other than to stroke the sender's ego. Do you flash your license and passport to identify yourself when you approach friends for casual conversation?" #!/bin/sh # This is a shell archive (shar 3.21) # made 01/11/1996 20:46 UTC by tal@plts.org # Source directory /home/tal/bin # # existing files WILL be overwritten # # This shar contains: # length mode name # ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------ # 4684 -rwxrwxr-x mklist # if touch 2>&1 | fgrep '[-amc]' > /dev/null then TOUCH=touch else TOUCH=true fi # ============= mklist ============== echo "x - extracting mklist (Text)" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > mklist && X#!/usr/local/bin/perl X X$LISTNAME = shift @ARGV; X$LISTOWNER = "tal"; # who owns the lists X#$WRAPPERBASE = "/var/spool/majordomo/wrapper "; # standard majordomo wrapper X$WRAPPERBASE = "/var/spool/majordomo/run"; # my modified wrapper X X$majordomo_uid = getpwnam( 'majordom' ); # uid of files/dirs X$majordomo_gid = getgrnam( 'majordom' ); # gid of files/dirs X$perm_diro = "0775"; # mode for directories (open) X$perm_dirf = "0770"; # mode for directories (facist) X$perm_fileo = "0664"; # mode for files (open) X$perm_filef = "0660"; # mode for files (facist) X X# X# NOTE: Below I use /etc/majordomo.cf.new, most likely X# X$cf = "/etc/majordomo.cf.new"; # if this isn't my site X#$cf = "/etc/majordomo.cf"; # if this is my site Xeval(`cat $cf`) || die "eval of $cf failed $@"; X X# X# Check our input X# Xdie "Usage: mklist LISTNAME\n" unless length( $LISTNAME ); X X# X# Now do all the work X# X X# Check the base directories X&mkdir( $perm_diro, "$homedir" ); X&mkdir( $perm_diro, "$filedir" ); X&mkdir( $perm_diro, "$listdir" ); X&mkdir( $perm_dirf, "$digest_work_dir" ); X&touch( $perm_fileo, "$log" ); X X# Check the directories needed for this list X&mkdir( $perm_diro, "$filedir/$LISTNAME$filedir_suffix" ); X X# Check the files needs for this list X&touch( $perm_fileo, "$listdir/${LISTNAME}" ); X&touch( $perm_fileo, "$listdir/${LISTNAME}-digest" ); X&store( $perm_filef, "$listdir/${LISTNAME}.passwd", "PASSWORD" ); X&store( $perm_filef, "$listdir/${LISTNAME}-digest.passwd", "PASSWORD" ); X&store( $perm_fileo, "$listdir/${LISTNAME}.info", "Paragraph or so of info\n" ); X&store( $perm_fileo, "$listdir/${LISTNAME}-digest.info", "Lots of paras\n" ); X&mkdir( $perm_dirf, "$digest_work_dir/${LISTNAME}-digest" ); X X# Output the aliases required for this list Xprint <>$fname") || die "Can't create $fname: $!"; close FI; X chown $majordomo_uid, $majordomo_gid, $fname; X chmod oct($perm), $fname; X } X} X Xsub store { X ($perm, $fname, $text) = @_; X#print "DEBUG: create $fname\n"; X if (-f $fname ) { X local($dev,$ino,$mode,$nlink,$uid, X $gid,$rdev,$size,$atime,$mtime,$ctime,$blksize,$blocks) X = stat($fname); X $mode = $mode & 0777; X print "chown $majordomo_uid $fname\n" if $uid != $majordomo_uid; X print "chgrp $majordomo_gid $fname\n" if $gid != $majordomo_gid; X#print "DEBUG: modeof $fname is $mode (want ", oct($perm), ")\n"; X print "chmod $perm $fname\n" if $mode != oct($perm); X } else { X open(FI, ">>$fname") || print die "Can't create $fname: $!"; X print FI $text; close FI; X chown $majordomo_uid, $majordomo_gid, $fname; X chmod oct($perm), $fname; X } X} X SHAR_EOF $TOUCH -am 0108224196 mklist && chmod 0775 mklist || echo "restore of mklist failed" set `wc -c mklist`;Wc_c=$1 if test "$Wc_c" != "4684"; then echo original size 4684, current size $Wc_c fi exit 0 From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 13:44:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA02342 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from web.ce.utk.edu (WEB.CE.UTK.EDU [128.169.72.101]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA02337 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from THORSMOUNTAIN.CE.UTK.EDU by web.ce.utk.edu (5.x/2.8s-UTK.UTCC) id AA20146; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:39:54 -0500 Received: by THORSMOUNTAIN.CE.UTK.EDU with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE044.64C2DCC0@THORSMOUNTAIN.CE.UTK.EDU>; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:46:45 -0500 Message-Id: <01BAE044.64C2DCC0@THORSMOUNTAIN.CE.UTK.EDU> From: James Perry To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Majordomo Archiving Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:46:44 -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am having a large problem with the major domo archinving facilities. Mostly in the Major Domo's ability to find the files that I have archived. I have created a /usr/spool/mail/archive directory. This archive2pl script is working fine and keeping all the archives that have come been received. When I direct majordomo to that directory, it cannot index the files nor can it see the directory. I had it working once on seeing the files, but now it will not. Any suggestions? -James Perry System Admin Division of Distance Learning and Continuing Education University of Tennessee, Knoxville From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 14:44:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA04636 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:40:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from VAX4.CSMC.EDU (VAX4.CSMC.EDU [166.124.40.21]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA04622 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:40:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mark_LoBue%SICU@CCMAIL.CSMC.EDU Received: from ccmail.csmc.edu by CSMC.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #5597) id <01HZVYRINVKW8X8ZYE@CSMC.EDU> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Majordomo Archiving To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <01HZVYRJ9B6Q8X8ZYE@CSMC.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk From majordomo.cf Majordomo will look for "get" and "index" files related to $list in directory "$filedir/$list$filedir_suffix" ..... So, you need to set your archive directory for list "list" to /usr/spool/mail/archive/list then set $filedir = "/usr/spool/mail/archive"; $filedir_suffix = ""; then don't forget to include "/usr/spool/mail/archive/list" in @archive_dirs -Mark ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Majordomo Archiving Author: jperry@web.ce.utk.edu at issvax Date: 1/11/96 2:46 PM I am having a large problem with the major domo archinving facilities. Mostly in the Major Domo's ability to find the files that I have archived. I have created a /usr/spool/mail/archive directory. This archive2pl script is working fine and keeping all the archives that have come been received. When I direct majordomo to that directory, it cannot index the files nor can it see the directory. I had it working once on seeing the files, but now it will not. Any suggestions? -James Perry System Admin Division of Distance Learning and Continuing Education University of Tennessee, Knoxville From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 15:44:06 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA07362 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from wwti.iway.net (wwti.iway.net [198.80.71.50]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id PAA07357 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gregg@localhost) by wwti.iway.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA05991; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:34:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:34:49 -0600 (CST) From: Gregg Graubins To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo v1.93 Installation Problems (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Patrick O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Gregg Graubins wrote: > > > Howdy fellow majordomo users, > > > > I got done installing majordomo 1.93 on my system and am having a > > problem... I've reread the docs several times to make sure I did > > everything correctly, and still can't find out the problem... I'm running > > perl 4.0 Patch level 36. (Revision 1.2). I've correctly installed the > > appropriate majordomo aliases in my aliases file: > > > > # MajorDomo aliases .... > > majordomo: "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo" > > majordom: majordomo-owner > > owner-majordomo: majordomo-owner > > majordomo-owner: gregg > > > > The majordomo.cf is all properly set up, and all... When I try sending a > > verbose messages via sendmail through majordomo, I get the following: > > > > echo help | /usr/sbin/sendmail -v majordomo > > majordomo... aliased to "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo" > > "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... Connecting to prog... > > Memory fault > > "| /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 139 > > majordomo-owner... aliased to gregg > > gregg... Connecting to local... > > gregg... Sent > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The majordomo message is *still* processed it looks like (I got a message > > back from Majordomo@wwti.iway.net about my 'help' request), but (1) while > > it is processing the mail message it takes about 10 seconds (maybe a > > little shorter) and (2) causes the above memory fault and writes me a > > message. I also checked all permissions on files.... Has anyone else out > > there had this problem? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > --- > > Gregg Graubins > > Whitewater Technologies, Inc. > > What's your hardware/OS platform? Some systems require > perl 5.000m. > > -pat oops, I meant to include that in my original message. :) I'm running BSDI v2.0... --- Gregg Graubins Whitewater Technologies, Inc. From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 16:14:06 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA09441 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from wwti.iway.net (wwti.iway.net [198.80.71.50]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id QAA09423 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gregg@localhost) by wwti.iway.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA06190; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:13:43 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:13:42 -0600 (CST) From: Gregg Graubins To: T Limoncelli cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo v1.93 Installation Problems In-Reply-To: <199601112047.PAA21589@plts.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, T Limoncelli wrote: > > The majordomo message is *still* processed it looks like (I got a message > > back from Majordomo@wwti.iway.net about my 'help' request), but (1) while > > it is processing the mail message it takes about 10 seconds (maybe a > > little shorter) and (2) causes the above memory fault and writes me a > > message. I also checked all permissions on files.... Has anyone else out > > there had this problem? > > (WILL SOMEONE VERIFY THIS THEORY AND ADD IT TO THE FAQ?) > > memory fault? Sounds like a problem I had and just fixed. > > --- START OF PROPOSED FAQ ENTRY --- > > Problem: > I get memory fault reports, especially from /bin/sh > Majordomo takes forever to process requests. > > The answer is: > Your directory permissions aren't permitting shlock.pl to lock > things correctly. In particular, the log file can't be locked. > > Long story: > When installing majordomo, chances are things aren't going to be > set up right on the first try. So, majordomo runs, finds an error, > and tries to log it. > The logging process locks the log, which it can't do since > the permissions are set wrong. So, it logs this error. > The logging process locks the log, which it can't do since > the permissions are set wrong. So, it logs this error. > The logging process locks the log... > etc. etc. > After about 10 zillion iterations of this, perl dies because it runs out > of stack space. The shell (for some reason the error is usually reported > as coming from /bin/sh) reports a memory fault. > > The documentation isn't clear about permissions and ownership of the > files. It would be great if it listed everything in one place. > > --- END OF PROPOSED FAQ ENTRY --- Hmm, it *is* a permission problem. My original directory permissions were: drwxrwxr-x 7 majordom mailings 512 Jan 11 17:42 . drwxrwxr-x 2 majordom mailings 512 Jan 11 00:13 archive drwxrwxr-x 5 majordom mailings 1024 Jan 11 17:41 bin drwxrwxr-x 2 majordom mailings 512 Jan 10 02:55 digest drwxrwxr-x 2 majordom mailings 512 Jan 11 17:31 lists drwxrwxr-x 2 majordom mailings 512 Jan 10 02:59 pubarchives For testing, I made ./bin mode 777. That solved the problem. But, the directory permissions for bin/ *aren't* supposed to be 777, ARE they? I tested my wrapper program with modes 4111, as well as 6111 - User root, group mailings: /usr/local/majordomo/bin: ---s--x--x 1 root mailings 37251 Jan 11 17:26 wrapper ./bin is where I store all majordomo binaries, scripts, and pretty much the main distribution... Any other clues? From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 17:59:13 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA15778 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from user.whc.net (user.whc.net [204.90.111.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA15773 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rpetersen.whc.net by user.whc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3-fjw) with SMTP id SAA05536; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:52:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199601120152.SAA05536@user.whc.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Rick Petersen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:51:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: setup problem Reply-to: rpetersen@WHC.NET X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Just got Majordomo 1.93 set up, and while it appears to process messages correctly, all of the headers in my list have this line: X-Authentication-Warning: www.whc.net: majordom set sender to owner-gsp-l using -f Any help is appreciated. Rick ---Rick Petersen ---El Paso, TX. ---email: rpetersen@whc.net ---WWW: http://www.whc.net/gsp ---CIS: 70255,122 ---MSN: rpetersen From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 19:14:14 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA18761 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiter.superlink.net (jupiter.superlink.net [204.97.220.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA18756 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.superlink.net (earth.superlink.net [204.97.220.6]) by jupiter.superlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA04441; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:12:27 -0500 Received: from plts.org by earth.superlink.net via ESMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id WAA04239; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:12:20 -0500 Received: (from tal@localhost) by plts.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA01906; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: T Limoncelli Message-Id: <199601120312.WAA01906@plts.org> Subject: Re: Majordomo v1.93 Installation Problems To: gregg@wwti.iway.net (Gregg Graubins) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 22:12:28 EST Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: ; from "Gregg Graubins" at Jan 11, 96 6:13 pm Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Hmm, it *is* a permission problem. My original directory permissions were: > > drwxrwxr-x 7 majordom mailings 512 Jan 11 17:42 . > drwxrwxr-x 2 majordom mailings 512 Jan 11 00:13 archive [...] > /usr/local/majordomo/bin: > ---s--x--x 1 root mailings 37251 Jan 11 17:26 wrapper > > ./bin is where I store all majordomo binaries, scripts, and pretty much > the main distribution... > > Any other clues? I'm no expert, but I thought the wrapper should be: owner: daemon group-owner: same as the group-owner of the directories One thing you might to is "su" to the user that the wrapper runs under and make sure it can get to the files and directories it needs to (including the majordomo program itself) --tal -- Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.org -- http://mars.superlink.net/user/tal <*> "PGP-Signed email serves no purpose other than to stroke the sender's ego. Do you flash your license and passport to identify yourself when you approach friends for casual conversation?" From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 19:59:14 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA19103 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from camlaw.rutgers.edu (camlaw.rutgers.edu [128.6.180.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA19097 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tomryan@localhost) by camlaw.rutgers.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA01334; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:51:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:51:01 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Ryan To: Barry Thaxton cc: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: Reply To In-Reply-To: <01BAE020.9A808840@barry.newwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Modify listname.config and modify the reply_to line to include the address of the list. Tom On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Barry Thaxton wrote: > I'm new to majordomo. I've setup a list on my server and it seems to be > working. The only complaint I'm getting is with replies. If you reply to > a message from the list it goes to the individual not the list. I cannot > figure out how to get this to work. Running 1.93 of majordomo. Could > really use some help on this. > > Thanks, > > Barry > > From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 20:02:22 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA19081 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca [205.206.207.101]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA19076 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.206.207.30] by hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA21766; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:51:14 -0500 Message-Id: <30F5DAEE.50D5@harte-lyne.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:52:14 -0500 From: "James B. Byrne" Organization: Harte & Lyne Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo Users Mailing list Subject: Majordomo installation woes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The following are two messages returned by majordomo when a subscription request is processed. I have run the mklist script so generously contributed to this list today and have followed its recommendations faithfully. I am still getting this error. -------- beginning of included text --------- Subject: Majordomo results: (no subject) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:01:28 -0500 From: Majordomo@hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca To: byrnejb@hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca -- >>>> subscribeSucceeded. Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:02:24 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Out of memory! 554 "|/opt/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo -l pacwar"... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from [205.206.207.30] by hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA21692; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:01:24 -0500 Return-Path: Message-Id: <30F5CF40.454F@harte-lyne.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:02:24 -0500 From: "James B. Byrne" Organization: Harte & Lyne Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pacwar-request@hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit subscribe ------- end of included text -------- The session transcript is the line from the aliases file for pacwar-request. My system is an HP3000/842 running HP-UX 9.04. We have Perl 5m installed. I have read and re-read the faq. All file and directory permissions are set as specified by the instructions and as confirmed by the mklist script. The aliases appear to be correct. Sendmail.cf has option d set to background (Odbackground). The following are other symptoms: a. The log file is not being written to. b. list.info is not being sent to new subscribers c. pacwar is having the subscribers added and deleted. I have been banging my head against this particular wall for about 18 hours now. Can anyone tell me what I am missing to get this thing to work? Regards, Jim From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 20:59:14 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA20911 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiter.superlink.net (jupiter.superlink.net [204.97.220.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA20906 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.superlink.net (earth.superlink.net [204.97.220.6]) by jupiter.superlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA06485; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:48:26 -0500 Received: from plts.org by earth.superlink.net via ESMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id XAA06124; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:48:21 -0500 Received: (from tal@localhost) by plts.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA04040; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:48:32 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Limoncelli Message-Id: <199601120448.XAA04040@plts.org> Subject: Re: Majordomo installation woes To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca (James B. Byrne) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 23:48:32 EST Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <30F5DAEE.50D5@harte-lyne.ca>; from "James B. Byrne" at Jan 11, 96 10:52 pm Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Here's another tip: Feed a message to the wrapper directly: 1. Create a fake mail message: # cat >/tmp/mes From tal Thu Dec 28 09:56:31 1995 From: tal subscribe test ^D 2. Now lets feed it to the program directly: plts.org# egrep ^majordomo: /etc/aliases majordomo: "|/var/spool/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" plts.org# /var/spool/majordomo/wrapper majordomo "PGP-Signed email serves no purpose other than to stroke the sender's ego. Do you flash your license and passport to identify yourself when you approach friends for casual conversation?" From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 21:44:14 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id VAA23698 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from digital.netvoyage.net (digital.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA23647 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from digital.netvoyage.net (digital.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.10]) by digital.netvoyage.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA29442; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:35:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:35:15 -0800 (PST) From: Brock Rozen To: "J. Hopkinson" cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED In-Reply-To: <199601111325.NAA04715@mserv1.dl.ac.uk> Message-ID: X-URL: http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, J. Hopkinson wrote: > Brock Rozen Internet: brozen@netvoyage.net writes: > > We run a group of lists. We wish to have each person subscribed to the > other lists also subscribed to one main list. Basically, anybody who > subscribes to list B-G also gets subscribed to list A. > > Rather than doing this through majordomo, would it be possible to add > this to the approve script? Basically, having it send an additional line > (or if necessary, another message) subscribing the same person to the > list they requested to be subscribed to AS WELL as that one main list. > > Thanks, > > > Rather than subscribe a user to each list, wouldn't you do better to > modify the the alias of list-A to read something like: > > list-A-outgoing: :include:/path/to/lists/list-A, :include:/path/to/lists/list-B, > :include:/path/to/lists/list-C, ... > > Done this way, I believe sendmail will even ignore duplicates of names Even as such, some of our subscribers do NOT want to receive list-a, and we remove them from that list manually...but on the whole, we want to automatically subscribe all subscribers to list-a, and if need be, remove them manually later. While duplicates no longer seems to be an issue, the one mentioned above does... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brock Rozen | Internet: brozen@netvoyage.net | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | Check out my homepage at http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | For automated information on various subjects, send an e-mail to my | | Internet address with SEND HELP on the SUBJECT line. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 11 23:44:14 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA01962 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pci.on.ca (inti.pci.on.ca [199.0.18.51]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id XAA01946 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by pci.on.ca (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Fri, 12 Jan 96 02:38 EST Received: (from dgilbert@localhost) by repeat.pci.on.ca (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA20825; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:27:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:27:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601120427.XAA20825@repeat.pci.on.ca> From: David Gilbert To: jaywon!greatcircle.com!majordomo-users Subject: NetBSD vapour mail. Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The system: Sun4/260-netbsd1.1 and perl-4.036. I'm running sendmail8.7.3 and the system works fine with hand administered lists. The problem: mail sent to |/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend dissappears without a trace. The sendmail log says that it called the program without complaint. There is no syslog entry out of order. There is no log of the transaction whatsoever in the majordomo log. Now, when I send mail to the majordomo alias, I get the appropriate help file. It logs this properly in it's log and nothing is amiss. Any ideas? Dave. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |David Gilbert, PCI, Richmond Hill, Ontario. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dgilbert@pci.on.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://www.pci.on.ca/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | ---------------------------------------------------------GLO---------------- From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 12 03:14:15 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id DAA12657 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from wwti.iway.net (wwti.iway.net [198.80.71.50]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id DAA12652 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gregg@localhost) by wwti.iway.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA18824; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 05:07:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 05:07:21 -0600 (CST) From: Gregg Graubins To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: PROBLEM Solved! :) Majordomo v1.93 Problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I must apologize to everyone for hassling with my silly problem about my "Memory Fault"'s... :) It seemed like I recompiled the wrapper program incorrectly. Forgot a tiny little part in the Makefile. Maybe someone wants to write up a quick FAQ and add it in? (Just reply to me :>) --- Gregg Graubins Whitewater Technologies, Inc. From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 12 03:29:15 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id DAA12701 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from quadstone.co.uk (quadstone.quadstone.co.uk [194.80.190.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id DAA12696 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from murrayfield.quadstone.co.uk by quadstone.co.uk id aa14708; 12 Jan 96 11:09 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:09:19 GMT Message-Id: <4333.199601121109@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-reply-to: richard welty's message of Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:52:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Reply To From: Evan Welsh References: <2.2.16.19960111185205.43b7aa24@mail.cfg.com> <30F56A91.41C67EA6@balltown.cma.com> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk richard welty writes: welty> quite. there are some significant risks associated with setting welty> reply-to to the whole list, particularly if you have Microsoft Mail or welty> Lotus CC:Mail users on your list (those mail systems are particularly welty> prone to hosing lists with bounce messages, causing unfortunate mail welty> loops.) I don't set reply-to but I have a related problem, which is that a minority of subscribers to one of my lists reply to the list owner by default. I don't know if this is because the Sender field has the list owner in it or what, but their mail readers definitely ignore the From line with the sender's name on it and use Sender instead. At least some of them (possibly all) are using Microsoft Mail. Is this a known problem? Is there a solution? -- ####################################################################### # Evan Welsh Quadstone Ltd # # http://www.quadstone.co.uk/~evan/ +44 (0)131 220 4491 # ####################################################################### From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 12 03:44:16 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id DAA13225 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from wwti.iway.net (wwti.iway.net [198.80.71.50]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id DAA13220 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gregg@localhost) by wwti.iway.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA19049; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 05:36:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 05:36:44 -0600 (CST) From: Gregg Graubins To: T Limoncelli cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo v1.93 Installation Problems In-Reply-To: <199601120312.WAA01906@plts.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, T Limoncelli wrote: > > /usr/local/majordomo/bin: > > ---s--x--x 1 root mailings 37251 Jan 11 17:26 wrapper > > > > ./bin is where I store all majordomo binaries, scripts, and pretty much > > the main distribution... > > I'm no expert, but I thought the wrapper should be: > owner: daemon > group-owner: same as the group-owner of the directories It actually depends on whether or not your system is POSIX. Which, in my case, I'd have to suid it to root. I got it all fixed tho. Works like a charm now. Thanks --- Gregg Graubins Whitewater Technologies, Inc. From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 12 06:59:15 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA18300 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from unilab.dfci.harvard.edu (unilab.dfci.harvard.edu [155.52.46.57]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id GAA18295 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by unilab.dfci.harvard.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) id JAA04565; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:47:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:47:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601121447.JAA04565@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> From: Richard Pieri To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: Evan Welsh's message of Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:09:19 GMT Subject: Re: Reply To References: <2.2.16.19960111185205.43b7aa24@mail.cfg.com> <30F56A91.41C67EA6@balltown.cma.com> <4333.199601121109@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "EW" == Evan Welsh writes: EW> Is this a known problem? "Sender:" is not guaranteed to contain a valid address (RFC822). Any MUA that thinks it will is broken, and there are unfortunately several in moderately significant usage, including Microsoft Mail. EW> Is there a solution? Fix the broken MUAs such that they do the right thing and send replies to the From: header. Better still, fix them to do that and distinguish between a "reply to originator" and "reply-all/followup to list". -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMPZ0WZ6VRH7BJMxHAQGZ/QP8CQpossIyQLy7w+XBmYEWCpXjacC41N3O 3iR2wsKbTKDYkQ1l0PS2Y5JTx/mkuHIYIyyVZ94uf1GJjyYXUfcIeWOCU9gPgEzB T/kt/vrkEMIkOfCr0EIj6N3YQk5gNBRrD8NaTiMsEhcbs03DFl4MSdBJ1NjoZgnT HfrNjPgrfGM= =1Qag -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ When eating out, think nothing of sending \ back your meal twenty or thirty times. -A http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/~ratinox \ cat's guide to life From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 12 07:14:15 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA18854 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ncn.com ([199.101.8.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA18849 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from dial.chemek.cc.or.us (garyslip.chemek.cc.or.us [199.101.8.150]) by mail.ncn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA16347 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:15:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199601121515.HAA16347@mail.ncn.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Gary Halleen" Organization: Network Connect Northwest To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:10:16 +0800 Subject: Problem Installing 1.93 Reply-to: gary@ncn.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm attempting to install Majordomo 1.93 on a BSDI 2.0 system. I get the following error when sending 'help' to majordomo... majordomo... aliased to "/usr/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo" "/usr/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo"... Can't create output: Permission denied Does anyone know what I've done wrong? From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 12 07:44:16 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA19821 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA19813 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id IAA07314 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:34:04 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 12 Jan 1996 08:34:53 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: Problem Installing 1.93 To: "majordomo-users" Cc: gary@ncn.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>Problem Installing 1.93 From: gary@ncn.com I'm attempting to install Majordomo 1.93 on a BSDI 2.0 system. I get the following error when sending 'help' to majordomo... majordomo... aliased to "/usr/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo" "/usr/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo"... Can't create output: Permission denied Does anyone know what I've done wrong? Is your majordomo alias similar to: majordomo-god: majordomo:"| /home/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo:majordomo-god majordomo-owner:majordomo-god It could also be that you are not piping the alias. From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 12 11:29:16 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA26947 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.newwave.net (mountain-cad-corp.NorthRoyalton.mci.net [204.70.99.122]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA26940 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from barry.newwave.net (barry.newwave.net [206.99.172.3]) by ns.newwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA19027 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:33:54 -0500 Received: by barry.newwave.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE103.70153720@barry.newwave.net>; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:34:18 -0500 Message-ID: <01BAE103.70153720@barry.newwave.net> From: Barry Thaxton To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: reply to still won't work Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:34:16 -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the suggestions, but is still does not work. In my list.config file my reply to reads: reply_to = list@newwave.net This seems to have no effect. Any other thoughts? Barry From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 12 12:14:17 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA29525 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA29520 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id NAA11456 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:09:02 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 12 Jan 1996 13:09:23 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: reply to still won't wo To: "majordomo-users" Cc: "Barry Thaxton" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>>reply to still won't work Barry, "reply-to" is a resend function. Check to see if your list alias is using resend, as in the following: listname:"|/home/majordomo wrapper resend -l listname -h hostname \ listname-outgoing" From: Barry Thaxton Thanks for all the suggestions, but is still does not work. In my list.config file my reply to reads: reply_to = list@newwave.net From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 12 15:29:22 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA12774 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ncn.com ([199.101.8.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA12769 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from www (www.chemek.cc.or.us [199.101.8.101]) by mail.ncn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA21672 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:26:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:26:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199601122326.PAA21672@mail.ncn.com> X-Sender: gary@bytor.ncn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Gary Halleen Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've installed majordomo-1.93 on my BSDI 2.0 computer, and have made progress, but now see this error: I've checked ownership of the directories, and they APPEAR to be correct... ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list open of temp file /usr/home/majordom/lists/shlock.2543 failed Permission denied ABORT open of temp file /usr/home/majordom/lists/shlock.2543 failed Permission denied at /usr/home/majordom/majordomo.pl line 209, <> line 1. 554 "|/usr/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 2 From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 14 07:10:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA29279 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 07:09:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp1-b.netcom.com [163.179.3.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA29274 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 07:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from satterwh.netcom.com by netcomsv.netcom.com with SMTP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id HAA27210; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 07:07:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199601141507.HAA27210@netcomsv.netcom.com> X-Sender: satterwh@netcom10.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 09:07:56 -0600 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Michael Satterwhite Subject: Anonymous Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a majordomo mailing list which is not allowing me to do a "who" command. When I try this, I receive the message "List xxxx is an anonymous list" "The who command is not allowed for this list". It is a closed list. Private_who = no Munge_domain = yes Can anyone offer me some help on this one? TIA ---Michael Owner: yes-list@eskimo.com Youth in Entertainment and Sports http://www.eskimo.com/~satterwh From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 14 18:19:39 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA10589 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from zot.allware.com (zot.allware.com [204.176.136.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA02952 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from zot.allware.com by zot.allware.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #7) id m0taV2U-00019BC; Thu, 11 Jan 96 17:00 EST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jack Downing To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: unsubscribing duplicate list members Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk A client of ours is attempting to unsubscribe from his list a name that appears twice on that list. Using the command "approve passwd unsubscribe listname joe@usa.com" ..he receives the error message: FAILED: matches multiple list members What is the solution to this problem or where can I read up on it? Thanks, Jack S. Downing AllWare Internet From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 14 18:25:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA10744 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.eskimo.com (mail.eskimo.com [204.122.16.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id UAA21358 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from eskimo.com (jimo@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA00720; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:56:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Osborn Received: by eskimo.com (8.7.3) id UAA18787; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:56:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:56:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601120456.UAA18787@eskimo.com> To: mcook@ecunet.org Subject: Re: Unsubscribing Complex Address Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >Do a who command, find his address, and unsubscribe using that >exact form (as found in the who command). Does that work? Nope. That what's so mysterious - I'm trying to unsubscribe exactly what "who" tells me his address is. Unfortunately, I don't have write permission (or even read permission) on the address file within the bowels of majordomo, or I'd just edit the file as per the first suggestion. Apparently "who" and "unsubscribe" use different algorithms in handling the addresses. jimo@eskimo.com From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 14 18:27:36 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA10354 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from outsider.bolis.sf-bay.org (bolis.isp.net [204.153.195.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id WAA03701; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hock.bolis.sf-bay.org by outsider.bolis.sf-bay.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0taGUE-00042fC; Wed, 10 Jan 96 22:27 PST Received: from amillar by hock.bolis.sf-bay.org with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0taGGB-000UrbC; Wed, 10 Jan 96 22:13 PST Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alan Millar" Organization: The Bolis Group To: Brock Rozen , majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:17:03 -800 Subject: Re: Approve Script - FEATURE SUGGESTED X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > > We run a group of lists. We wish to have each person subscribed to the > > > other lists also subscribed to one main list. Basically, anybody who > > > subscribes to list B-G also gets subscribed to list A. > > So just subscribe listB-outgoing, listC-outgoing, etc to listA > > and forget about the rest. > > A few problems I see with this. One, we DO allow people who do NOT want > to receive the main list to unsubscribe from this. They would NOT have > that option under this. That's true. > Two, some people would receive duplicates. > Considering we have THOUSANDS (over five thousand) of subscribers, that > would add CONSIDERABLE work on the system and would result in unneeded > inconveniences to be added to our readers. No, it wouldn't. The only reason I bothered to post was to tell you how to do it without producing such duplicates. (I assume that you are using sendmail or smail; other transports may produce duplicates no matter what). Here's how it works: - If you subscribe "listB" to listA, you WILL get duplicates. - If you subscribe "listB-outgoing" to listA, you will NOT get duplicates. That's how it works. Honest. - Alan ---- Alan Millar amillar@bolis.SF-Bay.org System Administrator http://www.bolis.com Reason notwithstanding, the universe continues unabated. From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 14 18:28:46 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA10975 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id IAA20978 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:05:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from rssi.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzyfg10882; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from shovel.rssi.com by rssi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23874; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:04:14 -0500 Received: by shovel.rssi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA06680; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:02:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:02:26 -0500 From: jdcuddy@rssi.rssi.com (James Cuddy) Message-Id: <199601121602.LAA06680@shovel.rssi.com> Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: m5jPT3gS3XDXUnP7Az8p6Q== Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi I installed majordomo 1.93 a few days ago and I have got it to the point where it sends me back the following forwarded message, it also sends me the correct "help" reply that I am looking for. I have read the FAQ and README and still can't figure out what is going on. It also references user UID 54 which I have no idea were that comes from. I have seen others struglling with simular problems and was wondering if someone has a solution. Thanks in advance....... ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- >From Mailer-Daemon@rssi.com Fri Jan 12 10:45:42 1996 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 To: The original message was received at Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:39:45 -0500 from shovel [198.3.220.12] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list Who are you?: Bad file number Out of memory! 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: Received: from shovel.rssi.com by rssi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA22054; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:39:45 -0500 Received: by shovel.rssi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA06669; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:37:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:37:57 -0500 From: jdcuddy@rssi (James Cuddy) Message-Id: <199601121537.KAA06669@shovel.rssi.com> To: majordomo@rssi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: I3jkbMhvjqThV9qfc1TWcA== content-length: 5 help ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 14 18:40:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA12468 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.cedarnet.org (www.cedarnet.org [206.29.224.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA12461 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ryhpc by www.cedarnet.org via SMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id UAA22440; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:25:21 -0600 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:25:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199601150225.UAA22440@www.cedarnet.org> X-Sender: rh10023@www.cedarnet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Ronald Hahm Subject: Archive Problems Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have been unsuccessful in trying to get archiving implemented. I thought I have followed the dirctions in the archive2.pl file but I still can not get this to work. Here is an example of the mail message I get. >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 00:56:17 GMT >From: Mail Delivery Subsystem >To: owner-cedarnet-announce-outgoing@www.cedarnet.org >Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 > >The original message was received at Mon, 15 Jan 1996 00:56:05 GMT >from majordom@localhost > > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- >"|/opt/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /home/opt/majordomo/lists/my-list.archive/my-list -m -a" (unrecoverable error) > (expanded from: my-list) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >Invalid archive directory. Aborting. > >ABORT Invalid archive directory. Aborting. >554 "|/opt/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /home/opt/majordomo/lists/my-list.archive/my-list -m -a"... unknown mailer error 2 >Message delivered to mailing list owner-my-list-outgoing > Here is am example on how my alias entry is for the mail list. # # my-list mailing list # owner-my-list: my-list-owner my-list: "|/opt/majordomo/wrapper resend `/bin/cat /opt/majordomo/lists/my-list.resend` my-list-outgoing" my-list-owner: hahm my-list-approval: my-list-owner my-list-outgoing: :include:/opt/majordomo/lists/my-list, my-list-archive owner-my-list-outgoing: my-list-owner my-list-archive:"|/opt/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /home/opt/majordom o/lists/my-list.archive/my-list -m -a" my-list-request: "|/opt/majordomo/wrapper request-answer my-list" owner-my-list-request: my-list-owner Can anyone give me suggestions I just cannot figure out what I have done wrong. Thanks in Advance, --- Ronald Hahm E-Mail Address: rh10023@cedarnet.org From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 04:10:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id EAA29961 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from fprefect.sccsi.com (fprefect.sccsi.com [198.65.133.222]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id EAA29956 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fprefect@localhost) by fprefect.sccsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA02369; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:04:27 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:04:27 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Young To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Majordomo-1.93 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Well, after many trials, tribulations, much swearing, caffeine, and nicotine, *grin* I got Majordomo-1.93 up and running on my little box here. Since I got it running, everything seems to be working smoothly, save one thing. I have a pair of lists I want to keep hidden. We'll call them lista and listb. I've edited both the lista.config and listb.config to include the expression /.*/ under noadvertise. However: Only listb remains hidden. No matter what I do, lista will not go hidden, unless I hide a list that precedes it alphabetically in the directory (ie: 1lista). While I doubt this is an OS-related problem, here's the details: Linux Slackware 3.0 ELF Running kernel v 1.2.13 Majordomo 1.93 Perl 5.001m (hope there's enough 00's there.) Everything else about the two lists functions fine, including the archiving (which took a little doing, permission problems.) I'd appreciate it if anyone could offer a little assistance, or show me which section of the faq I overlooked (Hey, it happens!). Thanks! From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 04:40:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id EAA00658 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from bastion1.bazis.nl (bastion1.bazis.nl [130.78.143.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id EAA00653 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from bazu05.bazis.nl by bastion1.bazis.nl id aa25064; 15 Jan 96 13:28 WET Subject: Sco Unix - mmdf problem To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:28:34 +0100 (WET) From: Ray Vermey X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601151328.aa08827@bazu05.bazis.nl> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello Folks! I am Ray Vermey and I am new to this list. I have installed majordomo om our Sco Unix machine. I followed all the steps in de ora doc but mjd does noet function correct yet. When I send a help mail to majordomo i get the following answer: =============================================================================== Found bad address in alias 'majordomo'. (Authorization problem with valid address) The alias was '"majordom|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"'. There were problems with: "majordom|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo" The remaining addresses in the alias were used for submission. =============================================================================== and: =============================================================================== Trouble sending mail on bazu05.bazis.nl: ============ Transcript follows ============ (NAUTH) Bad authorization: sender 'rvermey' not authorized to send to address 'majordom' : send queries to POSTMASTER Submit error: [ No such file or directory ] No valid addresses ============== Message follows ============= From: rvermey@bazis.nl (Raymond Vermey) X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: majordomo Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 12:00:39 WET help =============================================================================== These two messages are the result of the 'help' message. I use MMDF (not sendmail) and I used 'mail' as the agent in the config file. Does anyone have an idea here ??? Thanx a bunch!! Ray -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ray Vermey - Hiscom B.V. | Systemmanager Unix Systems |WWW Homepage: Schipholweg 97 |//www.bazis.nl/personal/rvermey/Welcome 2316 XA Leiden | The Netherlands |Terranova @ DICS (dds.dds.nl) Phone: +31 71 5256696 |Terranova @ FICS (caissa.onenet.net) Fax : +31 71 5216675 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 05:25:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA01414 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 05:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA01407 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 05:18:56 -0800 (PST) From: JRPSenft@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA23584 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:18:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: <960115081800_116921296@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: In Search Of: the right MLM and Provider Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk hello everyone, I'm in analysis mode here ... please help! My Goal is to setup a Mailing List for an independent musical group. It will basically be a discussion forum for their fans. I am looking for a Provider of a Reliable, Affordable, Easy-to-use solution and would appreciate recommendations on Mailing List Management Software and of a MTM Provider. I've narrowed the MTM selection down to ListServ and Majordomo, so I'm sending this note to both the ListServ Owner's group: LSTOWN-L ("LISTSERV@searn.suner.se") to and to Majordomo Users ("Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com") If there's another group I should send this note, please let me know! Required Volume? The band's current paper mailing list has a subscription of approximately 10,000 people. I don't know how many are electronically enabled, but I expect hundreds will initially subscribe and it will grow to a couple of thousand within a year. Required Features? (just the 'basics', really ...) - For subscribers: easy way to Subscribe/Unsubscribe, obtain Digest version, get instructions on how to use it, etc. - For owner (me): easy way to Moderate the list (at least initially), solid error handling for incorrectly written or sent e-mails, etc. Price-wise, I'm not sure what to expect to pay for that Volume and those Features, and I've found big differences (so far): - Majordomo: I've looked into "POBOX" a little. They'll setup a list and I'll use their web interface to manage list options. They'll charge me $50 a year. - ListServ: I've looked around my local area (Central Connecticut) and have found only a few providers ... One of them will setup a list using ListServ and I'll be charged $20 a Month ($240 a year) and that was the lowest cost provider. I'd appreciate any private replies regarding ListServ and Majordomo. I'm most interested in why you think one is 'better' than the other (features, easy or use, reliability, etc., etc., etc.) AND I'm very interested in finding an 'affordable' Mailing List Provider. thanks very much!, John Senft. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 06:40:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA06214 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from accesspt.com (eor.accesspt.com [204.253.19.9]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA06209 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:39:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nazan@localhost) by accesspt.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA00887 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:39:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:39:05 -0500 From: Nazan Basol Message-Id: <199601151439.JAA00887@accesspt.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: lint Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I need "lint" for linux to install inn. Where can I find source for lint? Could you help me Thanks, Nazan nazan@accesspt.com From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 07:40:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA07859 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mistral.wetter.imasy.or.jp (mistral.wetter.imasy.or.jp [202.227.25.49]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id HAA07850 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.227.25.50] (tornado.wetter.imasy.or.jp [202.227.25.50]) by mistral.wetter.imasy.or.jp (8.7.3/3.4W3-mistral-95112323) with SMTP id AAA26058; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 00:19:02 +0900 (JST) X-Sender: ichiro@mistral.wetter.imasy.or.jp Message-Id: X-Mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3-J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 00:19:29 +0900 To: Nazan Basol From: ichiro@wetter.imasy.or.jp (Ichiro Hukuhara) Subject: Re: lint Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >Hi, >I need "lint" for linux to install inn. >Where can I find source for lint? Could you help me >Thanks, >Nazan >nazan@accesspt.com Hello, Most user don't need "lint" when install inn. link to echo. ----------------- Research Institute of Waste Management Environmental Cleansing Project Bureau HUKUHARA, Ichiro ichiro@wetter.imasy.or.jp http://www.wetter.imasy.or.jp/~ichiro From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 07:43:18 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA08003 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:24:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from campus.rzs.itesm.mx (campus.rzs.itesm.mx [132.254.3.7]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA07994 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by campus.rzs.itesm.mx (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33268; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:17:55 -0600 From: "Ing. Arturo Castro" Message-Id: <9601150917.ZM16882@campus.rzs.itesm.mx> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:17:54 -0600 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi: I've had some problems to run majordomo out of my system. When i send mail to majordomo from the same system everything is fine, but when i try to send it from another system it doesn't work and it return a messages as follows: --- The transcript of the session follows --- sh: 27553 Killed 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... Unknown mailer error 137 Any idea...? Thanks. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ing. Arturo Castro acastro@campus.rzs.itesm.mx Sistemas Tel.- +52 (5) 326-59-81 & 87 Direccion de Innovacion Tecnologica Fax.- +52 (5) 326-59-97 ITESM - Rectoria Zona Sur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 07:46:02 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA07990 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:23:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from campus.rzs.itesm.mx (campus.rzs.itesm.mx [132.254.3.7]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA07985 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by campus.rzs.itesm.mx (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33254; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:16:39 -0600 From: "Ing. Arturo Castro" Message-Id: <9601150916.ZM9444@campus.rzs.itesm.mx> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:16:38 -0600 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Somebody help me! Cc: majordomo-owner@gratcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi: I've had some problems to run majordomo out of my system. When i send mail to majordomo from the same system everything is fine, but when i try to send it from another system it doesn't work and it return a messages as follows: --- The transcript of the session follows --- sh: 27553 Killed 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... Unknown mailer error 137 Any idea...? Thanks. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ing. Arturo Castro acastro@campus.rzs.itesm.mx Sistemas Tel.- +52 (5) 326-59-81 & 87 Direccion de Innovacion Tecnologica Fax.- +52 (5) 326-59-97 ITESM - Rectoria Zona Sur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 08:36:02 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA09430 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from dps.sdsu.edu (dps.sdsu.edu [130.191.69.51]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA09407; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:57:06 -0800 (PST) From: Glen X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com, rvermey@bazis.nl Subject: SCO UNIX MMDF Solution Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 7:55:57 PST Message-ID: <9601150755.aa18560@dps.sdsu.edu> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In his message, Ray said: From: Ray Vermey Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:28:34 +0100 (WET) Hello Folks! I am Ray Vermey and I am new to this list. I have installed majordomo om our Sco Unix machine. I followed all the steps in de ora doc but mjd does noet function correct yet. When I send a help mail to majordomo i get the following answer: Found bad address in alias 'majordomo'. (Authorization problem with valid address) The alias was '"majordom|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"'. The problem here is a configuration file with MMDF. MMDF is refusing to allow you to send to a pipe (or file) because that is considered a security violation. The solution is to edit the /usr/mmdf/mmdftailor file. You must do this as the mmdf user, so use "su" to go to root, then "su - mmdf" to become mmdf. Use your favorite editor to find the line in mmdftailor which looks like: ALIAS table=alias, nobypass or ALIAS table=alias-n, nobypass and add the keyword "trusted" to it, so it looks like: ALIAS table=alias, nobypass, trusted or ALIAS table=alias-n, nobypass, trusted then, rebuild your MMDF database by changing to the table subdirectory and running dbmbuild: % cd table % ./dbmbuild -nv After that you should have no problems! Email me if you need further help or info. Glen glen@sdsu.edu From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 08:55:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA11764 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from metrobeat01 (metrobeat01.IConNet.NET [199.173.162.171]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA11750 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:43:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.42.130.40] by metrobeat01 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23033; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:49:26 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:54:53 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: mark@metrobeat01.metrobeat.com (Mark Davies) Subject: Freelance help installing majordomo Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm looking for someone to set up majordomo on my Sparc5. I have some simple needs in terms of mailing lists, and need ongoing help and support. Please Email-me if your interested/experienced. Thanks, Mark Davies. mark@metrobeat.com From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 09:10:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA11210 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.org [140.174.78.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA11196; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from attitude.queernet.org by queernet.queernet.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tbrqM-000D4UC; Mon, 15 Jan 96 08:33 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960115163112.0156b868@queernet.org> X-Sender: rogerk@queernet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:31:12 -0800 To: loren@hops.wharton.upenn.edu From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Subject: Re: Desireable changes to maillist programs Cc: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk (Fixing an address typo...) At 10:58 AM 1/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >Chan writes: >> Uh, Majordomo already does this. Turn "administravia" on for the >> desired list, and it will catch those messages before they go out to >> the list. > >This is sort of true. If the word "help" is anywhere in the first four >lines of the message, or any other "administrative" word, then the >message gets bounced to the list owner. It does not automatically >process subscribe and unsubscribe requests sent to the list, as Wade >suggested. I agree with Wade that this would be a good thing. So if someone sends a message that says "I'm so mad at Newsweek I'm going to unsubscribe" you want them removed from the list, without your even seeing the original erroneous request? The current standards (-request address, for instance) and tools (filtering instead of auto-perocessing) are the result of a set of policies that are intended to make it possible to edicate users, then do the right thing when they do the right thing. Merging everything into a single address only complicates processing; automating possibly-erroneous processing only complicates the lives of users who ARE doing the right thing. If you're not willing to (a) educate mistaken users and (b) take the burden of greater work on yourself instead of on users who are doing the right thing, you don't really need to be running a list. --- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 09:16:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA11184 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.queernet.org [140.174.78.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA11170 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:33:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from attitude.queernet.org by queernet.queernet.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tbrpr-000D4UC; Mon, 15 Jan 96 08:32 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960115163040.01531d6c@queernet.org> X-Sender: rogerk@queernet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:30:40 -0800 To: loren@hops.wharton.upenn.edu From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Subject: Re: Desireable changes to maillist programs Cc: majordomo-workers@greratcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 10:58 AM 1/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >Chan writes: >> Uh, Majordomo already does this. Turn "administravia" on for the >> desired list, and it will catch those messages before they go out to >> the list. > >This is sort of true. If the word "help" is anywhere in the first four >lines of the message, or any other "administrative" word, then the >message gets bounced to the list owner. It does not automatically >process subscribe and unsubscribe requests sent to the list, as Wade >suggested. I agree with Wade that this would be a good thing. So if someone sends a message that says "I'm so mad at Newsweek I'm going to unsubscribe" you want them removed from the list, without your even seeing the original erroneous request? The current standards (-request address, for instance) and tools (filtering instead of auto-perocessing) are the result of a set of policies that are intended to make it possible to edicate users, then do the right thing when they do the right thing. Merging everything into a single address only complicates processing; automating possibly-erroneous processing only complicates the lives of users who ARE doing the right thing. If you're not willing to (a) educate mistaken users and (b) take the burden of greater work on yourself instead of on users who are doing the right thing, you don't really need to be running a list. --- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 10:10:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA14062 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.org [140.174.78.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA14057; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from attitude.queernet.org by queernet.queernet.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tbt2B-000D6wC; Mon, 15 Jan 96 09:49 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960115174729.020d2108@queernet.org> X-Sender: rogerk@queernet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:47:29 -0800 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Subject: Apologies Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am so accustomed to compensating for list replies that I mistakenly forwarded Loren's message and my reply to these lists. Sorry to you and Loren. --- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 10:18:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA13956 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.queernet.org [140.174.78.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA13951; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from attitude.queernet.org by queernet.queernet.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tbsxu-000D6wC; Mon, 15 Jan 96 09:45 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960115174304.01a147f8@queernet.org> X-Sender: rogerk@queernet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:43:04 -0800 To: loren@hops.wharton.upenn.edu From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Subject: Re: Desireable changes to maillist programs Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 12:12 PM 1/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >> At 10:58 AM 1/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >> >Chan writes: >> >> Uh, Majordomo already does this. Turn "administravia" on for the >> >> desired list, and it will catch those messages before they go out to >> >> the list. >> > >> >This is sort of true. If the word "help" is anywhere in the first four >> >lines of the message, or any other "administrative" word, then the >> >message gets bounced to the list owner. It does not automatically >> >process subscribe and unsubscribe requests sent to the list, as Wade >> >suggested. I agree with Wade that this would be a good thing. >> >> So if someone sends a message that says "I'm so mad at Newsweek I'm >> going to unsubscribe" you want them removed from the list, without your >> even seeing the original erroneous request? > >Nope. > >What I want is that if someone sends a message to the list that says >"please unsubscribe me" or "unsubscribe" and that's all in the first >line then they get unsubbed. And, I don't like the current behavior >of searching through the first four lines of the message for >administrivia. It catches about 90% false positives. The rest of >your ranting is in reaction to the straw man you set up, so I'll >ignore it. I'd say that about 10% of the misaddressed requests I get say "unsubscribe" or "unsubscribe " or "please unsubscribe me"... the vast majority say "i need to unsubscribe from this list" or "I am changing service providers so unsubscribe me" or the ever-popular "just unsubscribe on a line by itself". Your tests would never catch those. Your argument seems to me not unlike: "Many people mistake = for == in C programming, so why not make them equivalent?" People need to learn to use the protocols and standards that exist. As for the "90% false positives" bit: that is known as giving the CORRECT user the benefit of the doubt. It seems to me like you are setting up tools to make life easier for the improperly-behaving user. Education, not sloppiness, is the answer. You can, of course, always do what we do here with misdirected admin requests: ignore them. What would you do with unsubscribe joe@othernode.com His postings are making me nuts! ? --- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 10:25:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA14959 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ASARian.org (ASARian.org [152.52.36.201]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA14943 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:05:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fuzzy@localhost) by ASARian.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA01295; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:03:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) From: Fuzzy To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" cc: loren@hops.wharton.upenn.edu, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Desireable changes to maillist programs In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960115163040.01531d6c@queernet.org> Message-ID: Organization: *fuzzies* and *e-hugs* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:30:40 -0800 > From: Roger B.A. Klorese > To: loren@hops.wharton.upenn.edu > Cc: majordomo-workers@greratcircle.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: Desireable changes to maillist programs > If you're not willing to (a) educate mistaken users and (b) take the > burden of greater work on yourself instead of on users who are doing the > right thing, you don't really need to be running a list. we would like it if the approve script worked tho. we tried to use it send approve subscribe email@address but it keeps telling me that a reply-to: isnt in the text. mail recieved from MD to -approve isnt setup that way, and it fail. one would think the script would know the line wont be in the headers as it, (MD), sent the email in the first place? should it not be using address for that list in .majordomo data file? we wonder what we are doing wrong? we extract the APPROVE email into a file then say: approve ... it reads the file, but says there is no reply-to header and exits? a very fuzzy, fuzzy From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 10:55:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA18423 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from sr1.srnet.com ([206.148.68.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA18418 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from benn@localhost) by sr1.srnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA08389; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:55:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:55:47 -0500 (EST) From: Benn Boulton To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Get and List In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960111185205.43b7aa24@mail.cfg.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have found the error of my ways on making get and list show and send requested files. Benn Boulton From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 12:28:57 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA21698 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sr1.srnet.com ([206.148.68.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA09049 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from benn@localhost) by sr1.srnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA18958; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:51:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:51:34 -0500 (EST) From: Benn Boulton To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Help with get In-Reply-To: <960115081800_116921296@mail02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Can someome point me to the instructions for setting up the get list file function of Majordomo. Benn From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 12:32:11 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA21614 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from esiee.fr (hp9.esiee.fr [147.215.1.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id EAA29844 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv3.esiee.fr by hp9.esiee.fr with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA019667285; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:01:26 +0100 Posted-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:01:25 +0100 Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:01:26 +0100 Message-Id: <199601151201.AA019667285@hp9.esiee.fr> Received: from 326A (ylang.esiee.fr) by srv3.esiee.fr with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA216415591; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:33:11 +0100 X-Sender: moulino@srv3.esiee.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:37:10 +0100 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Olivier MOULIN Subject: list making trouble Cc: bonnetf@hp9.esiee.fr Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk strip = no does not seem to work in a good way 1- approve my-pass subscribe reseau-anciens Denis Lavard leads to >>>> approve my-pass subscribe reseau-anciens Denis Lavard Succeeded. >>>> **** Command '' not recognized 2-approve my-pass subscribe reseau-anciens the-very-i-mean-rather-very-long-name-or-longer@xx.yy.fr leads to >>>> approve my-pass subscribe reseau-anciens **** Address already subscribed to reseau-anciens >>>> the-very-i-mean-rather-very-long-name-or-longer@xx.yy.fr **** Command 'the-very-i-mean-rather-very-long-name-or-longer@xx.yy.fr' not recognized. After a number of simple checks an tests I could not find any explanation Has someone an answer or where should investigate Thanks in advance __________________________________________________ Olivier MOULIN ESIEE CCIP moulin@esiee.fr Cite Descartes tel (33.1).45.92.66.38 2 Bd Blaise Pascal fax (33.1).45.92.67.25 BP 99 fax (33.1).45.92.66.99 93162 Noisy le Grand Cedex __________________________________________________ From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 12:35:10 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA21574 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:15:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from leibniz.math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id WAA07038 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (barr@augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by leibniz.math.psu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA21847 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 01:05:02 -0500 From: Dave Barr Received: (barr@localhost) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA18078 for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 01:05:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 01:05:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199601150605.BAA18078@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Reply-To: barr@math.psu.edu Subject: Majordomo Frequently Asked Questions Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Version: $Id: majordomo-faq.html,v 1.90 1995/11/10 16:32:16 barr Exp barr $ Archive-Name: mail/list-admin/majordomo-faq Posting-Frequency: monthly Table of Contents: 1. What is Majordomo and how can I get it? + What is Majordomo? + Where do I get it? + How do I install it? + How do I upgrade from an earlier release? + Where do I report bugs or get help with Majordomo? + Which is better, Majordomo or LISTSERV? 2. Problems setting up Majordomo + What are the proper permissions and ownership of all Majordomo files and directories? + I get "Unknown mailer error" when majordomo runs + I get "Permission denied at ..." when majordomo runs + I get "shlock: open(">/some/path/...") when majordomo runs + A file is visible via index, but can't 'get' it + Majordomo seems to be taking many minutes to process commands + I get an error "insecure usage" from the wrapper + I get "majordomo: No such file or directory" from the wrapper + I get an error "Can't locate majordomo.pl" + I told my majordomo.cf where to archive the list, why isn't it working? + I'm accumulating lots of files called /tmp/resend.*.in and .out, + A list is visible via lists, but can't subscribe or 'get' files + I get "Out of Memory" when upgrading to 1.93 + I get warnings or errors when trying to compile 1.93's wrapper + Problems with 1.93's request-answer + I get "Invalid archive directory. Aborting." 3. Setting up mailing lists and aliases + How do I direct bounces to the right address? + Semi-automated handling of bounced mail + What's this Owner-List and List-Owner stuff? Why both? + How should I configure resend for Reply-To headers? + How can I hide lists so they can't be viewed by 'lists'? + How can I restrict a list such that only subscribers can send mail to the list? + Can I have the list owner or approval person be changeable without intervention from the Majordomo owner? + What about all of these passwords starting in version 1.90? + How do I tell majordomo to handle "get"-ing of binary files? + How do I set up a moderated list? + How do I set up a digested version of a list? 4. Miscellaneous mailer and other problems + Address with blanks are being treated separately + Why aren't my digests going out? + Why do I get duplicate mail sent to the list? + How do I gate my list to and/or from a newsgroup? + How can I improve Majordomo's performance? + How can I handle X.400 addresses? This FAQ is Copyright 1995 by David Barr and The Pennsylvania State University. This document may be reproduced, so long as it is kept in its entirety and in its original format. Credits: This FAQ originally written by Vincent D. Skahan. Many thanks to the members of the majordomo-workers and majordomo-users mailing lists for many of the questions and answers found in this FAQ. Thanks to fen@comedia.com (Fen Labalme) for getting an HTML version started. You can get an HTML version of this FAQ on the World Wide Web at http://www.math.psu.edu/barr/majordomo-faq.html. You can request a copy by email by sending a message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu, with the following text in the body: send usenet/comp.mail.list-admin.software/Majordomo_Frequently_Asked_Questions If you have any questions or submissions regarding this FAQ, send them to barr@math.psu.edu (David Barr). _________________________________________________________________ Section 1: What is Majordomo and how can I get it? WHAT IS MAJORDOMO? Majordomo is a program which automates the management of Internet mailing lists. Commands are sent to Majordomo via electronic mail to handle all aspects of list maintainance. Once a list is set up, virtually all operations can be performed remotely, requiring no intervention upon the postmaster of the list site. majordomo - n: a person who speaks, makes arrangements, or takes charge for another. From latin "major domus" - "master of the house". Majordomo is written in Perl (at least 4.036). It should also work under at least Perl 5.001a. It will not work with Perl 5.001!!! It has reportedly worked with Perl 5.000 on some but not all platforms. ftp://ftp.netlabs.com/pub/outgoing/perl5.0/perl5.001m.tar.gz is the latest release from the author. However, with Perl 5 you must edit majordomo and resend to look for instances of the "@" character inside text strings "something@something". Change the "@" to "\@". The same fix is also required if you want to run Majordomo under OSF/1 on the DEC AXP systems with Perl 4 or 5. [from Jim Reisert] Many people have been having problems with DEC OSF/1 AXP systems with Majordomo. Apparently Perl on the Alphas is not as stable as compared to other platforms, and Majordomo tickles bugs in that port of Perl. If you are having problems, please make sure you are running the very latest version of Perl. If anyone has successfully gotten a recent Majordomo to work on OSF/1 on the Alpha, please let the FAQ maintainer know how. There have also been reported problems with the native compiler for AIX 3.2.5. Perl compiled with that compiler will crash when running Majordomo (even though it passes all the regression tests), however if you compile Perl with gcc it will work. Majordomo was developed under UNIX based systems, but will probably work on others. If you can get Perl to compile and run cleanly on your system, and can send Internet mail by piping or calling an external program (and that external program reads its list of recipients from a plain text file), you can probably get Majordomo to work on a wide variety of UNIX-based and non-UNIX based systems. Majordomo controls a list of addresses for some mail transport system (like sendmail or smail) to handle. Majordomo itself performs no mail delivery (though it has scripts to format and archive messages). Here's a short list of some of the features of Majordomo. * supports various types of lists, including moderated ones. * List options can be set easily through a configuration file, editable remotely. * Supports archival and remote retrieval of messages. * Supports digests. * Written in Perl, - easily customizable and expandable. * Modular in design. * Includes support for FTPMAIL. There is a World Wide Web interface for Majordomo and other mail servers, called "Mailserv". Check it out at http://iquest.com/~fitz/www/mailserv/ WHERE DO I GET IT? Via anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.greatcircle.com/pub/majordomo/ If you don't have Perl, you can get it from: ftp://ftp.netlabs.com/pub/outgoing/perl5.0/perl5.001m.tar.gz Information about Perl can be found from: http://www.metronet.com/perlinfo/perl5.html The FTPMAIL package can be found in ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/ftpmail or any comp.sources.misc archive (volume 37). HOW DO I INSTALL IT? Majordomo comes with a rather extensive README. Read this file completely. This FAQ is meant to be a supplement to Majordomo's documentation, not a replacement for it. If you have any questions that this FAQ doesn't cover, chances are that it is covered in the README or other documentation in the Majordomo distribution. For anyone who is going to run a list, you must read Doc/list-owner-info before trying to do anything. If you don't have access to the system where your list is being run, the Majordomo maintainer who set up your list should have sent it to you. Bug him if he didn't. If you have permission problems unpacking the distribution, try using the 'o' flag to ignore user/group information. HOW DO I UPGRADE FROM AN EARLIER RELEASE? Be sure to browse the "Changes" and "Changelog" files to get an idea what has changed. There currently is no canned set of instructions for upgrading from an earlier release. The most straightforward method is to simply install the current release in a different directory, (with the same list/archive/digest directories) and change the mail aliases for each list to use the new Majordomo scripts as soon as you feel comfortable with the new setup. WHERE DO I REPORT BUGS OR GET HELP WITH MAJORDOMO? If you need help, there is a mailing list majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, which is frequented by lots of users of Majordomo. Report bugs to majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com. Be sure always to include which version of Majordomo you are using. You should also include what operating system you are using, what version of Perl, and what mailer (sendmail, smail, etc) and version you are using, especially if you can't get Majordomo to work at all. But first, you must have thoroughly read the ALL documentation in the Majordomo distribution and this FAQ. If you got this FAQ from the Majordomo distribution, or anywhere except from the WWW site at the top of this document don't expect it to be up-to-date. It's probably not. Please don't ask the FAQ maintainer for help on Majordomo. I will probably accidently delete your message. Let me say that about 90% of the answers I give are from the documentation or this FAQ. Most of the rest are answered by reading the source. It's really not that hard to figure out. Do NOT ask questions about Majordomo on the list-managers@greatcircle.com list. That list is for general discussions about running mailing lists, not for help on specific packages. The same goes for the Usenet group comp.mail.list-admin.policy. There is a good guide for people running majordomo lists at http://www.uchicago.edu/a.docs/Mail/majordomo.admin.html. WHICH IS BETTER, MAJORDOMO OR LISTSERV? For a good comparison of various mailing list managers (MLM's) there's a good FAQ by Norm Aleks. It is posted monthly to news.answers and comp.mail.list-admin.software. It's also mirrored at the following URL. ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.answers/mail/list-admin/software-faq You can also request a copy via email, by sending the text "get mlm-software faq" in the body of a mail message to LISTSERV@listserv.net. Contact naleks@library.ummed.edu (Norm Aleks) for more information. Section 2: Problems setting up Majordomo WHAT ARE THE PROPER PERMISSIONS AND OWNERSHIP OF ALL MAJORDOMO FILES AND DIRECTORIES? By far the biggest problem in setting up Majordomo is getting all the permissions and ownerships right. In part this is due to the security model that Majordomo uses, and it's also due to the fact that it's hard to automate this process. That's due to improve in future releases. Majordomo works by using a small C "wrapper" which works by allowing Majordomo to always run as the "majordom" user and group that you create. (note that the wrapper may disappear in a future release, since its function could safely be replaced by features found in Perl 5) You can use a different name than "majordom" for your user and group, but that is what is assumed for the explanations found in this document. Because Majordomo does not run with any "special" (root) priviliges, and because of the fact that Majordomo does a lot of .lock-style locking (with shlock.pl), permissions on all files and directories are critical to the correct operation of Majordomo. The wrapper The wrapper is compiled in one of two ways, by uncommenting the correct section in the Makefile for your type of system. If you are unsure if your system is POSIX or not, I would suggest you assume that your system is not. (The default in 1.93 is POSIX) If things don't work right (for example you get symptoms of permission problems or you get an error from the wrapper saying to recompile using POSIX flags), then try POSIX. Some systems which are BSD: SunOS 4.x, Ultrix, most BSD 4.2 and 4.3-based systems. POSIX systems include Solaris 2.x, IRIX 5.x, BSDI (and presumably other 4.4 BSD-based systems), Linux. Make sure W_PATH is right in the Makefile. On IRIX 5.x, you need to add /usr/bsd to the W_PATH to get the hostname (needed by Perl) command. (IRIX doesn't have a /usr/ucb). If you are on a non-POSIX system, the wrapper must be both suid and sgid (mode 6755) to "majordom". It must not be setuid root! OR On a POSIX system the wrapper must be setuid root, and double-check that W_UID and W_GID are the uid and gid of the "majordom" user and group. Don't set W_UID to be 0! Then compile the wrapper and install it. Do not install the wrapper on an NFS filesystem with the "nosuid" option set. This will prevent the wrapper from working. Majordomo files All files that majordomo creates will be mode 660, user "majordom", group "majordom" if it is running correctly. The Log file that Majordomo writes logging information to must have this same permission and ownership. Make sure any files you create by hand (.config, subscription lists) have this same permission and ownership. (the can also be mode 664 if you don't need the contents to be private to others) The permissions/ownership of the Majordomo programs and related files themselves aren't as critical, but the must all be readable to the "majordom" user/group. All Majordomo programs (majordomo, resend, etc.) must have the execute bit set. Majordomo directories All directories under Majordomo's control ($homedir, $listdir, $digest_work_dir, $filedir, as defined in your majordomo.cf) must be mode 770 (or 775). They should be user and group owned by "majordom". If want to allow a local user to be able to directly modify files or for example copy files into a list's archive directory, you may make the directory or file owned by that user. However directories and files must be group-"majordom" writeable. I GET "UNKNOWN MAILER ERROR" WHEN MAJORDOMO RUNS If something is wrong with your setup, the wrapper will often exit with various return codes depending on what the problem is. In order to really understand what is going on, look at the session transcript further down in the bounce message to see the error which is returned from the wrapper or from Majordomo. You should always see some sort of error message. For information purposes, here are the current return codes from the wrapper: * 1: Usage error * 2: Insecure usage (argument to wrapper can't contain a '/') * 3: malloc() failed (out of memory) * 4: set[ug]id() failed, compile with POSIX instead of BSD flags * 5: execve() failed * >5: return code from perl [reported by Russell Street] You may also get problems when messages to majordomo are queued (for example if you change sendmail's behavior to always queue messages rather than perform immediate delivery). The problem was that if sendmail queues a message it smashes the case in command lines and addresses when the queue gets processed. This is in spite of the lines shown by mailq. This is sendmail 5.x on Solaris 2.3, but it might apply to other versions of sendmail. I GET "PERMISSION DENIED AT ..." WHEN MAJORDOMO RUNS I GET "SHLOCK: OPEN(">/SOME/PATH/..." WHEN MAJORDOMO RUNS A FILE IS VISIBLE VIA INDEX, BUT CAN'T 'GET' IT MAJORDOMO SEEMS TO BE TAKING MANY MINUTES TO PROCESS COMMANDS These are all symptoms of a permission or ownership problem. See the previous question. The directory specified of any "shlock" errors indicates a problem with that directory. A "get" problem means the ownership or permission of archive directory for that list is wrong. I GET AN ERROR "INSECURE USAGE" FROM THE WRAPPER The argument to "wrapper" should be simply be the command, not the full path to the command. "wrapper" has where to look compiled in to it (the "W_BIN" setting in the Makefile) and for security reasons will not let you specify another directory. Your alias should say for example: |"/path/to/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" I GET "MAJORDOMO: NO SUCH FILE OR DIRECTORY" FROM THE WRAPPER Make sure that the #! statement at the beginning of all the Majordomo Perl executables contain the correct path to the perl program (the default is /usr/local/bin/perl). Note many UNIXes have a 32 character limit on that path -- make sure it doesn't exceed this limit. Make sure also that majordomo and all the related scripts are in the W_BIN directory as defined in the Makefile when you compiled the wrapper. I GET AN ERROR "CAN'T LOCATE MAJORDOMO.PL" [from Brent Chapman] Majordomo adds "$homedir" from the majordomo.cf file to the @INC array before it goes looking for "majordomo.pl". Since it's not finding it, I'd guess you have one of two problems: 1) $homedir is set improperly (or not set at all; there is no default) in your majordomo.cf file. 2) majordomo.pl is not in $homedir, or is not readable. [from John P. Rouillard] 3) Note that the new majordomo.cf file checks to see if the environment variable $HOME is set first, and uses that for $homedir. Since the wrapper always sets HOME to the correct directory, you get a nice default, unless you are running a previously built wrapper, in which case you may get the wrong directory. [from Andreas Fenner] 4) I had the same problem when I installed majordomo (1.62). My Problem was a missing ";" in the majordomo.cf file - just in the line before setting homedir .... My hint for you: Check your perl-files carefully. I TOLD MY MAJORDOMO.CF WHERE TO ARCHIVE THE LIST, WHY ISN'T IT WORKING? [From John Rouillard] The archive variables in majordomo.cf aren't used to archive anything. You have to use a separate archive program, or a sendmail alias to do the archiving. The info is used to generate a directory where the archive files are being placed by some other mechanism. You are telling majordomo to look in the directory: /usr/local/mail/majordomo/archive/listname for files that it should allow to be gotten using the get command. Majordomo comes with three different archive programs that run under wrapper, that do various types of archiving. Look in the contrib directory. I'M ACCUMULATING LOTS OF FILES CALLED /TMP/RESEND.*.IN AND .OUT WHAT ARE THESE AND HOW CAN I GET RID OF THEM? This is a known bug in Majordomo 1.92. There was a typo in resend on line 347. Change the double-quotes to angle-brackets. (just like the other calls to unlink()) A LIST IS VISIBLE VIA LISTS, BUT CAN'T SUBSCRIBE OR 'GET' FILES [From Brent Chapman] I'll bet your list name has capital letters in it... Majordomo smashes all list names to all-lower-case before attempting to use the list name as part of a filename. So, while it's OK to advertise (for instance) "Majordomo-Users" and have the headers say "Majordomo-Users", the file names and archive directory names themselves all need to be in lower case. If you want to use mixed case, simply configure the list using the lower-case names everywhere, except put the mixed-case version in the "-l" and "-h" flags to resend. I GET "OUT OF MEMORY" WHEN UPGRADING TO 1.93 [summary of report from Matthew A. Braithwaite] There appears to be a bug in error reporting in Majordomo 1.93. Under certain circumstances, if the directory containing your Log file is not writable by majordomo then it will get caught in an infinite recursion, eventually allocating all the memory in the system. The fix is to make sure that the directory containing your Log file is user and group writeable, and user and group owned by your majordomo user and group. This doesn't work in all cases. There have been reports that some O/S have bugs in Perl's eval() routine causing this error. This condition will also arise if the wrapper is configured or installed improperly. Refer above for how to configure and install the wrapper on your system. I GET WARNINGS OR ERRORS WHEN TRYING TO COMPILE 1.93'S WRAPPER You're probably trying to compile the wrapper using the default Makefile on a non-POSIX system (like SunOS 4.x). As it says in the Makefile, SunOS isn't POSIX -- you need to use the BSD rules. If you're having trouble compiling the wrapper under AIX, change the line that says: char setgroups_used = "setgroups_was_included"; /* give strings a hint */ to char *setgroups_used = "setgroups_was_included"; /* give strings a hint */ The wrapper compilation may generate warnings under Linux and SunOS, which you can safely ignore. Some systems (IRIX 5.x) also require an #include/tt> after stdio.h. PROBLEMS WITH 1.93'S REQUEST-ANSWER [ Summary by Yusef Pisan ] There are a some known bugs in request-answer. If you get the error 'Undefined subroutine "main'lopen"' (or "main::lopen" for Perl 5), you need to insert the line 'require "shlock.pl";' near the beginning of request-answer. The syntax of the 'do_exec_sendmail' function is different in majordomo than in majordomo.pl, so you need to change all occurrences of 'do_exec_sendmail' in request-answer to something like 'do_exec_sendmail_in_request_answer'. On line 41 where it exec()'s sendmail, change the "-f$list-request" to "-f$list-approval". I GET "INVALID ARCHIVE DIRECTORY. ABORTING." archive2.pl, as a security feature, refuses to write to directories other than ones "approved" for archiving. You need to edit the variable "@archive_dirs" in your majordomo.cf to list all the directories that you have set up for list archives. _________________________________________________________________ Section 3: Setting up mailing lists and aliases HOW DO I DIRECT BOUNCES TO THE RIGHT ADDRESS? You should use 'resend' to filter all messages. Make sure the "sender" keyword in the config file points to "owner-listname" and that you have defined the "owner-listname" alias to point to the owner of the list. What this does is force outgoing mail to have the out-of-band envelope FROM be "owner-listname", and thus all bounces will be redirected to that address. (Users often see this mirrored in the message body as the "From " or "Return-Path:" header). 'resend' also inserts a "Sender:" line with the same address to help people identify where it came from, but that header is not used for the bounce address. If you are using sendmail v8.x, you don't have to use 'resend' to do the same thing. You simply have to define an alias like this: owner-sample: joe, Note the trailing comma is necessary to prevent sendmail from resolving the alias first before putting it in the header. Without the comma, it will put "joe" in the envelope from instead of "owner-sample". Either address will work, of course, but the generic address is preferred should the owner ever change. However if you choose not to use 'resend', you will have to do without much of majordomo's other features like moderating, administravia checks, and others. SEMI-AUTOMATED HANDLING OF BOUNCED MAIL [From John Rouillard] Just create a mailing list called "bounces". I usually set mine up as an auto list just to make life easier. All that "bounce" script does is create an email message to majordomo that says: approve [passwd] unsubscribe [listname] [address] approve [passwd] subscribe bounces [address] The [address] and [listname], are given on the command line to bounce. The address of the majordomo, and the passwords are retrieved from the .majordomo file in your home directory. A sample .majordomo file might look like (shamelessly stolen from the comments at the top of the bounce script): this-list passwd1 Majordomo@This.COM other-list passwd2 Majordomo@Other.COM bounces passwd3 Majordomo@This.COM bounces passwd4 Majordomo@Other.COM A command of "bounce this-list user@fubar.com" will mail the following message to Majordomo@This.COM: approve passwd1 unsubscribe this-list user@fubar.com approve passwd3 subscribe bounces user@fubar.com (930401 this-list) while a command of "bounce other-list user@fubar.com" will mail the following message to Majordomo@Other.COM: approve passwd2 unsubscribe other-list user@fubar.com approve passwd4 subscribe bounces user@fubar.com (930401 this-list) Note that the date and the list the user was bounced from are included as a comment in the address used for the "subscribe bounces" command. WHAT'S THIS OWNER-LIST AND LIST-OWNER STUFF? WHY BOTH? [From David Barr] The "standard" is spelled out in RFC 1211 - "Problems with the Maintenance of Large Mailing Lists". It's here where the "owner-listname" and "listname-request" concepts got their start. (well it was before this, but this is where it was first spelled out) Personally, I don't use "listname-owner" anywhere. You don't really have to put both, since the "owner" alias is usually only for bounces, which you add automatically anyway with resend's "-f" flag, or having Sendmail v8.x's "owner-listname" alias. (while I'm on the subject) The "-approval" is a Majordomo-ism, and is only necessary if you want bounces and approval notices to go to different mailboxes. (though you'll have to edit some code in majordomo and request-answer if you want to get rid of the -approval alias, since it's currently hardwired in) So, to answer your question, I'd say "no". You don't have to have both. You should just have "owner-list". HOW SHOULD I CONFIGURE RESEND FOR REPLY-TO HEADERS? Whether you should have a "Reply-To:" or not depends on the charter of your list and the nature of its users. If the list is a discussion list and you generally want replies to go back to the list, you can include one. Some people don't like being told what to do, and prefer to be able to choose whether to send a private reply or a reply to the list just by using the right function on their mail agent. Take note that if you do use a "Reply-To:", then some mail agents make it much harder for a person on the list to send a private reply. If you are using resend, use the '-r ' flag to set the Reply-To field to the list, or use the 'reply_to' config keyword for 1.9x or greater. HOW CAN I HIDE LISTS SO THEY CAN'T BE VIEWED BY 'LISTS'? That is what advertise and noadvertise are for. The two keywords take regular expressions that are matched against the from address of the sender. A list display follows the rules: 1. If the from address is on the list, it is shown. 2. If the from address matches a regexp in noadvertise (e.g. /.*/) the list is not shown. 3. If the advertise list is empty, the list is shown unless 2 applies. 4. If the advertise list is non-empty, the from address must match an address in advertise. Otherwise the list is not shown. Rule 2 applies, so you could allow all hosts in umb.edu except hosts in cs.umb.edu. HOW CAN I RESTRICT A LIST SUCH THAT ONLY SUBSCRIBERS CAN SEND MAIL TO THE LIST? For pre-1.9x versions of majordomo, see the -I option to resend. For 1.9x this is the restrict_post keyword in the config file. Just set it to the filename that holds the list of subscribers. Unfortunately this means you probably will need help from the Majordomo maintainer in setting it if you don't have access to the host machine. This is due to be improved in a future release of Majordomo. However, there is a problem with either of these methods. Majordomo works by filtering the messages coming in through the "listname" alias, doing its dirty work, then passing the resulting message out to another alias you define like "listname-outgoing". If you trust people to not send mail directly to the "listname-outgoing" alias, then you'll be fine. If however you're not trusting, there are several steps to make sure people don't bypass the restrictions of the list. There are several methods. First you need to change your "listname-outgoing" alias such that it is not obvious. Next, you need to make it such that people can't find out what your -outgoing alias is. You can use the "@filename" directive in resend to move the command-line options of resend into a file readable only by the majordomo user/group. This will make it such that you can't find out the -outgoing address by connecting to your mailer and doing an EXPN or VRFY. The "@filename" directive seems to have fallen into undocumentation for some reason. This should be fixed in future releases. Another more direct approach is to simply disable EXPN or VRFY altogether. See the documentation for your mailer on how to do this. However this doesn't prevent local reading if the aliases file. Sendmail 8.x will unfortunately log your -outgoing alias in the "Received:" lines. To get around this you need to specify more than one address for the list name argument to resend. The easiest way is to simply put a comma after your -outgoing address. (for example "mylist: :include:/var/lists/mylist,") For Sendmail 8.x you must not define an alias 'owner-mylist-seekrit' to be something like 'owner-mylist,' (with the commma). Otherwise sendmail will set the envelope address of outgoing mail to contain your secret outgoing alias. Finally it should be noted that it is impossible with any method to prevent people from forging mail as someone on the list, and sending to the list that way. CAN I HAVE THE LIST OWNER OR APPROVAL PERSON BE CHANGEABLE WITHOUT INTERVENTION FROM THE MAJORDOMO OWNER? Sure! Just make owner-listname and/or listname-approval be another majordomo list. (probably hidden, for simplicity's sake) WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THESE PASSWORDS STARTING IN VERSION 1.90? Think of three separate passwords: 1. A master password that can be used by both resend and majordomo contained in [listname].passwd. To be used by the master list manager when using writeconfig commands etc. This allows someone who handles a number of mailing lists all using the same password. 2. A password for the manager of this one list. The admin_passwd can be used by subsidiary majordomo list maintainers. 3. A password for those concerned with the list content (approve_passwd) This way the administration and moderation functions can be split. The original reason for maintaining [listname].passwd was to allow a new config file to be put in if the config file was trashed and the admin_password was obliterated, and may still be useful to allow a single password to be used for admin functions by the majordomo admin or some other "superadmin". Note that the admin passwd in the config file is not a file name, but the password itself. This is the only way that the list-maintainer could change the password since they wouldn't have access to the file. HOW DO I TELL MAJORDOMO TO HANDLE "GET"-ING OF BINARY FILES? Majordomo is not designed to be a general-purpose file-by-mail system. If you want to do anything more than trivial "get"-ing of text files (archives, etc) than you should get and install ftpmail. Majordomo has hooks to allow transparent access to files via ftpmail (see majordomo.cf). See the beginning of this FAQ for where to get ftpmail. HOW DO I SET UP A MODERATED LIST? First, you need to tell Majordomo that the list is moderated. In the configuration file for the list, you set "moderated = yes". If you're using Majordomo 1.9x or greater, do not try to use the now-deprecated "-A" option to resend. In fact if you're using 1.9x or greater, you shouldn't be using ANY options to resend except "-h" and "-l". Any mail which is not "approved", gets bounced with "Approval required". If the moderator wishes to approve the message for the list, then you need to tag the message as "approved" and send it to the list. The "approve" script which comes with Majordomo does this for you. If you don't have access to "approve" (e.g. you're not on a UNIX system with Perl), you have to do it by hand. The easiest way is to forward the original message to the list, add the line "Approved: approval-password" to the very first line of the body, leave a blank line, and then the contents of the original message. (meaning there should be a blank line before and after the "Approved:" line.) HOW DO I SET UP A DIGESTED VERSION OF A LIST? [ Modified from explanation given by jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler)] * Create aliases for the mailing list and the digest. See section 2.2 of the README for an example. * create an alias for the majordom(o) user, so that his cron generated mail comes to me, rather than just piling up in /usr/local/mail/majordom. * create the list's and the digest's files, (widget, widget-digest, widget.config, widget-digest.config, etc.). Edit the widget-digest.config file and make sure all the digest options are set to your tastes. * create the digest directory and archive directory. See FAQ section 2 on how to set permissions on all majordomo files and directories. You must have archives if you have digests so the digester can make the digest. You can purge the archive after the digest is generated. * Add yourself to both the mailing list and its digest so you can monitor what happens...at least for a while (not a bad idea to create a dummy user, and subscribe him to both the mailing list and its digest. This preserves a record of messages for debugging. Don't forget to remove this account and unsubscribe it after debugging.) * Optionally you may add a crontab for majrodom, to push out a digest at set intervals regardless of the number of queued messages. Of course you can do this from any account not just majordom, as long as the password is correct. See the question Why aren't my digests going out?". _________________________________________________________________ Section 4: Miscellaneous mailer problems ADDRESS WITH BLANKS ARE BEING TREATED SEPARATELY If a subscriber to the list is John Doe it gets treated these as the three addresses: John Doe [From Alan Millar] Majordomo does not treat these as three addresses. Apparently your mailer does. Remember that all Majordomo does is add and remove addresses from a list. Majordomo does not interpret the contents of the list for message distribution; the system mailer (such as sendmail) does. I'm using SMail3 instead of sendmail, and it has an alternative (read "stupid") view of how mixed angle-bracketed and non-angle-bracketed addresses should be interpreted. I found that putting a comma at the end of each line was effective to fix the problem, and I got to keep my comments. So I patched Majordomo to add the comma at the end of each address it writes to the list file. You can also add the $listname.strip option so that none of the addresses are angle-bracketed. (the "strip" config option for 1.90) WHY AREN'T MY DIGESTS GOING OUT? >I'm not sure how to set up the digest feature of majordomo 1.92 >to send digests out. Currently, it is digesting incoming mail, >but that's all it's doing. [from John Rouillard] echo mkdigest [digest-name] [digest-password] | mail majordomo@... This will force a digest to be created. Or you can set the max size in the digest list config file down low, and force automatic generation. There are some patches for 1.92 that will allow other ways of specifying automatic digest sending. The patch is in the contrib directory. WHY DO I GET DUPLICATE MAIL SENT TO THE LIST? I've you're running MMDF, read on: [From Gunther Anderson] Well, I can tell you what happened to me recently. We use MMDF here, which certainly colors the picture a little. What was happening here was that MMDF was verifying the validity of the whole mailing list before returning from the Submit call. The thing calling the Submit would time out and close, but the Submit itself would still be running somewhere. The calling routine would believe that the message had failed in its delivery, but the Submit would eventually succeed. The calling process would try again some time later. This, of course, is bad. The larger the list got, the more addresses there were to verify (verification was really just a DNS search on the target machine name), the more likely, under load, that the message would duplicate. We finally got so large, with so many international addresses (which seem to timeout on DNS queries much more ofen than US addresses) that we were always duplicating. Infinitely (until I killed the original submitter). The solution for us was MMDF-specific. We used a different channel for submission and delivery, one which deliberately doesn't verify the addresses before accepting a job. We used the list-processor channel, and only had to check that the listname-request name was set properly, because list-processor insists on making listname-request the envelope "From " header name. If you're running Sendmail, this is more rare. There have been unconfirmed reports that on some systems having the queue process interval set too short can cause problems, even though sendmail is supposed to handle this. Workarounds are to increase your queue process interval (-q flag), or decrease the interval between queue checkpoints (OC flag in sendmail.cf). There have been many reports from Linux users complaining about duplicate mail. The problem seems to be that flock() under Linux is broken. This may be fixed in a future release, but for now in sendmail's conf.h in the #ifdef __linux__ section add a line #define HASFLOCK 0. There are also reports that some versions of the libc have problems, and that linking with the libresolv.a from a recent BIND version will work around the problem. [ Please let me know if you have any more information --ed ] HOW DO I GATE MY LIST TO AND/OR FROM A NEWSGROUP? The easiest method is to use a program called newsgate. Send mail to rsalz@uunet.uu.net (Rich Salz) for a copy. Unless he tells you otherwise, do not redistribute what he sends you. Installation instructions are straightforward, it provides sample entires for your newsfeeds/sys file and aliases entries. The newsgate package includes news2mail and mail2news. HOW CAN I IMPROVE MAJORDOMO'S PERFORMANCE? Mail to list throughput Majordomo does very little except pass each message to the list through 'resend', and then pass it on to your mailer for distribution. Improving your mailer is the first step to improving speed of delivery of mail to the list. Upgrading your sendmail to version 8.x will improve things greatly, as this version has a lot of enhancements which use connections more efficiently. For most lists, this is enough. Majordomo itself doesn't use very much resources except perhaps memory. Adding more memory will help if your machine does a lot of paging during mail delivery. Using other mailers instead of sendmail like ZMailer has met with varying success. If your lists are very large you may try installing bulk_mailer, by Keith Moore. It pre-sorts the list into chunks grouped by site, and passes the resulting chunks off to individual sendmail processes for delivery (see note next paragraph). Get it from ftp://cs.utk.edu/pub/moore/bulk_mailer/. It installs simply by replacing your usual -outgoing alias with (line wrapped for clarity): sample-outgoing: |"/path/to/bulk_mailer owner-sample@your.site /path/to/lists/sample" bulk_mailer has reportedly resulted in dramatic speedups in delivery times, on the order of several times faster. Note this works just as well on digested lists as well as normal lists. bulk_mailer did have one problem. Until version 1.3 it didn't understand parenthesized comments in addresses, resulting in incorrect sorting and reduced performance. Your list must be configured with strip=yes in the configuration file if you don't upgrade to 1.3. The restrict_post list option with large lists can cause a significant slowdown in mail delivery, since resend has to do a sequential search through the subscription list for each mail sent to the list (to verify that the sender is subscribed to the list). Think twice about using this option with very large lists. Majordomo command processing Most of the improvements in this are are experimental and not widely available or not yet completed but scheduled for future releases. Some areas include: improvements in shlock.pl to use exponential backoffs to reduce contention and starvation of locks, using some sort of dbz-style database for subscription lists to speed up subscribe and unsubscribe commands, and changes in the configuration file system to allow faster parsing and faster execution of certain commands such as "lists". If you are interested in working on improvements in this area, join the majordomo-workers list mentioned above. If you make any specific patches or additions available, please let me know so I can add references to it here. HOW CAN I HANDLE X.400 ADDRESSES? Majordomo by default treats addresses starting with "/" as "hostile", and won't let people subscribe. This is to prevent someone from subscribing a majordomo-owned filename to the list, and being able to write by sending mail to the list. Unfortunately, all X.400 addresses begin with a "/". Starting in Majordomo 1.93, there are three variables in the majordomo.cf which control how majordomo treats these sorts of addresses. See the end of the sample.cf in the Majordomo 1.93 distribution for a complete explanation. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 12:59:59 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA23339 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu (caipfs.rutgers.edu [128.6.19.100]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA23325; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA22302; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:44:45 -0500 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id PAA20286; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:44:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:44:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199601152044.PAA20286@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: loren@wharton.upenn.edu CC: loren@hops.wharton.upenn.edu, rogerk@queernet.org, majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: <1E2D9BE75DF@marketing.wharton.upenn.edu> (Loren.Miller@marketing.wharton.upenn.edu) Subject: Re: Desireable changes to maillist programs Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk From: "Loren Miller" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:41:58 EST What I want is if someone sends a properly formatted majordomo command to the mailing list then majordomo should perform the command as if it was sent to list-request. "subscribe" is a command. "unsubscribe" is a command. "index" is a command. "info" is a command. Only check the first line. If it is a properly formatted command then treat the whole message as nothing but commands. If it isn't a properly formatted command then treat the message as text. IMO this would get around a lot of the problems I've had with administrivia getting too many false positives, as well as reducing administrative overhead. Not all that great of an idea for everyone, about twice a day I'm bound to see a transaction like the following on at least 5 or 6 of my lists... ------------------------------ From: ungrateful_person@host.domain Subject: Get me off this damn list How do I stop receiving these messages! From: helpful_person@foo.bar Subject: Re: Get me off this damn list unsubscribe linux-foo should get you off the list ------------------------------ Great, now the person trying to help out gets gropped from the list due to the administrivia regex matcher trying to be "smart". Being that I deal with over 700,000 email addresses total with my majordomo lists, and the above happens often, this isn't a good idea at all. I've seen that letting the subscribers work things out among themselves on the list is the best thing under most circumstances. Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 13:10:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA24149 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from PEAK.ORG (PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.17]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA24129 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from trillium.PEAK.ORG (trillium.PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.2]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id MAA10934; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:55:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199601152055.MAA10934@PEAK.ORG> X-Authentication-Warning: PEAK.ORG: Host trillium.PEAK.ORG didn't use HELO protocol To: Olivier MOULIN Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, bonnetf@hp9.esiee.fr Subject: Re: list making trouble In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:37:10 +0100. <199601151201.AA019667285@hp9.esiee.fr> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:53:18 -0800 From: (John Sechrest) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -------- Olivier MOULIN writes: % strip = no does not seem to work in a good way % % 1- approve my-pass subscribe reseau-anciens Denis Lavard % leads to % >>>> approve my-pass subscribe reseau-anciens Denis Lavard % Succeeded. % >>>> % **** Command '' not recognized % % 2-approve my-pass subscribe reseau-anciens % the-very-i-mean-rather-very-long-name-or-longer@xx.yy.fr % leads to % >>>> approve my-pass subscribe reseau-anciens % **** Address already subscribed to reseau-anciens % >>>> the-very-i-mean-rather-very-long-name-or-longer@xx.yy.fr % **** Command 'the-very-i-mean-rather-very-long-name-or-longer@xx.yy.fr' not % recognized. % % After a number of simple checks an tests I could not find any explanation % Has someone an answer or where should investigate % Thanks in advance % __________________________________________________ % Olivier MOULIN ESIEE CCIP % moulin@esiee.fr Cite Descartes % tel (33.1).45.92.66.38 2 Bd Blaise Pascal % fax (33.1).45.92.67.25 BP 99 % fax (33.1).45.92.66.99 93162 Noisy le Grand Cedex % __________________________________________________ % % ----- John Sechrest . Helping people use Executive Director . computers and Internet Computer Science Outreach . more effectively Room 8 Hovland Hall . Oregon State University . Internet: sechrest@cs.orst.edu Corvallis Oregon 97331 . (503) 737-5562 . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 13:25:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA25174 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from gwa.ericsson.com (gwa.ericsson.com [198.215.127.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id NAA25160 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mr2.exu.ericsson.se (mr2.exu.ericsson.com [138.85.147.12]) by gwa.ericsson.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA07346 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:14:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from pres (root@pres.wser.ericsson.se [138.85.241.8]) by mr2.exu.ericsson.se (8.7.1/NAHUB-MR1.1) with SMTP id PAA22804 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:14:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from b05a11.wser.ericsson.se (eusdegr@b05a11.wser.ericsson.se [138.85.241.244]) by pres (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA28720 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:14:04 -0600 Received: (eusdegr@localhost) by b05a11.wser.ericsson.se (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA01472; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:14:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:14:02 -0600 (CST) From: Derrick Green To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: "reject" script In-Reply-To: <199601151201.AA019667285@hp9.esiee.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I apologize if this question is redundant, I just recently joined the list. I wonder if anybody has created a "reject" script? This would allow me to reject a certain post and attach a short message to it. It would run like this: reject -m "Not relevant to this list." This would automatically create a message to the original sender of the post with an appropriate Subject header and the message given with the -m option. Anyway, before I write such a script, has anybody already done this? --- Derrick Green eusdegr@wser.ericsson.se Richardson, Texas From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 13:55:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA26461 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from PEAK.ORG (PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.17]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA26436 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from trillium.PEAK.ORG (trillium.PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.2]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id NAA18108 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:39:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199601152139.NAA18108@PEAK.ORG> X-Authentication-Warning: PEAK.ORG: Host trillium.PEAK.ORG didn't use HELO protocol To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Little scripts for adding/deleted Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:37:04 -0800 From: (John Sechrest) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, Over the last bit of creating and managing several mailing lists, I found that I kept getting my hands in the adding and deleting process for lists. I liked the bounce command, but I did not want to have people added to a list. And I also did not like having to add people by hand to lists and remember what system they were on. So, a minor amount of modification to bounce produced two scripts: mdadd and mdrm These add and delete people from lists. I hope that you find them useful: #!/usr/local/bin/perl # mdadd - Major Domo Add # # Based around "bounce", this script will add a user to a list # # Usage: mdadd [-f ] [-d] \nStopped # # Assumes that the "approve" password for each list is stored in a file # called ".majordomo" in the user's home directory, in the following format: # # List Password Majordomo-Address # # When you add someone to a list, it looks up that lists's password # and Majordomo-Address (the address of the Majordomo server serving that # list) in the .majordomo file # # Here's an example of what a .majordomo file should look like: # # this-list passwd1 Majordomo@This.COM # other-list passwd2 Majordomo@Other.GOV # A command of "mdadd this-list user@fubar.com" will mail the # following message to Majordomo@This.COM: # # approve passwd1 subscribe this-list user@fubar.com # Original Author: # Brent Chapman Great Circle Associates # Brent@GreatCircle.COM 1057 West Dana Street # +1 415 962 0841 Mountain View, CA 94041 # # mdadd mucked with by John Sechrest # sechrest@peak.org # $Source: /sources/cvsrepos/majordomo/bounce,v $ # $Revision: 1.1.1.1 $ # $Date: 1993/08/31 16:05:00 $ # $Author: rouilj $ # $State: Exp $ # # $Locker: $ # require "getopts.pl"; &Getopts("df:") || die("USAGE: mdadd [-f ] [-d] \nStopped"); if (! defined($opt_f)) { $opt_f = <~/.majordomo>; } &read_config(); $list = shift(@ARGV); $list =~ tr/A-Z/a-z/; $list =~ s/@.*//; $list_passwd = $passwd{$list}; if (! $list_passwd) { die("no password for list $list; stopping"); } local($sec,$min,$hour,$mday,$mon,$year,$wday,$yday,$isdst) = localtime; if (defined($opt_d)) { open(MSG, ">&STDOUT"); } else { open(MSG, "|/usr/lib/sendmail $majordomo{$list}") || die("open(MSG, \"|/usr/lib/sendmail $majordomo{$list}\"): $!\nStopped"); } print MSG <) { s/\n$//; s/#.*//; if (/^$/) { next; } split; $_[0] =~ tr/A-Z/a-z/; $_[2] =~ tr/A-Z/a-z/; $passwd{$_[0]} = $_[1]; $passwd{"$_[0]@$_[2]"} = $_[1]; $majordomo{$_[0]} = $_[2]; } close(CONF); } ------ mdrm #!/usr/local/bin/perl # Instead of # move problem addresses from to "bounces" # Delete them from the list.... # Assumes that the "approve" password for each list is stored in a file # called ".majordomo" in the user's home directory, in the following format: # # List Password Majordomo-Address # # When you bounce someone from a list, it looks up that lists's password # and Majordomo-Address (the address of the Majordomo server serving that # list) in the .majordomo file, and looks for another list named "bounces" # with the same Majordomo-Address. # # Here's an example of what a .majordomo file should look like: # # this-list passwd1 Majordomo@This.COM # other-list passwd2 Majordomo@Other.GOV # bounces passwd3 Majordomo@This.COM # bounces passwd4 Majordomo@Other.GOV # # A command of "bounce this-list user@fubar.com" will mail the # following message to Majordomo@This.COM: # # approve passwd1 unsubscribe this-list user@fubar.com # approve passwd3 subscribe bounces user@fubar.com (930401 this-list) # # Note that the date and the list the user was bounced from are included # as a comment in the address used for the "subscribe bounces" command. # # Brent Chapman Great Circle Associates # Brent@GreatCircle.COM 1057 West Dana Street # +1 415 962 0841 Mountain View, CA 94041 # $Source: /sources/cvsrepos/majordomo/bounce,v $ # $Revision: 1.1.1.1 $ # $Date: 1993/08/31 16:05:00 $ # $Author: rouilj $ # $State: Exp $ # # $Locker: $ # require "getopts.pl"; &Getopts("df:") || die("USAGE: bounce [-f ] [-d] \nStopped"); if (! defined($opt_f)) { $opt_f = <~/.majordomo>; } &read_config(); $list = shift(@ARGV); $list =~ tr/A-Z/a-z/; $list =~ s/@.*//; $list_passwd = $passwd{$list}; if (! $list_passwd) { die("no password for list $list; stopping"); } #$bounce_passwd = $passwd{"bounces@$majordomo{$list}"}; #if (! $bounce_passwd) { # die("no password for list bounces; stopping"); #} local($sec,$min,$hour,$mday,$mon,$year,$wday,$yday,$isdst) = localtime; if (defined($opt_d)) { open(MSG, ">&STDOUT"); } else { open(MSG, "|/usr/lib/sendmail $majordomo{$list}") || die("open(MSG, \"|/usr/lib/sendmail $majordomo{$list}\"): $!\nStopped"); } print MSG <) { s/\n$//; s/#.*//; if (/^$/) { next; } split; $_[0] =~ tr/A-Z/a-z/; $_[2] =~ tr/A-Z/a-z/; $passwd{$_[0]} = $_[1]; $passwd{"$_[0]@$_[2]"} = $_[1]; $majordomo{$_[0]} = $_[2]; } close(CONF); } ----- John Sechrest . Helping people use Executive Director . computers and Internet Computer Science Outreach . more effectively Room 8 Hovland Hall . Oregon State University . Internet: sechrest@peak.org Corvallis Oregon 97331 . (503) 737-5562 . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 14:25:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA28781 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from rw.realworks.com (rw.realworks.com [204.215.48.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA28774 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from chipmunk (rschrock.realworks.com [204.215.48.22]) by rw.realworks.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02335 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:20:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:20:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199601152220.QAA02335@rw.realworks.com> X-Sender: rschrock@realworks.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Randy Schrock Subject: The "WHO" command Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I and running a new installation of Majordomo v1.93. Everything is working well. I have a quick questions: Is there a way of running an moderate=no, subscribe_policy=open list and limiting the ability of the "WHO" command? I have the private_* parameters set to yes. Thanks in advance. Randy Schrock - rschrock@realworks.com - http://www.realworks.com/schrock President, Schrock & Associates, Inc. - Westwood, KS - (913) 432-8880 From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 15 14:40:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA29548 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from borris.khoros.unm.edu (borris.khoros.unm.edu [198.59.155.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA29542 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by borris.khoros.unm.edu (8.7.1/KHOROS/Feb 18 1994) id <199601152229.PAA12618@borris.khoros.unm.edu>; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:29:09 -0700 (MST) From: tomkon@borris.khoros.unm.edu (Tom Konerth) Posted-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:29:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199601152229.PAA12618@borris.khoros.unm.edu> Subject: Cross-posting to news group To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:29:09 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just installed and testing majordomo 1.93 on a Sparc II (sun4c, SunOS 4.1.3). I am using perl version 4.0, Revision: 4.0.1.8, Date: 1993/02/05 Patch level: 36. I maintain a list that is cross-posted with our news group. The news group is maintained here. I was wondering if anyone has integrated majordomo into both mailing the list and posting to a news group? All ideas welcome! Thanks in advance :-) -- \,|,/ ~(o o)~ /===================oOO--(_)--OOo===========================================\ Tom Konerth | Email: tomkon@khoral.com Khoral Research, Inc. | 6001 Indian School Rd NE | http://www.khoral.com/ Suite 200 | Phone: (505) 837-6500 ext. 493 Albuquerque, NM 87110 | Fax: (505) 881-3842 \===========================================================================/ |/ \| (_) (_) From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 00:29:19 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA03201 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 00:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from outsider.bolis.sf-bay.org (bolis.isp.net [204.153.195.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id AAA03178; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 00:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from hock.bolis.sf-bay.org by outsider.bolis.sf-bay.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0tc6S7-00040qC; Tue, 16 Jan 96 00:09 PST Received: from amillar by hock.bolis.sf-bay.org with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tc6A8-000UreC; Mon, 15 Jan 96 23:50 PST Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alan Millar" Organization: The Bolis Group To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:53:11 -800 Subject: Re: Desireable changes to maillist programs CC: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > command. Only check the first line. If it is a properly formatted > command then treat the whole message as nothing but commands. If it > isn't a properly formatted command then treat the message as text. You seem to be saying is that *some* of the following should be processed by majordomo and the *rest* forwarded to the list: 1 subscribe listname me@mysite 2 subscribe listname listname me@mysite 3 please remove me from the list 4 subscribe please 5 signoff listname 6 I unsubscribed from that other list and subscribed here because... 7 get listname index.txt 8 get a life 9 please add me to your list. Thank you. Now, which of these are you going to have Majordomo process? What do you propose to do with the rest of them? Does majordomo check for entirely correct lines? 1 and 7 get processed, but 2, 4 and 8 go to the list. Oops, we don't want 2 & 4 to go to the list, so we just check for commands and return errors if the arguments are wrong. Ooops, we processed 8 as a command: false positive. And what about 3, 6 and 9? I'm certainly not going to run my lists in a manner that *intends* to let the unrecognized entries above be purposely sent to the list. My list members would be pretty incensed by that. I wouldn't subscribe to such a list either, without complaining to the list owner about their lame software. > IMO this would get around a lot of the problems I've had with > administrivia getting too many false positives, as well as reducing > administrative overhead. Too many false positives? Then take out some of the checks in resend.pl. What is the right number of checks? Too few and more garbage goes to the list. You will eliminate most of your false positives by just removing the word "help" from the checks. (Chan: I vote to remove "help" from the standard install. Just my two cents :-) Telling people to send their commands to the list address just *won't* help your problem. If they can't get the address right, they won't get the syntax right either. Anyone who can [be educated to] properly format a command can also [be educated to] send it to the right address. Now, if you really believe that users should be rewarded for only getting one out of two right between addresses and syntax, you're picking the wrong one. When they still can't get it right, you penalize the entire list by forwarding their malformed requests on to the list. And it seems that not everyone who can [be educated to] send it to the right address can as easily [be educated to] properly format a command. A better approach is to be more forgiving on the syntax as long as they get the address right. I am working on plans to create a free-form request parser that will sit on the -request address and look for keywords like resend's administrivia checks. If it decides it is a subscribe or unsubscribe request, it will forward a properly formed request to majordomo, if not then it will send a helpful reply to the sender. The MAJOR difference here is that if they *still* put in garbage the program can't understand (which *will* happen), the rest of the list doesn't see it! Has anyone else thought about or worked on a free-form request handler, even (gasp!) non-majordomo? I'd be interested in discussing it. ObMajordomo-workers: Much of my work went away when I put in an autoresponder in resend.pl. When the administrivia checks are triggered, it automatically sends a message back to the user showing them the line that triggered it and telling them that how to subscribe or unsubscribe in case that's what they were asking for. I can't believe nobody else is doing this! I've been using it for about nine months, and almost everyone gets their subscription request right the second time after they get the administrivia reply from resend. Note that the offending message is still bounced as usual; if it is a false positive (infrequent if you take out "help") I'll simply approve it, otherwise just ignore it. Chan: is an auto-reply for the administrivia checks in the latest version? Do you want my patch? The administrivia auto-reply, along with a free-form parser on -request, will allow users to send crap anywhere and get subscribed while still educating them on the correct procedures. This will benefit *other* list managers as well by reinforcing consistent standards, and it will benefit all list members who don't want to see administrivia on the list. - Alan ---- Alan Millar amillar@bolis.SF-Bay.org System Administrator http://www.bolis.com I am the great Oz! Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 01:25:51 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id BAA07947 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from reginet.bham.ac.uk (reginet.bham.ac.uk [147.188.63.74]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id BAA07924 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from med613.bham.ac.uk by reginet.bham.ac.uk; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Nov95-0438PM) id AA18172; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:26:44 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:26:44 GMT Message-Id: <9601160926.AA18172@reginet.bham.ac.uk> X-Sender: paul@reginet.bham.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Paul Key Subject: Archive aliases Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello I'm trying to set up archiving on majordomo 1.93 under D-UNIX 3.2a , Perl 5.0001m. I have created the directory as per the readme but am unsure as to how to set up the aliases for a list that will archive all messages sent to that list. Does anyone have any working alias templates they could share? regards Paul Key From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 04:40:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id EAA16162 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 04:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fprefect.sccsi.com (fprefect.sccsi.com [198.65.133.222]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id EAA16157 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 04:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fprefect@localhost) by fprefect.sccsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA09132; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 06:27:20 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 06:27:19 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Young To: Paul Key cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Archive aliases In-Reply-To: <9601160926.AA18172@reginet.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Paul Key wrote: > Hello > > I'm trying to set up archiving on majordomo 1.93 under D-UNIX 3.2a , Perl > 5.0001m. I have created the directory as per the readme but am unsure as to > how to set up the aliases for a list that will archive all messages sent to > that list. Does anyone have any working alias templates they could share? test: "|/tools/majordomo-1.93/wrapper resend -l test -h your.host.com test-outgoing" owner-test: you, test-outgoing: :include:/tools/majordomo-1.93/lists/test, test-archive owner-test-outgoing: you, test-archive: /tools/majordomo-1.93/archives/test.archive owner-test-archive: you, test-request: "|/tools/majordomo-1.93/wrapper request-answer test" owner-test-request: you, test-approval: you, test-owner: you, owner-test-owner: you, It might not be the best way...hell, it might not even be the right way... but by George, it WORKS :) From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 08:40:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA27399 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us ([192.84.215.34]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA27377 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:28:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA28388; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:28:10 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Adams To: Ronald Hahm cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Archive Problems Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 In-Reply-To: <199601150225.UAA22440@www.cedarnet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Here is a copy of my aliases entry for archiving. I am set up to port my archives over to HTML via Hypermail, but I have cut out that part in the aliases. If you continue to have problems, let me know. By the way, it is through the kindness of many on this list that I was able to get the archives and Hypermail set up correctly. Thanks especially to Brian Rankina nd Dave Wolfe. Christopher Adams Automated Systems Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Ronald Hahm wrote: > I have been unsuccessful in trying to get archiving implemented. I thought > I have followed the dirctions in the archive2.pl file but I still can not > get this to work. > > Here is an example of the mail message I get. > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 00:56:17 GMT > >From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > >To: owner-cedarnet-announce-outgoing@www.cedarnet.org > >Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 > > > >The original message was received at Mon, 15 Jan 1996 00:56:05 GMT > >from majordom@localhost > > > > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > >"|/opt/majordomo/wrapper archive -f > /home/opt/majordomo/lists/my-list.archive/my-list -m -a" (unrecoverable error) > > (expanded from: my-list) > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > >Invalid archive directory. Aborting. > > > >ABORT Invalid archive directory. Aborting. > >554 "|/opt/majordomo/wrapper archive -f > /home/opt/majordomo/lists/my-list.archive/my-list -m -a"... unknown mailer > error 2 > >Message delivered to mailing list owner-my-list-outgoing > > > > Here is am example on how my alias entry is for the mail list. > > # > # my-list mailing list > # > owner-my-list: my-list-owner > my-list: "|/opt/majordomo/wrapper resend > `/bin/cat /opt/majordomo/lists/my-list.resend` > my-list-outgoing" > my-list-owner: hahm > my-list-approval: my-list-owner > my-list-outgoing: > :include:/opt/majordomo/lists/my-list, my-list-archive > owner-my-list-outgoing: my-list-owner > my-list-archive:"|/opt/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /home/opt/majordom > o/lists/my-list.archive/my-list -m -a" > my-list-request: > "|/opt/majordomo/wrapper request-answer my-list" > owner-my-list-request: my-list-owner > > Can anyone give me suggestions I just cannot figure out what I have done > wrong. > > > Thanks in Advance, > --- > Ronald Hahm > > E-Mail Address: rh10023@cedarnet.org > > > From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 12:25:56 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA07942 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from cfa.harvard.edu (cfa.harvard.edu [128.103.40.170]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA07934 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from draco.harvard.edu by cfa.harvard.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Sep95-1159PM) id AA08987; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:11:54 -0500 Received: by draco.harvard.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02027; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:12:40 -0500 From: pobrien@draco.harvard.edu (Patrick O'Brien) Message-Id: <9601162012.AA02027@draco.harvard.edu> Subject: moderate breaks bounce To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:12:39 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, When I have moderate = yes in my_list.config, nothing gets bounced to the moderator. The platform is Digital Unix 3.2, Perl 5.000m and majordomo 1.93. Any help is appreciated. Here's how the aliases are set up: my_list: "|/var/adm/sm.bin/wrapper resend -l my_list -h cfa.harvard.edu -s my_list-outgoing" my_list-request: "|/var/adm/sm.bin/wrapper request-answer my_list" my_list-approval: pobrien@draco owner-my_list: my_list-owner my_list-owner: pobrien@draco my_list-outgoing: :include:/var/major/lists/my_list -Patrick O'Brien From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 13:25:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA11297 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.dma.be (www.dma.be [193.74.242.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA11288 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dmav2@localhost) by www.dma.be (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA27553 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 22:15:13 +0100 From: Internet Message-Id: <199601162115.WAA27553@www.dma.be> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 22:15:12 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 14:40:56 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA16658 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov [164.159.176.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA16651 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00607; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:35:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:35:49 -0700 (MST) From: "J.V. Lentini" X-Sender: lentinij@dataadmin To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Archive problems. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Help, I am at my wits' end with the archive program. Here's what is happening. When I post a large file to activate the archive I get this error mailled back to me. ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper archive -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/fws-news/fws-news.archive -m -a" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: fws-news-archive) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Receiving 2 producing fws-news-digest V1 #7 processing /usr/local/majordomo/digests/fws-news-digest/001 processing /usr/local/majordomo/digests/fws-news-digest/002 archive: No such file or directory 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper archive -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/fws-news/fws-news.archive -m -a"... unknown mailer error 5 Message delivered to mailing list owner-fws-news -------------------------------------------------------------------------- What I am unsure of is what is Sendmail balking at ? Can it not find a source file to create a digest from or is it having a problem finding its' output file. I keep changing things in my /etc/aliases and in my majordomo.cf but to no avail. Any help would be appreciated. thanks jim ################################## ## James V. Lentini ## ## Systems Analyst ## ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## ################################## From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 16:26:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA22175 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ftms.ftms.com (bajor.ftms.com [198.150.23.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA22170 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brown@localhost) by ftms.ftms.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA08104 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:12:05 -0600 From: Vidiot Message-Id: <199601170012.SAA08104@ftms.ftms.com> Subject: Version 1.93 problem To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:12:05 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk OK, I'm new to this list and to the majordomo suite of programs. I finally got it going, after turning my grey hair greyer. Consider the following: >From the Makefile: W_MAJORDOMO_CF=/etc/majordomo.cf WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ -DHOME=\"HOME=${W_HOME}\" -DSHELL=\"SHELL=${W_SHELL}\" \ -DMAJORDOMO_CF=\"MAJORDOMO_CF=${W_MAJORDOMO_CF}\" Notice that is has "/etc/majordomo.cf" as the configuration file. When installing the software, the sample.cf is copied into the home directory as majordomo.cf. That file is obviously incorrect, since the good one is in /etc. The problem is that wrapper appears to be setting the MAJORDOMO_CF environment variable wrong, since the following line sets the WRONG config file. $cf = $ENV{"MAJORDOMO_CF"} || "/etc/majordomo.cf"; I know that it is setting the wrong path because if I symbolic link the majordomo.cf file to /etc/majordomo.cf, things start to work. What is wrapper doing wrong? Did I do something wrong? Thanks for any pointers. MB -- System Administrator - FT/MS - Madison WI. e-mail: brown@ftms.com phone: (608) 273-8262 fax: (608) 273-8719 voice-mail: (800) 426-6488 ext 6293 Visit - (Your link to Star Trek and UPN) From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 17:26:02 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA25639 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca [205.206.207.101]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA25632 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [205.206.207.30] by hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA29286; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:24:50 -0500 Message-Id: <30FC5028.8FC@harte-lyne.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:26:00 -0500 From: "James B. Byrne" Organization: Harte & Lyne Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Vidiot Cc: Majordomo Users Mailing list Subject: Re: Version 1.93 problem References: <199601170012.SAA08104@ftms.ftms.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Vidiot wrote: > > OK, I'm new to this list and to the majordomo suite of programs. > > I finally got it going, after turning my grey hair greyer. > > Consider the following: > > >From the Makefile: > > W_MAJORDOMO_CF=/etc/majordomo.cf > > WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ > -DHOME=\"HOME=${W_HOME}\" -DSHELL=\"SHELL=${W_SHELL}\" \ > -DMAJORDOMO_CF=\"MAJORDOMO_CF=${W_MAJORDOMO_CF}\" > > Notice that is has "/etc/majordomo.cf" as the configuration file. When > installing the software, the sample.cf is copied into the home directory > as majordomo.cf. That file is obviously incorrect, since the good one is > in /etc. The problem is that wrapper appears to be setting the MAJORDOMO_CF > environment variable wrong, since the following line sets the WRONG config > file. > > $cf = $ENV{"MAJORDOMO_CF"} || "/etc/majordomo.cf"; > > I know that it is setting the wrong path because if I symbolic link > the majordomo.cf file to /etc/majordomo.cf, things start to work. > > What is wrapper doing wrong? Did I do something wrong? > > Thanks for any pointers. > > I don't know if wrong is the right word but the problem you encountered is exactly the one that was driving me crazy last week. I too had a symbolic link in "/etc/majordomo.cf --> /opt/majordomo/majordomo.cf" and recompiled and reinstalled the product (after I have figured out what suid and sgid 54 implied in the Makefile). Of course this overwrote /opt/majordomo/majordomo.cf so I did the following to prevent that from happening again: #cd /opt/majordomo #vi majordomo.cf ~ ~ a certain amount of editing ---- :w majordomo.cf.loc :q # #cd /etc #rm majordomo.cf #ln -s /opt/majordomo.cf.loc majordomo.cf # and Bob's your uncle... everything worked, except the log file wouldn't open. I spent several days tracking this down and I finally resorted to this: #cd /opt/majordomo #cp majordomo.cf.loc majordomo.cf # And guess what? Everything worked perfectly! I don't know where things went astray. Perhaps I didn't make the proper choices in th Makefile, although I did get to do it several times so I think I mostly understood what I was doing towards the end. Because I couldn't be sure that I had set the path to /etc/majordomo.cf before compiling I didn't bother the list with my concerns but it may be that there is a problem in the distribution. Jim From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 18:56:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA01327 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.queernet.org [140.174.78.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA01322 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:47:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from attitude.queernet.org by queernet.queernet.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tcNth-000D26C; Tue, 16 Jan 96 18:46 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960117024447.0150edf4@queernet.org> X-Sender: rogerk@queernet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:44:47 -0800 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Subject: bulk_mailer on BSD/OS 2.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is anyone running this combination? When I build it (changing the isblank() function to isblankline() to remove confusion) I get segmentation faults at the scan of the Return-Path: header... the pointer to the colon always seems to be NULL, despite the successful return of the same strchr() call if I invoke it manually in gdb. Any ideas? Alternatively, anyone have a compiled one? Thanx. (Is there a bulk_mailer list yet?) --- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 16 23:41:10 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA23656 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id XAA23650 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from trym.ifi.uio.no (1368@trym.ifi.uio.no [129.240.94.30]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:29:15 +0100 Received: (from thomasg@localhost) by trym.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:29:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:29:14 +0100 From: Thomas Gramstad Reply-To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Index and get (archive) don't work Message-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Index and get don't work. They don't find the files. For example: -- >>>> index listname #### No files available for listname. -- This is the same for several lists, even though the archive files, each with the name listname.archive, all have protection 664. Any ideas? --------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Gramstad thomasg@ifi.uio.no From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 17 02:43:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id CAA08144 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 02:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id CAA08126; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 02:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from slurp.neu.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id CAA16467; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 02:34:29 -0800 Received: from localhost by slurp.neu.sgi.com via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/911001.SGI) id LAA25535; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:32:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199601171032.LAA25535@slurp.neu.sgi.com> To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Updated the documentation for Majordomo? Send it in!!! Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:32:01 +0100 From: Chan Wilson Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I know several people have either rewritten sections of the help messages or written new documentation for "simple" users. I'd be more than happy to include it in the next Majordomo release (1.94) if you send it in... --Chan Chan Wilson --- cwilson@sgi.com --- +4138-433-760 Silicon Graphics, SA. Cortaillod, Switzerland. "Network Analyst" && Irix Guru && Gravitational Engineer From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 17 07:26:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA24869 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:21:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov [164.159.176.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA24855 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA05766; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:21:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:21:41 -0700 (MST) From: "J.V. Lentini" X-Sender: lentinij@dataadmin To: Ronald Hahm cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Another beginner question - archive problems In-Reply-To: <199601080013.SAA06722@www.cedarnet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Did anyone ever reply to this ? I too am beginning to feel like a dolt. Waht should be a trivial software install is hellacious. I would love to see a step by step tutorial including explicit directory structures for archive and digest. ################################## ## James V. Lentini ## ## Systems Analyst ## ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## ################################## On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Ronald Hahm wrote: > Anyone out there care to give me a step by step process for setting up an > archive for a list? Everytime someone sends a message on the list that I > have setup the archive part fails to work. I am sure that I have missed > something but I cannot seem to figure it out. > > Thanks in advance, > > --- > Ronald Hahm > > E-Mail Address: rh10023@cedarnet.org > > > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 17 07:56:43 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA26806 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov [164.159.176.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA26794 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA06119; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:56:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:56:20 -0700 (MST) From: "J.V. Lentini" X-Sender: lentinij@dataadmin To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Archiving Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk After a nights sleep, I have re-formulated my questions concerning archives. 1. In /etc/aliases when you give the archive -f command are you specifying the file it should read or the file it should output ? 2. Are the paths for archive and digest absolute including the complete filename, or do you create a path which points to the directory which archive should work in. 3. Has anyone textually flow-charted the process of archive happening? IE does it take incoming mail and reroute it to a file which then is read by digest and and digets does its' gig ? Help me Majordomo-users, you're my only hope thanks jim ################################## ## James V. Lentini ## ## Systems Analyst ## ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## ################################## From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 17 10:56:43 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA06330 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us ([192.84.215.34]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA06307 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA13197; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:53:40 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Adams To: "J.V. Lentini" cc: Ronald Hahm , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Another beginner question - archive problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk If your list is working, and you want to add archiving, follow these steps. 1) Copy archiv2.pl to the directory where wrapper lives. 2) Create a directory for the archives and be sure Majordomo has full permissions in it, eg: mkdir /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive chmod 0770 /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive chown majordom /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive 3) Edit yourmajordomo.cf file to specify the archive directory: $filedir= "$listdir"; $filedir_suffix= ".archive"; @archiv_dirs= <$listdir/*.archive>; 4) Add the following alias ('listname' is generic: use your list name): listname-archive:"|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive/listname 5) Change your outgoing alias to also deliver to the archive alias: listname-outgoing::include:/path/to/majordomo/lists/listname,listname-archive Of course the switches for archive2.pl are up to you, but the -f designates the directory to write the archives into. In this case, I made a directory called listname.archive as a subdirectory of lists. The -m sets it to archive monthly, but you could use -d for daily. The -a appends the archive one message at a time. E-mail me for further help. I already sent a copy of my alias setup. Christopher Adams Automated Systems Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, J.V. Lentini wrote: > Did anyone ever reply to this ? I too am beginning to feel like a dolt. > Waht should be a trivial software install is hellacious. I would love to > see a step by step tutorial including explicit directory structures for > archive and digest. > > ################################## > ## James V. Lentini ## > ## Systems Analyst ## > ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## > ################################## > > On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Ronald Hahm wrote: > > > Anyone out there care to give me a step by step process for setting up an > > archive for a list? Everytime someone sends a message on the list that I > > have setup the archive part fails to work. I am sure that I have missed > > something but I cannot seem to figure it out. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > --- > > Ronald Hahm > > > > E-Mail Address: rh10023@cedarnet.org > > > > > > > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 17 12:26:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA10747 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from igate1.melpar.esys.com (igate1.melpar.esys.com [198.4.96.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA10726 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:21:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by igate1.melpar.esys.com id AA14840 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:20:01 -0500 Received: from igate2.melpar.esys.com(198.4.96.2) by igate1.melpar.esys.com via smap (V1.3) id sma014832; Wed Jan 17 15:19:49 1996 Received: from ralph.isp.melpar.esys.com by igate5.isp.melpar.esys.com with SMTP id AA26435 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM); Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:19:29 -0500 Received: by ralph.isp.melpar.esys.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA08187; Wed, 17 Jan 96 15:18:18 -0500 From: "Bean" Message-Id: <9601171518.ZM8185@ralph.isp.melpar.esys.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:18:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Majordomo 1.93 usage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk To whom it may concern, We here at E_Systems are attempting to set up majordomo. All was going well when we discovered there is no mention of HOW TO POST to a list. We have spent many hours in RTFM, but to no avail. I know, sounds stupid doesn't it. We probably missed the most obvious. Your help will be most appreciated. Thanks in advance... Curt -- - ___________________________________________________________________________ N. Curt Bean UNIX System Support, Information Services E-SYSTEMS Melpar Division, (703) 560-5000, ext 4549 Internet: nbean@melpar.esys.com UUCP: uunet!melpar!nbean From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 17 14:26:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA19331 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from caracas.terraport.net (caracas.terraport.net [205.189.144.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA19317 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from westhill.skl.com (root@link.skl.com [205.233.242.254]) by caracas.terraport.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA13192 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 16:48:19 -0500 Received: from abacab.skl.com (abacab.skl.com [205.233.242.127]) by westhill.skl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA03498 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:12:38 -0500 Received: by abacab.skl.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE4FD.A25A5DC0@abacab.skl.com>; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:02:50 -0500 Message-ID: <01BAE4FD.A25A5DC0@abacab.skl.com> From: Steve Linn To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Problems when CC Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:02:48 -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I don't know if anyone has ever had this before but it had an unusual error happen last night. Someone sent mail to one of my mailing lists, but instead of the TO: being addressed to the list, the user used the CC. This caused me all sorts of problems. I kept seeing error messages from sendmail about "CLONE" to the list owner and the message to the list kept looping. I finally killed the "wrapper" program to stop the loop. Has anyone ever had this happen before. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I upset a lot of users on the list and as a result, there has been a mass exodus to unsubscribe from the list. Thanks, and have a good day.......... Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Systems Knowledge Link SKL Enterprises Dealers/Consultants in Computer Software Equipment Internet Services WWW Pages Remote Services Steve Linn E-Mail: slinn@skl.com http://www.skl.com From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 17 14:56:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA21095 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov [164.159.176.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA21090 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:46:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA13146; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:46:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:46:17 -0700 (MST) From: Jim Lentini X-Sender: lentinij@dataadmin To: Chris Adams cc: "J.V. Lentini" , Ronald Hahm , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Another beginner question - archive problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Right on thanks for the explicitness. This got me out of the hot water. Also in the process of fixing things I discovered an odd problem : In my alias for listname-archive I have this line : lisname-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper archive -a -m -f /usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.archive/listname" The funny thing was I kept getting a file not found error for archive. I was assuming this referred to a directory path but this was not the case. My archive2.pl file which I renamed archived was located in /usr/local/majordomo/bin . So I assumed that since it followed the wrapper it would be seen too. It turns out that it needed to be in the home directory and then all was fine. Thanks everyone for your help :) ################################## ## James V. Lentini ## ## Systems Analyst ## ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## ################################## On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Chris Adams wrote: > If your list is working, and you want to add archiving, follow these steps. > > 1) Copy archiv2.pl to the directory where wrapper lives. > > 2) Create a directory for the archives and be sure Majordomo has full > permissions in it, eg: > > mkdir /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive > chmod 0770 /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive > chown majordom /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive > > 3) Edit yourmajordomo.cf file to specify the archive directory: > > $filedir= "$listdir"; > $filedir_suffix= ".archive"; > @archiv_dirs= <$listdir/*.archive>; > > 4) Add the following alias ('listname' is generic: use your list name): > > listname-archive:"|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f > /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive/listname > > 5) Change your outgoing alias to also deliver to the archive alias: > > listname-outgoing::include:/path/to/majordomo/lists/listname,listname-archive > > Of course the switches for archive2.pl are up to you, but the -f > designates the directory to write the archives into. In this case, I made > a directory called listname.archive as a subdirectory of lists. The -m > sets it to archive monthly, but you could use -d for daily. > The -a appends the archive one message at a time. > > E-mail me for further help. I already sent a copy of my alias setup. > > Christopher Adams > Automated Systems > Oregon State Library > chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us > > > On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, J.V. Lentini wrote: > > > Did anyone ever reply to this ? I too am beginning to feel like a dolt. > > Waht should be a trivial software install is hellacious. I would love to > > see a step by step tutorial including explicit directory structures for > > archive and digest. > > > > ################################## > > ## James V. Lentini ## > > ## Systems Analyst ## > > ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## > > ################################## > > > > On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Ronald Hahm wrote: > > > > > Anyone out there care to give me a step by step process for setting up an > > > archive for a list? Everytime someone sends a message on the list that I > > > have setup the archive part fails to work. I am sure that I have missed > > > something but I cannot seem to figure it out. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > --- > > > Ronald Hahm > > > > > > E-Mail Address: rh10023@cedarnet.org > > > > > > > > > > > > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 17 15:41:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA22642 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from VAX6.CSMC.EDU (VAX6.CSMC.EDU [192.203.41.6]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id PAA22637 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: Mark_LoBue%SICU@CCMAIL.CSMC.EDU Received: from ccmail.csmc.edu by CSMC.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #5597) id <01I04DUOX3688WVZAM@CSMC.EDU>; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Index and get (archive) don't work To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <01I04DUPX9928WVZAM@CSMC.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I believe the directory name should be ..../list.archive Then all files in that directory are visible to index. -Mark ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Index and get (archive) don't work Author: thomasg@ifi.uio.no at issvax Date: 1/17/96 12:29 AM Index and get don't work. They don't find the files. For example: -- >>>> index listname #### No files available for listname. -- This is the same for several lists, even though the archive files, each with the name listname.archive, all have protection 664. Any ideas? --------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Gramstad thomasg@ifi.uio.no From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 17 18:41:57 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA03563 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:29:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from theta.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (theta.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp [157.82.96.67]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA03526 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from soup.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp by theta.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9) with SMTP id LAA04208; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:28:13 +0900 Received: by soup.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (4.1/3.3W9) id AA17622; Thu, 18 Jan 96 11:41:07 JST Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 11:41:07 JST From: "Y.Xu" Message-Id: <9601180241.AA17622@soup.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp> To: lentinij@dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov Subject: Re: Archiving Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > 1. In /etc/aliases when you give the archive -f command are you > specifying the file it should read or the file it should output ? > > 2. Are the paths for archive and digest absolute including the complete > filename, or do you create a path which points to the directory which > archive should work in. > > 3. Has anyone textually flow-charted the process of archive happening? IE > does it take incoming mail and reroute it to a file which then is read by > digest and and digets does its' gig ? > > Help me Majordomo-users, you're my only hope > > > thanks jim > > ################################## > ## James V. Lentini ## > ## Systems Analyst ## > ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## > ################################## Hi I got my archive work just few days ago,I write down my setting here.Hope it useful for you.By the way,my digest doesn't work now.If you get it work tell me how to do it please. 1.I put the Majordomo in /home/majordomo /home/majordomo/bin all executable files including archive2.pl( or you can rename archive2.pl to archive,i did it like this ) as well as majordomo.cf /home/majordomo/archive archive father directory. /home/majordomo/archive/test archive directory of your ml test. 2. in majordomo.cf file,i set $filedir = "/home/majordomo/archive"; $filedir_suffix = ""; @archive_dirs=("/home/majordomo/archive/test","/home/majordomo/archive/dir-name of other-ml") 3.in /etc/aliases test-archive: "|/home/majordomo/bin/wrapper archive -f /home/majordomo/archive/test/test -m -a" # if you leave archive2.pl under bin,then here archive = archive2.pl good lucky. Y.Xu University of Tokyo Voice:+81-3-3402-6231 ext 2247 email:joe@kappa.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 18 06:57:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA28974 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:55:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from fprefect.sccsi.com (fprefect.sccsi.com [198.65.133.222]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA28548 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fprefect@localhost) by fprefect.sccsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA00915; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:42:02 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:42:02 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Young To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: A couple of problems. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Well, I seem to still have a couple of nagging problems with my li'l box here, so if you don't mind, I'll pick your brains on this one. 1) For some reason, Majordomo isn't logging anything. Nada. Zilch. The directory is correct, with correct ownership/permissions/etc. This isn't really a problem as far as I'm concerned, other than it'd be nice to know what it's doing/has done. :) 2) Here's the more important of the two. I have a total of about 8 mailing lists set up. They're all working properly as far as I can tell, including archiving. The stuff is all going to /tools/majordomo-1.93/archives just like it should. BUT: If you issue an index command, you get told there aren't any files available. I've been over and over this, checking and re-checking the directories, permissions, and even the majordomo.cf to make sure it's got the right information. the .cf file shows this: # Majordomo will look for "get" and "index" files related to $list in # directory "$filedir/$list$filedir_suffix", so set $filedir and # $filedir_suffix appropriately. For instance, to look in # /usr/local/mail/files/$list, use: # $filedir = "/usr/local/mail/files"; # $filedir_suffix = ""; # empty string # or to look in $listdir/$list.archive, use: # $filedir = "$listdir"; # $filedir_suffix = ".archive"; $filedir = "/tools/majordomo-1.93/archives"; $filedir_suffix = ""; All of the files, of course, are file.archive9601 (I'm using monthly archives) and all have read/write permissions allowing Majordomo access to them as it needs. Can someone perhaps point me in the right direction? Lists all go to /tools/majordomo-1.93/lists, and while I did notice in the list.config files a couple of variables asking for archive directory and what-not, I also noticed these same variables instructed the user to leave them blank as the feature was not yet working. I've spent quite a few hours on this now, but seem to be making little headway... Frustrated, but not giving up yet, dammit! *smile* TIA, Michael Young From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 18 07:57:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA02136 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA00312 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id BAA10355; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:54:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199601180954.BAA10355@mycroft.GreatCircle.COM> Received: from dizzy.newsdesk.com(194.128.159.1) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma010352; Thu Jan 18 01:53:44 1996 Received: by dizzy.ipmg.co.uk (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA02155; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:56:22 GMT From: Edmund Ward Subject: Where's the Subject? To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 9:56:22 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all My majordomo seems to be working all fine and fandabulously (Hooray!) My only problem with it is that it does not seem to include the Subject: part of the header when I send messages to the list. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be? I'm using Majordomo 1.93 with Perl 5.001m and sendmail. Cheerio...ed From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 18 08:30:38 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA02530 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA00325 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id GAA13951; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:18:46 -0800 Received: from mailhost.tamu.edu(128.194.178.26) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma013946; Thu Jan 18 06:17:48 1996 Received: from keck.tamu.edu (KECK.TAMU.EDU [165.95.41.233]) by mailhost.tamu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA15572 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:19:50 -0600 Received: by keck.tamu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02659; Thu, 18 Jan 96 08:26:51 CST Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:26:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Andrew J. Jackson" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Preseving digest issues Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a digested version of a mailing list up and running. However, any previous digest issues is deleted when a new one is generated. Saving these previous digest issues is desired, but I have not found a reference in digested list configuration file nor the FAQs on how to do this. Help? ----- Andrew J. Jackson ajackson@keck.tamu.edu From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 18 08:33:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA02729 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA00346 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id BAA09873; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:18:27 -0800 Received: from bastion1.bazis.nl(130.78.143.1) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma009867; Thu Jan 18 01:17:48 1996 Received: from bazu05.bazis.nl by bastion1.hiscom.nl id aa18276; 18 Jan 96 10:19 WET Subject: Majordomo's all over the place [HEEELP] To: user alias Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:19:38 +0100 (WET) From: Ray Vermey X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601181019.aa07178@bazu05.hiscom.nl> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all, When i send a mail to majordomo and do a ps I see majordomo's all over the place!. I just installed it but there is something wrong I am afraid ;)). This is what the Logfile says: Jan 18 08:32:53 bazu05.bazis.nl majordomo[1121] {Raymond Vermey } ABORT do_exec_sendmail, number of args <= 1 unsafe to exec I am running Sco 3.4.2 with mmdf. This leads me to my next remark: What does one fill in for the mailer program ? Instead of Sendmail in the configfile I put 'mail' in it. Maybe that is what is wrong ? Anyone an idea ? Thanx Ray -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ray Vermey - Hiscom B.V. | Systemmanager Unix Systems |WWW Homepage: Schipholweg 97 |//www.bazis.nl/personal/rvermey/Welcome 2316 XA Leiden | The Netherlands |Terranova @ DICS (dds.dds.nl) Phone: +31 71 5256696 |Terranova @ FICS (caissa.onenet.net) Fax : +31 71 5216675 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 18 08:36:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA02701 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA00342 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id EAA12545; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 04:45:24 -0800 Received: from wwti.iway.net(198.80.71.50) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma012535; Thu Jan 18 04:44:51 1996 Received: (from gregg@localhost) by wwti.iway.net (8.6.12/8.7.3) id GAA11240; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:52:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:52:10 -0600 (CST) From: Gregg Graubins To: Gary Halleen cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199601122326.PAA21672@mail.ncn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Gary Halleen wrote: > I've installed majordomo-1.93 on my BSDI 2.0 computer, and have made > progress, but now see this error: > > I've checked ownership of the directories, and they APPEAR to be correct... > > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > "|/usr/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Message delivered to mailing list > open of temp file /usr/home/majordom/lists/shlock.2543 failed > Permission denied > ABORT open of temp file /usr/home/majordom/lists/shlock.2543 failed > Permission denied at /usr/home/majordom/majordomo.pl line 209, <> line 1. > 554 "|/usr/home/majordom/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 2 Hmmm I was getting an error like that at one time... Try checking your wrapper program to make sure you compiled it correctly. Especially check it's Makefile. --- Gregg Graubins Whitewater Technologies, Inc. From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 18 08:47:19 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA07731 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from dizzy.ipmg.co.uk (dizzy.newsdesk.com [194.128.159.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA02651 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:04:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601181604.IAA02651@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: by dizzy.ipmg.co.uk (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA12773; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:08:13 GMT From: Edmund Ward Subject: Where's the subject bit? To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 16:08:13 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello everbuddy My MD seems to be working just fine at the moment except for one leetle thing. When I send a message to a list with the "Approved: password" bit at the top of the message, the message goes to the list alright, but the "Subject:" field is missing from the distributed message. Anyone know why? Thank you for your time. Cheerio...ed From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 18 09:11:07 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA09725 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ncn.com (libmail.chemek.cc.or.us [199.101.8.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA08991 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:44:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from www (www.chemek.cc.or.us [199.101.8.101]) by mail.ncn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA26737 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:51:32 -0800 Message-ID: <30FE7943.6FA8@ncn.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:45:55 -0800 From: Gary Halleen Organization: Network Connect Northwest X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Another beginner question - archive problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The book "Managing Internet Information Servers" has a very nice chapter on this topic. J.V. Lentini wrote: > > Did anyone ever reply to this ? I too am beginning to feel like a dolt. > Waht should be a trivial software install is hellacious. I would love to > see a step by step tutorial including explicit directory structures for > archive and digest. > > ################################## > ## James V. Lentini ## > ## Systems Analyst ## > ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## > ################################## > > On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Ronald Hahm wrote: > > > Anyone out there care to give me a step by step process for setting up an > > archive for a list? Everytime someone sends a message on the list that I > > have setup the archive part fails to work. I am sure that I have missed > > something but I cannot seem to figure it out. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > --- > > Ronald Hahm > > > > E-Mail Address: rh10023@cedarnet.org > > > > > > From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 18 09:27:06 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA11001 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from campus.rzs.itesm.mx (campus.rzs.itesm.mx [132.254.3.7]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA10171; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by campus.rzs.itesm.mx (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29283; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:03:37 -0600 From: "Ing. Arturo Castro" Message-Id: <9601181103.ZM6753@campus.rzs.itesm.mx> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:03:37 -0600 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: One question Cc: majordomo-owner@greatcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all: Anybody knows what happen when sendmail returns an error like this: --- The transcript of the session follows --- sh: 24798 Killed 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... Unknown mailer error 137 I'm using majordomo 1.93, perl 4.036 and sendmail. Thank you. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ing. Arturo Castro acastro@campus.rzs.itesm.mx Sistemas Tel.- +52 (5) 326-59-81 & 87 Direccion de Innovacion Tecnologica Fax.- +52 (5) 326-59-97 ITESM - Rectoria Zona Sur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 18 10:27:09 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA13797 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ASARian.org (ASARian.org [152.52.36.201]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA12819 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fuzzy@localhost) by ASARian.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09251; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:02:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:02:30 -0500 (EST) From: Fuzzy To: Majordomo-users List Subject: Looking for a way to send Log data to a listowner Message-ID: Organization: *fuzzies* and *e-hugs* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk we have a few lists where the list-owner is remote from the home site of the list. we'd like to impliment a new listowner-admin command that would send something like: cat ~majordom/Log | grep [listname] | tail | /bin/mail -s "tail of Log for [listname]" [mailing_address-of-listowner] listname-owner/owner-listname alias would be acceptable as a return address for the reply. does something like this exist, or would it be hard to add? thanks... Fuzzy From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 18 12:42:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA19821 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sulmail.stanford.edu (sulmail.Stanford.EDU [36.31.0.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA19021 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from SUL-Systems-CF.stanford.edu (SUL-Systems-CF.Stanford.EDU [36.31.0.30]) by sulmail.stanford.edu (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA22864 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:50:01 -0800 From: Curtis Foon To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Getting memory fault installing Majordomo 1.93 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:47:48 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0 Beta 3 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am currently running a Sun Sparc 20, SUNOS 4.1.3 and 128MB ram. I got an error compiling the wrapper program. I dFrom majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 19 16:39:12 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA29831 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from eitech (eitech.eit.COM [192.100.58.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA29819 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from frantic.eit.com (frantic.eit.com [192.100.58.188]) by eitech (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA21305 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:35:59 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960120003614.00a94c38@pop> X-Sender: bataller@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:36:14 -0800 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: "Erik M. Bataller" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, When using -request and the request-answer script I get this error: [treetops:erik] /home/erik [69] % Mail -v test-request Subject: test subscribe . EOT [treetops:erik] /home/erik [70] % test-request... aliased to "|/home/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" * Undefined subroutine "main'lopen" called at * /home/majordomo/majordomo.pl line 229, line 1. "|/home/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test"... Sent And, I was wondering about suggestions on how to autorespond to mail at a particular address? Thanks. Erik From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 19 16:54:12 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA00156 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from spitfire.cs.utah.edu (spitfire.cs.utah.edu [155.99.208.57]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA00151 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:45:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by spitfire.cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/) id TAA01858; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:44:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:44:20 -0500 From: Mark J Bradakis Message-Id: <199601200044.TAA01858@spitfire.cs.utah.edu> To: nunez@sol.helios.net CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: <9601200143.AA11687@sol.helios.net> (nunez@sol.helios.net) Subject: Re: archive/digests Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We do it all the time. Well, the archiving, not the digests. For instance, mail to unixsys goes to an archive file and to a request tracking tracking system, but unixsys is not a majordomo list, Here's the relevent entries from an alias file: unixsys: unixsys@emily.cs.utah.edu, unxsyslg unxsyslg: "|/usr/site/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/help/sys/MailArchives/unixsys" For a digest, I imagine you would replace the 'archive2.pl -a -whatever' with 'digest -whatever' mjb. From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 19 19:39:18 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA12230 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from gcap.winternet.com (gcap.winternet.com [199.199.125.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA12208 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from greg@localhost) by gcap.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA02055; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:22:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:22:26 -0600 (CST) From: Greg Blakely To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: New User Blues Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello. Probably heard this before, but I get an error when running "make"... It says: wrapper.c: in function `main': wrapper.c:65: warning: comparison between pointer and integer wrapper.c:99: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast Then, plowing merrily ahead, I do a "make install", and end up with: make: *** [install-cf] Error 127 Not being one to let a failed compile stand in my way, I went ahead and did the make wrapper and configured stuff according to the "ora" chapter. Needless to say, it required lots of time, many perl scripts modified, and the ultimate "out of memory" failure. So, now I'm back to Ground Zero. Where to start? From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 19 20:24:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA17724 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 20:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bputih.indo.net.id (bputih.indo.net.id [192.215.248.218]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA17696 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 20:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from indogtw.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by bputih.indo.net.id (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id LAA20170 for greatcircle.com!majordomo-users; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 11:16:40 +0700 Received: from intisar by indogtw.csc.ui.ac.id id aa25554; Sat, 20 Jan 96 10:46:10 WIB Received: from cc:Mail by intisar.co.id id AA822162907 Sat, 20 Jan 96 10:35:07 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 96 10:35:07 From: hondo Message-Id: <9600208221.AA822162907@intisar.co.id> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk SUBSCRIPE majordomo-users From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 20 00:07:46 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA00314 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:58:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from marikit.iphil.net (marikit.iphil.net [203.176.0.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id XAA00300 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from map@localhost) by marikit.iphil.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) id PAA07345 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:56:49 +0800 From: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" Message-Id: <199601200756.PAA07345@marikit.iphil.net> Subject: Searching archives To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:56:48 +0800 (GMT+0800) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi! One of our clients wants to have searchable archives. In fact they were comparing our majordomo hosting service to LISTSERVE--does that offer searching? In any case, is there any existing solution for offering searchable, indexed archives? I wanted to put the archives in on the Web via Hypermail and then index them with Swish, but many of this client's subscribers, including the listowner, get their mail through cc:Mail and presumably other corporate e-mail systems. If there is no solution, I'll have to develop one. Any hints on a good way of doing it? Like: sending mail to listname-search@hostname, with the body "SEARCH keyword"... which will run an index retrieval program (Glimpse?) that will give the From:, To:, Subject:, and Message-Id: of the relevant messages... then give the option to retrieve by Message-ID? Any suggestions? Thanks. -- miguel a.l. paraz -- map@iphil.net -- http://www.iphil.net/user/map/ iphil communications, makati city, philippines From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 20 00:37:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA04074 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id AAA03683 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id WAA27828; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:05:03 -0800 Received: from fprefect.sccsi.com(198.65.133.222) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma027822; Fri Jan 19 22:04:21 1996 Received: (from fprefect@localhost) by fprefect.sccsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA01165; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:06:36 -0600 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:06:36 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Young To: Steven Nunez cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: archive/digests In-Reply-To: <9601200143.AA11687@sol.helios.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > so would like to take my incoming messages from this list and archive > them. Any pointers to information on setting this up? I've seen a > recent series of messages regarding digests, but don't recall any > answers/pointers on setting them up. Try using procmail on your incoming mail to make a copy of each message coming from the list you're subscribed to to a separate file. This will give you the archive you're looking for. If you don't have procmail on your system, send a message to your sysadmin requesting it. It's quite a simple package to install. Additionally, procmail has a page on the web to aid you with installation issues as well as troubleshooting the installation you have. All that's required is the procmail package and a .forward file in your home directory (in addition to the directory for archiving and an rc file for procmail) and you're set. Mike From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 20 10:15:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA16618 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from iron.magnets.com (iron.magnets.com [206.159.0.8]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA16582 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ziggy (port31.annex4.nwlink.com [206.129.23.31]) by iron.magnets.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA03747 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:03:08 -0800 X-Homepage: Visit our home page at http://www.magnets.com/ Message-ID: <31012EC4.7A13@magnets.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:04:52 -0800 From: Tom Kee Organization: MagNet, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: List Archive Available X-URL: http://www.magnets.com/lists/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I have archived the majordomo-users list at http://www.magnets.com/lists/. I hope this proves useful. Tom Kee From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 20 15:00:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA02658 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 14:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from gcap.winternet.com (gcap.winternet.com [199.199.125.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA02653 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 14:47:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from greg@localhost) by gcap.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA03184; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:46:19 -0600 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:46:16 -0600 (CST) From: Greg Blakely To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="PAA03147.822175046/gcap.winternet.com" Content-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --PAA03147.822175046/gcap.winternet.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Well, this is what's happening to mine! Of course, like I said yesterday, there was the warnings in the compile about comparing integers to pointers, but it made wrapper anyway. "wrapper test" worked, but showed all four as g/uid 54... Any help here? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:57:26 -0600 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: greg@gcap.winternet.com Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 126 The original message was received at Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:57:24 -0600 from atlas.gcap.winternet.com [204.246.109.4] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list sh: /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper: Permission denied 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 126 ----- Original message follows ----- --PAA03147.822175046/gcap.winternet.com Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Return-Path: Greg.Blakely@atlas.gcap.winternet.com Received: from atlas.gcap.winternet.com (atlas.gcap.winternet.com [204.246.109.4]) by gcap.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA03146 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:57:24 -0600 From: Greg.Blakely@atlas.gcap.winternet.com Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:56:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Lists To: majordomo@gcap.winternet.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: AdeptMail version 0.30 (BETA) info turkey end --PAA03147.822175046/gcap.winternet.com-- From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 20 18:30:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA09294 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail (mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [204.255.212.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA09280 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA27530; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:21:13 +0500 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:21:12 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, Greg Blakely wrote: > Well, this is what's happening to mine! Of course, like I said yesterday, > there was the warnings in the compile about comparing integers to pointers, > but it made wrapper anyway. > "wrapper test" worked, but showed all four as g/uid 54... > Any help here? uid 54 and gid 54 are the defaults in the Makefile as distributed. You need to edit these lines in the POSIX section of the Makefile to agree with the actual uid and gid in your /etc/passwd entry for the "majordom" user: W_UID = 54 W_GID = 54 Then recompile wrapper. You'll probably still get those "comparison between pointer and integer" warnings, but at least "majordom's" uid and gid will be correct so you'll be able to try a test list. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 20 18:45:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA10065 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.infoshare.net (mercury.infoshare.net [199.212.229.202]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA10060 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by mercury.infoshare.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA07847; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:40:36 -0500 Received: from hermes(142.148.10.52) by mercury via smap (V1.3) id sma007835; Sat Jan 20 21:40:11 1996 Received: from protector by hermes.fundserv.com (8.6.12/Sun-bp) id VAA00935; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:40:36 -0500 Received: (hugh@localhost) by protector (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA14247; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:40:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:40:09 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Ferguson X-Sender: hugh@protector To: Greg Blakely cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, Greg Blakely wrote: > Well, this is what's happening to mine! Of course, like I said yesterday, > there was the warnings in the compile about comparing integers to pointers, > but it made wrapper anyway. > "wrapper test" worked, but showed all four as g/uid 54... > Any help here? > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Message delivered to mailing list > sh: /usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper: Permission denied ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This looks suspicious. If I didn't know any better, I'd say that the wrapper's execute attributes hadn't been set. I could be way off. It's unlikely if the wrapper was compiled with the default makefile, but it may be worth checking out. +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Hugh Ferguson | Core-LAN Communications | | H_Ferguson@corelan.com | 2, First Canadian Pl. | | http://www.corelan.com/~hugh/ | Toronto, Ont. | | ph: (416)-362-7378 | M5X 1E5 | | fax: (416)-362-8772 | | +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 20 19:45:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA12039 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 19:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA12024 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 19:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (cjwoods@router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA04211; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:33:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:33:04 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: Greg Blakely cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, Greg Blakely wrote: > Well, this is what's happening to mine! Of course, like I said yesterday, > there was the warnings in the compile about comparing integers to pointers, > but it made wrapper anyway. > "wrapper test" worked, but showed all four as g/uid 54... > Any help here? [...] Sounds to me like you need to edit the Makefile and comment out the appropriate section near the beginning dependent upon your OS. Uncomment the BSD section if you're running a BSD-based system, or uncomment the POSIX section if you're running a POSIX-compliant system. Then change W_USER and W_GROUP to be valid userid and gid that you want majordomo to run as, after you have created the user and group. THen be sure that wrapper is setuid root if you're POSIX, or setgid if BSD. Then recompile. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -D. Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 00:30:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA01166 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bastix.tunix.kun.nl ([131.174.20.39]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id AAA01098 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by bastix.tunix.kun.nl (8.7.1/8.6.12) id JAA17230 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:42:39 GMT Received: from omegix.tunix.kun.nl(172.16.2.15) by bastix.tunix.kun.nl via smap (V1.3) id sma016816; Sun Jan 21 09:42:33 1996 Received: from localhost by (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25110; Sun, 21 Jan 96 09:17:42 +0100 Message-Id: <9601210817.AA25110@> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: chroot Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:17:42 +0100 From: Leo Willems Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Did someone setup a chroot environment for Majordomo? If so, where the effords justified to gain more security? If so, please mail a ls -lR for the system-part of that tree. (please take care and don't mail any private stuff like list names,...) Leo From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 00:43:07 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA02046 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from bastix.tunix.kun.nl ([131.174.20.39]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id AAA02041 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:29:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by bastix.tunix.kun.nl (8.7.1/8.6.12) id JAA17476 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:49:09 GMT Received: from omegix.tunix.kun.nl(172.16.2.15) by bastix.tunix.kun.nl via smap (V1.3) id sma017209; Sun Jan 21 09:48:56 1996 Received: from localhost by (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25131; Sun, 21 Jan 96 09:24:05 +0100 Message-Id: <9601210824.AA25131@> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: perl-5x Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:24:04 +0100 From: Leo Willems Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The FAQ mentions that "majordomo" and "resend" should be fixed for perl 5.x by escaping the @ sign in mail addresses. I did so but this sould (IHMO) also be done in: bounce-remind config_parse.pl digest majordomo.cf new-list request-answer Is this observation correct? (and since majordomo is evalled: can't that bite you?) Leo I use Majordomo on SunOS 4.1.4, using perl-5.000 From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 04:30:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id EAA26172 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 04:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from spartan.tamu.edu (spartan.tamu.edu [128.194.80.8]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id EAA26162 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 04:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from yachts@localhost) by spartan.tamu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA09874; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:32:01 -0600 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:32:01 -0600 (CST) From: Scott - Yachtsman To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Fixed missing message problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hey all...I hope you haven't replied to the last messages I sent, but I fixed the problem. it was not a lock problem as I had though, but a unknown user bounce message. I am not the owner of the list so I had not received the status messages, but I edited /etc/aliases and got the status back from it, edited the list, and worked like a charm. Well, thanks for the help, and hope everyone has a good weekend, what is left of it. ...Bye...Scott - Yachtsman From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 06:30:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA07340 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fprefect.sccsi.com (fprefect.sccsi.com [198.65.133.222]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA07318 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fprefect@localhost) by fprefect.sccsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA02924; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:21:42 -0600 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:21:37 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Young To: Greg Blakely cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="PAA03147.822175046/gcap.winternet.com" Content-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --PAA03147.822175046/gcap.winternet.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: > Well, this is what's happening to mine! Of course, like I said yesterday, > there was the warnings in the compile about comparing integers to pointers, > but it made wrapper anyway. > "wrapper test" worked, but showed all four as g/uid 54... > Any help here? This is something that should be documented a little more heavily, as lots of people, including myself, have had problems with this. In the makefile, when you're compiling with POSIX, you need to set the userid and groupid from the "majordom" user you create. In other words: Step 1) untar the sources. Step 2) Create the majordom user and group. Note the UID and GID. Step 3) Edit the makefile, adding in the UID and GID of the majordom user/group. Step 4) Run the make, etc. --PAA03147.822175046/gcap.winternet.com Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Return-Path: Greg.Blakely@atlas.gcap.winternet.com Received: from atlas.gcap.winternet.com (atlas.gcap.winternet.com [204.246.109.4]) by gcap.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA03146 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:57:24 -0600 From: Greg.Blakely@atlas.gcap.winternet.com Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:56:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Lists To: majordomo@gcap.winternet.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: AdeptMail version 0.30 (BETA) info turkey end --PAA03147.822175046/gcap.winternet.com-- From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 06:45:56 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA09377 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gcap.winternet.com (gcap.winternet.com [199.199.125.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA09372 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from greg@localhost) by gcap.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA03810; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:37:55 -0600 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:37:51 -0600 (CST) From: Greg Blakely To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > THen be sure that > wrapper is setuid root if you're POSIX. > Well, my opening Linux screen says (POSIX), so that seems pretty clear, but for setting the line "setuid root", the only thing that works is "setuid(0)" (zero being the root user id). I'll see if that works. Thanks! From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 08:45:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA21207 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from fprefect.sccsi.com (fprefect.sccsi.com [198.65.133.222]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA21183 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fprefect@localhost) by fprefect.sccsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00196; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:36:42 -0600 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:36:41 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Young To: Greg Blakely cc: Chris Woods , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > THen be sure that > > wrapper is setuid root if you're POSIX. > > > Well, my opening Linux screen says (POSIX), so that seems pretty clear, but > for setting the line "setuid root", the only thing that works is > "setuid(0)" (zero being the root user id). > I'll see if that works. > Thanks! As I run Linux, I can assure you, it works quite well :) From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 09:15:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA24612 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gcap.winternet.com (gcap.winternet.com [199.199.125.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA24593 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from greg@localhost) by gcap.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00424; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:11:28 -0600 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:11:26 -0600 (CST) From: Greg Blakely To: Michael Young cc: Chris Woods , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Michael Young wrote: > > > THen be sure that > > > wrapper is setuid root if you're POSIX. > > > > > Well, my opening Linux screen says (POSIX), so that seems pretty clear, but > > for setting the line "setuid root", the only thing that works is > > "setuid(0)" (zero being the root user id). > > I'll see if that works. > > Thanks! > > As I run Linux, I can assure you, it works quite well :) > It all appears to be running fine, now. I was even able to get a test list working between two of my machines here. I still DO get an "out of memory" error and an (unrecoverable error) when it runs wrapper majordomo... And I get an error message for every message that goes through, along with a tremendous amount of disk activity. I have checked my disk space and I have about 750 megs left, with a 40 meg swap partition, so I doubt that message handling is filling it all up. >From reading the FAQ, it mentions that maybe permissions aren't set the way they should be, so I went so far as to set ALL files and ALL directories that pertain to majordomo as mode 777, and majordom group and user own all of it. Any thoughts here? From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 11:15:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA03890 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from accesspt.com (eor.accesspt.com [204.253.19.9]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA03853 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nazan@localhost) by accesspt.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA00275 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:59:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:59:19 -0500 From: Nazan Basol Message-Id: <199601211959.OAA00275@accesspt.com> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: innd Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I installed inn. I didnt read any news yet. It runs innd but I get this error in /var/log/news/news.err & /var/log/news/news.notice: >Jan 21 14:41:40 eor innd: ME cant recv CCreader Invalid argument Jan 21 14:41:40 eor last message repeated 13 times I coudnt find anything about this error in inn-faq. I am using linux 1.2.8 Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Nazan Basol nazan@accesspt.com From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 11:19:31 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA04419 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from noah.smumn.edu (NOAH.smumn.edu [140.190.128.63]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA04401 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by noah.smumn.edu (5.64/A/UX-3.00) id AA03552; Sun, 21 Jan 96 13:12:50 CST Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:12:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Kevin A. Hoogheem" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Problems with Digest and Archiv Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a problem I am getting with trying to Digest and archive a list. Also its it right that because these two dont work right then no mail should be sent out to the list? Well here is my problem - I have 1.93 and I set up a folder for digesting a list like it shows in the digest folder. I set up the listname.cf like the example firewalls is set up but I get the error in my syslog: Jan 21 13:04:13 noah sendmail[3540]: AA03537: to="|/usr/local/majordom/wrapper digest -r -c /usr/local/majordom/digested/religious-educators/religious-educators.cf", delay=00:00:01, stat=unknown mailer error 2 This aliases is just like the one in digest/aliases.slice for doing a digest but its not working. Also i am trying to use archive.pl and it says it can no create an output I have the alias: religious-educators-archive: "/usr/local/mail/majordom/wrapper archive.pl /usr/spool/ftp/pub/SMP/religious-educators" where the /usr/spool/ftp/pub/SMP/religious-educators is a dir like it stats in the script but the sys log says it can not create the output. Any ideas of what I have done wrong here? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Kevin A. Hoogheem Saint Marys Press Asst. Network Admin. Winona Minnesota 507-457-7915 kevinh@noah.smumn.edu http://wwwsmp.smumn.edu/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 16:00:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA19182 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcusa01.ecunet.org (pcusa01.ecunet.org [198.70.54.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA19173 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:51:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: perl5? To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 18:40:14 -0500 (EST) From: Merrill Cook X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601211840.aa08153@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am getting this error message a lot: >Literal @pcusa01 now requires backslash at (eval 8) line 1, within string >merrill@otherhost.com (Merrill Cook) I assume this has to do with the difference between Perl 4 & 5, but I haven't been able to find where this is happening to fix it. It looks like it is a string variable that is getting eval'd, maybe... so if that's the case, how do you handle it? I can see several places in the Majordomo scripts where scalar variables get evaluated, but none of them look like they should be having eval'ing our machine name... Any pointers appreciated! -- Regards, Merrill Cook Louisville KY mcook@pcusa.org or MERRILL COOK on Ecunet/PresbyNet http://www.pcusa.org/pcusa.html -+- From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 16:45:55 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA24345 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 16:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from goblin.punk.net ([204.212.160.62]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA24332 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 16:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jsimmons@localhost) by goblin.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA19440 for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 16:40:10 -0800 From: Jeff Simmons Message-Id: <199601220040.QAA19440@goblin.punk.net> Subject: Restricted List Partial Moderation To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 16:40:09 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk For various reasons, I'd like to be able to set up a restricted list using Majordomo so that list subscribers messages are automatically sent to the list, while messages from non-subscribers are sent to a moderator for prior approval. Is there an easy way to do this? Many thanks. -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@goblin.punk.net From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 19:30:56 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA12281 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.org [140.174.78.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA12239 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:27:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from attitude.queernet.org by queernet.queernet.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0teCqS-000D2uC; Sun, 21 Jan 96 19:23 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960122032057.01ecfc10@queernet.org> X-Sender: rogerk@queernet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:20:57 -0800 To: Jeff Simmons , Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Subject: Re: Restricted List Partial Moderation Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 04:40 PM 1/21/96 -0800, Jeff Simmons wrote: >For various reasons, I'd like to be able to set up a restricted list using >Majordomo so that list subscribers messages are automatically sent to the >list, while messages from non-subscribers are sent to a moderator for >prior approval. Is there an easy way to do this? Many thanks. That's exactly what happens when you put the subscriber list file in the restrict_post config parameter. --- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 21 22:15:55 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id WAA27539 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 22:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from wolverine.hyperk.com (wolverine.hyperk.com [199.104.80.50]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id WAA27534 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 22:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from MrMail@localhost) by wolverine.hyperk.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA32537 for <@wolverine.hyperk.com:majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM>; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 23:12:15 -0700 Received: from spiderman.dnet.hyperk.com(199.104.78.30) by wolverine via MrMail (V1.3) id sma032535; Sun Jan 21 23:12:06 1996 Received: from stimpy.dnet.hyperk.com by spiderman.hyperk.com via SMTP (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO) for @wolverine.hyperk.com:majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM id AA22968; Sun, 21 Jan 96 22:13:47 -0800 Message-Id: <9601220613.AA22968@spiderman.dnet.hyperk.com> X-Sender: cdm@spiderman.dnet.hyperk.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 23:11:34 -0700 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Dale Cook Subject: Re: perl5? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 06:40 PM 1/21/96 -0500, Merrill Cook wrote: >I am getting this error message a lot: > > >Literal @pcusa01 now requires backslash at (eval 8) line 1, within string > >merrill@otherhost.com (Merrill Cook) > >I assume this has to do with the difference between Perl 4 & 5, but >I haven't been able to find where this is happening to fix it. It looks >like it is a string variable that is getting eval'd, maybe... so if >that's the case, how do you handle it? What it's complaining about is the '@' character inside a literal. Anywhere you find that character in a literal, you must now place a backslash (\) in front of it. ----dale From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 22 00:00:56 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA07945 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 23:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fprefect.sccsi.com (fprefect.sccsi.com [198.65.133.222]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id XAA07940 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 23:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fprefect@localhost) by fprefect.sccsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA00725; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 01:47:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 01:47:30 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Young To: Dale Cook cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: perl5? In-Reply-To: <9601220613.AA22968@spiderman.dnet.hyperk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > >I assume this has to do with the difference between Perl 4 & 5, but > >I haven't been able to find where this is happening to fix it. It looks > >like it is a string variable that is getting eval'd, maybe... so if > >that's the case, how do you handle it? > > What it's complaining about is the '@' character inside a literal. Anywhere > you find that character in a literal, you must now place a backslash (\) in > front of it. For those who aren't sure, this refers to an "@" character within quotation marks, such as "$name@$host", which you'd change to read "$name\@$host". Don't make this change unless perl is complaining though. (With 5.001m it doesn't seem to have this problem when running majordomo-1.93) Ciao :) From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 22 02:18:43 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id CAA17861 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 02:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id CAA17817 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 02:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from helios.dmu.ac.uk (iah@helios.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.1]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA01409 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:13:55 GMT Received: (from iah@localhost) by helios.dmu.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.10) id KAA05844 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:10:00 GMT From: Andy Humberston Message-Id: <199601221010.KAA05844@helios.dmu.ac.uk> Subject: Problem with message bodies To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:10:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I run a list with over 300 members, every now and again I get reports of users not being able to read certain messages. It now seems as though users on the digest are experiencing the same problem. Any help would be appreciated, I have attached a report from one of the subscribers; >From: "Jim Patrick" >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:56:22 +0000 >Subject: Re: Problems With My Messages > >I too have to view the headers to see Steve's messages. For those of >you who couldn't see his last message: > >On 19 Jan 96 at 9:12, SToney@framatech.com wrote: > > This comes up now and then, but for the sake of new members, I'll > post this information again... > > There is a problem with the way my email program encodes the > break between the headers of my messages and the body of my > messages. I have been unable to figure out what the problem is > and, Lord knows, I've tried. The problem exists when I send my > mail directly to the list for distribution to everyone on the > list. Most people are able to read my messages fine...some > can't. If you are on Texasflood digest, there's no solution, I > don't think... :-( > > If you are not on digest and see only headers, then you can read > the messages only if you have the capability to expand the > headers...normally you see the first line of the header. If you > can expand the header then you can read the entire message, which > is part of the header. > > The funny thing is, when I email directly to your address, the > messages come through just fine. > > The other funny thing is, anyone who cannot read my messages > won't be able to read this... ;-) So if any of you kind folks > could forward this message, then the others will have a clue > about this. Thanks. > > Steve -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Andy Humberston | Voice: +44 116 2551551 ext. 8175 Networking & Communications Group | Fax: +44 116 2577169 De Montfort University, Leicester, UK | EMail: iah@dmu.ac.uk - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - URL: http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~iah From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 22 09:30:16 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA01193 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA00999 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-951213) id JAA11961; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:05:47 -0800 Received: from caracas.terraport.net(205.189.144.2) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma011956; Mon Jan 22 09:05:31 1996 Received: from westhill.skl.com (root@link.skl.com [205.233.242.254]) by caracas.terraport.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA31308 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:07:52 -0500 Received: from abacab.skl.com (abacab.skl.com [205.233.242.127]) by westhill.skl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA02818 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:08:14 -0500 Received: by abacab.skl.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE8C0.C734C880@abacab.skl.com>; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:57:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01BAE8C0.C734C880@abacab.skl.com> From: Steve Linn To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Some Messages being sent twice Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:57:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am having an occasional problem with mailing lists that I hope someone can help me with. Every once and a while a message sent to one of the lists gets distributed twice. The only thing I have been able to see so far is that the senders id is in the format of xxxxxx.yyyyyy Has anyone else had this type of problem? Is there a way to correct it? TIA and have a good day. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Systems Knowledge Link Dealers/Consultants in Computer Software Services Internet Services WWW Pages Remote Services Steve Linn E-Mail: slinn@skl.com http://www.skl.com From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 22 10:29:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA03580 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.it.gvsu.edu (news.it.gvsu.edu [148.61.1.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id KAA03569 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from GVSU.EDU by news.it.gvsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA182864647; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:17:27 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by GVSU.EDU id AA822345467 Mon, 22 Jan 96 13:17:47 EST Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 13:17:47 EST From: fedderd@GVSU.EDU (DICK FEDDER) Message-Id: <9600228223.AA822345467@GVSU.EDU> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com Subject: undefined subroutine error Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just recently installed Majordomo 1.93 on our HP G30 running HP-UX 9.04 and am in the process of getting everything in place. We run Perl 5.01m. My tests indicate that the basic majordomo program and resend are working very nicely, without problems, but when I try to use digest, request-answer, new-list, or medit I get undefined subroutine errors. With digest I get: Undefined subroutine &main::abort called at digest line 300. With medit: Undefined subroutine &main::open_temp called at shlock.pl line 122. I don't have the exact errors for the other programs, but they all display the same type of error, "Undefined subroutine &main:" Not being familiar with Perl, I'm at a loss in tracing the cause of the problem. Perhaps someone else has encountered this problem or has suggestions as to where I could look for the problem. Thanks, Dick fedderd@gvsu.edu From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 22 11:01:31 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA05112 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from camlaw.rutgers.edu (camlaw.rutgers.edu [128.6.180.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA05105 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tomryan@localhost) by camlaw.rutgers.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09755; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:45:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:45:48 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Ryan To: Tom Ryan cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Anonymous In-Reply-To: <9600228223.AA822345467@GVSU.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I remember there being a patch that would allow anonymous posting through majordomo. Could someone please point me in the right direction? TIA Tom From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 22 11:14:48 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA05250 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cfa.harvard.edu (cfa.harvard.edu [128.103.40.170]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA05245 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from draco.harvard.edu by cfa.harvard.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Sep95-1159PM) id AA15010; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:46:30 -0500 Received: by draco.harvard.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01023; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:47:20 -0500 From: pobrien@draco.harvard.edu (Patrick O'Brien) Message-Id: <9601221847.AA01023@draco.harvard.edu> Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (fwd) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:47:19 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, In sending to a moderated list, the message bounces to postmaster with > > > MAJORDOMO ABORT > > do_exec_sendmail, number of args <= 1 unsafe to exec > > I'm using perl 5.001m and Majordomo 1.93, and I believe I escaped all the literal @ signs in resend, majordomo and the other scripts. Someone posted the same error message about a week ago, though I don't have that posting anymore. Anyone have a suggestion? Regards, Patrick O'Brien From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 22 13:17:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA14676 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA14664 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (cjwoods@router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA01851; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:08:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:08:48 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: Merrill Cook cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: perl5? In-Reply-To: <9601211840.aa08153@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Merrill Cook wrote: > I am getting this error message a lot: > > >Literal @pcusa01 now requires backslash at (eval 8) line 1, within string > >merrill@otherhost.com (Merrill Cook) > > I assume this has to do with the difference between Perl 4 & 5, but [...] Correct assumption. Go through the scripts (resend, and any others that are pointed to from your /etc/aliases file) and escape all the @'s that are supposed to be part of an email address, rather than used to indicate an array (i.e. actually part of the perl script). So, the above, in the script, would change from @pcusa01 to \@pcusa01. I believe this is documented in the FAQ/README that is distributed with 1.93. Then again, 1.93 has apparently been perl5-ified, according to the "Changes" section of the README, and I don't get any errors about the @'s not being escaped... Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin. "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 22 16:34:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA25804 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.it.gvsu.edu (news.it.gvsu.edu [148.61.1.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id QAA25785 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from GVSU.EDU by news.it.gvsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA289726419; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 19:20:20 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by GVSU.EDU id AA822367239 Mon, 22 Jan 96 19:20:39 EST Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 19:20:39 EST From: fedderd@GVSU.EDU (DICK FEDDER) Message-Id: <9600228223.AA822367239@GVSU.EDU> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com Subject: Re: undefined subroutine error Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm confused about archiving. I've finally gotten the archive2.pl program to work by specifying, in majordomo.cf's @archive_dirs variable, the exact directory in which the archive will be stored. Since each list will have it's own directory, does that mean I'll have to add the full directory path to majordomo.cf each time I create a new list that I want archived? I think I'm missing something somewhere. Can anyone shed some light on this for me. Thanks, Dick fedderd@gvsu.edu From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 22 17:19:26 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA28197 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from rosa (deliberate.com [206.86.16.103]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA28190 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by rosa (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0teX4g-0006q6C; Mon, 22 Jan 96 16:59 PST Message-Id: From: madavis@deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Subject: Reason for "approval" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:59:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: madavis@deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear Majordomo Experts, The Palo Alto Community Network is a majordomo-run list. For over a year we've been running in "approval" mode so that new subscribers need to be approved by the list owner. We have never turned down a subscription request and never intend to. Are there any technical reasons why a closed list is better? Is it safe to let people subscribe without approval -- as long as they aren't third party subscriptions? I notice that this list is an open list. Are there dangers? Marilyn Davis madavis@deliberate.com From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 23 06:15:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA12758 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 06:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch [139.79.129.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id FAA12692 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 05:59:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from toy.hasler.ascom.ch by hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (8.7.1/6.33) id OAA01661; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:58:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from dolphin.hasler.ascom.ch by toy.hasler.ascom.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10258; Tue, 23 Jan 96 14:58:11 +0100 Received: (from darie@localhost) by dolphin.hasler.ascom.ch (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA09974; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:58:06 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:58:06 +0100 (MET) From: Darie Duclos Message-Id: <199601231358.OAA09974@dolphin.hasler.ascom.ch> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: can't create output Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a problem with majordomo on Solaris 2.x hosts not being able to append to the Archive files. I get the following error message: ______________________________________________________________ ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- /usr/local/majorinfo/Archive/sfdi2/sfdi2 (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: sfdi2-archive) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 /usr/local/majorinfo/Archive/sfdi2/sfdi2... Can't create output: Permission denied Message delivered to mailing list sfdi2-archive Message delivered to mailing list sfdi2-outgoing Message delivered to mailing list owner-sfdi2 Message delivered to mailing list staff _______________________________________________________________ SunOS stations don't have this problem. Some details: Majordomo version: 1.93 The aliases entries for sfdi2: sfdi2:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l sfdi2 -h nvemailhost.hasler.ascom.ch sfdi2-outgoing" sfdi2-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majorinfo/Lists/sfdi2, sfdi2-archive sfdi2-archive: /usr/local/majorinfo/Archive/sfdi2/sfdi2 ownership & permissions: drwxrwxr-x 6 majordom majordom 512 Jan 21 16:56 majorinfo drwxrwxr-x 4 majordom majordom 512 Nov 23 14:57 majorinfo/Archive drwxrwxr-x 2 majordom majordom 512 Sep 27 12:04 majorinfo/Archive/sfdi2 -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 79803 Jan 21 17:27 majorinfo/Archive/sfdi2/sfdi2 -rwxrwxr-x 1 majordom majordom 42524 Sep 27 14:42 majordomo/majordomo -rwsr-xr-x 1 root majordom 10524 Sep 27 14:43 majordomo/wrapper this is the way it said to install it for Solaris 2.x, with wrapper owned by root, not by daemon. Note: the majordomo and majorinfo directories are both NFS mounted. Note: the software and the data are divided between /usr/local/majordomo and /usr/local/majorinfo so that we could automount the correct software directory (majordomo) for the OS revision but have the same data directory (majorinfo) for all hosts. Anybody know what's wrong here? Do you need more information? Thanks for your help. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ / Darie Duclos / "All my life I've wanted to be \ \ Unix Systems Infrastructure \ somebody. It's only now I see / / Ascom Hasler AG / I should have been more \ \ Bern, Switzerland \ specific." / / Darie@hasler.ascom.ch / -- Lily Tomlin \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 23 06:44:47 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA14870 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 06:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from opus.complaw.com (ns.complaw.com [206.84.80.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA14865 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 06:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from sam.complaw.com (sam.complaw.com [206.84.80.31]) by opus.complaw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA03616 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:42:38 -0500 Received: by sam.complaw.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE977.1FD765E0@sam.complaw.com>; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:42:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01BAE977.1FD765E0@sam.complaw.com> From: "Samuel Lewis, Esq." To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Setup Questions Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:42:33 -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I realize that the following are probably stupid questions that I could find the answers to by (a) reading the README more closely, or (b) experiementing a bit longer, but I've not found the answers to the following questions in either place yet. I'm trying to setup a mailing list with majordomo, and would like to do the following: 1) Munge the mail header so that the To: address reads "The Test Mailing List " where preferably the address in brackets won't appear in most mailer programs. This could even be a bit more dynamic, ala "The $LIST Mailing List <$LIST@foo.com>". 2) Munge the mail header so that the Reply-To: defaults back to the list. Sorry for taking up space with stupid questions, and thanks for the help. --Sam ***************************************************************** * Samuel Lewis, Esq. * "Life is what happens while * * email: slewis@CompLaw.com * you're busy making plans..." * * http://www.CompLaw.com/ * --Anonymous * ***************************************************************** From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 23 09:31:23 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA21778 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us (isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us [204.199.126.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA21771 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycteria.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us by isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0temLB-002NZfC; Tue, 23 Jan 96 12:17 EST Newsgroups: comp.mail.smail Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:12:38 -0500 (EST) From: Don Hayward To: Majordomo Users Subject: Solution: User unknown - but not really Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk A few weeks ago I asked the list for help regarding a majordomo digest list that was generating a large number of bounces with the error message "user unknown" when we knew that the user addresses were good. First, thanks to those who responded, particularly Nigel Metheringham who spotted the fact that the remote host transport was sendmail and the error message we were receiving refered to the list owner rather than the target user. Solution: It seems that some sendmail installations can't deal with the Error-to: header, possibly looking on their own systems for the user listed there or simply rejecting that header (non-standard?). When I took the text generating the Error-to: header out of the digest script, the mail succeeded don Don Hayward, JAPH Mote Marine Laboratory don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us 1600 Ken Thompson Parkway Voice: 941.388.4441 Sarasota, FL 34236 Fax: 941.388.4312 We are an independent, non-profit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. require "disclaimer.pl"; # We run Linux See: http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us/ http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us/~don From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 23 13:14:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA04349 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA04303 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from trym.ifi.uio.no (1368@trym.ifi.uio.no [129.240.94.30]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:06:41 +0100 Received: (from thomasg@localhost) by trym.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:06:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:06:39 +0100 From: Thomas Gramstad Reply-To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no Subject: Re: Index and get (archive) don't work In-Reply-To: Thomas Gramstad 's message of Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:29:14 +0100 References: To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I wrote: > Index and get don't work. They don't find the files. > For example: > > -- > > >>>> index listname > #### No files available for listname. > > -- > > This is the same for several lists, even though the > archive files, each with the name listname.archive, > all have protection 664. > > Any ideas? and got these suggestions: I had the same problem the majordomo.cf file in the archive location had a space in the suffux (" " should be "") and make sure the archive path has a dir 'list-name' in it then thats is were the files go. ... Check that the files are in the correct directory and that the permissions on that directory are set to 755. ... and finally I believe the directory name should be ..../list.archive Then all files in that directory are visible to index. But all these are OK; the problem is not due to any of them. Any other suggestions? --------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Gramstad thomasg@ifi.uio.no From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 23 13:36:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA03788 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [192.74.137.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA03783 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id PAA13996; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:59:24 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15311; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:59:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199601232059.AA15311@world.std.com> To: Tom Ryan Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Anonymous In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:45:48 EST." Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:59:23 -0500 From: Elizabeth Lear Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Here you are: *Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:48:37 -0500 *From: Spider Boardman I've seen a number of such requests come and go on this list, so here's what I did. I added two new config options, "anon_who" and "anon_which". Their purpose is to implement per-list privacy options. Even list members can't do a "who list" if "anon_who" is set, and "which other-address" commands skip lists with "anon_which" set. In order that the list owner can still see who's subscribed, I also made it possible to approve a who request. This part is not clean, since the existing "approve" code wants more arguments than a "who" command normally needs. Thus, you wind up needing to do "approve PASSWORD who LIST ." or somesuch to get the desired result. It's that wart on this that has kept me from posting this earlier. Anyway, appended are the relevant sections of diffs for my setup. Your line numbers will almost certainly vary, since I have other changes besides. --spider -- Spider Boardman spider@orb.nashua.nh.us speaking only for myself ...!decvax!orb!spider ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <350.785047715.2@orb.nashua.nh.us> Content-Description: diffs for anon_which and anon_who *** /local/src/majordomo-1.92/config_parse.pl.ORIG Mon May 9 14:34:06 1994 --- /local/src/majordomo-1.92/config_parse.pl Fri Oct 14 02:25:37 1994 *************** *** 77,82 **** --- 78,85 ---- # otherwise the value is the default value for the keyword. # if the value starts with #!, the rest of the value is eval'ed %known_keys = ( + 'anon_who', 'no', # anonymous list disallowing who + 'anon_which', 'no', # anonymous list disallowing which other 'private_get', 'yes', # must be on list to use get 'private_index', 'no', # must be on list to use index 'private_who', 'no', # must be on list to use who *************** *** 157,162 **** --- 162,173 ---- "If set to yes, then the requestor must be on the mailing list to use the info command.", + 'anon_who', + "If set to yes, then 'who ' commands will not be allowed.", + + 'anon_which', + "If set to yes, then 'which ' commands will skip this list.", + 'advertise', "If the requestor email address matches one of these regexps, then the list will be listed *************** *** 340,345 **** --- 359,366 ---- 'private_info', 'majordomo', 'private_who', 'majordomo', 'private_which', 'majordomo', + 'anon_which', 'majordomo', + 'anon_who', 'majordomo', 'advertise', 'majordomo', 'noadvertise', 'majordomo', 'descriptiFrom majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 03:14:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id DAA25356 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 03:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from support.centercomp.com (gw.centercomp.com [143.227.0.97]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id DAA25351 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 03:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from alsea.cvo.oneworld.com (slip34.cvo.oneworld.com [143.227.1.34]) by support.centercomp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA18270 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 03:21:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 03:21:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199601241121.DAA18270@support.centercomp.com> X-Sender: cntrline@support.centercomp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Eric Hake Subject: Majordomo-1.93 Installation Problems Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm not getting very far out of the starting gates, and the documentation that comes with the package doesn't seem to cover my problem... Here's what happens: --------------------------------------------------------------------- % make install (test ! -f majordomo.cf && echo "using sample.cf" && cp sample.cf /usr/users/majordom/majordomo-1.93/majordomo.cf; exit 0) using sample.cf (test -f majordomo.cf && echo "using majordomo.cf" && cp majordomo.cf /usr/users/majordom/majordomo-1.93/majordomo.cf; exit 0) using majordomo.cf cp: /usr/users/majordom/majordomo-1.93/majordomo.cf and majordomo.cf are identical (not copied). *** Error code 1 Stop. --------------------------------------------------------------------- And there's no getting past that... Any suggestions? Ideas? HELP! Thanks! Eric From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 06:16:28 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA03606 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 06:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from opus.complaw.com (ns.complaw.com [206.84.80.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA03601 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 06:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sam.complaw.com (sam.complaw.com [206.84.80.31]) by opus.complaw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA02952 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:01:42 -0500 Received: by sam.complaw.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAEA3A.9306A940@sam.complaw.com>; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:01:40 -0500 Message-ID: <01BAEA3A.9306A940@sam.complaw.com> From: "Samuel Lewis, Esq." To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Setup Questions Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:01:38 -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I realize that the following are probably stupid questions that I could find the answers to by (a) reading the README more closely, or (b) experiementing a bit longer, but I've not found the answers to the following questions in either place yet. I'm trying to setup a mailing list with majordomo, and would like to do the following: 1) Munge the mail header so that the To: address reads "The Test Mailing List " where preferably the address in brackets won't appear in most mailer programs. This could even be a bit more dynamic, ala "The $LIST Mailing List <$LIST@foo.com>". 2) Munge the mail header so that the Reply-To: defaults back to the list. Sorry for taking up space with stupid questions, and thanks for the help. --Sam ***************************************************************** * Samuel Lewis, Esq. * "Life is what happens while * * email: slewis@CompLaw.com * you're busy making plans..." * * http://www.CompLaw.com/ * --Anonymous * ***************************************************************** From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 09:15:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA12691 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from benland.muc.edu ([199.18.41.33]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA12686 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by benland.muc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA05792; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:05:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:05:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin J. Kirchmeyer" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: problems making it work Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm running linux 1.2.8 ... downloaded and installed perl 5. Downloaded majordomo 1.93 and followed the installation instructions from Jerry Peek in _Managing_Internet_Information_Services_. I've done just as the books told me to do to setup a list. Yet, when i send a message to majordomo@benland (my machine) saying subscribe listname myemailaddress I get back in an error return message to the listowner (me) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list majordomo@benland 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 29 Message delivered to mailing list owner-majordomo ----------------------------------------- I haven't been able to figure out what I've done wrong. I looked at the example of how to make a mailing list over and over and made sure my /etc/aliases file was just right and used "newaliases" to update them. I'm stuck. I read the FAQ and didn't see my error message nor did I notice anything quite similar. Can anyone offer me some help? Thanks! ----------------------------- Benjamin J. Kirchmeyer ben@benland.muc.edu http://benland.muc.edu/~ben ----------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 12:19:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA24358 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:13:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:13:34 -0800 (PST) From: majordomo-users-owner Message-Id: <199601242013.MAA24358@miles.greatcircle.com> From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 17:07:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07813 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from etzion (etzion.etzion.org.il [192.114.207.34]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA10570 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.114.207.57] by etzion with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0teRTn-0004CBC; Mon, 22 Jan 96 22:00 IST Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Yeshivat Har Etzion" Organization: Yeshivat Har Etzion To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 21:59:03 +0000 Subject: Nothing going to the lists X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have just set up majordomo. All the commands sent to majordomo seem to be working (lists, which, who, subscribe, etc...) but when I send to my test list nothing seems to be happening. I don't even get an error message. I set up my alias file according to the instructions (I think!) but still no response. Any ideas? Thanks, Adina Rothner From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 17:11:14 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA08030 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsgate.sps.mot.com (spsgate.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA08014 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate (mogate.sps.mot.com) by spsgate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA28234 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 24 Jan 96 17:26:45 MST Received: from motsps by mogate (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA21405; Wed, 24 Jan 96 17:26:20 MST Received: from amcu-tx.sps.mot.com (sol-tx.sps.mot.com) by motsps (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.1) id AA04751 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 24 Jan 96 17:26:18 MST Received: from schuss.sps.mot.com by amcu-tx.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22447; Wed, 24 Jan 96 18:26:23 CST Received: by schuss.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27622; Wed, 24 Jan 96 18:25:52 CST From: winter@schuss.sps.mot.com (Robert L. Winter) Message-Id: <9601250025.AA27622@schuss.sps.mot.com> Subject: problem approving moderated messages To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 18:25:52 GMT Reply-To: winter@amcu-tx.sps.mot.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm having a problem approving moderated messages using the Approve script. I've read the FAQ's and the documentation with no luck. I use the elm mail handler. If I send a message to my list ctja, and put the approved:passwd header in, it works. If I send a message to ctja without the header, it bounces back to me as list owner. When I pipe the bounced message to approve, nothing happens (that I can tell - the list is on a remote machine I don't have access to). If I save the bounced message to a file and do the command "approve file", nothing happens. My .majordomo file looks like: ctja passwd majordomo@io.com ctja@io.com passwd majordomo@io.com Approvals of subscribers works fine with the approve script. Anyone else have problems like this? Thanks in Advance, -Robert From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 17:11:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA08163 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.130]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA08118 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:31:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.188.0.163] ([202.188.0.163]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA07842; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:19:18 +0800 Message-Id: <199601250019.IAA07842@gandalf.asiapac.net> To: Michael Young Subject: Re: first time installation Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 08:33:34 -0500 From: Ismail Ali X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > owner and group are root and majordom respectively. Thanks. > > If this is a posix installation, the owner and group for wrapper need to > both be root. However, the uid/gid from the "majordom" user must be > compiled into it. Yeah, it is a posix installation. Ok, this is what I've changed to : total 604 -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 39173 Jan 11 1995 Changelog -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 12785 Apr 3 1994 Changes -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 4601 May 6 1994 Description drw-rw-r-- 3 majordom majordom 512 Jan 23 09:14 Doc -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 4631 Dec 27 1994 LICENSE -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 0 Jan 24 09:56 Log drwx------ 2 majordom majordom 512 Jan 24 14:28 Mail -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 4481 Jan 24 11:06 Makefile -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 531 May 10 1994 Manifest -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 54569 Jan 8 1995 README drw-rw-r-- 2 majordom majordom 512 Jan 23 13:09 Tools -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 6219 Jan 2 1995 approve drwxr-xr-x 4 majordom majordom 512 Jan 23 09:46 archive drw-rw-r-- 2 majordom majordom 512 Jan 23 13:09 bin -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 2887 Dec 28 1994 bounce -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 2615 Dec 27 1994 bounce-remind -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 43737 Jan 8 1995 config_parse.pl drw-rw-r-- 2 majordom majordom 512 Jan 23 09:14 contrib -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 1741 Jan 24 10:58 dead.letter drwxr-xr-x 2 majordom majordom 512 Jan 23 09:14 digest drwxr-xr-x 2 majordom majordom 512 Jan 23 13:44 lists -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 42524 Jan 5 1995 majordomo -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 3783 Jan 24 11:02 majordomo.cf -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 14327 Jan 8 1995 majordomo.pl -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 141 Dec 27 1994 majordomo_version.pl drwxr-xr-x 4 majordom majordom 512 Jan 23 15:27 man -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 1424 Dec 27 1994 medit -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 2153 Jan 8 1995 new-list -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 3024 Dec 27 1994 request-answer -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 12872 Jan 8 1995 resend -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 3742 Sep 3 1993 resend.README -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 2087 May 9 1994 sample.aliases -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 3697 Jan 8 1995 sample.cf -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 6183 Jan 1 1995 shlock.pl -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 131 Dec 27 1994 test -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 7476 Jan 24 11:06 wrapper -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 2783 Jan 8 1995 wrapper.c -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 223 May 10 1994 wrapper.sh the wrapper was compiled with root as uid and majordom as gid. But I didn't run make install-wrapper since it will change the group back to majordomo for wrapper. > The error you are receiving is a permission problem. > > You also need to make sure that the majordom user you used when you set > the program up is a "trusted" user as far as sendmail is concerned. This > is done by editing the sendmail.cf file and adding a line reading > "Tmajordom" under the trustees section. > This is the after changes on sendmail.cf ##################### # Trusted users # ##################### Troot Tdaemon Tuucp #added by ismail for majordomo user Tmajordom ######################### Then this was the message I got after followed your instructions. The original message was received at Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:50:02 +0800 from relay2.jaring.my [192.228.128.12] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/pkg/majordomo-1.93/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list majordomo: Permission denied 554 "|/usr/local/pkg/majordomo-1.93/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 5 it still shows the error. -- ______ __________ ________________ ___ |/ /___ |___ ____/___ / The Network Connections Sdn. Bhd. __ /|_/ / __ /| |__ __/ __ / 52, Jalan SS15/4B, Subang Jaya _ / / / _ ___ |_ /___ _ /___ 47500 Petaling Jaya, Selangor /_/ /_/ /_/ |_|/_____/ /_____/ Malaysia. Tel:603-7337757,603-7334194 WWW=http://www.asiapac.net/~mael/ Fax:603-7345577 From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 17:31:01 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA10752 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.gvsu.edu (news.gvsu.edu [148.61.1.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA10742 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from GVSU.EDU by news.gvsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA079412580; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:16:20 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by GVSU.EDU id AA822543406 Wed, 24 Jan 96 20:16:46 EST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 20:16:46 EST From: fedderd@GVSU.EDU (DICK FEDDER) Message-Id: <9600248225.AA822543406@GVSU.EDU> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: file ownership Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Version 1.93 I've noticed that whenever files (ex. .config, archive files, etc) are accessed via the wrapper their ownership changes to root and their group to 1. If I change them back, they just get changed again next time around. Is this normal? Or did I compile the wrapper improperly? It's not a major problem since I'm logging in as superuser, but it would be a problem if I needed to modify these files as someone other that superuser. Comments? Thanks, Dick From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 19:03:30 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA17559 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from spartan.tamu.edu (spartan.tamu.edu [128.194.80.8]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id EAA24128 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 04:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from yachts@localhost) by spartan.tamu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA09764; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:05:07 -0600 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:05:07 -0600 (CST) From: Scott - Yachtsman To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Help with missing messages... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all, I was wondering if I could pose a question to you all. About a 2 weeks ago I installed Majordomo 1.93 on a Linux machine at spartan.tamu.edu running with the sendmail program, and there was no problems for a while, but recently I have noticed a problem as the lists I have have become more used. if a message comes in to majordomo from sendmail, the program starts sending it out to the list like normal, but if another messages comes in from sendmail to the majordomo it stops sending out the first message, even if it is not done with the list, and starts sending out the new one. So this is leading to missed messages to certain people in the lists we have. I haven't found any thing like this mentioned in the FAQ, mans, or Docs. I made sure all the premissions with set to the files like the FAQ said and seeing if this fixes the problem. So I was just wondering if anyone had ever run into this problem before, and what had caused it for them. Well, thanks a lot of the help and suggestions. ...bye...Scott - Yachts --------- M. Scott Heimer --------- US Merchant Marine License: Third Mate Unlimited NickName: Yachtsman - ch. op of #mariner on IRC Amateur Radio Operator - N5OKW - Amateur Extra Class E-mails : he3744@tamug3.tamu.edu <- finger this address for more info yachts@spartan.tamu.edu <- co-sysAdmin HomePage: http://spartan.tamu.edu/~yachts ---------- All Replied To --------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 20:02:10 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA22856 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:46:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from fprefect.sccsi.com (fprefect.sccsi.com [198.65.133.222]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA22829 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fprefect@localhost) by fprefect.sccsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA03113; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:45:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:45:01 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Young To: Ismail Ali cc: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Subject: Re: first time installation In-Reply-To: <199601250019.IAA07842@gandalf.asiapac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > If this is a posix installation, the owner and group for wrapper need to > > both be root. However, the uid/gid from the "majordom" user must be > > compiled into it. > > the wrapper was compiled with root as uid and majordom as gid. But I didn't > run make install-wrapper since it will change the group back to majordomo > for wrapper. > > > The error you are receiving is a permission problem. > > > Message delivered to mailing list > majordomo: Permission denied > 554 "|/usr/local/pkg/majordomo-1.93/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer > error 5 > > it still shows the error. What you need to do is find out the UID of the majordom user. Go into the makefile, and use that UID as opposed to the UID for "root". Then recompile, and reinstall the wrapper (not everything else, just the wrapper will suffice). This should clear up this error. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 20:16:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA23509 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fprefect.sccsi.com (fprefect.sccsi.com [198.65.133.222]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA23495 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fprefect@localhost) by fprefect.sccsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA03163; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:58:23 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:58:23 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Young To: Scott - Yachtsman cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Help with missing messages... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > So this is leading to missed messages to certain people in the lists > we have. I haven't found any thing like this mentioned in the FAQ, mans, If you're losing a message because a new one comes in, check the queue times on sendmail. I've heard of (never had) similar problems due to queueing not being set up properly. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 21:02:31 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA27127 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.130]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA27122 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.188.0.163] (mael@[202.188.0.163]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA10288; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:42:43 +0800 Message-Id: <199601250442.MAA10288@gandalf.asiapac.net> To: Michael Young Subject: Re: first time installation Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 12:57:02 -0500 From: Ismail Ali X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear Michael > What you need to do is find out the UID of the majordom user. Go into > the makefile, and use that UID as opposed to the UID for "root". Then > recompile, and reinstall the wrapper (not everything else, just the > wrapper will suffice). > > This should clear up this error. > Nope, now I got another error type = unknown mailer error 4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- The original message was received at Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:40:50 +0800 from mael@[202.188.0.163] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/pkg/majordomo-1.93/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list /usr/local/pkg/majordomo-1.93/wrapper: error: recompile with POSIX flags. 554 "|/usr/local/pkg/majordomo-1.93/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 4 -- ______ __________ ________________ ___ |/ /___ |___ ____/___ / The Network Connections Sdn. 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Tel:603-7337757,603-7334194 WWW=http://www.asiapac.net/~mael/ Fax:603-7345577 From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 24 22:02:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id VAA29807 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from aimnet.com (mailhub1.aimnet.com [204.247.0.104]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id VAA29745 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from spam (cdavis@dial-bel1-2.iway.aimnet.com [204.118.160.2]) by aimnet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA22011 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:43:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:42:20 -42000 From: Clint Davis Subject: /tmp/resend.* file staying around To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk New faq says to edit resend. I looked at my version ( 1.93 ) and statement 347 says: if defined($opt_A) && !defined($approval)) { $bounce("Approval required"); What do I change? My /tmp is filling up with these files. Thanks Clint Davis "All the world is my country and all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." -- Thomas Paine From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 04:16:18 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id EAA21947 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 04:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from support.centercomp.com (gw.centercomp.com [143.227.0.97]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id EAA21937 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 04:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from alsea.cvo.oneworld.com (slip43.cvo.oneworld.com [143.227.1.43]) by support.centercomp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA03527 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 04:30:35 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 04:30:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199601251230.EAA03527@support.centercomp.com> X-Sender: cntrline@support.centercomp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Eric Hake Subject: More problems... :( Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Got past the first stumbling block (thanks for all those who answered my last question!) Now I seem to have stepped into something that I could sure use some more help with: I believe I set everything up according to the readme and "Managing internet information services"... but when I try to request a "lists" from the server, this is what I get: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/users/majordom/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list listdir not defined. Is majordomo.cf being included correctly? at /usr/users/majordom/majordomo/majordomo line 62. 554 "|/usr/users/majordom/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) I have my main majordomo.cf file in the /etc/majordomo.cf, and it starts off like this: # $whereami -- What machine am I running on? $whereami = "centercomp.com"; # $whoami -- Who do users send requests to me as? $whoami = "Majordomo@$whereami"; ...snip, snip... 2) There seems to be another file that I'm not sure what the deal is, but it's called majordomo.cf in the installed directory and it starts like this: # Config file for Majordomo package config; #---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Name of the mail server software # $name = "Majordomo"; ...snip, snip... Is the second file supposed to go into the /etc/majordomo.cf place, or is the /etc/majordomo supposed to go into the majordomo directory (or are they both supposed to exist, or what? I'm confused -- can you tell?) Any ideas? Thanks for any help! Eric From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 07:32:43 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA05440 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov [164.159.176.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA05435 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA06860; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:07:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:07:45 -0700 (MST) From: Jim Lentini X-Sender: lentinij@dataadmin To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Sendmailish question In-Reply-To: <199601251230.EAA03527@support.centercomp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a problem which is in regard to my Majodomo installation but may in fact be a sendamil question. I am running Majordomo on a server which is known as both www.fws.gov and dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov. When I send internet email to majordomo@www.fws.gov from a remote system I don't have any problems. But when I send mail to that address via ccMail it gets caught in a loop between the server and the dns server for our network. Anyone familiar with a problem like this. Is it possible that the server needs to know that it has multiple names. IE its' aliases are all regitered on /etc/hosts on the dns server but not on the server which runs majordomo. This problem also occurs if mail is sent to a normal user so I suspect it is not just a Majordomo thing. Any pointers to other resources would be helpful. thanks in advance. jim ################################## ## James V. Lentini ## ## Systems Analyst ## ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## ################################## From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 08:33:48 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA10836 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from dewey.csun.edu (dewey.csun.edu [130.166.1.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA10830 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.166.10.220] (s010n220.csun.edu [130.166.10.220]) by dewey.csun.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA17290 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:23:09 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:21:57 -0800 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: dlt@dewey.csun.edu (David Thompson) Subject: What Kind of Support Required? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We are a largish university that wants to implement hundreds (if not thousands) of mailing lists, each owned by someone (generally not particularly computer literate let alone majordomo-literate) "out there" somewhere. How do others in this situation handle supporting all these unknowledgeable list owners? I have installed majordomo and it seems to be working just fine, but I am experiencing difficulty supporting *one* person in our "test" implementation owning about fifty lists (who wants to do things HIS way rather than the way majordomo seems designed to do the same thing). This difficulty rises with closed lists (i.e. where the owner actually has to do something). Is there another package that might be more usable for us? -- David Thompson, Systems Programmer Computer Center/CSU Northridge 18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge, CA 91330-8280 (818) 885-2787; dlt@csun.edu From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 10:32:18 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA18594 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from unilab.dfci.harvard.edu (unilab.dfci.harvard.edu [155.52.46.57]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id KAA18583 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by unilab.dfci.harvard.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) id NAA15755; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:15:21 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Pieri To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: dlt@dewey.csun.edu's message of Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:21:57 -0800 Subject: Re: What Kind of Support Required? References: Date: 25 Jan 1996 13:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "DT" == David Thompson writes: DT> How do others in this situation handle supporting all these DT> unknowledgeable list owners? I give them the "this is how to manage a mailing list" document and let them figure it out. "But I don't know how to use computers." "That tells you everthing you need to know." If they are incapable of figuring out what to do with that in their hands then no amount of my doing it for them is going to change that. I have about 30 mailing lists here at the Dana-Farber and so far it works. From: ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: Date: 25 Jan 1996 13:15:07 -0500 Subject: Re: What Kind of Support Required? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMQfIrJ6VRH7BJMxHAQFQjwP/SV1/aEImbljk79S4gYpAvxxJr9Pbddkw GcG//0tlKYZ/hp+hfl3oAsPnCfl32PdtwQWchJBoAuErsOQlEYRBavor4gz+sxnq PrZ+3nxrxSeUhVoo/2033py5vn3JWipuFHyJm0TeESex7z4kiGYoye3yBlEvpCBh jvwRaLgcLGc= =KBmH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ When eating out, think nothing of sending \ back your meal twenty or thirty times. -A http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/~ratinox \ cat's guide to life From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 11:03:13 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA22939 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.iie.org (smtp.iie.org [199.222.72.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA22915 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:00:48 -0800 (PST) From: aspivakovsky@iie.org Received: from ccMail by smtp.iie.org (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 107d26c0; Thu, 25 Jan 96 13:56:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:51:30 -0500 Message-ID: <107d26c0@iie.org> Subject: Re: Sendmailish question To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, Jim Lentini Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jim: in your /etc/sendmail.cf file you should have a line that starts like this: Cw $w $?D$w.$D$. To this line, you should append the full names of all cname entries for your machine, separated by spaces. In other words it should look like this: Cw $w $?D$w.$D$. dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov www.fws.gov Then refresh sendmail. Cheers Ari ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Sendmailish question Author: Jim Lentini at internet Date: 1/25/96 8:07 AM I have a problem which is in regard to my Majodomo installation but may in fact be a sendamil question. I am running Majordomo on a server which is known as both www.fws.gov and dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov. When I send internet email to majordomo@www.fws.gov from a remote system I don't have any problems. But when I send mail to that address via ccMail it gets caught in a loop between the server and the dns server for our network. Anyone familiar with a problem like this. Is it possible that the server needs to know that it has multiple names. IE its' aliases are all regitered on /etc/hosts on the dns server but not on the server which runs majordomo. This problem also occurs if mail is sent to a normal user so I suspect it is not just a Majordomo thing. Any pointers to other resources would be helpful. thanks in advance. jim ################################## ## James V. Lentini ## ## Systems Analyst ## ## Voice:303.275.2414 ## ################################## From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 12:38:12 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA02397 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.ray.com (gatekeeper.ray.com [138.125.162.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA02360 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mailer@localhost) by gatekeeper.ray.com (8.6.4/8.6.5) id PAA15503; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:35:09 -0500 Received: from rayssd.ssd.ray.com by gatekeeper.ray.com; Thu Jan 25 15:34:29 1996 Received: from fluke.ssd.ray.com (fluke.ssd.ray.com [138.125.192.34]) by rayssd.ssd.ray.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA04063; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:34:29 -0500 Received: (dhb@localhost) by fluke.ssd.ray.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA11678; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:34:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:34:28 -0500 (EST) From: "David H. Brierley" To: David Thompson cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: What Kind of Support Required? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, David Thompson wrote: > We are a largish university that wants to implement hundreds (if not > thousands) of mailing lists, each owned by someone (generally not > particularly computer literate let alone majordomo-literate) "out there" > somewhere. How do others in this situation handle supporting all these > unknowledgeable list owners? I have installed majordomo and it seems to be What I did was to write a *short* document that told the new list owner the *exact* steps that needed to be done for the 3 or 4 things I felt they really need to do (subscribe, unsubscribe, etc). This has worked just fine for me and I have some people managing lists that just barely know how to use email. I think the key with people like that is to only give them the information they really need and not overload them with all the details of majordomo. After they get comfortable with the simple stuff they can get a copy of the complete instructions if they want to learn more. -- David H. Brierley Raytheon Electronic Systems - Portsmouth RI Facility Work: dhb@ssd.ray.com Home: dave@galaxia.network23.com From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 13:14:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA02686 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gaia.ucs.orst.edu (gaia.UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id MAA02640 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kean@localhost) by gaia.ucs.orst.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA12392; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:38:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: Kean Stump X-Sender: kean@gaia To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: What Kind of Support Required? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 25 Jan 1996, Richard Pieri wrote: > I give them the "this is how to manage a mailing list" document and let > them figure it out. > Us too. We've 1700 lists among various systems, and we don't get too many questions (2-3 a month). kean Kean Stump Network Engineering kean@nws.orst.edu Oregon State University OSU doesn't pay me to have official opinions. (541)-737-4740 From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 13:24:51 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA04527 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA04131 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) id MAA27446; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:17:37 -0800 Received: from bajor.ftms.com(198.150.23.1) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma027313; Thu Jan 25 12:16:57 1996 Received: (from brown@localhost) by ftms.ftms.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA04544 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:17:22 -0600 From: Vidiot Message-Id: <199601252017.OAA04544@ftms.ftms.com> Subject: Re: Sendmailish question To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:17:21 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <107d26c0@iie.org> from "aspivakovsky@iie.org" at Jan 25, 96 01:51:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk < Jim: < < in your /etc/sendmail.cf file you should have a line that starts like < this: < < Cw $w $?D$w.$D$. < < To this line, you should append the full names of all cname entries < for your machine, separated by spaces. < In other words it should look like this: < < Cw $w $?D$w.$D$. dataadmin.irm.r9.fws.gov www.fws.gov < < Then refresh sendmail. < < Cheers < Ari Isn't this better handled by using the sendmail.cw file (if you are using sendmail version 8.6 or later)? MB -- System Administrator - Finnigan FT/MS - Madison WI. e-mail: brown@ftms.com phone: (608) 273-8262 fax: (608) 273-8719 voice-mail: (800) 426-6488 ext 6293 Visit - (Your link to Star Trek and UPN) From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 14:41:13 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA19396 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA19388 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sparky.jna.com by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA16485 for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 25 Jan 96 17:35:31 -0500 Received: from [206.5.25.7] ([206.5.25.7]) by jna.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA03903 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:35:29 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: john@sparky.jna.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:44:44 -0800 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM From: john@jna.com (John M. Neil) Subject: Auto-Reply E-mail Address Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear Great Circle, Hi, I have a short question about Majordomo. I'm interested in setting up an auto-reply e-mail address, so that mail to info@jna.com is automatically replied to. In addition, I would like the automatic reply to vary depending on the subject field (so that users can retrieve specific documents by sending e-mail to info@jna.com). Somebody told me that I should look at Majordomo for this facility. I've downloaded the latest version, but a cursory glance at the documentation indicates that Majordomo is for managing mailing lists, not for an auto-reply e-mail system. I've also gotten the same impression from another package called procmail. Is Majordomo (or procmail) the right animal for this application, or is there another package more suited to this purpose, or can auto-reply e-mail be done easily using just shell scripts? Thanks, John * When responding to e-mail, please include the body of my message - thanks * ____________________________________________________________________________ John Neil john@jna.com John Neil & Associates 330 Townsend St. Suite 237 San Francisco, CA 94107 Voice: (415) 905-3000 x303 Fax: (415) 905-3001 From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 18:53:02 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA22477 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rosa (deliberate.com [206.86.16.103]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA22439 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by rosa (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0tfe4m-0006r6C; Thu, 25 Jan 96 18:39 PST Message-Id: From: root@deliberate.com (root) Subject: Majordomo date on DATE header To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:39:43 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We have a user of our domo who is using Pegasus for Windows mail program. He contacted us and said that this mailer REQUIRES the date header to be in format Day Month Year time. Our majordomo puts out Day Month time Year. It brings up question do other mail programs require date in certain format? This person says that our smail header is fine, just the replies from resend are reversed. I looked in faq and there is nothing on this. Any ideas? Clint Davis From majordomo-users-owner Thu Jan 25 19:25:07 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA24082 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.COSC.GOV (apollo.COSC.GOV [198.94.103.34]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id SAA24023; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:57:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from vince@localhost) by apollo.COSC.GOV (8.7.3/8.6.9) id SAA29248; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:56:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:56:04 -0800 (PST) From: -Vince- To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: How to get this patch to work Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Awhile back, I asked on the list and Ken Williams sent me a patch for majordomo to handle the automatic uuencoding and sending files that are binary with majordomo's get command but his e-mail just bounces back. He mailed me a diff output but it doesn't say where in the main majordomo program does it need to be applied to since he didn't do a context diff output with diff -c. Hope someone out there can help! Thanks! 962d937 < local($new_file); 1004,1010c979 < if (-B "$clean_file") { < &uuencode_file($clean_file,$filename); < $new_file = $tmp; < } else { < $new_file = $clean_file; < } < if (&lopen(GETFILFrom majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 05:08:01 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA01297 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 05:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA01292 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 05:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (cjwoods@router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA07187; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:59:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:59:16 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: Michael Satterwhite cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <199601260438.WAA14312@vellocet.insync.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Michael Satterwhite wrote: [...] > with no id. This is obviously generating an unknown user Bounce. When I try > to issue an unsubscribe for this user, majordomo reports that "firstname > lastname" is not a member of the mailing list. How do I get this person off > the list? Edit the list name in your $lists directory. Be sure to either do it as the user that owns your majordomo stuff, or else chown/chmod it appropriately afterward. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 08:08:02 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA06364 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA06359 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:40:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id IAA05911 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:39:11 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 26 Jan 1996 08:40:26 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: What Kind of Support Re To: "majordomo-users" Cc: "Kean Stump" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>>What Kind of Support Required? > I give them the "this is how to manage a mailing list" document and let > them figure it out. > Us too. We've 1700 lists among various systems, and we don't get too >many questions (2-3 a month). We auto-mail the "list-owner-info" document, and subscribe all our listowners to a listowner's-only list. That way, all listowners can post their problems on it, I hopefully come up with a solution, and all the listowners find out how to solve similar problems. This has reduced the one-on-one via e-mail or phone. However, we only get about 2-3 questions per month too, on that list. Plus, the listowner's list is archived, so new owners can get all the previous posts of problems and solutions. We have also tailored our default list to be the easiest to maintain - moderate = no, and subscribes = open. One other document we've made available is Elizabeth Bartley's "Majordomo List Owner's Guide" from www.uchicago.edu. From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 08:38:29 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA08185 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from seth.edu.gov.on.ca (seth.edu.gov.on.ca [199.71.22.130]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id IAA08162 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 08:33:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601261633.IAA08162@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: by seth.edu.gov.on.ca (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA054413845; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:30:45 -0500 From: David Standish Subject: Re: Majordomo date on DATE header To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:30:45 EST In-Reply-To: ; from "root" at Jan 25, 96 6:39 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've only got to the testing stage with Majordomo but I don't have any problem with the date header, it looks fine. Pegasus is right about the date format as per RFC 822. As far as I can see, resend doesn't generate the date header. It must be generated by sendmail or whatever mailer your resend uses. > > We have a user of our domo who is using Pegasus for Windows mail program. He > contacted us and said that this mailer REQUIRES the date header to > be in format Day Month Year time. Our majordomo puts out > Day Month time Year. It brings up question do other mail programs require > date in certain format? This person says that our smail header is fine, > just the replies from resend are reversed. I looked in faq and there > is nothing on this. Any ideas? > > Clint Davis > David Standish david.standish@edu.gov.on.ca From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 11:53:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA14641 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailx.best.com (mailx.best.com [204.156.128.56]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA14620 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ahirsch.vip.best.com (ahirsch.vip.best.com [205.149.164.117]) by mailx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA00843 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:39:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199601261939.LAA00843@mailx.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alan Hirsch" Organization: a2z To: majordomo-users@Greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:19:57 -0800 Subject: Approving message on Moderates Lists Reply-to: Ahirsch@best.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk How do you set 1.93 up so make approving messages for moderated lists easy, and so the 1) the original subject line is included, 2) the message looks like it comes from original sender, 3) major domo add a minimum/no any extra message information-specific header/footer other than the standard header/footer.in config file. My suppport person said I need to go into my shell account and run ./approve for EVERY message--after I determine which is the file name of the mail messages I want to approve. Is it really this hard to use majordomo for moderated lists? Alan Hirsch Palo Alto, CA (trying to set up a public transportation list) From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 12:08:18 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15237 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from axp14.ams.org (AXP14.AMS.ORG [130.44.1.14]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id LAA15225 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:50:33 -0800 (PST) From: rem@MATH.AMS.ORG Received: from epsilon.ams.org by AXP14.AMS.ORG (PMDF V4.3-10 #7286) id <01I0GXGSWP7K000E30@AXP14.AMS.ORG>; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by epsilon.ams.org; (5.65/1.1.8.2/12Oct95-1155AM) id AA22120; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:47:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:47:10 -0500 Subject: digests list "table of contents" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <9601261947.AA22120@epsilon.ams.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Mts: smtp Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. I have a digested list and am using the message_fronter variable in the config file to give a list of subjects for the current digest. A user on that digest list had asked to see the sender of the message in addition to the subject in the "table of contents." This was a feature of listserv (which I have recently migrated from). Thanks in advance for your help. Bob Morse From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 12:22:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA15996 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from AmericasNet.com (katric.kcsnet.com [199.107.69.201]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA15989 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ricardo@localhost) by AmericasNet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA01263; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:07:20 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:07:20 -0800 From: Ricardo Kleemann Subject: Newbie question To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I just installed majordomo on my system and I'm trying to get it to work. Running Linux 1.2.13, majordomo-1.93 and perl5 My problem right now is that when I do a test, the alias to "wrapper majordomo" starts, then the process goes out of control, slowly gobbling up all memory in my system and bringing everything to a halt. What could this be?? Anyone have a sample of a .conf file to put in the lists directory? I didn't know what to put in there... Thanks, Ricardo From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 12:53:48 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17607 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17591 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (cjwoods@router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00179; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:38:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:38:23 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: Ricardo Kleemann cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Newbie question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Hello, > > I just installed majordomo on my system and I'm trying to get it to work. > > Running Linux 1.2.13, majordomo-1.93 and perl5 > > My problem right now is that when I do a test, the alias to "wrapper > majordomo" starts, then the process goes out of control, slowly gobbling > up all memory in my system and bringing everything to a halt. [...] Sounds like a permissions problem. Be sure that ~majordom (assuming you made the username `majordom') is 755 majordom.majordom, same for all subdirectories. Be sure everything in those directories is UID/GID majordom.majordom, all executable scripts are 755, all non-executable data files (.cf, list names and config files, etc) are either 644 or 664, once again, owned majordom.majordom. The *ONLY* exception is that the wrapper binary is owned by root, and setuid (i.e. 4755). Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 13:07:47 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA18992 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nps.navy.mil (nps.navy.mil [131.120.254.52]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA18963 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from in50205.cc.nps.navy.mil by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28610; Fri, 26 Jan 96 12:59:42 PST Received: from [131.120.63.62] by in50205.cc.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04611; Fri, 26 Jan 96 12:59:40 PST Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 12:58:52 PST X-Sender: rdthrash@131.120.50.205 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: rdthrash@nps.navy.mil (Roger Thrasher) Subject: Blocking an address Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Short of making a list closed, is there a way to block a certain address from subscribing to a list? From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 13:27:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17913 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (iaehv.IAEhv.nl [192.87.208.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17887 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from oasis.IAEhv.nl by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.12/1.63) id VAA28232; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:43:58 +0100 X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. Received: by oasis (8.6.12/1.63) id VAA01031; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:14:41 +0100 From: volf@oasis.IAEhv.nl (Frank Volf) Message-Id: <199601262014.VAA01031@oasis> Subject: How to Cc: messages to the list To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:14:40 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm running a helpdesk mailing list. A number of helpdesk people are on the list and users can send messages to the mailing list which are answered by someone of the helpdesk. For this list it would be nice if a reply to one of the messages is sent to both the user that asked the question and to the mailing list (so the other list members can see that the message has been answered). I first tried to do this, by setting a Reply-To: to $SENDER,mailinglist. However, this does not always work as it should because some mailers are unable to parse this correctly: if $SENDER expands to something more than a email adres (like: "volf@dse.nl (Frank Volf)"), the appended ",mailinglist" may get stripped. Therefore, I'm now thinking of adding a Cc: line to the mail, so that a group reply to the message, will forward a copy the mailing list. How can I achieve this? Is this a good solution or has someone an alternative? Regards, Frank ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank Volf - Internet Access Eindhoven - Digitale Stad Eindhoven ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- || volf@oasis.IAEhv.nl - use for personal mail || || volf@IAEhv.nl - use for Internet Access Eindhoven related mail || || volf@dse.dse.nl - use for Digital City of Eindhoven related mail || ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- IAE Public Access Unix System - Dial +31.40.2439436 and login as new. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 14:07:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA21620 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nameserver.pwfl.com (nameserver.pwfl.com [140.157.64.182]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA21615 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpu91278.pwfl.com ([10.30.160.241]) by nameserver.pwfl.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA07305 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by pwwpgw3.pwfl.com with Microsoft Mail id <3109503B@pwwpgw3.pwfl.com>; Fri, 26 Jan 96 17:05:47 est From: "Jamison, Mary" To: Majordomo Users Subject: appended header causes missing message text Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 16:58:00 est Message-Id: <3109503B@pwwpgw3.pwfl.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We are experiencing a problem using Majordomo from a MS Mail client when Majordomo appends either a header or footer to the message sent by the MS Mail client. This problem only occurs if the message originates on MS Mail and is delivered to MS Mail. If Majordomo appends a header to the message text, then the number of lines truncated from the message is equal to the number of lines in the appended header. For example, if there are 3 lines in the header, then the last 3 lines of the message text are missing. If Majordomo appends a footer to the message, then the footer is missing when the message is delivered to a MS Mail client. We are running Microsoft Mail for Windows 3.2a and Majordomo 1.93 on UNIX 4.1.3. Has anyone seen this problem before? Does anyone have a solution? Mary Jamison Pratt & Whitney jamisonm@pwfl.com From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 18:07:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA01896 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from etex.electrotex.com (etex.electrotex.com [204.96.98.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA01851 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from jgary.electrotex.com (port13.electrotex.com [204.96.98.37]) by etex.electrotex.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29878 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:53:22 -0600 Message-ID: <3109865F.35A@cpy.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:56:47 -0600 From: Jim Gary Organization: Chas. P. Young Internet Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: majordomo doesn't exist? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong here. I do get two warnings when compiling the wrapper. I've followed all of the read me's and manuals, checked all of the permissions and modes and can't find the problem. Ideas? ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: majordomo@cpy.com) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list majordomo@cpy.com majordomo: No such file or directory 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 5 -- Jim Gary Internet/EDGAR Services Chas. P. Young Co. From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 23:44:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA17140 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bhhome.bh.org (bhhome.bh.org [204.68.182.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id EAA22537 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 04:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bhhome.bh.org (8.7.1/8.7.1-BH100795) id HAA09341 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:25:43 -0500 From: Bill Heiser Message-Id: <199601251225.HAA09341@bhhome.bh.org> Subject: unwanted msgs from mailing list To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:25:42 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I run two mailing lists on my system. Both have -digest versions to which I subscribe as myself, with delivery to my local account. However from one of the lists (the non-digest versions) I also receive a copy of each posting, even though I'm not subscribed to the list! On the second list, this does not occur (and they both use identical config files, of course with the exception of list-name specific stuff). Has anyone else seen this occur? I'm using Majordomo v1.93 on a LINUX system running Sendmail v8.7. Thanks in advance, Bill -- Bill Heiser: bill@bh.org http://www.bh.org/ From majordomo-users-owner Fri Jan 26 23:53:11 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA17654 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.cyberramp.net (mailhost.cyberramp.net [206.42.4.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id JAA08872 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from .cyberramp.net (ramp3-1.cyberramp.net [206.42.4.131]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.7.1/8.7.1/$Revision: 1.2 $) with SMTP id KAA19627; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:59:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:59:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601261659.KAA19627@mailhost.cyberramp.net> X-Sender: jason@cyberramp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Jason Arnold Subject: Subscribe/Unsubscribe w/o commands Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Does majordomo offer any capabilities which would allow someone to subscribe or unsubscribe from a list simply by sending a message to a specific address? In other words, a person could send a message (any message) to "unsub_mylist@mydomain.com", and that person would be automatically removed from the list, just as if he or she had sent a valid unsubscribe command to majordomo@mydomain.com. Thanks, Jason Arnold Internet Marketing Partners Dallas, TX http://www.netbiz.com From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 02:00:12 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id BAA25293 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsgate.sps.mot.com (spsgate.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id BAA25256; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate (mogate.sps.mot.com) by spsgate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA03941 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 27 Jan 96 02:49:20 MST Received: from risc.sps.mot.com ([223.6.249.34]) by mogate (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA20204; Fri, 26 Jan 96 08:59:31 MST Received: from miaow.sps.mot.com (miaow.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA12404; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:59:29 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA23021; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:59:27 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199601261559.JAA23021@miaow.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: How to get this patch to work To: vince@apollo.COSC.GOV (-Vince-) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:59:27 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Jan 25, 96 06:56:04 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ -Vince- writes: ] > > Awhile back, I asked on the list and Ken Williams > sent me a patch for majordomo to handle the automatic uuencoding and sending > files that are binary with majordomo's get command but his e-mail just > bounces back. He mailed me a diff output but it doesn't say where in the > main majordomo program does it need to be applied to since he didn't do a > context diff output with diff -c. Hope someone out there can help! Thanks! Looks like he also reversed the diff, i.e. compared the files in new vs old order instead of old vs new. I'd say the 'local...' goes with the other locals at the start of do_get. The '&lopen(GETFILE...' is unique and matches line 988 (in an unmodified 1.93). The sub can go anywhere but is probably best inserted after the closing brace of do_get. -- Dave Wolfe *Not a spokesman for Motorola* (512) 891-3246 Motorola MMTG 6501 Wm. Cannon Dr. W. OE112 Austin TX 78735-8598 From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 05:07:51 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id EAA03257 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 04:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from quadstone.co.uk (quadstone.quadstone.co.uk [194.80.190.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id EAA03233 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 04:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from murrayfield.quadstone.co.uk by quadstone.co.uk id aa05420; 27 Jan 96 12:50 GMT Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:50:57 GMT Message-Id: <6192.199601271250@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> To: "Jamison, Mary" CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-reply-to: "Jamison, Mary"'s message of Fri, 26 Jan 96 16:58:00 est Subject: Re: appended header causes missing message text From: Evan Welsh References: <3109503B@pwwpgw3.pwfl.com> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jamison, Mary writes: jamisonm> We are experiencing a problem using Majordomo from a MS Mail client jamisonm> when Majordomo appends either a header or footer to the message jamisonm> sent by the MS Mail client. This problem only occurs if the message jamisonm> originates on MS Mail and is delivered to MS Mail. If Majordomo jamisonm> appends a header to the message text, then the number of lines jamisonm> truncated from the message is equal to the number of lines in the jamisonm> appended header. For example, if there are 3 lines in the header, jamisonm> then the last 3 lines of the message text are missing. If Majordomo jamisonm> appends a footer to the message, then the footer is missing when the jamisonm> message is delivered to a MS Mail client. jamisonm> We are running Microsoft Mail for Windows 3.2a and Majordomo 1.93 jamisonm> on UNIX 4.1.3. I think the clue is in these headers from your mail: X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Lines: 20 Microsoft Mail automatically counts the lines and generates a Lines line on sending the message, but of course adding the header or the footer changes the number of lines without updating the Lines line. Then the Microsoft Mail reading the mail takes the first Microsoft Mail at its word and truncates the message. So you might try hacking the majordomo scripts to either update or remove the Lines line when adding a header or a footer. Good luck... -- ####################################################################### # Evan Welsh Quadstone Ltd # # http://www.quadstone.co.uk/~evan/ +44 (0)131 220 4491 # ####################################################################### From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 05:22:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA04397 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 05:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.cedarnet.org (www.cedarnet.org [206.29.224.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA04392 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 05:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ryhpc by www.cedarnet.org via SMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id HAA13999; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 07:21:39 -0600 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 07:21:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199601271321.HAA13999@www.cedarnet.org> X-Sender: rh10023@www.cedarnet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Ronald Hahm Subject: Not really a Majordomo question but I need an answer Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a problem that has cropped up on a system that I do volunteer Sys Admin work for. Eventhough this is not a Majordomo related question it is related to mail and since people that manage majordomo listserv essentially become experts on sendmail and other mail related issues I thought I would try to ask since this problem is affecting my Majordomo lists. I am running into a problem on a SGI with a certain group of users not getting mail. It just so happens that these users have the same GID but I am not sure wheterh that is where the problem lies. What is happening is that users on the system that have different GIDs and people outside this system that try to send mail to anyone in this group get Mail Error 8 messages back from the mail subsystem. When I looked up the error it says that 8 is a "Invalid User". I find this strange in that these accounts have been set up and mail working for these accounts for over a year. Until now. I am at a total loss as to what the problem is and what to do to rectify the problem. Can anyone help me out here and give me suggestions as to things to try to find out what the problem is what to do to fix this? Any help would be much appreciated, --- Ronald Hahm E-Mail Address: rh10023@cedarnet.org From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 07:07:47 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA06133 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 07:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from cayman.ucs.indiana.edu (cayman.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.10.63]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id HAA06121 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 07:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu (aeulenbe@hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.41]) by cayman.ucs.indiana.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3/1.10IUPO) with ESMTP id KAA13535 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from aeulenbe@localhost) by hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu (8.7/8.7/regexp($Revision: 1.3 $) id KAA27638; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:01:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:01:31 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Eulenberg X-Sender: aeulenbe@hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Spurious Subscriber Strikes Again! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just received subscription notices concerning four America OnLine subscribers list between 2 and 3 am this morning. Moreover, the list-approval "no action required on your part" subscription notice gave me the username as the fullname (i.e. "pammcgraw has subscribed to your list" instead of "Pamela McGraw ...") for each of the four "subscribers". Because of this tell-tale pattern, I suspected they were victims of the famous evil subscription hacker. I mailed them just to make sure, but the message was bounced: three of them had FULL MAILBOXES! So, if any of the four user names subscribed to your list, consider unsubscribing them NOW! rentaylor@aol.com pammcgraw@aol.com newsmaster@aol.com mtvslave@aol.com --Alex From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 08:22:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA07515 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA07501 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (dialup-6a.prismnet.com [205.166.246.206]) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA13198; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:24:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199601271624.KAA13198@smokey.prismnet.com> X-Sender: tangent@prismnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:13:35 -0600 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Rod Cole Subject: Re: Spurious Subscriber Strikes Again! Cc: spam-l@eva.dc.lsoft.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I received them also Alex. I have already removed them from my list. Thanks for the warning. Rod Cole At 10:01 AM 1/27/96 -0500, Alex Eulenberg wrote on Majordomo-Users: >I just received subscription notices concerning four America OnLine >subscribers list between 2 and 3 am this morning. Moreover, the >list-approval "no action required on your part" subscription notice gave >me the username as the fullname (i.e. "pammcgraw has >subscribed to your list" instead of "Pamela McGraw ...") >for each of the four "subscribers". Because of this tell-tale pattern, I >suspected they were victims of the famous evil subscription hacker. I >mailed them just to make sure, but the message was bounced: three of them >had FULL MAILBOXES! > >So, if any of the four user names subscribed to your list, consider >unsubscribing them NOW! > >rentaylor@aol.com >pammcgraw@aol.com >newsmaster@aol.com >mtvslave@aol.com > >--Alex > > > > From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 08:53:13 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA09325 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ec2.earthchannel.com (ec2.earthchannel.com [205.160.16.65]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA09318 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:48:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601271648.IAA09318@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: from ec2 (205.160.16.65) by ec2.earthchannel.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.50) with SMTP id ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:34:19 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Gess Shankar" Organization: EarthChannel Communications To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:34:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Spurious Subscriber Strikes Again! Reply-to: gess@earthchannel.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 10:01 AM 1/27/96 -0500, Alex Eulenberg wrote on Majordomo-Users: >I just received subscription notices concerning four America OnLine >subscribers list between 2 and 3 am this morning. Moreover, the >list-approval "no action required on your part" subscription notice gave >me the username as the fullname (i.e. "pammcgraw has [etc..] Lsoft's Listserv has a feature which requires the subscriber's confirmation before the subscription becomes active. Usually this requires just responding to the confirmation alert from the server. Is there a similar feature/script for majordomo? Such a feature will kill such evil schemes to a large extent. And the intended victims will be alerted that their names are targets. Gess -- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Gess Shankar pax vobiscum gess@earthchannel.com http://www.earthchannel.com Earth Channel Communications, LLC. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 09:00:11 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA08980 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ASARian.org (ASARian.org [152.52.36.201]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA08968 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fuzzy@localhost) by ASARian.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03106; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:42:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:42:56 -0500 (EST) From: Fuzzy To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: coping with anonymous subscribers In-Reply-To: <199601271624.KAA13198@smokey.prismnet.com> Message-ID: Organization: *fuzzies* and *e-hugs* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk we run a mailing list that is a support-group in nature... we have some subscribers with an######@anon.penet.fi addresses, and the list also has an anon.penet.fi. the anon.penet.fi address points at a sendmail alias, which then points to listname, so email addressed to the an######@anon.penet.fi is forwarded thru the 1st sendmail alais, then to the MD alias for listname@my.domain. the email is then handled normally. our concern is that the same email will endup sent to the list many times, apparently from the users that subscribe to the list from an######@anon.penet.fi. are we doing something wrong, or is it just a quirk of the anonymous address? we would think there would be a way "filter" email from the APS so if isn't a posting from the anonymous address of the list it would dropped. or is there another way to not send so many duplicates when they arrive from other than the list. by the time MD sees the emails, (having passed thru the APS), the headers are very sparse. I know the address of the list, and the names of the sendmail aliases that would be valid. perhaps some sort piped script, so that sendmail gives the posting to the script, and it looks at the headers and if from the correct address forwards to the listname alias or just dumps it into /dev/null and returns with no error. thanks in advance for your help... Fuzzy From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 09:52:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA11474 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunserv7.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv7_le0.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.37]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA11469 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ecl6ql@localhost) by sunserv7.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA15879 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:49:19 GMT From: Q Li Message-Id: <199601271749.RAA15879@sunserv7.leeds.ac.uk> Subject: Sender and Precedence in the wrong place? To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:49:18 -0045 (GMT-0:45) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi I am new to majordomo and I have just setup a moderated list. When a message submitted to the list, I am as an owner gets it for approval. I do not use approval program so I just forward the message with Approval: in the beginging of the message and the message then gets distributed to the list subscribers. However, when one receives such approved message, one finds that the Sender: and Precedence: fields that majordomo added to the message header appear at the end of the message before my signature. Have I got some thing wrong in setup? Qin -- Qin Li, Computing Service, University of Leeds, Leeds, UK LS2 9JT Email: Q.Li@leeds.ac.uk Tel: +44 (0)113 2335379 Fax: +44 (0)113 2335411 ######################################################################### From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 10:37:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA14202 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA14189 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) id KAA05242; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:27:52 -0800 Received: from uunet.ca(142.77.1.254) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma005240; Sat Jan 27 10:27:43 1996 Received: from ophelia ([204.138.186.2]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <254890-5>; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:32:14 -0500 Received: by ophelia (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0tgFTT-0005FwC; Sat, 27 Jan 96 13:35 EST Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:35:43 -0500 From: "Mark A. Pitcher" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Strange Problem... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm trying to install Majordomo 1.93 on a Linux 2.1.8 system running smail. All of the permissions are fine, and wrapper is properly configured. I installed it according to the ORA Managing Internet Services book, then double checked everything with the FAQ and any other documentation I could find. When I try to test it, this is what I get: ophelia:~$ echo help | mail -v akai-request new spool file is /var/spool/smail/input/0tgFLK-0005FwC write_log:received | from: majordom | program: send-mail | size: 89 bytes director aliases: matched akai-request, aliased to "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer akai" directed akai-request --> "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer akai" ... send to pipe transport transport pipe uses driver pipe pipe: exec: "/bin/sh" "-c" "/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer akai" write_log:delivered | to: /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer akai | orig-to: akai-request | director: aliases | transport: pipe Instead of being mailed to a user, the command line gets used as the mailing address. Maybe this is normal, but it's not working, and this is the only thing I can see is wrong. Anyone know why, or what else I should be looking at? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark A. Pitcher | http://www.waterloo.net/~mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "GUH!" - Bill Leeb From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 12:40:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA21674 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.COSC.GOV (apollo.COSC.GOV [198.94.103.34]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id MAA21646; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from vince@localhost) by apollo.COSC.GOV (8.7.3/8.6.9) id MAA11889; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:34:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:34:10 -0800 (PST) From: -Vince- To: Dave Wolfe cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How to get this patch to work In-Reply-To: <199601261559.JAA23021@miaow.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Dave Wolfe wrote: > [ -Vince- writes: ] > > > > Awhile back, I asked on the list and Ken Williams > > sent me a patch for majordomo to handle the automatic uuencoding and sending > > files that are binary with majordomo's get command but his e-mail just > > bounces back. He mailed me a diff output but it doesn't say where in the > > main majordomo program does it need to be applied to since he didn't do a > > context diff output with diff -c. Hope someone out there can help! Thanks! > > Looks like he also reversed the diff, i.e. compared the files in new vs > old order instead of old vs new. I'd say the 'local...' goes with the > other locals at the start of do_get. The '&lopen(GETFILE...' is unique > and matches line 988 (in an unmodified 1.93). The sub can go anywhere > but is probably best inserted after the closing brace of do_get. Hmmm, okay... Thanks! If I insert this patch incorrectly, would it break the rest of majordomo? Cheers, -Vince- vince@COSC.GOV - GUS Mailing Lists Admin - http://www.COSC.GOV/~vince UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) Chabot Observatory & Science Center - Board of Advisors Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! Linda Wong/Vivian Chow/Hacken Lee/Danny Chan/Priscilla Chan Fan Club Mailing Lists Admin From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 14:23:15 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA26744 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from cybercorp.net (cybercorp.net [205.208.64.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA26739 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rhiggins@localhost) by cybercorp.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA25726; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:07:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:07:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Rob Higgins" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: archive and digest aren't happy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: CyberCorp Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Much appreciated if anyone could tell me why archive and digest are not happy (do they need to be setuid root on Linux as well as the wrapper? .... nawhhhh..) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ABORT Invalid archive directory. Aborting. 554 "| /usr/majordomo-1.93/wrapper archive2.pl -a -d -f /usr/local/mail/archive/sample/sample.archive"... unknown mailer error 29 open of temp file /usr/local/mail/digest/sample-digest/shlock.25691 failed No such file or directory ABORT open of temp file /usr/local/mail/digest/sample-digest/shlock.25691 failed No such file or directory at majordomo.pl line 209. 554 "| /usr/majordomo-1.93/wrapper digest -r -C -l sample-digest sample-digest-outgoing"... unknown mailer error 29 Message delivered to mailing list sample-owner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---rob--- Dr.Robert N. Higgins Ph.D.| The Virtual Gymnasium | aka: Doc Higgins ;-) CyberCorp Inc. |Online Education (courses)|writer of The Condom Song rhiggins@cybercorp.net | info@cybercorp.net | doc@cybercorp.net http://www.cybercorp.net | www.cybercorp.net/gymv | www.cybercorp.net/condom From majordomo-users-owner Sat Jan 27 14:39:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA28211 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcusa01.ecunet.org (pcusa01.ecunet.org [198.70.54.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA28204 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcusa01.ecunet.org id av15779; 27 Jan 96 17:20 EST Subject: Re: Spurious Subscriber Strikes Again! To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: Merrill Cook In-Reply-To: <199601271648.IAA09318@miles.greatcircle.com> from "Gess Shankar" at Jan 27, 96 11:34:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601271658.aa06300@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From Gess Shankar: > > Lsoft's Listserv has a feature which requires the subscriber's > confirmation before the subscription becomes active. Usually this > requires just responding to the confirmation alert from the server. > > Is there a similar feature/script for majordomo? Such a feature will > kill such evil schemes to a large extent. And the intended victims > will be alerted that their names are targets. ...Unless their mailbox is already full... and if not, they'll still get a whole bunch of confirmation requests they didn't want. -- Regards, Merrill Cook Louisville KY mcook@pcusa.org or MERRILL COOK on Ecunet/PresbyNet http://www.pcusa.org/pcusa.html -+- From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 08:22:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA08489 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hursley.ibm.com (mersey.hursley.ibm.com [193.129.184.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA08484 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by hursley.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA63309; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:15:27 GMT Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:15:27 GMT Message-Id: <9601281615.AA63309@hursley.ibm.com> From: ""Sean Davies"" Reply-To: Sean@hursley.ibm.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: (Fwd) Digests Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Can anyone help me ? I have just set up a new internet mailing list using majordomo V1.93 I am having difficulties creating the digests... My alias entries are as follows .. # sample owner-sample: sean@hursley.ibm.com sample-approval: sean@hursley.ibm.com sample: "|/u/majordom/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -R -l sample -f owner-sample -h hursley.ibm.com -s sample-outgoing" sample-digest: sample owner-sample-outgoing: owner-sample sample-outgoing::include:/u/majordom/lists/sample, "|/u/majordom/w rapper digest -r -C -l sample-digest sample-digest-outgoing", "|/u /majordom/wrapper archive2.pl -a -d -f /u/majordom/archives/sample/ibm-ja va-test.archive" owner-sample-digest-outgoing: owner-sample sample-digest-outgoing::include:/u/majordom/lists/sample-digest sample-request: "|/u/majordom/wrapper majordomo -l sample" owner-sample-request: owner-sample owner-sample-digest-request: owner-sample sample-digest-request: "|/u/majordom/wrapper majordomo -l sample-d igest" My majordomo.cf entry for $digest_work_dir = '/afs/afs.hursley.ibm.com/u/majordom/digests I have a sample-digest list in lists and sample-digest directory in digests. My archives are being generated OK and each posting is going into the digests/sample-digest directory as 001 002 003 etc.... But how do I make the digests ??? MKDIGEST sample-digest fails saying there are no messages ?? Also, any ideas as to how to switch off the subscribe/unsubscribe messages to the list owner ?? With 2000 odd people subscribing to the list, things are getting quite hectic !! -- Sean Davies Workstation and Network Support +-----------------------------------+ IBM UK Laboratories Ltd. | VNET: sean@hursley | Hursley Park, | Internet: sean@hursley.ibm.com | Winchester, Hants, +-----------------------------------+ England SO21 2JN Internal: 7-248974 International: +44 962-818974 From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 08:43:01 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA08909 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsgate.sps.mot.com (spsgate.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA08899; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate (mogate.sps.mot.com) by spsgate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA28669 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 28 Jan 96 09:30:08 MST Received: from risc.sps.mot.com ([223.6.249.34]) by mogate (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA12426; Sun, 28 Jan 96 09:30:05 MST Received: from miaow.sps.mot.com (miaow.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA29443; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:30:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA12413; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:30:02 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199601281630.KAA12413@miaow.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: How to get this patch to work To: vince@apollo.COSC.GOV (-Vince-) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:30:02 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (Majordomo user's mailing list), majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com (Majordomo developer's mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Jan 27, 96 12:34:10 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ -Vince- writes: ] > > > [ -Vince- writes: ] > > > > > > Awhile back, I asked on the list and Ken Williams > > > sent me a patch for majordomo to handle the > > > automatic uuencoding and sending files that are binary with > > > majordomo's get command [...] > > If I insert this patch incorrectly, would it break the rest of > majordomo? Uhhh... maybe. Probably. If I use salt instead of sugar in this recipe, will the cake taste different? :-) -- Dave Wolfe *Not a spokesman for Motorola* (512) 891-3246 Motorola MMTG 6501 Wm. Cannon Dr. W. OE112 Austin TX 78735-8598 From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 10:08:14 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA11229 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 09:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from hursley.ibm.com (mersey.hursley.ibm.com [193.129.184.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA11224 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 09:55:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by hursley.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA68556; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:53:57 GMT Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:53:57 GMT Message-Id: <9601281753.AA68556@hursley.ibm.com> From: ""Sean Davies"" Reply-To: Sean@hursley.ibm.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk All, I need to disable the who function for ALL requests - even from people who are subscribed. Any ideas ?? Sean -- Sean Davies Workstation and Network Support +-----------------------------------+ IBM UK Laboratories Ltd. | VNET: sean@hursley | Hursley Park, | Internet: sean@hursley.ibm.com | Winchester, Hants, +-----------------------------------+ England SO21 2JN Internal: 7-248974 International: +44 962-818974 From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 11:13:32 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA13417 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA13405 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: noise@io.org Received: from [199.166.239.224] (herald.net4.io.org [199.166.239.224]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA25409 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:06:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:06:09 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Is there a Auto-digest-maker? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hey all I run a mailing list on MajorDomo 1.93 on the Korg M1 synths. My ISP does not as of yet have the digest feature working, and when they do they're gonna charge me even more money to use it. For the first couple of months of the mailing lists exsistance, I made up the digests manually: Using Eudora for the Mac I transferred all the M1 mail into a separate mailbox and then exported all the messages from that mailbox into a text file that I cleaned up manually. Boy that took along time! 3000 lines! Then I posted them to our Web page for new subscribers to obtain. Is there a way of do this with some kind of utility? Search and replace using BBEdit or Word didn't seem to work too well. Any suggestions? Thanks and all... *********************************************************** noise noise @io.org http://www.io.org/~noise/ *********************************************************** From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 11:16:17 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA13029 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.COSC.GOV (apollo.COSC.GOV [198.94.103.34]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id KAA13017; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from vince@localhost) by apollo.COSC.GOV (8.7.3/8.6.9) id KAA26921; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:51:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:51:52 -0800 (PST) From: -Vince- To: Dave Wolfe cc: "Majordomo user's mailing list" , "Majordomo developer's mailing list" Subject: Re: How to get this patch to work In-Reply-To: <199601281630.KAA12413@miaow.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Dave Wolfe wrote: > [ -Vince- writes: ] > > > > > [ -Vince- writes: ] > > > > > > > > Awhile back, I asked on the list and Ken Williams > > > > sent me a patch for majordomo to handle the > > > > automatic uuencoding and sending files that are binary with > > > > majordomo's get command [...] > > > > If I insert this patch incorrectly, would it break the rest of > > majordomo? > > Uhhh... maybe. Probably. If I use salt instead of sugar in this recipe, > will the cake taste different? :-) Hehe, you have made your point indeed =) Cheers, -Vince- vince@COSC.GOV - GUS Mailing Lists Admin - http://www.COSC.GOV/~vince UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) Chabot Observatory & Science Center - Board of Advisors Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! Linda Wong/Vivian Chow/Hacken Lee/Danny Chan/Priscilla Chan Fan Club Mailing Lists Admin From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 14:38:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA18725 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from AmericasNet.com (katric.kcsnet.com [199.107.69.201]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA18720 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ricardo@localhost) by AmericasNet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA06111; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:23:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:23:05 -0800 From: Ricardo Kleemann Subject: still permission denied problems To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I've changed all the perms in the respective directories, I've set up majordomo at /var/spool/majordomo owned by majordom.majordom and its subdirectories are the same. I'm getting the error: Message delivered to mailing list test open of temp file /var/spool/majordomo/lists/shlock.6078 failed Permission denied Who are you? ABORT open of temp file /var/spool/majordomo/lists/shlock.6078 failed Permission denied at /usr/local/src/majordomo-1.93/majordomo.pl line 209. 554 "|/usr/local/src/majordomo-1.93/wrapper resend -l test -h americasnet.com -s test-outgoing"... unknown mailer error 29 So the directories are majordom.majordom and perms are 775. Why the problem with creating the file?? TIA, Ricardo From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 16:23:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA21897 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.130]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA21875 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.188.0.160] (tnc0160.asiapac.net [202.188.0.160]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA14721; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:02:18 +0800 Message-Id: <199601290002.IAA14721@gandalf.asiapac.net> To: Chris Woods Subject: Re: Newbie question Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 08:17:09 -0500 From: Ismail Ali X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Sounds like a permissions problem. Be sure that ~majordom (assuming you > made the username `majordom') is 755 majordom.majordom, same for all > subdirectories. Be sure everything in those directories is UID/GID > majordom.majordom, all executable scripts are 755, all non-executable data > files (.cf, list names and config files, etc) are either 644 or 664, once > again, owned majordom.majordom. The *ONLY* exception is that the wrapper > binary is owned by root, and setuid (i.e. 4755). Even though we didn't install majordomo files in ~majordom ? Yeah, what if we install majordomo in somewgere else, such /usr/local/pkg/majordomo1.93 -- ______ __________ ________________ ___ |/ /___ |___ ____/___ / The Network Connections Sdn. Bhd. __ /|_/ / __ /| |__ __/ __ / 52, Jalan SS15/4B, Subang Jaya _ / / / _ ___ |_ /___ _ /___ 47500 Petaling Jaya, Selangor /_/ /_/ /_/ |_|/_____/ /_____/ Malaysia. Tel:603-7337757,603-7334194 WWW=http://www.asiapac.net/~mael/ Fax:603-7345577 From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 16:38:04 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA22185 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from friday.houston.net (friday.houston.net [198.65.128.7]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA22175 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:32:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (fprefect@localhost) by friday.houston.net (8.6.12/RMC-1.001a) id SAA28205; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:27:28 -0600 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:27:28 -0600 (CST) From: Ford Prefect X-Sender: fprefect@friday.houston.net To: Ismail Ali cc: Chris Woods , "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Subject: Re: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <199601290002.IAA14721@gandalf.asiapac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > Sounds like a permissions problem. Be sure that ~majordom (assuming you > > made the username `majordom') is 755 majordom.majordom, same for all > > subdirectories. Be sure everything in those directories is UID/GID > > majordom.majordom, all executable scripts are 755, all non-executable data > > files (.cf, list names and config files, etc) are either 644 or 664, once > > again, owned majordom.majordom. The *ONLY* exception is that the wrapper > > binary is owned by root, and setuid (i.e. 4755). > > Even though we didn't install majordomo files in ~majordom ? Yeah, what if > we install majordomo in somewgere else, such /usr/local/pkg/majordomo1.93 Regardless, you still need to set the directories and files with permissions as detailed above, and make sure they're UID/GID majordom. I personally use /tools/majordomo-1.93. All I did was make sure this was the "home" directory for the "majordom" user. From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 18:23:10 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA26438 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from aimnet.com (mailhub1.aimnet.com [204.247.0.104]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id SAA26433 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from spam (cdavis@dial-bel1-24.iway.aimnet.com [204.118.160.24]) by aimnet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA04381 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:14:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:13:01 -42000 From: Clint Davis Subject: Re: resend.* files piling up To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is a re-post of my initial message. It may have been unclear so I will try to be more lucid: We are getting piles of resend.* files in /tmp. FAQ for 1.93 says to modify resend code but when I look at our resend program, the source is not the same as the patch source. We are using 1.93, so I need some clarification on the patch. Clint Davis "All the world is my country and all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." -- Thomas Paine From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 20:23:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA02923 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lynx.csn.net (lynx.csn.net [199.117.160.129]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA02917 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mop@localhost) by lynx.csn.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA05803; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:17:31 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:17:31 -0700 (MST) From: "Mark O. Power" To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Blocking 'who' from the world (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk If anyone there can provide an answer to the question I asked Brent Chapman, I would greatly appreciate it. I work for the helpdesk of the Colorado Supernet, and I am trying to see if it is possible to block subscribers to a majordomo list from getting the data from a 'who' command. Thanks for any help you can provide, MOP mop@csn.net Mark O. Power SuperNet Help Desk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:50:13 +0100 From: Brent Chapman To: "Mark O. Power" Subject: Re: Blocking 'who' from the world At 3:45 PM 1/24/96, Mark O. Power wrote: >Brent, I am extremely sorry if I should have been able to find this >information elsewhere, but I am interested in how I can block the who >command from subscribers to a majordomo list. I know I can block >non-subscribers by setting private_who to yes. But, if possible, I >would like to block all people, even subscribers to a list, from getting >output from the who command. >We are running Majordomo 1.93, Sendmail 8.6.12/8.6.9, and os HPUX >A.09.04 >I looked at a number of FAQs and could not figure out how to do this. >Maybe it is not possible. I'm not sure; I don't have any of my own lists set up that way, but it might be a feature/capability somebody else added after I stopped doing Majordomo maintenance. I'd suggest checking the Majordomo documentation in the O'Reilly & Associates book "Managing Internet Information Services", or asking on Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM. If nothing else, you could always modify the main loop in the Majordomo source to simply disable the "who" command, though that would obviously affect all the lists on your server. -Brent ----------------------+----------------------------+------------------------ Brent Chapman | Great Circle Associates | 1057 West Dana Street Brent@GreatCircle.COM | http://www.greatcircle.com | Mountain View, CA 94041 ----------------------+----------------------------+------------------------ Internet Tutorials from the Experts! From majordomo-users-owner Sun Jan 28 21:23:01 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id VAA05318 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nps.navy.mil (nps.navy.mil [131.120.254.52]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA05313 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from in50205.cc.nps.navy.mil by nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13467; Sun, 28 Jan 96 21:14:54 PST Received: from by in50205.cc.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB04343; Sun, 28 Jan 96 21:14:53 PST Date: Sun, 28 Jan 96 21:14:53 PST X-Sender: rdthrash@131.120.50.205 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-C4I-Pro: To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: rdthrash@nps.navy.mil (Roger D. Thrasher) Subject: Blocking an unwanted address Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a way to block a single address from subscribing to a list? There is someone who has been barred from our list for personal attacks and I want to make sure he stays off. But the problem is that we also want to maintain an open subscription policy (no desire to shut the gates just because of one individual). Anyone encounter this problem before? Thanks. Roger From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 03:23:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id DAA20026 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 03:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bighorn.terra.net (bighorn.terra.net [199.103.128.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id DAA20021 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 03:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sol.helios.net (SOL.HELIOS.NET [205.159.90.2]) by bighorn.terra.net (8.7.Beta.11/jr2.10) with SMTP id FAA21226; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:37:54 -0500 Received: by sol.helios.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18245; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:57:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:57:28 -0800 From: nunez@sol.terra.net (Steven Nunez) Message-Id: <9601291357.AA18245@sol.helios.net> To: rdthrash@nps.navy.mil (Roger D. Thrasher) Cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Blocking an unwanted address In-Reply-To: References: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Please let me know what you find out about this one too. - SteveN >>>>> "Roger" == Roger D Thrasher writes: Roger> Does anyone know of a way to block a single address from Roger> subscribing to a list? There is someone who has been barred Roger> from our list for personal attacks and I want to make sure Roger> he stays off. But the problem is that we also want to Roger> maintain an open subscription policy (no desire to shut the Roger> gates just because of one individual). Anyone encounter Roger> this problem before? Thanks. Roger> Roger From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 03:39:04 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id DAA21130 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 03:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from vellocet.insync.net (vellocet.insync.net [204.253.208.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id DAA21117 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 03:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from satterwh.insync.net (line-249.insync.net [204.253.208.249]) by vellocet.insync.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA15429 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:25:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601291125.FAA15429@vellocet.insync.net> X-Sender: satterwh@mailhost.insync.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:32:16 -0600 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM From: Michael Satterwhite Subject: Re: Blocking 'who' from the world (fwd) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 09:17 PM 1/28/96 -0700, Mark O. Power wrote: >If anyone there can provide an answer to the question I asked Brent Chapman, >I would greatly appreciate it. I work for the helpdesk of the Colorado >Supernet, and I am trying to see if it is possible to block subscribers >to a majordomo list from getting the data from a 'who' command. I believe setting "anon_who" to yes does exactly this. ---Michael Owner: yes-list@eskimo.com Youth in Entertainment and Sports http://www.eskimo.com/~satterwh From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 05:53:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA25956 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from idcresearch.com (ingate.idcresearch.com [198.112.96.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA25951 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:40:12 -0800 (PST) From: mlevi@idcresearch.com Received: from ccmailin.idcresearch.com by idcresearch.com (5.0/NEARnet-idcresearch-1.5) id AA06520; Mon, 29 Jan 96 08:39:04 EST Received: from ccMail by ccmailin.idcresearch.com id AA822933679 Mon, 29 Jan 96 08:41:19 EST Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 08:41:19 EST Message-Id: <9600298229.AA822933679@ccmailin.idcresearch.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Losing Messages Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We're running 1.93. It appears that sometimes when a message is sent to a list it is not distributed to all members of the list. This seems to be the case even when all bounces are accounted for. Can anyone suggest where we might start looking for the problem? Thanks, Mike Levi From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 06:08:36 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA26494 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from SYSWRK.UCIS.Dal.Ca (syswrk.UCIS.Dal.Ca [129.173.2.108]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id FAA26479 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from AC.Dal.Ca by SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.3-13 #6307) id <01I0KU1J72I8007TFQ@SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA>; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:54:06 -0400 Received: from biome.bio.dfo.ca ("port 3565"@biome.BIO.dfo.ca) by AC.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.3-13 #6307) id <01I0KU0DWEF40028EN@AC.DAL.CA>; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:53:13 -0400 Received: by biome.bio.dfo.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @ac.dal.ca:Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM id AA21508; Mon, 29 Jan 96 09:50:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:50:02 -0400 (AST) From: sysop@biome.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Subject: Why is docbelap@super.furg.br a hostile address? To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Message-id: <9601291350.AA21508@biome.bio.dfo.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I get a fair number of "hostile addresses" here from X400 sites, mostly at government labs, but this one baffles me. Any idea why this got rejected? The full log entry is: Jan 29 13:45:07 biome.bio.dfo.ca majordomo[21456] {DOCBELAP@SUPER.FURG.BR} ABORT HOSTILE ADDRESS - docbelap@super.furg.br >From Majordomo-Owner@hed.bio.dfo.ca Mon Jan 29 13:45:09 1996 >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 13:45:09 GMT >Message-Id: <9601291345.AA21476@biome.bio.dfo.ca> >To: Majordomo-Owner@hed.bio.dfo.ca >From: Majordomo@hed.bio.dfo.ca >Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT >Reply-To: Majordomo@hed.bio.dfo.ca > >-- > > >MAJORDOMO ABORT > >HOSTILE ADDRESS - docbelap@super.furg.br > > > BIOME SysOp, Habitat Ecology Section, Habitat Science Division Bedford Institute of Oceanography, P. O. Box 1006 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2, Attn. Bill Silvert sysop@hed.bio.ns.ca, phone (902)426-1577, server URL=http://hed.bio.dfo.ca From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 06:40:16 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA28287 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 06:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.org [140.174.78.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA28281 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 06:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from attitude.queernet.org by queernet.queernet.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tgud3-000D34C; Mon, 29 Jan 96 06:32 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960129143018.019251c4@queernet.org> X-Sender: rogerk@queernet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 06:30:18 -0800 To: Michael Satterwhite , Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Subject: Re: Blocking 'who' from the world (fwd) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 05:32 AM 1/29/96 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote: >At 09:17 PM 1/28/96 -0700, Mark O. Power wrote: > >>If anyone there can provide an answer to the question I asked Brent Chapman, >>I would greatly appreciate it. I work for the helpdesk of the Colorado >>Supernet, and I am trying to see if it is possible to block subscribers >>to a majordomo list from getting the data from a 'who' command. > >I believe setting "anon_who" to yes does exactly this. ...if you install the contributed "anon" patch. --- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 07:23:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA00290 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 07:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rspac.ivv.nasa.gov (rspac.ivv.nasa.gov [129.164.40.100]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA00284 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 07:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ral@localhost) by rspac.ivv.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA24108; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:11:52 -0500 From: Rebecca Littleton Message-Id: <199601291511.KAA24108@rspac.ivv.nasa.gov> Subject: CC vs ReplyTo to sent to entire list To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:11:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: ral@rspac.ivv.nasa.gov (Rebecca Littleton) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk My question concerns sending a reply message to the entire list. Instead of utilizing the "reply_to" option -- which adds a ReplyTo: field to the message header -- I would like to set up an automatic CC which has the address of the list. The strategy for this is: I want all replies by default to go to the entire list. However, some users may wish to reply only to the sender and they could more easily delete the CC from their message than deleting the address of the list from the TO field and replacing it with the sender's address. Is this possible? Thanks for your help. Rebecca Littleton Systems Admin West Virginia University NASA IV&V Facility Fairmont, WV ral@rspac.ivv.nasa.gov From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 08:12:11 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA03535 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.iie.org (smtp.iie.org [199.222.72.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA03530 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: aspivakovsky@iie.org Received: from ccMail by smtp.iie.org (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 10cef6f0; Mon, 29 Jan 96 11:01:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:40:24 -0500 Message-ID: <10cef6f0@iie.org> Subject: Re: archive and digest aren't happy To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, "Dr. Rob Higgins" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Make sure that the archive dir. you have set up in /etc/aliases for that list is the same as the one in majordomo.cf. In your case I think it should be : @archive_dirs = ( "/usr/local/mail/archive/sample") Ari ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: archive and digest aren't happy Author: "Dr. Rob Higgins" at internet Date: 1/27/96 5:07 PM Much appreciated if anyone could tell me why archive and digest are not happy (do they need to be setuid root on Linux as well as the wrapper? .... nawhhhh..) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ABORT Invalid archive directory. Aborting. 554 "| /usr/majordomo-1.93/wrapper archive2.pl -a -d -f /usr/local/mail/archive/sample/sample.archive"... unknown mailer error 29 open of temp file /usr/local/mail/digest/sample-digest/shlock.25691 failed No such file or directory ABORT open of temp file /usr/local/mail/digest/sample-digest/shlock.25691 failed No such file or directory at majordomo.pl line 209. 554 "| /usr/majordomo-1.93/wrapper digest -r -C -l sample-digest sample-digest-outgoing"... unknown mailer error 29 Message delivered to mailing list sample-owner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---rob--- Dr.Robert N. Higgins Ph.D.| The Virtual Gymnasium | aka: Doc Higgins ;-) CyberCorp Inc. |Online Education (courses)|writer of The Condom Song rhiggins@cybercorp.net | info@cybercorp.net | doc@cybercorp.net http://www.cybercorp.net | www.cybercorp.net/gymv | www.cybercorp.net/condom From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 08:25:28 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA03899 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:17:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [192.74.137.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA03894 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:17:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id LAA18747; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:06:08 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14762; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:14:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:14:08 -0500 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear) Message-Id: <199601291614.AA14762@world.std.com> To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Blocking an unwanted address Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by hursley.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25300; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:00:24 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:00:24 GMT Message-Id: <9601291700.AA25300@hursley.ibm.com> From: "Sean Davies" Organization: IBM (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (X11; I; AIX 1) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: address unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I seem to be getting a lot of messages from unknown sources.... > Subject:Majordomo results: Returned mail: Host unknown > Date:Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:52:38 GMT > From:majordomo@hursley.ibm.com > To:MAILER-DAEMON@klingon.hursley.ibm.com > > > -- > >>>> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > END OF COMMANDS klingon is my list server but how do I find out where the original request was sent from ? Ive set up my bounces list but nothing appears in there.. -- Sean Davies Workstation and Network Support +-----------------------------------+ IBM UK Laboratories Ltd. | VNET: sean@hursley | Hursley Park, | Internet: sean@hursley.ibm.com | Winchester, Hants, +-----------------------------------+ England SO21 2JN Internal: 7-248974 International: +44 962-818974 From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 09:23:39 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA05233 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from SYSWRK.UCIS.Dal.Ca (syswrk.UCIS.Dal.Ca [129.173.2.108]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id IAA05228 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from AC.Dal.Ca by SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.3-13 #6307) id <01I0KW254FWG006Z7A@SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA>; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:51:52 -0400 Received: from biome.bio.dfo.ca ("port 3571"@biome.BIO.dfo.ca) by AC.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.3-13 #6307) id <01I0KW12AEEO002DGH@AC.DAL.CA>; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:50:56 -0400 Received: by biome.bio.dfo.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @ac.dal.ca:Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM id AA21993; Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:47:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:47:58 -0400 (AST) From: bill@biome.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Subject: Re: Why is docbelap@super.furg.br a hostile address? In-reply-to: <9601291350.AA21508@biome.bio.dfo.ca> from "Bill Silvert" at Jan 29, 96 09:50:02 am To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Message-id: <9601291447.AA21993@biome.bio.dfo.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Sorry for posting this, I finally figured it out myself. I just realized that Majordomo didn't put in the hyphen, the user must have, and the hostile address is not "docbelap@super.furg.br" but "- docbelap@super.furg.br". Bill >I get a fair number of "hostile addresses" here from X400 sites, mostly >at government labs, but this one baffles me. Any idea why this got >rejected? The full log entry is: > >Jan 29 13:45:07 biome.bio.dfo.ca majordomo[21456] {DOCBELAP@SUPER.FURG.BR} ABORT HOSTILE ADDRESS - docbelap@super.furg.br > >>From Majordomo-Owner@hed.bio.dfo.ca Mon Jan 29 13:45:09 1996 >>Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT >> >>MAJORDOMO ABORT >> >>HOSTILE ADDRESS - docbelap@super.furg.br From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 09:53:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA07129 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp-1.csn.net (uucp-1.csn.net [199.117.27.26]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA07124 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bigbtu.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp-1.csn.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id KAA12338; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:38:40 -0700 Received: by resdata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13918; Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:11:59 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:11:59 GMT From: ktaylor@resdata.com (Kevin Taylor) Message-Id: <9601291011.AA13918@resdata.com> To: ricardo@americasnet.com Subject: RE: Newbie question Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Hello, > > I just installed majordomo on my system and I'm trying to get it to work. > > Running Linux 1.2.13, majordomo-1.93 and perl5 > > My problem right now is that when I do a test, the alias to "wrapper > majordomo" starts, then the process goes out of control, slowly gobbling > up all memory in my system and bringing everything to a halt. Richard, I had _exactly_ the same problem when I first installed Majordomo on my Linux system (at the time I think I had all the same versions of Linux/Majordomo/Perl that you do). Anyway, run the "top" command and watch your process run when you send mail to Majordomo. My physical memory droped to nothing (~256k) and my swap got eaten up until the whole process just died. If I killed the process, I got mail with some cryptic mail message telling me there was a mailer error (insufficient memory or somesuch). The key here is to see who the owner of the process is. If the owner appears to be a user that is not on your system (like uid 54, which is the default uid and gid with the majordomo distribution), you need to edit your Makefile and change the following lines: [...] # W_UID = 0 <--- this should be the UID for ROOT W_GID = 0 <--- this should be the GID for ROOT W_CHOWN=root <--- make sure this says "root" W_CHMOD=4755 WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ This was the fix for my system. Try it out and see if works for you. Good luck, Kevin Taylor ktaylor@bigbtu.resdata.com >;) From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 10:46:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA10745 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.gvsu.edu (news.gvsu.edu [148.61.1.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id KAA10512 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from GVSU.EDU by news.gvsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA269820314; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:31:54 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by GVSU.EDU id AA822951133 Mon, 29 Jan 96 13:32:13 EST Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 13:32:13 EST From: fedderd@GVSU.EDU (DICK FEDDER) Message-Id: <9600298229.AA822951133@GVSU.EDU> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: List owner approval question Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi. I've got version 1.93 set up and I'm ruuning some tests from various machines with different mailers and such. One of my test lists is moderated. When the list owner receives a post from a list member, then sends it to the list, approved, it doesn't always work properly depending on where the approval is sent from; the message get's posted to the list, but it's empty, or at least it looks that way to the list members. Although I've got to do more testing, the following format seems to work so far: First line -> Approved: mypassword 1 blank line -> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:23:30 Headers { From: fedderd@gvsu.edu To: testlist@gvsu.edu Subject: just testing Blank line -> Body of original message..... Is this correct? Should there be a blank line after the "Approved:" line? I thought that it was supposed to be after the whole group of headers. Thanks for your help. Dick From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 10:55:42 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA10157 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from dusseldorf.erg.sri.com (dusseldorf.erg.sri.com [128.18.4.198]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA10149 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:29:58 -0800 (PST) From: lewis@erg.sri.com Received: from localhost.erg.sri.com by dusseldorf.erg.sri.com (4.1/2.7davy) id AA24947; Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:24:57 PST Message-Id: <9601291824.AA24947@dusseldorf.erg.sri.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Majordomo & debugging the mysterious SMTP 554 error Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:24:55 -0800 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I spent last week installing and configuring majordomo and some mailing lists for the first time, and found that the following greatly aided debugging the installation and pin down the reason for the mysterious SMTP 554 error (maybe this is one for the FAQ?) My problem was, in particular, that digest failed when trying to mail out the digest, because I left the "@host.part" off the "reply_to" 1) when delivering mail through a program, that is, with an /etc/aliases entry like list-outgoing: "|wrapper digest ..." any output to STDERR seems to generate the 554 error. 2) the sendmail diagnostics are written to /var/adm/messages, but the majordomo diagnostics are lost (to /dev/null, ??) 3) viewing the SMTP transactions helped considerably in locating the error. To do this, find in the particular majordomo script sendmail is resolving to ei "digest", and change the line the contains "/usr/lib/sendmail" by adding temporarily a verbose flag "-v" and then send to the list. I set "maxlength" in the list-digest.config file to only 1000, so that digests would be send after just a couple messages sent to the list. 4) looking at the message before it is given to sendmail was also helpful. I did this in the digest script by finding where /usr/lib/sendmail was executed, and writting a copy of the file that was going to be mailed to a /tmp/foofile. Mark Lewis From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 12:12:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16179 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.gvsu.edu (news.gvsu.edu [148.61.1.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id LAA16164 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from GVSU.EDU by news.gvsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA288094690; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:44:50 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by GVSU.EDU id AA822955514 Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:45:14 EST Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:45:14 EST From: fedderd@GVSU.EDU (DICK FEDDER) Message-Id: <9600298229.AA822955514@GVSU.EDU> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: List owner approval question Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Here's the latest on my testing. No matter what I do I cannot send a message with an "Approved:" line from Lotus cc:Mail to a moderated list; that's the mail program most of our list owners will be using. More accurately, a message get's posted, but there's nothing in it. I've tried re-arranging the headers, removing some headers, all headers.... nothing works from cc:Mail. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Any suggestions? Thanks again. Dick ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: List owner approval question Author: Dick Fedder at PO7 Date: 1/29/96 1:29 PM Hi. I've got version 1.93 set up and I'm ruuning some tests from various machines with different mailers and such. One of my test lists is moderated. When the list owner receives a post from a list member, then sends it to the list, approved, it doesn't always work properly depending on where the approval is sent from; the message get's posted to the list, but it's empty, or at least it looks that way to the list members. Although I've got to do more testing, the following format seems to work so far: First line -> Approved: mypassword 1 blank line -> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:23:30 Headers { From: fedderd@gvsu.edu To: testlist@gvsu.edu Subject: just testing Blank line -> Body of original message..... Is this correct? Should there be a blank line after the "Approved:" line? I thought that it was supposed to be after the whole group of headers. Thanks for your help. Dick From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 12:23:26 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA18124 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from tofu.rhcl.niu.edu (tofu.rhcl.niu.edu [131.156.75.57]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA18115 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chany@localhost) by tofu.rhcl.niu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA19446; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:18:46 -0600 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:18:45 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Chany To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Blocking an unwanted address In-Reply-To: <199601291614.AA14762@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Elizabeth Lear wrote: > ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA14746; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:01:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Adams To: eqDave Wolfe cc: "Majordomo user's mailing list" Subject: Re: Setting up archives (again) In-Reply-To: <9510301847.AA16409@miaow.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-2144217206-23907860-822945685=:14679" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---2144217206-23907860-822945685=:14679 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Christopher Adams Automated Systems Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Dave Wolfe wrote: > [ Chris Adams writes: ] > > > > I posted a message last week about setting up archives, but nobody > > responded, which surprised me. I am using Majordomo 1.92 and would like a > > basic step-by-step summary of setting up an archive. The FAQ addresses > > some of it, but since I am just learning Perl, I am a little confused. I > > have attempted it, but it doesn't seem to work. > > Well, Chris, don't you suppose that if someone had written down a > complete step-by-step it would be available at greatcircle.com if not > already in the Mj distribution? What you're asking for is a lot of > trouble. The way this usually works is that you try your level best and > post your specific (Majordomo-related) problem(s) to this list. Then > folks can help you solve your problem. That way it seems like the job > is simple and manageable instead of like folks are doing everything for > you. :-) > > If you basically have your list working and just want to add archiving, > try this: > > 1) If it's not already there, copy contrib/archive2.pl to your > installation home directory (where wrapper lives). You may have > already installed it as 'archive'; if so, then change the name in > step 4 to conform. > > 2) Create a directory for the archives and be sure Majordomo has full > permissions in it, e.g.: > > mkdir /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive > chmod 0770 /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive > chown majordom.majordom /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive > > 3) Edit your majordomo.cf file to specify the archive directory: > > $filedir = "$listdir"; > $filedir_suffix = ".archive"; > @archive_dirs = <$listdir/*.archive>; > > 4) Add the following alias ('listname' is generic: use your list name): > > listname-archive: "|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m > -f /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname.archive/listname" > > 5) Change your outgoing alias to also deliver to the archive alias: > > listname-outgoing: :include:/path/to/majordomo/lists/listname,listname-archive > > 6) Run newaliases. > > This works for me, but YMMV. Other problems crop up because of system > differences and your preferences, but this should give you a start. > > -- > Dave Wolfe *Not a spokesman for Motorola* (512) 891-3246 > Motorola MMTG 6501 Wm. Cannon Dr. W. OE112 Austin TX 78735-8598 > ---2144217206-23907860-822945685=:14679-- From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 12:54:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA19747 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from AmericasNet.com (katric.kcsnet.com [199.107.69.201]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA19720 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ricardo@localhost) by AmericasNet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA08304; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:47:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:47:52 -0800 From: Ricardo Kleemann Subject: RE: Newbie question To: Kevin Taylor cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <9601291011.AA13918@resdata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks for the help everyone... First I had to fix the various permissions, then I changed the UID and GID for wrapper to match that of the user.group majordom.majordom. Now I think everything's in place. When sending a subscribe request to my test list, I got back a "BOUNCE test: Admin request" message. So... what's my next step? ;-) Thanks again for those who helped out Ricardo From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 14:40:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA27272 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from SSD.intel.com (ssd.intel.com [137.46.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA27260 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from boat.SSD.intel.com (ark.ssd.intel.com) by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25564; Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:34:01 PST Received: by boat.SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21587; Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:33:54 PST Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:33:54 PST From: Mike Northam Message-Id: <9601292233.AA21587@boat.SSD.intel.com> To: chany@tofu.rhcl.niu.edu Cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Blocking an unwanted address In-Reply-To: References: <199601291614.AA14762@world.std.com> X-Attribution: mbn Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> In article , Daniel Chany writes: Dan> I have just created a mailing list, and would like to know how to Dan> restrict posting to those who are members of the list. I have tried using Dan> a closed subscription policy but that apparently doesn't prevent anyone Dan> not on the list to send to it. True. Subscription policy has nothing to do with posting policy. Dan> THere is a restrict_post option but I do not know how to use it. You might want to check the FAQ at http://www.math.psu.edu/barr/majordomo-faq.html From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 14:55:28 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA27536 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from dps.sdsu.edu (dps.sdsu.edu [130.191.69.51]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA27523 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:38:37 -0800 (PST) From: Glen X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Runaway... Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:37:25 PST Message-ID: <9601291437.aa17842@dps.sdsu.edu> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi! I'm running 1.93 under Perl 5.001m on SCO Open Server 5. Today I tried to add a really long and complex address to one of the lists on the system. The list is "open" (not auto), so I did: approve mypassword subscribe mylist-l really_long_email_address Then something weird happened... majordomo rejected the address as "HOSTILE," but started sending me rejection messages about every ten seconds. It seemed to be caught it some kind of loop, although I couldn't tell how. All other admin messages/approves, etc., have been working fine. Just this HOSTILE ADDRESS thing caused it to go nuts. The only way I could shut it down was to log in to the server as root, and manually purge the entire mail queue from the system. Nasty hack. Does anyone know why this might have happened, and how to prevent it in the future? I don't care why the address was rejected, I just care about the endless looping... Thanks! Glen glen@dps.sdsu.edu From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 16:23:43 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA01666 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.130]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA01661 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.188.0.174] (tnc0174.asiapac.net [202.188.0.174]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA05542; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:01:27 +0800 Message-Id: <199601300001.IAA05542@gandalf.asiapac.net> To: Mike Northam Subject: Re: first time installation Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 08:16:29 -0500 From: Ismail Ali X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Mike > Check that the log file location exists and is writable by majordomo. My log file locations is as the same as the majordomo files locations and yeah, it is writable by majordomo. -- ______ __________ ________________ ___ |/ /___ |___ ____/___ / The Network Connections Sdn. Bhd. __ /|_/ / __ /| |__ __/ __ / 52, Jalan SS15/4B, Subang Jaya _ / / / _ ___ |_ /___ _ /___ 47500 Petaling Jaya, Selangor /_/ /_/ /_/ |_|/_____/ /_____/ Malaysia. Tel:603-7337757,603-7334194 WWW=http://www.asiapac.net/~mael/ Fax:603-7345577 From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 16:27:17 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA01942 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.130]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA01929 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.188.0.174] (tnc0174.asiapac.net [202.188.0.174]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA05578; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:09:08 +0800 Message-Id: <199601300009.IAA05578@gandalf.asiapac.net> To: Michael Young Subject: Re: first time installation Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 08:24:10 -0500 From: Ismail Ali X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Michael > Double check, and make sure that the directory structure for majordomo is > group/user read/write by majordom. You might have to chown/chgrp a few > things, as well as chmod a couple. the directory structure again is /usr/local/pkg/majordomo. Does your statement means that every single directory in the tree must group/user readable/writable by majordom user ? Wah...what about the security issues then ? > You're getting close though. :) not really. -- ______ __________ ________________ ___ |/ /___ |___ ____/___ / The Network Connections Sdn. Bhd. __ /|_/ / __ /| |__ __/ __ / 52, Jalan SS15/4B, Subang Jaya _ / / / _ ___ |_ /___ _ /___ 47500 Petaling Jaya, Selangor /_/ /_/ /_/ |_|/_____/ /_____/ Malaysia. Tel:603-7337757,603-7334194 WWW=http://www.asiapac.net/~mael/ Fax:603-7345577 From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 20:09:10 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA18169 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:01:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.130]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA18141 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.188.0.186] (tnc0186.asiapac.net [202.188.0.186]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA07140; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:48:14 +0800 Message-Id: <199601300348.LAA07140@gandalf.asiapac.net> To: "Mark K. Mellis" Subject: re : first time installation Date: Thu, 01 Jan 70 00:00:00 -0500 From: Ismail Ali X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello Mark.. > Bit me the other day... Make sure that the directory containing > the log file is writable by the majordomo user. yep, it is writable by majordom. -- -- ______ __________ ________________ ___ |/ /___ |___ ____/___ / The Network Connections Sdn. Bhd. __ /|_/ / __ /| |__ __/ __ / 52, Jalan SS15/4B, Subang Jaya _ / / / _ ___ |_ /___ _ /___ 47500 Petaling Jaya, Selangor /_/ /_/ /_/ |_|/_____/ /_____/ Malaysia. Tel:603-7337757,603-7334194 WWW=http://www.asiapac.net/~mael/ Fax:603-7345577 From majordomo-users-owner Mon Jan 29 20:23:15 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA18154 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.130]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA18139 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.188.0.186] (tnc0186.asiapac.net [202.188.0.186]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA07137; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:48:10 +0800 Message-Id: <199601300348.LAA07137@gandalf.asiapac.net> To: Kevin Taylor Subject: re : newbie quiestion Date: Thu, 01 Jan 70 00:00:00 -0500 From: Ismail Ali X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > # > W_UID = 0 <--- this should be the UID for ROOT > W_GID = 0 <--- this should be the GID for ROOT > W_CHOWN=root <--- make sure this says "root" > W_CHMOD=4755 > WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ Isn't that W_UID and W_GID are supposed to be user and group majordomo ? Anyway, I tried your solution but it still doesn't solve my problem. I still got this error ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- The original message was received at Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:21:52 +0800 from tnc0174.asiapac.net [202.188.0.174] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/pkg/majordomo-1.93/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list majordomo: Permission denied 554 "|/usr/local/pkg/majordomo-1.93/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 5 -- ______ __________ ________________ ___ |/ /___ |___ ____/___ / The Network Connections Sdn. Bhd. __ /|_/ / __ /| |__ __/ __ / 52, Jalan SS15/4B, Subang Jaya _ / / / _ ___ |_ /___ _ /___ 47500 Petaling Jaya, Selangor /_/ /_/ /_/ |_|/_____/ /_____/ Malaysia. Tel:603-7337757,603-7334194 WWW=http://www.asiapac.net/~mael/ Fax:603-7345577 From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 01:11:06 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA08251 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sentinel.synapse.net (sentinel.synapse.net [192.197.166.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id AAA08212 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:40:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from glcom.com (glink@localhost) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with UUCP id DAA11584; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 03:28:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sentinel.synapse.net: glink set sender to glcom.com!jamal using -f Received: by glcom.com id AA00241 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:07:27 -0500 From: Jamal Hadi Message-Id: <199601300307.AA00241@glcom.com> Subject: Re: Newbie question To: ktaylor@resdata.com (Kevin Taylor) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:07:26 -0500 (EST) Cc: ricardo@americasnet.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <9601291011.AA13918@resdata.com> from "Kevin Taylor" at Jan 29, 96 10:11:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > > On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I just installed majordomo on my system and I'm trying to get it to work. > > > > Running Linux 1.2.13, majordomo-1.93 and perl5 > > > > My problem right now is that when I do a test, the alias to "wrapper > > majordomo" starts, then the process goes out of control, slowly gobbling > > up all memory in my system and bringing everything to a halt. > > Richard, > I had _exactly_ the same problem when I first installed Majordomo > on my Linux system (at the time I think I had all the same versions of > Linux/Majordomo/Perl that you do). Anyway, run the "top" command and watch > your process run when you send mail to Majordomo. My physical memory > droped to nothing (~256k) and my swap got eaten up until the whole process > just died. If I killed the process, I got mail with some cryptic mail message > telling me there was a mailer error (insufficient memory or somesuch). The > key here is to see who the owner of the process is. If the owner appears to > be a user that is not on your system (like uid 54, which is the default > uid and gid with the majordomo distribution), you need to edit your Makefile > and change the following lines: > > [...] yeah, i went through the same problem. My fix was similar > # > W_UID = 0 <--- this should be the UID for ROOT W_UID = 514 <--- this is UID for user majordom > W_GID = 0 <--- this should be the GID for ROOT W_GID = 17 <--- this is GID for user majordom > W_CHOWN=root <--- make sure this says "root" same > W_CHMOD=4755 same > WRAPPER_FLAGS = -DBIN=\"${W_BIN}\" -DPATH=\"PATH=${W_PATH}\" \ > > > This was the fix for my system. Try it out and see if works for you. > cheers jamal From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 01:13:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA09612 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from SSD.intel.com (ssd.intel.com [137.46.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA27539 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from boat.SSD.intel.com (ark.ssd.intel.com) by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25682; Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:36:29 PST Received: by boat.SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21791; Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:36:20 PST Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:36:20 PST From: Mike Northam Message-Id: <9601292236.AA21791@boat.SSD.intel.com> To: ricardo@americasnet.com Cc: ktaylor@resdata.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: RE: Newbie question In-Reply-To: References: <9601291011.AA13918@resdata.com> X-Attribution: mbn Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> In article , Ricardo Kleemann writes: Ricardo> Now I think everything's in place. When sending a subscribe Ricardo> request to my test list, I got back a "BOUNCE test: Admin Ricardo> request" message. Ricardo> So... what's my next step? ;-) Subscribe requests go to 'majordomo@site.com' not to the list. You send *posts* to testlist@site.com, not admin requests. From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 01:16:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA09522 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from hursley.ibm.com (mersey.hursley.ibm.com [193.129.184.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA02038 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 07:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by hursley.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15468; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:44:42 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:44:42 GMT Message-Id: <9601291544.AA15468@hursley.ibm.com> From: "Sean Davies" Organization: IBM (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (X11; I; AIX 1) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: subscribes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Anyone kow how to suppress the messages to list-owner-approve when people successfully subscribe to one of my mailing lists ? I have about 2000 people appending to my lists at present which results in 2000 notes telling me that someone has subscribed but I need take no action !! -- Sean Davies Workstation and Network Support +-----------------------------------+ IBM UK Laboratories Ltd. | VNET: sean@hursley | Hursley Park, | Internet: sean@hursley.ibm.com | Winchester, Hants, +-----------------------------------+ England SO21 2JN Internal: 7-248974 International: +44 962-818974 From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 01:18:46 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA09567 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.rcs.tc.faa.gov (honir.rcs.tc.faa.gov [155.178.248.25]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA04495 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by odin.rcs.tc.faa.gov (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com id LAA13124; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:30:57 -0500 Reply-To: adkins@odin.rcs.tc.faa.gov From: "adkins" Message-Id: <9601291130.ZM13122@honir.rcs.tc.faa.gov> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:30:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Additional Info Req for new subscribers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is it possible in the normal subscription command to the list, that is, where the user just types Subscribe on the first line - to have the individual provide a short bio describing themselves, their organization etc. Would any text following the subscription command line be ignored by the majordomo computer? It would be nice to have this feature, because one can not always tell via the e-mail address who the individual or organization is. -- +------------------------------------------------+----------------------+ | Alfred L. Adkins Jr. email: adkins@rcs.tc.faa.gov phone:609-485-4949 | | ACT-350, Human Factors Lab, Bldg 28 | | FAA TECHNICAL CENTER, Atlantic City Airport, NJ 08405 | +------------------------------------------------+----------------------+ From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 01:21:15 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id BAA09833 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:02:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id WAA00225 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from tristero.io.com (tristero.io.com [199.170.88.11]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id AAA06036 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:36:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from dialup-100.austin.io.com (dialup-85.austin.io.com [199.170.89.123]) by tristero.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA29446 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:36:39 -0600 Received: by dialup-100.austin.io.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAEEAB.023BC600@dialup-100.austin.io.com>; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:36:35 -0600 Message-ID: <01BAEEAB.023BC600@dialup-100.austin.io.com> From: Earl Cooley III To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: listed multiple times, how to clean up? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:36:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I get the following error message when I try to unsubscribe from a list that (for whatever reason) has me listed multiple times with the same e-mail address. >>>> unsubscribe alamo-apa shiva@io.com **** unsubscribe: 'shiva@io.com' matches multiple list members. **** FAILED. How does one resolve this problem? I'd like to be able to clean up my lists that have this situation. -- \ | Earl Cooley III * shiva@io.com * | / \| Online Liaison, the 55th Worldcon: LoneStarCon 2, Aug 28-Sep 1, 1997 |/ /| Online Liaison, the 49th WesterCon: ConDiablo, July 4-7, 1996 |\ / | The Virtual SMOF-BBS: | \ From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 05:54:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id FAA21846 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 05:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA21841 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 05:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA12590; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:40:17 -0500 Received: from router.paladin.com(199.3.129.207) by bifrost.paladin.com via smap (V1.3) id sma012588; Tue Jan 30 08:40:16 1996 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:40:16 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: Ismail Ali cc: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Subject: Re: re : newbie quiestion In-Reply-To: <199601300348.LAA07137@gandalf.asiapac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jan 1970, Ismail Ali wrote: > Isn't that W_UID and W_GID are supposed to be user and group majordomo ? user and group majordom, or whatever you told it, as long as there are a valid user and group with that name. > Anyway, I tried your solution but it still doesn't solve my problem. I still > got this error ... Is the entire directory structure /usr/local/pkg/majordomo-1.93 owned, readable, writable by the uid/gid that is your majordom uid? IOW, the directory itself and all other directories and executable scripts underneath it should be chown majordom.majordom, chmod 755. All non-executable files (data files, not scripts) should be either 664 or 644. wrapper should be owned root.majordom, chmod 4755 (setuid). Well, actually, that last part depends on your platform... the above is for a POSIX-ish installation. While you're at it, edit /etc/passwd and make that directory ~majordom. There is no reason that I can think of why that should not be majordom's home directory. Of course, you might have your own valid reasons... Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 07:44:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA26490 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:36:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA26485 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id IAA07565 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:35:07 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 30 Jan 1996 08:35:38 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: Additional Info Req for To: "majordomo-users" Cc: adkins@odin.rcs.tc.faa.gov X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>Additional Info Req for new subscribers? From: adkins@odin.rcs.tc.faa.gov Is it possible in the normal subscription command to the list, that is, where the user just types Subscribe on the first line - to have the individual provide a short bio describing themselves, their organization etc. Would any text following the subscription command line be ignored by the majordomo computer? It would be nice to have this feature, because one can not always tell via the e-mail address who the individual or organization is. Alfred, change "strip=yes" to "strip=no" in the list config file. Anything after the subscribe listname will be passed to your subscriber list. (e-mail address not needed - Majordomo gets that from the From: in the RFC header) You may only have about 80 characters of space, including the e-mail address. A few of our lists are strip=no, so the person's real name appears after their address. We haven't used this feature for short stories, though. From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 07:53:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA26872 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:42:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA26867 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id IAA08394 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:41:08 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 30 Jan 1996 08:42:31 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: Blocking an unwanted ad To: "majordomo-users" Cc: "Daniel Chany" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>>Blocking an unwanted address From: Daniel Chany I have just created a mailing list, and would like to know how to restrict posting to those who are members of the list. I have tried using a closed subscription policy but that apparently doesn't prevent anyone not on the list to send to it. THere is a restrict_post option but I do not know how to use it. Thanks, Dan Dan, create a file in the same directory as your lists, copy only the subscribers you want to have post ability to it, and set restrict_post to that file. From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 08:23:59 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA28133 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA28128 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id JAA13479 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:19:23 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 30 Jan 1996 09:20:07 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: List owner approval que To: "majordomo-users" Cc: "DICK FEDDER" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>>List owner approval question From: DICK FEDDER Here's the latest on my testing. No matter what I do I cannot send a message with an "Approved:" line from Lotus cc:Mail to a moderated list; When the list owner receives a post from a list member, then sends it to the list, approved, it doesn't always work properly Dick, since some e-mail apps won't let you insert lines in the header, we've found the easiest way to send the approved: is to put it in the message's text area, as the first line. Majordomo still strips it off just fine, so no one discovers your passwd. Example: approved: The message from person "a" to person "b" starts here. This can be done by either cut-and-pasting only the text of the original message (sans headers) or forwarding with changes - adding the approved line. From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 11:16:47 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA07504 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hursley.ibm.com (mersey.hursley.ibm.com [193.129.184.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA07499 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by hursley.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA58866; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:06:05 GMT Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:06:05 GMT Message-Id: <9601301906.AA58866@hursley.ibm.com> From: "Sean Davies" Organization: IBM (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (X11; I; AIX 1) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: Sendmail Timeouts... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The sendmail timeout for greeting wait is hard coded to 5 minutes ( except V8 ). If you have 2225 people on a mailing list ( Like I have ) with 60 people on the list with non-responsive sendmail daemons, then it would take over 5 hours for the last person on the list to be delivered to... WOW Guess I'll have to upgrade to V8. -- Sean Davies Workstation and Network Support +-----------------------------------+ IBM UK Laboratories Ltd. | VNET: sean@hursley | Hursley Park, | Internet: sean@hursley.ibm.com | Winchester, Hants, +-----------------------------------+ England SO21 2JN Internal: 7-248974 International: +44 962-818974 From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 14:36:11 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA17370 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from gcap.winternet.com (gcap.winternet.com [199.199.125.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA17352 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from greg@localhost) by gcap.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA00213; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:07:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:07:50 -0600 (CST) From: Greg Blakely To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: My only SERIOUS majordomo problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="PAA00178.823039100/gcap.winternet.com" Content-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --PAA00178.823039100/gcap.winternet.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: I have noticed with interest as some of the messages today mentioned some of the very same problems I am having, namely the "out-of-memory" error that shows up attached to this message. Thanks to the person who suggested running "top", because I find that it is user "bin" that is running the "/.../wrapper majordomo" program. I have watched as my RAM and swapfile area go down to zero, and then recover. Since it was user "bin" that was running that program, I experimented and did a "chown bin.majordom wrapper" and also added "bin" in the /etc/group file to the end of the "majordom" group. None of this helped. I STILL get the message below. Any ideas? (BTW, all directories are owned by majordom, all chmod to 755, and all scripts and executables are 755; all else are 644.) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:58:20 -0600 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: greg@gcap.winternet.com Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 The original message was received at Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:57:12 -0600 from apollo.gcap.winternet.com [204.246.109.3] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list Out of memory! 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Original message follows ----- --PAA00178.823039100/gcap.winternet.com Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Return-Path: kb0tdf@kb0tdf-uhf.ampr.org Received: from kb0tdf-uhf.ampr.org (apollo.gcap.winternet.com [204.246.109.3]) by gcap.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00177 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:57:12 -0600 X-BBS-Msg-Type: P Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 15:57:04 -0600 Message-Id: <1650@kb0tdf-uhf.ampr.org> From: kb0tdf@kb0tdf-uhf.ampr.org (Greg Blakely) To: majordomo@gcap.winternet.com Subject: lists Message-Id: 1650_kb0tdf-uhf From: kb0tdf@kb0tdf.#msp.mn.usa.noam (Greg Blakely) To: majordomo@gcap.winternet.com lists end ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ amprnet: kb0tdf@kb0tdf-uhf.ampr.org internet: greg.blakely@mnwg.cap.gov packet: KB0TDF@KZ7I.#MSP.MN.USA.NOAM cap packet: MN0355@MN0042.MNWG.NCR.CAP.GOV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --PAA00178.823039100/gcap.winternet.com-- From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 15:56:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA24093 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from wiggin.uniserve.com ([204.191.198.33]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA24055 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:39:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from wiggin (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wiggin.uniserve.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00536; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:36:22 -0800 Message-ID: <310EAB74.44AA1C7A@uniserve.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:36:20 -0800 From: Scott Goodman Organization: UNIServe Online X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Blakely CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: My only SERIOUS majordomo problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greg Blakely wrote: > > I have noticed with interest as some of the messages today mentioned some > of the very same problems I am having, namely the "out-of-memory" error > that shows up attached to this message. Thanks to the person who > suggested running "top", because I find that it is user "bin" that is > running the "/.../wrapper majordomo" program. I have watched as my RAM and > swapfile area go down to zero, and then recover. This happened to me also, except my machine failed to recover after majordomo chewed up all available ram. The problem was my failure to set W_UID and W_GID in the Makefile to the user id and group of my majordomo owner and group owner. I believe this is set to "54" fresh out of the tar file. Scott -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Scott Goodman http://www.uniserve.com/ UNIServe Online Main # (604) 856-6281 WWW Division WWW # (604) 682-7232 =-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= UNIServe WWW Support Mailing List uniweb-users@ender.uniserve.com From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 18:24:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA06907 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA06895 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA05189; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:21:10 -0500 Received: from router.paladin.com(199.3.129.207) by bifrost.paladin.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005187; Tue Jan 30 21:20:43 1996 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:20:42 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: Greg Blakely cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: My only SERIOUS majordomo problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Greg Blakely wrote: > I have noticed with interest as some of the messages today mentioned some > of the very same problems I am having, namely the "out-of-memory" error > that shows up attached to this message. Thanks to the person who > suggested running "top", because I find that it is user "bin" that is > running the "/.../wrapper majordomo" program. I have watched as my RAM and You need to edit the Makefile and set W_USER and W_GROUP to the uid and gid of your majordomo user (likely majordom). Wrapper should not be running as user `bin'. It should run as the majordom user, setuid root. Of course, uncomment/comment the appropriate sections of the Makefile, depending upon whether you're running a POSIX system (a la linux) or a BSD-ish system (a la SunOS or BSDI). Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 20:38:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA11776 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.queernet.org [140.174.78.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA11769 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:35:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from attitude.queernet.org by queernet.queernet.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0thUFA-000D4UC; Tue, 30 Jan 96 20:34 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960131043202.015c3b4c@queernet.org> X-Sender: rogerk@queernet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:32:02 -0800 To: Chris Woods From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Subject: Re: My only SERIOUS majordomo problem Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 09:20 PM 1/30/96 -0500, you wrote: >Of course, uncomment/comment the appropriate sections of the Makefile, >depending upon whether you're running a POSIX system (a la linux) or a >BSD-ish system (a la SunOS or BSDI). BSD/OS (and BSD/386 before it) is a POSIX system, and "wrapper" should be built with the POSIX Makefile options for it. The non-POSIX options are used for SunOS 4.x, as well as other 4.2BSD/4.3BSD derived systems. --- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 20:53:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA12254 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:46:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from gcap.winternet.com (gcap.winternet.com [199.199.125.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA12242 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from greg@localhost) by gcap.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA00560; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 22:44:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 22:44:21 -0600 (CST) From: Greg Blakely To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Thanks! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I don't know exactly what cured it, because I took EVERYONES' suggestions and did them all at once, but it turned out well. Majordomo is going without eating all my RAM and swap space. Heck of a deal... Now, I'll probably explore some of the more exotic aspects of managing mailing lists. (Can't leave well enough alone!) Thanks to all who helped! -Greg Blakely From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 22:56:02 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id WAA17045 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 22:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ministry.paranoia.com (ministry.paranoia.com [204.145.225.22]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id WAA17038; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 22:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ministry.paranoia.com (localhost.paranoia.com [127.0.0.1]) by ministry.paranoia.com (8.6.11 or so) with ESMTP id AAA01171; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:37:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199601310637.AAA01171@ministry.paranoia.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: verifying a user's subscription address? Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:37:37 -0600 From: Kevin at Paranoia Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Does anyone know whether anyone has added the ability for majordomo to send a verification back to those requesting list subscription if the list requires that? There has been a lot of false subscription harassment going on and this kind of verification is very effective at preventing hassle on everyone's part. I've seen this in another (possibly commercial) mailing list server and it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to implement in majordomo if someone hasn't already. Force the person to reply to a verification email (with a "key" of some sort in the subject to link the reply with the verification attempt) in order to get themselves added to a list with that address. Please cc: any replies to me in email directly at kevintx@ministry.paranoia.com thanks, kevin -- kevintx@paranoia.com | "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies." 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Finger for PGP 2.3 Key | The Server From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 23:00:09 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id WAA17433 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 22:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.gvsu.edu (news.gvsu.edu [148.61.1.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id WAA17427 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 22:42:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from GVSU.EDU by news.gvsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA167990453; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:40:54 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by GVSU.EDU id AA823081162 Wed, 31 Jan 96 01:39:22 EST Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 01:39:22 EST From: fedderd@GVSU.EDU (DICK FEDDER) Message-Id: <9600318230.AA823081162@GVSU.EDU> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re[2]: List owner approval que Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dennis, I am inserting the "Approved:" line in the body of the text. I've just posted another message explaining what I know so far about the cause of the problem. Thanks, Dick ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: List owner approval que Author: "Dennis Black" at Internet Date: 1/30/96 11:37 AM Reply to: RE>>List owner approval question From: DICK FEDDER Here's the latest on my testing. No matter what I do I cannot send a message with an "Approved:" line from Lotus cc:Mail to a moderated list; When the list owner receives a post from a list member, then sends it to the list, approved, it doesn't always work properly Dick, since some e-mail apps won't let you insert lines in the header, we've found the easiest way to send the approved: is to put it in the message's text area, as the first line. Majordomo still strips it off just fine, so no one discovers your passwd. Example: approved: The message from person "a" to person "b" starts here. This can be done by either cut-and-pasting only the text of the original message (sans headers) or forwarding with changes - adding the approved line. From majordomo-users-owner Tue Jan 30 23:05:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id WAA17457 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 22:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.gvsu.edu (news.gvsu.edu [148.61.1.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id WAA17442 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 22:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from GVSU.EDU by news.gvsu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA167950448; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:40:50 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail by GVSU.EDU id AA823081158 Wed, 31 Jan 96 01:39:18 EST Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 01:39:18 EST From: fedderd@GVSU.EDU (DICK FEDDER) Message-Id: <9600318230.AA823081158@GVSU.EDU> To: aspivakovsky@iie.org, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re[3]: List owner approval question Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Ari, Thanks for letting me know about your problem with cc:Mail and Majordomo. Although I haven't done a lot of additional testing I've been able to get "Approved:" messages through cc:Mail the last couple of times I tried, but it does take some experimenting. Here's what I think is happening. cc:Mail for Windows, for some reason or other, converts some of the CR/LFs to right margins when a message is sent. How it decides which ones to convert I have not yet figured out. But as I was looking at one of my failed approvals in the Message Log I noticed that the right margin indicator on the ruler line was at the end of one of the approved message header lines instead of at 75 where I had set it originally; it happened that my cursor was positioned on the "From:" line. When I moved the margin indicator back over to 75 the "To:" line, which followed, moved up onto the same line as the "From:" entry; the CR/LF was missing. So I inserted a CR/LF at the end of the "From:" and saved it as a draft. When I opened the draft back up again the CR/LF was missing from that line and had been replaced with a right margin to force that line to break at that point. With a little experimenting I was able to get a few messages out with real CR/LFs at the end of all the headers. I did this by removing the comment section of the person's address (everything in parenthesis) including the (). Then the CR/LF didn't get replaced for some reason. However, I have noticed that this rather strange conversion can also take place at other than parenthesis. I haven't done enough testing to figure out when, though. Regardless, when there are "real" carriage return/line feeds at the end of each header line my "Approved:" messages have been accepted by Majordomo, otherwise they are not. This definitely does point to cc:Mail for Windows as the culprit, not Majordomo. I'm guessing that Majordomo expects to see the "To:" header in the message body on it's own unique line, and cc:Mail isn't sending it out that way. That's the extent of what I know about this problem right now. Strange, isn't it? Dick ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: List owner approval question Author: aspivakovsky@iie.org at Internet Date: 1/30/96 1:54 PM Dick: I have the same problem. I went as far as to rewrite the approve script, but it still didn't work from ccMail. I use the IMA-SMTP gateway, but I think ccMail is the problem. In the end I had to give the list owners UNIX accounts, and give them PINE as the shell. If you find another solution please let me know, but my advice is don't waste your time. Cheers Ari ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: List owner approval question Author: fedderd@GVSU.EDU (DICK FEDDER) at internet Date: 1/29/96 2:45 PM Here's the latest on my testing. No matter what I do I cannot send a message with an "Approved:" line from Lotus cc:Mail to a moderated list; that's the mail program most of our list owners will be using. More accurately, a message get's posted, but there's nothing in it. I've tried re-arranging the headers, removing some headers, all headers.... nothing works from cc:Mail. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Any suggestions? Thanks again. Dick From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 01:08:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id AAA21114 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from support.centercomp.com (gw.centercomp.com [143.227.0.97]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id AAA21107 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from alsea.cvo.oneworld.com (slip49.cvo.oneworld.com [143.227.1.49]) by support.centercomp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA00934 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:15:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:15:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199601310915.BAA00934@support.centercomp.com> X-Sender: cntrline@support.centercomp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Eric Hake Subject: No longer dazed... Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks for the help -- I decided to completely reinstall it from scratch, and after a little bit of work, it is up and running now just great! Thanks! Eric ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | Centerline Computers | Creators of: HIGHWAY 1.01 | | 1111 NW Circle Blvd. | A User-Friendly Access Package | | Corvallis, OR 97330 | for Windows! 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The non-POSIX options > are used for SunOS 4.x, as well as other 4.2BSD/4.3BSD derived systems. I stand corrected; my apologies. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 06:41:48 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA04310 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from smuggler.bbn.com (SMUGGLER.BBN.COM [128.89.7.132]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA04304; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smuggler.bbn.com (LOCALHOST.BBN.COM [127.0.0.1]) by smuggler.bbn.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA14116; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:35:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199601311435.JAA14116@smuggler.bbn.com> To: Kevin at Paranoia cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: verifying a user's subscription address? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:37:37 CST." <199601310637.AAA01171@ministry.paranoia.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:35:45 -0500 From: "John C. Orthoefer" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk It's there already, sorta. Right now majordomo sends email to the person saying your request has been processed and kicked back to the list owner. This gives them a window to send e-mail the list owner saying, Uhhh I don't want to be on the list. The other argument I'm going to give is how many hoops do you want someone to jump though before they get on the list? Should the be required to send a blood sample to you though SMail? Until we get wide distrubution of Privicy enhanced e-mail it just isn't going to happen. At the moment if you fear that someone is subscribing people who don't want to subscribe. It takes a human to figure it out, just hold the subscriptions till the person says they do infact want to be on the list. johno - From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 06:45:16 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id GAA04131 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from caracas.terraport.net (caracas.terraport.net [205.189.144.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id GAA04126 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from westhill.skl.com (root@link.skl.com [205.233.242.254]) by caracas.terraport.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA02296; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:28:53 -0500 Received: from abacab.skl.com (abacab.skl.com [205.233.242.127]) by westhill.skl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA12330; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:38:38 -0500 Received: by abacab.skl.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAEF59.74665020@abacab.skl.com>; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:25:19 -0500 Message-ID: <01BAEF59.74665020@abacab.skl.com> From: Steve Linn To: "'Greg Blakely'" , "majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM" Subject: RE: My only SERIOUS majordomo problem Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:25:16 -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This sounds like a permission problem. Make sure that the Wrapper program has the "sticky" bit on. (chmod 4775 I think) Steve ---------- From: Greg Blakely[SMTP:greg@gcap.winternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 1996 11:07 AM To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: My only SERIOUS majordomo problem I have noticed with interest as some of the messages today mentioned some of the very same problems I am having, namely the "out-of-memory" error that shows up attached to this message. Thanks to the person who suggested running "top", because I find that it is user "bin" that is running the "/.../wrapper majordomo" program. I have watched as my RAM and swapfile area go down to zero, and then recover. Since it was user "bin" that was running that program, I experimented and did a "chown bin.majordom wrapper" and also added "bin" in the /etc/group file to the end of the "majordom" group. None of this helped. I STILL get the message below. Any ideas? (BTW, all directories are owned by majordom, all chmod to 755, and all scripts and executables are 755; all else are 644.) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:58:20 -0600 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: greg@gcap.winternet.com Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 The original message was received at Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:57:12 -0600 from apollo.gcap.winternet.com [204.246.109.3] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list Out of memory! 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Original message follows ----- <> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Systems Knowledge Link Dealers/Consultants in Computer Software Services Internet Services WWW Pages Remote Services Steve Linn E-Mail: slinn@skl.com http://www.skl.com From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 07:08:22 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id HAA05320 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hursley.ibm.com (mersey.hursley.ibm.com [193.129.184.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA05314 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by hursley.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA66428; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:01:18 GMT Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:01:18 GMT Message-Id: <9601311501.AA66428@hursley.ibm.com> From: "Sean Davies" Organization: IBM (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (X11; I; AIX 1) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: Host Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Im getting unknown host and users messages sent back from Majordomo to the Mailer-Daemon. Unfortunately Majordomo is chopping the most important bit .... the failing user !! Any ideas why this is happening ?? Unfortunately my list is currently at 2300 people which makes it very hard to validate them all. My bounces list doesnt work.. eg > Subject:Majordomo results: Returned mail: Host unknown > Date:Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:34:07 GMT > From:Majordomo@hursley.ibm.com > To:MAILER-DAEMON@klingon.hursley.ibm.com > > -- > > >>>> --- The transcript of the session follows --- > END OF COMMANDS -- Sean Davies Workstation and Network Support +-----------------------------------+ IBM UK Laboratories Ltd. | VNET: sean@hursley | Hursley Park, | Internet: sean@hursley.ibm.com | Winchester, Hants, +-----------------------------------+ England SO21 2JN Internal: 7-248974 International: +44 962-818974 From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 09:23:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id IAA10581 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA10558 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id JAA05311 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:54:51 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 31 Jan 1996 09:56:22 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: My mailing list has sudd To: "majordomo-users" Cc: "Evan Welsh" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>My mailing list has suddenly dried up From: Evan Welsh One of my mailing lists has suddenly stopped getting through to a large number of its recipients. As far as I can make out, nothing has changed in either the majordomo set-up or the mmdf email set-up here and I've received no bounce mail. It may not be relevant but members of another list which doesn't use majordomo, just mmdf) have been complaining about receiving messages twice. Evan, with 184 subscribers on your list, this won't be too harsh... Either edit the subscribers list and visually check for duplicates, (yes, duplicates CAN occur, for some strange reason) or, print the subscribers list and grep -c each address. I experienced this in one list. I saved the subscribers list to a text file, then opened it with an editor on a Windows machine, and found what appeared to be duplicates were prefixed by hidden characters. Could have been tabs, stray CR or LF, I didn't bother investigating; I just wanted the list working again, so I deleted the "bad" duplicates. In this instance where the duplicates appeared, it almost seemed like the file started over, with two or three e-mail addresses from the top of the list. The list has been fine since. Don't know if this will help. Also don't know if this is a Majordomo read/ write problem while rewriting the subscribers list, or our host machine. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 10:08:27 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA12982 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sphinx.labmed.umn.edu (sphinx.labmed.umn.edu [128.101.59.6]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA12976 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sphinx.labmed.umn.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by sphinx.labmed.umn.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17617 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:52:04 -0600 Message-ID: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 -0600 From: Michael Altmann Organization: Univ. of Minnesota X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) References: <199601311735.JAA12216@miles.greatcircle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info and index and such. ------ Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 10:36:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA13717 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA13703 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA24559 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:24:22 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxs16010; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA12982 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sphinx.labmed.umn.edu (sphinx.labmed.umn.edu [128.101.59.6]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA12976 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sphinx.labmed.umn.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by sphinx.labmed.umn.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17617 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:52:04 -0600 Message-ID: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 -0600 From: Michael Altmann Organization: Univ. of Minnesota X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) References: <199601311735.JAA12216@miles.greatcircle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info and index and such. ------ Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 10:36:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA13700 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from quadstone.co.uk (quadstone.quadstone.co.uk [194.80.190.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA13695 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by quadstone.co.uk id aa07009; 31 Jan 96 18:12 GMT Received: from murrayfield.quadstone.co.uk by quadstone.co.uk id aa06957; 31 Jan 96 18:10 GMT Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:07:36 GMT Message-Id: <8218.199601311807@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> To: Dennis Black CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-reply-to: Dennis Black's message of 31 Jan 1996 09:56:22 -0700 Subject: Re: My mailing list has sudd From: Evan Welsh References: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dennis Black responded to Evan Welsh's cry for help: Evan> One of my mailing lists has suddenly stopped getting through to a Evan> large number of its recipients. Evan> As far as I can make out, nothing has changed in either the majordomo Evan> set-up or the mmdf email set-up here and I've received no bounce Evan> mail. It may not be relevant but members of another list which Evan> doesn't use majordomo, just mmdf) have been complaining about Evan> receiving messages twice. Dennis> Either edit the subscribers list and visually check for duplicates, Dennis> (yes, duplicates CAN occur, for some strange reason) or, print the Dennis> subscribers list and grep -c each address. I experienced this in Dennis> one list. [More about strange characters deleted.] Thanks for your response Dennis but I think I must be suffering from a different problem than yourself. I have no duplicates and no dodgy characters lurking in my subscribers list. Can nobody suggest an approach to tracking down this problem? My perl is certainly up to hacking the majordomo source but I'm a bit of a beginner when it comes to mail protocols and the ilk so I'm not sure what I should be looking for. -- ####################################################################### # Evan Welsh Quadstone Ltd # # http://www.quadstone.co.uk/~evan/ +44 (0)131 220 4491 # ####################################################################### From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 10:47:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA14314 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from camlaw.rutgers.edu (camlaw.rutgers.edu [128.6.180.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA14302 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tomryan@localhost) by camlaw.rutgers.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA08439; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:26:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Ryan To: Michael Altmann cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Michael, I know there is a product called Mailserv which will allow for information to be entered in forms, but output is still sent to the email address and not the page. I am working on hacking it so that the output for some commands will sent to a page. Will let the list know if I ever finish the program. Tom On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Michael Altmann wrote: > This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a > way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a > WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page > with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info > and index and such. > > ------ > Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 11:24:13 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15468 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15463 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24705 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:21:52 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxw25080; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA14314 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from camlaw.rutgers.edu (camlaw.rutgers.edu [128.6.180.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA14302 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tomryan@localhost) by camlaw.rutgers.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA08439; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:26:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Ryan To: Michael Altmann cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Michael, I know there is a product called Mailserv which will allow for information to be entered in forms, but output is still sent to the email address and not the page. I am working on hacking it so that the output for some commands will sent to a page. Will let the list know if I ever finish the program. Tom On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Michael Altmann wrote: > This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a > way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a > WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page > with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info > and index and such. > > ------ > Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 11:38:29 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15545 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15540 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24727 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:26:04 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxx25770; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA13717 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA13703 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA24559 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:24:22 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxs16010; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA12982 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sphinx.labmed.umn.edu (sphinx.labmed.umn.edu [128.101.59.6]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA12976 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sphinx.labmed.umn.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by sphinx.labmed.umn.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17617 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:52:04 -0600 Message-ID: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 -0600 From: Michael Altmann Organization: Univ. of Minnesota X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) References: <199601311735.JAA12216@miles.greatcircle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info and index and such. ------ Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 11:42:59 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15756 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from keeper.mmltd.com (keeper.mmltd.com [204.187.104.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15738 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mml1.mmltd.com by keeper.mmltd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18582; Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:28:01 EST Received: from rich.mmltd.com by mml1.mmltd.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0thiBN-0004vLC; Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:27 EST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:27 EST X-Sender: rsteadma@mml1.mmltd.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Richard Steadman Subject: Duplicate messages & rejected mail Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We have had Majordomo running for several months on a Sparc 20 Solaris 2.4, using sendmail. For the most part things have gone smoothly, but we have been having two recurring problems. 1. Once in a while, majordomo sends out two copies of the same message several days apart. The messages have the exact same ID numbers, and all other particulars in the header are identical, except for the date which majordomo sent it out. 2. There are a few addresses which never get their mail, although they have valid e-mail addresses, and can be sent to normally. Here are a couple of the common error messages: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- <<< RCPT To: <<< DATA mr_talker: OK, MRIF Service V0.2 554 ... Internal error ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to physics.utoronto.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 bchu@physics.utoronto.ca... Service unavailable Connected to astro.utoronto.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 astlibr@astro.utoronto.ca... Service unavailable Connected to library.uwaterloo.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 jcooper@library.uwaterloo.ca... Service unavailable Connected to bnr.ca: >>> DATA <<< 554 No date field given 554 daze@bnr.ca... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- If anyone knows why these things might be happening, a reply would be greatly appreciated. Richard Steadman Micromedia Limited Internet Programmer/Developer 20 Victoria Street, Toronto, ON Canada M5C 2N8 (416)-362-5211 ext. 2517 Fax: (416)-362-6161 rsteadma@micromedia.on.ca Richard Steadman Micromedia Limited Internet Programmer/Developer 20 Victoria Street, Toronto, ON Canada M5C 2N8 (416)-362-5211 ext. 2517 Fax: (416)-362-6161 rsteadma@micromedia.on.ca From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 11:46:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15629 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15624 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24739 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:29:41 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxx26366; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA13700 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from quadstone.co.uk (quadstone.quadstone.co.uk [194.80.190.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA13695 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by quadstone.co.uk id aa07009; 31 Jan 96 18:12 GMT Received: from murrayfield.quadstone.co.uk by quadstone.co.uk id aa06957; 31 Jan 96 18:10 GMT Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:07:36 GMT Message-Id: <8218.199601311807@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> To: Dennis Black CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: Dennis Black's message of 31 Jan 1996 09:56:22 -0700 Subject: Re: My mailing list has sudd From: Evan Welsh References: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dennis Black responded to Evan Welsh's cry for help: Evan> One of my mailing lists has suddenly stopped getting through to a Evan> large number of its recipients. Evan> As far as I can make out, nothing has changed in either the majordomo Evan> set-up or the mmdf email set-up here and I've received no bounce Evan> mail. It may not be relevant but members of another list which Evan> doesn't use majordomo, just mmdf) have been complaining about Evan> receiving messages twice. Dennis> Either edit the subscribers list and visually check for duplicates, Dennis> (yes, duplicates CAN occur, for some strange reason) or, print the Dennis> subscribers list and grep -c each address. I experienced this in Dennis> one list. [More about strange characters deleted.] Thanks for your response Dennis but I think I must be suffering from a different problem than yourself. I have no duplicates and no dodgy characters lurking in my subscribers list. Can nobody suggest an approach to tracking down this problem? My perl is certainly up to hacking the majordomo source but I'm a bit of a beginner when it comes to mail protocols and the ilk so I'm not sure what I should be looking for. -- ####################################################################### # Evan Welsh Quadstone Ltd # # http://www.quadstone.co.uk/~evan/ +44 (0)131 220 4491 # ####################################################################### From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 12:04:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16323 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from spitfire.cs.utah.edu (spitfire.cs.utah.edu [155.99.208.57]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16318 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by spitfire.cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/) id OAA23500; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:44:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:44:40 -0500 From: Mark J Bradakis Message-Id: <199601311944.OAA23500@spitfire.cs.utah.edu> To: michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu CC: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> (message from Michael Altmann on Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 -0600) Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Go to http://www.team.net/mjb/mjb.html and click on the LWGate icon. This may be something along the lines of what you want. mjb. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 12:11:28 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16471 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcusa01.ecunet.org (pcusa01.ecunet.org [198.70.54.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16464 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcusa01.ecunet.org id ae11604; 31 Jan 96 14:29 EST Subject: permissions To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: Merrill Cook X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601311400.aa21999@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From Greg Blakely: > > I don't know exactly what cured it, because I took EVERYONES' suggestions > and did them all at once, but it turned out well. Majordomo is going > without eating all my RAM and swap space. When I had a problem with permissions, I was able to figure out that Majordomo was trying to lock a file, which was failing because of permissions, but it was retrying in a loop which also gradually used up all system resources. Sure would be nice if the system sent E-mail saying that there was an access problem, rather than just retrying forever. -- Regards, Merrill Cook Louisville KY mcook@pcusa.org or MERRILL COOK on Ecunet/PresbyNet http://www.pcusa.org/pcusa.html -+- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 12:23:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16456 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcusa01.ecunet.org (pcusa01.ecunet.org [198.70.54.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16447 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcusa01.ecunet.org id ab11604; 31 Jan 96 14:28 EST Subject: Re: Re[3]: List owner approval question To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: Merrill Cook In-Reply-To: <9600318230.AA823081158@GVSU.EDU> from "DICK FEDDER" at Jan 31, 96 01:39:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601311342.aa11545@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From DICK FEDDER: > > Thanks for letting me know about your problem with cc:Mail and > Majordomo. Although I haven't done a lot of additional testing I've > been able to get "Approved:" messages through cc:Mail the last couple > of times I tried, but it does take some experimenting. Here's what I > think is happening. Would ccMail leave it with a proper cr/lf if the Approved is on a line by itself (with a blank line above and below)? Does Majordomo care? Or does the rest of the header need to be set up this way too? How about if each line of the header starts with a space? Some programs look for "whitespace", and if they don't see it, assume they are looking at a paragraph, which they can reformat at will. If the line begins with a space (or tab) or is preceded by a blank line, it is not considered a paragraph with the lines above it... If Majordomo requires the To: and other header fiealds to be at the very left hand edge, ccMail users will have a problem, because ccMail puts blank space in the =output= note, to make a pseudo margin around the formatted text. (Note the six spaces at the beginning of each line in the section above.) Any easy way to get it to stop doing that? My guess is that you have two things to keep in mind: how cc:Mail reformats the text on your screen to put it into the internet mail format; and what impact that formatted text (with whitespace on the left) does to Majordomo. -- Regards, Merrill Cook Louisville KY mcook@pcusa.org or MERRILL COOK on Ecunet/PresbyNet http://www.pcusa.org/pcusa.html -+- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 12:40:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17434 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17429 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06552; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:18:22 -0500 Received: from router.paladin.com(199.3.129.207) by bifrost.paladin.com via smap (V1.3) id sma006550; Wed Jan 31 15:18:03 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:17:58 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: Richard Steadman cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Duplicate messages & rejected mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Richard Steadman wrote: > 1. Once in a while, majordomo sends out two copies of the same > message several days apart. The messages have the exact same > ID numbers, and all other particulars in the header are identical, > except for the date which majordomo sent it out. If the messages have the same message-ID's, thenit is not majordomo causing the problem, but sendmail. Majordomo does not generate the Message-ID; your MTA does. If they have the same message-ID, that means they are actually the same message, and therefore was only sent once by majordomo, and for some reason, processed twice by sendmail. > 2. There are a few addresses which never get their mail, although > they have valid e-mail addresses, and can be sent to normally. Here > are a couple of the common error messages: Again, this looks like sendmail is the culprit. Majordomo itself does not talk to the ports on the remote machines; your MTA does. In the error messages you sampled here, are the addresses inside the "Rcpt to" command valid? If not, it is possible majordomo is munging the address before it is even handed to your MTA. Unfortunately, I don't have any insight as to why sendmail is causing these problems, but at least you can look at sendmail instead of majordomo. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 12:45:48 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17833 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from PEAK.ORG (PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.17]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17825 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from trillium.PEAK.ORG (trillium.PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.2]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id MAA21121; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:28:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199601312028.MAA21121@PEAK.ORG> X-Authentication-Warning: PEAK.ORG: Host trillium.PEAK.ORG didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Altmann Cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 CST. <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:23:56 -0800 From: (John Sechrest) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -------- We have a cgi-bin script to do this work. Look at http://www.peak.org/k12/k12.mailling.lists.html It uses a script to send the right mail... Michael Altmann writes: % This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a % way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a % WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page % with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info % and index and such. % % ------ % Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu ----- John Sechrest . Helping people use Executive Director . computers and Internet Computer Science Outreach . more effectively Room 8 Hovland Hall . Oregon State University . Internet: sechrest@cs.orst.edu Corvallis Oregon 97331 . (503) 737-5562 . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 12:49:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17861 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17856; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgihub.corp.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id MAA08963; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:29:48 -0800 Received: from lunch.engr.sgi.com by sgihub.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id KAA24327; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:57:12 -0800 Received: by lunch.engr.sgi.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) id KAA09315; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:57:02 -0800 From: pdc@lunch.engr.sgi.com (Paul Close) Message-Id: <199601311857.KAA09315@lunch.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: verifying a user's subscription address? To: kevintx@ministry.paranoia.com (Kevin at Paranoia) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:56:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com, kevintx@ministry.paranoia.com In-Reply-To: <199601310637.AAA01171@ministry.paranoia.com> from "Kevin at Paranoia" at Jan 31, 1996 12:37:37 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a8s] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know whether anyone has added the ability for majordomo > to send a verification back to those requesting list subscription if > the list requires that? There has been a lot of false subscription > harassment going on and this kind of verification is very effective > at preventing hassle on everyone's part. As someone already pointed out, majordomo does send out a "welcome" message that acts as a confirmation. It doesn't stop the problem, but it does alert the "victim" after the fact. Of course by then it is often painfully obvious, as the mail pours in.... > I've seen this in another (possibly commercial) mailing list server > and it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to implement in majordomo if > someone hasn't already. Force the person to reply to a verification > email (with a "key" of some sort in the subject to link the reply with > the verification attempt) in order to get themselves added to a list > with that address. Joe Pruett recently announced a patch to do just that on the majordomo workers list. I'm sure he would send you the patch.... His work was intended to solve the "forged subscribe" problem (as opposed to the larger PGP-style authentication issue). > kevintx@paranoia.com | "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies." > (System Administrator) | Paranoia offers low cost accounts to those in need. > Finger for PGP 2.3 Key | The Server "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they *aren't* out to get you" :-) -- Paul Close pdc@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/employees/pdc_engr No fate but what we make From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 12:54:07 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16268 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16263 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24831 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:51:53 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxy00181; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15545 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15540 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24727 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:26:04 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxx25770; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA13717 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA13703 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA24559 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:24:22 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxs16010; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id JAA12982 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sphinx.labmed.umn.edu (sphinx.labmed.umn.edu [128.101.59.6]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA12976 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sphinx.labmed.umn.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by sphinx.labmed.umn.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17617 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:52:04 -0600 Message-ID: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 -0600 From: Michael Altmann Organization: Univ. of Minnesota X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) References: <199601311735.JAA12216@miles.greatcircle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info and index and such. ------ Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 12:56:42 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16351 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16346 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24846 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:55:53 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxz00888; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15756 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from keeper.mmltd.com (keeper.mmltd.com [204.187.104.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15738 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mml1.mmltd.com by keeper.mmltd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18582; Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:28:01 EST Received: from rich.mmltd.com by mml1.mmltd.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0thiBN-0004vLC; Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:27 EST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:27 EST X-Sender: rsteadma@mml1.mmltd.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Richard Steadman Subject: Duplicate messages & rejected mail Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We have had Majordomo running for several months on a Sparc 20 Solaris 2.4, using sendmail. For the most part things have gone smoothly, but we have been having two recurring problems. 1. Once in a while, majordomo sends out two copies of the same message several days apart. The messages have the exact same ID numbers, and all other particulars in the header are identical, except for the date which majordomo sent it out. 2. There are a few addresses which never get their mail, although they have valid e-mail addresses, and can be sent to normally. Here are a couple of the common error messages: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- <<< RCPT To: <<< DATA mr_talker: OK, MRIF Service V0.2 554 ... Internal error ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to physics.utoronto.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 bchu@physics.utoronto.ca... Service unavailable Connected to astro.utoronto.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 astlibr@astro.utoronto.ca... Service unavailable Connected to library.uwaterloo.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 jcooper@library.uwaterloo.ca... Service unavailable Connected to bnr.ca: >>> DATA <<< 554 No date field given 554 daze@bnr.ca... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- If anyone knows why these things might be happening, a reply would be greatly appreciated. Richard Steadman Micromedia Limited Internet Programmer/Developer 20 Victoria Street, Toronto, ON Canada M5C 2N8 (416)-362-5211 ext. 2517 Fax: (416)-362-6161 rsteadma@micromedia.on.ca Richard Steadman Micromedia Limited Internet Programmer/Developer 20 Victoria Street, Toronto, ON Canada M5C 2N8 (416)-362-5211 ext. 2517 Fax: (416)-362-6161 rsteadma@micromedia.on.ca From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 12:58:47 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16495 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16489 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA24873 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:02:10 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxz01607; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15629 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15624 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24739 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:29:41 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxx26366; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA13700 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from quadstone.co.uk (quadstone.quadstone.co.uk [194.80.190.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA13695 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by quadstone.co.uk id aa07009; 31 Jan 96 18:12 GMT Received: from murrayfield.quadstone.co.uk by quadstone.co.uk id aa06957; 31 Jan 96 18:10 GMT Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:07:36 GMT Message-Id: <8218.199601311807@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> To: Dennis Black CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: Dennis Black's message of 31 Jan 1996 09:56:22 -0700 Subject: Re: My mailing list has sudd From: Evan Welsh References: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dennis Black responded to Evan Welsh's cry for help: Evan> One of my mailing lists has suddenly stopped getting through to a Evan> large number of its recipients. Evan> As far as I can make out, nothing has changed in either the majordomo Evan> set-up or the mmdf email set-up here and I've received no bounce Evan> mail. It may not be relevant but members of another list which Evan> doesn't use majordomo, just mmdf) have been complaining about Evan> receiving messages twice. Dennis> Either edit the subscribers list and visually check for duplicates, Dennis> (yes, duplicates CAN occur, for some strange reason) or, print the Dennis> subscribers list and grep -c each address. I experienced this in Dennis> one list. [More about strange characters deleted.] Thanks for your response Dennis but I think I must be suffering from a different problem than yourself. I have no duplicates and no dodgy characters lurking in my subscribers list. Can nobody suggest an approach to tracking down this problem? My perl is certainly up to hacking the majordomo source but I'm a bit of a beginner when it comes to mail protocols and the ilk so I'm not sure what I should be looking for. -- ####################################################################### # Evan Welsh Quadstone Ltd # # http://www.quadstone.co.uk/~evan/ +44 (0)131 220 4491 # ####################################################################### From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 13:12:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA18887 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA18882 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25137 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:59:04 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayd02090; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17833 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from PEAK.ORG (PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.17]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17825 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from trillium.PEAK.ORG (trillium.PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.2]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id MAA21121; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:28:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199601312028.MAA21121@PEAK.ORG> X-Authentication-Warning: PEAK.ORG: Host trillium.PEAK.ORG didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Altmann Cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 CST. <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:23:56 -0800 From: (John Sechrest) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -------- We have a cgi-bin script to do this work. Look at http://www.peak.org/k12/k12.mailling.lists.html It uses a script to send the right mail... Michael Altmann writes: % This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a % way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a % WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page % with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info % and index and such. % % ------ % Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu ----- John Sechrest . Helping people use Executive Director . computers and Internet Computer Science Outreach . more effectively Room 8 Hovland Hall . Oregon State University . Internet: sechrest@cs.orst.edu Corvallis Oregon 97331 . (503) 737-5562 . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 13:17:29 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA18769 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA18764 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25127 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:56:25 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayc02893; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15468 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15463 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24705 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:21:52 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxw25080; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA14314 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from camlaw.rutgers.edu (camlaw.rutgers.edu [128.6.180.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA14302 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tomryan@localhost) by camlaw.rutgers.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA08439; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:26:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Ryan To: Michael Altmann cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Michael, I know there is a product called Mailserv which will allow for information to be entered in forms, but output is still sent to the email address and not the page. I am working on hacking it so that the output for some commands will sent to a page. Will let the list know if I ever finish the program. Tom On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Michael Altmann wrote: > This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a > way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a > WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page > with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info > and index and such. > > ------ > Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 13:22:17 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA18512 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:44:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA18479 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25114 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:52:32 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayc09402; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16456 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcusa01.ecunet.org (pcusa01.ecunet.org [198.70.54.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16447 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcusa01.ecunet.org id ab11604; 31 Jan 96 14:28 EST Subject: Re: Re[3]: List owner approval question To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: Merrill Cook In-Reply-To: <9600318230.AA823081158@GVSU.EDU> from "DICK FEDDER" at Jan 31, 96 01:39:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601311342.aa11545@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From DICK FEDDER: > > Thanks for letting me know about your problem with cc:Mail and > Majordomo. Although I haven't done a lot of additional testing I've > been able to get "Approved:" messages through cc:Mail the last couple > of times I tried, but it does take some experimenting. Here's what I > think is happening. Would ccMail leave it with a proper cr/lf if the Approved is on a line by itself (with a blank line above and below)? Does Majordomo care? Or does the rest of the header need to be set up this way too? How about if each line of the header starts with a space? Some programs look for "whitespace", and if they don't see it, assume they are looking at a paragraph, which they can reformat at will. If the line begins with a space (or tab) or is preceded by a blank line, it is not considered a paragraph with the lines above it... If Majordomo requires the To: and other header fiealds to be at the very left hand edge, ccMail users will have a problem, because ccMail puts blank space in the =output= note, to make a pseudo margin around the formatted text. (Note the six spaces at the beginning of each line in the section above.) Any easy way to get it to stop doing that? My guess is that you have two things to keep in mind: how cc:Mail reformats the text on your screen to put it into the internet mail format; and what impact that formatted text (with whitespace on the left) does to Majordomo. -- Regards, Merrill Cook Louisville KY mcook@pcusa.org or MERRILL COOK on Ecunet/PresbyNet http://www.pcusa.org/pcusa.html -+- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 13:23:43 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA19395 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA19390 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25172 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:05:32 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayd11441; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17434 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17429 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06552; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:18:22 -0500 Received: from router.paladin.com(199.3.129.207) by bifrost.paladin.com via smap (V1.3) id sma006550; Wed Jan 31 15:18:03 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:17:58 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: Richard Steadman cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Duplicate messages & rejected mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Richard Steadman wrote: > 1. Once in a while, majordomo sends out two copies of the same > message several days apart. The messages have the exact same > ID numbers, and all other particulars in the header are identical, > except for the date which majordomo sent it out. If the messages have the same message-ID's, thenit is not majordomo causing the problem, but sendmail. Majordomo does not generate the Message-ID; your MTA does. If they have the same message-ID, that means they are actually the same message, and therefore was only sent once by majordomo, and for some reason, processed twice by sendmail. > 2. There are a few addresses which never get their mail, although > they have valid e-mail addresses, and can be sent to normally. Here > are a couple of the common error messages: Again, this looks like sendmail is the culprit. Majordomo itself does not talk to the ports on the remote machines; your MTA does. In the error messages you sampled here, are the addresses inside the "Rcpt to" command valid? If not, it is possible majordomo is munging the address before it is even handed to your MTA. Unfortunately, I don't have any insight as to why sendmail is causing these problems, but at least you can look at sendmail instead of majordomo. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 13:27:01 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA19351 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA19317; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25162 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:04:31 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayd02672; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17861 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17856; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgihub.corp.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id MAA08963; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:29:48 -0800 Received: from lunch.engr.sgi.com by sgihub.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id KAA24327; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:57:12 -0800 Received: by lunch.engr.sgi.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) id KAA09315; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:57:02 -0800 From: pdc@lunch.engr.sgi.com (Paul Close) Message-Id: <199601311857.KAA09315@lunch.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: verifying a user's subscription address? To: kevintx@ministry.paranoia.com (Kevin at Paranoia) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:56:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM, kevintx@ministry.paranoia.com In-Reply-To: <199601310637.AAA01171@ministry.paranoia.com> from "Kevin at Paranoia" at Jan 31, 1996 12:37:37 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a8s] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know whether anyone has added the ability for majordomo > to send a verification back to those requesting list subscription if > the list requires that? There has been a lot of false subscription > harassment going on and this kind of verification is very effective > at preventing hassle on everyone's part. As someone already pointed out, majordomo does send out a "welcome" message that acts as a confirmation. It doesn't stop the problem, but it does alert the "victim" after the fact. Of course by then it is often painfully obvious, as the mail pours in.... > I've seen this in another (possibly commercial) mailing list server > and it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to implement in majordomo if > someone hasn't already. Force the person to reply to a verification > email (with a "key" of some sort in the subject to link the reply with > the verification attempt) in order to get themselves added to a list > with that address. Joe Pruett recently announced a patch to do just that on the majordomo workers list. I'm sure he would send you the patch.... His work was intended to solve the "forged subscribe" problem (as opposed to the larger PGP-style authentication issue). > kevintx@paranoia.com | "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies." > (System Administrator) | Paranoia offers low cost accounts to those in need. > Finger for PGP 2.3 Key | The Server "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they *aren't* out to get you" :-) -- Paul Close pdc@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/employees/pdc_engr No fate but what we make From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 13:27:15 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA20996 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA20990 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25259 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:26:17 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf15932; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA18887 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA18882 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25137 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:59:04 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayd02090; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17833 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from PEAK.ORG (PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.17]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17825 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from trillium.PEAK.ORG (trillium.PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.2]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id MAA21121; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:28:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199601312028.MAA21121@PEAK.ORG> X-Authentication-Warning: PEAK.ORG: Host trillium.PEAK.ORG didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Altmann Cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 CST. <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:23:56 -0800 From: (John Sechrest) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -------- We have a cgi-bin script to do this work. Look at http://www.peak.org/k12/k12.mailling.lists.html It uses a script to send the right mail... Michael Altmann writes: % This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a % way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a % WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page % with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info % and index and such. % % ------ % Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu ----- John Sechrest . Helping people use Executive Director . computers and Internet Computer Science Outreach . more effectively Room 8 Hovland Hall . Oregon State University . Internet: sechrest@cs.orst.edu Corvallis Oregon 97331 . (503) 737-5562 . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 13:31:05 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA20117 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA20112 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25218 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:12:24 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaye03937; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16495 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16489 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA24873 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:02:10 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxz01607; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15629 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15624 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24739 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:29:41 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxx26366; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA13700 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from quadstone.co.uk (quadstone.quadstone.co.uk [194.80.190.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA13695 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by quadstone.co.uk id aa07009; 31 Jan 96 18:12 GMT Received: from murrayfield.quadstone.co.uk by quadstone.co.uk id aa06957; 31 Jan 96 18:10 GMT Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:07:36 GMT Message-Id: <8218.199601311807@subnode.quadstone.co.uk> To: Dennis Black CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: Dennis Black's message of 31 Jan 1996 09:56:22 -0700 Subject: Re: My mailing list has sudd From: Evan Welsh References: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dennis Black responded to Evan Welsh's cry for help: Evan> One of my mailing lists has suddenly stopped getting through to a Evan> large number of its recipients. Evan> As far as I can make out, nothing has changed in either the majordomo Evan> set-up or the mmdf email set-up here and I've received no bounce Evan> mail. It may not be relevant but members of another list which Evan> doesn't use majordomo, just mmdf) have been complaining about Evan> receiving messages twice. Dennis> Either edit the subscribers list and visually check for duplicates, Dennis> (yes, duplicates CAN occur, for some strange reason) or, print the Dennis> subscribers list and grep -c each address. I experienced this in Dennis> one list. [More about strange characters deleted.] Thanks for your response Dennis but I think I must be suffering from a different problem than yourself. I have no duplicates and no dodgy characters lurking in my subscribers list. Can nobody suggest an approach to tracking down this problem? My perl is certainly up to hacking the majordomo source but I'm a bit of a beginner when it comes to mail protocols and the ilk so I'm not sure what I should be looking for. -- ####################################################################### # Evan Welsh Quadstone Ltd # # http://www.quadstone.co.uk/~evan/ +44 (0)131 220 4491 # ####################################################################### From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 13:31:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21161 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21155 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25287 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:31:17 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf16793; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA18769 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA18764 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25127 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:56:25 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayc02893; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15468 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15463 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24705 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:21:52 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxw25080; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id KAA14314 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from camlaw.rutgers.edu (camlaw.rutgers.edu [128.6.180.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA14302 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tomryan@localhost) by camlaw.rutgers.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA08439; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:26:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Ryan To: Michael Altmann cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Michael, I know there is a product called Mailserv which will allow for information to be entered in forms, but output is still sent to the email address and not the page. I am working on hacking it so that the output for some commands will sent to a page. Will let the list know if I ever finish the program. Tom On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Michael Altmann wrote: > This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a > way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a > WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page > with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info > and index and such. > > ------ > Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 13:54:04 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21430 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21416 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25345 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:37:49 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf09369; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16471 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcusa01.ecunet.org (pcusa01.ecunet.org [198.70.54.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16464 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcusa01.ecunet.org id ae11604; 31 Jan 96 14:29 EST Subject: permissions To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: Merrill Cook X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601311400.aa21999@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From Greg Blakely: > > I don't know exactly what cured it, because I took EVERYONES' suggestions > and did them all at once, but it turned out well. Majordomo is going > without eating all my RAM and swap space. When I had a problem with permissions, I was able to figure out that Majordomo was trying to lock a file, which was failing because of permissions, but it was retrying in a loop which also gradually used up all system resources. Sure would be nice if the system sent E-mail saying that there was an access problem, rather than just retrying forever. -- Regards, Merrill Cook Louisville KY mcook@pcusa.org or MERRILL COOK on Ecunet/PresbyNet http://www.pcusa.org/pcusa.html -+- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 13:58:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21386 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21381 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25334 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:37:06 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf17709; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA18512 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:44:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA18479 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25114 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:52:32 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayc09402; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16456 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcusa01.ecunet.org (pcusa01.ecunet.org [198.70.54.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16447 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcusa01.ecunet.org id ab11604; 31 Jan 96 14:28 EST Subject: Re: Re[3]: List owner approval question To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: Merrill Cook In-Reply-To: <9600318230.AA823081158@GVSU.EDU> from "DICK FEDDER" at Jan 31, 96 01:39:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601311342.aa11545@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From DICK FEDDER: > > Thanks for letting me know about your problem with cc:Mail and > Majordomo. Although I haven't done a lot of additional testing I've > been able to get "Approved:" messages through cc:Mail the last couple > of times I tried, but it does take some experimenting. Here's what I > think is happening. Would ccMail leave it with a proper cr/lf if the Approved is on a line by itself (with a blank line above and below)? Does Majordomo care? Or does the rest of the header need to be set up this way too? How about if each line of the header starts with a space? Some programs look for "whitespace", and if they don't see it, assume they are looking at a paragraph, which they can reformat at will. If the line begins with a space (or tab) or is preceded by a blank line, it is not considered a paragraph with the lines above it... If Majordomo requires the To: and other header fiealds to be at the very left hand edge, ccMail users will have a problem, because ccMail puts blank space in the =output= note, to make a pseudo margin around the formatted text. (Note the six spaces at the beginning of each line in the section above.) Any easy way to get it to stop doing that? My guess is that you have two things to keep in mind: how cc:Mail reformats the text on your screen to put it into the internet mail format; and what impact that formatted text (with whitespace on the left) does to Majordomo. -- Regards, Merrill Cook Louisville KY mcook@pcusa.org or MERRILL COOK on Ecunet/PresbyNet http://www.pcusa.org/pcusa.html -+- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 14:04:48 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21378 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21373 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25322 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:36:28 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf19164; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA19395 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA19390 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25172 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:05:32 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayd11441; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17434 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17429 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06552; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:18:22 -0500 Received: from router.paladin.com(199.3.129.207) by bifrost.paladin.com via smap (V1.3) id sma006550; Wed Jan 31 15:18:03 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:17:58 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: Richard Steadman cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Duplicate messages & rejected mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Richard Steadman wrote: > 1. Once in a while, majordomo sends out two copies of the same > message several days apart. The messages have the exact same > ID numbers, and all other particulars in the header are identical, > except for the date which majordomo sent it out. If the messages have the same message-ID's, thenit is not majordomo causing the problem, but sendmail. Majordomo does not generate the Message-ID; your MTA does. If they have the same message-ID, that means they are actually the same message, and therefore was only sent once by majordomo, and for some reason, processed twice by sendmail. > 2. There are a few addresses which never get their mail, although > they have valid e-mail addresses, and can be sent to normally. Here > are a couple of the common error messages: Again, this looks like sendmail is the culprit. Majordomo itself does not talk to the ports on the remote machines; your MTA does. In the error messages you sampled here, are the addresses inside the "Rcpt to" command valid? If not, it is possible majordomo is munging the address before it is even handed to your MTA. Unfortunately, I don't have any insight as to why sendmail is causing these problems, but at least you can look at sendmail instead of majordomo. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 14:11:22 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21546 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21541 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25364 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:40:38 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayg19762; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA20996 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA20990 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25259 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:26:17 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf15932; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA18887 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA18882 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25137 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:59:04 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayd02090; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17833 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from PEAK.ORG (PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.17]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17825 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from trillium.PEAK.ORG (trillium.PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.2]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id MAA21121; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:28:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199601312028.MAA21121@PEAK.ORG> X-Authentication-Warning: PEAK.ORG: Host trillium.PEAK.ORG didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Altmann Cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 CST. <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:23:56 -0800 From: (John Sechrest) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -------- We have a cgi-bin script to do this work. Look at http://www.peak.org/k12/k12.mailling.lists.html It uses a script to send the right mail... Michael Altmann writes: % This must be an faq, but I don't see it in the FAQ. Is there a % way to talk to Majordomo on stdin/stdout so that I can provide a % WWW, rather than email, front end to Majordomo? I'd like a web page % with a list of available mailing lists and forms for getting the info % and index and such. % % ------ % Michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu ----- John Sechrest . Helping people use Executive Director . computers and Internet Computer Science Outreach . more effectively Room 8 Hovland Hall . Oregon State University . Internet: sechrest@cs.orst.edu Corvallis Oregon 97331 . (503) 737-5562 . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 14:11:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA24372 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA24366 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25460 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:07:36 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayh12635; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21430 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21416 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25345 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:37:49 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf09369; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16471 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcusa01.ecunet.org (pcusa01.ecunet.org [198.70.54.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16464 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcusa01.ecunet.org id ae11604; 31 Jan 96 14:29 EST Subject: permissions To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: Merrill Cook X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601311400.aa21999@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From Greg Blakely: > > I don't know exactly what cured it, because I took EVERYONES' suggestions > and did them all at once, but it turned out well. Majordomo is going > without eating all my RAM and swap space. When I had a problem with permissions, I was able to figure out that Majordomo was trying to lock a file, which was failing because of permissions, but it was retrying in a loop which also gradually used up all system resources. Sure would be nice if the system sent E-mail saying that there was an access problem, rather than just retrying forever. -- Regards, Merrill Cook Louisville KY mcook@pcusa.org or MERRILL COOK on Ecunet/PresbyNet http://www.pcusa.org/pcusa.html -+- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 14:19:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA23525 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA23492 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25420 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:50:46 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayg17645; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16351 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16346 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24846 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:55:53 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxz00888; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15756 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from keeper.mmltd.com (keeper.mmltd.com [204.187.104.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15738 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mml1.mmltd.com by keeper.mmltd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18582; Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:28:01 EST Received: from rich.mmltd.com by mml1.mmltd.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0thiBN-0004vLC; Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:27 EST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:27 EST X-Sender: rsteadma@mml1.mmltd.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Richard Steadman Subject: Duplicate messages & rejected mail Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We have had Majordomo running for several months on a Sparc 20 Solaris 2.4, using sendmail. For the most part things have gone smoothly, but we have been having two recurring problems. 1. Once in a while, majordomo sends out two copies of the same message several days apart. The messages have the exact same ID numbers, and all other particulars in the header are identical, except for the date which majordomo sent it out. 2. There are a few addresses which never get their mail, although they have valid e-mail addresses, and can be sent to normally. Here are a couple of the common error messages: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- <<< RCPT To: <<< DATA mr_talker: OK, MRIF Service V0.2 554 ... Internal error ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to physics.utoronto.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 bchu@physics.utoronto.ca... Service unavailable Connected to astro.utoronto.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 astlibr@astro.utoronto.ca... Service unavailable Connected to library.uwaterloo.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 jcooper@library.uwaterloo.ca... Service unavailable Connected to bnr.ca: >>> DATA <<< 554 No date field given 554 daze@bnr.ca... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- If anyone knows why these things might be happening, a reply would be greatly appreciated. Richard Steadman Micromedia Limited Internet Programmer/Developer 20 Victoria Street, Toronto, ON Canada M5C 2N8 (416)-362-5211 ext. 2517 Fax: (416)-362-6161 rsteadma@micromedia.on.ca Richard Steadman Micromedia Limited Internet Programmer/Developer 20 Victoria Street, Toronto, ON Canada M5C 2N8 (416)-362-5211 ext. 2517 Fax: (416)-362-6161 rsteadma@micromedia.on.ca From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 14:23:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA24628 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA24623 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25475 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:14:56 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayi13625; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21386 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21381 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25334 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:37:06 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf17709; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA18512 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:44:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA18479 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25114 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:52:32 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayc09402; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16456 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcusa01.ecunet.org (pcusa01.ecunet.org [198.70.54.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16447 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcusa01.ecunet.org id ab11604; 31 Jan 96 14:28 EST Subject: Re: Re[3]: List owner approval question To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: Merrill Cook In-Reply-To: <9600318230.AA823081158@GVSU.EDU> from "DICK FEDDER" at Jan 31, 96 01:39:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601311342.aa11545@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From DICK FEDDER: > > Thanks for letting me know about your problem with cc:Mail and > Majordomo. Although I haven't done a lot of additional testing I've > been able to get "Approved:" messages through cc:Mail the last couple > of times I tried, but it does take some experimenting. Here's what I > think is happening. Would ccMail leave it with a proper cr/lf if the Approved is on a line by itself (with a blank line above and below)? Does Majordomo care? Or does the rest of the header need to be set up this way too? How about if each line of the header starts with a space? Some programs look for "whitespace", and if they don't see it, assume they are looking at a paragraph, which they can reformat at will. If the line begins with a space (or tab) or is preceded by a blank line, it is not considered a paragraph with the lines above it... If Majordomo requires the To: and other header fiealds to be at the very left hand edge, ccMail users will have a problem, because ccMail puts blank space in the =output= note, to make a pseudo margin around the formatted text. (Note the six spaces at the beginning of each line in the section above.) Any easy way to get it to stop doing that? My guess is that you have two things to keep in mind: how cc:Mail reformats the text on your screen to put it into the internet mail format; and what impact that formatted text (with whitespace on the left) does to Majordomo. -- Regards, Merrill Cook Louisville KY mcook@pcusa.org or MERRILL COOK on Ecunet/PresbyNet http://www.pcusa.org/pcusa.html -+- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 14:28:12 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21538 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21511; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25356 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:40:15 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf18344; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA19351 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA19317; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25162 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:04:31 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayd02672; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17861 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17856; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgihub.corp.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id MAA08963; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:29:48 -0800 Received: from lunch.engr.sgi.com by sgihub.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id KAA24327; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:57:12 -0800 Received: by lunch.engr.sgi.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) id KAA09315; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:57:02 -0800 From: pdc@lunch.engr.sgi.com (Paul Close) Message-Id: <199601311857.KAA09315@lunch.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: verifying a user's subscription address? To: kevintx@ministry.paranoia.com (Kevin at Paranoia) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:56:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM, kevintx@ministry.paranoia.com In-Reply-To: <199601310637.AAA01171@ministry.paranoia.com> from "Kevin at Paranoia" at Jan 31, 1996 12:37:37 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a8s] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know whether anyone has added the ability for majordomo > to send a verification back to those requesting list subscription if > the list requires that? There has been a lot of false subscription > harassment going on and this kind of verification is very effective > at preventing hassle on everyone's part. As someone already pointed out, majordomo does send out a "welcome" message that acts as a confirmation. It doesn't stop the problem, but it does alert the "victim" after the fact. Of course by then it is often painfully obvious, as the mail pours in.... > I've seen this in another (possibly commercial) mailing list server > and it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to implement in majordomo if > someone hasn't already. Force the person to reply to a verification > email (with a "key" of some sort in the subject to link the reply with > the verification attempt) in order to get themselves added to a list > with that address. Joe Pruett recently announced a patch to do just that on the majordomo workers list. I'm sure he would send you the patch.... His work was intended to solve the "forged subscribe" problem (as opposed to the larger PGP-style authentication issue). > kevintx@paranoia.com | "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies." > (System Administrator) | Paranoia offers low cost accounts to those in need. > Finger for PGP 2.3 Key | The Server "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they *aren't* out to get you" :-) -- Paul Close pdc@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/employees/pdc_engr No fate but what we make From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 14:29:42 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA25428 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA25414 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25516 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:29:47 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayi00987; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16323 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from spitfire.cs.utah.edu (spitfire.cs.utah.edu [155.99.208.57]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16318 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by spitfire.cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/) id OAA23500; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:44:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:44:40 -0500 From: Mark J Bradakis Message-Id: <199601311944.OAA23500@spitfire.cs.utah.edu> To: michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu CC: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> (message from Michael Altmann on Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 -0600) Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Go to http://www.team.net/mjb/mjb.html and click on the LWGate icon. This may be something along the lines of what you want. mjb. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 14:33:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA24883 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:12:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA24870 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25496 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:20:17 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayi14508; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21378 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21373 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25322 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:36:28 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf19164; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA19395 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA19390 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25172 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:05:32 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayd11441; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17434 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17429 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06552; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:18:22 -0500 Received: from router.paladin.com(199.3.129.207) by bifrost.paladin.com via smap (V1.3) id sma006550; Wed Jan 31 15:18:03 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:17:58 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: Richard Steadman cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Duplicate messages & rejected mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Richard Steadman wrote: > 1. Once in a while, majordomo sends out two copies of the same > message several days apart. The messages have the exact same > ID numbers, and all other particulars in the header are identical, > except for the date which majordomo sent it out. If the messages have the same message-ID's, thenit is not majordomo causing the problem, but sendmail. Majordomo does not generate the Message-ID; your MTA does. If they have the same message-ID, that means they are actually the same message, and therefore was only sent once by majordomo, and for some reason, processed twice by sendmail. > 2. There are a few addresses which never get their mail, although > they have valid e-mail addresses, and can be sent to normally. Here > are a couple of the common error messages: Again, this looks like sendmail is the culprit. Majordomo itself does not talk to the ports on the remote machines; your MTA does. In the error messages you sampled here, are the addresses inside the "Rcpt to" command valid? If not, it is possible majordomo is munging the address before it is even handed to your MTA. Unfortunately, I don't have any insight as to why sendmail is causing these problems, but at least you can look at sendmail instead of majordomo. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 14:39:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA26382 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA26365 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07463 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:34:15 -0500 Received: from router.paladin.com(199.3.129.207) by bifrost.paladin.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007461; Wed Jan 31 17:33:55 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:54 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: List Broken? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of some messages from this list. An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 15:02:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA26321 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA26295 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25566 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:42:36 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayk27856; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA25428 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA25414 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25516 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:29:47 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayi00987; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16323 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from spitfire.cs.utah.edu (spitfire.cs.utah.edu [155.99.208.57]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16318 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by spitfire.cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/) id OAA23500; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:44:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:44:40 -0500 From: Mark J Bradakis Message-Id: <199601311944.OAA23500@spitfire.cs.utah.edu> To: michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu CC: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> (message from Michael Altmann on Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 -0600) Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Go to http://www.team.net/mjb/mjb.html and click on the LWGate icon. This may be something along the lines of what you want. mjb. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 15:43:15 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29905 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from babba.cu-online.com (babba.msilink.com [205.198.248.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id PAA29873 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andy@localhost) by babba.cu-online.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA08738; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:42 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Hunt X-Sender: andy@babba.cu-online.com To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Wolf Song Design; http://www.wolfsong.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Chris Woods wrote: > Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several > messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of > some messages from this list. > > An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. I'm getting the same dupes (thought it was on my end until now :) ah. ====================================================================== Andrew Hunt W O L F S O N G D E S I G N andy@wolfsong.com ====================================================================== Just Another Friendly Face From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 15:43:19 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29648 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from benland.muc.edu ([199.18.41.33]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA29643 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by benland.muc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA16325; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:11:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin J. Kirchmeyer" To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Chris Woods wrote: > Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several > messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of > some messages from this list. > > An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. > > Chris Woods Systems Administrator > cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions > 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com > "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman > No, you're not the only victim. I've had the same thing happen to me all day. Don't worry... By tomorrow, we'll hate ourselves for sending even these messages (after receiving 6 copies of it!) :) ----------------------------- Benjamin J. Kirchmeyer ben@benland.muc.edu http://benland.muc.edu/~ben ----------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 15:43:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29382 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA29377 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA25636 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:12:02 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaym27888; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA26382 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA26365 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07463 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:34:15 -0500 Received: from router.paladin.com(199.3.129.207) by bifrost.paladin.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007461; Wed Jan 31 17:33:55 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:54 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: List Broken? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of some messages from this list. An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 15:43:30 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA28094 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA28049; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25599 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:51:43 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayk17221; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21538 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21511; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25356 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:40:15 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf18344; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA19351 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA19317; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25162 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:04:31 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayd02672; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id MAA17861 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id MAA17856; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgihub.corp.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id MAA08963; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:29:48 -0800 Received: from lunch.engr.sgi.com by sgihub.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) id KAA24327; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:57:12 -0800 Received: by lunch.engr.sgi.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) id KAA09315; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:57:02 -0800 From: pdc@lunch.engr.sgi.com (Paul Close) Message-Id: <199601311857.KAA09315@lunch.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: verifying a user's subscription address? To: kevintx@ministry.paranoia.com (Kevin at Paranoia) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:56:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM, kevintx@ministry.paranoia.com In-Reply-To: <199601310637.AAA01171@ministry.paranoia.com> from "Kevin at Paranoia" at Jan 31, 1996 12:37:37 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a8s] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know whether anyone has added the ability for majordomo > to send a verification back to those requesting list subscription if > the list requires that? There has been a lot of false subscription > harassment going on and this kind of verification is very effective > at preventing hassle on everyone's part. As someone already pointed out, majordomo does send out a "welcome" message that acts as a confirmation. It doesn't stop the problem, but it does alert the "victim" after the fact. Of course by then it is often painfully obvious, as the mail pours in.... > I've seen this in another (possibly commercial) mailing list server > and it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to implement in majordomo if > someone hasn't already. Force the person to reply to a verification > email (with a "key" of some sort in the subject to link the reply with > the verification attempt) in order to get themselves added to a list > with that address. Joe Pruett recently announced a patch to do just that on the majordomo workers list. I'm sure he would send you the patch.... His work was intended to solve the "forged subscribe" problem (as opposed to the larger PGP-style authentication issue). > kevintx@paranoia.com | "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies." > (System Administrator) | Paranoia offers low cost accounts to those in need. > Finger for PGP 2.3 Key | The Server "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they *aren't* out to get you" :-) -- Paul Close pdc@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/employees/pdc_engr No fate but what we make From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 15:43:35 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA25963 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA25958 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25551 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:38:11 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayj16546; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA23525 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA23492 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25420 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:50:46 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayg17645; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16351 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16346 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24846 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:55:53 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaxz00888; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA15756 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from keeper.mmltd.com (keeper.mmltd.com [204.187.104.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA15738 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mml1.mmltd.com by keeper.mmltd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18582; Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:28:01 EST Received: from rich.mmltd.com by mml1.mmltd.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0thiBN-0004vLC; Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:27 EST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:27 EST X-Sender: rsteadma@mml1.mmltd.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Richard Steadman Subject: Duplicate messages & rejected mail Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We have had Majordomo running for several months on a Sparc 20 Solaris 2.4, using sendmail. For the most part things have gone smoothly, but we have been having two recurring problems. 1. Once in a while, majordomo sends out two copies of the same message several days apart. The messages have the exact same ID numbers, and all other particulars in the header are identical, except for the date which majordomo sent it out. 2. There are a few addresses which never get their mail, although they have valid e-mail addresses, and can be sent to normally. Here are a couple of the common error messages: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- <<< RCPT To: <<< DATA mr_talker: OK, MRIF Service V0.2 554 ... Internal error ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to physics.utoronto.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 bchu@physics.utoronto.ca... Service unavailable Connected to astro.utoronto.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 astlibr@astro.utoronto.ca... Service unavailable Connected to library.uwaterloo.ca: >>> HELO world.mmltd.com. <<< 501 Invalid HELO parameter! 554 jcooper@library.uwaterloo.ca... Service unavailable Connected to bnr.ca: >>> DATA <<< 554 No date field given 554 daze@bnr.ca... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- If anyone knows why these things might be happening, a reply would be greatly appreciated. Richard Steadman Micromedia Limited Internet Programmer/Developer 20 Victoria Street, Toronto, ON Canada M5C 2N8 (416)-362-5211 ext. 2517 Fax: (416)-362-6161 rsteadma@micromedia.on.ca Richard Steadman Micromedia Limited Internet Programmer/Developer 20 Victoria Street, Toronto, ON Canada M5C 2N8 (416)-362-5211 ext. 2517 Fax: (416)-362-6161 rsteadma@micromedia.on.ca From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 16:23:28 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA03500 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id QAA03475 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission (haas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA25828; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199602010009.RAA25828@xmission.xmission.com> To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:54 EST." Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:27 -0700 From: "Walter O. Haas" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several >messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of >some messages from this list. > >An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. I see the same thing here. -- Walt From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 16:36:06 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA01946 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA01939 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA25758 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:06:28 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayp09492; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29905 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from babba.cu-online.com (babba.msilink.com [205.198.248.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id PAA29873 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andy@localhost) by babba.cu-online.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA08738; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:42 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Hunt X-Sender: andy@babba.cu-online.com To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Wolf Song Design; http://www.wolfsong.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Chris Woods wrote: > Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several > messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of > some messages from this list. > > An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. I'm getting the same dupes (thought it was on my end until now :) ah. ====================================================================== Andrew Hunt W O L F S O N G D E S I G N andy@wolfsong.com ====================================================================== Just Another Friendly Face From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 16:38:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07148 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07130 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA25869 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:46:18 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaays07474; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA26321 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA26295 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25566 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:42:36 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayk27856; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA25428 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA25414 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25516 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:29:47 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayi00987; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16323 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from spitfire.cs.utah.edu (spitfire.cs.utah.edu [155.99.208.57]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16318 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by spitfire.cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/) id OAA23500; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:44:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:44:40 -0500 From: Mark J Bradakis Message-Id: <199601311944.OAA23500@spitfire.cs.utah.edu> To: michael@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu CC: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: <310FAC3E.1E4D4CFD@umnhcs.labmed.umn.edu> (message from Michael Altmann on Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:58 -0600) Subject: Re: Majordomo results: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Go to http://www.team.net/mjb/mjb.html and click on the LWGate icon. This may be something along the lines of what you want. mjb. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 16:53:07 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA03453 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA03404 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA25806 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:18:48 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayq04210; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA24372 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA24366 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25460 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:07:36 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayh12635; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id NAA21430 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA21416 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25345 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:37:49 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay1.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayf09369; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id LAA16471 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcusa01.ecunet.org (pcusa01.ecunet.org [198.70.54.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA16464 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by pcusa01.ecunet.org id ae11604; 31 Jan 96 14:29 EST Subject: permissions To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: Merrill Cook X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9601311400.aa21999@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From Greg Blakely: > > I don't know exactly what cured it, because I took EVERYONES' suggestions > and did them all at once, but it turned out well. Majordomo is going > without eating all my RAM and swap space. When I had a problem with permissions, I was able to figure out that Majordomo was trying to lock a file, which was failing because of permissions, but it was retrying in a loop which also gradually used up all system resources. Sure would be nice if the system sent E-mail saying that there was an access problem, rather than just retrying forever. -- Regards, Merrill Cook Louisville KY mcook@pcusa.org or MERRILL COOK on Ecunet/PresbyNet http://www.pcusa.org/pcusa.html -+- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 16:54:51 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07454 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07449 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (dialup-16a.prismnet.com [205.166.246.216]) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01139 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:50:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199602010050.SAA01139@smokey.prismnet.com> X-Sender: tangent@prismnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:48:48 -0600 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Rod Cole Subject: Re: List Broken? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 05:33 PM 1/31/96 -0500, Chris Woods wrote: >Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several >messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of >some messages from this list. > >An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. >"Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have had similar problems all day myself. Late this afternoon a friend forwarded the following message about some problems with SprintLink, which could account for at least some of my problems (I am in the Austin, Tx area). Rod Cole --------------------------------------------- SUBJ: Notice: Internet Outage This outage has been isolated to an Austin area fiber cut within the SprintLink network. This is causing very limited if any packet traffic outside our network. We are actively monitoring their efforts (ticket #5919678) and hope to have full network capacity into the backbone within the hour. Network Adminstration -------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 16:58:19 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA02796 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA02761 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA25791 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:15:07 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayq10838; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29382 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA29377 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA25636 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:12:02 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaym27888; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA26382 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA26365 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07463 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:34:15 -0500 Received: from router.paladin.com(199.3.129.207) by bifrost.paladin.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007461; Wed Jan 31 17:33:55 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:54 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: List Broken? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of some messages from this list. An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 17:14:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07531 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07515 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA25983 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:01:44 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayt06021; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA03500 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id QAA03475 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission (haas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA25828; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199602010009.RAA25828@xmission.xmission.com> To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:54 EST." Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:27 -0700 From: "Walter O. Haas" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several >messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of >some messages from this list. > >An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. I see the same thing here. -- Walt From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 17:23:16 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07860 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07855 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26022 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:07:23 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayt16413; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07454 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07449 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (dialup-16a.prismnet.com [205.166.246.216]) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01139 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:50:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199602010050.SAA01139@smokey.prismnet.com> X-Sender: tangent@prismnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:48:48 -0600 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Rod Cole Subject: Re: List Broken? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 05:33 PM 1/31/96 -0500, Chris Woods wrote: >Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several >messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of >some messages from this list. > >An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. >"Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have had similar problems all day myself. Late this afternoon a friend forwarded the following message about some problems with SprintLink, which could account for at least some of my problems (I am in the Austin, Tx area). Rod Cole --------------------------------------------- SUBJ: Notice: Internet Outage This outage has been isolated to an Austin area fiber cut within the SprintLink network. This is causing very limited if any packet traffic outside our network. We are actively monitoring their efforts (ticket #5919678) and hope to have full network capacity into the backbone within the hour. Network Adminstration -------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 17:36:42 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA08791 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA08782 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26096 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:27:44 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayv12237; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA01946 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA01939 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA25758 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:06:28 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayp09492; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29905 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from babba.cu-online.com (babba.msilink.com [205.198.248.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id PAA29873 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andy@localhost) by babba.cu-online.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA08738; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:42 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Hunt X-Sender: andy@babba.cu-online.com To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Wolf Song Design; http://www.wolfsong.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Chris Woods wrote: > Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several > messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of > some messages from this list. > > An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. I'm getting the same dupes (thought it was on my end until now :) ah. ====================================================================== Andrew Hunt W O L F S O N G D E S I G N andy@wolfsong.com ====================================================================== Just Another Friendly Face From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 17:39:07 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA09755 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA09750 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26140 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:45:30 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayw10958; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07860 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07855 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26022 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:07:23 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayt16413; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07454 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07449 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (dialup-16a.prismnet.com [205.166.246.216]) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01139 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:50:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199602010050.SAA01139@smokey.prismnet.com> X-Sender: tangent@prismnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:48:48 -0600 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Rod Cole Subject: Re: List Broken? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 05:33 PM 1/31/96 -0500, Chris Woods wrote: >Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several >messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of >some messages from this list. > >An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. >"Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have had similar problems all day myself. Late this afternoon a friend forwarded the following message about some problems with SprintLink, which could account for at least some of my problems (I am in the Austin, Tx area). Rod Cole --------------------------------------------- SUBJ: Notice: Internet Outage This outage has been isolated to an Austin area fiber cut within the SprintLink network. This is causing very limited if any packet traffic outside our network. We are actively monitoring their efforts (ticket #5919678) and hope to have full network capacity into the backbone within the hour. Network Adminstration -------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 17:50:56 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA08034 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA08029 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:03:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26045 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:11:36 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayu16939; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA02796 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA02761 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA25791 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:15:07 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayq10838; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29382 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA29377 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA25636 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:12:02 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaym27888; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id OAA26382 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifrost.paladin.com (router.paladin.com [199.3.129.207]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA26365 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bifrost.paladin.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07463 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:34:15 -0500 Received: from router.paladin.com(199.3.129.207) by bifrost.paladin.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007461; Wed Jan 31 17:33:55 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:54 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Woods To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: List Broken? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of some messages from this list. An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. Chris Woods Systems Administrator cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 17:53:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA10047 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA10019 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26169 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:59:48 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayx12380; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA08791 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA08782 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26096 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:27:44 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayv12237; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA01946 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA01939 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA25758 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:06:28 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayp09492; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29905 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from babba.cu-online.com (babba.msilink.com [205.198.248.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id PAA29873 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andy@localhost) by babba.cu-online.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA08738; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:42 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Hunt X-Sender: andy@babba.cu-online.com To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Wolf Song Design; http://www.wolfsong.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Chris Woods wrote: > Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several > messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of > some messages from this list. > > An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. I'm getting the same dupes (thought it was on my end until now :) ah. ====================================================================== Andrew Hunt W O L F S O N G D E S I G N andy@wolfsong.com ====================================================================== Just Another Friendly Face From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 18:23:30 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA11897 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA11884 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA26261 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:16:46 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayy17164; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07531 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07515 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA25983 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:01:44 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayt06021; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA03500 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id QAA03475 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission (haas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA25828; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199602010009.RAA25828@xmission.xmission.com> To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:54 EST." Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:27 -0700 From: "Walter O. Haas" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several >messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of >some messages from this list. > >An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. I see the same thing here. -- Walt From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 18:39:55 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA13393 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:38:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA13388 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA26385 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:46:14 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaaza19885; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA11897 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA11884 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA26261 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:16:46 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayy17164; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07531 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07515 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA25983 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:01:44 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayt06021; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA03500 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id QAA03475 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission (haas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA25828; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199602010009.RAA25828@xmission.xmission.com> To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:54 EST." Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:27 -0700 From: "Walter O. Haas" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several >messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of >some messages from this list. > >An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. I see the same thing here. -- Walt From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 19:08:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id SAA14532 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA14524 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA26473 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:05:05 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaazb17986; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id RAA09755 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA09750 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26140 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:45:30 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay3.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayw10958; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07860 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07855 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA26022 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:07:23 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayt16413; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id QAA07454 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA07449 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (dialup-16a.prismnet.com [205.166.246.216]) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01139 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:50:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199602010050.SAA01139@smokey.prismnet.com> X-Sender: tangent@prismnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:48:48 -0600 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Rod Cole Subject: Re: List Broken? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 05:33 PM 1/31/96 -0500, Chris Woods wrote: >Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several >messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of >some messages from this list. > >An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. >"Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have had similar problems all day myself. Late this afternoon a friend forwarded the following message about some problems with SprintLink, which could account for at least some of my problems (I am in the Austin, Tx area). Rod Cole --------------------------------------------- SUBJ: Notice: Internet Outage This outage has been isolated to an Austin area fiber cut within the SprintLink network. This is causing very limited if any packet traffic outside our network. We are actively monitoring their efforts (ticket #5919678) and hope to have full network capacity into the backbone within the hour. Network Adminstration -------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 19:53:17 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA16727 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA16721 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA26622 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:59:37 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayp09985; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29648 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from benland.muc.edu ([199.18.41.33]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA29643 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by benland.muc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA16325; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:11:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin J. Kirchmeyer" To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Chris Woods wrote: > Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several > messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of > some messages from this list. > > An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. > > Chris Woods Systems Administrator > cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions > 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com > "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman > No, you're not the only victim. I've had the same thing happen to me all day. Don't worry... By tomorrow, we'll hate ourselves for sending even these messages (after receiving 6 copies of it!) :) ----------------------------- Benjamin J. Kirchmeyer ben@benland.muc.edu http://benland.muc.edu/~ben ----------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 20:08:47 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA17446 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA17441 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA26642 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:05:38 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaazf07575; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA16727 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA16721 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA26622 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:59:37 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayp09985; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29648 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from benland.muc.edu ([199.18.41.33]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA29643 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by benland.muc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA16325; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:11:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin J. Kirchmeyer" To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Chris Woods wrote: > Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several > messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of > some messages from this list. > > An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. > > Chris Woods Systems Administrator > cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions > 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com > "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman > No, you're not the only victim. I've had the same thing happen to me all day. Don't worry... By tomorrow, we'll hate ourselves for sending even these messages (after receiving 6 copies of it!) :) ----------------------------- Benjamin J. Kirchmeyer ben@benland.muc.edu http://benland.muc.edu/~ben ----------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 20:24:01 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA17800 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA17788 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:12:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA26675 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:20:35 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay6.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaazg29486; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id UAA17446 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA17441 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA26642 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:05:38 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaazf07575; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id TAA16727 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.aries.com ([205.129.195.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA16721 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by unix.aries.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA26622 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:59:37 -0500 Received: from miles.greatcircle.com by relay7.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQaayp09985; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id PAA29648 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from benland.muc.edu ([199.18.41.33]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA29643 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by benland.muc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA16325; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:11:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin J. Kirchmeyer" To: Chris Woods cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Broken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Chris Woods wrote: > Is it just me, or is this list broked? I've gotten dupes of several > messages all day, and not just 2 of each message. I have gotten 4 or 5 of > some messages from this list. > > An I the only victim? If so, then I apparently have a problem here. > > Chris Woods Systems Administrator > cjwoods@paladin.com Paladin Computing Solutions > 617-273-4226 http://www.paladin.com > "Never underestimate the destructive power of a backhoe." -Brent Chapman > No, you're not the only victim. I've had the same thing happen to me all day. Don't worry... By tomorrow, we'll hate ourselves for sending even these messages (after receiving 6 copies of it!) :) ----------------------------- Benjamin J. Kirchmeyer ben@benland.muc.edu http://benland.muc.edu/~ben ----------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 23:12:43 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id WAA22779 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.214]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA26075 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from qm-gw.ucs.ualberta.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id IAA06372 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:24:05 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 30 Jan 1996 08:24:52 -0700 From: "Dennis Black" Subject: Re: subscribes To: "majordomo-users" Cc: "Sean Davies" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>subscribes Anyone kow how to suppress the messages to list-owner-approve when people successfully subscribe to one of my mailing lists ? I have about 2000 people appending to my lists at present which results in 2000 notes telling me that someone has subscribed but I need take no action !! Sean Davies Sean, you should have an alias of "nobody: /dev/null" in your /etc/aliases file. Send the list-approvals to that bit bucket. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 23:15:30 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id WAA22875 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:57:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from keeper.albany.net (keeper.albany.net [206.72.192.14]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id KAA04714 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from magik.albany.net (uucp@magik.albany.net [206.72.192.15]) by keeper.albany.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA13180 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from edg.UUCP by magik.albany.net (8.7.1) id NAA09873; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from bryan.edgi.com by edg.edgi.com id aa22455; 30 Jan 96 13:15 EST Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Bryan Montgomery Organization: Empire Data Group Inc. To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:11:32 -0500 Subject: Help.... Battling with SCO! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <9601301315.aa22455@edg.edgi.com> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm trying to set up majordomo on an sco (OS5) machine.Probably not ideal, but. I managed to compile and install majordomo without any real problems. However, I don't believe Pearl has been installed, so I tried building both version 4 & 5 obtained from prep.ai.mit.edu. Neither would compile. Both failed on different lines, but with similar, if not the same error message. Also, I am not sure how majordomo interacts with MMDF as the mail transport (as opposed to sendmail). Basically, I was wondering whether anyone out there is using majordomo on SCO and could help me. Thanks, Bryan. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 23:18:32 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA23367 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA12711 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from claudia.teleport.com (claudia-0.teleport.com [192.108.254.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA09880; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:45:05 -0800 From: Joe Pruett Received: (joey@localhost) by claudia.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA21111; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:45:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:45:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199601311745.JAA21111@claudia.teleport.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, kevintx@ministry.paranoia.com Subject: Re: verifying a user's subscription address? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk yes, i have done the work, and the majordomo workers have been notified. no one has jumped up to indicate that it will be added to the official release. to see how it works, try to subscribe to joey-l via majordomo@teleport.com. try to forge a subscribe (to another account you control) and see what happens. > Does anyone know whether anyone has added the ability for majordomo to send > a verification back to those requesting list subscription if the list requires > that? There has been a lot of false subscription harassment going on and this > kind of verification is very effective at preventing hassle on everyone's part. > > I've seen this in another (possibly commercial) mailing list server and it > seems like it wouldn't be too hard to implement in majordomo if someone hasn't > already. Force the person to reply to a verification email (with a "key" of > some sort in the subject to link the reply with the verification attempt) in > order to get themselves added to a list with that address. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 23:20:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id XAA23380 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ornette.uchicago.edu (ornette.uchicago.edu [128.135.99.101]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id LAA16498; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.uchicago.edu [127.0.0.1]) by ornette.uchicago.edu (8.7.2/8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21250; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:50:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601311950.NAA21250@ornette.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 Reply-To: ckk@uchicago.edu From: ckk@uchicago.edu To: "John C. Orthoefer" cc: Kevin at Paranoia , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: verifying a user's subscription address? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:35:45 EST." <199601311435.JAA14116@smuggler.bbn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:50:41 -0600 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk If the subscription-policy is "closed", the list owner can send back a canned reply, to the person requesting a subscription, asking them to verify the subscription request, and the list owner can just wait for that verification before actually approving the subscribe request. No changes are required to any Majordomo scripts to accomplish this. Chris Koenigsberg U. of Chicago Academic Computing Services ----------------- In message <199601311435.JAA14116@smuggler.bbn.com>, "John C. Orthoefer" writes : > > >It's there already, sorta. Right now majordomo sends email to the >person saying your request has been processed and kicked back to the >list owner. This gives them a window to send e-mail the list owner >saying, Uhhh I don't want to be on the list. > >The other argument I'm going to give is how many hoops do you want >someone to jump though before they get on the list? Should the be >required to send a blood sample to you though SMail? Until we get >wide distrubution of Privicy enhanced e-mail it just isn't going to >happen. > >At the moment if you fear that someone is subscribing people who don't >want to subscribe. It takes a human to figure it out, just hold the >subscriptions till the person says they do infact want to be on the >list. > >johno >- > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Jan 31 23:23:31 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-951222-1) id WAA22912 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from support.centercomp.com (gw.centercomp.com [143.227.0.97]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA29148 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from corsair.centercomp.com (corsair.centercomp.com [143.227.0.98]) by support.centercomp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA15419 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:53:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:53:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199601310053.QAA15419@support.centercomp.com> X-Sender: cntrline@support.centercomp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Eric Hake Subject: dazed and confused, but trying to continue... Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Well, I have come to a fork in the road, and all paths lead back to confusion... I am getting the message upon trying to subscribe to my mailing lists (this is a new Majordomo installation): -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/users/majordom/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list listdir not defined. Is majordomo.cf being included correctly? at /usr/users/majordom/majordomo/majordomo line 62. 554 "|/usr/users/majordom/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have my listdir defined in my /etc/majordomo.cf (which is owned by majordom, of the majordom group): -rw-r--r-- 1 majordom majordom 4318 Jan 30 16:30 /etc/majordomo.cf ...snip, snip... # $listdir -- Where are the mailing lists? $listdir = "/usr/users/majordom/majordomo/lists/"; ...snip, snip... I have also tried it with root owning the /etc/majordomo.cf file, and with the listdir being listed without the final "/", and it still did the same thing... ---------------- Question #2 ---------------- Is there supposed to be a file called majordomo.cf in my majordom/majordomo directory that looks like this: /usr/users/majordom/majordomo # # Config file for Majordomo package config; #---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Name of the mail server software # $name = "Majordomo"; #---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Majordomo commands. If you don't want to support a particular command, # just comment it out of the @commands array. # @commands = ( "subscribe", "unsubscribe", "info", "who", ...snip, snip... is this supposed to have the same name as the majordomo.cf file in /etc? This doesn't look like a .cf file, but when I remove it, no mail bounces at all... I'm stumpped.. Sincerely, Dazed