From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 03:36:37 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA05389 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 03:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sol.traken.com (traken.com [206.26.158.155]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id DAA05323 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 03:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from venus.traken.com ([192.168.2.12]) by sol.traken.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA00760; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:12:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199704011112.GAA00760@sol.traken.com> Reply-To: From: "Darryl L. Pierce" To: "James B. Byrne" , Subject: Re: AOL refusing connections Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:25:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You know, I've noticed the same thing with ibm.net. I have a list for VisualAge for C++ programming (visualage@sol.traken.com) and a few people from IBM have subscribed to it. But, I've noticed that, when mail comes in and is resent, at least one (if not more) of the IBM people's mail returns with a "transient failure". Are they, maybe, blocking "bulk" mail? Could this be the same thing that AOL is doing? ---------------------------------------------------- Darryl L. Pierce (mailto:keeper@sol.traken.com) Visit my website, http://www.traken.com/~keeper "I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." - Albert Einstein From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 05:36:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA16269 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 05:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from logos.ghn.org (logos.ghn.org [207.199.130.133]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id FAA16258 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 05:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ted@localhost) by logos.ghn.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA07127; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:33:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:33:56 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Okada To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: File Upload using Newinfo? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello! Apologies in advance if this topic has been covered! I'd like to use majordomo to upload files without using ftpmail so my users can use one email address for both get and "puts"... After going through the FAQs and RTFMs I was wondering if anyone out there has modified chunks of 1.92 to allow for this... We have heard that one way to do this is to hack away using the newinfo command subroutine as an example... Again, apologies if this has been brought up before... TIA Ted --- \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o | /\ __\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ ../.\...|.\../).|....(.\../o\../.)....|..(\../.|.../.\.../.\. Ted Okada | http://www.fh.org/ Director | gopher://gopher.fh.org Washington D.C. Bureau | ftp://ftp.fh.org Food For The Hungry | ytalk:ted@logos.ghn.org --- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 05:42:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA15862 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 05:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from londo.asds.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id FAA15852 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 05:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.asds.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA31929 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:23:40 -0500 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA07575; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:23:40 -0500 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Restricting list to a particular domain References: <33401C63.1B06@ti.com> Date: 01 Apr 1997 08:23:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: Russell Boyer's message of Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:19:47 -0600 Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "RB" == Russell Boyer writes: RB> Is there a way for majordomo to restrict a list's subscriptions and RB> posts from a particuliar doman? (EX: only from *.company.com) Well, one way to do it is to set up your Mj server inside your firewall on a machine that cannot see or be seen outside your company. This is the easy way. If that is not an option you need to do a few things: * Make your list's subscription policy 'closed'; all subscription requests must be approved. * Enable the list's restrict_post option; only those subscribed to the list will be able to post to it. * Optionally make the list moderated so that all posts need to be approved. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0EMV56VRH7BJMxHAQHKbgP/TW5sjt3uWgcUi/XbNHcY3DHF7r3WebWE Dw8dqzohw1eh81FM7VXyap4xaZF3KLYRZJNmklladSqjONth+VcnbodxzCCqebME oxt2EEVj5I07/5bw0KoKo/g6mLFl6Vbf3byJpRnvvB4UqXhy1wDGHOhA0KsXlHSU 6H0gT9VWrCg= =ZyrN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, Prescient Technologies, Inc. | get away immediately. Seek shelter A Stone & Webster Company | and cover head. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 07:39:45 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA00273 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [15.253.72.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA00235 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from i3107atl.ssr.hp.com (i3107atl.ssr.hp.com [15.41.144.99]) by palrel1.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA28183; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:22:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from issl.atl.hp.com by i3107atl.ssr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.20/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA296488119; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:21:59 -0500 Received: by milo.idev.atl.hp.com (1.39.111.2/2.0) from gromit.idev.atl.hp.com id AA248418118; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:21:58 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970401102631.006ac2d8@hpissl> X-Sender: fitz@hpissl (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:26:31 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Patrick Fitzgerald Subject: Re: Restricting list to a particular domain Cc: rboyer@ti.com In-Reply-To: References: <33401C63.1B06@ti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Rich Pieri wrote: >>>>>> "RB" == Russell Boyer writes: > >RB> Is there a way for majordomo to restrict a list's subscriptions and >RB> posts from a particuliar doman? (EX: only from *.company.com) > >Well, one way to do it is to set up your Mj server inside your firewall on >a machine that cannot see or be seen outside your company. This is the >easy way. Not necessarily effective, if email can get through the firewall and someone determines the majordomo address. In my environment, I added the following code to the majordomo script, immediately after it checks for a valid reply_to address: if ($reply_to !~ m/foo\.com/i) { &abort( "$whoami: not replying to $reply_to because not a FOO.COM address.\n"); exit 0; } Seems to do the trick, but then nobody outside of FOO.COM can send majordomo commands (which is just the way I want it). -- ________ / _____ ) Patrick Fitzgerald Atlanta, GA / ___) / /__ fitz@iquest.com http://iquest.com/~fitz/ (_/ it(_____) webmaster@csicop.org http://www.csicop.org/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 07:54:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA03997 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from slsnh6.stgw.sel.alcatel.de (slsnh6.stgw.sel.alcatel.de [149.204.150.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA03976 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from slsni1.bk.sel.de by slsnh6.stgw.sel.alcatel.de (8.7/MAIL-Gateway/SEL-BK_1.8) id RAA26458; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:50:36 +0200 (MET DST) Organisation: Alcatel SEL AG, Business Systems Received: from phoenix by slsni1.bk.sel.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1/SEL-BK_M.1.33) id RAA11831; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:50:35 +0200 From: Andreas.Fenner@bk.sel.de (Andreas Fenner - UNIX-Wizard from PS-EAD1 [+49-711-83972-993]) Received: by phoenix (SMI-8.6/SEL-BK_C.1.6) id RAA26770; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:50:31 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:50:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199704011550.RAA26770@phoenix> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend)!! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk For one of my 189 mailing-lists I get sometimes the following warning: > From owner-d2r24_tcms Tue Apr 1 06:48:08 1997 > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:48:07 +0200 > From: owner-d2r24_tcms > To: owner-d2r24_tcms > Subject: MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend) > Reply-To: owner-d2r24_tcms > Content-Length: 143 > > -- > > > MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend)!! > > shlock: open('/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/d2r24_tcms.config.LOCK'): No such file or directory > Config/Permissions/etc. are (nearly) the same for all the lists. Any idea what could be the reason for this warning? Environment: Majordomo 1.94.1, Perl 5.003, Solaris 2.5 Andreas Fenner System Administrator ----------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------- V | Dipl. Ing. Andreas Fenner +---------------+ | Alcatel SEL AG | A L C A T E L | | Abteilung PS/EAD-1 +---------------+ | Motorstrasse 28 TELECOM | 70499 Stuttgart | Germany Business Systems +---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Phone : (49) 711 83972-993 Fax : (49) 711 83972-774 Development Computer | E-Mail : Andreas.Fenner@bk.sel.de Center | ALCANET : http://aww.rd-bsd.sel.alcatel.de/~Andreas.Fenner ----------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 09:22:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA09972 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA09930 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA24633 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 1 Apr 97 09:50:32 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA02119 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 1 Apr 97 09:50:27 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA27459; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:50:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id KAA15114; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:50:25 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704011650.KAA15114@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend)!! To: Andreas.Fenner@bk.sel.de (Andreas Fenner - UNIX-Wizard from PS-EAD1 [+49-711-83972-993]) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:50:25 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199704011550.RAA26770@phoenix> from "Andreas Fenner - UNIX-Wizard from PS-EAD1 [+49-711-83972-993]" at Apr 1, 97 05:50:31 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Andreas Fenner - UNIX-Wizard from PS-EAD1 [+49-711-83972-993] writes: ] > > For one of my 189 mailing-lists I get sometimes the following warning: [...] > > MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend)!! > > > > shlock: open('/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/d2r24_tcms.config.LOCK'): No such file or directory > > Any idea what could be the reason for this warning? Superfluous tests for race conditions it shouldn't be checking for in shlock.pl. Ignore them or comment them out. See the archives. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 10:56:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA22389 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:06:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from doors.matrox.com (doors.matrox.com [204.50.136.21]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA12455 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mtxmail@localhost) by doors.matrox.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01138 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from venus.matrox.com(138.11.0.5) by doors.matrox.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001125; Tue Apr 1 12:02:10 1997 Received: from etaub1.matrox.com (xl100-51.Matrox.COM [138.11.19.136]) by venus.matrox.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29267 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:02:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:02:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970401120207.2d777816@pluton.matrox.com> X-Sender: etaub@pluton.matrox.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Elisa Taub Subject: For more information about 1.94.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk _______________________________________ Elisa C. Taub Marketing Communications Representative Matrox Video Products Group 1055 St. Regis Blvd. Dorval, Quebec, Canada H9P 2T4 Tel: (514) 685-7230 ext: 2719 Fax: (514) 685-2853 E-mail: elisa.taub@matrox.com http://www.matrox.com/video From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 11:22:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA06347 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov (mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.144.120]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA12746 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [137.78.144.194] (lemond.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.144.194]) by mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09552 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:04:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:04:00 -0800 To: Majordomo Users From: Kelly Feagans Subject: Header Field Too Long? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have looked through the docs, but I am rather stumped on this one. Can anyone lend me hand with the following? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:24:28 -0800 (PST) From: owner-jmar-msopace To: owner-jmar-msopace Subject: BOUNCE jmar-msopace: Header field too long (>1024) Is there something in the config file that I can change to alleviate the above problem? Thanks mucho. kf _______________________________________________________________________ | Kelly Feagans, Network Engineer | | | Mars Global Surveyor | _____ __o | | Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Section 392 | ------ -\ \<, | | email: kfeagans@mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov | ---- ( )/ ( ) | | http://mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov | | |________________________________________|_____________________________| DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions expressed herein are my own and do not, in any way, represent the opinion or policy of JPL. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 11:29:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA06348 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from londo.asds.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA06295 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.asds.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA05369 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:09:57 -0500 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA10849; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:09:49 -0500 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Restricting list to a particular domain References: <33401C63.1B06@ti.com> <3.0.1.32.19970401102631.006ac2d8@hpissl> Date: 01 Apr 1997 14:09:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: Patrick Fitzgerald's message of Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:26:31 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.39/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "PF" == Patrick Fitzgerald writes: PF> Not necessarily effective, if email can get through the firewall PF> and someone determines the majordomo address. Which is why you block incoming SMTP traffic through the firewall except through the primary mail hubs which, as I said, are not where you run your private Majordomo. You then just make sure that the hubs do not relay Majordomo traffic; there are a number of ways of implementing this. As I said, this is just one way to do it. If you can configure your firewall to do this then it is the easiest to implement as it requires no code modifications. That is a big win when it comes time to upgrade your server software. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0FdZZ6VRH7BJMxHAQFuewP+OeldypdEwLZHL/XyIZGCxY4RUymrH5gV PpFiVOjSYM89zJNkhDAoReqlCia/3IKW4nDKv26KwN3VhYHS02rQ8pg1OBimLftZ kq7jYUgygePZW35TfGnfKWj1H0sOkslBUYyX5xGTeDZ6sbRo/6RXTZPobxP061rr 50sRwfkbLSc= =h7aL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Prescient Technologies, Inc. | A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 11:37:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA09447 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from snark.wizard.com (snark.wizard.com [199.171.28.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA09438 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:32:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:33:22 -0800 (PST) From: Marcy Kulic To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com Subject: Sending Confirm Letter Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is there a way to send a confirm letter when someone requests to be subscribed to a list using Majordomo 1.9.2? I can't seem to find anything about it in the config file. Thanks, Marcy From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 12:29:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA13247 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:58:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA13222 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA25450; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA09321; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:58:50 -0500 Message-ID: <19970401145849.BF36062@smoe.org> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:58:49 -0500 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: mkulic@snark.wizard.com (Marcy Kulic) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Sending Confirm Letter References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from "Marcy Kulic" on Apr 1, 1997 11:33:22 -0800 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Marcy Kulic writes: > Is there a way to send a confirm letter when someone requests to be > subscribed to a list using Majordomo 1.9.2? I can't seem to find anything > about it in the config file. Majordomo 1.94 was the first version to do confirmations. You should upgrade to 1.94.1. Jeff From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 12:37:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA17638 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA17619 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bss5.iadfw.net (hola@bss5.iadfw.net [206.66.13.212]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA21141 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:27:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970401142730.006f0ce4@dreamstate.com> X-Sender: pb@dreamstate.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 14:27:30 -0600 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Patrick Buckingham Subject: Majordomo abort Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I get this message every so often on certain subscribes.This is a fresh install of 1.941 and it also happens on another machine Wrapper is set to -rwsr-xr-x 1 root daemon 6453 Mar 21 1997 wrapper Any ideas ?? MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! chown(503, 0, "/usr/majordomo/lists/ircmusic.new"): Operation not permitted From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 12:48:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA13001 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from molokai.green-room.com (molokai.green-room.com [206.169.27.130]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA12994 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from marco ([206.169.27.164]) by molokai.green-room.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-29518U60) with SMTP id AAA299 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:48:56 -0800 From: "patrick n. blackburn" Message-Id: <970401114621.ZM6478@marco> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:46:20 -0700 Reply-To: Patrick Blackburn X-Palindrome: Never odd or even. X-Subfamily: Camarasaurinae Nopcsa X-Face: -gg9@NE"lf?M#M+=h!:IE1"SU= sq3;Bl!*VjP#7X:=3Zm]D/reb`hmOypMbBj333x;of..&gK^;7]~q_/> HrI+l55zC~RV.restrict? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Can I restrict 'who' access on a given list to be available only to addresses listed in my .restrict file? I know the config file permits 'who' to be set at open, closed, or list. None of these suits my needs. -Pat -- Patrick N. Blackburn Director, Information Systems Green Room Productions 415/289-7100 x120 patrickb@green-room.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 13:07:04 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA22222 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA22214 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:03:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA15892 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com; Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:03:41 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA11575 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com; Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:03:34 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA28605; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:03:32 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id PAA11310; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:03:31 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704012103.PAA11310@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Header Field Too Long? To: kfeagans@mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov (Kelly Feagans) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:03:31 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Kelly Feagans" at Apr 1, 97 09:04:00 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Kelly Feagans writes: ] > > Subject: BOUNCE jmar-msopace: Header field too long (>1024) > > Is there something in the config file that I can change to alleviate the > above problem? Look in your majordomo.cf file for $MAX_TOTAL_HEADER_LENGTH and change the value to something bigger. You might want to also change $MAX_HEADER_LINE_LENGTH. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 13:22:04 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA24730 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA24686 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA16935 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:18:52 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA12034 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:18:51 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA28687; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:18:50 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id PAA04992; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:18:48 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704012118.PAA04992@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: How to restrict 'who' access to .restrict? To: patrickb@green-room.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:18:48 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <970401114621.ZM6478@marco> from "patrick n. blackburn" at Apr 1, 97 11:46:20 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ patrick n. blackburn writes: ] > > Can I restrict 'who' access on a given list to be available only to > addresses listed in my .restrict file? > > I know the config file permits 'who' to be set at open, closed, or > list. None of these suits my needs. Set 'who_access' to 'list' and set 'restrict_post' to your .restrict file. However, that has the side effect of also restricting posting and all other *_access parameters that are set to 'list' to that same restrict list. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 13:37:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA25845 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA25784 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA16425 for pb@dreamstate.com; Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:10:53 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA11839 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:10:52 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA28299; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:10:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id PAA11358; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:10:50 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704012110.PAA11358@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Majordomo abort To: pb@dreamstate.com (Patrick Buckingham) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:10:49 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970401142730.006f0ce4@dreamstate.com> from "Patrick Buckingham" at Apr 1, 97 02:27:30 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Patrick Buckingham writes: ] > > I get this message every so often on certain subscribes.This is a fresh > install of 1.941 and it also happens on another machine > > Wrapper is set to > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root daemon 6453 Mar 21 1997 wrapper > > Any ideas ?? > > > MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! > > chown(503, 0, "/usr/majordomo/lists/ircmusic.new"): Operation not permitted What OS are you running Mj on? What user/group owns the *.new files? What user/group is 503/0? What user/group does your MTA (sendmail?) run as? I'd like to get this problem run down for 1.94.2 since we keep seeing it come up in terms of "sometimes" and "certain lists" or "certain subscribes". Is there anything else unique about the problem lists and/or subscribes you can think of? -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 18:21:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA14136 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:08:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.intervista.com ([165.113.124.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA14122 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from kali.intervista (kali.intervista.com [165.113.124.130]) by mail.intervista.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA29350 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:12:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970401181753.007845b8@mail.intervista.com> X-Sender: dwlewis@mail.intervista.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 18:17:53 -0800 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: "David W. Lewis" Subject: quick question regarding approve replies ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all. This is my first post here, and I hope this will be an easy one ... I want to suppress the response to an approve through majordomo. How do I do so? More detail: I am subscribing users via the WEB who want to be subscribed to a specific majordomo list which lives on another machine. This is a simple cgi script which opens a mail gateway to my majordomo with the simple command approve PASSWD subscribe as expected. Majordomo happily chugs along and receives this mail then sends a response back to my originating party that the approve succeeded. This would be fine if I were running sendmail on the www machine which I am not for security reasons. This piles up my mail machine's sendmail since the mail bounces (nothing to receive it) and clogs up my /var/spool/mqueue directory. I can deal with that via cron jobs, but that's a bit messy. For these reasons I'd like majordomo to NOT send a reply in this specific case, and I'd rather not hack the perl (but I will if I need to - I haven't even looked at the source yet). Any comments/suggestions appreciated. Best, -David Lewis System Administrator Intervista Software dwlewis@intervista.com http://www.intervista.com 415/543-8765 xtn 243 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 19:21:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA15998 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id TAA15989 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA23908; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:14:01 -0600 (CST) To: "David W. Lewis" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: quick question regarding approve replies ... References: <3.0.1.32.19970401181753.007845b8@mail.intervista.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 01 Apr 1997 21:14:01 -0600 In-Reply-To: "David W. Lewis"'s message of Tue, 01 Apr 1997 18:17:53 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DWL" == David W Lewis writes: DWL> For these reasons I'd like majordomo to NOT send a reply in this DWL> specific case, and I'd rather not hack the perl (but I will if I need DWL> to - I haven't even looked at the source yet). Well, you have no choice. Majordomo always sends welcome messages unless you make some source changes to alter the behavior. Such changes have been described, but I haven't seen a patch. It should be easy to make it a configuration option, and trivial to just turn it off. Try looking through the archives at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users. One useful message would be http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users/9702/msg00527.html. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 19:51:48 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA17994 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gsulaw.gsu.edu ([131.96.87.70]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id TAA17984 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (lawppw@localhost) by gsulaw.gsu.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01833; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:52:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:52:22 -0500 (EST) From: Patrick Wiseman To: "David W. Lewis" cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: quick question regarding approve replies ... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970401181753.007845b8@mail.intervista.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, David W. Lewis wrote: :I want to suppress the response to an approve through majordomo. How do I :do so? : :More detail: : :I am subscribing users via the WEB who want to be subscribed to a specific :majordomo list which lives on another machine. This is a simple cgi script :which opens a mail gateway to my majordomo with the simple command : : approve PASSWD subscribe You could instead (ducking as I say this) write the addresses to the list file instead of using MJ to do the subscription. Patrick From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 19:55:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA17725 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from enterprise (enterprise.america.com [206.125.236.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id TAA17718 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by enterprise via sendmail with stdio id for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:43:12 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1 built 1997-Jan-19) Message-Id: From: thierry@enterprise.america.com (Le chaud-lapin) Subject: AOL To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:43:11 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Well I have frequently found AOL to be down and I just have to wait for them to decide they want to talk to the rest of the world before the messages will go out. I myself currently have a mailbox full of bounce messages from sendmail saying that AOl wouldn't talk to it. *BLECH!* Cheers! Shane -- Shane Ludwig thierry@america.com ************************************************************************** * Nous vivons eternellement, non dans les ecoles de pointilleurs de * * syllabes, mais dans le cercle des sages, ou l'on ne discute pas * * sur la mere d'Andromaque ou les fils de Niobe, mais ou l'on * * s'entretient des origines profondes des choses divines et humaines * * -Anonyme * ************************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 20:21:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA19467 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id UAA19460 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA24993; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:13:21 -0600 (CST) To: Patrick Wiseman Cc: "David W. Lewis" , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: quick question regarding approve replies ... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 01 Apr 1997 22:13:21 -0600 In-Reply-To: Patrick Wiseman's message of Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:52:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "PW" == Patrick Wiseman writes: PW> You could instead (ducking as I say this) write the addresses to the PW> list file instead of using MJ to do the zubscription. Well, this isn't a problem as long as you include all of the libraries and make all of the calls necessary to doing proper locking that meshes with Majordomo. If your code isn't in Perl, however, prepare for pain. Eventually you will trash your list if you don't lock it properly. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 20:51:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA21286 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:36:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from snark.wizard.com (snark.wizard.com [199.171.28.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id UAA21275 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:36:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: Marcy Kulic To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Restrict_post Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have my list configured so that only people subscribed to the list can post. This is causing me some problems with people whose email addresses change slightly for various reasons. Example: I'm subscribed to the list as mkulic@wizard.com, but when I use Pine my email appears from mkulic@snark.wizard.com. So I can't post to the list from pine because the email is bounced back as not a list member. Is there anyway around this, while still restricting the posts, which I need to do for various reasons? Thanks, Marcy From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 21:22:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA23023 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id VAA23015 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26506; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:07:52 -0600 (CST) To: Marcy Kulic Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Restrict_post References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 01 Apr 1997 23:07:52 -0600 In-Reply-To: Marcy Kulic's message of Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:37:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "MK" == Marcy Kulic writes: MK> Example: I'm subscribed to the list as mkulic@wizard.com, but when I MK> use Pine my email appears from mkulic@snark.wizard.com. So I can't post MK> to the list from pine because the email is bounced back as not a list MK> member. Well, you could make use of the 'mungedomain' config option, which causes those two addresses to be treated as equivalent. This is not without problems, though, but it should solve your current difficulty. If not, maintain an additional file listed in restrict_post which has other addresses which are allowed to post. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 21:37:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA24131 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from vyger.net (vyger.net [206.11.200.208]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id VAA24124 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (greg@localhost) by vyger.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA07825 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:26:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:26:51 -0600 (CST) From: Greg Blakely To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: restrict_post format Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a mailing list, "mnwg", that I have the restrict_post set to "mnwg.restrict". In the file "mnwg.restrict", I have the following: [Cpt John Hengel ] The second address (me) can post to the list, no problem, but the first one gets the bounce message about a non-member attempting to p[ost to the list. I have checked and the address is identical... Any ideas? Tnx! --- Greg Blakely greg@vyger.net http://www.vyger.net/~greg mn0045@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov greg.blakely@mnwg.cap.gov pgp key: 5E BD 32 60 46 4F 36 40 9A 65 FC 63 52 7A 9E A9 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 22:08:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA28334 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.oulu.fi (lists.oulu.fi [130.231.241.85]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id VAA28310 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mhotti@localhost) by lists.oulu.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA20155; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:56:56 +0300 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:56:55 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Hotti X-Sender: mhotti@majordomo.oulu.fi To: Greg Blakely cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: restrict_post format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Greg Blakely wrote: > I have a mailing list, "mnwg", that I have the restrict_post set to > > "mnwg.restrict". In the file "mnwg.restrict", I have the following: > > [Cpt John Hengel ] > > The second address (me) can post to the list, no problem, but the first > one gets the bounce message about a non-member attempting to p[ost to the > list. I have checked and the address is identical... Any ideas? Your mnwg.restrict file is in wrong format. Try putting the plain addresses one per line without any colons whatsoever. /Marko Marko Hotti System Administrator / Medical Student / Vocalist & Pianist -- Phones: +358 40 552 8415 (mobile) +358 8 530 4268 (home) +358 8 312 7172 (otho) SnailMail: Tervontie 4 C 11, FIN-90230 OULU, Finland Public PGP encryption key available on request --> mhotti@lists.oulu.fi www.lists.oulu.fi (list services home page) www.cc.oulu.fi/~mhotti (personal) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 22:51:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA04483 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from enterprise (enterprise.america.com [206.125.236.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id WAA04464 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by enterprise via sendmail with stdio id for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:47:30 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1 built 1997-Jan-19) Message-Id: From: thierry@enterprise.america.com (Le chaud-lapin) Subject: Weird error... To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:47:30 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Sorry I couldn't think of anything else to call it. I have the list chanter-liste setup and running wonderfully on america.com My home domain is wru.org and I receive my mail from america.com via a uucp dialup. Now the weird thing is that when I send mail to the list from my home I get the following bounce message. I can send mail from my account on america.com just fine and I can send other mail to america.com from my home just fine. Basically, everything works except when I send mail from my home to chanter-liste I get the following: MAILER-DAEMON@enterprise.america.com said: > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:25:21 -0500 (EST) > From: > To: wru.org!thierry@thumper.wru.org > Subject: mail failed, returning to sender > Reference: > Sender: thierry@wru.org > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 2652 > > |------------------------- Message log follows: -------------------------| > no valid recipients were found for this message > |------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------| > chanter-liste@america.com ... unknown user > |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------| > Received: from thumper.wru.org by enterprise.america.com with uucp > (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m0wCB3M-001w6NC; Tue, 1 Apr 97 16:25 EST > Received: by thumper.wru.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) > id AA23164; Tue, 1 Apr 97 13:56:43 CST > From: thierry@wru.org (Shane Ludwig) > Message-Id: <9704011956.AA23164@thumper.wru.org> > Subject: Netmusik > To: chanter-liste@america.com > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:56:42 -0600 (CST) > In-Reply-To: <9704010706.AB18028@cti02.citenet.net> from "Jean-Robert Bisaillon et/ou Martine Birobent" at Apr 1, 97 02:07:46 am > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 1629 > > Salut Jean-Robert! [snip rest of message I sent to chanter-liste] Is this some sort of weird thing where mail sent via uucp to a system doesn't get sent through the alias file to find recipients? I'm totally at a loss... Cheers! Shane -- Shane Ludwig thierry@america.com ************************************************************************** * Nous vivons eternellement, non dans les ecoles de pointilleurs de * * syllabes, mais dans le cercle des sages, ou l'on ne discute pas * * sur la mere d'Andromaque ou les fils de Niobe, mais ou l'on * * s'entretient des origines profondes des choses divines et humaines * * -Anonyme * ************************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 23:06:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA05504 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id WAA05484 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.147.107.93]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA20292 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:55:55 +0000 Message-ID: <33421F3D.64DF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 00:56:29 -0800 From: Kirk Sansom X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com Subject: problems installing majordomo on linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm trying to install majordomo 1.94.1 on my Linux box. I followed all instructions: 1) created user majordomo.daemon with daemon group id, etc. etc. 2) edited Makefile with all definitions pointed out by instructions; 3) edited majordomo.cf and set $whereami; $whoami; ... 4) ran make wrapper, with no problems or errors 5) ran make install and got the following: starship:/majordomo# make install Testing for perl (/usr/bin/)... Configuring scripts... /bin/bash: /usr/bin/: is a directory make: *** [config-scripts] Error 126 starship:/majordomo# What's wrong and how do I fix it? ks _________________ Kirk Sansom kirsan@worldnet.att.net ksansom@juno.com Jackson, MS From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 1 23:51:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA08319 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:45:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from wolfenet.com (news1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id XAA08309 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (sea-ts2-p56.wolfenet.com [207.66.131.106]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA06513 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199704020746.XAA06513@wolfenet.com> From: "Gary Moore" To: Subject: can anyone help with message fronter? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:45:53 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am running MJ v1.93 and am trying to add a fronter to each message sent to my list. In the config file, I have: # message_fronter [string_array] (undef) # Text to be prepended to the beginning of all messages posted to the # list. The text is expanded before being used. The following # expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of the current list, # $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from line, $VERSION, the # version of majordomo. If used in a digest, only the expansion token # _SUBJECTS_ is available, and it expands to the list of message # subjects in the digest message_fronter << END This message forwarded by the Hillman List. END No fronter is being added. Any ideas? Thanks, Gary Moore From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 01:14:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id BAA12425 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.hypersurf.com (mercury.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id BAA12381 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from aerosmith.newvision.com (port17.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.113]) by mercury.hypersurf.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id BAA27184; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by aerosmith.newvision.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0163; Wed, 02 Apr 97 01:00:23 -0800 To: "David W. Lewis" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: quick question regarding approve replies ... References: <3.0.1.32.19970401181753.007845b8@mail.intervista.com> From: "Dewey M. Sasser" Date: 02 Apr 1997 01:00:19 -0800 In-Reply-To: "David W. Lewis"'s message of Tue, 01 Apr 1997 18:17:53 -0800 Message-Id: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.33 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "David" == David W Lewis writes: [...] David> For these reasons I'd like majordomo to NOT send a reply in David> this specific case, and I'd rather not hack the perl (but I David> will if I need to - I haven't even looked at the source David> yet). Others have discussed getting around the welcome message, but for some reasons I think you mean the "Majordomo results" message in response to the subscribe. To get around this (without hacking MJ), set the return address to something going to /dev/null. MJ won't care since it's getting the approval password. "nobody" is a common name aliased to /dev/null. -- Dewey M. Sasser voice: (617) 494-6000 dewey@newvision.com PGP Key from public servers PGP mail preferred. --- Anything worth doing is worth doing right, unless doing it right makes it no longer worth doing, in which case it is only worth doing it "good enough". From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 02:36:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA20530 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from estafeta.uam.es (estafeta.uam.es [150.244.9.25]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id CAA20512 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from cogorza.sdi.uam.es (cogorza.sdi.uam.es [150.244.9.56]) by estafeta.uam.es (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14444 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:33:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970402123356.006f5f84@acebo.sdi.uam.es> X-Sender: mer@acebo.sdi.uam.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 12:34:12 -0100 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Mercedes Gimenez Subject: Restrict_post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >MK> Example: I'm subscribed to the list as mkulic@wizard.com, but when I >MK> use Pine my email appears from mkulic@snark.wizard.com. So I can't post >MK> to the list from pine because the email is bounced back as not a list >MK> member. > >J> Well, you could make use of the 'mungedomain' config option, which= causes >J> those two addresses to be treated as equivalent. This is not without >J> problems, though, but it should solve your current difficulty. >J> >J> If not, maintain an additional file listed in restrict_post which has other >J> addresses which are allowed to post. I have a similar problem . I=B4m subscribed to the list as mercedes.gimenez@uam.es, but whit my sendmail appears as mercedes.gimenez (whihout @uam.es). I have used mungedomain=3Dyes, but mail is bounced back as not list member, and then I have to use a restrict_post whith mercedes.gimenez and mercedes.gimenez@uam.es ,and it request a lot of time. Any ideas???. Thank a lot in advance From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 03:36:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA25675 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 03:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from innovation.capgemini.fr (ns.innovation.capgemini.fr [194.2.88.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id DAA25665 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 03:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from crp.innovation.capgemini.fr (magic.innovation.capgemini.fr [194.2.89.1]) by innovation.capgemini.fr (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA00954 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:32:15 +0200 Received: from jclemass.innovation.capgemini.fr (jclemass.innovation.capgemini.fr [194.2.89.118]) by crp.innovation.capgemini.fr (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA22845 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:33:17 +0200 Received: by jclemass.innovation.capgemini.fr with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3F6A.9DB1A6C0@jclemass.innovation.capgemini.fr>; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:34:40 +0200 Message-ID: <01BC3F6A.9DB1A6C0@jclemass.innovation.capgemini.fr> From: Jean-Charles Lemasson To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:34:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've got a problem using Majordomo-1.94.1 on a DEC OSF machine. Because = we are serving French mailing lists, I've tried to incorporate French = accents on a list.info file. When I am requesting the infos on this list = on the local Majordomo mail server everything is OK. But when I am = trying the same command from a distant mail server, I've got the = following message : 554 toto@mail... Cannot send 8-bit data to 7-bit destination 501 toto@mail... Data format error This message is sent to the majodomo mailer postmaster, but nothing is = sent back to the distant infos request. Without any accent everything is = OK, but that's not what I want... Can anyone help me ? ? ? Many thanks, Jean-Charles Lemasson lemasson@innovation.capgemini.fr From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 06:26:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA09908 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from kparker.nai.net (kparker.nai.net [208.133.166.213]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id GAA09875 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kparker@localhost) by kparker.nai.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA19215; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:12:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:12:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Kenneth W. Parker" To: Marcy Kulic cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Restrict_post In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Another possible solution, Marcy: On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Marcy Kulic wrote: > I have my list configured so that only people subscribed to the list can > post. This is causing me some problems with people whose email addresses > change slightly for various reasons. Example: I'm subscribed to the list > as mkulic@wizard.com, but when I use Pine my email appears from > mkulic@snark.wizard.com. I've worked with some of my subscribers on this, too. Many E-Mail programs allow you to override the domain. I use Pine also. In "Setup/Config", the second option is "user-domain" and, in your case, can be set as "wizard.com" and your mail will go out as mkulic@wizard.com. There are corresponding options in Eudora and Netscape also. Hope this helps! Ken Parker (http://kparker.nai.net) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 06:54:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA11919 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.adelaide.on.net (falcon.adelaide.on.net [203.16.214.248]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id GAA11903; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:43:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rjspc1.ns.com (ppp29.adelaide.on.net.au) by adelaide.on.net (PMDF V5.1-7 #18321) with SMTP id <01IH8Z2ZF8QG002NAQ@adelaide.on.net>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 00:14:01 +0930 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 12:14:41 +0900 From: Richard Sharpe Subject: HyperArchive description ... X-Sender: ns@mail.adelaide.on.net To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970402031441.006c98f4@mail.adelaide.on.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_859916681==_" X-attachments: D:\Readme.1st; Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk --=====================_859916681==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, here is a description of my latest changes to HyperArchive for HyperMail archiving. Available at http://www.ns.aus.com/download/hyperarchive.tgz --=====================_859916681==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HyperArchive Richard Sharpe 2-Apr-1997 sharpe@ns.aus.com 1.0 Introduction There appeared to be a need for a facility to help with creating hypermail archives for mailing lists. To fill that need I created HyperArchive, which consists of two things: - harchive2.pl, a modified Majordomo archive2.pl which calls hypermail on the fly in a safe fashion to build hypermail archives of mailing list mail, and includes some useful extensions around the archive periods that can be used. - hyperarchive, a CGI script that provides a front end to the hypermail archives. It allows system managers to customise to a great extent the way in which the actual archives sets are displayed. HyperArchive is available at: http://www.ns.aus.com/download/hyperarchive.tgz Subsequent sections describe each component in more detail. 2.0 harchive2.pl This perl script is an extension of archive2.pl. Archives are written to the directory specified by the -f flag to harchive2.pl. They are witten as directories in the format: all for a single arhive where no period flag is specified 97 for a year long archive for 1997 9704 for the month of April, 1997 9703-04 for the months of March and April, 1997 It takes the following extra flags over and above those accepted by archive2.pl: . -Dnn where nn is a number of days. The archive is created as yymmdd-mmdd in the directory specified by the -f flag . -Mn where n is a number of months. The archive is created as yymm-mm in the directory specified by the -f flag . -Yn where n is a number of years. The archive is created as yy-yy in the directory specified by the -f flag In addition, it uses lock files to synchronize multiple instances of harchive2.pl that may be operating on the same achive, since sendmail will start up as many as it needs. If it finds a .descrip file in the directory specifed by the -f flag, the contents of this file will be passed to hypermail as the description of the archive. It should contain something short like: HyperArchive Mailing List. If it finds a .info.html file in the directory specified by the -f flag, the name of that file will be passed in as more information on the archive via the -b flag. Finally, since it is running as Majordomo, the archive directories and files do not need o+w permission, improving the security of your archives. 3.0 hyperarchive This CGI script in perl acts as a front end to the hypermail archives. It is invoked as http://your.host/cgi-bin/hyperarchive or as http://your.host/cgi-bin/hyperarchive?archive If invoked using the first form, it lists all the hypermail archives set up using HyperArchive at your site. If invoked using the second form, it lists the hypermail archives for that hyperarchive. In each case it looks for and displays the following three files: .main-head This file must contain valid HTML and is sent to the client first up. It could contain a description, graphics, whatever. .list-pre This file must contain valid HTML and is sent to the client just before the archives are listed. It might format the page as a two column list with some comments in the left hand column and the list proper in the right hand column .list-post This file must also contain valid HTML and is sent to the client after the archives are listed. It would properly terminat the HTML and may contain trailing comments. 4.0 To Do If there is sufficient interest, the following could be done: - Convert to a better parameter passing mechanism, eg hyperarchive?parm=val so that extra functionality can be implemented. Ie, searching, etc. --=====================_859916681==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Regards ------- Richard Sharpe, sharpe@ns.aus.com NS Computer Software and Services P/L, Ph: +61-8-8281-0063, FAX: +61-8-8250-2080, WWW: http://www.ns.aus.com NS is an OS-neutral, equal-HTTP-server opportunity employer! --=====================_859916681==_-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 07:40:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA17395 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA17380 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA15861 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:27:58 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA05032 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:27:57 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA02739; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:27:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA13126; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:27:54 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704021527.JAA13126@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: problems installing majordomo on linux To: kirsan@worldnet.att.net (Kirk Sansom) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:27:54 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com In-Reply-To: <33421F3D.64DF@worldnet.att.net> from "Kirk Sansom" at Apr 2, 97 00:56:29 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Kirk Sansom writes: ] > > starship:/majordomo# make install > Testing for perl (/usr/bin/)... > Configuring scripts... > /bin/bash: /usr/bin/: is a directory > make: *** [config-scripts] Error 126 I somehow doubt that /usr/bin/ is your Perl binary. The instructions say: -> # Put the location of your Perl binary here: -> PERL = /bin/perl You probably meant to say PERL = /usr/bin/perl -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 08:07:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA20893 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA20884 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA18709 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:57:34 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA06393 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:57:32 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA09135; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:57:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA14868; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:57:30 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704021557.JAA14868@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: problem with config test of majordomo 1.94.1 To: garey@nobi.honte.es (User GareyGarey Mills) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:57:30 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (Majordomo user's mailing list) In-Reply-To: <199704021522.RAA05855@nobi.honte.es> from "User GareyGarey Mills" at Apr 2, 97 05:22:20 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Redirected to majordomo-users ] [ User GareyGarey Mills writes: ] > > /(^|([^\\"]|\\.)+)"([^\\"]|\\.|$)*"?/: regexp *+ operand could be empty at majordomo.pl line 519, <_GEN_2> line 1. This is a known problem in 1.94.1 when Perl 4 is used. Either get the patch from the Mj-users archives (9612 or 9701 should have it) or upgrade to Perl 5. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 08:22:45 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA21861 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from vyger.net (vyger.net [206.11.200.208]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA21847 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (greg@localhost) by vyger.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08335 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:14:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:14:43 -0600 (CST) From: Greg Blakely To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Thanks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk A note of thanks to all who replied about my listname.restrict file. I put each poster on his/her own separate line, and it now works. Thanks again. --- Greg Blakely greg@vyger.net http://www.vyger.net/~greg mn0045@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov greg.blakely@mnwg.cap.gov pgp key: 5E BD 32 60 46 4F 36 40 9A 65 FC 63 52 7A 9E A9 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 08:52:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA23355 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA23336 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet3.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa06912; 2 Apr 97 11:38 EST Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: upgrading from 1.92 to 1.94.1 problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/REPORT; BOUNDARY="0-241704159-859999081=:23630" Content-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-241704159-859999081=:23630 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: I just tried to upgrade my 1.92 to 1.94.1. The config check reports the same error as an attempt so send does below - only it says it about line: 519 of majordomo.pl Is this a known problem? Anyone know a fix? I apologize in advance if this is the most common question making people pull their hair out or something. Im brand new to the list. ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list /(^|([^\\"]|\\.)+)"([^\\"]|\\.|$)*"?/: regexp *+ operand could be empty at /home/majordom/majordomo.pl line 519. 554 "|/home/majordom/wrapper resend -l chinmail -h buffnet4.buffnet.net chinmail-outgoing" ... unknown mailer error 2 --0-241704159-859999081=:23630-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 09:37:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA26004 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from clio.eworks.com (clio.eworks.com [206.65.226.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA25947 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from caldicott by clio.eworks.com via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id KAA15897; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:57:23 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:57:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199704021657.KAA15897@clio.eworks.com> X-Sender: schapin@pop2.eworks.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Sheryl Chapin Subject: Archiving Thanks Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, I know this is a little late, but I wanted to thank everyone who responded to my archiving problems. I have my archiving working fine. (Now I get to try digests :-) Sheryl Chapin eWorks! Inc. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 09:41:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA24996 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA24901 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA23871 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 97 09:52:40 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA08836 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 97 09:52:39 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA03219; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:52:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id TAA15084; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 19:59:43 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199703310159.TAA15084@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: How to fix the subject? To: varoca@ictnet.es.\m.\m (V\mctor Aroca) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 19:59:43 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (Majordomo user's mailing list) In-Reply-To: <33428B00.1A84@ictnet.es> from "V\mctor Aroca" at Apr 2, 97 06:36:16 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Redirected to majordomo-users ] [ V\mctor Aroca writes: ] > > Do you know how to configure Majordomo to fix the subject field like > this?: > > Subject: LIST_NAME: subject > > I've tried with message_header and message_fronter in the config file. Then how did you not notice: # subject_prefix [word] (undef) # This word will be prefixed to the subject line, if it is not # already in the subject. The text is expanded before being used. # The following expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of # the current list, $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from # line, $VERSION, the version of majordomo. subject_prefix = $LIST: -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 10:07:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA03484 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA03476 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA00121 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 97 10:57:05 MST Received: from by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AB11421 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 97 10:57:01 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com ([223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA03356; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:27:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id UAA17262; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:34:07 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199703310234.UAA17262@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: upgrading from 1.92 to 1.94.1 problem To: shovey@buffnet.net (Steve Hovey) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:34:07 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Steve Hovey" at Apr 2, 97 11:38:01 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Steve Hovey writes: ] > > I just tried to upgrade my 1.92 to 1.94.1. The config check reports the > same error as an attempt so send does below - only it says it about line: > 519 of majordomo.pl > > Is this a known problem? Anyone know a fix? I apologize in advance if > this is the most common question making people pull their hair out or > something. Im brand new to the list. > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Message delivered to mailing list > /(^|([^\\"]|\\.)+)"([^\\"]|\\.|$)*"?/: regexp *+ operand could be empty at /home/majordom/majordomo.pl line 519. It's known. Check the majordomo-users.9612 or 9701 archives for a fix. Or upgrade to Perl 5. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 11:07:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA10672 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from user1.channel1.com (user1.channel1.com [199.1.13.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA10578 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:54:03 -0800 (PST) From: benny@user1.channel1.com Received: from seah2.channel1.com (node132.channel1.com [204.96.33.232]) by user1.channel1.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA29312 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:54:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970402140852.00b28870@pop.channel1.com> X-Sender: benny@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:08:54 -0800 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: "S**scribe" within the text of a message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi there, I've recently come across a problem with command words causing posts to bounce as admin requests. The word "s**scribe" within the text of a message sent to an unmoderated list, caused that post to bounce to me as a subscription attempt. Is this normal? The email wasn't addressed to the majordomo, but rather to the list@domain.com. I'm guessing this would cause the same result if any of the list commands were used, although I haven't tested it. Is there a workaround to stop this from occurring? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide, Seah From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 11:37:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA15388 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA15370 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA24328; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:27:52 -0800 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199704021927.LAA24328@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: "S**scribe" within the text of a message To: benny@user1.channel1.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:27:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970402140852.00b28870@pop.channel1.com> from "benny@user1.channel1.com" at Apr 2, 97 02:08:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk If only we had docum...oh wait, I've done this gag lately. In short: Read the manual. It's in there. "Administrivia filter" is what you're looking for. --Kynn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 11:55:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA12726 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA12694 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bfant@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16075; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:11:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:10:59 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fant To: Dave Wolfe , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How to fix the subject? In-Reply-To: <199703310159.TAA15084@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I can see, from Dave's previous post, how it is possilbe to add the sender's name into the subject line using $SENDER. Question: Is it possible in digest format to include the sender's name in the "table of contents," if used, at the beginning of a digest, so thatin digest format, but *not* in individual format, the subject line in the table of contents, but not that of the digest message itself, includes the name of the sender? I don't have access to my majordomo materials just now. Responses appreciated. Bill Fant From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 11:58:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA13698 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA13670 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA06797 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 97 12:18:27 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA14408 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 97 12:18:26 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA11950; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:18:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id WAA17582; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:25:32 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199703310425.WAA17582@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: How to fix the subject? To: bfant@charm.net (Bill Fant) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:25:32 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Bill Fant" at Apr 2, 97 02:10:59 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Bill Fant writes: ] > > Question: Is it possible in digest format to include the sender's name in > the "table of contents," if used, at the beginning of a digest, so thatin > digest format, but *not* in individual format, the subject line in the > table of contents, but not that of the digest message itself, includes > the name of the sender? There was a patch published awhile back that would do that. Check the archives for the last 3 or 4 months. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 12:06:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA16869 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:45:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA16826 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA15157; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:45:10 -0600 (CST) To: benny@user1.channel1.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: "S**scribe" within the text of a message References: <3.0.32.19970402140852.00b28870@pop.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Apr 1997 13:45:09 -0600 In-Reply-To: benny@user1.channel1.com's message of Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:08:54 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "b" == benny writes: b> I've recently come across a problem with command words causing b> posts to bounce as admin requests. Then you must have 'administrivia' turned on in your list's config file. b> The word "s**scribe" within the text of a message sent to an unmoderated b> list, caused that post to bounce to me as a subscription attempt. No, it bounced to you as a possibly misdirected list subscription attempt. You are supposed to read the message and decide if it's a legitimate message or if a clueless user has sent a list command to the wrong address. If you want the message to go through, approve it. b> Is this normal? It is if you turned it on. Look at your list configuration. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 12:08:28 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA19305 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.incontext.ca (home.InContext.Ca [192.139.199.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id MAA19273 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from muscle.incontext.com (muscle.incontext.ca [192.139.199.80]) by home.incontext.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA00722 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:15:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199704022115.QAA00722@home.incontext.ca> From: "Craig McQueen" To: Subject: Re: "S**scribe" within the text of a message Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:05:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Actually, this one bite me too but I did flip the flag and it fixed it, BUT I has someone post a message with the word 'help' in the subject line and it bounced eventhough Administrivia=no ---------- > From: Kynn Bartlett > To: benny@user1.channel1.com > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: "S**scribe" within the text of a message > Date: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 2:27 PM > > > If only we had docum...oh wait, I've done this gag lately. > > In short: Read the manual. It's in there. "Administrivia > filter" is what you're looking for. > > --Kynn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 12:17:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA15175 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from londo.asds.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA15166 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.asds.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA01201 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:30:08 -0500 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA28658; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:30:08 -0500 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: "S**scribe" within the text of a message References: <3.0.32.19970402140852.00b28870@pop.channel1.com> Date: 02 Apr 1997 14:30:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: benny@user1.channel1.com's message of Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:08:54 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.39/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "b" == benny writes: b> I've recently come across a problem with command words causing posts to b> bounce as admin requests. The word "s**scribe" within the text of a b> message sent to an unmoderated list, caused that post to bounce to me as b> a subscription attempt. Is this normal? It is if you have administrivia checking turned on. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0Kzvp6VRH7BJMxHAQFShAP/W66M49atIyOQc4w6L3RTxH4vlA1JA9Fp Uj6pyFs6zHdyu4KkqVAVHIyHPjsM1HyFUanf6HKQuM0a8AL0lfACchGTo9FylHyX hODDAm3FxzILwb6bG/8jCzqtPbyvntJWQxegc41VkBJ5a4QUlBqNV/+dsAQoNBe/ bB18R4BktE8= =T3+x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | include an unknown glowing A Stone & Webster Company | substance which fell to Earth, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | presumably from outer space. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 12:19:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA17402 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA17316 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA09156 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 2 Apr 97 12:49:19 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA15435 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 2 Apr 97 12:49:18 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA04162; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:49:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id WAA15176; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:56:22 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199703310456.WAA15176@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: "S**scribe" within the text of a message To: benny@user1.channel1.com Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:56:22 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970402140852.00b28870@pop.channel1.com> from "user1.channel1.com!benny" at Apr 2, 97 02:08:54 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ uunet!user1.channel1.com!benny writes: ] > > I've recently come across a problem with command words causing posts to > bounce as admin requests. The word "s**scribe" within the text of a > message sent to an unmoderated list, caused that post to bounce to me as a > subscription attempt. Is this normal? The email wasn't addressed to the > majordomo, but rather to the list@domain.com. I'm guessing this would > cause the same result if any of the list commands were used, although I > haven't tested it. Is there a workaround to stop this from occurring? Have you noticed any of these particular sections when you've set up a list config file? # administrivia [bool] (yes) # Look for administrative requests (e.g. subscribe/unsubscribe) and # forward them to the list maintainer instead of the list. administrivia = yes # taboo_body [regexp_array] (undef) # If any line of the body matches one of these regexps, then the # message will be bounced for review. taboo_body << END END Or this when setting up the majordomo.cf file? # Common things that people send to the wrong address. # These are caught in the first 10 lines of the message body # if 'administrivia' is turned on and the message isn't marked approved. # # The code that catches this should transparently redirect # majordomo commands to majordomo. That would give the additional # advantage of not having to add to this silly construct for # each new majordomo command. # $admin_body = <<'END'; /\badd me\b/i /\bdelete me\b/i /\bremove\s+me\b/i /\bchange\b.*\baddress\b/ /\bsubscribe\b/i /^sub\b/i /\bunsubscribe\b/i /^unsub\b/i /\buns\w*b/i /^\s*help\s*$/i /^\s*info\s*$/i /^\s*info\s+\S+\s*$/i /^\s*lists\s*$/i /^\s*which\s*$/i /^\s*which\s+\S+\s*$/i /^\s*index\s*$/i /^\s*index\s+\S+\s*$/i /^\s*who\s*$/i /^\s*who\s+\S+\s*$/i /^\s*get\s+\S+\s*$/i /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i /^\s*approve\b/i /^\s*passwd\b/i /^\s*newinfo\b/i /^\s*config\b/i /^\s*newconfig\b/i /^\s*writeconfig\b/i /^\s*mkdigest\b/i END If you still haven't figured it out, set 'administrivia = no', but strictly at your own risk. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 12:31:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA21150 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.io.com ([204.157.155.6]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA21140 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from maxkilms.nidlink.com (pm1-8.nidlink.com [205.219.220.37]) by mx3.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA18239; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:18:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199704022018.OAA18239@mx3.io.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dataweaver" To: Richard Sharpe Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:12:54 +0007 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: HyperArchive description ... Reply-to: traveler@io.com CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 2 Apr 97 at 12:14, Richard Sharpe wrote: > Hi, > > here is a description of my latest changes to HyperArchive for HyperMail > archiving. > > Available at http://www.ns.aus.com/download/hyperarchive.tgz Sounds interesting; a few questions, however: 1. Where can I find an example of this program in use? 2. Can a majordomo server handle _both_ a hyperarchive _and_ a standard archive, or is it restricted to one or the other? 3. I have a mailing list with an already-existing, very extensive archive already; how much difficulty would Hyperarchive have with it? ------------ Jonathan Lang --------------+----------------------------------- "Dataweaver", mailto:traveler@io.com | The Dogma of Otherness insists "BTfL", mailto:owner-gurpsnet-l@io.com | that all voices deserve a hearing, mailto:owner-gurpsworld-l@lists.io.com | that all points of view have Web: http://www.io.com/~traveler/site.html | something of value to offer. Archive: ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/usr/traveler | --David Brin, "Otherness" From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 12:38:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA23870 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA23718 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA16932; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:36:21 -0600 (CST) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Warning: Guru burnout (Was: "S**scribe" within the text of a message) References: <199704021927.LAA24328@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Apr 1997 14:36:20 -0600 In-Reply-To: Kynn Bartlett's message of Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:27:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "KB" == Kynn Bartlett writes: KB> If only we had docum...oh wait, I've done this gag lately. Well, it's obvious now that several of us have tired of answering the same questions continually. I have tried to do my part by putting up the searchable archive (at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users/) but I can see now that that isn't enough. New users need to be pointed at my (or any other) archives and need to be sent a FAQ. (Hmmm, perhaps an autofaq list option... Hmmm.) We know that the FAQ included with the package simply isn't enough, because people don't bother to read it. Is there a solution? I'll host a Majordomo web page if someone wants to assist with HTML. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 13:22:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA28581 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from hrothgar.gw.com (hrothgar.gw.com [204.80.150.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA28561 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hrothgar.gw.com (jpeek@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hrothgar.gw.com (8.8.5/8.7.Alpha.4/1.34.kim) with ESMTP id QAA19795; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:15:40 -0500 (EST) From: Jerry Peek X-Face: 4'>h,#cS;REmrM.0o;MLO(rQ\6!tC3|K"`%_&L/5r'?`z?YFA'^?O_2;uhDj}[Ezd'KN;UN ]JY>}7NI!3#)pemuo^HLsy?e&d;~eMDvq{tVqg_JaK.QQ>aXK,)ruQhThx8,.X|_@Foa75CW:E[=@U@5dA'(H`V>Vm{d[)S8AcVpGs1Jw,p6w{LF c?o(}7$@3ani]G[joNpQsJ%^kZhox%7\gVhT%uu|8"WXlT=U1:opS-:9hL{kZgxhGvUf?bJ4E X-Mailer: MH 6.8.4 To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: cwilson@slurp.neu.sgi.com cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Warning: Guru burnout (Was: "S**scribe" within the text of a message) References: <199704021927.LAA24328@ayla.idyllmtn.com> In-reply-to: Message from (Jason L Tibbitts III ) of "02 Apr 1997 14:36:20 -0600." Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:15:39 -0700 Message-ID: <19788.860015739@hrothgar.gw.com> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 2 April, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Well, it's obvious now that several of us have tired of answering the same > questions continually. Yup, and it makes for great *reading* on the list too. :-/ I think the Web page is a good idea. I suggest putting a pointer to it in some or all error messages that Majordomo sends, as well as the "help" file. Something like: "For help with this error, see the FAQ or http://..." (I'm cc'ing Chan: maybe in 1.94.2, Chan?) >From the Web page, there could be pointers to the FAQ, to your searchable archives, to the FTP site at GreatCircle for the latest version, etc. etc. My HTML skills are out of date, but I'd volunteer if no one else does. (Actually folks, I hope whoever does the Web page keeps it simple and fast-loading, without important info buried in huge animated graphics files. Let's make it searchable with standard browser search commands, and not require the latest whizzy Java-capable browsers to view it.) -- Jerry Peek, jpeek@jpeek.com, http://www.jpeek.com/~jpeek/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 13:37:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA00470 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:36:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from clio.eworks.com (clio.eworks.com [206.65.226.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA00459 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from caldicott by clio.eworks.com via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id PAA27306; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:33:24 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:33:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199704022133.PAA27306@clio.eworks.com> X-Sender: schapin@pop2.eworks.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Sheryl Chapin Subject: Re: "S**scribe" within the text of a message Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 03:05 PM 4/2/97 -0500, Craig McQueen wrote: >Actually, this one bite me too but I did flip the flag and it >fixed it, BUT I has someone post a message with the >word 'help' in the subject line and it bounced eventhough >Administrivia=no > What is the consequence of having administrivia set to no? Thanks, Sheryl Chapin eWorks! Inc. schapin@eworks.com 612.288.0000 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 13:51:48 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA00971 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ftms.ftms.com (bajor.ftms.com [198.150.23.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA00960 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:41:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brown@localhost) by ftms.ftms.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12598 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:41:59 -0600 (CST) From: Vidiot Message-Id: <199704022141.PAA12598@ftms.ftms.com> Subject: Re: Warning: Guru burnout (Was: "S**scribe" within the text of a message) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:41:59 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <19788.860015739@hrothgar.gw.com> from "Jerry Peek" at Apr 2, 97 02:15:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk e-mail: brown@ftms.com phone: (608) 273-8262 ext: 612 fax: (608) 273-8719 Visit - (Your link to Star Trek and UPN) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 13:58:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA29205 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA29156 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA18682; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:24:05 -0600 (CST) To: Jerry Peek Cc: cwilson@slurp.neu.sgi.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Warning: Guru burnout (Was: "S**scribe" within the text of a message) References: <199704021927.LAA24328@ayla.idyllmtn.com> <19788.860015739@hrothgar.gw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Apr 1997 15:24:04 -0600 In-Reply-To: Jerry Peek's message of Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:15:39 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [Please trim CC list for replies] >>>>> "JP" == Jerry Peek writes: JP> Yup, and it makes for great *reading* on the list too. :-/ Well, the answers tend to get as short as possible. This is an attempt to answer the question (for the fiftieth time) while saving our fingers/wrists. JP> I suggest putting a pointer to it in some or all error messages that JP> Majordomo sends, as well as the "help" file. I wasn't intending to use it as a help page for end users, but instead for installers and list owners. Users behind UUCP links would probably get miffed at being pointed at a web page for assistance. Plus, the contact for them is supposed to be owner-majordomo or owner-list. JP> Something like: "For help with this error, see the FAQ or http://..." JP> (I'm cc'ing Chan: maybe in 1.94.2, Chan?) Hmmm. This could take some time to chug over all of the messages, but there's no reason why the abort routine couldn't spit out some extra info. JP> (Actually folks, I hope whoever does the Web page keeps it simple JP> and fast-loading, without important info buried in huge animated JP> graphics files. I would want to do it like we do the FVWM page. Glitz is left for the other pages we point to. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 14:22:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA01787 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA01648 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (root@augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08088 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (barr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA16028 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:50:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704022150.QAA16028@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Warning: Guru burnout (Was: "S**scribe" within the text of a message) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:15:39 MST." <19788.860015739@hrothgar.gw.com> References: <199704021927.LAA24328@ayla.idyllmtn.com> <19788.860015739@hrothgar.gw.com> X-Face: $+9-wYg.[->94HJ{go[7Q]E!K&hUg7ZhLyCMyq_FU*ca0GazE>^/2BKLcK0bP-'%;Nn?M+am,jlSP>1K$iz@ %'v'FEW{@](U&Ed/}>ju3Ctlr!XwJ27Q)7h2a%"`sz;j:/3EC[mXi@*X@HE1]'ddq$ZX"ePsMyTkeg >zdML.SVvX1W`adGIUD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:49:56 -0500 From: Dave Barr Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In message <19788.860015739@hrothgar.gw.com>, Jerry Peek writes: >On 2 April, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >> Well, it's obvious now that several of us have tired of answering the same >> questions continually. > >Yup, and it makes for great *reading* on the list too. :-/ Yes, I must admit I've been burned out too the last few months wrt majordomo questions. I hope the FAQ hasn't lapsed too much as a result. If someone wants to take it over I'd be willing to give it up. It actually needs a new home anyway. Perhaps it's time to make it an HTML-only FAQ? --Dave From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 14:35:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA01661 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from tor.abc.se (tor.abc.se [192.36.170.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA01642 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from pm1-02.abc.se by tor.abc.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA11631; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:49:49 +0200 Message-Id: <199704022149.XAA11631@tor.abc.se> From: "Mats Dufberg" To: "Jean-Charles Lemasson" Cc: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Date: Wed, 02 Apr 97 23:44:25 +0200 Reply-To: "Mats Dufberg" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (null) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:34:39 +0200, Jean-Charles Lemasson wrote: >I've got a problem using Majordomo-1.94.1 on a DEC OSF machine. Because we are serving French mailing lists, I've tried to incorporate French accents on a list.info file. When I am requesting the infos on this list on the local Majordomo mail server everything is OK. But when I am trying the same command from a distant mail server, I've got the following message : > >554 toto@mail... Cannot send 8-bit data to 7-bit destination >501 toto@mail... Data format error > >This message is sent to the majodomo mailer postmaster, but nothing is sent back to the distant infos request. Without any accent everything is OK, but that's not what I want... Your mailserver seems to be configured in accordance with the ESMTP protocol for handling email with high octets (characters with decimal value over 127). Traditional SMTP-server (mailserver for Internet mail) is designed not to accept high octets. A mailserver under ESMTP tries to deliver the mail with high octets as it is to the next mailserver only if the next mailserver accepts it. If not it has two options, either returning the mail (as in your case) or encoding the mail according to the MIME protocol. Apparently your server is no installed to do the latter, or it might require that the mail is identified as a valid mail according to the MIME protocol. Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@abc.se From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 15:27:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA11756 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA11716 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:21:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA22856; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:21:11 -0600 (CST) To: Dave Barr Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Warning: Guru burnout (Was: "S**scribe" within the text of a message) References: <199704021927.LAA24328@ayla.idyllmtn.com> <19788.860015739@hrothgar.gw.com> <199704022150.QAA16028@augusta.math.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Apr 1997 17:21:11 -0600 In-Reply-To: Dave Barr's message of Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:49:56 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DB" == Dave Barr writes: DB> If someone wants to take it over I'd be willing to give it up. It DB> actually needs a new home anyway. Perhaps it's time to make it an DB> HTML-only FAQ? I would hope that we would still distribute a text version with the package itself, and to new subscribers of this list. (If we don't do that, why not?) If the FAQ is going to lay fallow, then I'll do my part to keep it up to date, but I'm not sure that my time constraints permit me to maintain it myself. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 16:14:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA14146 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ori.careerexpo.com (vjf.com [205.162.53.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id PAA14057 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from expo (www.hightechcareers.com [205.162.53.10]) by ori.careerexpo.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA16092 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:44:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3342EF63.3F54@vjf.com> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 15:44:35 -0800 From: Jack Lau Organization: Virtual Job Fair X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: need help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk hi, I am installing Majordomo 1.94.1 on Irix 6.2. I have this core dump when I test the configuration with the following command: % echo 'lists' | mail majordomo beginning core dump message: majordomo/usr/local/bin/perl /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1//usr/local/bin/perl /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/majordomo ------ And return mail to owner-majordomo: ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper majordomo" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: majordomo) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Bus error - core dumped 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 138 ------- Could some please tell me what I did wrong? Thank you!!! P.S. I am new to Majordomo. Jack From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 16:51:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA24661 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA24602 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25315; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:46:04 -0600 (CST) To: Jack Lau Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: need help References: <3342EF63.3F54@vjf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Apr 1997 18:46:03 -0600 In-Reply-To: Jack Lau's message of Wed, 02 Apr 1997 15:44:35 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "JL" == Jack Lau writes: JL> hi, I am installing Majordomo 1.94.1 on Irix 6.2. What version of Perl? - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 17:51:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA03358 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx [132.248.250.79]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id RAA03348 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01484 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:55:40 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:55:39 -0600 (CST) From: Antonio Benita To: Majordomo Users Subject: Archived List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I originally configured majordomo with no digest and archiving and now I want to make a list archived but i just get errors when I modify the aliases file. Is it necesary to modify the majordomo.cf??? and what lines should I change in order to get it? Thank you all Sincerely --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Antonio Benita MD Unidad de Neuroinmunologia Instituto Nacional de Neurologia/Instituto de Investigaciones Biomedicas Fax: (525)-5-28-00-95 Tel: (525)-6-06-38-22 ext. 2004 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Departamento de Servicios de Computo Facultad de Medicina Tel: (525)-6-23-23-54 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 2 20:39:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA14476 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.adelaide.on.net (falcon.adelaide.on.net [203.16.214.248]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id UAA14441; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from rjspc1.ns.com (ppp77.adelaide.on.net.au) by adelaide.on.net (PMDF V5.1-7 #18321) with SMTP id <01IH9RYHB2O4002URI@adelaide.on.net>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:01:09 +0930 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 02:01:50 +0900 From: Richard Sharpe Subject: HyperArchive info resend ... X-Sender: ns@mail.adelaide.on.net To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970402170150.006cf804@mail.adelaide.on.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_859966310==_" X-attachments: D:\Readme.1st; Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk --=====================_859966310==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, sorry to resend this, but it seems that in my haste and tiredness last night, I forgot to issue a bin command to ftp and the hyperarchive.tgz file I put up was corrupt. I have put it up again, and verified that I can down load it and unpack it OK, at least with WinZip ... http://www.ns.aus.com/download/hyperarchive.tgz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --=====================_859966310==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HyperArchive Richard Sharpe 2-Apr-1997 sharpe@ns.aus.com 1.0 Introduction There appeared to be a need for a facility to help with creating hypermail archives for mailing lists. To fill that need I created HyperArchive, which consists of two things: - harchive2.pl, a modified Majordomo archive2.pl which calls hypermail on the fly in a safe fashion to build hypermail archives of mailing list mail, and includes some useful extensions around the archive periods that can be used. - hyperarchive, a CGI script that provides a front end to the hypermail archives. It allows system managers to customise to a great extent the way in which the actual archives sets are displayed. HyperArchive is available at: http://www.ns.aus.com/download/hyperarchive.tgz Subsequent sections describe each component in more detail. 2.0 harchive2.pl This perl script is an extension of archive2.pl. Archives are written to the directory specified by the -f flag to harchive2.pl. They are witten as directories in the format: all for a single arhive where no period flag is specified 97 for a year long archive for 1997 9704 for the month of April, 1997 9703-04 for the months of March and April, 1997 It takes the following extra flags over and above those accepted by archive2.pl: . -Dnn where nn is a number of days. The archive is created as yymmdd-mmdd in the directory specified by the -f flag . -Mn where n is a number of months. The archive is created as yymm-mm in the directory specified by the -f flag . -Yn where n is a number of years. The archive is created as yy-yy in the directory specified by the -f flag In addition, it uses lock files to synchronize multiple instances of harchive2.pl that may be operating on the same achive, since sendmail will start up as many as it needs. If it finds a .descrip file in the directory specifed by the -f flag, the contents of this file will be passed to hypermail as the description of the archive. It should contain something short like: HyperArchive Mailing List. If it finds a .info.html file in the directory specified by the -f flag, the name of that file will be passed in as more information on the archive via the -b flag. Finally, since it is running as Majordomo, the archive directories and files do not need o+w permission, improving the security of your archives. 3.0 hyperarchive This CGI script in perl acts as a front end to the hypermail archives. It is invoked as http://your.host/cgi-bin/hyperarchive or as http://your.host/cgi-bin/hyperarchive?archive If invoked using the first form, it lists all the hypermail archives set up using HyperArchive at your site. If invoked using the second form, it lists the hypermail archives for that hyperarchive. In each case it looks for and displays the following three files: .main-head This file must contain valid HTML and is sent to the client first up. It could contain a description, graphics, whatever. .list-pre This file must contain valid HTML and is sent to the client just before the archives are listed. It might format the page as a two column list with some comments in the left hand column and the list proper in the right hand column .list-post This file must also contain valid HTML and is sent to the client after the archives are listed. It would properly terminat the HTML and may contain trailing comments. 4.0 To Do If there is sufficient interest, the following could be done: - Convert to a better parameter passing mechanism, eg hyperarchive?parm=val so that extra functionality can be implemented. Ie, searching, etc. --=====================_859966310==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Regards ------- Richard Sharpe, sharpe@ns.aus.com NS Computer Software and Services P/L, Ph: +61-8-8281-0063, FAX: +61-8-8250-2080, WWW: http://www.ns.aus.com NS is an OS-neutral, equal-HTTP-server opportunity employer! --=====================_859966310==_-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 02:26:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id BAA05559 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from jtnet.com (jtnet.com [165.254.183.41]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id BAA05476; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by jtnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA17849; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 04:51:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 04:51:54 -0500 (EST) From: SysAdmin To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com cc: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: MAJORDOMO 1.94.1 BUG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've just begun to setup majordomo and I think I found a bug in majordomo.pl. In my example, I used test as the list in /var/majordomo/lists. If you set restrict_post in test.config to /var/majordomo/lists/test and set "who_access" to "list". You cannot get a "who", even if you are a user on that list. What I've done to "SEEM" to make it work is add the following ONE LINE: *** majordomo.pl.ORIG Mon Dec 23 10:03:52 1996 --- majordomo.pl Thu Apr 3 04:38:40 1997 *************** *** 791,796 **** --- 791,797 ---- $total = 0; foreach $list (@lists) { + $list =~ s/$listdir\///; next unless (-e "$listdir/$list"); $total += &main'is_list_member($subscriber, $listdir, $list); } Since, I'm completely new at this, can someone tell me if this is okay? Thanks in advance. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 02:52:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA13882 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.pat.dcu.ie (odin.pat.dcu.ie [136.206.36.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id CAA13875 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc_liam.teltec.dcu.ie ([136.206.36.105]) by odin.pat.dcu.ie (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20800; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:49:22 BST Message-Id: <9704031049.AA20800@odin.pat.dcu.ie> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Liam Ward" Organization: Teltec Ireland To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:48:03 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Return-Path in 1.94.2 Reply-To: Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I recently upgraded from 1.93 to 1.94.2 (big jump and a nightmare!). Anyway, I think I've got all the pieces back together now, except for one small problem. In the old days of 1.93, the Return-Path for mail sent was . Nowadays, it's majordom@foo.bar (i.e. the account name for Majordomo). This means that all the bounces are coming to me! Any hints? Thanks, Liam Liam Ward, Video Coding Group Teltec Ireland, DCU, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel : +353-1-7045758 FAX : +353-1-7045092 E-mail : Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE URL : http://www.teltec.dcu.ie/~wardl From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 03:52:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA21388 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 03:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id DAA21312 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 03:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id GAA17671; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id GAA09414; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:48:04 -0500 Message-ID: <19970403064804.SX62246@smoe.org> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:48:04 -0500 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: bfant@charm.net (Bill Fant) Cc: david_wolfe@risc.sps.mot.com (Dave Wolfe), majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How to fix the subject? References: <199703310159.TAA15084@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from "Bill Fant" on Apr 2, 1997 14:10:59 -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Bill Fant writes: > I can see, from Dave's previous post, how it is possilbe to add the > sender's name into the subject line using $SENDER. > > > Question: Is it possible in digest format to include the sender's name in > the "table of contents," if used, at the beginning of a digest, so thatin > digest format, but *not* in individual format, the subject line in the > table of contents, but not that of the digest message itself, includes > the name of the sender? I have a patch for 1.94.1 that does this. See http://www.smoe.org/~jeffw/majordomo/patches.html. Note that this patch will change the digest program so that all digests have the new appearance. It isn't perfect in dealing with very long subject lines (now and then the subject line will wrap). I intend to do some more work on it, but I haven't had the time. This is what the new digest _SUBJECTS_ token looks like: test-digest Sunday, February 16 1997 Volume 02 : Number 026 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NJC: Reflective songs [amelie@juno.com (Amelie R Cabanas-Brown)] Re: NJC: Reflective songs [Grrly1@aol.com] LizStock [Tom Morales milagro4@primenet.com] Re: Pieces of Me? [Angel khendry@ic.sunysb.edu] re: Best New Artist Curse! [Douglas Stephen Garay dsg0001@jove.acs.unt.e] Broomball w/ EDA in the stands [the_kernel@juno.com (Sarah E Kern)] NJC: Freedy Johnston [Rachel Kramer Bussel rkb200@is5.NYU.EDU] Re: NJC: Erykah Badu ["Will, Prince of Insufficient Light" wc81@ao.net] Leah Andreone ["Will, Prince of Insufficient Light" wc81@ao.net] Re: NJC: Reflective songs [amelie@juno.com (Amelie R Cabanas-Brown)] From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 04:52:04 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA26840 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 04:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from myinternet.net (tapthis.magic.net.au [203.28.52.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id EAA26833 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 04:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from skeeve@localhost) by myinternet.net (3.0b1/Skeeve) id WAA21816 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:37:53 +1000 Message-Id: <199704031237.WAA21816@myinternet.net> Subject: stopping certain sites/users posting To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:37:53 +1000 (EST) From: skeeve@skeeve.net (Skeeve Stevens) X-Http-Homepage: http://www.skeeve.net/ X-Phone-Number: 0414 753 383 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk anyone know how (with 1.94) to stop certain accounts/sites posting to your lists? --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Skeeve Stevens - MyInternet personal.url: http://www.skeeve.net/ | | email://skeeve@skeeve.net/ work.url: http://www.myinternet.net/ | | phone://612.9869.3334/ mobile://0414.SKEEVE/ [753-383] | | No kids, no chat room, no smiley faces. | | - This email is (c) 1997 by Skeeve Stevens - All rights reserved - | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 04:56:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA27437 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 04:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from tpone.telepac.pt (tpone.telepac.pt [194.65.3.20]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id EAA27430 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 04:43:47 -0800 (PST) From: jslour@nervo.com Received: from mail.telepac.pt (netpac.telepac.pt [194.65.3.35]) by tpone.telepac.pt (8.6.12/1.0) with ESMTP id NAA14817 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:44:37 GMT Received: from www.telepac.pt (sh2_p15.telepac.pt [194.65.8.89]) by mail.telepac.pt (8.8.4/0.0) with SMTP id NAA09422 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:44:33 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970403134251.006a85dc@mail.telepac.pt> X-Sender: j2srg@mail.telepac.pt X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 13:43:53 +0100 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: using special characters like accents or tildes with Majordomo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all, When I use special characters like accents or tildes in the body of the message the charset="iso-8859-1" isn't processed . However in the Subject it works fine. See below: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E3=E3=E3=E3=E3=7E=7Ea?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E3=E3=E3=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5~=B4i=ED=ED=ED=EDi =E1=E1=E1=E1=E1 Anyone can explain me why this is happening. Thanks in advance. Regards, Jose From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 06:57:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA05263 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA05251 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA13907 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 07:49:56 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA10822 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 07:49:55 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA22920; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:49:55 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA14360; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:49:53 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031449.IAA14360@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Archived List To: abenita@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (Antonio Benita) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:49:53 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Antonio Benita" at Apr 2, 97 08:55:39 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Antonio Benita writes: ] > > I originally configured majordomo with no digest and archiving and now I > want to make a list archived but i just get errors when I modify the > aliases file. > > Is it necesary to modify the majordomo.cf? No, but since archiving is list specific, you might want to adjust some list config parameters. You need to show us the error messages. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 07:10:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA05922 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA05907; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA14700 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 07:59:50 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA11196 for majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 07:59:49 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA08488; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:59:48 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA13890; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:59:46 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031459.IAA13890@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: MAJORDOMO 1.94.1 BUG To: root@jtnet.com (SysAdmin) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:59:46 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "SysAdmin" at Apr 3, 97 04:51:54 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ SysAdmin writes: ] > > I've just begun to setup majordomo and I think I found a bug in > majordomo.pl. > > In my example, I used test as the list in /var/majordomo/lists. > > If you set restrict_post in test.config to /var/majordomo/lists/test > and set "who_access" to "list". You cannot get a "who", even if you are a > user on that list. > > What I've done to "SEEM" to make it work is add the following ONE LINE: [deleted] This is a know problem and a patch exists (below). Your patch doesn't take absolute paths other than $listdir into account. --- majordomo-1.94.1/majordomo.pl Mon Dec 23 09:03:52 1996 +++ majordomo-1.94.1+/majordomo.pl Wed Feb 26 09:01:11 1997 @@ -791,8 +796,8 @@ $total = 0; foreach $list (@lists) { - next unless (-e "$listdir/$list"); - $total += &main'is_list_member($subscriber, $listdir, $list); + $list = "$listdir/$list" unless ($list =~ m|^/|); + $total += &main'is_list_member($subscriber, "", $list); } print STDERR "access_check: exit\n" if $DEBUG; return $total; -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 07:22:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA07816 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA07805 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA16104 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 08:14:34 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA11790 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 08:14:33 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA08759; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:14:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA14882; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:14:30 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031514.JAA14882@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: stopping certain sites/users posting To: skeeve@skeeve.net (Skeeve Stevens) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:14:29 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199704031237.WAA21816@myinternet.net> from "Skeeve Stevens" at Apr 3, 97 10:37:53 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Skeeve Stevens writes: ] > > anyone know how (with 1.94) to stop certain accounts/sites posting to your > lists? Yes, but you probably want them to not be able to post to *your* lists. In that case, take a look at the 'restrict_post' parameter in the list .config files. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 07:27:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA08362 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA08335 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA16477 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 08:18:39 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA11937 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 08:18:37 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA23369; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:18:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA14920; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:18:35 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031518.JAA14920@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: using special characters like accents or tildes with Majordomo To: jslour@nervo.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:18:35 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970403134251.006a85dc@mail.telepac.pt> from "nervo.com!jslour" at Apr 3, 97 01:43:53 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ uunet!nervo.com!jslour writes: ] > > When I use special characters like accents or tildes in the body of the > message the charset="iso-8859-1" isn't processed . > However in the Subject it works fine. What does this have to do with Majordomo? Sounds like a mail reader problem to me. On the other hand, if you're referring to Mj digests, Mj doesn't know MIME from mimes (yet). -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 07:35:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA07351 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA07119 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA15495 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 08:08:51 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA11549 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 08:08:50 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA23239; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:08:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA15054; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:08:48 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031508.JAA15054@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Return-Path in 1.94.2 To: Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:08:47 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <9704031049.AA20800@odin.pat.dcu.ie> from "Liam Ward" at Apr 3, 97 11:48:03 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Liam Ward writes: ] > > I recently upgraded from 1.93 to 1.94.2 (big jump and a nightmare!). > Anyway, I think I've got all the pieces back together now, except for > one small problem. In the old days of 1.93, the Return-Path for mail > sent was . Nowadays, it's majordom@foo.bar (i.e. > the account name for Majordomo). This means that all the bounces are > coming to me! Who do you have 'sender' configured as in your list.config file? Are you specifying -f on the resend command line? -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 07:37:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA10316 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from kparker.nai.net (kparker.nai.net [208.133.166.213]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA10231 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kparker@localhost) by kparker.nai.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29846 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:38:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Kenneth W. Parker" To: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Return-Path in 1.94.2 In-Reply-To: <9704031049.AA20800@odin.pat.dcu.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Liam Ward wrote: > I recently upgraded from 1.93 to 1.94.2 (big jump and a nightmare!). Is Majordomo 1.94.2 out now? Have I been asleep? What sort of improvements are there over 1.94.1? Till later, Ken Parker From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 08:22:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA14859 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:15:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk (lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA14846 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:15:10 -0800 (PST) From: David Epstein Message-Id: <29533.199704031615@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA29533; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:15:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: subscribing lots of people simultaneously To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (mju) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:15:46 +0100 (BST) Organization: Maths Institute, Warwick University, Coventry, UK. Acknowledge-To: dbae@maths.warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is there an MJ way of zubscribing lots of people simultaneously? I suppose I could just use my editor if there isn't an MJ way. David Epstein From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 08:37:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA15257 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.starcom.co.ug (mail1.starcom.co.ug [193.219.212.6]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA15239 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail1.starcom.co.ug (8.6.11/1.34) id TAA17265; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:37:29 +0300 Received: (from cnambale@localhost) by mukla.ac.ug (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA02448; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:37:28 +0300 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:37:27 +0300 (GMT+0300) From: Chris Nambale To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: get comand Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, In the list-owner-info file they say that the get command is set by the private_get variable in the config file.I have failed to see this variable. I have set the $filedir and the $filedir.suffix variables in the majordomo.cf file but still cannot see the archive files. I am running linux 2.0.0 and perl 5.003. Thanx From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 08:45:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA14634 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:12:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from shields.shields.com (shields.shields.com [199.92.179.162]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA14605 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nobody@localhost) by shields.shields.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA03447 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:59:14 -0500 Received: from hp897.shields.com(199.92.176.65) by shields.shields.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003444; Thu Apr 3 10:59:03 1997 Received: from peter.shields.com by hp897 with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA07743; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:22:59 -0500 Received: by peter.shields.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC4020.48A909A0@peter.shields.com>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:15:06 -0500 Message-Id: <01BC4020.48A909A0@peter.shields.com> From: Peter Rackley To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Digests Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:15:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I have just installed Majordomo 1.94.1 on my Linux machine. I have set = up my first list, and have also setup a digest for the list. My = question pertains to the digest. Although the digest gets created when = I send the mkdigest command to Majordomo, it does not get mailed to the = recipients on the digest list. Is this correct behavior? I'm not sure = if I should have to manually send the digest out... Here are the = aliases I have setup: majordomo: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" majordom: owner-majordomo majordomo-owner: peter owner-majordomo: majordomo-owner firstlist-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/bin/majordomo/lists/firstlist, = firstlist-digestify firstlist-digestify: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l = firstlist-digest firstlist-digest-outgoing" firstlist-digest: firstlist firstlist-digest-outgoing: = :include:/usr/local/bin/majordomo/lists/firstlist-digest owner-firstlist-digest-outgoing: peter firstlist: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper resend -l firstlist = firstlist-outgoing" firstlist-list: :include:/usr/local/bin/majordomo/lists/firstlist firstlist-owner: peter firstlist-approval: peter owner-firstlist-digest: peter firstlist-digest-owner: peter owner-firstlist: peter firstlist-request: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l = firstlist" firstlist-digest-approval: peter Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Peter@shields.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 08:54:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA18370 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA18318 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA25822 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:52:13 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA15979 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:52:12 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA09469; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:52:10 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id KAA19822; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:52:08 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031652.KAA19822@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Return-Path in 1.94.2 To: kparker@kparker.nai.net (Kenneth W. Parker) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:52:08 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Kenneth W. Parker" at Apr 3, 97 10:38:40 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Kenneth W. Parker writes: ] > > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Liam Ward wrote: > > > I recently upgraded from 1.93 to 1.94.2 (big jump and a nightmare!). > > Is Majordomo 1.94.2 out now? Have I been asleep? > > What sort of improvements are there over 1.94.1? 1.94.2#2 is available, i.e. beta #2. Only those willing to be lab rats need install it and all discussion about experimental releases should take place on Mj-workers, not here. No new features, just bug and doc fixes, mostly from the unofficial patch archive. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 09:07:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA19665 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx [132.248.250.79]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA19657 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA24938; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:03:07 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:03:06 -0600 (CST) From: Antonio Benita To: David Epstein cc: mju Subject: Re: subscribing lots of people simultaneously In-Reply-To: <29533.199704031615@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Is there an MJ way of zubscribing lots of people simultaneously? You can mail majordomo whith multiple commands so may be that could be > I suppose I could just use my editor if there isn't an MJ way. You can edit your list file and there add all the adresses with no problem at all. > > David Epstein > AB From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 09:13:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA18735 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA18726 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA26291 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:56:07 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA16203 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:56:05 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA24945; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:56:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id KAA19844; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:56:02 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031656.KAA19844@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: subscribing lots of people simultaneously To: mareb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (David Epstein) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:56:02 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <29533.199704031615@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "David Epstein" at Apr 3, 97 05:15:46 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ David Epstein writes: ] > > Is there an MJ way of zubscribing lots of people simultaneously? > I suppose I could just use my editor if there isn't an MJ way. You can put more than one command in a message to Mj. Depending on the list's 's*bscribe_policy', you can just do: s*bscribe listname luser1 s*bscribe listname luser2 etc or approve password s*bscribe listname luser1 approve password s*bscribe listname luser2 etc Will I regret this when someone asks how to keep David Epstein from spamming their lists with tons of aol.com subscribers? -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 09:20:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA18490 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from molokai.green-room.com (molokai.green-room.com [206.169.27.130]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA18466 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from marco ([206.169.27.164]) by molokai.green-room.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-29518U60) with SMTP id AAA238; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:45:14 -0800 From: "patrick n. blackburn" Message-Id: <970403084121.ZM14526@marco> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:41:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: David Epstein "subscribing lots of people simultaneously" (Apr 3, 5:15pm) References: <29533.199704031615@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Reply-To: Patrick Blackburn X-Palindrome: Never odd or even. X-Subfamily: Camarasaurinae Nopcsa X-Face: -gg9@NE"lf?M#M+=h!:IE1"SU= sq3;Bl!*VjP#7X:=3Zm]D/reb`hmOypMbBj333x;of..&gK^;7]~q_/> HrI+l55zC~RV, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (mju) Subject: Re: subscribing lots of people simultaneously Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk As the alien ships descended upon us, David Epstein wrote: > Subject: subscribing lots of people simultaneously mareb> Is there an MJ way of zubscribing lots of people simultaneously? mareb> I suppose I could just use my editor if there isn't an MJ way. Less energy to more energy required: Edit the $MAJORDOMO/lists/$LISTNAME directly. I do not believe that the new subs will get a welcome message. Just enter several 'subscribe' statements in a request. Approved, of course. They all will recv a welcome message. Setup MajorCool and just paste them into the 'administer list subscribes' section. They all will recv a welcome message. -- Patrick N. Blackburn Director, Information Systems Green Room Productions 415/289-7100 x120 patrickb@green-room.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 09:24:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA20301 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA20271 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA27656 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 10:08:10 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA16880 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 10:08:08 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA25062; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:08:07 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id LAA19188; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:08:05 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031708.LAA19188@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: get comand To: cnambale@mukla.ac.ug (Chris Nambale) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:08:05 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Chris Nambale" at Apr 3, 97 04:37:27 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Chris Nambale writes: ] > > In the list-owner-info file they say that the get command is set by the > private_get variable in the config file.I have failed to see this variable. > I have set the $filedir and the $filedir.suffix variables in the majordomo.cf > file but still cannot see the archive files. > > I am running linux 2.0.0 and perl 5.003. A little doc bug there. 'private_get' became 'get_access' in 1.94. The archive file must be in the directory "$filedir/$filedir_suffix" and have appropriate permissions for Mj. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 09:30:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA20886 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA20878 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA28398 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 10:14:54 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA17147 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 10:14:52 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA09661; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:14:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id LAA19016; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:14:49 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031714.LAA19016@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Digests To: peter@shields.com (Peter Rackley) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:14:49 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <01BC4020.48A909A0@peter.shields.com> from "Peter Rackley" at Apr 3, 97 11:15:04 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Peter Rackley writes: ] > > Although the digest gets created when I send the mkdigest command to > Majordomo, it does not get mailed to the recipients on the digest > list. Is this correct behavior? I'm not sure if I should have to > manually send the digest out... Here are the aliases I have setup: [ deleted ] No, they should go out automatically. Maybe you need to take a look at the unofficial patches at ftp://sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us/majordomo-patches : digest.1 Add a backslash to value of $V{'TO'} (required for perl 5) digest.2 Supply default value for resend_host if it is unset digest.3 List.config file locking patch (part 2) -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 09:41:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA21831 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from londo.asds.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA21813 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.asds.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA22689 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:24:14 -0500 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA22903; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:24:11 -0500 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: subscribing lots of people simultaneously References: Date: 03 Apr 1997 12:24:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: Antonio Benita's message of Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:03:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "AB" == Antonio Benita writes: AB> You can edit your list file and there add all the adresses with no AB> problem at all. That is a wonderful way to get your list corrupted because you have not locked the file while it is being edited. *NEVER* edit your list files unless you have take steps to ensure that nothing else will be attempting to write to it while you are working on it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0PnuJ6VRH7BJMxHAQGewQQAnujCA6WxRWizRi229KiCCUXKRTRmTdVz NZeVJkLwQOIyfkVmeDOLTkzmqNK/v60s/uHvQjPGbwUaSsKz0UCC2Lm2ZsTe2uUG 7SuomeCiUEbT8kX/LCqqccCBcpqnoEcpAelk8/6KDzUAdRGL+b+djtUaQ5o+bkx6 deP7uG5aEbE= =pMBd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not use Happy Fun Ball on Prescient Technologies, Inc. | concrete. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 09:52:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA23337 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.proper.com (mail.proper.com [206.86.127.224]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA23318 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [165.227.249.100] (dharma.proper.com [165.227.249.100]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17423 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:32:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199704031652.KAA19822@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> References: from "Kenneth W. Parker" at Apr 3, 97 10:38:40 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:39:22 -0800 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Paul Hoffman Subject: MJ 1.94.2 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 8:52 AM -0800 4/3/97, Dave Wolfe wrote: >1.94.2#2 is available, i.e. beta #2. Only those willing to be lab rats >need install it and all discussion about experimental releases should >take place on Mj-workers, not here. No new features, just bug and doc >fixes, mostly from the unofficial patch archive. David, you *will* keep us here informed when 1.94 is post-beta, yes? Keeping up with patches is very difficult to those of non-lab rats (or lab non-rats, as the case might be). --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 10:18:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA25279 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail12.digital.com (mail12.digital.com [192.208.46.20]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA25205 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:52:59 -0800 (PST) From: capen@zk3.dec.com Received: from hunch.zk3.dec.com by mail12.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) id MAA16802; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by hunch.zk3.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Mar96-0342PM) id AA20216; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:43:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9704031743.AA20216@hunch.zk3.dec.com> To: david_wolfe@risc.sps.mot.com Cc: Liam.Ward@teltec.dcu.ie, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, capen@zk3.dec.com Subject: Re: Return-Path in 1.94.2 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 Apr 97 09:08:47 CST." <199704031508.JAA15054@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 12:43:04 -0500 X-Mts: smtp Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Who do you have 'sender' configured as in your list.config file? Are you > specifying -f on the resend command line? I've had the same problem! Tried many variations of both "sender" and "-f". Even tried to hard code it! Still showes up as majordom. I'm still at 1.92. Bill From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 10:25:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA27192 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA27155 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA02201; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:07:46 -0600 (CST) To: Paul Hoffman Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: MJ 1.94.2 References: from "Kenneth W. Parker" at Apr 3, 97 10:38:40 am Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Apr 1997 12:07:45 -0600 In-Reply-To: Paul Hoffman's message of Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:39:22 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "PH" == Paul Hoffman writes: PH> David, you *will* keep us here informed when 1.94 is post-beta, yes? No, we will release 1.94.2 in secret so that nobody uses it. ^_^ Just as always, Chan will make a real announcement. Even to the list that's there for announcements. BTW, 1.94 has been post-beta for a long time now. It's 1.94.2 that isn't yet released. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 10:36:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA27847 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id KAA27830 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA03936 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:13:54 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA19342 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:13:47 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA25738; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:13:46 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id MAA19090; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:13:44 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031813.MAA19090@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: MJ 1.94.2 To: paulh@imc.org (Paul Hoffman) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:13:44 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Paul Hoffman" at Apr 3, 97 09:39:22 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Paul Hoffman writes: ] > > David, you *will* keep us here informed when 1.94 is post-beta, yes? I'm sure Chan will announce it when 1.94.2 is ready for prime time. I just wanted to squelch any rumors as quickly as possible. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 10:37:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA26147 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA26116 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA02649 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:00:12 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA18851 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:00:10 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA09954; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:00:08 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id MAA14896; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:00:06 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031800.MAA14896@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Return-Path in 1.94.2 To: capen@zk3.dec.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:00:06 -0600 (CST) Cc: Liam.Ward@teltec.dcu.ie, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <9704031743.AA20216@hunch.zk3.dec.com> from "capen@zk3.dec.com" at Apr 3, 97 12:43:04 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ capen@zk3.dec.com writes: ] > > > Who do you have 'sender' configured as in your list.config file? Are you > > specifying -f on the resend command line? > > I've had the same problem! Tried many variations of both "sender" and > "-f". Even tried to hard code it! Still showes up as majordom. I'm > still at 1.92. Could this be a "trust" problem, i.e. "majordom" isn't trusted by the MTA and thus won't allow him to set From_ to anything different? -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 10:39:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA29151 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.143]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA29144 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from condor.wien.rhno.columbia.edu (condor.wien.rhno.columbia.edu [128.59.135.20]) by mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07430 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:30:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704031830.NAA07430@mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Russell Steinthal" Organization: Columbia University To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:30:15 -0500 Subject: Re: MJ 1.94.2 In-reply-to: References: <199704031652.KAA19822@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 3 Apr 97 at 9:39, Paul Hoffman wrote: > David, you *will* keep us here informed when 1.94 is post-beta, yes? > Keeping up with patches is very difficult to those of non-lab rats (or lab > non-rats, as the case might be). Just to be clear (and to hopefully save Dave a little typing; he responds often enough), 1.94.1 is the most current released version. 1.94.2 is in beta #2, and I'm sure there will be an official release announcement on mj-users when it becomes non-beta. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Russell Steinthal =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 10:44:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA28413 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id KAA28406 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA04505 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:19:40 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA19605 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:19:38 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA25757; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:19:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id MAA19090; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:13:44 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031813.MAA19090@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: MJ 1.94.2 To: paulh@imc.org (Paul Hoffman) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:13:44 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Paul Hoffman" at Apr 3, 97 09:39:22 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Paul Hoffman writes: ] > > David, you *will* keep us here informed when 1.94 is post-beta, yes? I'm sure Chan will announce it when 1.94.2 is ready for prime time. I just wanted to squelch any rumors as quickly as possible. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 10:47:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA28320 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from webdreams.com (www.webdreams.com [192.80.84.132]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id KAA28267 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by webdreams.com (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/29Aug96-0251AM) id AA06432; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:17:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:17:20 -0500 (EST) From: Brock Rozen To: Paul Hoffman Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: MJ 1.94.2 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Backup: Disable X-Url: http://www.webdreams.com/~brozen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >1.94.2#2 is available, i.e. beta #2. Only those willing to be lab rats > >need install it and all discussion about experimental releases should > >take place on Mj-workers, not here. No new features, just bug and doc > >fixes, mostly from the unofficial patch archive. > > David, you *will* keep us here informed when 1.94 is post-beta, yes? > Keeping up with patches is very difficult to those of non-lab rats (or lab > non-rats, as the case might be). New releases are always announced when they are out of beta. The latest non-beta is 1.94.1, but it too has bugs which 1.94.2#2 fix. Again though, don't get 1.94.2#2 unless you're willing to test. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brock Rozen | brozen@webdreams.com | http://www.webdreams.com/~brozen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 10:49:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA28271 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx [132.248.250.79]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA28223 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27226; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:21:36 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:21:36 -0600 (CST) From: Antonio Benita To: Rich Pieri cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: subscribing lots of people simultaneously In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 3 Apr 1997, Rich Pieri wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >>>>> "AB" == Antonio Benita writes: > > AB> You can edit your list file and there add all the adresses with no > AB> problem at all. > > That is a wonderful way to get your list corrupted because you have not > locked the file while it is being edited. > > *NEVER* edit your list files unless you have take steps to ensure that > nothing else will be attempting to write to it while you are working on > it. Which steps should i take??? Certainly i can do it while i'm creating a new lists don't i? Thanks for the advice > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 4.0 Business Edition > Charset: noconv > > iQCVAwUBM0PnuJ6VRH7BJMxHAQGewQQAnujCA6WxRWizRi229KiCCUXKRTRmTdVz > NZeVJkLwQOIyfkVmeDOLTkzmqNK/v60s/uHvQjPGbwUaSsKz0UCC2Lm2ZsTe2uUG > 7SuomeCiUEbT8kX/LCqqccCBcpqnoEcpAelk8/6KDzUAdRGL+b+djtUaQ5o+bkx6 > deP7uG5aEbE= > =pMBd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > Rich Pieri | Do not use Happy Fun Ball on > Prescient Technologies, Inc. | concrete. > A Stone & Webster Company | > I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 10:52:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA01720 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [198.7.0.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA01688 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from askanas@localhost) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) id NAA18600 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:51:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: malgosia askanas Message-Id: <199704031851.NAA18600@panix4.panix.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Script for konfig file conversion? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Does anybody have a script that generates a 1.94-style konfig file from a 1.92-style konfig file? I am going to upgrade to 1.94 soon, and I dread the task of converting konfig files for something like 90 lists... -m From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 10:57:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA00538 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:42:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from dockmaster.hasp.com (dockmaster.hasp.com [204.5.88.177]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id KAA00467 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) From: john.mckeown@us.aks.com Received: (from news@localhost) by dockmaster.hasp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9-djw) id NAA02452 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:48:26 -0500 Received: from rigel.hasp.com(10.1.1.2) by dockmaster.hasp.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002450; Thu Apr 3 13:47:59 1997 Received: from aries.us.aks.com ([10.1.1.9]) by us.aks.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00885 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:52:38 -0500 Received: by aries.us.aks.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 8525646E.0066BEFE ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:42:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AKS To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: <8525646E.00668CE4.00@aries.us.aks.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:42:11 -0400 Subject: Are Perl 5.001 and Majordomo 1.94.1 compatible? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm new to Majordomo so please excuse the fundamental nature of my questions. Is Perl 5.001 compatible with Majordomo 1.94.1? If not, what version of Majordomo is compatible with Perl 5.001. Thanks, John McKeown John.McKeown@us.aks.com Aladdin Knowledge Systems Inc. www.aks.com 350 Fifth Ave., Suite 6614 NY 10118 Tel: 212-564-5678 Fax: 212-564-3377 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 11:07:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA03828 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.kreative.net ([208.0.26.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA03820 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mac@localhost) by ns.kreative.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) id OAA05620; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:00:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:00:37 -0500 (EST) From: mac test To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk test ignore From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 11:22:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA04444 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:13:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.jcc.co.id (server.jcc.co.id [202.159.5.99]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA04427 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from netgate.jcc.co.id (netgate.jcc.co.id [202.159.5.100]) by server.jcc.co.id (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA18284 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:15:52 +0700 Received: from INTERNET/SpoolDir by netgate.jcc.co.id (Mercury 1.21); 4 Apr 97 02:14:47 GMT +07.00 Received: from SpoolDir by INTERNET (Mercury 1.30); 4 Apr 97 02:14:30 GMT +07.00 Received: from plenary.jcc.co.id by netgate.jcc.co.id (Mercury 1.30); 4 Apr 97 02:14:24 GMT +07.00 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:21:29 +0700 (JVT) From: Nike To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: just testing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Please ignore it. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 11:37:45 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA04760 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA04735 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA04043; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:18:35 -0600 (CST) To: john.mckeown@us.aks.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Are Perl 5.001 and Majordomo 1.94.1 compatible? References: <8525646E.00668CE4.00@aries.us.aks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Apr 1997 13:18:35 -0600 In-Reply-To: john.mckeown@us.aks.com's message of Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:42:11 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "jm" == john mckeown writes: jm> Is Perl 5.001 compatible with Majordomo 1.94.1? Well, the README file says this: You'll need the following to use Majordomo: o Perl, version 4.036 or version 5.002 (or better) Other versions may result in bad results. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 11:41:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA04477 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:14:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA04458 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA09455 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 12:15:00 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA21395 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 12:14:59 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA10299; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:14:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id NAA16414; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:14:56 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031914.NAA16414@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Are Perl 5.001 and Majordomo 1.94.1 compatible? To: john.mckeown@us.aks.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:14:56 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <8525646E.00668CE4.00@aries.us.aks.com> from "us.aks.com!john.mckeown" at Apr 3, 97 01:42:11 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ uunet!us.aks.com!john.mckeown writes: ] > > Is Perl 5.001 compatible with Majordomo 1.94.1? If not, what > version of Majordomo is compatible with Perl 5.001. You have it backwards. Perl 5.003 is compatible with Mj 1.94.1. Seriously, you don't want Perl 5.001. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 11:52:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA06010 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net (relay-7.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA06003 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from siltrain.demon.co.uk ([158.152.16.14]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa0527596; 3 Apr 97 20:07 BST Received: by siltrain.demon.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA01430; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:06:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:06:22 +0100 From: John Hodson Message-Id: <199704031906.UAA01430@siltrain.demon.co.uk> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: lists in wrong dir. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk OK So I know I am doing something daft, but... I had this in my Makefile before installation: W_HOME = /usr/local/majordom I have this in my /usr/local/majordom.cf file $homedir = "/usr/local/majordom" and nothing seemed to work. Then I discovered /usr/local/majordomo! (don't ask me, I didn't make it :-) If I use /usr/local/majordom/wrapper on /usr/local/majordomo/lists/ all seems fine, but confusing... Any ideas what I have done wrong? John From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 12:05:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA05087 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA05079 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA04008; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:17:02 -0600 (CST) To: malgosia askanas Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Script for konfig file conversion? References: <199704031851.NAA18600@panix4.panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Apr 1997 13:17:02 -0600 In-Reply-To: malgosia askanas's message of Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:51:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "ma" == malgosia askanas writes: ma> Does anybody have a script that generates a 1.94-style konfig file from ma> a 1.92-style konfig file? There is no difference in the 'style' of the files. Upgrade Majordomo, then issue a writeconfig for each list to add in the new variables. The only thing you might have to watch out for is the private_* variables, which changed to *_access with slightly different semantics. I don't remember if 1.92 had private_*. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 12:07:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA06499 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA06491 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brennan@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04317; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:53:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:53:00 EST From: Joe Brennan Cc: john.mckeown@us.aks.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Are Perl 5.001 and Majordomo 1.94.1 compatible? In-Reply-To: Your message of 03 Apr 1997 13:18:35 -0600 Message-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Perl 5.001 is not compatible with anything. We found that it the readdir() function did not get all the file names, for example (SunOS). Get rid of it. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 12:12:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA05441 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA05424 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA10291 for askanas@panix.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 12:25:53 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA21736 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 12:25:51 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA10337; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:25:50 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id NAA19784; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:25:48 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704031925.NAA19784@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Script for konfig file conversion? To: askanas@panix.com (malgosia askanas) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:25:48 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199704031851.NAA18600@panix4.panix.com> from "malgosia askanas" at Apr 3, 97 01:51:07 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ malgosia askanas writes: ] > > Does anybody have a script that generates a 1.94-style konfig file from > a 1.92-style konfig file? I am going to upgrade to 1.94 soon, and I dread > the task of converting konfig files for something like 90 lists... All you need to do is mail a 'writeconfig' command for each list (they can be in just one message). While you have the list of lists handy, you'll probably want to retrieve them (via 'config') to look over the new parameters and be sure they're set right. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 12:14:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA04736 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from londo.asds.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA04698 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.asds.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA25744 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:19:12 -0500 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA28659; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:19:12 -0500 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Are Perl 5.001 and Majordomo 1.94.1 compatible? References: <8525646E.00668CE4.00@aries.us.aks.com> Date: 03 Apr 1997 14:19:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: john.mckeown@us.aks.com's message of Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:42:11 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "jm" == john mckeown writes: jm> I'm new to Majordomo so please excuse the fundamental nature of my jm> questions. Is Perl 5.001 compatible with Majordomo 1.94.1? No. jm> If not, what version of Majordomo is compatible with Perl 5.001. None. Get 5.003, or 4.036 and the Mj patches to allow it to work on that version. There are some obnoxious problems with 5.001m that simply aren't worth working around. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0QCr56VRH7BJMxHAQEzzgP9FGsaIMH7/abpDH4UTO4xfQOXPhLWSXrf IsOaSIdOOyX0OsAc0DrF7xx1DOxKLFOcgMCxTkCQGsw8OnPOezMy9iDMKuAnyiTH oiDGP4tKQMY9YNJhgtX+G4+3QEgrPEWHVvOvSJmSBMoul4LrhfLGTVSyHXUZGBgB L1nD+MVVB90= =mK8L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 12:18:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA04677 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from londo.asds.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA04658 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.asds.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA25660 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:17:40 -0500 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA28578; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:17:41 -0500 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: subscribing lots of people simultaneously References: Date: 03 Apr 1997 14:17:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: Antonio Benita's message of Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:21:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "AB" == Antonio Benita writes: >> *NEVER* edit your list files unless you have take steps to ensure that >> nothing else will be attempting to write to it while you are working on >> it. AB> Which steps should i take??? Shutting down sendmail is probalby the easiest if you do not want to mess around with manually locking things. AB> Certainly i can do it while i'm creating a new lists don't i? Yeah... because the list does not yet exist and there are no aliases to route mail through Majordmo. Once a list is active the best way to edit any of the files is through Majordomo's facilities, which is why they exist. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0QCU56VRH7BJMxHAQFbqQP8D2srku9WFKuG4E4fFbwpmrJXiocL890K M5EBMn49Iw71lUotAPDaDZ4t4dM7NwfjibNs+uX4czIL2W/8zXr9yQ/rnEXFuUFi OIk0a+taEH4mc2qbm6eOV69zBz8rZfuUTV/E2qbdelxG9NTnLnbD7x4SzFET4Ywi JkfmLOxKciY= =VdpZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 12:19:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA04047 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sisko.cc.rochester.edu (sisko.cc.rochester.edu [128.151.219.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA04031 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kenr@localhost) by sisko.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA26990 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:08:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:08:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth C Rich Message-Id: <199704031908.OAA26990@sisko.cc.rochester.edu> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: x Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk What's Your Policy? & Survey on bulk email I have a looming issue. We are getting more and more requests to construct large mailing lists encompassing large segments of our student body. In the interests of not hammering the mail spool partition and not cluttering email boxes with junk mail we try to shunt these requests towards a local news group type solutions. We finally caved in for one administrative department that did not have the budget to put flyers in every student postal mail box, and was experiencing very poor results from using news groups to advertise. They promised to keep traffic low and messages small. Recent postings to majordomo-users about list monitoring should help us help them keep their promises; thanks y'all. However the existence of these new large mailing lists is causing a new surge in requests for such bulk mailing services. We fear that we have opened Pandora's mbox. Anyway, what i would like is: 1. Anyone reading this who has access to policies on large mailing list creation and use, and has the right to distribute copies: could you send me a copy of your policies? 2. This message contains a survey on bulk mail technology and practice. If you can't send me policy, maybe you could fill out this survey and get it back to me. Incomplete is OK. Thanks!!! If you would like an arbitrary guideline on whether you should answer I am mostly interested in answers from organizations with mailing lists containing over 100 internal email addresses, or internal user populations of over 200. But I will take any wisdom I can get. We currently have several lists of around 1000 internal email addresses. Our department supports and owns machines with populations of up to 7000 users. -Start of Survey-------------------------------------------------------------- What architectures/OS's do you distribute bulk email from? What architectures/OS's do users receive bulk email on? Does your organization use bulk email as a major means of internal information distribution? If so what complaints to you hear from information distributors? From information recipients? If your organization is an educational institution, how do your bulk email policies differ for students, staff, faculty, administrators? Do you wish you could eliminate or tone down such differences? Do you wish you could increase such differences? What policies or customs govern the size of and traffic on bulk email mlists? What is the maximum size allowed for a list? What is the maximum size allowed for a list whose members are primarily on your own machines? What message size and frequency limits work for your site? How do you enforce frequency limits? What limits do you wish you could enforce? What limits do your users complain about? What other mlist management tools or policies do you wish you had? What kinds of mail spool management tools and policies do you use? How long can personal email sit out in the public mail spool area? For an active user account? For a dormant one? How much personal email can sit out in the public mail spool area? Do you age and delete users' personal email messages left out in the system spool area? If so, do the users complain about this? How do you age and delete messages? Do you do this only for certain classes of messages? Do you offer and promote utilities or services for the management of personal email sitting out in the public spool area, such as aging, deleting, filtering incoming email? To what extent do the users take advantage of these utilities and services? Does your organization use a system-wide email spool (a single mail spool that everyone reads like a bulletin board) as a major means of internal information distribution? How well does that work for the information distributors and the information recipients? What other methods of internal information distribution does your organization use? If your organization uses news, how well does that work for the information distributors and the information recipients? If your organization uses an internal web site, how well does that work for information distributors and the information recipients? From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 12:21:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA08702 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.hypersurf.com (mercury.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA08687 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from aerosmith.newvision.com (port29.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.125]) by mercury.hypersurf.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA21641 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by aerosmith.newvision.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0653; Thu, 03 Apr 97 12:07:07 -0800 To: Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: Coordinating multiple moderators From: "Dewey M. Sasser" Date: 03 Apr 1997 12:07:03 -0800 Message-Id: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.33 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk (Note: Before posting this I RTFM'd, RTFArchive'd, RTFWeb'd and RTF.../1.94.1/FUTURE) Are there any processes/ideas/tools to coordinate list moderation between several people? I realized that for given list "foo-list" I can set it up to be moderated, and I can even make "foo-list-moderator" another mailing list, but I want to: a) spread the load amongst the moderators and b) make sure that two moderators don't approve the same post Even some perl script that does a round-robin remail amongst the moderators would probably work. If such a beast does not exists, could it be added to the "FUTURE" list? (I'm sure Richard Welty would like it, too.) -- Dewey M. Sasser voice: (617) 494-6000 dewey@newvision.com PGP Key from public servers PGP mail preferred. --- Managing software engineers is like herding cats. - unknown From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 13:45:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA05147 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA05098 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA21240 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:33:01 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA26596 for abenita@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:33:00 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA11023; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:32:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id PAA15058; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:32:56 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704032132.PAA15058@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: subscribing lots of people simultaneously To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:32:55 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, abenita@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Apr 3, 97 02:17:41 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Rich Pieri writes: ] > >>>>> "AB" == Antonio Benita writes: > > AB> Certainly i can do it while i'm creating a new lists don't i? > > Yeah... because the list does not yet exist and there are no aliases to > route mail through Majordmo. Well, not exactly. It isn't resend you have to worry about and there's always a majordomo alias around, which is the one that tries to rewrite list files. The moment the list file exists in the directory, various Mj commands can find it, create a default .config file for it, and try to mess with it if you're unlucky enough. If you're going to manually edit a new list file, edit it someplace other than the lists directory and move it into lists when you're done. If it's just a quick correction to an existing list, use "./wrapper medit ...". Lock it too long with medit and you'll create Mj aborts. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 14:00:58 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA05580 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA05560 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA21824 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:39:31 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA26823 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:39:29 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA11074; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:39:28 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id PAA15098; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:39:26 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704032139.PAA15098@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: lists in wrong dir. To: john@worldhq.com (John Hodson) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:39:26 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199704031906.UAA01430@siltrain.demon.co.uk> from "John Hodson" at Apr 3, 97 08:06:22 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ John Hodson writes: ] > > OK So I know I am doing something daft, but... > > I had this in my Makefile before installation: > > W_HOME = /usr/local/majordom > > I have this in my /usr/local/majordom.cf file > > $homedir = "/usr/local/majordom" > > and nothing seemed to work. > > Then I discovered /usr/local/majordomo! (don't ask me, I didn't make it :-) > > If I use /usr/local/majordom/wrapper on /usr/local/majordomo/lists/ all > seems fine, but confusing... What's confusing is which is the *source* directory and which is the *installed* directory. The W_HOME setting would lead me to believe that /usr/local/majordom is the installed directory, but then why does /usr/local/majordomo/lists exist at all? From another installation? If wrapper works on the latter, it's obviously been built for that directory, not the one you claim. I'd get it sorted out where the W_HOME directory is supposed to be (and it must be different than the source directory where Makefile lives), remove the wrapper binary, rebuild, and reinstall. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 14:09:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA06964 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA06937 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA22697 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:49:41 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA27168 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:49:40 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA11122; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:49:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id PAA15098; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:39:26 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704032139.PAA15098@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: lists in wrong dir. To: john@worldhq.com (John Hodson) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:39:26 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199704031906.UAA01430@siltrain.demon.co.uk> from "John Hodson" at Apr 3, 97 08:06:22 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ John Hodson writes: ] > > OK So I know I am doing something daft, but... > > I had this in my Makefile before installation: > > W_HOME = /usr/local/majordom > > I have this in my /usr/local/majordom.cf file > > $homedir = "/usr/local/majordom" > > and nothing seemed to work. > > Then I discovered /usr/local/majordomo! (don't ask me, I didn't make it :-) > > If I use /usr/local/majordom/wrapper on /usr/local/majordomo/lists/ all > seems fine, but confusing... What's confusing is which is the *source* directory and which is the *installed* directory. The W_HOME setting would lead me to believe that /usr/local/majordom is the installed directory, but then why does /usr/local/majordomo/lists exist at all? From another installation? If wrapper works on the latter, it's obviously been built for that directory, not the one you claim. I'd get it sorted out where the W_HOME directory is supposed to be (and it must be different than the source directory where Makefile lives), remove the wrapper binary, rebuild, and reinstall. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 14:16:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA09640 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov (mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.144.120]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA09598 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [137.78.144.194] (lemond.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.144.194]) by mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23560 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:06:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:06:20 -0800 To: Majordomo Users List From: Kelly Feagans Subject: Archives and Permissions ... Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Ok, so I have been beating my head against a wall for almost two hours now. Can somebody point me in the right direction? I am trying to get Majordomo's archive feature to work, but keep running into the same wall: ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- /usr/local/mail/lists/mars-test.archive (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: mars-test-archive) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 /usr/local/mail/lists/mars-test.archive... Can't create output: Permission denied Message delivered to mailing list mars-test-archive Message delivered to mailing list mars-test-outgoing ---- I have set the permissions as 664 (as per the manual), user majordom owns the file, the group is majordom, etc. I have no clue on why Majordomo cannot write to the file. Mail to the test list works fine, with all recipients receiving output. Sorry, I am guessing this question has been asked time and time again. I have however searched through over 1050 messages for the answer. Help? Thanks in advance. kf _______________________________________________________________________ | Kelly Feagans, Network Engineer | | | Mars Global Surveyor | _____ __o | | Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Section 392 | ------ -\ \<, | | email: kfeagans@mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov | ---- ( )/ ( ) | | http://mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov | | |________________________________________|_____________________________| DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions expressed herein are my own and do not, in any way, represent the opinion or policy of JPL. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 14:31:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA04809 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:34:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA04791 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA08540; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:31:52 -0600 (CST) To: "Dewey M. Sasser" Cc: Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: Re: Coordinating multiple moderators References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Apr 1997 15:31:51 -0600 In-Reply-To: "Dewey M. Sasser"'s message of 03 Apr 1997 12:07:03 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 70 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [Warning: far future version discussion follows.] >>>>> "DMS" == Dewey M Sasser writes: DMS> (Note: Before posting this I RTFM'd, RTFArchive'd, RTFWeb'd and DMS> RTF.../1.94.1/FUTURE) Are there any processes/ideas/tools to DMS> coordinate list moderation between several people? Ah, but you haven't been following discussion on majordomo-workers, and you haven't read the last three or four months of developers archives. I suppose that's excusable. ^_^ DMS> a) spread the load amongst the moderators This should be doable without Majordomo's intervention, though I can see a simple method of choosing moderators at random. *boink* in the TODO list. DMS> b) make sure that two moderators don't approve the same post We have (i.e. have discussed and mostly decided upon) a scheme for token-based moderation. This makes it trivial to approve messages without doing through the whole long procedure that's necessary now. Instead you reply to a message or click on a URL (if you're web-enabled). This is a little like subscription confirmation (which will also be enhanced) but applied to moderation. You still have to do complicated things if you want to edit messages before posting them, but you should still be able to do so and enjoy the fact that a token can only be approved or rejected once. (Another possibility that comes to mind is requiring more than one approval for a message. Hmmm, voting and peer review.... *boink* in the TODO list.) DMS> Even some perl script that does a round-robin remail amongst the DMS> moderators would probably work. Well, you could do that now. Should be easy for someone with basic perl (or procmail or shell script, for that matter) knowledge to bang out. DMS> If such a beast does not exists, could it be added to the "FUTURE" DMS> list? I'm not really using FUTURE as a kind of TODO list, but instead as a guide. I think most everything there is in the code, in the design, or at least doable within the constraints of the design. DMS> (I'm sure Richard Welty would like it, too.) Who's Richard Welty? Canned Majordomo][ info follows: Majordomo 2.0 is not released. It is not near release. It is not in beta. It is not in alpha. It is not in any Greek letter, nor in any Egyptian hieroglyphic. It is, sir, a non-program. If you intend to hold your breath waiting for it, call your funeral director now. Majordomo 2.0 is being worked on. Some of the basic infrastructure is done and a proto-implementation exists. The design is still evolving. Discussion about Majordomo 2.0 is ongoing. You are getting sleepy. You will join Majordomo-Workers if you want to discuss 2.0. You will read Majordomo-Workers archives from http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-workers. You will send all of your money to Majordomo Gurus and will hire them for well paying consulting jobs. You will awake feeling rested and at peace. +*SNAP*+ - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 14:46:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA14683 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA14652 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA10975; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:36:10 -0600 (CST) To: Kelly Feagans Cc: Majordomo Users List Subject: Re: Archives and Permissions ... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Apr 1997 16:36:09 -0600 In-Reply-To: Kelly Feagans's message of Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:06:20 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "KF" == Kelly Feagans writes: KF> I am trying to get Majordomo's archive feature to work, but keep KF> running into the same wall: KF> ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- KF> /usr/local/mail/lists/mars-test.archive (unrecoverable error) (expanded KF> from: mars-test-archive) It doesn't look to me like you're using any part of Majordomo's archive feature; you're just asking sendmail to stuff the mail in a file. If you want to do that, the file has to be world writable and all of the directories in its path have to be world executable. If instead you want to actually use the archiving tools that Majordomo comes with, you can check the NEWLIST file for some aliases, or you can do something like the following: list-archive: "|/path/to/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /path/to/archive/dir/list.archive" where /path/to/archive/dir is mode rwx by the majordomo user. The files will be called something like list.archive.9704. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 15:03:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA16922 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:54:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from bcarsde4.localhost (mailgate.nortel.ca [192.58.194.74]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA16915 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:54:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199704032254.OAA16915@honor.greatcircle.com> Received: from bcarsfba.ott.bnr.ca (actually bcarsfba.bnr.ca) by bcarsde4.localhost; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:52:33 -0500 Received: from bnr.ca by bcarsfba.bnr.ca id <18374-0@bcarsfba.bnr.ca>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:45:45 -0500 Date: 03 Apr 1997 17:45 EST To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM From: "Marc Jourdeuil" Subject: Hiding the subscribers Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have set up some internal lists using majordomo 1.93 on HP 9.05. 1-When an email is sent to the list, the "to:" line shows all the subscribers and the list address. How can I hide the subscribers. Regards, Marc Jourdeuil -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Marc Jourdeuil Voice: (613) 763-3332 | | Computer Systems Analyst | | Nortel Technology Pager: (613) 751-4975 | | (formerly known as | | Bell-Northern Research) Fax: (613) 763-2880 | | P.O. Box 3511, Station C | | Ottawa, Canada K1Y 4H7 E-mail: marcj@nortel.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 15:16:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA18646 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA18598 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA23602; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA16708; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:06:25 -0500 Message-ID: <19970403180624.GC22097@smoe.org> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:06:24 -0500 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: dewey@newvision.com (Dewey M. Sasser) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users mailing list) Subject: Re: Coordinating multiple moderators References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from "Dewey M. Sasser" on Apr 3, 1997 12:07:03 -0800 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dewey M. Sasser writes: > (Note: Before posting this I RTFM'd, RTFArchive'd, RTFWeb'd and RTF.../1.94.1/FUTURE) > > Are there any processes/ideas/tools to coordinate list moderation between > several people? > > I realized that for given list "foo-list" I can set it up to be > moderated, and I can even make "foo-list-moderator" another mailing > list, but I want to: > > a) spread the load amongst the moderators I have a perl program that rotates among a group of moderators on a time basis. The list I created it for switches moderators every week. To use it, you create a series of $listname.mod.# files, where # is a sequence number. Each file contains a moderators email address: -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 39 Jul 28 1996 jewel-news.mod.1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 30 Aug 25 1996 jewel-news.mod.2 -rw-r--r-- 1 majordom majordom 34 Oct 6 01:08 jewel-news.mod.3 -rw-r--r-- 1 majordom majordom 31 Aug 1 1996 jewel-news.mod.4 The perl program simply makes a symlink from $listname.mod.on-duty to the appropriate moderator file each time it runs: lrwxrwxrwx 1 majordom majordom 27 Mar 30 01:05 jewel-news.mod.on-duty -> /majordomo/jewel-news.mod.3 You set up the moderator alias to include the 'mod.on-duty' file: jewel-news-approval::include:/majordomo/jewel-news.mod.on-duty Each time the script runs, it sends mail to a notify alias (typically all of the moderators) and announces who the new moderator is, and also who will be the next moderator. The script isn't pretty, but it's worked well for 9 months. If there's interest, I'll clean it up a bit and put it up on my web site. Jeff From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 15:35:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA21406 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from myinternet.net (tapthis.magic.net.au [203.28.52.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA21360 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from skeeve@localhost) by myinternet.net (3.0b1/Skeeve) id JAA29762; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:24:28 +1000 Message-Id: <199704032324.JAA29762@myinternet.net> Subject: Re: stopping certain sites/users posting To: david_wolfe@risc.sps.mot.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:24:28 +1000 (EST) Cc: skeeve@skeeve.net, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199704031514.JAA14882@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> from "Dave Wolfe" at Apr 3, 97 09:14:29 am From: skeeve@skeeve.net (Skeeve Stevens) X-Http-Homepage: http://www.skeeve.net/ X-Phone-Number: 0414 753 383 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You, Dave Wolfe, shaped the electrons to say: + +[ Skeeve Stevens writes: ] +> +> anyone know how (with 1.94) to stop certain accounts/sites posting to your +> lists? + +Yes, but you probably want them to not be able to post to *your* lists. +In that case, take a look at the 'restrict_post' parameter in the list +.config files. from what i can see.. the restrict_post ALLOWS certain people to post. I have a problem with: a) people posting when not on the list b) a nuisance person who keeps posting crap c) i cannot afford the time to moderate the list :( --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Skeeve Stevens - MyInternet personal.url: http://www.skeeve.net/ | | email://skeeve@skeeve.net/ work.url: http://www.myinternet.net/ | | phone://612.9869.3334/ mobile://0414.SKEEVE/ [753-383] | | No kids, no chat room, no smiley faces. | | - This email is (c) 1997 by Skeeve Stevens - All rights reserved - | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 3 16:00:48 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA25647 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.linkport.com (mail.linkport.com [205.162.207.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA25625 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ren.cascadenw.net (ren.linkport.com [205.162.207.201]) by mail.linkport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09283 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:53:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:53:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199704032353.PAA09283@mail.linkport.com> X-Sender: cliff@mail.linkport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Cliff Emberg Subject: Majordomo on BSDI? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just setup Majordomo 1.94.1 on our BSDI 3.0 mail server, and am having a bit of trouble with it. The config-test runs fine, finds no problems at all. However, when you try and run it, it seems to run ok, but complains about not being able to open the log file. I have it logging to it's own home directory (/usr/home/majordomo)... I have an essentially identical setup running under Linux, and it works perfectly. I even tried playing with the permissions, down to making the directory and logfile world writable (temporarily, mind you), to no avail... Anyone have any suggestions? ************************************************************** * Cliff Emberg * cliff@linkport.com * * Systems Administrator * http://www.linkport.com * * LinkPort Communications * * ************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 01:30:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id BAA23123 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 01:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.pat.dcu.ie (odin.pat.dcu.ie [136.206.36.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id BAA23116 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 01:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc_liam.teltec.dcu.ie ([136.206.36.105]) by odin.pat.dcu.ie (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00607; Fri, 4 Apr 97 10:17:21 BST Message-Id: <9704040917.AA00607@odin.pat.dcu.ie> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Liam Ward" Organization: Teltec Ireland To: david_wolfe@risc.sps.mot.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:16:01 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Return-Path in 1.94.2 Reply-To: Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199704031800.MAA14896@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> References: <9704031743.AA20216@hunch.zk3.dec.com> from "capen@zk3.dec.com" at Apr 3, 97 12:43:04 pm X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 3 Apr 97 at 12:00, Dave Wolfe wrote: > Could this be a "trust" problem, i.e. "majordom" isn't trusted by the > MTA and thus won't allow him to set From_ to anything different? Bingo! Well done, Dave, and thanks for your patience. Liam Liam Ward, Video Coding Group Teltec Ireland, DCU, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel : +353-1-7045758 FAX : +353-1-7045092 E-mail : Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE URL : http://www.teltec.dcu.ie/~wardl From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 03:15:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA02965 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:09:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.pat.dcu.ie (odin.pat.dcu.ie [136.206.36.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id DAA02935 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc_liam.teltec.dcu.ie ([136.206.36.105]) by odin.pat.dcu.ie (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01704; Fri, 4 Apr 97 12:08:23 BST Message-Id: <9704041108.AA01704@odin.pat.dcu.ie> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Liam Ward" Organization: Teltec Ireland To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:07:03 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Digest in 1.94.2 Reply-To: Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk OK, now that the Return-Path thing is sorted, I've noticed that digest isn't putting the Subject lines into the header of the digest, e.g.: ==================== Seagulls-digest Friday, April 4 1997 Volume 02 : Number 005 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:27:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Psychology Admin Subject: Hereford game ::: Posted by Psychology Admin ::: Auto-reply posts to Seagulls list - not just to sender ::: Please edit out unnecessary text in replies [rest deleted] ================== The used to be an "In this issue" portion after the digest header. Liam PS If I'm just irritating the developers by reporting these things then say so. Maybe this isn't the kind oif testing you want at this stage. Liam Ward, Video Coding Group Teltec Ireland, DCU, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel : +353-1-7045758 FAX : +353-1-7045092 E-mail : Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE URL : http://www.teltec.dcu.ie/~wardl From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 03:32:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA05938 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id DAA05908 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id GAA03868; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id GAA25755; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:24:53 -0500 Message-ID: <19970404062451.YE00811@smoe.org> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:24:51 -0500 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Digest in 1.94.2 References: <9704041108.AA01704@odin.pat.dcu.ie> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9704041108.AA01704@odin.pat.dcu.ie>; from "Liam Ward" on Apr 4, 1997 12:07:03 +0000 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Liam Ward writes: > OK, now that the Return-Path thing is sorted, I've noticed that digest isn't > putting the Subject lines into the header of the digest, e.g.: > > > ==================== > > Seagulls-digest Friday, April 4 1997 Volume 02 : Number 005 Have you set up the message_fronter? It's not a default. # message_fronter [string_array] (undef) # Text to be prepended to the beginning of all messages posted to # the list. The text is expanded before being used. The following # expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of the current # list, $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from line, $VERSION, # the version of majordomo. If used in a digest, only the expansion # token _SUBJECTS_ is available, and it expands to the list of # message subjects in the digest message_fronter << END - Today's Subjects: - ----------------- - _SUBJECTS_ END From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 04:30:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA09813 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw.greenpeace.org (fw.greenpeace.org [193.67.176.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id EAA09806 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fwmaster@localhost) by fw.greenpeace.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) id OAA04586 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:22:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from solair.nli.gl3(192.168.31.3) by fw.greenpeace.org via smap (V1.3) id sma004512; Fri, 4 Apr 97 14:22:22 +0200 Received: from bb.uk.gl3 (root@bb.uk.gl3 [192.168.44.35]) by solair.nli.gl3 (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA14381 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:22:20 +0200 Received: from comms.UUCP (uucomms@localhost) by bb.uk.gl3 (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id NAA04648 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:25:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199704041225.NAA04648@bb.uk.gl3> Received: from SIDNEY by comms.gl3 (PMail+UDG MercWaf v0.03 16.01.97) id 8781 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:28:46 GMT +0000 From: "Michiel Dethmers" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:27:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Avoid sending to listname-outgoing? Reply-to: michiel@comms.greenpeace.org CC: michiel@comms.greenpeace.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) + MercWaf v0.03 16.01.97 Organization: Greenpeace Communications Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm new to this list, and I tried going through the archives about this, but it's rather large... I was wondering whether there is anything to avoid people sending to listname-outgoing directly. Does anyone have experience with this? I can only think of an option to make it not as abvious as listname-outgoing, but it's not really a solution. Thanks in advance. Michiel Dethmers Michiel Dethmers Greenpeace Communications The Chandlery Unit 114, 50 Westminster Bridge Rd London SE1 7QY UK From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 06:31:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA13191 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA13184 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA16829 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:16:27 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA16911 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:16:25 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA06986; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:16:24 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA06796; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:16:22 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704041416.IAA06796@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: stopping certain sites/users posting To: skeeve@skeeve.net (Skeeve Stevens) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:16:22 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (Majordomo user's mailing list) In-Reply-To: <199704032324.JAA29762@myinternet.net> from "Skeeve Stevens" at Apr 4, 97 09:24:28 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Skeeve Stevens writes: ] > > from what i can see.. the restrict_post ALLOWS certain people to post. And thus the ABSENCE of other people from the 'restrict_post' list DISALLOWS their posting... > I have a problem with: > a) people posting when not on the list > b) a nuisance person who keeps posting crap > c) i cannot afford the time to moderate the list :( All solved by 'restrict_post'. Simply point it at a file (perhaps the list file itself, or even another "hidden" list file so that you can "subscribe" posters via e-mail, or just an ordinary non-list file that you manually edit) and enter only those addresses you want to allow to post. Posts from anyone not in that list will be bounced to the list owner for approval or "other action" (including non-action). Note that if the 'restrict_post' file is *not* a list but is in the lists directory, it should contain a '.' (or other non-alphanumeric, non-hyphen, non-underscore) character in the name so Mj doesn't think it's a list. Relative file names (i.e. don't begin with '/') are assumed to be in the lists directory. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 07:15:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA14415 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:45:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA14408 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA18805 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:43:59 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA17795 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:43:58 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA07280; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:43:57 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA18034; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:43:56 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704041443.IAA18034@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Digest in 1.94.2 To: Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:43:55 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <9704041108.AA01704@odin.pat.dcu.ie> from "Liam Ward" at Apr 4, 97 12:07:03 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Liam Ward writes: ] > > PS If I'm just irritating the developers by reporting these things > then say so. Maybe this isn't the kind oif testing you want at this > stage. JFTR, all discussions re unreleased versions should be on majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com and all such testers should be subscribed to that list as well. I suspect you're irritating the non-developers on Mj-users far more than the developers. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 07:18:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA14702 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA14665 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA19118 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:48:05 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA17941 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:48:04 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA15889; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:48:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA18076; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:48:01 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704041448.IAA18076@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Avoid sending to listname-outgoing? To: michiel@comms.greenpeace.org Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:48:00 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199704041225.NAA04648@bb.uk.gl3> from "Michiel Dethmers" at Apr 4, 97 01:27:44 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Michiel Dethmers writes: ] > > I'm new to this list, and I tried going through the archives about > this, but it's rather large... You might want to use the archive at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users since it's searchable. > I was wondering whether there is anything to avoid people sending to > listname-outgoing directly. Does anyone have experience with this? I > can only think of an option to make it not as abvious as > listname-outgoing, but it's not really a solution. Batch mailers, such as Jason's TLB, obviate this by not using any such aliases, but the "time honored" methods are: [ This is canned message hide Sun Sep 24 15:32:30 CDT 1995 ] Here's how you hide your actual mail list alias from list spammers: 1. Pick a non-obvious outgoing list alias name, e.g. "testlist-uzpl" instead of "testlist-outgoing". 2. Turn off EXPN and VRFY in sendmail.cf (Opnoexpn,novrfy). 3. Use a parameter file for resend parameters: testlist: "|/.../wrapper resend @/.../testlist.parms" 4. In the parameter file, specify more recipients than just the outgoing list alias, e.g.: -l testlist -h foo.bar.com testlist-uzpl,nobody (Don't forget to alias "nobody" to /dev/null.) 5. Don't allow any more file permissions than absolutely necessary on any of the Mj files and/or don't allow user logons on the Mj server machine and don't export the file system where the Mj files live. I.e., is it *really* necessary to have world read permissions on anything but the subscriber list file itself? I get along fine with 0660 on all the list.* files and 0664 on the list files. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 08:21:58 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA24497 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from balltown.cma.com (balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA24465 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from skipper (welty@skipper.balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.19]) by balltown.cma.com (8.7.1/CMA02) with SMTP id LAA06555 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:11:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3345282E.59E2B600@balltown.cma.com> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:11:26 -0500 From: richard welty Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: majordomo & exim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk does anyone have any experience running majordomo with the exim drop in sendmail replacement? i'm particularly interested in hearing how the setup performs with large lists. thanks, richard -- work: welty@balltown.cma.com home: rwelty@wizvax.net North American Motorsports Pages: http://www.na-motorsports.com/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 12:48:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA27316 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA27271 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:42:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [153.34.54.47] (Cust47.Max11.Washington.DC.MS.UU.NET [153.34.54.47]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11235 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:40:12 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: wgalkin@charm.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:39:55 +0100 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: wgalkin@lawcircle.com (William S. Galkin) Subject: Multiple Messages Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm new to this list and I hope this question isn't too basic. I have a mail-only list that goes out to about 8,500 people monthly and it's operated by my local ISP. Everything was going fine, except the last two distributions started sending out duplicate messages to the list members. Some got as many as 5 - and they werent' amused. They use 1.93. The ISP is not sure what the problem is or how to control it. They said there are probably some "bad" addresses that caused the sent messages to re-queue. There are several hundred messages that bounce each mailing due to people not unsubscribing from old addresses - and I have yet to spend the time to clean them all up. I am due to make another distribution to the list early next week, but I want to make sure that there are no duplicates. Can anyone help? ************************************* William S. Galkin, Esq. 10451 Mill Run Circle, Suite 400 Owings Mills, Maryland 21117 tel. 410-356-8853 fax 410-356-8804 e-mail wgalkin@lawcircle.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 14:19:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA08265 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id OAA08248 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA29029 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 4 Apr 97 15:10:05 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA05799 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 4 Apr 97 15:10:03 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA13078; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:10:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id QAA17328; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:10:01 -0600 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704042210.QAA17328@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Warning: Guru burnout To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:10:01 -0600 (CST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (Majordomo user's mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "Jason L Tibbitts III" at Apr 02, 97 2:36:20 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Jason L Tibbitts III writes: ] > > Well, it's obvious now that several of us have tired of answering the > same questions continually. I have tried to do my part by putting up > the searchable archive (at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users/) but > I can see now that that isn't enough. > > New users need to be pointed at my (or any other) archives and need to > be sent a FAQ. (Hmmm, perhaps an autofaq list option... Hmmm.) We know > that the FAQ included with the package simply isn't enough, because > people don't bother to read it. > > Is there a solution? I'll host a Majordomo web page if someone wants > to assist with HTML. Maybe this isn't news to others, but I found something called FAQ-O-Matic (by Jon Howell). It's a set of Perl CGI programs that allow users to write the FAQ, including editing answers. All versions are archived in RCS so if someone trashes an answer, the admin just restores a previous version (and maybe removes the trash from the RCS file). The idea is that as folks discover solutions to problems, they enter the question and answer on the FAQ-O-Matic for others to find when they have similar questions. It includes a simple search engine of course and each contributor is asked to include his e-mail address for follow-ups. This apparently works quite well for the Linux on PPC folks although I couldn't find any other traces of anyone using it on the web (not that it's not used on various intranets). I've played with it a little but still need to go through it to be sure it doesn't suffer from, e.g., locking problems like other web BBS systems I've seen. Does this sound like a possible solution? -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 15:03:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA11761 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.8]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id OAA11705 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.8] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 0.53 #1) id E0wDHjH-0004Ps-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:45:07 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:45:07 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: richard welty cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: majordomo & exim In-Reply-To: <3345282E.59E2B600@balltown.cma.com> Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >does anyone have any experience running majordomo with the exim >drop in sendmail replacement? i'm particularly interested in >hearing how the setup performs with large lists. We use it (www.democracy.org.uk / majordomo@democracy.org.uk) without any difficulties and much better performance than we'd expect out of sendmail - our largets list is but 1000 subscribers at the moment though ... Manar From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 15:19:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA13148 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA13131 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA14485; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:47:15 -0600 (CST) To: Dave Wolfe Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo user's mailing list) Subject: Re: Warning: Guru burnout References: <199704042210.QAA17328@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 04 Apr 1997 16:47:14 -0600 In-Reply-To: Dave Wolfe's message of Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:10:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DW" == Dave Wolfe writes: DW> Maybe this isn't news to others, but I found something called DW> FAQ-O-Matic (by Jon Howell). [urp] DW> Does this sound like a possible solution? Well, Dave, if you like it I'll be happy to install it. We still are missing the basics, though; we can put up neat web pages and such, but they have to be told about them. The docs need to be updated for 1.94.2 to at least mention the searchable archives, and the new subscriber info needs to have a pointer, too. Some have asked if I could put a message_footer on this list with the information. Since I don't own these lists, that's not something I can do. Hmmm, another Mj][ idea, footers only on 1 out of n messages. *boink* (If you were using Gnus and had earcons turned on, you could probably hear that.) - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 16:16:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA22629 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA22612 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA14096; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA04118; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:03:57 -0500 Message-ID: <19970404190356.XC57618@smoe.org> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:03:56 -0500 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Cc: david_wolfe@risc.sps.mot.com (Dave Wolfe), majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo user's mailing list) Subject: Re: Warning: Guru burnout References: <199704042210.QAA17328@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from "Jason L Tibbitts III" on Apr 4, 1997 16:47:14 -0600 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jason L Tibbitts III writes: > Hmmm, another Mj][ idea, footers only on 1 out of n messages. *boink* (If > you were using Gnus and had earcons turned on, you could probably hear that.) How about the ability to rotate between a selection of footers as well? Jeff From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 17:30:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA05486 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from vyger.net (vyger.net [206.11.200.208]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id RAA05331 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from vyger (root@vyger.net [206.11.200.208]) by vyger.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04803 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:24:00 -0600 Message-ID: <3345B7C0.22724D9D@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 20:24:00 -0600 From: Greg Blakely Organization: MN Wing Civil Air Patrol X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: [Fwd: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2C4C1BD218CBB92F75B57D6D" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2C4C1BD218CBB92F75B57D6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where would this be coming from? It just started... --------------2C4C1BD218CBB92F75B57D6D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Majordomo-Owner@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov Received: from mnwg.ncr.cap.gov (majordom@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov [206.11.200.217]) by vyger.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04164 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:13:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mnwg.ncr.cap.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA03144; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:08:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:08:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199704041808.MAA03144@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: mnwg.ncr.cap.gov: majordom set sender to Majordomo-Owner@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov using -f To: Majordomo-Owner@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov From: Majordomo@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo) Reply-To: Majordomo@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov -- MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! chown(507, 2, "/usr/local/majordomo/lists/announcements.new"): Operation not permitted --------------2C4C1BD218CBB92F75B57D6D-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 21:00:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA17224 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.fni.com (ns1.fni.com [204.181.104.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id UAA17208 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.fni.com (ns1.fni.com [204.181.104.1]) by ns1.fni.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA14677; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:46:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:46:07 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Brennen To: "William S. Galkin" cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Multiple Messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Could this be a problem with the sendmail queue run interval being too short, where it comes up and runs again before the last one has completed? If you have many bad or unreachable addresses it could slow the delivery process down enough to cause this. I think this can be a problem with sendmail; if someone knows otherwise please correct me. -- Michael On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, William S. Galkin wrote: > I have a mail-only list that goes out to about 8,500 people monthly and > it's operated by my local ISP. Everything was going fine, except the last > two distributions started sending out duplicate messages to the list > members. Some got as many as 5 - and they werent' amused. They use 1.93. > > The ISP is not sure what the problem is or how to control it. They said > there are probably some "bad" addresses that caused the sent messages to > re-queue. There are several hundred messages that bounce each mailing due > to people not unsubscribing from old addresses - and I have yet to spend > the time to clean them all up. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 22:30:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA20261 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.jcc.co.id (server.jcc.co.id [202.159.5.99]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id WAA20244 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.jcc.co.id (server.jcc.co.id [202.159.5.99]) by server.jcc.co.id (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA29818 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:00:02 +0700 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:00:01 +0700 (JVT) From: NIKI HIRIO To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: add 'description' into 'To' field Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear All, I'm new to this list... I want to add description into 'To' field. exmpl: a. I send a message to 'my-list' b. Majordomo (my-list) send me back with description (in 'To' field). ... To: Multiple Recipients of that list ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is anyone know.. how to add that description (Multiple Recipients of that list) ? Thanks. Regards, RAY RAY, Niki Hirio /\ Jakarta Convention Center nike@jcc.co.id __/ \__ http://www.jcc.co.id From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 4 23:01:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA21194 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id WAA21187 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA28231; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 00:45:02 -0600 (CST) To: NIKI HIRIO Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: add 'description' into 'To' field References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Apr 1997 00:45:02 -0600 In-Reply-To: NIKI HIRIO's message of Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:00:01 +0700 (JVT) Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "NH" == NIKI HIRIO writes: NH> I want to add description into 'To' field. Majordomo doesn't modify the To field. The list doesn't even have to be in the To: field; look at this message. I could have made a BCC to the list and it wouldn't appear in the headers at all. NH> is anyone know.. how to add that description (Multiple Recipients of that NH> list) ? You cannot. (And should not, really; the To header isn't the list's to modify.) Some mailing list programs commit this kind of bad behavior and happily mess with the headers, but that isn't something that Majordomo should be emulating. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 07:00:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA06868 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 06:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id GAA06852 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 06:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.147.101.10]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA3107 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:54:42 +0000 Message-ID: <334683F5.2698@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 08:55:17 -0800 From: Kirk Sansom X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: More installation questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've installed majordomo 1.94.1 on my Linux box (it not a web server) for installation testing. Now, I'm trying to install it on my work's web server. So things I didn't pay attention to on my linux box are now very important. Question: While editing the Makefile and majordomo.cf files, I got confused about what address and user is for what. 1) the very first paragraph of the INSTALL file mentions creating a user called majordomo.daemon for majordomo to run. Then it talks about creating a user account for yourself with user/group id equal to daemon in order to administer majordomo without having to change to su. I assume that the two accounts are not the same: one for the software to run with sufficient rights and one for me to carry out manage functions. Right? 2) in the Makefile, you specify the user and group numbers majordomo will runs as. This refers to majordomo.daemon. Right? 3) in the majordomo.cf file, one of the items you are supposed to specify is: $whoami=Who do users send requests to me as? (is this the same as majordomo.daemon? Does this account need daemon grp priveleges, or just an account to receive e-mail commands from users?) Forgive my ignorant questions, but I want to be sure before I continue. Thanks, ks __________________ Kirk Sansom kirsan@worldnet.att.net ksansom@juno.com Jackson, MS From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 07:15:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA07247 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 07:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA07230 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 07:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa11964; 5 Apr 97 10:06 EST Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 10:05:49 -0500 (EST) From: Steve To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: a list that died Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a list that died after I went to 1.94.1 - it says: lostinspace... aliased to "|/home/majordom/wrapper resend -l lostinspace -h buffnet4.buffnet.net lostinspace-outgoing" "|/home/majordom/wrapper resend -l lostinspace -h buffnet4.buffnet.net lostinspace-outgoing"... Connecting to prog... mj_resend: ABORT Mailer /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oee -fowner-lostinspace@buffnet4.buffnet.net lostinspace-outgoing exited unexpectedly with error 17152 "|/home/majordom/wrapper resend -l lostinspace -h buffnet4.buffnet.net lostinspace-outgoing"... Sent My other lists are ok - Any ideas? From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 08:30:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA10276 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 08:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA10269 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 08:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from puter (dc-cno-016.charm.net [206.41.216.16]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08238 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 11:21:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704051621.LAA08238@fellspt.charm.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Fant" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 11:21:41 -0500 Subject: Digest 'from' line - v.1.93 In-reply-to: <01BC39C1.C2F15B00@hd62-197.compuserve.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk All of a sudden, seemingly apropos of nothing, some things have changed with my digest. It seems to be not digestifying the way it was before, and the 'from' header has changed. Where the from header had been 'owner-list-digest' it is now '(List- Digest)'. Also, it is not digestifying the way it should; I'm not sure if this is exactly coincident with the change in the 'from' header. Several days before, the ISP changed operating systems. This event definitely was not exactly coincident with the problems now encountered with the digest, but I realize some tweaking may have been going on in the background. One change that may affect the digest is that what was '/bin/mail' is now '/usr/bin/mail'. Doing a manual mkdigest appears to work fine. And I'm not certain that automatic digests no longer work, but that program doesn't kick in the minute the byte limit is exceeded, the way it used to. Thanks for any help, Bill Fant From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 09:01:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA13739 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 08:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtualand.net (www.virtualand.net [192.41.29.57]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA13706 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 08:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from violator-server (modem03.plugway.com.br [200.238.225.112]) by virtualand.net (8.8.5) id JAA05709; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 09:58:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199704051658.JAA05709@virtualand.net> X-Authentication-Warning: virtualand.net: Host modem03.plugway.com.br [200.238.225.112] claimed to be violator-server From: "Vladimir Amarante" To: Subject: Restrict Post Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 12:43:32 -0300 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, What can I do to restrict post to my lists? I want only the subscribers posting to the list. (This will help prevent mail spam, too...) ----- Thank you, Vladimir Amarante vladimir@virtualand.net suporte@virtualand.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 13:15:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA27654 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA27647 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from gates.idyllmtn.com (gates.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.103]) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11946; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:07:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970405130817.00a473b4@mail.idyllmtn.com> X-Sender: kynn@mail.idyllmtn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 13:08:22 -0800 To: "Vladimir Amarante" From: Kynn Bartlett Subject: Re: Restrict Post Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 12:43 PM 4/5/97 -0300, Vladimir Amarante wrote: > What can I do to restrict post to my lists? > I want only the subscribers posting to the list. > (This will help prevent mail spam, too...) Maybe you could read the documentation, including the FAQ and the konfig files themselves. Is it that much easier to bother a couple hundred people instead of doing your homework first? -- /\ /\ /\ /\ Kynn Bartlett / kynn@idyllmtn.com / \ / \/ \ / \ Idyll Mountain Internet / \ //\ /\ \ / \ '_| _` // \/ \__\ '_| _` Latest site: http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 16:34:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA03028 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from odysseus.sae.gr (odysseus.sae.gr [194.219.29.71]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA03012 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from volida (volida.sae.gr [194.219.29.90]) by odysseus.sae.gr (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02174 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 02:29:50 +0300 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970406032444.00b2fcb0@odysseus.sae.gr> X-Sender: gmich@odysseus.sae.gr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 03:29:35 +0300 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: "George A. Michalopoulos" Subject: Majordomo <=> Innd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk if anyone made it work, please answer in personal mail. by now, i can only send list mail to innd. thank you in advance, .."kai osoi kratoyn filies apo to '65, 12 para pente, exw kati na toys pw".. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- omich@hyper.gr => The youngest Internet User! http://hypernet.hyper.gr/~gmich/omich =>Take a look NOW ! George A. Michalopoulos e-mail gmich@sae.gr e-mail gmich@hyper.gr WWW http://hypernet.hyper.gr/~gmich 3 Hilonos Str. - 546 45 GR GREECE Tel. ++30 (31) 867860, 256394, (392) 72272 (office) Tel. ++30 (31) 868414 (home) Fax ++30 (31) 848770 (data also) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 17:34:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA06111 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 17:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from planetx.org (planetx.org [205.179.247.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id RAA06104 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 17:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from d168.netgate.net (d168.netgate.net [205.214.160.208]) by planetx.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04409 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 17:15:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 17:15:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199704060115.RAA04409@planetx.org> X-Sender: jenn@ghidora.planetx.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Jenn Accettola Subject: list policy and preferences Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi -- I'm new to the list but I thought I'd ask this question anyway ... I'm really interested in getting some sample administration policies for lists that are expected to grow. I'm managing a list for a new webgrrls chapter and a separate list for the steering committee of that group. Though we haven't had our first general meeting, we've got nearly 100 members right now. I've got some ideas about what I'd like to say and hoped to see some samples. I would also like to find out what list owners think about "reply to"-- I've set this as the list on both the general and lead list, and folks seem happy with that. I've also done this on a private list I am managing, but have gotten a few complaints from people who like to see the sender's name poop up automatically when they do a "reply to" a message. Is there any way to put both the sender and the list in the reply to WITHOUT sending the same message to the same person twice (like some kind of filter in majordomo)... that way, the user would be able to delete one of the addresses if s/he so desired.... If I'm totally unclear, please let me know. Thanks! Ciao, Jenn The revolution will not be televised. jenn@planetx.org http://www.planetx.org/~jenn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 19:54:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA13117 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 19:40:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id TAA13104 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 19:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.kreative.net ([208.0.26.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA14158 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from default ([208.0.26.108]) by ns.kreative.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11210 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:14:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33446536.4311@kreative.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 21:19:34 -0500 From: gnat Reply-To: gnat@kreative.net Organization: Kreative Access X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Majordomo question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I hope this posts! For some reason, none of my entries are being posted to the group! I have to accounts that subscribe to this list, and Ive tried it from both sides, and only one posted, and that was a test!!! OK, PERL5 MJ 1.94 Unix BSDI box Sendmail 8.3?? Majorodmo user: majordomo Majordomo grp: daemon wrapper: owned by root Im having a problem w/the unsubscribe function. The subscribe, and list and other functions work fine, but I cant get the unsubscribe to work. If other functions, work then that means I did the wrapper correct, right? Well anyway here is the response I get back from Majordomo MAJORDOMO ABORT Can't append to /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94/lists/baseball: Permission denied So, I chmod 777, and it still doesnt work! Also, when I first try an unsubscribe it creates a .new file and its owned by daemon.daemon??? Any ideas??? rich from kreative access From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 20:01:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA12997 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 19:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id TAA12979 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 19:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.adelaide.on.net (falcon.adelaide.on.net [203.16.214.248]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA05353 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rjspc1.ns.com (ppp63.adelaide.on.net.au) by adelaide.on.net (PMDF V5.1-7 #18321) with SMTP id <01IHARTKAFYI002ASW@adelaide.on.net> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:07:58 +0930 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 19:08:38 +0900 From: Richard Sharpe Subject: Re: subscribing lots of people simultaneously X-Sender: ns@mail.adelaide.on.net To: David Epstein Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970403100838.006d3a74@mail.adelaide.on.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 05:15 PM 4/3/97 +0100, you wrote: >Is there an MJ way of zubscribing lots of people simultaneously? >I suppose I could just use my editor if there isn't an MJ way. > >David Epstein > A great deal of care needs to be taken that the names you subscribe (the mail addresses) are correct. I was helping a university set up a mailing list (actually 3 that send to each other). These lists were for students. With one list contaning ~160 names and another about 90, the academics involved were reluctant to dealyt with that many approves. So, I added the names manually. One academic gave me a list of student numbers and the algorithm to construct mail names. Perl did the rest. I got one bad name out of 159. The othr acadmeic gave me a list of names (First, Second, ... Last), and it looked easy to construct names. Turned out not to be so easy. The list was incorrect with names like O'Shea (it had O Shea), and not all students were on the host I assumed they were. Got about 14 bad addresses out of 90. So, people posting to the list got bounces because of these problems, and even though their messages had been posted, they were confused. 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From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 20:04:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA13009 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 19:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id TAA13001 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 19:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx [132.248.250.79]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA12020 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03668 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:24:23 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:24:23 -0600 (CST) From: Antonio Benita To: Majordomo Users Subject: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/REPORT; REPORT-TYPE=delivery-status; BOUNDARY="RAB03651.860109706/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx" Content-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --RAB03651.860109706/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: This is the error message I got when i try to digest and archive the list "test" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:21:46 -0600 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: owner-test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Subject: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken The original message was received at Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:21:40 -0600 from majordomo.daemon@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- test-outgoing :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l ...majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/archive/test/test.archive" (expanded from: test-outgoing) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l ...majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/archive/test/test.archive"... Cannot open /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing: No such file or directory Message delivered to mailing list test-outgoing 554 test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken My aliases files looks like: test: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper resend -l test -h medinfo.fmedic.una$test-digest: test test-outgoing: :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/major$test-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test-digest owner-test: abenita owner-test-outgoing: owner-test owner-test-digest: owner-test owner-test-digest-outgoing: owner-test test-request: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper request-answer test" test-digest-request: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper request-answer test-digest-approval: abenita test-digest-approval: test-approval Someone can tell me what am I doing wrong??? Thanks AB --RAB03651.860109706/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Content-Type: MESSAGE/DELIVERY-STATUS Content-ID: Content-Description: Reporting-MTA: dns; medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Arrival-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:21:40 -0600 Final-Recipient: RFC822; test-outgoing@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:21:46 -0600 Final-Recipient: RFC822; test-outgoing@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Action: failed Status: 5.2.4 Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:21:46 -0600 --RAB03651.860109706/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Content-Type: TEXT/RFC822-HEADERS; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo.daemon@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA03651 for test-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:21:40 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx: majordomo.daemon set sender to owner-test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx using -f Received: (from abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA03647 for test; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:21:35 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:21:35 -0600 From: Antonio Benita Message-Id: <199704032321.RAA03647@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx> To: test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Sender: owner-test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Precedence: bulk --RAB03651.860109706/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 21:34:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA22758 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net (relay-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id VAA22744 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from siltrain.demon.co.uk ([158.152.16.14]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aa1128098; 6 Apr 97 6:18 BST Received: by siltrain.demon.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id GAA06354; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 06:17:16 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 06:17:16 +0100 From: John Hodson Message-Id: <199704060517.GAA06354@siltrain.demon.co.uk> To: vladimir@virtualand.net, kynn@idyllmtn.com Subject: Re: Restrict Post Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk kynn@idyllmtn.com. Whilst I partly understand your attitude to RTFM, what gives you the right to express an opinion on behalf of all members of this list? Would it not have been quicker and more polite to have simply answered the question, and then point out that a study of the config file for that list, or the basic documentation should have answered this? The documentation is not the clearest I have ever come accross, and there is much old stuff around that refers to ancient releases, which does lead to confusion. John > From kynn@idyllmtn.com Sun Apr 6 05:53:13 1997 > X-Sender: kynn@mail.idyllmtn.com > Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 13:08:22 -0800 > To: "Vladimir Amarante" > From: Kynn Bartlett > Subject: Re: Restrict Post > Cc: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > At 12:43 PM 4/5/97 -0300, Vladimir Amarante wrote: > > What can I do to restrict post to my lists? > > I want only the subscribers posting to the list. > > (This will help prevent mail spam, too...) > > Maybe you could read the documentation, including the FAQ > and the konfig files themselves. > > Is it that much easier to bother a couple hundred people > instead of doing your homework first? > > > -- > /\ /\ /\ /\ Kynn Bartlett / kynn@idyllmtn.com > / \ / \/ \ / \ Idyll Mountain Internet > / \ //\ /\ \ / \ > '_| _` // \/ \__\ '_| _` Latest site: http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/ > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 21:49:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA25692 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id VAA25682 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by lists.tax.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA19778; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 00:42:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 00:42:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: Dave Wolfe cc: Jason L Tibbitts III , "Majordomo user's mailing list" Subject: Re: Warning: Guru burnout In-Reply-To: <199704042210.QAA17328@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk How about.... 1. Auto-e-mailing the FAQ (or at least a pointer with a stern warning!) to all new subscribers. 2. Auto-e-mailing the FAQ (or at least ...) to everyone the first time they post a message. Someone does this for comp.lang.perl.misc; I dunno how much it helps, but it really can't hurt. Kendall (back to reading mj-users ;) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 5 22:49:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA00391 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 22:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id WAA00354 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 22:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by lists.tax.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA20240 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 01:37:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 01:37:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Hiding *digest* outgoing (I did read up first) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hiya, I know how to hide outgoing aliases -- and digest doesn't use a parameter file, so things are a little different (it would be nice if it did ;). Using this wonderful web site http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users/ I read of someone else who had the same problem, and people's suggestions. I don't have a owner-blah-outgoing (what would be the point?) and I have ,nobody where it was suggested that I have it . . . and still, when the digest is created, there's the outgoing alias, plain as day. (I'm having the digest created automagically based on length.) Here are my aliases (I don't really use -outgoing, but I'd prefer not to post what I do use ;). owner-guru: root, guru-approval: Kendall_Bullen@tax.org, guru-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper request-answer guru" guru-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/archive/guru.archive/ -m -a" guru: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper resend @/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/guru.parms" guru-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/guru,guru-archive,guru-digestify,nobody owner-guru-digest: root, guru-digest-approval: Kendall_Bullen@tax.org, guru-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper request-answer guru-digest" guru-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/guru-digest,nobody guru-digest: guru guru-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l guru-digest guru-digest-outgoing,nobody" What am I missing here? Do I need ,nobody after the double-quotes on the digestify line, like this: guru-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l guru-digest guru-digest-outgoing,nobody",nobody Or is it not possible to hide this if you have them generated based on length (i.e., using the above scheme, though it is the way that I found documented and liked the most)? TIA, and sorry if I missed something blindingly obvious. Kendall :) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 07:19:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA01003 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 07:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA00986 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 07:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA19608; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 07:03:55 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199704061403.HAA19608@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: Restrict Post To: john@worldhq.com (John Hodson) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 07:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199704060517.GAA06354@siltrain.demon.co.uk> from "John Hodson" at Apr 6, 97 06:17:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk John Hodson wrote: > kynn@idyllmtn.com. > Whilst I partly understand your attitude to RTFM, what gives you the right to > express an opinion on behalf of all members of this list? Who says I was speaking for you? I was speaking for me. > Would it not have been quicker and more polite to have simply answered the > question, and then point out that a study of the config file for that list, > or the basic documentation should have answered this? Yes, but I'm a mean SOB. Seriously, why can't people do their homework before asking us to do it for them? Figuring out how to restrict posting to the list is trivial and well-documented. Maybe I just expect more of people -- I expect them not to be blathering idiots. Unreasonable expectations? --Kynn, still not speaking for all the members of the list From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 11:38:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA17907 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ds9.abac.com (ds9.abac.com [206.171.121.64]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA17900 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1119 invoked by uid 501); 6 Apr 1997 18:20:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:20:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Newall Reply-To: Bryce Newall To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: shlock problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings fellow Majordomo-ers! I've been running my mailing lists (about 15 of 'em) with Majordomo for about a year now. I just started experiencing a problem with digesting that started within, I'd say, the last 3 weeks or so. I'm not sure what, if anything, I did to my system to start this, but every night when my digests run, I get mail back from majordomo with the following lines repeated about 50 times or so. The digesting still works, but I'd love to get rid of these errors. Any ideas? Thanks... Here are the offending lines: mj_digest: WARNING shlock: link('shlock.31987', ''): No such file or directory mj_digest: WARNING shlock: link('shlock.31987', ''): No such file or directory mj_digest: WARNING shlock: link('shlock.31987', ''): No such file or directory mj_digest: WARNING shlock: link('shlock.31987', ''): No such file or directory mj_digest: WARNING shlock: link('shlock.31987', ''): No such file or directory mj_digest: WARNING From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 13:50:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA27066 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 13:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from IQSC.COM (iqgate.iqsc.com [205.164.232.190]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA27034 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 13:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from data by IQSC.COM with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0wDynU-000RVPC; Sun, 6 Apr 97 16:44 EDT Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 16:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Milt Webb, IQ Software" X-Sender: milt@data cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: A recommendation to the membership In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all, I am very grateful for this list and its members for the thoughtful questions and constuctive answers. I am on another list that has a very intersting policy regarding Q&As and how they should be handled. The net result is very positive, all questions are answer and mail volume is minimized. Here is a statement from the list charter that explains the procedure. I am only suggesting that we think about this - it doesn't have to be a policy. Anyone choosing to use this method of answering questions can do so without any detriment to the list. --excerpt from Sun-Managers List charter-- 4: Answers to questions are to be mailed back to the questioner and are NOT to be sent to the entire list. The person who originally asked the question has the responsibility of summarizing the answers and sending the entire summary back to the list. When a summary is sent back to the list, it should contain the word "SUMMARY" as the first word of the "Subject" line. Thanks for your time. Milt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ milt webb - iq software corporation - 3295 river exchange drive norcross, georgia usa 30092 - 770/446-8880x245 - www.iqsc.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 15:19:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA06124 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solutions.apple.com (solutions.apple.com [17.255.34.19]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id PAA06108 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.167.80.70] (zamboni.plaidworks.com [207.167.80.70]) by solutions.apple.com (8.6.10/A/UX 3.1) with ESMTP id PAA08203; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:18:29 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199704061403.HAA19608@ayla.idyllmtn.com> References: <199704060517.GAA06354@siltrain.demon.co.uk> from "John Hodson" at Apr 6, 97 06:17:16 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:05:53 -0700 To: Kynn Bartlett , john@worldhq.com (John Hodson) From: Chuq Von Rospach Subject: Re: Restrict Post Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 7:03 AM -0700 4/6/97, Kynn Bartlett wrote: >John Hodson wrote: >> Would it not have been quicker and more polite to have simply answered the >> question, and then point out that a study of the config file for that list, >> or the basic documentation should have answered this? > >Yes, but I'm a mean SOB. Hey, I think John just volunteered to be the new point man for answering questions on this list. If it's this easy, I'm sure he won't mind, and take some of the load off of guys like Kynn who HAVE been doing it for the last bunch of months. Thanks, John. We always need more people who are willing to contribute to these lists and help out the new users. There are never enough volunteers, and alwyas too many who are willing to grumble about how those few who do volunteer spend their time. Glad you are willing to join up and help... chuq -- Chuq Von Rospach (chuq@apple.com) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome Plaidworks Consulting (chuqui@plaidworks.com) ( +-+ The home for Hockey on the net) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 15:49:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA08127 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacifica.seminary.org (moonmist.sdsu.edu [130.191.69.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id PAA08109 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Symbolic Links? To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Reply-To: glen@seminary.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Message-ID: <9704061539.aa17239@pacifica.seminary.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Sorry to bother you with this one, but here's a quick question. I have majordomo configured to use archive2.pl - which in turn stores all of its stuff in /usr/local/major/files/${listname} It works fine. Today, I tried to move the files directories to a second hard drive. I made a new directory /usr/disk2/files and did a symbolic link to it. So, before, I had, for example, the directory /usr/local/major/files/mylist and the file /usr/local/major/files/mylist/archive.9704 Now, I have the directory /usr/disk2/files/mylist and the file /usr/disk2/files/mylist/archive.9704 and the symlink /usr/local/major/files -> /usr/disk2/files Now, every operation seems to work fine. For example, I can vi /usr/local/major/files/mylist/archive.9704 ls /usr/local/major/files/mylist and so on. Every program on the system can't tell the difference between the old configuration and the new one. Except majordomo. I get: Apr 06 15:20:41 myserver.mydomain.com archive2.pl[17065] {/usr/local/major/files/mylist/archive} ABORT shlock: '/usr/local/major/files/mylist' does not exist via email and in the log whenever archive2.pl runs. When I run it manually, I get it on stdout as well. Any ideas? From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 16:04:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA09302 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (shire.coloc.xmission.com [204.228.135.142]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id PAA09291 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.228.145.10] [204.228.145.10] by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtp (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0wE11S-0005kG-00; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:06:56 -0600 X-Sender: chad-pc@hobbiton.shire.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 16:59:58 -0600 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises Inc and Shire.Net" Subject: private_who not working Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk with 1.94.1 There is a line in the .config file for one of my lists and the private_who = true line is being ingnored. I just had someone not on the list send a who in for the list and majordomo obliged. Is this a known problem? Thanks Chad --------------------------------------------------------------- Chad Leigh Pengar Enterprises, Inc and Shire.Net chad@pengar.com info@pengar.com info@shire.net Full service WWW services from just space to complete sites. Low cost virtual servers. DB integration. Tango. Email forwarding -- Permanent Email Addresses. POP3 and IMAP Email Accounts. mailto:info@shire.net for any of these. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 16:49:28 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA13962 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 16:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA13927 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 16:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA13309; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 18:44:52 -0500 (CDT) To: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises Inc and Shire.Net" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: private_who not working References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Apr 1997 18:44:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises Inc and Shire.Net"'s message of Sun, 6 Apr 1997 16:59:58 -0600 Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "CL" == Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises Inc and Shire Net writes: CL> with 1.94.1 CL> There is a line in the .config file for one of my lists and the CL> private_who = true CL> line is being ingnored. There is no such variable in 1.94.x. private_* has been replaced by *_access with different semantics. Try issuing a writeconfig command to update your configuration files. The fact that the docs are slightly out of date is the real problem. The config file (and it's embedded documentation) should always be up date. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 17:19:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA16004 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ds9.abac.com (ds9.abac.com [206.171.121.64]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id RAA15991 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2500 invoked by uid 501); 7 Apr 1997 00:03:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Newall To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: shlock problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Bryce Newall wrote: > that started within, I'd say, the last 3 weeks or so. I'm not sure what, > if anything, I did to my system to start this, but every night when my Correction... I *do* know what changed: I upgraded from 1.94 to 1.94.1. However, I still don't know what the problem is, so any help will be appreciated. :) ********************************************************************** * Bryce Newall * IRC: Data * Email: data@dal.net * * WWW: http://voyager.abac.com/data * IRC Admin, voyager.dal.net * * --== Try DALnet! Server irc.dal.net, port 7000 ==-- * * "Stop smirking, Number 1." -- J.L. Picard * * "I'm a doctor, not a doorstop!" -- EMH Program, ST:FC * ********************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 18:23:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA19302 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 18:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnct.com (cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id SAA19287 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 18:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from @tenant.net (tenant@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA15713 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:19:08 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970406200005.3f27a114@tenant.net> X-Sender: tenant@tenant.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 20:00:05 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: TenantNet Subject: list suggestion In-Reply-To: References: <"Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises Inc and Shire.Net"'s message of Sun, 6 Apr 1997 16:59:58 -0600> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Since some others are making suggestions as to how the list operates, I'll throw in my two cents. Is there any reason why this list can not have a digest option? I would much prefer getting one or only a few digests per day instead of the traffic which some days mounts to 20 or 30 messages. Thanks. John Fisher ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Tenant Network for Residential Tenants TenantNet: http://tenant.net NYTenants Interactive: http://nytenant.net NYTenants Express: http://members.aol.com/nytenant email: tenant@tenant.net NYtenants Discussion List: email to majordomo@list.tenant.net and in the body of the message put "subscribe nytenants". Information from TenantNet is from experienced non-attorney tenant activists and is not considered legal advice. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 21:50:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA05574 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id UAA05393 for majordomo-users; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704070346.UAA05393@honor.greatcircle.com> From: mcb@greatcircle.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:46:39 +0000 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19970406200005.3f27a114@tenant.net> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: majordomo-users Subject: Re: list suggestion Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk John Fisher writes: > Since some others are making suggestions as to how the list operates, I'll > throw in my two cents. Is there any reason why this list can not have a > digest option? I would much prefer getting one or only a few digests per > day instead of the traffic which some days mounts to 20 or 30 messages. > Thanks. It's coming -- I just need some free time to set it up. When the times comes (please don't send me any messages about it at this point) there will probably be a "mass switch" day when I change over all the people who want the digest instead. -- Michael C. Berch Postmaster and List Manager, Great Circle Associates mcb@greatcircle.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 6 21:54:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA13863 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id VAA13542 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.jcc.co.id (server.jcc.co.id [202.159.5.99]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id VAA11049 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.jcc.co.id (server.jcc.co.id [202.159.5.99]) by server.jcc.co.id (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA07349; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:18:29 +0700 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:18:28 +0700 (JVT) From: NIKI HIRIO To: Antonio Benita cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi.. > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:24:23 -0600 (CST) > From: Antonio Benita > To: Majordomo Users > Subject: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken (fwd) > > This is the error message I got when i try to digest and archive the list > "test" > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:21:46 -0600 > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > To: owner-test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx > Subject: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken > > The original message was received at Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:21:40 -0600 > from majordomo.daemon@localhost > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > test-outgoing > :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l ...majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/archive/test/test.archive" > (expanded from: test-outgoing) Did you have directory or folder: /usr/test/majordomo-1.94/lists/test.archive ? If you didn't have.. so please create that directory and chmod 755 (for make sure.. use 777). > Someone can tell me what am I doing wrong??? > > Thanks > > AB Regards, -Niki From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 00:34:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA29234 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 00:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id AAA29227 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 00:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from janeway.verity.com (janeway.verity.com [192.168.70.135]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA05025 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:10:29 GMT Message-Id: <199704070610.GAA05025@gate.insite.co.uk> Received: by JANEWAY with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:27:54 +0100 From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Digests and MIME Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:27:54 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all No, this isn't the 'Does MJ support MIME-encoded digests' question - it's something else... I'm running MJ 1.94.1 with Perl 5.003 on Linux to support a 2000-subs, 100 messages/day list. I need to implement Digest, but my problem is this: Due to the subject matter of the list, many of the subscribers use MS Exchange, and take advantage of the Rich Text capability of that product. So many of the messages are multipart/mixed , with a text/plain and an application/ms-tnef bodypart. This is not something I want to discourage. When mangled through MJ's digestifier, the multipart messages just get dumped into the message body, causing the digest to fill up with lots of base64-encoded junk. I know the standard answer to this is 'MJ doesn't understand MIME very well'. But has anyone implemented a workaround for this? Maybe a filter I could pipe messages thorugh on the way to the digest which would strip down the multipart messages, leaving just the text/plain part in the digest? All suggestions welcome. Thanks Peter From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 05:04:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA26745 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 04:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mitra.com (shark.mitra.com [192.190.75.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id EAA26691 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 04:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turbot.mitra.com by mitra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA01267; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:48:37 -0400 Organization: Mitra Imaging Inc. Waterloo, Ontario. +1.519.746.2900 Received: by turbot.mitra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA01894; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:48:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:48:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199704071148.HAA01894@turbot.mitra.com> From: Larry Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: milt@iqsc.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: A recommendation to the membership In-Reply-To: Milt Webb, IQ Software's message of 6 April 1997 16:44:19 -0400 References: X-Mailer: VM 6.20/Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Milt Webb, IQ Software writes: > I am on another list that has a very intersting policy regarding Q&As and > how they should be handled. The net result is very positive, all questions > are answer and mail volume is minimized. Here is a statement from the list I know the list you refer to. It has been an excellent resource, and I am sure it is, to a large extent, because of this policy. > charter that explains the procedure. I am only suggesting that we think > about this - it doesn't have to be a policy. Anyone choosing to use this > method of answering questions can do so without any detriment to the list. > > --excerpt from Sun-Managers List charter-- > > 4: Answers to questions are to be mailed back to the questioner and are > NOT to be sent to the entire list. The person who originally asked > the question has the responsibility of summarizing the answers and > sending the entire summary back to the list. When a summary is sent > back to the list, it should contain the word "SUMMARY" as the first > word of the "Subject" line. > It is amazing. Everyone actually does this. You see a question, then a day or two later a summary from the person that posted the question. Because you see only a small amount of traffic, it is easy to consider reading all the messages and responding to the ones you know something about. It is *very* important that followups actually occur. And they do. With out the followup, there is no opportunity for everyone else to learn. I have thought to make this very suggestion quite a number of times. Thank you for actually doing it! Larry From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 06:34:58 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA03222 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA03214 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA25327 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 06:28:44 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA02402 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 06:28:41 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA01286; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:28:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA12018; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:28:38 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704071328.IAA12018@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)] To: webmaster@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov (Greg Blakely) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:28:38 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <3345B7C0.22724D9D@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov> from "Greg Blakely" at Apr 4, 97 08:24:00 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Greg Blakely writes: ] > > Where would this be coming from? > > It just started... > > MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! > > chown(507, 2, "/usr/local/majordomo/lists/announcements.new"): Operation not permitted Check to be sure the owners of "announcements" is correct and remove any latent "announcements.new" and "L.announcements" files. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 06:49:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA03988 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA03971 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA26891 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 06:40:16 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA03401 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 06:40:04 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA01335; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:40:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA15164; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:40:01 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704071340.IAA15164@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: a list that died To: shovey@buffnet.net (Steve) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:40:01 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Steve" at Apr 5, 97 10:05:49 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Steve writes: ] > > I have a list that died after I went to 1.94.1 - it says: [...] > Mailer /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oee -fowner-lostinspace@buffnet4.buffnet.net > lostinspace-outgoing exited unexpectedly with error 17152 Excerpt from README: mailer exited unexpectedly with error XXXX -- it is expected that the mailer will return a zero exit code upon success, so any nonzero code is reported as an error. The mail may or may not have been propperly sent to your list. To track down the source of this error, first inspect the debug logs (see Debugging below) to see if the mailer emitted any diagnostics. Failing that, the true exit status of the program can be obtained by dividing the error number by 256. Consult your mailer's documentation for the meaning of the exit statis, or if you use Sendmail, consult the chart below for some of the more common errors: 17152 / 256 = 67 67 - EX_NOUSER - The alias that is used to send out list mail (which is passed as the last argument on resend's command line) does not exist. Make certain that there are no typographical errors in your alias file, and that the file has been properly rebuilt. I'm not sure that explanation is complete since your sendmail verifies lostinspace-outgoing but can't expand it. You probably have an invalid address in that list or one that's not fully qualified. Check for unbalanced quotes, (), <>, and the like, and for addresses without '@' or only one node in the domain part, e.g. someone@host instead of someone@host.domain.com. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 07:04:31 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA05275 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA05266 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA27931 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 06:48:13 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA03954 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 06:47:41 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA02646; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:47:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA15258; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:47:40 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704071347.IAA15258@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: More installation questions To: kirsan@worldnet.att.net (Kirk Sansom) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:47:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <334683F5.2698@worldnet.att.net> from "Kirk Sansom" at Apr 5, 97 08:55:17 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Kirk Sansom writes: ] > > I've installed majordomo 1.94.1 on my Linux box (it not a web server) for > installation testing. Now, I'm trying to install it on my work's web > server. So things I didn't pay attention to on my linux box are now very > important. > > Question: > While editing the Makefile and majordomo.cf files, I got confused about what > address and user is for what. > > 1) the very first paragraph of the INSTALL file mentions creating a user > called majordomo.daemon for majordomo to run. Then it talks about > creating a user account for yourself with user/group id equal to daemon in > order to administer majordomo without having to change to su. I assume > that the two accounts are not the same: one for the software to run with > sufficient rights and one for me to carry out manage functions. Right? These are one and the same. The user is "majordomo" (some systems won't allow more than 8 characters for a user name, so many use just "majordom". This user should be a member of group "daemon". > 2) in the Makefile, you specify the user and group numbers majordomo will > runs as. This refers to majordomo.daemon. Right? Correct. > 3) in the majordomo.cf file, one of the items you are supposed to specify > is: > $whoami=Who do users send requests to me as? (is this the same as > majordomo.daemon? Does this account need daemon grp priveleges, or just > an account to receive e-mail commands from users?) This is actually the "majordomo" alias. It's configurable since it doesn't *have* to be the string "majordomo". -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 07:21:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA07462 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA07358 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA00251 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 07:04:16 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA04574 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 06:55:48 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA02699; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:55:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA13550; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:55:46 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704071355.IAA13550@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: shlock problem To: data@ds9.abac.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:55:46 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Bryce Newall" at Apr 6, 97 11:20:53 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Bryce Newall writes: ] > > I've been running my mailing lists (about 15 of 'em) with Majordomo > for about a year now. I just started experiencing a problem with > digesting that started within, I'd say, the last 3 weeks or so. [ > since upgrade to 1.94.1 ] every night when my digests run, I get mail > back from majordomo with the following lines repeated about 50 times > or so. The digesting still works, but I'd love to get rid of these > errors. Any ideas? Thanks... Here are the offending lines: > > mj_digest: WARNING > shlock: link('shlock.31987', ''): No such file or directory Digest doesn't default unspecified values. Be sure you have things like 'resend_host' specified in your digest .config file or apply the appropriate patches from the unofficial patch site . -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 07:34:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA09637 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA09597 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA02326 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 07:18:53 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA06589 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 07:18:51 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA03120; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:18:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA11924; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:18:50 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704071418.JAA11924@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Symbolic Links? To: glen@seminary.org Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:18:50 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <9704061539.aa17239@pacifica.seminary.org> from "Glen" at Apr 6, 97 03:39:39 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Glen writes: ] > > Today, I tried to move the files directories to a second hard drive. > I made a new directory /usr/disk2/files and did a symbolic link to it. [...] > /usr/local/major/files -> /usr/disk2/files > > Now, every operation seems to work fine. For example, I can > vi /usr/local/major/files/mylist/archive.9704 > ls /usr/local/major/files/mylist > and so on. Every program on the system can't tell the difference between > the old configuration and the new one. > > Except majordomo. > > I get: > > Apr 06 15:20:41 myserver.mydomain.com archive2.pl[17065] {/usr/local/major/files/mylist/archive} ABORT shlock: '/usr/local/major/files/mylist' does not exist Were you careful to set the same user.group owners and permissions on the new directories and files? The only way I can see for shlock to get into this code is if the open append of the temp file (for a lock file) fails, although it's very strange it would think that the directory doesn't exist. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 07:40:46 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA07428 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA07323 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA00208 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 07:04:07 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA05285 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 07:04:05 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA01456; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:04:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA12624; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:04:03 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704071404.JAA12624@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: A recommendation to the membership To: milt@iqsc.com (Milt Webb IQ Software) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:04:02 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Milt Webb, IQ Software" at Apr 6, 97 04:44:19 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Milt Webb, IQ Software writes: ] > > I am on another list that has a very intersting policy regarding Q&As and > how they should be handled. The net result is very positive, all questions > are answer and mail volume is minimized. Here is a statement from the list > charter that explains the procedure. I am only suggesting that we think > about this - it doesn't have to be a policy. Anyone choosing to use this > method of answering questions can do so without any detriment to the list. > > --excerpt from Sun-Managers List charter-- > > 4: Answers to questions are to be mailed back to the questioner and are > NOT to be sent to the entire list. The person who originally asked > the question has the responsibility of summarizing the answers and > sending the entire summary back to the list. When a summary is sent > back to the list, it should contain the word "SUMMARY" as the first > word of the "Subject" line. It's a nice thought, and maybe there's some basic difference in the experience level of the subscribers that explains why it works so well there (or so we're told), but given how many folks mail directly to me because they're too shy to even post to the list, I have trouble believing that a significant percentage would bother to summarize here. But I'm willing to give it a try if that's the consensus. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 08:10:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA12569 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.state.mn.us (mail.state.mn.us [204.73.26.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA12545 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roman.state.mn.us by mail.state.mn.us; Mon, 7 Apr 97 09:47:52 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970407145610.006cef64@mail.state.mn.us> X-Sender: roman@mail.state.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 09:56:10 -0500 To: Peter Bowyer From: Roman Richardson Subject: Re: Digests and MIME Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 08:27 AM 4/7/97 +0100, Peter Bowyer wrote: >Due to the subject matter of the list, many of the subscribers use MS >Exchange, and take advantage of the Rich Text capability of that >product. So many of the messages are multipart/mixed , with a text/plain >and an application/ms-tnef bodypart. This is not something I want to >discourage. Well, if those are the MIME types exchange is using then this is *another* case of Microsoft making up it's own MIME types, and then trying to pass them off as registered. app/ms-tnef is not a registered MIME type, nor is it an "x-type" which would be forgivable. Ah well, what can you do? >I know the standard answer to this is 'MJ doesn't understand MIME very >well'. But has anyone implemented a workaround for this? Maybe a filter >I could pipe messages thorugh on the way to the digest which would strip >down the multipart messages, leaving just the text/plain part in the >digest? I haven't implemented it yet, but I've got my own version of metamail (with loads of bug fixes to the released version) and a script that would probably do the trick nicely. After metamail and the script are fed a message, it will break up all of the message parts into seperate files, and what could be decoded (i.e. base64) will be. If you just want to get the text/plain part, just grab the filename from the multipart header file (makes sense when you see the code... really easy). I've actually been thinking of looking into releasing my version of metamail as a "patch" or updated version. I think quite a few people could find numerous uses for metamail and my script. If people are interested I could give you more info. Unfortunately I didn't document all of my changes very well, but I can tell you most of what it fixed. Roman --- Roman Richardson ITS4 / Mail*Hub Administrator InterTechnologies Group From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 08:50:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA18726 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ds9.abac.com (ds9.abac.com [206.171.121.64]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA18715 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8895 invoked by uid 501); 7 Apr 1997 15:38:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Newall To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: shlock problem In-Reply-To: <199704071355.IAA13550@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Dave Wolfe wrote: > > mj_digest: WARNING > > shlock: link('shlock.31987', ''): No such file or directory > > Digest doesn't default unspecified values. Be sure you have > things like 'resend_host' specified in your digest .config file I don't have a value specified after resend_host, but I never did before either. Is this something new in 1.94.1 that needs to be defined? > or apply the appropriate patches from the unofficial patch site > Must be *very* unofficial... :) Not Found The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it. ********************************************************************** * Bryce Newall * IRC: Data * Email: data@dal.net * * WWW: http://voyager.abac.com/data * IRC Admin, voyager.dal.net * * --== Try DALnet! Server irc.dal.net, port 7000 ==-- * * "Stop smirking, Number 1." -- J.L. Picard * * "I'm a doctor, not a doorstop!" -- EMH Program, ST:FC * ********************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 09:21:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA22183 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA22165 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA18667 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 09:16:54 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA01105 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 97 09:16:42 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA02577; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:16:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id LAA17650; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:16:39 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704071616.LAA17650@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: shlock problem To: data@ds9.abac.com (Bryce Newall) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:16:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Bryce Newall" at Apr 7, 97 08:38:48 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Bryce Newall writes: ] > > > or apply the appropriate patches from the unofficial patch site > > > > Must be *very* unofficial... :) > > Not Found > > The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you > followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been > instructed not to let you have it. Oops! ^^^ -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 09:34:46 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA22191 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.hypersurf.com (mercury.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA22167 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aerosmith.newvision.com (port2.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.98]) by mercury.hypersurf.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA03552; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aerosmith.newvision.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA1741; Mon, 07 Apr 97 09:16:17 -0700 To: Dave Wolfe Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: A recommendation to the membership References: <199704071404.JAA12624@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> From: "Dewey M. Sasser" Date: 07 Apr 1997 09:16:12 -0800 In-Reply-To: Dave Wolfe's message of Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:04:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.33 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wolfe writes: >> 4: Answers to questions are to be mailed back to the >> questioner and are NOT to be sent to the entire list. The >> person who originally asked the question has the responsibility >> of summarizing the answers and sending the entire summary back >> to the list. When a summary is sent back to the list, it >> should contain the word "SUMMARY" as the first word of the >> "Subject" line. Dave> It's a nice thought, and maybe there's some basic difference Dave> in the experience level of the subscribers that explains why Dave> it works so well there (or so we're told), but given how Dave> many folks mail directly to me because they're too shy to Dave> even post to the list, I have trouble believing that a Dave> significant percentage would bother to summarize here. But Dave> I'm willing to give it a try if that's the consensus. One potential problem with this list is that few of the questions seem to require multiple opinions. I.e. that can answered once authoritatively (the problem is that they're also answered once authoritatively in the manual). The above policy would make it impossible to tell if the question has been answered, resulting in several people taking the time to send the same answer, probably *increasing* the rate of Guru burnout. I think this sort of policy is best in a group of people who read the manual and the FAQ before posting a question, which happens here less frequently that we would wish. -- Dewey M. Sasser voice: (617) 494-6000 dewey@newvision.com PGP Key from public servers PGP mail preferred. --- No assumption survives contact with the customer -- Dewey M. Sasser From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 09:49:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA23190 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solutions.apple.com (solutions.apple.com [17.255.34.19]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA23174 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.219.12.99] (A17-219-12-99.apple.com [17.219.12.99]) by solutions.apple.com (8.6.10/A/UX 3.1) with ESMTP id JAA21438; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:34:26 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199704071148.HAA01894@turbot.mitra.com> References: Milt Webb, IQ Software's message of 6 April 1997 16:44:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:09:42 -0700 To: Larry Williamson , milt@iqsc.com From: Chuq Von Rospach Subject: Re: A recommendation to the membership Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 4:48 AM -0700 4/7/97, Larry Williamson wrote: >It is amazing. Everyone actually does this. You see a question, then >a day or two later a summary from the person that posted the >question. Very amazing. I've tried this on my own lists, and for the most part, people just flip me the finger and call me a fascist... Not everyone thinks its a great idea, I guess (grin). It depends very much on the audience cooperating. I'm glad it works for the Sun group. It's definitely worth a try -- but I think it also depends on a fairly stable population that understands the rules, or a set of admins willing to do a lot of nattering to newbies over how things work around here.... If you can make it happen, great. I wouldn't expect it to be something that works on all lists, or a panacea. -- Chuq Von Rospach (chuq@apple.com) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome Plaidworks Consulting (chuqui@plaidworks.com) ( +-+ The home for Hockey on the net) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 10:35:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA02857 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA02786 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id NAA29485; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA09808; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:30:37 -0400 Message-ID: <19970407133036.IK53572@smoe.org> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:30:36 -0400 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: chuqui@plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Cc: larry@mitra.com (Larry Williamson), milt@iqsc.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: A recommendation to the membership References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from "Chuq Von Rospach" on Apr 7, 1997 09:09:42 -0700 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Chuq Von Rospach writes: > depends on a fairly stable population that understands the rules, or a > set of admins willing to do a lot of nattering to newbies over how > things work around here.... The sun-managers list is amazingly self policing. I can't think of a 'reply' that was sent to the list by accident lately, and when it does happen, the list is self-policing (i.e. the person who made the mistake ends up with a mailbox full of reminders not to do it again). -jeff From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 13:35:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA26489 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [15.253.72.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA26438 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: junk@prabhaka.corp.hp.com Received: from prabhaka.corp.hp.com (junk@prabhaka.corp.hp.com [15.36.182.67]) by palrel1.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA17577 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from junk@localhost) by prabhaka.corp.hp.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10013 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704072020.NAA10013@prabhaka.corp.hp.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Majorcool: Lists are all shown as unconfigured Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=X-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all, I recently installed majorcool 1.0 over an existing majordomo 1.94.1 installation. Installation and configuration were ok, with the exception that the web interface to majorcool always shows all mailing lists as unconfigured. I've followed all instructions for the majorcool installation. The mail based majordomo interface works fine. Can someone shed more light on what the problem might be? Help is greatly appreciated. Not that it matters, but my installation is on HP-UX 10.20, with sendmail 8.7.5 Thanks, Karthik From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 15:12:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA08942 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA08740 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id OAA21085 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by lists.tax.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA32184; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:14:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: "Dewey M. Sasser" cc: Dave Wolfe , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: A recommendation to the membership In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 7 Apr 1997, Dewey M. Sasser wrote: > The above policy would make it impossible to tell if the question > has been answered, resulting in several people taking the time to > send the same answer, probably *increasing* the rate of Guru > burnout. People do that anyway -- few people (in mailing lists *or* Usenet news) look to see if there are already responses. Why don't people burn out quicker in this other list? Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 15:21:51 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA03633 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wpsmp.acsc.net ([204.95.240.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id OAA03616 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ACSC-Message_Server by wpsmp.acsc.net with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Apr 1997 16:02:26 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:57:06 -0500 From: Nathan Gross To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am setting up majordomo and when I go to start it. I get an error message that says "Invalid Return Address" what causes this. The address is a user address of majordom on the system. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 16:01:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA13470 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id PAA13453 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix1.ism.com.br (unix1.ism.com.br [200.255.211.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA15979 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clpc1.compuland.com.br (clpc1.compuland.com.br [200.255.96.22]) by unix1.ism.com.br (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA18739 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:18:08 -0300 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:18:08 -0300 Message-Id: <199704071518.MAA18739@unix1.ism.com.br> X-Sender: compland@ism.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: compland@ism.com.br (Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica) Subject: Majordomo 1.94.1 and unsubscribing Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi: I've upgraded from 1.93 to 1.94.1 . I have several closed lists. The question is that before the upgrade, any 'unsubscribe' sent to majordomo was automatic. Now, majordomo asks me to approve the action. In my situation I only want to control the subscriptions... Anything that I can do about it ? Thanks a lot !! Regards, Helio. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 16:04:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA13078 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id PAA13068 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from badger.jsc.vsc.edu (badger.jsc.vsc.edu [155.42.31.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id TAA22293 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by badger.jsc.vsc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11434; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:10:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald Timothy Koch / Appt # 13 To: Dave Wolfe Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: problems with majordomo 1.94.1 In-Reply-To: <199703281432.IAA19192@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Mar 1997, Dave Wolfe wrote: > [ Donald Timothy Koch / Appt # 13 writes: ] > > > > >>>> auth 4ad16b1a subscribe mailertest meltdown@mole.jsc.vsc.edu > ^^^^ > What's this? The command is 'approve'. > > > So what did the mail to majordomo-owner say? Did postmaster get any > messages? If nothing comes through those aliases, then maybe you should > set '$DEBUG=1;' in majordomo.cf and see what it says in > $TMPDIR/majordomo.debug. > > -- > Dave Wolfe > I won't receive the message. Majordomo-owner is the System Administrator. I am only as SYSOP on the majordomo and www systems. ****************************************************************************** Donald T. Koch kochd@badger.jsc.vsc.edu http://www.angelfire.com/vt/kochd ****************************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 17:10:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA24015 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siu.cen.buap.mx (siu.buap.mx [148.228.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id QAA23979 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labpar1.cs.buap.mx ([148.228.20.4]) by siu.cen.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05777; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:08:24 GMT Received: from localhost by labpar1.cs.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04481; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:54:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:54:11 -0600 (CST) From: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Wrong addresses = mailing problems. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I had a problem few minutes ago. I tried to send mail to one of my mailing lists and the mailer returned complaining about an unavailable service, because of a wrong address. Someone had subscribed with an address like @prime.net (that's, without a name), and apparently Majordomo didn't catch it, and it was causing errors. Two questions: 1.- why did not Majordomo catch this address (@prime.net)? 2.- what can I do to avoid this kind of subscriptions?. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez. Fac. de Ciencias de la Computacion. B.U.A.P. e-mail: rodolfo@siu.cen.buap.mx al103@solarium.cs.buap.mx rgg@labpar1.cs.buap.mx oxygene@geocities.com WWW: http://labpar1.cs.buap.mx/~rgg/ (IP: 148.228.20.4) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/9915/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 17:14:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA20753 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA17743 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA13703; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:13:58 -0500 (CDT) To: "Kendall P. Bullen" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: A recommendation to the membership References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Apr 1997 18:13:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Kendall P. Bullen"'s message of Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "KPB" == Kendall P Bullen writes: KPB> Why don't people burn out quicker in this other list? Because there are more people who know the answers, and because the procedures for flaming are already ingrained. People yell loudly if you didn't bother to check the archives, but they do it privately. Plus the subject matter is more varied there. Here I think there are less than ten different questions that make up most of what people ask. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 17:21:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA26409 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.hypersurf.com (mercury.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id RAA26396 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aerosmith.newvision.com (port28.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.124]) by mercury.hypersurf.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA12308; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aerosmith.newvision.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0094; Mon, 07 Apr 97 17:15:57 -0600 To: "Kendall P. Bullen" Cc: Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: Re: A recommendation to the membership References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: "Dewey M. Sasser" Date: 07 Apr 1997 17:15:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Kendall P. Bullen"'s message of Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Lines: 45 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.33 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Kendall" == Kendall P Bullen writes: Kendall> On 7 Apr 1997, Dewey M. Sasser wrote: >> The above policy would make it impossible to tell if the >> question has been answered, resulting in several people taking >> the time to send the same answer, probably *increasing* the >> rate of Guru burnout. Kendall> People do that anyway -- few people (in mailing lists Kendall> *or* Usenet news) look to see if there are already Kendall> responses. Why don't people burn out quicker in this Kendall> other list? I look. Certainly in the case of a "how do I restrict posts to list members" question most everyone on the mj-users mailing list *could* answer the question (RTFM!) if it has not already been answered. I don't answer posts like that because I know that either Dave or Jason has immediately jumped on it, and odds are they already have a reply into SMTP while I'm just reading the question. Often I get the question and reply in the same mail check. Actually, Dave and Jason (and others) might want to be a bit slower to answer questions like that. Note that I'm not (not, Not, NOT) saying I don't appreciate them. I appreciate them *so much* that I want them to avoid Guru burn-out. I can't speak to why people don't burn out on that other list. I can hypothesize (OK, I can pull a guess out of thin air) that people disciplined enough to self-moderate in the way described don't tend to get the same, simple, documented, RTFM type questions over and over. Of course, rather than sit here and go back and forth on "it works", "it doesn't work", the best thing to do would be to try it. If indeed it does work, I'm all for it. And now back to our regularly scheduled majordomo discussion, or should we create a "majordomo-users-users" list for this discussion :-? -- Dewey M. Sasser voice: (617) 494-6000 dewey@newvision.com PGP Key from public servers PGP mail preferred. --- No battle plan survives contact with the enemy -- John Christian Falkenberg From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 18:58:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA08672 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA08617 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16962; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:34:11 -0500 (CDT) To: "Dewey M. Sasser" Cc: Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: Re: A recommendation to the membership References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Apr 1997 20:34:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Dewey M. Sasser"'s message of 07 Apr 1997 17:15:48 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DMS" == Dewey M Sasser writes: DMS> Actually, Dave and Jason (and others) might want to be a bit slower to DMS> answer questions like that. Well, you're right; I try to answer well-posed questions I haven't seen in a while (or at all) and ignore the rest. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 19:05:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA10852 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tangent.alt255.com (tangent.alt255.com [199.171.190.214]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA10792 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jburke@localhost) by tangent.alt255.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA03338 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:48:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin Burke X-Sender: jburke@tangent Reply-To: Justin Burke To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Digest Footer Removal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a digest setup and everytime that it is sent out, majordomo doesn't remove the standard message footers from the un-digest version. I can't seem to figure it out; I've looked around in the documentation and even tried different configurations to no avail. Any help would be appreciated. Justin Burke To get my PGP key, send a message with the subject "get-pgp-key". From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 19:10:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA08155 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA07869 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16911; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:30:19 -0500 (CDT) To: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Wrong addresses = mailing problems. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Apr 1997 20:30:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez's message of Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:54:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RGG" == Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez writes: RGG> 1.- why did not Majordomo catch this address (@prime.net)? Oh, a bug, probably. RGG> 2.- what can I do to avoid this kind of subscriptions?. You can periodically run your list through ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/majordomo/validate_addresses. This is a preview of the code in Majordomo][ which syntax-checks addresses. It should be possible to back-port the code in validate_addresses to 1.94.x, but I haven't tried it. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 19:17:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA08329 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (h153-64-252-2.NCR.COM [153.64.252.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA08198 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bill-houle (bill-houle.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM [153.64.69.200]) by ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA09635; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970407180629.0096dad0@www.sandiegoca.ncr.com> X-Sender: bhoule@www.sandiegoca.ncr.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 18:35:51 -0700 To: junk@prabhaka.corp.hp.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Bill Houle Subject: Re: Majorcool: Lists are all shown as unconfigured Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 01:20 PM 4/7/97 -0700, junk@prabhaka.corp.hp.com wrote: > >Hello all, >I recently installed majorcool 1.0 over an existing majordomo 1.94.1 >installation. Installation and configuration were ok, with the exception >that the web interface to majorcool always shows all mailing lists >as unconfigured. This has been confusing for some. Check the on-line Docs again; I've updated on-line but haven't updated the Docs installed with the package yet. http://ncrinfo.ncr.com/pub/contrib/unix/MajorCool/Docs/install.htm There is a problem with your 'owner' keyword: not implemented, implemented incorrectly, implemented but not defined, or defined but not exported to the cache file. (I am working on a version that does not require the 'owner' field, but no promises as to availability....) --bill From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 20:04:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA17838 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id UAA17831 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA19066; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:02:30 -0500 (CDT) To: Justin Burke Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Digest Footer Removal References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Apr 1997 22:02:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: Justin Burke's message of Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "JB" == Justin Burke writes: JB> I have a digest setup and everytime that it is sent out, majordomo doesn't JB> remove the standard message footers from the un-digest version. This, unfortunately, simply does not work. There's even a config option set aside to do it, but the code was never written. This will, of course, be fixed in a future release. Unfortunately nobody knows when that will be. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 22:36:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA04390 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from churchoffice.com (www.churchoffice.com [192.41.35.39]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id WAA04369 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from internet (slip129-37-179-177.bc.ca.ibm.net [129.37.179.177]) by churchoffice.com (8.8.5) id XAA10280; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:27:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: churchoffice.com: Host slip129-37-179-177.bc.ca.ibm.net [129.37.179.177] claimed to be internet Message-ID: <3349D707.449@churchoffice.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 22:26:31 -0700 From: Walter Johanson Reply-To: johanson@churchoffice.com Organization: ChurchOffice.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Info file Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Are there two different info files on each list? My command "info" sent to majordomo@churchoffice.com returns info on each list. The body of these texts were created when the list was created. Sending info returns different info on two of the lists. The two differing ones come from the *.info files I edited after installation. This indicates two different files contain "info" which majordomo reads. Any insights to solving the problem: how to get the same description in each case? Cheers! -- Walter Johanson lexbahn@ibm.net http://www.ChurchOffice.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 7 23:23:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA08701 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id XAA08694 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waltz.rahul.net by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP id AA28004 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:10:50 -0700 Received: by waltz.rahul.net (5.67b8/jive-a2i-1.0) id AA03393; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:10:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Wagner To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Moderated "approve" command Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Can someone show me how to use the approve command on a moderated list? I undstand that submitted e-mails bounce to me (list owner), and I have to approve them, but try as I might, I cannot seem to issue the command properly. Thanks in advance, Mark Wagner From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 03:06:58 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA19913 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 02:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini.uninet.net.id (gemini.uninet.net.id [202.145.0.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id CAA19894 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 02:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (muljawan@localhost) by gemini.uninet.net.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20635 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:46:47 +0700 (GMT) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:46:46 +0700 (GMT) From: muljawan hendrianto X-Sender: muljawan@gemini To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: majordomo aliases not working Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-1932422408-860492806=:21764" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-1932422408-860492806=:21764 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII HI, I got this attached error messages when I send to a mailing list called "test". I installed the majordomo not in my mailserver but in another server. I have the aliases (/etc/aliases from the sendmail8.8.5)in my mailserver like this: test:test@capricornus.uninet.net.id owner-test:owner-test@capricornus.uninet.net.id test-request:test-request@capricornus.uninet.net.id test-approval:test-approval@capricornus.uninet.net.id ANd in my majordomo server I have the following, test: "|/usr/local/src/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-list" test-list: include:/usr/local/src/majordomo/lists/test owner-test: muljawan@uninet.net.id,nobody test-request: "|/usr/local/src/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" test-approval: muljawan@uninet.net.id,nobody in my /etc/aliases (it also has sendmail8.8.5 installed). Maybe someone know what I have done wrong so that I can't send an email to the mailing list called "test"? thanks alot, muljawan <---------------------------------------------------------------> Muljawan Hendrianto NOC, PT. 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majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Mercedes Gimenez Subject: problems whit restrict post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello. I have installed majordom-1.94 in a Sun Sparc whith sendmail I have a list named "test" whith one address a.a@uam.es, and test-restrict whith a.a@uam.es too, but the Sun (relay.uam.es) in which are running majordom and sendmail, take the user as a local user, and then take off @uam.es from the address. The user a.a@uam.es appear as a.a and ,if list "test" is closed, majordom say tha a.a is not a member of the list. The solution is to put in test-restrict a.a and a.a@uam.es, but it request a lot of time. Can I to fix this whith majordom?? How?? Thanks in advance Mercedes From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 06:06:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA29571 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 05:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.state.mn.us (mail.state.mn.us [204.73.26.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id FAA29555 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 05:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roman.state.mn.us by mail.state.mn.us; Tue, 8 Apr 97 07:52:46 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970408130111.006adc98@mail.state.mn.us> X-Sender: roman@mail.state.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 08:01:11 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Roman Richardson Subject: problems with /dev/null Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, For some blasted reason my nobody alias isn't working. The entry is: nobody: /dev/null and everytime mail is sent to nobody it comes back with "User unknown: /dev/null". Anybody know what could be causing this? Thanks, Roman --- Roman Richardson ITS4 / Mail*Hub Administrator InterTechnologies Group From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 06:11:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA00202 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 05:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.incontext.ca (home.InContext.Ca [192.139.199.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id FAA00183 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 05:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from muscle.incontext.com (muscle.incontext.ca [192.139.199.80]) by home.incontext.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA00544 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:11:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199704081411.KAA00544@home.incontext.ca> From: "Craig McQueen" To: Subject: Making archives available Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:59:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have setup a quick way to make archived files available via a web browser. I made the directory that the archives are in available through http. (they are at: http://www.cybermuscle.com/femuscle/backissues) The one problem is that the www account does not have read permissions on the files. I manually changed a couple to try it out. So two questions: - Is there a good reason the files aren't readable by other users? - Can the digest maker be easily changed so they are readable by other users? -- Craig McQueen - Software Engineer InContext Systems, Toronto, CANADA http://www.incontext.com/staff/craig From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 06:36:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA03032 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA03017 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA07698 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:24:15 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA04647 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:24:14 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA16904; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:24:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA05346; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:24:13 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704081324.IAA05346@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: your mail To: ngross@wpsmp.acsc.net (Nathan Gross) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:24:13 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Nathan Gross" at Apr 7, 97 03:57:06 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Nathan Gross writes: ] > > I am setting up majordomo and when I go to start it. I get an error > message that says "Invalid Return Address" what causes this. The > address is a user address of majordom on the system. What do you mean by "go to start it"? You "start" Mj by sending it e-mail, not by running anything from a shell command line. If this is not the case, then perhaps you should clarify your question by explaining exactly what you did to receive the error message and include the full context of the message. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 06:50:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA02695 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA02660 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA07466 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:19:57 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA04549 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:19:54 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA16871; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:19:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA05300; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:19:53 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704081319.IAA05300@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Majordomo 1.94.1 and unsubscribing To: compland@ism.com.br (Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:19:53 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199704071518.MAA18739@unix1.ism.com.br> from "Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica" at Apr 7, 97 12:18:08 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica writes: ] > > I've upgraded from 1.93 to 1.94.1 . I have several closed lists. > The question is that before the upgrade, any 'uns*bscribe' sent to > majordomo was automatic. Now, majordomo asks me to approve the action. > In my situation I only want to control the subscriptions... Anything > that I can do about it ? How do you have 'uns*bscribe_policy' set? You probably defaulted it to 'open', which is equivalent to the 1.93 policy but 'uns*bscribe' requests are coming from addresses different than the address to be uns*bscribed. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 06:51:28 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA04551 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA04543 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA09104 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:44:47 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA05217 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:44:45 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA07638; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:44:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA10650; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:44:43 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704081344.IAA10650@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: majordomo aliases not working To: muljawan@uninet.net.id (muljawan hendrianto) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:44:42 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "muljawan hendrianto" at Apr 8, 97 04:46:46 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ muljawan hendrianto writes: ] > > I got this attached error messages when I send to a mailing list called > "test". [...] > test: "|/usr/local/src/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test > test-list" > test-list: include:/usr/local/src/majordomo/lists/test This should be: test-list: :include:/usr/local/src/majordomo/lists/test ^ + Note the ':' -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 07:01:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA04344 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA04329 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA08882 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:42:09 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA05111 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:41:06 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA07611; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:41:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA10614; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:41:04 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704081341.IAA10614@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Moderated "approve" command To: mgw@resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:41:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Mark Wagner" at Apr 7, 97 11:10:48 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Mark Wagner writes: ] > > Can someone show me how to use the approve command on a moderated list? > > I undstand that submitted e-mails bounce to me (list owner), and I have > to approve them, but try as I might, I cannot seem to issue the command > properly. It appears that you're using Pine, so just configure it to pipe "raw" messages (all headers) and pipe the message to be approved to 'approve' (a Perl program included with Mj, which you should've installed somewhere you can access from Pine). -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 07:14:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA04008 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA04001 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA08582 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:37:03 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA05001 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:37:01 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA07584; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:36:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA05174; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:36:59 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704081336.IAA05174@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Wrong addresses = mailing problems. To: rgg@labpar1.cs.buap.mx (Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:36:58 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez" at Apr 7, 97 05:54:11 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez writes: ] > > I had a problem few minutes ago. I tried to send mail to one of my > mailing lists and the mailer returned complaining about an unavailable > service, because of a wrong address. Someone had subscribed with an > address like @prime.net (that's, without a name), and apparently Majordomo > didn't catch it, and it was causing errors. Two questions: > > 1.- why did not Majordomo catch this address (@prime.net)? > 2.- what can I do to avoid this kind of subscriptions?. I thought this was taken care of in 1.94.1. Are you running 1.94.1? -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 07:22:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA03855 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA03801 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA08446 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:35:22 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA04943 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:35:19 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA16961; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:35:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA05150; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:35:18 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704081335.IAA05150@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: A recommendation to the membership To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:35:18 -0500 (CDT) Cc: dewey@newvision.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Jason L Tibbitts III" at Apr 7, 97 08:34:10 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Jason L Tibbitts III writes: ] > > >>>>> "DMS" == Dewey M Sasser writes: > > DMS> Actually, Dave and Jason (and others) might want to be a bit slower to > DMS> answer questions like that. > > Well, you're right; I try to answer well-posed questions I haven't seen in > a while (or at all) and ignore the rest. And here I just figured Jason was too busy on 2.x. :-) In my own defense, I jump on the easy questions because it tends to cut down on the volume of partial and/or incorrect answers, flames, and the whining about "why won't anyone answer my question?" I receive enough mail that I try to clear my mailboxes quickly, so if I don't respond when I get it, I don't respond to ML mail. Now that 1.9x is reaching maturity, I hope to back off from Mj mentoring. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 07:36:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA05032 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA05025 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA09546 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:50:37 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA05385 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:50:32 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA17152; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:50:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA18892; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:50:31 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704081350.IAA18892@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Making archives available To: craig@InContext.Ca (Craig McQueen) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:50:31 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199704081411.KAA00544@home.incontext.ca> from "Craig McQueen" at Apr 8, 97 08:59:24 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Craig McQueen writes: ] > > I have setup a quick way to make archived files available via > a web browser. I made the directory that the archives are in > available through http. (they are at: > http://www.cybermuscle.com/femuscle/backissues) > > The one problem is that the www account does not have read > permissions on the files. I manually changed a couple to try it out. > So two questions: > - Is there a good reason the files aren't readable by other users? > - Can the digest maker be easily changed so they are readable > by other users? In your majordomo.cf: # Set the umask for the process. Used to set default file status for # config file. # - umask(007); + umask($main'program_name eq 'mj_digest' ? 002 : 007); $config_umask = 007; # don't change this. It checks to make sure that you have a new enough -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 08:03:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA10434 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from light.lightlink.com (light.lightlink.com [205.232.34.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA10426 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (homer@localhost) by light.lightlink.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA11112; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:47:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Homer W. Smith" To: Roman Richardson cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970408130111.006adc98@mail.state.mn.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk /dev/null is a file, use "|/dev/null" ???? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Homer Wilson Smith News, Web, Telnet Art Matrix - Lightlink (607) 277-0959 SunOS 4.1.4 Sparc 20 Internet Access, Ithaca NY homer@lightlink.com info@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Roman Richardson wrote: > Hi, > > For some blasted reason my nobody alias isn't working. The entry is: > > nobody: /dev/null > > and everytime mail is sent to nobody it comes back with "User unknown: > /dev/null". Anybody know what could be causing this? > > Thanks, > Roman > --- > Roman Richardson > ITS4 / Mail*Hub Administrator > InterTechnologies Group > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 08:36:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA14937 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from urpin.isternet.sk (urpin.isternet.sk [195.72.0.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA14810 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rak.isternet.sk by urpin.isternet.sk with ESMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA021782796; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:19:56 +0200 Message-Id: <334A8C2C.214BCEB2@isternet.sk> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 17:19:24 -0100 From: Juraj Bednar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3C (X11; I; Linux 2.0.18 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: A problem with a mail X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've configured a majordomo 1.94 mailing list server & I do have a problem. I sent a mail once to the mailing list and it was sent to every user in a mailing list much much times (the first time this happend it was every hour, than - after upgrading sendmail it was about every 20 minutes). It's running on RedHat Linux 4.0 (now 4.1). I think the problem is with sendmail, because he did this with another mailing list server also, but you're my only chance to make it work. Thanx Juraj DarKie Bednar From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 10:06:37 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA02065 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iol-mail.iol.it (iol-mail.iol.it [194.20.24.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA02034 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pg-max-ip-57.iunet.it (pg-max-ip-57.iunet.it [193.76.53.57]) by iol-mail.iol.it (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA11008 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:54:41 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970408185539.083725c4@popmail.iol.it> X-Sender: sambucci@popmail.iol.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 18:55:39 +0200 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Luca Sambucci Subject: "easy" upgrade from 1.93 to 1.94.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, because of a problem on my system, I can't install a new version of Majordomo right now. Is it possible to upgrade from 1.93 (my current version) to 1.94.1 just by overwriting some files with the new ones? If it is, which files do I have to replace? ciao, Luca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Luca Sambucci www.sambucci.com luca@sambucci.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " There is no such problem that cannot be solved )\._.,--....,'``. by the appropriate application /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. of high explosives. " `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 10:22:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA02321 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA02249 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by lists.tax.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00284; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:56:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:56:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: "Homer W. Smith" cc: Roman Richardson , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Homer W. Smith wrote: > /dev/null is a file, use "|/dev/null" ???? Do the question marks mean you're not sure (then why answer?) or what? ;) My 'nobody' alias is as follows: nobody: /dev/null and it works fine. Perhaps Roman doesn't have /dev/null? I clobbered mine once (grin&blush), so Roman, check to see if you in fact have a /dev/null by typing ls -l /dev/null and seeing what you get back. I get back crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Feb 28 14:10 /dev/null but I'm running Linux, kernel 1.2.13. I don't know enough about *nix to say whether or not it's different on every OS or what. Of course, non-*nix OSs probably wouldn't have /dev/null, or even /dev/. I don't remember seeing a /dev directory on Windows NT 3.5.1, or under OS/2 Warp. G'luck, Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 12:08:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA23223 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.state.mn.us (mail.state.mn.us [204.73.26.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA23172 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roman.state.mn.us by mail.state.mn.us; Tue, 8 Apr 97 13:56:52 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970408190517.006e23bc@mail.state.mn.us> X-Sender: roman@mail.state.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 14:05:17 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Roman Richardson Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null - solved Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the replys, but I tried all of them and finally came up with - nobody: "|/usr/bin/cat >/dev/null" ...it's a bit messy, but it works fine now. Whatever. Thanks, Roman --- Roman Richardson ITS4 / Mail*Hub Administrator InterTechnologies Group From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 12:18:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA22512 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.hypersurf.com (mercury.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA22482 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aerosmith.newvision.com (dynamic4.hypersurf.com [206.40.41.21]) by mercury.hypersurf.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA09646; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aerosmith.newvision.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0802; Tue, 08 Apr 97 11:52:55 -0600 To: "Kendall P. Bullen" Cc: "Homer W. Smith" , Roman Richardson , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null References: From: "Dewey M. Sasser" Date: 08 Apr 1997 11:52:51 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Kendall P. Bullen"'s message of Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.33 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Kendall" == Kendall P Bullen writes: Kendall> Of course, non-*nix OSs probably wouldn't have /dev/null, Kendall> or even /dev/. I don't remember seeing a /dev directory Kendall> on Windows NT 3.5.1, or under OS/2 Warp. Under those OSes the null device is "nul". No path. One exists in every directory (Thank you Microsoft! That's so elegant!) (Yes, that last aside was sarcasm). Out of curiosity, is anyone running Majordomo on a Not-(U*X) system? -- Dewey M. Sasser voice: (617) 494-6000 dewey@newvision.com PGP Key from public servers PGP mail preferred. --- The difference between a fool and a wise man is not the things they know, it's the questions they ask... From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 12:21:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA19247 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA19189 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA06361 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:38:24 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA13498; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:38:24 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null References: Date: 08 Apr 1997 14:38:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Kendall P. Bullen"'s message of Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "KPB" == Kendall P Bullen writes: KPB> On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Homer W. Smith wrote: >> /dev/null is a file, use "|/dev/null" ???? KPB> Do the question marks mean you're not sure (then why answer?) or what? KPB> ;) Because sendmail that requires a pipe for that requires the entire thing to be enclosed in quotes. KPB> My 'nobody' alias is as follows: KPB> nobody: /dev/null Again, depends on your sendmail. Version 5 needs a pipe and quotes; version 8 does not. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0qQZZ6VRH7BJMxHAQE26AP9HUpfFMhzwZsS4MEVD4e4EEElnhnZ1eKv Nazk2c3VEt40lsfotxdRHG0ioE22YkhGdC9+m1QudiwsuUe4wt2qDWZcMmnnTg/i vySwrEbRj6TB4/XwspwbJ6vFatNFq58Nn5EnWWPVyC3ervvkMCC6hDwD9rLmpqnN jpc/VteCles= =oqMU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 13:07:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA01170 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id MAA01136 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA09730 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 8 Apr 97 12:49:44 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA19595 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 8 Apr 97 12:49:40 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA23188; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:49:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id OAA16688; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:45:33 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704081945.OAA16688@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null - solved To: Roman.Richardson@state.mn.us (Roman Richardson) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:45:32 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970408190517.006e23bc@mail.state.mn.us> from "Roman Richardson" at Apr 8, 97 02:05:17 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Roman Richardson writes: ] > > Thanks for all the replys, but I tried all of them and finally came up with - > > nobody: "|/usr/bin/cat >/dev/null" > > ...it's a bit messy, but it works fine now. > > Whatever. Indeed. I suspect you don't want any more advice on this subject, but is it possible that your sendmail is configured such that it won't (can't) deliver to a pathname? I'm suspicious of the "|/dev/null" solution because /dev/null isn't executable. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 13:38:37 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA06224 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA06214 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 198.69.60.14 (wgalkin.charm.net [198.69.60.14]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15420 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <334A63D6.2E17@lawcircle.com> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 16:27:21 +0100 From: "William S. Galkin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Who off Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all - I assume that this is a basic question - Can I as listowner turn off the who option under 1.94? Now I am not working directly with the server, so I would need to send a command, like when I change the password. Can a command string from me turn off the who or does the system administrator have to do this? Thanks for any help. Bill From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 13:45:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA02594 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA02567 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (root@augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06120 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (barr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA11554 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704081959.PAA11554@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null In-reply-to: Your message of "08 Apr 1997 14:38:24 EDT." References: X-Face: $+9-wYg.[->94HJ{go[7Q]E!K&hUg7ZhLyCMyq_FU*ca0GazE>^/2BKLcK0bP-'%;Nn?M+am,jlSP>1K$iz@ %'v'FEW{@](U&Ed/}>ju3Ctlr!XwJ27Q)7h2a%"`sz;j:/3EC[mXi@*X@HE1]'ddq$ZX"ePsMyTkeg >zdML.SVvX1W`adGIUD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:59:09 -0400 From: Dave Barr Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In message , Rich Pieri writes: >Again, depends on your sendmail. Version 5 needs a pipe and quotes; >version 8 does not. No. I don't think so. I recall doing nobody:/dev/null under 5.x sendmail with no problem. Besides, using nobody: "|/dev/null" _definately_ will not work because /dev/null is not a program. You can't pipe a device, only a program. Try running "/dev/null" as a command. It won't work. (at least it doesn't work under SunOS 4.x or 5.x, or FreeBSD, or AIX, or Linux. You usually get "Permission denied", though FreeBSD seems to spout "Text file busy".) I can see that you might need nobody: "/dev/null" however, but I can't see how a pipe is required. --Dave From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 14:06:51 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA08420 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from behemoth.tamu.edu (BEHEMOTH.TAMU.EDU [128.194.44.99]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA08391 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (psittler@localhost) by behemoth.tamu.edu (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29830; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:50:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:50:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul M. Sittler" To: "Dewey M. Sasser" cc: "Kendall P. Bullen" , "Homer W. Smith" , Roman Richardson , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 8 Apr 1997, Dewey M. Sasser wrote: > >>>>> "Kendall" == Kendall P Bullen writes: > > Kendall> Of course, non-*nix OSs probably wouldn't have /dev/null, > Kendall> or even /dev/. I don't remember seeing a /dev directory > Kendall> on Windows NT 3.5.1, or under OS/2 Warp. > > Under those OSes the null device is "nul". No path. One exists in > every directory (Thank you Microsoft! That's so elegant!) (Yes, that > last aside was sarcasm). > > Out of curiosity, is anyone running Majordomo on a Not-(U*X) system? Absolutely, but it may be a hair splitting thing. . . We run it on many machines under Linux, and. . . Linux is NOT unix. . . > -- > Dewey M. Sasser voice: (617) 494-6000 > dewey@newvision.com PGP Key from public servers > PGP mail preferred. > --- > The difference between a fool and a wise man is not the things > they know, it's the questions they ask... And I have probably given you a technically correct but useless answer. ------- Paul M. Sittler (root) | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice Leviathan System Admin | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU email: p-sittler@tamu.edu | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation A 486 is a terrible thing to waste... From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 14:38:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA12814 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enterprise (enterprise.america.com [206.125.236.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id OAA12736 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by enterprise via sendmail with stdio id for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:33:35 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1 built 1997-Jan-19) Message-Id: From: thierry@enterprise.america.com (Le chaud-lapin) Subject: Majordomo and Eudora To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:33:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi! I have a friend who is running a mailing list with majordomo 1.94.1 and he doesn't have shell access through his ISP so he must do everything via his mailer, which is Eudora. Now, is there any way to send bounced messages back through with, say, an approved header, and have it work? If so, how is this done with Eudora? Any other suggestions (and I've already tried to convince him to get another mailer - anyone have suggestions on good Windows mailers to use?)? Cheers! Shane -- Shane Ludwig thierry@america.com ************************************************************************** * Nous vivons eternellement, non dans les ecoles de pointilleurs de * * syllabes, mais dans le cercle des sages, ou l'on ne discute pas * * sur la mere d'Andromaque ou les fils de Niobe, mais ou l'on * * s'entretient des origines profondes des choses divines et humaines * * -Anonyme * ************************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 15:07:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA16347 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.fni.com (ns1.fni.com [204.181.104.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA16329 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.fni.com (ns1.fni.com [204.181.104.1]) by ns1.fni.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09717; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:59:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:59:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Brennen Reply-To: Michael Brennen To: "William S. Galkin" cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Who off In-Reply-To: <334A63D6.2E17@lawcircle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Check the who_access parameter in the .config file. You can do it by issuing the 'config' and 'newconfig' list commands. -- Michael On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, William S. Galkin wrote: > Can I as listowner turn off the who option under 1.94? Now I am not > working directly with the server, so I would need to send a command, > like when I change the password. > > Can a command string from me turn off the who or does the system > administrator have to do this? From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 15:36:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA21194 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.kemmunet.net.mt (mailhost.kemmunet.net.mt [194.106.64.40]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA21082 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from danvella (ku25.kemmunet.net.mt [194.106.64.128]) by ns.kemmunet.net.mt (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA17241 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:46:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <334AC77A.5F7@kemmunet.net.mt> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 00:32:26 +0200 From: Duncan Vella Reply-To: dvella@kemmunet.net.mt X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Moderated list. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, This seems to be an FAQ but I read all of them and even the Ora book and I cannot solve this problem. I have successfully installed and configured Majordomo 1.94.1 on a Unix platform with Perl 5.002. Everything works fine except when I try and do a moderated list. The majordomo seems to ignore the moderate = yes configuration. It still accepts any email sent to the list. I then tried configuring it using the restrict_post = but it was still ignored. The majordomo just accepts any mail that is posted for the list and does not ask the owner of the list to approve using the approve:password attribute. Am I missing some other configuration? I do have the approve perl script present. Do I have to invoke somehow? Thanks for your help. Duncan From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 15:51:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA19721 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.his.com (mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA19670 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.252.121.199] (shiva1-mclean-176.his.com [205.252.121.176]) by mail.his.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA03861; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:19:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: fandl@his.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:19:58 -0400 To: thierry@enterprise.america.com (Le chaud-lapin) From: linda.cunningham@his.com (Linda M. Cunningham) Subject: Re: Majordomo and Eudora Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >I have a friend who is running a mailing list with majordomo 1.94.1 and >he doesn't have shell access through his ISP so he must do everything >via his mailer, which is Eudora. Now, is there any way to send bounced >messages back through with, say, an approved header, and have it work? >If so, how is this done with Eudora? Any other suggestions (and I've >already tried to convince him to get another mailer - anyone have >suggestions on good Windows mailers to use?)? I do everything with my list using Eudora, and don't have a problem approving messages, however, I do remove all the non-essential header information (fronting it with the Approved: PASSWORD line, and leaving the To:, From:, Subject:, and Date: ones) and ensuring there is a space between the header info and the message I wish to transmit to the list. Linda ----------------------------------------------------------------- Linda M. Cunningham | List Owner, CANWINE http://www.his.com/~fandl/canwine.html - Canadian Wines Home Page ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 16:21:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA19710 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ess.harris.com (su15a.ess.harris.com [130.41.1.251]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA19653 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from losalamos.ess.harris.com (su102s.ess.harris.com [130.41.13.101]) by ess.harris.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10546 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Starkey.gasd102 by losalamos.ess.harris.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04382; Tue, 8 Apr 97 18:19:40 EDT Received: by Starkey.gasd102 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA11024; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:25:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:25:25 -0400 From: dpatters@su102s.ess.harris.com (Don Patterson) Message-Id: <199704082025.QAA11024@Starkey.gasd102> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: MAJORDOMO WARNING ()!! ...shlock.15419 has more than one link after opening X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Majordomo Users: Please help! I just put email archives under an ftp site, so they would be retrievable by "get" and ftp. Pertinent lines in my majordomo.cf now look like this: $filedir = "/export/home/ftp/pub/tech_committees"; $filedir_suffix = "/email"; These directories are not writable by majordomo (but I even tried that, temporarily). Ever since I set this up, I (as majordomo admin) am getting 3 messages about every 10 seconds that say: MAJORDOMO WARNING ()!! /export/home/ftp/pub/tech_committees/model/email/shlock.15419 has more than one link after opening MAJORDOMO WARNING ()!! shlock: cannot create temporary file: No such file or directory MAJORDOMO WARNING ()!! open of temp file /export/home/ftp/pub/tech_committees/model/email/shlock.15419 failed Permission denied Any clues? Please respond directly, I'll post a summary. ______________________________________________________________________ Don Patterson, Iowa'82 email: dpatters@harris.com | _ _ | Harris Corp. GASD WWW: http://www.harris.com | | |_| | | Pro/USER, Inc. WWW: http://www.prouser.org |_/\/\/\|_| Voice: (407) 727-6155 | |_| |_| | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 16:31:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA19712 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.hypersurf.com (mercury.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA19666 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aerosmith.newvision.com (port23.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.119]) by mercury.hypersurf.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA13307; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aerosmith.newvision.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0842; Tue, 08 Apr 97 15:19:36 -0600 To: "William S. Galkin" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Who off References: <334A63D6.2E17@lawcircle.com> From: "Dewey M. Sasser" Date: 08 Apr 1997 15:19:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: "William S. Galkin"'s message of Tue, 08 Apr 1997 16:27:21 +0100 Message-Id: Lines: 37 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.33 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Bill" == William S Galkin writes: Bill> Hello all - I assume that this is a basic question - Can I Bill> as listowner turn off the who option under 1.94? Now I am Bill> not working directly with the server, so I would need to Bill> send a command, like when I change the password. Bill> Can a command string from me turn off the who or does the Bill> system administrator have to do this? This is one of the options in the config file. Request the config file by sending mail to majordomo with the command: config You might find other options as well that you'd like to change. You then set the new config file by sending the command newconfig ... config file here ... EOF This is documented in the file "list-owner-info". If you do not have a copy, request one from your majordomo administrator. (Note that is *not* the same as the approval password.) -- Dewey M. Sasser voice: (617) 494-6000 dewey@newvision.com PGP Key from public servers PGP mail preferred. --- Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 16:38:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA26625 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1y-int.prodigy.net (mail1y-ext.prodigy.net [198.83.19.113]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA26596 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grayling.fishy.net ([172.16.3.90]) by mail1y-int.prodigy.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA69580 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:19:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:19:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199704082319.TAA69580@mail1y-int.prodigy.net> X-Sender: bonnie@pop.fishy.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Bonnie Scott Subject: Need help with MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -- Hi. I'm still trying to get over to 1.94.1 (just in time to re-upgrade to 1.94.2!), and I can't figure out why this is happening: >>> MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend)!! resend: $admin_headers not defined in /majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1/majordomo.cf !! Majordomo will only catch "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" in the subject field... <<<< Yet when I do this: $ grep admin_headers /majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1/majordomo.cf I get: $admin_headers = <<'END'; In fact, here's what I have in majordomo.cf: # Administrative checks. These used to be buried in the resend code # $admin_headers = <<'END'; /^subject:\s*subscribe\b/i /^subject:\s*unsubscribe\b/i /^subject:\s*uns\w*b/i /^subject:\s*.*un-sub/i /^subject:\s*help\b/i /^subject:\s.*\bchange\b.*\baddress\b/i /^subject:\s*request\b(.*\b)?addition\b/i END I looked through the resend code, and I would think that if it couldn't read majordomo.cf, it would complain here: if (! -r $cf) { die("$cf not readable; stopped"); } So the 'require "$cf";' on the next line should work, no? And if MD can require majordomo.cf, it should get $admin_headers! I don't get any hints that MD can't find majordomo.cf: wrapper config-test works just fine, majordomo.cf is world-readable, etc. I only get complaints about $admin_headers and $admin_body from resend when sending a message to my test list, presumably from this section: if (! defined($admin_headers)) { &bitch("resend: \$admin_headers not defined in $cf !!\n" . "Majordomo will only catch \"subscribe\" and \"unsubscribe\" in\n" . "the subject field...\n"); I'm running PERL 5.003 here (with EMBED, whatever that means.) and everything else seems to work -- the message does get delivered to the list. Thanks, Bonnie Scott Prodigy Services Corp. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 16:46:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA21193 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA21119 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA22918; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA29664; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:33:01 -0400 Message-ID: <19970408183301.QX63489@smoe.org> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:33:01 -0400 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: thierry@enterprise.america.com (Le chaud-lapin) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo and Eudora References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from "Le chaud-lapin" on Apr 8, 1997 17:33:34 -0400 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Le chaud-lapin writes: > Hi! > > I have a friend who is running a mailing list with majordomo 1.94.1 and > he doesn't have shell access through his ISP so he must do everything > via his mailer, which is Eudora. Now, is there any way to send bounced > messages back through with, say, an approved header, and have it work? > If so, how is this done with Eudora? Any other suggestions (and I've > already tried to convince him to get another mailer - anyone have > suggestions on good Windows mailers to use?)? I just spent quite a bit of time on the phone with one of my list-owners (and I do this for free?!?!?!?!) trying to help him use Eudora to approve messages. Note, that in general, the list-owner info file that majordomo includes in version 1.94.x is quite good. Now if we could only get people to read AND STUDY it, we'd be ok. (as an aside, I have a copy of the list-owner boilerplate text at http://www.smoe.org/lists/list-owner-info.html) What we found that works with Eudora is to copy the bounced message to a new compose window, and put the Approved: password line on the first line (as the info file says). One problem we ran into was that when the list-owner cut and paste'd the message from window to window, he wrapped the Received: lines and it caused majordomo to send thru an improperly formatted message. So, I suggested he just remove the Received: lines after he pasted the message in, and it worked OK. If anyone has any better suggestions for approving with Eudora, I'd appreciate hearing from them. I myself would be lost without approve (-: Jeff From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 16:51:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA29213 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA29159 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA02752 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA01141; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:40:27 -0400 Message-ID: <19970408194026.DS44854@smoe.org> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:40:26 -0400 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: dvella@kemmunet.net.mt Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Moderated list. References: <334AC77A.5F7@kemmunet.net.mt> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <334AC77A.5F7@kemmunet.net.mt>; from "Duncan Vella" on Apr 9, 1997 00:32:26 +0200 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Duncan Vella writes: > Hi, > > This seems to be an FAQ but I read all of them and even the Ora book > and I cannot solve this problem. > > I have successfully installed and configured Majordomo 1.94.1 on a Unix > platform with Perl 5.002. > > Everything works fine except when I try and do a moderated list. Are you using resend in your listname alias? You have to, or else there's no way for majordomo to control the list. Jeff From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 17:53:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA03870 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id RAA03676 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us (sparkie.osl.state.or.us [192.84.215.34]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id RAA06644 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA14386; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:04:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:04:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Adams To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: approving messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have been trying to get this approve messages figured out, and am making small advances, but I still have a few questions. I am using Pine mail and have "full headers" and "enable pipe" turned on. I have a .majordomo file in my home directory with the listname, password, and majordomo address for each list, on a separate line. Here is the situation: If I get a request to approve an address (with "approve in the subject field), I can pipe the message successfully for approval. If there is a "bounce" in the subject field, I use the same routine for approval, and it appears to work, but the message is never sent to the list. This is for moderated lists, and messages that are hung up because of administrivia turned on. Can someone enlighten me as to how to treat the messages with "bounce" in the subject field as opposed to those that have "approve"? Christopher Adams From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 18:07:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA10129 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotel.uws.EDU.AU (hotel.uws.EDU.AU [137.154.40.110]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA10077 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotel.uws.edu.au ([137.154.42.25]) by hotel.uws.EDU.AU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17578; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:01:37 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970409110142.360fd760@hotel.uws.edu.au> X-Sender: anthonyf@hotel.uws.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:01:42 To: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) From: Tony Fathers Subject: Re: Majordomo and Eudora Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <19970408183301.QX63489@smoe.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 06:33 PM 08/04/97 -0400, Jeff wrote: >Le chaud-lapin writes: so he must do everything >> via his mailer, which is Eudora. Now, is there any way to send bounced >> messages back through with, say, an approved header, and have it work? >> If so, how is this done with Eudora? Any other suggestions (and I've >If anyone has any better suggestions for approving with Eudora, >I'd appreciate hearing from them. I myself would be lost without >approve (-: > My web page at http://www.hawkesbury.uws.edu.au/~anthonyf/mlownmaj.htm was written with Eudora list owners (MD 1.93 - upgrade coming...) in mind. I don't claim it is complete, or the last word, but it may be of use. It covers approvals using Eudora's redirect option. If anyone spots any errors, I'd like to know. ;^) Regards Tony F Oz From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 18:31:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA10904 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id SAA10885 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA22538 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snark.wizard.com (snark.wizard.com [199.171.28.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id QAA22308 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcy Kulic To: "Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica" cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo 1.94.1 and unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <199704071518.MAA18739@unix1.ism.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Try setting unsubscribe_policy to open instead of closed in the list config file. Marcy On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica wrote: > Hi: > > I've upgraded from 1.93 to 1.94.1 . I have several closed lists. The > question is > that before the upgrade, any 'unsubscribe' sent to majordomo was automatic. Now, > majordomo asks me to approve the action. In my situation I only want to control > the subscriptions... Anything that I can do about it ? > > Thanks a lot !! > > Regards, > Helio. > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 18:36:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA15235 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ds9.abac.com (ds9.abac.com [206.171.121.64]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id SAA15160 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30847 invoked by uid 501); 9 Apr 1997 01:30:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Newall To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Homer W. Smith wrote: > /dev/null is a file, use "|/dev/null" ???? Nope, that'll try to pipe it to a *program* called /dev/null, which will result in "permission denied". This is an extremely stupid question, but this problem bit me once too, so I'll ask anyway: :) Did you remember to run "newaliases" after entering that "nobody" alias? ********************************************************************** * Bryce Newall * IRC: Data * Email: data@dal.net * * WWW: http://voyager.abac.com/data * IRC Admin, voyager.dal.net * * --== Try DALnet! Server irc.dal.net, port 7000 ==-- * * "Stop smirking, Number 1." -- J.L. Picard * * "I'm a doctor, not a doorstop!" -- EMH Program, ST:FC * ********************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 18:41:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA11008 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id SAA10988 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA08302 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id SAA23280 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16955; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:32:26 -0500 (CDT) To: compland@ism.com.br (Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo 1.94.1 and unsubscribing References: <199704071518.MAA18739@unix1.ism.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Apr 1997 20:32:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: compland@ism.com.br's message of Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:18:08 -0300 Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "HC" == Helio Coelho writes: HC> The question is that before the upgrade, any 'unsubscribe' sent to HC> majordomo was automatic. Now, majordomo asks me to approve the HC> action. In my situation I only want to control the HC> subscriptions... What do you have unsubscribe_policy set to? If you set it to closed, you will be asked to approve all unsubscriptions. If you're using a list.private file, you should delete it and use the config variables. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 18:44:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA11048 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id SAA11027 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx [132.248.250.79]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA08915 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA19767 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:40:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:40:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Antonio Benita To: Majordomo Users Subject: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/REPORT; REPORT-TYPE=delivery-status; BOUNDARY="TAB19522.860459796/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx" Content-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --TAB19522.860459796/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: I keep getting an error like this: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:36 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: owner-test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Subject: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken The original message was received at Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:35 -0500 from majordomo.daemon@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- test-outgoing :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l...majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/archive/test/test.archive" (expanded from: test-outgoing) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l...majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/archive/test/test.archive"... Cannot open /usr/test/majordomo-1.94..1/lists/test|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing: No such file or directory Message delivered to mailing list test-outgoing 554 test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken My aliases file looks like: test: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper resend -l test -h medinfo.fmedic.una$test-digest: test test-outgoing: :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/majo$archive" test-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test-digest owner-test: abenita owner-test-outgoing: owner-test owner-test-digest: owner-test owner-test-digest-outgoing: owner-test test-request: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper request-answer test" test-digest-request: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper request-answer test-d$test-approval: abenita test-digest-approval: test-approval What am I doing wrong???? Thanks AB --TAB19522.860459796/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Content-Type: MESSAGE/DELIVERY-STATUS Content-ID: Content-Description: Reporting-MTA: dns; medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Arrival-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:35 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; test-outgoing@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:36 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; test-outgoing@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Action: failed Status: 5.2.4 Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:36 -0500 --TAB19522.860459796/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Content-Type: TEXT/RFC822-HEADERS; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo.daemon@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA19522 for test-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx: majordomo.daemon set sender to owner-test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx using -f Received: (from abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA19518 for test; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:31 -0500 From: Antonio Benita Message-Id: <199704080036.TAA19518@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx> To: test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Sender: owner-test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Precedence: bulk --TAB19522.860459796/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 18:51:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA19171 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv2.pcy.mci.net (mailsrv2.pcy.mci.net [204.71.1.40]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA19158 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newmicronpc (usr18-dialup22.mix1.Sacramento.mci.net) by MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-8 #10044) id <01IHH7P934QO8WW1DO@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:47:23 EDT Received: from newmicronpc (usr18-dialup22.mix1.Sacramento.mci.net) by MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-8 #10045) with ESMTP id <01IHH7O3UYT88Y4Z3N@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 08 Apr 1997 21:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 19:47:50 -0600 From: geoco Subject: No advertise MJ 1.93 To: users list majordomo Message-id: <01IHH7O4KBGE8Y4Z3N@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, Believe me I've read and reread the manuals and FAQs, I think it's just a syntax problem. How do I invoke no advertise for anyone? I assume it's this entry in the list config file. # noadvertise [regexp_array] (undef) # If the requestor name matches one of these regexps, then the list # will not be listed in the output of a lists command. Noadvertise # overrides advertise. noadvertise << END The FAQ entry 2. If the from address matches a regexp in noadvertise (e.g. /.*/) the list is not shown. Could someone please give me the exact syntax? /.*/ <; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (homer@localhost) by light.lightlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11424; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Homer W. Smith" Reply-To: "Homer W. Smith" To: Roman Richardson cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null - solved In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970408190517.006e23bc@mail.state.mn.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > nobody: "|/usr/bin/cat >/dev/null" Right "| /dev/null" won't work because it isn't a program. I should have said "> /dev/null", but presumably sendmail doesn't like that. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 19:11:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA20547 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tempest.cybersight.com (tempest.cybersight.com [192.220.232.28]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id TAA20529 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from johnny.cybersight.com (root@johnny.cybersight.com [192.220.232.20]) by tempest.cybersight.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11766 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from johnny.cybersight.com (chuff@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by johnny.cybersight.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12844 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704090159.SAA12844@johnny.cybersight.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Hiding From: address? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 18:59:15 -0700 From: Chris Hufnagel Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I've installed majordomo properly, everything works as advertised. Now I'd like to be able to have the From: address place something like list-owner@mycompany.com instead of the name of the actual sender since our moderators don't need to be named on the message headers. The directives "reply_to" and "sender" dont effect the From: header so that isn't going to help. Is there an easy fix or should I start spelunking into resend/sendmail to get this done right? Thanks for any suggestions. -chris chuff@cybersight.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 19:21:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA21449 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [15.253.72.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id TAA21435 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpautorf.aus.hp.com (hpautorf.aus.hp.com [15.19.208.107]) by palrel1.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA19782 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hpautorf.aus.hp.com (1.40.112.4/16.2+CNS 4.0 ) id AA166891575; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:06:15 +1000 From: Peter Westley Message-Id: <199704090206.AA166891575@hpautorf.aus.hp.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:06:15 +1000 (EST) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: how to stop auto-reply loop? X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3-960829-hp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is there a built in way that Mj can detect and stop a potential auto-reply loop? My problem arose when someone was on sick leave, put auto-reply on and was still dialing in from his sick bed (sick eh?). He sent a help command to Mj which came back to him, which was replied automatically by his auto-reply which was interpreted as another request for help which Mj filled and so on. Any way to fix? Cheers, Peter -- Peter Westley .-_!\ mailto:peter_westley@aus.hp.com Communications Measurement Div. /CMD-A\ Phone: +61 3 9210 5548 Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd \_.-._/ Fax: +61 3 9210 5550 RF: VK3DXD v GPS: 37 51'46"S 145 10'03"E From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 21:06:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA05999 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.oulu.fi (lists.oulu.fi [130.231.241.85]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id VAA05976 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mhotti@localhost) by lists.oulu.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA04307 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:02:23 +0300 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:02:23 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Hotti X-Sender: mhotti@majordomo.oulu.fi To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: problems with /dev/null - another potential solution In-Reply-To: <199704081959.PAA11554@augusta.math.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Someone had problems with mailing to alias nobody: /dev/null under Linux. Could you please check the output of this command: /usr/lib/sendmail -d11.5,44.4 -v nobody < /dev/null (or /usr/sbin/sendmail...) See the nlink=XXX value. It should be 1 since the new sendmail versions require this. If the link count of the file /dev/null >1, then switch to root, rm the file /dev/null and then recreate it with mknod command. /Marko Marko Hotti System Administrator / Medical Student / Vocalist & Pianist -- Phones: +358 40 552 8415 (mobile) +358 8 530 4268 (home) +358 8 312 7172 (otho) SnailMail: Tervontie 4 C 11, FIN-90230 OULU, Finland Public PGP encryption key available on request --> mhotti@lists.oulu.fi www.lists.oulu.fi (list services home page) www.cc.oulu.fi/~mhotti (personal) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 21:13:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA06002 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop.life.uiuc.edu (pop.life.uiuc.edu [130.126.49.71]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id VAA05984 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pop.life.uiuc.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA25803; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:02:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:02:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey Haas Reply-To: jeff@pop.life.uiuc.edu To: geoco cc: users list majordomo Subject: Re: No advertise MJ 1.93 In-Reply-To: <01IHH7O4KBGE8Y4Z3N@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I believe you should put the regexp after the << END, so the lines look like: noadvertise << END /.*/ END I just tried that today and it worked fine. I don't know of a global noadvertise. As an aside, I'd like to say that I downloaded Majordomo 1.94.1 a week or so ago. After some reading and experimenting, I transfered many lists from an old List Processor system. Everything went very smoothly and I find Majordomo to be very well organized. Thanks to everyone who has made Majordomo the fine piece of work it is! --jeff On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, geoco wrote: > Greetings, > > Believe me I've read and reread the manuals and FAQs, I think it's just a > syntax problem. How do I invoke no advertise for anyone? I assume it's > this entry in the list config file. > > # noadvertise [regexp_array] (undef) > # If the requestor name matches one of these regexps, then the list > # will not be listed in the output of a lists command. Noadvertise > # overrides advertise. > noadvertise << END > > The FAQ entry > 2. If the from address matches a regexp in noadvertise (e.g. /.*/) > the list is not shown. > > Could someone please give me the exact syntax? /.*/ < "/.*/"< this line? > > Is there any way to not advertise all lists besides editing every list > config file? > > Much obliged. > > George > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 21:23:48 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA06248 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id VAA06231 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.147.98.92]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA15681; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 04:06:48 +0000 Message-ID: <334B31CF.14AB@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 23:06:07 -0700 From: Kirk Sansom X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Wolfe CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: More installation questions References: <199704071347.IAA15258@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dave Wolfe wrote: > (clip) > Correct. > > > This is actually the "majordomo" alias. It's configurable since it > doesn't *have* to be the string "majordomo". > > -- > Dave Wolfe Thanks for the response. I had one other response that was somewhat rather unfriendly. In fact, my misfortune of trying to install and configure majordomo with a beginners' Unix background and the lack of response or help from the list has forced me to switch to Listserv Lite Freeware. So far, it seems to be much, much easier to install and set up, although I haven't actually installed it yet. But the thorough documentation seems to be very simple and straight forward. Althought Listserv lacks any add-on graphical interfaces, the documentation is thorough and easy to understand, even for a Unix novice like me. The features are abundant and the bugs seem to be few, so far. Of course, I understand the origin of and appreciate the hard work put into majordomo by self-sacrificing volunteers, it's just not for me ... yet. Someday, I'll come to know Unix like I do DOS. Until then, ... Thanks again, ks __________________ Kirk Sansom kirsan@worldnet.att.net ksansom@juno.com Jackson, MS From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 21:51:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA09117 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx [132.248.250.79]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id VAA09017 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA31074 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:39:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:39:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Antonio Benita To: Majordomo Users Subject: Inter vs. Cyrix Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Sorry to bother you with this question: Can somebody tell me the advantages or disadvantages of cyrix over intel chip procesors??? Cyrix is cheapper but I dont know how relliable. Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Antonio Benita MD Unidad de Neuroinmunologia Instituto Nacional de Neurologia/Instituto de Investigaciones Biomedicas Fax: (525)-5-28-00-95 Tel: (525)-6-06-38-22 ext. 2004 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Departamento de Servicios de Computo Facultad de Medicina Tel: (525)-6-23-23-54 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 8 22:25:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA14610 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from valjean.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us ([170.180.106.55]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id WAA14588 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maxwell.ml.org (amethyst@maxwell.ml.org [170.180.106.254]) by valjean.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us (8.8.4/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06378 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:10:54 -0400 Received: (from amethyst@localhost) by maxwell.ml.org (8.8.0/8.7.3) id BAA04266; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:17:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:17:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199704090517.BAA04266@maxwell.ml.org> From: Neil Moore To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: (psittler@behemoth.tamu.edu) Subject: Re: problems with /dev/null Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Paul M. Sittler wrote: > On 8 Apr 1997, Dewey M. Sasser wrote: > > Out of curiosity, is anyone running Majordomo on a Not-(U*X) system? > > Absolutely, but it may be a hair splitting thing. . . > > We run it on many machines under Linux, and. . . > > Linux is NOT unix. . . Paraphrasing RMS, I see. Linux is just as much Unix as Solaris, HPUX, AIX (ugh), BSD, or any of those other Unix-resembling operating systems. If you want to be technical, none of those are Unix -- only SCO (and, previously, Netware and AT&T) makes Unix. If you're not a lawyer or an SCO PR exec, though, it is Unix -- the Linux provides the same general set of system calls, and has the same general design, as the OS designed so long ago by bored programmers at Bell Labs. It may not share the same code, and it may not be 100% compatible (then again, SysV probably isn't either :), but, in spirit, Linux *is* Unix, dammit. Actually, Linux is probably more POSIX-compliant than the real thing :) Neil "ducking under a table to hide from the ensuing flame war" Moore -- -Neil Moore http://www.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us/~amethyst/ (finger amethyst@valjean.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us for my Geek Code) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 00:06:31 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA24265 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siu.cen.buap.mx (siu.buap.mx [148.228.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id XAA24257 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labpar1.cs.buap.mx ([148.228.20.4]) by siu.cen.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20240; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 02:06:04 GMT Received: from localhost by labpar1.cs.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06894; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:51:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:51:45 -0600 (CST) From: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez To: Dave Wolfe Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Wrong addresses = mailing problems. In-Reply-To: <199704081336.IAA05174@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Dave Wolfe wrote: > > 1.- why did not Majordomo catch this address (@prime.net)? > > 2.- what can I do to avoid this kind of subscriptions?. > > I thought this was taken care of in 1.94.1. Are you running 1.94.1? Hi, yes, I am using that version. > Dave Wolfe Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez. Fac. de Ciencias de la Computacion. B.U.A.P. e-mail: rodolfo@siu.cen.buap.mx al103@solarium.cs.buap.mx rgg@labpar1.cs.buap.mx oxygene@geocities.com WWW: http://labpar1.cs.buap.mx/~rgg/ (IP: 148.228.20.4) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/9915/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 00:19:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA24513 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siu.cen.buap.mx (siu.buap.mx [148.228.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id XAA24506 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labpar1.cs.buap.mx ([148.228.20.4]) by siu.cen.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20249; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 02:07:57 GMT Received: from localhost by labpar1.cs.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06897; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:53:39 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:53:39 -0600 (CST) From: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Wrong addresses = mailing problems. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 7 Apr 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > RGG> 1.- why did not Majordomo catch this address (@prime.net)? > > Oh, a bug, probably. Hmm, maybe. > RGG> 2.- what can I do to avoid this kind of subscriptions?. > > You can periodically run your list through > ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/majordomo/validate_addresses. This is a preview > of the code in Majordomo][ which syntax-checks addresses. Great, thanks a lot. > It should be possible to back-port the code in validate_addresses to > 1.94.x, but I haven't tried it. I'll check it. Thanks again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez. Fac. de Ciencias de la Computacion. B.U.A.P. e-mail: rodolfo@siu.cen.buap.mx al103@solarium.cs.buap.mx rgg@labpar1.cs.buap.mx oxygene@geocities.com WWW: http://labpar1.cs.buap.mx/~rgg/ (IP: 148.228.20.4) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/9915/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 00:36:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA27310 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enterprise (enterprise.america.com [206.125.236.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id AAA27303 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by enterprise via sendmail with stdio id for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 03:22:57 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1 built 1997-Jan-19) Message-Id: From: thierry@enterprise.america.com (Le chaud-lapin) Subject: Re: Majordomo and Eudora To: linda.cunningham@his.com (Linda M. Cunningham) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 03:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Linda M. Cunningham" at Apr 8, 97 06:19:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Linda M. Cunningham said: > I do everything with my list using Eudora, and don't have a problem > approving messages, however, I do remove all the non-essential header > information (fronting it with the Approved: PASSWORD line, and leaving the > To:, From:, Subject:, and Date: ones) and ensuring there is a space between > the header info and the message I wish to transmit to the list. Hi Linda! How do you weed out the unwanted headers? Cut and paste? We tried last night with me sending him a message from an unsubscribed account and he tried using the "redirect" and the "send on" (or something close) commands and both of those gave us the same result... the message went through with all the previous headers intact, including the BOUNCE:non-member submission one as the subject of the email as it appeared on the list. He sent it to the listaddress instead of majordomo. Should he have sent it to majordomo instead? Cheers! Shane -- Shane Ludwig thierry@america.com ************************************************************************** * Nous vivons eternellement, non dans les ecoles de pointilleurs de * * syllabes, mais dans le cercle des sages, ou l'on ne discute pas * * sur la mere d'Andromaque ou les fils de Niobe, mais ou l'on * * s'entretient des origines profondes des choses divines et humaines * * -Anonyme * ************************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 02:06:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id BAA07069 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk (lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id BAA07053 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:52:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Epstein Message-Id: <12502.199704090851@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA12502; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:51:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: blank subject line To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (mju) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:51:04 +0100 (BST) Organization: Maths Institute, Warwick University, Coventry, UK. Acknowledge-To: dbae@maths.warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I would like to register a wish for the next issue of mj. I hope one of the workers will see this. My configfile tags each subjectline with the listname. This works well, and zubscribers tell me they appreciate being able to distinguish listmail from other mail. The problem comes when someone sends in a posting with blank subjectline. Could mj be told that if there is no subjectline, then one should be added, containing only the standard tag that is added to all non-empty subjectlines. David Epstein From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 02:10:51 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA08171 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 02:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-28.netcom.ca [207.181.94.92]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id CAA08143 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 02:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id FAA03075; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:59:15 -0300 (ADT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:59:15 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Antonio Benita cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Inter vs. Cyrix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Antonio Benita wrote: > Sorry to bother you with this question: > > Can somebody tell me the advantages or disadvantages of cyrix over intel > chip procesors??? > I don't believe that Majordomo really knows the difference *shrug* One is as good to it as the other :) Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 05:36:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA04946 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mitra.com (shark.mitra.com [192.190.75.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id FAA04873 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turbot.mitra.com by mitra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA15026; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:26:02 -0400 Organization: Mitra Imaging Inc. Waterloo, Ontario. +1.519.746.2900 Received: by turbot.mitra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA07830; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:26:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:26:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199704091226.IAA07830@turbot.mitra.com> From: Larry Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line X-Mailer: VM 6.20/Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Some of the lists that I am on put a nice little prefix on the subject. This is a great aid when previewing 100 new messages in one's inbox in the morning. Any chance we might be able to institute a similiar feature for this list? Something like what I have put on this subject line? Unfortunately, as it turns out, the only lists that I am subscribed to that actually do this, I get in digest format. This "feature" in a digest is not particularly helpful. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 05:43:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA04547 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mitra.com (shark.mitra.com [192.190.75.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id FAA04468 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turbot.mitra.com by mitra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA14906; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:20:00 -0400 Organization: Mitra Imaging Inc. Waterloo, Ontario. +1.519.746.2900 Received: by turbot.mitra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA07826; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:19:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:19:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199704091219.IAA07826@turbot.mitra.com> From: Larry Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mareb@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: blank subject line In-Reply-To: David Epstein's message of 9 April 1997 09:51:04 +0100 References: <12502.199704090851@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.20/Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk David Epstein writes: > Could mj be told that if there is no subjectline, then one should be > added, containing only the standard tag that is added to all non-empty > subjectlines. I prefer that messages with no subject line be returned to the sender. This has the added benefit that all the list members do not have to actually read the body of a message to discover its main point. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 06:51:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA11036 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 06:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA11027 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 06:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA06761 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 97 06:39:08 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA10938 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 97 06:39:07 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA14731; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:39:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA11646; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:39:05 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704091339.IAA11646@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken (fwd) To: abenita@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (Antonio Benita) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:39:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Antonio Benita" at Apr 7, 97 07:40:52 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Antonio Benita writes: ] > > I keep getting an error like this: [...] > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 550 :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l...majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/archive/test/test.archive"... Cannot open /usr/test/majordomo-1.94..1/lists/test|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing: No such file or directory > > My aliases file looks like: > > test: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper resend -l test -h > medinfo.fmedic.una$test-digest: test > test-outgoing: :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test > "|/usr/test/majo$archive" > test-digest-outgoing: > :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test-digest [...] Your alias listing didn't make it through the mail very well (or it's really screwed up), but given what sendmail thinks the "test-outgoing" alias resolves to (from the error message), I'd say your aliases are really a mess. Look there for the problem. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 07:21:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA15622 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA15585 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA09779 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 97 07:19:33 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA12345 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 97 07:19:29 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA02357; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:19:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA17364; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:19:28 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704091419.JAA17364@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: approving messages To: chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:19:28 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Christopher Adams" at Apr 8, 97 05:04:10 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Christopher Adams writes: ] > > I have been trying to get this approve messages figured out, and am > making small advances, but I still have a few questions. I am using > Pine mail and have "full headers" and "enable pipe" turned on. I have > a .majordomo file in my home directory with the listname, password, > and majordomo address for each list, on a separate line. Here is the > situation: > > If I get a request to approve an address (with "approve in the subject > field), I can pipe the message successfully for approval. If there is > a "bounce" in the subject field, I use the same routine for approval, > and it appears to work, but the message is never sent to the list. > This is for moderated lists, and messages that are hung up because of > administrivia turned on. Can someone enlighten me as to how to treat > the messages with "bounce" in the subject field as opposed to those > that have "approve"? Exactly the same way. Sorta sounds like approve isn't getting the complete Subject header, but you can run approve with a '-d' option so that instead of mailing the approved message it displays it on stdout. Also be sure you're using the version of approve that matches your Mj installation (compare it to the file in the source distribution). -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 07:36:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA16604 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA16596 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA10874 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 9 Apr 97 07:29:41 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA12912 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 9 Apr 97 07:29:38 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA15127; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:29:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA17198; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:29:37 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704091429.JAA17198@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: how to stop auto-reply loop? To: peterj@hpautorf.aus.hp.com (Peter Westley) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:29:36 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199704090206.AA166891575@hpautorf.aus.hp.com> from "Peter Westley" at Apr 9, 97 12:06:15 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Peter Westley writes: ] > > Is there a built in way that Mj can detect and stop a potential > auto-reply loop? My problem arose when someone was on sick leave, put > auto-reply on and was still dialing in from his sick bed (sick eh?). > He sent a help command to Mj which came back to him, which was replied > automatically by his auto-reply which was interpreted as another > request for help which Mj filled and so on. 1.94.1 has a $majordomo_dont_reply variable in the majordomo.cf file which is a regex listing the addresses (not domains) that majordomo should not reply to. Does the auto-reply come from the user or some automaton user? -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 07:43:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA16219 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA16181 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA10449 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 97 07:25:31 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA12716 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 97 07:25:26 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA02464; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:25:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA17160; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:25:25 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704091425.JAA17160@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Hiding From: address? To: chuff@cybersight.com (Chris Hufnagel) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199704090159.SAA12844@johnny.cybersight.com> from "Chris Hufnagel" at Apr 8, 97 06:59:15 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Chris Hufnagel writes: ] > > Hello, I've installed majordomo properly, everything works as advertised. > Now I'd like to be able to have the From: address place something like > list-owner@mycompany.com instead of the name of the actual sender since our > moderators don't need to be named on the message headers. Am I correct in assuming that this is only happening on moderated lists or at least on approved messages? Then the problem is that the messages aren't being approved properly. When the Approved: header is inserted in the body, resend expects it to be followed by the "real" headers for the outgoing message. Otherwise, if the "moderators" are the originators of the messages, then of course they will appear in the From: headers. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 08:06:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA19085 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnct.com (cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA19051 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from @tenant.net (ts2-6.ny [204.4.45.87]) by cnct.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA24409 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:05:56 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970409094649.5cb73e50@tenant.net> X-Sender: tenant@tenant.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 09:46:49 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: TenantNet Subject: Digest triggers early Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm perplexed. Our digest seems to be working, but rather than waiting until it "fills up" it triggers and gets sent out when it's about 10K in size. We're not using mkdigest at this time. In the digest config file, we have the options set as: digest_maxdays = 1 digest_maxlines = maxlength = 40000 I know the maxdays would indicate it goes out once a day but that doesn't seem to work either. We're not high volume yet and I had a few messages sit there for several days, so the maxdays didn't send them out irrespective of the size, but when I added a new message to the pile (so to speak) it triggered it. The resulting digest was only 9,243 bytes. The 40,000 might be high, but it should allow me to decide when to trigger a digest with mkdigest, yes?. Or am I missing something. If I undefined maxdays, would I then have complete control up to the 40K? Have I missed any parameters? Does the regular non-digest list (that feeds the digest) config file have any bearing on this? Thanks. John Fisher From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 08:14:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA18965 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA18949 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA12756 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 97 07:50:14 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA13749 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 97 07:50:11 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA02694; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:50:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA14990; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:50:10 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704091450.JAA14990@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: blank subject line To: mareb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (David Epstein) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:50:09 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <12502.199704090851@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "David Epstein" at Apr 9, 97 09:51:04 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ David Epstein writes: ] > > My configfile tags each subjectline with the listname. This works > well, and zubscribers tell me they appreciate being able to > distinguish listmail from other mail. The problem comes > when someone sends in a posting with blank subjectline. > > Could mj be told that if there is no subjectline, then one should be > added, containing only the standard tag that is added to all non-empty > subjectlines. See the February 1997 Mj-workers archive . Choose the [thread] index and look for "subject_prefix without subjects...". The first followup by Jason has a patch that should do what you want and an agrument as to why Mj shouldn't do what you're asking. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 08:24:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA21510 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA21485 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA07744; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:16:44 -0500 (CDT) To: David Epstein Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (mju) Subject: Re: blank subject line References: <12502.199704090851@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 09 Apr 1997 10:16:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: David Epstein's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:51:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DE" == David Epstein writes: DE> Could mj be told that if there is no subjectline, then one should be DE> added, containing only the standard tag that is added to all non-empty DE> subjectlines. I already submitted a patch for 1.94.2 to take care of this. I believe that it has been accepted. It was not made configurable. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 09:22:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA00291 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA00173 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09248; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:08:57 -0500 (CDT) To: David Epstein Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (mju) Subject: Re: blank subject line References: <12502.199704090851@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 09 Apr 1997 11:08:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jason L Tibbitts III's message of 09 Apr 1997 10:16:43 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes: JLT> I already submitted a patch for 1.94.2 to take care of this. I believe JLT> that it has been accepted. Unfortunately that is incorrect; the patch was _NOT_ accepted. It is still available at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-workers/9702/msg00008.html as a patch against 1.94.1. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 09:43:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA00781 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA00770 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA28847 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:12:37 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA04349; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:12:38 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: how to stop auto-reply loop? References: <199704090206.AA166891575@hpautorf.aus.hp.com> Date: 09 Apr 1997 12:12:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: Peter Westley's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:06:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "PW" == Peter Westley writes: PW> Is there a built in way that Mj can detect and stop a potential PW> auto-reply loop? No. Such loops are impossible to detect before they happen. All you can do is fix the damage once they occour by: * Set up a taboo_header or taboo_body that filters on something unique that occours in the looping message. This will prevent loops originating at a particular site from continuing. * Remove any and all reply_to mailboxes. This will prevent 99% of all mail loops before they start. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0u/7J6VRH7BJMxHAQFviwP/Z/y9mBAmQ0lPaNBhbmSiDa7o3NNV+rLR 7MFpVXrHXrm3j2jRMP7rP+s3XUfbb1IPjCYNk/g6uwiT320nBzf4RBtPh2NvLBgb 98cgd7uamd1eBX7912P26OVHy6FepomnmxPmZiT+TcOYILic3oTLV8+1xrkXsFMA EG6nKhTDv80= =e0AF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 10:05:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA00481 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA00397 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA28802 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:10:42 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA04290; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:10:42 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Hiding From: address? References: <199704090159.SAA12844@johnny.cybersight.com> Date: 09 Apr 1997 12:10:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: Chris Hufnagel's message of Tue, 08 Apr 1997 18:59:15 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "CH" == Chris Hufnagel writes: CH> Hello, I've installed majordomo properly, everything works as advertised. CH> Now I'd like to be able to have the From: address place something like CH> list-owner@mycompany.com instead of the name of the actual sender since our CH> moderators don't need to be named on the message headers. One big problem with this is that it will cause mail loops due to messages bouncing to the list instead of where they should. It will also be impossible for list subcribers to reply directly to individual posters. Also, rewriting From is a violation of RFC822; on the originator (or originator's MTA) should rewrite From headers. From is supposed to contain the mailbox of the originator of the message. Bad Things(tm) happen when you start messing with that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0u/gJ6VRH7BJMxHAQEXqgP9GXpqkJEVvOtJebp5RAKn92rFfOwsuAG9 VavEmvQrA7cngllX9PTlqmavAxKTXGuuu2eTtQbplmwyz0/ANJnGZ7EydbBpRvht DrVoZdBdXu043nbEq5fxE6L1UzKNyusBL1ZsYcGZ4oZLZY+MWPmgkZZIvVLWZ6nv 0QxEZjFnBOI= =JLup -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 10:07:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA01903 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA01892 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA29019 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:20:01 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA04554; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:20:01 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line References: <199704091226.IAA07830@turbot.mitra.com> Date: 09 Apr 1997 12:20:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: Larry Williamson's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LW" == Larry Williamson writes: LW> Some of the lists that I am on put a nice little prefix on the LW> subject. This is a great aid when previewing 100 new messages in LW> one's inbox in the morning. These tags are the second most annoying 'feature' of Majordomo and mailing lists in general, after Reply-To headers pointing back at the mailing list. Most modern MUAs have means of sorting messages based on easilly configurable criteria. Every message that goes through a Majordomo mailing list has a Sender mailbox unique to that list. Sort all your list mail based on the contents of the Sender header and you will always get your list mail in the correct folder. Just FYI I average over 400 pieces of mail every day during the week (drops off to a bit over 250 on weekends :) and have no problems splitting my lists into the correct mailboxes. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0vBr56VRH7BJMxHAQE5xQP/eYEZbS9+M1zLOAPRa/xl8TdQIu9kj/uk 8yCfeEgMQVN1kSO4pwThnWsV6aX8JloGP+CrIcKHciQMz7wKOKjQ1JRyjzplb/19 c/tDvEuT2B8wfHut4YlDugRMxpFLBtuauVN0dODRiwsKxHCTpJKNw2dFGjYjlHJz KRmLjHawNFw= =Wp7x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 10:17:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA28223 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA28063 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id JAA15073 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA17978 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 9 Apr 97 09:00:05 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA16880 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 9 Apr 97 08:59:52 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA15667; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:59:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id KAA17362; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:59:50 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704091559.KAA17362@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Digest triggers early To: tenant@tenant.net (TenantNet) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:59:50 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19970409094649.5cb73e50@tenant.net> from "TenantNet" at Apr 9, 97 09:46:49 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ TenantNet writes: ] > > I'm perplexed. Our digest seems to be working, but rather than waiting > until it "fills up" it triggers and gets sent out when it's about 10K in > size. We're not using mkdigest at this time. In the digest config file, we > have the options set as: > > digest_maxdays = 1 > digest_maxlines = > maxlength = 40000 > > I know the maxdays would indicate it goes out once a day but that doesn't > seem to work either. We're not high volume yet and I had a few messages sit > there for several days, so the maxdays didn't send them out irrespective of > the size, but when I added a new message to the pile (so to speak) it > triggered it. The resulting digest was only 9,243 bytes. The 40,000 might > be high, but it should allow me to decide when to trigger a digest with > mkdigest, yes?. Or am I missing something. Since digest_maxdays can't be tested until digest runs, it only works at the minimum granularity of how often messages are received. Thus for the values you have set above, if the list went for several days without a posting, obviously the next posting would trigger a digest by virtue of the digest_maxdays value, irrespective of the other trigger values. I think the usual way of ensuring periodic digests is to run digest with the -p option from cron (plus appropriate -c/-C/-l options). Also note that "maxdays" is a bit of a misnomer. The actual check is "a message file exists more than (digest_maxdays * 24) hours old", so if a message comes in at 10:00 AM today and another at 9:00 AM tomorrow, no digest is generated because the oldest message is less than 24 hours old (assuming digest_maxdays=1). What do folks think, should digest coerce this test to midnight, so that it is more in line with "days" instead of "24-hour periods"? > If I undefined maxdays, would I then have complete control up to the > 40K? Looks like it to me. > Have I missed any parameters? Does the regular non-digest list (that > feeds the digest) config file have any bearing on this? Not if you specified the digest list to the -l option on the digest command line. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 10:22:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA09376 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA05916 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ds9.abac.com (ds9.abac.com [206.171.121.64]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id JAA15438 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6693 invoked by uid 501); 9 Apr 1997 16:29:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:29:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Newall Reply-To: Bryce Newall To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: shlock problem In-Reply-To: <199704071616.LAA17650@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Dave Wolfe wrote: > > ^^^ That worked... unfortunately, the patches didn't. I downloaded the following patches, after reading through the README and INDEX files: config_majordomo.1 List.config file locking patch config_parse.pl.1 Config corrected (tech note) digest.1 Add a backslash to value of $V{'TO'} (required for perl 5) digest.2 Supply default value for resend_host if it is unset digest.3 List.config file locking [requires config_majordomo.1] shlock.pl.1 Locking bug: Majordomo creates files but can't delete them shlock.pl.2 Cleans up the unnecessary whining about lock files When trying to apply the patch from digest.3, patch claimed that it was a previously-applied patch and wanted to know if I should assume reverse (-R), to which I answered No. Same thing happened with shlock.pl.1 (I applied shlock.pl.2 first, thinking it was all I'd need). This time, when I run the digest, the results are worse than before. I still get a number of those shlock errors, but then it ends with this (and I'm quoting one fo the shlock errors as well): mj_digest: WARNING shlock: link('shlock.6619', ''): No such file or directory mj_digest: ABORT shlock: too many warnings And I never even get the digest version of the list. Before, I was getting a ton of shlock errors, but at least I'd still get the digest. The only problem was that it was annoying to the owners of my lists. Now, they won't get their digests at all, unless I undo the patches (which I can do easily enough; I saved backup copies). Any other thoughts on what the problem is? ********************************************************************** * Bryce Newall * IRC: Data * Email: data@dal.net * * WWW: http://voyager.abac.com/data * IRC Admin, voyager.dal.net * * --== Try DALnet! Server irc.dal.net, port 7000 ==-- * * "Stop smirking, Number 1." -- J.L. Picard * * "I'm a doctor, not a doorstop!" -- EMH Program, ST:FC * ********************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 10:53:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA14157 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id KAA14104 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dromi.ifi.uio.no (1368@dromi.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.44]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:37:48 +0200 Received: (from thomasg@localhost) by dromi.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:37:47 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:37:45 +0200 From: Thomas Gramstad Reply-To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no To: Rich Pieri Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line In-Reply-To: Rich Pieri 's message of 09 Apr 1997 12:20:01 -0400 References: <199704091226.IAA07830@turbot.mitra.com> Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > LW> Some of the lists that I am on put a nice little prefix on the > LW> subject. This is a great aid when previewing 100 new messages in > LW> one's inbox in the morning. > > These tags are the second most annoying 'feature' of Majordomo and mailing > lists in general, after Reply-To headers pointing back at the mailing list. What is annoying about them? > Most modern MUAs have means of sorting messages based on easilly > configurable criteria. Every message that goes through a Majordomo mailing > list has a Sender mailbox unique to that list. Sort all your list mail > based on the contents of the Sender header and you will always get your > list mail in the correct folder. Sure, but I don't want too much "automatic folding"; I may forget about those folders I don't read to often, and besides I really like to see that long list of new messages and get an immediate impression of how many messages there are, and an immediate image of how many to me personally and how many to which lists. > Just FYI I average over 400 pieces of mail every day during the week (drops > off to a bit over 250 on weekends :) and have no problems splitting my > lists into the correct mailboxes. That's my size too; and I don't have any problems with the subject prefixes. Should I have? Thomas Gramstad thomasg@ifi.uio.no From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 11:00:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA13775 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id KAA11268 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from picard.insite.co.uk (picard.verity.com [192.168.70.35]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA14590 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:57:34 GMT Received: by picard.insite.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC4509.8DE4DE20@picard.insite.co.uk>; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:14:59 -0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:14:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Agreed, please don't do that. Peter >---------- >From: Rich Pieri[SMTP:rich.pieri@prescienttech.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 1997 4:20 PM >To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>>>> "LW" == Larry Williamson writes: > >LW> Some of the lists that I am on put a nice little prefix on the >LW> subject. This is a great aid when previewing 100 new messages in >LW> one's inbox in the morning. > >These tags are the second most annoying 'feature' of Majordomo and mailing >lists in general, after Reply-To headers pointing back at the mailing list. >Most modern MUAs have means of sorting messages based on easilly >configurable criteria. Every message that goes through a Majordomo mailing >list has a Sender mailbox unique to that list. Sort all your list mail >based on the contents of the Sender header and you will always get your >list mail in the correct folder. > >Just FYI I average over 400 pieces of mail every day during the week (drops >off to a bit over 250 on weekends :) and have no problems splitting my >lists into the correct mailboxes. > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 4.0 Business Edition >Charset: noconv > >iQCVAwUBM0vBr56VRH7BJMxHAQE5xQP/eYEZbS9+M1zLOAPRa/xl8TdQIu9kj/uk >8yCfeEgMQVN1kSO4pwThnWsV6aX8JloGP+CrIcKHciQMz7wKOKjQ1JRyjzplb/19 >c/tDvEuT2B8wfHut4YlDugRMxpFLBtuauVN0dODRiwsKxHCTpJKNw2dFGjYjlHJz >KRmLjHawNFw= >=Wp7x >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >-- >Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid >Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to >A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, >I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 12:48:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA26534 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA26503 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA01850 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 97 11:54:15 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA24017 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 9 Apr 97 11:54:12 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA05287; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:54:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id NAA19718; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:54:10 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704091854.NAA19718@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: shlock problem To: data@ds9.abac.com Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:54:10 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Bryce Newall" at Apr 9, 97 09:29:46 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Bryce Newall writes: ] > > I downloaded the following patches, after reading through the README > and INDEX files: > > config_majordomo.1 List.config file locking patch > config_parse.pl.1 Config corrected (tech note) > digest.1 Add a backslash to value of $V{'TO'} (required for perl 5) > digest.2 Supply default value for resend_host if it is unset > digest.3 List.config file locking [requires config_majordomo.1] > shlock.pl.1 Locking bug: Majordomo creates files but can't delete them > shlock.pl.2 Cleans up the unnecessary whining about lock files > > When trying to apply the patch from digest.3, patch claimed that it was a > previously-applied patch Hmmm... I only got that on digest.1, because it's unnecessary for 1.94.1. (Note to Joe: either label it in the INDEX as for 1.94 only or remove it, please.) > Same thing happened with shlock.pl.1 (I applied shlock.pl.2 first, > thinking it was all I'd need). Note the note in shlock.pl.2: Here's a replacement shlock.pl.1 that cleans up the unnecessary whining about inablility to open or unlink lock files that are there one moment and gone the next. Shlock.pl.1 really shouldn't be there. (Note to Joe: deep six it please.) > This time, when I run the digest, the results are worse than before. I > still get a number of those shlock errors, but then it ends with this > (and I'm quoting one fo the shlock errors as well): > > mj_digest: WARNING > shlock: link('shlock.6619', ''): No such file or directory > mj_digest: ABORT > shlock: too many warnings The abort is courtesy of shlock.pl.* to keep terminal errors from causing infinite loops and infinite warning messages. I'll have to look into the first message. Perhaps there's dependency on another patch. But it looks like something is pretty severely screwed up that no file name is getting passed to set_lock(). You might try starting with a "virgin" 1.94.1 digest file and apply only digest.2 and digest.3. Something else you can do is put this line at the front of your majordomo.cf (assuming you use -C on the digest command line): $shlock'shlock_debug = 1 if $main'program_name eq 'mj_digest'; Shlock will then dump trace messages onto stderr, which should be mailed back to you. Or you can put something like this in majordomo.cf to get them dumped into a file: if ($main'program_name eq 'mj_digest') { open(STDERR, ">>/usr/tmp/debug.digest") || die "Can't open /usr/tmp/debug.digest: $!"; } -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 13:11:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA01622 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA01559 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA00854 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:24:12 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA09379; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:24:12 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line References: <199704091226.IAA07830@turbot.mitra.com> Date: 09 Apr 1997 15:24:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: Thomas Gramstad's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:37:45 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "TG" == Thomas Gramstad writes: >> These tags are the second most annoying 'feature' of Majordomo and mailing >> lists in general, after Reply-To headers pointing back at the mailing list. TG> What is annoying about them? They break subject/thread sorting, which causes messages following a particular thread not to be "clumped" together, thus making it difficult to follow a conversation in a moderate to high volume list. In short, they have exactly the opposite effect of what they are intended to accomplish: they make messages more difficult to read instead of less. As for Reply-To headers pointing to a mailing list, they just cause mail loops and prevent subscribers from sending responses to a poster when they think the response -- a roasty-toasty flame, for instance -- should not go to the list. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0vs2p6VRH7BJMxHAQEDsAQAqvaWUaMpi6KsVwMQu8/JT9R7UhZ5ETeC MhuGJYOCj14r2x+qKtaa1clW8apl2Z5MP94JqONJve/a1nY599zHAZDCNXwcr4Xi fpsfqFsAuRQjxE6EsbAJN6QlImWOAnn9RqbTavRAFtcPwXDRSulzr7puGPgqfU5g diq1j4oRo/4= =Czl7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 13:56:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA12553 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.fni.com (ns1.fni.com [204.181.104.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA12457 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.fni.com (ns1.fni.com [204.181.104.1]) by ns1.fni.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17534; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:17:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:17:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Brennen To: Rich Pieri cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk To each his own. I for one prefer the subject tags, as I don't presort the mail into folders. I prefer it into one inbox, as the vast majority gets deleted; it is easier to sort out the chaff from one box than many. I take as much or more mail than you do. -- Michael On 9 Apr 1997, Rich Pieri wrote: > These tags are the second most annoying 'feature' of Majordomo and mailing > lists in general, after Reply-To headers pointing back at the mailing list. > Most modern MUAs have means of sorting messages based on easilly > configurable criteria. Every message that goes through a Majordomo mailing > list has a Sender mailbox unique to that list. Sort all your list mail > based on the contents of the Sender header and you will always get your > list mail in the correct folder. > > Just FYI I average over 400 pieces of mail every day during the week (drops > off to a bit over 250 on weekends :) and have no problems splitting my > lists into the correct mailboxes. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 14:07:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA00951 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca [205.206.207.101]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA00910 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from u01 (charlton.harte-lyne.ca [205.206.207.30]) by hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA23484; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704091834.OAA23484@hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James B. Byrne" Organization: Harte & Lyne Limited To: Larry Williamson , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:28:06 -5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line In-reply-to: <199704091226.IAA07830@turbot.mitra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 9 Apr 97 at 8:26, Larry Williamson wrote: > Some of the lists that I am on put a nice little prefix on the > subject. This is a great aid when previewing 100 new messages in > one's inbox in the morning. > > Any chance we might be able to institute a similiar feature for > this list? Not much. You are up against an ingrained prejudice regarding the the use of software vs. the human brain. The bulk of the members of this list are of the school; "never use your brain if you can get a machine to do it for you...." Seriously, all kidding aside, I recommend the use of subject list headers for my list users. Most of their subscribers are using some flavour of Netscape as a mailer and do not aspire to installing purpose built local mailer agents. Nor to mastering the concepts of Boolean logic as applied to mail filtering rules. On the other hand, some MUA's can really munge up a prefix so that in some cases you can get: subject: (MJ) Re: (MJ) List Prefixes Re: (MJ) List Prefixes ... This tends to be upsetting for some people and an annoyance for most others. So the utility of this sort of feature really depends upon the technical competence of the list membership. Here it would irritate more people than it would help. On other lists the reverse could easily be true. I use mail filtering in Pegasus 2.53 and truly, it is far superior to eyeballing a hundred or so e-mails by subject. What is addressed directly to me goes into one folder and everything else is sorted by origin or destination using the from and to/cc headers. Consequently, when I am pressed for time I just open the direct mail folder and reply to those things specifically addressed to me. When I have the time I quick scan each folder and read the items that interest me. Pegasus is FREEWARE and is available from a number of mirror sites world wide. It includes both UK and US spelling dictionaries and a wealth of handy little features like multipop calls for those of us with more than one e-mail account. Regards, Jim --- James B. Byrne Harte & Lyne Limited vox +1 905 561 1241 9 Brockley Drive fax +1 905 561 0757 Hamilton, Ontario ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 14:21:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA20597 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helix.mgh.harvard.edu (helix.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.108.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA20544 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by helix.mgh.harvard.edu (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/02Feb97-1116AM) id AA29701; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:58:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:58:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Gurgul To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Cc: Jon Martinson , Michael Nathan Subject: basic entry level questions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk 1. Some users here have requested I install majordomo on our unix system. They have offered to help with the administrative burden. Does someone acting as a list owner/administrator need root access, or can that work be done at the user level (once everything is installed)? 2. I subscribed to majordomo-users about a month ago and see about 30 or more messages per day. Many of the issues look like basic configuration problems. Let's say somebody administers a unix system with about 1,000 users, and they need just the basics of a mailing list service. How big of a task is the maintenance of this for someone with limited unix admin experience (couple years)? Will I have time for lunch? Thanks. Dennis J. Gurgul Helix System Management 617.724.3169 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 15:22:04 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA29768 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA29640 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dawn.cs.rice.edu (dawn.cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.127]) by cs.rice.edu (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA17180 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:57:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ratner@localhost) by dawn.cs.rice.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA11303; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:57:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:57:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704092157.QAA11303@dawn.cs.rice.edu> From: Logan Ratner To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Weird noadvertise problem with MjD 1.93 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk To begin with, I realize I should upgrade to 1.94.1, but until then. . . I'm having an odd problem. I have two lists that are configured essentially identically. Specifically, they both have the following set noadvertise << END /.*/ END I am currently a member of neither list. When I send the 'lists' command to majordomo, one of them shows up and not the other. I would really prefer to keep both of these lists non-advertised. Any ideas/suggestions/thoughts? -- Logan Ratner (ratner@rice.edu) * CRPC, Rice University, Houston http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ratner/ * http://softlib.rice.edu/CRPC/ Big Brother is clumsy and obvious, Its Little Cousins that worry me. I am not Ms. Ratner despite what the NSA may think. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 15:36:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA03412 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA03358 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA21903; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:20:45 -0500 (CDT) To: Dennis Gurgul Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, Jon Martinson , Michael Nathan Subject: Re: basic entry level questions References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 09 Apr 1997 17:20:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: Dennis Gurgul's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DG" == Dennis Gurgul writes: DG> Does someone acting as a list owner/administrator need root access, or DG> can that work be done at the user level (once everything is installed)? You need root to install Majordomo because it involves MTA (i.e. Sendmail) configuration, making a user, creating some directories and making one binary setuid. After installation, you may need root to create new lists because you must add mail aliases, but there are ways to get around that. In my installation, I never need root except to upgrade the software. List owners don't even need accounts on the system. DG> Let's say somebody administers a unix system with about 1,000 users, DG> and they need just the basics of a mailing list service. How big of a DG> task is the maintenance of this for someone with limited unix admin DG> experience (couple years)? Once things are set up, you need pretty close to zero admin experience. I run lists totaling ten thousand or so users and I spend 15 minutes a day or so taking care of bounces and answering the odd plea for help to the list owner. This is exclusive of actually _reading_ the lists, mind you. Of course, I have a good support system. Procmail filters all of my list-related mail into nice sorted folders and Gnus lets me read them like newsgroups (and handle approvals with a keypress). I can also ignore all of the bounces until the evening, then take care of them at once. If you have lesser mailers or no filtering, expect things to take longer. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 15:42:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA00601 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA00559 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA04703 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:02:31 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA13700; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:02:31 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line References: <199704091834.OAA23484@hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca> Date: 09 Apr 1997 18:02:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: "James B. Byrne"'s message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:28:06 -5 Message-ID: Lines: 56 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "JBB" == James B Byrne writes: JBB> Not much. You are up against an ingrained prejudice regarding the JBB> the use of software vs. the human brain. The bulk of the members JBB> of this list are of the school; "never use your brain if you can JBB> get a machine to do it for you...." Cute. Actually, it is more like, "use your brain and learn how to make the machine do it for you." Computers can make your life, job, whatever easier. But they are a tool and like any tool you cannot use them to anything resembling maximal effect if you do not learn to use them properly. Of course, if you insist on pounding nails with a screwdriver I cannot help you and nothing I will say will change your mind. JBB> Seriously, all kidding aside, I recommend the use of subject list JBB> headers for my list users. Most of their subscribers are using JBB> some flavour of Netscape as a mailer and do not aspire to JBB> installing purpose built local mailer agents. Nor to mastering the JBB> concepts of Boolean logic as applied to mail filtering rules. Yeah, well, biases aside, Netscape's mail reader is one of the worst ever made. Not the worst... I leave that to some early versions of VAX/VMS 'MAIL'. :) JBB> On the other hand, some MUA's can really munge up a prefix so that JBB> in some cases you can get: JBB> subject: (MJ) Re: (MJ) List Prefixes Re: (MJ) List Prefixes ... This is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about. Having written a major chunk of the code in Gnus that tries to deal with such things I can honestly say that it was a bitch and a half and it still does not work for anything remotely resembling all cases. The regular expressions constantly need to be modified to deal with the latest 'special case'. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0wR9Z6VRH7BJMxHAQHXjwP/QPwHa8N7+G4Fx5PA9AthP954aeCCIz+o psA64p+vB/gEKedsxdbPMknZ2fZcox8efjhwOQ5SB9iomagSlsCwZ6bNFW9Qw5uY 7ReDxXo1wSXmMleNAN58QT8Z08b29EjfEIkKDkVD2sy6SikW+OiQGl7/8c4Ai+vk cT3FF2VagP8= =T/2T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Prescient Technologies, Inc. | A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 15:51:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA03413 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.hypersurf.com (mercury.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA03376 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aerosmith.newvision.com (port2.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.98]) by mercury.hypersurf.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA17644; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aerosmith.newvision.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0540; Wed, 09 Apr 97 15:20:48 -0600 To: Dennis Gurgul Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, Jon Martinson , Michael Nathan Subject: Re: basic entry level questions References: From: "Dewey M. Sasser" Date: 09 Apr 1997 15:20:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: Dennis Gurgul's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Lines: 58 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.33 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Gurgul writes: Dennis> 1. Some users here have requested I install majordomo on Dennis> our unix system. They have offered to help with the Dennis> administrative burden. Does someone acting as a list Dennis> owner/administrator need root access, or can that work be Dennis> done at the user level (once everything is installed)? List owners do not need root access. All list owner operations are performed via mail, so they do not even need to be users on your system. Dennis> 2. I subscribed to majordomo-users about a month ago and Dennis> see about 30 or more messages per day. Many of the issues Dennis> look like basic configuration problems. Let's say Dennis> somebody administers a unix system with about 1,000 users, Dennis> and they need just the basics of a mailing list service. Dennis> How big of a task is the maintenance of this for someone Dennis> with limited unix admin experience (couple years)? Will I Dennis> have time for lunch? Thanks. Once MJ is set up, there is very little for the MJ-owner to do. Most of the burden is (as it should be) on the list administrators. Occasionally, you might have to get involved to fix a mail loop. Also, any bad mail to majordomo@yourdomain will go your way (such as a user sending a "help" command from an invalid address, or whatever. If the majordomo mail bounces, it will bounce to majordomo-owner. You can pick a victim (uh, I mean volunteer) to assist you with handling this type of thing (which I haven't seen on my lists since the last time I screwed up setting up a list). My company has on the order of 70 mailing lists (few of them public), and the only serious time commitment is on the one list where the owner has to track down all bad/changed addresses. Again, this burden is on the list owner, not the majordomo owner. The majordomo owner (or at least someone who can su root) will be necessary to add/change list topology such as adding a digest version of the list or adding archiving. Again, this is a setup cost. List options such as visibility, subscription, moderation, headers, footers, digests going out (except by cron) are all handled by the list owners. In summary, not too long ago my company made the rule that "all aliases with more than one person on it should be a majordomo mailing list", because, once majordomo is setup, there is less increment cost in maintaining another list than there is in maintaining the sendmail aliases. -- Dewey M. Sasser voice: (617) 494-6000 dewey@newvision.com PGP Key from public servers PGP mail preferred. --- "Deliver yesterday, code today, think tomorrow." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 16:29:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA11616 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [15.253.72.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA11550 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpautorf.aus.hp.com (hpautorf.aus.hp.com [15.19.208.107]) by palrel1.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25300; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hpautorf.aus.hp.com (1.40.112.4/16.2+CNS 4.0 ) id AA018387185; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:06:25 +1000 From: Peter Westley Message-Id: <199704092306.AA018387185@hpautorf.aus.hp.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:06:24 +1000 (EST) To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re[2]: how to stop auto-reply loop? In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3-960829-hp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 09 Apr 1997 12:12:37 -0400 Rich Pieri wrote: : : PW> Is there a built in way that Mj can detect and stop a potential : PW> auto-reply loop? : : No. Such loops are impossible to detect before they happen. All you can : do is fix the damage once they occour by: : : * Set up a taboo_header or taboo_body that filters on something unique that : occours in the looping message. This will prevent loops originating at a : particular site from continuing. OK thanks I'll try that. : : * Remove any and all reply_to mailboxes. This will prevent 99% of all mail : loops before they start. Would you mind explaining this one more fully? -- Peter Westley From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 16:38:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA11677 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [15.253.72.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA11572 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpautorf.aus.hp.com (hpautorf.aus.hp.com [15.19.208.107]) by palrel1.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25325; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hpautorf.aus.hp.com (1.40.112.4/16.2+CNS 4.0 ) id AA018447207; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:06:47 +1000 From: Peter Westley Message-Id: <199704092306.AA018447207@hpautorf.aus.hp.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:06:47 +1000 (EST) To: david_wolfe@risc.sps.mot.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re[2]: how to stop auto-reply loop? In-Reply-To: <199704091429.JAA17198@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3-960829-hp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:29:36 -0500 (CDT) Dave Wolfe wrote: : [ Peter Westley writes: ] : > : > Is there a built in way that Mj can detect and stop a potential : > auto-reply loop? : 1.94.1 has a $majordomo_dont_reply variable in the majordomo.cf file : which is a regex listing the addresses (not domains) that majordomo : should not reply to. Does the auto-reply come from the user or some : automaton user? The reply is from the user himself, not any particular address. The key would be in the subject line rather than anywhere else. So if there was a similar variable which contained a regex for looking at the subject line, that would be fine. -- Peter Westley From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 17:51:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA28175 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mitra.com (shark.mitra.com [192.190.75.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id RAA28126 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tarpon.mitra.com by mitra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA04347; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:46:37 -0400 Organization: Mitra Imaging Inc. Waterloo, Ontario. +1.519.746.2900 Received: by tarpon.mitra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA24317; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:46:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:46:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199704100046.UAA24317@tarpon.mitra.com> From: Larry Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line In-Reply-To: Rich Pieri's message of 9 April 1997 15:24:12 -0400 References: <199704091226.IAA07830@turbot.mitra.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.20/Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Rich Pieri writes: > TG> What is annoying about them? > > They break subject/thread sorting, which causes messages following a > particular thread not to be "clumped" together, thus making it difficult to > follow a conversation in a moderate to high volume list. In short, they > have exactly the opposite effect of what they are intended to accomplish: > they make messages more difficult to read instead of less. Ach, is that all.... 35 Chuck Davisson Feb 11 23/687 "(ASCEND) Faxing and Maxdial" 36 Justus MOMANYI Feb 19 46/1608 "Re: (ASCEND) Faxing and Maxdial" 37 Matt Holdrege Feb 19 20/960 "Re: (ASCEND) Faxing and Maxdial" 38 To: larry Feb 18 52/1994 "(ASCEND) MAXDial and 1800's ??" 39 R Daniel Strawson Feb 19 84/3219 "Re: (ASCEND) MAXDial and 1800's ??" 40 To: daniel@elmail Feb 19 104/4024 "Re: (ASCEND) MAXDial and 1800's ??" 41 R Daniel Strawson Feb 19 124/4713 "Re: (ASCEND) MAXDial and 1800's ??" 42 To: daniel@elmail Feb 19 129/5233 "Re: (ASCEND) MAXDial and 1800's ??" 43 R Daniel Strawson Feb 19 145/5809 "Re: (ASCEND) MAXDial and 1800's ??" 44 To: daniel@elmail Feb 19 13/333 "Re: (ASCEND) MAXDial and 1800's ??" 45 Daniel Strawson Feb 19 26/635 "Re: (ASCEND) MAXDial and 1800's ??" You mean I cannot get the list as shown? This is what I see with my email reader in thread mode. Seems to work okay. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 18:22:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA02935 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id SAA02917 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA14559; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:04:14 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199704100104.SAA14559@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line To: larry@mitra.com (Larry Williamson) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199704100046.UAA24317@tarpon.mitra.com> from "Larry Williamson" at Apr 9, 97 08:46:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > They break subject/thread sorting, which causes messages following a > > particular thread not to be "clumped" together, thus making it difficult to > > follow a conversation in a moderate to high volume list. In short, they > > have exactly the opposite effect of what they are intended to accomplish: > > they make messages more difficult to read instead of less. > Ach, is that all.... > > 38 To: larry Feb 18 52/1994 "(ASCEND) MAXDial and 1800's ??" > [...] > You mean I cannot get the list as shown? This is what I see with my > email reader in thread mode. Seems to work okay. So if your email reader is in "thread mode", why do you need the (ASCEND) part at all? :) --Kynn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 18:36:51 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA05333 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mitra.com (shark.mitra.com [192.190.75.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id SAA05268 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tarpon.mitra.com by mitra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA05307; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:22:43 -0400 Organization: Mitra Imaging Inc. Waterloo, Ontario. +1.519.746.2900 Received: by tarpon.mitra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA24423; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:22:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:22:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199704100122.VAA24423@tarpon.mitra.com> From: Larry Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: kynn@idyllmtn.com Cc: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: (MJ) Re: (MJ) Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line :-))) In-Reply-To: Kynn Bartlett's message of 9 April 1997 18:04:13 -0700 References: <199704100046.UAA24317@tarpon.mitra.com> <199704100104.SAA14559@ayla.idyllmtn.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.20/Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > So if your email reader is in "thread mode", why do you need the > (ASCEND) part at all? :) The Ascend list is one that has little need for the prefix. I received it batched. I've asked why the prefix is there for when batching is used. It is, as you say, really not necessary. For unbatched lists, like this one, the prefix allows me to preview the list more quickly. I don't normally use threading, but stick with strict cronological order (normally!). In this scenario, I would find the prefix helpful. I see this is a contentious (almost religious) issue. I really don't care a lot what happens. If people don't want it, fine. If there was a lot of support for the idea, then it might make sense. I have seen negative comments from a few people (less than a dozen?). Are the silent majority for or against the idea? (Rhetorical question!! As I said, it really does not matter that much to me). From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 18:51:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA08924 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from name-ext.deetya.gov.au (name-ext.deetya.gov.au [192.207.248.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA08907 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: marnie.mathouchanh@ogit.gov.au Received: (from smap@localhost) by name-ext.deetya.gov.au (DEET sendmail/8.7.3) id LAA25496 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:46:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail-int.deetya.gov.au(10.16.1.102) by name-ext via smap (V1.3) id sma025486; Thu Apr 10 11:46:12 1997 Received: by mail-int.deetya.gov.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA05084 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:46:09 +1000 Received: by fogit001.ogit.gov.au with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BC45A4.BDDEA750@fogit001.ogit.gov.au>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:45:52 +1000 Message-ID: To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Please help ! Can not locate member in the WHO command Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:45:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi ! I approved someone to the list and I got a message said that they already exist. When I checked in the WHO command I couldn't find them. What's going on? Please help! Many thanks .. Marnie From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 19:07:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA11151 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itw.com (rsk.itw.com [206.138.122.70]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id TAA11104 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rsk@localhost) by itw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05600; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Kulawiec Message-Id: <199704100204.WAA05600@itw.com> Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line To: larry@mitra.com (Larry Williamson) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199704091226.IAA07830@turbot.mitra.com> from "Larry Williamson" at Apr 09, 1997 08:26:01 AM Reply-To: rsk@itw.com Organization: Fire on the Mountain X-Last-River: Farmington, CT X-Home_Page: http://www.itw.com/~rsk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >Some of the lists that I am on put a nice little prefix on the >subject. This is a great aid when previewing 100 new messages in >one's inbox in the morning. > >Any chance we might be able to institute a similiar feature for this >list? > >Something like what I have put on this subject line? I certainly hope not. It leads to hideously ugly subject lines which only get longer and longer as the prefix (and various forms of "re:", "RE:" and "Re:") are prepended to each other. If you cannot handle the flow of mail that you now receive, I recommend using one of the excellent mail filtering programs -- such as elm's "filter", "procmail", or "zfilter". Any or all of these make it possible for you to handle large quantities of mail, and will alleviate the need to inflict what is, IMHO, a silly convention, on the rest of us. ----Rsk From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 19:36:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA12416 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini.uninet.net.id (gemini.uninet.net.id [202.145.0.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id TAA12407 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (muljawan@localhost) by gemini.uninet.net.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20582; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:22:46 +0700 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:22:46 +0700 (GMT) From: muljawan hendrianto X-Sender: muljawan@gemini To: Dave Wolfe cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: majordomo aliases not working In-Reply-To: <199704081344.IAA10650@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Dave Wolfe wrote: > [ muljawan hendrianto writes: ] > > > > I got this attached error messages when I send to a mailing list called > > "test". > [...] > > test: "|/usr/local/src/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test > > test-list" > > test-list: include:/usr/local/src/majordomo/lists/test > > This should be: > > test-list: :include:/usr/local/src/majordomo/lists/test > ^ > + Note the ':' > > -- > Dave Wolfe > Hi Dave, you are right ! My mailing list is working now. Thanks a lot, muljawan <---------------------------------------------------------------> Muljawan Hendrianto NOC, PT. UniNET Media Sakti, +62 21 5702074, +62 21 5704021(FAX) muljawan@uninet.net.id <---------------------------------------------------------------> From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 20:21:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA17689 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boss1.bossnt.com (boss1.bossnt.com [198.150.37.6]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id UAA17681 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (slip129-37-200-122.wi.us.ibm.net [129.37.200.122]) by boss1.bossnt.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06224 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:34:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199704100234.VAA06224@boss1.bossnt.com> From: "Gary McClellan" To: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Date: Wed, 09 Apr 97 22:17:03 -0600 Reply-To: "Gary McClellan" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Bounce/non-delivery policies Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all. Just wanted to check to see if y'all have any policies on when to/if you remove users due to bounces with full mailboxes, config problems etc. Persoanlly, I've been using the rule of thumb that when I get tired of seeing the bounce (usually about a week), I remove the user from the list. Is there a general concensus on how to handle that? --- Gary McClellan Gary D. McClellan and Associates Ltd. The Business Basic Specialists http://www.gdma.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 20:37:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA18741 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id UAA18708 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA11014 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:25:36 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA16265; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:25:36 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: (MJ) Re: (MJ) Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line :-))) References: <199704100046.UAA24317@tarpon.mitra.com> <199704100104.SAA14559@ayla.idyllmtn.com> <199704100122.VAA24423@tarpon.mitra.com> Date: 09 Apr 1997 23:25:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: Larry Williamson's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:22:42 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I would just like to point out the raw evilness of the Subject header, is all: Subject: Re: (MJ) Re: (MJ) Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line :-))) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0xdrp6VRH7BJMxHAQE7CAP/TAlBzkvyLCp5JO1KXmuuIaPIJSbfUyCh m5nQcJs3jTS9QVi7H1H4VEdN70LzhVD5wYho1hmOKAFkPVtXZNusgWizTNM8cmUg rHgoWEX6Z9PZ68ZxXYvNAytdj8pS/pJ4P4avFVZNHA6m/Yb22n+hC6fvYDDmlLM3 loFJ9m3Phfs= =kV9m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 20:51:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA21256 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id UAA21241 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA18715; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA23984; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:44:09 -0400 Message-ID: <19970409234408.QG13446@smoe.org> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:44:08 -0400 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: gary@gdma.com (Gary McClellan) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (majordomo-users@greatcircle.com) Subject: Re: Bounce/non-delivery policies References: <199704100234.VAA06224@boss1.bossnt.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199704100234.VAA06224@boss1.bossnt.com>; from "Gary McClellan" on Apr 9, 1997 22:17:03 -0600 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Gary McClellan writes: > Hi all. > > Just wanted to check to see if y'all have any policies on when to/if you > remove users due to bounces with full mailboxes, config problems etc. > Persoanlly, I've been using the rule of thumb that when I get tired of seeing > the bounce (usually about a week), I remove the user from the list. I have some very busy lists, so I take a zero-tolerance approach. At the first bounce, I move them to the bounces list (using the bounce script that comes with majordomo) and they stay on bounces for 21 days (getting daily reminders of their status). It's taken me from having 400-500 messages in my admin mailbox to just a few. Jeff From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 20:57:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA21403 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id UAA21389 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA11365 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:44:43 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA16847; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:44:43 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Bounce/non-delivery policies References: <199704100234.VAA06224@boss1.bossnt.com> Date: 09 Apr 1997 23:44:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Gary McClellan"'s message of Wed, 09 Apr 97 22:17:03 -0600 Message-ID: Lines: 37 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "GM" == Gary McClellan writes: GM> Just wanted to check to see if y'all have any policies on when to/if you GM> remove users due to bounces with full mailboxes, config problems etc. I usually go about 24 hours before I start watching specific subscribers closely. Overfull mailboxes (quota limits hit) get 24 hours. Someone that gets enough mail to fill up her mailbox knows enough to check it regularly or unsubscribe if they are going to be away for a significant duration. I tend to be a little leinient for "first time offenders", much stricter for those that regularly let their mailboxes overflow. Network or system configuration problems that prevent delivery may go upwards of 48+ hours, especially if the bounces start on a Friday evening. When an account appears to have been terminated I give it 24 hours to come back, then away it goes. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0xiKJ6VRH7BJMxHAQGiLwQAlw6JZMQ6oOiguQ3nrzaAByZmsng3ca9v iNIHs96rn8gWQ4+10T9Pd+aIYmn7YNY4JhrFOKFUW0cjDIPBpRJcphctkEzRBouL ybUjbpBCgy0WWdqC6bjBp1SDOe55OOsEWD6OYBmjcTv+NPVwcQSiI2JcpAiW4zfj zIe62i9CpjM= =ryIW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | include an unknown glowing A Stone & Webster Company | substance which fell to Earth, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | presumably from outer space. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 21:02:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA20144 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id UAA20120 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA11191 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:35:49 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA16543; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:35:49 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: how to stop auto-reply loop? References: <199704092306.AA018387185@hpautorf.aus.hp.com> Date: 09 Apr 1997 23:35:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: Peter Westley's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:06:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: Lines: 52 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "PW" == Peter Westley writes: >>> * Remove any and all reply_to mailboxes. This will prevent 99% of all mail >>> loops before they start. PW> Would you mind explaining this one more fully? When a message has a Reply-To header, replies to that message are sent to the mailbox specified. Autoresponders automatially generate replies to messages. Therefore they are correct in honoring the Reply-To header. When a person on a mailing list sets up an autoresponder (commonly the vacation program), every message sent to the list (thus the subscriber) automatically generates a reply. When there is no Reply-To header the reply is sent to the originator of the message. When there is a Reply-To header the reply is sent to that mailbox instead. When there is a Reply-To header that points at your mailing list, each reply is sent to the list (since you obviously want all replies to be sent there -- the rationale of list-bound Reply-To headers). This reply is sent out to everyone, including the vacationing subscriber, automatially generating another reply. This reply is sent out to everyone, including the vacationing subscriber, automatially generating another reply. This reply is sent out to everyone, including the vacationing subscriber, automatially generating another reply. This reply is sent out to everyone, including the vacationing subscriber, automatially generating another reply..... This form of mail loop is the most common form you will find. It can be avoided entirely by not setting a list-bound Reply-To header. A list that does not have a list-bound Reply-To header will never be caught in a mail loop caused by someone's vacation program. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0xgD56VRH7BJMxHAQGmwQP+LcSrADBpTBu3mJTvfhyN+R6Dqf2ssmx8 hjksd3M2D4yQcqTkcM/rIPBkxWMyMQn9cKxDZfhR929fFdHXHxKuJjucCopppVxi W9ceICRQOzK5iY8l9VHdvyTxAhQf5vf9zF9zuNDBFEXB4SXjmJLjMZKeIHlXEUpF 4ohnvTKb1yA= =3XlR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Warning: pregnant women, the Prescient Technologies, Inc. | elderly, and children under 10 A Stone & Webster Company | should avoid prolonged exposure to I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | Happy Fun Ball. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 21:37:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA26297 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id VAA26267 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA23865 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA24305; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: <19970410001502.BW10553@smoe.org> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:15:02 -0400 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: very strange mail loop found/majordomo ease of use X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 People on of my mailing lists were complaining that they were getting a 'majordomo error message' each time they posted. I just spent the last 2 hours looking for some problem with my /etc/aliases file, since I had been working on it last night around the time the problem started. However, the problem was caused by a user who managed to subscribe to the list 'jewel' as: [] [] As you can see, it had the effect of adding the -request address to the list. It's pretty obvious this person had a very diffcult time with the metacharacters in the majordomo help file (as many people seem to). Perhaps majordomo can check for this kind of subscription attempt in the future? For your edification, here's a transcript of his requests: * To: jewel-request@smoe.org * From: sam j puccini * Subject: "subscribe" * Cc: jewel-request@smoe.org * * "subscribe" * sam j. puccini * * * To: jewel-request@smoe.org * From: sam j puccini * Subject: subscribe * Cc: jewel-request@smoe.org * * sam j. puccini * * * To: jewel-request@smoe.org * From: sam j puccini * Subject: subscribe [] [] * Cc: jewel-request@smoe.org * * subscribe [] [] * sam j. puccini -----End of forwarded message----- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 22:22:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA06005 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dnacom.com (dnacom.com [205.147.66.209]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id WAA05995 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jdawson@localhost) by dnacom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA14791 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:12:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: dnacom.com: jdawson owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:12:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Dawson X-Sender: jdawson@dnacom.com To: Majordomo Users List Subject: Re: Re[2]: how to stop auto-reply loop? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 9 Apr 1997, Rich Pieri wrote: > When a person on a mailing list sets up an autoresponder (commonly the > vacation program), every message sent to the list (thus the subscriber) > automatically generates a reply. When there is no Reply-To header the > reply is sent to the originator of the message. When there is a Reply-To > header the reply is sent to that mailbox instead. The vacation program does not function as you describe. From the man page: VACATION(1) BSD Reference Manual VACATION(1) [snip] No message will be sent unless login (or an alias supplied using the -a option) is part of either the ``To:'' or ``Cc:'' headers of the mail. No messages from ``???-REQUEST'', ``Postmaster'', ``UUCP'', ``MAILER'', or ``MAILER-DAEMON'' will be replied to (where these strings are case insen- sitive) nor is a notification sent if a ``Precedence: bulk'' or ``Precedence: junk'' line is included in the mail headers. [snip] 4.3 Berkeley Distribution June 16, 1993 2 As you can see, this is not new. Majordomo adds a ``Precedence: bulk'' header and the ``To:'' is the name of the list; vacation does not respond. We run several mailing lists here and we tested all sorts of vacation message variables; vacation never once sent a reply to a list. I use it as a matter of course, as I get 200 to 300 pieces of email a day. If you have problems with mail loops due to a broken auto-responder, it behooves you to find out from the user what it is, and pass along a friendly (or perhaps not-so-friendly) word to the author. The answer is *NOT* to let broken software continue to exist by whining about it and chastising people who find using ``Reply-to:'' convenient for their needs. Your other argument about not being able to reply to the author if you want to is specious, as the ``From:'' header shows clearly who sent the message, and if you really want to send a response to that person, then, you're perfectly able to. If your MUA is unable to perform that simple task, then you should change. Try Pine -- it works fine. Jim __________________________________________________________________ Jim Dawson jdawson@navi.net GCN Communications, Inc. http://www.navi.net 2305 NW Kearney St. Ste. 239 voice: +1.503.531.1978 Portland, Or 97210 USA fax: +1.503.531.1979 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 23:06:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA12090 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id WAA12074 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA02181; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:57:19 -0500 (CDT) To: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: very strange mail loop found/majordomo ease of use References: <19970410001502.BW10553@smoe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Apr 1997 00:57:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: jeffw@smoe.org's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "JW" == Jeff Wasilko writes: JW> [] [] I think that 1.94.1 would have complained about the space there, but I could be wrong. Sendmail seems to accept an entire address as a domain-literal (i.e. enclosed in square brackets). It shouldn't; RFC822 says it's illegal. JW> Perhaps majordomo can check for this kind of subscription attempt in JW> the future? Well, you can run validate addresses (from ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/majordomo) periodically to check your lists for bad things. You might also try hacking the code directly into Majordomo. Here's what proto-2.0 has to say about it: XYX:sina:mj/2.0/bin> ./mj_shell subscribe test-list '[] []' **** The following was not successfully added to test-list: [] [] Invalid address: Domain literals (words in square brackets) are only permitted on the right hand side of an address: [] [] Did you mistakenly enclose the entire address in square brackets? I suppose a completely enlightening message would be pretty difficult to cook up for an address this broken, but at least they get a hint of the problem and the address stays off of the list. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 9 23:21:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA12898 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id XAA12891 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA02326; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:07:27 -0500 (CDT) To: Jim Dawson Cc: Majordomo Users List Subject: Re: Re[2]: how to stop auto-reply loop? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Apr 1997 01:07:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jim Dawson's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "JD" == Jim Dawson writes: JD> The vacation program [...] There really isn't such a thing as _the_ vacation program. There are lots of them, each performing the same kind of task in slightly different ways. Just quoting the manpage for the one you happen to have installed on your system isn't conclusive for anything other than your system. JD> The answer is *NOT* to let broken software continue to exist by whining JD> about it and chastising people who find using ``Reply-to:'' convenient JD> for their needs. Broken software will continue to exist. At the very least one needs to learn to live with it. This includes not setting Reply-To: if a list owner (especially a novice list owner who does not understand the issues) doesn't want trouble. I won't chastise for using it but I would definitely shy people away from it. (I have it set on one of my lists, but I know the issues and can deal with them.) JD> [...] If your MUA is unable to perform that simple task, then you JD> should change. Try Pine -- it works fine. The sad point is there there are plenty of people who don't get the choice, and plenty on platforms where the few major choices are converging towards settings which don't get along with the way we might like things to be. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 05:52:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA07098 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webster.m-w.com ([206.98.43.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id FAA07081 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by m-w.com (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA26978; Thu, 10 Apr 97 08:30:52 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 08:30:52 EDT From: awest@webster.m-w.com (Amy West) Message-Id: <9704101230.AA26978@m-w.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: HD space requirements Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm hoping to install majordomo on our NeXT in order to run an announcement-type list that some higher-ups expect could get quite huge (multiple thousands). The problem that I forsee is that we only have about 60 M free on the machine at a time. Could/will that be a problem? ---Amy West awest@m-w.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 05:56:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA07559 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id FAA07530 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by lists.tax.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA15370 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:43:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line In-Reply-To: <199704100204.WAA05600@itw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > I certainly hope not. It leads to hideously ugly subject lines which > only get longer and longer as the prefix (and various forms of "re:", > "RE:" and "Re:") are prepended to each other. Sounds like it should be 'fixed' to move the prefix to the start of the line. (Hey, as long as it's rewriting the subject line, why not fix things like that? ;) Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 06:03:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA08229 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id FAA08185 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gt0242b@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA06224; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Hedlund To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: Dennis Gurgul , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, Jon Martinson , Michael Nathan Subject: Re: basic entry level questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 9 Apr 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > DG> Does someone acting as a list owner/administrator need root access, or > DG> can that work be done at the user level (once everything is installed)? > > After installation, you may need root to create new lists because you must > add mail aliases, but there are ways to get around that. In my > installation, I never need root except to upgrade the software. Out of curiosity, what are the ways of getting around using root to add new lists? Or is this documented somewhere? I couldn't find it... Thanks ! '\ __ / /_/ "Hedlund" |_/ ` \_/eff / /edlund gt0242b@prism.gatech.edu (_ / | "I'm the King of the Castle, You're the Dirty Rascal!" \ | - Dave Matthews, "Crash" `| From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 06:07:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA10195 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA10152 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA29951 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 05:59:42 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA16581 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 05:59:39 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA20090; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:59:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id HAA19638; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:59:37 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704101259.HAA19638@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line To: larry@mitra.com (Larry Williamson) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:59:37 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (Majordomo user's mailing list) In-Reply-To: <199704100046.UAA24317@tarpon.mitra.com> from "Larry Williamson" at Apr 9, 97 08:46:36 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Larry Williamson writes: ] > > Rich Pieri writes: > > TG> What is annoying about them? > > > > They break subject/thread sorting > > You mean I cannot get the list as shown? This is what I see with my > email reader in thread mode. Seems to work okay. But "thread mode" for your mail reader is obviously *not* subject/thread sorting. The two depend on entirely different headers and may or may not coexist in a given mail reader. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 06:22:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA12453 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA12435 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA01025 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:15:23 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA16950 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:15:19 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA15615; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:15:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA13662; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:15:18 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704101315.IAA13662@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Please help ! Can not locate member in the WHO command To: marnie.mathouchanh@ogit.gov.au Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:15:18 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "ogit.gov.au!marnie.mathouchanh" at Apr 10, 97 11:45:50 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ uunet!ogit.gov.au!marnie.mathouchanh writes: ] > > I approved someone to the list and I got a message said that they > already exist. When I checked in the WHO command I couldn't find them. > What's going on? Please help! Did you try doing a case-insensitive search on just the user name part of the address? Domain munging can equivalence "different" addresses, e.g.: marnie.mathouchanh@ogit.gov.au marnie.mathouchanh@fogit001.ogit.gov.au -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 06:36:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA11323 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA11276 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA00526 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:07:56 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA16746 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:07:54 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA15538; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:07:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA13600; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:07:54 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704101307.IAA13600@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Weird noadvertise problem with MjD 1.93 To: ratner@cs.rice.edu (Logan Ratner) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:07:53 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199704092157.QAA11303@dawn.cs.rice.edu> from "Logan Ratner" at Apr 9, 97 04:57:58 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Logan Ratner writes: ] > > To begin with, I realize I should upgrade to 1.94.1, but until then. . . > > I'm having an odd problem. I have two lists that are configured > essentially identically. > > Specifically, they both have the following set > > noadvertise << END > /.*/ > END > > I am currently a member of neither list. When I send the 'lists' > command to majordomo, one of them shows up and not the other. > > I would really prefer to keep both of these lists non-advertised. > Any ideas/suggestions/thoughts? This is a known problem in 1.93. I published a patch for it many moons ago, probably on this list (or Mj-workers). Try the searchable archives at: http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-workers -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 06:42:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA13850 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA13829 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA02030 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:28:36 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA17217 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:27:48 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA20263; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:27:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA13780; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:27:47 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704101327.IAA13780@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: HD space requirements To: awest@webster.m-w.com (Amy West) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:27:46 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <9704101230.AA26978@m-w.com> from "Amy West" at Apr 10, 97 08:30:52 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Amy West writes: ] > > I'm hoping to install majordomo on our NeXT in order to run > an announcement-type list that some higher-ups expect could > get quite huge (multiple thousands). The problem that I forsee > is that we only have about 60 M free on the machine at a time. > Could/will that be a problem? Perhaps. Worst case for 1.xx is each list performing an 'uns*bscribe' simultaneously because each list file is duplicated for a brief period (list c*nfig, inf*, etc. file updates also duplicate the respective file but are relatively small), so, for example, a 10Mb list would require 10Mb of free space to perform an 'uns*bscribe'. Then there's the issue of archives and logs which grow over time and require periodic maintenance and/or continuously expanding disk space. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 06:52:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA16615 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unilmta3.unil.ch (cisun29.unil.ch [130.223.27.29]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA16597 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisun26.unil.ch by unilmta3.unil.ch with SMTP inbound; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:46:07 +0200 Received: from cisun26 by cisun26.unil.ch (SMI-8.6/Unil-Sol2-1.0) id PAA14789; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:46:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199704101346.PAA14789@cisun26.unil.ch> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Advertise and regexps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:46:06 +0200 From: Dominique FRISE Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, We are using Majordomo 1.93 with perl 5.003 on an UltraSparc 1 running Solaris 2.5.1. The regular expressions for "advertise" in the *.config files are not working properly. Example: -------- advertise << END /.*\..*ci\.unil\.ch$/ END should match an address like "Dominique.Frise@ci.unil.ch" but it does NOT!. I looked at the FAQs and majordomo-users archives without success. Any advice much appreciated, --Dominique -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Frise University of Lausanne E-mail: Dominique.Frise@ci.unil.ch Rte de Chavannes 33 Phone: +41 21 692 22 21 CH-1007 Lausanne, Switzerland Fax: +41 21 692 22 05 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 07:07:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA18276 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ds9.abac.com (ds9.abac.com [206.171.121.64]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA18247 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14812 invoked by uid 501); 10 Apr 1997 14:03:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Newall To: Majordomo Mailing List Subject: Re: shlock problem In-Reply-To: <199704091854.NAA19718@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Dave Wolfe wrote: > is getting passed to set_lock(). You might try starting with a "virgin" > 1.94.1 digest file and apply only digest.2 and digest.3. Something else Woo woo! >>>> mkdigest test-digest *censored* producing test-digest V1 #19 processing /home/majordom/digests/test-digest/001 You da man, Dave! :) I'm not entirely sure, but it appears that I *might* have been trying to use 1.94's digest instead of 1.94.1's (though I'm pretty sure I copied 1.94.1's over when I installed). But maybe it was also just a problem with the patches I tried to apply, and starting over did the trick. I think we're OK now! Thanks once again. :) ********************************************************************** * Bryce Newall * IRC: Data * Email: data@dal.net * * WWW: http://voyager.abac.com/data * IRC Admin, voyager.dal.net * * --== Try DALnet! Server irc.dal.net, port 7000 ==-- * * "Stop smirking, Number 1." -- J.L. Picard * * "I'm a doctor, not a doorstop!" -- EMH Program, ST:FC * ********************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 07:09:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA16729 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA16722 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA03105 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:47:29 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA17894 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:46:41 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA15932; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:46:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA19508; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:46:41 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704101346.IAA19508@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: 1.94.1 problem To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:46:40 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "The Hermit Hacker" at Apr 10, 97 06:17:24 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Redirected to Majordomo-Users ] [ The Hermit Hacker writes: ] > > If you notice on the 'Forwarded message', the Sender header has been > added part way through the message. The list is moderated, so the > original message was sent to the list as (notice no space between > Approved and following line): I don't understand. You recognize that the embedded Approved: header violates the syntax (by the embedded headers not being followed by a blank line), doesn't include any of the usual headers (To:, From:, Subject:), and then call to our attention that part of the message body is incorrectly interpreted as headers (which the MTA rejects and thus moves them and any following headers to the body)? Doctor, it hurts when I do this! :-) Try this instead (leading line quotes added for brain dead mail systems): ->Approved: ->From: scrappy@hub.org ->To: netnotify@hub.org ->Subject: I finally learned how to use the Approved header -> -> <<-- Best Viewed : Full Screen using monospace font -->> -> ================================================================= -> -> The NetNotify E-zine FAQ -> A Service of NetCent Communications -> -> Dated: April 9, 1997 -> ================================================================= -> -> -> Marc G. Fournier -> Systems Administrator @ hub.org -> primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 07:19:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA17468 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id GAA17454 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA23226 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:54:23 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA19702; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:54:23 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: how to stop auto-reply loop? References: Date: 10 Apr 1997 09:54:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: Jim Dawson's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "JD" == Jim Dawson writes: JD> The vacation program does not function as you describe. From the man page: Not all vacation programs are created equal. There are a number of autoresponders out there that are not particularly bright, do not cache headers, and will happilly throw your list into a loop. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0zxDJ6VRH7BJMxHAQGr8QP+MuSHbWlm3fBuQTNnXw2gBZYmBzgH24Vb /mrBtuz1xrrLOR8+HzHlojdao08iA42v3sCic1ppRDEMiYlazeXmh/ORmeX6ZPS1 xA7qUe+TR2MnSkxMvQTiNevn0Rf2rvVLGJydH4B+ItpgVp8CU0zs3jyWB2ebHI4I v37MWsNt5C0= =1BqB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 07:21:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA18207 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA18191 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA23455 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:02:46 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA20134; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:02:46 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line References: Date: 10 Apr 1997 10:02:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Kendall P. Bullen"'s message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "KPB" == Kendall P Bullen writes: KPB> Sounds like it should be 'fixed' to move the prefix to the start of KPB> the line. (Hey, as long as it's rewriting the subject line, why not KPB> fix things like that? ;) Like I already mentioned, I have written code that does something like this. It is an ugly hack of iterative stripping of leaders and trailers using regular expressions to match "cruft", and it does not work for anything even remotely resembling all cases. The kind of Subject header mugning that various MUAs out there do (Lotus cc:Mail is one of the worst) prevent such code from working with any significant reliability. At the very least the regular expressions in the code need to be constantly updated as some new MUA does something a little different from all the rest. "Be liberal in what you accept, conservative in what you send." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0zzBJ6VRH7BJMxHAQFwdAP/aSvjTmoBmTDsNRBYitro7pVpndgp0lcu ikahlgtcU/fJK71bNbTiOq5v7E1Bz8Y986xlBjWZWRumSh9U9NVpJN5/bvjYAD/l s50YKYo+U+2jGyxoqyfA0v2drepRpgycxLPS1MqnYj49MMLOAcCrr1nHXXafYwz5 XSW/1dQb3xE= =Fg3A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 07:27:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA18375 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helix.mgh.harvard.edu (helix.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.108.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA18358 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by helix.mgh.harvard.edu (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/02Feb97-1116AM) id AA14638; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:02:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:02:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Gurgul To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, Jon Martinson , Michael Nathan Subject: Re: basic entry level questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thank you for responding. This will help. Dennis J. Gurgul Helix System Management 617.724.3169 On 9 Apr 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "DG" == Dennis Gurgul writes: > > DG> Does someone acting as a list owner/administrator need root access, or > DG> can that work be done at the user level (once everything is installed)? > > You need root to install Majordomo because it involves MTA (i.e. Sendmail) > configuration, making a user, creating some directories and making one > binary setuid. > > After installation, you may need root to create new lists because you must > add mail aliases, but there are ways to get around that. In my > installation, I never need root except to upgrade the software. > > List owners don't even need accounts on the system. > > DG> Let's say somebody administers a unix system with about 1,000 users, > DG> and they need just the basics of a mailing list service. How big of a > DG> task is the maintenance of this for someone with limited unix admin > DG> experience (couple years)? > > Once things are set up, you need pretty close to zero admin experience. I > run lists totaling ten thousand or so users and I spend 15 minutes a day or > so taking care of bounces and answering the odd plea for help to the list > owner. This is exclusive of actually _reading_ the lists, mind you. > > Of course, I have a good support system. Procmail filters all of my > list-related mail into nice sorted folders and Gnus lets me read them like > newsgroups (and handle approvals with a keypress). I can also ignore all > of the bounces until the evening, then take care of them at once. > > If you have lesser mailers or no filtering, expect things to take longer. > > - J< > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 07:34:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA18356 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helix.mgh.harvard.edu (helix.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.108.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA18347 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by helix.mgh.harvard.edu (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/02Feb97-1116AM) id AA09534; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:04:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:04:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Gurgul To: "Dewey M. Sasser" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, Jon Martinson , Michael Nathan Subject: Re: basic entry level questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks for responding. Our setup will be much smaller, so I'm encouraged. Dennis J. Gurgul Helix System Management 617.724.3169 On 9 Apr 1997, Dewey M. Sasser wrote: > >>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Gurgul writes: > > Dennis> 1. Some users here have requested I install majordomo on > Dennis> our unix system. They have offered to help with the > Dennis> administrative burden. Does someone acting as a list > Dennis> owner/administrator need root access, or can that work be > Dennis> done at the user level (once everything is installed)? > > List owners do not need root access. All list owner operations are > performed via mail, so they do not even need to be users on your system. > > Dennis> 2. I subscribed to majordomo-users about a month ago and > Dennis> see about 30 or more messages per day. Many of the issues > Dennis> look like basic configuration problems. Let's say > Dennis> somebody administers a unix system with about 1,000 users, > Dennis> and they need just the basics of a mailing list service. > Dennis> How big of a task is the maintenance of this for someone > Dennis> with limited unix admin experience (couple years)? Will I > Dennis> have time for lunch? Thanks. > > Once MJ is set up, there is very little for the MJ-owner to do. Most > of the burden is (as it should be) on the list administrators. > > Occasionally, you might have to get involved to fix a mail loop. > Also, any bad mail to majordomo@yourdomain will go your way (such as a > user sending a "help" command from an invalid address, or whatever. > If the majordomo mail bounces, it will bounce to majordomo-owner. You > can pick a victim (uh, I mean volunteer) to assist you with handling > this type of thing (which I haven't seen on my lists since the last > time I screwed up setting up a list). > > My company has on the order of 70 mailing lists (few of them public), > and the only serious time commitment is on the one list where the > owner has to track down all bad/changed addresses. Again, this burden > is on the list owner, not the majordomo owner. > > The majordomo owner (or at least someone who can su root) will be > necessary to add/change list topology such as adding a digest version > of the list or adding archiving. Again, this is a setup cost. List > options such as visibility, subscription, moderation, headers, > footers, digests going out (except by cron) are all handled by the > list owners. > > In summary, not too long ago my company made the rule that "all > aliases with more than one person on it should be a majordomo mailing > list", because, once majordomo is setup, there is less increment cost > in maintaining another list than there is in maintaining the sendmail > aliases. > > > -- > Dewey M. Sasser voice: (617) 494-6000 > dewey@newvision.com PGP Key from public servers > PGP mail preferred. > --- > "Deliver yesterday, code today, think tomorrow." > > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 07:36:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA20940 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itw.com (rsk.itw.com [206.138.122.70]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA20881 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rsk@localhost) by itw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25719; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:26:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Kulawiec Message-Id: <199704101426.KAA25719@itw.com> Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line To: kendall@lists.tax.org (Kendall P. Bullen) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Kendall P. Bullen" at Apr 10, 1997 08:43:50 AM Reply-To: rsk@itw.com Organization: Fire on the Mountain X-Last-River: Farmington, CT X-Home_Page: http://www.itw.com/~rsk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > >> I certainly hope not. It leads to hideously ugly subject lines which >> only get longer and longer as the prefix (and various forms of "re:", >> "RE:" and "Re:") are prepended to each other. > >Sounds like it should be 'fixed' to move the prefix to the start of >the line. (Hey, as long as it's rewriting the subject line, why not >fix things like that? ;) Yes, that could be done; but I think the correct solution is not use these "prefix" lines in the first place. There are plenty of software options which completely remove the need for them including standalone filters and filters inside mail-reading clients. The alternative leads to this kind of nonsense (an excerpt from my mail folder for the "webconsultants" mailing list): 1: George Matyjewicz Re: WC:>: Message not deliverable 2: George Matyjewicz WC:>: IE & Netscape review 3: George Matyjewicz Re: WC:>: Message not deliverable 4: David Feigin Re: WC:>: Re: What goes into a page? 5: Dug Weider Re: WC:>: Re: What goes into a page? 6: Chad Zimmerman Re: WC:>: Re: WCD:>: Internet Explorer 4.0 1st impre 7: ito_ogami@earthlink.net Re: WCD:>: Web Consultants Digest 04/08/97 PART I 8: Michael A. Stone WC:>: Re: WCD:>: synching up with an external time s 9: Michael A. Stone WC:>: Re: binary downloads (was: WCD 04/08/97) 10: Brent Eades Re: WC:>: Re: What goes into a page? 11: Barry Lee Brisco WC:>: Re: WCD:>: Internet Explorer 4.0 1st impressio 12: Brent Eades WC:>: Oops... 13: Brent Eades WC:>: Web cam, how to 14: Brent Eades Re: WC:>: Re: WCD:>: Internet Explorer 4.0 1st impre 15: Brent Eades Re: WC:>: Re: WCD:>: Internet Explorer 4.0 1st impre 16: Karen Vignare WC:>: Internet Explorer 4.0 1st impressions 17: Ed Weinberg WC:>: sndmail or equiv for NT? 18: Alsilj4u@aol.com WC:>: Fwd: NeTcon Caravan 97 19: George Matyjewicz Re: WC:>: sndmail or equiv for NT? Note that this particular mailing list winds up with doubly-ugly "Subject" lines due to the use of "WC" for the raw mailing list and "WCD" for the digest version. Unfortunately, the people on this particular mailing list seem to have chosen this instead of simply acquiring mail-filtering software with adequate capabilities. ---Rsk From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 07:43:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA22198 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA22099 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA24246 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:34:20 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA21746; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:34:20 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line References: <199704101259.HAA19638@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Date: 10 Apr 1997 10:34:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: Dave Wolfe's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:59:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 74 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "DW" == Dave Wolfe writes: DW> But "thread mode" for your mail reader is obviously *not* DW> subject/thread sorting. The two depend on entirely different headers DW> and may or may not coexist in a given mail reader. Exactly. Besides, most MUAs do not generate References headers; they are not required for Internet mail, so "threading" must be performed on Subject header contents. This becomes problematical with list tags. One common MUA (Lotus cc:Mail) will turn the subject above into something that looks like this once it goes through Majordomo: (MJ) Re[1]: (MJ) Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line Then when a German version of Microsoft Exchange gets it, the reply's Subject looks something like this after Mj is done with it: (MJ) Aw: (MJ) Re[1]: (MJ) Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line These clearly will not match this Subject header: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line The result is that even though the two messages should be "clumped" together they will not because as far as Gnus is concerned the two header contents are different strings. Admittedly this is a worst-case type of scenario, but it will happen because everyone wants the MUA they write to do something different. Thus cc:Mail's numbering (and thus screwing up) of 'Re:' prefixes and the German version of Exchange's 'Aw:' instead of 'Re:'. Some MUAs use "Fw:" instead of "Fwd:". Throw list tags into the brew and forget being able to distinguish between what should be stripped and what should not. Any code aggressive enough to catch every list's tag string will not be subtle enough not to strip something it should not. You can treat every list as a special case, but that is a big pain in the behind... and it will still occasionally strip something it should not. For instance, this: Re: (MJ) I hate these (MJ) list tags may be transformed into this: Re: I hate these list tags You can limit the match/strip to the first instance of the tag string, but that may not be aggressive enough to deal with some of the transformations that some MUAs may put Subject headers through. Or you can simply not use list tags and let the subscribers learn to use their tools. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0z6ap6VRH7BJMxHAQFUlwP7BvsLtizHwpjTg8a5aHaORdZD0EOLcO3u kfNsEgyYTk1Ru1s4IrupO0ypR1/XiEO0/6SlsGecg/ZVBcOwiNhb3EDdo/f/Zf9C iZCGV3yqPsaNz0oWE13QIoMz6cRCynwdPqPfJ9244zzFp/ngvBNsyuAJyBcZqex+ sT4HqGkjFSA= =K40n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 07:52:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA22343 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA22268 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA24305 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:35:06 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA21786; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:35:06 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: basic entry level questions References: Date: 10 Apr 1997 10:35:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: Hedlund's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "H" == Hedlund writes: H> Out of curiosity, what are the ways of getting around using root to add H> new lists? Or is this documented somewhere? I couldn't find it... Make the /etc{/mail}/aliases file group writable and add the Majordomo administrator to that group. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM0z6mJ6VRH7BJMxHAQHnMAQAnROx+4n2fO2k3OrRmf0CcWc06P57Z6s1 aKn6I6ZbvC+IsfT6nTnNSaKT8+nyu6AvjAUyluazGTqgksaR0e00XEB+tUhUZrsP 7vtvgPviVB1jOAFnV22tbBbeysZnim1gLUL84xToo0ublov+/clOVUdKLhkWSHio Y0oPHV6X1rk= =xDs+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Prescient Technologies, Inc. | A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 08:09:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA26586 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA26460 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA09118 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 10 Apr 97 07:59:04 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA20557 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 10 Apr 97 07:58:29 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA20940; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:58:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA18380; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:58:28 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704101458.JAA18380@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Advertise and regexps To: Dominique.Frise@ci.unil.ch (Dominique FRISE) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:58:27 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199704101346.PAA14789@cisun26.unil.ch> from "Dominique FRISE" at Apr 10, 97 03:46:06 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Dominique FRISE writes: ] > > We are using Majordomo 1.93 with perl 5.003 on an UltraSparc 1 running > Solaris 2.5.1. The regular expressions for "advertise" in the *.config > files are not working properly. [...] > I looked at the FAQs and majordomo-users archives without success. Look some more. This is a known problem in 1.93 and a patch is published in the June 1996 Majordomo-Workers archive. Select the thread index and look for my follow-up to "Majordomo advertise/noadvertise bug?". -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 08:19:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA24828 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA24799 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA08335 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 07:50:03 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA17463 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:35:06 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA20279; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:35:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA13590; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:35:04 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704101335.IAA13590@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Majordomo 1.94.1 problems To: scrappy@hub.org Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:35:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: darchell@netcent.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (Majordomo user's mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "The Hermit Hacker" at Apr 10, 97 05:58:28 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Redirected to Majordomo-Users ] [ The Hermit Hacker writes: ] > > I just upgraded to Majordomo 1.94.1 from 1.93 for one of my > users mailing lists (9200+ subscribers) and he is reporting that > CompuServe.COM users are seeing the following, where 1.93 came out > correctly (ie. hidden): > > X-Authentication-Warning: hub.org: majordom set sender to > owner-netnotify@hub.org using -f This header is inserted by sendmail when the sender isn't "trusted" by sendmail, i.e. not specified in the 'T' settings in sendmail.cf. > Apparently-To: <103446.773@CompuServe.COM> [...] I think this is pretty common with CompuServe (and perhaps other "value added" domains) when the To: address isn't a recognized user. It also happens elsewhere when the To: header is absent. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 08:31:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA29816 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA29806 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id IAA28064 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12327; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:15:08 -0500 (CDT) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: basic entry level questions References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Apr 1997 10:15:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: Rich Pieri's message of 10 Apr 1997 10:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RP" == Rich Pieri writes: RP> Make the /etc{/mail}/aliases file group writable and add the Majordomo RP> administrator to that group. Even better is to have Sendmail use more than one alias file, and put one of them in the Majordomo directory. I think we even document this in the INSTALL file. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 09:08:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA08327 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iol-mail.iol.it (iol-mail.iol.it [194.20.24.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA08308 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enterprise (pg-max-ip-15.iunet.it [193.76.53.15]) by iol-mail.iol.it (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28296 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:03:41 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970410180441.1207d36c@popmail.iol.it> X-Sender: sambucci@popmail.iol.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:04:41 +0200 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Luca Sambucci Subject: Error 255 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Can anybody please explain me the following error: --start-- The original message was received at Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:45:32 +0200 (MET DST) from relay.pronet.it [194.183.5.2] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- eval of majordomo.cf failed Perl version $RCSfile: perl.c,v $$Revision: 1.2 $$Date: 1993/12/22 17:08:26 $ Patch level: 36 too old 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 255 ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: maurizi@pronet.it Received: from ammi01.pronet.it (relay.pronet.it [194.183.5.2]) by itaweb.com (8.8.5) id RAA28652; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:45:32 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: itaweb.com: Host relay.pronet.it [194.183.5.2] claimed to be ammi01.pronet.it Received: from relay.pronet.it (relay.pronet.it [194.183.5.2]) by ammi01.pronet.it (NTMail 3.02.09) with ESMTP id aa113672 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:44:56 +0200 Received: from PN32.ppp35.pronet.it ([194.183.5.67]) by ammi01.pronet.it (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Message-ID: <334D0B3D.283F@pronet.it> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:46:05 +0200 From: maurizi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo@itaweb.com Subject: SUBSCRIBE AN-INFO X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Info: E-mail services powered by Pro.Net. srl SUBSCRIBE AN-INFO --end-- TIA. ciao, Luca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Luca Sambucci www.sambucci.com luca@sambucci.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " There is no such problem that cannot be solved )\._.,--....,'``. by the appropriate application /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. of high explosives. " `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 09:23:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA09773 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snark.wizard.com (snark.wizard.com [199.171.28.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA09766 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcy Kulic To: "Kendall P. Bullen" cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > > I certainly hope not. It leads to hideously ugly subject lines which > > only get longer and longer as the prefix (and various forms of "re:", > > "RE:" and "Re:") are prepended to each other. > > Sounds like it should be 'fixed' to move the prefix to the start of > the line. (Hey, as long as it's rewriting the subject line, why not > fix things like that? ;) It doesn't keep adding a new subject each time. I use it for my list, and if the list title is already in the subject, it isn't added again. So if your reply to: LISTNAME: some such thread the reply looks like: Re: LISTNAME: some such thread and the LISTNAME is *not* appended on again! Marcy From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 09:30:37 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA08667 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA08595 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by lists.tax.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00087; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:04:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:04:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: Rich Kulawiec cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line In-Reply-To: <199704101426.KAA25719@itw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > Yes, that could be done; but I think the correct solution is not use > these "prefix" lines in the first place. There are plenty of software > options which completely remove the need for them including standalone filters > and filters inside mail-reading clients. Please. The feature is there. Don't say "don't use it" -- that sounds like an excuse not to fix it. :) We could argue about ways to sort one's e-mail all day, and it wouldn't do any good for people who (a) use different mailers and/or OSs, or (b) use this feature (either because they, or their subscribers, wish it). Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 09:52:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA12661 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk (lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA12640 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Epstein Message-Id: <8826.199704101636@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA08826; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:36:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: very strange mail loop found/majordomo ease of use To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:36:26 +0100 (BST) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (mju) In-Reply-To: from "Jason L Tibbitts III" at Apr 10, 97 00:57:18 am Organization: Maths Institute, Warwick University, Coventry, UK. Acknowledge-To: dbae@maths.warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>>> "JW" == Jeff Wasilko writes: >JW> [] [] >I suppose a completely enlightening message would be pretty difficult to >cook up for an address this broken, but at least they get a hint of the >problem and the address stays off of the list. MJ's help message could give an example as well as using metacharacters to help the zubscriber inclined to misinterpret instructions. But I suppose there is always some new way to misinterpret. What I am interested in is whether mj would accept an instruction from a list-owner to remove an illegal address like the one above. In earlier versions of mj, mj accepted an illegal address, then refused me permission to remove it, saying "illegal address". Not everyone has direct write-access to mj's files, and there are good reasons why people with such privileges should avoid using them. I hope that the current version of Mj does not make checks for legality of emailaddresses when carrying out instructions like approve PASSWORD unsubscribe listname emailaddress If emailaddress is in the list of zubscribers, it had better be removable, even if it has embedded tabs and spaces. David Epstein. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 09:57:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA14068 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA13982 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA27861 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:46:00 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA27876; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:45:59 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: basic entry level questions References: Date: 10 Apr 1997 12:45:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: Jason L Tibbitts III's message of 10 Apr 1997 10:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes: JLT> Even better is to have Sendmail use more than one alias file, and put JLT> one of them in the Majordomo directory. I think we even document this JLT> in the INSTALL file. The downside is that when sendmail converts the aliases file into database format (newaliases) the aliases in the included files are not incorporated into the database. So, every time sendmail checks aliases (which is every time it runs) it has to go through the flat files. Whether or not this is a significant performance hit is up to the individual admin to decide. As for me, I would use sudo to allow the Majordomo administrator limited root privs. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM00ZPZ6VRH7BJMxHAQHUAgP+OfJnJvd3MWmlECyYAcnKivAmaYLdqD0/ Q/00/gh5166TCtTjYBAnsD62vea4LIHotCSUt1hyjm3HG1PnLT4u7xuUD/ebp7B2 M2jUWq/7g/e+VCn8C/hm667WMD4FoVzukyloLvDPMbm8/TGaLEyPSw39kG2run+e OSYDa1rdzgc= =fdnW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not use Happy Fun Ball on Prescient Technologies, Inc. | concrete. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 10:03:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA12506 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itw.com (rsk.itw.com [206.138.122.70]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA12403 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rsk@localhost) by itw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27292 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Kulawiec Message-Id: <199704101636.MAA27292@itw.com> Subject: Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:36:42 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Kendall P. Bullen" at Apr 10, 1997 11:04:38 AM Reply-To: rsk@itw.com Organization: Fire on the Mountain X-Last-River: Farmington, CT X-Home_Page: http://www.itw.com/~rsk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Kendall Bullen writes: >On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > >> Yes, that could be done; but I think the correct solution is not use >> these "prefix" lines in the first place. There are plenty of software >> options which completely remove the need for them including standalone filters >> and filters inside mail-reading clients. > >Please. The feature is there. Don't say "don't use it" -- that >sounds like an excuse not to fix it. :) We could argue about ways to >sort one's e-mail all day, and it wouldn't do any good for people who >(a) use different mailers and/or OSs, or (b) use this feature (either >because they, or their subscribers, wish it). We then have a disagreement on just *what* the 'tagging' is; you call it a feature; I call it a darn annoyance, on par with the useless attachments auto-included by some Microsoft mail agents, or with the recent foolish trend toward embedding HTML tags inside message bodies. Look. Nobody is forcibly subscribed to mailing lists (such as this one). I presume that anyone who subscribes to one or more mailing lists understands that this may mean that they receive a substantial volume of mail, and I presume that they will then ensure that they have the appropriate software tools and know how to use them. If they have chosen poorly -- and do not have the appropriate OS/mailer/etc., or do not know how to use them -- then they are going to have difficulties even *if* this "tagging" is used. To borrow a phrase from my whitewater partner, This Is Not My Problem. I have chosen an appropriate OS/mailer/etc. to make dealing with large volumes of mail a tractable problem; I expect others to do the same *or* unsubscribe. I do *not* expect them to attempt to impose ill-thought-out "solutions" on those of us who already had the problem solved a decade ago. ---Rsk From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 10:30:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA18852 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iol-mail.iol.it (iol-mail.iol.it [194.20.24.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA18779 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enterprise (pg-max-ip-15.iunet.it [193.76.53.15]) by iol-mail.iol.it (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA12859; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:08:58 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970410190959.105f5304@popmail.iol.it> X-Sender: sambucci@popmail.iol.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:09:59 +0200 To: Steve From: Luca Sambucci Subject: Re: Error 255 Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.16.19970410180441.1207d36c@popmail.iol.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 13.05 10/04/97 -0400, Steve wrote: > >Look to me like you are running an old perl I've solved the problem right now: I was using a Majordomo 1.94.1 config file for my Majordomo 1.93 :-) ciao, Luca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Luca Sambucci www.sambucci.com luca@sambucci.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " You have the right to remain silent. )\._.,--....,'``. Anything you say will be misquoted /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. and used against you. " `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 10:38:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA19639 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from java.aboard.co.uk (java.aboard.co.uk [194.73.51.130]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA19606 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nick@localhost) by java.aboard.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA28151; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:12:39 +0100 Message-ID: <19970410181239.58610@amulation.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:12:39 +0100 From: Nick Perry To: Rich Pieri , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: basic entry level questions References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1e In-Reply-To: ; from Rich Pieri on Apr 04, 1997 at 12:45:59PM -0400 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Apr 04, 1997 at 12:45:59PM -0400, Rich Pieri wrote: > JLT> Even better is to have Sendmail use more than one alias file, and put > JLT> one of them in the Majordomo directory. > > The downside is that when sendmail converts the aliases file into database > format (newaliases) the aliases in the included files are not incorporated > into the database. So, every time sendmail checks aliases (which is every > time it runs) it has to go through the flat files. ...erm... it shouldnt' be behaving like that. What do you mean by 'included'? The proper way to deal with multiple alias files is to specify multiple OA lines in sendmail.cf. If you have dome this, You need to upgrade your sendmail and/or make sure newaliases is properly symlinked to sendmail. Sendmail has rebuilt all alias files specified in OA lines in sendmail.cf for quite some time now. You could invoke the alias rebuilding explicitly as sendmail -bi just to be sure what's going on. Nick -- Nick Perry | Home / Recreation | Work - AboarD Boats & Yachts ____________ | LONDON SW1, UK | LONDON SW10 0TB UK Internet, | http://www.amulation.co.uk | http://www.aboard.co.uk Musicals, | nick@amulation.co.uk | np@aboard.co.uk Theatre, ----------------------------------------------------------- Coffee, Tea, Multimedia, Macs, Photography, Print Publishing, etc, etc.. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 10:38:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA20792 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id KAA20734 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA20864 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:20:40 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA24721 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 10 Apr 97 09:41:41 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA21595; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:41:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id LAA18380; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:41:40 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704101641.LAA18380@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Error 255 To: luca@sambucci.com (Luca Sambucci) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:41:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19970410180441.1207d36c@popmail.iol.it> from "Luca Sambucci" at Apr 10, 97 06:04:41 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Luca Sambucci writes: ] > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > eval of majordomo.cf failed Perl version $RCSfile: perl.c,v $$Revision: 1.2 > $$Date: 1993/12/22 17:08:26 $ > Patch level: 36 > too old I'll bet you checked the Perl 4 sources into RCS (or CVS) without using -ko and built Perl from files checked out of them. My Perl4.036 shows this for 'print $];' $RCSfile: perl.c,v $$Revision: 4.0.1.8 $$Date: 1993/02/05 19:39:30 $ Patch level: 36 Note the revision of 4.0.1.8 instead of 1.2. You really need to upgrade your Perl, but you can just comment out these lines in your majordomo.cf: - die "Perl version $] too old\n" if ($] < 4.019); + #die "Perl version $] too old\n" if ($] < 4.019); -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 10:52:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA24382 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iol-mail.iol.it (iol-mail.iol.it [194.20.24.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA24342 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enterprise (pg-max-ip-15.iunet.it [193.76.53.15]) by iol-mail.iol.it (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA22923 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:46:42 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970410194743.224fa52c@popmail.iol.it> X-Sender: sambucci@popmail.iol.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:47:43 +0200 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Luca Sambucci Subject: Installing Maj 1.94.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk While installing majordomo 1.94.1: make install Testing for perl (/usr/bin/perl)... mkdir: /usr/tmp/mj-install-1.94.1: No such file or directory Now, is this just a stupid Unix problem, or is it something more serious? I'm no Unix guru, so I can't tell. My "mkdir" file is stored in the directory /usr/bin/ I currently run Perl 5. I somehow feel that the solution is trivial, but I can't find it. BTW, the directory /usr/tmp/ does already exist. ciao, Luca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Luca Sambucci www.sambucci.com luca@sambucci.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " There is no such problem that cannot be solved )\._.,--....,'``. by the appropriate application /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. of high explosives. " `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 11:22:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA28036 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mohost.moric.org (mohost.moric.org [168.170.25.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA27976 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mohawk.moric.org by mohost.moric.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23039; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:56:07 -0400 Received: from MADISON_ADMIN/SpoolDir by mohawk.moric.org (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 10 Apr 97 14:19:31 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by MADISON_ADMIN (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 10 Apr 97 14:19:02 +500 From: "REITTINGER, PAT" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:19:01 +5 EST Subject: reply X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <7E5380E16A4@mohawk.moric.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk By listserv default, does one reply back to the original sender, and correspond with the list by mailing a new message to the list? My users are having discussions as to how a listserv should work, what reply means, etc. Thankful for any insight. Pat Reittinger ********************************** Pat Reittinger Mohawk Regional Information Center (315)361-5760 preittinge@mohawk.moric.org ********************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 11:30:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA28355 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA28346 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA25492 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:17:26 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA27983 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:16:58 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA20044; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:16:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id NAA20480; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:16:58 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704101816.NAA20480@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Installing Maj 1.94.1 To: luca@sambucci.com (Luca Sambucci) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:16:57 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19970410194743.224fa52c@popmail.iol.it> from "Luca Sambucci" at Apr 10, 97 07:47:43 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Luca Sambucci writes: ] > > While installing majordomo 1.94.1: > > make install > Testing for perl (/usr/bin/perl)... > mkdir: /usr/tmp/mj-install-1.94.1: No such file or directory > > > Now, is this just a stupid Unix problem, or is it something more serious? > I'm no Unix guru, so I can't tell. > My "mkdir" file is stored in the directory /usr/bin/ I currently run Perl 5. > > I somehow feel that the solution is trivial, but I can't find it. > > BTW, the directory /usr/tmp/ does already exist. Then this makes no sense. Is /usr/tmp a symlink that points at something that doesn't exist? Is /usr/tmp world writable? I.e. drwxrwxrwx (may be drwxrwxrwt on some systems)? It looks like the error is coming from the config-scripts target. Do you get the same error if you just 'make config-scripts'? -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 13:25:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA10835 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA10639 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA21654; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:30:40 -0500 (CDT) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: basic entry level questions References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Apr 1997 14:30:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: Rich Pieri's message of 10 Apr 1997 12:45:59 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RP" == Rich Pieri writes: RP> The downside is that when sendmail converts the aliases file into RP> database format (newaliases) the aliases in the included files are not RP> incorporated into the database. This doesn't happen for me. Each aliases file gets its own database. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 13:32:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA12566 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mohost.moric.org (mohost.moric.org [168.170.25.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id MAA12474 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mohawk.moric.org by mohost.moric.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13903; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:22:43 -0400 Received: from MADISON_ADMIN/SpoolDir by mohawk.moric.org (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 10 Apr 97 15:46:09 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by MADISON_ADMIN (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 10 Apr 97 15:45:43 +500 From: "REITTINGER, PAT" To: bh@digital.net Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:45:38 +5 EST Subject: Re: reply Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <7E6A9F16288@mohawk.moric.org> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > From: bh@digital.net > To: "REITTINGER, PAT" > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: reply > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:33:55 GMT > Reply-to: bh@digital.net > On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:19:01 +5 EST, you wrote: > > > > > > >By listserv default, does one reply back to the original sender, and > >correspond with the list by mailing a new message to the list? My > >users are having discussions as to how a listserv should work, what > >reply means, etc. > > With most mail systems and using the default majordomo behavior,if you just use > reply it goes to the sender of the message. If you use "reply to all" then the > reply will go to the sender and to the list. This way you have an option of > sending a reply to the list or just to the sender. > > if you change the list so replies go back to the list then you open up problems > with potential mail loops from malformed mailers. Also, if you decide that you > want to send a message back to the sender of the message only then you have to > create a new message to do it. You do not easily have the choice like you do if > reply is set to go to the sender by default. > > Brian > > Thanks, This then becomes a training issue. It is true, setting reply-to to the list is very messy! Wait til those confirm/receipts start coming in!! Pat ********************************** Pat Reittinger Mohawk Regional Information Center (315)361-5760 preittinge@mohawk.moric.org ********************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 13:34:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA05841 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA05804 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp6.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: uucp6.UU.NET [192.48.96.37]) id QQcksa24763; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spsgate.UUCP by uucp6.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:05:24 -0400 Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com by spsgate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA19659 for greatcircle.com!majordomo-users; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:58:15 MST Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA28563 for mohawk.moric.org!preittinge@uunet.uucp@spsem02.sps.mot.com; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:58:09 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA29369 for greatcircle.com!majordomo-users@uunet.uucp; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:57:59 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA20491; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:57:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id NAA04726; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:57:59 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704101857.NAA04726@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: reply To: uunet!mohawk.moric.org!preittinge@uunet.uu.net (REITTINGER, PAT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:57:58 -0500 (CDT) Cc: uunet!greatcircle.com!majordomo-users@uunet.uu.net In-Reply-To: <7E5380E16A4@mohawk.moric.org> from "REITTINGER, PAT" at Apr 10, 97 02:19:01 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ REITTINGER, PAT writes: ] > > By listserv default, does one reply back to the original sender, and > correspond with the list by mailing a new message to the list? My > users are having discussions as to how a listserv should work, what > reply means, etc. FWIW, "reply" to most MUAs (Mail User Agents, e.g. mail readers) addresses mail to the sender(s) or, if present, the Reply-To address. "Reply all" aka "Group reply" addresses the sender(s) (modulo Reply-To as above) *and* everyone listed in the Cc header. If one mails a new message to the list, all threading is lost and quoting what one is responding to in order to establish context is a royal pain. New messages are for new threads, not replies to existing threads. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 13:43:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA05338 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA05267 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA32019 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:01:33 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA01936; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:01:33 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: how to stop auto-reply loop? References: Date: 10 Apr 1997 15:01:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: Michael Huber's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 53 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "MH" == Michael Huber writes: MH> Correct but, it does mean that anytime someone sends a message to the MH> list they will get the 'vacation' message. Maybe. What *should* be happening is actually several things. First, the vacation program extracts the originator's mailbox and compares it to a log of such headers; if there is a match then it will not do anything else. If there is no match then two things happen: the header is added to the log, and the vacation response is sent out to the (Reply-To | From) mailbox. With a "correctly" functioning vacation program, any given subscriber who posts to the list will generate exactly one response which will go either to the Reply-To address if it exists, otherwise the From address. With a list-bound Reply-To this will cause a loop of one iteration, worst case, then stop because the autoresponder's own mailbox will be in the headers of the first automatic response. Without a list-bound Reply-To the automatic response will never go to the list; it will go directly to the original poster. But there are plenty of reasons why a vacation program would not function correctly. The program could be buggy or just plain broken. The subscriber's allocated disk space may be used up, preventing extension of the vacation log file. Regardless of why, a vacation program in such a state can cause mail loops if a mailing list sets Reply-To headers that point back to the list. Such a program does exactly what it is told to do: send replies to the list. You really cannot blame it for doing something wrong because from a purely technical perspective it is doing nothing wrong. The fault is in the list-bound Reply-To header which is broken as far as RFC822 is concerned (technically, the setting of an originator header by an agent other than the message's originator). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM005C56VRH7BJMxHAQGL+AP+MgMgMpuLfV2b+jXUUBbTfMML3+lqypiJ wuReB+fSVrH2+JxKT2jFz/oSjBXCJJUuS0wwUxNH8HMo2K0JVuwGqbITnnBetMKD Cs6KziyNQ9DOm6UhEVblrBKNXpHg3T0eIWt6QTIT6tmhbvQFv3kNxdQ2eDgCqzC5 QOl9CfDZJmM= =adzd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Warning: pregnant women, the Prescient Technologies, Inc. | elderly, and children under 10 A Stone & Webster Company | should avoid prolonged exposure to I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | Happy Fun Ball. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 13:58:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA00669 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from umbc5.umbc.edu (umbc5.umbc.edu [130.85.1.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA00653 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from umbc6.umbc.edu (mhuber1@umbc6.umbc.edu [130.85.6.6]) by umbc5.umbc.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02923; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mhuber1@localhost) by umbc6.umbc.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23504; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:34:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: umbc6.umbc.edu: mhuber1 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:34:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Huber To: Rich Pieri cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: how to stop auto-reply loop? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > This form of mail loop is the most common form you will find. It > can be avoided entirely by not setting a list-bound Reply-To header. > A list that does not have a list-bound Reply-To header will never be > caught in a mail loop caused by someone's vacation program. Correct but, it does mean that anytime someone sends a message to the list they will get the 'vacation' message. --------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The thoughts and ideas expressed above are mine and mine alone. | | Michael Huber mhuber1@umbc.edu | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 14:13:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA01258 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brickbat7.mindspring.com (brickbat7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA01226 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: bh@digital.net Received: from unknown (user-37kbbne.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.174.238]) by brickbat7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24507; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:37:10 -0400 (EDT) To: "REITTINGER, PAT" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: reply Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:33:55 GMT Reply-To: bh@digital.net Message-ID: <3355320c.325560723@mail.mindspring.com> References: <7E5380E16A4@mohawk.moric.org> In-Reply-To: <7E5380E16A4@mohawk.moric.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:19:01 +5 EST, you wrote: > > >By listserv default, does one reply back to the original sender, and=20 >correspond with the list by mailing a new message to the list? My=20 >users are having discussions as to how a listserv should work, what=20 >reply means, etc. With most mail systems and using the default majordomo behavior,if you = just use reply it goes to the sender of the message. If you use "reply to all" = then the reply will go to the sender and to the list. This way you have an option= of sending a reply to the list or just to the sender. if you change the list so replies go back to the list then you open up = problems with potential mail loops from malformed mailers. Also, if you decide = that you want to send a message back to the sender of the message only then you = have to create a new message to do it. You do not easily have the choice like = you do if reply is set to go to the sender by default. Brian From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 14:27:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA25888 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dedo.absi.com (dedo.absi.com [198.60.58.231]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id OAA25881 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scapegoat.cusa.com (slc-pc40.cusa.com [206.100.152.120]) by dedo.absi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA20203 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:49:39 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970410150417.006b04e0@absi.com> X-Sender: cobyr@absi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:04:18 -0600 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: "Coby P. Randquist" Subject: DIGEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk When I execute the digest program with the following alias: limbo-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l limbo-digest limbo-digest-list" The message I get is Undefined subroutine &main::set_lock called at /usr/local/majordomo/digest line 29. I'm running on BSD/OS 2.0 with Perl 5.0 Any help would be appreciated. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 14:28:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA28916 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA28826 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA18933; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:21:05 -0500 (CDT) To: David Epstein Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (mju) Subject: Re: very strange mail loop found/majordomo ease of use References: <8826.199704101636@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Apr 1997 13:21:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: David Epstein's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:36:26 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DE" == David Epstein writes: DE> MJ's help message could give an example as well as using metacharacters DE> to help the zubscriber inclined to misinterpret instructions. Well, the documentation is always at issue. It's been getting steadily better, but good documentation is hard to come by and the developers aren't necessarily the best people to write it. 2.0 will of course need all new documentation (and someone to write it). DE> What I am interested in is whether mj would accept an instruction from DE> a list-owner to remove an illegal address like the one above. In proto-2.0 you can unsubscribe a regular expression. I think that takes care of most of the problems. If you get a multiple subscription (which is not normally permitted, but you can force subscriptions and you can play with the address transformations to get duplicates) then an unsubscribe command always removes the first matching entry unless you ask it to remove all matching entries. DE> If emailaddress is in the list of zubscribers, it had better be DE> removable, even if it has embedded tabs and spaces. Well, tabs are strictly forbidden in 2.0; tab is the record separator for the database. As for 1.x? Break out the editor. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 14:30:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA01073 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA00980 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA31254 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:36:14 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA00645; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:36:14 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: basic entry level questions References: <19970410181239.58610@amulation.co.uk> Date: 10 Apr 1997 14:36:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: Nick Perry's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:12:39 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "NP" == Nick Perry writes: NP> ...erm... it shouldnt' be behaving like that. What do you mean by NP> 'included'? The "include:" directive in your sendmail aliases file. This is documented in the sendmail documentation: included files are not incorporated into the master aliases database, they are searched as the flat files they are. NP> The proper way to deal with multiple alias files is to specify multiple NP> OA lines in sendmail.cf. Better still to set them in your sendmail.mc file and let the m4 processor build your .cf file. I had forgotten about the OA directive, probably because older versions of sendmail do not support it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM00zG56VRH7BJMxHAQH6cwQAuhGEDOChWhGrp5vQ08tsnd8abdpxT45c UMHMzBigktTo2CJrX+AZ8JDxpbmuseKFSIWTIXSNnrquS+C0W5rDmqBv8qF3uAY0 fayWIoRVggqqbhbE8+qdX3uMIKPyxUphv7ObE7nkTY2FIIIZjw6jMl4mDFDaU2Pf puvB/gWvKdo= =koNa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 14:52:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA28818 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA28804 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA03466 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:31:30 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA09617; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:31:31 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: reply References: <7E5380E16A4@mohawk.moric.org> <3355320c.325560723@mail.mindspring.com> Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:31:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: bh@digital.net's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:33:55 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "b" == bh writes: b> With most mail systems and using the default majordomo behavior,if you b> just use reply it goes to the sender of the message. If you use "reply b> to all" then the reply will go to the sender and to the list. This way b> you have an option of sending a reply to the list or just to the sender. Just one caveat: there is a small and slowly growing list of MUAs that are also news readers (or are news readers that have evolved into MUAs). Such programs have a 'followup' function which sends a reply just to the list. They usually need to be pre-fed with the lists' addresses, but once you do that you get consistant behaviour in your "message reader" regardless of the source of the messages you are reading. Gnus does this, of course. I belive Forte's Agent does it as well (not sure; I haven't used it in nearly a year and it has changed significantly in that time). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM01cL56VRH7BJMxHAQE5/QQAlMQ+4/2BlbzHPlAJJ+J/s3rHdJD5bNXU f6Q2ZJNr17662myRYBczs5TgrAHJp/FRl3Wo4DD+/B0J7l/Y7uDh0jwdwJLjWRxV RCUyzY+AjlGf59c0D1oQJMiHlxU3ZORMNR4pBhe7IHGFNDh8EW1GXFaYLEBn7jRG NuoVMr+KVHE= =bWKG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 15:22:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA04302 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.his.com (mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA04239 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.252.121.197] (shiva1-mclean-234.his.com [205.252.121.234]) by mail.his.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA26450 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:09:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: fandl@his.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:09:31 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: linda.cunningham@his.com (Linda M. Cunningham) Subject: Skill Levels and User Needs Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From reading the postings here in the past few weeks, it's clear that the posters (and, I'm sure, lurkers) to this list embrace a wide range of expertise; I'm certainly no expert regarding MJ, but even I have read the manual and can answer some of the more elementary questions, which is more than I can say for some. In conversations public and private stemming from threads on this list, I have come to realize that what some "gurus" on this list consider to be useless and extraneous is, for many of us frontline list-parents, absolutely essential. Having something inserted in either the header and/or at the top of messages to the list or digest is not only requested, but, believe it or not, a priority for many zubscribers, many of whom can barely stumble through logging on and retrieving email with Netscrape or MSIE. That it is beyond their current learning curve to study up on what or how to filter list messages from other incoming email should not preclude them from participating in the public discussion at hand. IMO, what some people on this list need to realize is that, personal preferences aside, simply because either (a) they don't have a need for this option or (b) they feel it superfluous, doesn't make it "a bad thing." Perhaps if a more enduser-friendly perspective was employed by some of the "gurus" and a more participatory list-parent attitude (i.e. RTFM first) was considered by the questioners, this list would not only be more informative, but less caustic, not to mention less flammable. (FWIW, the default "reply" is to the original poster; is it so necessary to cc: *everything* back to the list?) If anyone feels the need to whine incessantly to me about this, please do the rest of the list a favour and make it email.... Linda ----------------------------------------------------------------- Linda M. Cunningham | List Owner, CANWINE http://www.his.com/~fandl/canwine.html - Canadian Wines Home Page ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 15:52:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA10118 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wpsmp.acsc.net ([204.95.240.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id PAA10062 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ACSC-Message_Server by wpsmp.acsc.net with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:48:27 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:41:39 -0500 From: Nathan Gross To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Please help an ignorant soul how do I fix this? /usr2/tmp/majord-1.94.1/wrapper: error: Not running with proper UID and GID. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 16:07:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA13576 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA09711 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id PAA01805 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA27107; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:29:22 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199704102229.PAA27107@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: Skill Levels and User Needs To: linda.cunningham@his.com (Linda M. Cunningham) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Linda M. Cunningham" at Apr 10, 97 06:09:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You could probably make two concurrent lists -- e.g., listname and listname-gurus :) [in addition to listname-digest] and configure them with different reply-to, subject line, etc options set. That might help in a case where you have a lot of polarization between lists -- advertise the listname list, but mention the listname-guru version in the intro message, and anyone who is clever enough to join that one can do so. --Kynn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 16:57:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA09992 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA09928 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA04664 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:45:10 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA12962; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:45:11 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Skill Levels and User Needs References: Date: 10 Apr 1997 18:45:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: linda.cunningham@his.com's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 80 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LMC" == Linda M Cunningham writes: LMC> but, believe it or not, a priority for many zubscribers, many of whom LMC> can barely stumble through logging on and retrieving email with LMC> Netscrape or MSIE. Well, the big problem here is not so much the inability (or lack of desire) to learn to use their tools, but the tools themselves. The mail clients incorporated into Netscape and MSIE are slapdash affairs, poorly conceived and badly executed. I pity anyone who uses them out of choice or ignorance because there are *MUCH* better and easier to use mail clients available. At the very least they should look at Eudora Light, and you would do well to suggest it to them. LMC> That it is beyond their current learning curve to study up on what LMC> or how to filter list messages from other incoming email should not LMC> preclude them from participating in the public discussion at hand. Pick a header to filter on (like To, Cc, or Sender), type in the string to match against (the mailing list's name), pick/create a folder to put the mail into, and click "OK". Apologies in advance for the sarcasm but.... Anyone who cannot do that simple task is so far into the "computers are hard to use" mindset that nobody is going to crack them out of their shell. I have no compunctions about "leaving them behind" because they cannot do something that simple. I am not being elitist; I am talking about learning how to use the fundamental functions of your mail client (or getting a decent one, because there are plenty of them out there). If you refuse to learn how to use the basic functions of your mail client then I say, "screw you, go away". LMC> IMO, what some people on this list need to realize is that, personal LMC> preferences aside, simply because either (a) they don't have a need LMC> for this option or (b) they feel it superfluous, doesn't make it "a LMC> bad thing." When a "feature" that helps a small body of those that are so lazy as to have no desire to learn to use their tools at the expense of the vast majority that have done so, you better belive that I am going to say "nay" to it, because it is superflouous and a bad thing. The desired functionality already exists in any good MUA; learn to use it. It is not that difficult. You might even find that it is better because you can do more with it. LMC> Perhaps if a more enduser-friendly perspective was employed by some of LMC> the "gurus" and a more participatory list-parent attitude (i.e. RTFM LMC> first) was considered by the questioners, this list would not only be LMC> more informative, but less caustic, not to mention less flammable. Perhaps if the end users would take the fifteen minutes to Read The Fine Manual and learn to drive before taking their vehicles out on the "information superhighway" then there would be no need to make distinctions between the "gurus" and the "cluless lusers", because there would be no cluless lusers. LMC> (FWIW, the default "reply" is to the original poster; is it so LMC> necessary to cc: *everything* back to the list?) Only when the cluless fail to use their clients properly or fail to edit their headers appropriately. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM01tdJ6VRH7BJMxHAQFHngQAyVrmXwG9tAJeaPqxiGFJyRJc/vq+xw1X Oejx4XD3T1hzJhn92CJvBy95sKBfJsTyQt2x+hp7yA5Nb4wlCfDQ7tYERKmM1c1F A7lGk4OuMqTUM5t3eAeQukpb9+VhA3fmC4yuxOS/An1Rtm2nC8PumcXcl+kZxAzz 84nkeyTR79w= =w+ug -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 18:37:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA13646 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx [132.248.250.79]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA13583 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA06854; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:33:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:33:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Antonio Benita To: Nathan Gross cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Nathan Gross wrote: > Please help an ignorant soul how do I fix this? > /usr2/tmp/majord-1.94.1/wrapper: error: Not running with proper UID and > GID. When you install majordomo, in the Makefile it ask you about the UID and GID of the user who will run majordomo. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Antonio Benita MD Unidad de Neuroinmunologia Instituto Nacional de Neurologia/Instituto de Investigaciones Biomedicas Fax: (525)-5-28-00-95 Tel: (525)-6-06-38-22 ext. 2004 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Departamento de Servicios de Computo Facultad de Medicina Tel: (525)-6-23-23-54 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 18:52:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA06517 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.hypersurf.com (mercury.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id RAA06407 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aerosmith.newvision.com (port26.hypersurf.com [206.40.40.122]) by mercury.hypersurf.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA24343 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aerosmith.newvision.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0508; Thu, 10 Apr 97 17:57:02 -0600 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: (MJ) Re: (MJ) Re: (MJ) tag prefix on each subject line :-))) References: <199704100046.UAA24317@tarpon.mitra.com> <199704100104.SAA14559@ayla.idyllmtn.com> <199704100122.VAA24423@tarpon.mitra.com> From: "Dewey M. Sasser" Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:56:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: Larry Williamson's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:22:42 -0400 Message-Id: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.33 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Larry" == Larry Williamson writes: Larry> I have seen negative comments from a few people (less than Larry> a dozen?). Are the silent majority for or against the Larry> idea? (Rhetorical question!! As I said, it really does not Larry> matter that much to me). Well, I don't like the idea, but my view was already well represented, so I didn't think I should increase traffic on the list. If it is implemented, I'll grumble a bit and implement a prefilter to remove it. Then, each time it changes (or someone's weird mailer invalidates an assumption in my filter) I'll grumble a bit more and hack on my filter some more. I'd rather not have to deal with it, but then again, I'd rather not have to deal with those @#$%^ "Re>", "Re[1]:", etc, but I prefilter those as well (turn them into "Re:"). Perhaps we should "CFV" this issue? -- Dewey M. Sasser voice: (617) 494-6000 dewey@newvision.com PGP Key from public servers PGP mail preferred. --- History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. -- Abba Eban From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 18:58:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA11314 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini.uninet.net.id (gemini.uninet.net.id [202.145.0.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA11267 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (muljawan@localhost) by gemini.uninet.net.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02881; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:16:55 +0700 (GMT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:16:54 +0700 (GMT) From: muljawan hendrianto X-Sender: muljawan@gemini To: Luca Sambucci cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Error 255 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19970410180441.1207d36c@popmail.iol.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Luca, I am a new user from Majordomo too, but when I the error messages, I think that you need to recompile your majordomo using a newer Perl Compiler (ver 5 at least). I hope this helps. regards, muljawan <---------------------------------------------------------------> Muljawan Hendrianto NOC, PT. UniNET Media Sakti, +62 21 5702074, +62 21 5704021(FAX) muljawan@uninet.net.id <---------------------------------------------------------------> On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Luca Sambucci wrote: > Can anybody please explain me the following error: > > --start-- > > The original message was received at Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:45:32 +0200 (MET DST) > from relay.pronet.it [194.183.5.2] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > eval of majordomo.cf failed Perl version $RCSfile: perl.c,v $$Revision: 1.2 > $$Date: 1993/12/22 17:08:26 $ > Patch level: 36 > too old > 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 255 > > ----- Original message follows ----- > > Return-Path: maurizi@pronet.it > Received: from ammi01.pronet.it (relay.pronet.it [194.183.5.2]) by > itaweb.com (8.8.5) id RAA28652; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:45:32 +0200 (MET DST) > X-Authentication-Warning: itaweb.com: Host relay.pronet.it [194.183.5.2] > claimed to be ammi01.pronet.it > Received: from relay.pronet.it (relay.pronet.it [194.183.5.2]) by > ammi01.pronet.it (NTMail 3.02.09) with ESMTP id aa113672 for > ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:44:56 +0200 > Received: from PN32.ppp35.pronet.it ([194.183.5.67]) by ammi01.pronet.it > (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) > Message-ID: <334D0B3D.283F@pronet.it> > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:46:05 +0200 > From: maurizi > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Majordomo@itaweb.com > Subject: SUBSCRIBE AN-INFO > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > X-Info: E-mail services powered by Pro.Net. srl > > > SUBSCRIBE AN-INFO > > > --end-- > > TIA. > > ciao, > Luca > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Luca Sambucci www.sambucci.com luca@sambucci.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > " There is no such problem > that cannot be solved )\._.,--....,'``. > by the appropriate application /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. > of high explosives. " `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 19:03:58 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA29208 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id RAA29094 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA01992; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:24:16 -0500 (CDT) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Skill Levels and User Needs References: <199704102229.PAA27107@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Apr 1997 19:24:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Kynn Bartlett's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "KB" == Kynn Bartlett writes: KB> You could probably make two concurrent lists -- e.g., listname and KB> listname-gurus :) [in addition to listname-digest] and configure them KB> with different reply-to, subject line, etc options set. I can see it now. Extending the Majordomo][ subscriber class concept to encompass complete personalization of the messages you receive. Yes, it's doable. No, I don't want to even think about doing it. I had the idea for personalized digest parameters but I threw it out and went with multiple sizes of digest, plus MIME or traditional format. All this does is put more load on the poor server. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 10 21:38:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA12975 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.macn.bc.ca (homer.macn.bc.ca [207.194.217.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id VAA12884 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (admin@localhost) by homer.macn.bc.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06901 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:11:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:11:49 -0500 (CDT) From: MACN admin To: majordomo-users Subject: mail looping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk is there a way that when you loose your inet connetion to stop all mail to a list or list from looping? we lost our connection for part of the nite and today i had about 1500 copies of one message. other users got a few looped messages but near as many. thanks for the input. *-------------------------------------------------------------------* | Mt. Arrowsmith Community Network | | admin@macn.bc.ca http://www.macn.bc.ca | | Providing low cost access to the Internet for the general public. | *-------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 02:52:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA20430 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moss.verinet.com (moss.verinet.com [204.144.246.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id CAA20395 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bamboo.verinet.com (bamboo.verinet.com [204.144.246.3]) by moss.verinet.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA09989 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:39:34 -0600 Received: from none (port26.verinet.com [204.144.246.75]) by bamboo.verinet.com (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA20055 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:40:36 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970411034304.006c3320@verinet.com> X-Sender: sandij@verinet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:43:04 -0600 To: majordomo-users@Greatcircle.com From: Sandi-J Subject: mkdigest error Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I looked through the archives and couldn't find anything that referred to my specific problem. When I send the mkdigest command, the digest is processed, but not sent out. Here is the message I get: >>>>> mkdigest herkules-digest ******** >producing HerKules V97 #11 > processing /usr/local/majordomo/Digests/herkules-digest/001 > processing /usr/local/majordomo/Digests/herkules-digest/002 >herkules-digest-outgoing... User unknown >listmaster-herkules-digest... User unknown >/no/such/directory/dead.letter... cannot open: No such file or directory > What do I need to do to fix this? Thanks for the help. Sandi From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 04:22:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA01135 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itw.com (rsk.itw.com [206.138.122.70]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id EAA01113 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rsk@localhost) by itw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08331 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Kulawiec Message-Id: <199704111119.HAA08331@itw.com> Subject: Re: Skill Levels and User Needs To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:19:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Apr 10, 1997 06:45:10 PM Reply-To: rsk@itw.com Organization: Fire on the Mountain X-Last-River: Farmington, CT X-Home_Page: http://www.itw.com/~rsk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I agree entirely with Rich Pieri, and am firmly against this "tagging"; I just wanted to make two more points. First, like Rich, I have no compunction about "leaving them behind" because they never were "there" in the first place. People who get themselves onto the 'net for the first time, sign up for everything in sight, and then complain about the volume of traffic seem to me very much like the person who shows up for the Indy 500 with a 1984 Ford Escort...their choice of tools and their skill level are entirely inadequate for the task at hand, and nothing can or should be done about it. While I not opposed to occasionally educating people about the 'net (I've been doing it for nearly two decades), I certainly feel no obligation to assist anyone too lazy to assist themselves, or anyone whose expectations are so unrealistic that they cannot be met. Second, I'd like to point out that tagging is a vastly inferior method of supporting filtering anyway. Example: there are two border collie discussion lists. Which one should be tagged "BC"? There's also a British Columbia mailing list. And at one time, there was a Bachelor Companion mailing list. Now who gets "BC"? And what happens if the list-owners don't agree? *That* is why filtering based on the headers, in particular the "From" and "To" lines, is a far better solution, and why it's supported by all decent mail clients. ---Rsk From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 05:52:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA04439 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slate.telesciences.com (slate-e5.telesciences.com [204.5.170.6]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id FAA04430 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anthracite.telesciences.com by slate.telesciences.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0wFfgQ-00080fC; Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:44 EDT Received: by anthracite.telesciences.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #13) id m0wFfgP-00000EC; Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:44 EDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:44 EDT From: wschaffe@telesciences.com (William E. Schaffer) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Skill Levels and User Needs Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ------------------------------------ LC = linda.cunningham@his.com RSK = rsk@itw.com RP = rich.pieri@prescienttech.com ------------------------------------ My personal opinion...I don't want tagging. My business opinion...I have to bite my tongue sometimes. LC> From reading the postings here in the past few weeks, it's clear that LC> the posters (and, I'm sure, lurkers) to this list embrace a wide range LC> of expertise ...but not points of view. Most of what I've seen on this thread has been very "ME"-centric. RSK> People who get themselves onto the 'net for the first time, sign up for RSK> everything in sight, and then complain about the volume of traffic seem RSK> to me very much like the person who shows up for the Indy 500 with a RSK> 1984 Ford Escort...their choice of tools and their skill level are RSK> entirely inadequate for the task at hand, and nothing can or should be RSK> done about it. Unfortunately, these are the same people who have their wallets open and are paying for a service. If you don't give these customers some consideration, they will take their business elsewhere. They are not interested in learning anything, it should just work. I do some charity work for a small ISP, and I've been asked to support stupid stuff, and they have lost customers because we didn't. I'm sure you wouldn't keep frequenting a business if they were inconsiderate of your concerns. RP> Well, the big problem here is not so much the inability (or lack of desire) RP> to learn to use their tools, but the tools themselves. The mail clients RP> incorporated into Netscape and MSIE are slapdash affairs, poorly conceived RP> and badly executed. I pity anyone who uses them out of choice or ignorance RP> because there are *MUCH* better and easier to use mail clients available. RP> At the very least they should look at Eudora Light, and you would do well RP> to suggest it to them. I agree about the tools. And people *should* always strive to better themselves and learn new things. But, they don't. This is a fact I have to deal with. Do I babysit them, or do I work around this? RP> When a "feature" that helps a small body of those that are so lazy as to RP> have no desire to learn to use their tools at the expense of the vast RP> majority that have done so... Did you count them? In this age of 'gotta be on the net' being popular culture, I think you have your numbers backwards. It's everywhere, on TV, in the papers, casual conversation. They expect it to just work, like turning on the TV...you don't have to think about it. And it is going to get worse. Just ignoring them won't do, because they will go elsewhere and still bog down the available bandwidth. My question is this: If Majordomo is so 'configurable' couldn't tagging be made optional? That way *IF* the majority of a list's members want this feature, it could be turned on. And for the rest of us, we can leave it alone and not argue about it? -Bill Schaffer wschaffe@telesciences.com These opinions expressed are my own, and not my employers. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 06:52:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA07149 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.queernet.org [140.174.78.69]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id GAA07119 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rogerk@localhost) by queernet.queernet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA27800 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:40:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" To: "William E. Schaffer" cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Skill Levels and User Needs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, William E. Schaffer wrote: > My question is this: If Majordomo is so 'configurable' couldn't tagging > be made optional? That way *IF* the majority of a list's members want this > feature, it could be turned on. And for the rest of us, we can leave it > alone and not argue about it? you're on the verge of the "are lists and servers democracies" discussion (and I vote "no"), as well as the "do you give the users exactly what they want" discussion (and I vote "no, you teach them how to use the tools that do the job properly"). But on the subject of "tagging" -- which is really called prefixing: what's your point? Majordomo *does* support it. We're discussing whether or not to use it on *this* list. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 07:07:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA08799 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slate.telesciences.com (slate-e5.telesciences.com [204.5.170.6]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA08783 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anthracite.telesciences.com by slate.telesciences.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0wFgvD-0007znC; Fri, 11 Apr 97 10:03 EDT Received: by anthracite.telesciences.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #13) id m0wFgvC-00000EC; Fri, 11 Apr 97 10:03 EDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 10:03 EDT From: wschaffe@telesciences.com (William E. Schaffer) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Skill Levels and User Needs In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Roger B.A. Klorese" ' dated: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > But on the subject of "tagging" -- which is really > called prefixing: what's your point? Majordomo *does* support it. We're > discussing whether or not to use it on *this* list. Ah. Now this makes things a little more clear. I apparantly came in the middle of the discussion then. My humble apologies. -Bill Schaffer wschaffe@telesciences.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 07:26:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA09222 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA09205 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA17354 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:07:08 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA18250; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:07:08 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: mail looping References: Date: 11 Apr 1997 10:07:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: MACN admin's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:11:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 36 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "Ma" == MACN admin writes: Ma> is there a way that when you loose your inet connetion to stop all mail Ma> to a list or list from looping? we lost our connection for part of the Ma> nite and today i had about 1500 copies of one message. If the network connection goes down you cannot have a loop, because there is nothing "out there" to reflect messages back to the list. This sounds more like your MTA (mail transfer agent, like sendmail) is improperly configured, or perhaps just buggy. Start with queue settings; it might be that your MTA is accidentally creating new copies of queued messages every time it processes the queue. Admittedly, it could be something completely apart from the MTA. But without knowing anything about your host, MTA, Majordomo version, and the configuration of all of these any guess is completely wild. Sorry. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM05Fi56VRH7BJMxHAQHR9AP/duM3dr0h3tt8cBGfsANz90rbNfrdZrQa ltezDFcFBCXFC2+Fy/oirQmOox+TyWWv4rlF0yzL7ZBkmFQXxQpqVRphu/MstQSH FLvhKnFy6S/AgJ06qfbzr7R7ptkUDlObl/h/5wSVtcz0S8uULNNhQAIya2OHKA+q hDvMPbIr/TM= =rqOT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 07:27:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA08593 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA08585 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA17237 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:59:47 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA17878; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:59:47 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Skill Levels and User Needs References: Date: 11 Apr 1997 09:59:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: wschaffe@telesciences.com's message of Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:44 EDT Message-ID: Lines: 57 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "WES" == William E Schaffer writes: WES> Unfortunately, these are the same people who have their wallets open WES> and are paying for a service. If you don't give these customers some WES> consideration, they will take their business elsewhere. They are not WES> interested in learning anything, it should just work. This is exactly my point. They do not want to learn. This is a problem, true, but it is one that those of us that have taken the time and effort to learn should not be punnished for. Computers are tools; mail readers are tools. As with any tool there are two requirements to using them effectively: learning to use the tools properly and using the most appropriate tool for a given purpose. When you know how to properly use a tool and what that tool's capabilities are you will be able to decide whether or not it is appropriate for what you want to do. As long as the "cluless lusers" try to pound nails with screwdrivers they are not going to get anywhere. Tell them about a tool called "a hammer". Tell them it is better for pounding nails than a screwdiver, and why. Tell them where to get this thing called a hammer, or just give them one. Give them the instructions for using this mystical hammer thing, and after they bend a few nails show them how to hit those nails just right so they are driven home perfectly every time. You gain a satisfied customer; the customer learns something new, and he gains confidence in himself, enough to learn for himself that the claw on the back end can be used to prize out a bent nail when he hits one badly. Suddenly there is one less "clueless luser" in the world, and the gap between the "gurus" and the "newbies" shrinks a little bit more. Everybody wins. But whatever you do, do not give them bigger screwdrivers. That is just a short-term solution to a much larger problem. When the "clueless lusers" hit the next stumbling block they insist on an even bigger screwdriver because it is the only tool they know how to use. They get frustrated because the tools they are using do not work right, you get frustrated because they take it out on you, and "we gurus" get frustrated because the solutions you are forced to implement screw us up. The gap between "gurus" and "clueless lusers" widens. Everybody loses. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM05D0J6VRH7BJMxHAQHWmAP/YYgR2AijSgk/KLrCDGFggaW8YhjchPi+ RaIXf02DzsTI5+k+D9yR6Wbi6JjupSM9fNmlxd3Gn95ad0yLQC6+T84JhO7Ldi8y H20Efa00mMzh2kztI9wVSKV2m6YE3n9kqAmK0LCmD6s/3I8ifg7L8TnHS4MVflVD k4RUCNBL0B8= =W3Bg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 08:07:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA13072 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA13042 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA05046 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 97 07:50:41 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA24645 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 97 07:50:37 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA01639; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:50:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA13490; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:50:37 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704111450.JAA13490@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: DIGEST To: cobyr@pobox.com (Coby P. Randquist) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:50:36 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970410150417.006b04e0@absi.com> from "Coby P. Randquist" at Apr 10, 97 03:04:18 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Coby P. Randquist writes: ] > > When I execute the digest program with the following alias: > > limbo-digestify: > "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l limbo-digest > limbo-digest-list" > > The message I get is > > Undefined subroutine &main::set_lock called at /usr/local/majordomo/digest > line 29. > > I'm running on BSD/OS 2.0 with Perl 5.0 Perl 5.0xx what? You should have *at least* 5.002 (try 'perl -v'). And what version of Mj? I don't remember for sure but this sounds like a 1.94 problem. Upgrade to 1.94.1. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 08:52:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA21365 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dino.fdt.net (dino.fdt.net [205.229.48.22]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA21279 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from fubar@localhost) by dino.fdt.net id LAA30384; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:44:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Fu Bar To: Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: Possible DOS attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The other day I found the load average on one of our systems climbing and noticed an apparent mail loop. It turned out, somone had sent an email to majordomo at that system using majordomo as the from address. Because the system in question has multiple possible hostnames, the simple check if (&addr_match($reply_to, $whoami)) { print STDERR "$whoami punting to avoid mail loop.\n"; exit 0; } around line 110 of majordomo was insufficient to catch this loop. The first solution I thought of was to create an @other_whoamis array in majordomo.cf listing other possible names for the system...but then I realized that since this system has dozens of virtual interfaces, listing them all (and updating them) would be impractical. What I settled on was not allowing a from address containing majordomo@. Instead of that first check listed above, I added: if (&addr_match($reply_to, 'majordomo@', 1)) { $old_reply_to = $reply_to; $reply_to = $whoami_owner; } Then, under select((select(REPLY), $| = 1)[0]); I added this if (defined($old_reply_to)) { print REPLY "Illegal from address\n"; print REPLY $hdrs; } so that if someone tries this again, it won't work, and it will email the header from their message to me. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lewis | Unsolicited commercial e-mail will Network Administrator | be proof-read for $199/hr. ________Finger jlewis@inorganic5.fdt.net for PGP public key_______ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 09:08:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA24956 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balltown.cma.com (balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA24928 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper (welty@skipper.balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.19]) by balltown.cma.com (8.7.1/CMA02) with SMTP id MAA02490; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <334E6021.2781E494@balltown.cma.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:00:33 -0400 From: richard welty Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fu Bar CC: Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: Re: Possible DOS attack References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk *The other day I found the load average on one of our systems climbing and *noticed an apparent mail loop. It turned out, somone had sent an email *to majordomo at that system using majordomo as the from address. Because *the system in question has multiple possible hostnames, the simple check i've seen this before; it wasn't a DOS attack, but just a bug (albeit a nasty one.) i made a similar patch to majordomo to resolve the matter. richard From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 09:24:48 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA26656 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA26634 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA12606 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:08:12 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA28091 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:08:11 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA02769; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:08:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id LAA19544; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:08:11 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704111608.LAA19544@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: your mail To: ngross@wpsmp.acsc.net (Nathan Gross) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:08:10 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Nathan Gross" at Apr 10, 97 05:41:39 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Nathan Gross writes: ] > > Please help an ignorant soul how do I fix this? > /usr2/tmp/majord-1.94.1/wrapper: error: Not running with proper UID and > GID. It means that you didn't install wrapper correctly. The 'make install-wrapper' must be done as the superuser (root). wrapper must be owned by root and setuid (on POSIX systems, see the docs for non-POSIX systems). -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 09:40:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA00137 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.queernet.org [140.174.78.69]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA29958 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rogerk@localhost) by queernet.queernet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11160 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:30:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" To: richard welty cc: Fu Bar , Majordomo Users mailing list Subject: Re: Possible DOS attack In-Reply-To: <334E6021.2781E494@balltown.cma.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Have you tried running an up-to-date version, which icludes the majordomo_dont_reply majordomo.cf variable? On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, richard welty wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:00:33 -0400 > From: richard welty > To: Fu Bar > Cc: Majordomo Users mailing list > Subject: Re: Possible DOS attack > > *The other day I found the load average on one of our systems climbing > and > *noticed an apparent mail loop. It turned out, somone had sent an email > *to majordomo at that system using majordomo as the from address. > Because > *the system in question has multiple possible hostnames, the simple > check > > i've seen this before; it wasn't a DOS attack, but just a bug (albeit a > nasty one.) i made a similar patch to majordomo to resolve the matter. > > richard > ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 09:52:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA00136 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA29970 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA14729 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:31:40 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA29027 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:31:39 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA03353; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id LAA18074; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:31:38 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704111631.LAA18074@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Possible DOS attack To: fubar@dino.fdt.net (Fu Bar) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Fu Bar" at Apr 11, 97 11:44:02 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Fu Bar writes: ] > > The other day I found the load average on one of our systems climbing and > noticed an apparent mail loop. It turned out, somone had sent an email > to majordomo at that system using majordomo as the from address. Because > the system in question has multiple possible hostnames, the simple check > > if (&addr_match($reply_to, $whoami)) { > > around line 110 of majordomo was insufficient to catch this loop. [...] > What I settled on was not allowing a from address containing majordomo@. What version are you running? That line is nearer 125-127 back to 1.93. $majordomo_dont_reply will catch this in 1.94.1. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 09:57:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA00478 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA27579 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA13220 for majordomo-users@Greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:14:07 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA28354 for majordomo-users@Greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:14:06 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA27434; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:14:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id LAA19608; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:14:04 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704111614.LAA19608@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: mkdigest error To: sandij@verinet.com (Sandi-J) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:14:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@Greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970411034304.006c3320@verinet.com> from "Sandi-J" at Apr 11, 97 03:43:04 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Sandi-J writes: ] > > I looked through the archives and couldn't find anything that referred to > my specific problem. When I send the mkdigest command, the digest is > processed, but not sent out. Here is the message I get: You didn't look very hard because this seems to come up about every week or two. > >>>>> mkdigest herkules-digest ******** > >producing HerKules V97 #11 > > processing /usr/local/majordomo/Digests/herkules-digest/001 > > processing /usr/local/majordomo/Digests/herkules-digest/002 > >herkules-digest-outgoing... User unknown > >listmaster-herkules-digest... User unknown Did you define these aliases? Did you rebuild the alias database after editing the text alias file? Do you have some sort of mail hub setup on your network such that the aliases are known only to your Mj server and not to the mail hub? > >/no/such/directory/dead.letter... cannot open: No such file or directory This looks like something is not configured in your MTA. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 10:04:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA26146 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA25953 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA12299 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:04:58 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA28004 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:04:57 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA02720; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:04:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id LAA19488; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:04:56 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704111604.LAA19488@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Skill Levels and User Needs To: linda.cunningham@his.com (Linda M. Cunningham) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:04:56 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Linda M. Cunningham" at Apr 10, 97 06:09:31 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Though I'm reluctant to get drawn into such discussions, I'd like to clarify some technical points... [ Linda M. Cunningham writes: ] > > Having something inserted in either the header and/or at the top of > messages to the list or digest is not only requested, but, believe > it or not, a priority for many zubscribers, many of whom can barely > stumble through logging on and retrieving email with Netscrape or > MSIE. That it is beyond their current learning curve to study up on > what or how to filter list messages from other incoming email should > not preclude them from participating in the public discussion at hand. But the lack of subject prefixes *doesn't* preclude them from participating. Even those that want it view it as a feature that makes it *easier* to participate, not make it *possible*. As others have repeatedly pointed out, it's the wrong solution to the problem and does little more than create problems of its own. > IMO, what some people on this list need to realize is that, personal > preferences aside, simply because either (a) they don't have a need > for this option or (b) they feel it superfluous, doesn't make it "a > bad thing." And it's MO that anyone who thinks this is the basis of the discussion hasn't been paying attention or just flat doesn't understand the issues. Subject prefixes are "A Bad Thing (tm)" in their own right. As has been repeatedly pointed out, many mail clients don't handle them reasonably when generating replies and thus make it impossible for others to detect and handle them reasonably, further exacerbating the problem. It's not that those speaking out against prefixes don't have a need or feel they're superfluous, they are offering better solutions that actually address the problem without creating collateral problems. > Perhaps if a more enduser-friendly perspective was employed by some of > the "gurus" [...] this list would not only be more informative, but > less caustic, not to mention less flammable. [ In for a penny... OK, this isn't technical, but I can't let this go unchallenged. ] I hadn't noticed the list being all that caustic or uninformative, but we all have different levels of sensitivity. How end-user-friendly is it to allow policies that create problems for end-users, guru and neophyte alike? Indeed, I view it as the responsibility of those with the greater perspective to speak out against ill-conceived ideas as much as to help those seeking guidance. > (FWIW, the default "reply" is to the original poster; is it so > necessary to cc: *everything* back to the list?) Then what is the purpose of a list, if not to communicate? What does the list membership gain from a list to which only questions are posted and the answers are hidden in private replies? I've seen this view posited several times recently and it always baffles me. Although there are occasionally nearly identical answers posted to questions, more often than not the different interpretations of the problem and different solutions to the perceived problem serve to enlighten even those that risked an answer. I personally find the repeated questions that should never have been posted far more burdensome than the answers and discussions of thoughtful questions. If the replies to the list are so onerous, why do you subscribe? -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 10:07:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA04288 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.2.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA04265 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jjah@localhost) by cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA04348 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: basic entry level questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 10 Apr 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Date: 10 Apr 1997 14:30:40 -0500 > From: Jason L Tibbitts III > To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: basic entry level questions > > >>>>> "RP" == Rich Pieri writes: > > RP> The downside is that when sendmail converts the aliases file into > RP> database format (newaliases) the aliases in the included files are not > RP> incorporated into the database. > > This doesn't happen for me. Each aliases file gets its own database. > > - J< Same here. Joe _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 10:13:04 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA00139 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from java.aboard.co.uk (java.aboard.co.uk [194.73.51.130]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA29930; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nick@localhost) by java.aboard.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA13960; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:30:58 +0100 Message-ID: <19970411173058.07633@amulation.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:30:58 +0100 From: Nick Perry To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Patch to make digest_rm_f(ron|oo)ter work Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=BG19wkRsydHxbJB6 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1e Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk --BG19wkRsydHxbJB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I mentioned this way back in November, but appeared to never have posted the result - prompted by a list subscriber, I've digged it out again.... Here is a patch for digest that implements the features hinted at in the digest_rm_fronter and digest_rm_footer config items. Basically it removes message_fronter and message_footer items from each message that comprises the digest. The code is deeply ugly, but then so it the rest of digest! It was written for 1.94, but I've just made it work for 1.94.1 too. It removes the fronters/footers when it makes the digest, not as it goes along, so if you change your fronters/footers at any time, only the most recent messages that comprise the digest will be stripped correctly. Purists may want to patch config_parse.pl too - to remove the "this function is not operative" text from the desriptions of digest_rm_fronter and digest_rm_footer. NB: This is crud-ware, if it works for you it's a bonus, if it doesn't work - let me know, but don't complain that I've screwed up your version of majordomo! Nick -- Nick Perry | Home / Recreation | Work - AboarD Boats & Yachts ____________ | LONDON SW1, UK | LONDON SW10 0TB UK Internet, | http://www.amulation.co.uk | http://www.aboard.co.uk Musicals, | nick@amulation.co.uk | np@aboard.co.uk Theatre, ----------------------------------------------------------- Coffee, Tea, Multimedia, Macs, Photography, Print Publishing, etc, etc.. --BG19wkRsydHxbJB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="digest.diff" --- digest.orig Thu Dec 5 19:00:55 1996 +++ digest Fri Apr 11 17:09:54 1997 @@ -198,9 +198,17 @@ close(message); # escape ^From ... + if ($RMHEADER) { + $body =~ s/$RMHEADER/\n/; + } + if ($RMTRAILER) { + $body =~ s/$RMTRAILER/\n/; + } + $body =~ s/^From (\S+\s+\w{3}\s+\w{3}\s+\d+\s+\d+:\d+:\d+)/>From $1/g; $body =~ s/^-/- -/g; # escape encapsulation boundaries in message + # trim trailing \n's $len = length($body) - 1; $len-- while (substr($body,$len,1) eq "\n"); @@ -347,6 +355,28 @@ # get the digest config file &get_config($listdir, $opt_l); + + # get details of parent list footers and headers + if ($config_opts{$opt_l,"digest_rm_fronter"}) { + &get_config($listdir, $config_opts{$opt_l,"digest_rm_fronter"}); + $RMHEADER = $config_opts{$config_opts{$opt_l,"digest_rm_fronter"}, + "message_fronter"}; + $RMHEADER =~ s/([^A-Za-z0-9 \001])/\\\1/g; + $RMHEADER =~ s/\\\$(SENDER|VERSION|LIST)/\[\^\\n\]\*/g; + $RMHEADER =~ s/\001/\\n/g; + } + if ($config_opts{$opt_l,"digest_rm_footer"}) { + if ($config_opts{$opt_l,"digest_rm_footer"} ne + $config_opts{$opt_l,"digest_rm_fronter"}) { + &get_config($listdir, $config_opts{$opt_l,"digest_rm_footer"}); + } + $RMTRAILER = $config_opts{$config_opts{$opt_l,"digest_rm_footer"}, + "message_footer"}; + $RMTRAILER =~ s/([^A-Za-z0-9 \001])/\\\1/g; + $RMTRAILER =~ s/\\\$(SENDER|VERSION|LIST)/\[\^\\n\]\*/g; + $RMTRAILER =~ s/\001/\\n/g; + } + # map config opts to internal variables and $V array $HEADER = $config_opts{$opt_l,"message_fronter"}; --BG19wkRsydHxbJB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="config_parse.pl.diff" --- config_parse.pl.orig Thu Apr 10 14:24:36 1997 +++ config_parse.pl Fri Apr 11 17:12:48 1997 @@ -374,12 +374,10 @@ 'digest_rm_footer', "The value is the name of the list that applies the header and footers to the messages that are received by digest. This allows the list supplied headers and footers to be -stripped before the messages are included in the digest. This keyword -is currently non operative.", +stripped before the messages are included in the digest.", 'digest_rm_fronter', -'Works just like digest_rm_footer, except it removes the front material. -Just like digest_rm_footer, it is also non-operative.', +'Works just like digest_rm_footer, except it removes the front material.', 'digest_maxlines', "automatically generate a new digest when the size of the digest exceeds --BG19wkRsydHxbJB6-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 11:22:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA14165 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imssc1.sc.intel.com (imssc1.sc.intel.com [143.183.152.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA14090 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gomez.sc.intel.com by imssc1.sc.intel.com (8.8.4/10.0i); Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:06:55 GMT Received: by gomez.sc.intel.com id AA21298 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM); Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:06:54 -0700 From: Minh Nguyen ~ Message-Id: <199704111806.AA21298@gomez.sc.intel.com> Subject: Problem with From: header To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all, I am using MD 1.94.1 and sendmail 8.8.5 on Solaris 2.5.1_x86. I'm managing several mailing lists on this machine. When any of my users sends a piece of mail to any of these lists, it appears to be sent from the list owner instead of the actual sender. I switched to the original version of sendmail that comes with the OS and this problem went away. Has any one had this problem with sendmail 8.8.5 before? Is there any incompatibility issue between Majordomo and sendmail 8 that anyone is aware of? I will greatly appreciate any help that you can give me. Many thanks in advance. -Minh Nguyen Intel, Santa Clara, CA From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 13:22:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA28880 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nsa.ecosoft.com (nsa.ecosoft.com [198.115.183.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA28756 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nsa.ecosoft.com (twells@nsa.ecosoft.com [198.115.183.4]) by nsa.ecosoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03697 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tabor J. Wells" Reply-To: "Tabor J. Wells" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Sporadic 550 & 554 errors during heavy loads? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk All, I have had two list owners report this problem, each of which corresponds to an extremely heavy load on the machine running majordomo. I strongly suspect that's what caused the messages to bounce, yet I'm curious as to what each error is referring to, since under normal circumstances the lists work just fine. System is Solaris 2.5.1, Perl 5.003, Majordomo 1.94.1 (with a few of the patches destined for 1.94.2). We aren't currently experiencing the problem since we tuned the system to reduce the load (and wrote a procmail filter around majordomo for the damned Avalanche mail bombers). Anyway, TIA for any info. Tabor Error message follows: From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: owner-a-parents-china@shore.net Subject: Returned mail: a-parents-china-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken The original message was received at Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:50:03 -0500 (EST) from major@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- a-parents-china-outgoing :include:/usr/local/mail/lists/a-parents-china (expanded from: a-parents-china-outgoing) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 :include:/usr/local/mail/lists/a-parents-china... Cannot open /usr/local/mail/lists/a-parents-china: Operation not permitted Message delivered to mailing list a-parents-china-outgoing 554 a-parents-china-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken Message delivered to mailing list a-parents-china-owner ----- Message header follows ----- Return-Path: Received: (from major@localhost) by aquarium.shore.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA19516 for a-parents-china-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:50:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: aquarium.shore.net: major set sender to owner-a-parents-china@shore.net using -f Message-Id: <199703251254.GAA05610@orion.means.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill McLean" To: a-parents-china@shore.net Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:49:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: APC Being unsubscribed CC: post-adopt-china@shore.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-a-parents-china@shore.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Bill McLean" ----- Message body suppressed ----- -- ________________________________________________________________________ Tabor J. Wells twells@shore.net Systems Administrator Just another victim of the ambient morality From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 13:54:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA04136 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA04083 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA24318 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:41:33 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA30106; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:41:33 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Sporadic 550 & 554 errors during heavy loads? References: Date: 11 Apr 1997 16:41:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Tabor J. Wells"'s message of Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "TJW" == Tabor J Wells writes: TJW> I have had two list owners report this problem, each of which TJW> corresponds to an extremely heavy load on the machine running TJW> majordomo. I strongly suspect that's what caused the messages to TJW> bounce, yet I'm curious as to what each error is referring to, since TJW> under normal circumstances the lists work just fine. What you may want to do is turn on your MTA's load checking and have it enter queue-only mode if the load goes above a given threshold. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM06h+56VRH7BJMxHAQEt+AQAmSA1Z66btvToXaxgMGJLMZQhYB5rUCDc Nr7uhjf+EVC7iggKQ+BMo9yhfYRbXYrsAO3GiU69uIutHcE1ARIJae3QkyLUzRO3 78tBH9x9KC+Uhf2C00IK+O3zi4gFgvkHjcW5yGyJR3PaaFl/an3wULC5vBJicu1S 2YsZBQEIaZo= =nPuj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Warning: pregnant women, the Prescient Technologies, Inc. | elderly, and children under 10 A Stone & Webster Company | should avoid prolonged exposure to I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | Happy Fun Ball. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 14:13:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA06419 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA06391; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA09175 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 97 13:56:01 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA09417 for majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 97 13:55:52 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA06228; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:55:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id PAA14412; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:55:52 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199704112055.PAA14412@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Sporadic 550 & 554 errors during heavy loads? To: twells@shore.net Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:55:51 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com (Majordomo developer's mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "Tabor J. Wells" at Apr 11, 97 04:08:30 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Copied to Mj-workers due to the possible bug ] [ Tabor J. Wells writes: ] > > I have had two list owners report this problem, each of which corresponds > to an extremely heavy load on the machine running majordomo. [...] > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 550 :include:/usr/local/mail/lists/a-parents-china... Cannot open > /usr/local/mail/lists/a-parents-china: Operation not permitted I'd say this is caused by the way Mj shuffles the list file during an unsubscribe. The file locking only prevents other Mj processes from interfering, but does nothing to prevent sendmail from accessing the list file. For example, consider what an unsubscribe does, in part: 1) listfile is edited into listfile.new 2) listfile is linked to listfile.old 3) listfile is unlinked 4) listfile.new is linked to listfile 5) listfile.old is unlinked 6) listfile.new is unlinked On a busy system, it's quite conceivable that this sequence is interrupted for a significant period of time between steps 3 and 4. During that time sendmail tries to access listfile and fails because the file isn't there at that point. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I'll submit a patch to combine steps 3 and 4 into "rename listfile.new to listfile", which should be an atomic operation. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 16:52:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA27446 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siu.cen.buap.mx (siu.buap.mx [148.228.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id QAA27408 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labpar1.cs.buap.mx ([148.228.20.4]) by siu.cen.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26134; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:46:39 GMT Received: from localhost by labpar1.cs.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04138; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:32:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:32:17 -0600 (CST) From: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Invalid address. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, Few days ago, I posted a question about Majordomo allowing addresses like @foo.bar.com , is it a bug?. Do I have to repost this problem to majordomo-workers?. Thanks a lot in advance for your answer. Bye. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez. Fac. de Ciencias de la Computacion. B.U.A.P. e-mail: rodolfo@siu.cen.buap.mx al103@solarium.cs.buap.mx rgg@labpar1.cs.buap.mx oxygene@geocities.com WWW: http://labpar1.cs.buap.mx/~rgg/ (IP: 148.228.20.4) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/9915/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 18:11:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA07234 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA07157 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA00509; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:05:17 -0500 (CDT) To: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Invalid address. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Apr 1997 20:05:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez's message of Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:32:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RGG" == Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez writes: RGG> Few days ago, I posted a question about Majordomo allowing addresses RGG> like @foo.bar.com , is it a bug?. You still didn't tell us what version of Majordomo. My mail to you is being delayed or bounced intermittently, so perhaps you didn't receive the responses. I don't believe that the current version will allow such addresses, though I could be wrong. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 18:20:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA03813 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.macn.bc.ca (homer.macn.bc.ca [207.194.217.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id RAA03800 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (admin@localhost) by homer.macn.bc.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA01310 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:38:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:38:33 -0500 (CDT) From: MACN admin To: majordomo-users Subject: mail looping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk is there a way that when you loose your inet connetion to stop all mail to a list or list from looping? we lost our connection for part of the nite and today i had about 1500 copies of one message. other users got a few looped messages but near as many. thanks for the input. *-------------------------------------------------------------------* | Mt. Arrowsmith Community Network | | admin@macn.bc.ca http://www.macn.bc.ca | | Providing low cost access to the Internet for the general public. | *-------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 18:53:58 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA09820 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id SAA09810 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA22538 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snark.wizard.com (snark.wizard.com [199.171.28.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id QAA22308 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcy Kulic To: "Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica" cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo 1.94.1 and unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <199704071518.MAA18739@unix1.ism.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Try setting unsubscribe_policy to open instead of closed in the list config file. Marcy On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica wrote: > Hi: > > I've upgraded from 1.93 to 1.94.1 . I have several closed lists. The > question is > that before the upgrade, any 'unsubscribe' sent to majordomo was automatic. Now, > majordomo asks me to approve the action. In my situation I only want to control > the subscriptions... Anything that I can do about it ? > > Thanks a lot !! > > Regards, > Helio. > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 18:57:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA09883 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id SAA09873 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA08302 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id SAA23280 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16955; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:32:26 -0500 (CDT) To: compland@ism.com.br (Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo 1.94.1 and unsubscribing References: <199704071518.MAA18739@unix1.ism.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Apr 1997 20:32:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: compland@ism.com.br's message of Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:18:08 -0300 Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "HC" == Helio Coelho writes: HC> The question is that before the upgrade, any 'unsubscribe' sent to HC> majordomo was automatic. Now, majordomo asks me to approve the HC> action. In my situation I only want to control the HC> subscriptions... What do you have unsubscribe_policy set to? If you set it to closed, you will be asked to approve all unsubscriptions. If you're using a list.private file, you should delete it and use the config variables. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 19:04:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA09899 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) id SAA09886 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx [132.248.250.79]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id SAA08915 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA19767 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:40:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:40:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Antonio Benita To: Majordomo Users Subject: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/REPORT; REPORT-TYPE=delivery-status; BOUNDARY="TAB19522.860459796/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx" Content-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --TAB19522.860459796/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: I keep getting an error like this: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:36 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: owner-test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Subject: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken The original message was received at Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:35 -0500 from majordomo.daemon@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- test-outgoing :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l...majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/archive/test/test.archive" (expanded from: test-outgoing) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l...majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/archive/test/test.archive"... Cannot open /usr/test/majordomo-1.94..1/lists/test|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing: No such file or directory Message delivered to mailing list test-outgoing 554 test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken My aliases file looks like: test: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper resend -l test -h medinfo.fmedic.una$test-digest: test test-outgoing: :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test "|/usr/test/majo$archive" test-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test-digest owner-test: abenita owner-test-outgoing: owner-test owner-test-digest: owner-test owner-test-digest-outgoing: owner-test test-request: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper request-answer test" test-digest-request: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper request-answer test-d$test-approval: abenita test-digest-approval: test-approval What am I doing wrong???? Thanks AB --TAB19522.860459796/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Content-Type: MESSAGE/DELIVERY-STATUS Content-ID: Content-Description: Reporting-MTA: dns; medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Arrival-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:35 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; test-outgoing@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:36 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; test-outgoing@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Action: failed Status: 5.2.4 Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:36 -0500 --TAB19522.860459796/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Content-Type: TEXT/RFC822-HEADERS; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo.daemon@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA19522 for test-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx: majordomo.daemon set sender to owner-test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx using -f Received: (from abenita@localhost) by medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA19518 for test; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:36:31 -0500 From: Antonio Benita Message-Id: <199704080036.TAA19518@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx> To: test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Sender: owner-test@medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx Precedence: bulk --TAB19522.860459796/medinfo.fmedic.unam.mx-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 20:09:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA12582 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id UAA12573 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA03160; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:59:49 -0500 (CDT) To: Antonio Benita Cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Returned mail: test-outgoing... aliasing/forwarding loop broken (fwd) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Apr 1997 21:59:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: Antonio Benita's message of Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:40:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "AB" == Antonio Benita writes: AB> test-outgoing: :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/test AB> "|/usr/test/majo$archive" It looks to me like you at least left out a comma to separate the two destinations (i.e. you need one at the end of the first line), and that something else has been mangled, probably when you sent this message. What is "majo$archive"? - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Apr 11 21:22:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA17461 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siu.cen.buap.mx (siu.buap.mx [148.228.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id VAA17440 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labpar1.cs.buap.mx ([148.228.20.4]) by siu.cen.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28289; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:29:53 GMT Received: from localhost by labpar1.cs.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04422; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:15:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:15:31 -0600 (CST) From: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Invalid address. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 11 Apr 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "RGG" == Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez writes: > > RGG> Few days ago, I posted a question about Majordomo allowing addresses > RGG> like @foo.bar.com , is it a bug?. > > You still didn't tell us what version of Majordomo. My mail to you is > being delayed or bounced intermittently, so perhaps you didn't receive the > responses. My apologies, I forgot it: I'm using Majordomo 1.94.1 on Solaris 2.4, and Perl 4.036. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez. Fac. de Ciencias de la Computacion. B.U.A.P. e-mail: rodolfo@siu.cen.buap.mx al103@solarium.cs.buap.mx rgg@labpar1.cs.buap.mx oxygene@geocities.com WWW: http://labpar1.cs.buap.mx/~rgg/ (IP: 148.228.20.4) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/9915/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 12 00:10:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA01226 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esosoft.com (esosoft.com [192.41.13.64]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id AAA01219 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esosoft (dialup-bne115.bluesky.net.au [203.21.76.135]) by esosoft.com (8.8.5) id AAA07741; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:59:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: esosoft.com: Host dialup-bne115.bluesky.net.au [203.21.76.135] claimed to be esosoft Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970412160827.006b9b34@esosoft.com> X-Sender: mailing@esosoft.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:08:27 +1000 To: Jason L Tibbitts III From: Michael Tratz Subject: Re: Invalid address. Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Jason, >I don't believe that the current version will allow such addresses, though >I could be wrong. Majordomo allows these addresses. We are running Majordomo 1.94.1. Yesterday we have received a bounce where the email address is "please". Every day we are gettin bounces which have @....... Nothing before the @. If I will get a bounce today I will forward you one. Michael From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 12 00:16:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA00984 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id XAA00971; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by lists.tax.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA10657; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:51:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: Patch to fix 'lists' display of subdirectories Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hiya All, For various reasons, I placed my digest and archive directories under my lists directory. Issuing a 'lists' command to majordomo shows both subdirectories; it also creates .config files for these non-existent lists. I think that the 'lists' command should make sure the name isn't a directory before treating it as a list. I don't wish to get into a discussion about whether or not it is good to have directories under the lists directory. Whether you think it's smart or stupid, the fact remains that majordomo shouldn't list a directory as a list, when lists are in fact text files. It should skip directories, just as it skips files named RCS or core (what if I created a list called core, or starting with core? I saw that it's been mentioned before -- I fixed that line when I saw that in the web archive of majordomo-users). Anyway, I suggest adding a line linke the following (after the one that checks for RCS|core) to the subroutine do_lists: next if (-d "$listdir/$list"); # skip directories I tried this out and it worked fine. :-) Since I don't recall if I've patched majordomo in other ways, I don't want to try using diff to create a patch (plus . . . it's *only* one line to add ;). In my possibly-not-pristine majordomo file, I inserted this line at 1198. I'm posting this to majordomo-users in case anyone else has subdirectories under their lists directory and could this this. I'm posting it to majordomo-workers in the hopes that, if there is a 1.94.2 (or if version 2 works similarly enough for this to apply), this gets added. I'd appreciate being told if this actually does get into some future version of majordomo. If this has been talked about before, then sorry to dredge it up again (but consider me a vote for fixing this anyway ;). Thanks, Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 12 08:57:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA28989 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.macn.bc.ca (homer.macn.bc.ca [207.194.217.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA28982 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (admin@localhost) by homer.macn.bc.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA06209 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:47:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:47:13 -0500 (CDT) From: MACN admin To: majordomo-users Subject: mail looping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk is there a way that when you loose your inet connetion to stop all mail to a list or list from looping? we lost our connection for part of the nite and today i had about 1500 copies of one message. other users got a few looped messages but near as many. thanks for the input. *-------------------------------------------------------------------* | Mt. Arrowsmith Community Network | | admin@macn.bc.ca http://www.macn.bc.ca | | Providing low cost access to the Internet for the general public. | *-------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 12 10:07:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA02571 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 09:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA02534 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 09:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17795; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:51:33 -0500 (CDT) To: MACN admin Cc: majordomo-users Subject: Re: mail looping References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 12 Apr 1997 11:51:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: MACN admin's message of Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:47:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Ma" == MACN admin writes: Ma> is there a way that when you loose your inet connetion to stop all mail Ma> to a list or list from looping? It looks like you're 'looping' (repeating messages) now. Unless you're just posting this until you get an answer. This is not a majordomo issue, it's an MTA issue and since you haven't told us what MTA you're using, we can't point you to the proper support location for that MTA (as majordomo-users isn't the place). - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 12 10:37:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA04370 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.macn.bc.ca (homer.macn.bc.ca [207.194.217.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id KAA04363 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (admin@localhost) by homer.macn.bc.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06645; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:28:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:28:11 -0500 (CDT) From: MACN admin To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: majordomo-users Subject: Re: mail looping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk sorry about the repeated messages.. i never saw them posted to the list so this is why the repeated messages. On 12 Apr 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "Ma" == MACN admin writes: > > Ma> is there a way that when you loose your inet connetion to stop all mail > Ma> to a list or list from looping? > > It looks like you're 'looping' (repeating messages) now. Unless you're > just posting this until you get an answer. > > This is not a majordomo issue, it's an MTA issue and since you haven't told > us what MTA you're using, we can't point you to the proper support location > for that MTA (as majordomo-users isn't the place). > > - J< > *-------------------------------------------------------------------* | Mt. Arrowsmith Community Network | | admin@macn.bc.ca http://www.macn.bc.ca | | Providing low cost access to the Internet for the general public. | *-------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Apr 12 19:22:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA02344 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 19:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id TAA02323 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 19:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Uucp1.mcs.net (root@Uucp1.mcs.net [192.160.127.93]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA14092 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:19:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: by Uucp1.mcs.net (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.17) id ; Sat, 12 Apr 97 21:19 CDT Received: from gibbs.pr.mcs.net (david [192.168.1.1]) by midrange.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02615 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:13:18 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970412211354.006d1d88@midrange> X-Sender: david@midrange X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:13:54 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: David Gibbs Subject: Lock file problem? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings! I just had to reinstall Linux after a hard drive crash... I got the system working, but for some reason, MEDIT won't work any more. I'm 100% sure it's a permissions problem... but I don't know where to look. When I issue the command 'medit midrange-l' (midrange-l is the list name), I get the following results... : ABORT shlock: '.' is not writable by UID 501 GID 100 -t... Recipient names must be specified -t... User unknown Anyone know where I should start looking? Thanks! david -- | Internet: david@midrange.com | WWW: http://www.mcs.net/~gibbs | AOL: DMGibbs | | I just LOVE Washington "Red" Delicious! | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 13 07:37:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA13052 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 07:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kym.starcom.co.ug ([193.219.212.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA13028 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 07:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daudi@localhost) by kym.starcom.co.ug (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA01249 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:31:47 +0300 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:31:47 +0300 (EAT) From: RHS Linux User To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: question on listname.config file Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I have just installed ver 1.94.1 majordomo on a Linux box running REDHAT 4.1 everything seems to work well except that for any list I set up, its corresponding config file does not seem to be read. This is because I was trying to restrict others not on the list "foo" from posting to it. I changed the variable restrict_post to the file "foo" (which is in the lists directory in the majordomo-1.94.1 direcotry) as I did not want people (not on foo) to post to it. It did not work. I also tried to set the variable for resend_host and reply_to and both do not seem to work. How can I be sure that the list foo is using the config file foo.config?? All help will be greatly appreciated. Daudi From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 13 09:22:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA22723 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 09:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.oulu.fi (lists.oulu.fi [130.231.241.85]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA22706 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 09:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mhotti@localhost) by lists.oulu.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10790; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:16:15 +0300 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:16:14 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Hotti X-Sender: mhotti@majordomo.oulu.fi To: RHS Linux User cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: question on listname.config file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Are you sure you are using resend script with your mailing list??? In your /etc/aliases file you should have something like: foo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l foo foo-1234 nobody" foo-1234: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/foo ...etc /Marko Marko Hotti System Administrator / Medical Student / Vocalist & Pianist -- Phones: +358 40 552 8415 (mobile) +358 8 530 4268 (home) +358 8 312 7172 (otho) SnailMail: Tervontie 4 C 11, FIN-90230 OULU, Finland Public PGP encryption key available on request --> mhotti@lists.oulu.fi www.lists.oulu.fi (list services home page) www.cc.oulu.fi/~mhotti (personal) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 13 10:26:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA27217 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vyger.net (vyger.net [206.11.200.208]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA27210 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (greg@localhost) by vyger.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14080 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:10:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:10:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Greg Blakely To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: gzipping archives Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I know folks are getting tired of BASIC questions, so I grepped the FAQ and the README for 1.94.1, as well as looking through the MAN pages. (That doesn't mean I didn't skip right past what I was looking for...) I've been successfully archiving my mailing lists for a while now, and thought I'd like to have them archived in .Z or .gz format to save on disk space. I notice that the mailing list archives at GreatCircle.com are in .Z format, so I know it's possible. Question is: How does one do it? Is it an option in archive2.pl? Or do I need to modify my aliases to add in a few more commands? Or is a fancy crontab entry needed? Or.....???? Thanks. -=Greg=- --- Greg Blakely greg@vyger.net http://www.vyger.net/~greg mn0045@mnwg.ncr.cap.gov greg.blakely@mnwg.cap.gov pgp key: 5E BD 32 60 46 4F 36 40 9A 65 FC 63 52 7A 9E A9 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Apr 13 15:56:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA06070 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ruby.magiclink.com.br (ruby.magiclink.com.br [200.254.29.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA06063 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (isamar@localhost) by ruby.magiclink.com.br (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA00247 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:05:26 -0300 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:05:25 -0300 (EST) From: Isamar Villas Boas Perrelli Maia X-Sender: isamar@ruby To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: How do I... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk How do I setup the access for the last messages in a majordomo's mailing list? -------------------------------------------- Isamar Maia SPAMBR-L@magiclink.com.br isamar@magiclink.com.br Lista Nacional ANTI-SPAM MagicLink Systems Salvador - BA - Brazil From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 01:20:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA11459 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esosoft.com (esosoft.com [192.41.13.64]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id AAA11443 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esosoft (dialup-bne119.bluesky.net.au [203.21.76.139]) by esosoft.com (8.8.5) id BAA01735; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 01:55:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: esosoft.com: Host dialup-bne119.bluesky.net.au [203.21.76.139] claimed to be esosoft Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970414175210.006c2e14@pop.esosoft.com> X-Sender: michael@pop.esosoft.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:52:10 +1000 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Michael Tratz Subject: Configuration file problem which causes mail loop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, today I discovered a problem with majordomos configuration file. I know its stupid, but todays listowner aren't so familar with these things and then they sometimes do very stupid things. In the last days we had about 3 MB big files in our mail queue. I looked at them and it contained hundreds of lines which look like: Bounce: NON-Member-submission from (chat@userhome.com). For your note, chat is the listname. Now I thought that something must be wrong. I looked at the configuration file and I found the following problem, the listowner has set the sender keyword to chat. I changed it immediately to owner-chat. I think you can imagine what happens. If for example resend bounces an email, because majordomo commands...., then it should go to the listowner, but as the listowner has set the sender keyword to the listname it goes to the list, but it bounces, because of non-member-submission and this happens again and again. I think it would be better, if majordomo checks when they submit the new config file that the sender keyword isn't the listname. Best wishes Michael Tratz From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 03:26:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA20522 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.traken.com (traken.com [206.26.158.155]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id DAA20515 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.traken.com ([192.168.2.12]) by sol.traken.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA12515 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 06:05:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199704141005.GAA12515@sol.traken.com> Reply-To: From: "Darryl L. Pierce" To: "MajorDomo" Subject: bounce script? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 06:10:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've added the bin/bounce script to cron, but when it executes, the following message comes up: no password for list ; stopping at ./bounce line 113. The command line being sent is: bounce -f /software/majordomo/majordomo.cf What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? ---------------------------------------------------- Darryl L. Pierce (mailto:keeper@sol.traken.com) Visit my website, http://www.traken.com/~keeper "Neither Heaven nor Hell...will be found in the tail of a comet." - Harlan Ellison From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 07:28:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA12102 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.kreative.net ([208.0.26.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA12053 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:15:41 -0700 (PDT) From: gnat@ns.kreative.net Received: from nt (nt.kreative.net [208.0.26.5]) by ns.kreative.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08573 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33523BA4.5162@ns.kreative.net> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:13:56 -0400 Reply-To: gnat@ns.kreative.net Organization: Kreative Access Internet Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: a few MJ questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk MJ users, I finally have a working copy of MJ, and now I have a few questions 1. I have multiple email boxes that are forwarded to my main email account, and all of them are subscribers to a test list of mine. When I send a post to the list, I only get back one message. Any ideas??? 2. I cant seem to get the reply_to in .config file to work. I set the reply_to to the name of list name, and still in the reply in the email header is the name of the person who posted to the list! ANy ideas? rich from Kreative Access From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 08:12:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA15141 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hrothgar.gw.com (hrothgar.gw.com [204.80.150.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA15066 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hrothgar.gw.com (jpeek@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hrothgar.gw.com (8.8.5/8.7.Alpha.4/1.34.kim) with ESMTP id LAA14273; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:03:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Jerry Peek X-Mailer: MH 6.8.4 To: gnat@ns.kreative.net cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: a few MJ questions References: <33523BA4.5162@ns.kreative.net> In-reply-to: Message from (gnat@ns.kreative.net ) of "Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:13:56 -0400." Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:03:02 -0600 Message-ID: <14267.861030182@hrothgar.gw.com> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 14 April, gnat@ns.kreative.net wrote: > 1. I have multiple email boxes that are forwarded to my main email > account, and all of them are subscribers to a test list of mine. When I > send a post to the list, I only get back one message. Any ideas??? Your MTA (like sendmail) is probably suppressing duplicates: it sees that those addresses are actually all pointing to the same mailbox. If you have accounts on other hosts that forward back to your local mailbox, try mailing to them instead... the MTAs won't be talking to each other, so they can't "know" that all the messages are duplicates. > 2. I cant seem to get the reply_to in .config file to work. I set the > reply_to to the name of list name, and still in the reply in the email > header is the name of the person who posted to the list! ANy ideas? This is a bad idea. There's plenty of discussion about it in the archives of this list. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 08:27:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA15309 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA15299 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA10727 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:05:43 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA06333; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:05:43 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: a few MJ questions References: <33523BA4.5162@ns.kreative.net> Date: 14 Apr 1997 11:05:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: gnat@ns.kreative.net's message of Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:13:56 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "g" == gnat writes: g> 1. I have multiple email boxes that are forwarded to my main email g> account, and all of them are subscribers to a test list of mine. When I g> send a post to the list, I only get back one message. Any ideas??? A "smart" MTA (mail transfer agent) will resolve aliases into their proper mailboxes and eliminate duplicates. It really is a feature. g> 2. I cant seem to get the reply_to in .config file to work. Good; you really do not want to use it unless you know exactly what you are doing. Check the Majordomo FAQ and the Majordomo-users list archives for more details. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1JHvp6VRH7BJMxHAQEp7wQAtM+utFXcfDzIIr14nrkBJowx3JMGJmsy AiCxDVkw8XPnYhw1T1zi71GoCJ7SNrLeTBTjpL3ou6M5RSRRHKM5EpskFK4w0kT6 qkNbCv65EIiFyNifJB32jjHyxb7aURrc9ki6qqQYX+DNKrDRPfeVJd/wTgdCQtmC yb7w8aOx1gs= =wq8A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 11:42:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA08493 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us (sparkie.osl.state.or.us [192.84.215.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA08482 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA29358; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:35:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Adams To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: BOUNCE/APPROVE question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I tried to pipe the following message to the approve script, but nothing happens, even though I get no message otherwise. I have been able to successfully pipe messages with "approve" in the subject, using the following method with Pine mail. 1- Read the message 2- Turn on full headers 3- Pipe the message to approve by entering the path to approve (/usr/local/mail/majordomo/bin/approve) I know I can make a symbolic link to approve, but this also should work. The result is a message saying that the pipe command is done. However, the message is never delivered to the list. Again, I am successful with any messages that have "approve" in the subject, such as on moderated lists, or subscription approval requests on closed lists, but NOT with anything with "bounce" in the subject. What am I missing? Christopher Adams Message following: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 06:01:10 -0700 From: owner-libs-or@sparkie.osl.state.or.us To: owner-libs-or@sparkie.osl.state.or.us Subject: BOUNCE libs-or@sparkie.osl.state.or.us: Admin request >From libs-or-owner Sun Apr 13 06:01:07 1997 Received: from medicus (medicus.lhl.uab.edu [138.26.152.106]) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA27119 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 06:01:06 -0700 Received: from lister2.lhl.uab.edu by medicus (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14936; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 08:08:43 -0500 Received: from LISTER2/MAILQUEUE by lister2.lhl.uab.edu (Mercury 1.21); 13 Apr 97 08:06:27 +500 Received: from MAILQUEUE by LISTER2 (Mercury 1.21); 13 Apr 97 08:05:57 +500 From: "Faye Harkins" Organization: Lister Hill Library To: libs-or@sparkie.osl.state.or.us Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 08:05:47 +500 Reply-To: fharkins@lister2.lhl.uab.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <23FCCD40F7C@lister2.lhl.uab.edu> subscribe fharkins@uab.edu From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 15:57:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA04692 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA04676 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shortbus.mcom.com (shortbus.mcom.com [205.217.246.39]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29358 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shortbus by shortbus.mcom.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA11375; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:40:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3352884A.86BE7A4A@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:40:58 -0400 From: Doug Dalton Organization: Netscape X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3C (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Approval Required error X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just updated my Majordomo to the latest version (1.94.1) and it keeps giving me the following error even though my password is correct? BOUNCE list@domain.com: Approval required: Invalid 'Approved:' header and I have used the previous version without this problem? I have made sure the following this are true, the approved line is ALWAYS the first line, the password file contains no extra characters, can anyone think of anything else? From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 16:10:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA05074 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roentgen.gdl.iteso.mx (cedies-iteso.gdl.iteso.mx [148.201.193.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA04871 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from epalomar@localhost) by roentgen.gdl.iteso.mx (8.7.4/8.6.9) id RAA08046; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:00:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:00:14 -0600 (CST) From: Ing E Palomar Lever To: majordomo users Subject: internet virus - A myth??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk * To Ing E Palomar Lever Via an inexplicably circuitous route, I received your e-mail denouncing message-borne viruses as being a load of balls. I would dearly love to believe you, except for what happened to a colleague of mine only a few days ago. Without wishing to perpetuate this discussion, or add to the already prolific flow of warnings, I enclose the text of a message he sent to me as a result of his experience. Bear in mind he is an extremely serious CPA who is not prone to panic or exaggeration. Anyone who receives this must send it to as many people as you can. It is essential that this problem be reconciled as soon as possible. A few hours ago, I opened an E-mail that had the subject heading of "AOL4FREE.COM". Within seconds of opening it, a window appeared and began to display my files that were being deleted. I immediately shut down my computer, but it was too late. This virus wiped me out. It ate the Anti-Virus Software that comes with the Windows '95 Program along with F-Prot AVS. Neither was able to detect it. He just read the mail, and that's what happened. regards, Richard **************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 16:56:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA13092 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fish.grin.net (fish.grin.net [206.169.121.26]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA13072 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rururudy@localhost) by fish.grin.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17189; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Rudy Rucker To: Ing E Palomar Lever cc: majordomo users Subject: Installation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm having trouble installing majordomo. If I use the POSIX settings I get an error at "#access" during the first make. Using the other settings, I can make the file, however, wrapper config-test fails and says to try the POSIX settings. What should I do? Here is my system info: gisun-/385>uname -a SunOS gisun 5.5.1 Generic sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-20 Rudy PS Re: mail from: Ing E Palomar Lever you could easily send a virus such as the WORD marco/template virus as an attachment. As for eraseing the harddisk from reading your email, you would have to be using activeX and some of the other microsoft wonders. `''`''`'``'`'`'`''`'`'`'`'''```''` `'` rururudy@grin.net ''` ''`'`''`'````''`''`''``'`''``'''`' From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 16:58:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA11295 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (qiclab.scn.rain.com [204.188.34.97]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id QAA11241 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.2) id ; Mon, 14 Apr 97 16:34 PDT Received: from damien.lbcc.cc.or.us(really [204.214.120.193]) by stargate.lbcc.cc.or.us via sendmail with smtp id for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3 built 1996-Oct-12) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970414162855.00911e20@stargate.lbcc.cc.or.us> X-Sender: sugalsd@stargate.lbcc.cc.or.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:28:55 -0700 To: majordomo users From: Dan Sugalski Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 05:00 PM 4/14/97 -0600, Ing E Palomar Lever wrote: [virus warning snipped] I hope this one's another myth. Unfortunately, Micro$oft's Internet Explorer has the capability to do this now. (#$%@! HTML mail with embedded ActiveX controls...) I think you get some warnings, though I may be wrong about this one. Dan ----------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- Dan Sugalski (541) 917-4364 even samurai Programmer/SysAdmin have teddy bears Linn-Benton Community College and even the teddy bears sugalsd@stargate.lbcc.cc.or.us get drunk From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 17:15:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA13225 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id QAA13213 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gates.idyllmtn.com (gates.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.103]) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24834; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:45:10 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970414162237.007692d4@mail.idyllmtn.com> X-Sender: kynn@mail.idyllmtn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:46:04 -0700 To: Ing E Palomar Lever From: Kynn Bartlett Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? Cc: majordomo users Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 05:00 PM 4/14/97 -0600, Ing E Palomar Lever wrote: >To Ing E Palomar Lever >Via an inexplicably circuitous route, I received your e-mail denouncing >message-borne viruses as being a load of balls. I would dearly love to >believe you, except for what happened to a colleague of mine only a few >days ago. >>"AOL4FREE.COM". [crap snipped] >He just read the mail, and that's what happened. No, you are wrong and misinformed, and probably a bit gullible. Your friend is either being misunderstood by you, or you are lying. This did _not_ happen to your friend, and I'll eat this message if it did. The following is email I just sent out today to someone who included me on a CC list of several hundred people, talking about the very text you claim was written "by your friend", but which was reproduced word for word in the warning I received from a different source. Hopefully this will educate you and others about virus hoaxes: >At 12:20 PM 4/14/97 -0800, Bill Dickerson wrote: >>Mail*Link(r) SMTP virus warning >>Am unsure of the significance or accuracy of this--but in the age-old custom >>of "better safe than sorry. . ." >>>>"AOL4FREE.COM". > >Actually, a better principle to follow in the case of virus >warnings is "verify, verify, verify." > >What I like to tell people is -- unless you are an EXPERT in >virus warnings, or you have received your information first >hand from someone whom you can independently confirm is an >expert, DON'T pass on a virus warning. (It's not enough to >trust your immediate source as a person; you have to know >that they haven't fallen trap to a hoax too.) > >These days there are countless numbers of "hoax viruses" >drifting about the internet, and a lot of time, energy, and >worry gets spent trying to deal with these chimeras. > >If you receive a virus warning via email -- no matter who >it comes from -- you should first confirm the accuracy of >that email. > >How? > >* Subscribe to the virus newsgroup (comp.virus, I believe, > is it) > >or even easier: > >* Surf to a web page about viruses and look it up. If you > don't find your virus listed there as a hoax or a real > virus, send it on to the people who maintain the page and > they'll be able to tell you if it's legit. > >VIRUS RESOURCES: > >I threw together a quick list of pages related to virus warnings; >the first one to check out is Yahoo: > >http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Security_and_Encryption/Viruses/ > >This has a bunch of useful links, including: > >http://www.ncsa.com/virus/ -- NCSA's Virus Tech Lab >http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ -- Symantec's anti-virus research > center > >With regards to the "virus" in question here, I found the following >pages at NCSA and Symantec that state it's a hoax: > >http://www.ncsa.com/virus/aol4free.html >http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/data/aol4free.html > >IN CONCLUSION: > >This message is not meant to embarass Bill or anyone else -- >but rather to pass on some useful information about virus >hoaxes, where to get definitive information, and what to do when >you get one. In short: Don't pass it on unless you can verify >it first. > >--Kynn Bartlett > Idyll Mountain Internet > -- /\ /\ /\ /\ Kynn Bartlett / kynn@idyllmtn.com / \ / \/ \ / \ Idyll Mountain Internet / \ //\ /\ \ / \ '_| _` // \/ \__\ '_| _` ICQ: 780498 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Apr 14 17:16:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA15225 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.fni.com (ns1.fni.com [204.181.104.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id RAA15185 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.fni.com (ns1.fni.com [204.181.104.1]) by ns1.fni.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA31719; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:05:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:05:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Brennen Reply-To: Michael Brennen To: DannyB cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Potential bug in majordomo???? In-Reply-To: <9704142337.AA22064@enterprise.udayton.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You should get a bounce subject, with the real subject in the body of the mail. See the majordomo docs to get the approval procedure. -- Michael On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, DannyB wrote: > Now, when I enter a subject and mail to sample@vod.com, no subject > comes up. In my sample.config file, I have the list set to moderated > and it's open. I didn't change anything else. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 02:56:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA25468 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Nzambi.qub.ac.uk (nzambi.qub.ac.uk [143.117.14.23]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id CAA25451 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fujin.qub.ac.uk by Nzambi.qub.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:56:02 +0000 Received: from majella.cc.qub.ac.uk by fujin.qub.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA05688; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:00:57 +0100 From: Majella McCarron To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com cc: m.mccarron@qub.ac.uk Subject: Problems with moderated list. Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:54:13 +0000 () X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.7 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've set up a list called gogo@projects.qub.ac.uk which I wish to be moderated. Here's the entry from the aliases file: # #gogo mailing list # gogo: "|/usr/local/etc/majordomo/wrapper resend -l gogo -h projects.qub.ac.uk -r gogo -l gogo -s gogo-outgoing" owner-gogo: m.mccarron@qub.ac.uk gogo-owner: owner-gogo gogo-approval: owner-gogo gogo-outgoing::include:/usr/spool/ftp/pub/lists/gogo, "|/usr/local/etc/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /usr/spool/ftp/pub/lists/gogo.archive/gogo -m -a" owner-gogo-outgoing: owner-gogo owner-gogo-archive: owner-gogo gogo-request: "|/usr/local/etc/majordomo/wrapper request-answer gogo" owner-gogo-request: owner-gogo I've modified the list configuration file setting moderate to 'yes'. I'm using Majordomo 1.92 on an A/UX system. When a message is sent to the list the message does not get through to the list members. What happens is that the list moderator gets two!! messages. The first message would typically look like this: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 09:52:14 BST To: owner-gogo@projects.qub.ac.uk From: owner-gogo@projects.qub.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE gogo: Approval required Message-ID: <9704150852.AA22595@projects.qub.ac.uk> This first message has just a header and no content. The second message would look like this: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:51:51 +0000 () To: gogo@projects.qub.ac.uk From: J.Bloggs Subject: Just a test Sender: jbloggs@qub.ac.uk Message-ID: followed by the contents. I expected the list moderator to receive only *one* message similar in form to the first shown above but including the contents. What am I doing wrong?? I'm including my 'bounces' list here just in case it is causing a problem. # # Bounces list for majordomo # owner-bounces: bouncesuser bounces: "|/usr/local/etc/majordomo/wrapper resend -l bounces -h projects.qub.ac.uk bounces-outgoing" bounces-approval: owner-bounces bounces-outgoing: :include:/usr/spool/ftp/pub/lists/bounces owner-bounces-outgoing: owner-bounces bounces-request: :"|/usr/local/etc/majordomo/wrapper request-answer bounces" owner-bounces-request: owner-bounces Majella McCarron ---------------------- m.mccarron@qub.ac.uk ---------------------- m.mccarron@qub.ac.uk From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 10:28:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA05300 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kinsey.fia.net (mail.fia.net [206.171.100.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA05289 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fifc33.fia.net (fifc33.fia.net [206.171.64.33]) by kinsey.fia.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA20584 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fifc33.fia.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BC4984.CBFB8360@fifc33.fia.net>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:07:16 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC4984.CBFB8360@fifc33.fia.net> From: Drew Gainor To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: can't fine perl during make install Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:07:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk BSDI version 2.1. why can it not find my perl? {44}% make install Testing for perl (/usr/bin/perl)... DATE:: not found You didn't correctly tell me where Perl is. *** Error code 1 Stop. {45}% ls /usr/bin/p* /usr/bin/pagesize /usr/bin/perl5 /usr/bin/printenv /usr/bin/passwd /usr/bin/pfbtops /usr/bin/printf /usr/bin/paste /usr/bin/pic /usr/bin/psbb /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/ppp /usr/bin/psroff /usr/bin/perl.orig /usr/bin/pr {46}% ll /usr/bin/perl* -r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 249856 Jan 27 10:28 /usr/bin/perl -r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 249856 Jan 2 1996 /usr/bin/perl.orig lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 20 Jan 27 10:31 /usr/bin/perl5 -> ../contrib/bin/pe rl5Drew Gainor dgainor@fia.net System Engineer First Internet Franchise Corp. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 11:46:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA15980 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siu.cen.buap.mx (siu.buap.mx [148.228.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA15941 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labpar1.cs.buap.mx ([148.228.20.4]) by siu.cen.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02064; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:46:47 GMT Received: from localhost by labpar1.cs.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02965; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:32:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:32:19 -0600 (CST) From: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez To: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez Cc: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Invalid address: again In-Reply-To: <01BC4984.CBFB8360@fifc33.fia.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, It happened again, and from the same address: somebody subscribed with @total.net without name, and Majordomo 1.94.1 didn't block it (?). Saludos. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez. Fac. de Ciencias de la Computacion. B.U.A.P. e-mail: rodolfo@siu.cen.buap.mx al103@solarium.cs.buap.mx rgg@labpar1.cs.buap.mx oxygene@geocities.com WWW: http://labpar1.cs.buap.mx/~rgg/ (IP: 148.228.20.4) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/9915/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 11:54:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA14314 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA03306 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wisc.edu (wisc.edu [128.104.30.27]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id HAA00955 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boss1.bossnt.com (boss1.bossnt.com [198.150.37.6]) by wisc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15179 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:06:13 -0500 Received: from Phoenecia (slip129-37-200-140.wi.us.ibm.net [129.37.200.140]) by boss1.bossnt.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA25336 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:12:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199704151312.IAA25336@boss1.bossnt.com> From: "Gary McClellan" To: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 08:54:19 -0600 Reply-To: "Gary McClellan" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Wish List 101 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk After watching a proliferation of bounced mail due to quotas and full mailboxes on juno, hotmail, aol, et al, I suddenly decided that I'd really, really like to have all of the 'normal bounces' (as generated by MUAs everywhere) go to another address, while the 'majordomo bounces' (those created when majordomo had control) would continue to come to my mailbox. (Wow. Long sentence.) Anyway, did I miss a config option that would allow that? If not, will Majordomo ][ have that as an option? --- Gary McClellan Gary D. McClellan and Associates Ltd. The Business Basic Specialists http://www.gdma.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 11:56:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA14650 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA03308 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id HAA00978 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA06317; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:54:32 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA22538; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:54:32 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Cc: epalomar@roentgen.gdl.iteso.mx, postmaster@roentgen.gdl.iteso.mx Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? References: Date: 15 Apr 1997 09:54:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ing E Palomar Lever's message of Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:00:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "IEPL" == Ing E Palomar Lever >>>>> writes: IEPL> Via an inexplicably circuitous route, I received your e-mail IEPL> denouncing message-borne viruses as being a load of balls. I would IEPL> dearly love to believe you, except for what happened to a colleague IEPL> of mine only a few days ago. A virus cannot attach itself to an Internet email message and spread that way, period. Viruses can attach themselves to files and those files can be mailed, but that is another issue entirely. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1OIk56VRH7BJMxHAQEsSAP9GG3lrBTmxvif6wPj2yhvc1ChJuN/zhSh cNwwGXbEKRFhW2IDDfj9ZA8S6CmA/fPImuIW0Tv/vh5Gfbv0mjJlB94OPPybKwdv XX0gTZYG+/jTAbDbuOAdcn1aL0Z7SRtgy1KYrCPVjTRdiRIFWC9cmhLnmnlOxX5i UkZ7bMVU63g= =XgiZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 12:54:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA25338 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.cfe.gob.mx (gate.cfe.gob.mx [159.16.0.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA25151 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by gate.cfe.gob.mx (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA00139 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:53:17 -0500 Received: from unknown(159.16.17.24) by gate.cfe.gob.mx via smap (V1.3) id sma000129; Tue Apr 15 14:53:16 1997 Received: from dynamus.cfemex.com (amedina@dynamus.cfemex.com [159.16.16.150]) by k4200.cfemex.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA09510 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:52:59 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:53:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Alejandro Escalante Medina X-Sender: amedina@dynamus.cfemex.com To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Digests with quoted printable chars Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Perhaps this question is not really about majordomo, but anyway, here it goes: I've been running a discussion list in spanish for a while whithout trouble: we can see eight bit chars because we have agreed on using iso-8859-1 (latin1) as the encoding for our messages Now that I'm starting to digest and archive, my digests get sent with quoted printable characters (=3F, or thigs like that) insted of 8 bit. I'm puzzled beacuse Majordomo seems to handle 8 bit chars well in normal processing, but digest cannot. Thanks in advance, Alejandro Escalante Medina From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 14:44:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA01905 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from senie.com (senie.com [204.69.207.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA01859 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22690 invoked from network); 15 Apr 1997 20:28:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (dts@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Apr 1997 20:28:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:28:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Senie To: Gary McClellan cc: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Subject: Re: Wish List 101 In-Reply-To: <199704151312.IAA25336@boss1.bossnt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Gary McClellan wrote: > After watching a proliferation of bounced mail due to quotas and full > mailboxes on juno, hotmail, aol, et al, I suddenly decided that I'd really, > really like to have all of the 'normal bounces' (as generated by MUAs > everywhere) go to another address, while the 'majordomo bounces' (those > created when majordomo had control) would continue to come to my mailbox. > (Wow. Long sentence.) And then have the "normal bounces" be auto processed for removal from lists? That's what I want. Seems like I get a dozen quota exceeded cases from juno.com and aol.com. I'd like to see an adjunct to majordomo that can handle the automatic removal of the bouncing users. Dan --------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Senie Internet: dan@senie.com, Daniel Senie Consulting n1jeb@senie.com http://www.senie.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 14:53:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA00428 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA00394 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA17200 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:22:19 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA00539; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:22:19 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? References: Date: 15 Apr 1997 16:22:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: Donald Timothy Koch / Appt # 13's message of Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "DTK/A#1" == Donald Timothy Koch / Appt # 13 >>>>> writes: >> A virus cannot attach itself to an Internet email message and spread that >> way, period. DTK/A#1> Unfortunately, while this used to be true it is no longer. There DTK/A#1> are now "Word Macro Viruses" which do just that, For the record, Word macro viruses attached themselves to a kind of program, a Word document. They will not spread unless you extract the file and load it into Word and execute the macro. Viruses CANNOT SPREAD UNLESS THEY ARE EXECUTED and at the base line electronic mail is not in and of itself executed. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1PjeZ6VRH7BJMxHAQG+pAQAlHtAs0ACHY+VeoWEOQKM8R9JXm30uOiw QImt+cq1t4enXJjWLpuIhM6GXi7LDoCSNjKgkszzpvr1aVjZc/xDXQtgudR47GB5 7Qm9fe7n5+WKp+XCF5dkb43U3hTmmS3p3E//ELYK4R4T4DOY2P6X5RuGkqSYthzI VSAGsa1pYjg= =tMuB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 14:54:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA28240 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from badger.jsc.vsc.edu (badger.jsc.vsc.edu [155.42.31.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id NAA28020 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by badger.jsc.vsc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24337; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:03:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:03:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald Timothy Koch / Appt # 13 To: Rich Pieri Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, epalomar@roentgen.gdl.iteso.mx, postmaster@roentgen.gdl.iteso.mx Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 15 Apr 1997, Rich Pieri wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >>>>> "IEPL" == Ing E Palomar Lever > >>>>> writes: > > IEPL> Via an inexplicably circuitous route, I received your e-mail > IEPL> denouncing message-borne viruses as being a load of balls. I would > IEPL> dearly love to believe you, except for what happened to a colleague > IEPL> of mine only a few days ago. > > A virus cannot attach itself to an Internet email message and spread that > way, period. Unfortunately, while this used to be true it is no longer. There are now "Word Macro Viruses" which do just that, however the particular e-mail program would need to be able to read those macro commands for it to work. Some of those programs do read macros. > > Viruses can attach themselves to files and those files can be mailed, but > that is another issue entirely. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 4.0 Business Edition > Charset: noconv > > iQCVAwUBM1OIk56VRH7BJMxHAQEsSAP9GG3lrBTmxvif6wPj2yhvc1ChJuN/zhSh > cNwwGXbEKRFhW2IDDfj9ZA8S6CmA/fPImuIW0Tv/vh5Gfbv0mjJlB94OPPybKwdv > XX0gTZYG+/jTAbDbuOAdcn1aL0Z7SRtgy1KYrCPVjTRdiRIFWC9cmhLnmnlOxX5i > UkZ7bMVU63g= > =XgiZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain > Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. > A Stone & Webster Company | > I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | > ****************************************************************************** Donald T. Koch kochd@badger.jsc.vsc.edu http://www.angelfire.com/vt/kochd ****************************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 15:30:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA00562 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA00528 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA17216 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:22:52 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA00556; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:22:52 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? References: <33503B46.790E@roentgen.gdl.iteso.mx> Date: 15 Apr 1997 16:22:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: postmaster's message of Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "p" == postmaster writes: p> Do you think I have time to deal with your hoaxes? I don't know; do you have time to deal with your users spreading them? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1PjmJ6VRH7BJMxHAQHs5wP+NpjrMnYKTI/lm6qtT8lhrNjksqSfFy0S ohjXXWSkpev8dZO3htm3JsXZK5W3178GqC3dlG+Jnbboky6g4aaqP3c1qjGr3MWO D32f8wLFAfyy4m+Q/NW17SE9UCd60mfI2bI8oF9UimHcfrDO1L0v71FFmtv4Qqfg oilzB1/ykls= =9PBX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, Prescient Technologies, Inc. | get away immediately. Seek shelter A Stone & Webster Company | and cover head. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 16:52:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA08008 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kparker.nai.net (kparker.nai.net [208.133.166.213]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA08000 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kparker@localhost) by kparker.nai.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA12718 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:28:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:28:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kenneth W. Parker" To: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 15 Apr 1997, Rich Pieri wrote: > Viruses CANNOT SPREAD UNLESS THEY ARE EXECUTED and at the base line > electronic mail is not in and of itself executed. I'm beginning to wonder about the "new" E-Mail formats: Someone told me that Internet Explorer 4 allows sending and receiving E-Mail using, for example, Active-X (as if HTML format E-Mail isn't bad enough on our lists). Is THAT programmable enough for at least a trojan horse? I'm afraid someone's going to write a programmable E-Mail reader JUST so that they can prove everyone wrong about E-Mail virii! :-( Till later, Ken Parker From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 16:56:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA01288 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [204.255.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id PAA01183 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA23889; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:49:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: Majordomo-Users List Subject: Re: Invalid address: again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez wrote: > It happened again, and from the same address: somebody subscribed with > @total.net without name, and Majordomo 1.94.1 didn't block it (?). You're not alone: the same thing is happening here. Majordomo is accepting subscriptions from addresses with no left side (@machine.domain), from addresses with no right side (user), from plain FQDNs (machine.domain), and from addresses with trailing dots (user@machine.domain.). I'm digging through the FAQ and the docs as we speak, but haven't found the answer yet. If MD doesn't have that capability now, it's a good candidate for the next release. What with most Internet e-mail now being generated by PC and Mac based mail programs that depend on the user for correct configuration, incomplete and incorrectly formated addresses are an increasing problem. Majordomo 1.91.4, Perl 5.002, Sendmail 8.6 SMI, Solaris 2.5. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Administrator, Internetworking Services Voice: 410-887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: 410-887-2091 320 York Road ICBM: 39.39910 North Towson, Maryland 21204 U.S.A. 76.60300 West From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 17:59:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA18548 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (POSTOFFICE.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.56.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id RAA18396 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ICONOCLAST.RESNET.CORNELL.EDU (ICONOCLAST.RESNET.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.75.180]) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28036; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970415202942.00744bf0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: jme9@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:29:42 -0400 To: Chip Old From: James Egelhof Subject: Re: Invalid address: again Cc: Majordomo-Users List In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 06:49 PM 4/15/97 -0400, Chip Old wrote: >Majordomo 1.91.4, Perl 5.002, Sendmail 8.6 SMI, Solaris 2.5. I assume this majordomo version is reversed. -james -- James Egelhof jme9@cornell.edu Cornell University http://www.aolsucks.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Apr 15 19:36:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA25167 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [204.255.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id SAA25152 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA25064; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:19:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:19:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail To: Majordomo-Users List Subject: Re: Invalid address: again In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970415202942.00744bf0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, James Egelhof wrote: > At 06:49 PM 4/15/97 -0400, Chip Old wrote: > >Majordomo 1.91.4, Perl 5.002, Sendmail 8.6 SMI, Solaris 2.5. > > I assume this majordomo version is reversed. Oops! It's my stupid typing finger (singular intended). Lousey aim... Make that 1.94.1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Administrator, Internetworking Services Voice: 410-887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: 410-887-2091 320 York Road ICBM: 39.39910 North Towson, Maryland 21204 U.S.A. 76.60300 West From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 03:43:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA03055 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt (jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt [193.188.34.119]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id DAA03037 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cmeli@localhost) by jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt (8.8.4/8.8.1-CISNET) id NAA27176 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:34:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:34:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Clyde Meli Message-Id: <199704161134.NAA27176@jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt> X-Comment: is.unimt.mt became cis.um.edu.mt on July 9 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: banning unwanted users from lists Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk How can you actually ban users from your mailing list. The only way I found with majordomo 1.94 was by adding them to $majordomo_dont_reply = in the majordomo.cf. I sent out an administration message to the list, as list owner, then I got flamed by a newbie on the list who doesn't understand much about lists. I need to block him as he's breaking my list policy on flaming etc. I know there is a section in the configuration file for the list to block unwanted fields (from) but it didn't work at all for me. I couldn't find any information in the FAQ on this, that's why I'm posting. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 03:49:04 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA03104 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hq.seicom.de (mail.seicom.NET [194.97.200.30]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id DAA03096 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from communicator by hq.seicom.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0wHS1P-002QKDC; Wed, 16 Apr 97 12:33 MET DST Received: by communicator; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA16889; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:35:48 +0200 Message-Id: <3354C627.41C6@stuttgart.de> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:29:27 +0000 From: Marc Musse Organization: Seicom GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; AIX 1) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Kynn Bartlett wrote: > > At 05:00 PM 4/14/97 -0600, Ing E Palomar Lever wrote: > >To Ing E Palomar Lever > >Via an inexplicably circuitous route, I received your e-mail denouncing > >message-borne viruses as being a load of balls. I would dearly love to > >believe you, except for what happened to a colleague of mine only a few > >days ago. > >>"AOL4FREE.COM". [crap snipped] > >He just read the mail, and that's what happened. > > No, you are wrong and misinformed, and probably a bit gullible. > Your friend is either being misunderstood by you, or you are > lying. This did _not_ happen to your friend, and I'll eat this > message if it did > I really believe, this happened. Mail clients like Navigator do not only display Mail, they can also "execute" inline links, immediately without any action from the user. When you open Netscape Mail-Client, the first mail is automatically displayed. If there is an attachment, e.g. a html-page it is displayed, too. If there is Java, Java-Script or any other statement, that can be executed by the browser it is done! And if there is mallicious code in it .... Remember, we only opened the client, we couldn`t even choose to ignore the e-mail, it was just EXECUTED. You can improve protection a bit by showing attachments as links and not inline, which is the default setting! (I wonder why) Kynn: bbtw. Hope your stomach feels not too bad :-) ----------------------------------------------------------- - Dipl.-Inf. Marc Musse - Network-Security-Consultant - Seicom GmbH - e-Mail: musse@seicom.net,ms@stuttgart.de,ms@musse.de ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 04:39:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA08270 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unilmta3.unil.ch (cisun29.unil.ch [130.223.27.29]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id EAA08238 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisun26.unil.ch by unilmta3.unil.ch with SMTP inbound; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:32:36 +0200 Received: from cisun26 by cisun26.unil.ch (SMI-8.6/Unil-Sol2-1.0) id NAA11932; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:32:35 +0200 Message-Id: <199704161132.NAA11932@cisun26.unil.ch> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: "who" for list-owner of private list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:32:35 +0200 From: Dominique FRISE Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, We are using majordomo 1.93 on Solaris 2.5.1. The list-owners of private lists can't know who is in the list that they are managing without being included in the list itself. This behaviour is not correct. How can we change this? Dominique From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 05:26:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA13857 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grant-cbg2adp.army.mil (GRANT-CBG2ADP.ARMY.MIL [150.190.31.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id FAA13772 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704161210.FAA13772@honor.greatcircle.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 8:05:49 EDT From: "Gwendolyn M. Pine" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com cc: gpine@grant-cbg2adp.army.mil Subject: running mmdf... Agency: U.S. AMC - ILSC, Chambersburg, PA (USA) Phone: DSN: 570-9166, Commercial: (717) 267-9166 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk can someone point me to a faq file that specifically addresses majordomo running with mmdf? also, if anyone "out there" is running majordomo with mmdf and wouldnt mind answering a few questions, pls e-mail me off-list...thanks y'all...gwen From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 05:42:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA13635 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from berean.berean.net (berean.berean.net [207.48.63.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id FAA13625 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scott.berean.net ([207.48.63.32]) by berean.berean.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA19971 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:06:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704161206.HAA19971@berean.berean.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Scott Thomas" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:06:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Missing list file References: <3.0.1.32.19970415202942.00744bf0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've been using majordomo 1.94 quite happily for some months now. We have one list with about 1800 addresses which mails approximately every 3 days. Yesterday I had reason to manually inspect the list, and found 24 names on the list. There is no evidence of a break-in (we don't allow shell accounts), and no indication in the logs of what may have happened. Naturally, the list-owner is pretty unhappy. Any idea what may have happened, and what can be done to (a) resurrect the list and/or (b) prevent this from happening again? TIA Scott Scott Thomas Berean Solutions, Inc. http://www.berean.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 06:27:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA17249 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from just.doit.com (doit.com [204.214.7.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id FAA17223 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tdoyle.doit.com (tdoyle@tim.doit.com [204.214.7.162]) by just.doit.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA14116; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:54:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970416065745.009db144@204.214.7.1> X-Sender: tdoyle@204.214.7.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 06:57:51 -0600 To: "Scott Thomas" From: "Timothy B. Doyle" Subject: Re: Missing list file Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 07:06 AM 4/16/97 +0000, you wrote: >Yesterday I had reason to manually inspect the list, and found 24 >names on the list. There is no evidence of a break-in (we don't allow >shell accounts), and no indication in the logs of what may have >happened. I have seen this happen to my lists as well. From what I can tell, if the system runs out of disk space and Majordomo attempts to update the list, the list can (will?) be lost. I am not a Majordomo expert, and there may be other explanations for this problem. I, however, have learned to make backups of my list periodically (by sending a WHO listname) and keeping it along with all of the subscribe/unsubscribe messages. This way, I can recreate the list if needed. -------------------------------------------------- Tim Doyle tdoyle@doit.com / tdoyle@netcom.com WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ ftp directory: doit.com pub/tdoyle From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 06:33:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA17989 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 06:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.pat.dcu.ie (odin.pat.dcu.ie [136.206.36.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id GAA17896 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 06:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc_liam.teltec.dcu.ie ([136.206.36.105]) by odin.pat.dcu.ie (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12746; Wed, 16 Apr 97 14:08:12 BST Message-Id: <9704161308.AA12746@odin.pat.dcu.ie> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Liam Ward" Organization: Teltec Ireland To: "Scott Thomas" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:07:10 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Missing list file Reply-To: Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <199704161206.HAA19971@berean.berean.net> References: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 16 Apr 97 at 7:06, Scott Thomas wrote: > I've been using majordomo 1.94 quite happily for some months now. We > have one list with about 1800 addresses which mails approximately > every 3 days. > > Yesterday I had reason to manually inspect the list, and found 24 > names on the list. There is no evidence of a break-in (we don't allow > shell accounts), and no indication in the logs of what may have > happened. > > Naturally, the list-owner is pretty unhappy. Any idea what may have > happened, and what can be done to (a) resurrect the list and/or (b) > prevent this from happening again? I've seen this on 1.92 many times and I think it happened to me last week with 1.94. I've never found out why it happens :-( For the sake of interest, my Majordomo runs on a Sparc 10 with SunOS 4.1.3. Liam Liam Ward, Video Coding Group Teltec Ireland, DCU, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel : +353-1-7045758 FAX : +353-1-7045092 E-mail : Liam.Ward@Teltec.DCU.IE URL : http://www.teltec.dcu.ie/~wardl From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 06:39:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA17756 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 06:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-24.netcom.ca [207.181.94.88]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id GAA17733 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 06:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA22579; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:04:51 -0300 (ADT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:04:50 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Scott Thomas cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Missing list file In-Reply-To: <199704161206.HAA19971@berean.berean.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Scott Thomas wrote: > I've been using majordomo 1.94 quite happily for some months now. We > have one list with about 1800 addresses which mails approximately > every 3 days. > > Yesterday I had reason to manually inspect the list, and found 24 > names on the list. There is no evidence of a break-in (we don't allow > shell accounts), and no indication in the logs of what may have > happened. > > Naturally, the list-owner is pretty unhappy. Any idea what may have > happened, and what can be done to (a) resurrect the list and/or (b) > prevent this from happening again? Have had this happen a couple of times. Usually, it is indicative of a full file system while someone is trying to subscribe/unsubscribe from the list. You can *check* the Log file that majordomo creates and use that to resurrect as much of the list as possible (have done that once), but I would recommend setting up a 'backup' procedure for your lists. I've got mine setup so that once nightly, it copies the lists to a seperate directory with a filename of 'list.', so that I have a daily backup of the current list to fall back onto...just in case Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 06:40:31 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA13497 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch [139.79.129.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id FAA13472 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ens.ascom.ch (chieftain.ens.ascom.ch [139.79.60.1]) by hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA22956 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:06:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from spbx399.ens.ascom.ch by ens.ascom.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA16804; Wed, 16 Apr 97 14:08:48 +0200 Received: from spbx09.ens.ascom.ch by spbx399.ens.ascom.ch (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10802; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:06:50 +0100 Received: by spbx09.ens.ascom.ch (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA00718; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:06:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:06:50 +0100 From: lewis@ens.ascom.ch (Mark Lewis - Ascom PSD Cardiff UK) Message-Id: <199704161206.NAA00718@spbx09.ens.ascom.ch> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Domain name problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: E2h12R5KkNVWvnCSJ0jmmw== Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi We have recently upgraded from majordomo-1.93 to majordomo-1.94. At the same time we changed os from SunOS 4.1.3_U1 to Solaris 2.5.1. We are now having problems with the address that is used for our mailing lists inside messages distributed from them. Previously (version 1.93) messages would have contained an address like:- mailing_list_name@ens.ascom.ch where ens.ascom.ch is our domain name. Since the change we see :- mailing_list_name@stva95 where stva95 is a server in the ens.ascom.ch domain. No domain address is added to the server name. If I receive mail from our mailing server at my home e-mail account I see :- mailing_list_name@stva95.my_home_isp_address.co.uk The value of the whereami for version 1.93 was :- # $whereami -- What machine am I running on? $whereami = "stva99"; For version 1.94 it is (we have changed server) # $whereami -- What machine am I running on? $whereami = "stva95"; Is this a majordomo configuration problem or a Unix problem? Many thanks Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Lewis | Phone: +44-1222-774501 | | Ascom Telecommunications Ltd | Fax: +44-1222-774500 | | Cypress Drive | Email: lewis@ens.ascom.ch | | Cardiff, CF3 0EG, UK | http://www.ascom.ch/ | ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 07:10:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA23131 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA23114 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA00628 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:02:17 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA07815; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:02:18 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? References: Date: 16 Apr 1997 10:02:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Kenneth W. Parker"'s message of Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 55 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "KWP" == Kenneth W Parker writes: KWP> I'm beginning to wonder about the "new" E-Mail formats: Someone KWP> told me that Internet Explorer 4 allows sending and receiving E-Mail KWP> using, for example, Active-X (as if HTML format E-Mail isn't bad KWP> enough on our lists). Is THAT programmable enough for at least a KWP> trojan horse? Yes, and you nailed it: such programs (that's right, they're PROGRAMS that are EXECUTED) are trojan horses. Or those programs themselves may become infected by viruses and spread if you mail them. But plain, ordinary electronic mail is not executed, and viruses cannot "infect" such (except in one specific case). KWP> I'm afraid someone's going to write a programmable E-Mail reader KWP> JUST so that they can prove everyone wrong about E-Mail virii! :-( Viruses (not virii; it is not Latin) can only spread if they are executed. Such a reader already exists. GNU Emacs has a feature where a lisp form at the end of a file may be automatically evaled (executed) when it is read into a buffer. I have seen a couple of variations of the "GNU Emacs Signature Virus" which copies itself to one's .signature file and spreads through that. But there are a couple of things to remember about this: * It only "infects" your .signature if you use a GNU Emacs mail reader *and* enable-local-eval is non-nil. enable-local-eval defaults to either nil (ignore the appended form) or something other than t (query before evaluating). * The "virus" is obviously there since it becomes part of your signature. This is really the same case as the Mickeysoft "active" readers. Programs are embedded in or attached to mail messages, and the reader in some fashion executes that code, which causes the virus code to be executed and allows it to spread. If you never execute programs that are sent via mail you will never be infected by an "email virus". -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1Tb556VRH7BJMxHAQE8CgQAi7TcO8IGlJoG1CNsl3gPUiGq6FaINb9I ioEAeiSzDnB4C+nEuYK34orIA/M7Bc8yfu3Oo5nVxEoiffIG6BNDUnmI8hcvDD9q 2Fvs1F5YXa8h1n3K8Juzi+4XDs7+LLzilkahoSdZQ9l6M45P4p6PTOkbSiwdbt5W SgQncGciJq0= =uYFm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 07:25:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA24600 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boss.databook.usa1.com (boss.databook.usa1.com [205.247.32.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA24572 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minuteman.databook.com (minuteman.databook.com [205.247.32.101]) by boss.databook.usa1.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA13716 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:19:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by minuteman.databook.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA06596; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:12:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199704161412.KAA06596@minuteman.databook.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (MajorDomo Users) Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:29:27 -0000." <3354C627.41C6@stuttgart.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:12:30 -0400 From: Jim Reisert Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Whether it's a myth or not, just add the word 'virus' to your taboo headers and taboo body (either global or list-specific) and move on with your lives. - Jim -- Jim Reisert SMC Massachusetts, Danvers, MA http://www.tiac.net/users/ad1c/ http://www.smc.com/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 07:37:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA25961 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA25947 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA01206 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:21:43 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA08351; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:21:43 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth? References: <3354C627.41C6@stuttgart.de> Date: 16 Apr 1997 10:21:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: Marc Musse's message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:29:27 +0000 Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "MM" == Marc Musse writes: MM> Mail clients like Navigator do not only display Mail, they can also MM> "execute" inline links, immediately without any action from the user. And therein lies the problem. Anything that automatically executes foreign code on a system without user intervention is a security hole the size of the Grand Canyon. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1TgdZ6VRH7BJMxHAQHznQP+MTXAsTUIObYazdsROC2MYaQj9qfFqv74 gGi+KdfcwYi/z2CvuaNORb05GraWYB7eKGPp/dAK/Hp3qH9QjeCSeO8ESCnRqKBe x8TKe0+U7YLZ0+uTVHB+VIQujtdMOCvZoEW12vhJsBFMIXAs7dB389HO8/EWxsLs TZSi5HaxXfw= =S+qu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 07:40:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA24903 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from berean.berean.net (berean.berean.net [207.48.63.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA24668 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scott.berean.net (SLT [207.48.63.5]) by berean.berean.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA21812; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704161411.JAA21812@berean.berean.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Scott Thomas" Organization: Berean Solutions, Inc. To: "Timothy B. Doyle" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:13:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Missing list file CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19970416065745.009db144@204.214.7.1> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who replied so quickly. since my nightly backups don't seem to have a copy of the list (I'm not done looking yet, though), it is clear that I need to follow the suggestions of scripting a list backup. Funny, though... I _am_ getting an occasional disk full error on that partition, yet there _seems_ to be plenty of room on it when I check. Scott > > >Yesterday I had reason to manually inspect the list, and found 24 > >names on the list. There is no evidence of a break-in (we don't allow > >shell accounts), and no indication in the logs of what may have > >happened. > > I have seen this happen to my lists as well. From what I can tell, if the > system runs out of disk space and Majordomo attempts to update the list, > the list can (will?) be lost. I am not a Majordomo expert, and there may be > other explanations for this problem. I, however, have learned to make > backups of my list periodically (by sending a WHO listname) and keeping it > along with all of the subscribe/unsubscribe messages. This way, I can > recreate the list if needed. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Tim Doyle > tdoyle@doit.com / tdoyle@netcom.com > > WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ > ftp directory: doit.com pub/tdoyle > > > --------------------------- Scott L. Thomas Berean Solutions, Inc. "*The* Internet Solution" http://www.berean.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 07:49:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA25316 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.means.net (orion.means.net [206.9.64.100]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id HAA25309 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ChrisJ.MEANS (dogbert.means.net [206.147.1.18]) by orion.means.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA19620; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:21:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704161421.JAA19620@orion.means.net> From: "Chris Josephes" To: "Marc Musse" , Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:13:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Marc Musse > To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth? > Date: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 7:29 AM > > Kynn Bartlett wrote: > > > > At 05:00 PM 4/14/97 -0600, Ing E Palomar Lever wrote: > > >To Ing E Palomar Lever > > >Via an inexplicably circuitous route, I received your e-mail denouncing > > >message-borne viruses as being a load of balls. I would dearly love to > > >believe you, except for what happened to a colleague of mine only a few > > >days ago. > > >>"AOL4FREE.COM". [crap snipped] > > >He just read the mail, and that's what happened. > > > > No, you are wrong and misinformed, and probably a bit gullible. > > Your friend is either being misunderstood by you, or you are > > lying. This did _not_ happen to your friend, and I'll eat this > > message if it did > > > > I really believe, this happened. While this is probably getting off topic..... If I'm not mistaken, wasn't AOL4FREE a program used by a student to prevent being charged for using AOL services? IMHO, this hoax looks just like another "Good Times". Virus warnings and the like need some form of honest means of verification, and in order to be verified, more info on how this "virus" works is needed, instead of just a blind warning. > Mail clients like Navigator do not only display Mail, they can also > "execute" inline links, immediately without any action from the user. > When you open Netscape Mail-Client, the first mail is automatically > displayed. If there is an attachment, e.g. a html-page it is > displayed, too. If there is Java, Java-Script or any other > statement, that can be executed by the browser it is done! > And if there is mallicious code in it .... Just out of curiosity, I did a test with NS Communicator 4b3 with some test images, one of which was a "hit counter". In cases where the image was referenced through a link and not by a embedding the data, the counter did not increment for some reason (the server I accessed did have restricted access settings on the counter). I suppose there is a possibility of referencing a Java applet that would hog CPU cycles, or an ActiveX control that would do who knows what. I didn't test embedding a java applet because I couldn't think of the URL for one offhand. > > Remember, we only opened the client, we couldn`t even choose to > ignore the e-mail, it was just EXECUTED. > > You can improve protection a bit by showing attachments as links > and not inline, which is the default setting! (I wonder why) > > Kynn: bbtw. Hope your stomach feels not too bad :-) > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > - Dipl.-Inf. Marc Musse > - Network-Security-Consultant > - Seicom GmbH > - e-Mail: musse@seicom.net,ms@stuttgart.de,ms@musse.de > ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 07:55:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA00692 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from IQSC.COM (iqgate.iqsc.com [205.164.232.190]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id HAA00670 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from data by IQSC.COM with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0wHW0u-000RXUC; Wed, 16 Apr 97 10:48 EDT Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:48:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Milt Webb, IQ Software" X-Sender: milt@data Reply-To: "Milt Webb, IQ Software" cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 16 Apr 1997, Rich Pieri wrote: > ..snipped.. > This is really the same case as the Mickeysoft "active" readers. Programs > are embedded in or attached to mail messages, and the reader in some > fashion executes that code, which causes the virus code to be executed and > allows it to spread. If you never execute programs that are sent via mail > you will never be infected by an "email virus". You and I may never execute an unknown embedded program like the one you mention above. However, in any given organization there mightbe a large percentage of email users who might think nothing of hitting that link in the message. In the case of the naive corporate user it might just as well be considered a 'true' email virus... Am I wrong? Milt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ milt webb - iq software corporation - 3295 river exchange drive norcross, georgia usa 30092 - 770/446-8880x245 - www.iqsc.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 08:25:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA07149 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.kreative.net ([208.0.26.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA07125 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: gnat@ns.kreative.net Received: from nt (nt.kreative.net [208.0.26.5]) by ns.kreative.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05540 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3354EE88.2114@ns.kreative.net> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:21:44 -0400 Reply-To: gnat@ns.kreative.net Organization: Kreative Access Internet Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: multiple owners Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk MJ users, Multiple owners of a list. Im confused. Im looking in the README file and there is a *tricks section on multiple moderator/owner and Im confused on how to set it up ok I have a list called test so I created a test-owner list; closed and unadvertised then in the aliases file I set up owner-test::include:/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94/lists/test-owner test-owner: gnat owner-owner-test: owner-majordomo and all the owners would be in that list?? but Im getting warnings when I do "newaliases" what the heck am i doing wrong?? rich from kreative access From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 08:39:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA05007 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA04913 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from picard.insite.co.uk (picard.verity.com [192.168.70.35]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA05384 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:56:07 GMT Received: by picard.insite.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC4A78.9C9BABF0@picard.insite.co.uk>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:12:34 -0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: internet virus - A myth??? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:11:16 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >In the case of the naive corporate user it might just as >well be considered a 'true' email virus... Am I wrong? > Don't know, don't care either. Can we get this list back to majordomo issues, please? This 'virus' has wreaked its havoc enough here already - by taking up unnecssary email bandwidth for days on end while people talk about it. Peter From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 08:54:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA04680 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA04592 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [204.255.212.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id IAA22107 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA00807; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:09:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Old X-Sender: fold@mail Reply-To: Chip Old To: Majordomo-Users List Subject: Re: Domain name problems In-Reply-To: <199704161206.NAA00718@spbx09.ens.ascom.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Change the value of $whereami to the full domain name. Whether this is a Majordomo problem, a UNIX (or more specifically Solaris) problem, or a system configuration problem is sure to generate a lot of debate. Better duck! On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Mark Lewis - Ascom PSD Cardiff UK wrote: > We have recently upgraded from majordomo-1.93 to majordomo-1.94. > At the same time we changed os from SunOS 4.1.3_U1 to Solaris > 2.5.1. We are now having problems with the address that is used > for our mailing lists inside messages distributed from them. > > [snip] > > Since the change we see :- > > mailing_list_name@stva95 > > where stva95 is a server in the ens.ascom.ch domain. No domain > address is added to the server name. > > [snip] > > The value of the whereami for version 1.93 was :- > > # $whereami -- What machine am I running on? > $whereami = "stva99"; > > For version 1.94 it is (we have changed server) > > # $whereami -- What machine am I running on? > $whereami = "stva95"; > > Is this a majordomo configuration problem or a Unix problem? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Administrator, Internetworking Services Voice: 410-887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: 410-887-2091 320 York Road ICBM: 39.39910 North Towson, Maryland 21204 U.S.A. 76.60300 West From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 09:25:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA12428 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA12358 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA21890; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:44:48 -0500 (CDT) To: Dominique FRISE Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: "who" for list-owner of private list References: <199704161132.NAA11932@cisun26.unil.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Apr 1997 10:44:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Dominique FRISE's message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:32:35 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DF" == Dominique FRISE writes: DF> How can we change this? Run the current version, perhaps? The list owner can approve a who whether or not they are a member of the list. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 09:34:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA12636 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA12420 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA21962; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:46:33 -0500 (CDT) To: "Gwendolyn M. Pine" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: running mmdf... References: <199704161210.FAA13772@honor.greatcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Apr 1997 10:46:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Gwendolyn M. Pine"'s message of Wed, 16 Apr 97 8:05:49 EDT Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "GMP" == Gwendolyn M Pine writes: GMP> can someone point me to a faq file that specifically addresses GMP> majordomo running with mmdf? There's a bit of into in O'Reilly's Managing Internet Information Systems book. Not much, mind you, and I've always ignored it because I know nothing about MMDF. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 10:30:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA14075 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siu.cen.buap.mx (siu.buap.mx [148.228.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA13921 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labpar1.cs.buap.mx ([148.228.20.4]) by siu.cen.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12185; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:05:35 GMT Received: from localhost by labpar1.cs.buap.mx (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01286; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:50:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:50:54 -0600 (CST) From: Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez To: Chris Josephes Cc: Marc Musse , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Counters (was: Re: internet virus - A myth?) In-Reply-To: <199704161421.JAA19620@orion.means.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Chris Josephes wrote: > Just out of curiosity, I did a test with NS Communicator 4b3 with some > test images, one of which was a "hit counter". In cases where the > image was referenced through a link and not by a embedding the data, > the counter did not increment for some reason (the server I accessed > did have restricted access settings on the counter). Certainly, with Netscape Communicator 4 bx the hit counters which are used as inline images (f.ex Musquit's one with this sintax: ) don't work. They simply don't show other thing than 8888888 !!. Saludos!. PS. Sorry for the off topic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez. Fac. de Ciencias de la Computacion. B.U.A.P. e-mail: rodolfo@siu.cen.buap.mx al103@solarium.cs.buap.mx rgg@labpar1.cs.buap.mx oxygene@geocities.com WWW: http://labpar1.cs.buap.mx/~rgg/ (IP: 148.228.20.4) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/9915/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 10:42:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA17003 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA12130 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.eunet.ch (mail.eunet.ch [146.228.10.7]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id IAA22221 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyna-wt-51.dial.eunet.ch by mail.eunet.ch (8.8.3/1.34) id PAA20291; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:15:15 GMT Message-Id: <199704161515.PAA20291@mail.eunet.ch> X-Sender: drwier@pop.eunet.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:15:42 +0200 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Dennis Wier Subject: Doesn't send the list... Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a newly installed Majordomo which seems to do many of the things it is supposed to, it will even distribute messages on the local machine (for other lists), but this one - trance - it won't. Messages just stay in the mail queue ... This is the majordomo config-test result: ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- Config-test for Majordomo ---------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- Obvious things: --------------------- ------------------ environment variables ------------------ HOME=/usr/local/mail/majordomo LOGNAME=majordom MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/local/mail/majordomo/majordomo.cf PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/mail/majordomo SHELL=/bin/sh USER=majordom --------------------- euid/egid checks --------------------- effective user = majordom (uid 3) effective group = daemon daemon (gid 2 2 ) ---------------------- uid/gid checks ---------------------- real user = majordom (uid 3) real group = daemon daemon (gid 2 2 ) ------------------------------------------------------------ Non obvious things that cause headaches: ------------------------------------------------------------ Good: 'require'd /usr/local/mail/majordomo/majordomo.cf okay. Good: found ctime.pl okay. Good: found majordomo_version.pl okay. Good: found majordomo.pl okay. Good: found shlock.pl okay. Good: found config_parse.pl okay. You're running Majordomo Version 1.94.1. --==> Majordomo home directory is /usr/local/mail/majordomo. ------------------- Include directories ------------------- /usr/local/mail/majordomo /usr/lib/perl5/i586-linux/5.003 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/i586-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl . --------------------------- Home --------------------------- Good: changedir to /usr/local/mail/majordomo succeeded. Good: Created a mock lock file. ---------------------- temp directory ---------------------- Good: Created a temp file in $TMPDIR (/usr/tmp). ---------------------- list directory ---------------------- Good: list directory /home/majordomo/lists has good permissions. --------------------------- log --------------------------- Good: logfile /usr/local/mail/majordomo/Log exists and is writeable. ------------------------- Mailers ------------------------- You have defined a mailer for delivery. Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. You have defined a mailer for delivering administrative messages. Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. ------------------ Checking majordomo.cf ------------------ Checking to see if there are new variables that should be in your majordomo.cf file...Nope, none that I see. Have you configured where Majordomo is? $whereami is trance.ch Good: yup! ----------------------- end of tests ----------------------- Nothing bad found! Majordomo _should_ work correctly. ... This is verbose output from smail when it tries to send to the list: new_hash_table: tablelen:241 life:0 flag:1 open_spool(/var/spool/smail/input/0wHNlJ-000CFIa) called opened and locked spool file /var/spool/smail/input/0wHNlJ-000CFIa read_message called seek_spool(0) called read arg vectors from spool file (at 31) read vector <-oem> from spool file read vector <-f> from spool file read vector from spool file read vector <-oMP> from spool file read vector from spool file read vector from spool file read_from_lines called (offset=99) seek_spool(99) called calling read_header (offset=99) body starts at 596 preparse_address(owner-trance@trance.ch) entry: preparse address returns: owner-trance@trance.ch parse_address called: address=owner-trance@trance.ch hash_predelivered_addresses called... scan_msg_log returns: Xsucceed: parent: preparse_address(/home/majordomo/archive/trance/trance) entry: preparse address returns: /home/majordomo/archive/trance/trance parse_address called: address=/home/majordomo/archive/trance/trance parse_address: LOCAL: remainder=/home/majordomo/archive/trance/trance scan_msg_log returns: Xsucceed: <"|/usr/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m preparse_address((null)) entry: preparse_address found error bad address token: returns (null) do_run_queue: finished Ah hah! What does this bad address mean? Would this bad address prevent the list from being sent? This is from majordomo Log: Apr 15 08:07:42 trance.ch majordomo[14716] {Therapoet@aol.com} WARNING shlock: unlink('/usr/local/mail/majordomo/L.Log'): No such file or directory I don't know if this is pertenent. It seems that Majordomo has a life of its own, sometimes having problems with locks, other times not. It also seems to require trance.new to be present, although there is nothing in this file. What is this file for and why should it be there? This is a snippette from aliases: # # List: trance # owner-trance: drwier owner-trance-digest: owner-trance owner-trance-digest-outgoing: owner-trance owner-trance-outgoing: owner-trance owner-trance-request: owner-trance owner-trance-archive: owner-trance trance-owner: drwier trance-approval: drwier trance: "|/usr/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -R -l trance -h trance.ch -s trance-outgoing" trance-outgoing::include:/home/majordomo/lists/trance, trance-archive "|/usr/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l trance-digest trance-digest-outgoing", "|/usr/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /home/majordomo/archive/trance/trance" trance-digest: trance trance-digest-approval: trance-approval trance-digest-outgoing::include:/home/majordomo/lists/trance-digest trance-digest-request: "|/usr/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper request-answer trance-digest" trance-archive: /home/majordomo/archive/trance/trance trance-request: "|/usr/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper request-answer trance" # What's wrong here? Majordomo will not send out the list, tho it will receive and reply to requests to subscribe, etc. Thus, if I post to the list, it seems never to be sent to the mailing list. It just sits in the mail queue forever. Why? Any suggestions as to what is wrong? Or where I might look and check? Thanks for your help. Dennis Wier From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 11:11:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA08300 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web.webcoach.com (web.webcoach.com [204.245.253.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA08238 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogens.webcoach.com (mogens.webcoach.com [204.245.253.12]) by web.webcoach.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27461 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970416110249.00867d10@mail.webcoach.com> X-Sender: mogens@mail.webcoach.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:02:49 -0700 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: "Mogens L. Gilmour" Subject: Duplicate messages when posting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, One of my largest lists has a problem when sending out a posting it will get caught in a loop and keep reposting until i kill the list. One suggestion was that my sendmail (8.8.5) que time was to short (10 minutes) and that somehow name resolution was taking longer..... not sure i understand this. Does anyone have experience with this and knows exactly what is going and how to ensure it doens't happen. Perl5.003 Majordomo 1.94.1 Sendmail 8.8.5 Thanks, mogens gilmour _______________________________________________ Free Web Page With Our Domain Account - Call TODAY! WebCoach Internet Services Corporation Your Professional Internet Presence Provider Mogens L. Gilmour 503/655-6813 (talk) 503/655-6907 (fax) http://www.webcoach.com Info@WebCoach.com ========================================== From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 12:10:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA16294 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA16275 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA09439 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:04:45 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA16122; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:04:45 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Duplicate messages when posting References: <3.0.1.32.19970416110249.00867d10@mail.webcoach.com> Date: 16 Apr 1997 15:04:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Mogens L. Gilmour"'s message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:02:49 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 65 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "MLG" == Mogens L Gilmour writes: MLG> One suggestion was that my sendmail (8.8.5) que time was to short (10 MLG> minutes) and that somehow name resolution was taking longer..... not MLG> sure i understand this. A little background: sendmail puts messages into a queue. Each queue entry consists of a message file and a control file. The message file (obviously) contains the message; the control file contains the list of recipients. When a queue run begins processing a particular message the control file is read into memory. After each successful delivery the recipient is removed from this in RAM copy of the control file. After "checkpoint" recipients have been processed the in RAM copy of the control file is written out to disk. This makes sendmail faster than if it was constantly reading and writing to disk while still retaining reliability if the machine crashes. Scenario: sendmail is processing the queue. Another instance of a queue-processing sendmail begins. This new instance reads the last-written control file. Now there are two (or more!) copies of sendmail processing the same control file. Since no instance of sendmail knows about the others, all will go on processing their local copies of the control file. The result: Multiple copies of the message go out to many recipients. The solutions: Increase the queue run interval so that one instance of sendmail finishes before the next starts. Another thing to do is to install a caching nameserver on the same machine; this will dramatically speed up sendmail as it will be able to retrieve MX data more quickly from itself then a remote DNS server. Finally, you can use something like bulk_mail which sorts the recipient list before being fed to sendmail. v8 sendmail is "smart"; it will cache connections (keep them open) to a machine for a brief period. If multiple messages are to be delivered to a particular site this caching of connections means that there is only the overhead of making the connection once. Additionally, bulk_mail splits up the job into small chunks. This requires more disk space but less memory, and 10 20-recipient control files can be processed faster than a single 200-recipient control file. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1Uiy56VRH7BJMxHAQEqYQQAqdJ5CH3bB0eD61z8tcqGpFUMSBpRw9iL I8mqO3lnsAv2V8sOh073E8uUQU2ldgrljSqLQ1Wiyxwr0H0ybjLG2/j4RFzbXD/C jWhQAb6C9fyPWU14XMVFaVfqtnOSMhyoEhVdY70cjVN/OnJQX0nCso0pvF8F7QnA 4MH8Dr7+nno= =Ssl8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 15:25:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA13761 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA13653 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA04835; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:08:54 -0500 (CDT) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Duplicate messages when posting References: <3.0.1.32.19970416110249.00867d10@mail.webcoach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Apr 1997 17:08:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: Rich Pieri's message of 16 Apr 1997 15:04:44 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RP" == Rich Pieri writes: RP> sendmail is processing the queue. Another instance of a RP> queue-processing sendmail begins. This new instance reads the RP> last-written control file. Now there are two (or more!) copies of RP> sendmail processing the same control file. Note that this doesn't happen with a correctly configured sendmail running on an OS with stable locking. The various sendmail daemons will lock each other out and only one will access a queued message at a time. Unfortunately misconfigured systems exist and the result is this kind of duplication. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 15:39:51 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA17221 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fish.grin.net (fish.grin.net [206.169.121.26]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA17177 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rururudy@localhost) by fish.grin.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07184 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Rudy Rucker To: majordomo users Subject: Installation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm having troubles with sendmail... What is my Local configuration error?!? SunOS 5.5.1 All I know about my senmail is: -r-sr-x--x 1 root bin 235272 May 3 1996 sendmail How do I find the version? Thanks in Advance, Rudy HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE PROBLEMS I"M HAVING: ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 553 gisun2. config error: mail loops back to myself 554 ... Local configuration error ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: Received: from fish.grin.net by gisun2. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA12215; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:05:14 GMT Received: (from rururudy@localhost) by fish.grin.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA06259 for majordomo@gisun2.genuity.net; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:07:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Rudy Rucker Message-Id: <199704162207.PAA06259@fish.grin.net> To: majordomo@gisun2.domain.com content-length: 26 subscribe sample ================================================================= Rudy Rucker `''`''`'``'`'`'`''`'`'`'`'''```''` `'` rururudy@grin.net ''` ''`'`''`'````''`''`''``'`''``'''`' Be sure to look at: http://www.eso.org/comet-hale-bopp/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 15:55:37 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA17933 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescientteh.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id PAA17923 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescientteh.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA14112 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:38:48 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA22059; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:38:48 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Duplicate messages when posting References: <3.0.1.32.19970416110249.00867d10@mail.webcoach.com> Date: 16 Apr 1997 18:38:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: Jason L Tibbitts III's message of 16 Apr 1997 17:08:53 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes: JLT> Note that this doesn't happen with a correctly configured sendmail JLT> running on an OS with stable locking. The various sendmail daemons JLT> will lock each other out and only one will access a queued message at JLT> a time. Agreed. I have never had this type of problem with berkeley v8 sendmail, even when deliberately invoking a queue run. Unfortunately most vendors ship berkely v5 sendmail or a variant based on that version, and the administrators do not wish to install a modern sendmail over it (no vender support, for instance). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1VU9p6VRH7BJMxHAQHEngQAjezzjZ0+PMClflfzmueV7w78fmtubqXd LID3VSHr9Lzb73tHpGPAF3gBnOulivzyJ7uQspZ5V1bgMKsDNU0K24ZWf2YyQH5e tRouhfnEOq35OtA/+gniD6XYWeos71LzuCacqOESpYjryGhDNPuENf9NP8sw+Z5P aQN4GoSm0io= =+pjE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 20:39:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA28701 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.traken.com (traken.com [206.26.158.155]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id UAA28648 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.traken.com ([192.168.2.12]) by sol.traken.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03282 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:26:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199704170326.XAA03282@sol.traken.com> Reply-To: From: "Darryl L. Pierce" To: "MajorDomo" Subject: Archiving? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:30:49 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm still relatively new to Majordomo (I have it running two lists and that's all I've done so far), but I want to do something a little more exotic than that: I would like to be able to store each message as it comes in to a single HTML styled file. How would this be done? Is it simple or difficult to set up? Any help is appreciated. =) --- Darryl L. Pierce (mailto:keeper@sol.traken.com) Visit my website, http://www.traken.com/~keeper "Neither Heaven nor Hell...will be found in the tail of a comet." - Harlan Ellison From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 21:54:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA07921 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.oulu.fi (lists.oulu.fi [130.231.241.85]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id VAA07906 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mhotti@localhost) by lists.oulu.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA08266; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:49:52 +0300 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:49:51 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Hotti X-Sender: mhotti@majordomo.oulu.fi To: "Darryl L. Pierce" cc: MajorDomo Subject: Re: Archiving? In-Reply-To: <199704170326.XAA03282@sol.traken.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > I would like to be able to store each message as it comes in to a single > HTML styled file. How would this be done? Is it simple or difficult to set > up? Any help is appreciated. =) This is becoming a FAQ... :) Try MHonArc which is written in Perl and works splendidly with MIME messages as well. Take a look at: http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.doc.html Marko Hotti System Administrator / Medical Student / Vocalist & Pianist -- Phones: +358 40 552 8415 (mobile) +358 8 530 4268 (home) +358 8 312 7172 (otho) SnailMail: Tervontie 4 C 11, FIN-90230 OULU, Finland Public PGP encryption key available on request --> mhotti@lists.oulu.fi www.lists.oulu.fi (list services home page) www.cc.oulu.fi/~mhotti (personal) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Apr 16 22:28:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA08883 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id VAA08846 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA13760; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:57:33 -0500 (CDT) To: Cc: "MajorDomo" Subject: Re: Archiving? References: <199704170326.XAA03282@sol.traken.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Apr 1997 23:57:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Darryl L. Pierce"'s message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:30:49 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DLP" == Darryl L Pierce writes: DLP> I would like to be able to store each message as it comes in to a DLP> single HTML styled file. How would this be done? Is it simple or DLP> difficult to set up? Any help is appreciated. =) There are several ways: You can periodically run MHonArc or HyperMail (do a web search to find them) over the archives generated by the the standard archive2.pl script. This is how I generate the searchable archives for this list. (The front end and search engine are separate code, though.) Grab HyperMail and the hyperarchive script recently posted here. The searchable archives are at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users. You can find plenty of good information there. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 01:39:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id BAA03182 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id BAA03175 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from picard.insite.co.uk (picard.verity.com [192.168.70.35]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA08600 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:15:02 GMT Received: by picard.insite.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC4B09.C1F6FF30@picard.insite.co.uk>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:31:34 -0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: Duplicate messages when posting Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:31:16 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk It used to happen with 8.6.9 sendmail on old (1.x) Linux systems - I don't remember the exact details, but there was a problem with Linux's implementation of one of the file locking mechanisms, which happened to be the one that sendmail used by default. The fix was to rebuild sendmail with an option that caused it to use a different locking strategy. This problem went away many Linuxes ago, though. Peter >---------- >From: Rich Pieri[SMTP:rich.pieri@prescienttech.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 10:38 PM >To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >Subject: Re: Duplicate messages when posting > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>>>> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes: > >JLT> Note that this doesn't happen with a correctly configured sendmail >JLT> running on an OS with stable locking. The various sendmail daemons >JLT> will lock each other out and only one will access a queued message at >JLT> a time. > >Agreed. I have never had this type of problem with berkeley v8 sendmail, >even when deliberately invoking a queue run. Unfortunately most vendors >ship berkely v5 sendmail or a variant based on that version, and the >administrators do not wish to install a modern sendmail over it (no vender >support, for instance). > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 4.0 Business Edition >Charset: noconv > >iQCVAwUBM1VU9p6VRH7BJMxHAQHEngQAjezzjZ0+PMClflfzmueV7w78fmtubqXd >LID3VSHr9Lzb73tHpGPAF3gBnOulivzyJ7uQspZ5V1bgMKsDNU0K24ZWf2YyQH5e >tRouhfnEOq35OtA/+gniD6XYWeos71LzuCacqOESpYjryGhDNPuENf9NP8sw+Z5P >aQN4GoSm0io= >=+pjE >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >-- >Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball >Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special >A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under >I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 03:10:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA03430 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hq.seicom.de (mail.seicom.NET [194.97.200.30]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id CAA03409 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from communicator by hq.seicom.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0wHnzR-002OiIC; Thu, 17 Apr 97 12:00 MET DST Received: by communicator; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA26074; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:03:09 +0200 Message-Id: <33560FFF.446B@stuttgart.de> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:56:47 +0000 From: Marc Musse Organization: Seicom GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; AIX 1) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Bowyer Cc: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Peter Bowyer wrote: > > >In the case of the naive corporate user it might just as > >well be considered a 'true' email virus... Am I wrong? > > > > Don't know, don't care either. Can we get this list back to majordomo > issues, please? This 'virus' has wreaked its havoc enough here already - > by taking up unnecssary email bandwidth for days on end while people > talk about it. Imagine I send such an "e-mail" to your list with 1000 users. Would you be in trouble? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- - Dipl.-Inf. Marc Musse - Network-Security-Consultant - Seicom GmbH - e-Mail: musse@seicom.net,ms@stuttgart.de,ms@musse.de ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 03:14:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA03238 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from troi.cc.rochester.edu (troi.cc.rochester.edu [128.151.219.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id CAA03187 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kenr@localhost) by troi.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA05735; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 05:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 05:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704170955.FAA05735@troi.cc.rochester.edu> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? From: kenr@cc.rochester.edu Reply-to: kenr@cc.rochester.edu Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Re-post: please pardon the bandwidth snarfing. posted before with bad subj. Reply-to: Me; i will summarize (if i get any responses!) (yo! anybody there?) What's Your Policy? Survey on bulk email We are getting more and more requests to construct large mailing lists encompassing large segments of our student body. In the interests of not hammering the mail spool partition and not cluttering email boxes with junk mail we try to shunt these requests towards a local news group type solutions. We finally caved in for one administrative department that did not have the budget to put flyers in every student postal mail box, and was experiencing very poor results from using news groups to advertise. They promised to keep traffic low and messages small. Recent postings to majordomo-users about list monitoring should help us help them keep their promises; thanks y'all. However the existence of these new large mailing lists is causing a new surge in requests for such bulk mailing services. We fear that we have opened Pandora's mbox. Anyway, what i would like is: 1. Anyone reading this who has access to policies on large mailing list creation and use, and has the right to distribute copies: could you send me a copy of your policies? 2. This message contains a survey on bulk mail technology and practice. If you can't send me policy, maybe you could answer a question or 2 from this survey and get it back to me. Thanks!!! -Start of Survey-------------------------------------------------------------- What architectures/OS's do you distribute bulk email from? What architectures/OS's do users receive bulk email on? Does your organization use bulk email as a major means of internal information distribution? If so what complaints to you hear from information distributors? From information recipients? If your organization is an educational institution, how do your bulk email policies differ for students, staff, faculty, administrators? Do you wish you could eliminate or tone down such differences? Do you wish you could increase such differences? What policies or customs govern the size of and traffic on bulk email mlists? What is the maximum size allowed for a list? What is the maximum size allowed for a list whose members are primarily on your own machines? What message size and frequency limits work for your site? How do you enforce frequency limits? What limits do you wish you could enforce? What limits do your users complain about? What other mlist management tools or policies do you wish you had? What kinds of mail spool management tools and policies do you use? How long can personal email sit out in the public mail spool area? For an active user account? For a dormant one? How much personal email can sit out in the public mail spool area? Do you age and delete users' personal email messages left out in the system spool area? If so, do the users complain about this? How do you age and delete messages? Do you do this only for certain classes of messages? Do you offer and promote utilities or services for the management of personal email sitting out in the public spool area, such as aging, deleting, filtering incoming email? To what extent do the users take advantage of these utilities and services? Does your organization use a system-wide email spool (a single mail spool that everyone reads like a bulletin board) as a major means of internal information distribution? How well does that work for the information distributors and the information recipients? What other methods of internal information distribution does your organization use? If your organization uses news, how well does that work for the information distributors and the information recipients? If your organization uses an internal web site, how well does that work for information distributors and the information recipients? From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 04:43:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA11071 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id EAA11064 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from picard.insite.co.uk (picard.verity.com [192.168.70.35]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09082 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:11:31 GMT Received: by picard.insite.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC4B22.69D095A0@picard.insite.co.uk>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:28:03 -0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: internet virus - A myth??? Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:27:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Yes. But I'd discuss it on one of the many mailing lists which specialize in such matters - list-managers, list-mom, list-abuse, SPAM-L etc. I wouldn't discuss it on the Majordomo support list. Nor will I, any more. Peter >---------- >From: Marc Musse[SMTP:ms@stuttgart.de] >Sent: Thursday, April 17, 1997 11:56 AM >To: Peter Bowyer >Cc: 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com' >Subject: Re: internet virus - A myth??? > >Peter Bowyer wrote: >> >> >In the case of the naive corporate user it might just as >> >well be considered a 'true' email virus... Am I wrong? >> > >> >> Don't know, don't care either. Can we get this list back to majordomo >> issues, please? This 'virus' has wreaked its havoc enough here already - >> by taking up unnecssary email bandwidth for days on end while people >> talk about it. > >Imagine I send such an "e-mail" to your list with 1000 users. >Would you be in trouble? > >-- >----------------------------------------------------------- >- Dipl.-Inf. Marc Musse >- Network-Security-Consultant >- Seicom GmbH >- e-Mail: musse@seicom.net,ms@stuttgart.de,ms@musse.de >----------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 08:29:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA06427 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.state.mn.us (mail.state.mn.us [204.73.26.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id IAA06389 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roman.state.mn.us by mail.state.mn.us; Thu, 17 Apr 97 10:18:37 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970417152716.006c9030@mail.state.mn.us> X-Sender: roman@mail.state.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:27:16 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Roman Richardson Subject: Handling return receipts Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I was wondering what people do with return receipts? We've got a few users on systems that generate a return receipt everyt ime a message is sent to them. Unfortuantely the address that the receipt is sent back to is "Return-Path:" which points back to the actual majordomo. Is there a way to rewrite the "Return-Path:" header so that it points to the list owner? Thanks, Roman --- Roman Richardson Information Technology Specialist 4 Dept. of Administration / InterTechnologies Group From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 08:39:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA06762 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA06745 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (les@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA17282; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:21:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id KAA24497; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:21:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199704171521.KAA24497@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Subject: Re: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? To: kenr@cc.rochester.edu Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:21:09 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199704170955.FAA05735@troi.cc.rochester.edu> from "kenr@cc.rochester.edu" at Apr 17, 97 05:55:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > We are getting more and more requests to construct large mailing lists > encompassing large segments of our student body. In the interests of > not hammering the mail spool partition and not cluttering email boxes > with junk mail we try to shunt these requests towards a local news group > type solutions. I think we need a technological answer to this kind of problem. If you could replace all your mailers at once it might work to teach the delivery program to store one message per file and do multiple recipients on the same machine with links. But since that isn't likely and you may not have everyone on the same host/filesystem anyway, how about a scheme like this: Postings to the list go (only) to a web-browsable archive through something like Mhonarc. Subscribers receive a notification containg only the sender, subject, and URL of the archived copy. Digests handle multiple lists, digest subscribers would only receive messages at fixed intervals if postings have been made to any of the lists they are watching. These would contain only lists of the URLS for new postings. Most up-to-date mailers know how to launch a browser when you click on a URL in a message, and even if they won't it is a simple cut and paste operation in any windowing system. You could still allow direct subscriptions to lists for the browser-impaired too. The only thing that should take any real change to Majordomo would be the digest version that spans lists, although if someone wanted to use this for serious notification purposes they might want to allow some sort of short 'summary' to pass through that could be a bit longer than a subject line. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 08:40:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA07667 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lsi.lsil.com (lsi.lsil.com [147.145.40.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA07645 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mhost.lsil.com (mhost.lsil.com [147.145.69.84]) by lsi.lsil.com with SMTP id IAA10892 (8.6.12/IDA-1.6 for ); Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:13:00 -0700 Received: from bgs1.lsil.com by mhost.lsil.com id AA07300 (4.1/SMI-4.1 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM); Thu, 17 Apr 97 08:12:22 PDT Received: from bgs1 by bgs1.lsil.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA07837; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:12:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199704171512.KAA07837@bgs1.lsil.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: archiving to HTML and searching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:12:17 -0500 From: Michael Minter Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Folks, I'd like to be able to convert my various list archives to HTML docs and then enable a search engine to work on them. I've got MHonArc working fine but I still need a search engine and suggestions on how to setup my WWW site directories for searching. Anyone got suggestions on how to do this? I really like the search engine used for the Majordomo-Users list. Can someone direct me to the source for this? Thanks, Michael From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 09:25:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA11753 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.kreative.net ([208.0.26.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA11693 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnat@localhost) by ns.kreative.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) id PAA11183; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:48:55 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:48:54 +0000 () From: Richard Dierlam To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: mulitiple .info files Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Oh great MJ users I have a list that sends out Monthly newletters. If new members join the list in the middle of the month, I would like for them to get the most recent issue, in their welcome to my list post. I know the easy way would be to change the .info file, but is there a way to include two .info files into into the welcome post?? rich from kreative access From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 09:36:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA11776 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id IAA11730 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (root@augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16573; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (barr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA18742; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704171555.LAA18742@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Roman Richardson cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Handling return receipts In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:27:16 CDT." <2.2.32.19970417152716.006c9030@mail.state.mn.us> References: <2.2.32.19970417152716.006c9030@mail.state.mn.us> X-Face: $+9-wYg.[->94HJ{go[7Q]E!K&hUg7ZhLyCMyq_FU*ca0GazE>^/2BKLcK0bP-'%;Nn?M+am,jlSP>1K$iz@ %'v'FEW{@](U&Ed/}>ju3Ctlr!XwJ27Q)7h2a%"`sz;j:/3EC[mXi@*X@HE1]'ddq$ZX"ePsMyTkeg >zdML.SVvX1W`adGIUD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:55:09 -0400 From: Dave Barr Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In message <2.2.32.19970417152716.006c9030@mail.state.mn.us>, Roman Richardson writes: > I was wondering what people do with return receipts? If by "return receipts" you mean the "Return-Receipt-To:" header, the correct thing is to ignore them. They were never a standard, and have been officially obsoleted by DSNs, Delivery Status Notifications. See RFC's 1891 and 1894. Recent sendmail versions ignore Return-Receipt-To by default and handle only DSNs. --Dave From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 09:41:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA14135 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.state.mn.us (mail.state.mn.us [204.73.26.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA14110 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roman.state.mn.us by mail.state.mn.us; Thu, 17 Apr 97 11:11:34 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970417162014.006d2650@mail.state.mn.us> X-Sender: roman@mail.state.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:20:14 -0500 To: Dave Barr From: Roman Richardson Subject: Re: Handling return receipts Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 11:55 AM 4/17/97 -0400, Dave Barr wrote: >In message <2.2.32.19970417152716.006c9030@mail.state.mn.us>, Roman Richardson >writes: >> I was wondering what people do with return receipts? We've got a few >> users on systems that generate a return receipt everyt ime a message is sent >>to them. Unfortuantely the address that the receipt is sent back to is >>"Return-Path:" which points back to the actual majordomo. Is there a way to >>rewrite the "Return-Path:" header so that it points to the list owner? > >If by "return receipts" you mean the "Return-Receipt-To:" header, >the correct thing is to ignore them. They were never a standard, >and have been officially obsoleted by DSNs, Delivery Status Notifications. >See RFC's 1891 and 1894. Recent sendmail versions ignore Return-Receipt-To >by default and handle only DSNs. No, I'm not talking about the header, I'm talking about the message that get's sent back to the sender when delivery is successful. I have checked, and there is no way to turn them off at the user's site. And I guess I should have used the proper term "Delivery Status Notification". Any other thoughts? --- Roman Richardson Information Technology Specialist 4 Dept. of Administration / InterTechnologies Group From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 09:49:51 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA16610 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA16542 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA02311 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:28:32 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA30263; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:28:32 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? References: <199704171521.KAA24497@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Date: 17 Apr 1997 12:28:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leslie Mikesell's message of Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:21:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LM" == Leslie Mikesell writes: LM> I think we need a technological answer to this kind of problem. If you LM> could replace all your mailers at once it might work to teach the LM> delivery program to store one message per file and do multiple LM> recipients on the same machine with links. Thing is, this is almost exactly what news servers do. That is what makes news servers good for site-wide announcements. And you automatically get to control (through moderation) what gets posted and where. And you do not have to worry about different architectures because almost everything has a news reader these days. And you can easilly control how long messages are "archived", or whether or not they are ever expired. And my favorite reason: it is less obnoxious than mass mailings. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1ZPrp6VRH7BJMxHAQGG1AP9F/Hptn8/r6kx9oNiIeti/T9+I+n9+JTG pvsX1HMcZj8AdfNiLm8RKiEh2fsJzAX/IAetnAHb8xyF3MkGZRFdBl6vhX8tueDP rGgkPatBUUrnBRYHxF7sksXEfxogNisAZgOVJca61tagIq4OOBGBydIkCt3UnL31 rYqwtQdE8BY= =kI/G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 10:01:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA18189 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA18149 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA02499 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:37:06 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA30498; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:37:06 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Handling return receipts References: <2.2.32.19970417152716.006c9030@mail.state.mn.us> Date: 17 Apr 1997 12:37:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: Roman Richardson's message of Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 41 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "RR" == Roman Richardson writes: RR> I was wondering what people do with return receipts? For starters, I recomend a severe flogging for anyone who turns on or leaves on their MUA's return receipt "feature" when sending mail to a mailing list. RR> We've got a few users on systems that generate a return receipt everyt RR> ime a message is sent to them. Unfortuantely the address that the RR> receipt is sent back to is "Return-Path:" which points back to the RR> actual majordomo. Then I suggest a good flogging for any MUA author or vendor who's code sends replies to anything other than the From or Reply-To mailboxes. RR> Is there a way to rewrite the "Return-Path:" header so that it points RR> to the list owner? No, since those are created by the MTA after Majordomo has submitted a message for delivery. What would be better is a filter that carefully removes the return receipt request header from messages that go through the list. This is a violation of RFC822, though; caveat emptor. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1ZRsJ6VRH7BJMxHAQHcCAQAi4e18A/1gXZMH/JebLvJLiX8NhA8ohSE AWN4bWhFplzIXOTMl07dOU9ywB+yYiaGd+RrJyEaLGc0K3D7FhybX1oPKVEWycUC qcxLmTYpatW0Pf0t+N0vaPjOkk9YlmA0qnuqJsfyxG/aUnsy8yLLkBKFYnUMqyiw H0haPKzvQVU= =DTsm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 10:41:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA26710 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov (mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.144.120]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA26679 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [137.78.144.194] (lemond.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.144.194]) by mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10812 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:24:46 -0700 To: Majordomo Users List From: Kelly Feagans Subject: Wildcards in an approve list? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is it possible to wildcard a domain so that a list could be used by anybody at that domain? i.e. I want anybody at "whatever.com" to be able to send to a certain list (but nobody else)? What would the approve file look like? Thanks kf _______________________________________________________________________ | Kelly Feagans, Network Engineer | | | Mars Global Surveyor | _____ __o | | Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Section 392 | ------ -\ \<, | | email: kfeagans@mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov | ---- ( )/ ( ) | | http://mgsw3.jpl.nasa.gov | | |________________________________________|_____________________________| DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions expressed herein are my own and do not, in any way, represent the opinion or policy of JPL. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:10:04 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA22640 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us (sparkie.osl.state.or.us [192.84.215.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id JAA22632 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA09600; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:57:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Adams To: Michael Minter cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: archiving to HTML and searching In-Reply-To: <199704171512.KAA07837@bgs1.lsil.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am using Excite for Web Servers, a free and very easily configured indexer and search engine for Unix. I use Hypermail for archives and then index and search with Excite. Christopher Adams Automated Systems Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Michael Minter wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:12:17 -0500 > From: Michael Minter > To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: archiving to HTML and searching > > Folks, > > I'd like to be able to convert my various list archives to HTML docs > and then enable a search engine to work on them. I've got MHonArc working > fine but I still need a search engine and suggestions on how to setup > my WWW site directories for searching. Anyone got suggestions on how > to do this? I really like the search engine used for the Majordomo-Users > list. Can someone direct me to the source for this? > > Thanks, > Michael > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:10:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA24393 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us (sparkie.osl.state.or.us [192.84.215.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id KAA24382 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA09688; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:08:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Adams To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Question about Bounce:Admin request Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I sent a message to one of my lists and get back the following message. I have Administrivia set to "no". What else results in one of these messages? Christopher Adams Automated Systems Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us ================================================================= Subject: BOUNCE libs-or@sparkie.osl.state.or.us: Admin request >From libs-or-owner Thu Apr 17 10:06:02 1997 Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA09665; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:06:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Adams To: libs-or@sparkie.osl.state.or.us Subject: CPS mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII CPS folks, In order to have a bit more direct control of the CPS listserv for maintenance, change of address errors, manual address insertions, etc., I'm moving it over to the "sparkie" workstation here at OSL. Everyone on the old CPS list is subscribed to the new one. Plus a few more. You should be getting the "welcome to the list" message shortly. Please note the change of the cps address, and change your e-mail address book. Send new messages to... cps@sparkie.osl.state.or.us Cheers, - ernest Ernest Perez Oregon State Library 503-378-4243, ext 257 perez@opac.osl.state.or.us From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:26:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA26619 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA26577 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (les@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA23911; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:24:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id MAA14293; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:24:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199704171724.MAA14293@Mars.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:24:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Apr 17, 97 12:28:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > LM> I think we need a technological answer to this kind of problem. If you > LM> could replace all your mailers at once it might work to teach the > LM> delivery program to store one message per file and do multiple > LM> recipients on the same machine with links. > > Thing is, this is almost exactly what news servers do. No, it's almost nothing like what news servers do, except for only storing one copy. > That is what makes > news servers good for site-wide announcements. But news servers are bad for site-wide announcements which is why this thread started. They are bad because they don't give the user any indication that something new was posted; he has to go check on a regular basis. Even worse, newsreaders are fairly dumb about dealing with multiple servers. What happens if you are interested in the local announcements from a dozen different organizations? Web browsers are much more adept at this. > And my favorite reason: it is less obnoxious than mass mailings. In other words it is easy to ignore by never looking at the newsgroup. I want the announcement pushed out to my mailbox, but in a form I can ignore after seeing the subject without wasting the bandwidth and disk space for the full copy. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:27:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA19147 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id JAA19108 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA02601 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:41:56 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA30629; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:41:56 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: mulitiple .info files References: Date: 17 Apr 1997 12:41:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: Richard Dierlam's message of Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:48:54 +0000 () Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "RD" == Richard Dierlam writes: RD> I know the easy way would be to change the .info file, but is there a RD> way to include two .info files into into the welcome post?? Not without modifying any code. What would be simpler is to write a little shell script that builds an update info Majordomo command message from the basic info file and the addendum, and pipes it through /bin/mail. Keep the local versions (outside of the Majordomo lists area) current and run the script from cron shortly after each monthly bulletin. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1ZS0p6VRH7BJMxHAQFzxgP+Pe0YD9OXoQIB0gU8uUJC/lHdRcaOjveo Z+shZiqJRY/vQ9IYLmWaCK4zGt819WM4K1K+jBmGzZ3n06dfJd9ig8pu8YwZ2pcJ quETtw38e/BfO4+Hy1jGDonYclZJ1ckx1goWagxSgNQq4U3kyRiP/md7QamNfixN +iTbOwU56po= =RxZO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:29:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA03415 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA03406 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from picard.insite.co.uk (picard.verity.com [192.168.70.35]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA10640 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:45:07 GMT Received: by picard.insite.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC4B59.5F34A730@picard.insite.co.uk>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:01:28 -0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: mulitiple .info files Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:01:21 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk A lateral-thinking suggestion - post the newsletters to a WWW or FTP site, with a consistent filename which always points to the latest edition - and include a URL to that file in your intro file. Peter >---------- >From: Richard Dierlam[SMTP:gnat@ns.kreative.net] >Sent: Thursday, April 17, 1997 3:48 PM >To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >Subject: mulitiple .info files > >Oh great MJ users > >I have a list that sends out Monthly newletters. If new members join the >list in the middle of the month, I would like for them to get the most >recent issue, in their welcome to my list post. I know the easy way would >be to change the .info file, but is there a way to include two .info >files into into the welcome post?? > > rich from kreative access > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:33:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA28613 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA28320 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA03656 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:31:25 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA32006; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:31:25 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Handling return receipts References: <2.2.32.19970417152716.006c9030@mail.state.mn.us> Date: 17 Apr 1997 13:31:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: Rich Pieri's message of 17 Apr 1997 12:37:06 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "RP" == Rich Pieri writes: RP> What would be better is a filter that carefully removes the return RP> receipt request header from messages that go through the list. This is RP> a violation of RFC822, though; caveat emptor. I take that back; return receipts are not standard headers so nuking them is okay (or at least not unokay :). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1Zea56VRH7BJMxHAQHmzgQAsM1Fr3yoSTSTom381sdajlweH4AneLMu fWdhEU7EGaV8nW2SyJNu7sjniWy4IJYl83zsVCO8/MaUTcahpta6kysFd12gby3A kCFIHKuBzzgp2Ei1TK2C5Oi0TA48sFQzZhs5FzLDr9UZnbJw7e07gQA0fxRMBKG9 nsccKEdKz3E= =Kz4d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:40:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA07101 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id LAA07085 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA00789; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:30:36 -0500 (CDT) To: Roman Richardson Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Handling return receipts References: <2.2.32.19970417162014.006d2650@mail.state.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 17 Apr 1997 13:30:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: Roman Richardson's message of Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:20:14 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RR" == Roman Richardson writes: RR> No, I'm not talking about the header, I'm talking about the message RR> that get's sent back to the sender when delivery is successful. I have RR> checked, and there is no way to turn them off at the user's site. Majordomo (resend actually) by default strips out the Return-Receipt-To: header. If there is some other header that triggers the annoying behavior, add it to $skip_headers in resend. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:42:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA28264 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id KAA28003 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA03630 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:30:13 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA31969; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:30:13 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? References: <199704171724.MAA14293@Mars.mcs.net> Date: 17 Apr 1997 13:30:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leslie Mikesell's message of Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:24:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LM" == Leslie Mikesell writes: LM> I want the announcement pushed out to my mailbox, but in a form I LM> can ignore after seeing the subject without wasting the bandwidth LM> and disk space for the full copy. There is a saying: you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Okay, in this case you could, but it would require effort greatly in excess of whatever benefits they would provide. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1ZeHZ6VRH7BJMxHAQGaigP/Wdk5enbnQdnxE6sGPG8PiIdNxdsqdoBN Zt9mjGp8p63r/zjZug/uRZqFjN8BkKbaEgKJxIrBYknJ+RnIBQRU8BYKTI0rY8co uBdoRid7RR8gQVQVOwqT/x1o3ThzohcHrTVX59RgftbAT/W+9U+dr6tt3irEYRaV lwiFyPitwA4= =Q+wh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:51:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA03714 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA03696 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from picard.insite.co.uk (picard.verity.com [192.168.70.35]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA10656 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:47:58 GMT Received: by picard.insite.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC4B59.C5239FB0@picard.insite.co.uk>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:04:19 -0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: Handling return receipts Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:04:11 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a series of taboo-header and taboo-body expressions which catch a large percentage of common ones. The rest just get through to the list - the first time, anyway. Peter >---------- >From: Roman Richardson[SMTP:Roman.Richardson@state.mn.us] >Sent: Thursday, April 17, 1997 4:20 PM >To: Dave Barr >Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >Subject: Re: Handling return receipts > >At 11:55 AM 4/17/97 -0400, Dave Barr wrote: >>In message <2.2.32.19970417152716.006c9030@mail.state.mn.us>, Roman >>Richardson >>writes: >>> I was wondering what people do with return receipts? We've got a few >>> users on systems that generate a return receipt everyt ime a message is >>>sent >>>to them. Unfortuantely the address that the receipt is sent back to is >>>"Return-Path:" which points back to the actual majordomo. Is there a way >>>to >>>rewrite the "Return-Path:" header so that it points to the list owner? >> >>If by "return receipts" you mean the "Return-Receipt-To:" header, >>the correct thing is to ignore them. They were never a standard, >>and have been officially obsoleted by DSNs, Delivery Status Notifications. >>See RFC's 1891 and 1894. Recent sendmail versions ignore Return-Receipt-To >>by default and handle only DSNs. > >No, I'm not talking about the header, I'm talking about the message that >get's sent back to the sender when delivery is successful. I have checked, >and there is no way to turn them off at the user's site. And I guess I >should have used the proper term "Delivery Status Notification". > >Any other thoughts? >--- >Roman Richardson >Information Technology Specialist 4 >Dept. of Administration / InterTechnologies Group > > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:53:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA01318 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from language2.syrlang.com ([205.139.127.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id KAA01242 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SLS-Message_Server by language2.syrlang.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:43:31 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:43:17 -0400 From: Tom Winston To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Cc: linux.syrlang.com@language2.syrlang.com Subject: MJ, not working... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_3F6D5753.3D5C30DC" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_3F6D5753.3D5C30DC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Having problems with the installation of Majordomo 1.94.1. Any ideas? A user IS able to subscribe list with no problems. However CANNOT post to list. (in this case, subscription goes to majordomo, the list users will try to post to is "lcusp1" We are running (attempting to run...) majordomo on Linux 1.2.13, with an intel 90 processor. Please see attached files. Test1 -- error message list owner receives, message never gets posted tes2 -- error message list owner receives, message never gets posted to list... aliases -- The aliases we have set mjcf -- the majordomo.cf file we are using. Ultimately, we would like a moderated, digested list. Please help! Thank you so much for your time and advice. TW --=_3F6D5753.3D5C30DC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ALIASES.TXT" # # The aliases file for majordomo. This works best if you tell sendmail about it # in your sendmail.cf file (either /usr/lib/sendmail.cf or /etc/sendmail.cf). # # You need to be running a recent (8.6, at least) version of sendmail; one that # groks multiple alias files. # # Look for a line that says "OA/usr/lib/aliases" or somesuch, and add a line below # it, w/o the leading # sign, that looks like this: # # OA/usr/test/majordomo/majordomo.aliases # # After doing this, you should refreeze the sendmail cf via '/usr/lib/sendmail -bz' $ # restart sendmail. # majordomo: "|/usr/local/etc/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" majordomo-owner: test owner-majordomo: majordomo-owner majordom: owner-majordomo lcusp1: "|/usr/local/etc/majordomo/wrapper resend -l lcusp1 -h dns2.syrlang.$ lcusp1-list: :include:/usr/local/etc/majordomo/lists/lcusp1 owner-lcusp1: test lcusp1-owner: test lcusp1-request: "|/usr/local/etc/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l lcusp1" lcusp1-approval: test --=_3F6D5753.3D5C30DC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="MJCF.TXT" # # A sample configuration file for majordomo. You must read through this and # edit it accordingly! # # $whereami -- What machine am I running on? # $whereami = "dns2.syrlang.com"; # $whoami -- Who do users send requests to me as? # $whoami = "Majordomo@$whereami"; # $whoami_owner -- Who is the owner of the above, in case of problems? # $whoami_owner = "Majordomo-Owner@$whereami"; # $homedir -- Where can I find my extra .pl files, like majordomo.pl? # the environment variable HOME is set by the wrapper # if ( defined $ENV{"HOME"}) { $homedir = $ENV{"HOME"}; } else { $homedir = "/usr/local/etc/majordomo"; } # $listdir -- Where are the mailing lists? # $listdir = "$homedir/lists"; # $digest_work_dir -- the parent directory for digest's queue area # Each list must have a subdirectory under this directory in order for # digest to work. E.G. The bblisa list would use: # /usr/local/mail/digest/bblisa # $digest_work_dir = "/usr/local/etc/majordomo/digest"; # $log -- Where do I write my log? # $log = "$homedir/Log"; # $sendmail_command -- Pathname to the sendmail program # usually /usr/lib/sendmail, but some newer BSD systems # seem to prefer /usr/sbin/sendmail # $sendmail_command = "/usr/sbin/sendmail"; # $sendmail_command = "/usr/sbin/sendmail"; # $mailer -- What program and args do I use to send mail to the list? # $bounce_mailer -- What is used to send mail anywhere else? # The variables $to, $from, $subject, and $sender can be interpolated into # this command line. Note, however, that the $to, $from, and $subject # variables may be provided by the person sending mail, and much mischief # can be had by playing with this variable. It is perfectly safe to use # $sender, but the others are insecure. # # Sendmail option -oi: Do not take a . on a line by itself as the message # terminator. # Sendmail option -oee: Force sendmail to exit with a zero exit status if # if it's not going to give useful information. # $mailer = "$sendmail_command -f\$sender"; $bounce_mailer = "$sendmail_command -f\$sender -t"; # You can special case the mailer used to deliver outbound mail as follows: # # To use TLB and use no outgoing alias: # if ($main'program_name eq 'mj_resend' && $opt_l eq 'test-list') { # $mailer = "/usr/local/majordomo/tlb /usr/local/lists/${opt_l}.tlb"; # } # You can force Majordomo to delay any processing if the system load is too # high by uncommenting the following lines. THIS ONLY WORKS if your "uptime" # command (usually found in /usr/bin/uptime or /usr/bsd/uptime) # returns a string like: # 5:23pm up 5:51, 9 users, load average: 0.19, 0.25, 0.33 # #$max_loadavg = 10; # Choose the maximum allowed load # #$uptime = `/usr/bin/uptime` if -x ; # Get system uptime #$uptime = `/usr/bsd/uptime` if -x ; # or uptime is over here. # #($avg_1_minute, $avg_5_minutes, $avg_15_minutes) = # $uptime =~ /average:\s+(\S+),\s+(\S+),\s+(\S+)/; # #exit 75 if ($avg_15_minute >= $max_loadavg); # E_TEMPFAIL # # Set the default subscribe policy for new lists here. # If not defined, defaults to "open", but in today's increasingly # imbecile Internet, "open+confirm" or "auto+confirm" is a wiser # choice for publicly available Majordomo servers. # # $config'default_subscribe_policy = "open+confirm"; # # Configure X400 parsing here. This is functional, but not well tested # and rather a hack. # By default all addresses that look x400-ish will be checked for a # @ sign (meaning that it's headed to an smtp->x400 gateway, as well # Set the default subscribe policy for new lists here. # If not defined, defaults to "open", but in today's increasingly # imbecile Internet, "open+confirm" or "auto+confirm" is a wiser # choice for publicly available Majordomo servers. $no_x400at = 0; $no_true_x400 = 0; --=_3F6D5753.3D5C30DC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEST1.TXT" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:34:36 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: owner-lcusp1@dns2.syrlang.com Subject: Returned mail: aliasing/forwarding loop broken Parts/attachments: 1 Shown 13 lines Text 2 Shown 573 bytes Message 2.1 Shown 1 lines Text ---------------------------------------- The original message was received at Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:34:36 -0400 from majordom@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- lcusp1-list (unrecoverable error) :include:/usr/local/etc/majordomo/lists/lcusp1 (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: lcusp1-list) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 :include:/usr/local/etc/majordomo/lists/lcusp1... Cannot open /usr/local/etc/majordomo/lists/lcusp1: Permission denied ***(Checked Permissions, set to 755) 554 lcusp1-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken ----- Message header follows ----- [ Part 2: "Included Message" ] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:34:34 -0400 From: Tom Winston To: lcusp1@dns2.syrlang.com ----- Message body suppressed ----- --=_3F6D5753.3D5C30DC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEST2.TXT" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:34:37 -0400 From: owner-lcusp1@dns2.syrlang.com To: owner-lcusp1@dns2.syrlang.com Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend) -- MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!! Mailer /usr/sbin/sendmail -fowner-lcusp1@dns2.syrlang.com lcusp1-list exited unexpectedly with error 16384 --=_3F6D5753.3D5C30DC-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 11:56:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA08998 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id LAA08968 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by lists.tax.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA20786 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:43:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:43:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? In-Reply-To: <199704171724.MAA14293@Mars.mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > But news servers are bad for site-wide announcements which is why > this thread started. They are bad because they don't give the user > any indication that something new was posted; he has to go check on > a regular basis. Gee, and he has to check e-mail on a regular basis. What a concept! ;) ;) ;) If someone can learn to check e-mail regularly, then that person can learn how to check a newsreader. Heck, it's not like the concepts aren't startlingly similar: You read messages from other people, and if you want to and are allowed, you reply to what you read. Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 12:11:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA12534 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from locutus.necx.com (locutus.necx.com [199.172.141.195]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id MAA12485 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dev.necx.com (dev.necx.com [199.172.141.72]) by locutus.necx.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06370 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:57:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by dev.necx.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17182 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Majordomo User Message-Id: <199704171907.PAA17182@dev.necx.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: problem in installing majordomo Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Sir I couldn't able to get mojordomo working i am including my install results down here but when i issued echo 'config test-list test-list.pnainar' | mail majordomo i haven't got any reply from majordomo can you help me out in this _________________install results__________________ a------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- Config-test for Majordomo ---------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- Obvious things: --------------------- ------------------ environment variables ------------------ HOME=/usr/local/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1 LOGNAME=majordomo MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/local/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1/majordomo.cf PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb SHELL=/bin/sh TZ=US/Eastern USER=majordomo --------------------- euid/egid checks --------------------- effective user = majordomo (uid 267) effective group = staff staff (gid 10 10 ) ---------------------- uid/gid checks ---------------------- real user = majordomo (uid 267) real group = staff staff (gid 10 10 ) ------------------------------------------------------------ Non obvious things that cause headaches: ------------------------------------------------------------ Good: 'require'd /usr/local/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1/majordomo.cf okay. Good: found ctime.pl okay. Good: found majordomo_version.pl okay. Good: found majordomo.pl okay. Good: found config_parse.pl okay. You're running Majordomo Version 1.94.1. --==> Majordomo home directory is /usr/local/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1. ------------------- Include directories ------------------- /usr/local/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1 /usr/local/lib/sun4-solaris/5.003 /usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib/site_perl/sun4-solaris /usr/local/lib/site_perl . --------------------------- Home --------------------------- Good: changedir to /usr/local/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1 succeeded. Good: Created a mock lock file. ---------------------- temp directory ---------------------- Good: Created a temp file in $TMPDIR (/usr/tmp). ---------------------- list directory ---------------------- Good: list directory /usr/local/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1/lists has good permissions. --------------------------- log --------------------------- Good: logfile /usr/local/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1/Log exists and is writeable. ------------------------- Mailers ------------------------- You have defined a mailer for delivery. Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. You have defined a mailer for delivering administrative messages. Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. ------------------ Checking majordomo.cf ------------------ Checking to see if there are new variables that should be in your majordomo.cf file... Unknown configuration variables in existing majordomo.cf: $DEBUG Have you configured where Majordomo is? $whereami is dev.necx.com Good: yup! ----------------------- end of tests ----------------------- Nothing bad found! Majordomo _should_ work correctly. If it doesn't, check your configuration file (/usr/local/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.1/majordomo.cf) closely, and if it still looks okay, consider asking the majordomo-users mailing list at "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" for assistance. Be sure and fully specify what your problems are, and what type of machine (and operating system) you are using. Enjoy! _______________________________________ cheers pnainar From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 13:26:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA22767 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web.webcoach.com (web.webcoach.com [204.245.253.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id NAA22688 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogens.webcoach.com (mogens.webcoach.com [204.245.253.12]) by web.webcoach.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03059 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970417131428.00a6a620@mail.webcoach.com> X-Sender: mogens@mail.webcoach.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:14:28 -0700 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: "Mogens L. Gilmour" Subject: Re: Duplicate messages when posting In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970416110249.00867d10@mail.webcoach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>>> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes: > >JLT> Note that this doesn't happen with a correctly configured sendmail >JLT> running on an OS with stable locking. The various sendmail daemons >JLT> will lock each other out and only one will access a queued message at >JLT> a time. > >Agreed. I have never had this type of problem with berkeley v8 sendmail, >even when deliberately invoking a queue run. Unfortunately most vendors >ship berkely v5 sendmail or a variant based on that version, and the >administrators do not wish to install a modern sendmail over it (no vender >support, for instance). Thanks I am running version 8.8.5 but i will look into file locking problems. It would be news to me if the system isn't configured correctly for this. Thanks for the help. Mogens From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 14:26:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA02084 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA02015 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (les@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA05480; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:19:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id QAA21993; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:19:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199704172119.QAA21993@Mars.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? To: kendall@lists.tax.org (Kendall P. Bullen) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:19:25 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Kendall P. Bullen" at Apr 17, 97 02:43:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Gee, and he has to check e-mail on a regular basis. What a concept! > ;) ;) ;) If someone can learn to check e-mail regularly, then that > person can learn how to check a newsreader. Heck, it's not like the > concepts aren't startlingly similar: You read messages from other > people, and if you want to and are allowed, you reply to what you > read. So even if you only have one interest it doubles the number of places you have to check regularly. I don't consider that a good thing. Besides, email comes to me - I can leave a mailer running and it shows up automatically. Even if I have addresses at many locations I can forward everything to a single place. Who wants to have to check local newsgroups all over the place for every announcement that might affect them? The real problem here is that the propagation model for email isn't quite right for messages that are bulky and only read by a few of the recipients, and the model for news doesn't work where the storage is local but the readers are also interested in local groups on other servers. Mailing list archives are the solution, especially if they are searchable and readable via web browsers. In many cases I'd prefer not to even be on a mailing list if it had a good archive but for some I would like notification of new messages. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 14:56:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA03608 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with SMTP id OAA03570 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by lists.tax.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21486; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:32:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:32:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: Leslie Mikesell cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? In-Reply-To: <199704172119.QAA21993@Mars.mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > for news doesn't work where the storage is local but the readers > are also interested in local groups on other servers. Hmm, this local thing and multiple servers keeps coming up -- sounds like time to have certain announcement groups propogated to other servers, or something. Or maybe not. Heck, everyone wants something different, when it comes right down to it. There's no pleasing everyone. ;) Now, a mailing list mirrored in news, so that you could choose whether you wanted junk mail in your box, or to just read it when you had a hankering to do so, might be a way to try to give people more flexibility in how they got their announcments. Hmmness? Just a thought. G'luck, Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 15:12:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA04249 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA04106 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (les@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA06445; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:37:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id QAA22703; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:37:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199704172137.QAA22703@Mars.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:37:33 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Apr 17, 97 01:30:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > LM> I want the announcement pushed out to my mailbox, but in a form I > LM> can ignore after seeing the subject without wasting the bandwidth > LM> and disk space for the full copy. > > There is a saying: you can't have your cake and eat it, too. > > Okay, in this case you could, but it would require effort greatly in excess > of whatever benefits they would provide. What's the 'great effort' part? If your announcements are important enough to throw in everyone's mailbox then they should be important enough to archive. The web browser interface can be done with available software although it would be nicer if it could do it on the fly so you could use the same interface to access your own mailbox through a browser if you wanted (there may be some programs around for this too). Sending only the subject/URL to the subscribed list should be pretty easy. The only complicated part would be collecting update notices for a digest-interval and sending each user the new items from any of his subscribed lists. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 15:41:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA06396 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA06340 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.asds.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA09517 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:52:15 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA06461; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:52:15 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? References: <199704172119.QAA21993@Mars.mcs.net> Date: 17 Apr 1997 17:52:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leslie Mikesell's message of Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:19:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LM" == Leslie Mikesell writes: LM> So even if you only have one interest it doubles the number of LM> places you have to check regularly. Check the news server on a regular basis for the information. I count that as one place to look, not two. Maybe this is that new math thing? I dunnow. :) Seriously, though, I have done exactly this type of thing before, setting up local "bulletin board" newsgroups on a news server. It works just fine and is a lot easier to deal with than keeping a web or gopher server up to date *and* maintaining separate archives in an accessable location. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM1abi56VRH7BJMxHAQH6qQP9GqBJxBGrtEWboMymar6xDQwnpJWui/Zq ytav1KBZ9gjbozpACfQlXPpdOdbJe7pNVfpsuCHAtKuJ7iJ0KOLCf23UCXlSKWvU ZBmchte2IgMn0bIAyHEQrJW4OeQEsNqOvumXM0+1pLBXwEWS+HK0KX/xW80gqB/N JG5gVjnC8Gw= =6s7b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 15:50:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA07509 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pneuma.ghn.org (pneuma.ghn.org [206.246.75.91]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id OAA07233 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ted@localhost) by pneuma.ghn.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04552 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:58:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ted Okada Subject: Uploads using newinfo? To: "LIST: Majordomo" Reply-To: Ted Okada Message-ID: <970417185838.500AADQo.ted@pneuma> Comments: Please use ted@cais.com for replies Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Eloquent[2.01]; Eloquent is a Trademark of Take 3 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello! I was wondering if anyone has provided an alternative to ftpmail for file uploads in general, and more specifically, if anyone has hacked on the 'newinfo' command to accomplish this and would be willing to share their code. We would like to keep a consistent majordomo environment without having to pull up another program and a special hack (we're using 1.93) along the lines of newinfo would be nice. Also, if this has been done, we would be interested in MIME/uudecode parsing if successfully done... Apologies if this has been covered before. much TIA. Ted --- \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o | /\ __\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ ../.\...|.\../).|....(.\../o\../.)....|..(\../.|.../.\.../.\. Ted Okada | http://www.fh.org/ Director | gopher://gopher.fh.org Washington D.C. Bureau | ftp://ftp.fh.org Food For The Hungry | ytalk:ted@logos.ghn.org 202.547.0560v|202.547.0523f|NeXTMail|PGP2.3:finger:ted@cais.com Help Africa's Children--Call Food For The Hungry 1-800-2HUNGER --- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 18:13:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA05498 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id RAA03418 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id QAA14761 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (les@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id SAA13769; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:46:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id SAA27487; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:46:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199704172346.SAA27487@Mars.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Bulk Email Policy: What's Yours? To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:46:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Apr 17, 97 05:52:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > LM> So even if you only have one interest it doubles the number of > LM> places you have to check regularly. > > Check the news server on a regular basis for the information. I count that > as one place to look, not two. Maybe this is that new math thing? I > dunnow. :) Having to look at email was the base assumption here. This being the majordomo list and all... > Seriously, though, I have done exactly this type of thing before, setting > up local "bulletin board" newsgroups on a news server. It works just fine > and is a lot easier to deal with than keeping a web or gopher server up to > date *and* maintaining separate archives in an accessable location. Have you done it with a non-captive audience? Would people who normally don't use your news server connect on a regular basis just to check if anything was posted to your local groups? How do you get them to do that? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Apr 17 18:26:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA20498 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wallace.hotkey.net.au (wallace.hotkey.net.au [202.138.0.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970308-1) with ESMTP id QAA20458 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kelvin.hotkey.net.au (kelvin.ho.hotkey.net.au [202.138.1.132]) by wallace.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA13001 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:17:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from martinr.ho.hotkey.net.au (martinr.ho.hotkey.net.au [202.138.1.163]) by kelvin.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA19364 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:19:25 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970418091757.006c27bc@pop.hotkey.net.au> X-Sender: martinr@pop.hotkey.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:17:57 +1000 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Martin Rheumer Subject: Very New. 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