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From: "Bill Casti (System Admin)" <help@quality.org>
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It seems to be turned off on my server. Any ideas where to look to turn it
back on?

Thanks.
Bill



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We have configured Majordomo and set up the test-l list just so we can get
everything working before we create the actual list we'll be using.
Currently we can email majordomo and set the config and everything with no
errors. However, when I email test-l something to post to our list, it goes
out and never gets bounced....and yet no one on the test-l list ever
receives it. Could someone please help us with this???


Jasonf@micro2000.com 


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I want  patch my majordomo-1.94.4  to 1.94.5

There is no 

..../majordomo-1.94.5/patches  subdirectory therefore the command 

/usr/bin/patch  <
/export/opt/majordomo-1.94.5/patches/1.94.4-to-1.95.5-installed-patch

does not work....

Am I missing something here ???

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<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">There =
is no </FONT></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">..../majordomo-1.94.5/patches&nbsp; subdirectory =
therefore the command</FONT> </P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">/usr/bin/patch</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> &lt;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> /export/opt/majordomo-1.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">94.5/patches/</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">1.94.4-to-1.95.5</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
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<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">does =
not work....</FONT></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Am I =
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Hi,

 I'm kind a new at this mail list thing.  So forgive me for my ignorance.
I using majordom 1.94.5 on a Sun Solaris 2.6 box with sendmail 8.9. I'm
having
a problem trying to get prevent messages that are hitting a list from going
out to the users.  I want the messages to be stored in my digest and I will
then mail the digest out once a day.  Is this setup done in the aliases file
or the mailing lists configuration file? Or can it be done at all?

 Next I'm looking for some more aliases examples. The O'Reily book has too
many
errors in the examples to be much good.  The firewalls list in the
installation
was good, but the I had to tweek the archive aliases a little to get it to
work
properly.

 Thanks a bunch

Dave Ansalvish
davea@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil


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Hi,

 I'm kind a new at this mail list thing.  So forgive me for my ignorance.
I using majordom 1.94.5 on a Sun Solaris 2.6 box with sendmail 8.9. I'm
having
a problem trying to get prevent messages that are hitting a list from going
out to the users.  I want the messages to be stored in my digest and I will
then mail the digest out once a day.  Is this setup done in the aliases file
or the mailing lists configuration file? Or can it be done at all?

 Next I'm looking for some more aliases examples. The O'Reily book has too
many
errors in the examples to be much good.  The firewalls list in the
installation
was good, but the I had to tweek the archive aliases a little to get it to
work
properly.

 Thanks a bunch

Dave Ansalvish
davea@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil


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In your list's config file:

welcome             =   yes

"Bill Casti (System Admin)" wrote:

> It seems to be turned off on my server. Any ideas where to look to turn it
> back on?
>
> Thanks.
> Bill


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From: phuoc nguyen <phuoc0@yahoo.com>
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Hi,

I'm quit new to majordomo and need your help to change
the header 'From' of the outgoing mail. How can I do
that?
Right now it displays the realname and email of the
person who post the message to the listserver. How can
I map it to have another name/field?
my have version :1.93

Many thanks

Phuoc nguyen
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From: Gerrit Holl <gerrit@nl.linux.org>
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Hello,

while looking for Majordomo alternatives, I found Mailman <www.list.org>.
I think I like Mailman - it seems to have more features. Many people
who moved from Majordomo to Mailman are enthuishast, but my question is:

    Have anyone used both Majordomo and Mailman and preferred Majordomo?

It should be understood that I do _not_ want to incite any flames. I just
want to know what unique features Majordomo has. It's used about ten
times more than Mailman so it must have some ;)

regards,
Gerrit.

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Hi,

is allowed the following format from subscribers-file(lists/listname):

EMailAddress1           (Name1....)
EMailAddress2           (Name2....)
.....
etc.

or just the E-Mail Addresses:

EMailAddress1
EMailAddress2
....
etc.

Thanks!



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<quote name="Stefan Heim, Dipl.-Ing." date="951999284" email="heim@sip.medizin.uni-ulm.de">
> Hi,
> 
> is allowed the following format from subscribers-file(lists/listname):
> 
> EMailAddress1           (Name1....)
> EMailAddress2           (Name2....)
> .....
> etc.
> 
> or just the E-Mail Addresses:
> 
> EMailAddress1
> EMailAddress2
> ....
> etc.

It's just like RFC 822; everything permitted in the To: header is
allowed.
</quote>

regards,
Gerrit.

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Another majordomo newbie here.  I'm wondering if someone can point me in the
direction of some really good majordomo documentation and/or books.  Is the
O'Reilly book on listservers good, or is there a better book about majordomo
specifically?  


Thanks,

Matthew Bartush
Sr. Systems Engineer
NSI Information Systems, Inc.

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From: Brett Charbeneau <brett@wrl.org>
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Subject: Intranet only lists?  
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The specifics:
	Red Hat Linux 6.0, kernel 2.2.5-15, with Perl 5.005_03, Sendmail
8.9.3, and Majordomo 1.94.4
	
	Please to forgive if the answer to this is in an archive somewhere
- I've scoured the newsgroups and lists and come up empty-handed.
	I run a variety of mailing lists out of my server, most are open
lists that are used for interdepartmental communcations, but a few go
outside our network.
	Is there any way that I can keep people from outside my domain
from posting to the internal lists while maintaining the outside-bound
lists?

Brett Charbeneau, Network Administrator         Tel: 757-259-7750
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From: Bob <mirader@zoso.net>
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Subject: digests
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Just curious if there is any possible way to configure a digest to
generate at the same time every day regardless of the size? Like say
midnight.

Thanks in advance

Bob
mirader@zoso.net


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Hi,

if I send a large file as attachement(pdf-file) to the list, majordomo
sends a mail to the owner, with the subject:

Subject: BOUNCE testl@xxxxxxxxx:     Message too long (>40000 chars)

How can I change this limit ?

Thanks!

/--------------------------------o00-----00o-------------------------\
Stefan Heim

Uni Ulm
Sektion Informatik in der Psychotherapie
Am Hochstraess 8
89081 Ulm
Germany
E-Mail: heim@sip.Medizin.Uni-Ulm.de
http://sip.medizin.uni-ulm.de
Tel: +49-(0)731-50-25702 Fax: +49-(0)731-50-25662
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Look for the maxlength = setting in the config file.  Set it to as high as 
you think appropriate.  Remember, however, that if there are people with 
slow connections or mailbox limits using your list, that could cause some 
very serious problems for them.

DMonkey

At 12:28 PM 3/3/00 -0800, Stefan Heim, Dipl.-Ing. wrote:
>Hi,
>
>if I send a large file as attachement(pdf-file) to the list, majordomo
>sends a mail to the owner, with the subject:
>
>Subject: BOUNCE testl@xxxxxxxxx:     Message too long (>40000 chars)
>
>How can I change this limit ?
>
>Thanks!
>
>/--------------------------------o00-----00o-------------------------\
>Stefan Heim
>
>Uni Ulm
>Sektion Informatik in der Psychotherapie
>Am Hochstraess 8
>89081 Ulm
>Germany
>E-Mail: heim@sip.Medizin.Uni-Ulm.de
>http://sip.medizin.uni-ulm.de
>Tel: +49-(0)731-50-25702 Fax: +49-(0)731-50-25662
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"Bob" <mirader@zoso.net> asked:
>Just curious if there is any possible way to configure a digest to
>generate at the same time every day regardless of the size? Like say
>midnight.

Yes.  First make sure 'digest' invoked from the mail alias for incoming
messages never generates a digest automatically (use the -R option
instead of -r), then set up a cron job to run at the appropriate time
and trigger the creation of a digest.  Your cron job can either run as
your majordomo user and run the digest command directly (use the -m
option to force a digest, and the -C and -l options to select which
digest to build), or run as some other user and mail a 'mkdigest'
command to Majordomo.  I do the latter; my crontab says:

    # issue majordomo digests at 4pm every day
    0 16 * * *      $HOME/bin/make-list-digest

where $HOME/bin/make-list-digest is a script that emails a mkdigest
command to Majordomo.

Mike.
-- 
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Stefan Heim asked:
>if I send a large file as attachement(pdf-file) to the list, majordomo
>sends a mail to the owner, with the subject:
>
>Subject: BOUNCE testl@xxxxxxxxx:     Message too long (>40000 chars)
>
>How can I change this limit ?

That limit is established by the 'maxlength' parameter in the list's
.config file.  The default value is 40000, as you've seen.  Either 
change it to something very large or, to allow messages of any size,
leave it undefined.

Mike.
-- 
mike.oliver@eng.sun.com


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Hi All,

I wonder if anyone can help me out ?

I've recently indstalled Majordomo and have a list running between several
users whilst I get used to it.

I'm having problems getting message_footer to print and also restrict_post.
I want to set it so that only I can post to the list.

I have set the footer I require between

"<< END
footer info here

END"

Restrict post is:

restrict_post = me@mydomain.com

Can anyone help ?

TIA,

Bill.


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Stefan Heim, Dipl.-Ing. <heim@sip.medizin.uni-ulm.de> wrote on Fri, 03 Mar 2000:
> Subject: BOUNCE testl@xxxxxxxxx:     Message too long (>40000 chars)
> 
> How can I change this limit ?

maxlength           = <number of bytes>

eg.

maxlength           = 2000000

(allows nearly 2MB files through)


Mikko
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It's still a problem.
When we put into the config file:
welcome = yes

We get:
The new config file for nautilus-news was NOT accepted because:
unknown key |welcome| in file nautilus-news.new.config at line 357
 >>>> END OF COMMANDS
END OF COMMANDS

And of course have to take it back out.

Any further ideas on what to do?

Thanks!
/Dorothy Firsching / Bill Casti

At 04:10 PM 3/1/00 -0500, Sean Porterfield wrote:
>In your list's config file:
>
>welcome             =   yes
>
>"Bill Casti (System Admin)" wrote:
>
> > It seems to be turned off on my server. Any ideas where to look to turn it
> > back on?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Bill

Dorothy Firsching
CEO
Nautilus Systems, Inc.
3867 Alder Woods Court
Fairfax, VA  22033
http://www.nautilus-systems.com/
firschng@nautilus-systems.com



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From: Bob <mirader@zoso.net>
To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
Subject: Re: digests
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Just wanted to thank everyone for all the replies. I have my digest ran by
cron, and all is working well. Thanks again! This is a great list!

Bob
mirader@zoso.net


On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Mike Oliver wrote:

> "Bob" <mirader@zoso.net> asked:
> >Just curious if there is any possible way to configure a digest to
> >generate at the same time every day regardless of the size? Like say
> >midnight.
> 
> Yes.  First make sure 'digest' invoked from the mail alias for incoming
> messages never generates a digest automatically (use the -R option
> instead of -r), then set up a cron job to run at the appropriate time
> and trigger the creation of a digest.  Your cron job can either run as
> your majordomo user and run the digest command directly (use the -m
> option to force a digest, and the -C and -l options to select which
> digest to build), or run as some other user and mail a 'mkdigest'
> command to Majordomo.  I do the latter; my crontab says:
> 
>     # issue majordomo digests at 4pm every day
>     0 16 * * *      $HOME/bin/make-list-digest
> 
> where $HOME/bin/make-list-digest is a script that emails a mkdigest
> command to Majordomo.
> 
> Mike.
> -- 
> mike.oliver@eng.sun.com
> 


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On Mon, Apr 07, 2036 at 10:03:54PM -0400, davea@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil wrote:
> I want the messages to be stored in my digest and I will
> then mail the digest out once a day.  Is this setup done in the aliases file
> or the mailing lists configuration file? Or can it be done at all?

Don't set the digest_maxlines config variable and then run mkdigest out
of cron once/day.  E.g.,

1 0 * * *      nobody echo "mkdigest foolist-digest foolist-digest-outgoing `cat /path/to/foolist-digest.passwd`" | mail -s "foolist-digest daily run" foolist-digest-request@domain.com

>  Next I'm looking for some more aliases examples. The O'Reily book has too
> many errors in the examples to be much good.  The firewalls list in the
> installation was good, but the I had to tweek the archive aliases a
> little to get it to work properly.

The examples in the Doc directory of the source, or perhaps a search
through the archives of this list should give you enough to go on.

Omar

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> while looking for Majordomo alternatives, I found Mailman
> <www.list.org>.  I think I like Mailman - it seems to have more
> features. Many people who moved from Majordomo to Mailman are
> enthuishast, but my question is:
> 
>    Have anyone used both Majordomo and Mailman and preferred
>    Majordomo?

Yes.

1. Mailman doesn't have functionality for filtering out attachments
   (HTML, Word-docs, winmail, RTF etc.).  This means that with a
   Mailman list, anything gets through, no matter what format it
   is written in.  (Unless you make the list moderated, but that's
   a heavy-handed solution for that problem.)  Sure, you can
   twiddle with maximum size limits of messages, but that doesn't
   really solve the problem, only alleviate it a little bit.

   With Majordomo you can fine-tune what text and file formats you
   want to allow on your list (perl regexps).

   I think this factor alone is sufficient reason to prefer
   Majordomo.


2. Mailman allows only web-based interaction with the listserver.
   That is, you can't do things by E-mail; you have to do things
   via a web-page, and this is SLOW.  Much slower than using
   E-mail.  Sure, a web-based interface may be easier to use for
   newbie users and subscribers, so a good listserver should offer
   both options -- both web-based and E-mail based interaction
   with the listserver, like Majordomo does (there are several
   web-based interfaces for Majordomo).  For the experienced user
   and list manager, mail-based interaction is much more
   efficient.


3. This point is somewhat related to the previous one.  To approve
   postings in Mailman, you have to go to a web page where
   would-be postings pile up for approval.  Wait, how is that if
   your list is not moderated, and all subscribers can post?
   Well, it's mostly spam piling up then.  And Mailman sends you
   one message each day for each piled-up message.  Yes, you can
   turn that off, but then you may forget to check that web page
   for some time, and legit postings that triggered the filter/
   approval mechanism get delayed.  It's just so enormously much
   better to do things like message approval or discarding by
   E-mail.

So, I think Majordomo is absolutely superior to Mailman.  Of
course, if Mailman were to get file format filtering and a
mail-based interface, things could become more interesting; at
least then it would be a competitor.

Oh, and one more thing:

4. If you ask a question about Majordomo here at majordomo-users,
   in all probability someone will help you solve your problem.
   Mailman has a 'similar' list -- at python.org I think it was,
   but I'm no longer on it -- however, this Mailman list is a
   combined list for tech/development as well as for help.  In
   practice this means that if your question is not tech/
   development related -- you're just a user/list admin who needs
   help with some of Mailman's existing functionality -- then
   chances are that noone will answer you.

   So what I'm saying is that Majordomo has a social environment
   of support, places where you can get help with your questions,
   while Mailman does not, or at least much poorer/less developed.
   Perhaps this is because Mailman is newer and used by fewer
   people; perhaps it is because they should split their list into
   one tech/development list and one user list, like the case
   with Majordomo here at greatcircle.com; whatever the reason,
   the level of available support is also a factor that speaks in
   Majordomo's favor.

Thomas Gramstad
thomasg@ifi.uio.no
"A computer without Microshaft is like a dog without bricks tied
to its head."  -- http://www.billydance.com/dance.htm

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	Thanks to Perry M. Lynch and Jonathan Byrne who responded to my
question about setting up my Intranet-only lists so that only folks within
my domain could post to them. 
	They advised using the restrict_post directive - Bravo!
	Now, as grateful as I am, I have another question that I can't
seem to find the answer to in the usual places:

	Is there a way I can get the non-subscriber attempted posts
	bounced back to the sender with a "You're not a subscriber..." 
	message *as well* as my getting a copy as list-owner?

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<quote name="Thomas Gramstad" date="952195773" email="thomasg@ifi.uio.no">
> > while looking for Majordomo alternatives, I found Mailman
> > <www.list.org>.  I think I like Mailman - it seems to have more
> > features. Many people who moved from Majordomo to Mailman are
> > enthuishast, but my question is:
> > 
> >    Have anyone used both Majordomo and Mailman and preferred
> >    Majordomo?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> 1. Mailman doesn't have functionality for filtering out attachments
>    (HTML, Word-docs, winmail, RTF etc.).  This means that with a
>    Mailman list, anything gets through, no matter what format it
>    is written in.  (Unless you make the list moderated, but that's
>    a heavy-handed solution for that problem.)  Sure, you can
>    twiddle with maximum size limits of messages, but that doesn't
>    really solve the problem, only alleviate it a little bit.
> 
>    With Majordomo you can fine-tune what text and file formats you
>    want to allow on your list (perl regexps).
> 
>    I think this factor alone is sufficient reason to prefer
>    Majordomo.

Well, you can reject based on regexps, but filtering out attachements
on regexps alone in a mess indeed.

> 2. Mailman allows only web-based interaction with the listserver.
>    That is, you can't do things by E-mail; you have to do things
>    via a web-page, and this is SLOW.  Much slower than using
>    E-mail.  Sure, a web-based interface may be easier to use for
>    newbie users and subscribers, so a good listserver should offer
>    both options -- both web-based and E-mail based interaction
>    with the listserver, like Majordomo does (there are several
>    web-based interfaces for Majordomo).

But the Mailman web-based interfaces are more comprehensive/better.

>    For the experienced user
>    and list manager, mail-based interaction is much more
>    efficient.

Maybe. This is an opinion.

> 3. This point is somewhat related to the previous one.  To approve
>    postings in Mailman, you have to go to a web page where
>    would-be postings pile up for approval.  Wait, how is that if
>    your list is not moderated, and all subscribers can post?
>    Well, it's mostly spam piling up then.  And Mailman sends you
>    one message each day for each piled-up message.  Yes, you can
>    turn that off, but then you may forget to check that web page
>    for some time, and legit postings that triggered the filter/
>    approval mechanism get delayed.  It's just so enormously much
>    better to do things like message approval or discarding by
>    E-mail.

This is, again, an opinion - I prefer a web-based environment.

> So, I think Majordomo is absolutely superior to Mailman.  Of
> course, if Mailman were to get file format filtering and a
> mail-based interface, things could become more interesting; at
> least then it would be a competitor.

I agree on those points - note that Mailman has some superior points
to Majordomo too (when did you check Mailman?).

> Oh, and one more thing:
> 
> 4. If you ask a question about Majordomo here at majordomo-users,
>    in all probability someone will help you solve your problem.
>    Mailman has a 'similar' list -- at python.org I think it was,
>    but I'm no longer on it -- however, this Mailman list is a
>    combined list for tech/development as well as for help.  In
>    practice this means that if your question is not tech/
>    development related -- you're just a user/list admin who needs
>    help with some of Mailman's existing functionality -- then
>    chances are that noone will answer you.

Of course those chances are there! But it's very rare - I don't know
when you were on the list, but it's rare.

>    So what I'm saying is that Majordomo has a social environment
>    of support, places where you can get help with your questions,
>    while Mailman does not, or at least much poorer/less developed.
>    Perhaps this is because Mailman is newer and used by fewer
>    people; perhaps it is because they should split their list into
>    one tech/development list and one user list, like the case
>    with Majordomo here at greatcircle.com; whatever the reason,
>    the level of available support is also a factor that speaks in
>    Majordomo's favor.

There is mailman-users and mailman-developers.
</quote>

Thanks for your post.

regards,
Gerrit.

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>> Thomas Gramstad
> Gerrit Holl

>> 2. Mailman allows only web-based interaction with the listserver.
>>    That is, you can't do things by E-mail; you have to do things
>>    via a web-page, and this is SLOW.  Much slower than using
>>    E-mail.  Sure, a web-based interface may be easier to use for
>>    newbie users and subscribers, so a good listserver should offer
>>    both options -- both web-based and E-mail based interaction
>>    with the listserver, like Majordomo does (there are several
>>    web-based interfaces for Majordomo).

> But the Mailman web-based interfaces are more comprehensive/better.

But the Mailman e-mail interface does not exist.  It's hard to
compare worse than that...

>>    For the experienced user and list manager, mail-based
>>    interaction is much more efficient.

> Maybe. This is an opinion.

No, experience.  It takes time to load a web page, even if it is
on your own server.  It takes time to type in the username and
password for the list web page and wait for it to cycle through
(and then again and again for each list's web page).

>> 3. This point is somewhat related to the previous one.  To approve
>>    postings in Mailman, you have to go to a web page where
>>    would-be postings pile up for approval.  Wait, how is that if
>>    your list is not moderated, and all subscribers can post?
>>    Well, it's mostly spam piling up then.  And Mailman sends you
>>    one message each day for each piled-up message.  Yes, you can
>>    turn that off, but then you may forget to check that web page
>>    for some time, and legit postings that triggered the filter/
>>    approval mechanism get delayed.  It's just so enormously much
>>    better to do things like message approval or discarding by
>>    E-mail.

> This is, again, an opinion - I prefer a web-based environment.

No, again, it is experience.  Try running 10-15 mailing lists with
Mailman, and have them all spammed with the same spam at the same
time.  If that happens with Majordomo, you get a lot of similar
bounce postings in your mailbox, and can delete them all with one
command.  When it happens in Mailman, you have to go to/download
10-15 web pages, give username and password 10-15 times and click
discard 10-15 times.

>> So, I think Majordomo is absolutely superior to Mailman.  Of
>> course, if Mailman were to get file format filtering and a
>> mail-based interface, things could become more interesting; at
>> least then it would be a competitor.

> I agree on those points - note that Mailman has some superior
> points to Majordomo too

What would those be?  (Not rhetorical, I'm really curious what you
have in mind here.)

> (when did you check Mailman?).

I still have 10-15 lists in Mailman, for the last 5-6 months.

>> Oh, and one more thing:
>> 
>> 4. If you ask a question about Majordomo here at majordomo-users,
>>    in all probability someone will help you solve your problem.
>>    Mailman has a 'similar' list -- at python.org I think it was,
>>    but I'm no longer on it -- however, this Mailman list is a
>>    combined list for tech/development as well as for help.  In
>>    practice this means that if your question is not tech/
>>    development related -- you're just a user/list admin who needs
>>    help with some of Mailman's existing functionality -- then
>>    chances are that noone will answer you.

> Of course those chances are there! But it's very rare - I don't
> know when you were on the list, but it's rare.

It happened twice in a row with me.  The first time I repeated the
question two or three times.  The second time I got the message
(or not, if one is literal).  This must have been somewhere around
3-4-5 months ago.
                      - Thomas
Thomas Gramstad
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<quote name="Thomas Gramstad" date="952202275" email="thomasg@ifi.uio.no">
> >>    For the experienced user and list manager, mail-based
> >>    interaction is much more efficient.
> 
> > Maybe. This is an opinion.
> 
> No, experience.  It takes time to load a web page, even if it is
> on your own server.  It takes time to type in the username and
> password for the list web page and wait for it to cycle through

Bookmarks or Cookies help here.

> >> So, I think Majordomo is absolutely superior to Mailman.  Of
> >> course, if Mailman were to get file format filtering and a
> >> mail-based interface, things could become more interesting; at
> >> least then it would be a competitor.
> 
> > I agree on those points - note that Mailman has some superior
> > points to Majordomo too
> 
> What would those be?  (Not rhetorical, I'm really curious what you
> have in mind here.)

13 points,

    * Multiple list owners/moderators,
    * Hiding address from subscribers lists,
    * Disabling list delivery without unsubscribing (but still having
      access to private archives etc.),
    * Switching from/to digest easily and switching between mime or
      non-mime digest,
    * Autoresponders,
    * Integrated mail-news gatewaying,
    * Smart detection of bounce messages to a list (RFC 1894 and various
      MTA's),
    * Honouring of X-no-Archive header in the builtin archiver,
    * Being able to use a site password everywhere where a list (or user)
      password could be used,
    * Easier install and configuration,
    * Very extensible with direct access to Mailman's internals (really
      useful when handling many lists),
    * Bouncing mail based on number of recipients or having no list address
      in recipient headers,
    * Changes either CR or LF to CRLF,
     
> > (when did you check Mailman?).
> 
> I still have 10-15 lists in Mailman, for the last 5-6 months.

Mailman 1.1, I assume. The Mailman 1.2 beta (soon to be released) contains
much more features (some of the above aren't in 1.1).

<cut thing="community" />
> > Of course those chances are there! But it's very rare - I don't
> > know when you were on the list, but it's rare.
> 
> It happened twice in a row with me.  The first time I repeated the
> question two or three times.  The second time I got the message
> (or not, if one is literal).  This must have been somewhere around
> 3-4-5 months ago.
</quote>

Did you read the list administrators manual?

    http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/

regards,
Gerrit.

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>> Thomas Gramstad
> Gerrit Holl

>> No, experience.  It takes time to load a web page, even if it is
>> on your own server.  It takes time to type in the username and
>> password for the list web page and wait for it to cycle through

> Bookmarks

Depends on the size of the Bookmarks file; mine is big and takes a
long time to load.
You have to type the password again for each new Netscape session;
bookmarking the list page won't prevent that.

> or Cookies help here.

?

>>> I agree on those points - note that Mailman has some superior
>>> points to Majordomo too
 
>> What would those be?  (Not rhetorical, I'm really curious what you
>> have in mind here.)
 
> 13 points,
> 
>     * Multiple list owners/moderators,

No problem in Majordomo.  Just add them to the owner-listname
alias.

>     * Hiding address from subscribers lists,

What?  You can hide the existence of the list from outsiders if
you want to.  You can also hide the entire list of subscribers or
not; but you can't conceal some users and not others on the same
list.  Is that what you meant?  Sure, that would be nice, but not
really important, IMO.

>     * Disabling list delivery without unsubscribing

I've never understood the point of doing this.  There are better
ways of enabling poster privileges to an address without that
address receiving postings (in Majordomo, with the restrict_post
variable, and the restrict_poster file could even be a list
itself).

>       (but still having access to private archives etc.),

Well, if those archives are web-based, they could be password-
protected.
But yes, a private archive-access combined with the restrict_poster
file would be nice.

>     * Switching from/to digest easily

Majordomo has that.

>       and switching between mime or non-mime digest,

>     * Autoresponders,

What about them?

>     * Integrated mail-news gatewaying,

What?  From mail to news: create a local mail alias, subscribe this
to the list; the alias' sole purpose is to forward to the newsgroup.

>     * Smart detection of bounce messages to a list (RFC 1894 and
>       various MTA's),

Agreed.  Major point.  Automatic bounce-handling and unsubscribing
too.  I believe this is in Majordomo v. 2; also there are some 
bounce-handling patches for earlier versions, though I haven't
tried them.

>     * Honouring of X-no-Archive header in the builtin archiver,

Uh... and this means, what?

>     * Being able to use a site password everywhere where a list
>       (or user) password could be used,

What would this accomplish?

>     * Easier install and configuration,

Opinion.  I disagree.

>     * Very extensible with direct access to Mailman's internals
>       really useful when handling many lists),

I don't see the difference here; perhaps I don't know how
extensible Mailman is, but it is possible to give list admins
opportunity to login to the majordomo user, and the code is
available for those who are able and willing to make and add
patches.

>     * Bouncing mail based on number of recipients

Not important, IMO.

>       or having no list address in recipient headers,

Agreed.  Major point.  I miss this, but I believe this is
implemented in Mj v. 2.

>     * Changes either CR or LF to CRLF,

That would be nice.

Some of the other points you raise may also be covered in Mj v. 2;
I'll leave somebody else to address that.

>>> (when did you check Mailman?).
 
>> I still have 10-15 lists in Mailman, for the last 5-6 months.
 
> Mailman 1.1, I assume. The Mailman 1.2 beta (soon to be
> released) contains much more features (some of the above aren't
> in 1.1).

OK.
Of course, I could say the same about Mj v. 2 :-)

>> It happened twice in a row with me.  The first time I repeated
>> the question two or three times.  The second time I got the
>> message (or not, if one is literal).  This must have been
>> somewhere around 3-4-5 months ago.

> Did you read the list administrators manual?

Of course.
                      - Thomas
Thomas Gramstad
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<quote name="Thomas Gramstad" date="952206617" email="thomasg@ifi.uio.no">
> >> Thomas Gramstad
> > Gerrit Holl
> 
> >> No, experience.  It takes time to load a web page, even if it is
> >> on your own server.  It takes time to type in the username and
> >> password for the list web page and wait for it to cycle through
> 
> > Bookmarks
> 
> Depends on the size of the Bookmarks file; mine is big and takes a
> long time to load.
> You have to type the password again for each new Netscape session;
> bookmarking the list page won't prevent that.

Well, you can just bookmark something like:

    ...mailman/admin/list?password="..."

Ugly but handy on your own private machine.

> >     * Multiple list owners/moderators,
> 
> No problem in Majordomo.  Just add them to the owner-listname
> alias.

So the superuser has to do it - in Mailman the list owner can
do it without the superuser doing anything. It would be a hell
if the site owner of www.sourceforge.net would need to su for
every list with multiple owners...

> >     * Hiding address from subscribers lists,
> 
> What?  You can hide the existence of the list from outsiders if
> you want to.  You can also hide the entire list of subscribers or
> not; but you can't conceal some users and not others on the same
> list.  Is that what you meant?  Sure, that would be nice, but not
> really important, IMO.

I meant that a user can say 'I don't want my address on the
subscriber list'. Either for privacy reasons or for spam reasons
(although Mailman does obscure the addresses a bit).

> >     * Disabling list delivery without unsubscribing
> 
> I've never understood the point of doing this.  There are better
> ways of enabling poster privileges to an address without that
> address receiving postings (in Majordomo, with the restrict_post
> variable, and the restrict_poster file could even be a list
> itself).

I don't want my list administrator to have to approve my
unsubscribe and subcribe twice if I'm on holiday - If I
just turn delivery off I can turn it on again without needing
his approval - and for archives and subscriber lists it's
also useful. And for passwords - I can always access my list
info page.

> Well, if those archives are web-based, they could be password-
> protected.

They are in Mailman - the password is the same password as the
list member has.

> >     * Autoresponders,
> 
> What about them?

Well, for a tutorial mailinglist where almost every question could
be answered, it's very useful to autoreply to everyone who didn't
sent a post the last 28 (configurable, 0 for once) days.

> >     * Integrated mail-news gatewaying,
> 
> What?  From mail to news: create a local mail alias, subscribe this
> to the list; the alias' sole purpose is to forward to the newsgroup.

 From news to mail is more difficult. Mailman automatically handles
it - the list owner configures it (without superuser approval as is
needed in your way to do it) and it's done. I know - the user could
create two scripts, add one to the alias, run the other through
cron - the list admin needs an account for this - it's builtin in
Mailman.

> >     * Honouring of X-no-Archive header in the builtin archiver,
> 
> Uh... and this means, what?

Well, Mailman has a builtin archiver, and that archiver does not
archive messages where the 'X-no-archive' (or something similar) is
set.

> >     * Being able to use a site password everywhere where a list
> >       (or user) password could be used,
> 
> What would this accomplish?

If a list owner forgets his password, the site owner can easily
change it. A list owner can also force user option changes
this way (although it's easier done from the list admin page).

> >     * Very extensible with direct access to Mailman's internals
> >       really useful when handling many lists),
> 
> I don't see the difference here; perhaps I don't know how
> extensible Mailman is, but it is possible to give list admins
> opportunity to login to the majordomo user, and the code is
> available for those who are able and willing to make and add
> patches.

No patches - all Mailman lists are available as Python class
instances, so one can manipulate them without having to change
Mailman itself. Mailman has a programmer API.

> >     * Bouncing mail based on number of recipients
> 
> Not important, IMO.

I think it is - mail with tons of recipients is always spam.

> Some of the other points you raise may also be covered in Mj v. 2;
> I'll leave somebody else to address that.

Someone else already did.

> >>> (when did you check Mailman?).
>  
> >> I still have 10-15 lists in Mailman, for the last 5-6 months.
>  
> > Mailman 1.1, I assume. The Mailman 1.2 beta (soon to be
> > released) contains much more features (some of the above aren't
> > in 1.1).
> 
> OK.
> Of course, I could say the same about Mj v. 2 :-)

Yes. I agree MJ 2 has some excellent features Mailman doesn't have.
But the difference is: Mailman 1.2 beta is more stable. It's run on
www.python.org - there's no production server yet running Mj2, is
there?

</quote>

regards,
Gerrit.

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It is hard to argue that having **only** a web based interface is better
than having the choice of an email interface **and** and a web based
interface.  However, it is obvious that the person who sent the original
email had already made up his mind.  That is his privilege, by then, why
ask the question at all?

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On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

> >> Thomas Gramstad
> > Gerrit Holl
> 
> >> 2. Mailman allows only web-based interaction with the listserver.
> >>    That is, you can't do things by E-mail; you have to do things
> >>    via a web-page, and this is SLOW.  Much slower than using
> >>    E-mail.  Sure, a web-based interface may be easier to use for
> >>    newbie users and subscribers, so a good listserver should offer
> >>    both options -- both web-based and E-mail based interaction
> >>    with the listserver, like Majordomo does (there are several
> >>    web-based interfaces for Majordomo).
> 
> > But the Mailman web-based interfaces are more comprehensive/better.
> 
> But the Mailman e-mail interface does not exist.  It's hard to
> compare worse than that...
> 
> >>    For the experienced user and list manager, mail-based
> >>    interaction is much more efficient.
> 
> > Maybe. This is an opinion.
> 
> No, experience.  It takes time to load a web page, even if it is
> on your own server.  It takes time to type in the username and
> password for the list web page and wait for it to cycle through
> (and then again and again for each list's web page).
> 
> >> 3. This point is somewhat related to the previous one.  To approve
> >>    postings in Mailman, you have to go to a web page where
> >>    would-be postings pile up for approval.  Wait, how is that if
> >>    your list is not moderated, and all subscribers can post?
> >>    Well, it's mostly spam piling up then.  And Mailman sends you
> >>    one message each day for each piled-up message.  Yes, you can
> >>    turn that off, but then you may forget to check that web page
> >>    for some time, and legit postings that triggered the filter/
> >>    approval mechanism get delayed.  It's just so enormously much
> >>    better to do things like message approval or discarding by
> >>    E-mail.
> 
> > This is, again, an opinion - I prefer a web-based environment.
> 
> No, again, it is experience.  Try running 10-15 mailing lists with
> Mailman, and have them all spammed with the same spam at the same
> time.  If that happens with Majordomo, you get a lot of similar
> bounce postings in your mailbox, and can delete them all with one
> command.  When it happens in Mailman, you have to go to/download
> 10-15 web pages, give username and password 10-15 times and click
> discard 10-15 times.
> 
> >> So, I think Majordomo is absolutely superior to Mailman.  Of
> >> course, if Mailman were to get file format filtering and a
> >> mail-based interface, things could become more interesting; at
> >> least then it would be a competitor.
> 
> > I agree on those points - note that Mailman has some superior
> > points to Majordomo too
> 
> What would those be?  (Not rhetorical, I'm really curious what you
> have in mind here.)
> 
> > (when did you check Mailman?).
> 
> I still have 10-15 lists in Mailman, for the last 5-6 months.
> 
> >> Oh, and one more thing:
> >> 
> >> 4. If you ask a question about Majordomo here at majordomo-users,
> >>    in all probability someone will help you solve your problem.
> >>    Mailman has a 'similar' list -- at python.org I think it was,
> >>    but I'm no longer on it -- however, this Mailman list is a
> >>    combined list for tech/development as well as for help.  In
> >>    practice this means that if your question is not tech/
> >>    development related -- you're just a user/list admin who needs
> >>    help with some of Mailman's existing functionality -- then
> >>    chances are that noone will answer you.
> 
> > Of course those chances are there! But it's very rare - I don't
> > know when you were on the list, but it's rare.
> 
> It happened twice in a row with me.  The first time I repeated the
> question two or three times.  The second time I got the message
> (or not, if one is literal).  This must have been somewhere around
> 3-4-5 months ago.
>                       - Thomas
> Thomas Gramstad
> thomasg@ifi.uio.no
> "Any sufficiently advanced operating system is indistinguishable
> from Linux."  -- Jim Dennis
> 


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At 10:50 PM 3/4/00 +0100, you wrote:

> >     * Being able to use a site password everywhere where a list
> >       (or user) password could be used,
>
>What would this accomplish?

Actually, I do this in majordomo 1.x.  I make the listname.passwd file for 
each list a link to <master.passwd>.  Presto, one password that works 
everywhere majordomo requires a password.

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<quote name="Seth Kurtzberg" date="952185455" email="seth@cql.com">
> It is hard to argue that having **only** a web based interface is better
> than having the choice of an email interface **and** and a web based
> interface.  However, it is obvious that the person who sent the original
> email had already made up his mind.  That is his privilege, by then, why
> ask the question at all?
</quote>

Because it was the only Majordomo advantage I knew of.

regards,
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Hi--

i've got wilma installed and running with majordomo 1.94.4 and things seem
to be going fairly well.  The one thing that won't seem to work is wilma's
adding the "Raw Archive" field and links to those files to the main
wilma search/broswe webpage.  It seems to be creating many symlinks to the
actual directory where majordomo does archiving.  And it's not a
permissions issue; the webserver error log says nothing.

Do I need to forego having two separate directories and have majordomo
dump the archive right into the wilma archive directory?  

Also, can anyone give me a better explanation of what to do with
.glimpse_filters?  The wilma README is a bit lacking:

7)  Create a subdirectory named index to hold the Glimpse files. Copy
    the .glimpse_exclude and .glimpse_filter files into the index
    directory, making sure to edit .glimpse_filters as appropriate to
    point to the real path to wilma_striphtml.


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Hi,
I'm new to this list.
I've installed the majordomo software which seems to be working properly. 
However, I can't find information on how to create a new list. I've found a 
website that helps me creating one, but I still can't send messages to the 
list I've created. Is there a guide to creating new lists?

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I am attempting to configure majordomo with exim. Can anyone tell me what 
pipe transport directives are required in the majordomo aliases director to 
get it to work please. I can echo from the command line from any user at 
localhost and get the correct output. Reading the majordomo/exim webpage it 
is dealing with version 1.6 of exim and I am using 3.12.

I'm at ends!!! trying to work out the problem. Both exim and majordomo I am 
new to so any help would be appreciated
Thx in advance
Brad


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It's in the NEWLIST file in the distribution.

Patrick

On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, Christine Karman wrote:

:I've installed the majordomo software which seems to be working properly. 
:However, I can't find information on how to create a new list. I've found a 
:website that helps me creating one, but I still can't send messages to the 
:list I've created. Is there a guide to creating new lists?


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Brad,

Is this what you are looking for? This is the director that I use.

majordomo_aliases:
  driver = aliasfile
  file_transport = address_file
  pipe_transport = address_pipe
  file = /etc/majordomo.aliases
  search_type = lsearch
  user = majordom
  group = majordom



Brad wrote:

> I am attempting to configure majordomo with exim. Can anyone tell me what
> pipe transport directives are required in the majordomo aliases director to
> get it to work please. I can echo from the command line from any user at
> localhost and get the correct output. Reading the majordomo/exim webpage it
> is dealing with version 1.6 of exim and I am using 3.12.
>
> I'm at ends!!! trying to work out the problem. Both exim and majordomo I am
> new to so any help would be appreciated
> Thx in advance
> Brad


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Hello everybody.  I am having trouble getting majordomo to successfully
setup on my BSDi server.  I would like for someone to login and see what
they can do.  If you would be interested, there might be some payment for
you.

You can contact me privately at: <caleb@inetwiz.com>

Thanks,
Caleb Newville

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Hi,

We recently encountered a problem with our Majordomo list in that the
subscribers to this list are now receiving 8 or more copies of the email
message that is being sent. We have a restricted list and we are the only
ones who can post a message to this list. It was working fine until recently
and the only changes have been in the amount of subscribers as it currently
contains just over 7500 email addresses and this is an increase of around
1000 email addresses since the last time we used it. We do feel it is due to
the size of our list now and would really appreciate any advice on how to
resolve this.

Sincerely,
Charlie


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Ali & Charlie wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We recently encountered a problem with our Majordomo list in that the
> subscribers to this list are now receiving 8 or more copies of the email
> message that is being sent. We have a restricted list and we are the only

All the copies have the same time stamp, right?  If sendmail cannont
confirm that it delivered the email, it will try again until it gets
that confirmation.  It sounds like it's actually sending the email ok,
but the confirmation packet is never making it back to your system so
sendmail sends it again.  The answer I think is to lower the maximum
number of connections.  But I'm not a sendmail guru.
-- 
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I would suggest that you look for a mail loop.  Possibly some of your 
subscribers (or their MTA) is auto replying to the message.

Julian.

At 10:49 AM 3/7/2000 +0000, Ali & Charlie wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>We recently encountered a problem with our Majordomo list in that the
>subscribers to this list are now receiving 8 or more copies of the email
>message that is being sent. We have a restricted list and we are the only
>ones who can post a message to this list. It was working fine until recently
>and the only changes have been in the amount of subscribers as it currently
>contains just over 7500 email addresses and this is an increase of around
>1000 email addresses since the last time we used it. We do feel it is due to
>the size of our list now and would really appreciate any advice on how to
>resolve this.
>
>Sincerely,
>Charlie


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Hello,

I am experiencing a problem with my majorcool 1.3.1 setup.  I have cruised 
through the last 10 months of the majordomo-users mailing list archive and 
seen a number of messages posted that are similar to mine but I've had 
trouble finding a recommended solution.  Hope you can help.  Here's the 
situation:

- Linux RedHat 6.0
- sendmail
- Majordomo 1.94.5
- Majorcool 1.3.1

Using the Majorcool interface, I can browse the lists but I can not modify 
the list subscribers.  When I browse the list, it shows the list 
subscribers.  When I enter the list to modify the list subscribers, the box 
is empty.  When I add subscriber addresses, majordomo unsubscribes the 
persons on the list and subscribes the new addresses.

Any suggestions?

- Jen



---
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Ali & Charlie <dynamicduo@designheaven.com> wrote on Tue, 07 Mar 2000:
> We recently encountered a problem with our Majordomo list in that the
> subscribers to this list are now receiving 8 or more copies of the email
> message that is being sent.

What do the headers of the multiple copies say, where are the duplicates
getting generated?  Maybe there's a mail loop somewhere, possibly one of
those newly added addresses.


Mikko
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Where are we going?  And why are we in this handbasket???

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Hello,

While I'm not "pro-MJ" or "pro-mailman", I thought I'd throw in some info 
about MJ2, just so people are aware of what it can do. While I'm not a MJ2 
expert, I do believe all claims I made are true. Just keep in mind I wasn't 
looking at the manual or the code while I responded to this message, I was 
going off my memory.

> > 1. Mailman doesn't have functionality for filtering out attachments
> >    (HTML, Word-docs, winmail, RTF etc.).  This means that with a
> >    Mailman list, anything gets through, no matter what format it
> >    is written in.  (Unless you make the list moderated, but that's
> >    a heavy-handed solution for that problem.)  Sure, you can
> >    twiddle with maximum size limits of messages, but that doesn't
> >    really solve the problem, only alleviate it a little bit.
> >
> >    With Majordomo you can fine-tune what text and file formats you
> >    want to allow on your list (perl regexps).
> >
> >    I think this factor alone is sufficient reason to prefer
> >    Majordomo.
>
>Well, you can reject based on regexps, but filtering out attachements
>on regexps alone in a mess indeed.

MJ2 supports a mime-type filter, where you can accept the attachment, 
reject the entire message, consult, or discard the attachment but still let 
the message through based on the MIME type. You can even use wildcards (DOS 
or RegEx style) if you want to, so you can easily reject all MIME 
attachments, or just GIFs, or any image type, etc.

> > 2. Mailman allows only web-based interaction with the listserver.
> >    That is, you can't do things by E-mail; you have to do things
> >    via a web-page, and this is SLOW.  Much slower than using
> >    E-mail.  Sure, a web-based interface may be easier to use for
> >    newbie users and subscribers, so a good listserver should offer
> >    both options -- both web-based and E-mail based interaction
> >    with the listserver, like Majordomo does (there are several
> >    web-based interfaces for Majordomo).
>
>But the Mailman web-based interfaces are more comprehensive/better.

Mailman does have a nice web interface. At one time I was trying to write a 
slick interface for MJ2, but that project has been back-burnered. Hopefully 
someday I will be able to resume it.

> > > I agree on those points - note that Mailman has some superior
> > > points to Majordomo too
> >
> > What would those be?  (Not rhetorical, I'm really curious what you
> > have in mind here.)
>
>13 points,
>
>     * Multiple list owners/moderators,

MJ2 supports this as well. It can even "load balance" moderated messages 
among the moderators if I remember correctly. And this can be done via the 
email or any other supported interface (of which email and shell prompt are 
the only two as of this date)

>     * Hiding address from subscribers lists,

It's already been mentioned that MJ and MJ2 can suppress an entire list 
from appearing in a site's hosted lists list (say that 5 times fast :). MJ2 
also allows owner/administrator can select the privileges a list user can 
change. Some of those privileges are: turn on/off inclusion of self in 
lists of subscribers, turn on/off CC to self, turn on/off message subject 
prefix, select verbosity of acknowledgements, message delivery schedules 
(including a NOMAIL and VACATION mode, where you can suspend message 
delivery indefinitely or for some user-specified duration at which you will 
automatically resume message delivery). Each list can also have a variety 
of digest forms, which can include plain text or mime, full digest, index 
only, or combined types, or any number of configurable time spans/sizes. 
For my mailing lists I have daily and weekly digests.

>     * Disabling list delivery without unsubscribing (but still having
>       access to private archives etc.),

MJ2 supports this too, see above.

>     * Switching from/to digest easily and switching between mime or
>       non-mime digest,

MJ2 supports this too, see above.

>     * Autoresponders,

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "autoresponders" - I mean, I know 
what an autoresponder is, but I don't understand what specifically is being 
autoresponded to.. Can you elaborate?

>     * Integrated mail-news gatewaying,

MJ2 does not support this directly (that I know of), but according to 
another message:
>> From mail to news: create a local mail alias, subscribe this
>>to the list; the alias' sole purpose is to forward to the newsgroup.

>     * Smart detection of bounce messages to a list (RFC 1894 and various
>       MTA's),

MJ2 does can be configured to bounce probe addresses, but I've never used it.

>     * Honouring of X-no-Archive header in the builtin archiver,

I don't know if there is a similar feature in MJ or MJ2, I'm going to 
venture a guess and say this probably isn't currently supported in either.

>     * Being able to use a site password everywhere where a list (or user)
>       password could be used,

In MJ2 a list can have a variety of passwords, on per 
administrator/moderator, one "global" password for the list, and a "global" 
password for the entire domain that works on all lists within the domain. 
All passwords are modifiable in any of the current interfaces (email, shell).

>     * Easier install and configuration,

MJ2 was much easier to install/configure than the original Majordomo. Not 
sure about how this compares to Mailman. I personally didn't want to 
install mailman because I didn't want to add yet another language to the 
system.

>     * Very extensible with direct access to Mailman's internals (really
>       useful when handling many lists),

>No patches - all Mailman lists are available as Python class
>instances, so one can manipulate them without having to change
>Mailman itself. Mailman has a programmer API.

MJ2 has an exposed object structure (API) that is intended to allow the 
easy "plugging in" of new functionality just by using or encapsulating the 
objects. However, the docs are a bit disjointed and there is a learning 
curve. It is this "plug in" style of coding I am using to write the web 
interface for MJ2. But apples-to-apples, this functionality seems to be 
comparable between the two.

 > > * Bouncing mail based on number of recipients

MJ2 can limit the size of any specific header or the group of headers as a 
whole. You can also assign costs to various rules and reject messages if 
they "cost" too much or bend too many rules. It's a very flexible system on 
the number of ways you can rip apart a message. I'm personally pretty happy 
with the simple "vanilla" rules.

>Yes. I agree MJ 2 has some excellent features Mailman doesn't have.
>But the difference is: Mailman 1.2 beta is more stable. It's run on
>www.python.org - there's no production server yet running Mj2, is
>there?

I'm using MJ2 for my sites with multiple lists currently, with no problems. 
But, I'm not pushing a large number of messages daily, either. The 
principal site is www.soundcentral.com. I think there has been one noted 
"delay while file is locked" issue with a minor patch to correct it, but I 
haven't had any problems myself. There are, however, some things I'd really 
like to see happen with MJ2 that aren't really negative in themselves, but 
would really make life easier if they were a part of MJ2.

Another cool thing about MJ2 is the ability to smartly organize the 
outbound messages into bundles to intelligently send them to various MX 
servers, including pre-sorting messages. So you could conceivably bundle 
geographically similar messages (or all-on-a-host) and deliver them to the 
host to divvy up. It works well with sendmail, but also plugs directly into 
qmail queue's (i think that is what it's called). I would venture to say it 
can be used with any MX server.

Anyhow, there were things I like about MJ2, and things I like about 
Mailman. I'm chose MJ2 because it seemed to have a bit more flexibility. 
The main perk I see for mailman is the slick web-based UI, but I hope to 
someday have one for MJ2.

Anyhow, that's my $.04   :)

--James


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Hi All,

I have recently setup Majordomo on a Intel based Linux system (RedHat 6.1).
The majordomo daemon keeps dying once in a while. What could be the reason
behind this. I will appreciate any help in this regard.

Thanks and have a great day!

Vivek

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Hello,

my majordomo-1.94.4-5 on RH 6.1 with sendmail-8.8.7-20 started to send
from time to time the following message:

From: majordomo@myhost
Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)

--


MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

majordomo@myhost punting to avoid mail loop.

Although I get the message, lists seem to work normally in general -
maybe it's just that some messages don't get sent? What may cause the
punting?

Jacek Juda


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Ali & Charlie wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We recently encountered a problem with our Majordomo list in that the
> subscribers to this list are now receiving 8 or more copies of the email
> message that is being sent. We have a restricted list and we are the only
> ones who can post a message to this list. It was working fine until recently
> and the only changes have been in the amount of subscribers as it currently
> contains just over 7500 email addresses and this is an increase of around
> 1000 email addresses since the last time we used it. We do feel it is due to
> the size of our list now and would really appreciate any advice on how to
> resolve this.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Charlie

My guess is that one of your subscriber has the auto-reply active on his
mail account.

Quang.

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I've answered my own question and thought I would post the solution in case 
anyone experiences the same problem.  I found that there was a 1.3.2 
version of Majorcool.  I found it at 
http://www.freebsd.org/~andreas/download/ .  Installing this version 
corrected the problem I was experiencing.

- Jen


At 09:57 AM 3/7/2000 -0600, Jennifer Mein wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I am experiencing a problem with my majorcool 1.3.1 setup.  I have cruised 
>through the last 10 months of the majordomo-users mailing list archive and 
>seen a number of messages posted that are similar to mine but I've had 
>trouble finding a recommended solution.  Hope you can help.  Here's the 
>situation:
>
>- Linux RedHat 6.0
>- sendmail
>- Majordomo 1.94.5
>- Majorcool 1.3.1
>
>Using the Majorcool interface, I can browse the lists but I can not modify 
>the list subscribers.  When I browse the list, it shows the list 
>subscribers.  When I enter the list to modify the list subscribers, the 
>box is empty.  When I add subscriber addresses, majordomo unsubscribes the 
>persons on the list and subscribes the new addresses.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>- Jen



---
Jen Mein			"Work like you don't need the money.
Web Administrator		 Love like you've never been hurt.
University of Minnesota	 Dance like nobody's watching."
College of Liberal Arts
110 Anderson Hall
626-9638


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Hello once again.  With the help of some fellow users, I have narrowed
the problem down to a missing 'getopts.pl' file being "included" in the
"resend" script.  This is mj 1.94.5 on BSDi.

Again, if anyone has some help, please direct it on over to:
caleb@inetwiz.com or back to the list.

Thanks Again,
Caleb Newville 

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From: Jeff Lasman <jblists@nobaloney.net>
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At 10:38 AM 3/7/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I have recently setup Majordomo on a Intel based Linux system (RedHat 6.1).
>The majordomo daemon keeps dying once in a while. What could be the reason
>behind this. I will appreciate any help in this regard.

There is NO majordomo daemon.

Majordomo runs through perl scripts that get incoming posts and/or control 
messages passed to them.

Jeff

--
Jeff Lasman <jblists@nobaloney.net>


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Which process is dying?  As Jeff noted, Major doesn't use a daemon.  Do
you mean sendmail is dying?

Seth Kurtzberg
Machine Independent Software
Cell (602) 478-5511
Fax: (480) 614-8909
email:  seth@cql.com
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On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Jeff Lasman wrote:

> At 10:38 AM 3/7/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I have recently setup Majordomo on a Intel based Linux system (RedHat 6.1).
> >The majordomo daemon keeps dying once in a while. What could be the reason
> >behind this. I will appreciate any help in this regard.
> 
> There is NO majordomo daemon.
> 
> Majordomo runs through perl scripts that get incoming posts and/or control 
> messages passed to them.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> --
> Jeff Lasman <jblists@nobaloney.net>
> 


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I don't think this one went out to the list last time (something must have
hit adm*n*str*v*a despite best attempts) I sent it but apols to anyone who
gets it twice.

I know d*gests is a continually recurring question - sorry! - but
unfortunately I haven't seen an answer we can easily implement. How do we
generate a daily or weekly d*gest that automatically goes out to d*gest
s*bscribers without access to cr*n? I _think_ I've got the ali*ses right and
I have max days set to 1 and max lines set to 50 (about a day's worth on the
list in question) in the main list c*nfig and in the d*gest c*nfig yet
nothing happens. I've tried the "ech* mkd*gest blah blah" command suggested
in the FAQ but all it does is mail out the command to the address given in
the command.

Here's the ali*ses:-

# Dingo mailing list
dingo: "|/usr/local/m*jordomo/wr*pper r*send -l dingo -h dingo.org
dingo-list"
dingo-list:  :include:/usr/local/m*jordomo/lists/dingo, dingo-archive,
dingo-digest
dingo-archive: /usr/local/m*jordomo/lists/arch*ve/dingo-arch*ve
dingo-digest: /usr/local/m*jordomo/lists/d*gest/dingo-d*gest
owner-dingo: dingo-owner
dingo-owner: me@myISP.com
owner-dingo-list: dingo-owner
owner-dingo-request: dingo-owner
owner-dingo-arch*ve: dingo-owner
owner-dingo-d*gest: dingo-owner
dingo-approv*l: listadminPOPbox
dingo-request: "|/usr/local/m*jordomo/wr*pper request-answer dingo"

You're all busy, I know, but any help more than gratefully received.

Many thanks

Bob (NOT the Bob below, who asked about digests last week!)


>-----Original Message-----
>From: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM
>[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM]On Behalf Of Bob
>Sent: 04 March 2000 02:36
>To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
>Subject: Re: digests
>
>
>Just wanted to thank everyone for all the replies. I have my digest ran by
>cron, and all is working well. Thanks again! This is a great list!
>
>Bob
>mirader@zoso.net
>
>
>On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Mike Oliver wrote:
>
>> "Bob" <mirader@zoso.net> asked:
>> >Just curious if there is any possible way to configure a digest to
>> >generate at the same time every day regardless of the size? Like say
>> >midnight.
>>
>> Yes.  First make sure 'digest' invoked from the mail alias for incoming
>> messages never generates a digest automatically (use the -R option
>> instead of -r), then set up a cron job to run at the appropriate time
>> and trigger the creation of a digest.  Your cron job can either run as
>> your majordomo user and run the digest command directly (use the -m
>> option to force a digest, and the -C and -l options to select which
>> digest to build), or run as some other user and mail a 'mkdigest'
>> command to Majordomo.  I do the latter; my crontab says:
>>
>>     # issue majordomo digests at 4pm every day
>>     0 16 * * *      $HOME/bin/make-list-digest
>>
>> where $HOME/bin/make-list-digest is a script that emails a mkdigest
>> command to Majordomo.
>>
>> Mike.
>> --
>> mike.oliver@eng.sun.com
>>
>


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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:31:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Merrill <kmerrill@listserv.nses.com>
To: Majordomo Help <Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Precedence ??
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The MD Default for list precedence is "bulk", could someone educate me as
what the other options are for precedence ? I have a few lists that are of
high importance to our organization, and I fear that some mail clients may
be getting smart enough for the users to Auto-shitcan "bulk" e-mail, and
do not want messages from my listserver to be victim to the kill file
rules.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

v/r

Kevin Merrill


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To: Jeff Lasman <jblists@nobaloney.net>, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:26:32 -0800 
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Hi Jeff,

I was not aware that majordomo does not run as a daemon (I set it up for the
first time). Thanks for pointing it out to me. 

Thanks and have a great day!

Vivek

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lasman [mailto:jblists@nobaloney.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 5:49 PM
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Majordomo Daemon dies out on Linux


At 10:38 AM 3/7/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I have recently setup Majordomo on a Intel based Linux system (RedHat 6.1).
>The majordomo daemon keeps dying once in a while. What could be the reason
>behind this. I will appreciate any help in this regard.

There is NO majordomo daemon.

Majordomo runs through perl scripts that get incoming posts and/or control 
messages passed to them.

Jeff

--
Jeff Lasman <jblists@nobaloney.net>

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:16:21 -0500
From: Tim Hewitt <thewitt@fairchildsemi.com>
Subject: Headers too long
To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM
Message-id: <38C6C324.7A2D57E6@fairchildsemi.com>
Organization: Fairchild Semiconductor
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Is there some way to strip the headers out as they pass through resend? I've got
some internal lists with large - 3000 byte - headers, and though I have
Majordomo 1.9.4 set to let headers pass if they are less than 4096 bytes, it
would be nice if I could just strip them out if they were larger than "n" bytes.

Any such options I'm missing?

Thanks,

-Tim
-- 
Tim Hewitt 
Principal Software Engineer
Fairchild Semiconductor

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:42:04 -0500
From: Bobby Wintemberg <eagle3@linuxfan.com>
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Everytime I try to use my mailing list I get this error (I even tried
removing the extra /):
   ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
"|//usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -A -a blahblah131 -R -r youthbeat
-l
youthbeat -h linuxrealm.dyndns.org youthbeat-outgoing"
    (expanded from: <youthbeat@localhost>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
"|//usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -A -a blahblah131 -R -r youthbeat
-l
youthbeat -h linuxrealm.dyndns.org youthbeat-outgoing"... Deferred
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 5 days old

--
Bobby Wintemberg - eagle3@linuxfan.com
http://linuxrealm.dyndns.org
#linux on irc.starchat.net



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<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Everytime I try to use my mailing list I get this error (I even tried removing
the extra /):
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal
errors -----
<br>"|//usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -A -a blahblah131 -R -r youthbeat
-l
<br>youthbeat -h linuxrealm.dyndns.org youthbeat-outgoing"
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (expanded from: &lt;youthbeat@localhost>)
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; ----- Transcript of session follows -----
<br>"|//usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -A -a blahblah131 -R -r youthbeat
-l
<br>youthbeat -h linuxrealm.dyndns.org youthbeat-outgoing"... Deferred
<br>Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
<br>Will keep trying until message is 5 days old
<pre>--
Bobby Wintemberg - eagle3@linuxfan.com
<A HREF="http://linuxrealm.dyndns.org">http://linuxrealm.dyndns.org</A>
#linux on irc.starchat.net</pre>
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From majordomo-users-owner  Wed Mar  8 14:31:44 2000
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Subject: Majordomo on BSDi -- post 3
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OK, Thanks for putting up with me, I have fixed my perl installation.  Now
I have this:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -h inetwiz.com -l"
    (expanded from: <announce@inetwiz.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
resend: Getopts() failed:  at /usr/local/majordomo/resend line 75.
554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -h inetwiz.com -l"... unknown mailer error 255

   ----- Original message follows -----

When I type that command at my telnet prompt (.../wrapper resend -h...),
the command line tells me it can't find "resend".  I checked the "homedir"
setting in majordomo.cf and it is set to /usr/local/majordomo

If anyone has any encounters with this type of thing (mj 1.94.5 on BSDi),
to the list or me (caleb@inetwiz.com)

Thanks...

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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:31:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Oliver <Mike.Oliver@Eng.Sun.COM>
Reply-To: Mike Oliver <Mike.Oliver@Eng.Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: Precedence ??
To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
Cc: kmerrill@listserv.nses.com
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Kevin Merrill <kmerrill@listserv.nses.com> wrote:
> The MD Default for list precedence is "bulk", could someone educate me
> as what the other options are for precedence ?

The "Precedence:" header is not officially defined, it's just one of
those things that somebody whipped up out of thin air.  See RFC 2076
for a survey of official and unofficial header fields.  "bulk" is the
usual value, but 2076 claims that "first-class" is also common and I've
seen "junk", "generic-junk", "info" and "auto_reply" in automated
responses from ISP abuse desks.

You can set the content of the header to whatever you want in the
list's .config file, or set it to nothing if you want to omit it
completely.  (However, it looks as though 'digest' will insist on
adding a "Precedence:" header and will use "bulk" if you don't provide
your own value.  Looks like a bug to me.)

> I have a few lists that are of high importance to our organization, and
> I fear that some mail clients may be getting smart enough for the users
> to Auto-shitcan "bulk" e-mail, and do not want messages from my
> listserver to be victim to the kill file rules.

Any mail client "smart" enough to do that as a default should be taken
out and shot.  It's not as though it's going to be any kind of defence
against spam, it's just going to discard things that come through lists
run through MD or Lyris (and perhaps other packages).

If, on the other hand, your users are deliberately configuring their
clients to discard your list mail then there's probably nothing you can
do to stop them -- if you remove or modify the 'Precedence:' header
they'll just key on something else.

Regards, Mike.
-- 
mike.oliver@eng.sun.com


From majordomo-users-owner  Wed Mar  8 17:37:04 2000
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Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:13:35 EST
Subject: Customizing major-domo - Please respond
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
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Hello, 

First off, I apologize for not being very technical and knowledgeable on this 
subject.  I use majo-domo to manage a commercial mailing list.  It has gone 
very well...however I'm hoping for a few things.  One, is it possible for the 
program to be specially written for my use so that users on the list CANNOT 
have the ability to acquire the list?  This area concerns me because if 
someone on the list knew what they were doing, they could acquire my list.  
Secondly, I've had some problems with bad e-mail addresses on the list 
causing a mailing to be triggered two, three, sometimes even four times.  I 
wonder if that can be prevented. Essentially, I'm asking if majo-domo can be 
customized a little for my needs.  If so, I'd be perfectly willing to pay for 
that and I would bring in my technical person to explain exactly what I need. 
 

Again, forgive me for my crude understanding of this great program.  

Regards, 
John Hansen 


From majordomo-users-owner  Wed Mar  8 17:48:46 2000
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:30:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Josh Schultz <seti@flatirons.org>
To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM
Subject: importing 5,000 emails
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Hi, I have a list of 5,000 email addresses.  And before I install
majordomo I need to know if I can "import" this list (just a textfile with
the emails) into a majordomo "list"?
Please respond to me...not the whole list.  thanx



From majordomo-users-owner  Wed Mar  8 18:03:34 2000
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From: Tim McGhee <tmcghee@cwfa.org>
To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: automated list maintenance, but no distribution - how?
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:42:29 -0500 
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I'm not sure if I now enough to get this out, but if you're reading this
that means I'm one step closer.  :)

OK, what's the best way to get it so that people can easily un/subscribe to
a list (no confirmation steps, etc. - i.e. "open"), but that no one on or
off the list can send any messages to the list subscribers?  Would one do
this in the main majordomo.cf file or the list's configuration file?

Thanks,
Tim

tmcghee@cwfa.org


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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:59:44 -0500
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
From: Julian Easterling <jeasterl@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Subscription web interface
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Thanks to everyone who help me get Majordomo up and running.  It is running
seemlessly now.

Does anyone know of a good web interface that will allow users to subscribe
and unsubscribe directly from a web page?

Is there a way to combine the confirmation and "command succeeded" emails?
Is there a way to combine the welcome and command confirmation too?

I have been hearing a lot about Majordomo V2,  Where do I get more
technical details and/or download of a beta? 


From majordomo-users-owner  Wed Mar  8 18:33:34 2000
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:49:26 -0800
From: Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org>
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To: Mark Tigges <mtigges@reboot.com>
CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, rap@reboot.com
Subject: Re: ?? Administering multiple lists
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Mark Tigges wrote:

> We have what is becoming a serious problem.
> Two internal lists ('trivia' and 'news') are
> being cross posted frequently.  Some users
> who are subscribed to both dislike getting
> the same message twice.

	Assuming that you never want the cross posts to occur, you can add each
list to the other list's taboo headers list.

Doug
-- 
"Welcome to the desert of the real." 

    - Laurence Fishburne as Morpheus, "The Matrix"


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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 01:59:38 -0500
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
From: Julian Easterling <jeasterl@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: An Interesting problem
Mime-Version: 1.0
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I just found out a solution to this problem and others out there may run
across this.

At work, We have an Exchange Mail Server running.  We can access our inbox
via a web interface.

When I tried to subscribe to my mailing list, the confirmation comes back.
I strip out everything except for the auth line and then I send it back to
the list server.  The return email is not the welcome email but is a
MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! ... punting to avoid mail loop. I have
seen this error pop up on the list from time to time.

I then "telnet" to port 25 of my list server and went thorough the commands
as if I were that exchange server talking to my SMTP server with the auth
line from the previous email.  What do you know, I get the welcome message
to my list a few minutes later.

I hope that this helps someone out there.

-Julian.


From majordomo-users-owner  Wed Mar  8 19:03:34 2000
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From: "Justin Derry" <j.derry@speedwell.com.au>
To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Speed
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:40:00 +1000
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01BF89C4.954537C0
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	charset="iso-8859-1"
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I know this may not be the best list for this however,
Has anyone tried speeding sendmail 8.9.3 up so that=20
majordomo delivers alot faster.
I always end up with a heap of email accounts in queue fro a long time.
Cheers
Justin Derry
Information Systems Manager
Speedwell Media Pty Ltd
Ph: 07 3236 9737
Fx: 07 3236 9738
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Ver 1.94.3 config file returns the follow error from a virgin Majordomo
config file

unknown key [keyword.] in file (my list name).new.config at line 37

When I count lines from the top in the config file I find that line 37 falls
in the middle of the remarks.  Does anybody have a clue what my problem is?





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Thanks to everyone who help me get Majordomo up and running.  It is running
seemlessly now.

Does anyone know of a good web interface that will allow users to subscribe
and unsubscribe directly from a web page?

Is there a way to combine the confirmation and "command succeeded" emails?
Is there a way to combine the welcome and command confirmation too?

I have been hearing a a lot about Majordomo V2,  Where do I get more
technical details and/or download of a beta?


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Hello All

I have tried to set up majordomo on Mandrake Linux 7.0 (very similar to
RedHat 6.2) with no success. The install steps work fine, including the
config-test step. The MTA is postfix. I get the following result.

> <majordomo@ee1170.ee.uts.edu.au>: Command died with status 1:
>     "/home/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo"

If I direct the incomming message to the wrapper via the .forward
process, it works fine. Any idea what is wrong?

Many thanks

Rob

Dr. Robin M. Braun
Group Head, Telecommunications Engineering
University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
http://www.eng.uts.edu.au/~robinb/personal



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Subject: RE: digests
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I know digests is a continually recurring question - sorry! - but
unfortunately I haven't seen an answer we can easily implement. How do we
generate - without access to cron - a daily or weekly digest that
automatically goes out to digest s*bscribers? I *think* I've got the aliases
right and I have max days set to 1 and max lines set to 50 (about a day's
worth on the list in question) in the main list config and in the digest
config yet nothing happens. I've tried the "echo mkdigest blah blah" command
suggested in the FAQ but all it does is mail out the command to the address
given in the command.

Here's the aliases:-

# Dingo mailing list
dingo: "|/usr/local/m*jordomo/wrapper resend -l dingo -h dingo.org
dingo-list"
dingo-list:  :include:/usr/local/m*jordomo/lists/dingo, dingo-archive,
dingo-digest
dingo-archive: /usr/local/m*jordomo/lists/archive/dingo-archive
dingo-digest: /usr/local/m*jordomo/lists/digest/dingo-digest
owner-dingo: dingo-owner
dingo-owner: me@myISP.com
owner-dingo-list: dingo-owner
owner-dingo-request: dingo-owner
owner-dingo-archive: dingo-owner
owner-dingo-digest: dingo-owner
dingo-approval: listadminPOPbox
dingo-request: "|/usr/local/m*jordomo/wrapper request-answer dingo"

We're all busy but any help more than gratefully received.

Many thanks

Bob (NOT the Bob below!)


>-----Original Message-----
>From: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM
>[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM]On Behalf Of Bob
>Sent: 04 March 2000 02:36
>To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
>Subject: Re: digests
>
>
>Just wanted to thank everyone for all the replies. I have my digest ran by
>cron, and all is working well. Thanks again! This is a great list!
>
>Bob
>mirader@zoso.net
>
>
>On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Mike Oliver wrote:
>
>> "Bob" <mirader@zoso.net> asked:
>> >Just curious if there is any possible way to configure a digest to
>> >generate at the same time every day regardless of the size? Like say
>> >midnight.
>>
>> Yes.  First make sure 'digest' invoked from the mail alias for incoming
>> messages never generates a digest automatically (use the -R option
>> instead of -r), then set up a cron job to run at the appropriate time
>> and trigger the creation of a digest.  Your cron job can either run as
>> your majordomo user and run the digest command directly (use the -m
>> option to force a digest, and the -C and -l options to select which
>> digest to build), or run as some other user and mail a 'mkdigest'
>> command to Majordomo.  I do the latter; my crontab says:
>>
>>     # issue majordomo digests at 4pm every day
>>     0 16 * * *      $HOME/bin/make-list-digest
>>
>> where $HOME/bin/make-list-digest is a script that emails a mkdigest
>> command to Majordomo.
>>
>> Mike.
>> --
>> mike.oliver@eng.sun.com
>>
>



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"Michael R." <w0kie@home.com> wrote:

>Ver 1.94.3 config file returns the follow error from a virgin Majordomo
>config file
>
>unknown key [keyword.] in file (my list name).new.config at line 37
>
>When I count lines from the top in the config file I find that line 37 falls
>in the middle of the remarks.  Does anybody have a clue what my problem is?

With 99.9999999% certainty your mail client has taken it upon itself to
quietly wrap the lines of the 'newconfig' message you sent to
Majordomo.  The offending 'keyword.' has been wrapped onto line 37 from
the end of the comment on what should have been line 36 of the config
file.

Tell your mail client (which seems to be Outlook Express -- you have my
sympathy) not to wrap lines, and then try another 'newconfig'.

Mike.
-- 
mike.oliver@eng.sun.com


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HansenNFL@aol.com <HansenNFL@aol.com> wrote on Sat, 04 Mar 2000:
> First off, I apologize for not being very technical and knowledgeable on this 
> subject.  I use majo-domo to manage a commercial mailing list.  It has gone 
> very well...however I'm hoping for a few things.  One, is it possible for the 
> program to be specially written for my use so that users on the list CANNOT 
> have the ability to acquire the list?

If you mean, that anyone on your mailing list can't get the subscriber
list?  It's pretty simple, you don't need to do any sort of customizing
at all.  Put this in your list's configuration file:

  who_access = closed


> Secondly, I've had some problems with bad e-mail addresses on the list 
> causing a mailing to be triggered two, three, sometimes even four times.  I 
> wonder if that can be prevented.

I'm not sure but I'm half-guessing that you're talking about mail loops.
A message send to some subscribers comes back destined to the list
address, and then gets re-sent to everyone again.

This can be easily prevented with a bit of configuration too.
(I think this should really be in the FAQ... Dave?  Feel free to add
what I wrote below, if you like it.)

The principle here is that you make sure that all the emails going out
from your list have some specific header.  This can easily be
accomplished with the message_headers directive in the list config file.
After you know that all your list emails have that particular header,
you then stop any email with that header from going out to the list (at
least without approval).  This is done with taboo_headers.  After this,
mail loops should be prevented, at least for cases where the message
headers are preserved.  It doesn't help with auto-generated "vacation"
replys and such though.

Here is an example of the configuration directives:

message_headers     <<  END   
X-Mailing-List: mylistname
END

taboo_headers       <<  END
/^Mailing-List: mylistname/i
END


Hope this helps,
Mikko
-- 
// Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu  //  wiz@iki.fi  //  http://www.iki.fi/wiz/
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Morning all...

	Just did an install of Mj2, and when I try to send email to the
list I created, I get:

[16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<jamesh@interpath.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <jamesh@interpath.com>... Relaying denied
[16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<tim@futuresouth.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <tim@futuresouth.com>... Relaying denied
[16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<daniele@orlandi.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <daniele@orlandi.com>... Relaying denied

	If I disable the feature in my sendmail.cf (the last thing I truly
*want* to do, it appears to work:

# anything else is bogus
#R$*                    $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "550 Relaying denied"
R$*                     $@ OK

	I swear I must be missing *something*, but it definitely isn't
jumping out at me :(

Thanks..

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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Morning ...

	I just got my hand "forced" into upgradign to Majordomo2 for all
the PostgreSQL mailing lists, and have had one subscriber comment about it
taking >20 minutes to see messages ..

	One of the things that I'm noticing is that it looks like all
users on the list appear to be batched as one big batch, where i used to
use 'tlb' to split it up into smaller batches ...

	... is there a setting that I can set to do similar?  Maybe
something that says for every X users, start a new batch?

Thanks...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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Just enable relaying for localhost?  (Shouldn't this be a default?)  You didn't specify what OS and MTA you are using.  In RH6.1 with sendmail add a
line to /etc/mail/access
127.0.0.1    RELAY

Then run makemap to rebuild your access.db (older versions use a different process, but the idea is the same)

The Hermit Hacker wrote:

> Morning all...
>
>         Just did an install of Mj2, and when I try to send email to the
> list I created, I get:
>
> [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<jamesh@interpath.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <jamesh@interpath.com>... Relaying denied
> [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<tim@futuresouth.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <tim@futuresouth.com>... Relaying denied
> [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<daniele@orlandi.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <daniele@orlandi.com>... Relaying denied
>
>         If I disable the feature in my sendmail.cf (the last thing I truly
> *want* to do, it appears to work:
>
> # anything else is bogus
> #R$*                    $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "550 Relaying denied"
> R$*                     $@ OK
>
>         I swear I must be missing *something*, but it definitely isn't
> jumping out at me :(
>
> Thanks..
>
> Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org


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Does anyone have one?  From looking at 'configedit <list> digests':

# name    | times  | minsizes | maxsizes | maxage | separate | minage |
deftype
#
# The second line holds a description of the digest.
configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
ENDAAD

what would I put, for instance, as 'maxsizes'?  it talks about 'articles
vs size', but how do I specific the difference?  Anyone have an example
they are willing to share?

Also ... deftype ... what is an 'index digest'?

Thanks ...


Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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check it for what?  I have a Cw line of 'localhost', and have 'localhost'
in my sendmail.cw file ... I thought of, and checked, all that last night
... this sis a problem new to MJ2, didn't exist with Majordomo1 ...


On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Steve Sobol wrote:

> This isn't an MJ2 problem, it's a sendmail problem.
> 
> Check your sendmail.cw. If necessary, edit it and re-start
> Sendmail.
> 
> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> > Morning all...
> >
> >         Just did an install of Mj2, and when I try to send email to the
> > list I created, I get:
> >
> > [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<jamesh@interpath.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <jamesh@interpath.com>... Relaying denied
> > [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<tim@futuresouth.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <tim@futuresouth.com>... Relaying denied
> > [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<daniele@orlandi.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <daniele@orlandi.com>... Relaying denied
> >
> >         If I disable the feature in my sendmail.cf (the last thing I truly
> > *want* to do, it appears to work:
> >
> > # anything else is bogus
> > #R$*                    $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "550 Relaying denied"
> > R$*                     $@ OK
> >
> >         I swear I must be missing *something*, but it definitely isn't
> > jumping out at me :(
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
> > Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> > Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> > primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
> 
> --
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> Steve Sobol, President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor
> sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET
> 
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
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  This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
  Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info.

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Checked /usr/include/errno.h, as per the FAQ ... no such 'error 127' ...

Mailing lists themselves appear to be being delivered no probs, but a
simple 'help' request to this address fails ...

Somethign else I should be looking at?

Thanks...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 

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help



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First off all, I'd like to offer some serious kudos to whomever is working
on the docs, namely the 'mj_shell help' stuff ... fantastic work ... makes
sense, easy to follow ...

Second, a general kudos to all that have been working on MJ2 ... leaps and
bounds above Majordomo1 ... 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
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Can't find this one in the docs ... in fact, I can't seem to find anything
about the 'set' command any more then:

set listname flag address
==> change subscriber options like digest, nomail, ack


what other options are there?



Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
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Mikko Hänninen wrote:
> 
> HansenNFL@aol.com <HansenNFL@aol.com> wrote on Sat, 04 Mar 2000:
> > First off, I apologize for not being very technical and knowledgeable on this
> > subject.  I use majo-domo to manage a commercial mailing list.  It has gone
> > very well...however I'm hoping for a few things.  One, is it possible for the
> > program to be specially written for my use so that users on the list CANNOT
> > have the ability to acquire the list?
> 
> If you mean, that anyone on your mailing list can't get the subscriber
> list?  It's pretty simple, you don't need to do any sort of customizing
> at all.  Put this in your list's configuration file:
> 
>   who_access = closed
> 
Also

which_access        =   closed

to stop someone from doing a "which .com", by using top level domains you can
get most of a list.

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%hostname
hub.org

and:

%grep hub.org domains.cw
hub.org
mail.hub.org
nshub.org
thelab.hub.org


On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Steve Sobol wrote:

> what's the output of the 'hostname' command on your box?
> 
> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> > check it for what?  I have a Cw line of 'localhost', and have 'localhost'
> > in my sendmail.cw file ... I thought of, and checked, all that last night
> > ... this sis a problem new to MJ2, didn't exist with Majordomo1 ...
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Steve Sobol wrote:
> >
> > > This isn't an MJ2 problem, it's a sendmail problem.
> > >
> > > Check your sendmail.cw. If necessary, edit it and re-start
> > > Sendmail.
> > >
> > > The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Morning all...
> > > >
> > > >         Just did an install of Mj2, and when I try to send email to the
> > > > list I created, I get:
> > > >
> > > > [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<jamesh@interpath.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <jamesh@interpath.com>... Relaying denied
> > > > [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<tim@futuresouth.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <tim@futuresouth.com>... Relaying denied
> > > > [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<daniele@orlandi.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <daniele@orlandi.com>... Relaying denied
> > > >
> > > >         If I disable the feature in my sendmail.cf (the last thing I truly
> > > > *want* to do, it appears to work:
> > > >
> > > > # anything else is bogus
> > > > #R$*                    $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "550 Relaying denied"
> > > > R$*                     $@ OK
> > > >
> > > >         I swear I must be missing *something*, but it definitely isn't
> > > > jumping out at me :(
> > > >
> > > > Thanks..
> > > >
> > > > Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> > > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> > > > primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
> > >
> > > --
> > > North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH  http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net
> > > Steve Sobol, President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor
> > > sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> > Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> > primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
> 
> --
> North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH  http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net
> Steve Sobol, President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor
> sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET
> 
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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On 08:43 AM 3/9/00 -0400, you said:

>Morning ...
>
>         I just got my hand "forced" into upgradign to Majordomo2 for all
>the PostgreSQL mailing lists, and have had one subscriber comment about it
>taking >20 minutes to see messages ..
>
>         One of the things that I'm noticing is that it looks like all
>users on the list appear to be batched as one big batch, where i used to
>use 'tlb' to split it up into smaller batches ...
>
>         ... is there a setting that I can set to do similar?  Maybe
>something that says for every X users, start a new batch?

If you check the docs/configuration look for "delivery_rules". Here's a 
snippet from my config file:

# numbatches=N
#   Split the address list up into exactly N batches.
#
# maxaddrs=N
#   Split the list into batches of N addresses apiece.
#
# maxdomains=N
#   Split the address list into batches of N domains apiece.
#
# minseparate=N
#   If a domain appears more than N times in various addresses, they
#   will all be given a separate batch.
#
# If neither of the above are specified, the default is numbatches=1,
# which duplicates the Majordomo 1.x behavior.
#
# hosts=(hosta, hostb, hostc)
#   A list of hostnames that Majordomo will connect to to deliver
#   batches.  If no hosts are given, Majordomo connects to localhost.
#
# backup=(hostd, hoste, hostf)
#   A list of backup hosts to use in case one or more of the regular
#   delivery hosts are down.
#
# sort
#   Sort the address list.  Many of the batching options depend on
#   getting the addresses in sorted order and will not work as expected
#   if the address are unsorted.
#
# Hosts in either the hosts or backup lists can also be specified with
# additional information, as follows:
#
# hosts=(hosta=(parameter1, param2=5), hostb=(param3), hostc)
#
# The host parameters are as follows:
#
# esmtp      - speak ESMTP with the hosts if it is able.
# onex       - send ESMTP ONEX to the host if it supports it.
# pipelining - send the ESMTP PIPELINING command to the host.
# timeout    - the number of seconds to wait when opening a connection
#              to the host
# port       - the port number to connect to, if different from the
#              usual SMTP port.
#
# If, instead of a host name, the string "@qmail" is used, Majordomo
# will open a direct connection to the qmail-queue program and directly
# inject the message into the qmail delivery system.  This assumes, of
# course, that you are running qmail.

For example:

ALL
numbatches=1
hosts=(localhost=(esmtp, pipelining, onex))
sort

You should be able to use this configuration section to split delivery in a 
large variety of ways.

--James


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On 12:41 PM 3/9/00 -0400, The Hermit Hacker said:

>Coolness, thanks for the pointer ...
>
>Would the following do as intended:
>
>ALL
>sort
>maxaddrs=100
>minseperate=20
>hosts=(hub.org=(esmtp,pipelining,onex))
>
>ie. sort it, create batches no larger then 100 addresses, but if a domain
>contains >20 addresses, create a batch of its own?

That's my understanding, yes.

--James



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Coolness, thanks for the pointer ...

Would the following do as intended:

ALL
sort
maxaddrs=100
minseperate=20
hosts=(hub.org=(esmtp,pipelining,onex))

ie. sort it, create batches no larger then 100 addresses, but if a domain
contains >20 addresses, create a batch of its own?

Thanks..

On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, James Olsen wrote:

> On 08:43 AM 3/9/00 -0400, you said:
> 
> >Morning ...
> >
> >         I just got my hand "forced" into upgradign to Majordomo2 for all
> >the PostgreSQL mailing lists, and have had one subscriber comment about it
> >taking >20 minutes to see messages ..
> >
> >         One of the things that I'm noticing is that it looks like all
> >users on the list appear to be batched as one big batch, where i used to
> >use 'tlb' to split it up into smaller batches ...
> >
> >         ... is there a setting that I can set to do similar?  Maybe
> >something that says for every X users, start a new batch?
> 
> If you check the docs/configuration look for "delivery_rules". Here's a 
> snippet from my config file:
> 
> # numbatches=N
> #   Split the address list up into exactly N batches.
> #
> # maxaddrs=N
> #   Split the list into batches of N addresses apiece.
> #
> # maxdomains=N
> #   Split the address list into batches of N domains apiece.
> #
> # minseparate=N
> #   If a domain appears more than N times in various addresses, they
> #   will all be given a separate batch.
> #
> # If neither of the above are specified, the default is numbatches=1,
> # which duplicates the Majordomo 1.x behavior.
> #
> # hosts=(hosta, hostb, hostc)
> #   A list of hostnames that Majordomo will connect to to deliver
> #   batches.  If no hosts are given, Majordomo connects to localhost.
> #
> # backup=(hostd, hoste, hostf)
> #   A list of backup hosts to use in case one or more of the regular
> #   delivery hosts are down.
> #
> # sort
> #   Sort the address list.  Many of the batching options depend on
> #   getting the addresses in sorted order and will not work as expected
> #   if the address are unsorted.
> #
> # Hosts in either the hosts or backup lists can also be specified with
> # additional information, as follows:
> #
> # hosts=(hosta=(parameter1, param2=5), hostb=(param3), hostc)
> #
> # The host parameters are as follows:
> #
> # esmtp      - speak ESMTP with the hosts if it is able.
> # onex       - send ESMTP ONEX to the host if it supports it.
> # pipelining - send the ESMTP PIPELINING command to the host.
> # timeout    - the number of seconds to wait when opening a connection
> #              to the host
> # port       - the port number to connect to, if different from the
> #              usual SMTP port.
> #
> # If, instead of a host name, the string "@qmail" is used, Majordomo
> # will open a direct connection to the qmail-queue program and directly
> # inject the message into the qmail delivery system.  This assumes, of
> # course, that you are running qmail.
> 
> For example:
> 
> ALL
> numbatches=1
> hosts=(localhost=(esmtp, pipelining, onex))
> sort
> 
> You should be able to use this configuration section to split delivery in a 
> large variety of ways.
> 
> --James
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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Is there something like the MajorDomoCreate script that was distributed
with Majordomo 1.94.X in Majordomo 2?

I am only wondering because I am in the middle of hacking MajorDomoCreate
and making it smarter and do a bit more than it did (like copy the alias
file and write new aliases to it automatically and other such things).

Should I bother?

____________________________
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Josh, I just brought up majordomo (v 1.94.5) on a RedHat 6.1 box (it's a
lowly Pentium 90 with 128MB of RAM) and created a list yesterday with
4,825 names.  (The names were a straight ASCII export from a Paradox
database running on a PC.)

After creating the necessary aliases (gee I wish there were tools for
majordomo to create these more easily!), the list worked just fine...

--michael

On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Josh Schultz wrote:

> Hi, I have a list of 5,000 email addresses.  And before I install
> majordomo I need to know if I can "import" this list (just a textfile with
> the emails) into a majordomo "list"?
> Please respond to me...not the whole list.  thanx


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On 10:26 AM 3/9/00 -0400, The Hermit Hacker said:

>Does anyone have one?  From looking at 'configedit <list> digests':
>
># name    | times  | minsizes | maxsizes | maxage | separate | minage |
>deftype
>#
># The second line holds a description of the digest.
>configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
>ENDAAD

This is what I use for one of my lists:

configset epsasrts digests << ENDAAN
daily     | always | 0k |  50k | 1d | 18h | 6h | text
This is the daily digest form of EPSASRTS list
weekly    | always | 0k | 350k | 1w |  2d | 6h | text
This is the weekly digest form of EPSASRTS list
ENDAAN

These settings may not be ideal, but they work for me.

>Also ... deftype ... what is an 'index digest'?

 From what I've seen, "index digests" are basically a listing of the 
message subjects and authors--no messages are distributed.

Are you currently on ICQ - it shows you as N/A

--James


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I had to completely reinstall linux after a crash. Reinstallation included
majordomo 1.94.5.

I ALWAYS have trouble setting up mj... done it probably three times, and
it never goes as smoothly as it seems it should.

Here's what I did.

1)	I "picked" a group and user ID for mj to run under. To do this, I
	created a new user, "majordomo" and edited the /etc/passwd file
	to read:

	daemon:x:2:2:daemon:/sbin:      [an existing line]
	majordomo:x:501:2:Majordomo:/home/majordomo:/bin/bash

	I then used linuxconf to add a line to the sendmail.cf:
	Tmajordomo

2)	I chose a directory for mj to install into: /usr/majordomo-1.94.5

3)	I edited the Makefile and specified where Perl resides. I
	specified:

	W_USER = 501
	W_GROUP = 2

	I uncommented the following lines for a POSIX (linux) system:

	WRAPPER_OWNER = root
	WRAPPER_GROUP = $(W_GROUP)
	WRAPPER_MODE = 4755
	POSIX = -DPOSIX_UID=$(W_USER) -DPOSIX_GID=$(W_GROUP)

4)	I edited the majordomo.cf file

	$whereami = "odaiko.ss.uci.edu";
	$whoami = "Majordomo\@$whereami";
	$whoami_owner = "Majordomo-Owner\@$whereami";
	if ( defined $ENV{"HOME"}) {
	     $homedir = $ENV{"HOME"};
	} else {
	     $homedir = "/usr/test/majordomo";
	}
	$listdir = "$homedir/lists";
*	$digest_work_dir = "/usr/local/mail/digest";
	$log = "$homedir/Log";
	$sendmail_command = "/usr/sbin/sendmail";
	$mailer = "$sendmail_command -oi -oee -f\$sender";
	$bounce_mailer = "$sendmail_command -oi -oee -f\$sender -t";
 
	* Note: This directory does not exist and was not created by the
		installer!

5)	As root, I did a "make wrapper". It completed with no errors or
	warnings.

6)	As root, I did a "make install". It completed with no errors or
	warnings.

7)	As root, I did a "make install-wrapper". It completed with no
	errors or warnings.

8)	I edited the /etc/aliases file and added their example aliases
	(names changed from "test" to "b2v2k" to fit one of my small
	lists):

	majordomo: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo"
	owner-majordomo: jfrost,
	majordomo-owner: jfrost

	b2v2k:          "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l b2v2k
				b2v2k-list"   (on one line)
	b2v2k-list:     :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/b2v2k
	owner-b2v2k:    jfrost
	b2v2k-owner:    jfrost
	b2v2k-request:  jfrost
 
	and ran "newaliases".

9)	As jfrost, I changed to /usr/majordomo-1.94.5 and ran ./wrapper
	config-test. It reported no errors or warnings, said that
	majordomo should work, and asked me if I would like to register
	(I did).

10)	I tested majordomo by issuing the following commands, as specified
	in the INSTALL file:

	touch /path/to/majordomo/lists/dummy
	echo 'lists' | mail majordomo

	Majordomo replied, showing that there was a list called "dummy".


Armed with all the above positive indications that things had gone well, I
tried to send a message to the b2v2k mailing list. I got the following
error back from the mailer daemon:

Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l b2v2k b2v2k-list"
    (expanded from: <b2v2k@odaiko.ss.uci.edu>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l b2v2k b2v2k-list"...
					Service unavailable



I just noticed that this is a different error to the one I had yesterday,
which was a 550 error saying that:
	550 :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/b2v2k... Cannot open
	/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/b2v2k: Group writable directory

Here are the permissions:

drwxr-x--x   6 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  8 15:06 .
drwxr-xr-x  20 root     root         1024 Mar  8 13:19 ..
-rw-rw----   1 majordom daemon          6 Mar  8 13:21
						.majordomo_registration
-rw-rw-r--   1 majordom daemon       1274 Mar  8 15:06 Log
drwxr-xr-x   2 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  8 13:20 Tools
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon       5267 Mar  8 13:19 archive2.pl
drwxr-xr-x   2 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  8 13:19 bin
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon       2795 Mar  8 13:19 bounce-remind
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon      10671 Mar  8 13:19 config-test
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon      51130 Mar  8 13:19 config_parse.pl
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon      14201 Mar  8 13:19 digest
drwxrwxr-x   2 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  8 15:13 lists
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon      62511 Mar  8 13:19 majordomo
-rw-r--r--   1 majordom daemon      10472 Mar  8 13:20 majordomo.cf
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon      24381 Mar  8 13:19 majordomo.pl
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon        137 Mar  8 13:19
						majordomo_version.pl
drwxr-xr-x   4 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  8 13:20 man
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon       3791 Mar  8 13:19 request-answer
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon      29919 Mar  8 13:19 resend
-rw-r--r--   1 majordom daemon      10462 Mar  8 13:20 sample.cf
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom daemon       8060 Mar  8 13:19 shlock.pl
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     daemon      14850 Mar  8 13:20 wrapper


The lists directory, above, has the following permissions for the b2v2k
list:

-rw-rw-r--   1 majordom daemon         25 Mar  9 08:31 b2v2k
-rw-rw----   1 majordom daemon      16490 Mar  8 14:22 b2v2k.config
-rw-rw-r--   1 majordom daemon          0 Mar  8 14:20 b2v2k.info




Any help you can offer would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Julian


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On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, James Olsen wrote:

> On 10:26 AM 3/9/00 -0400, The Hermit Hacker said:
> 
> >Does anyone have one?  From looking at 'configedit <list> digests':
> >
> ># name    | times  | minsizes | maxsizes | maxage | separate | minage |
> >deftype
> >#
> ># The second line holds a description of the digest.
> >configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
> >ENDAAD
> 
> This is what I use for one of my lists:
> 
> configset epsasrts digests << ENDAAN
> daily     | always | 0k |  50k | 1d | 18h | 6h | text
> This is the daily digest form of EPSASRTS list
> weekly    | always | 0k | 350k | 1w |  2d | 6h | text
> This is the weekly digest form of EPSASRTS list
> ENDAAN

Okay, this has me confused ... si there a way for ppl to stipulate which
ones they want to receive?


> 
> These settings may not be ideal, but they work for me.
> 
> >Also ... deftype ... what is an 'index digest'?
> 
>  From what I've seen, "index digests" are basically a listing of the 
> message subjects and authors--no messages are distributed.
> 
> Are you currently on ICQ - it shows you as N/A

ICQ, for me, is only up as a way of testing a socks server on campus ... I
never actually use it ...



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On 11:30 AM 3/9/00 -0600, mjn said:
>Is there something like the MajorDomoCreate script that was distributed
>with Majordomo 1.94.X in Majordomo 2?
>
>I am only wondering because I am in the middle of hacking MajorDomoCreate
>and making it smarter and do a bit more than it did (like copy the alias
>file and write new aliases to it automatically and other such things).
>
>Should I bother?

I'm not familiar with MajorDomoCreate, so forgive me if I make some bad 
assumptions.

If you are writing a script to automatically manage the alias and virtuser 
tables, do not bother. MJ2 (if you choose) can automatically create and 
maintain those files. Of course, you still have to makemap them if they 
change, but it makes the whole process much easier.

If the MajorDomoCreate script does more than maintain alias/virtuser 
tables, then let me know what those things are and I'll let you know if 
anything comparable was built into MJ2.

--James



>____________________________
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Julian M. Frost <jfrost@odaiko.ss.uci.edu> wrote on Thu, 09 Mar 2000:
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l b2v2k b2v2k-list"...
> 					Service unavailable

Search for "smrsh" in the FAQ (or the archives).  The current FAQ,
not the one that comes with the distribution.


Regards,
Mikko
-- 
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I went to download M2 but saw warnings about using it with Red Hat 6.x  Are
these warnings valid?

Bob


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hi ya

> I went to download M2 but saw warnings about using it with Red Hat 6.x  Are
> these warnings valid?

i had problems with installing m2 on rh-6.1....
have not tried since a couple months ago..

have fun
alvin

- my notes majordomo/m2
-
http://www.linux-consulting.com/Majordomo/Majordomo2.redhat-61.uhowto
	- use remove filenames for other info/files...


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I have been receiving postings of majordomo-users.  I post a question
at 2 separate times over the last month, but I don't see my
post been distributed back to me nor do I see any reply to my
post.

Would someone please respond to me via email if you can get
this?  Thanks

Tim Lee
tim@lawnet.com

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if I run it manually, I get:

bin/mj_queuerun 
[89314]Majordomo queue runner - Fri Mar 10 00:29:31 2000
[89314].Compilation took 0.23s, 0.01u
[89314].Loading modules
[89314].Loading modules..done, took 1.00 sec
Starting[89314]Majordomo queue runner - Fri Mar 10 00:29:31 2000..Timed out, took 121.00 sec

Still investigating ...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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Before I risk losing email, can someone verify that I'm understanding the
delivery_rules right?

Basically, I'd like to do something like the following, where all domains
that end in .ca get routed through smtp2.hub.org, while everything else
gets routed through hub.org itself ... 

configset pgsql-hackers delivery_rules << ENDAAB
.ca$
sort
maxaddrs=100  
minseperate=20
hosts=(smtp2.hub.org=(esmtp,pipelining,onex))
ALL
sort
maxaddrs=100
minseperate=20
hosts=(hub.org=(esmtp,pipelining,onex))
ENDAAB


Also, would (.ca|.net)$ work?  To route all domains in .ca and .net
through smtp2.hub.org?

Thanks ...


Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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 :}
 :}i had problems with installing m2 on rh-6.1....
 :}have not tried since a couple months ago..
 :}
 :}have fun
 :}alvin
 :}
 :}- my notes majordomo/m2
 :}-
 :}http://www.linux-consulting.com/Majordomo/Majordomo2.redhat-61.uhowto
 :}	- use remove filenames for other info/files...
 :}

Alvin's installation problem was apparently due to Sys::Syslog
being unable to connect to "test".  Perhaps a fully qualified
domain is needed.

The version of Mj2 I'm using (on slackware linux and solaris)
uses a unix domain socket for logging.

Michael


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Looking in my QUEUE subdirs, I'm finding several messages that I'm either
misunderstandign their purpose in there, or they haven't been processed
yet:

%ls -lt
total 16
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1853 Mar  9 21:13 VAA-58717
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1619 Mar  9 19:01 TAA-38148
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1560 Mar  9 16:30 QAA-4779
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1087 Mar  9 13:50 NAA-53050
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1784 Mar  9 12:34 MAA-37287
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1046 Mar  9 11:47 LAA-25540
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  3202 Mar  9 11:40 LAA-23920
%pwd
/usr/local/majordomo/lists/QUEUE/10/hub.org/10/majordomo

Help?

Then again, I'm guessing that the following processes might not quite be
right also ... ?

%ps aux | grep mj
majordom 59785  0.0  1.4 11460 10864  ??  I     2:30PM   0:31.92 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 99484  0.0  1.6 13540 12908  ??  I     4:12PM   0:35.19 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 38495  0.0  0.9  7560 6996  ??  I     7:03PM   0:01.35 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 57886  0.0  1.3 11008 10412  ??  I     9:08PM   0:04.36 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 70575  0.0  1.2  9836 9224  ??  I    10:30PM   0:23.23 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 70586  0.0  1.2  9788 9172  ??  S    10:30PM   0:07.63 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 70595  0.0  1.3 10720 10076  ??  I    10:31PM   0:26.68 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 71629  0.0  1.1  9464 8848  ??  I    10:38PM   0:05.56 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 84093  0.0  0.2  3116 1808  ??  Ss   11:59PM   0:00.20 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueserv 0
majordom 84098  0.0  1.5 12312 11656  ??  S    11:59PM   0:11.91 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 84853  0.0  1.3 10600 10044  ??  I    12:02AM   0:14.16 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 85950  0.0  1.0  8372 7772  ??  I    12:09AM   0:03.75 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 85985  0.0  0.0   532  184  ??  Is   12:10AM   0:00.01 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_trigger -t daily
majordom 85987  0.0  0.7  6336 5856  ??  I    12:10AM   0:01.39 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_trigger -t daily



Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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Please,
I was put on this mailing list and all I get is e-mail that floods this 
account. Please show me how to get off the list....thank you

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On 04:40 PM 3/9/00 -0400, The Hermit Hacker said:
>On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, James Olsen wrote:
>
> > On 10:26 AM 3/9/00 -0400, The Hermit Hacker said:
> >
> > >Does anyone have one?  From looking at 'configedit <list> digests':
> > >
> > ># name    | times  | minsizes | maxsizes | maxage | separate | minage |
> > >deftype
> > >#
> > ># The second line holds a description of the digest.
> > >configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
> > >ENDAAD
> >
> > This is what I use for one of my lists:
> >
> > configset epsasrts digests << ENDAAN
> > daily     | always | 0k |  50k | 1d | 18h | 6h | text
> > This is the daily digest form of EPSASRTS list
> > weekly    | always | 0k | 350k | 1w |  2d | 6h | text
> > This is the weekly digest form of EPSASRTS list
> > ENDAAN
>
>Okay, this has me confused ... si there a way for ppl to stipulate which
>ones they want to receive?

Yes. Here are some examples of valid list delivery subscriptions given the 
setup defined above:

set each
set digest (gets default digest, the first one in the config)
set digest-daily (gets daily digest in the default (deftype) format in config)
set digest-daily-text (gets daily digest in text mode)
set digest-daily-mime (gets daily digest in mime mode)
set digest-weekly
set digest-weekly-text
set digest-weekly-mime

--James


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majordomo gurus,
		Pardon my ignorance.This mail got me real confused. Does
majordomo software run as a daemon. I was thinking that sendmail executes
it during the mail delivery process by starting a shell and then invoking
the majordomo program. Correct me if my understanding is not correct.
Thanks for any enlightenment in this regard.
	siva
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On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, SINGH,VIVEK(Non-HP-Cupertino,ex1) wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have recently setup Majordomo on a Intel based Linux system (RedHat 6.1).
> The majordomo daemon keeps dying once in a while. What could be the reason
> behind this. I will appreciate any help in this regard.
> Thanks and have a great day!
> Vivek



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¿Can anybody explain to me this message?

majordomo@cinterfor.org.uy wrote:

> --
>
> MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
>
> majordomo@cinterfor.org.uy punting to avoid mail loop.

thanks


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From: "Julian M. Frost" <jfrost@odaiko.ss.uci.edu>
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Subject: Getting Digest Version of List to Work
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Thanks to someone on the list, I got majordomo 1.94.5 to work correctly
for non-digest lists. However, the digest version of the list does not
work (I get a Permission Denied error). I've checked the FAQ on the web
page, and everything *seems* to be in order. Here's what I did. Maybe one
of you experts can help me get this thing running?

1)	I edited the majordomo.cf file

	$whereami = "odaiko.ss.uci.edu";
	$whoami = "Majordomo\@$whereami";
	$whoami_owner = "Majordomo-Owner\@$whereami";
	if ( defined $ENV{"HOME"}) {
	     $homedir = $ENV{"HOME"};
	} else {
	     $homedir = "/usr/test/majordomo";
	}
	$listdir = "$homedir/lists";
*	$digest_work_dir = "/usr/majordomo/lists/digest";
	$log = "$homedir/Log";
	$sendmail_command = "/usr/sbin/sendmail";
	$mailer = "$sendmail_command -oi -oee -f\$sender";
	$bounce_mailer = "$sendmail_command -oi -oee -f\$sender -t";
 
	* Note: This directory does not exist and was not created by the
		installer!


2)	The permissions on the /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists directory were
	drwxrwxr-x   2 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  8 15:13 lists

	I changed them to 755 having been told that sendmail doesn't like
	group writeable directories in the path to the lists directory:

	drwxr-xr-x   4 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  9 15:31 lists

Now majordomo works and sends stuff out to basic (non-digested) lists!


Next step was to reactivate one of my lists that has a digest, SIG-L. I
used the digest.aliases file as a template, and came up with the following
aliases to add to the /etc/aliases file:

[Long lines broken for ease of reading]

sig-l: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l sig-l -h
				odaiko.ss.uci.edu sig-l-outgoing"
sig-l-outgoing: :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l,
				sig-l-archive, sig-l-digestify
sig-l-request: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l sig-l"
sig-l-approval: jfrost

owner-sig-l: jfrost
owner-sig-l-outgoing: owner-sig-l
sig-l-archive: /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l
sig-l-digestify: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C -l
				sig-l-digest sig-l-digest-outgoing"

sig-l-digest: sig-l
sig-l-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l-digest
sig-l-digest-request: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l
				sig-l-digest"
sig-l-digest-approval: jfrost
owner-sig-l-digest-outgoing: owner-sig-l



Back at step 1, above, I said that the digest work directory specified in
the majordomo.cf file ($digest_work_dir =
"/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest";) did not exist and was not
automatically created. As majordomo, I created the directories:

	/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest
	/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest

Permissions are as follows:
	drwxr-x---   3 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  9 15:07 digest
	drwxr-x---   2 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  9 16:03 sig-l-digest
 
As majordomo, I created an archive directory and a sig-l directory inside 
the lists directory:
	/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive
	/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l
and did a chmod 750 on each of them.




When I send a message to SIG-L (which should be added to the digest,
SIG-L-DIGEST) I notice that a message in the mailq that says:

	(Can't create output: Permission denied)
	"|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C
 
and eventually an email is returned that says:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l
    (expanded from: sig-l-archive)

   ----- Transcript of session is unavailable -----

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; odaiko.ss.uci.edu
Arrival-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:45:58 -0800

Final-Recipient: RFC822; sig-l-outgoing@odaiko.ss.uci.edu
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822;
/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l@odaiko.ss.uci.edu
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:06:54 -0800
 

Should there really be a directory
"/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l@odaiko.ss.uci.edu", as shown in
the bounced error message, above? Isn't majordomo supposed to create the
archive and digest directories for each list automatically?

Maybe there is a permission set incorretly somewhere, or a directory
that is supposed to exist, but doesn't, but I can't find it!

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Julian


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I have recently installed and configured sendmail, majordomo and majorcool
on a RedHat 6.0 install. Everything is working great but I cannot find out
how to get majorcool/majordomo to create new lists without any
authorization. I know that this isn't the place to be asking about major
cool configuration, but I am not sure if this is a majorcool or majordomo
issue. The file that majorcool is looking for is:

list_create_cmd:  -o owner  -p passwd  -d "description"  listname

# full path to a command accepting -d/-o/-p args
$list_create_cmd        = "";

as well as a rename command and delete command. Thanks for your time.
Excellent product.

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I have been searching on how to set up aliases.  I have looked through =
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help on this subject or where to find info would be appreciated.

Regards,

Scott Robinson


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You are correct; Majordomo does not run as a daemon.  It is invoked by the
mailer on the system; frequently, but not always, sendmail.

Seth Kurtzberg
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, GVSM Siva Kumar wrote:

> majordomo gurus,
> 		Pardon my ignorance.This mail got me real confused. Does
> majordomo software run as a daemon. I was thinking that sendmail executes
> it during the mail delivery process by starting a shell and then invoking
> the majordomo program. Correct me if my understanding is not correct.
> Thanks for any enlightenment in this regard.
> 	siva
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, SINGH,VIVEK(Non-HP-Cupertino,ex1) wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I have recently setup Majordomo on a Intel based Linux system (RedHat 6.1).
> > The majordomo daemon keeps dying once in a while. What could be the reason
> > behind this. I will appreciate any help in this regard.
> > Thanks and have a great day!
> > Vivek
> 
> 


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Thanks for the pointers to majorcool to help configure/administer
majordomo.  However, both links to majorcool at the FAQ site don't work.

These links are dead:

http://www.bris.ac.uk/cgi-bin/majordomo

It returns:

Sorry, access restricted 

The other URL:

http://www.ncr.com/pub/software/MajorCool/

produces a 404.

Any ideas where to get the latest version of majorcool?

Thanks!  --Michael (mr@micron.oah.org)





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Hello,

I'm new to sendmail & majordomo, so please bare with me. I finally got
majordomo 1.94.5 working with the majorcool 1.3.1 interface. Everything was
hunky dory until I tried sending a binary attachment to one of my new
majordomo lists. I get a "BOUCE" back from majordomo that looks like this:

Subject: BOUNCE testlist@mmcnet.com:     Message too long (>40000 chars)  

<--Snip-->
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:44:07 -0800
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Content-Length: 222509

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

------_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AC0.AA16FB50
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"

This is a test.

 <<vi.exe>> 

- Ray

------_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AC0.AA16FB50
Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
	name="vi.exe"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
	filename="vi.exe"

TVqQAAMAAAAEAAAA//8AALgAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAsAAAAA4fug4AtAnNIbgBTM0hVGhpcyBwcm9ncmFtIGNhbm5vdCBiZSBydW4gaW4gRE9TIG1v
ZGUuDQ0KJAAAAAAAAADMbGJTiA0MAIgNDACIDQwAiA0MAAkMDAAMCwoAiQ0MAFJpY2iIDQwAAAAA
<--all kinds of crap in the middle-->
AAAAAABQRQAATAEEAEZlgjeYkAMAQwwAAOAAAwELAQUKACICAABwAQAAAAAAoDIBAAAQAAAAQAIA
AABAAAAQAAAAAgAABAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAADAAwAABAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAIAABAAAAAAEAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

------_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AC0.AA16FB50-
<--END Snip-->

Can anyone tell me why it is converting the binary to ASCI? Please help, I
need to get this working ASAP. I appreciate any help you could give.

Thanks!

- Ray

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Ray Ramirez wrote:
> Can anyone tell me why it is converting the binary to ASCI?

That's what MIME does: represents binary data in 7-bit ASCII for
successful interchange.  It's a mail client's job at the receiving side to
decode it back into binary. 
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Thanks to everyone who help me get Majordomo up and running.  It is running
seemlessly now.

Does anyone know of a good web interface that will allow users to subscribe
and unsubscribe directly from a web page?

Is there a way to combine the confirmation and "command succeeded" emails?
Is there a way to combine the welcome and command confirmation too?

I have been hearing a lot about Majordomo V2,  Where do I get more
technical details and/or download of a beta? 


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I don't understand this, but it may be because I am a die-hard unix mail
user.

When a message is sent from an Outlook client the message never goes
through.   I don't even see it coming through on the mail logs.  But the
weird thing is that the owner nor the sender are receiving bounces.

Using the same list and mailing it with IMAP or internet mail, it goes
through fine.

Is this an Outlook problem or something I need to add within the
configuration of the list?


Thanks

Cheryl




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From: Julian Easterling <jeasterl@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: An Interesting problem
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I just found out a solution to this problem and others out there may run
across this.

At work, We have an Exchange Mail Server running.  We can access our inbox
via a web interface.

When I tried to subscribe to my mailing list, the confirmation comes back.
I strip out everything except for the auth line and then I send it back to
the list server.  The return email is not the welcome email but is a
MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! ... punting to avoid mail loop. I have
seen this error pop up on the list from time to time.

I then "telnet" to port 25 of my list server and went thorough the commands
as if I were that exchange server talking to my SMTP server with the auth
line from the previous email.  What do you know, I get the welcome message
to my list a few minutes later.

I hope that this helps someone out there.

-Julian. 


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caleb@inetwiz.com <caleb@inetwiz.com> wrote on Wed, 08 Mar 2000:
> resend: Getopts() failed:  at /usr/local/majordomo/resend line 75.
> 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -h inetwiz.com -l"... unknown mailer error 255

> When I type that command at my telnet prompt (.../wrapper resend -h...),
> the command line tells me it can't find "resend".  I checked the "homedir"
> setting in majordomo.cf and it is set to /usr/local/majordomo

Well, even if when you run it manually it can't find resend, apparently
it can when run from the sendmail alias, because the error message comes
from resend (see the first line I quoted).  resend is saying that the
Getopts() function call failed.

I'm wondering, since you earlier had getopts.pl missing, if this is
still related to that?  The Getopts() function is defined in the
getopts.pl file.


Regards,
Mikko
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:47:30 -0500
From: Bob D <snap@sir-real.net>
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There really isn't much importing to it...  

A majordomo e-mail lists consists of a few simple things:

Several email aliases
A list config file
A list information file
A list introduction
And a plain-text file containing the email addresses of the list
members.

(as well as an optional archive directory - if you keep
archived/digested lists)

The plain-text file should be in one of the formats...

format1:

address1@domain.com
address3@someotherdomain.com
etc.
etc.
etc.

format2:

Joe Schmoe <address1@domain.com>
Jane Doe <address3@someotherdomain.com>
etc.
etc.
etc.

For the email lists I manage, I use format2.  It allows me, when
necessary, to quickly probe the text file and remove or change entries
for a given member.  That isn't really necessary with Majordomo, since
you can do everything via email.  But, it is quicker for me, sometimes.

So, basically, for your text file of email addresses, you would simply
put it in place, as the plain-text member file once you get your list
set up.

If you have any questions, feel free to drop me a line.

Best wishes,

Bob

Josh Schultz wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have a list of 5,000 email addresses.  And before I install
> majordomo I need to know if I can "import" this list (just a textfile with
> the emails) into a majordomo "list"?
> Please respond to me...not the whole list.  thanx


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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 09:43:08 -0500
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To: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Majordomo2: Relaying Denied problem ...
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This isn't an MJ2 problem, it's a sendmail problem.

Check your sendmail.cw. If necessary, edit it and re-start
Sendmail.

The Hermit Hacker wrote:

> Morning all...
>
>         Just did an install of Mj2, and when I try to send email to the
> list I created, I get:
>
> [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<jamesh@interpath.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <jamesh@interpath.com>... Relaying denied
> [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<tim@futuresouth.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <tim@futuresouth.com>... Relaying denied
> [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<daniele@orlandi.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <daniele@orlandi.com>... Relaying denied
>
>         If I disable the feature in my sendmail.cf (the last thing I truly
> *want* to do, it appears to work:
>
> # anything else is bogus
> #R$*                    $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "550 Relaying denied"
> R$*                     $@ OK
>
>         I swear I must be missing *something*, but it definitely isn't
> jumping out at me :(
>
> Thanks..
>
> Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org

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I aplogise for bringing the subject up again, but I'm stumped as to what
I have to do to get a digest working on my set up (which is Linux Suse
6.1, mj 1.94.4 & sendmail 8.9.3)
I have a list set up and it is working fine, in accordance with the
instructions contained in the "Quick digest set-up" contained in the
distribution. I have a list-digest setup with the required work and
digests directories all the aliases appear to be set up okb ust no
digest is being produced when a mkdigest command is issued to majordomo,
no error messages are being produced produced. Just no digest .. I am
sure this may due to no archive being compiled, but cannot figure out
why. I am using "archive2.pl to try and produce archives, but it seem to
no avail
Can any one point me in the right direction? Forgive my ignorance I'm
very new to majordomo & linux in general.

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Kenny Shields

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Work: kenny.shields@norscot.co.uk

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Julian Easterling wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who help me get Majordomo up and running.  It is running
> seemlessly now.
> 
> Does anyone know of a good web interface that will allow users to subscribe
> and unsubscribe directly from a web page?
> 
> Is there a way to combine the confirmation and "command succeeded" emails?
> Is there a way to combine the welcome and command confirmation too?
> 
> I have been hearing a a lot about Majordomo V2,  Where do I get more
> technical details and/or download of a beta?

Julian...

I've been using the "MailServ" package for a long time.  First I was
using the script on Patrick's site, but he nolonger supports that,
so I simply followed his advice and set it up on MY site.

http://csicop.org/~fitz/www/mailserv will get you to Patrick's site,
and the instructions are quite easy to follow.

Little bit of coding on your web site (HTML 'form' stuff mostly) and
you're off and running...

Worked for me, hope it helps...

				--==jb==--




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Hi All,

I have set up Majordomo and subscribe/unsubscribe happen fine. However, when
I send a mali to a list (test), 
I get an error message as under :

****************************************************************************
******************************
The original message was received at Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:58:36 -0800
from mail@localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
test-list
:include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test
    (expanded from: test-list)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test... Cannot open
/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test: World writable 
directory
554 test-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken
****************************************************************************
********************************

Currently for testing purposes, I have set all directory permissions to 777.
When earlier the directory 
permissions were 755, then I used to get this error message when I tried to
interact with majordomo :

****************************************************************************
********************************
MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

shlock: '/var/lib/majordomo' is not writable by UID 8 GID 12

		********** AND **************

MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

While running with an effective uid of 8 and an effective gid of 12 91 12,
Majordomo
ran into the following problems:
Unable to write to list directory $listdir, check permissions on
/var/lib/majordomo/lists

****************************************************************************
*********************************
Here UID 8 is for user "mail" and GID 12 is for group "mail". I am running
Majordomo version 1.94.4-8 on RHL 
version 6.1 (Intel).

Please help me resolve this problem.

Thanks in advance!

Vivek


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You may want to check the following in you testlist.config file:

maxlength (resend,digest)
The maximum size of an unapproved message in characters. When used with 
digest, a new digest will be automatically generated if the size of the 
digest exceeds this number of characters.

The default is 40000.  You can increase this to whatever is needed.

- Jen



At 11:40 AM 3/10/2000 -0800, Ray Ramirez wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I'm new to sendmail & majordomo, so please bare with me. I finally got
>majordomo 1.94.5 working with the majorcool 1.3.1 interface. Everything was
>hunky dory until I tried sending a binary attachment to one of my new
>majordomo lists. I get a "BOUCE" back from majordomo that looks like this:
>
>Subject: BOUNCE testlist@mmcnet.com:     Message too long (>40000 chars)
>
><--Snip-->
>Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:44:07 -0800
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>         boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AC0.AA16FB50"
>Content-Length: 222509
>
>This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
>this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
>
>------_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AC0.AA16FB50
>Content-Type: text/plain;
>         charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>This is a test.
>
>  <<vi.exe>>
>
>- Ray
>
>------_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AC0.AA16FB50
>Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
>         name="vi.exe"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>Content-Disposition: attachment;
>         filename="vi.exe"
>
>TVqQAAMAAAAEAAAA//8AALgAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAsAAAAA4fug4AtAnNIbgBTM0hVGhpcyBwcm9ncmFtIGNhbm5vdCBiZSBydW4gaW4gRE9TIG1v
>ZGUuDQ0KJAAAAAAAAADMbGJTiA0MAIgNDACIDQwAiA0MAAkMDAAMCwoAiQ0MAFJpY2iIDQwAAAAA
><--all kinds of crap in the middle-->
>AAAAAABQRQAATAEEAEZlgjeYkAMAQwwAAOAAAwELAQUKACICAABwAQAAAAAAoDIBAAAQAAAAQAIA
>AABAAAAQAAAAAgAABAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAADAAwAABAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAIAABAAAAAAEAAA
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>
>------_=_NextPart_000_01BF8AC0.AA16FB50-
><--END Snip-->
>
>Can anyone tell me why it is converting the binary to ASCI? Please help, I
>need to get this working ASAP. I appreciate any help you could give.
>
>Thanks!
>
>- Ray



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what's the output of the 'hostname' command on your box?

The Hermit Hacker wrote:

> check it for what?  I have a Cw line of 'localhost', and have 'localhost'
> in my sendmail.cw file ... I thought of, and checked, all that last night
> ... this sis a problem new to MJ2, didn't exist with Majordomo1 ...
>
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Steve Sobol wrote:
>
> > This isn't an MJ2 problem, it's a sendmail problem.
> >
> > Check your sendmail.cw. If necessary, edit it and re-start
> > Sendmail.
> >
> > The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> >
> > > Morning all...
> > >
> > >         Just did an install of Mj2, and when I try to send email to the
> > > list I created, I get:
> > >
> > > [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<jamesh@interpath.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <jamesh@interpath.com>... Relaying denied
> > > [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<tim@futuresouth.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <tim@futuresouth.com>... Relaying denied
> > > [16879]: CAA16879: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<daniele@orlandi.com>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <daniele@orlandi.com>... Relaying denied
> > >
> > >         If I disable the feature in my sendmail.cf (the last thing I truly
> > > *want* to do, it appears to work:
> > >
> > > # anything else is bogus
> > > #R$*                    $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "550 Relaying denied"
> > > R$*                     $@ OK
> > >
> > >         I swear I must be missing *something*, but it definitely isn't
> > > jumping out at me :(
> > >
> > > Thanks..
> > >
> > > Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> > > primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
> >
> > --
> > North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH  http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net
> > Steve Sobol, President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor
> > sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET
> >
> >
>
> Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org

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On 11:34 AM 3/9/00 -0400, The Hermit Hacker said:

>Can't find this one in the docs ... in fact, I can't seem to find anything
>about the 'set' command any more then:
>
>set listname flag address
>==> change subscriber options like digest, nomail, ack

See the attached help below

>what other options are there?

1. subscription class (each, digest, nomail)
2. informative messages (ackall, ackimportant, noack)
3. copies of your own posts (selfcopy, noselfcopy)
4. being visible with "who" (hideall, hideaddress, nohide)
5. list mail if you already got a CC (eliminatecc, noeliminatecc)
6. subject prefix added by owner (prefix, noprefix)
7. replyto header added by owner (replyto, noreplyto)

Or, in list form, the possible arguments for SET are:each, digest, nomail, 
ackall, ackimportant, noack, selfcopy, noselfcopy, hideall, hideaddress, 
nohide, eliminatecc, noeliminatecc, prefix, noprefix, replyto, noreplyto

---------------------------------------------

send "help set" to majordomo and you'll get:

set listname flag address
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
listname, required, is an email list at this site
flag, required, is a subscription parameter (listed below)
address, required, is an address already subscribed to listname
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
WARNING: If you set "noack", you may accidentally cause error
messages to vanish. (This is especially true when your list is
configured using using the "replyfile" option - if you are a
list owner, you should see "help configset access_rules".)
This command sets the values of various subscription parameters, some
of which can be pre-set by the list owner. The list owner can also
prevent subscribers from changing settings. The settings can be grouped
as follows (specify only one of each set, because each one will override
the others in the set):
1. subscription class (each, digest, nomail)
2. informative messages (ackall, ackimportant, noack)
3. copies of your own posts (selfcopy, noselfcopy)
4. being visible with "who" (hideall, hideaddress, nohide)
5. list mail if you already got a CC (eliminatecc, noeliminatecc)
6. subject prefix added by owner (prefix, noprefix)
7. replyto header added by owner (replyto, noreplyto)
At the bottom of this file is a summary of all possible flags and a
cross reference to default settings that might be useful to list owners.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1. You can set your subscription class, which controls how (and if) you
receive messages from the server. There are three basic classes:
each - you get each message as it is posted.
digest - you get periodic collections of messages.
nomail - you get nothing.

To receive each message from the list as it is posted, send this
one-line command to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME each YourEmailAddressHere
where "LISTNAME" is replaced with the name of the list. This will turn
off (or cancel) the digest and/or nomail options if they are in effect.

To temporarily suspend all messages from the list, without unsubscribing,
send this one-line command to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME nomail YourEmailAddressHere
where "LISTNAME" is replaced with the name of the list. You can also
specify an amount of time that you would like to stop receiving mail,
as a number of days/weeks/months. If you don't specify a time period,
messages from the list will be suspended until you turn them back on
with either 'digest' or 'each'. If you DO specify a time period, you
will return to the 'digest' or 'each' setting you had before you set
your subscription to 'nomail'. If you didn't specify a time period, or
if you come back early, send this command to cancel "nomail":
set LISTNAME nomail-return YourEmailAddressHere
which will return you to 'each' or 'digest', however your subscription
was set before you enabled 'nomail'.
You can specify times in terms of "days", "weeks", and "months". You can
leave off all but the first letter of the words as in '2d', '2w', '2m'.
For example, you can send commands like this to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME nomail YourEmailAddressHere
which suspends email from the list "LISTNAME" until you turn it back on,
set LISTNAME nomail-4d YourEmailAddressHere
which suspends email for four days, or
set LISTNAME nomail-1months YourEmailAddressHere
which suspends email for one month. Remember that "LISTNAME" is replaced
with the name of the list where you are subscribed. If you come back
NOTE: You can use "nomail" or "vacation", they are identical commands.

To receive groups of messages or just a list of messages from the list,
instead of receiving each message one at a time, send this one-line
command to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME digest YourEmailAddressHere
where "LISTNAME" is replaced with the name of the list.
WARNING: The "set digest" option is not fully implemented as of 2/99.
Along with 'digest', you can specify which digest you want to receive and
how you want it formatted. For example, you can send one of these commands
in a message to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME digest-daily-mime YourEmailAddressHere
set LISTNAME digest-weekly-index YourEmailAddressHere
where "LISTNAME" is replaced with the name of the list. The three supported
types of digest you can receive are:
mime - a format supported by many of the newer mail clients.
text - the old, plain text digest format
index - just an index of messages; you can retrieve the ones you want
to see using the 'archive' command.
The name of the digest, 'daily' and 'weekly' in the examples above, is
optional. You can leave the digest name and format off the command to get
the defaults provided by the list owner.
WARNING: The "archive" command is not implemented as of 2/99, "get" may work?
You should refer to the introductory document for a list of which
digests are available to you. You may choose a digest name based on
what the list owner has already set up, which might NOT be the digest
names shown here ('daily' or 'weekly'). To get that document, send
intro LISTNAME
using the actual list name, to the server at majordomo@planetolsen.com
(If that doesn't discuss digests, you may have to contact the list
owner at the special address LISTNAME-owner@planetolsen.com)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2. To control what parts of the process Majordomo informs you of
once your message is submitted, send one of these commands to
the server majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME noack YourEmailAddressHere
- You receive nothing about posts, whether they go to the list or
bounce to the owner for review or are denied. You should monitor
the list to see if your msg is posted.
set LISTNAME ackimportant YourEmailAddressHere
- You are notified if the message is held up for approval or
denied due to rules the owner has set up for the list.
set LISTNAME ackall YourEmailAddressHere
- You receive everything you do when using "ackimportant", plus
when your message is posted to the list you get a confirmation.
NOTE: As of 2/99, there is no posted message confirmation, so ackall
and ackimportant are identical. This will change in the future.
NOTE: To override "noack" for denied posts, or to send additional information,
the list owner can configure the list to override the user's settings.
Refer to "help configset ack_denials_always" for how to bypass "noack",
and "help configset ack_attach_original" for how to return the denied
post along with the pre-defined error text. These are not user commands.
WARNING: Using "noack", the default, can make error messages vanish if
your list has access_rules that use replyfile. If your list uses
only mailfiles, using "noack" can suppress one of the two messages
some errors produce. Use "set LISTNAME noack" with extreme caution.
To make sure you get all messages from the server, send this one-line
command to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME ackall YourEmailAddressHere
Remember to put in your actual email address and the real list name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
3. These control whether or not you get a copy of your own message sent back
to you. (Assuming you are receiving 'each' message; 'digest' users will
always see their own messages in the digest and 'nomail' users will
obviously not receive their messages).
To get copies of your own post from the list "LISTNAME", send this
one-line command to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME selfcopy YourEmailAddressHere
To suppress copies of your own post from the list "LISTNAME", send this
one-line command to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME noselfcopy YourEmailAddressHere
Remember to put in your actual email address and the real list name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
4. These control whether or not users can see your address using 'who':
hideall - 'who' shows nothing about you.
hideaddress - 'who' shows your name but not your email address
nohide - 'who' shows both your name and your address
showall - same as "nohide", shows all information
For maximum privacy, send this one-line command to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME hideall YourEmailAddressHere
where "LISTNAME" is replaced with the name of the list.
Remember to put in your actual email address and the real list name.
The list owner can disable the "who" command several different ways,
so even if you use "nohide" here others may be unable to get your
name from the subscriber list. See "help who" for details.
Your email address is stored separately from comment fields that were
with it when you subscribed. The "hideaddress" setting will leave those
comments visible, but only if you provided them when you registered or
when you subscribed. For example, "Joe Blow <joe@blow.org>" has a
comment (or name) of "Joe Blow"... but no one knows if that comment
will be there for each subscriber or if it will represent a real name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
5. These control carbon copy elimination. If this is on and your address
appears in the To: or CC: headers of a message that Majordomo is
processing, it will not send an additional copy to you. This helps to
cut down on many of those annoying duplicates that are often received,
but it deprives you of the additional processin that Majordomo does on a
message (subject prefixes, additional headers, etc.).
eliminatecc - turns CC elimination on
noeliminatecc - turns it off
To make sure you get all messages, even though they may be duplicates,
send this one-line command to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME noeliminatecc YourEmailAddressHere
where "LISTNAME" is replaced with the name of the list.
Remember to put in your actual email address and the real list name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
6. These control subject prefix generation. If the list owner has defined a
prefix, you can specify whether or not you want to see it.
prefix - always add the prefix
noprefix - never show the prefix
To eliminate offensive subject prefixes, send this one-line command
to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME noprefix YourEmailAddressHere
where "LISTNAME" is replaced with the name of the list.
Remember to put in your actual email address and the real list name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
7. These control Reply-To: header generation. If the list owner has defined
a Reply-To: header, you can specify whether or not you want to see it.
replyto - always add the Reply-To: header
noreplyto - never add the header (but if the poster has provided one,
you will see it)
To eliminate list-specific Reply-To fields, send this one-line command
to majordomo@planetolsen.com
set LISTNAME noreplyto YourEmailAddressHere
where "LISTNAME" is replaced with the name of the list.
Remember to put in your actual email address and the real list name.
WARNING: Different mail tools interpret the From, Sender, and Reply-To
fields in different ways. Some don't even show you all the headers,
so you should always check who a reply will go to before you send it.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Here is a summary of all possible flags, grouped into mutually
exclusive sets (specify only one of each set, because each one will
override the others in the set). Detailed descriptions are above.
Remember to put in your actual email address and the real list name!
1. Subscription class: (no such options in default_flags)
set LISTNAME each EmailAddress (default subscription)
set LISTNAME digest[-name][-index][-text][-mime] EmailAddress
set LISTNAME nomail[-time] EmailAddress
set LISTNAME vacation[-time] EmailAddress
NOTE: "nomail" and "vacation" are identical, use whichever you like.
2. Informative messages about your post:
set LISTNAME ackall EmailAddress ('A' in default_flags)
set LISTNAME ackimportant EmailAddress ('a' in default_flags)
set LISTNAME noack EmailAddress (no a, no A in default_flags)
3. Whether you want a copy of your own posts:
set LISTNAME selfcopy EmailAddress ('S' in default_flags)
set LISTNAME noselfcopy EmailAddress (no S in default_flags)
4. Whether you want to be visible with "who":
set LISTNAME hideal EmailAddressl ('H' in default_flags)
set LISTNAME hideaddress EmailAddress ('h' in default_flags)
set LISTNAME nohide EmailAddress (no h, no H in default_flags)
5. Suppress list mail if you already got a CC:
set LISTNAME eliminatecc EmailAddress ('C' in default_flags)
set LISTNAME noeliminatecc EmailAddress (no C in default_flags)
6. Suppress subject prefix added by owner:
set LISTNAME prefix EmailAddress ('P' in default_flags)
set LISTNAME noprefix EmailAddress (no P in default_flags)
7. Suppress replyto header added by owner:
set LISTNAME replyto EmailAddress ('R' in default_flags)
set LISTNAME noreplyto EmailAddress (no R in default_flags)

==> see also: configset ack_attach_original (attaches post to error message 
if stalled)
==> see also: configset ack_denials_always (overrides "noack" for denied 
posts)
==> see also: configset allowed_flags (restricts subscribers ability to use 
set)
==> see also: configset default_flags (sets per-list defaults before 
subscribing)





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That's what I get from the Berkely 8.9 mailer on Solaris 7

per the recommendation on combing thru majordomo.cf, I can't get
past this thing on a "test list"

Can anyone help?

Thanks,

   Marty


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I have lost my admin password. How could I retrive it?

EPINET Admin,
Daminda Weerasinghe


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From: Jeff Lasman <jblists@nobaloney.net>
Subject: Re: Majordomo Daemon dies out on Linux
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At 12:42 PM 3/8/00 +0530, you wrote:

>Does
>majordomo software run as a daemon. I was thinking that sendmail executes
>it during the mail delivery process by starting a shell and then invoking
>the majordomo program. Correct me if my understanding is not correct.

Majordomo is a set of perl scripts.  Majordomo starts these scripts by 
sending mail through them (filtering them through a compiled program that 
checks access rights first).

>Thanks for any enlightenment in this regard.

That's the simple explanation.

Jeff
--
Jeff Lasman <jblists@nobaloney.net>


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From: "Sam Stickland" <sam@spacething.org>
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Hi,

>Does anyone know of a good web interface that will allow users to subscribe
>and unsubscribe directly from a web page?


I was in the process of making such a thing using PHP since it didn't seem that
hard to do, but if there's ones already out there I'd like to know.

>Is there a way to combine the confirmation and "command succeeded" emails?


The "command succeeded" goes to the address the subscribe came _from_ and the
confirmation email goes to the address the subscription is for - so combining
them would have to be a special case for when the addresses match.

>Is there a way to combine the welcome and command confirmation too?


Yes - I'd like this as well.  I'd also like a way to insert the number of
subscribers into such a message - simply the output of `wc -l lists/list` I
presume.  I'm not above hacking the perl source to achieve this, but I'd prefer
it if there was a recognised way of doing this.

Sam



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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:42:59 +0800 
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Hi, Sir

Can you help me to settled some problems about Majordomo? 

I have already installed Majordomo and Majorcool on my server ( Sun Ultra-2,
solaris 2.51), and I can browse majordomo on the web. Majordomo did not
report any error messages when I installed it and runned the command
"wrapper config-test" . I am sure that the account, permission and path  is
correct.

Problem:No any majordomo mail have been returned to me after I attempt to
create a mailing list on the web. 

I think that maybe caused by configuration of sendmail. 
First, I add the majordomo-related aliases to my Sendmail aliases file
according to INSTALL file
	"OA" line to /etc/sendmail.cf
	OA/usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.aliases
In "majordomo.aliases" file, one line exist:
	majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"

I have two testing for majordomo, the details are as follows
1.	#/usr/lib/sendmail -v majordomo
	Warning: 	alias database
/usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.aliases.pag out of date
	WARNING:	cannot open alias database
/usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.aliases
	/usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.aliases: 8 aliases, longest 65 bytes,
293 bytes total
	majordomo..... aliaseed to majordomo@emailserver
2.	 I added one line ( majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
majordomo") in /etc/sendmail.cf
	#/usr/lib/sendmail -bd -q15m
	554 /etc/sendmail.cf: line 385: unknown control line "majordomo:
"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo""
	
According to above action, I think that is aliases issues, all user request
email to majordomo can not be process automatically by MAJORDOMO. Can you
tell me how to correct it? What I need to do in sendmail.cf and
majordomo.aliases? 

Best Regards and Thanks 

Jervy Chen



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From: Aradi Szilard <szilu@szilu.bgk.bme.hu>
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Subject: help me again!!!
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Hi!

Thank for your replies. Majordomo works correctly, but now I`ve got
another problem. It can`t send attachment. It send me an email with
this subject:
BOUNCE list@szilu.bgk.bme.hu:     Message too long (>40000 chars)
and  put the file into the mail.  

Please, SOMEBODY HELP ME! I haven`t got any idea.

Bye
Szilu




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I am having trouble getting Majordomo 1.94 to work correctly. It processes 
commands fine, such as subscriptions and whatnot. But if I try to send an 
email to the list, it goes to never-never land. I will try to post as much 
info as possible.... here are my aliases :

majordomo-blah: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo.blah -C 
/usr/local/majordomo/majordomoblah.conf"

owner-blah:shawn@megadeth.org
owner-blah-outgoing:shawn@megadeth.org
blah-approval:shawn@megadeth.org

blah: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l blah -h blah.com blah-outgoing"
blah-outgoing::include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/blah
blah-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo.blah -l blah"


This is a "virtual" mailing list, which is why I specifed different 
majordomo conf and program paths. I also created the appropriate aliases 
for this domain, such as majordomo@domain goes to majordomo-blah@localhost.


Have I missed anything? This is on FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE, sendmail 8.9.3. No 
group writealbe directories either, which was a problem at first...









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Subject: Re: Sending a message from Microsoft Outlook Client
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Cheryl Yevak wrote:

> When a message is sent from an Outlook client the message never goes
> through.   I don't even see it coming through on the mail logs.  But the
> weird thing is that the owner nor the sender are receiving bounces.

Make sure that the sender has HTML turned off.  Beyond that, I don't
know.
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To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, Ray Ramirez <rramirez@mmcnet.com>
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Ray Ramirez wrote:

> majordomo lists. I get a "BOUCE" back from majordomo that looks like this:
> Subject: BOUNCE testlist@mmcnet.com:     Message too long (>40000 chars)

In your listname.config file there is a 'maxlength = 40000' line. 
Modify that number to whatever you want to allow.  
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From: "George R. Kasica" <georgek@netwrx1.com>
To: Michael Regoli <mr@micron.oah.org>
Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
Subject: Re: majorcool?
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:53:31 -0600
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>Any ideas where to get the latest version of majorcool?
>
>Thanks!  --Michael (mr@micron.oah.org)
You can find it here at
ftp://www.netwrx1.com/pub/majorcool-1.3.2.tar.gz

George

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To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM, Aradi Szilard <szilu@szilu.bgk.bme.hu>
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Aradi Szilard wrote:

> BOUNCE list@szilu.bgk.bme.hu:     Message too long (>40000 chars)

It's telling you exactly what's wrong.  Message too long, >40000
characters.  Look in your listname.config file and find the spot where
it's setting the maximum message length to 40000 and adjust it larger.
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Here is a standard reply for majordomo permissions problems.  These may
be stupid questions, but when you were compiling, were you compiling as
root?  What uid.gid is sendmail running as?  What uid.gid is majordomo
running as?  Don't forget to make majordomo a trusted user of sendmail.

Blue skies...		Cannonball	http://www.mrball.net

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: install problem
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 18:45:27 -0800
From: "Todd A. Lyons" <cannonball@usinter.net>
To: Norio Ohki <norio@okmicro.co.jp>


Norio Ohki wrote:

> :include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.3/lists/abt
> I tried to modify permissions of directory and files, in vain.
> What should I check settings? Any advice will be appreciated.

-----From the sendmail 8.9 FAQ Question 3.32:
Now the differences that make this work that may not be the same as
instructed by the majordomo instructions:
1)  Put the majordomo.aliases file in /etc, not in the majordomo install
directory.
2)  Make the permissions on /usr/local/majordomo 0751, not 0775.
3)  Make the permissions on /usr/local/majordomo/Log 0664, owned by
majordomo, group majordomo.
4)  /usr/local/majordomo/lists is mode 0755, owner majordomo, group
majordomo
5)  The permissions owners for the lists should be 

0755  majordomo.majordomo  /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.4/lists/
0664  majordomo.majordomo  /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.4/lists/abt
0660  majordomo.majordomo  /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.4/lists/abt.config
0664  majordomo.majordomo  /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.4/lists/abt.info

------End quote

The only difference between sendmail's recommendation and my working
system are that I have all groups set to daemon (ie majordomo.daemon)
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:00:41 -0700
From: Bob Nielsen <nielsen@primenet.com>
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What software is available for retrieving mail list archives created
by majordomo?  Ideally I'd like something which is web-based and has
password access (it's for a restricted list).  Any pointers are
appreciated.

-- 
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hi there,

I just recently downloaded and rpm-ed the majordomo release for RedHat =
6.1, and have successfully created a list. Initial tests to subscribe =
and unsubscribe were very successful...

However, whenever I tried to send an email to the list, it doesn't get =
sent. I've got the resend alias done in my /etc/aliases file like this - =


jokes:     "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -list jokes"

The doc says to just use the switch "-l" but that gives me too many =
errors and doesn't run. In desperation, I used "-lists" and it worked! =
Unfortunately, the email comes out as being sent to owner-ists@xxx.com =
instead of the proper owner-jokes@xxx.com.

What could be wrong?



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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hi there,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just recently downloaded and rpm-ed =
the majordomo=20
release for RedHat 6.1, and have successfully created a list. Initial =
tests to=20
subscribe and unsubscribe were very successful...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, whenever I tried to send an =
email to the=20
list, it doesn't get sent. I've got the resend alias done in my =
/etc/aliases=20
file like this - </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jokes:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
"|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -list jokes"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The doc says to just use the switch =
"-l" but that=20
gives me too many errors and doesn't run. In desperation, I used =
"-lists" and it=20
worked! Unfortunately, the email comes out as being sent to <A=20
href=3D"mailto:owner-ists@xxx.com">owner-ists@xxx.com</A> instead of the =
proper <A=20
href=3D"mailto:owner-jokes@xxx.com">owner-jokes@xxx.com</A>.</FONT></DIV>=

<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What could be wrong?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From: "Joe R. Jah" <jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us>
Reply-To: "Joe R. Jah" <jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us>
To: Bob Nielsen <nielsen@primenet.com>
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Subject: Re: Retrieving archives
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Bob Nielsen wrote:

> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:00:41 -0700
> From: Bob Nielsen <nielsen@primenet.com>
> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
> Subject: Retrieving archives
> 
> What software is available for retrieving mail list archives created
> by majordomo?  Ideally I'd like something which is web-based and has
> password access (it's for a restricted list).  Any pointers are
> appreciated.

Try the following trio:

MHonArc:	http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html
Glimpse:	http://glimpse.cs.arizona.edu/
Wilma:		ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/

Wilma functions like a glue between Majordomo archives, MHonArc, and
Glimpse search engine.  They turn your Majordomo archives into searchable
individual HTML message pages with chronological and thread indexes.  You
can use .htaccess to password protect the archive web site. 

Download Wilma first and follow its installation instructions.  For an
example you can browse and search the archives of this very mailing list
(Sep. 1992 - Nov. 1998) in:

	http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users/

or Majordomo Workers mailing list (Nov. 1993 - Nov 1998) in:

	http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-workers/

You can bookmark the URL's, so next time when you have a question you can
look it up there before posting it to the list;)  You can also look it up
in the FAQ at http://www.visi.com/~barr/majordomo-faq.html.

I just discovered that Majordomo-users and -workers archives end in Nov
1998;(  Even the latest Majordomo FAQ sites the above URL's as the current
archive sites:
__________________________________________________________________________
1.5 - Where do I report bugs or get help with Majordomo?

  ...

  If you need help, there is a mailing list
  majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, which is frequented by lots of users
  of Majordomo. Report actual bugs to majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com.
  It's a good idea to search or browse the list archives below for the
  last couple months since many of the same questions are asked (and
  answered) regularly. There are searchable list archives (thanks to
  Jason Tibbitts) at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-users/ and
  http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo-workers/.

...
__________________________________________________________________________


Any ideas, Dave, where the current list archives are kept, if at all?

Regards,

Joe
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On Mar 12, 2000 at 02:07, Isaiah Chua wrote:

> The doc says to just use the switch "-l" but that gives me too many
> errors and doesn't run. In desperation, I used "-lists" and it worked!
> Unfortunately, the email comes out as being sent to owner-ists@xxx.com
> instead of the proper owner-jokes@xxx.com.

Try -ljokes

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hi Satya,

I've tried that as well - returns an error.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Satya" <satyap@satyaonline.cjb.net>
To: "Isaiah Chua" <isaiah.chua@twc-asia.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Problem with resend


> On Mar 12, 2000 at 02:07, Isaiah Chua wrote:
> 
> > The doc says to just use the switch "-l" but that gives me too many
> > errors and doesn't run. In desperation, I used "-lists" and it worked!
> > Unfortunately, the email comes out as being sent to owner-ists@xxx.com
> > instead of the proper owner-jokes@xxx.com.
> 
> Try -ljokes



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> Isaiah Chua wrote:

> However, whenever I tried to send an email to the list, it doesn't get
> sent. I've got the resend alias done in my /etc/aliases file like this
> jokes:     "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -list jokes"

When we first setup our list, we had a problem in that the text editor
automatically inserted a carriage return at the end of a line.  Check to
make sure that the line in your config file that you *think* is line
wrapping does not actually have a carriage return in it.
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Joe R. Jah <jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us> wrote on Sat, 11 Mar 2000:
> Glimpse:	http://glimpse.cs.arizona.edu/
> Wilma:		ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/

I knew about Wilma, but actually went with ht://Dig as a search engine
for my archive, mainly because it came pre-installed with Debian box and
required fairly little configuration.  Just another possibility...

http://www.htdig.org/


Regards,
Mikko
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From: "Grace M. Garcia" <gmg@iphil.net>
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Subject: permission denied and shlock error
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dear all,


> > majordomo version: majordomo-1.94.5
> > perl version: per 5.004m4
> > OS and version: Red hat Linux release 5.2/ kernel 2.0.36
> > mailer and version: sendmail 8.8.7

Majordomo-owner gets the following error when I am sending confirmation.
It allows subscription but couldn't write to the lists directory. 

Please help... do I need to reinstall and change the uid and gid. The
present uid and gid of majordomo (at /etc/passwd) is 549:550

error #1
MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

shlock: '/home/majordomo' is not writable by UID 8 GID 12 


error #2
MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

Can't append to /home/majordomo/lists/test: Permission denied


Grace M. Garcia                                 
Manila, Philippines


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Grace
You have answered your own question. The ownership for the shlock.pl file 
needs to be the majordomo user. Also majordomo needs to be setup as a 
system user ie uid gid <500 use adduser with -r flag to do this...Try man 
adduser. In your makefile when you compile ensure you set uid and gid 
correctly. Ensure you are placing the binaries into another directory from 
the one you are compiling in. Other than that make sure the group and 
ownership of the lists directory is the majordomo user you set. Try using 
the config-test script. That should clear up all problems with permissions. 
Your majordomo directory should look something like this.
drwxr-xr-x   2 majordom majordom     1024 Mar  9 08:29 Tools
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom     5234 Mar  9 08:32 archive2.pl
drwxr-xr-x   2 majordom majordom     1024 Mar  9 08:29 bin
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom     2795 Mar  9 08:32 bounce-remind
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom    10671 Mar  9 08:32 config-test
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom    49673 Mar  9 08:32 config_parse.pl
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom    13031 Mar  9 08:32 digest
drwxrwx---   2 majordom majordom     1024 Mar 11 17:15 lists
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom    64251 Mar  9 08:32 majordomo
-rw-r--r--   1 majordom majordom    10477 Mar  6 02:05 majordomo.cf
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom    23763 Mar  9 08:32 majordomo.pl
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom      137 Mar  9 08:32 majordomo_version.pl
drwxr-xr-x   4 majordom majordom     1024 Mar  9 08:29 man
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom     3532 Mar  9 08:32 request-answer
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom    29520 Mar  9 08:32 resend
-rw-r--r--   1 majordom majordom    10462 Mar  9 08:32 sample.cf
-rwxr-xr-x   1 majordom majordom     8060 Mar  9 08:32 shlock.pl
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root     majordom    14818 Mar  9 08:32 wrapper
Brad
At 02:28 PM 13-03-2000 +0800, you wrote:

>dear all,
>
>
> > > majordomo version: majordomo-1.94.5
> > > perl version: per 5.004m4
> > > OS and version: Red hat Linux release 5.2/ kernel 2.0.36
> > > mailer and version: sendmail 8.8.7
>
>Majordomo-owner gets the following error when I am sending confirmation.
>It allows subscription but couldn't write to the lists directory.
>
>Please help... do I need to reinstall and change the uid and gid. The
>present uid and gid of majordomo (at /etc/passwd) is 549:550
>
>error #1
>MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
>
>shlock: '/home/majordomo' is not writable by UID 8 GID 12
>
>
>error #2
>MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
>
>Can't append to /home/majordomo/lists/test: Permission denied
>
>
>Grace M. Garcia
>Manila, Philippines


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Not sure where to look for this, but it appears that for some lists that
I've moved over to Majordomo2, archiving of mail is working, but nobody
actually ever gets a copy of it ... for other lists, it all appears to
work fine ...

For instance, pgsql-interfaces has received:

hub# grep Date: pgsql-interfaces.200003
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:08:46 +0200
Date: 9 Mar 2000 21:54:22 -0200
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:17:47 PST
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:35:11 +0100
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:34:40 +0100
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:53:02 -0500
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:54:45 +0100
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:50:46 +0000
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:10:26 -0400 (AST)

But I've never seen an actual message for the list in my mailbox, even
though I'm subscribed to it (from mj_shell show scrappy@hub.org)

      pgsql-interfaces:
        Subscribed at Thu Mar  9 13:06:15 2000 GMT.
        Receiving each message.
        Subscriber flags:
          noack
          noeliminatecc
          nohide
          prefix
          replyto
          selfcopy
          norewritefrom
        Data last changed at Thu Mar  9 13:06:15 2000 GMT.

I've had reports at work on lists that have been moved to majordomo2 of
similar ocurrances, where ppl send an email to a list that appears to work
perfectly, but the list never actually sees the message ...

Both mail servers are running Sendmail, one is a Solaris7 server, the
other FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE ...

Still investigating at this end, but help/pointers would be much
appreciated ...

Thanks ...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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Can someone point me to where browsable archives of the list more recent
then Nov98 can be found?  

thanks...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 



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Hello, I have recently installed majordomo and major cool and everything
seems to be working ALMOST 100%. When I run mj_key_cache as root, I get an
errors saying:

Can't locate majordomo_version.pl in @INC (@INC contains: /root
/usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 .)
at ./mj_key_cache line 57.

I have added /usr/majordomo to my path as root, majordomo, and bin. I do not
have the mj_key_cache file setuid. I am very puzzled. I cannot find where
the script is getting the "path" variable. I would appreciate it. Your
product works very well. 

Also, one last thing, is there a way for the majordomo admin to "approve
lists" and admin the whole majordomo?  I know you can admin individual
lists, but what about the entire majordomo all together.

Thanks and keep up the great work, sysadmins really appreciate your hard
work.


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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:56:48 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joe R. Jah" <jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us>
Reply-To: "Joe R. Jah" <jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us>
To: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
cc: "Majordomo user's mailing list" <majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM>
Subject: Re: List archives ...
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote:

> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:22:58 -0400 (AST)
> From: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
> To: Majordomo user's mailing list <majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM>
> Subject: List archives ...
> 
> 
> Can someone point me to where browsable archives of the list more recent
> then Nov98 can be found?  

Thanks to Michael Yount <csf@moscow.com> I found out that the current
browsable archives are kept at:

	http://greatcircle.com/lists/majordomo-users/archive.html

Regards,

Joe
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Just starting to go through the archives, and saw this one right off the
bat ... 

Jason, is this with Majordomo2, or 1?  It sounds like the same problem I'm
seeing with MJ2 ...


=============

 Subject: 
       Majordomo not posting messages I send to a list...
  From: 
       Jason Ferris <microscoop@micro2000.com>
  Date: 
       Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:52:33 -0800
    To: 
       majordomo-users@greatcircle.com



We have configured Majordomo and set up the test-l list just so we can get
everything working before we create the actual list we'll be using.
Currently we can email majordomo and set the config and everything with no
errors. However, when I email test-l something to post to our list, it
goes out and never gets bounced....and yet no one on the test-l list ever
receives it. Could someone please help us with this???


Jasonf@micro2000.com 
===============


Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
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On 09:17 AM 3/13/00 -0400, The Hermit Hacker said:

>Not sure where to look for this, but it appears that for some lists that
>I've moved over to Majordomo2, archiving of mail is working, but nobody
>actually ever gets a copy of it ... for other lists, it all appears to
>work fine ...

>Still investigating at this end, but help/pointers would be much
>appreciated ...

Try setting the debug level to something a bit noisy/verbose and see if any 
errors are showing up in the logs.

You do this by changing the aliases/virtuser files and adding -v xxx where 
xxx is the level of logging you want. I believe the higher the number the 
more verbose. Don't forget to remake the maps once you've edited the files.

--James


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Is there an alias option one can set such that majordomo doesn't return any
email response about whether or not the command succeeded?

That way we could delete bouncing addresses with an email command and not
have to get a message that the confirmation bounced when we knew it would
anyway.

Thanks,
Tim

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Here's the output of the mkdigest command on one of my lists:

>>>> mkdigest sig-l-digest xxxxx
producing sig-l-digest V3 #371
	processing /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest/001
	processing /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest/002
	processing /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest/003
	processing /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest/004
	processing /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest/005
mj_digest: ABORT
open(DIGEST,
">/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l-digest.archive/v03.n371"): No such
file or directory


In the majordomo.cf file I have the following set:
	$homedir = "/usr/majordomo-1.94.5";
	$listdir = "$homedir/lists";
	$digest_work_dir = "/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest";

Why is majordomo trying to put anything in
/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l-digest.archive???

Shouldn't it be putting it in
majordomo-1.94.5/lists/--DIGEST--/sig-l-digest.archive??

Julian


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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, James Olsen wrote:

> On 09:17 AM 3/13/00 -0400, The Hermit Hacker said:
> 
> >Not sure where to look for this, but it appears that for some lists
> that >I've moved over to Majordomo2, archiving of mail is working, but
> nobody >actually ever gets a copy of it ... for other lists, it all
> appears to >work fine ...
> 
> >Still investigating at this end, but help/pointers would be much
> >appreciated ...
> 
> Try setting the debug level to something a bit noisy/verbose and see
> if any errors are showing up in the logs.
> 
> You do this by changing the aliases/virtuser files and adding -v xxx
> where xxx is the level of logging you want. I believe the higher the
> number the more verbose. Don't forget to remake the maps once you've
> edited the files.

Great, that helps ... it also forced me to go re-read README.DEBUGGING and
notice that /usr/local/majordomo/tmp/mj contains 'debug files' ... woo hoo
...

not that its made any differences ...

here is what maillog shows:

Mar 13 13:56:08 hub sendmail[84382]: NAA84382: to="|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -v 200 -r -d hub.org -l pgsql-interfaces", delay=00:00:47, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
Mar 13 14:00:47 hub sendmail[84937]: NAA84937: from=<pgsql-interfaces-owner+M10@hub.org>, size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=3, proto=SMTP, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]


so, I know that the alias is being used, and the level is being set ...

now, I'm guessing that mj_enqueue.debug is what i want to look at, right?  
around the process id of 84382?  if so, this is all that comes out:

[84042].Enqueue: In...
[84042].Enqueue: In: Excessive load; queueing
[84042].Enqueue: Excessive load; queueing
[84042].Enqueue: In...
[84042].Enqueue: In: 
[84384].Enqueue: Out: Hello.

[84384].Enqueue: In...
[84384].Enqueue: In: Excessive load; queueing
[84384].Enqueue: Excessive load; queueing
[84384].Enqueue: In...
[84384].Enqueue: In: 
[84627].Enqueue: Out: Hello.

In fact, those 6 lines are pretty much consistent throught the whole debug
file, regardless of debug level ...

If I look in /usr/local/majordomo/lists/QUEUE/10/hub.org/10/10/list, I can
find my two postings:

-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1026 Mar 13 13:56 NAA-84384-pgsql-interfaces
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon   981 Mar 13 13:46 NAA-82830-pgsql-interfaces

but there are postings in there also from ~3hrs ago from other lists, with
a total of 31 messages sitting there.  The system loadavg:

	load averages: 2.88, 3.43, 3.44

so not particularly high ...

and i have queuerun processes going that go back to 6:30am:

hub# ps aux | grep mj_
majordom 92058  0.0  1.7 13944 13272  ??  I     6:39AM   0:21.01 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 97097  0.0  1.2 10360 9720  ??  I     7:08AM   0:05.48 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom  3622  0.0  1.0  8296 7644  ??  I     7:49AM   0:02.12 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom  3819  0.0  1.5 12228 11560  ??  I     7:50AM   0:10.83 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom  3823  0.0  1.3 11064 10404  ??  I     7:50AM   0:07.95 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 12231  0.0  1.1  8880 8220  ??  I     8:31AM   0:02.55 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 12416  0.0  1.7 13660 13016  ??  I     8:32AM   0:58.13 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 12435  0.0  1.6 12912 12244  ??  I     8:32AM   0:22.45 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 31900  0.0  1.4 11504 10856  ??  I    10:13AM   0:22.81 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 32091  0.0  1.6 13124 12584  ??  I    10:14AM   1:21.19 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 32107  0.0  1.4 11460 10828  ??  I    10:14AM   0:22.96 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 86443  0.0  0.2  3116 1752  ??  Is    2:08PM   0:00.02 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueserv 0
majordom 86446  0.0  1.2  9828 9328  ??  S     2:08PM   0:04.26 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 86623  0.0  1.3 10764 10244  ??  S     2:09PM   0:06.18 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
majordom 86927  0.0  1.3 10760 10240  ??  S     2:11PM   0:06.30 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0

The machine is running FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE, with 768Meg of RAM ... have I
maybe gotten something configured wrong for Majordomo?  What doesn't make
sense to me is that some lists work fine, others you never see any traffic
on them, and their setups are all the same ...

hub# perl -v

This is perl, version 5.005_03 built for i386-freebsd

===============

I'm going to watch the queue directory to see when those files get
processed ... but something is disappearing into the ol'bitbucket :(




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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:55:58 -0800
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 :}
 :}Not sure where to look for this, but it appears that for some lists that
 :}I've moved over to Majordomo2, archiving of mail is working, but nobody
 :}actually ever gets a copy of it ... for other lists, it all appears to
 :}work fine ...
 :}
 :}[snip]
 :}But I've never seen an actual message for the list in my mailbox, even
 :}though I'm subscribed to it (from mj_shell show scrappy@hub.org)

Marc,

This would most likely occur if processing stopped during Mj::Resend::_post.
In that case, files with names beginning with "mjr" may
appear in the directory that holds the debugging logs.

You can change the debugging level with 
  configset LIST debug = 200
or with the -v switch in your aliases file.

If you mail me a copy of the mj_resend.debug log
for one process with debugging turned up, I should
be able to diagnose the problem.

 :}
 :}I've had reports at work on lists that have been moved to majordomo2 of
 :}similar ocurrances, where ppl send an email to a list that appears to work
 :}perfectly, but the list never actually sees the message ...
 :}
 :}Both mail servers are running Sendmail, one is a Solaris7 server, the
 :}other FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE ...
 :}
 :}Still investigating at this end, but help/pointers would be much
 :}appreciated ...

Which version of Majordomo 2 are you using?  If it's from last
year, you will eventually notice a race condition on any computer
where perl does not support BSD-style flock. Use
  perl -V:d_flock
to see if it's supported.  The race condition doesn't affect
delivery, but it will create extraneous CONSULT messages for 
the list owners.  The race occurs anytime more than one message
is queued simultaneously.

There are patches (soon to be merged into Jason Tibbitts' stable
CVS tree) that fix the race condition and other bugs, at
  http://csf.colorado.edu/help/
or contact me privately if you're interested in anonymous CVS
access.

Thanks for using Mj2.

Michael

 :}
 :}Thanks ...
 :}
 :}Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
 :}Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
 :}primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org

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Hi,

I'm Nizam. I have install majordomo software into my linux system. But when 
I try to use that program, I get an error message "wrapper not available for 
sendmail programs". Could somebody help me to resolve this problem.

Thanks

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Fellas I thank you for the response

"Doc/majordomo-faq.txt" had exactly the fix

Well I'm cookin'

Used the giant kluge 

    O DontBlameSendmail=groupwritabledirpathsafe

in sendmail.cf for mail 8.9 under Solaris 7

Hated that since all my majordomo group write bits were unset & still I 
got the "forwarding/loop, etc. " problem

Making majordomo a Tuser dint help either durnit.

One unexploited idea was changing group to a new "majordomo one" from
daemon and making majordomo a trusted user. 


  Thanks,

     Marty


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I have read the book 'MAILING LISTS' and have read through the faq's  on
Majordomo and I have been unable to hide a list from showing on my original
signup screen.  I have tried to hide it by using both the advertise and
noadvertise flags in the config file for that list and it still shows.  I
have put the '/./' and '/.*/' entries into noadvertise and the list still
shows.  Any suggestions on where I am having a problem?




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With all the user options that are now in Majordomo2, and the fact that
does things with tokens and whatnot, is anyone working on (or is it
already available?) the ability to "time out" a mailing list?  Bad word
for it ... basically, send a message out to each subscriber forcing them
to acknowledge that they are subscribe to the list, vs havin ga bunch of
'dead accounts'?

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
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	Hi, I got (owner) a message like "unknown mailer error 9", when a tryed to
send a mail to a list. I read about that could be problem with the perl
version; but my perl version is 5.005_03, and a thought it would work.
	Interesting is that the majordomo script runs perfectly (it answer help,
subscribe, unsubscribe,who,... commands), but the resend make this error
message...
	I´m sure that the location of perl executable file is right in Makefile and
in other scripts.
	Anyone that had this experiency, or know about, PLEASE tell me anything.

THANK YOU
[]'s
Paulo

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Please forgive me if this is old hat stuff for seasoned Majordomo users, but
it's not for want of my trying hard to find an answer on my own.

How can I set up my already correctly-installed and functional Majordomo
list in such a way as to archive individual postings to it and to make these
searchable on the web by keywords in subjects or text?  One sees these
search-this-list pages all over the place, including for THIS very list's
archives, but I just can't find instructions anywhere on how to set one up.
I've looked in the Majordomo FAQ at
http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/FAQ.html and its many many links,
including the README file at http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/README.
I've also tried poking around the searchable archives of THIS list, but I've
had no luck finding the lowdown on what we need.

Could someone please-please-please either send me the step-by-step lowdown
or direct me to where it's at.  Please respond or copy me off-list.

Thanx!
Bill Connelly
billiam@erols.com
www.amphicar.net



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i'm install the majordomo
when i send 35000 mail
almost two days
i saw in faq have a tool can speed up
bulk_mailer
i can't install it in slackware 7.0
someone can help me
i'm sorry for my poor english and thank's every body

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"Joe R. Jah" wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:00:41 -0700
> > From: Bob Nielsen <nielsen@primenet.com>
> > To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
> > Subject: Retrieving archives
> >
> > What software is available for retrieving mail list archives created
> > by majordomo?  Ideally I'd like something which is web-based and has
> > password access (it's for a restricted list).  Any pointers are
> > appreciated.
> 
> Try the following trio:
> 
> MHonArc:        http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html
> Glimpse:        http://glimpse.cs.arizona.edu/
> Wilma:          ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/

I've been using hypermail (http://www.hypermail.org) to make the
on-line archives and
Swish-E (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E) to search them.

You may use Apache's .htaccess features to restrict access if
needed..

FWIW, I found the HyperMail/Swish-E combo much easier to work with
and implement than MHonArc/Glimpse/Wilma.

Of course, your milage may vary...

				--==jb==--




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To: Michael Yount <csf@moscow.com>
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Michael Yount wrote:

>  :}
>  :}Not sure where to look for this, but it appears that for some lists that
>  :}I've moved over to Majordomo2, archiving of mail is working, but nobody
>  :}actually ever gets a copy of it ... for other lists, it all appears to
>  :}work fine ...
>  :}
>  :}[snip]
>  :}But I've never seen an actual message for the list in my mailbox, even
>  :}though I'm subscribed to it (from mj_shell show scrappy@hub.org)
> 
> Marc,
> 
> This would most likely occur if processing stopped during Mj::Resend::_post.
> In that case, files with names beginning with "mjr" may
> appear in the directory that holds the debugging logs.
> 
> You can change the debugging level with 
>   configset LIST debug = 200
> or with the -v switch in your aliases file.

okay, setting that one now ...

Majordomo>configset pgsql-interfaces debug = 200

debug set to "200".

> If you mail me a copy of the mj_resend.debug log
> for one process with debugging turned up, I should
> be able to diagnose the problem.

why does it appear that everything is queue'd up for 3 hrs before being
processed?

%cd /usr/local/majordomo/lists/QUEUE/10/hub.org/10/list/
%ls -lt
total 0
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 19:10 TAA-92677-pgsql-ports
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:58 SAA-78047-pgsql-general
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:56 SAA-77709-pgsql-hackers
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:04 SAA-69326-pgsql-hackers
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:00 SAA-68677-pgsql-general
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 17:52 RAA-67353-pgsql-hackers
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 17:41 RAA-65825-pgsql-general
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 16:25 QAA-50768-pgsql-core

Each one appears to not get processed until three hours passes ...

>  :}
>  :}I've had reports at work on lists that have been moved to majordomo2 of
>  :}similar ocurrances, where ppl send an email to a list that appears to work
>  :}perfectly, but the list never actually sees the message ...
>  :}
>  :}Both mail servers are running Sendmail, one is a Solaris7 server, the
>  :}other FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE ...
>  :}
>  :}Still investigating at this end, but help/pointers would be much
>  :}appreciated ...
> 
> Which version of Majordomo 2 are you using?  If it's from last
> year, you will eventually notice a race condition on any computer
> where perl does not support BSD-style flock. Use
>   perl -V:d_flock
> to see if it's supported.  The race condition doesn't affect
> delivery, but it will create extraneous CONSULT messages for 
> the list owners.  The race occurs anytime more than one message
> is queued simultaneously.

%perl -V:d_flock
d_flock='define';

am running the anon CVS version right now as well ...

what about the "what I think" is unusual number of mj_* processes that are
running:

%ps x | grep mj_
 3622  ??  I      0:02.12 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
 3819  ??  I      0:10.83 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
 3823  ??  I      0:07.95 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
12231  ??  I      0:02.55 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
12435  ??  I      0:22.45 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
31900  ??  I      0:22.81 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
32091  ??  I      1:21.19 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
32107  ??  I      0:22.96 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
53495  ??  S      0:11.71 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
86446  ??  S      0:29.92 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
86623  ??  I      0:36.83 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
86927  ??  S      0:34.04 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
92058  ??  I      0:21.01 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
92351  ??  Ss     0:00.09 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuese
93587  ??  R      0:02.85 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
93592  ??  R      0:02.62 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
93595  ??  R      0:02.20 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
97097  ??  I      0:05.48 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru

> There are patches (soon to be merged into Jason Tibbitts' stable
> CVS tree) that fix the race condition and other bugs, at
>   http://csf.colorado.edu/help/
> or contact me privately if you're interested in anonymous CVS
> access.
> 
> Thanks for using Mj2.

its a pleasure, especially once I get through these minor bugs ... :)


> 
> Michael
> 
>  :}
>  :}Thanks ...
>  :}
>  :}Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
>  :}Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
>  :}primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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To: Michael Yount <csf@moscow.com>
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Okay, not sure if/how this helps, but here's what we have from sending a
test email:

-rw-------  1 majordom  daemon  3488659 Mar 13 19:21 mj_queueserv.debug
-rw-r--r--  1 majordom  daemon  1264284 Mar 13 19:21 mj_enqueue.debug
-rw-------  1 majordom  daemon   505265 Mar 13 19:19 mj_resend.debug
-rw-------  1 majordom  daemon      905 Mar 13 19:18 mjr.93587.final3
-rw-------  1 majordom  daemon      905 Mar 13 19:18 mjr.93587.final2
-rw-------  1 majordom  daemon      905 Mar 13 19:18 mjr.93587.final0
-rw-------  1 majordom  daemon      905 Mar 13 19:18 mjr.93587.final1
-rw-------  1 majordom  daemon       43 Mar 13 19:18 mjr93587.31.mime
-rw-------  1 majordom  daemon   394226 Mar 13 19:18 mj_queuerun.debug
-rw-------  1 majordom  daemon   218532 Mar 13 19:18 mj_owner.debug
-rw-------  1 majordom  daemon    43507 Mar 13 19:17 mj_majord.debug

The four mjr* files all contain the message I sent out, specifically:

===================
Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat200.164.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.200.164])
        by hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA94096
        for <pgsql-interfaces@postgresql.org>; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:18:04 -0500 (EST)
        (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org)
Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost)
        by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA48681
        for <pgsql-interfaces@postgresql.org>; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:18:02 -0400 (AST)
        (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org)
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:18:02 -0400 (AST)
From: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
To: pgsql-interfaces@postgresql.org
Subject: testing delivery ...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003132017440.46929-100000@thelab.hub.org>
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... I know it won't go through, but ...


==========================

The debug output is attached ...


On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Michael Yount wrote:

>  :}
>  :}Not sure where to look for this, but it appears that for some lists that
>  :}I've moved over to Majordomo2, archiving of mail is working, but nobody
>  :}actually ever gets a copy of it ... for other lists, it all appears to
>  :}work fine ...
>  :}
>  :}[snip]
>  :}But I've never seen an actual message for the list in my mailbox, even
>  :}though I'm subscribed to it (from mj_shell show scrappy@hub.org)
> 
> Marc,
> 
> This would most likely occur if processing stopped during Mj::Resend::_post.
> In that case, files with names beginning with "mjr" may
> appear in the directory that holds the debugging logs.
> 
> You can change the debugging level with 
>   configset LIST debug = 200
> or with the -v switch in your aliases file.
> 
> If you mail me a copy of the mj_resend.debug log
> for one process with debugging turned up, I should
> be able to diagnose the problem.
> 
>  :}
>  :}I've had reports at work on lists that have been moved to majordomo2 of
>  :}similar ocurrances, where ppl send an email to a list that appears to work
>  :}perfectly, but the list never actually sees the message ...
>  :}
>  :}Both mail servers are running Sendmail, one is a Solaris7 server, the
>  :}other FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE ...
>  :}
>  :}Still investigating at this end, but help/pointers would be much
>  :}appreciated ...
> 
> Which version of Majordomo 2 are you using?  If it's from last
> year, you will eventually notice a race condition on any computer
> where perl does not support BSD-style flock. Use
>   perl -V:d_flock
> to see if it's supported.  The race condition doesn't affect
> delivery, but it will create extraneous CONSULT messages for 
> the list owners.  The race occurs anytime more than one message
> is queued simultaneously.
> 
> There are patches (soon to be merged into Jason Tibbitts' stable
> CVS tree) that fix the race condition and other bugs, at
>   http://csf.colorado.edu/help/
> or contact me privately if you're interested in anonymous CVS
> access.
> 
> Thanks for using Mj2.
> 
> Michael
> 
>  :}
>  :}Thanks ...
>  :}
>  :}Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
>  :}Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
>  :}primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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Search the FAQ for smrsh.  There are instructions for setting up sendmail
to fix this problem.

Seth Kurtzberg
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, kamarul nizam wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm Nizam. I have install majordomo software into my linux system. But when 
> I try to use that program, I get an error message "wrapper not available for 
> sendmail programs". Could somebody help me to resolve this problem.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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It looks like you have a regular list called sig-l, and a digest list called sig-l-digest.  Good.

Majordomo uses 'digest' instead of 'resend' to put the arriving posts destined for the digest in the digest_work_dir, each in its own file with names, 001, 002, 003, etc.  This is the only thing the digest_work_dir is used for, and when mkdigest is done, it empties this directory.  You imply in your post that the digest should also be put in this directory.  This is not so.

When you do a mkdigest, the mkdigest program reads in the individual posts from your digest_work_dir, and then writes the completed digest to the list's 'archive' directory.  It looks like you forgot to make an archive directory for the list, but I am not sure.  Check to see that you have a directory called:
 /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l-digest.archive, where each digest for the sig-l list will be placed.  Try this:
   su majordomo
   <password_for_majordomo>
   mkdir   /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l-digest.archive
   chmod   755   /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l-digest.archive

Then try the mkdigest again.
If this doesn't work, then check that your majordomo.cf file, near the end, has the following two lines, which specify how to derive the name of the  "sig-l-digest.archive":

    $filedir = "$listdir";
    $filedir_suffix = ".archive";

See this link for a nice tutorial on setting up digests:
   http://evunix.uevora.pt/doc/majordomo/quick-digest-setup
Regards,
  Ron Fial  
-----------------------------------------
At 11:13 AM 3/13/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Here's the output of the mkdigest command on one of my lists:
>
>>>>> mkdigest sig-l-digest xxxxx
>producing sig-l-digest V3 #371
>	processing /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest/001
>	processing /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest/002
>	processing /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest/003
>	processing /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest/004
>	processing /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest/sig-l-digest/005
>mj_digest: ABORT
>open(DIGEST,
>">/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l-digest.archive/v03.n371"): No such
>file or directory
>
>
>In the majordomo.cf file I have the following set:
>	$homedir = "/usr/majordomo-1.94.5";
>	$listdir = "$homedir/lists";
>	$digest_work_dir = "/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/digest";
>
>Why is majordomo trying to put anything in
>/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l-digest.archive???
>
>Shouldn't it be putting it in
>majordomo-1.94.5/lists/--DIGEST--/sig-l-digest.archive??
>
>Julian
>
>

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From: Michael Yount <csf@moscow.com>
To: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
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Subject: Re: Majordomo2: archiving works, but delivery sporatic ..
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On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 08:17:29PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> %cd /usr/local/majordomo/lists/QUEUE/10/hub.org/10/list/
> %ls -lt
> total 0
> -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 19:10 TAA-92677-pgsql-ports
> -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:58 SAA-78047-pgsql-general
> -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:56 SAA-77709-pgsql-hackers
> -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:04 SAA-69326-pgsql-hackers
> -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:00 SAA-68677-pgsql-general
> -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 17:52 RAA-67353-pgsql-hackers
> -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 17:41 RAA-65825-pgsql-general
> -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 16:25 QAA-50768-pgsql-core

Okay, I see...the queue runner (mj_queuerun) views a zero-length file as being
locked by mj_enqueue.  This is a separate problem from mail being
archived and not delivered.  The zero-length files should not keep
any of the other mail from being processed.

> 
> Each one appears to not get processed until three hours passes ...
> 

Does each of these zero-length files eventually disappear?

> 
> what about the "what I think" is unusual number of mj_* processes that are
> running:
> 
> %ps x | grep mj_
>  3622  ??  I      0:02.12 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
>  3819  ??  I      0:10.83 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
>  3823  ??  I      0:07.95 /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queueru
[snip]

That and the log you sent remind me of the delivery_rules problem
at least a couple of people have had with sendmail.  The mj_queuerun
processes should only be around for a minute or two unless something
is stalled during the delivery process.  When that happens, the 
latest log entries are truncated.  Eventually, the SMTP connection
will time out and you will see a message in the Mj2 log like 

  Could not deliver, even in emergency mode!

and in the sendmail log, look for this:
 
  unexpected close

In Steve Eckert's case, one address for which sendmail stalled during
a DNS lookup was sufficient to keep anyone from receiving the mail.
By setting maxaddrs=1 in delivery_rules for the list, and watching
sendmail's log, you should be able to locate the bad address.

Do you get those log messages, or have I misjudged the situation?

> 
> its a pleasure, especially once I get through these minor bugs ... :)
> 
> 

I expect that after seeing the same problems for three different
people, the developers might actually fix them.  :-)

Michael

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Michael Yount wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 08:17:29PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > 
> > %cd /usr/local/majordomo/lists/QUEUE/10/hub.org/10/list/
> > %ls -lt
> > total 0
> > -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 19:10 TAA-92677-pgsql-ports
> > -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:58 SAA-78047-pgsql-general
> > -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:56 SAA-77709-pgsql-hackers
> > -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:04 SAA-69326-pgsql-hackers
> > -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:00 SAA-68677-pgsql-general
> > -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 17:52 RAA-67353-pgsql-hackers
> > -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 17:41 RAA-65825-pgsql-general
> > -rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 16:25 QAA-50768-pgsql-core
> 
> Okay, I see...the queue runner (mj_queuerun) views a zero-length file as being
> locked by mj_enqueue.  This is a separate problem from mail being
> archived and not delivered.  The zero-length files should not keep
> any of the other mail from being processed.
> 
> > 
> > Each one appears to not get processed until three hours passes ...
> > 
> 
> Does each of these zero-length files eventually disappear?

Actually, didnt' clue into the original 'zero length' status, but no, they
are still all there:

%ls -lt
total 0
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 19:10 TAA-92677-pgsql-ports
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:58 SAA-78047-pgsql-general
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:56 SAA-77709-pgsql-hackers
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:04 SAA-69326-pgsql-hackers
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 18:00 SAA-68677-pgsql-general
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 17:52 RAA-67353-pgsql-hackers
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 17:41 RAA-65825-pgsql-general
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  0 Mar 13 16:25 QAA-50768-pgsql-core

> That and the log you sent remind me of the delivery_rules problem
> at least a couple of people have had with sendmail.  The mj_queuerun
> processes should only be around for a minute or two unless something
> is stalled during the delivery process.  When that happens, the 
> latest log entries are truncated.  Eventually, the SMTP connection
> will time out and you will see a message in the Mj2 log like 
> 
>   Could not deliver, even in emergency mode!
> 
> and in the sendmail log, look for this:
>  
>   unexpected close
> 
> In Steve Eckert's case, one address for which sendmail stalled during
> a DNS lookup was sufficient to keep anyone from receiving the mail.
> By setting maxaddrs=1 in delivery_rules for the list, and watching
> sendmail's log, you should be able to locate the bad address.
> 
> Do you get those log messages, or have I misjudged the situation?

Appears so:

Mar 13 19:40:34 hub sendmail[98125]: TAA98125: collect: unexpected close on connection from localhost, sender=<pgsql-interfaces-owner+M1@hub.org>: Undefined error: 0
Mar 13 21:33:59 hub sendmail[20468]: VAA20468: collect: unexpected close on connection from hub.org, sender=<pgsql-committers-owner+M24@hub.org>: Undefined error: 0
Mar 13 21:34:01 hub sendmail[20477]: VAA20477: collect: unexpected close on connection from hub.org, sender=<pgsql-committers-owner+M23@hub.org>: Undefined error: 0
Mar 13 21:39:23 hub sendmail[21495]: VAA21495: collect: unexpected close on connection from localhost, sender=<pgsql-committers-owner+M23@hub.org>: Undefined error: 0
Mar 13 21:39:26 hub sendmail[21489]: VAA21489: collect: unexpected close on connection from localhost, sender=<pgsql-committers-owner+M24@hub.org>: Undefined error: 0

But, all the lists have the exact same delivery_rules set ... ahhhhh, just
checked, and in the past ~24hrs, one of the lists that has been getting
'regular traffic' has even had oen of these 'unexpected close' ...

So, is it the host that I'm trying to delivery *through* that is causing
the problem, or is it the user I'm trying to get it to?  And, isn't this a
major problem?  ~5 lists that I've got running, where their delivery_rules
points at a machine sitting beside the one that processes the incoming,
has yet to see a single message sent out successfully ... even if I have
the delivery_rules set to the local machine :(

> > its a pleasure, especially once I get through these minor bugs ... :)
> > 
> > 
> I expect that after seeing the same problems for three different
> people, the developers might actually fix them.  :-)

IMHO, if I wasn't willing to work at debugging problems, I shouldn't be
using a CVS version ... but, I unfortunately dn't have the time to get my
head into the code, so rely on others to direct me ...

Thanks for the help, hopefully we can get this resolved ASAP ...



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Everytime I send mail to my list I get this error:

553 mail.linuxrealm.org. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
554 <youthbeat-approval@linuxrealm.org>... Local configuration error

I just set my mx for my domain in named to mail.linuxrealm.org and set the IP for mail.linuxrealm.org to my local IP.

linuxrealm.org is a local domain right now.

How can I fix this problem?

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Gary Best wrote:
> 
> I have read the book 'MAILING LISTS' and have read through the faq's  on
> Majordomo and I have been unable to hide a list from showing on my original
> signup screen.  I have tried to hide it by using both the advertise and
> noadvertise flags in the config file for that list and it still shows.  I
> have put the '/./' and '/.*/' entries into noadvertise and the list still
> shows.  Any suggestions on where I am having a problem?


Try it from an email address that is NOT subscribed to the list. Anyone 
subscribed to the list who does a 'lists' command will get a list of open 
lists plus those lists the originating address is subscribed to.

Jay O'Brien

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 :}
 :}But, all the lists have the exact same delivery_rules set ... ahhhhh, just
 :}checked, and in the past ~24hrs, one of the lists that has been getting
 :}'regular traffic' has even had oen of these 'unexpected close' ...
 :}
 :}So, is it the host that I'm trying to delivery *through* that is causing
 :}the problem, or is it the user I'm trying to get it to?  And, isn't this a
 :}major problem?  ~5 lists that I've got running, where their delivery_rules
 :}points at a machine sitting beside the one that processes the incoming,
 :}has yet to see a single message sent out successfully ... even if I have
 :}the delivery_rules set to the local machine :(

Since delivery varies from list to list, it is probably due to the 
time taken by sendmail for recipient checks and so forth.  From a
first glance at the sendmail source, the "unexpected close" occurs
in collect(), which stores the message into a temporary file during
the DATA part of the SMTP conversation.  Mj2 is timing out and closing
the connection.  It then waits and retries up to 25 times.

What I would try at this point is to increase the timeout in the delivery
rules and set bounce_probe_frequency = 1 to see if any mail at all
can be sent to pgsql-interfaces.  bounce_probe_frequency = 1 will
cause the message to be delivered to one person at a time, and will
include a form of the recipient's address in the MAIL FROM:
address (envelope sender), so your sendmail logs should be very informative about
who's seeing the mail and who isn't. 

Michael

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Bill Connelly proclaimed:
> How can I set up my already correctly-installed and functional Majordomo
> list in such a way as to archive individual postings to it and to make these
> searchable on the web by keywords in subjects or text?  


http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo/#wilma


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Okay...I *swear* I set this up already, and now its gone:

configset pgsql-interfaces delivery_rules << ENDAAB
ENDAAB

Woah, there is *definitely* something wrong here ... I *know* taht I built
delivery_rules for:

configset pgsql-hackers delivery_rules << ENDAAC
ENDAAC

In fact, looking at my <list>/_config files, it looks like alot of them
were wiped out, my 'subject_prefix's are gone for some lists, while others
still have them set ...

I'm rebuilidng all my configu files now, and will test things out ... but
I suspect that I shuldn't have my _config files just "disappear"?

Out of 15 lists that I configured, all with subject_prefix, I have three
that still ahve it set:

pgsql-admin/_config:                     'subject_prefix' => '[ADMIN]',
pgsql-bugs/_config:                     'subject_prefix' => '[BUGS]',
pgsql-novice/_config:                     'subject_prefix' => '[NOVICE]',

The rest pretty much have:

%cat pgsql-core/_config
$VAR1 = {
          'raw' => {
                     'sequence_number' => 3
                   },
          'parsed' => {}
        };


Left to them ... this definitely can't be good :(

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Michael Yount wrote:

>  :}
>  :}But, all the lists have the exact same delivery_rules set ... ahhhhh, just
>  :}checked, and in the past ~24hrs, one of the lists that has been getting
>  :}'regular traffic' has even had oen of these 'unexpected close' ...
>  :}
>  :}So, is it the host that I'm trying to delivery *through* that is causing
>  :}the problem, or is it the user I'm trying to get it to?  And, isn't this a
>  :}major problem?  ~5 lists that I've got running, where their delivery_rules
>  :}points at a machine sitting beside the one that processes the incoming,
>  :}has yet to see a single message sent out successfully ... even if I have
>  :}the delivery_rules set to the local machine :(
> 
> Since delivery varies from list to list, it is probably due to the 
> time taken by sendmail for recipient checks and so forth.  From a
> first glance at the sendmail source, the "unexpected close" occurs
> in collect(), which stores the message into a temporary file during
> the DATA part of the SMTP conversation.  Mj2 is timing out and closing
> the connection.  It then waits and retries up to 25 times.
> 
> What I would try at this point is to increase the timeout in the delivery
> rules and set bounce_probe_frequency = 1 to see if any mail at all
> can be sent to pgsql-interfaces.  bounce_probe_frequency = 1 will
> cause the message to be delivered to one person at a time, and will
> include a form of the recipient's address in the MAIL FROM:
> address (envelope sender), so your sendmail logs should be very informative about
> who's seeing the mail and who isn't. 
> 
> Michael
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
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I'm running the newest version from CVS:

hub# cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.hpc.uh.edu:/home/cvs/majordomo update -APd majordomo
cvs server: Updating majordomo
cvs server: Updating majordomo/bin
cvs server: Updating majordomo/files
cvs server: Updating majordomo/files/de
cvs server: Updating majordomo/files/de/help
cvs server: Updating majordomo/files/de/informal
cvs server: Updating majordomo/files/de/informal/help
cvs server: Updating majordomo/files/en
cvs server: Updating majordomo/files/en/config
cvs server: Updating majordomo/files/en/help
cvs server: Updating majordomo/lib
cvs server: Updating majordomo/lib/Bf
cvs server: Updating majordomo/lib/Mj
cvs server: Updating majordomo/lib/Mj/Deliver
cvs server: Updating majordomo/lib/Mj/Digest
cvs server: Updating majordomo/lib/Mj/SimpleDB
cvs server: Updating majordomo/misc
cvs server: Updating majordomo/setup
cvs server: Updating majordomo/t



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 :}
 :}In fact, looking at my <list>/_config files, it looks like alot of them
 :}were wiped out, my 'subject_prefix's are gone for some lists, while others
 :}still have them set ...
 :}
 :}I'm rebuilidng all my configu files now, and will test things out ... but
 :}I suspect that I shuldn't have my _config files just "disappear"?
 :}

No, that's an unpleasant surprise.  Have any messages been distributed
on the lists that weren't changed?

What does a grep for configset in GLOBAL/_log show?

Michael


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I just finished the install and here is the strangeness I am seeing...

I installed with almost no problems and I set my path to include bin/ so I
could see mj_shell but mj_shell was not set as executable after the
initial install and setting it to +x doesn't yield any results....I do
mj_shell -d domain.org -p domain.pasword and nothing happens.

Any suggestions?

this is RedHat 6.1, Sendmail 8.9.x, and 0.1199906210 version of Mj2

Thanx

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Is there anyway to disable digest mode for a certain list so no one can
join the digest version?

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For some reason, I'm getting mail from Majordomo with the wrong
domain in the "From" line header.  In the majordomo.cf file, I've set
the following:

    $whereami = "lists.cascorp.com";
    $whoami = "Majordomo\@$whereami";
    $whoami_owner = "Majordomo-Owner\@$whereami";

But when I send a "lists" command to majordomo, it comes back like this:

    From: Majordomo@cascorp.com
    Subject: Majordomo results
    To: slarsen@cascorp.com
    Reply-To: Majordomo@cascorp.com

How do I get majordomo to set the domain correctly on
these administrative emails?

Sys config:
    Majordomo: 1.94.5
    Sendmail 8.9.3
    RH Linux 6.1 (kernel 2.2.14)


Scott Larsen
Network Architect
Cascade Corporation
slarsen@cascorp.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Equal goes it loose."
  - German president Heinrich Lubke, translating "It will
    soon begin" (Gleich geht es los) into English


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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:35:33 -0800
From: Dave Reinhardt <Dave@SeaPortNet.com>
Subject: install ??
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
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can you tell me how to get this info off the server?
# You need to have or create a user and group which majordomo will run as.
# Enter the numeric UID and GID (not their names!) here:
W_USER = 55515
W_GROUP = 55515
I have a user majordom that has email access and its dir is
/usr/local/majordomo
ther is also a dir usr/local/majordomo-1.94.4
there seems to be a user called daemon   Owner of many system processes  /
thanks dave

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To: Michael Yount <csf@moscow.com>
cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
Subject: Re: Majordomo2: archiving works, but delivery sporatic .. 
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Michael Yount wrote:

>  :}
>  :}In fact, looking at my <list>/_config files, it looks like alot of them
>  :}were wiped out, my 'subject_prefix's are gone for some lists, while others
>  :}still have them set ...
>  :}
>  :}I'm rebuilidng all my configu files now, and will test things out ... but
>  :}I suspect that I shuldn't have my _config files just "disappear"?
>  :}
> 
> No, that's an unpleasant surprise.  Have any messages been distributed
> on the lists that weren't changed?

not sure what you  mean .... the pgsql-hackers list appears to be
delivering fine before and after ... is that what you mean?

> What does a grep for configset in GLOBAL/_log show?

~165lines worth of information, but nothing that "looks bad" ... do you
want me to send you a copy of the file?

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:09:30 -0400 (AST)
From: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
To: "Majordomo user's mailing list" <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 2 (fwd)
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  This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
  Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info.

--VAD20190.953087525/hub.org
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Wow, has this every turned into an unexpected nightmare :(  

Is anyone actually running Majordomo2 under FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE?  

When I started looking at this error, I found *alot* of perl processes
owned by majordomo, but, it didn't appear to have an equal number of mj_*
processes to match ...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 2

The original message was received at Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:32:05 -0500 (EST)
from localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -o -d hub.org -l pgsql-sql"
    (expanded from: <pgsql-sql-owner+M13@hub.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Cannot fork
554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -o -d hub.org -l pgsql-sql"... unknown mailer error 2

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From majordomo-users-owner  Tue Mar 14 22:53:58 2000
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In-Reply-To: Message from The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org> 
   of "Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:42:04 -0400." <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003142140490.54719-100000@thelab.hub.org> 
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:41:12 -0800
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 :}> 
 :}> No, that's an unpleasant surprise.  Have any messages been distributed
 :}> on the lists that weren't changed?
 :}
 :}not sure what you  mean .... the pgsql-hackers list appears to be
 :}delivering fine before and after ... is that what you mean?

There were three lists with undamaged _config files.  I was wondering
if any messages had been distributed to any of those three lists.

 :}
 :}> What does a grep for configset in GLOBAL/_log show?
 :}
 :}~165lines worth of information, but nothing that "looks bad" ... do you
 :}want me to send you a copy of the file?

At this point, I would need to see _log and all of mj_resend.debug.
Could you compress them and make them available via FTP?

Thanks,

Michael

 :}
 :}Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
 :}Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
 :}primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
 
 :}
 :}
 :}

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Message-ID: <38CF61A5.BC92B9A7@theschool.com.au>
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:10:46 +1000
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for some reason I can't seem to download majordomo properly.  After I
finish the downlaod and ftp to the server I try to open the file and it
gives an error msg saying file corrupt.

any ideas please

Sarah Farmer

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:07:17 -0800 (GMT)
From: Balgansuren <balgaa@publica.ub.mng.net>
To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
Subject: Where can I to get MJ2?
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Hi,

Where can I to get MJ2?

Balgaa


From majordomo-users-owner  Wed Mar 15 06:12:43 2000
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:15:06 -0400 (AST)
From: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
To: "Majordomo user's mailing list" <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Mj2: processing out of QUEUE/lists directory ...
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How does it determine while files to process?  At first I thought it was
in the order that they arrived, bug:

%ls -lt
total 7
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1590 Mar 15 08:58 IAA-82428-techtalk
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1033 Mar 15 08:00 IAA-70934-pgsql-interfaces
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  2231 Mar 15 05:16 FAA-41277-pgsql-general
%ls -lt
total 10
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  4483 Mar 15 09:11 JAA-84720-pgsql-docs
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1033 Mar 15 08:00 IAA-70934-pgsql-interfaces
-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  2231 Mar 15 05:16 FAA-41277-pgsql-general



Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


From majordomo-users-owner  Wed Mar 15 07:23:00 2000
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	(envelope-from scrappy@hub.org)
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:27:23 -0400 (AST)
From: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
To: "Majordomo user's mailing list" <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: MJ2: configedit listname digests results in 'ran out of data'...
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Trying to do a configedit and entering:

configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
digest    |        |   20K    |  40K     |  1d    |          |        |  MIME
ENDAAD

generates:

>>>> configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
>>>> Found tag ENDAAD.
**** Error parsing digests:
**** Error parsing table: Ran out of data while parsing table.

1 valid command processed; it failed.

=========

what am I missing?


Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


From majordomo-users-owner  Wed Mar 15 08:53:51 2000
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From: Seth Kurtzberg <seth@cql.com>
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To: Sarah Farmer <admin@theschool.com.au>
cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
Subject: Re: download
In-Reply-To: <38CF64FA.24772275@theschool.com.au>
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If you are using a browser to download, the browsers tend to mangle the
name.  Netscape, especially, is very bad at this.  It has a habit, for
example, of removing the ".gz" from a file, making you think that you have
an uncompressed tar file when in fact you have a compressed tar file.
Different versions of the various browsers mangle the names in different
ways.

So, to eliminate this as a possible cause of your problems, rename the
downloaded file to its original name, and try to proceed.  If that doesn't
help, send more specific questions and perhaps I or someone else will be
able to help.

Regards,

Seth Kurtzberg
Machine Independent Software
Cell (602) 478-5511
Fax: (480) 614-8909
email:  seth@cql.com
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Sarah Farmer wrote:

>  


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:15:12 -0800
From: Sudhakar Chandrasekharan <thaths@netscape.com>
Organization: I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, no one can prove a thing
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Bobby Wintemberg proclaimed:
> Is there anyway to disable digest mode for a certain list so no one can
> join the digest version?

Just don't create the digest list.

S.
-- 
         "Be patient, son.  A watched car never crashes."
                     -- Homer J. Simpson
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Subject: Re: MJ2: configedit listname digests results in 'ran out of data'... 
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   of "Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:27:23 -0400." <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003151126190.59762-100000@thelab.hub.org> 
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 :}
 :}Trying to do a configedit and entering:
 :}
 :}configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
 :}digest    |        |   20K    |  40K     |  1d    |          |        |  MIME
 :}ENDAAD
 :}
 :}generates:
 :}
 :}>>>> configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
 :}>>>> Found tag ENDAAD.
 :}**** Error parsing digests:
 :}**** Error parsing table: Ran out of data while parsing table.
 :}
 :}1 valid command processed; it failed.
 :}
 :}=========
 :}
 :}what am I missing?

Each digest needs a description, something like 

configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
digest    |        |   20K    |  40K     |  1d    |          |        |  MIME
PostgreSQL Developers' Digest
ENDAAD

The description appears in the digest's Subject: header.

Michael

 :}
 :}
 :}
 :}Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
 :}Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
 :}primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
 
 :}
 :}
 :}

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 :}
 :}How does it determine while files to process?  At first I thought it was
 :}in the order that they arrived, bug:
 :}
 :}%ls -lt
 :}total 7
 :}-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1590 Mar 15 08:58 IAA-82428-techtalk
 :}-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1033 Mar 15 08:00 IAA-70934-pgsql-interfaces
 :}-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  2231 Mar 15 05:16 FAA-41277-pgsql-general
 :}%ls -lt
 :}total 10
 :}-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  4483 Mar 15 09:11 JAA-84720-pgsql-docs
 :}-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  1033 Mar 15 08:00 IAA-70934-pgsql-interfaces
 :}-rwx------  1 majordom  daemon  2231 Mar 15 05:16 FAA-41277-pgsql-general
 :}
 :}
 :}
 :}Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
 :}Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
 :}primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org

The queue runners will open and attempt to lock the queue files
one at a time, in the order given by readdir().  If one queue runner
has locked a file, any additional queue runners will move on and 
attempt to process the next file.

It is possible to assign different priorities to different mailing lists
with the "-p" option to mj_enqueue in the aliases file. 

Michael


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Hello,

How can one block messages carrying certain words from being posted to the
list? For instance, if ones message has a word like "MUM" and I don't want
it to reach the list, how can I block or bounce it? Please help.

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The Hermit Hacker proclaimed:
> Trying to do a configedit and entering:
> 
> configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
> digest    |        |   20K    |  40K     |  1d    |          |        |  MIME
> ENDAAD
> 
> generates:
> 
> >>>> configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
> >>>> Found tag ENDAAD.
> **** Error parsing digests:
> **** Error parsing table: Ran out of data while parsing table.


Each digest is defined in two lines.  The first line is the one that you
have specified.  The second line should contain the description of the
digest.

Like so:

configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
digest    |        |   20K    |  40K     |  1d    |          |        | 
MIME
PostgreSQL Hackers Digest
ENDAAD

S.
-- 
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Sudhakar C13n http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave

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Hi,

    When you deliver a message to a mailing list and the message is over
the limit you configure, majordomo delivers a warning to the
administrator of that mailing list, how can I configure majordomo so
that it delivers that warning to the person that has delivered the
message?

                    Thanks.



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GREETINGS!

I'm somewhat of a newbie in using MajorCool (version 1.3.2).  I manage
over 30 lists on a server, and would like to change the passwords to all
of them simultaneously. Can this be done as a list admin or do I need
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Hello all,

I am an amatuer mailing list admin and people who are susbcribed to the
list are arguing whether to take the subject_prefix feature off or not.
Wanting to please all of them, how can I do this:

split LIST into two, say LIST and LIST-NO-TITLE, mail to LIST will go to
both.

Another question: Can majordomo do a  X-Mailing-List headers?

SYS INFO:
mailer: postfix ver. 19990627
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Thanks in advance!

Grace M. Garcia                                 



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Hi there,

After I installed majordomo, I created mail list accordingly.  Howerver,
nothing happed after I send a mail to that mail list.  The mail does not
come back, it means majordomo accepted the mail.  But not resend to the
list of users.  I ran the wrapper config-test.  It says OK.  Any thing I
can use to monitor the procedure once mail arrived? (verberos)





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Someone one one of my lists pointed out that if you send the command:

	which @

to MajorDomo 1.94.5, it will show ALL zubscribers to ALL lists, even if
the requestor is not zubscribed to ANY of the lists.  In other words, a
smart spammer could harvest all the addresses from the list manager on
your site.

Anyone know of a work-around for this problem?

- Jim

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Subject: Problem: digests not going out
From: "Malte Ness" <malte.ness@antwerpes.de>
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Hello everyone,

I got a problem with digests not going out. When I send the command
"mkdigest" to majordomo, the digest is created but I do not receive it.

Any ideas???

Thanks

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Simple way anybody can use:  Just edit the digest_list.config file and
under 'subscribe_policy' change it to say 'closed'.   If anyone tries to
subscribe to the digest list, the list maintainer will first get a
message asking for approval.  You could set your email filters to trash
those messages.


   Regards,

   Ron Fial

-----------------------------

At 06:43 PM 3/14/2000 -0500, you wrote: 

>>>>

<excerpt>Is there anyway to disable digest mode for a certain list so no
one can join the digest version? -- Bobby Wintemberg -
eagle3@linuxfan.com <<http://www.linuxrealm.org>http://www.linuxrealm.org
#linux on irc.starchat.net  

</excerpt>





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I've just installed version 1.94.5 on SunOS 5.7 on a Sparc 5 according
to the majordomo.ora instructions (I thought). When I run the last test in the
INSTALL file, 

      % touch /path/to/majordomo/lists/test
      % echo 'lists' | mail majordomo

I get mail with this error:

    MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

    majordomo@foo.bar.com: smith is not a valid return address.

where "smith" is me, configured in /etc/mail/aliases as 

    majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
    majordom: majordomo-owner
    owner-majordomo: majordomo-owner
    majordomo-owner: smith

"foo.bar.com" is the machine running Majordomo which runs as user majordom and
group majordom.

I'd be grateful for _pointers_ to solutions to similar problems.

Thanks.

-Bill McClung

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Majordomo won't send out the mail because of following message.  Does
any body know why?


The original message was received at Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:19:10 -0500
 from vivalasvegas.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.35]

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
 "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper resend -l class125 class125-list"
     (expanded from: <class125@instructor.physics.lsa.umich.edu>)

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
 554 "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper resend -l class125 class125-list"...
Service unavailable





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From: "Scott Catlett" <lcatlet@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
To: <Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM>
Subject: Problem with majordomo reply to address
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:13:02 -0600
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I have a problem with replying to messages that are auto sent from
majordomo.  The email address in the from line is misspelled, but when I
checked the majordomo.cf file in my installed directory, the address is
spelled correctly.  All the lists work fine, and there are no other
problems.  But, when you hit the reply button it replies to this misspelled
address.  I must have made a typo somewhere, but I can't figure out where.
Does anyone know how the program generates this field, and in what file I
would correct it.

version:	Majordomo 1.94.5
perl:		perl 5.00503
os:		suse linux 6.0
mailer:	sendmail

Thanks,
Scott
root@lists.kappasigma.tulane.edu



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Hi Folks,

Every once in a while, I have to send a particularly long command line to
majordomo.  If I'm not careful, my mailer wraps the line and turns it into
two commands.

Does the majordomo command syntax have a line continuation character to
get around this?

Thanks,

Miles Fidelman

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Hi,

I'm trying to get the rest of the archive process working. Thanks to
a couple of earlier responses, I have been able to get mail into
the archive. Now, I can't get majordomo to retrieve the names
of the archive files from the archive directory.

My archive directory is /usr/local/majordomo/archive and I
have put that into the $filedir variable in majordomo.cf. When
I send "index list" to majordomo, I get

>>>> index list
#### No files available for list.
>>>>
>>>> --

It doesn't seem to matter what I put in the $filedir variable.
I've tried several different variations, both fully qualified and
relative, but none have done the trick yet.

I have also tried adjusting the $filedir_suffix, which hasn't
made much of a difference, either. Right now, it is set to
"", which I am guessing, returns all of the files.

I'm missing something very basic. Any suggestions
(besides not using an archive :-) )?

Giff
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Hi,
I have two problems. The first is more important than the second.

1)
When sending an approved email to majordomo with an attachment, the email is -despite the
approval- bounced.

I have no idea what the reason ist. My Mail client is Mozilla 4.51 [en] . I am using one
of the latest majordomo version, I don't know what perl version is running on the machine.
Moderating works just fine, if there are no attachments.
Without the moderation option attachments work well.
What could be the reason for the problem?


2)
The other, less important question concerns bounced emails where the original text is not
properly quoted (e.g. German Umlaut as 'ü' becomes '=FC') because of a different character
set used. It seems to me this problems occurs when somebody uses MS Outlook (or Outlook
Express); using Netscape this problem doesn't seem to appear. Even if the character set is
quoted in mail both from MS und Netscpae in majordomo's mail (charset="iso-8859-1"). Maybe
you know a way 
What options are there to 

I am very gratefull for you help.
bye
Gunnar


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----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby Wintemberg <eagle3@linuxfan.com>
To: <majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 9:15 PM
Subject: MX Error?


> Everytime I send mail to my list I get this error:
>
> 553 mail.linuxrealm.org. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
> 554 <youthbeat-approval@linuxrealm.org>... Local configuration error
>
> I just set my mx for my domain in named to mail.linuxrealm.org and set the
IP for mail.linuxrealm.org to my local IP.
>
> linuxrealm.org is a local domain right now.
>
> How can I fix this problem?

Add the domain to /etc/sendmail.cw or /etc/mail/sendmail.cw
(the file should be in one of those two locations) and restart
sendmail. If you don't tell sendmail the domain is local, it will
try to deliver it elswhere on the net, find that the MX points
back to your computer, and get confused, thus giving you
the aforementioned error message.

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To: Jim Reisert <Jim_Reisert@mint-tech.com>
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Jim Reisert <Jim_Reisert@mint-tech.com> wrote on Tue, 14 Mar 2000:
> 	which @

...

> Anyone know of a work-around for this problem?

This was discussed in Nov 1999. Here's one message I saved from that
time:

Roger B.A. Klorese <rogerk@QueerNet.ORG> wrote on Fri, 05 Nov 1999:
> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, [iso-8859-1] Mikko Hänninen wrote:
> > So does anyone have a patch against majordomo 1.94.4 to stop this?
> > Or is the "right way" to just set no_advertise for all lists?
>
> Neither.  Set max_which_hits=1.
> --
> ROGER B.A. KLORESE     rogerk@QueerNet.ORG     urgent: rogerk-page@QueerNet.ORG
> PO Box 14309            San Francisco, CA 94114               +1 415 ALL-ARFF
> "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick

Hope this helps,
Mikko
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Use the \ character to deal with line continuation issues.

DC

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Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@civicnet.org> wrote:
>Every once in a while, I have to send a particularly long command line to
>majordomo.  If I'm not careful, my mailer wraps the line and turns it into
>two commands.
>
>Does the majordomo command syntax have a line continuation character to
>get around this?

A backslash at the end of command line indicates that the following
line is a continuation.  This lets you break commands over multiple
lines, as in:

    approve password subscribe your-list \
        some-address@some-domain
        
or

    auth \
    token \
    subscribe \
    some-list \
    your-address@your-domain
        
Alternatively, your mail client is very likely have some configuration
option that switches off line-wrap.  Your mailer claims to be PINE, and
if you're using a recent version of its default editor PICO you can use
the -w option to disable line wrap entirely, or go into the 'settings'
menu and crank up the value of the composer-wrap-column.

Mike.
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Giff Hammar <hammar@opticominc.com> wrote:
>My archive directory is /usr/local/majordomo/archive and I
>have put that into the $filedir variable in majordomo.cf. When

So the actual archive files for a list named 'name-of-your-list' would
be in the directory /usr/local/majordomo/archive/name-of-your-list,
right?

>I send "index list" to majordomo, I get
>
>>>>> index list
>#### No files available for list.
>>>>>
>>>>> --

That should be 'index <name-of-your-list>' where <name-of-your-list> is an
actual list name, not the word "list".

>It doesn't seem to matter what I put in the $filedir variable.
>I've tried several different variations, both fully qualified and
>relative, but none have done the trick yet.

Given your archive directory path, $filedir should be
"/usr/local/majordomo/archive".  If /usr/local/majordomo is Majordomo's
home directory you could define it as "$homedir/archive" instead.

>I have also tried adjusting the $filedir_suffix, which hasn't
>made much of a difference, either. Right now, it is set to
>"", which I am guessing, returns all of the files.

$filedir_suffix is just a string that gets glued onto the end of the
directory path Majordomo builds when it goes looking for archives.
When asked to deal with the archives for a particular list, Majordomo
will look in the directory "$filedir/$list$filedir_suffix" where $list
is the name of the list.  This is discussed somewhere near line 138 of
majordomo.cf, just above where $filedir and $filedir_suffix are
defined.  If your archive directory naming scheme is simply
/usr/local/majordomo/archive/name-of-your-list then you want to leave
$filedir_suffix empty.

Mike.
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At 03:44 PM 3/13/00 +0100, you wrote:

>1)
>When sending an approved email to majordomo with an attachment, the email 
>is -despite the
>approval- bounced.
>
>I have no idea what the reason ist. My Mail client is Mozilla 4.51 [en] . 
>I am using one
>of the latest majordomo version, I don't know what perl version is running 
>on the machine.
>Moderating works just fine, if there are no attachments.
>Without the moderation option attachments work well.
>What could be the reason for the problem?

When there's an attachment on a post, the post has extra headers and blank 
lines at the beginning to identify them.

So the "Approved:" line is NOT the first line of the post.

Don't have a way around it because I never needed it; I don't allow 
attachments.

Jeff

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"Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga" <kasopa.w.chisanga@coppernet.zm> wrote:
>How can one block messages carrying certain words from being posted to the
>list? For instance, if ones message has a word like "MUM" and I don't want
>it to reach the list, how can I block or bounce it? Please help.

Use the 'taboo_body' directive in the list's .config file.  Each line
in the taboo_body section contains a Perl regular expression that is
matched against the content of the message.

To bounce posts containing the character sequence "MUM" you'd use:

    taboo_body          <<  END
    /MUM/
    END
    
If you want to catch that sequence regardless of whether it's upper
or lower case, use:

    taboo_body          <<  END
    /mum/i
    END

where the 'i' at the end of the expression means "ignore case".

If you only want to match the complete word "MUM" (eg not MINIMUM or
MUMMY) then use:

    taboo_body          <<  END
    /\sMUM\s/
    END

where \s means 'any whitespace character'.

A good book on Perl will explain the intricacies of its regular
expression syntax.

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D'oh ... and I even read this before, and figured my way around the
problem *sigh*  Need more sleep *sigh*

Thanks ....

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote:

> The Hermit Hacker proclaimed:
> > Trying to do a configedit and entering:
> > 
> > configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
> > digest    |        |   20K    |  40K     |  1d    |          |        |  MIME
> > ENDAAD
> > 
> > generates:
> > 
> > >>>> configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
> > >>>> Found tag ENDAAD.
> > **** Error parsing digests:
> > **** Error parsing table: Ran out of data while parsing table.
> 
> 
> Each digest is defined in two lines.  The first line is the one that you
> have specified.  The second line should contain the description of the
> digest.
> 
> Like so:
> 
> configset pgsql-hackers digests << ENDAAD
> digest    |        |   20K    |  40K     |  1d    |          |        | 
> MIME
> PostgreSQL Hackers Digest
> ENDAAD
> 
> S.
> -- 
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>                      -- Homer J. Simpson
> Sudhakar C13n http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave
> 

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I had this problem about 6 months ago when someone used this tactic to
extract every single e-mail address from my Server.  My Solution was to
set up:

noadvertise         <<  END
/.*/
END  

On each of my lists.  The same proplem happens when you do a "which ."
Hope this helps !!

Kevin

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Jim Reisert wrote:

> Someone one one of my lists pointed out that if you send the command:
> 
> 	which @
> 
> to MajorDomo 1.94.5, it will show ALL zubscribers to ALL lists, even if
> the requestor is not zubscribed to ANY of the lists.  In other words, a
> smart spammer could harvest all the addresses from the list manager on
> your site.
> 
> Anyone know of a work-around for this problem?
> 
> - Jim
> 
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Do this:

taboo_body          <<  END
/bababooey/
/idiot/
/monkey/
/MUM/
END    


On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> How can one block messages carrying certain words from being posted to the
> list? For instance, if ones message has a word like "MUM" and I don't want
> it to reach the list, how can I block or bounce it? Please help.
> 
> Wilbroad.
> 
> 


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Bryan wins the prize for the simplest fix!

Thanks for the responses.

- Jim

Bryan Blackwell wrote:
> 
> I believe
> 
> which_access        =   closed
> 
> oughta do it.
> 
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Mike Oliver wrote:

> Giff Hammar <hammar@opticominc.com> wrote:
> >My archive directory is /usr/local/majordomo/archive and I
> >have put that into the $filedir variable in majordomo.cf. When
>
> So the actual archive files for a list named 'name-of-your-list' would
> be in the directory /usr/local/majordomo/archive/name-of-your-list,
> right?

Yes, that is correct.

>
>
> >I send "index list" to majordomo, I get
> >
> >>>>> index list
> >#### No files available for list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
>
> That should be 'index <name-of-your-list>' where <name-of-your-list> is an
> actual list name, not the word "list".

Yes, I used "index my-list-name"

>
>
> >It doesn't seem to matter what I put in the $filedir variable.
> >I've tried several different variations, both fully qualified and
> >relative, but none have done the trick yet.
>
> Given your archive directory path, $filedir should be
> "/usr/local/majordomo/archive".  If /usr/local/majordomo is Majordomo's
> home directory you could define it as "$homedir/archive" instead.

I tried both and neither seem to make a difference.

>
>
> >I have also tried adjusting the $filedir_suffix, which hasn't
> >made much of a difference, either. Right now, it is set to
> >"", which I am guessing, returns all of the files.
>
> $filedir_suffix is just a string that gets glued onto the end of the
> directory path Majordomo builds when it goes looking for archives.
> When asked to deal with the archives for a particular list, Majordomo
> will look in the directory "$filedir/$list$filedir_suffix" where $list
> is the name of the list.  This is discussed somewhere near line 138 of
> majordomo.cf, just above where $filedir and $filedir_suffix are
> defined.  If your archive directory naming scheme is simply
> /usr/local/majordomo/archive/name-of-your-list then you want to leave
> $filedir_suffix empty.

This is what I actually have in my majordomo.cf:

$filedir = "/usr/local/majordomo/archive";
$filedir_suffix = "";

>
>
> Mike.
> --
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Directory permissions are wide open and the archives
are world readable.

Giff
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Have a local user that wishes to edit their list config, so I pointed out
to her that she could do:

/usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_shell -p <passwd>

and then:

configedit <listname>

where passwd == master_passwd for that list ...

configshow works for her, but configedit produces:

Can't use an undefined value as a symbol reference at
blib/lib/Mj/TextOutput.pm (autosplit into
blib/lib/auto/Mj/TextOutput/configshow.al) line 310.

Known bug, or shouldn't she be able to do this?

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The "Brute Force" method...............  ;-)


On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Jim Reisert wrote:

> Bryan wins the prize for the simplest fix!
> 
> Thanks for the responses.
> 
> - Jim
> 
> Bryan Blackwell wrote:
> > 
> > I believe
> > 
> > which_access        =   closed
> > 
> > oughta do it.
> > 
> > --
> > Bryan Blackwell bryan@skiblack.com
> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/9164
> >   '61 Corvair Lakewood, '65 Corvair Corsa, '66 E-type, '69 Road Runner,
> >   '76 Ford F-250, '88 Acura Integra, '89 Camaro RS, '99 Neon R/T
> > "Why do something if you're not going to obsess about it?"
> 
> -- 
> Jim Reisert                        Voice:    781-685-3928
> Mint Technology                    Fax:      781-685-3801
> 77 South Bedford Street            Email:    jim_reisert@mint-tech.com
> Burlington, MA  01803              WWW:      http://www.mint-tech.com/
> 


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At 10:40 AM 3/14/00 -0500, Jim Reisert wrote:
>	which @
>to MajorDomo 1.94.5, it will show ALL zubscribers to ALL lists, even if
>the requestor is not zubscribed to ANY of the lists

In Mj2, you can do this to COMPLETELY disable the which
command (except for the list owner when using the password):

configset ZZZZZ access_rules << ENDACCESSRULES
show,which,who
deny, replyfile=NoShowWhichWho
ALL
ENDACCESSRULES

The "access_rules" config variable allows sending a customized
reply to anyone who TRYS to use the command. In this case I've
created a text file called "NoShowWhichWho" that says basically
"go away". You can also choose to let the command work but only
when approved by the list owner, etc.

That may not help you with 1.94, but it may help motivate the
switch to Mj2 !

SRE

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>>>>> "R" == Raven  <Raven@Tribe.OnlineToday.Com> writes:

    R> And you ran newaliases (or whatever convention SunOS uses to update new
    R> entries to its aliases file)?

Yes.

When I run this test as root, I get

     root is not a valid return address

as well.

    R> At 03:59 PM 3/15/00 -0600, you wrote:
    >> I've just installed version 1.94.5 on SunOS 5.7 on a Sparc 5 according
    >> to the majordomo.ora instructions (I thought). When I run the last test
    >> in the INSTALL file,

    >> % touch /path/to/majordomo/lists/test 
    >> % echo 'lists' | mail majordomo

    >> I get mail with this error:

    >> MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

    >> majordomo@foo.bar.com: smith is not a valid return address.

    >> where "smith" is me, configured in /etc/mail/aliases as

    >> majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" 
    >> majordom: majordomo-owner
    >> owner-majordomo: majordomo-owner 
    >> majordomo-owner: smith

    >> "foo.bar.com" is the machine running Majordomo which runs as user
    >> majordom and group majordom.

    >> I'd be grateful for _pointers_ to solutions to similar problems.

    >> Thanks.

    >> -Bill McClung



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I am new to Majordomo and I was wondering if I can control who
subscribes to a mailing list.  I know you can put confirmation and
authorization on for subscriptions but what I would like to be able to
do is allow open subscriptions from anybody at one domain (lets say
anybody with an email address of <somebody>@company.com) but prevent
subscriptions from anybody else.

Basically I want to create internal mailing lists that cannot be
accessible to people outside of the company but I want the people inside
the company to have free reign to subscribe/unsubscribe/who/which/etc.

Any Ideas?

Thanks,
Yusuke Sato

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Before my disasterous attempt at upgrading RedHat Linux to 6.1, majordomo
1.94.3 was running fine. Back in the days of 1.94.3, whenever list mail is
bounced from a zubscriber, the bounced message back to the list owner
would include helpful information such as the email address it ws trying
to deliver the mail to, or at least the domain. Now that I'm running
1.94.5 what frequently happens is that I get a message such as the
following:


From MAILER-DAEMON@odaiko.ss.uci.edu Thu Mar 16 13:01:11 2000
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:49:32 -0800
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@odaiko.ss.uci.edu>
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The original message was received at Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:40:21 -0800
from majordomo@localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l
    (expanded from: sig-l-archive)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Receiving 4

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; odaiko.ss.uci.edu
Arrival-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:40:21 -0800

Final-Recipient: RFC822; sig-l-outgoing@odaiko.ss.uci.edu
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Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:49:32 -0800


    [ Part 3: "Included Message" ]

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:39:32 EST
From: LayspudInc@aol.com
Reply-To: sig-l@odaiko.ss.uci.edu
To: sig-l@odaiko.ss.uci.edu

[...snip text of original message...]



So I now know that at least one of my zubscribers has delivery problems,
but I have no way of finding out which one! Mail gets out to the other
zubscribers just fine.

Any ideas why the delivery information is no longer being included in the
bounced mail?

Julian


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Scott Larsen wrote:

>     $whereami = "lists.cascorp.com";

In your list.config file, there is a line called "Reply-to".  Set that
to what you want the Reply-To to be.

Oh wait, you said Majordomo.  Scratch that, I don't know exactly how to
do that.  I know that in our setup, we specifically WANT it to show only
the domain, not the actual machine it's running on.  What's your
reasoning for setting it this way?
-- 
Blue skies...		Cannonball  	http://www.mrball.net
*    One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them       * 
* One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them *
				Sauron


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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:28:07 +1030 (CST)
From: Michael Talbot-Wilson <mtw@birdseye.view.net.au>
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Subject: MajorCool: 'advertise'?
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Dear list members,

I installed MajorCool on Linux 2.3.29 / Perl 5.004_04 a couple of
days ago, but have been pretty unsuccessful getting any sense out
of it.

The problem is that only one of the lists appears with Browse,
whether I try to list all or those I am subscribed to.  When I
type in the name of one of those that doesn't appear I get
nothing.

There is nothing particular that I can see about the one that
appears, e.g. it is not first in a directory listing.

The response also says:

	1 matched of 1 total lists.  Some lists
	may not be "advertised" for your viewing.

I don't know what this means.  There is an "advertise" here
document in the config files of all lists.  They are all the same.
When I changed this by inserting "('.*')" (presumably the form of
a Perl array of regexps with one element) it made no difference.

I mean I did that in the config file of one of the lists that
don't appear in the browse, and it still didn't appear.  The
list files all have the same permissions.

I know others must have MajorCool working, but I'm about to give
up on it.  Hints, anyone?  Is there a better place to ask?

Regards,
Michael Talbot-Wilson



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Check out the `masquerade_as()` macro in sendmail.  Of course, I'm assuming
you're running sendmail.

> Scott Larsen wrote:
> 
>> $whereami = "lists.cascorp.com";
> 
> In your list.config file, there is a line called "Reply-to".  Set that
> to what you want the Reply-To to be.
> 
> Oh wait, you said Majordomo.  Scratch that, I don't know exactly how to
> do that.  I know that in our setup, we specifically WANT it to show only
> the domain, not the actual machine it's running on.  What's your
> reasoning for setting it this way?
> -- 
> Blue skies...  Cannonball   http://www.mrball.net
> *    One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them       *
> * One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them *
> Sauron
> 
> 


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From: Carolyn Baird <cas@boronia.apana.org.au>
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Someone is using Majordomo to mailbomb the postmaster of another
organisation by sending help requests at 5 minute intervals with a forged
From: line.  Is there any easy way to capture one of these messages so the
headers can be inspected or to dump those messages straight in the bit
bucket?

Carolyn



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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:16:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Ken Scott <riddler@dreamhaven.net>
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Majordomo with Red Hat Linux
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I've installed majordomo under Red Hat Linux v6.1 (using
majordomo-1.94.5-2.rpm) and am confused about a couple of
things.  Hopefully someone with the same or similar setup can help.

First, how do I go about getting the majordomo username to appear in the
"From" field (and thus the "Reply-to" field) of messages.  It's sending
mail out, but the username isn't where it should be.  Also, does the
version of sendmail that comes with Red Hat 6.1 support the referencing of
the majordomo.aliases file in sendmail.cf, as described in majordomo's
INSTALL file, or should aliases go into /etc/aliases?  And finally (if I
ever get that far) what is the exact procedure for creating a new
list?  I've looked, and I'm sure it's there somewhere, but I just can't
find it.

Thanks very much in advance for any help.

--
Ken Scott,
riddler@dreamhaven.net



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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:48:46 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joe R. Jah" <jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us>
To: Carolyn Baird <cas@boronia.apana.org.au>
cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
Subject: Re: Majordomo used for mailbombing.
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Carolyn Baird wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:23:16 +1100
> From: Carolyn Baird <cas@boronia.apana.org.au>
> To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
> Subject: Majordomo used for mailbombing.
> 
> Someone is using Majordomo to mailbomb the postmaster of another
> organisation by sending help requests at 5 minute intervals with a forged
> From: line.  Is there any easy way to capture one of these messages so the
> headers can be inspected or to dump those messages straight in the bit
> bucket?
> 
> Carolyn

You should log messages to Majordomo.  Try something like:

majordomo:       "/path/to/majordomo/Message-Log",
                "|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"

in your aliases file, but be warned that it becomes very large in a short
time, depending on your Majordomo activities.  So, you need to clean it up
periodically.

Regards,

Joe
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From: Carolyn Baird <cas@boronia.apana.org.au>
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Thanks Joe!  I had a slight problem with the sendmail permissions at first
but finally managed to get it to work and retrieved the information I
needed.  Turned out it was a mailloop rather than a mailbomb attempt but at
least now I know how to fix it. :-)

Carolyn

At 11:48 AM -0800 19/3/2000, Joe R. Jah wrote:
>You should log messages to Majordomo.  Try something like:
>
>majordomo:       "/path/to/majordomo/Message-Log",
>                "|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
>
>in your aliases file, but be warned that it becomes very large in a short
>time, depending on your Majordomo activities.  So, you need to clean it up
>periodically.
>
>Regards,
>
>Joe
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Carolyn Baird wrote:

> Someone is using Majordomo to mailbomb the postmaster of another
> organisation by sending help requests at 5 minute intervals with a forged
> From: line.  Is there any easy way to capture one of these messages so the
> headers can be inspected or to dump those messages straight in the bit
> bucket?

It is best to do this with the MTA and not inside majordomo.  Presumably
from MTA logs you should be able to identify the host that the mail is
coming in from and simply block all email from that host.

To capture some messages, just add a real email address to the aliase for
majordomo

Please note, it might be an "innocent" autorepsonder mail loop instead of
being malicious, but either way you do need to stop it.

-j

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At 11:48 AM +0000 20/3/2000, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
>It is best to do this with the MTA and not inside majordomo.  Presumably
>from MTA logs you should be able to identify the host that the mail is
>coming in from and simply block all email from that host.

That would have been my last resort.

>To capture some messages, just add a real email address to the aliase for
>majordomo

This is how I stopped it. (I don't know why I didn't think of doing that
sooner....just too tired at 2am I guess. :-))

>Please note, it might be an "innocent" autorepsonder mail loop instead of
>being malicious, but either way you do need to stop it.

Which is what it turned out to be fortunately and all is OK again now.

Thanks Jeffrey!

Carolyn



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Hello:

I run several lists here and have just had someone report to me that
the "intro" seems broken....I think I have it set right (open) but the
results you see are what they get as a response any ideas???

Please excuse the formatting....


        # intro_access         [enum] (list) <majordomo>
/open;closed;list/
        # One of three values: open, list, closed. Open allows anyone
        # access to this command and closed completely disables the
command
        # for everyone. List allows only list members access, or if
        # restrict_post is defined, only the addresses in those files
are
        # allowed access.
intro_access        =   open             
>--
>
>>>>> get muffin intro
>**** Command disabled.
>>>>> ---
>END OF COMMANDS

George, MR. Tibbs & The Beast Kasica
Waukesha, WI USA
georgek@netwrx1.com
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What is with this "duplicate message-id" thing?  I get an awful lot of
them, where I don't recall getting any under the old Majordomo ...

Thanks...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
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Hi,
 May I know how to run a stress test on the postgresql
on freebsd and MS-SQL7 on WinNT.
Any software (preferbably free one) can does above
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I need data/statistic for comparison purposes.
Thanks....

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What is the correct syntax in my list.config file to get a
moderated list to function properly?  Currently it's bouncing.
I want it to send it to the list owner for approval.

Thanks,

Wade

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 :}
 :}What is with this "duplicate message-id" thing?  I get an awful lot of
 :}them, where I don't recall getting any under the old Majordomo ...

It's a feature, designed to prevent duplicates from being distributed
on a mailing list.  It's also a side-effect of the version of 
Mj2 you're using, and the problems that we worked through last week.

Here's how the implementation is evolving:

In last year's version, if an SMTP session stalled during RCPT TO,
and eventually failed, someone would have to retransmit the message,
since messages are removed from the Mj2 queue before transmission.

In the current version, if an SMTP session fails, a second queue
runner will process the message and mark it as a duplicate.  It
is then up to the list owners to decide whether or not to attempt
to distribute it again.  (Some subscribers might receive two 
copies.)

The next step, currently being tested, is to defer delivery to
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have been sent a copy of the message.  Subscribers whose addresses
stall during RCPT TO a second time simply won't receive the message.
This should make delivery much faster, and keep the lifetime of 
the queue runners relatively short.

Michael


 :}
 :}Thanks...
 :}
 :}Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
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 :}primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
 

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What is the correct syntax in my list.config file to get a
moderated list to function properly?  Currently it's bouncing.
I want it to send it to the list owner for approval.

Thanks,

Wade

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To: Michael Yount <csf@moscow.com>
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Michael Yount wrote:

>  :}
>  :}What is with this "duplicate message-id" thing?  I get an awful lot of
>  :}them, where I don't recall getting any under the old Majordomo ...
> 
> It's a feature, designed to prevent duplicates from being distributed
> on a mailing list.  It's also a side-effect of the version of 
> Mj2 you're using, and the problems that we worked through last week.
> 
> Here's how the implementation is evolving:
> 
> In last year's version, if an SMTP session stalled during RCPT TO,
> and eventually failed, someone would have to retransmit the message,
> since messages are removed from the Mj2 queue before transmission.
> 
> In the current version, if an SMTP session fails, a second queue
> runner will process the message and mark it as a duplicate.  It
> is then up to the list owners to decide whether or not to attempt
> to distribute it again.  (Some subscribers might receive two 
> copies.)
> 
> The next step, currently being tested, is to defer delivery to
> any addresses that fail during RCPT TO until all other subscribers
> have been sent a copy of the message.  Subscribers whose addresses
> stall during RCPT TO a second time simply won't receive the message.
> This should make delivery much faster, and keep the lifetime of 
> the queue runners relatively short.

Is this that patch you sent me on Friday?  I havn't had a chance to
install it yet, mind you ...

> 
> Michael
> 
> 
>  :}
>  :}Thanks...
>  :}
>  :}Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
>  :}Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
>  :}primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
>  
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:26:09 -0800
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 :}
 :}Is this that patch you sent me on Friday?  I havn't had a chance to
 :}install it yet, mind you ...

No, that was just a "crisis mode" hack, in case the other options
didn't work.  I reconsidered it over the weekend.

Here's a summary for those of you who missed part of the conversation:

Mj2's delivery modules use timeouts during SMTP conversations.
The length of timeout can be configured on a per-list and
even a per-host basis.  The default timeout is 1 minute, but
when Mj2 waits for replies to RCPT TO commands, it waits
5 times as long, 5 minutes for each address (the framework
exists, but Mj2 does not support pipelining yet).  Sendmail,
in comparison, will wait up to 1 hour for a response to 
a RCPT TO command.

Sendmail does a DNS lookup to find the canonical host
for each recipient.  If this, or another part of the SMTP
conversation, times out, Mj2 sleeps for a few seconds, 
and tries again.  A backup SMTP server will be used
if this fails three times.  If it fails 25 times (taking between
two and three hours), the Mj2 queue runner aborts, leaving the 
message in the Mj2 queue.  The next queue runner to process it
will mark it as a duplicate.

Increasing the timeout to 5 minutes worked in Marc's case.

Clearly, delaying delivery of a message to a mailing list for 2 or 3 
hours (or perhaps permanently) because of one address with a bad
DNS server is a bad situation.  Deferring such an address until
the end of the delivery cycle is one solution; other ideas are
welcome.

Michael

 :}
 :}Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
 :}Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
 :}primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
 

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To: Michael Yount <csf@moscow.com>
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Michael Yount wrote:

>  :}
>  :}Is this that patch you sent me on Friday?  I havn't had a chance to
>  :}install it yet, mind you ...
> 
> No, that was just a "crisis mode" hack, in case the other options
> didn't work.  I reconsidered it over the weekend.
> 
> Here's a summary for those of you who missed part of the conversation:
> 
> Mj2's delivery modules use timeouts during SMTP conversations.
> The length of timeout can be configured on a per-list and
> even a per-host basis.  The default timeout is 1 minute, but
> when Mj2 waits for replies to RCPT TO commands, it waits
> 5 times as long, 5 minutes for each address (the framework
> exists, but Mj2 does not support pipelining yet).  Sendmail,
> in comparison, will wait up to 1 hour for a response to 
> a RCPT TO command.
> 
> Sendmail does a DNS lookup to find the canonical host
> for each recipient.  If this, or another part of the SMTP
> conversation, times out, Mj2 sleeps for a few seconds, 
> and tries again.  A backup SMTP server will be used
> if this fails three times.  If it fails 25 times (taking between
> two and three hours), the Mj2 queue runner aborts, leaving the 
> message in the Mj2 queue.  The next queue runner to process it
> will mark it as a duplicate.
> 
> Increasing the timeout to 5 minutes worked in Marc's case.
> 
> Clearly, delaying delivery of a message to a mailing list for 2 or 3 
> hours (or perhaps permanently) because of one address with a bad
> DNS server is a bad situation.  Deferring such an address until
> the end of the delivery cycle is one solution; other ideas are
> welcome.

how long would it take to implement the 'queue at end' concept?



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The Hermit Hacker proclaimed:
> What is with this "duplicate message-id" thing?  I get an awful lot of
> them, where I don't recall getting any under the old Majordomo ...


Reply to the message and type the following lines:

reject
end


mj2 keeps a lot of the message IDs of the emails that it receives.  It
checks each incoming email's mesg id against this list that it has to see
if the same mail is received twice.  If it thinks that the same message is
coming in for posting it bounces the second to the -owner for verification.

S.
-- 
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote:

> The Hermit Hacker proclaimed:
> > What is with this "duplicate message-id" thing?  I get an awful lot of
> > them, where I don't recall getting any under the old Majordomo ...
> 
> 
> Reply to the message and type the following lines:
> 
> reject
> end

the problem with this, from what I understand from both Jason and Michael,
is that the question becomes "who doesn't/isn't receiving the email from
the list if I reject"?

 > 
> 
> mj2 keeps a lot of the message IDs of the emails that it receives.  It
> checks each incoming email's mesg id against this list that it has to see
> if the same mail is received twice.  If it thinks that the same message is
> coming in for posting it bounces the second to the -owner for verification.
> 
> S.
> -- 
> "Just go ahead and sue me! Everybody else does. The average settlement
>                  is $68,000." -- Homer J. Simpson
> Sudhakar C13n http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
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Hi,

 I have a question concerning digest/archive.  I get archives created
when the digest reachs its limit.  But, the digest/archive does not get mailed out.  When I force a new digest by hand using 'mkdigest' everything works.
I believe my problem is with my aliase string.  But, so far all of my testing
and research has had no results.  Can someone give me an idea on why I can not
get full digests to archive automatically and email out the digest.

Dave
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Is there a way (I'm sure there is, but I can't find it) to autmatically
allow some users to post to a moderated list without having to 
manually approve them?

Majordomo version 1.94.4.

Wade

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From: Kenny Shields <kenny@skirza.fsnet.co.uk>
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Please help I'm stumped I have a list called poker, it works just fine,
even archives o.k. However, I cannot get the digest to work. When I post
to the poker list I'm getting an error (even though the poker list
message goes out fine to subscribers and the message is included in the
poker archive)of :- 

MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_digest)!!
-l:No such file or directory

The work directory (/var/lib/majordomo/digests/poker-digest) is
correctly specified in the majordomo.cf file
The directory has the correct permissions (755)
The digest directory (var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker-digest)is also
present and has the same permissions (755)
the poker-digest list exists and is in the same directory as poker list 

It appears the poker-dgestify alias is unable to create or find the work
directory in which to store the individual postings, prior to creating a
digest at the appointed time.
I have included the relevant section of my alias file. Can someone
please look it over and find out where I have went wrong.

Sorry about the length of this post and thanks in advance for any help
you may be able to give me.

alias file section begins++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Majordomo-Owner: root@skirza.fsnet.co.uk
Majordomo: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"

poker: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l poker
poker-list",poker-archive,poker-digestify
poker-list: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker
owner-poker: kenny
poker-owner: kenny
poker-approval: kenny
poker-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l poker"
poker-archive: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f
/var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker.archive/poker -m -a"
poker-outgoing::include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker,poker-digestify
poker-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -c -l
poker-digest poker-digest-outgoing"
poker-digest: poker
poker-digest-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker-digest
poker-digest-list: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker-digest
owner-poker-digest: kenny
poker-digest-owner: kenny
owner-poker-digest-outgoing: kenny
poker-digest-approval: kenny@skirza.fsnet.co.uk
poker-digest-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
poker-digest"

Majordomo-Owner: root@skirza.fsnet.co.uk
Majordomo: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
poker: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l poker
poker-list",poker-archive,poker-digestify
poker-list: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker
owner-poker: kenny
poker-owner: kenny
poker-approval: kenny
poker-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l poker"
poker-archive: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f
/var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker.archive/poker -m -a"

poker-outgoing::include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker,poker-digestify
poker-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -c -l
poker-digest poker-digest-outgoing"
poker-digest: poker
poker-digest-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker-digest
poker-digest-list: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/poker-digest
owner-poker-digest: kenny@skirza.fsnet.co.uk
poker-digest-owner: kenny@skirza.fsnet.co.uk
owner-poker-digest-outgoing: kenny
poker-digest-approval: kenny
poker-digest-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
poker-digest"
alias sfile section ends++++++++++++++++++++++++++
--
Cheers,
Kenny Shields

Home: kenny@skirza.fsnet.co.uk
Work: kenny.shields@norscot.co.uk

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At 10:44 AM 3/20/00 -0800, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote:
>mj2 keeps a lot of the message IDs of the emails that it receives.  It
>checks each incoming email's mesg id against this list that it has to see
>if the same mail is received twice.  If it thinks that the same message is
>coming in for posting it bounces the second to the -owner for verification.

The tricky thing is that it ALSO keeps track of msgs that were NOT
distributed! If a non-subscriber tries to post, for example, and
the post bounces, subscribing and sending again will generate a
duplicate msg ID and the post will bounce again for a new reason.
I don't know of any way around this, except to contact the person
trying to post and asking them to add a new first line to the msg.

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From: Sudhakar Chandrasekharan <thaths@netscape.com>
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SRE proclaimed:
> The tricky thing is that it ALSO keeps track of msgs that were NOT
> distributed! 

Should it?  I mean shouldn't it just keep a list of IDs of the msgs that
have passed all checks?

> If a non-subscriber tries to post, for example, and
> the post bounces, subscribing and sending again will generate a
> duplicate msg ID and the post will bounce again for a new reason.

Wouldn't the MUA generate a new mesg id when the user posts again after
subscribing?

> I don't know of any way around this, except to contact the person
> trying to post and asking them to add a new first line to the msg.

When you maintain a list with tens of bounces happening everyday it becomes
tedious to keep track of what was rejected and why.

S.
-- 
"Just go ahead and sue me! Everybody else does. The average settlement
                 is $68,000." -- Homer J. Simpson
Sudhakar C13n http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave

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Hi,
I am new on this list and I would like to know if
anybody has ever done some testing campaign with
Majordomo, to see if everything is working
properly..basics command, digest, moderated
list...Something you can rely on...If yes let me know
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From: "Julian M. Frost" <jfrost@odaiko.ss.uci.edu>
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Bounced messages with from which user?
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I posted a message last week about a problem I'm having with majordomo
1.94.5. Someone has zubscribed to one of my lists and mail is bouncing for
some reason. The mail I get from majordomo contains the original message
sent to the list, but has no information whatsoever about the site to
which the original message was sent! Consequently, I cannot delete that
person from the zubscriber database.

Here's a typical example of the bounced messages I receive:



From MAILER-DAEMON@odaiko.ss.uci.edu Tue Mar 21 10:05:12 2000
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:18:37 -0800
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@odaiko.ss.uci.edu>
To: owner-sig-l@odaiko.ss.uci.edu
Subject: Returned mail: Can't create output: Permission denied

The original message was received at Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:38:00 -0800
from majordomo@localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l
    (expanded from: sig-l-archive)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Receiving 7

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; odaiko.ss.uci.edu
Arrival-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:38:00 -0800

Final-Recipient: RFC822; sig-l-outgoing@odaiko.ss.uci.edu
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822;
/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l@odaiko.ss.uci.edu
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:18:37 -0800




Note that about 90% of the bounced messages I get every day all say
"Permission denied" in the subject line. I assume that I must still have a
permission set incorrectly, yet changing permissions on
/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l seems to have no effect. Mail goes out
to al the members of the list just fine, as do digests.

I've gone through the FAQ, double- and tripple-checked the majordomo.cf
file, checked the installation instructions and the wrapper test completes
without errors or warnings.

Any help would be greatfully received.

Julian


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From: "Scott Robinson" <srobinson@ebsi.ca>
To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Lists
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:14:26 -0500
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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How do you make your own mailing list for majordomo?

Regards,

Scott Robinson
Technical Support
EBSI of Canada

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3013.2600" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How do you make your own mailing list =
for=20
majordomo?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Scott Robinson<BR>Technical =
Support<BR>EBSI of=20
Canada</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From majordomo-users-owner  Tue Mar 21 12:37:33 2000
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:35:24 +0100
From: Thomas Gramstad <thomasg@ifi.uio.no>
Reply-To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Taboo problem
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In an effort to block attachments and HTML from my mailing lists,
I have the following in the .configs:


taboo_body          <<  END
/^content-type:\s*application/msword\//i
/^content-type:\s*multipart\//i
/^content-type:\s*text/html\//i
/text/html/
/^content-transfer-encoding:\s*base64\//i
END
=20
        # taboo_headers        [regexp_array] (undef) <resend>
        # If any of the headers matches one of these regexps, then the
        # message will be bounced for review.
taboo_headers       <<  END
/^content-type:\s*application/msword\//i
/^content-type:\s*multipart\//i
/^content-type:\s*text/html\//i
/^content-transfer-encoding:\s*base64\//i
END

Yet, the HTML-coded message below got through.  What's wrong?
Why wasn't it stopped?  What can I do to stop it?

---

17-Mar-2000 11:09:16-GMT,2011;000000000001
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From: "Gunvor Vinje" <gun-vinj@frisurf.no>
To: "Fiawol" <FIAWOL@math.uio.no>
Subject: Idiotsp=F8rsm=E5l
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:15:07 +0100
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=3D_NextPart_000_00A6_01BF9002.0D639E70
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=3D"iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jeg fant nettopp min gamle Psion (Sienna) og batteriet har sluknet .=3D20
Er det noen som vet hvordan jeg skifter det og hva slags batteri den =3D
bruker ?

Gunvor

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	charset=3D"iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D
http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3D2>Jeg fant =
=3D
nettopp min gamle=3D20
Psion (Sienna) og batteriet har sluknet . </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3D2>Er det =
noen =3D
som vet hvordan=3D20
jeg skifter det og hva slags batteri den bruker ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"=3D20
size=3D3D2>Gunvor</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Thomas Gramstad
thomasg@ifi.uio.no

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How can I configure the TO: field so that it only shows the <list name> not
<list name>@<machine.com>?


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To: Thomas Gramstad <thomasg@ifi.uio.no>
Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
Subject: Re: Taboo problem
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Thomas Gramstad <thomasg@ifi.uio.no> wrote on Tue, 21 Mar 2000:
> taboo_body          <<  END
> /^content-type:\s*application/msword\//i
> /^content-type:\s*multipart\//i
> /^content-type:\s*text/html\//i

You should have a \ before the / in "text/html" and "application/msword"
in the lines above.

> /text/html/

Same here, and you probably also want to include a "i" at the end for
case-insensitive matching.  (This is a somewhat liberal ban, since
the string text/html can appear in the bodies of non-HTML messages...)

The same kind of changes should be done to the taboo_headers section.

However...

> taboo_headers       <<  END

> /^content-type:\s*multipart\//i

> Yet, the HTML-coded message below got through.  What's wrong?
> Why wasn't it stopped?  What can I do to stop it?

The rule I've included above *should* have matched the message.  None of
the others did.  I can't offer an explanation as to why that rule didn't
stop the message though.


Regards,
Mikko
-- 
// Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu  //  wiz@iki.fi  //  http://www.iki.fi/wiz/
// The Corrs list maintainer  //   net.freak  //   DALnet IRC operator /
// Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs /
"Personally, I want my computer's memory to be more reliable than mine."  /.

From majordomo-users-owner  Tue Mar 21 15:39:02 2000
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:31:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Ken Scott <riddler@dreamhaven.net>
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: No Confirmation of List Subscription
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I've created a list (my first one), and it appears to be configured
properly.  It's set up as open+confirm, and all goes well until I send
back the confirmation message.  At that point, I never hear any more from
majordomo to let me know that I've been added.  I've tried "auth
xxxxxxxx subscribe listname user@host", as instructed by the email, and
just "auth xxxxxxxx subscribe listname", I get no response either way, and
there is nothing sent to majordomo-owner or put into the log file which
will give me any clue as to what's going on.  Any ideas?

Thanks.

--
Ken,
riddler@dreamhaven.net




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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:13:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Brett Charbeneau <brett@wrl.org>
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: restrict_post - bounce to sender?  
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003201013150.24022-100000@franklin.wrl.org>
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	Thanks to Perry M. Lynch and Jonathan Byrne who responded to my
question about setting up my Intranet-only lists so that only folks within
my domain could post to them. 
	They advised using the restrict_post directive - Bravo!
	Now, as grateful as I am, I have another question that I can't
seem to find the answer to in the usual places:

	Is there a way I can get the non-subscriber attempted posts
	bounced back to the sender with a "You're not a subscriber..." 
	message *as well* as my getting a copy as list-owner?

Brett Charbeneau, Network Administrator         Tel: 757-259-7750
Williamsburg Regional Library                   FAX: 757-259-7798
7770 Croaker Road                               brett@wrl.org        
Williamsburg, VA 23188-7003			http://www.wrl.org








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I am the administrator for a list server running Majordomo 1.94.5 on Mandrake
7.0 with Sendmail 8.9.3 and Perl 5.005_03.  One of my list owners is trying to
unsubscribe a user using the:
        "approve PASSWORD uns*bscribe stnap the@email.address"

When the list owner send this command, I get this email below from majordomo. 
I check the permissions and they seem to be right.  I have the lists directory
owned by majordom and group mail. Permissions are dwrxwrx---

In the list directory there is a file called stnap.new with a file size of 0
and permissions are dwrxwrx-r-

Does anyone know what is causing this?  Thanks.

The email message:

MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

chown(1001, 12, "/home/majordom/lists/stnap.new"): Operation not permitted




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[pardon if you've seen this before - but it looks like my first try didn't
get through]

Hi Folks,

Every once in a while, I have to send a particularly long command line to
majordomo.  If I'm not careful, my mailer wraps the line and turns it into
two commands.

Does the majordomo command syntax have a line continuation character to
get around this?

Thanks,

Miles Fidelman

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Thomas Gramstad proclaimed:
> In an effort to block attachments and HTML from my mailing lists,
> I have the following in the .configs:
> 
> taboo_body          <<  END
> /^content-type:\s*application/msword\//i
> /^content-type:\s*multipart\//i
> /^content-type:\s*text/html\//i
> /text/html/
> /^content-transfer-encoding:\s*base64\//i
> END



Shouldn't that read:

taboo_body          <<  END
/^content-type:\s*application\/msword\//i
/^content-type:\s*multipart\//i
/^content-type:\s*text\/html\//i
/text\/html/
/^content-transfer-encoding:\s*base64\//i
END


You've backslash escaped some of the slashes and left out some others.

S.
-- 
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                 is $68,000." -- Homer J. Simpson
Sudhakar C13n http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave

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From: Dan Liston <dan@sonny.org>
To: Scott Robinson <srobinson@ebsi.ca>
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Start by reading the FAQ, and if you have already extracted the tar, gz,
Z, or rpm, look in the majordomo-1.94.5 directory for files called NEWLIST
and list-owner-info.  The FAQ can also be found in the same directory.  If
not there, look one directory deeper in Doc.

Dan

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Scott Robinson wrote:

> How do you make your own mailing list for majordomo?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Robinson
> Technical Support
> EBSI of Canada
> 


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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Miles Fidelman wrote:

> Does the majordomo command syntax have a line continuation character to
> get around this?

yes, the backslash (\).

e.g.

approve passwd subscribe listname \
veryveryveryveryveryveryveryveryveryverylooonnnnnggggaddress

Len


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From: Dan Liston <dan@sonny.org>
To: Thomas Gramstad <thomasg@ifi.uio.no>
cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Taboo problem
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One of your body filters is malformed.  /text/html/
you will need to escape the middle "/".  The same is true for
application/msword.  This is just what pops out as obvious.

Also, I think only about 10 lines of text are checked against taboo_body
filters..

Dan


On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

> In an effort to block attachments and HTML from my mailing lists,
> I have the following in the .configs:
> 
> 
> taboo_body          <<  END
> /^content-type:\s*application/msword\//i
> /^content-type:\s*multipart\//i
> /^content-type:\s*text/html\//i
> /text/html/
> /^content-transfer-encoding:\s*base64\//i
> END
>  
>         # taboo_headers        [regexp_array] (undef) <resend>
>         # If any of the headers matches one of these regexps, then the
>         # message will be bounced for review.
> taboo_headers       <<  END
> /^content-type:\s*application/msword\//i
> /^content-type:\s*multipart\//i
> /^content-type:\s*text/html\//i
> /^content-transfer-encoding:\s*base64\//i
> END
> 
> Yet, the HTML-coded message below got through.  What's wrong?
> Why wasn't it stopped?  What can I do to stop it?
> 
> ---
> 
> 17-Mar-2000 11:09:16-GMT,2011;000000000001
> Return-Path: <owner-fiawol-liste@ifi.uio.no>
> Received: (from mdomo@localhost)
> 	by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) id LAA29622;
> 	Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:09:13 +0100 (MET)
> Message-ID: <00a901bf8ff9$ac445010$a2414382@gvstation>
> From: "Gunvor Vinje" <gun-vinj@frisurf.no>
> To: "Fiawol" <FIAWOL@math.uio.no>
> Subject: Idiotspørsmål
> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:15:07 +0100
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> 	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BF9002.0D639E70"
> X-Priority: 3
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600
> Sender: owner-fiawol-liste@ifi.uio.no
> Precedence: bulk
> 
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BF9002.0D639E70
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> 	charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> 
> Jeg fant nettopp min gamle Psion (Sienna) og batteriet har sluknet .=20
> Er det noen som vet hvordan jeg skifter det og hva slags batteri den =
> bruker ?
> 
> Gunvor
> 
> ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BF9002.0D639E70
> Content-Type: text/html;
> 	charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> 
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> <HTML><HEAD>
> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
> http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR>
> <STYLE></STYLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Jeg fant =
> nettopp min gamle=20
> Psion (Sienna) og batteriet har sluknet . </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Er det noen =
> som vet hvordan=20
> jeg skifter det og hva slags batteri den bruker ?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
> size=3D2>Gunvor</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> 
> ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BF9002.0D639E70--
> 
> ---
> 
> Thomas Gramstad
> thomasg@ifi.uio.no
> 


From majordomo-users-owner  Tue Mar 21 17:55:12 2000
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From: Dan Liston <dan@sonny.org>
To: "Julian M. Frost" <jfrost@odaiko.ss.uci.edu>
cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Bounced messages with from which user?
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I just joined this list and missed you message from last week.  

What OS, and MTA are you running?  If you have sendmail-8.9.3, do you have
the link to /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper in /etc/smrsh ?

What UID and GID does majordomo run as?  Does this UID.GID own the
majordomo-1.94.5 directory, and all files and subdirectories under it? The
only exception (depending on your OS) is wrapper which should be owned by
root.

What about permissions?  Are directories 755 and files 644 (generically)?

Have you examined /var/log/maillog (or its equivalent) and
/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/Log for clues about the bouncing address?
The error message you posted does not look like a user/subscriber bounce,
but a config error with your archive directory.

What do the alias file entries look like for sig-l, sig-l-outgoing, and
sig-l-archive?

This is how I imagine them to look;
sig-l:  "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l sig-l sig-l-outgoing",
sig-l-outgoing: :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l,
                sig-l-archive, sig-l-digestify
sig-l-archive:  "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper archive2.pl -f
		/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l -a -M"
sig-l-digestify: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C -l
		sig-l-digest sig-l-digest-outgoing"

Assuming you let lines wrap rather than using the multi-line method,
your $filedir = "/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive, and your 
$filedir_suffix = "" in the majordomo.cf file, it should be working
but could work better.  Keep in mind that the last portion of the 
fully qualified expansion of the sig-l-archive alias is a directory,
not a file.  Again, .../archive/sig-l is a directory.

Does the /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l directory exist?
Does the /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l file exist?
Which one are you playing with permissions on?

wrapper config-test does not test archive or digest info very well.

Dan

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Julian M. Frost wrote:

> I posted a message last week about a problem I'm having with majordomo
> 1.94.5. Someone has zubscribed to one of my lists and mail is bouncing for
> some reason. The mail I get from majordomo contains the original message
> sent to the list, but has no information whatsoever about the site to
> which the original message was sent! Consequently, I cannot delete that
> person from the zubscriber database.
> 
> Here's a typical example of the bounced messages I receive:
> 
> 
> 
> >From MAILER-DAEMON@odaiko.ss.uci.edu Tue Mar 21 10:05:12 2000
> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:18:37 -0800
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@odaiko.ss.uci.edu>
> To: owner-sig-l@odaiko.ss.uci.edu
> Subject: Returned mail: Can't create output: Permission denied
> 
> The original message was received at Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:38:00 -0800
> from majordomo@localhost
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l
>     (expanded from: sig-l-archive)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Receiving 7
> 
>     [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]
> 
> Reporting-MTA: dns; odaiko.ss.uci.edu
> Arrival-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:38:00 -0800
> 
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; sig-l-outgoing@odaiko.ss.uci.edu
> X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822;
> /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l@odaiko.ss.uci.edu
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:18:37 -0800
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Note that about 90% of the bounced messages I get every day all say
> "Permission denied" in the subject line. I assume that I must still have a
> permission set incorrectly, yet changing permissions on
> /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l seems to have no effect. Mail goes out
> to al the members of the list just fine, as do digests.
> 
> I've gone through the FAQ, double- and tripple-checked the majordomo.cf
> file, checked the installation instructions and the wrapper test completes
> without errors or warnings.
> 
> Any help would be greatfully received.
> 
> Julian
> 


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From: "Patrick Armour" <armour@patarmour.com>
To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Can't create output.
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:54:32 -0600
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	charset="iso-8859-1"
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The users are automatically added and the auto-subscription process works
great. But when the user tries to send a message to dumblist@domain.com it
returnes the following error message:

: The original message was received at Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:01:37 -0600
: from gomer.cjnetworks.com [206.52.159.10]
:
:   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
: include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/dumblist
:     (expanded from: <dumblist@domain.com>)
:
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: 550 include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/dumblist... Can't create output:
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From: Sudhakar Chandrasekharan <thaths@netscape.com>
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"Grace M. Garcia" proclaimed:
> I am an amatuer mailing list admin and people who are susbcribed to the
> list are arguing whether to take the subject_prefix feature off or not.

Ahhh.  Holy wars!  Got to love those.

> Wanting to please all of them, 

You might want to consider moving to mj2.  mj2 lets the user decide whether
they want to see subject_prefix.

> Another question: Can majordomo do a  X-Mailing-List headers?

message_headers     <<  END
X-Mailing-List: Foo Bar List
END

S.
-- 
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David Pang wrote:
> 
> Majordomo won't send out the mail because of following message.  Does
> any body know why?
> 
> The original message was received at Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:19:10 -0500
>  from vivalasvegas.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.35]
> 
>     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>  "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper resend -l class125 class125-list"
>      (expanded from: <class125@instructor.physics.lsa.umich.edu>)
> 
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>  sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
>  554 "|/usr/majordomo/wrapper resend -l class125 class125-list"...
> Service unavailable

Look at the FAQ for Linux users.  You are in the same boat.

Sendmail is configured to only allow piping of mail to programs it
has knowledge of via the smrsh tool.  You most likely need to;
'cd /etc/smrsh; ln -s /usr/majordomo/wrapper wrapper'

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For days now I have installed, uninstalled, cussed, and kicked trying to get
this to work the way I think it should. So it's probably something simple
that I haven't read yet...  Okay... When I try to subscribe from a different
account everything goes okay.  I send a message to majordomo@domain.com with
subscribe dumblist as the message.  The user gets added.  But when the user
tries to send a message to dumblist@domain.com it comes back with the
following message:

: The original message was received at Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:01:37 -0600
: from gomer.cjnetworks.com [206.52.159.10]
:
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: include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/dumblist
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:
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>>>>> "THH" == The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org> writes:

THH> how long would it take to implement the 'queue at end' concept?

Doing it right isn't easy.  The problem is that you have no idea why you
got a timeout.  Did the remote host just hang?  Did the network go down?
Or is it just a broken sendmail sitting forever waiting for a DNS response.
I don't think it's completely safe to assume that any timeout waiting for a
response to an RCPT TO: is due to sendmail brokenness, although it might be
"safe enough".   And once you've timed out, you can't have any useful
conversation with the SMTP server without disconnecting because it's not
listening to you.  So you have to 

Tech stuff, for mj2-dev folks:

Anyway, there shouldn't be any problem having
Mj::Deliver::Envelope::address return something more complex than a flag.
Most obvious would be the full batch minus the timing out address and the
timing out address itself.  The good portion of the batch could be rerun
and the bad address could be saved for later processing. 

You'd just have to fix up Mj::Deliver::Dest::sendenvelope to deal with it,
probably storing the "timed out batch" in the Mj::Deliver::Dest object
itself and sending it out in the flush() method.  You'd also have to fix up
the Envelope and QQEnevlope constructors.  (I have no idea how to adapt
them to handle delayed queueing, though.)

Now, the serious problem with this method:

I get the impression that the desire is to make sure these addresses get
their no matter how long it takes.  This is not really what you want to do,
because if your list has any traffic you will accumulate lots of Majordomos
trying to send mail to these addresses.  If you're using the load-limiting
queueing stuff, you will end up with your entire pool of queue runners
doing slow deliveries and a bunch of mail accumulating in the queue.

I would argue for having these addresses either ignored completely or dealt
with as of they were bouncing.  If you really want them to be delivered to,
don't use an MTA that has such stupid behavior when it encounters one.

 - J<


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Thomas,

> In an effort to block attachments and HTML from my mailing lists,
> I have the following in the .configs:
 
> taboo_body          <<  END
> /^content-type:\s*application/msword\//i
> /^content-type:\s*multipart\//i
> /^content-type:\s*text/html\//i
> /text/html/
> /^content-transfer-encoding:\s*base64\//i
> END

[snip]

> Yet, the HTML-coded message below got through.  What's wrong?
> Why wasn't it stopped?  What can I do to stop it?

I don't know much about how majordomo handles the taboo parameters
internally, but if, as I suspect, the code simply passes your 
parameter to the perl match subroutine (m//), then the slash
character in "text/html" probably needs to be escpaed, ie:

    /^content-type:\s*text\/html\//i

You may even be able to clean this up further by getting m// to
use something other than the slash character, ie:

    {^content-type:\s*text/html/}i

Hope this helps...

Regards,

Simon Taylor

Unisolve Pty Ltd  +613 9568 2005

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To: "Wyant, Matt" <mwyant@espeed.com>
Cc: "'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'" <Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM>
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On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 05:07:44PM -0500, Wyant, Matt wrote:
> How can I configure the TO: field so that it only shows the <list name> not
> <list name>@<machine.com>?

Please don't do that.  It will cause no end of confusion -- for you,
for the people on the list, and for anyone who ever has a list with
the same name anywhere else.

I've also got a sneaking hunch that this would make the "To:" line
non-compliant with the relevant RFCs.  (Something I'll check when
I'm a bit more awake.)

---Rsk
Rich Kulawiec
rsk@gsp.org

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Miles Fidelman wrote to majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM:

> [pardon if you've seen this before - but it looks like my first try
> didn't get through]

It got through the first time, and was answered.

> Every once in a while, I have to send a particularly long command line
> to majordomo.  If I'm not careful, my mailer wraps the line and turns
> it into two commands.
> Does the majordomo command syntax have a line continuation character
> to get around this?

first line of command \
second line of command

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Hi,

I discover a very good Majordomo competitor : Sympa 
(http://listes.cru.fr/sympa).
I was wondering if there is still good reasons to stay with Majordomo. 

Thanks in advance for your information.		Gildas.
-- 
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Hi,

I would like to use MAX_RCPTS_PER_MESSAGE parameter in sendmail 8.10
in order to limit spam. However, I have Majordomo mailing lists with
thousands of subscribers in a list. How does Majordomo distribute messages, is 
there any fix number recipient per SMTP session or can I fix it ?

Thanks in avdance for your help.			Gildas.

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:43:00 +0000
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I am a member of this list, a newbie. I have a problem. My problem 
is not directly related to majordomo itself but it has to do with the 
email sent by a member of the list.
The problem is this:  I couldn't get read of the email sent by 
Sudhakar Chandrasekharan <thaths@netscape.com> today (22 of 
March 2000).  I can delete it and it disappears. But it comes back 
again when I check POP3 mail for new mail. Can anyone tell me 
what is happening? How can I solve this problem?
Thanks beforehand.
Gebru




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I've been trying to get restrict_post to wkr for a couple of weeks, on and
off and am having no luck what so ever.

I have a file called listname.restrict which is in the lists directory and
has one email address (mine) in it. I have tried setting restrict_post to:

restrict_post = listname.restrict
restrict_post = lists/listname.restrict
restrict_post = /usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.restrict

none of which seem to work.

Any ideas ?

Thanks,

Bill.

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Subject: Re: max recipients per sendmail session ?
To: perrot@francenet.fr (Gildas PERROT)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:16:05 -0500 (EST)
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
In-Reply-To: <200003220939.e2M9dhM02378@breizh.francenet.fr> from "Gildas PERROT" at Mar 22, 2000 10:39:43 AM
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Gildas,

In checking my system mail log, my version of sendmail (8.9.3) under
Solaris 7 sends about 22 messages in one go, then goes back for
another bunch of addresses.

-vlw

On Wed Mar 22 04:39:43 2000 Gildas PERROT wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I would like to use MAX_RCPTS_PER_MESSAGE parameter in sendmail 8.10
>in order to limit spam. However, I have Majordomo mailing lists with
>thousands of subscribers in a list. How does Majordomo distribute messages, is 
>there any fix number recipient per SMTP session or can I fix it ?

=======================================================================
Virginia Walters, CERIS Network Services	Voice:  765/494-0442
Email: vwalters@ceris.purdue.edu		  FAX:  765/494-9727

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Just an FYI:

http://listes.cru.fr/sympa/sympa-versus-majordomo-gb.html

>From scanning through this, I believe quite a few of the 'cons' of
Majordomo listed aren't relevant to Majordomo2 ...

Those more in 'the know', please respond, but the ones that I don't thnk
are pertinent any longer are:

Multilingual Support 
	- de/en are currently supported in Mj2, and it looks like more
	  could be added relatively easily?

Membership Parameters 
	- huh?

Address Management 
	- *greatly* simplified in Majordomo2 ... my lists are down to 3
	  aliases to setup, vs the old 12 or so
	- don't understand the one about list-owner though

Abuse Protection 
	- last I checked, Mj2 had some serious anti-spam features added to
	  her, but I haven't played with it yet

Removal of Membership 
	- still a little weak here, I think ... would love to see some
	  sort of 'expire' option, where a user is sent a 'please
	  acknowledge subscription' message periodically ...

Membership Options
	- again, Majordomo2 appears to have greatly extended this, with
	  the following flags settable by the user:

			noack
			noeliminatecc
			nohide
			prefix
			replyto
			selfcopy
			norewritefrom

Performance
	- to the best of my knowledge, this is *totally* irrelevant in
	  majordomo2, as it no longer "relies" on any one MTA .. nor, if I
	  recall, did majordomo itself, did it?

Administration
	- only 3 aliases are required for Majordomo2 as well ...

Configuration/Customization
	- from looking at the lists/SITE subdir, it appears that most, if
	  not all, messages are customizable ...

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Gildas PERROT wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I discover a very good Majordomo competitor : Sympa 
> (http://listes.cru.fr/sympa).
> I was wondering if there is still good reasons to stay with Majordomo. 
> 
> Thanks in advance for your information.		Gildas.
> -- 
> Gildas PERROT, perrot@francenet.fr         __o
> FranceNet, 28 rue Desaix, 75015 Paris ---_`\<,_
> http://www.francenet.fr            ---- (_)/ (_)
> 
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Billy O'Connor wrote:

> I've been trying to get restrict_post to wkr for a couple of weeks, on and
> off and am having no luck what so ever.

Are you certain that your list is using resend ?

-j

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Hi!

Check the settings on your e-mail client.

Check if you have the "remove mail from server" option is on.

Regard,

Björn Ljungberg - WebDevelopment Communication Corp.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gebru Hailu [mailto:G.Hailu@fab.hvu.nl]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 1:43 PM
> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Check POP3 mail for new mail
>
>
> I am a member of this list, a newbie. I have a problem. My problem
> is not directly related to majordomo itself but it has to do with the
> email sent by a member of the list.
> The problem is this:  I couldn't get read of the email sent by
> Sudhakar Chandrasekharan <thaths@netscape.com> today (22 of
> March 2000).  I can delete it and it disappears. But it comes back
> again when I check POP3 mail for new mail. Can anyone tell me
> what is happening? How can I solve this problem?
> Thanks beforehand.
> Gebru
>
>
>

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I've just installed majordomo 1.94.5 on SunOS 5.7 on a Sparc 5. When I do the
final test in the INSTALL file:

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   % echo 'lists' | mail majordomo

I get in /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/Log

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What do I need to configure? 

Any pointers to solutions would be gratefully accepted.

-Bill McClung

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Subject: Majordomo results: Re: 015E-FA0E-43B2 : CONFIRM from mj2-cv (fwd)
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oops?  I just hit reply and typed accept ...


Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:23:30 -0600 (CST)
From: mj2@hpc.uh.edu
To: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Subject: Majordomo results: Re: 015E-FA0E-43B2 : CONFIRM from mj2-cv

>>>> accept
**** Nonexistant token "015E-FA0E-43B2"!

>>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 mj2@hpc.uh.edu wrote:
**** Illegal command!

1 valid command processed; its status is indeterminate.



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From: Sudhakar Chandrasekharan <thaths@netscape.com>
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The Hermit Hacker proclaimed:
> Membership Parameters
>         - huh?

mj2's is vastly improved over mj1.  Don't think that stuff like LDAP
backends could be done yet.

> Address Management
>         - don't understand the one about list-owner though

mj2 does automatic bounce handling.  bounced messages usually come back to
-owner.  See 'bounce_probe_frequency' in the config file.

> Removal of Membership
>         - still a little weak here, I think ... would love to see some
>           sort of 'expire' option, where a user is sent a 'please
>           acknowledge subscription' message periodically ...

Did you look at 'token_lifetime' and 'token_remind' in the config?

S.
-- 
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I am having a problem installing Majordomo on an sgi irix 6.5 system and 
I am hoping that someone might be able to help.

When I do a make wrapper I get the following error:


/usr/lib32/cmplrs/cpp  -DBIN=\"/usr/local/etc/majordomo-1.94.5\" 
-DPATH=\"PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb\"  -DHOME=
\"HOME=/usr/local/etc/majordomo-1.94.5\" -DSHELL=\"SHELL=/bin/sh\"  
-DMAJORDOMO_CF=\"MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/local/etc/majordo
mo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf\"       -DPOSIX_UID=98 -DPOSIX_GID=1 -o wrapper 
wrapper.c
Warning: Unrecognized option (o) in "-o"
Error(1005): could not open source file "wrapper"

1 catastrophic error detected in the compilation of "wrapper".
Compilation terminated.
*** Error code 4 (bu21)

Does anyone have a suggestion?

TIA,

Lee Collings

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From: Nik Jewell <nik@jnana.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Majordomo commands not parsed
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:03:29 +0000
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Hi

I'm new to Majordomo administration, but have been a list manager on and off for
years.  I have spent the day setting it up for the first time on a TurboLinux
6 box.  I've succeeded in getting it to talk to sendmail, but something is
seriously amiss.

Using the example alias files I've managed to get 'test' working, and to get
the automated reply from 'test-request', but I can't get any majordomo commands
parsed correctly.

Sending which, who, lists, subscribe, help etc. to majordomo@foo.bar.com
results in the request being echoed straight back to the sender, unparsed
(presumably) and unprocessed.  No error messages appear and nothing is entered
into the log file.

I've read the docs, read the faq, searched the archives, gone over the
permissions again and again but I can't get it working.  The fact that I can
find no reference to my problem suggests that I have made a very basic error...
I can send the details of any configuration files if that would help.

Thanks

Nik


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Hiya,

Just wondering if anyone could give me a little advice. I need to put
some strings into the taboo_headers to stop posting from a certain
web-based e-mail system. This system does not use the X-Originating-IP
header, so I have to match based on other stuff.

X-wm-posted-at: po.okc.cc.ok.us; Wed, 22 Mar 00 09:44:44 -0600
X-mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.51

I've put the following into the taboo_headers, but I'm not sure how
accurate the regexp is. If anyone could browse of it and offer any
advice that would be greatly appreciated.

/^X-mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP1/i
/^X-wm-posted-at: po\.okc\.cc\.ok\.us/i


Thanks,

Dean.

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From: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
To: Sudhakar Chandrasekharan <thaths@netscape.com>
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote:

> > Removal of Membership
> >         - still a little weak here, I think ... would love to see some
> >           sort of 'expire' option, where a user is sent a 'please
> >           acknowledge subscription' message periodically ...
> 
> Did you look at 'token_lifetime' and 'token_remind' in the config?

At your mentioning of it, I have ... doesn't look like it has anything to
do with what i was asking though ...

I work at a University where there are 4k students going t hrough there a
year ... a large portion of htem subscribe to mailing lists, and when the
year is up, and accounts get cleaned up, they of course don't unsubscribe
to the lists ...

listserv, I believe it is, has a mechanism where hte admin of a list can
send a command to the list that will then send an email to all subscribers
asking them to 'verify their subscription' ... if they don't respond in X
amount of time, they are auto-unsubscribed from the list ...

Right now, the token system appears to only deal with how long a sub/unsub
goes before its ignored ... this would be after the person had subscribed
to the list itself ...




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From: Dan Liston <dan@sonny.org>
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Billy,

Your first restrict_post is correct.  The problem could be in your alias
for the list.  If listname: :include:/directory/to/listfiles/listname
is used, the message will never be touched by majordomo and all the
configuration changes in the world will not make a difference.
listname: "/directory/to/majordomo/wrapper resend -l listname
listname-outgoing"
is the correct alias format to use.  Then create the listname-outgoing
alias to look like the first example.

Dan

Billy O'Connor wrote:
> 
> I've been trying to get restrict_post to wkr for a couple of weeks, on and
> off and am having no luck what so ever.
> 
> I have a file called listname.restrict which is in the lists directory and
> has one email address (mine) in it. I have tried setting restrict_post to:
> 
> restrict_post = listname.restrict
> restrict_post = lists/listname.restrict
> restrict_post = /usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.restrict
> 
> none of which seem to work.
> 
> Any ideas ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill.

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Dean McDonald wrote:
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> Just wondering if anyone could give me a little advice. I need to put
> some strings into the taboo_headers to stop posting from a certain
> web-based e-mail system. This system does not use the X-Originating-IP
> header, so I have to match based on other stuff.
> 
> X-wm-posted-at: po.okc.cc.ok.us; Wed, 22 Mar 00 09:44:44 -0600
> X-mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.51
> 
> I've put the following into the taboo_headers, but I'm not sure how
> accurate the regexp is. If anyone could browse of it and offer any
> advice that would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> /^X-mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP1/i

You should escape ( and ) like so; \( \)
and SMTP1/i or is that a typo?  This should not have the '1'.
An alternative regex for this line could be;
/^X-mailer: *WebMail.*Hydra.*SMTP/i

> /^X-wm-posted-at: po\.okc\.cc\.ok\.us/i
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dean.

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Patrick,

Are you using an email client to send the message, or doing it from the
command line?
What are the ownerships and permissions on /usr/local/majordomo and
below?
dumblist should be an alias that uses majordomo/wrapper resend -l
dumblist dumblist-out.  Without this alias, majordomo never touches the
message.

Dan

Patrick Armour wrote:
> 
> For days now I have installed, uninstalled, cussed, and kicked trying to get
> this to work the way I think it should. So it's probably something simple
> that I haven't read yet...  Okay... When I try to subscribe from a different
> account everything goes okay.  I send a message to majordomo@domain.com with
> subscribe dumblist as the message.  The user gets added.  But when the user
> tries to send a message to dumblist@domain.com it comes back with the
> following message:
> 
> : The original message was received at Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:01:37 -0600
> : from gomer.cjnetworks.com [206.52.159.10]
> :
>  :   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> : include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/dumblist
> :     (expanded from: <dumblist@domain.com>)
> :
> :   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> : 550 include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/dumblist... Can't create output:
> Permission denied
> 
> If you have any questions, feel free to call me at 785-270-1317.
> 
> ***************************************************************************
> Patrick Armour
> ADSL Coordinator
> NetWorks Technical Support Team
> 
> http://www.myinternetworks.com

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Nik Jewell wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I'm new to Majordomo administration, but have been a list manager on and off for
> years.  I have spent the day setting it up for the first time on a TurboLinux
> 6 box.  I've succeeded in getting it to talk to sendmail, but something is
> seriously amiss.

What version of majordomo?  Compressed, tar, or RPM?  What version of
sendmail?
> 
> Using the example alias files I've managed to get 'test' working, and to get
> the automated reply from 'test-request', but I can't get any majordomo commands
> parsed correctly.
> 
> Sending which, who, lists, subscribe, help etc. to majordomo@foo.bar.com
> results in the request being echoed straight back to the sender, unparsed
> (presumably) and unprocessed.  No error messages appear and nothing is entered
> into the log file.

You will want to check your majordomo/Log file and your sendmail log.

What does your majordomo alias look like?  
majordomo: "/path/to/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"

When you send commands, what syntax are you using?

to: majordomo@localhost
subject:

help

Perhaps the wrapper was improperly configured/compiled, or the
majordomo.cf is out of whack.  If you change 
test-request: "/path/to/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test"
to 
test-request: "/path/to/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test"
what happens?  Try this and send a subscribe message to
test-request@foo.bar.com.

Did you `newaliases` after adding majordomo related aliases?

Dan

> 
> I've read the docs, read the faq, searched the archives, gone over the
> permissions again and again but I can't get it working.  The fact that I can
> find no reference to my problem suggests that I have made a very basic error...
> I can send the details of any configuration files if that would help.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Nik

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Hi,


>I've just installed majordomo 1.94.5 on SunOS 5.7 on a Sparc 5. When I do
the
>final test in the INSTALL file:
>
>   % touch /path/to/majordomo/lists/test
>   % echo 'lists' | mail majordomo
>
>I get in /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/Log
>
>  Mar 16 11:26:24 vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu majordomo[24072] {mcclung}
WARNING
>  Non-domained address: mcclung
>
>  Mar 16 11:26:24 vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu majordomo[24072] {mcclung} ABORT
>  majordomo@vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu: mcclung is not a valid return address.
>
>What do I need to configure?
>
>Any pointers to solutions would be gratefully accepted.


This is an easy one - I had this problem when I was setting up majordomo
myself.  It believes your user id is a valid address but sendmail does it.
Send majordomo some mail from your favourite mailer :)

Sam


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Hello everyone...

I am running 1.94.5 on Solaris 2.6 with perl 5.005_03.

I am wondering if it is possible to separate lists into discreet
directories...  We are starting to get an increase in list requests, and
the number of files in the list directory is getting rather excessive.

Has anyone ever addressed this?

TIA!

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Dean McDonald wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone could give me a little advice. I need to put
> some strings into the taboo_headers to stop posting from a certain
> web-based e-mail system. This system does not use the X-Originating-IP
> header, so I have to match based on other stuff.
> 
> X-wm-posted-at: po.okc.cc.ok.us; Wed, 22 Mar 00 09:44:44 -0600
> X-mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.51

"WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.51" doesn't indicate a specific mail site, it
just just indicates that the message came from a mail system using the
WebMail 3.51 software (from Infinite Technologies, http://www.ihub.com).  
If you reject mail based on the X-mailer header, you'll be rejecting mail
from *all* mail sites using WebMail 3.51.  Can't see any reason for that,
because messages originating from WebMail sites in general don't blow up
lists here.

If you mean to block mail from that specific WebMail site, do it based on
the "X-wm-posted-at: po.okc.cc.ok.us header", something like this:

/^X-wm-posted-at: po\.okc\.cc\.ok\.us/i

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When I tried to  perform the following command=20

echo lists | mail majordomo

I recieved the following error

"Alias1" unsafe map file /home/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases =
 Permission denied


Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong

Thanks

Mike



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Is it possible to configure Majordomo 1.94.4 to compile mime digests?
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On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:11:26AM -0800, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote:

> mj2 does automatic bounce handling.  bounced messages usually come back to
> -owner.  See 'bounce_probe_frequency' in the config file.

So, out of curiosity, where can mj2 be had?

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Hi Julian,

Your steps look great!  I am not a supporter of running majordomo in the
daemon group though lots of others claim success this way.  I have been
able to work with it either way, it is just a preference of mine.

Item #4 should also have an asterisk in front of $filedir.  And you did
not mention $majordomo_request, or $max_which_hits in the majordomo.cf.

Item #8 is good, but I would replace all occurances of "jfrost" to
"jfrost,".

>From Note: 10, I would think only a directory should be 755 and the file
"dummy" should be 664.  The best way to make sure a file or directory
has the right permissions and ownership is to `su -l majordomo` before
creating them.

Item #13, what about creating /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l?
(and chmod it to 755).

Item #14, The alias;
sig-l-archive:  "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper archive2.pl -f
                /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l -a -M"
is trying to use a file called sig-l.200003 in lists/archive.  It should
be using a sig-l directory, like thus;
sig-l-archive:  "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper archive2.pl -f
                /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l/sig-l -a -M"
The sample majordomo.cf in 1.94.4 explained how the program drills down
for archives better than the sample.cf in 1.94.5 does.

Item #16: I take a different approach to disabling the 'lists' command. 
I use the noadvertise setting of the individual listname.config file. 
Example, all three lines;
noadvertise         <<  END
/.*/
END
If I want a list advertised to the public, I just "blank out" line two. 
Or If I want it advertised to just people with email addresses in
@my.domain, I blank out line 2 here and add /\@my.domain/ as line 2 of
the "advertise" setting.

Your b2v2k list aliases will work as is.  To determine whether you need
or want a comma at the end of an alias, try this;
Create a user for youself other than jfrost.
Subscribe jfrost and this new user to the list in question.
Send a message to the list from this other user.
As jfrost, read the message and examine the ^Received: lines carefully.
Edit the aliases and insert commas,
newaliases
Send another message to the list from the user you created.
As jfrost, read the message and examine the ^Received: lines again.

If the name of your -outgoing or -list aliases which expand to your
:included: file are mentioned in the headers, you have a potential
security/privacy/spam risk.  By adding a comma, the headers should have
changed where our delicate information is not revealed.

On the subject of privacy, I also recommend this line in sendmail.cf;
O PrivacyOptions=authwarnings,noexpn,novrfy

Keep me posted,
Dan

"Julian M. Frost" wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> Here's what I have done. All the previous error messages seem to have
> disappeared, digesting and archiving seems to be working. The following is
> from my "majordomo-setup" log:
> 
> Here's what I did.
> 
> 1)      I "picked" a group and user ID for mj to run under. To do this, I
>         created a new user, "majordomo" and edited the /etc/passwd file
>         to read:
> 
>         daemon:x:2:2:daemon:/sbin:
>         majordomo:x:501:2:Majordomo:/home/majordomo:/bin/bash
> 
>         I then used linuxconf to add a line to the sendmail.cf:
>         Tmajordomo
> 
> 2)      I chose a directory for mj to install into: /usr/majordomo-1.94.5
> 
> 3)      I edited the Makefile and specified where Perl resides. I
>         specified:
> 
>         W_USER = 501
>         W_GROUP = 2
> 
>         I uncommented the following lines for a POSIX (linux) system:
> 
>         WRAPPER_OWNER = root
>         WRAPPER_GROUP = $(W_GROUP)
>         WRAPPER_MODE = 4755
>         POSIX = -DPOSIX_UID=$(W_USER) -DPOSIX_GID=$(W_GROUP)
> 
> 4)      I edited the majordomo.cf file
> 
>         $whereami = "odaiko.ss.uci.edu";
>         $whoami = "Majordomo\@$whereami";
>         $whoami_owner = "Majordomo-Owner\@$whereami";
>         if ( defined $ENV{"HOME"}) {
>              $homedir = $ENV{"HOME"};
>         } else {
>              $homedir = "/usr/majordomo-1.94.5";
>         }
>         $listdir = "$homedir/lists";
> *       $digest_work_dir = "/usr/majordomo/lists/digest";
>         $log = "$homedir/Log";
>         $sendmail_command = "/usr/sbin/sendmail";
>         $mailer = "$sendmail_command -oi -oee -f\$sender";
>         $bounce_mailer = "$sendmail_command -oi -oee -f\$sender -t";
>         $filedir = "$listdir/archive";
>         $filedir_suffix = "";
> 
> 
>         * Note: This directory does not exist and was not created by the
>                 installer! Created it as follows:
>                 drwxr-x---   3 majordom daemon  1024 Mar 13 12:37 digest
> 
> 5)      As root, I did a "make wrapper". It completed with no errors or
>         warnings.
> 
> 6)      As root, I did a "make install". It completed with no errors or
>         warnings.
> 
> 7)      As root, I did a "make install-wrapper". It completed with no
>         errors or warnings.
> 
> 8)      I edited the /etc/aliases file and added their example aliases
>         (names changed from "test" to "b2v2k" to fit one of my small
>         lists):
> 
>         majordomo: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo"
>         owner-majordomo: jfrost         (maybe should end with a comma?)
>         majordomo-owner: jfrost
> 
>         b2v2k:          "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l b2v2k
>                                 b2v2k-list"   (on one line)
>         b2v2k-list:     :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/b2v2k
>         owner-b2v2k:    jfrost
>         b2v2k-owner:    jfrost
>         b2v2k-request:  jfrost
> 
>         and ran "newaliases".
> 
> 9)      As jfrost, I changed to /usr/majordomo-1.94.5 and ran ./wrapper
>         config-test. It reported no errors or warnings, said that
>         majordomo should work, and asked me if I would like to register
>         (I did).
> 
> 10)     I tested majordomo by issuing the following commands, as specified
>         in the INSTALL file:
> 
>         touch /path/to/majordomo/lists/dummy
>         echo 'lists' | mail majordomo
> 
>         Note: Although not mentioned, each mailing lists' subscription
>         database (/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/dummy in ths case) must be
>         CHMOD 775.
> 
>         Majordomo replied, showing that there was a list called "dummy".
> 
> 11)     As I'm using smrsh, I created symbolic link in the /etc/smrsh
>         directory by typing:
> 
>         ln -s /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper wrapper
> 
> 12)     The permissions on the /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists directory were
>         drwxrwxr-x   2 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  8 15:13 lists
> 
>         I changed them to 755 having been told that sendmail doesn't like
>         group writeable directories in the path to the lists directory:
> 
>         drwxr-xr-x   4 majordom daemon       1024 Mar  9 15:31 lists
> 
> 13)     Make an achive directory inside /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists:
>         drwxr-xr-x   3 majordom daemon       1024 Mar 23 12:45 archive
> 
>         Inside the archive directory, create another directory:
>         drwxr-xr-x   2 majordom daemon       1024 Mar 23 12:35 sig-l-digest
> 
> 14)     Next step was to reactivate one of my lists that has a digest,
>         SIG-L. I used the digest.aliases file as a template, and came up
>         with the following aliases to add to the /etc/aliases file:
> 
>         [Long lines broken for ease of reading]
> 
>         sig-l: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l sig-l
>                                         sig-l-outgoing",
>         sig-l-outgoing: :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l,
>                                         sig-l-archive, sig-l-digestify
>         sig-l-request: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l sig-l"
>         sig-l-approval: jfrost,
> 
>         owner-sig-l: jfrost,
>         owner-sig-l-outgoing: owner-sig-l
>         sig-l-archive:  "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper archive2.pl -f
>                         /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/archive/sig-l -a -M"
> 
>         sig-l-digestify: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C -l
>                         sig-l-digest sig-l-digest-outgoing"
> 
>         sig-l-digest: sig-l
>         sig-l-digest-outgoing:
>                         :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sig-l-digest
> 
>         sig-l-digest-request: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l
>                         sig-l-digest"
> 
>         sig-l-digest-approval: jfrost,
>         owner-sig-l-digest-outgoing: owner-sig-l
> 
> 15)     [Internal stuff specific to my server]
> 
> 16)     Disabled the LISTS command by editing the
>         /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo file and commenting out the
>         following line (as shown)
> 
>         #jmf    elsif ($cmd eq "lists") { &do_lists(@parts); }
> 
>         Also found the HELP section, and added that the lists command had
>         been disabled by the system administrator.
> 
> Do the simple (no archived, non digestified) list b2v2k aliases lok ok?...
>         majordomo: "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo"
>         owner-majordomo: jfrost         (maybe should end with a comma?)
>         majordomo-owner: jfrost         ditto
> 
>         b2v2k:          "|/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l b2v2k
>                                 b2v2k-list"   (on one line)
>         b2v2k-list:     :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/b2v2k
>         owner-b2v2k:    jfrost          Comma??
>         b2v2k-owner:    jfrost            "
>         b2v2k-request:  jfrost            "
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Julian

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Michael,

This is either because sendmail 8.9.3 does not like the group writable
permissions on /home/majordom, /home/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5, or the
majordomo.aliases file itself.

Dan

Michael Benavidez wrote:
> 
> When I tried to  perform the following command
> 
> echo lists | mail majordomo
> 
> I recieved the following error
> 
> "Alias1" unsafe map file /home/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases  Permission denied
> 
> Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike

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At 05:03 PM 3/23/00 -0500, Mason Loring Bliss wrote:
>So, out of curiosity, where can mj2 be had?

http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo/

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You could look at the virtual hosting information which is somewhat
complex, but does separate the lists into multiple directories.

Dan

"Brian T. Huntley" wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone...
> 
> I am running 1.94.5 on Solaris 2.6 with perl 5.005_03.
> 
> I am wondering if it is possible to separate lists into discreet
> directories...  We are starting to get an increase in list requests, and
> the number of files in the list directory is getting rather excessive.
> 
> Has anyone ever addressed this?
> 
> TIA!
> 
> -
> Best regards,
> Brian
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Sam Stickland wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> >I've just installed majordomo 1.94.5 on SunOS 5.7 on a Sparc 5. When I do
> the
> >final test in the INSTALL file:
> >
> >   % touch /path/to/majordomo/lists/test
> >   % echo 'lists' | mail majordomo
> >
> >I get in /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/Log
> >
> >  Mar 16 11:26:24 vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu majordomo[24072] {mcclung}
> WARNING
> >  Non-domained address: mcclung
> >
> >  Mar 16 11:26:24 vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu majordomo[24072] {mcclung} ABORT
> >  majordomo@vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu: mcclung is not a valid return address.
> >
> >What do I need to configure?
> >
> >Any pointers to solutions would be gratefully accepted.
> 
> This is an easy one - I had this problem when I was setting up majordomo
> myself.  It believes your user id is a valid address but sendmail does it.
> Send majordomo some mail from your favourite mailer :)
> 
> Sam

Does anyone know where in the code this changed between 1.94.4 and
1.94.5?
Non-domained address was not an issue in 1.94.4.  So much for sending
majordomo commands from the command line any more...

Maybe, rather than piping through "mail", we should be piping through
"sendmail -fmyaddress@fully.qualified.domain"

Dan

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>>>>> "SS" == Sam Stickland <sam@spacething.org> writes:

    >> I've just installed majordomo 1.94.5 on SunOS 5.7 on a Sparc 5. When I
    >> do the
    >> final test in the INSTALL file:
    >> 
    >> % touch /path/to/majordomo/lists/test 
    >> % echo 'lists' | mail majordomo
    >> 
    >> I get in /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/Log
    >> 
    >> Mar 16 11:26:24 vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu majordomo[24072] {mcclung}
    >> WARNING
    >> Non-domained address: mcclung
    >> 
    >> Mar 16 11:26:24 vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu majordomo[24072] {mcclung}
    >> ABORT majordomo@vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu: mcclung is not a valid return
    >> address.
    >> 
    >> What do I need to configure?
    >> 
    >> Any pointers to solutions would be gratefully accepted.

    SS> This is an easy one - I had this problem when I was setting up
    SS> majordomo myself.  It believes your user id is a valid address but
    SS> sendmail does it.  Send majordomo some mail from your favourite mailer
    SS> :)

I get the same response using RMAIL in emacs (which talks to sendmail
directly, I believe) and mail.

How _should_ I mail to majordomo?

Do I need to reconfigure sendmail? If so, how?

Thanks.

-Bill McClung



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	At one point and time found a message relating to my problem, 
however I can not seem to located it now.

	Redhat 6.1 Exim 3.0.3. and Majordomo 1.9.4-5

	I operate a multitude of mailing lists. Majordomo seems to 
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Dan Liston wrote:
>> Bill McClung wrote:
>> >I get in /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/Log
>> >
>> >  Mar 16 11:26:24 vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu majordomo[24072] {mcclung}
>> WARNING
>> >  Non-domained address: mcclung
>> >
>> >  Mar 16 11:26:24 vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu majordomo[24072] {mcclung} ABORT
>> >  majordomo@vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu: mcclung is not a valid return address.
>
>Does anyone know where in the code this changed between 1.94.4 and
>1.94.5?

In 1.94.5 it's at majordomo.pl line 605.  1.94.4 required a '.' iff an
'@' was present in the address, whereas 1.94.5 always requires that the
address contain both an '@' and a '.'.

In both cases it looks as though that check would be satisfied by a '.'
in the local part (left of the '@') of the address, so it's not really
doing what was intended.  1.94.5 would have done better to match the
address against a regexp of the form '/.+\@.+\..+/'.  (Yeah, I know,
it's easy to nitpick after the fact.)

>Non-domained address was not an issue in 1.94.4.  So much for sending
>majordomo commands from the command line any more...
>
>Maybe, rather than piping through "mail", we should be piping through
>"sendmail -fmyaddress@fully.qualified.domain"

Yup, if your MTA is 'sendmail' that'll get you through the testing
phase.  Or edit majordomo.pl and add a special case that says 'mcclung'
is an acceptable address.  But neither of those steps will help other
local users who actually want to use Majordomo, they'll still trigger
the 'undomained' code.  If that's likely then you should reconfigure
your MTA to add the domain part, or perhaps edit majordomo.pl to do
something closer to the 1.94.4 behaviour.

Mike.
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Patrick Armour wrote:

> :   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> : 550 include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/dumblist... Can't create output:
> : Permission denied

I may be asking the stupid question here, but of the questions asked in
this list, many are the exact same question over and over again. 
Permissions problems stemming from the fact that the majordomo docs are
wrong.  Why don't one of the developers change it and make a version .51
or so?
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Michael Benavidez wrote:

> "Alias1" unsafe map file /home/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases  Permission denied

According to the sendmail FAQ, this file needs to be in /etc.  Don't
forget to run newaliases.
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Dan Liston wrote:

> Non-domained address was not an issue in 1.94.4.  So much for sending
> majordomo commands from the command line any more...
> Maybe, rather than piping through "mail", we should be piping through
> "sendmail -fmyaddress@fully.qualified.domain"

We just ssh to another machine on the network and send mail from that
machine.  Works good and works fast, plus it's under very controlled
conditions.
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Subject: Re: Sendmail/Majordomo Problem; unsafe map file.....Permissiondenied
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:36:30 -0300
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, you wrote:
> Michael Benavidez wrote:
> 
> > "Alias1" unsafe map file /home/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases  Permission denied
> 
> According to the sendmail FAQ, this file needs to be in /etc.  Don't
> forget to run newaliases.


Hello
I've got the same problem.  However in confic.mc I specifically set the define
option to point to /usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.aliases too. sendmail -b -vi
sends out a error message (permission denied) in the same way as above.

I checked the permissions and everything.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot

Eduardo

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From: "SINGH,VIVEK (Non-HP-Cupertino,ex1)" <vivek_singh@non.hp.com>
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Subject: NEWBIE : Hypermail problems
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Hello,

I am using Majordomo and Hypermail on a Linux system. Both worked fine, and
Hypermail would create the HTML files for the mails sent to the list.

However, as the number of mails in the list are increasing, I find that
hypermail is not able to webbify the mails. It is fired every night thru
cron, and just sits there, consuming 90 + % of CPU, and not really doing
anything. Also, I am not sure where is the config file for hypermail. Do I
need to create one myself, or does the installation of Hypermail creates
one?

As I am new to Majordomo and Hypermail, I'll appreciate any help which will
help me solve this problem.

Thanks and have a great day!

Vivek

PS : Is there a discussion forum for Hypermail too? 

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From: Nik Jewell <nik@jnana.demon.co.uk>
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To: Dan Liston <dan@sonny.org>
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Solved it.

ln -s /mail/majordomo/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper

Sendmail problem, not Majordomo.

Thanks, Dan, for replying in such detail.  Sorry to waste your time.

Best

Nik





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From: Ken Scott <riddler@dreamhaven.net>
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I posted this a few days ago, but I don't think it ever got here, so will
try one more time.  I'm using majordomo v1.94.5 under Red Hat Linux v6.1,
having installed it via an rpm (majordomo-1.94.5-3.i386.rpm, I believe 
it was).  I got a test list set up with no problem, configured as 
open+confirm.  Majordomo processes the initial subscription request and
sends back the authorization code for confirmation, just like it should.  
>From there, however, all attempts to send it back by replying to
the message are met with silence.  Not only that, but I'm getting
mail from sendmail every 24 hours telling me that it's still trying to
deliver those replies.  Majordomo will answer any other mail sent
to it, but refuses to even receive, apparently, those replies.  Any ideas?
Thanks very much in advance for any help.

--
Ken,
riddler@dreamhaven.net

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From: "Grace M. Garcia" <gmg@iphil.net>
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I am getting spam messages for non-subscribed users. I am thinking of
restricting users, will that work? And how will I do it?

majordomo.1-94
sendmail 8.8.7
perl 5.004m7
redhat 5.2

What other measures I should take to prevent this from happening? 


Grace M. Garcia                                 
Iphil Communications, A PSINet company  
Makati, Philippines



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From: "Grace M. Garcia" <gmg@iphil.net>
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The users are not really existing. Take a look...
Also included below is the header of one of the sender.
Help badly needed!

kjlhvosdf@yahoo.com... Connecting to mx1.mail.yahoo.com. via esmtp...
220 mta226.mail.yahoo.com ESMTP
>>> EHLO tirad.internal.iphil.net
250-mta226.mail.yahoo.com
250-PIPELINING
250 8BITMIME
>>> MAIL From:<gmg@tirad.internal.iphil.net>
250 ok
>>> RCPT To:<kjlhvosdf@yahoo.com>
250 ok
>>> DATA
354 go ahead dd
>>> .
552 qdirdel.1 error 100:This user does not have a yahoo.com account (kjlhvosdf@yahoo.com)
kjlhvosdf@yahoo.com... Service unavailable
/home/gmg/dead.letter... Saved message in /home/gmg/dead.letter
Closing connection to mx1.mail.yahoo.com.
>>> QUIT
221 mta226.mail.yahoo.com


ndjsah@yahoo.com... Connecting to mx1.mail.yahoo.com. via esmtp...
220 mta230.mail.yahoo.com ESMTP
>>> EHLO tirad.internal.iphil.net
250-mta230.mail.yahoo.com
250-PIPELINING
250 8BITMIME
>>> MAIL From:<gmg@tirad.internal.iphil.net>
250 ok
>>> RCPT To:<ndjsah@yahoo.com>
250 ok
>>> DATA
354 go ahead dd
>>> .
552 qdirdel.1 error 100:This user does not have a yahoo.com account (ndjsah@yahoo.com)
ndjsah@yahoo.com... Service unavailable
/home/gmg/dead.letter... Saved message in /home/gmg/dead.letter
Closing connection to mx1.mail.yahoo.com.
>>> QUIT
221 mta230.mail.yahoo.com

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<HTML><FONT  COLOR="#800000" SIZE=4 PTSIZE=11><B>Don't you think you deserve<BR>
something Wet and kinda Wild?</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT  SIZE=4 PTSIZE=11><B><A HREF="http://198.78.142.6/ms/10524kk/index.html">ENTER</A></HTML>
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Grace M. Garcia wrote:

> 
> I am getting spam messages for non-subscribed users. I am thinking of
> restricting users, will that work? And how will I do it?
> 
> majordomo.1-94
> sendmail 8.8.7
> perl 5.004m7
> redhat 5.2
> 
> What other measures I should take to prevent this from happening? 
> 
> 
> Grace M. Garcia                                 
> Iphil Communications, A PSINet company  
> Makati, Philippines
> 
> 
> 



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At 11:51 PM 03/24/2000 , Grace M. Garcia wrote:
>I am getting spam messages for non-subscribed users. I am thinking of
>restricting users, will that work?

Works great for me.

>And how will I do it?

Just set the restrict_post configuration variable to the list file 
name.  If you want to allow other addresses to post that aren't subscribed 
(admin users, etc), just list the addresses in another file (in your main 
lists directory) and add that file to the restrict_post entry (separate the 
files with a colon).

david


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"SINGH,VIVEK (Non-HP-Cupertino,ex1)" wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am using Majordomo and Hypermail on a Linux system. Both worked fine, and
> Hypermail would create the HTML files for the mails sent to the list.
> 
> However, as the number of mails in the list are increasing, I find that
> hypermail is not able to webbify the mails. It is fired every night thru
> cron, and just sits there, consuming 90 + % of CPU, and not really doing
> anything. Also, I am not sure where is the config file for hypermail. Do I
> need to create one myself, or does the installation of Hypermail creates
> one?
> 
> As I am new to Majordomo and Hypermail, I'll appreciate any help which will
> help me solve this problem.

Check out the Hypermail site (http://www.hypermail.org) and see what
they have to say in the FAQ.

My Hypermail is running dynamically, that is, it 'webifys' mail at
the same time sendmail sends out new copies.

Hypermail combined with SWISH-E really does enhance your site and
(in my experience on a 486-100 w/48meg RAM and a 'fairly' busy list)
has very little impact on performace.  Now building SWISH-E's index
files overnite, that's another question....

				--==jb==--





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On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 mcclung@vorpal.NebrWesleyan.edu wrote:

> >>>>> "SS" == Sam Stickland <sam@spacething.org> writes:
> 
>     >> I've just installed majordomo 1.94.5 on SunOS 5.7 on a Sparc 5. When I
>     >> do the
>     >> final test in the INSTALL file:
>     >> 
>     >> % touch /path/to/majordomo/lists/test 
>     >> % echo 'lists' | mail majordomo
>     >> 
>     >> I get in /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/Log
>     >> 
>     >> Mar 16 11:26:24 vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu majordomo[24072] {mcclung}
>     >> WARNING
>     >> Non-domained address: mcclung
>     >> 
>     >> Mar 16 11:26:24 vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu majordomo[24072] {mcclung}
>     >> ABORT majordomo@vorpal.nebrwesleyan.edu: mcclung is not a valid return
>     >> address.
>     >> 
>     >> What do I need to configure?
>     >> 
>     >> Any pointers to solutions would be gratefully accepted.
> 
>     SS> This is an easy one - I had this problem when I was setting up
>     SS> majordomo myself.  It believes your user id is a valid address but
>     SS> sendmail does it.  Send majordomo some mail from your favourite mailer
>     SS> :)
> 
> I get the same response using RMAIL in emacs (which talks to sendmail
> directly, I believe) and mail.
> 
> How _should_ I mail to majordomo?
> 
> Do I need to reconfigure sendmail? If so, how?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Bill McClung
> 
If you have sendmail 8.8.6 or newer, look for all lines like these in your
sendmail.cf and make sure they are uncommented;

# these are in S10 and S30
R$+			$: $>50 $1		add local domain if needed
R$*			$: $>93 $1		do masquerading

# these are in S50
R$* < @ $* > $*		$@ $1 < @ $2 > $3	already fully qualified
R$+			$@ $1 < @ *LOCAL* >	add local qualification

# NOTE: large gaps in text are <TAB>s not <SPC>s

Or you can use the m4 always_add_domain feature.

Dan


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Hello ,

I would like to know how to setup sending of statistics to many e-mails at the
same time?
My boss, the commercial manager, me and another person would like them all.

Thank you.

Best regards,
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:10:37 -0600
From: Dan Liston <dan@sonny.org>
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CC: "Todd A. Lyons" <cannonball@usinter.net>
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Todd A. Lyons wrote:

>Dan Liston wrote:
>
>> Non-domained address was not an issue in 1.94.4.  So much for sending
>> majordomo commands from the command line any more...
>> Maybe, rather than piping through "mail", we should be piping through
>> "sendmail -fmyaddress@fully.qualified.domain"
>
>We just ssh to another machine on the network and send mail from that
>machine.  Works good and works fast, plus it's under very controlled
>conditions.

Not every internet mail system has the luxury of a local network.  Some
are just a single host at the end of a dialup connection with a static
IP address.  This should be able to be worked via a lab system that is
not even connected to a network of any kind for truly controlled 
conditions.

There are two ways I have gotten around the
"
MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

Majordomo@your.domain.tld: First Last <login> is not a valid return
address.
"
error message.  

Using Sendmail, use the "FEATURE(always_add_domain)dnl" in your m4
sendmail.mc file.  This will tag @your.domain.tld onto any local user or
alias that sends mail from the local machine.

OR

Edit majordomo.pl (thanks Mike O.).
Line 605 in Version 1.94.5 from;
		if (!(/\@/ && /\./)) {
to what Line 590 in Version 1.94.4 used to be;
		if (/\@/ && !/\./) {

In my opinion, the 1.94.4 version is more correct as login names and
aliases do not need to be fully qualified when they are on the same host
as the mail server or list server.  login@host is even a valid mail
address in relation to the local network, which is what the 1.94.4
version was trying to catch (if the address has an at sign but no dot). 
Neither the "@" nor the "." should be mandatory to the list server if
the MTA does not require them.  While it is easier to manage a
subscriber list by requiring the "@" and "." for a human, it makes no
difference to sendmail.

On the other hand, "if (!(/.+\@.+\..+/)) {" as Mike suggests is a much
better test if you DO wish to force "@" and "." in the correct sequence
in an email (or from) address.  This expression says the address must
have at least one or more of any character followed by an at sign, one
or more characters followed by a dot, and one or more characters. 

Considering no TLD has numerics, dashes, underscores or other
mathematical or punctuation characters, the final "." in the expression
could easily be replaced with "[a-z]" assuming all lower casing has 
already happened, or "[a-zA-Z]" if lower casing has not happened yet.  
With the exception of .arpa, .nato, .firm, and .store, no TLD has less 
than 2 or more than 3 characters.  While these TLDs are probably valid 
for web browsing, I doubt their validity for useful email addressing, 
bringing us back to a 2 or 3 letter TLD.  A tighter narrowing of valid 
addressing could be a regex of 

"if (!(/.+\@[a-z][-a-z0-9\.]*\.[a-z][a-z]/ || 
/.+\@[a-z][-a-z0-9\.]*\.[a-z][a-z][a-z]/)) {" 

but even then, should not be tested except on subscribe and unsubscribe
commands.  We should let the MTA determine validity of a "from" address 
during the SMTP conversation.

Dan

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:22:37 -0500
From: Jeffrey Kaplan <jkaplan@world.std.com>
To: Majordomo Users <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Blocking messages from digest only?
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Using Majordomo 1.94, is it possible to block certain messages from
reaching the digested version of a list, yet allow the message to go
to the main list?

I tried setting a filter in the digest's taboo_headers but it had no
effect.  Here is what I tried:

taboo_headers  << END
/Subj.*OFF TOPIC/
END

yet when I sent a test message with 'OFF TOPIC' in the subject line to
the list, the message made it to the digest.

-- 
Jeffrey Kaplan
gordol@gordol.org        <*>    I'm set up for PGP.  Are you?

"So in other words, you're perfect for the job because you're paranoid and
compulsive."  "Or compulsively paranoid."  "Who told you to say that?"
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I'm having a problem with majordomo not allowing subscriptions (or sending
mail out to the test list).  I suspect it's something I'm not familiar
with in Red Hat 6.1; the error message I get in the majordomo management
mailbox is:

  sh:wrapper not available for sendmail programs

The default directory for mailing lists is:
/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists;

everything compiled perfectly, but majordomo can't seem to deliver
requests to the list.  I checked the archives, and found a reference about
removing the write permission for the group ownership to the directory,
and did that, but it didn't have much effect.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Brian Beaver
DMEC Technology Coordinator
Gillham, AR 71841



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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:38:35 -0600
From: Dan Liston <dan@sonny.org>
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Brian Beaver wrote:
> 
> I'm having a problem with majordomo not allowing subscriptions (or sending
> mail out to the test list).  I suspect it's something I'm not familiar
> with in Red Hat 6.1; the error message I get in the majordomo management
> mailbox is:
> 
>   sh:wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 
> The default directory for mailing lists is:
> /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists;
> 
> everything compiled perfectly, but majordomo can't seem to deliver
> requests to the list.  I checked the archives, and found a reference about
> removing the write permission for the group ownership to the directory,
> and did that, but it didn't have much effect.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian Beaver
> DMEC Technology Coordinator
> Gillham, AR 71841

section 2.11 of the FAQ covers this question exactly.

Dan

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Hi,
When I run majordomo on my RedHat 6.0 box I got this message :

----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... Service unavailable

but if I run it under Slacwackware or FreeBSD nothing wrong...
I already search for manul or FAQ ...but unfortunately I can't find the
solution. Any ideas ?

Thanks

---
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any docs on it?  under the old, I'd set restrict_post to the file that
contained the list, as well as a special file, but restrict_post doesn't
sound like its the same in mj2 (or I'm reading it wrong) ...

Thanks...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
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Two problems with the moderated list which i have setup.

1) When someone sends a posting to the list, i (list owner)
receive the message with the subject:

Subject is:
 BOUNCE listname-announce@domain.com: Approval required:
BODY is: 
>From ppp@vsnl.com  Sun Mar 26 11:50:06 2000
Received: from md3.vsnl.net.in (md3.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.35]) by
pppshar.com (8.8.8) id LAA20335; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:50:02 -0700 (MST)
Received: from vsnl.com ([203.197.131.138])
        by md3.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14470
..<other full headers and message goes here>..

Now what is the best way to approve the posting ?

If I just reply with the line "Approved: passwd" in the first
line of the body of the message, the message gets posted to the list
with subject "BOUNCE..........." and the body of the message that
is posted is with all the headers as above.

How do approve so that the message gets posted to the list
in the same structure (subject and body) as posted by the subscriber ?
I want the messages to get posted with the same subject
line as typed by the subscriber and with the subscriber's email
address, message body etc.

2) When someone who is not a subscriber to the moderated
list sends a posting to the list, i want majordomo to send
a reply saying "You are not subscribed to the list...."
How do i configure majordomo for this ?

Thanks in advance for any help
ksamy
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how are ppl doing it?  under the old system, I would just add it to the
aliases file, but am just wondering if ppl have a better way?

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
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We have just upgraded to Sendmail 8.9.2 for security reasons; we use
Majordomo 1.94.4 which seems to have problems with this upgrade.
At the beginning it didn't work because the list directory was writeable:

>----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>italiano_l2-list
>:include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.4/lists/italiano_l2
>    (expanded from: italiano_l2-list)
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>550 :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.4/lists/italiano_l2... Cannot open
/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.4/lists/italiano_l2: World writable directory
>554 italiano_l2-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken


Then, restricting the permissions of the directory, we got this response:

>MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!!
>
>shlock: '/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.4/lists' is not writable by UID 1 GID 1 
>

We made many changes, but it still does not work. At the beginning we could
use commands like subscribe, unsubscribe, who etc.; now it does not
recognize me as member of the list (I am the list-owner)

>>>>> who italiano_l2
>**** List 'italiano_l2' is a private list.
>**** Only members of the list can do a 'who'.
>**** You [ Stefania Spina <sspina@unistrapg.it> ] aren't a member of list
'italiano_l2'.


and if I try to subscribe or unsubscribe it tells me:

>>>> Sorry, an error has occurred while processing your request
>>>> The caretaker of Majordomo ( Majordomo-Owner@dante.unistrapg.it ) has
been notified
>>>> of the problem.


Any help would be appreciated.

Stefania Spina

-----------------------------------------
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I have a list that is repeatedly receiving a message from one address that
was zubscribed, though I have since unzubscribed it. I am using Postfix
for an MTA. I looked at the queue (using mailq) and see the following:

(temporary failure. Command output: Trying to create lock ...  ERROR:
Unable to
lock /usr/local/etc/httpd/http-sparkie/archives/coyote after 10 tries )

coyote-archive@sparkie.osl.state.or.us
coyote-outgoing@sparkie.osl.state.or.us

I am writing to an archive using mhonarc. I have the archives set up like
all my other archives, correct permissions, etc. I have queried the
Postfix mail list and this appears to be a Majordomo problem. The archive
isn't being written to apparently because of the "failure to create lock".

Can anyone enlighten me?

Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
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Hi,

we use a Majordomo 1.94.5 list as generalized e-mail receiver list (and
for internal communiction). We therefore cannot disallow the reception
of email originating of non-subscribed senders.

In order to decrease the number of spam, which the list receives, we
would like to block all e-mails, which don't contain the list address in
the from or cc header (this would be list@*.foo.bar and list@foo.bar).
How can this be done? (This would be a reversed Taboo header.)

Regards,

Tobias

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On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 05:57:11PM +0300, Stefania Spina wrote:
> We have just upgraded to Sendmail 8.9.2 for security reasons; we use
> Majordomo 1.94.4 which seems to have problems with this upgrade.
> At the beginning it didn't work because the list directory was writeable:
> >   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> >550 :include:/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.4/lists/italiano_l2... Cannot open
> /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.4/lists/italiano_l2: World writable directory
> >554 italiano_l2-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken
> 
> Then, restricting the permissions of the directory, we got this response:
> >MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!!
> >shlock: '/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.4/lists' is not writable by UID 1 GID 1 

have you added majordomo as a trusted user to the sendmail.cf file? like
this:

#####################
#   Trusted users   #
#####################
Troot  
Tdaemon
Tmajordom

set your majordomo directory permissions back the way they were and try
the above.  if that doesn't work you can play with the 'DontBlameSendmail'
options but you shouldn't have to.

-matt

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From: Michael Yount <csf@moscow.com>
To: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
Cc: "Majordomo user's mailing list" <majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM>
Subject: Re: anti-spam measures in mj2 ...
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On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 02:16:25AM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> any docs on it?  under the old, I'd set restrict_post to the file that
> contained the list, as well as a special file, but restrict_post doesn't
> sound like its the same in mj2 (or I'm reading it wrong) ...

It's not the same.  There are two different settings I've used
to cut down on UCE.

configset LIST admin_headers <<THEEND
!/(To|Cc):.*LIST/i
THEEND

will cause the list owners to be consulted if a message does not
have the list name in its To: or Cc: headers.

Also, the access rule

post
consult
!@MAIN

will cause posts from undubscribed addresses to be sent to 
the list owners for confirmation.

It's also possible to deny such messages outright, instead of
involving  the list owners.

Michael


> 
> Thanks...
> 
> Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
> primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 
> 
> 
> 

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At 03:54 PM 3/29/00 -0800, Michael Yount wrote:
>It's also possible to deny such messages outright, instead of
>involving  the list owners.

That's my choice, after starting to receive spam targeted
to list owners via bounces. Pretty clever!

On the other hand, Mj2 and I are also pretty clever. Below is my
solution, involving 'configset access_rules' and 'put' to create a
custom reply telling non-subscribers that they didn't reach ANYONE:



configset test-list access_rules << ENDACCESSRULES
post
deny, replyfile=NonSubscriberPost
!@MAIN
ENDACCESSRULES


put GLOBAL /NonSubscriberPost non-subscribers cannot post to $LIST <<ENDNONSUBSCRIBERPOST
You must subscribe to $LIST@climber.org
before you can send messages to it.

NOTE: YOUR MESSAGE DID NOT GO TO THE LIST OR THE LIST OWNER.
      No one will see it unless you take further action!
      Do not re-send an identical message, because the second
      copy will bounce when the server sees it is a duplicate.

Your current header shows you are: $VICTIM

If you think you are a subscriber, it is very likely that your current
mail headers do not contain the same address as the one used when you
subscribed. This may have been changed by your email administrator, but
you may be able to correct it by reconfiguring your mail tool.

If you really ARE subscribed, but using an address other than the one
you subscribed with, just send the post again from the subscription
address... but make sure to alter your message a bit since the server
will bounce it as a duplicate post if you send exactly the same thing.
The simplest change is to put a line at the top with today's date.

To get a list charter with subscription commands, send email to
lists@climber.org with this one-line command in the message:
   info $LIST

To contact the list owner, send email to $LIST-owner@climber.org
For general info on Climber.Org send any message to info@climber.org
List charters, rules, and help are at http://www.climber.org/lists/
Help is also available by sending 'help' to lists@climber.org

your message is below
===================================================================
ENDNONSUBSCRIBERPOST


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From: Malcolm Turnbull <malcolm.turnbull@oxygen-solutions.com>
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I'm sure that this must be a really simple permissions problem...

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
stealth-announce-list
:include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
    (expanded from: stealth-announce-list)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce... Cannot
open /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce: World writable
directory
554 stealth-announce-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken

What is the problem ? Which user is trying to access the list ?
Running this on basic RedHat 6.0 system.


Thanks in advance.


Regards,
Malcolm.

Malcolm Turnbull
IT Manager
Oxygen Solutions Ltd
Regal House
70 London Road
Twickenham
TW1 3QS
Tel: (020) 87444600
Fax: (020) 87444601
Web: http://www.oxygen-solutions.com/


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I have mj2 setup at work, and am having a problem with it where if email
is sent from MS Outlook with an empty body, it neither hits the archive or
goes to the list ...

Looking at the mail log, I can see it go through:

Mar 30 11:21:50 new-relay sendmail[10549]: e2UFLo610549: from=<kerri@exch.ACADIAU.CA>, size=1342, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<E607FA67F85FD311A7D400A024B226E1140C62@exch-128.acadiau.ca>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=root@relay.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.90]
Mar 30 11:21:51 new-relay sendmail[10551]: e2UFLp610551: clone e2UFLo610549, owner=owner-unixs
Mar 30 11:21:54 new-relay sendmail[10551]: e2UFLp610551: to="|/usr/local/lib/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d acadiau.ca -l unixs", ctladdr=<unixs@new-relay.acadiau.ca> (1/0), delay=00:00:04, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=30656, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Mar 30 11:21:58 new-relay sendmail[10570]: e2UFLw610570: from=<majordomo-owner@acadiau.ca>, size=2037, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200003301521.e2UFLw610570@new-relay.acadiau.ca>, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Mar 30 11:21:59 new-relay sendmail[10572]: e2UFLw610570: to=<unixs-owner@acadiau.ca>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=122037, relay=relay.acadiau.ca. [131.162.2.90], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (LAA14616 Message accepted for delivery)

But never appear to get anything delivered to the 'unixs-owner' account
... and can't seem to find out how it knows where that account is?  Where
is this configured in 'configedit'?

and, while I'm here, has anyone else noticed similar problems with either
Outlook or empty message bodies?

This is maybe a day old from the CVS repository ...

Thanks ...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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Hi!

I'm using MajorCool 1.3.1 on AIX 4.2.1 and, since a couple of days, it
failed with the following error in my http error log file:

[30/Mar/2000:10:14:27] failure: for host host1.hec.ca trying to GET
/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi, cgi-parse-output reports:
the CGI program /usr/netscape/suitespot/docs/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi did
not produce a valid header
(program terminated without a valid CGI header. Check for core dump or
other abnormal termination)

Here is the content of a part of the majorcool.cgi script:

# Read and execute the Majordomo .cf file
$cf = $ENV{MAJORDOMO_CF};
die("$cf not readable; stopped") unless -r $cf;
die("inclusion of $cf failed $@") unless require "$cf";


Now, if I replace the last line of that paragraph by the following line:

require  "$cf";
now everything is OK
The script does not die!!

I'm not very familiar with perl,
What is the difference between those two lines ?
What can it cause to died ?

Is it something with permissions, ownership of that file ?
Is it my wrapper who get wrong ?


Thanks for your help
Eddy
--
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Hi!
<p>I'm using MajorCool 1.3.1 on AIX 4.2.1 and, since a couple of days,
it failed with the following error in my http error log file:
<p>[30/Mar/2000:10:14:27] failure: for host host1.hec.ca trying to GET
/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi, cgi-parse-output reports:
<br>the CGI program /usr/netscape/suitespot/docs/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi
did not produce a valid header
<br>(program terminated without a valid CGI header. Check for core dump
or other abnormal termination)
<p>Here is the content of a part of the majorcool.cgi script:
<p># Read and execute the Majordomo .cf file
<br>$cf = $ENV{MAJORDOMO_CF};
<br>die("$cf not readable; stopped") unless -r $cf;
<br><b>die("inclusion of $cf failed $@") unless require "$cf";</b>
<br>&nbsp;
<p>Now, if I replace the last line of that paragraph by the following line:
<br><b>require&nbsp; "$cf";</b>
<br>now everything is OK
<br>The script does not die!!
<p>I'm not very familiar with perl,
<br>What is the difference between those two lines ?
<br>What can it cause to died ?
<p>Is it something with permissions, ownership of that file ?
<br>Is it my wrapper who get wrong ?
<br>&nbsp;
<p>Thanks for your help
<br>Eddy
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Check your permissions on the 
/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce directory.  It is set 
to group writable.  Majordomo will not use any info in a group writable 
directory for security reasons. Set your permissions to exclude the group 
write and it should clear up the problem.

Dave

At 08:30 AM 3/30/00 +0100, Malcolm Turnbull wrote:

>I'm sure that this must be a really simple permissions problem...
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>stealth-announce-list
>:include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
>     (expanded from: stealth-announce-list)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>550 :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce... Cannot
>open /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce: World writable
>directory
>554 stealth-announce-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken
>
>What is the problem ? Which user is trying to access the list ?
>Running this on basic RedHat 6.0 system.
>
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Regards,
>Malcolm.
>
>Malcolm Turnbull
>IT Manager
>Oxygen Solutions Ltd
>Regal House
>70 London Road
>Twickenham
>TW1 3QS
>Tel: (020) 87444600
>Fax: (020) 87444601
>Web: http://www.oxygen-solutions.com/


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To: Michael Yount <csf@moscow.com>
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Michael Yount wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 02:16:25AM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > 
> > any docs on it?  under the old, I'd set restrict_post to the file that
> > contained the list, as well as a special file, but restrict_post doesn't
> > sound like its the same in mj2 (or I'm reading it wrong) ...
> 
> It's not the same.  There are two different settings I've used
> to cut down on UCE.
> 
> configset LIST admin_headers <<THEEND
> !/(To|Cc):.*LIST/i
> THEEND
> 
> will cause the list owners to be consulted if a message does not
> have the list name in its To: or Cc: headers.
> 
> Also, the access rule
> 
> post
> consult
> !@MAIN
> 
> will cause posts from undubscribed addresses to be sent to 
> the list owners for confirmation.
> 
> It's also possible to deny such messages outright, instead of
> involving  the list owners.

okay, just printed off the access_rules help file also ... damn, th eonly
thing missing is the kitchen sink ...

What I'd like to do is set it up so that you can post if you are on the
list itself, or are on a seperate list ... I found the @auxlist directive,
so figure something like:

post
consult
!@MAIN OR !@auxlist=??

normally, in the old majordomo, I would have set it to something like
/usr/local/majordomo/lists/<listname> ... how do I do that under
Majordomo2, and can an example be added to the help file?

Also, just before Section 2, there is an example that contains a @banned
variable, but, from what I can tell, its never set anywhere?  and there
is/are no examples on how to do so?

Thanks ...


 > 
> Michael
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks...
> > 
> > Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> > Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
> > primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 


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 What do I put in the .wilma/archive.cf files to make wilma list DAILY
 archives..  currently it's only looking for 2 digit month and year
 archives.. so it's listing my daily archives with the same numbers..  i.e.
 
 ,2003
 ,2003
 ,2003
 
 Even though these are 3 different days.. hehe..
 
 Anyone have the regular expression I need, to replace the current 2 digit
 one in the .cf files?  Thanks!
 
      -Mike
      -VVM
 
 
 



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On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 11:33:36AM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> I have mj2 setup at work, and am having a problem with it where if email
> is sent from MS Outlook with an empty body, it neither hits the archive or
> goes to the list ...
> 
> Looking at the mail log, I can see it go through:
[splice]
> 
> But never appear to get anything delivered to the 'unixs-owner' account
> ... and can't seem to find out how it knows where that account is?  Where
> is this configured in 'configedit'?
> 
> and, while I'm here, has anyone else noticed similar problems with either
> Outlook or empty message bodies?
> 
> This is maybe a day old from the CVS repository ...

Messages with empty body parts sent to mailing lists will be flagged
as having a duplicate checksum, and the owner will be consulted.

Make sure that there is an owner defined for the list using
  configshow LIST owners

The latest CVS source has an incomplete bounce parser.  I've 
found that commenting out this line in lib/Bf/Parser.pm:
    ($ok, %data) = parse_dsn($ent);
solved the owner problem.  You will also want to delete the accumulated
mjo* messages in your Mj2 tmp directory, if there are any.

Michael

> 
> Thanks ...
> 
> Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
> primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 
> 
> 
> 

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Tobias Burnus wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> we use a Majordomo 1.94.5 list as generalized e-mail receiver list (and
> for internal communiction). We therefore cannot disallow the reception
> of email originating of non-subscribed senders.
> 
> In order to decrease the number of spam, which the list receives, we
> would like to block all e-mails, which don't contain the list address in
> the from or cc header (this would be list@*.foo.bar and list@foo.bar).
> How can this be done? (This would be a reversed Taboo header.)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tobias

Here is what "I" do to guarantee that messages are TO or CC the
majordomo mailing list.

1.  Make sure procmail is installed on the system.
2.  Set alias for main list address to use procmail like this;
	list:   "|/usr/local/bin/procmail -f- /home/mj1945/filters/list",nobody
3.  The filters/list file looks like this;
	:0fhw
	* !^TO_list@my.domain\.com
	| formail -I "X-ApprovalRequired: true"

	:0
	| /home/mj1945/wrapper resend -l list list-outgoing,nobody

Now, anytime a message is delivered to list@my.domain.com without the
proper To: or Cc: (I think Bcc: works too), it bounces to the list-owner
for approval or rejection.

Dan

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You are correct about the permissions, but wrong about the reason. 
Majordomo does not care about the group write attribute, Sendmail 8.9.x
and higher does.  Doing a `chmod 750 /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists`
should do the trick.

Looking closely, majordomo is not even involved in this list.  If
majordomo was being used, the list would expand to
|/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l stealth-announce-list
stealth-announce-list-outgoing

Dan

Dave Moyer wrote:
> 
> Check your permissions on the
> /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce directory.  It is set
> to group writable.  Majordomo will not use any info in a group writable
> directory for security reasons. Set your permissions to exclude the group
> write and it should clear up the problem.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 08:30 AM 3/30/00 +0100, Malcolm Turnbull wrote:
> 
> >I'm sure that this must be a really simple permissions problem...
> >
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> >stealth-announce-list
> >:include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
> >     (expanded from: stealth-announce-list)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> >550 :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce... Cannot
> >open /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce: World writable
> >directory
> >554 stealth-announce-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken
> >
> >What is the problem ? Which user is trying to access the list ?
> >Running this on basic RedHat 6.0 system.
> >
> >
> >Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >Malcolm.
> >
> >Malcolm Turnbull
> >IT Manager
> >Oxygen Solutions Ltd
> >Regal House
> >70 London Road
> >Twickenham
> >TW1 3QS
> >Tel: (020) 87444600
> >Fax: (020) 87444601
> >Web: http://www.oxygen-solutions.com/

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Thanks for all the replies !

Removing world writeable from all of the directories has solved that
particular problem.

But now this message is driving me insane !

The original message was received at Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:44:38 -0500
from majordomo@localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
stealth-announce-list
:include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
    (expanded from: stealth-announce-list)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce... Cannot
open /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce: No such file or
directory
554 stealth-announce-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken

If I su to Daemon I can use vi to open this file so what is the problem ?
Which user is trying to open the file ? Sendmail? (I assume that means
Daemon?)





Regards,
Malcolm.

Malcolm Turnbull
IT Manager
Oxygen Solutions Ltd
Regal House
70 London Road
Twickenham
TW1 3QS
Tel: (020) 87444600
Fax: (020) 87444601
Web: http://www.oxygen-solutions.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Liston [mailto:dan@sonny.org]
Sent: 31 March 2000 08:50
To: Dave Moyer
Cc: Malcolm Turnbull; majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Please Help !


You are correct about the permissions, but wrong about the reason. 
Majordomo does not care about the group write attribute, Sendmail 8.9.x
and higher does.  Doing a `chmod 750 /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists`
should do the trick.

Looking closely, majordomo is not even involved in this list.  If
majordomo was being used, the list would expand to
|/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l stealth-announce-list
stealth-announce-list-outgoing

Dan

Dave Moyer wrote:
> 
> Check your permissions on the
> /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce directory.  It is set
> to group writable.  Majordomo will not use any info in a group writable
> directory for security reasons. Set your permissions to exclude the group
> write and it should clear up the problem.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 08:30 AM 3/30/00 +0100, Malcolm Turnbull wrote:
> 
> >I'm sure that this must be a really simple permissions problem...
> >
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> >stealth-announce-list
> >:include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
> >     (expanded from: stealth-announce-list)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> >550 :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce...
Cannot
> >open /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce: World writable
> >directory
> >554 stealth-announce-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken
> >
> >What is the problem ? Which user is trying to access the list ?
> >Running this on basic RedHat 6.0 system.
> >
> >
> >Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >Malcolm.
> >
> >Malcolm Turnbull
> >IT Manager
> >Oxygen Solutions Ltd
> >Regal House
> >70 London Road
> >Twickenham
> >TW1 3QS
> >Tel: (020) 87444600
> >Fax: (020) 87444601
> >Web: http://www.oxygen-solutions.com/

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I'm sure this is something obvious, but I'm not finding it...

I have a bunch of lists that are moving off my list server
to another system - where the list names are entirely different,
and the server owner does NOT want me forwarding old mail.

I have been asked to bounce any mail sent to these old addresses
with a message that says something to the effect:

  "The mailing list you have tried to use has been moved.
   Please access the news lists at http://blah.com."

Is there a simply way to do this?

Thanks,

-Tim

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Malcolm
I'd suspect your aliases file has a typo:

> :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
                                      ||||

Have you install in the directory majordomo or major-o-domo

Change that (if majorodomo-1.94.5 is not the directory you meant) and run
newaliases

Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malcolm Turnbull" <malcolm.turnbull@oxygen-solutions.com>
To: "'Dan Liston'" <dan@sonny.org>; "Dave Moyer" <dmoyer@libpubinc.com>
Cc: <>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: Please Help !


> Thanks for all the replies !
>
> Removing world writeable from all of the directories has solved that
> particular problem.
>
> But now this message is driving me insane !
>
> The original message was received at Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:44:38 -0500
> from majordomo@localhost
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> stealth-announce-list
> :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
>     (expanded from: stealth-announce-list)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 550 :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce... Cannot
> open /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce: No such file or
> directory
> 554 stealth-announce-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken
>
> If I su to Daemon I can use vi to open this file so what is the problem ?
> Which user is trying to open the file ? Sendmail? (I assume that means
> Daemon?)
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Malcolm.
>
> Malcolm Turnbull
> IT Manager
> Oxygen Solutions Ltd
> Regal House
> 70 London Road
> Twickenham
> TW1 3QS
> Tel: (020) 87444600
> Fax: (020) 87444601
> Web: http://www.oxygen-solutions.com/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Liston [mailto:dan@sonny.org]
> Sent: 31 March 2000 08:50
> To: Dave Moyer
> Cc: Malcolm Turnbull; majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: Please Help !
>
>
> You are correct about the permissions, but wrong about the reason.
> Majordomo does not care about the group write attribute, Sendmail 8.9.x
> and higher does.  Doing a `chmod 750 /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists`
> should do the trick.
>
> Looking closely, majordomo is not even involved in this list.  If
> majordomo was being used, the list would expand to
> |/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l stealth-announce-list
> stealth-announce-list-outgoing
>
> Dan
>
> Dave Moyer wrote:
> >
> > Check your permissions on the
> > /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce directory.  It is
set
> > to group writable.  Majordomo will not use any info in a group writable
> > directory for security reasons. Set your permissions to exclude the
group
> > write and it should clear up the problem.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 08:30 AM 3/30/00 +0100, Malcolm Turnbull wrote:
> >
> > >I'm sure that this must be a really simple permissions problem...
> > >
> > >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > >stealth-announce-list
> > >:include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
> > >     (expanded from: stealth-announce-list)
> > >
> > >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > >550 :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce...
> Cannot
> > >open /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce: World
writable
> > >directory
> > >554 stealth-announce-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken
> > >
> > >What is the problem ? Which user is trying to access the list ?
> > >Running this on basic RedHat 6.0 system.
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Malcolm.
> > >
> > >Malcolm Turnbull
> > >IT Manager
> > >Oxygen Solutions Ltd
> > >Regal House
> > >70 London Road
> > >Twickenham
> > >TW1 3QS
> > >Tel: (020) 87444600
> > >Fax: (020) 87444601
> > >Web: http://www.oxygen-solutions.com/
>


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sendmail - 8.9.3
perl- 5.00503
redhat 6.1
majordomo-1.94.5

I can't seem to make it work. I have installed a couple of mailing list
(majordomo) both in a 5.2 Red hat 

I am getting frustrated. What's wrong?

Grace M. Garcia                                 
Iphil Communications, A PSINet company  
Makati, Philippines



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An autoresponder that would take the place of MD for those lists, maybe?

At 07:05 AM 3/31/00 -0500, Tim Hewitt wrote:
>I'm sure this is something obvious, but I'm not finding it...
>
>I have a bunch of lists that are moving off my list server
>to another system - where the list names are entirely different,
>and the server owner does NOT want me forwarding old mail.
>
>I have been asked to bounce any mail sent to these old addresses
>with a message that says something to the effect:
>
>   "The mailing list you have tried to use has been moved.
>    Please access the news lists at http://blah.com."
>
>Is there a simply way to do this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Tim


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The way I am reading the error, you have an alias called
stealth-announce-list which expands into your include file of
stealth-announce. (no -list in the filename)  Either the file is named
wrong, or your alias for the list is setup wrong.

Here is what I am guessing you are trying to do;

(aliases file)
stealth-announce: "|/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l
stealth-announce stealth-announce-list",
stealth-announce-list:
:include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce,
owner-stealth-announce: malcolm,
owner-stealth-announce-list: malcolm,
stealth-announce-approval: malcolm,

(directrory tree)
/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/
/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce.config


IF those settings are not your intent, consider;

(aliases file)
stealth-announce-list: "|/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend 
		-l stealth-announce-list stealth-announce-list-outgoing",
stealth-announce-list-outgoing:
:include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce-list,
owner-stealth-announce-list: malcolm,
owner-stealth-announce-list-outgoing: malcolm,
stealth-announce-list-approval: malcolm,

(directrory tree)
/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/
/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce-list
/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce-list.config


Dan

Malcolm Turnbull wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the replies !
> 
> Removing world writeable from all of the directories has solved that
> particular problem.
> 
> But now this message is driving me insane !
> 
> The original message was received at Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:44:38 -0500
> from majordomo@localhost
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> stealth-announce-list
> :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
>     (expanded from: stealth-announce-list)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 550 :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce... Cannot
> open /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce: No such file or
> directory
> 554 stealth-announce-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken
> 
> If I su to Daemon I can use vi to open this file so what is the problem ?
> Which user is trying to open the file ? Sendmail? (I assume that means
> Daemon?)
> 
> Regards,
> Malcolm.
> 
> Malcolm Turnbull
> IT Manager
> Oxygen Solutions Ltd
> Regal House
> 70 London Road
> Twickenham
> TW1 3QS
> Tel: (020) 87444600
> Fax: (020) 87444601
> Web: http://www.oxygen-solutions.com/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Liston [mailto:dan@sonny.org]
> Sent: 31 March 2000 08:50
> To: Dave Moyer
> Cc: Malcolm Turnbull; majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: Please Help !
> 
> You are correct about the permissions, but wrong about the reason.
> Majordomo does not care about the group write attribute, Sendmail 8.9.x
> and higher does.  Doing a `chmod 750 /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists`
> should do the trick.
> 
> Looking closely, majordomo is not even involved in this list.  If
> majordomo was being used, the list would expand to
> |/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l stealth-announce-list
> stealth-announce-list-outgoing
> 
> Dan
> 
> Dave Moyer wrote:
> >
> > Check your permissions on the
> > /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce directory.  It is set
> > to group writable.  Majordomo will not use any info in a group writable
> > directory for security reasons. Set your permissions to exclude the group
> > write and it should clear up the problem.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 08:30 AM 3/30/00 +0100, Malcolm Turnbull wrote:
> >
> > >I'm sure that this must be a really simple permissions problem...
> > >
> > >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > >stealth-announce-list
> > >:include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce
> > >     (expanded from: stealth-announce-list)
> > >
> > >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > >550 :include:/usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce...
> Cannot
> > >open /usr/local/majorodomo-1.94.5/lists/stealth-announce: World writable
> > >directory
> > >554 stealth-announce-list... aliasing/forwarding loop broken
> > >
> > >What is the problem ? Which user is trying to access the list ?
> > >Running this on basic RedHat 6.0 system.
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Malcolm.
> > >
> > >Malcolm Turnbull
> > >IT Manager
> > >Oxygen Solutions Ltd
> > >Regal House
> > >70 London Road
> > >Twickenham
> > >TW1 3QS
> > >Tel: (020) 87444600
> > >Fax: (020) 87444601
> > >Web: http://www.oxygen-solutions.com/

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Asfihani wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> When I run majordomo on my RedHat 6.0 box I got this message :
> 
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... Service unavailable
> 
> but if I run it under Slacwackware or FreeBSD nothing wrong...
> I already search for manul or FAQ ...but unfortunately I can't find the
> solution. Any ideas ?
> 
I am not sure what version of Sendmail slackware or freebsd use, or what
features they set by "default".  RedHat uses sendmail 8.9.3 with "smrsh"
enabled.  This requires a link in /etc/smrsh to the majordomo/wrapper.

cd /etc/smrsh; ln -s /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper

Dan

PS.  This is covered in section 2.11 of the FAQ.

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> From: "Grace M. Garcia" <gmg@iphil.net>
> sendmail - 8.9.3
> perl- 5.00503
> redhat 6.1
> majordomo-1.94.5
>
> I can't seem to make it work. I have installed a couple of mailing list
> (majordomo) both in a 5.2 Red hat 
>
> I am getting frustrated. What's wrong?

How can one guess what is wrong?

HTH

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If those are a 2 digit month and year, why doesn't it show as 0003.  You
have a 2 digit "century" showing rather than the year.  If you are
archiving daily, you would want MMDD (0331) and perhaps use
subdirectories for each fully qualified year (2000), or use 6 digits.

I am not a wilma user, so shooting in the dark I would say to use a
filename like;
listname.`date +%y%m%d`
This changes automatically every day.

Michael Cannon wrote:
> 
>  What do I put in the .wilma/archive.cf files to make wilma list DAILY
>  archives..  currently it's only looking for 2 digit month and year
>  archives.. so it's listing my daily archives with the same numbers..  i.e.
> 
>  ,2003
>  ,2003
>  ,2003
> 
>  Even though these are 3 different days.. hehe..
> 
>  Anyone have the regular expression I need, to replace the current 2 digit
>  one in the .cf files?  Thanks!
> 
>       -Mike
>       -VVM
> 
> 
>

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I have never seen a configuration like yours.  Then again, I do not use
mhonarc or postfix.  Is
/usr/local/etc/httpd/http-sparkie/archives/coyote the zubscriber file,
or the archive?  Are the two addresses you provided the postfix way of
aliasing?  Why would this be a majordomo problem if all your other
archives are working?  This really looks a lot more like a permissions
or ownerships problem.  Actually, it looks like an mhonarc problem.  It
could be something as simple as a typo in a config file.

"Christopher A. Adams" wrote:
> 
> I have a list that is repeatedly receiving a message from one address that
> was zubscribed, though I have since unzubscribed it. I am using Postfix
> for an MTA. I looked at the queue (using mailq) and see the following:
> 
> (temporary failure. Command output: Trying to create lock ...  ERROR:
> Unable to
> lock /usr/local/etc/httpd/http-sparkie/archives/coyote after 10 tries )
> 
> coyote-archive@sparkie.osl.state.or.us
> coyote-outgoing@sparkie.osl.state.or.us
> 
> I am writing to an archive using mhonarc. I have the archives set up like
> all my other archives, correct permissions, etc. I have queried the
> Postfix mail list and this appears to be a Majordomo problem. The archive
> isn't being written to apparently because of the "failure to create lock".
> 
> Can anyone enlighten me?
> 
> Christopher Adams
> Automated Systems
> Oregon State Library
> chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us

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From: Marilyn Davis <marilyn@deliberate.com>
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It sure sounds crazy to me ... not to forward the mail.  It's sort
of hostile to the users if I understand you right.

But, I think you want the "canned_reply" facility.  I'm not sure where
you get it because our sysadmin put it in here.  But that's what you
want, I think.

Good luck.

Marilyn Davis, Ph.D.
eVote - online polling software for email lists
http://www.deliberate.com 
marilyn@deliberate.com    
+1 650 965-7121  (USA)
                          


On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Tim Hewitt wrote:

> I'm sure this is something obvious, but I'm not finding it...
> 
> I have a bunch of lists that are moving off my list server
> to another system - where the list names are entirely different,
> and the server owner does NOT want me forwarding old mail.
> 
> I have been asked to bounce any mail sent to these old addresses
> with a message that says something to the effect:
> 
>   "The mailing list you have tried to use has been moved.
>    Please access the news lists at http://blah.com."
> 
> Is there a simply way to do this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Tim
> 


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How does one handle a phantom address?  A user subscribed to one of our lists with
a bad address, which was later corrected.  The bad address was removed from the
subscriber list, yet we continue to receive bounces from it.  An example follows:
---
Subject:         Message status - undeliverable
   Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:59:25 -0500
   From:         Mailer-Daemon@bm1.linden.k12.mi.us
     To:         owner-rmsusers@match.org

The message that you sent was undeliverable to the following:
        josh@www.lindenschools.org

Transcript of session follows:
        DATA
        503 Bad command sequence
---
Could the problem actually be from an auto-forwarding utility on the user's side
of the equation?  I've checked and rechecked but the above address is definitely
NOT in the subscriber file.  Any ideas?

Jim

-- 
Jim Francis-Bohr				Network Administrator
Michigan Disability Rights Coalition		517.333.2477 voice
740 West Lake Lansing Road, Suite 400		517.333.2677 fax
East Lansing, MI 48823				jbohr@match.org

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Subject: Re: Archiving seperation (wilma)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:57:09 -0600
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The default wilma config uses monthly archiving as it's default..  (yymm)..
which, the majordomo archive file is named archive.yymm.  When I change
majordomo to daily archiving, it changes the format to archive.yymmdd.

Here is the current wilma config option:

# [ wilma wilma_reindex ]
# A Perl regular expression returning the year and month numbers
# in $1 and $2, respectively, from the HTML archive directory
# name. Backslashes must be doubled due to configuration variable
# interpolation.

ARC_REGEX  = ((?:19|20)?\\d\\d)(\\d\\d)$

which to me, reads like a foriegn film.. since I don't know regular
expressions from french. =)

I do not know why wilma is picking up '20' as $1, and "03" as $2..  wierd..

As for wilma listing the daily archives as ",2003", that's the year it's
thinking it's reading...  my monthly archives look correct, it lists each
month as "March, 2000", etc..


     -Mike
     -VVM


----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Liston <dan@sonny.org>
To: Michael Cannon <cannon@vvm.com>
Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Archiving seperation (wilma)


| If those are a 2 digit month and year, why doesn't it show as 0003.  You
| have a 2 digit "century" showing rather than the year.  If you are
| archiving daily, you would want MMDD (0331) and perhaps use
| subdirectories for each fully qualified year (2000), or use 6 digits.
|
| I am not a wilma user, so shooting in the dark I would say to use a
| filename like;
| listname.`date +%y%m%d`
| This changes automatically every day.
|
| Michael Cannon wrote:
| >
| >  What do I put in the .wilma/archive.cf files to make wilma list DAILY
| >  archives..  currently it's only looking for 2 digit month and year
| >  archives.. so it's listing my daily archives with the same numbers..
i.e.
| >
| >  ,2003
| >  ,2003
| >  ,2003
| >
| >  Even though these are 3 different days.. hehe..
| >
| >  Anyone have the regular expression I need, to replace the current 2
digit
| >  one in the .cf files?  Thanks!
| >
| >       -Mike
| >       -VVM
| >
| >
| >
|


From majordomo-users-owner  Fri Mar 31 11:57:39 2000
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Any body got a good solution for archiving for ver 1.94.5?  One that would
be easy to interface with an apache web front end...

Thanks!
Tim


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What seems to be the problem/error/difficulty?  More info needed.

At 11:30 PM 3/31/00 +0800, Grace M. Garcia wrote:

>sendmail - 8.9.3
>perl- 5.00503
>redhat 6.1
>majordomo-1.94.5
>
>I can't seem to make it work. I have installed a couple of mailing list
>(majordomo) both in a 5.2 Red hat
>
>I am getting frustrated. What's wrong?
>
>Grace M. Garcia
>Iphil Communications, A PSINet company
>Makati, Philippines


From majordomo-users-owner  Fri Mar 31 13:28:16 2000
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From: Victor M Vega Villa <victorm@celula.cell.cinvestav.mx>
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Hi, 
I'm setting up Majordomo last version on a Solaris 7 intel box with
sendmail 8.9.3 +sun and the last version of perl.

I did follow steps mentioned in INSTALL and NEWLIST docs and I have this
questions:

Installation,
a) when creating the majordomo account, I did use mdomo due majordomo is
declarede to large, I made an alias in /etc/aliases called majordomo for
mdomo, is this correct? moreover, the INSTALL file is not explicit about
the home directory for the user majordomo, what must I do regarding the
stuf?

anyway, I finish the installation procedure whitout error messages.

Creating lists,

a) in the NEWLIST file, in step 7 one read:

7) Now issue a 'config <listname> <listname>.admin' command to
   Majordomo. bla, bla ...

How may I issue this command? with a mail? with an installed or
decompressed script?

I think (I hope so), I just need configure my first list, however, I don't
know how to send the config list command to majordomo,

Could You please give me an idea?

In advance thanks for the Your help

Victor Vega
victorm@cell.cinvestav.mx
CINVESTAV-IPN, Mexico


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Can you check your mail log and be sure you're not sending anything
to this address?  If you're not, then it's on the user's side.


Marilyn Davis, Ph.D.
eVote - online polling software for email lists
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Jim Bohr wrote:

> How does one handle a phantom address?  A user subscribed to one of our lists with
> a bad address, which was later corrected.  The bad address was removed from the
> subscriber list, yet we continue to receive bounces from it.  An example follows:
> ---
> Subject:         Message status - undeliverable
>    Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:59:25 -0500
>    From:         Mailer-Daemon@bm1.linden.k12.mi.us
>      To:         owner-rmsusers@match.org
> 
> The message that you sent was undeliverable to the following:
>         josh@www.lindenschools.org
> 
> Transcript of session follows:
>         DATA
>         503 Bad command sequence
> ---
> Could the problem actually be from an auto-forwarding utility on the user's side
> of the equation?  I've checked and rechecked but the above address is definitely
> NOT in the subscriber file.  Any ideas?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -- 
> Jim Francis-Bohr				Network Administrator
> Michigan Disability Rights Coalition		517.333.2477 voice
> 740 West Lake Lansing Road, Suite 400		517.333.2677 fax
> East Lansing, MI 48823				jbohr@match.org
> 


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Jim Bohr wrote:

> Could the problem actually be from an auto-forwarding utility on the user's side
> of the equation?  I've checked and rechecked but the above address is definitely
> NOT in the subscriber file.  Any ideas?

Quote one of the messages and let the gurus examine the routing.  Make
sure to quote the entire message including all the headers.
-- 
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Dan Liston wrote:

> > In order to decrease the number of spam, which the list receives, we
> > would like to block all e-mails, which don't contain the list address in
> > the from or cc header (this would be list@*.foo.bar and list@foo.bar).
> 1.  Make sure procmail is installed on the system.
> 2.  Set alias for main list address to use procmail like this;

Our method is more of a kludge than anything, but it effectively does
just what the original poster was asking.  The main machine which
receives mail for the internal network handles all mail as local mail,
except for the following cases, which get rewritten to the second
column:
	majordomo@cerritoslug.org	majordomo@cerritoslug.org
	majordomo@linxsys.com		majordomo@cerritoslug.org
	cerritoslug@cerritoslug.org	cerritoslug@cerritoslug.org
	cerritos_lug@linxsys.com	cerritoslug@cerritoslug.org
		*** note the last one is the old list name.

cerritoslug.org is designated in sendmail.cf as a local domain (ie don't
go to dns to find it) and it gets sent to the second sendmail machine on
the internal network (the LUG mail server).  ANY email coming in to the
main sendmail that does not match one of those 4 forwarded (rewritten)
aliases, gets treated as bad local mail.

Kind of the long way around the barn, but it gets the job done. 
Unfortunately, it adds another Received: line in the headers, but that's
livable.  I could strip them if I wanted to, but that deletes any
routing information we may need to solve problems in the future.
-- 
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