From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 1 05:49:01 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id FAA01002; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 05:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from testsystem.server0.de (pD951A26C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.162.108]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D2917ECB for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 05:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from testsystem.server0.de (jonas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testsystem.server0.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fA1Dd5xK001348 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:39:05 +0100 Received: (from jonas@localhost) by testsystem.server0.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) id fA1Dd1pU001346 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:39:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:39:01 +0100 From: Jonas Meurer To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: problems with permissions Message-ID: <20011101143901.A1328@testsystem.server0.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hey ho, I've problems with permissions: I've created lists/test, and now I wanted to test with 'echo 'lists' | mail majordomo, but he sayed: collect: Cannot write ./dffA102I9T006618 (bfcommit, uid=30, gid=8): Permission \ denied queueup: cannot create queue temp file ./tffA102I9T006618, uid=30: Permission \ denied What's the problem? By the way, my path is /usr/local/majordomo/, it's owned by majordom.majordom and i was majordom when I tried it. Bye Jonas -- | .-. | 2nd mail: bilbo.beutlin@mail.de | jmeurer.dnsalias.org | /v\ | ****************************************************** | /( )\ | **** Linux is like a wigwam: **** | ^^ ^^ | **** no windows, no gates and an apache inside! **** From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 1 07:03:48 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA01972; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 06:56:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.137]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F3217ECB for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 06:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from popi-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (pop500 [128.183.254.135]) by popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16924; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.183.234.170] (gse-g4.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.234.170]) by popi-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26520; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rjacobso@pop500.gsfc.nasa.gov Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:56:02 -0500 To: Tom_E._Hart@HUD.GOV, majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Robert C Jacobson Subject: Re: Installing Majordomo on OS X Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have it working on a OS X Server. Here are the things I had to do (other than the steps in the install document): 1. In majordomo.cf, I had to hardcode the default $homedir to /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5 2. created the directory /usr/adm/sm.bin and symlinked wrapper (wrapper -> /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper) I *think* that's it. At 1:50 PM -0500 10/31/01, Tom_E._Hart@HUD.GOV wrote: >Has anyone successfully installed Majordomo on a machine running OS X? > >My setup is OS 10.1, running sendmail as the SMTP server, qpopper as the >POP3 server. Sendmail works fine for sending mail to the net, though I >haven't yet finished configuring qpopper. > >Is there anything special that needs to be set to configure Majordomo to >run successfully on OS X? > >Thanks in advance. >Tom Hart -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Robert Jacobson Robert.Jacobson@gsfc.nasa.gov BS, Aeronautical Engineering Univ. of Md., College Park Flight Ops. Team - SOlar Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 1 09:03:54 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA03166; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from crazytrain.camattin.com (dsl-64-192-134-253.telocity.com [64.192.134.253]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FD217EC5 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (camattin@localhost) by crazytrain.camattin.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fA1H13R94551 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:01:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from camattin@camattin.com) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:01:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Chris A. Mattingly" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Sendmail/majordomo alias issue Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, After 'tinkering' with the various masquerading settings in sendmail on the Solaris 8 (sendmail 8.10.2+Sun) server, I still can't get it to behave as desired. I can either get it to have the From: or the To: to use the masquerading hostname (lists.domain.com), but not both. Currently, it's successfully masquerading as lists.domain.com, but the local alias expansion is causing the To: line to become machinename.domain.com (it's official name, however, is machinename.subdomain.domain.com, FWIW). The settings currently in my .mc file are: MASQUERADE_AS(lists.domain.com) FEATURE(`allmasquerade') FEATURE(`masquerade_entire_domain') FEATURE(`masquerade_envelope') FEATURE(`stickyhost') (The stickyhost feature I thought would address the To: problem, but it didn't.) Anyone else seen this before that can point out what I've overlooked? Thanks, -Chris From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 1 09:48:56 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA03749; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from testsystem.server0.de (pD951A26C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.162.108]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6338017EC5 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from testsystem.server0.de (jonas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testsystem.server0.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fA1HjhxK003174 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:45:43 +0100 Received: (from jonas@localhost) by testsystem.server0.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) id fA1Hjh3a003172 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:45:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:45:43 +0100 From: Jonas Meurer To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: problems with permissions Message-ID: <20011101184543.A3098@testsystem.server0.de> References: <20011101143901.A1328@testsystem.server0.de> <3BE173D7.87F24B6F@iplanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3BE173D7.87F24B6F@iplanet.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 10:09:59AM -0600, Daniel Liston wrote: > Your problem is with your MTA, not majordomo. By the > looks of your error message, mail is not even getting > to majordomo. Try to `echo lists | mail bfcommit` to > see if you get the same error. If you do, your UID > is not allowed to use the 'mail' command. Yes, there's also a simmilar error. Witch directory-permissions do I have to change? Bye Jonas -- | .-. | 2nd mail: bilbo.beutlin@mail.de | jmeurer.dnsalias.org | /v\ | ****************************************************** | /( )\ | **** Linux is like a wigwam: **** | ^^ ^^ | **** no windows, no gates and an apache inside! **** From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 1 10:04:05 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA03645; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomgrazioli.tomgrazioli.com (tomgrazioli.tomgrazioli.com [66.70.191.16]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2E917EC5 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from yfnse (user114.buildersfirstsource.com [63.117.69.114] (may be forged)) by tomgrazioli.tomgrazioli.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fA1HYUU14838; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:34:31 -0500 Message-ID: <01c101c162fa$bf0d23e0$655a4d20@yfnse> From: "troop899" To: "Mike Oliver" Cc: References: <200111010214.SAA27613@mpk07.Eng.Sun.COM> Subject: Re: Problems with headers Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:29:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thank you to Mike and Roger, both your suggestions were correct! I did indeed have a "-h 1" in my resend line in my aliases file, why I do not know. It is gone now. My majordomo.cf was a bit hosed, and was not picking up the $whoami = hostname line correctly. I fixed that as well. I also added my userid to the Trusted users in sendmail.cf it seems to much better, now. Thanks to you both! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Oliver" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Problems with headers > "troop899" wrote: > > > X-Authentication-Warning:santeelodge.org: santeelodge set sender to > > owner-santee@1 using -f > > That header is inserted by your MTA (usually sendmail) because it > hasn't been told to "trust" the user 'santeelodge'. You can get rid > of the header by telling the MTA that 'santeelodge' can be trusted. > The details of how to do that will vary from one MTA to another. > Traditionally for sendmail you'd add a line: > > Tsanteelodge > > to sendmail.cf, alongside whatever trusted users are already listed. > (usually 'daemon', 'root' and 'uucp'.) If you're using the m4-based > configuration then you'd usually activate 'use_ct_file' and read the > list of trusted usernames from a separate file named sendmail.ct. > > > The owner-santee@1 thing is obviously wrong... And this: > > Right, that's much more important. The right-hand side of that address > ("1") is built from the $whereami variable defined in your > majordomo.cf. What does: > > grep '^\$whereami' majordomo.cf > > show? > > > How do I fix this, should I bother, > > Yes you should fix it. If you leave it as is then any reports of > undeliverable mail will not get back to you, instead they'll cause a > double-bounce and leave the report in the postmaster mailbox at the > site you were trying to deliver to. Those postmasters don't need that > kind of aggravation. > > > and could this be causing ISPs like AOL > > to automatically trash my majordomo mail? > > Possibly. A paranoid mailserver might refuse to deliver mail that has > an egregiously malformed header field like that. If your list has a > lot of AOL subscribers it's also possible that AOL is refusing to let > you deliver one piece of mail to many recipients, in which case you'd > have to talk to the AOL postmaster and get them to make an exception > for your list or use something like bulk_mailer to spread out the > delivery so that any given message has only a small number of > recipients. When you've fixed the Sender header you'll start seeing > rejection notices which should tell you more about why your messages > are being trashed. > > Mike. > -- > mike.oliver@eng.sun.com > > > From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 1 11:33:53 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA04917; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5361F17EC5 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA1JW7Y21045; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:32:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3BE1A33C.AC444523@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:32:12 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: troop899 Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Problems with headers References: <009e01c16242$1c9e1410$655a4d20@yfnse> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In a sendmail environment, this means sendmail does not "trust" the majordomo user. Add Tmajordomo (assuming majordomo is the majordomo user) to your sendmail.cf and restart sendmail, or add majordomo to your trusted-users file for sendmail. From closer examination of the header line posted, it looks like your majordomo user is santeelodge. In this case, Tsanteelodge would be appropriate for the sendmail.cf. Dan Liston troop899 wrote: > > I have mysterious things happening in my majordomo-generated mail headers, > like this: > > X-Authentication-Warning:santeelodge.org: santeelodge set sender to > owner-santee@1 using -f > > The owner-santee@1 thing is obviously wrong... And this: > > Sender:owner-santee@1 > > How do I fix this, should I bother, and could this be causing ISPs like AOL > to automatically trash my majordomo mail? > > Thanks! > > Mark From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 1 12:18:53 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA05461; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B8E17EC5 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA1K92Y21170; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:09:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3BE1ABE3.BCB78E7E@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:09:07 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joey Kelly Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: poblem with $whereami References: <01103110473305.28140@rahab> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Joey, The wrapper does not know anything about your sendmail configuration, so I am almost willing to bet that you have <$whereami = `/bin/dnsdomainname`;> in your majordomo.cf, or your fully qualified hostname would not be showing up in a `wrapper config-test` output. Make sure the majordomo.cf file you are editing is the one that wrapper is using for your config-test script too. Dan Liston Joey Kelly wrote: > > Howdy. > > I've set $whereami in /etc/majordomo.cf: > > $whereami = "patientcarerx.com"; > > When I run ./wrapper-test as my normal user, I get: > > Have you configured where Majordomo is? > $whereami is server1.patientcarerx.com > > where server1 is my actual hostname, which is of course not in my published > DNS zone file. > > I've also tried putting on of my virual host domains (which is what I really, > really want to be able to do), but that also returns the actual hostname. > > I'm running SuSE 7.0 with the stock sendmail install. > > Thanks for the help :-) > -- > ______________________________________________________ > > Joey Kelly > < Minister of the Gospel | Computer Networking Consultant > > http://joeykelly.dhs.org From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 1 13:03:53 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA05999; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B315917EC5 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA1KqUY21316; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:52:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3BE1B614.1417F5F8@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:52:36 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "T. Aden" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: owner-list-outgoing as sender References: <21367495831.20011026153419@destatis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Tim, I have not seen anyone else reply to this, so I thought I would take a stab at it. Sendmail will expand aliases unless there is more than one recipient on the RHS (Right Hand Side). Typically the listname-outgoing alias or the listname address will only have one recipient. Try these aliases on for size; listname: "|/pathto/wrapper resend -l listname listname-outgoing,nobody" listname-outgoing: :include:/pathto/majordomo/lists/listname,nobody Make sure sendmail "trusts" majordomo (Tmajordom in sendmail.cf) and your listname.config file has "sender = owner-listname" and that sender or reply_to are not set to owner-listname-outgoing. Considering the virtual nature of your configuration, setting resend_host would be a good idea too. If listname-approval can not get it, using the moderator = owner-listname (even if moderate = no) might help as well. Dan Liston "StBA (VIII-IT) T. Aden" wrote: > > Hello, > > i have a problem with some e-mails where the e-mail > sender isn't the listname but something like this: > owner--outgoing. Due to my company's configuration, > only mail to listname@domain.com or owner-listname@domain.com > is allowed to reach the server where majordomo is > installed. After altering the domain name, but keeping > the old one too, i have seen some errors on the mail > server, that there is mail with owner-listname-outgoing@domain.com > as the sender. This address is not known to our mailserver, as i > haven't entered it in the /etc/mail/aliases, so naturally an error > is produced. What could cause such mails by majordomo? I thought > the internal mail with the listname-outgoing address as the sender > invokes the actual mail to be send to the list members, but stays > inside. What could that be? > > Note: all mail is sent to the majordomo server through our > internal mail server, not directly from the internet to > majordomo. On the other hand, outgoing mail from majordomo > is send via the external mail server. We don't want users to > answer to listname@server-where-majordomo-dwells.com, rather > to listname@company-domain.com. Ah, yes, and sendmail on the > majordomo server knows both domains, too. > > Thanks in advance, > > Tim Aden > tim.aden@destatis.de From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 1 16:20:15 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA08174; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from dmz2.telesciences.com (unknown [12.35.246.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DC217EB1 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from redshank.telesciences.com (redshank.telesciences.com [10.37.10.153]) by dmz2.telesciences.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7522C236 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kindred@localhost) by redshank.telesciences.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id fA20CVL28743; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:12:31 -0500 From: "David L Kindred (Dave)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15329.58606.537746.624085@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:12:30 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Resources to help convince broken clients to behave X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: d.kindred@telesciences.com Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've been using MajorDomo for internal mailing lists for many years with few problems. But of late two changes have occurred that are causing me some grief: 1) I decided to finally start using "resend" to benefit from some of its features; 2) Company policy and practice has everyone using Microsoft Outlook as their primary (or only) MUA. While searching various message archives and the 'net in general I have found lots of complaints about the different ways that Outlook misbehaves (mostly sending things to the list owner at inappropriate times), but no concise discussion of what, if anything, can be done to fix that. Perhaps that's because there isn't anything that can be done. But I don't think taking no for an answer is good enough. If there aren't any "magic incantations" to convince Outlook to behave properly, perhaps there are changes that can be made to the way resend performs. Or perhaps I need use procmail or similar to re-process mail sent to list owners and do the right thing with it. Since I doubt I'm the only one in this position, have my searches been mis-directed and there is a good resource for getting Outlook to behave? Or are there other measures I can take to get the desired result? -- David L. Kindred Unix Systems & Network Administrator Telesciences, Inc. Phone: +1 856 642 4184 2000 Midlantic Drive, Suite 410 Fax: +1 856 866 0185 Mount Laurel, NJ 08054 USA From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 06:06:54 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA19815; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 06:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMCC_EMAIL.erdc.k12.mn.us (cmcc-2-170.cmcc.k12.mn.us [209.105.119.170]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 34CB717EE5 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 06:03:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by CMCC_EMAIL.erdc.k12.mn.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <40CWR9YL>; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:07:00 -0600 Message-ID: <610AC34C33EC814FB2A28C7F7A770C9B034C55@CMCC_EMAIL.erdc.k12.mn.us> From: Scott Downing To: "'majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: error message Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:06:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C163A7.A25B1150" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C163A7.A25B1150 Content-Type: text/plain Every once in a while I get a message like this sent to me, what causes it and how do I fix it? MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! Majordomo@list.cmerdc.k12.mn.us: not replying to Mailer-Daemon to avoid mail loop. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C163A7.A25B1150 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Every once in a while I get a message like this sent = to me, what causes it and how do I fix it?

 

MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

 

Majordomo@list.cmerdc.k12.mn.us: not replying to Mailer-Daemon to avoid mail = loop.

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C163A7.A25B1150-- From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 06:48:49 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA20078; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 06:31:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28BC17EE5 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 06:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA2EUkj25166; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:30:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3BE2AE1A.5F39A372@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:30:50 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: d.kindred@telesciences.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Resources to help convince broken clients to behave References: <15329.58606.537746.624085@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk David, You really have not asked a specific "majordomo" question. Asking how to fix a misbehaving Outlook could take years to answer, and without telling us exactly "when" you think is an inappropriate time for a message that originates from outlook to be bounced to the list owner, how can we on this list help you? First a problem must be defined, then a solution can be formulated. Most of us already know that outlook is broken in unfixable ways. Which bug are you trying to "work around"? MIME encoded rich text format? This can be solved by educating the users on how to send plain text messages, or applying a demime tool to your list. Sender showing up in headers or "on behalf of"? Majordomo can be edited so this does not appear in the viewable headers of outlook clients, and list.config files can be modified so distributed messages are more outlook friendly, but may break other mail clients or introduce mail loops and more bounces. Please tell us what you are looking for, so we can help you find it. Dan Liston "David L Kindred (Dave)" wrote: > > I've been using MajorDomo for internal mailing lists for many years with > few problems. But of late two changes have occurred that are causing me > some grief: > > 1) I decided to finally start using "resend" to benefit from some of its > features; > > 2) Company policy and practice has everyone using Microsoft Outlook as > their primary (or only) MUA. > > While searching various message archives and the 'net in general I have > found lots of complaints about the different ways that Outlook > misbehaves (mostly sending things to the list owner at inappropriate > times), but no concise discussion of what, if anything, can be done to > fix that. > > Perhaps that's because there isn't anything that can be done. > > But I don't think taking no for an answer is good enough. If there > aren't any "magic incantations" to convince Outlook to behave properly, > perhaps there are changes that can be made to the way resend performs. > Or perhaps I need use procmail or similar to re-process mail sent to > list owners and do the right thing with it. > > Since I doubt I'm the only one in this position, have my searches been > mis-directed and there is a good resource for getting Outlook to behave? > Or are there other measures I can take to get the desired result? > > -- > David L. Kindred > Unix Systems & Network Administrator Telesciences, Inc. > Phone: +1 856 642 4184 2000 Midlantic Drive, Suite 410 > Fax: +1 856 866 0185 Mount Laurel, NJ 08054 USA From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 06:51:34 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA20154; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 06:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0EA17EE5 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 06:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA2EcGj25184; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:38:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3BE2AFDC.22091E8E@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:38:20 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonas Meurer Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: problems with permissions References: <20011101143901.A1328@testsystem.server0.de> <3BE173D7.87F24B6F@iplanet.com> <20011101184543.A3098@testsystem.server0.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk If your UID is not allowed to use the "mail" command, and you are not the root user or do not have root permission on the server, you will have to use a real mail client to send majordomo commands instead of echoing the command into the body of an email from a shell prompt to majordomo. (or you can ask the administrator of the server for access to the 'mail' command from your login ID) Dan Liston Jonas Meurer wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 10:09:59AM -0600, Daniel Liston wrote: > > Your problem is with your MTA, not majordomo. By the > > looks of your error message, mail is not even getting > > to majordomo. Try to `echo lists | mail bfcommit` to > > see if you get the same error. If you do, your UID > > is not allowed to use the 'mail' command. > > Yes, there's also a simmilar error. Witch directory-permissions do I > have to change? > > Bye > Jonas > > -- > | .-. | 2nd mail: bilbo.beutlin@mail.de | jmeurer.dnsalias.org > | /v\ | ****************************************************** > | /( )\ | **** Linux is like a wigwam: **** > | ^^ ^^ | **** no windows, no gates and an apache inside! **** From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 08:36:25 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA21433; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from DOMINO.udcomm.net (unknown [63.173.200.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CC117EFB for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:29:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Setting up Digests To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 Message-ID: From: mbowman@vbcomm.net Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:24:47 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DOMINO/udcomm.net/US(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 11/02/2001 11:24:48 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi I have been trawling through the archives for setting up a digest onto an existing list. Using the instructions that I observed, I changed my /etc/aliases.majordomo accordingly (see extract below) crosstalk_site7: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper -v site7 -f mail.crossroads-mansfield.org resend -l crosstalk crosstalk_site7-list crosstalk_site7-list-outgoing" crosstalk_site7-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/mail.crossroads-mansfield.org/lists/crosstalk crosstalk_site7-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper -v site7 -f mail.crossroads-mansfield.org request-answer crosstalk" crosstalk-site7-list-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/mail.crossroads-mansfield.org/lists/crosstalk_site7-list,crosstalk_site7-list-digestify crosstalk_site7-list-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l crosstalk_site7-list-digest crosstalk_site7-list-outgoing" crosstalk_site7-list-digest: crosstalk_site7-list crosstalk_site7-approval: mbowman@vbcomm.net crosstalk_site7-digest-approval: mbowman@vbcomm.net owner-crosstalk_site7: mbowman@vbcomm.net owner-crosstalk_site7-digest-outgoing: mbowman@vbcomm.net crosstalk_site7-owner: owner-crosstalk_site7 majordomo_site7: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper -v site7 -f mail.crossroads-mansfield.org majordomo" owner-majordomo_site7: admin crosstalk is the list crosstalk-digest is the digest Is there anything wrong with the above? The list and list-digest are in /usr/local/majordomo//lists - is this the correct directory ? How to I go about testing the digest ? Thanks Matthew From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 11:07:41 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA23095; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:49:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from spn25c0.fiu.edu (spf02n09-boot.fiu.edu [131.94.68.193]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE87C17EBC for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.20.25] by spn25c0.fiu.edu (InterMail vK.4.03.04.01 201-232-130-101 license d3ed443c752af15f51469a1cfbdca8d5) with SMTP id <20011102184233.CGXA17582.spn25c0@[10.10.20.25]> for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:42:34 -0500 From: Anthony Gonzalez Organization: IRM Enterprise Systems To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: multiple moderators Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:42:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20011102184233.CGXA17582.spn25c0@[10.10.20.25]> Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello everyone! If the list is moderated, can you have multiple moderators, and do the email addresses of the moderators need to be separated by a comma. Thanks, Anthony From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 11:20:51 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA23210; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from testsystem.server0.de (pD958A823.dip.t-dialin.net [217.88.168.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0B317EBC for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from testsystem.server0.de (jonas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testsystem.server0.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fA2IwJtp002759 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:58:19 +0100 Received: (from jonas@localhost) by testsystem.server0.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) id fA2IwIsn002757 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:58:18 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:58:18 +0100 From: Jonas Meurer To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: problems with permissions Message-ID: <20011102195818.A2739@testsystem.server0.de> References: <20011101143901.A1328@testsystem.server0.de> <3BE173D7.87F24B6F@iplanet.com> <20011101184543.A3098@testsystem.server0.de> <3BE2AFDC.22091E8E@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3BE2AFDC.22091E8E@netscape.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 08:38:20AM -0600, Daniel Liston wrote: > If your UID is not allowed to use the "mail" command, and you are > not the root user or do not have root permission on the server, you > will have to use a real mail client to send majordomo commands > instead of echoing the command into the body of an email from a > shell prompt to majordomo. (or you can ask the administrator of > the server for access to the 'mail' command from your login ID) Hey ho, I am the administrator of my server, but I don't know which permissions I have to change. Bye Jonas -- | .-. | 2nd mail: bilbo.beutlin@mail.de | jmeurer.dnsalias.org | /v\ | ****************************************************** | /( )\ | **** Linux is like a wigwam: **** | ^^ ^^ | **** no windows, no gates and an apache inside! **** From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 11:36:36 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA23435; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com [12.13.247.21]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB1A17EBC for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from blv-av-01.boeing.com ([192.54.3.60]) by stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id NAA18535 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:17:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-01.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-01) with ESMTP id LAA24575 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.54.12.28]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id fA2JGgI11105 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by xch-nwbh-02.nw.nos.boeing.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:16:40 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Derivas, Eduardo V" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: URL get truncated by Majordomo Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:16:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The URL link below is long and our Majordomo (version 1.94.5) running on HP-UX 10.20 truncates it so the link is useless for the recipients. We are running sendmail 8.8.6 and perl 5.004_04. Please let me know how I can solve this problem. http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/search-handle-url/107-8650828-3615731?ix=fi xed-price&rank=%2Ditm&fqp=org-unit-id%014%02site-org-unit-id%014%02status%01 open%02title%01majordomo&sz=3&pg=1%26field-enddate%3D0a-&size=50/107-8650828 -3615731 http://www.gcfl.net/LDP/HOWTO/Majordomo-MajorCool-HOWTO/x424.html Eduardo V deRivas Unix Systems Administrator From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 11:51:36 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA23205; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMCC_EMAIL.erdc.k12.mn.us (cmcc-2-170.cmcc.k12.mn.us [209.105.119.170]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 03A2B17EBC for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by CMCC_EMAIL.erdc.k12.mn.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <40CWR0A6>; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:00:45 -0600 Message-ID: <610AC34C33EC814FB2A28C7F7A770C9B034C5F@CMCC_EMAIL.erdc.k12.mn.us> From: Scott Downing To: "'majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: bulk_mailer Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:00:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C163D0.A8AA8760" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C163D0.A8AA8760 Content-Type: text/plain I'm setting up bulk_mailer and it seems to be working, but I get sent an error message after every post. Looking at the message I don't see any errors, it's more like bulk_mailer is spitting out an "everythings ok" message and exim thinks this is an error. How do I stop this? This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: test-out@list.cmerdc.k12.mn.us: generated |/usr/local/bin/bulk_mailer owner-test /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: ------ |/usr/local/bin/bulk_mailer owner-test /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test ------ 220 list.cmerdc.k12.mn.us ESMTP Exim 3.13 #1 Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:39:19 -0600 250 list.cmerdc.k12.mn.us Hello majordomo at localhost 500 Command unrecognized 250 is syntactically correct 250 is syntactically correct 250 is syntactically correct 250 is syntactically correct 250 is syntactically correct 354 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by itself 250 OK id=15zl5z-0006R8-00 221 list.cmerdc.k12.mn.us closing connection ------_=_NextPart_001_01C163D0.A8AA8760 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm setting up bulk_mailer and it seems to be working, but I get sent an error message after every = post. Looking at the message I don't see any errors, it's more like bulk_mailer is spitting out an "everythings ok" message and exim thinks this is an = error. How do I stop this?

 

 

This message was created automatically by mail delivery = software.

 

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its = recipients. The following address(es) failed:

 

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The following text was generated during the delivery = attempt:

 

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220 list.cmerdc.k12.mn.us ESMTP Exim 3.13 #1 = Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:39:19 -0600 250 list.cmerdc.k12.mn.us Hello majordomo at localhost 500 Command unrecognized 250 = <owner-test> is syntactically correct 250 <scottfigz@hotmail.com> is = syntactically correct 250 <scottd@figz.com> is syntactically correct 250 <sdowning@erdc.k12.mn.us> is syntactically correct 250 <scottd@astound.net> is syntactically correct 354 Enter message, = ending with "." on a line by itself 250 OK id=3D15zl5z-0006R8-00 221 list.cmerdc.k12.mn.us closing connection

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C163D0.A8AA8760-- From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 12:06:34 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA23759; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB2317EBC for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.aerosmithfanclub.com (user-2iveg1o.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.64.56]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16461 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:49:01 -0500 (EST) From: dboothe@mindspring.com Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011102144551.00abe5e8@mindspring.com> X-Sender: dboothe@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:49:08 -0500 To: Majordomo Users Subject: Archive Set Up In-Reply-To: <3BDD8CB1.DA53A8@netscape.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011029015129.00ab0270@mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011029104910.00a6b1f8@mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011029112252.00a9e7c0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a list set up and running fine (for now anyway). I want to add archiving capabilities to the list. Can someone please tell me a step by step procedure for adding this option? Also please tell me how to set the series of the archive (day, month, year, etc). Here is the current contest of my majordomo.aliases file if that would help. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: listadmin majordomo-owner: listadmin # # # clubnews: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l clubnews clubnews-list" clubnews-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/clubnews owner-clubnews: listadmin clubnews-owner: listadmin clubnews-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l clubnews" clubnews-approval: listadmin # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, David From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 13:36:30 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA24925; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:24:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8FE17EBC for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty-motorsports.com ([192.94.170.8] helo=pop3.norton.antivirus ident=root) by krusty-motorsports.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15zlns-0004Fw-00; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:24:40 -0500 From: Richard Welty To: Scott Downing Cc: "'majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: Re: bulk_mailer Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: References: <610AC34C33EC814FB2A28C7F7A770C9B034C5F@CMCC_EMAIL.erdc.k12.mn.us> In-Reply-To: <610AC34C33EC814FB2A28C7F7A770C9B034C5F@CMCC_EMAIL.erdc.k12.mn.us> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:00:37 -0600 , Scott Downing wrote: >I'm setting up bulk_mailer and it seems to be working, but I get sent an >error message after every post. Looking at the message I don't see any >errors, it's more like bulk_mailer is spitting out an "everythings ok" >message and exim thinks this is an error. How do I stop this? bulk_mailer is totally unnecessary with exim, however, to make the message go away, set return_fail_output =3D true on your exim pipe transport. even w/o bulk_mailer, return_fail_output should probably be set on the majordomo pipe transport. what you should do with exim & majordomo is set the following in the main exim configuration section (tweak the numbers to meet your needs): delay_warning =3D 0s deliver_load_max =3D 10 deliver_queue_load_max =3D 99 freeze_tell_mailmaster =3D true ignore_errmsg_errors =3D true return_size_limit =3D 10000 queue_only_load =3D 3 queue_run_max =3D 5 smtp_accept_queue =3D 10 strip_trailing_dot =3D true split_spool_directory =3D true remote_max_parallel =3D 40 i also use demime to strip the mime, and have it set up as a transport filter, so i have the following in my exim configuration: majordomo_pipe: driver =3D pipe user =3D majordomo group =3D daemon return_fail_output =3D true transport_filter =3D "/tools/majordomo/demime -" note that i also route -request and majordomo@... mail through this, so list requests get demimed before they reach the perl scripts; it's a big win. you also may wish to set up multiple directors for the domain you're using to host the list; this allows you to completely hide the outgoing aliases from external abusers. sample configs available on request (i stole them from someone else years ago.) richard From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 14:20:48 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id OAA25415; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com [12.13.237.21]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA30C17EFC for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:08:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from blv-av-02.boeing.com ([192.54.3.92]) by slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id OAA08106 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:07:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-02.boeing.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/MBS-AV-01) with ESMTP id OAA20989 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from xch-nwbh-01.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-01.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.33.62.231]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id fA2M8GI02452 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by xch-nwbh-01.nw.nos.boeing.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:08:14 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Derivas, Eduardo V" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: URL get truncated by Majordomo Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:08:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Looks like you majordomo is doing the same thing. :0) -----Original Message----- From: Derivas, Eduardo V [mailto:eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:17 AM To: 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com' Subject: URL get truncated by Majordomo The URL link below is long and our Majordomo (version 1.94.5) running on HP-UX 10.20 truncates it so the link is useless for the recipients. We are running sendmail 8.8.6 and perl 5.004_04. Please let me know how I can solve this problem. http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/search-handle-url/107-8650828-3615731?ix=fi xed-price&rank=%2Ditm&fqp=org-unit-id%014%02site-org-unit-id%014%02status%01 open%02title%01majordomo&sz=3&pg=1%26field-enddate%3D0a-&size=50/107-8650828 -3615731 http://www.gcfl.net/LDP/HOWTO/Majordomo-MajorCool-HOWTO/x424.html Eduardo V deRivas Unix Systems Administrator From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 18:51:32 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA28651; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:34:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from diskless7.axs2000.net (unknown [209.146.38.45]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584A517EB1 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from pond.com (ppp-086-155.verio.axs2000.net [64.80.86.155]) by diskless7.axs2000.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fA32WRk29099 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 21:32:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3BE35910.811A34F6@pond.com> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:40:16 -0500 From: Keith Flippin Reply-To: kflippin@indole.net Organization: NE-Raves Administration X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: URL get truncated by Majordomo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk "Derivas, Eduardo V" wrote: > > The URL link below is long [....] Please let me know how I can solve > this problem. You could try one of these: I haven't used any of them, but you could check out: http://freesources.net/directory/shorturl.htm "Who likes those extra long urls to main pages of a site? Nobody does! Therefore we have collected links to sites which give you a short url for free." -- Geoff Capp Productions NE-Raves Administrator ChillOut DJ & Producer http://DrJesus.djcentral.com under construction "im gonna be nice, and just harm anyone who gets physically in my way" -Robert A. Skinner, J.S.M. From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 2 23:20:23 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA01429; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h008.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.214]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D15CA17EEF for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 26293 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 23:12:22 -0800 Received: from 65.186.251.57 (HELO rahab) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.214) with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 23:12:22 -0800 X-Sent: 3 Nov 2001 07:12:22 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Joey Kelly To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: restricting post auth to subscribes users Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 02:13:23 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01110302132302.00870@rahab> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Howdy. I see in the list.config file "restrict_post", but can't figure out how to limit the ability to post to the subscibed members. Will the word "list' work, or the actual name of the list? Thanks :-) -- ______________________________________________________ Joey Kelly < Minister of the Gospel | Computer Networking Consultant > http://joeykelly.dhs.org From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 3 12:05:33 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA11690; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E85517EC7 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA3Jqmj31476; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:52:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3BE44B17.B4A57D07@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:52:55 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joey Kelly Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: restricting post auth to subscribes users References: <01110302132302.00870@rahab> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From my test.config file # restrict_post [restrict_post] (test) # If defined, only addresses listed in these files (colon or space # separated) can post to the mailing list. By default, these files # are relative to the lists directory. These files are also checked # when get_access, index_access, info_access, intro_access, # which_access, or who_access is set to 'list'. This is less useful # than it seems it should be since there is no way to create these # files if you do not have access to the machine running resend. # This mechanism will be replaced in a future version of # majordomo/resend. restrict_post = test What this does is use the FILE "test" in the "lists" directory which contains the email addresses of the list members, one per line, to allow only subscribers of the "test" mailing list to post to the list. What might be nice, is if this setting followed the syntax of who, which, get, index, info, and intro where you set "post_access = (open|closed|list)" but include current functionality of filename:filename on the RHS. For now, using the actual name of your list will suit your purposes. Dan Liston Joey Kelly wrote: > > Howdy. > > I see in the list.config file "restrict_post", but can't figure out how to > limit the ability to post to the subscibed members. Will the word "list' > work, or the actual name of the list? > > Thanks :-) > -- > ______________________________________________________ > > Joey Kelly > < Minister of the Gospel | Computer Networking Consultant > > http://joeykelly.dhs.org From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 3 13:35:32 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA12595; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 13:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C852217EB1 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 13:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA3LP5j31937; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:25:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3BE460B9.EB8664D9@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:25:13 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Derivas, Eduardo V" Cc: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: URL get truncated by Majordomo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Interesting, I just sent your message through a majordomo test list that I use for testing (duhh), and the URL was not truncated at all. Is it possible that your MUA truncated the lines (URL) before majordomo even had a chance to see it? Let's see that greatcircle does with it... http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/search-handle-url/107-8650828-3615731?ix=fixed-price&rank=%2Ditm&fqp=org-unit-id%014%02site-org-unit-id%014%02status%01open%02title%01majordomo&sz=3&pg=1%26field-enddate%3D0a-&size=50/107-8650828-3615731 Dan Liston "Derivas, Eduardo V" wrote: > > Looks like you majordomo is doing the same thing. :0) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derivas, Eduardo V [mailto:eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:17 AM > To: 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com' > Subject: URL get truncated by Majordomo > > The URL link below is long and our Majordomo (version 1.94.5) running on > HP-UX 10.20 truncates it so the link is useless for the recipients. We are > running sendmail 8.8.6 and perl 5.004_04. Please let me know how I can solve > this problem. > > http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/search-handle-url/107-8650828-3615731?ix=fi > xed-price&rank=%2Ditm&fqp=org-unit-id%014%02site-org-unit-id%014%02status%01 > open%02title%01majordomo&sz=3&pg=1%26field-enddate%3D0a-&size=50/107-8650828 > -3615731 > > http://www.gcfl.net/LDP/HOWTO/Majordomo-MajorCool-HOWTO/x424.html > > Eduardo V deRivas > Unix Systems Administrator From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 3 18:35:33 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA15434; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF90B17EAE for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA42TUj00564; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:29:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3BE4A813.8AE8EA57@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 20:29:39 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mbowman@vbcomm.net Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Setting up Digests References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Your aliases do not look like anything I have ever seen before. You should probably talk to your hosting service for specific instructions on digesting your list. If your list is not hosted, you have bigger problems than I thought. Check out http://www.greatcircle.com/lists/majordomo-users/mhonarc/majordomo-users.200110/msg00050.html for a recipe on digests/archives on a non-hosted mailing list. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner Sun Nov 4 22:37:03 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id WAA03539; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D62017F33 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (mh02 [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id fA56VEu24900 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id fA56UZQ7006365 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:30:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:28:12 -0800 Message-ID: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EDDDD@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> From: "Mohler, Jeff" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: List processing problem.. Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:24:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a large (2600 user) mailing list that Ive created for our national racing association, and when you submit to it, I get goba of this in my maillog: Oct 30 13:53:03 speedracer sendmail[15265]: NOQUEUE: daemon@localhost did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to stdin A handful..at best, of people -get- a message, but thats it. Here is my aliases entry for this list: nasanorcalevents:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l nasanorcalevents -h speedtoys.com nasanorcalevents-resend" nasanorcalevents-resend::include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/nasanorcalevents.mod erated, "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l nasanorcalevents-digest nasanorcalevents-digest-resend", "|/usr/local/bin/bulk_mailer maxdomains 1 owner-norcalnasa@speedtoys.com /usr/local/majordomo/lists/nasanorcalevents" nasanorcalevents-request:"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l nasanorcalevents" nasanorcalevents-approval: norcalnasa@speedtoys.com owner-nasanorcalevents: nasaowner nasanorcalevents-digest-outgoing::include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/nasanorcalevents-digest nasanorcalevents-owner: nasaowner nasanorcaleventshelp: gemohler --- All pretty much feels just like the dozen other lists I have here, cept this one just pukes splendidly after sendmail receives it, and hand it off to domo. Ideas? From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 5 00:22:19 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id AAA04384; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gopostal.onlinepolicy.net (gopostal.onlinepolicy.net [209.157.101.241]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2171E17F35 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from attitude.queernet.org ([216.15.55.98]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by gopostal.onlinepolicy.net (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id fA57GYr24193; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 23:16:34 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011105000539.030fae90@gopostal.onlinepolicy.net> X-Sender: rogerk@queernet.org@gopostal.onlinepolicy.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 00:06:22 -0800 To: "Mohler, Jeff" , "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Subject: Re: List processing problem.. In-Reply-To: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EDDDD@ussvlexc10.corp.n etapp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 10:24 PM 11/4/2001 -0800, Mohler, Jeff wrote: >All pretty much feels just like the dozen other lists I have here, cept >this one just pukes splendidly after sendmail receives it, and hand it off >to domo. > >Ideas? Is it considerably larger? Looks like you're timing out the connection. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 5 00:37:04 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id AAA04439; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BDA17F35 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (mh02 [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id fA58DRu26276; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id fA58Cmtq010921; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:12:47 -0800 Message-ID: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EDDE2@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> From: "Mohler, Jeff" To: "'Roger B.A. Klorese'" , "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: List processing problem.. Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:12:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Can you elaborate on what exactly is timing out, and any workarounds? -----Original Message----- From: Roger B.A. Klorese [mailto:rogerk@queernet.org] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:06 AM To: Mohler, Jeff; 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com' Subject: Re: List processing problem.. At 10:24 PM 11/4/2001 -0800, Mohler, Jeff wrote: >All pretty much feels just like the dozen other lists I have here, cept >this one just pukes splendidly after sendmail receives it, and hand it off >to domo. > >Ideas? Is it considerably larger? Looks like you're timing out the connection. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 5 00:52:13 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id AAA04616; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B0517ED6 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (mh02 [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id fA58Tdu26489; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id fA58T0j9011316; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:26:37 -0800 Message-ID: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EDDE4@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> From: "Mohler, Jeff" To: "'Roger B.A. Klorese'" , "Mohler, Jeff" , "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: RE: List processing problem.. Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:28:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk To add: Im not seeing any timeout errors in the maillogs, just about a minute (or less) delay once the message arrives, then a lotta errors just like the one originally posted. -----Original Message----- From: Roger B.A. Klorese [mailto:rogerk@queernet.org] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:06 AM To: Mohler, Jeff; 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com' Subject: Re: List processing problem.. At 10:24 PM 11/4/2001 -0800, Mohler, Jeff wrote: >All pretty much feels just like the dozen other lists I have here, cept >this one just pukes splendidly after sendmail receives it, and hand it off >to domo. > >Ideas? Is it considerably larger? Looks like you're timing out the connection. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 7 04:51:13 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id EAA15292; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 04:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from england.frontline-pcb.com (fl.frontline-pcb.com [62.0.36.249]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6404917EB5 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 04:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from frontline-pcb.com (tanzania.frontline-pcb.com [172.16.100.71]) by england.frontline-pcb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21185 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:46:53 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3BE92D3D.6BCCC38A@frontline-pcb.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:46:53 +0200 From: Vadim Fattakhov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: attachments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I need to cut all attachments from mail going throw my list. How can I do it with majordomo? -- Best regards, Vadim Fattakhov Frontline PCB Solutions System & Network Manager Phone: +972-8-9322183 (ext. 130), fax: +972-8-9322186 From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 7 16:06:40 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA21904; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from hail (hail.arb.ca.gov [146.114.82.74]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 20D7A17EB2 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 146.114.82.66 by hail (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:01:12 -0800 Received: from arb.ca.gov ([146.114.68.104]) by airmail.arb.ca.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA36E4 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:01:28 -0800 Message-ID: <3BE9CB55.E6E088E5@arb.ca.gov> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:01:25 -0800 From: Steve Magee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: userid numeric value problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have Majordomo working on our server. No problems. To move it to another machine, I have tar'd the Majordomo directory, the /etc/sendmail, /etc/aliases files and moved them to another server. I have untar'd them and set userid, group and permission to exactly as they are on from the machine they came from. I also change the $whereami value to reflect the new machine in majordomo.cf. I have done this before with success. The difference now is the /etc/passwd & /etc/group have different numeric values for "majordomo" (userid) then from the machine they came from. I changed the passwd & group to now reflex the same userid numeric value. All works fine. Would anybody know why Majordomo "requires" the same userid numeric value? I know when installing, you are required to enter the numberic value of the userid and usergroup. Are these values hidden and must remain constance from machine to machine? Here is the error message I recevied when the userid numeric values were different. MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! While running with an effective uid of 400 and an effective gid of 2 12, Majordomo ran into the following problems: Unable to write to log file, check permissions on /app/major/Log Thanks, Steve Magee From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 7 23:06:20 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id WAA26045; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from amun.combox.de (amun.combox.de [212.87.33.13]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2902517EBC for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from minna.combox.de (combox.de [212.87.33.8]) by amun.combox.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fA86wdo16376 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:58:39 +0100 Received: by minna.combox.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:59:10 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tobias Gablunsky To: "'majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: localized version Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:59:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk are there localized versions of majordomo? - I am looking for a german version... many thanks tobias gablunsky __________________________________________________ Telefon +49 (30) 59 00 69-0=20 Telefax +49 (30) 59 00 69-99=20 COM.BOX Internet Service GmbH Potsdamer Strasse 96 - D-10785 Berlin Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg - HRB 71171 Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Lutz Treutler - From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 8 06:06:25 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA03326; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.brunata-huerth.de (mail.brunata-huerth.de [195.14.224.179]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B4817ED9 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.brunata-huerth.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id PAA06495; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:02:42 +0100 Received: from tp9b0000.brunata-huerth.de(172.16.100.0), claiming to be "tp9b0000" via SMTP by mail.brunata-huerth.de, id smtpdBub8xt; Thu Nov 8 15:02:27 2001 From: "Georg Zumstrull" To: "Tobias Gablunsky" , Subject: RE: localized version Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:01:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've done the work (Majordomo + Majorcool). But I am not sure if I am allowed to make it available. Perhaps it would be better to have a license from GreatCircle, but I didn't ask yet. Georg Zumstrull > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM]On Behalf Of Tobias > Gablunsky > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:59 AM > To: 'majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM' > Subject: localized version > > > are there localized versions of majordomo? - I am looking for a german > version... > > > many thanks > > > tobias gablunsky > __________________________________________________ > Telefon +49 (30) 59 00 69-0 > Telefax +49 (30) 59 00 69-99 > COM.BOX Internet Service GmbH > Potsdamer Strasse 96 - D-10785 Berlin > Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg - HRB 71171 > Geschäftsführer: Lutz Treutler > - > From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 8 09:06:28 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA05271; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mhub-c5.tc.umn.edu (mhub-c5.tc.umn.edu [160.94.128.51]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3842217ED5 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub-c5.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:59:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:59:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:59:11 -0600 (CST) From: mjn X-Sender: mjn@garnet.tc.umn.edu To: Steve Magee Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: userid numeric value problem In-Reply-To: <3BE9CB55.E6E088E5@arb.ca.gov> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Nov 7, 2001 Steve Magee said something like: > Would anybody know why Majordomo "requires" the same userid > numeric value? I believe the UID and GID are added to the wrapper at compile time. if you want to change them you'd have to recompile the wrapper with the new UID and GID. -- ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 8 10:53:09 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA06506; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sportsline.com (mail.sportsline.com [64.30.226.54]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CE517ED2 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from robg.sportsline.com (external.sportsline.com [64.30.224.30]) by mail.sportsline.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fA8In4605735 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:49:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108134324.04cc2890@mail.sportsline.com> X-Sender: robg@mail.sportsline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:48:38 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Robert Geller Subject: smrsh issue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have been running majordomo-1.94.5 fine for a while. I was going to upgrade sendmail to 8.12.1 and had some issues. I replaced my sendmail binary/confs back to the original and now I am getting smrsh errors with majordomo. My links in /etc/smrsh to ~majordomo/wrapper are in tact. At this point, Im not sure what is going on. I noticed now when I try and run ' ./wrapper config-test' I get a command line error on wrapper which says use wrapper -c. thanks -Rob From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 8 12:50:06 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA07797; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:35:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BF417ED5 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA8KYpY10267 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:34:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.116]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMI16400.I1X; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:34:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3BEAEB64.5B4B8DD2@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:30:28 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: iPlanet eCommerce Solutions, A Sun-Netscape Alliance X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Magee Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: userid numeric value problem References: <3BE9CB55.E6E088E5@arb.ca.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The numbers for uid/gid are compiled into "wrapper". If you want to use different numbers on a different machine, you must recompile the wrapper. Dan Liston Steve Magee wrote: > > I have Majordomo working on our server. No problems. > To move it to another machine, I have tar'd the Majordomo directory, > the /etc/sendmail, /etc/aliases files and moved them to another server. > > I have untar'd them and set userid, group and permission to exactly > as they are on from the machine they came from. I also change the > $whereami value to reflect the new machine in majordomo.cf. I have > done this before with success. The difference now is the /etc/passwd > & /etc/group have different numeric values for "majordomo" (userid) > then from the machine they came from. I changed the passwd & > group to now reflex the same userid numeric value. All works fine. > > Would anybody know why Majordomo "requires" the same userid > numeric value? > > I know when installing, you are required to enter the numberic value of > the userid and usergroup. Are these values hidden and must remain > constance from machine to machine? > > Here is the error message I recevied when the userid numeric values were > > different. > > MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! > > While running with an effective uid of 400 and an effective gid of 2 12, > > Majordomo ran into the following problems: > Unable to write to log file, check permissions on /app/major/Log > > Thanks, > Steve Magee From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 8 16:05:08 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA09977; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from syslang.syslang.net (146-115-228-14.c3-0.frm-ubr1.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com [146.115.228.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0F217ED0 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (steveo@localhost) by syslang.syslang.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA8NtdM25353 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:55:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:55:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven W. Orr" To: Majordomo-users Subject: Please I need help! lists thinks I have no lists! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Somehow I'm in a state where I can send mail to my lists, but I can't administer them. If I send a lists command, it returns an empty list. (I have three lists.) I have no idea how I got into this. Here's the relevant data: Red Hat Linux 7.2 bash-2.05# rpm -q majordomo majordomo-1.94.5-2 sendmail is 8.11.6 bash-2.05# grep -i majordomo /etc/passwd majordom:x:503:503:MajorDomo:/home/majordomo:/bin/bash majordomo:x:91:91:Majordomo List Manager:/usr/lib/majordomo:/bin/bash bash-2.05# For starters, I don't know why I had two entries. So I deleted the entire majordomo package (after saving my lists directory) and reinstalled. I'm convinced that all of the permissions and ownerships are correct. I ran ./wrapper config-test and got no problems. My problem is that if I send a lists message, I get an empty list of lists back. There should be three lists: frambors, man-bytes-dog, and mjtest. (Feel free to try it.) I don't have a clue what else to do. Can someone please point me? Please hear my desperation :-( TIA -- -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have - -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo@syslang.net From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 9 00:35:18 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id AAA15385; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:33:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A763317EB1 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA98Xax05112 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.240.50]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMIYF800.58E for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:33:08 -0800 Message-ID: <3BEB310A.295D26C0@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:27:38 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: smrsh issue References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108134324.04cc2890@mail.sportsline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Upgrading sendmail should not have impacted majordomo, unless your installation was using a less secure sendmail that is not forcing more security on you. Is majordomo still on the same machine, with the same uid/gid, and in the same directory it was originally on? Make sure sendmail "Trusts" majordomo. (Tmajordomo in sendmail.cf) assuming your majordomo user is "majordomo". Make sure none of your majordomo directories or lists are group writable. (chmod -R go-w ~majordomo) Wrapper should be owned by and suid root. Dan Liston Robert Geller wrote: > > I have been running majordomo-1.94.5 fine for a while. I was going to > upgrade sendmail to 8.12.1 and had some issues. > I replaced my sendmail binary/confs back to the original and now I am > getting smrsh errors with majordomo. > > My links in /etc/smrsh to ~majordomo/wrapper are in tact. At this point, > Im not sure what is going on. > I noticed now when I try and run ' ./wrapper config-test' I get a command > line error on wrapper which says use wrapper -c. > > thanks > > -Rob From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 9 05:20:25 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id FAA21104; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 05:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from titan.lhsc.on.ca (titan.lhsc.on.ca [142.158.2.20]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9612917EB8 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 05:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from b74k (b74k.lhsc.on.ca [142.158.165.28]) by titan.lhsc.on.ca (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id fA9DFHt10605 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:15:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Claudio Martin" To: Subject: restrict_post problem Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:15:02 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c16920$92c77660$1ca59e8e@b74k> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I wish to restrict posting to the list to the subscribers. The listname is cccs so I have inserted the following line in the config file, but posting is still unrestricted. What am I missing? restrict_post = cccs Thanks, Claudio martin From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 9 06:20:26 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA21646; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 06:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntcorp.dn.net (ntcorp.dn.net [207.226.172.79]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB5C17EAF for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 06:13:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (fidelman@localhost) by ntcorp.dn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01081 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:04:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:04:52 -0500 (EST) From: Miles Fidelman X-Sender: fidelman@ntcorp.dn.net To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: advice sought: migrating to new host Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, I've been leasing a host for a number of years - supporting mail (sendmail, pop/imap), mailing lists (majordomo, wilma and associated tools for web archiving), and web services for about a dozen virtual domains. I'm about to move to a new machine, with a new range of IP addresses - and I'm trying to figure out how to insulate my users from the transition. I'll have about 10 days when both machines are running, and I have a good handle on smooth web transitions - using redirects to shift all traffic to the new site and then letting the DNS changes stabilize. I don't have a good handle on how to handle a similar cutover for mail, mailing lists, and archives - can anybody offer advice on: - tricks on using sendmail.cf rules to do the equivalent of a web redirect (i.e., setting up a rule to shift all traffic for a domain to a new host) - a step by step sequence of events for cutting things over, along the lines of: -- a very short freeze on incoming mail -- copying archives and such to the new machine -- installing a set of redirect rules on the old machine -- unfreezing mail reception Thanks very much for any help you can offer. Miles Fidelman ************************************************************************** Network Technology Corporation PO Box 600618 Miles R. Fidelman, President Newtonville, MA 02460-0006 mfidelman@ntcorp.com 617-558-3698 http://www.ntcorp.com fax: 617-630-8946 ************************************************************************** From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 9 07:20:38 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA22422; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFD617EAF for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9F6eY11574 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.37]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMJGN602.X8Z; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:06:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3BEBEFFC.8A04BDEA@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 09:02:20 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: iPlanet eCommerce Solutions, A Sun-Netscape Alliance X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven W. Orr" Cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Please I need help! lists thinks I have no lists! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Does your majordomo process "any" commands? Can you send a "help" command and get a response? If not, there is most likely an error with your aliases file. Are your lists just using majordomo to manager adding and removing of addresses to your list, or do you use resend to also control them? Dan Liston "Steven W. Orr" wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Daniel Liston wrote: > > =>You are using the rpm install of majordomo. You need to remove the > =>majordom user from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and /etc/group. 503 > The three files above are all correct. Good thought though. > > => > =>You might be expecting your lists to be found in /home/majordomo/lists > =>but the rpm is looking in /var/lib/majordomo/lists for them. > I don't think that's the problem, but I don't understand the role of > /var/lib/majordomo vs. ~majordomo which is /usr/lib/majordomo. Either way, > the files that are there seem fine. > => > =>Other possibility, you have enabled the noadvertise option in all of > =>your listname.config files. These lists will not show up in a lists > =>command unless the address you are sending the command from is already > =>a member of the lists. > > Interesting. The advertise and noadvertise variables are set with the > defaults: > advertise << END > > END > noadvertise << END > > END > > But this still doesn't explain why the list owner (me) can't add or delete > users. > > I'm open to any more ideas. Please? :-( > > => > =>Dan Liston > => > =>"Steven W. Orr" wrote: > =>> > =>> Somehow I'm in a state where I can send mail to my lists, but I can't > =>> administer them. If I send a lists command, it returns an empty list. (I > =>> have three lists.) I have no idea how I got into this. > =>> > =>> Here's the relevant data: > =>> > =>> Red Hat Linux 7.2 > =>> > =>> bash-2.05# rpm -q majordomo > =>> majordomo-1.94.5-2 > =>> > =>> sendmail is 8.11.6 > =>> > =>> bash-2.05# grep -i majordomo /etc/passwd > =>> majordom:x:503:503:MajorDomo:/home/majordomo:/bin/bash > =>> majordomo:x:91:91:Majordomo List Manager:/usr/lib/majordomo:/bin/bash > =>> bash-2.05# > =>> > =>> For starters, I don't know why I had two entries. So I deleted the entire > =>> majordomo package (after saving my lists directory) and reinstalled. I'm > =>> convinced that all of the permissions and ownerships are correct. > =>> > =>> I ran > =>> ./wrapper config-test > =>> and got no problems. > =>> > =>> My problem is that if I send a lists message, I get an empty list of lists > =>> back. There should be three lists: frambors, man-bytes-dog, and mjtest. > =>> (Feel free to try it.) > =>> > =>> I don't have a clue what else to do. Can someone please point me? Please > =>> hear my desperation :-( > =>> > =>> TIA > =>> > =>> -- > =>> -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have - > =>> -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ > =>> -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- > =>> -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo@syslang.net > => > > -- > -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have - > -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ > -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- > -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo@syslang.net From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 10 20:50:37 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA16014; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BE317E8E for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (dliston.sonny.org [205.217.137.70]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAB0InO01412; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3BEDC2F1.1AF141CF@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:14:41 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Cc: Claudio Martin Subject: Re: restrict_post problem References: <002101c16920$92c77660$1ca59e8e@b74k> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You are probably missing calls to resend in the alias for your list. cccs: "|/path-to/majordomo/wrapper resend -l cccs cccs-outgoing,nobody" Dan Liston Claudio Martin wrote: > > Hi, > > I wish to restrict posting to the list to the subscribers. The listname is > cccs so I have inserted the following line in the config file, but posting > is still unrestricted. What am I missing? > > restrict_post = cccs > > Thanks, > Claudio martin From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 10 21:05:36 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA16037; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524F117E8E for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (dliston.sonny.org [205.217.137.70]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAB0CIO01395; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:12:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3BEDC16B.6B3B9F92@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:08:11 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miles Fidelman Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: advice sought: migrating to new host References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Miles, It would probably be safe to assume that your list users no nothing of your IP addresses, just your domain name. It should also be safe to assume that you will be keeping your domain name during the move. IF not, I have no suggestions that can keep your move invisible to your users. During your DNS transition, MX records will point your mail to the new IP addresses. This IS invisible to end users. MX records ARE redirect rules for mail. If these are not enough, a mailertable entry on the old mail host, .forward files, or entries in the aliases file itself should also be able to redirect your SMTP traffic to the new address. Your archives, subscriber lists, and configuration files will have to be copied BEFORE the activation of your new hosts/addresses, or the redirected email will have nowhere to go. You can retrieve this info remotely via commands to majordomo. As for the aliases file that trigger majordomo commands, or the majordomo.cf file itself, you will need the cooperation and assistance of the existing service provider to send these to you or your new hosting service. Dan Liston Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I've been leasing a host for a number of years - supporting mail > (sendmail, pop/imap), mailing lists (majordomo, wilma and associated tools > for web archiving), and web services for about a dozen virtual domains. > > I'm about to move to a new machine, with a new range of IP addresses - and > I'm trying to figure out how to insulate my users from the transition. > > I'll have about 10 days when both machines are running, and I have a good > handle on smooth web transitions - using redirects to shift all traffic to > the new site and then letting the DNS changes stabilize. > > I don't have a good handle on how to handle a similar cutover for mail, > mailing lists, and archives - can anybody offer advice on: > > - tricks on using sendmail.cf rules to do the equivalent of a web redirect > (i.e., setting up a rule to shift all traffic for a domain to a new host) > > - a step by step sequence of events for cutting things over, along the > lines of: > -- a very short freeze on incoming mail > -- copying archives and such to the new machine > -- installing a set of redirect rules on the old machine > -- unfreezing mail reception From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 13 11:13:09 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA02560; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from testsystem.server0.de (pD951A531.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.165.49]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DE117EB5 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from testsystem.server0.de (jonas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testsystem.server0.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fADIwPfm004788 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:58:25 +0100 Received: (from jonas@localhost) by testsystem.server0.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) id fADIwO7l004786 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:58:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:58:24 +0100 From: Jonas Meurer To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: step-by-step-instruction to install majordomo on a linux-sendmail-system. Message-ID: <20011113195708.D4536@testsystem.server0.de> Mail-Followup-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a step-by-step-introduction for installing majordomo on a linux (debian)-system with sendmail? Or maybe, has anyone the time and fun to teach me over irc? Thanks and bye Jonas -- | .-. | 2nd mail: bilbo.beutlin@mail.de | jmeurer.dnsalias.org | /v\ | ****************************************************** | /( )\ | **** Linux is like a wigwam: **** | ^^ ^^ | **** no windows, no gates and an apache inside! **** From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 13 11:58:51 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA03111; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from txjeeps.net (dsl081-112-213.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.112.213]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4A517EBC for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from CHRISDT (dsl081-112-215.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.112.215]) by txjeeps.net (8.11.6/8.11.2) with SMTP id fAEA31611937 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 04:03:01 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: txjeeps.net: nobody owned process doing -bs Message-ID: <000001c16c7c$2f0c14f0$d7705140@CHRISDT> From: "Chris Skinner" To: References: Subject: Re: localized version Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:51:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The Majordomo license allows for modification for private use as long as you make it known that what you are distributing is a modified copy and include a link to the ftp site where the user can get an unmodified version. Private use means that you can't make it available to the general public, but you can share with colleagues/clients/etc. You should be able to send Tobias a copy of your modified version without violating the license agreement in any way. HTH! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georg Zumstrull" To: "Tobias Gablunsky" ; Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:01 AM Subject: RE: localized version > I've done the work (Majordomo + Majorcool). But I am not sure if I am > allowed to make it available. Perhaps it would be better to have a license > from GreatCircle, but I didn't ask yet. > > Georg Zumstrull > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM > > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM]On Behalf Of Tobias > > Gablunsky > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:59 AM > > To: 'majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM' > > Subject: localized version > > > > > > are there localized versions of majordomo? - I am looking for a german > > version... > > > > > > many thanks > > > > > > tobias gablunsky > > __________________________________________________ > > Telefon +49 (30) 59 00 69-0 > > Telefax +49 (30) 59 00 69-99 > > COM.BOX Internet Service GmbH > > Potsdamer Strasse 96 - D-10785 Berlin > > Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg - HRB 71171 > > Geschäftsführer: Lutz Treutler > > - > > > > > From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 13 13:01:01 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA03887; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from esson.net (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF57B17EBE for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ekasky.wrenkasky.com (ekasky.usc.edu [128.125.63.168]) by esson.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fADKfJHk027016 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:41:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011113122756.00b4bfc8@mail.esson.net> X-Sender: ed@mail.esson.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:41:31 -0800 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Ed Kasky Subject: set sender error message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Folks - Now before you jump up and down about this being covered in the faq and in the archives, hear me out for one second.... ;-) What am I missing if I am running this from _my_ crontab, not root's: 01 0 * * * echo mkdigest list-digest list-digest-outgoing list.passwd | mail majordomo ...and it causes the following: Nov 13 00:01:01 yoda sendmail[20770]: fAD811CY020770: Authentication-Warning: yoda.wrenkasky.com: majordom set sender to Majordomo-Owner@esson.net using -f Nov 13 00:01:01 yoda sendmail[20774]: fAD811nE020774: Authentication-Warning: yoda.wrenkasky.com: majordom set sender to owner-therox-digest@esson.net using -f majordom is set as a trusted user in sendmail.cf and I double checked the ownership of the files in ../majordomo and they are majordom.majordom. ???? Thanks in advance.... Ed ~~ From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 13 14:58:11 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id OAA05266; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.disney.com (mail.disney.com [204.128.192.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24F817EB9 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from Hermes10.corp.disney.com (hermes10.corp.disney.com [153.7.110.102]) by mail.disney.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id fADMmJf06619 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ds-naso-mc02.studio.disney.com by hermes.corp.disney.com with ESMTP for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:48:46 -0800 Received: by DS-NASO-MC02.wds.disney.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:51:46 -0800 Message-Id: <99A560B38BC6D21180020004ACA6B36A03895169@ds-naso-msa2.wds.disney.com> From: "Litiatco, Rick" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Problem with subscriber addresses that have middle initials Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:46:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a list with users that have email address like this: John.I.Doe@aaa.company.com and these people aren't getting postings to the list. Too many periods, perhaps? Has anyone seen this one before? Thanks From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 13 15:28:23 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA05650; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ercot.com (mail.ercot.com [65.67.37.83]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E676017EB9 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: step-by-step-instruction to install majordomo on a linux-sendmail-system. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:10:58 -0600 Message-ID: <8E4547FAEC455D46933745A0D608FFE615A20F@prw2kt18.corp.ercot.com> Thread-Topic: step-by-step-instruction to install majordomo on a linux-sendmail-system. Thread-Index: AcFslxb8RXFaDyYqRB+USKfVx8wW/gAABYjg From: "Williams, Jack" To: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jonas, This is probably the best place to start: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Majordomo-MajorCool-HOWTO/ I am a majordomo newbie myself and I found the INSTALL and NEWLIST files in the distribution to be excellent. They were easier for me to follow than the instructions in the O'Reilly book Managing Mailing List. I do still recommend the book, however, just don't overlook the docs. Good Luck, Jack -----Original Message----- From: Jonas Meurer [mailto:jmeurer@gmx.de] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:58 PM To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: step-by-step-instruction to install majordomo on a linux-sendmail-system. Does anyone have a step-by-step-introduction for installing majordomo on a linux (debian)-system with sendmail? Or maybe, has anyone the time and fun to teach me over irc? Thanks and bye Jonas --=20 | .-. | 2nd mail: bilbo.beutlin@mail.de | jmeurer.dnsalias.org | /v\ | ****************************************************** | /( )\ | **** Linux is like a wigwam: **** | ^^ ^^ | **** no windows, no gates and an apache inside! **** From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 14 09:57:03 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA19523; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sluggo.ptk.org (sluggo.ptk.org [208.226.43.8]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B431417EB6 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6719 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 17:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 05FH8) (10.5.0.115) by sluggo.ptk.org with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 17:42:31 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20011114114225.00fafaa4@mail.ptk.org> X-Sender: lucketbg@mail.ptk.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:42:25 -0600 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM From: Bill Luckett Subject: Changing To: Header Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, Did not see this addressed in the FAQ, readme or archives. Management, , wants me to change the To: header (or any header) on our lists to show the recipient's real name, Phi Theta Kappa member number and email address. So instead of: "To: this_list@ptk.org " Management wants: "To: Bill Luckett member #12345 " Right now I'm using ezmlm-idx/qmail and it can be made to give me "To: bill.luckett@ptk.org" rather than its usual "To: this_list@ptk.org" but it won't send with the 'real name' even though you can subscribe it that way. Seems to be a problem with qmail not liking the address. Frustrating, since you can do it from a regular MUA. 1. Can majordomo/some_MTA be made to subscribe "Bill Luckett member #12345 " and 2. ...actually send it with that 'real name' info in the To: (or some other) header? If it can I'll consider switching or setting up this particular list with mojordomo. If not, anyonw know of alist manager that can? Thanks in advance from an ezmlm/qmail heretic--please be gentle ;) ******************************************* Bill Luckett Director of Information Systems Phi Theta Kappa International Honor Society 1625 Eastover Dr. Jackson, MS 39211 bill.luckett@ptk.org Ph : 601-984-3559 Fax: 601-984-3506 ******************************************* From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 14 13:27:04 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA22048; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.omnitec.net (mail.omnitec.net [206.197.251.199]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBD817EAE for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from dewey.omnitec.net ([206.197.251.5]) by mail.omnitec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA85391 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:58:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from lvl@omnitec.net) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011114144914.00ae3180@mail.omnitec.net> X-Sender: lvl@mail.omnitec.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:57:05 -0600 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com From: "L. V. Lammert" Subject: Operating System Error Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-668A2D7A; boundary="=======5A8B1CA8=======" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk --=======5A8B1CA8======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-668A2D7A; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi folks, I tried to paw through the archives, .. but couldn't find anything on an 'Operating System Error'. This is a weird problem, one that's driving me buggy! I had MD 1.94.4 installed, .. then removed and installed 1.94.5, same problem. I have *ONE* list that works properly. When I create a *SECOND* list, I can subscribe to it and it responds properly, but posting a message to *that* list causes the mail to hang in the mail queue with a stat of 'Operating System Error'. wrapper config-test works fine, .. the stat line in maillog is the only error status I can find on the machine, .. it looks like all permissions are at least set the same between the list that doesn't work and the list that does. Can anyone point me to some way I can figure this out? TIA, Lee ============================================ Leland V. Lammert lvl@omnitec.net Chief Scientist Omnitec Corporation Network/Internet Consultants www.omnitec.net ============================================ --=======5A8B1CA8=======-- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 14 13:57:37 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA22739; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pandora.webct.com (pandora.webct.com [209.87.17.8]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DA717EAE for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:49:08 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C16D56.35C3125A" Subject: Majordomo Abort - "Hostile Address" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:49:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1B613653F9FBC64C9C39B948784A7A4C9246E6@pandora.webct.com> Thread-Topic: Majordomo Abort - "Hostile Address" Thread-Index: AcFtVjXAaoe1KoNDSg+/QcwqEwedzg== From: "Herding, Rick" To: Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16D56.35C3125A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGkgYWxsLA0KIA0KSSBqdXN0IHJlY2VpdmVkIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmcgZXJyb3IgbWVzc2FnZSBm b3Igb25lIG9mIG15IG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdHMuDQpDYW4gYW55b25lIHRlbGwgbWUgd2hhdCBwcm9t cHRlZCB0aGlzPw0KIA0KTUFKT1JET01PIEFCT1JUIChtal9tYWpvcmRvbW8pISENCg0KSE9TVElM RSBBRERSRVNTIChubyB4NDAwIEApIDwvRk9OVD48QT0yMA0KDQpUaGFua3MsIFJpY2suDQo= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16D56.35C3125A Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFuc2l0aW9uYWwv L0VOIj48SFRNTD48SEVBRD48TUVUQSBIVFRQLUVRVUlWPSJDb250ZW50LVR5cGUiIENPTlRFTlQ9 InRleHQvaHRtbDsgY2hhcnNldD11dGYtOCI+PC9IRUFEPjxCT0RZPjxESVY+SGkgYWxsLDwvRElW Pgo8RElWPiZuYnNwOzwvRElWPgo8RElWPkkganVzdCByZWNlaXZlZCB0aGUgZm9sbG93aW5nIGVy cm9yIG1lc3NhZ2UgZm9yIG9uZSBvZiBteSBtYWlsaW5nIApsaXN0cy4mbmJzcDsgQ2FuIGFueW9u ZSB0ZWxsIG1lIHdoYXQgcHJvbXB0ZWQgdGhpcz88L0RJVj4KPERJVj4mbmJzcDs8L0RJVj4KPERJ Vj5NQUpPUkRPTU8gQUJPUlQgKG1qX21ham9yZG9tbykhITxCUj48QlI+SE9TVElMRSBBRERSRVNT IChubyB4NDAwIEApIAombHQ7L0ZPTlQmZ3Q7Jmx0O0E9MjA8QlI+PC9ESVY+CjxESVY+VGhhbmtz LCBSaWNrLjwvRElWPjwvQk9EWT48L0hUTUw+ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16D56.35C3125A-- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 14 14:42:04 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id OAA23242; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.87]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63D817EAE for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from tbirdnt ([24.176.73.237]) by femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011114221946.FETD16517.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tbirdnt> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:19:46 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Anthony Zimmerman" To: Subject: A simple alias problem (I think) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:24:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have majordomo installed and working as expected from the command line via echo commands, however emailing ANY command to majordomo or my test list simply drops that email in my mailbox. When my sendmail was set up, I instructed my contractor to drop all email that didn't go to a valid mailbox into my account. I think that may be why the emails are ending up in my mailbox. Still, majordomo should be catching these commands and doing something. So I think the problem lies with my aliases file. I haven't found any decent documentation on how the aliases file should be set up and my guesses certainly aren't working. I'm wondering if someone can post alias entries for a simple mailing list that allows anyone to subscribe, but only the list owner to post. (Company mailing list to the public.) I have no idea what the alias entries below do (or are supposed to do). Here's my /etc/mail/aliases file for my test list: /etc/mail/aliases: #My test list (cat-lovers) cat-lovers: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l cat-lovers cat-lovers-list -h awesome drinks.com" cat-lovers-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/cat-lovers cat-lovers-owner: anthonyz owner-cat-lovers: anthonyz cat-lovers-approval: anthonyz cat-lovers-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l cat-lovers" I've been trying to get majordomo to work for over 3 weeks, so believe me, any help is deeply appreciated. Thanks, Anthony From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 14 23:44:48 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA29343; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DEF17EC6 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAF7PxY20699 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.240.45]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMTZBD00.VEB; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:26:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF36D0E.DEF40676@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:21:50 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "L. V. Lammert" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Operating System Error References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011114144914.00ae3180@mail.omnitec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk What is the alias name of your list? What is the filename of your list zubscriber file? Did you pattern the aliases for your second list from the working first list? Are the permissions/ownerships of your second list filename the same as your first list? What is the exact message sendmail provides regarding mail to the second list? Look for typos and illegal characters in your listname aliases and filename. Dan Liston "L. V. Lammert" wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I tried to paw through the archives, .. but couldn't find anything on an > 'Operating System Error'. This is a weird problem, one that's driving me buggy! > > I had MD 1.94.4 installed, .. then removed and installed 1.94.5, same > problem. I have *ONE* list that works properly. When I create a *SECOND* > list, I can subscribe to it and it responds properly, but posting a message > to *that* list causes the mail to hang in the mail queue with a stat of > 'Operating System Error'. > > wrapper config-test works fine, .. the stat line in maillog is the only > error status I can find on the machine, .. it looks like all permissions > are at least set the same between the list that doesn't work and the list > that does. > > Can anyone point me to some way I can figure this out? From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 00:45:10 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id AAA00289; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CD017EC6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAF8UQY19778 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.240.45]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMU2AR01.UGW; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:30:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF37C29.BC4D7E39@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:26:17 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonas Meurer Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: step-by-step-instruction to install majordomo on a linux-sendmail-system. References: <20011113195708.D4536@testsystem.server0.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I don't have that kind of time available to me lately, but you might try some self help by searching the mailing list archives, or starting with an rpm version of the installation. Using google, you can also find places with HOW-TO files with exact recipes of what to do to make it work. I have composed such recipes (step-by-step installations) which are in the archives and indexed in several search engines. If you get a response willing to help via IRC, fantastic and good luck. Dan Liston Jonas Meurer wrote: > > Does anyone have a step-by-step-introduction for installing majordomo > on a linux (debian)-system with sendmail? > Or maybe, has anyone the time and fun to teach me over irc? From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 00:59:56 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id AAA00409; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253A117EC6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAF8fbx14565 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.240.45]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMU2TC03.CGN; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:41:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF37EC5.EC582F12@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:37:25 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Kasky Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: set sender error message References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011113122756.00b4bfc8@mail.esson.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Ed, Are you sure you are using the correct sendmail.cf or trusted-users file? If your server is hosted, you might need to pipe the message through mail to a fully qualified majordomo address like majordomo@yoda.wrenkasky.com or majordomo@esson.net. You are correct regarding a trust relationship to sendmail though. Dan Liston Ed Kasky wrote: > > Folks - > > Now before you jump up and down about this being covered in the faq and in > the archives, hear me out for one second.... ;-) > > What am I missing if I am running this from _my_ crontab, not root's: > > 01 0 * * * echo mkdigest list-digest list-digest-outgoing list.passwd | > mail majordomo > > ...and it causes the following: > > Nov 13 00:01:01 yoda sendmail[20770]: fAD811CY020770: > Authentication-Warning: yoda.wrenkasky.com: majordom set sender to > Majordomo-Owner@esson.net using -f > Nov 13 00:01:01 yoda sendmail[20774]: fAD811nE020774: > Authentication-Warning: yoda.wrenkasky.com: majordom set sender to > owner-therox-digest@esson.net using -f > > majordom is set as a trusted user in sendmail.cf and I double checked the > ownership of the files in ../majordomo and they are majordom.majordom. > > ???? > > Thanks in advance.... > > Ed > ~~ From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 04:06:41 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id DAA05402; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 03:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from scandd1.fhg.de (scandd1.dresden.fhg.de [192.102.167.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723BB17EB7 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 03:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from scandd1.fhg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scandd1.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAFBVuW20429 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:31:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from iis.fhg.de (iis.iis.fhg.de [153.96.172.2]) by scandd1.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAFBVt820425 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:31:55 +0100 (MET) Received: by iis.fhg.de with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:31:54 +0100 (MET) from sunserv02.iis.fhg.de Received: from iis.fhg.de by sunserv02.iis.fhg.de (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id MAA18732; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:31:23 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3BF3A8DF.BF17E8A6@iis.fhg.de> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:37:03 +0100 From: Sven Friedl Organization: Fraunhofer Institut =?iso-8859-1?Q?f=FCr?= Integrierte Schaltungen IIS-A X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Change List-Owner via Mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello everybody, I want to change the List-Owner (Mail-Adress), but I can config the list only with Mailcommands. I have no direct access to the server or the scripts. Can anybody help me? Thanks a lot! Greetings Sven _______________________________________________________________ Sven Friedl Graduand of the Medical Image Processing Group Fraunhofer-Institute for Integrated Circuits -- Applied Electronics (IIS-A) fon : +49 (0) 9131-776-506, fax : +49 (0) 9131-776-598 mailto:friedesn@iis.fhg.de, http://www.iis.fhg.de From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 06:01:08 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id FAA06498; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 05:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu (mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu [160.94.160.51]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CD817ECC for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 05:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:30:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:30:22 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:30:21 -0600 (CST) From: mjn X-Sender: mjn@garnet.tc.umn.edu To: Sven Friedl Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Change List-Owner via Mail In-Reply-To: <3BF3A8DF.BF17E8A6@iis.fhg.de> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Nov 15, 2001 Sven Friedl said something like: > I want to change the List-Owner (Mail-Adress), but I can config the list > only with Mailcommands. I have no direct access to the server or the > scripts. Changing the list owner involves changing values in the aliases file which cannot be done via email. You'll need to talk to the sys admin to do this. -- ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com ____________________________ Recursive: Adj. See Recursive. From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 06:07:58 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id FAA06519; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 05:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from scandd1.fhg.de (scandd1.dresden.fhg.de [192.102.167.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA12B17ECC for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 05:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from scandd1.fhg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scandd1.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAFDZbv00346 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:35:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from iis.fhg.de (iis.iis.fhg.de [153.96.172.2]) by scandd1.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAFDZa800342 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:35:36 +0100 (MET) Received: by iis.fhg.de with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:35:34 +0100 (MET) from sunserv02.iis.fhg.de Received: from iis.fhg.de by sunserv02.iis.fhg.de (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id OAA11244; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:35:03 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3BF3C5DB.4962F94D@iis.fhg.de> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:40:43 +0100 From: Sven Friedl Organization: Fraunhofer Institut =?iso-8859-1?Q?f=FCr?= Integrierte Schaltungen IIS-A X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Change List-Owner via Mail References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks for the tip! Can I view which address is set at the moment? mjn schrieb: > On Nov 15, 2001 Sven Friedl said something like: > > > I want to change the List-Owner (Mail-Adress), but I can config the list > > only with Mailcommands. I have no direct access to the server or the > > scripts. > > Changing the list owner involves changing values in the aliases file which > cannot be done via email. You'll need to talk to the sys admin to do > this. > > -- > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > ____________________________ > Recursive: Adj. See Recursive. -- _______________________________________________________________ Sven Friedl Graduand of the Medical Image Processing Group Fraunhofer-Institute for Integrated Circuits -- Applied Electronics (IIS-A) fon : +49 (0) 9131-776-506, fax : +49 (0) 9131-776-598 mailto:friedesn@iis.fhg.de, http://www.iis.fhg.de From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 07:40:20 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA07564; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from scandd1.fhg.de (scandd1.dresden.fhg.de [192.102.167.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BD417EC8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from scandd1.fhg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scandd1.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAFFF2M08528 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:15:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from iis.fhg.de (iis.iis.fhg.de [153.96.172.2]) by scandd1.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAFFF2808522 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:15:02 +0100 (MET) Received: by iis.fhg.de with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:15:00 +0100 (MET) from sunserv02.iis.fhg.de Received: from iis.fhg.de by sunserv02.iis.fhg.de (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id QAA27778; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:14:29 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3BF3DD28.65C20CF3@iis.fhg.de> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:20:08 +0100 From: Sven Friedl Organization: Fraunhofer Institut =?iso-8859-1?Q?f=FCr?= Integrierte Schaltungen IIS-A X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo_Users Subject: restrict_post Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, another question from me: I want a restrict_post for my list, but I have no access to the Majordomo Directory. Can I use a filename in another directory (my www) like /usr/me/www/? Thanks again for tips. Greetings Sven -- _______________________________________________________________ Sven Friedl Graduand of the Medical Image Processing Group Fraunhofer-Institute for Integrated Circuits -- Applied Electronics (IIS-A) fon : +49 (0) 9131-776-506, fax : +49 (0) 9131-776-598 mailto:friedesn@iis.fhg.de, http://www.iis.fhg.de From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 10:55:27 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA09884; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu (mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu [160.94.160.51]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1614F17EC4 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:36:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:35:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:35:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:35:59 -0600 (CST) From: mjn X-Sender: mjn@garnet.tc.umn.edu To: Sven Friedl Cc: Majordomo_Users Subject: Re: restrict_post In-Reply-To: <3BF3DD28.65C20CF3@iis.fhg.de> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Nov 15, 2001 Sven Friedl said something like: > I want a restrict_post for my list, but I have no access to the > Majordomo Directory. > Can I use a filename in another directory (my www) like /usr/me/www/? I think that will work, provided you know the full path to the filename. -- ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com ____________________________ Recursive: Adj. See Recursive. From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 11:10:25 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA09919; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mhub-c4.tc.umn.edu (mhub-c4.tc.umn.edu [160.94.128.49]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D74D17EC4 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub-c4.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:37:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:37:13 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:37:13 -0600 (CST) From: mjn X-Sender: mjn@garnet.tc.umn.edu To: Sven Friedl Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Change List-Owner via Mail In-Reply-To: <3BF3C5DB.4962F94D@iis.fhg.de> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Nov 15, 2001 Sven Friedl said something like: > Can I view which address is set at the moment? Without shell access to the server, I don't think so. You'd need to cat the aliases file to see all of the aliases and those are likely read protected from normal users even if you do have shell access. -- ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com ____________________________ Recursive: Adj. See Recursive. From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 11:17:35 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA09995; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:41:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sparkie.elmo.osl.state.or.us (elmo.osl.state.or.us [159.121.122.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0533D17EC4 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by sparkie.elmo.osl.state.or.us (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 4B8E51ED1B; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:41:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:41:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Christopher A. Adams" X-Sender: chris@elmo.osl.state.or.us To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: extension blocking for attachments? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This may have been discussed here before and I have briefly scanned the archives. I need to block certain extensions of attachments that are sent through the list. The purpose is to block potential viruses. I originally thought that I would try to block viruses through the MTA (Postfix). Then I thought that it would possibly simpler to do at least a partial filtering directly through Majordomo, if that is possible. The server is only used for hosting the lists, so there are no POP accounts. So, is this possible, or should I be looking at something like Amavis and a virus scan program for Unix? Christopher Adams Automated Systems Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 14:31:10 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id OAA12466; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3866C17ECC for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: [from pobox3.mot.com (pobox3.mot.com [10.64.251.242]) by ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox 2.1) with ESMTP id PAA08888 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:20:38 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from grumpy.rsch.comm.mot.com (grumpy.rsch.comm.mot.com [145.1.80.93]) by pobox3.mot.com (MOT-pobox3 2.0) with ESMTP id PAA23916 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:10:58 -0700 (MST)] Received: from labs.mot.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.rsch.comm.mot.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17022; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:21:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BF43FDE.55F9C4C4@labs.mot.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:21:18 -0600 From: Bryan Thale Organization: Motorola Labs, Networking & Infrastructure Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Christopher A. Adams" Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: extension blocking for attachments? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You could try demime http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html if you want to get rid of attachments all together. It is possible to be more selective in allowing attachments through Majordomo. I've hacked the resend script in my Majordomo 1.94.5 setup to strip out binary attachments and replace them with pointers to where the now detached files can be found. I use the Content-Type MIME header to determine whether to detach the attachment or allow it to pass through. I can't think of any reason right off hand why a similar technique based on the filename extension of the attached file wouldn't also work except that the filename is under the control of the virus sender whereas the MIME type has to be a standardized value. If you don't mind hacking on Majordomo a bit you can do what you intend without add-on products. Bryan. -- Bryan Thale Motorola Labs, Networking and Infrastructure Research mailto:thale@labs.mot.com "Christopher A. Adams" wrote: > This may have been discussed here before and I have briefly scanned the > archives. I need to block certain extensions of attachments that are sent > through the list. The purpose is to block potential viruses. I originally > thought that I would try to block viruses through the MTA (Postfix). Then > I thought that it would possibly simpler to do at least a partial > filtering directly through Majordomo, if that is possible. The server is > only used for hosting the lists, so there are no POP accounts. > > So, is this possible, or should I be looking at something like Amavis and > a virus scan program for Unix? > > Christopher Adams > Automated Systems > Oregon State Library > chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 21:16:40 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA16735; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ncable.com.au (mail.ncable.com.au [203.208.81.110]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998BD17EBB for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from darrinrobinson [203.208.66.10] by ncable.com.au [203.208.81.110] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0.R) for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:01:34 +1000 From: "Darrin Robinson" To: Subject: Unix groups Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:03:17 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MDRemoteIP: 203.208.66.10 X-Return-Path: darrin@neighborhoodcable.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, Im wondering if it is possible to make Majordomo use Unix Groups as the basis for its list members. Eg. send to all unix users who are a member of unix group "dialup". Regards, Darrin Robinson IT Technician Neighborhoodcable 10 Neerim Crescent Mitchell Park, Ballarat VIC 3355 Australia Tel +61 3 53390562 Fax +61 3 53381504 darrin@neighborhoodcable.com.au ___________________________ The information transmitted by the following e-mail is intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any interception, review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited by law and may subject them to criminal or civil liability. If you received this communication in error, please contact us immediately at +61 3 53390400, and delete the communication from any computer or network system. ------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 23:14:57 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA17888; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DAE17EBB for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAG76IY15852 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.240.42]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMVT2K01.E5Q; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:06:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF4B9F3.6E8EA3AF@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:02:11 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darrin Robinson Cc: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Unix groups References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk If you can make sendmail do this, I do not see why majordomo can't. Dan Liston Darrin Robinson wrote: > > Im wondering if it is possible to make Majordomo use Unix Groups as the > basis for its list members. Eg. send to all unix users who are a member of > unix group "dialup". From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 15 23:29:57 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA18024; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.amazon-networks.com (unknown [209.235.8.230]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD60017ECD for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:23:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (24-205-45-143.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com [24.205.45.143]) by ns1.amazon-networks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10524 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:40:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: msalinas@209.235.8.232 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20011113195708.D4536@testsystem.server0.de> References: <20011113195708.D4536@testsystem.server0.de> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:22:50 -0800 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: "Mario A. Salinas" Subject: Creating Digest Lists on Cobalt Raq3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, I'm new to this list so I ask that you all forgive my ignorance while I get up to speed. I have a Cobalt Raq3 and use the control panel interface that Cobalt provides to create lists for a client. The client is a friend of mine and is having trouble finding the commands required to... 1. Create a digest version of an existing list. Our control panel lets us create a list so we made a new list that has the same name as our list but with "-digest" appended to the name. So 'OurList' would be the name of the list and the digest version created has the '-digest' appended and looks as follows: 'OurList-digest' But when we send commands to configure the 'digest' version of the list we are told no digest exists. What we do not understand most of all is that if the digest gets its info from the original list, how could a digest be a separate list? How can it not be a result and not a command within the originating list? 2. Manually switch people to/from (subscribe/unsubscribe) the digest version of the list because the Cobalt doesn't seem to provide any way of doing that. Can anyone help with the easiest method of accomplishing that goal? I have attempted to get help from the company we lease our machines from in the resolution of these questions to no avail. I have recently installed MajorCool on the Cobalt machine and was lucky enough to get someone to sit with me for two hours during the installation process but we were unable to get that working either. This is why I'm hoping someone here has had some experience with this issue on a Cobalt Raq3 running Linux. We've been struggling with this stuff for months. On a side note... This client/friend of mine is a well known author who helps her readers every day and posts help on several lists herself. Unfortunatly, so far, we've had no luck getting the answers we need to put this problem to rest. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Really. Thanks in advance, Mario A. Salinas From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 01:29:17 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id AAA18964; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:55:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582CA17ECD for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAG8thx08554 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.240.42]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMVY4U03.04U for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:55:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF45236.F5CA25EF@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:39:34 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo_Users Subject: Re: restrict_post References: <3BF3DD28.65C20CF3@iis.fhg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You can BUT.... You have to worry about sendmail security in that the entire path to the file has to be go-w permission, as well as the file itself. Then you have to worry about sendmail not being able to get to or read the file. Dan Liston Sven Friedl wrote: > > I want a restrict_post for my list, but I have no access to the > Majordomo Directory. > Can I use a filename in another directory (my www) like /usr/me/www/? From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 02:17:43 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA20858; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.zol.co.zw (apollo.zol.co.zw [216.252.247.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9C217EB0 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hera.zol.co.zw (hera.zol.co.zw [216.252.247.10]) by apollo.zol.co.zw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087C17F8C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:30:25 +0200 (CAT) Received: from fido.mango.zw (unverified [216.252.246.222]) by hera.zol.co.zw (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.193) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:06:20 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by fido.mango.zw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id MAA00619 for Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:03:03 +0200 Received: (from ifmail@localhost) by healthnet.zw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA12344 for Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:55:01 +0200 Received: from p5.f2.n7211.z5.fidonet.org by f2.n7211.z5.fidonet.org with FTN (ifmail v.2.14) id AA12310; Fri, 16 Nov 01 11:55:01 +0200 To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: rborland Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:55:01 +0200 Subject: Unix groups Message-ID: <3601489074@p5.f2.n7211.z5.ftn> In-Reply-To: <4259272134@neighborhoodcable.com.au> X-Mailer: FrontDoor APX/w 1.12b UnReg(640) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk * Original to: Darrin Robinson (darrin@neighborhoodcable.com.au) * One carbon copy > Im wondering if it is possible to make Majordomo use Unix > Groups as the basis for its list members. Eg. send to all unix > users who are a member of unix group "dialup". > I'm a Majordomo newbie myself, so the only way I could do this would be to get the usernames from /etc/groups and then subscribe them to the mailing list. You could easily write a little script to "grep" for the desired group, "cut" the usernames from the line and send appropriate "subscribe" commands to majordomo. You could run this script from cron adjusting the frequency according to the rate at which group membership changes on your system. You'd have to "diff" the results of each run with the previous one to capture any changes which you'd send off to majordomo as "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" commands. Or, even simpler, "unsubscribe" all the previous users and "subscribe" all the new ones each time you run your script. The script should disable the existing list while it's running. I can only think of crude ways of doing this using Majordomo's lists directory. The elegant solution would be to lock majordomo using lock files but whether it will accept "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" commands in the presence of these locks I don't know. Regards, Rob -*- Carbon Copy recipients follow: -*- darrin@neighborhoodcable.com.au CC: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 05:50:13 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id FAA24808; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 05:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A0617ECD for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 05:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.164.46.70] (2416446hfc70.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.46.70]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAGDbPJ01107 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:37:25 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:38:51 -0500 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM From: Donna Subject: Digest problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi - I have managed majordomo lists for several years so I have some knowledge of how it works. I recently changed web hosting companies and after setting up my lists have experienced trouble with the digests. From what I have been able to determine the problem has something to do with the owner addresses. Here is what is or isn't happening: - digests are not being generated - if I send a mkdigest command I receive a message back from majordomo with the command but a digest is not created - messages sent to owner-@ are not being sent to me (this may be a problem with the way the hosting company has things set up?) Thanks for your help. I understand that fixing the problem is probably not something I can do via the config file but I thought if you had suggestions I could pass them on to the tech at the hosting company. Thanks again! Donna De Poalo From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 09:00:19 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA26664; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from uuism.uuism.net (pointer.beside.hilto.net [66.70.153.119]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C27E17ECF for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:44:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from torch (dhcp-022.rback0.chcg0.il.voyager.net [169.207.20.22]) by uuism.uuism.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAGGiJS18158 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:44:20 -0600 From: "Jim Hermann" To: Subject: Where are List Defaults? Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:42:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 In-Reply-To: <200111161556.HAA26076@honor.greatcircle.com> Importance: Normal Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Where does Majordomo store the list defaults that it uses when it creates a new list? Jim ----- Jim Hermann UUism Networks Ministering to the Needs of Online UUs Web Hosting, Web Design, Mailing Lists ----- From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 11:44:22 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA28395; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A80A17E8E for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31331 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 18:45:55 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 18:45:55 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (ssl [208.201.224.119]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id fAGIjsX08459 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:45:54 -0800 Message-Id: <200111161845.fAGIjsX08459@ultra.sonic.net> X-envelope-info: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:45:54 -0000 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.1 X-Client-IP: 209.232.116.100 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I think I'm in over my head here. Is there a "Majordomo for Idiots?" I'm trying to figure out how this thing works. I subscribed two of my email addresses to Napahighdialogue@sonic.net, a mailing list I established there. When I send a "who" command, I get back brucenow@sonic.net and [bwilsonnow@yahoo.com]. Brucenow@sonic.net is me, the owner. When I send an email to either napahighdialogue@sonic.net or napahighdialogue@lists.sonic.net I get backthe following message. <[bwilsonnow@yahoo.com]@afterburner.sonic.net>: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) Why doesn't my email go to both email addresses since both are in the who list? Bruce Wilson From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 13:22:55 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA29764; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B67F17EDD for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:43:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.164.46.70] (2416446hfc70.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.46.70]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAGKhZO06170 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:43:39 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:45:03 -0500 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM From: Donna Subject: Re: Digest problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi- I wrote earlier with questions about problems I am having with my digests. I received a reply(thank you!) with a request for these three things: - aliases for the list - the dir permissions - file structure that your new isp has set for you. I wrote to the hosting company and he's not sure what files these are...he asked if they were the config files. I didn't think so since I can retrieve the config file for both the list and the digest. Could you tell me more about the files you need so I can get them from him? Thanks so much. Donna At 8:38 AM -0500 11/16/01, Donna wrote: >Hi - > >I have managed majordomo lists for several years so I have some >knowledge of how it works. I recently changed web hosting companies >and after setting up my lists have experienced trouble with the >digests. From what I have been able to determine the problem has >something to do with the owner addresses. > >Here is what is or isn't happening: > >- digests are not being generated >- if I send a mkdigest command I receive a message back from >majordomo with the command but a digest is not created >- messages sent to owner-@ are not being sent to me (this >may be a problem with the way the hosting company has things set up?) > > >Thanks for your help. I understand that fixing the problem is >probably not something I can do via the config file but I thought if >you had suggestions I could pass them on to the tech at the hosting >company. > >Thanks again! > >Donna De Poalo From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 16:50:10 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA02381; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140CF17EDD for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAH0cKY01224 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.27]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMX5RX00.HER; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:38:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF5B182.7118BD69@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:38:26 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: brucenow@sonic.net Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: References: <200111161845.fAGIjsX08459@ultra.sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Considering there should not be an actual user named napahighdialogue, there should be an entry for this in the /etc/aliases file. What does that look like? Dan Liston brucenow@sonic.net wrote: > > I think I'm in over my head here. Is there a "Majordomo for Idiots?" I'm > trying to figure out how this thing works. I subscribed two of my email > addresses to Napahighdialogue@sonic.net, a mailing list I established there. > When I send a "who" command, I get back brucenow@sonic.net and > [bwilsonnow@yahoo.com]. Brucenow@sonic.net is me, the owner. When I send an > email to either napahighdialogue@sonic.net or > napahighdialogue@lists.sonic.net I get backthe following message. > <[bwilsonnow@yahoo.com]@afterburner.sonic.net>: > Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > Why doesn't my email go to both email addresses since both are in the who > list? > > Bruce Wilson From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 17:05:31 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA02481; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5543B17EE0 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAH0mlx22566 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.27]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMX69801.K9H; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:48:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF5B3F1.3BF713C@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:48:49 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Hermann Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Where are List Defaults? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In the config_parse.pl file. Dan Liston Jim Hermann wrote: > > Where does Majordomo store the list defaults that it uses when it creates a > new list? > > Jim > ----- > Jim Hermann > UUism Networks > Ministering to the Needs of Online UUs > Web Hosting, Web Design, Mailing Lists > ----- From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 17:50:11 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id RAA02918; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D6217EE0 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAH1VHx10143 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.27]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMX88100.KG1; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:31:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF5BDE6.ABC06FC3@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:31:19 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donna Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Digest problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk If your list is called "test" and you are digesting messages, the aliases file should have entries that look something like this; test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" owner-test: dliston, test-approval: owner-test test-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /var/lib/majordomo/archive/test/test -a -M" test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing", test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" #test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" test-digest: test owner-test-digest: owner-test test-digest-approval: owner-test test-digest-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest" The above has dependencies on your majordomo.cf file settings for; $whereami = "domain.org"; $homedir = "/usr/lib/majordomo"; $listdir = "/var/lib/majordomo/lists"; $digest_work_dir = "/var/lib/majordomo/digest"; $filedir = "/var/lib/majordomo/archive"; $filedir_suffix = ""; ^note^ you must create the subdirectories for test and test-digest /var/lib/majordomo/digest/test-digest /var/lib/majordomo/archive/test /var/lib/majordomo/archive/test-digest If you are using sendmail as your MTA, none of these directories can be group or world writable. Dan Liston Donna wrote: > > Hi- > > I wrote earlier with questions about problems I am having with my > digests. I received a reply(thank you!) with a request for these > three things: > > - aliases for the list > - the dir permissions > - file structure that your new isp has set for you. > > I wrote to the hosting company and he's not sure what files these > are...he asked if they were the config files. I didn't think so since > I can retrieve the config file for both the list and the digest. > Could you tell me more about the files you need so I can get them > from him? > > Thanks so much. > > Donna > > At 8:38 AM -0500 11/16/01, Donna wrote: > >Hi - > > > >I have managed majordomo lists for several years so I have some > >knowledge of how it works. I recently changed web hosting companies > >and after setting up my lists have experienced trouble with the > >digests. From what I have been able to determine the problem has > >something to do with the owner addresses. > > > >Here is what is or isn't happening: > > > >- digests are not being generated > >- if I send a mkdigest command I receive a message back from > >majordomo with the command but a digest is not created > >- messages sent to owner-@ are not being sent to me (this > >may be a problem with the way the hosting company has things set up?) > > > > > >Thanks for your help. I understand that fixing the problem is > >probably not something I can do via the config file but I thought if > >you had suggestions I could pass them on to the tech at the hosting > >company. > > > >Thanks again! > > > >Donna De Poalo From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 18:35:20 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA03405; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C961217EB4 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAH2Gpx29784 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.27]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMXAC001.VD9; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:16:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF5C895.9035BB79@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:16:53 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mario A. Salinas" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Creating Digest Lists on Cobalt Raq3 References: <20011113195708.D4536@testsystem.server0.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have no experience with cobalt systems, but lots of experience with majordomo. A digest IS a separate list, the way majordomo works, but it is controlled via the /etc/aliases (or additional aliases) file(s). Something to keep in mind, is majordomo/sendmail allow mixed/upper case names for your list(s), but, the filename for the list MUST be in "lower" case. A list named OurList in the aliases file would be named ourlist (no upper case letters) on the hard drive. Hopefully, your control panel takes care of this for you. Secondly, a digest is more than just a separate list. It is only a separate list when it comes to subscribers. When digesting a list, you need aliases that direct messages written directly to the digest to be redirected into the non-digested list, but resent to the tool or alias that actually combines the messages into a digest. I wrote a message to this list earlier today with a sample set of aliases that may help you understand this. I have no knowledge of majorcool either, but you will probably get other responses regarding majorcool from those members that are knowledgeable in this area. Dan Liston "Mario A. Salinas" wrote: > > Greetings, > > I'm new to this list so I ask that you all forgive my ignorance while > I get up to speed. I have a Cobalt Raq3 and use the control panel > interface that Cobalt provides to create lists for a client. The > client is a friend of mine and is having trouble finding the commands > required to... > > 1. Create a digest version of an existing list. Our control > panel lets us create a list so we made a new list that has the same > name as our list but with "-digest" appended to the name. So > 'OurList' would be the name of the list and the digest version > created has the '-digest' appended and looks as follows: > > 'OurList-digest' > > But when we send commands to configure the 'digest' version of the > list we are told no digest exists. > > What we do not understand most of all is that if the digest gets its > info from the original list, how could a digest be a separate list? > How can it not be a result and not a command within the originating > list? > > 2. Manually switch people to/from (subscribe/unsubscribe) the > digest version of the list because the Cobalt doesn't seem to provide > any way of doing that. > > Can anyone help with the easiest method of accomplishing that goal? > > I have attempted to get help from the company we lease our machines > from in the resolution of these questions to no avail. > > I have recently installed MajorCool on the Cobalt machine and was > lucky enough to get someone to sit with me for two hours during the > installation process but we were unable to get that working either. > This is why I'm hoping someone here has had some experience with this > issue on a Cobalt Raq3 running Linux. We've been struggling with > this stuff for months. > > On a side note... This client/friend of mine is a well known author > who helps her readers every day and posts help on several lists > herself. Unfortunatly, so far, we've had no luck getting the answers > we need to put this problem to rest. Your help will be greatly > appreciated. Really. > > Thanks in advance, > > Mario A. Salinas From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 16 20:35:16 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA04694; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ginger.wingscc.com (unknown [208.152.97.245]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D315917EC5 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from latitude.wingscc.com ([208.152.97.248]) by ginger.wingscc.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 103-51852U100L100S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:12:59 -0600 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20011116215609.00a49720@mail.wingscc.com> X-Sender: jeffb@mail.wingscc.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:12:05 -0600 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Jeff Blankenbiller Subject: Return Messages caused by SPAM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I was wondering how other majordomo admins handle returned messages that are by spam? My mailing lists have been around for some time and I have had zubscribe instructions, including the list-request addresses, posted on html files on the internet. Well, all the spambots have picked up the request addresses and are spamming them. Majordomo interprets the spam as invalid commands and sends the standard help message to the reply or from address which is naturally an invalid address. The help message is then bounced back to me through the Majordomo-Owner address. I just wanted to know how other people handle the returned help messages. Jeff From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 17 07:04:09 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA13595; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.clifftop.net (machassociates-6.dsl.easynet.co.uk [217.204.162.182]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE95017EC0 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from workstation ([192.168.1.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.clifftop.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fAHEVBIP035027 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:31:11 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:31:18 GMT From: Danny Horne To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Switching reply addresses Message-Id: <20011117142140.DAF0.DANNY@clifftop.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.00.07 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've just installed Majordomo 1.95 from ports on my FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE machine & am using Webmin to set up some lists. I would prefer that lists were set to reply to the list address when hitting 'reply' & all recipients when hitting 'reply-all', but I find that the default seems to be to reply to the original sender of any message when hitting 'reply'. I know setting a 'reply-to' address breaks the ability to easily reply to the original sender, but is there any way I can munge the config files so that the default behaviour is reversed. Thanks -- Danny Horne From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 17 13:31:31 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA17383; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B637117EE4 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAHLHbY12583 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.3]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMYR5C00.CHV; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:17:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF6D3F3.1BEA0351@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:17:39 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Kasky Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: set sender error message References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011113122756.00b4bfc8@mail.esson.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011116224701.00b7b280@mail.esson.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Ed, I am glad the problem is solved. I am keeping your note in a special mail folder I have created for quick reference to these type of things. You are definately more educated in sendmail 8.12 than I am, as I have not made the leap quite as far yet. I am only up to sendmail 8.11.6. Now that you have blazed that trail, and provided the knowledge of MTA being separated from MSP, I have to consider whether or not I am even ready for that leap. The MSP used to be LDA (local delivery agent), so I wonder how many other programs this will impact, such as procmail. Dan Liston Ed Kasky wrote: > > Hey Dan - > > As these things have a tendency to do, this turned into an > education. There are quite a few changes to sendmail security from 8.8 to > 8.12. I also discovered the newsgroup feature at google. Talk about quick > and easy access to newsgroups! and the threading is great... > > I checked to be sure that it was reading the correct .cf - which btw > changed from /etc to /etc/mail and had majordom listed. I did not have it > listed in submit.cf which I didn't think I was using but manually added it > there, restarted sendmail, ran a digest and no more Authentication-Warnings... > > Here is what I found out about submit.cf: > > "The default configuration starting with sendmail 8.12 uses one sendmail > binary which acts differently based on operation mode and supplied options. > sendmail must be a set-group-ID (default group: smmsp, recommended gid: 25) > program to allow for queueing mail in a group-writable directory. Two .cf > files are required: sendmail.cf for the daemon and submit.cf for the > submission program > > This is a brief summary how the two configuration files are used: > > sendmail.cf For the MTA (mail transmission agent) > The MTA is started by root as daemon: /PATH/TO/sendmail -L sm-mta -bd -q1h > it accepts SMTP connections (on ports 25 and 587 by default); it runs the > main queue (/var/spool/mqueue by default). > > submit.cf For the MSP (mail submission program) > The MSP is used to submit e-mails, hence it is invoked by programs (and > maybe users); it does not run as SMTP daemon; it uses > /var/spool/clientmqueue by default; it can be started to run that queue > periodically: /PATH/TO/sendmail -L sm-msp-queue -Ac -q30m" > > I was getting occasional warnings before I made the change and now I get > none. I wonder if by running the mail command from the command line it set > off the mail submission... > > Ed > > At 02:37 AM Thursday, 11/15/2001, you wrote -=> > >Hi Ed, > > > >Are you sure you are using the correct sendmail.cf or trusted-users file? > >If your server is hosted, you might need to pipe the message through mail > >to a fully qualified majordomo address like majordomo@yoda.wrenkasky.com > >or majordomo@esson.net. > > > >You are correct regarding a trust relationship to sendmail though. > > > >Dan Liston > > > >Ed Kasky wrote: > > > > > > Folks - > > > > > > Now before you jump up and down about this being covered in the faq and in > > > the archives, hear me out for one second.... ;-) > > > > > > What am I missing if I am running this from _my_ crontab, not root's: > > > > > > 01 0 * * * echo mkdigest list-digest list-digest-outgoing list.passwd | > > > mail majordomo > > > > > > ...and it causes the following: > > > > > > Nov 13 00:01:01 yoda sendmail[20770]: fAD811CY020770: > > > Authentication-Warning: yoda.wrenkasky.com: majordom set sender to > > > Majordomo-Owner@esson.net using -f > > > Nov 13 00:01:01 yoda sendmail[20774]: fAD811nE020774: > > > Authentication-Warning: yoda.wrenkasky.com: majordom set sender to > > > owner-therox-digest@esson.net using -f > > > > > > majordom is set as a trusted user in sendmail.cf and I double checked the > > > ownership of the files in ../majordomo and they are majordom.majordom. From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 17 13:46:34 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA17509; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AD517EE4 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAHLb5Y22377 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.3]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMYS1Q00.9JU; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:37:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF6D882.B52ADF46@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:37:06 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: brucenow@sonic.net, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo for Idiots? References: <200111170442.fAH4gfE01196@sub.sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Bruce, Here is a sample of aliases I sent to Donna via the majordomo-users list about digests, but the same sample, with minor modifications, can be used for a regular list too. If your list is called "test" and you are digesting messages, the aliases file should have entries that look something like this; test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" owner-test: dliston, test-approval: owner-test test-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /var/lib/majordomo/archive/test/test -a -M" test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing", test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" #test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" test-digest: test owner-test-digest: owner-test test-digest-approval: owner-test test-digest-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest" The above has dependencies on your majordomo.cf file settings for; $whereami = "domain.org"; $homedir = "/usr/lib/majordomo"; $listdir = "/var/lib/majordomo/lists"; $digest_work_dir = "/var/lib/majordomo/digest"; $filedir = "/var/lib/majordomo/archive"; $filedir_suffix = ""; ^note^ you must create the subdirectories for test and test-digest /var/lib/majordomo/digest/test-digest /var/lib/majordomo/archive/test /var/lib/majordomo/archive/test-digest If you are using sendmail as your MTA, none of these directories can be group or world writable. If you do not have direct file system access to these configuration files and directories, you will have to enlist the assistance of your service provider or system administrator. There is no form of access to the /etc/aliases or /etc/majordomo.cf via email commands to majordomo. If in fact you are the administrator of the machine running sendmail and majordomo, you pretty much have to understand the workings of the SMTP mail protocol, or at least be able to manipulate/understand sendmail fairly well, before attacking the complexity (or simplicity, depending on how you see it) of majordomo. Dan Liston brucenow@sonic.net wrote: > > Daniel, > > Thanks for your reply. I just sent you the results of an index command, but > this is probably not how I get the /etc/aliases file, huh? How do I get that. > > Bruce > > Daniel Liston said: > > > Considering there should not be an actual user named napahighdialogue, there > > should be an entry for this in the /etc/aliases file. What does that look > > like? > > > > Dan Liston > > > > brucenow@sonic.net wrote: > > > > > > I think I'm in over my head here. Is there a "Majordomo for Idiots?" I'm > > > trying to figure out how this thing works. I subscribed two of my email > > > addresses to Napahighdialogue@sonic.net, a mailing list I established > there. > > > When I send a "who" command, I get back brucenow@sonic.net and > > > [bwilsonnow@yahoo.com]. Brucenow@sonic.net is me, the owner. When I > send an > > > email to either napahighdialogue@sonic.net or > > > napahighdialogue@lists.sonic.net I get backthe following message. > > > <[bwilsonnow@yahoo.com]@afterburner.sonic.net>: > > > Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > > > Why doesn't my email go to both email addresses since both are in the who > > > list? > > > > > > Bruce Wilson > > > > -- From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 17 15:02:58 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id OAA18206; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937BB17EB1 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:45:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAHMjOx03974 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.3]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMYV7K00.HLO; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:45:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3BF6E884.ABE64DC@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:45:24 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Horne Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Switching reply addresses References: <20011117142140.DAF0.DANNY@clifftop.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I assume you mean majordomo 1.94.5 rather than 1.95. I can't help you with webmin. I do as little as possible via gui based administration. I only do my configurations by shell level editing of the files or by email, the way majordomo was designed to be managed. By sending a `config ` command in an email to majordomo@your.domain you can get the config file for the list. In this file is where you would set the reply_to = Just be careful when sending the file back to majordomo with the `newconfig` command that you do NOT have line wrapping enabled in your mail client. Dan Liston Danny Horne wrote: > > I've just installed Majordomo 1.95 from ports on my FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE machine & am using Webmin to set up some lists. > > I would prefer that lists were set to reply to the list address when hitting 'reply' & all recipients when hitting 'reply-all', but I find that the default seems to be to reply to the original sender of any message when hitting 'reply'. > > I know setting a 'reply-to' address breaks the ability to easily reply to the original sender, but is there any way I can munge the config files so that the default behaviour is reversed. From majordomo-users-owner Sun Nov 18 03:34:13 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id DAA25916; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sulphur.cix.co.uk (sulphur.cix.co.uk [212.35.225.149]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6155E17EDF for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mesh--computer (219.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.219]) by sulphur.cix.co.uk (8.11.3/CIX/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAIBAj402990; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:10:45 GMT X-Envelope-From: mwinnett@satchmo.win-uk.net Message-ID: <006801c17022$3efd9650$0101a8c0@mesh--computer> From: "Mike Winnett" To: "Daniel Liston" , "Danny Horne" Cc: Subject: Re: Switching reply addresses Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:09:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >By sending a `config ` command in an email to majordomo@your.domain >you can get the config file for the list. In this file is where you would set the >reply_to = >Just be careful when sending the file back to majordomo with the `newconfig` command >that you do NOT have line wrapping enabled in your mail client. > >Dan Liston > For this reason I use Netscape Communicator for all commands to the domo, with word wrap set to while using my normal mail software with wrap enabled for normal daily use. Additionally, I found that writing a few html pages means that I just need to select an item with a single mouse click and then send it off to the server using netscape, which eliminates a lot of the repetitive stuff and saves me a lot of time. regards mw www.satchmo.win-uk.net/arsehome From majordomo-users-owner Sun Nov 18 07:34:22 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA29515; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155BA17EDF for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.164.46.70] (2416446hfc70.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.46.70]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAIFKXA05056; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:20:33 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BF5BDE6.ABC06FC3@netscape.com> References: <3BF5BDE6.ABC06FC3@netscape.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:19:56 -0500 To: Daniel Liston From: Donna Subject: Re: Digest problems Cc: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Dan - Thank you! I have sent this to the guy at the web hosting company. I am hoping it will help him fix the problem. Donna At 7:31 PM -0600 11/16/01, Daniel Liston wrote: >If your list is called "test" and you are digesting messages, the >aliases file should have entries that look something like this; > >test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" >owner-test: dliston, >test-approval: owner-test >test-outgoing: >:include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify >test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f >/var/lib/majordomo/archive/test/test -a -M" >test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l >test-digest test-digest-outgoing", >test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" >#test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" >test-digest: test >owner-test-digest: owner-test >test-digest-approval: owner-test >test-digest-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest" > >The above has dependencies on your majordomo.cf file settings for; >$whereami = "domain.org"; >$homedir = "/usr/lib/majordomo"; >$listdir = "/var/lib/majordomo/lists"; >$digest_work_dir = "/var/lib/majordomo/digest"; >$filedir = "/var/lib/majordomo/archive"; >$filedir_suffix = ""; >^note^ you must create the subdirectories for test and test-digest >/var/lib/majordomo/digest/test-digest >/var/lib/majordomo/archive/test >/var/lib/majordomo/archive/test-digest > >If you are using sendmail as your MTA, none of these directories >can be group or world writable. > >Dan Liston > >Donna wrote: >> >> Hi- >> >> I wrote earlier with questions about problems I am having with my >> digests. I received a reply(thank you!) with a request for these >> three things: >> >> - aliases for the list >> - the dir permissions >> - file structure that your new isp has set for you. >> >> I wrote to the hosting company and he's not sure what files these >> are...he asked if they were the config files. I didn't think so since >> I can retrieve the config file for both the list and the digest. >> Could you tell me more about the files you need so I can get them >> from him? >> >> Thanks so much. >> >> Donna >> >> At 8:38 AM -0500 11/16/01, Donna wrote: >> >Hi - >> > >> >I have managed majordomo lists for several years so I have some >> >knowledge of how it works. I recently changed web hosting companies >> >and after setting up my lists have experienced trouble with the >> >digests. From what I have been able to determine the problem has >> >something to do with the owner addresses. >> > >> >Here is what is or isn't happening: >> > >> >- digests are not being generated >> >- if I send a mkdigest command I receive a message back from >> >majordomo with the command but a digest is not created >> >- messages sent to owner-@ are not being sent to me (this >> >may be a problem with the way the hosting company has things set up?) > > > > > > > > >Thanks for your help. I understand that fixing the problem is > > >probably not something I can do via the config file but I thought if > > >you had suggestions I could pass them on to the tech at the hosting >> >company. >> > >> >Thanks again! >> > >> >Donna De Poalo From majordomo-users-owner Sun Nov 18 10:39:13 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA01227; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sportsline.com (mail.sportsline.com [64.30.226.54]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B021F17ED3 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from robg.sportsline.com (external.sportsline.com [64.30.224.30]) by mail.sportsline.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fAIIMp113951 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:22:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011118130700.03653810@mail.sportsline.com> X-Sender: robg@mail.sportsline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:15:02 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Robert Geller Subject: Re: smrsh issue In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108134324.04cc2890@mail.sportsline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 01:48 PM 11/8/01 -0500, Robert Geller wrote: >I have been running majordomo-1.94.5 fine for a while. I was going to >upgrade sendmail to 8.12.1 and had some issues. >I replaced my sendmail binary/confs back to the original and now I am >getting smrsh errors with majordomo. > >My links in /etc/smrsh to ~majordomo/wrapper are in tact. At this point, >Im not sure what is going on. >I noticed now when I try and run ' ./wrapper config-test' I get a command >line error on wrapper which says use wrapper -c. Well....I decided to start from scratch. Re-installed majordomo, and now Im getting an Operating system error when I try to to send anything to majordomo. I read on the archives, this can be caused by permission problems, but my perms look good. sendmail[14793]: NAB14793: to="|/home/majordomo/wrapper majordomo", delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Operating system error Thanks in advance. -Rob From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 19 06:57:59 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA16439; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:41:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.137]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DCA17EBC for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from popi-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (pop500 [128.183.254.135]) by popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06313; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.183.234.170] (gse-g4.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.234.170]) by popi-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13254; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:38:49 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rjacobso@pop500.gsfc.nasa.gov Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20011117142140.DAF0.DANNY@clifftop.net> References: <20011117142140.DAF0.DANNY@clifftop.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:41:00 -0500 To: Danny Horne , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Robert C Jacobson Subject: Re: Switching reply addresses Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 2:31 PM +0000 11/17/01, Danny Horne wrote: >Hi all, > >I've just installed Majordomo 1.95 from ports on my FreeBSD >4.4-STABLE machine & am using Webmin to set up some lists. > >I would prefer that lists were set to reply to the list address when >hitting 'reply' & all recipients when hitting 'reply-all', but I >find that the default seems to be to reply to the original sender of >any message when hitting 'reply'. > >I know setting a 'reply-to' address breaks the ability to easily >reply to the original sender, but is there any way I can munge the >config files so that the default behaviour is reversed. > >Thanks >-- >Danny Horne Setting "reply-to:" to the list breaks more than that. See and -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Robert Jacobson Robert.Jacobson@gsfc.nasa.gov BS, Aeronautical Engineering Univ. of Md., College Park Flight Ops. Team - SOlar Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 19 13:28:06 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA21007; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wfubmc.edu (unknown [152.11.200.6]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FFE17EC3 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from wfubmc.edu ([152.11.251.222]) by mail.wfubmc.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA26FB for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:22:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF9781E.C678DEE2@wfubmc.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:22:38 -0500 From: "Joel M. Fisher" Organization: Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Domain name Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hey All, I'm in the process of moving our list server to another server which has a different hostname. During testing I'm having a heck of a time making majordomo send messages to listname@listmgr.domainname instead of listname@hostname. $whereami is set to listmgr.domainname. The current list server is working without a problem with a different domain name than hostname, but I can't find where the config difference may lie. I copied over the majordomo install from the production box and just added test in front of the domain name for test purposes. Moving from: Solaris 8 Sendmail 8.9.3 to: Solaris 8 Sendmail 8.10.2 Quite possibly the problem resides in the sendmail config, but I can't find it. Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Joel From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 19 20:13:02 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA25473; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (unknown [205.217.137.8]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2719B17ED1 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAK43ZO16363; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:03:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF9D62F.13E38724@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:03:59 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Joel M. Fisher" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Domain name References: <3BF9781E.C678DEE2@wfubmc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk As a sendmail security measure, majordomo compiles it's uid:gid into the wrapper program. Did you keep these the same when you moved to a different host? Did you maintain "identical" directory heirarchy? Does DNS know about the domain change? MX records? Did you bring the aliases file to the new host, or at least the aliases related to majordomo mailing lists? Did you retain file/directory ownerships and permissions? Did you tell sendmail on the new machine to "trust" the majordomo user? Did you create a link to majordomo's wrapper in the /var/adm/sm.bin directory? (assuming this is the directory smrsh looks in) If you are using a separate aliases file for majordomo lists, is that filename listed in "O AliasFile=" in sendmail.cf? Dan Liston "Joel M. Fisher" wrote: > > Hey All, > > I'm in the process of moving our list server to another server which has a > different hostname. During testing I'm having a heck of a time making majordomo > send messages to listname@listmgr.domainname instead of listname@hostname. > $whereami is set to listmgr.domainname. The current list server is working > without a problem with a different domain name than hostname, but I can't find > where the config difference may lie. I copied over the majordomo install from > the production box and just added test in front of the domain name for test > purposes. > > Moving from: > Solaris 8 > Sendmail 8.9.3 > > to: > Solaris 8 > Sendmail 8.10.2 > > Quite possibly the problem resides in the sendmail config, but I can't find it. > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions, > > Joel From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 19 20:58:03 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA25808; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from arm.mrball.net (unknown [209.85.130.137]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F379417E8B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from todd.mrball.net (todd.mrball.net [192.168.18.3]) by arm.mrball.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAK4mcI28167 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:48:38 -0800 Received: (from todd@localhost) by todd.mrball.net (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7) id fAK4mU6o020701 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:48:30 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:48:30 -0800 From: Todd Lyons To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Domain name Message-ID: <20011119204830.K20359@mrball.net> Mail-Followup-To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM References: <3BF9781E.C678DEE2@wfubmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3BF9781E.C678DEE2@wfubmc.edu>; from jfisher@wfubmc.edu on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 04:22:38PM -0500 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Joel M. Fisher wanted us to know: >different hostname. During testing I'm having a heck of a time making majordomo >send messages to listname@listmgr.domainname instead of listname@hostname. /etc/mail/virtuser Look in the sendmail docs in your source directory for details on how to configure it. -- Blue skies... Todd | Get a bigger hammer! | Are you feeling lucky...punk? | | http://www.mrball.net | I've had better days... | | http://faq.mrball.net | It's the end of the world as we know i| From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 20 06:58:06 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA04712; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from igate.usp.org (the.usp.org [63.99.74.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D927117EC7 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns3.usp.org by igate.usp.org via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 14:50:24 UT Received: from connect.usp.org (the [10.2.1.64]) by ns3.usp.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id fAKEnD308807 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from USPDOMAIN-Message_Server by connect.usp.org with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:49:44 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:49:32 -0500 From: "WEBMASTER ACCOUNT" To: Subject: welcome message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We installed a the lastest version of Majordomo. A month or two later, = it just stopped sending the approval email and welcome message to new = subscribers. =20 When the list-owner fills out a form (web interface), it submits a mail = request to approve a new subscriber. It used to send a mail notifying the = list-owner that the new subscriber was added as well as sending the new = subscriber an email welcoming them to the list. Now it just adds the new = subscriber and doesn't send out any mail. =20 Is this a sendmail or majordomo issue? Any ideas where to look for an = answer? Tamara Bourne US Pharmacopeia From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 04:14:42 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id DAA21314; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:56:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rbadb2.rbacpxclu.bas.roche.com (gw.bas.roche.com [196.3.50.241]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938F517EBB for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.Roche.COM by Roche.COM (PMDF V6.0-025 #47170) id <01KAYSZ7ENOW979FBU@Roche.COM> for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:53:30 +0100 Received: from rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com (rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com [145.245.211.139]) by Roche.COM (PMDF V6.0-025 #47170) with ESMTP id <01KAYSZ0X1TK9ATIRP@Roche.COM> for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:53:13 +0100 Received: by rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:53:43 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:53:33 +0100 From: "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" Subject: Post Resticts To: "'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have a copy of Majordomo-1.94.5 installed on an Solaris 2.6 machine. Everything works fine, except the restrict of postings. Ihave the restrict_post = file.poster enabled. But any user not being in that file also can send newsletter to a list. Then I tried with moderate = yes. I set the file.pass and file.admin. Anyway every user can send newsletter to any list regardless of both restricting mechanism. With moderate I'm even not asked to approve anything. I have another problem with Majorcool. When I try to modify a list I have to have an password. Where is that password hold?? I tried with the password I put in the list.pass and list.admin files, but doesn't work. Can anybody help on any of these two problems. help is highly appreciated. Thanks Regards, Maurizio From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 06:44:46 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA22971; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMCC_EMAIL.erdc.k12.mn.us (cmcc-2-170.cmcc.k12.mn.us [209.105.119.170]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B3B8017EBF for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.100.5] (JELLOSQUARED [172.16.100.5]) by CMCC_EMAIL.erdc.k12.mn.us with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id XJGFZ3VL; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:35:41 -0600 Subject: Over 40k From: Scott Downing To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.99.0 (Preview Release) Date: 21 Nov 2001 08:35:39 -0600 Message-Id: <1006353339.726.6.camel@jellosquared> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I changed the maxlength value in config_parse.pl to be over 40k, but I'm still not allowed to send files over 40k. Is there something else I need to do? -Scott From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 08:14:36 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA23881; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsmtp5.mail.isp (unknown [195.235.113.141]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACAD17ECF for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ADSL ([217.126.116.32]) by tsmtp5.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 tsmtp5 Jul 26 2001 13:10:38) with ESMTP id GN5QWH00.QBH for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:55:29 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01c172a5$406f70a0$02001aac@ADSL> From: "Mail Stefan Terra" To: Subject: make install Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:57:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C172AD.A1845EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C172AD.A1845EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, how do i make this on a windows 98 maschine ? My filenames are = "install.sh". Is this command possible via FTP ? 5) Do a 'make wrapper' to verify that the wrapper program compiles = cleanly. =20 6) Do a 'make install' to install the Majordomo programs. This must be = done either as root or as the Majordomo user in order to properly set = the ownership of the various files and directories. 7) Do a 'make install-wrapper' as root to install the wrapper. This = must be done as root because wrapper must be installed setuid and on = POSIX systems must be owned by root. The wrapper takes care to severely = restrict the programs which may be run by it and further restricts the = environment those programs run with. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C172AD.A1845EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
 
how do i make this on a windows 98 = maschine ? My=20 filenames are "install.sh". Is this command possible via FTP = ?
 
5) Do a 'make wrapper' to verify that = the wrapper=20 program compiles cleanly. 
 
6) Do a 'make install' to install the = Majordomo=20 programs.  This must be done either as root or as the Majordomo = user in=20 order to properly set the ownership of the various files and=20 directories.
 
7) Do a 'make install-wrapper' as root = to install=20 the wrapper.  This must be done as root because wrapper must be = installed=20 setuid and on POSIX systems must be owned by root.  The wrapper = takes care=20 to severely restrict the programs which may be run by it and further = restricts=20 the environment those programs run with.
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C172AD.A1845EC0-- From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 08:59:34 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA24478; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4964F17ECF for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fALGnfO23507; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:49:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3BFBDB3B.7F4B3B24@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:50:03 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Downing Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Over 40k References: <1006353339.726.6.camel@jellosquared> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is a "per list" setting that by modifying config_parse.pl you are only setting the "default" configuration for a newly created list. The maxlength value should be configured via the individual .config files, and is only used IF your list utilizes "resend" in the alias for the list. list: "|/pathto/majordomo/wrapper resend -l list list-outgoing" You also need to make sure your list-outgoing: alias is unreachable by the general public, and not revealed in the message "Received:" headers. Otherwise, people can write directly to this address instead of the actual list, bypassing ANY configuration rules. You can prevent sendmail from revealing this address by adding ,nobody to the delivery address in the alias above like this: list: "|/pathto/majordomo/wrapper resend -l list list-outgoing,nobody" Preventing the general public from reaching this address/alias directly is more difficult. First, you can hide the name by using something other than the default of -outgoing or the generic -list extension. These are easy to guess anyway. Second, with sendmail, you can use the virtusertable file to tell SMTP connections that the list-outgoing does not exist (even though it does). This is how that entry would look: list-outgoing@your.domain error:nouser User unknown If you have live users on the same machine as majordomo, the above trick does not prevent them from sending to the list members directly. In fact, unless you take several security precautions, you better trust every user on the system with YOUR reputation. Dan Liston Scott Downing wrote: > > I changed the maxlength value in config_parse.pl to be over 40k, but I'm > still not allowed to send files over 40k. Is there something else I need > to do? > > -Scott From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 09:14:34 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA24560; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352B317ECF for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fALGv7O23542; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:57:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3BFBDCF9.E9E5F9ED@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:57:29 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" Cc: "'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: Re: Post Resticts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Not that it matters, but I will assume sendmail to be your MTA. With this assumption, does your listname alias in the /etc/aliases (or additional aliases file) use "resend"? All the configuration in the world is pretty much useless without it. I have no clue about majorcool, but using list.passwd, list.admin, list.private, etc. are leftovers from ancient versions of majordomo. All of these settings should be configured via the list.config file. Dan Liston "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a copy of Majordomo-1.94.5 installed on an Solaris 2.6 machine. > > Everything works fine, except the restrict of postings. > > Ihave the restrict_post = file.poster enabled. But any user not being in that file > also can send newsletter to a list. Then I tried with moderate = yes. > I set the file.pass and file.admin. Anyway every user can send newsletter to any list > regardless of both restricting mechanism. With moderate I'm even not asked to approve > anything. > > I have another problem with Majorcool. When I try to modify a list I have to have an > password. Where is that password hold?? I tried with the password I put in the list.pass and list.admin > files, but doesn't work. > > Can anybody help on any of these two problems. > > help is highly appreciated. > > Thanks > Regards, > Maurizio From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 09:59:33 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA25232; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pony-express4.csc.com (ponyexpress4.csc.com [208.219.64.203]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D763917EAE for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.csc.com (lists.csc.com [20.1.107.29]) by pony-express4.csc.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GN500MR2W2XIF@pony-express4.csc.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by lists.csc.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id E0E6F80; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.csc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21755B; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:52:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:52:35 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Stewart Subject: Re: Over 40k In-reply-to: <1006353339.726.6.camel@jellosquared> To: Scott Downing Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Change 'maxlength' in the .config file. -- Jeff Stewart | ///// ///// ///// jstewa31@csc.com | / / / CSC | / ///// / Sterling, Virginia | / / / USA | ///// ///// ///// On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Scott Downing wrote: > I changed the maxlength value in config_parse.pl to be over 40k, but I'm > still not allowed to send files over 40k. Is there something else I need > to do? > > -Scott > > > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 10:14:42 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA25395; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.image-src.com (mailsrv.image-src.com [216.2.143.227]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ED817EAE for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from jefe (proxy.image-src.com [216.2.143.231]) by mailsrv.image-src.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fALI3Xr24365; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:03:33 -0500 From: "Jeff Graves" To: "Scott Downing" , Subject: RE: Over 40k Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c172b7$418680c0$c801c8c0@jefe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1006353339.726.6.camel@jellosquared> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You need to set the limit for each list. Check the list's config file. Jeff Graves Customer Support Engineer Image Source, Inc. 10 Mill Street Bellingham, MA 02019 508.966.5200 X31 - Phone 508.966.5170 - Fax jeff@image-src.com - Email -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM]On Behalf Of Scott Downing Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:36 AM To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Over 40k I changed the maxlength value in config_parse.pl to be over 40k, but I'm still not allowed to send files over 40k. Is there something else I need to do? -Scott From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 12:59:10 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA27464; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E3F17EAE for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fALKgEO24341 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:42:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3BFC11BD.58E9B139@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:42:37 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: make install References: <003c01c172a5$406f70a0$02001aac@ADSL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Unless your windows 98 machine also has an SMTP mail server running, has a concept of user ID and group ID, a C compiler, and a PERL interpreter installed, there is not much point in attempting to run majordomo from a workstation operating system. There are dozens of "free" unix-like operating systems that will run on Intel based PCs which would provide these prerequisites. Give one of them a try. Dan Liston > Mail Stefan Terra wrote: > > Hello, > > > how do i make this on a windows 98 maschine ? My filenames are "install.sh". Is this command possible via FTP ? > > 5) Do a 'make wrapper' to verify that the wrapper program compiles cleanly. > > 6) Do a 'make install' to install the Majordomo programs. This must be done either as root or as the Majordomo user in order to properly set the ownership of the various files and directories. > > 7) Do a 'make install-wrapper' as root to install the wrapper. This must be done as root because wrapper must be installed setuid and on POSIX systems must be owned by root. The wrapper takes care to severely restrict the programs which may be run by it and further restricts the environment those programs run with. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 19:58:24 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id TAA02842; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1821417ED2 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27397 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 03:51:46 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 03:51:46 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (ssl [208.201.224.119]) by prop.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id fAM3pka10741 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:51:46 -0800 Message-Id: <200111220351.fAM3pka10741@prop.sonic.net> X-envelope-info: Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:51:46 -0000 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: nonadvertise From: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.1 X-Client-IP: 209.204.142.205 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk My config file says: # noadvertise [regexp_array] (undef) # If the requestor name matches one of these regexps, then the list # will not be listed in the output of a lists command. Noadvertise # overrides advertise. noadvertise << END END I don't want this particular list advertised when anybody sends a "lists" command. How do I change my config file above to make this happen? Bruce Wilson From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 20:58:25 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA03380; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.1.212]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478C617E8B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:46:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jjah@localhost) by cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAM4k8D24255; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:46:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:46:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: brucenow@sonic.net Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: nonadvertise In-Reply-To: <200111220351.fAM3pka10741@prop.sonic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 brucenow@sonic.net wrote: > Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:51:46 -0000 > From: brucenow@sonic.net > To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: nonadvertise > > My config file says: > > # noadvertise [regexp_array] (undef) > # If the requestor name matches one of these regexps, then the list > # will not be listed in the output of a lists command. Noadvertise > # overrides advertise. > noadvertise << END > > END > > I don't want this particular list advertised when anybody sends a "lists" > command. How do I change my config file above to make this happen? noadvertise << END /.*/ END Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 21 21:58:33 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA04034; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F1E17ECD for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from att.net ([12.72.206.83]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011122054352.HBHN11294.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:43:52 +0000 Message-ID: <3BFC9090.876004C5@att.net> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:43:44 -0800 From: "Jay O'Brien" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users Subject: Re: nonadvertise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Here's what I use: # noadvertise [regexp_array] (undef) # If the requestor name matches one of these regexps, then the list # will not be listed in the output of a lists command. Noadvertise # overrides advertise. noadvertise << END /./ END It works for me. Jay O'Brien -------- Original Message -------- Subject: nonadvertise Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:51:46 -0000 From: To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com My config file says: # noadvertise [regexp_array] (undef) # If the requestor name matches one of these regexps, then the list # will not be listed in the output of a lists command. Noadvertise # overrides advertise. noadvertise << END END I don't want this particular list advertised when anybody sends a "lists" command. How do I change my config file above to make this happen? Bruce Wilson From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 22 02:28:27 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA07997; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rbadb1.RBACPXCLU.BAS.ROCHE.COM (mail-external-basel.roche.com [196.3.50.190]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0935117E8B for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.Roche.COM by Roche.COM (PMDF V6.0-025 #47170) id <01KB03OQDXU897A344@Roche.COM> for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:11:05 +0100 Received: from rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com (rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com [145.245.211.139]) by Roche.COM (PMDF V6.0-025 #47170) with ESMTP id <01KB03OFCSFK97BGRZ@Roche.COM>; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:10:49 +0100 Received: by rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:11:19 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:11:19 +0100 From: "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" Subject: RE: Post Resticts To: "'Daniel Liston'" , "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" Cc: "'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Yes I'm using the resend with the -l option. Here an entry of my aliases file. Where listname is the name of the list. :) What are other parameters to give to the resend command? listname-owner: me@mymail.com owner-listname: me@mymail.com listname-approval: me@mymail.com listname-request: me@mymail.com listname-list: :include:/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/listname listname: "|/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l listname listname-list" i also tried with listname-request: "|/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper request-answer listname" and listname-request: "|/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l listname" But without success. Can you help please? Also what directives do I have to configure in the .config file? Thanks a lot Regards, Maurizio > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 21. November 2001 17:57 > To: Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst} > Cc: 'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM' > Subject: Re: Post Resticts > > > Not that it matters, but I will assume sendmail to be your MTA. > With this assumption, does your listname alias in the /etc/aliases > (or additional aliases file) use "resend"? All the configuration > in the world is pretty much useless without it. > > I have no clue about majorcool, but using list.passwd, list.admin, > list.private, etc. are leftovers from ancient versions of majordomo. > All of these settings should be configured via the list.config file. > > Dan Liston > > "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have a copy of Majordomo-1.94.5 installed on an Solaris > 2.6 machine. > > > > Everything works fine, except the restrict of postings. > > > > Ihave the restrict_post = file.poster enabled. But any user > not being in that file > > also can send newsletter to a list. Then I tried with > moderate = yes. > > I set the file.pass and file.admin. Anyway every user can > send newsletter to any list > > regardless of both restricting mechanism. With moderate I'm > even not asked to approve > > anything. > > > > I have another problem with Majorcool. When I try to modify > a list I have to have an > > password. Where is that password hold?? I tried with the > password I put in the list.pass and list.admin > > files, but doesn't work. > > > > Can anybody help on any of these two problems. > > > > help is highly appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Regards, > > Maurizio > From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 22 03:58:28 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id DAA10689; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from etzion.org.il (linux.hertzog.macam98.ac.il [192.114.207.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433D017ECD for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from etzion.org.il (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/Debian 8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id fAMBkwgK011313 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:46:58 +0200 Received: (from ebick@localhost) by etzion.org.il (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/Debian 8.12.0.Beta16) id fAMBkunq011309; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:46:56 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:46:56 +0200 (IST) From: Ezra Bick To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: preventing unauthorized distribution via list-outgoing. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We run about 20 majordomo lists reaching 16,000 subscribers. Lately there has been a virus on some users computers, which automatically sends itself in reply to any mail received. Hence, it was being sent to the list by infected subscribers. I changed all lists to moderated with approval required, so the virus messages were bounced to the moderator (and deleted). BUT - the virus has taken to sending itself to , which then resends to the whole list and effectively avoids all restrictions found in the list configuration file. This seems to be a rather large whole, which could be used by spammers as well as viruses. By simply adding -outgoing to the name of a list, anyone can send anything to any list. What can be done? ebick@etzion.org.il From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 22 09:43:31 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA13702; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from bard.net (bard.net [207.159.145.137]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BCB17EC5 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadowdale.bard.net (nightmare@24-159-99-143.hsacorp.net [24.159.99.143]) by bard.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24711 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:31:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122122154.01e63488@bard.net> X-Sender: webmaster@bard.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:31:19 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Michael Donohue Subject: Re: preventing unauthorized distribution via list-outgoing. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk list-outgoing is just an alias like anything else. You could change all instances of it to 'zaphod-beetlebrox' and your list would work just as well. :) I would use an alias like 'listname-23423412' (or any random number) if you are concerned about security. The only downside is it makes your aliases incomprehensible and difficult to debug. Mike At Thursday 06:46 AM 11/22/2001, you wrote: >BUT - the virus has taken to sending itself to , which >then resends to the whole list and effectively avoids all restrictions >found in the list configuration file. > >This seems to be a rather large whole, which could be used by spammers as >well as viruses. By simply adding -outgoing to the name of a list, anyone >can send anything to any list. > >What can be done? From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 22 21:14:50 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA19392; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A1B17EDB for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAN535O31026 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:03:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3BFDD8A4.5DBD3C3E@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:03:32 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-Users Subject: Re: Post Resticts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Maurizio, (and Ezra might find this useful too) Still assuming sendmail to be your MTA, it would now be my guess that IF your file.poster file has the proper ownership and permissions, people are writing directly to your listname-list alias address rather than the listname address. You can verify this by cranking your loglevel in sendmail.cf to 15 from the default of 9 and watching the maillog file. I would also be willing to bet that sendmail is announcing the listname-list alias in the "Received:" headers of messages going out from your list. I recently posted to someone, how to prevent this by adding ,nobody to the listname: alias. You can also prevent users outside the local machine from posting directly to the listname-list address by enabling and using virtusertable in the following manner: listname-list@mymail.com error:nouser User unknown This will bounce messages coming directly to your outgoing address back to the sender as undeliverable, but sendmail on the local machine will still be able to use the alias for outgoing messages. "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" wrote: > > Yes I'm using the resend with the -l option. > Here an entry of my aliases file. Where listname is the name of the list. :) > > What are other parameters to give to the resend command? > > listname-owner: me@mymail.com > owner-listname: me@mymail.com > listname-approval: me@mymail.com > listname-request: me@mymail.com > listname-list: :include:/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/listname > listname: "|/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l listname listname-list" > > i also tried with > listname-request: "|/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper request-answer listname" > and > listname-request: "|/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l listname" > > But without success. > Can you help please? > Also what directives do I have to configure in the .config file? > > Thanks a lot > Regards, > Maurizio > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] > > Sent: Mittwoch, 21. November 2001 17:57 > > To: Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst} > > Cc: 'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM' > > Subject: Re: Post Resticts > > > > > > Not that it matters, but I will assume sendmail to be your MTA. > > With this assumption, does your listname alias in the /etc/aliases > > (or additional aliases file) use "resend"? All the configuration > > in the world is pretty much useless without it. > > > > I have no clue about majorcool, but using list.passwd, list.admin, > > list.private, etc. are leftovers from ancient versions of majordomo. > > All of these settings should be configured via the list.config file. > > > > Dan Liston > > > > "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have a copy of Majordomo-1.94.5 installed on an Solaris > > 2.6 machine. > > > > > > Everything works fine, except the restrict of postings. > > > > > > Ihave the restrict_post = file.poster enabled. But any user > > not being in that file > > > also can send newsletter to a list. Then I tried with > > moderate = yes. > > > I set the file.pass and file.admin. Anyway every user can > > send newsletter to any list > > > regardless of both restricting mechanism. With moderate I'm > > even not asked to approve > > > anything. > > > > > > I have another problem with Majorcool. When I try to modify > > a list I have to have an > > > password. Where is that password hold?? I tried with the > > password I put in the list.pass and list.admin > > > files, but doesn't work. > > > > > > Can anybody help on any of these two problems. > > > > > > help is highly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Regards, > > > Maurizio > > From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 22 21:44:50 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA19555; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:26:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573E917EDB for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2ivehk5.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.70.133] helo=server.aerosmithfanclub.com) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1678rE-0002Ci-00 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:26:36 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011123002414.00acc008@mindspring.com> X-Sender: dboothe@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:26:48 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: dboothe@mindspring.com Subject: Digest Send Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk OK I got to the bottom of my flunky host and why the digest was not being created at all. Thanks to everyone who pointed me in the right direction(s) on that. Now I have one last issue. I want the digest to be sent out automatically but I do not have access to set up cron events (yet). I would like for the digest to go out once a day (or when the oldest message is at least one day old). My lists as fanlist and fanlist-digest. What parameter and in which config file do I set this up? Thanks, David From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 22 21:59:53 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA19656; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FEF17EDD for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAN5fOO31151 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:41:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3BFDE19F.C5696BDB@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:41:51 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: preventing unauthorized distribution via list-outgoing. References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122122154.01e63488@bard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk True for the most part, but false in some cases. There is just a little more to it. Whether you completely rename the -outgoing alias altogether or just the extension, when digest is used, there is an assumption or dependency on the listname-outgoing name when the digest is sent out for delivery. Also, if you do not take precautions, sendmail will end up announcing the new outgoing alias in the headers too. Then you are back in the same mess you started in. Dan Liston Michael Donohue wrote: > > list-outgoing is just an alias like anything else. > > You could change all instances of it to 'zaphod-beetlebrox' and your list > would work just as well. :) > > I would use an alias like 'listname-23423412' (or any random number) if > you are concerned about security. The only downside is it makes your > aliases incomprehensible and difficult to debug. > > Mike > > At Thursday 06:46 AM 11/22/2001, you wrote: > >BUT - the virus has taken to sending itself to , which > >then resends to the whole list and effectively avoids all restrictions > >found in the list configuration file. > > > >This seems to be a rather large whole, which could be used by spammers as > >well as viruses. By simply adding -outgoing to the name of a list, anyone > >can send anything to any list. > > > >What can be done? From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 22 22:14:52 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA19617; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6274217EDB for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAN5YiO31117 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:34:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3BFDE010.7C5F8305@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:35:12 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: preventing unauthorized distribution via list-outgoing. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Email virii tend to read address books of email recipients, and send themself to every address in the list. Apparently, somebody on your list was using the listname-outgoing address to talk to your list rather than listname, which is how the virus found the -outgoing address to begin with. This is also what spammers have done for a long time. This is not a majordomo issue, but does tend to reveal itself when majordomo is used. Any alias pointing to an :include: file on the RHS has this same weakness. You can stop external users, spammers, and email virii from reaching the weak alias by enabling and using the virtusertable in sendmail. In your sendmail.mc add FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable')dnl and rebuild your sendmail.cf with m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/sendmail.cf (actual locations in the command above need to match your server) Secondly, hide the -outgoing address by using something less easy to guess, like listname-20011122 or listname-delivery. Then add this address to your virtusertable to prevent outsiders from writing to it, even if it is found. In /etc/mail/virtusertable add listname-20011122@mydomain.com error:nouser User unknown Any time you make a change to this file, you will also need to rebuild the binary database associated with the file. makemap hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable < /etc/mail/virtusertable (solaris uses dbm rather than hash) Thirdly, prevent sendmail from disclosing the weak alias via the "Received:" headers of the messages. Sendmail will not expand or disclose the LHS of an alias if the RHS is to multiple recipients. Create (if it does not already exist) a "nobody:" alias that gets redirected to /dev/null. nobody: /dev/null Use this nobody: alias as a second recipient on the RHS of list aliases along with their normal deliver address. Following the above example; listname: "/pathto/majordomo/wrapper resend -l listname listname-20011122,nobody" listname-20011122: :include:/pathto/majordomo/lists/listname,nobody Dan Liston Ezra Bick wrote: > > We run about 20 majordomo lists reaching 16,000 subscribers. > > Lately there has been a virus on some users computers, which > automatically sends itself in reply to any mail received. > > Hence, it was being sent to the list by infected subscribers. > > I changed all lists to moderated with approval required, so the virus > messages were bounced to the moderator (and deleted). > > BUT - the virus has taken to sending itself to , which > then resends to the whole list and effectively avoids all restrictions > found in the list configuration file. > > This seems to be a rather large whole, which could be used by spammers as > well as viruses. By simply adding -outgoing to the name of a list, anyone > can send anything to any list. > > What can be done? > > ebick@etzion.org.il From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 22 23:59:51 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA20880; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from GUUF (unknown [62.29.125.126]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 02DB317EDB; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:48:47 -0800 (PST) From: "brent" To: "brent" Subject: 3.000.000 Türk internet Kullanýcýsý Sizden Haber Bekliyor... 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In-Reply-To: <3BFDE010.7C5F8305@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The advice about changing the alias of list-outgoing will not work in this case, as Daniel Liston guessed, since the information appears in the headers (extended headers) being sent by sendmail. This was a virus, not a human, remember - so it had to read the name somewhere. list-outgoing, or any other alias, appears in one of the headers. It is therefore necessary to mask that line in the header, as Liston suggested. Hopefully, that will work. From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 23 03:15:50 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id DAA24071; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.zol.co.zw (apollo.zol.co.zw [216.252.247.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DA717EDB for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hera.zol.co.zw (hera.zol.co.zw [216.252.247.10]) by apollo.zol.co.zw (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6AC7F67 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:06:04 +0200 (CAT) Received: from fido.mango.zw (unverified [216.252.246.222]) by hera.zol.co.zw (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.193) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:06:00 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by fido.mango.zw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id MAA14677 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:44:15 +0200 Received: (from ifmail@localhost) by healthnet.zw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA25731 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:45:02 +0200 Received: from p5.f2.n7211.z5.fidonet.org by f2.n7211.z5.fidonet.org with FTN (ifmail v.2.14) id AA25696; Fri, 23 Nov 01 12:45:01 +0200 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: rborland Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:45:02 +0200 Subject: Post Resticts Message-ID: <3616220216@p5.f2.n7211.z5.ftn> In-Reply-To: <3814170611@rkamsem1.kau.roche.com> X-Mailer: FrontDoor APX/w 1.12b UnReg(647) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk * Original to: Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst (MAURIZIO.CENCIGH@Roche.COM) * One carbon copy > What are other parameters to give to the resend command? If it's of any interest I have put together some basic Perl scripts to automate the creation of new lists: mklist for root's use, creates the appropriate directories with the correct permissions and generates the corresponding sendmail commands for the aliases file, appending a random number to the name of the outgoing address to confuse spammers. mkaliases for non-root users, generates the sendmail commands together with instructions on the creation of the associated directories for mailing to root. I've only tested these with the RPM installation of Majordomo (where the list directories are in /var/lib/majordomo) so other setups may need to hack the scripts. Regards, Rob -*- Carbon Copy recipients follow: -*- MAURIZIO.CENCIGH@Roche.COM CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 23 15:59:59 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA02708; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail17.bigmailbox.com (mail17.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.48]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED8317EBA for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from www@localhost) by mail17.bigmailbox.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id fANNhNl04829; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:43:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:43:23 -0800 Message-Id: <200111232343.fANNhNl04829@mail17.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [209.240.222.132] From: "( )" To: techsupport@crapmail.com Subject: Virus Alert: please read Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk DO NOT OPEN an email (no matter who it says it supposedly comes from) that says in the subject line Re: there anything we can It's a virus that is being spread around like wildfire. Delete it immediately and empty your trash right afterwards. Pass this on. ------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Weedmail.com free email Click - http://weedmail.com FREE Weed offers Click- http://weedmail.com/1.htm From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 24 08:45:11 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA14827; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail16.bigmailbox.com (mail16.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2901017EE8 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from www@localhost) by mail16.bigmailbox.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id fAOGXWw14318; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:33:32 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:33:32 -0800 Message-Id: <200111241633.fAOGXWw14318@mail16.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [209.240.222.130] From: "Sean S." To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: To Steve O Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello Steve: I attempted to return your email and this was the result. I am not a spammer. Sean > --- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > steveo@syslang.net > (reason: 553 5.3.0 REJECT 550 Fuck off spammer!) > > => DO NOT OPEN an email (no matter who it > > says it supposedly comes from) that says > > in the subject line => => Re: there > > anything we can => => It's a virus that > > is being spread around like wildfire. > > Delete it immediately and empty your > > trash right afterwards. Pass this on. > > => ----------------------------------- > > So who the hell are you? > > Hi Steven: > My name is Sean Schafron from Pittsburgh > PA. I sent an email introducing myself to > the list but I don't believe it ever went > through and I forgot to resend it. I think > it has to do with the server this email > account goes through so I may have to > change the email address. This isn't one of > the common bogus virus alerts...this one is > real and has been causing some problems. > Sean > > ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Weedmail.com free email Click - http://weedmail.com FREE Weed offers Click- http://weedmail.com/1.htm From majordomo-users-owner Sat Nov 24 18:30:09 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA19671; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0663517EC3 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAP2Nd607612 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3C005647.58F87086@netscape.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:24:07 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: welcome message References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Take a look at the .config file for the list in question. Do you have "welcome = yes"? Dan Liston WEBMASTER ACCOUNT wrote: > > We installed a the lastest version of Majordomo. A month or two later, it just stopped sending the approval email and welcome message to new subscribers. > > When the list-owner fills out a form (web interface), it submits a mail request to approve a new subscriber. It used to send a mail notifying the list-owner that the new subscriber was added as well as sending the new subscriber an email welcoming them to the list. Now it just adds the new subscriber and doesn't send out any mail. > > Is this a sendmail or majordomo issue? Any ideas where to look for an answer? > > Tamara Bourne > US Pharmacopeia From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 00:30:23 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id AAA07873; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.ordix.de (gw.ordix.de [212.218.179.18]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E8D17EBB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ordix.de (serena.ordix.de [192.168.7.81]) by gw.ordix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02936 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:14:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3C01F9F3.505E1E96@ordix.de> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:14:43 +0100 From: "Lars H. Korte" Reply-To: lk@ordix.de Organization: ORDIX AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323k (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: eMail Adresses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, are there any reasons, why the '*' in an email-address is not allowed (filtered) by the majordomo ? regards Lars From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 02:27:34 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA10309; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463BF17ECA for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAQAK6617469; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:20:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3C021774.CBF067E0@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:20:36 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dboothe@mindspring.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Digest Send References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011123002414.00acc008@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Here is the setting. In your case, the number 30 should be set to 1. # digest_maxdays [integer] (30) # automatically generate a new digest when the age of the oldest # article in the queue exceeds this number of days. digest_maxdays = 30 Dan Liston dboothe@mindspring.com wrote: > > OK I got to the bottom of my flunky host and why the digest was not being > created at all. Thanks to everyone who pointed me in the right > direction(s) on that. Now I have one last issue. I want the digest to be > sent out automatically but I do not have access to set up cron events > (yet). I would like for the digest to go out once a day (or when the > oldest message is at least one day old). My lists as fanlist and > fanlist-digest. What parameter and in which config file do I set this up? > > Thanks, > David From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 02:41:54 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA10408; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from impala.sonny.org (impala.sonny.org [205.217.137.66]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116BC17EC8 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by impala.sonny.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAQASD617485; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3C02195B.57E313F2@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:28:43 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lk@ordix.de Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: eMail Adresses References: <3C01F9F3.505E1E96@ordix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Perhaps I am not understanding your question, but to the best of my knowledge, a "*" is not considered a valid character in an email address. As an invalid character, no email-addresses containing this character should not be allowed to post messages or zubscribe to your lists. Dan Liston "Lars H. Korte" wrote: > > Hi, > > are there any reasons, why the '*' in an email-address is not allowed > (filtered) by the majordomo ? > > regards > Lars From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 02:56:41 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA10568; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.ordix.de (gw.ordix.de [212.218.179.18]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E70F17EC8 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ordix.de (serena.ordix.de [192.168.7.81]) by gw.ordix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05176 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:47:05 +0100 Message-ID: <3C021DA8.2B29A97B@ordix.de> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:47:04 +0100 From: "Lars H. Korte" Reply-To: lk@ordix.de Organization: ORDIX AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323k (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Using the archive with "get" and "index" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hallo, How can I use the archive functions of majordomo ? An Archive exists to every list, but an "index"-command doesn't show any results nor can I "get" the files ! What's wrong ? Greets Lars From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 03:26:44 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id DAA12592; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from kodos.tinet.ie (mail1.tinet.ie [159.134.237.22]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B581317EC8 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [159.134.199.190] (helo=webbusters01.webbusters.com) by kodos.tinet.ie with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 168Jjn-0002Wy-00 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:15:47 +0000 Received: by WEBBUSTERS01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:11:50 -0000 Message-ID: <22B6B3E839F4D311AAFB00C00D0117E153A0B8@WEBBUSTERS01> From: Kevin Healy To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: List Size restricitions of Majordomo Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:11:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I will soon be setting up a list of 200,000 thousand email addresses. I am worried that this will cause problems in the delivery stage. Can Majordomo handle this amount or is this a server based issue? I was thinking of perhaps splitting the list into 5 smaller lists - would this lower the pressure on the server?? Or is it ok to send out a maling to that many people at the same time. Anyone's input on this issue will be gratefully accepted. Thanks in advance Kevin From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 07:27:15 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA15225; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from palrel13.hp.com (palrel13.hp.com [156.153.255.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D4417ECE for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from xparelay1.corp.hp.com (unknown [15.58.136.173]) by palrel13.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00801F5C3 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from xpabh2.corp.hp.com (xpabh2.corp.hp.com [15.58.136.192]) by xparelay1.corp.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC691F517 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by xpabh2.corp.hp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:11:46 -0800 Message-ID: <079FD72E42C9D311B854009027650E6F08FEAF7B@xatl02.atl.hp.com> From: "MILES,TROY (HP-NewJersey,ex2)" To: "'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: RE: Majordomo-Users-Digest V3 #187 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:11:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk delete tmiles@hp.com - -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-digest-owner@GreatCircle.COM [mailto:majordomo-users-digest-owner@GreatCircle.COM] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:00 AM To: majordomo-users-digest@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Majordomo-Users-Digest V3 #187 Majordomo-Users-Digest Monday, November 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 187 In this issue: eMail Adresses See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the Majordomo-Users or Majordomo-Users-Digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:14:43 +0100 From: "Lars H. Korte" Subject: eMail Adresses Hi, are there any reasons, why the '*' in an email-address is not allowed (filtered) by the majordomo ? regards Lars ------------------------------ End of Majordomo-Users-Digest V3 #187 ************************************* To unsubscribe from Majordomo-Users-Digest, send the following command in the body of a message to "Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM": unsubscribe majordomo-users-digest If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe "local-majordomo-users": subscribe majordomo-users-digest local-majordomo-users@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "majordomo-users-digest" in the commands above with "majordomo-users". 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From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 07:42:29 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA15495; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FDA17EDC for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.com ([24.23.106.71]) by femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011126153709.RQXF13383.femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:37:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3C02615E.60004@home.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:35:58 -0500 From: Tim Bezek Reply-To: tjbezek@acs-ebusiness.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: command not recognized problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm new to majordomo. I've set up a list and all appears to be working fine except for the emails generated by majordomo itself, specifically the ones with the subjet "Majordomo results". When these emails are received by Microsoft outlook express, there are numerous lines in the email that have Command (some text) not recognized. On a netscape mail client all is fine. Is this a majordomo setting or an outlook express setting? I'm using majordomo 1.94.5, sendmail 8.11.2, perl 5.6.0 on redhat 7.1 Thanks, Tim From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 08:56:41 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA16366; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ux9.isu.edu (ux9-250.isu.edu [134.50.250.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F0517ED5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.249.203]) by ux9.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNF2V100.KNW for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:52:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3C0272D7.358C8194@isu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:50:31 -0700 From: Kory Wheatley Reply-To: wheakory@isu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: List message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Please respond if the majordomo-users@greatecircle.com receive this message, because when I post something to the list, I nevere see a copy of the message. -- ######################################### Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 10:26:46 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA17323; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ux9.isu.edu (ux9-250.isu.edu [134.50.250.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6336217ED5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:22:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.249.203]) by ux9.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNF71O00.9PL for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:22:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3C028809.B900BF6B@isu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:20:57 -0700 From: Kory Wheatley Reply-To: wheakory@isu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Performance problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Sending a message to a majordomo list that has 14,600 subscribers, would this create a problem? Sendmail will route these messages mainly to a Netscape Messenger 4.1 mail server. -- ######################################### Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 11:41:44 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA18093; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu (mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu [160.94.160.51]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70DF17ED5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:35:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:35:13 -0600 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:35:13 -0600 (CST) From: mjn X-Sender: mjn@garnet.tc.umn.edu To: Kory Wheatley Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Performance problem In-Reply-To: <3C028809.B900BF6B@isu.edu> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Nov 26, 2001 Kory Wheatley said something like: > Sending a message to a majordomo list that has 14,600 subscribers, would > this create a problem? Sendmail will route these messages mainly to a > Netscape Messenger 4.1 > mail server. Majordomo will not have a problem with a list of this size. Sendmail might. Netscape Messenger 4.1 mail server might also have a problem...depending on configuration and performance tuning, your milage may vary. -- ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com ____________________________ Recursive: Adj. See Recursive. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 12:56:43 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA19058; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.disney.com (mail.disney.com [204.128.192.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3905217EE3 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from Hermes10.corp.disney.com (hermes10.corp.disney.com [153.7.110.102]) by mail.disney.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id fAQKrFf27207 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ds-naso-mc02.studio.disney.com by hermes.corp.disney.com with ESMTP for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:53:52 -0800 Received: by DS-NASO-MC02.wds.disney.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:57:16 -0800 Message-Id: <99A560B38BC6D21180020004ACA6B36A038951F9@ds-naso-msa2.wds.disney.com> From: "Litiatco, Rick" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Reply-to Getting Changed Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:51:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Has anyone seen this? I've set my reply-to address in my list config file. For some reason, when my list users get the email, the reply-to has been changed. RIck From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 15:12:15 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA20633; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823D217EEB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id fAQN5vU27702; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id fAQN57xc004367; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:05:06 -0800 Message-ID: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EDFCE@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> From: "Mohler, Jeff" To: "'mjn'" , Kory Wheatley Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: RE: Performance problem Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:05:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is there anything I can do..to get some useful debugging output from Domo/sendmail as to why a 2900 user list I have will process a few dozen addresses, then hang..and spit forth tons of: NOQUEUE: domain.com [ip.addr] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA Id love to find out where the processing of specific list is failing so miserably. -----Original Message----- From: mjn [mailto:mjn@UMN.EDU] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:35 AM To: Kory Wheatley Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Performance problem On Nov 26, 2001 Kory Wheatley said something like: > Sending a message to a majordomo list that has 14,600 subscribers, would > this create a problem? Sendmail will route these messages mainly to a > Netscape Messenger 4.1 > mail server. Majordomo will not have a problem with a list of this size. Sendmail might. Netscape Messenger 4.1 mail server might also have a problem...depending on configuration and performance tuning, your milage may vary. -- ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com ____________________________ Recursive: Adj. See Recursive. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 18:11:45 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id RAA22521; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6870817F18 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAR1v4Y20075 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.40]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNFS3302.R3B; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:57:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3C02F1FC.5982F018@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:53:00 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tjbezek@acs-ebusiness.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: command not recognized problem References: <3C02615E.60004@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is an outlook problem. Change your default message format from rich/text to plain/text. Dan Liston Tim Bezek wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm new to majordomo. I've set up a list and all appears to be working > fine except for the emails > generated by majordomo itself, specifically the ones with the subjet > "Majordomo results". When > these emails are received by Microsoft outlook express, there are > numerous lines in the email > that have Command (some text) not recognized. On a netscape mail client > all is fine. Is this > a majordomo setting or an outlook express setting? > > I'm using majordomo 1.94.5, sendmail 8.11.2, perl 5.6.0 on redhat 7.1 > > Thanks, > > Tim From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 18:26:47 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA22758; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C45417F18 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAR2G5x29541 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.40]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNFSYQ00.G3H; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:16:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3C02F66F.16F3E6B9@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:11:59 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mohler Jeff" Cc: "'mjn'" , Kory Wheatley , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Performance problem References: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EDFCE@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On first impression, I believe these two problems are unrelated. The NOQUEUE: message from sendmail is for incoming connections, not outgoing as would be expected when delivering mailing list messages. You can set "O LogLevel=15" in sendmail.cf to get more information about each transaction in the logs, and/or you can add $DEBUG=1; in your majordomo.cf to get more info from majordomo. Dan Liston "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > Is there anything I can do..to get some useful debugging output from Domo/sendmail as to why a 2900 user list I have will process a few dozen addresses, then hang..and spit forth tons of: > > NOQUEUE: domain.com [ip.addr] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > Id love to find out where the processing of specific list is failing so miserably. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 18:41:49 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA22927; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EDE17F18 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAR2UOx06808 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.40]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNFTML02.02U; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:30:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3C02F9CA.F2822205@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:26:18 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Litiatco Rick" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Reply-to Getting Changed References: <99A560B38BC6D21180020004ACA6B36A038951F9@ds-naso-msa2.wds.disney.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk It sounds to me that majordomo is doing Exactly what you told it to do. Dan Liston "Litiatco, Rick" wrote: > > Has anyone seen this? > > I've set my reply-to address in my list config file. For some reason, when > my list users get the email, the reply-to has been changed. > > RIck From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 18:56:58 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA22625; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF8517F18 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAR23Bx24537 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.40]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNFSD801.132; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:03:08 -0800 Message-ID: <3C02F369.2ACECBD9@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:59:05 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Healy Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Size restricitions of Majordomo References: <22B6B3E839F4D311AAFB00C00D0117E153A0B8@WEBBUSTERS01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Majordomo might not have a problem with a list this large, but sendmail might. Consider using bulk_mailer or tlb on lists this large. To help things out, sort your list by domain (or let bulk_mailer do it) so each connection to a domain can deliver more than one of your messages. You should also consider using multiple queues, a very powerful server, and a very wide pipe to the internet. Dan Liston Kevin Healy wrote: > > Hello, > > I will soon be setting up a list of 200,000 thousand email addresses. I am > worried that this will cause problems in the delivery stage. Can Majordomo > handle this amount or is this a server based issue? I was thinking of > perhaps splitting the list into 5 smaller lists - would this lower the > pressure on the server?? Or is it ok to send out a maling to that many > people at the same time. Anyone's input on this issue will be gratefully > accepted. > > Thanks in advance > > Kevin From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 20:56:55 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA24755; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0F017F1B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAR4kGx08976 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.40]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNFZX200.64I; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:46:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3C0319A2.8D6733EB@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:42:10 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lk@ordix.de Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Using the archive with "get" and "index" References: <3C021DA8.2B29A97B@ordix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Section VI of the majordomo "help" file explains this. To get the help file, send majordomo@your.domain a message with just the word "help" in the body of the message and no subject. To get an index of a list that you know to be archived, send majordomo@your.domain a message with just two words, "index listname". To get one of the files, again write to majordomo@your.domain. Only this time use a three word message body of "get listname filename". IF these commands are not working, make sure your aliases are sending archives to the directories defined in majordomo.cf. Dan Liston "Lars H. Korte" wrote: > > Hallo, > > How can I use the archive functions of majordomo ? > An Archive exists to every list, but an "index"-command doesn't show any > results nor can I "get" the files ! > > What's wrong ? > > Greets > Lars From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 21:13:13 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA25119; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3AD17F1E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id fAR5BSU10437; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id fAR5AcKq017426; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:10:38 -0800 Message-ID: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EDFD7@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> From: "Mohler, Jeff" To: "'Daniel Liston'" , "Mohler, Jeff" Cc: "'mjn'" , Kory Wheatley , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: RE: Performance problem Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:10:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On other advice, im looking at a bulk_mailer/sendmail 8.11 issue I need to resolve first. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:12 PM To: Mohler Jeff Cc: 'mjn'; Kory Wheatley; majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Performance problem On first impression, I believe these two problems are unrelated. The NOQUEUE: message from sendmail is for incoming connections, not outgoing as would be expected when delivering mailing list messages. You can set "O LogLevel=15" in sendmail.cf to get more information about each transaction in the logs, and/or you can add $DEBUG=1; in your majordomo.cf to get more info from majordomo. Dan Liston "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > Is there anything I can do..to get some useful debugging output from Domo/sendmail as to why a 2900 user list I have will process a few dozen addresses, then hang..and spit forth tons of: > > NOQUEUE: domain.com [ip.addr] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > Id love to find out where the processing of specific list is failing so miserably. From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 23:14:48 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA26382; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FCDE17EB4 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2ivega0.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.65.64] helo=server.aerosmithfanclub.com) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168cGv-0005Yu-00 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:03:13 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127015954.00a9bc98@mindspring.com> X-Sender: dboothe@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:02:57 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: dboothe@mindspring.com Subject: Index/Archive In-Reply-To: <3C005647.58F87086@netscape.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Here are the aliases I have so far. My questions are as follows. 1) If I want to archive my list are there benefits/drawbacks to archiving the full list vs. the digest (or both)? 2) What alias(es) do I need to set up to create the archive(s)? --- # # #begin generic majordomo stuff majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: listadmin majordomo-owner: listadmin #end generic majordomo stuff # # #begin fanlist fanlist: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l fanlist -h foobar.com fanlist-outgoing" fanlist-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/fanlist, fanlist-digestify fanlist-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l fanlist" fanlist-approval: listadmin owner-fanlist: listadmin fanlist-owner: listadmin owner-fanlist-outgoing: listadmin fanlist-outgoing-owner: listadmin #end fanlist # # #begin fanlist digest fanlist-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digests -r -C -l fanlist-digest fanlist-digest-outgoing" fanlist-digest: fanlist fanlist-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/fanlist-digest fanlist-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l fanlist-digest" fanlist-digest-approval: listadmin owner-fanlist-digest-outgoing: listadmin #end fanlist digest # # --- Thanks, David From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 23:41:51 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA26749; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from elijah.nobaloney.net (elijah.nobaloney.net [216.36.116.98]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DBD317F1E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobaloney.net ([192.168.0.101]) by elijah.nobaloney.net with SMTP (Mailtraq/2.0.0.1233) id ELJH3327B02D for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:35:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3C03425D.E524E276@nobaloney.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:35:57 -0800 From: Jeff Lasman Organization: nobaloney.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Creating Digest Lists on Cobalt Raq3 References: <20011113195708.D4536@testsystem.server0.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk "Mario A. Salinas" wrote: > 1. Create a digest version of an existing list. Our control > panel lets us create a list so we made a new list that has the same > name as our list but with "-digest" appended to the name. So > 'OurList' would be the name of the list and the digest version > created has the '-digest' appended and looks as follows: You can't create a digest using the Cobalt implementation of Majordomo. > What we do not understand most of all is that if the digest gets its > info from the original list, how could a digest be a separate list? > How can it not be a result and not a command within the originating > list? Digests are implemented in majordomo as separate lists, and email addresses are aliased to programs to create the digests. You can't do it through the Cobalt interface. > 2. Manually switch people to/from (subscribe/unsubscribe) the > digest version of the list because the Cobalt doesn't seem to provide > any way of doing that. Majordomo doesn't provide a way of doing it. You simply unsubscribe from one and subscribe to the other. > Can anyone help with the easiest method of accomplishing that goal? Yes. You can install a completely separate copy of majordomo on your RaQ, in addition to the copy that comes with it. Or you can install a different mailing list program. Or you can have someone else install a completely separate copy of majordomo for you. We offer installation of a separate copy of majordomo on Cobalt RaQs as a service; however there is a charge. If you decide you'd rather have someone do it for you than do it yourself, please let me know. Either way you'll need to manage majordomo independently from the Cobalt gui interface. > I have attempted to get help from the company we lease our machines > from in the resolution of these questions to no avail. We're an indepdent Cobalt support company and have lots of experience with majordomo on Cobalt RaQs. In fact we run a commercial list-service using a Cobalt RaQ4i. > I have recently installed MajorCool on the Cobalt machine and was > lucky enough to get someone to sit with me for two hours during the > installation process but we were unable to get that working either. > This is why I'm hoping someone here has had some experience with this > issue on a Cobalt Raq3 running Linux. We've been struggling with > this stuff for months. We can set up MajorCool to work with our installation of majordomo on your RaQ. We have a fixed rate for installing Majordomo, but MajorCool installation would be based on time spent. If you've spent months, then I think you'll find our service offering attractive . But it's not very hard to do if you're experienced with Linux administration and installing programs under Linux. > On a side note... This client/friend of mine is a well known author > who helps her readers every day and posts help on several lists > herself. Unfortunatly, so far, we've had no luck getting the answers > we need to put this problem to rest. Your help will be greatly > appreciated. Really. You can do it yourself, by creating a separate version of majordomo (hint: you don't have to install majordomo in any particular directory, but you must properly set up the aliases, and smrsh. Or we can do it for you. > Thanks in advance, You're welcome . Jeff -- Jeff Lasman Linux and Cobalt/Sun/RaQ Consulting nobaloney.net P. O. Box 52672, Riverside, CA 92517 voice: (909) 778-9980 * fax: (702) 548-9484 From majordomo-users-owner Mon Nov 26 23:56:51 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA26857; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from elijah.nobaloney.net (elijah.nobaloney.net [216.36.116.98]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DA52F17F1E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:47:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobaloney.net ([192.168.0.101]) by elijah.nobaloney.net with SMTP (Mailtraq/2.0.0.1233) id ELJH3327B036 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:47:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3C0344F9.4D0BB2E@nobaloney.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:47:05 -0800 From: Jeff Lasman Organization: nobaloney.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: preventing unauthorized distribution via list-outgoing. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Ezra Bick wrote: > BUT - the virus has taken to sending itself to , which > then resends to the whole list and effectively avoids all restrictions > found in the list configuration file. > > This seems to be a rather large whole, which could be used by spammers as > well as viruses. By simply adding -outgoing to the name of a list, anyone > can send anything to any list. > > What can be done? I like one of Daniel Liston's ideas best and have been implementing it for some time; that's using virtusertable. Virtusertable is enabled by default in many linux installations (if you're using linux) and has already been enabled in many multi-domain systems. Dan's explanation for setting up virtusertable, if it's not already set up, while short and to the point, is reasonably complete. What he leaves out is the line to be added to virtusertable; here it is: listname-outgoing@domain.com: error:nouser No such user here where "listname" is replaced by the name of the list, and that's a tab (not spaces) between the first and second fields. After implementing virtusertable in sendmail, and adding the line, be sure to do: # makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable # kill -HUP `head -n 1 /var/run/sendmail.pid` The first line will create a hashed version of virtusertable, and the second line will restart sendmail to read it. (Those are back-quotes [to the left of the one key on most keyboards] in the second line.) Jeff -- Jeff Lasman Linux and Cobalt/Sun/RaQ Consulting nobaloney.net P. O. Box 52672, Riverside, CA 92517 voice: (909) 778-9980 * fax: (702) 548-9484 From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 00:27:25 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id AAA27265; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.ordix.de (gw.ordix.de [212.218.179.18]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CE917EAE for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ordix.de (serena.ordix.de [192.168.7.81]) by gw.ordix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13868; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:18:48 +0100 Message-ID: <3C034C68.AF92B7BC@ordix.de> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:18:48 +0100 From: "Lars H. Korte" Reply-To: lk@ordix.de Organization: ORDIX AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323k (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Liston Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Using the archive with "get" and "index" References: <3C021DA8.2B29A97B@ordix.de> <3C0319A2.8D6733EB@netscape.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I know how to use these commands, but how can I configure the majordomo to give me a listing when I give him the INDEX-command and sends me the files with a GET command ? Lars Daniel Liston schrieb: > > Section VI of the majordomo "help" file explains this. To get the help > file, send majordomo@your.domain a message with just the word "help" in > the body of the message and no subject. To get an index of a list that > you know to be archived, send majordomo@your.domain a message with just > two words, "index listname". To get one of the files, again write to > majordomo@your.domain. Only this time use a three word message body of > "get listname filename". > > IF these commands are not working, make sure your aliases are sending > archives to the directories defined in majordomo.cf. > > Dan Liston > > "Lars H. Korte" wrote: > > > > Hallo, > > > > How can I use the archive functions of majordomo ? > > An Archive exists to every list, but an "index"-command doesn't show any > > results nor can I "get" the files ! > > > > What's wrong ? > > > > Greets > > Lars From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 01:26:33 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id BAA27943; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CE917E8C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAR93px07347 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.40]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNGBUD03.153; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:03:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3C035602.B87F2560@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:59:46 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lk@ordix.de Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Using the archive with "get" and "index" References: <3C021DA8.2B29A97B@ordix.de> <3C0319A2.8D6733EB@netscape.com> <3C034C68.AF92B7BC@ordix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Perhaps I misunderstood your question. It was very vague and open to interpretation. Look at your index_access and get_access settings in each of your individual listname.config files. If these are "closed" you will never get or index anything from any of them. I was hoping, > > IF these commands are not working, make sure your aliases are sending > > archives to the directories defined in majordomo.cf. would clue you in to provide information from your aliases file and your majordomo.cf file regarding archiving. If you can't find the specific problem on your own, you have to be willing to share semi-private info to get help. Dan Liston "Lars H. Korte" wrote: > > Hello, > > I know how to use these commands, but how can I configure the majordomo > to give me a listing when I give him the INDEX-command and sends me the > files with a GET command ? > > Lars > > Daniel Liston schrieb: > > > > Section VI of the majordomo "help" file explains this. To get the help > > file, send majordomo@your.domain a message with just the word "help" in > > the body of the message and no subject. To get an index of a list that > > you know to be archived, send majordomo@your.domain a message with just > > two words, "index listname". To get one of the files, again write to > > majordomo@your.domain. Only this time use a three word message body of > > "get listname filename". > > > > IF these commands are not working, make sure your aliases are sending > > archives to the directories defined in majordomo.cf. > > > > Dan Liston > > > > "Lars H. Korte" wrote: > > > > > > Hallo, > > > > > > How can I use the archive functions of majordomo ? > > > An Archive exists to every list, but an "index"-command doesn't show any > > > results nor can I "get" the files ! > > > > > > What's wrong ? > > > > > > Greets > > > Lars From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 02:26:53 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA00184; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from kodos.tinet.ie (mail1.tinet.ie [159.134.237.22]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E4C17EAE for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [159.134.199.190] (helo=webbusters01.webbusters.com) by kodos.tinet.ie with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 168fEE-0006f9-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:12:39 +0000 Received: by WEBBUSTERS01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:08:29 -0000 Message-ID: <22B6B3E839F4D311AAFB00C00D0117E153A0D7@WEBBUSTERS01> From: Kevin Healy To: "'Daniel Liston'" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: RE: List Size restricitions of Majordomo Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:08:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I am not familiar with bulk_mailer or tlb. How do I find information about them, what are they? Is it easy to download/install? Thanks in advance Kevin Healy -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] Sent: 27 November 2001 01:59 To: Kevin Healy Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List Size restricitions of Majordomo Majordomo might not have a problem with a list this large, but sendmail might. Consider using bulk_mailer or tlb on lists this large. To help things out, sort your list by domain (or let bulk_mailer do it) so each connection to a domain can deliver more than one of your messages. You should also consider using multiple queues, a very powerful server, and a very wide pipe to the internet. Dan Liston Kevin Healy wrote: > > Hello, > > I will soon be setting up a list of 200,000 thousand email addresses. I am > worried that this will cause problems in the delivery stage. Can Majordomo > handle this amount or is this a server based issue? I was thinking of > perhaps splitting the list into 5 smaller lists - would this lower the > pressure on the server?? Or is it ok to send out a maling to that many > people at the same time. Anyone's input on this issue will be gratefully > accepted. > > Thanks in advance > > Kevin From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 03:26:55 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id DAA02480; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from rbadb2.rbacpxclu.bas.roche.com (gw.bas.roche.com [196.3.50.241]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C6A17EAE for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:14:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.Roche.COM by Roche.COM (PMDF V6.0-025 #47170) id <01KB758HJJV49AVE4E@Roche.COM> for Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:10:49 +0100 Received: from rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com (rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com [145.245.211.139]) by Roche.COM (PMDF V6.0-025 #47170) with ESMTP id <01KB758BCRX497EBJZ@Roche.COM>; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:10:39 +0100 Received: by rbamsemcn1.bas.roche.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:11:11 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:11:04 +0100 From: "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" Subject: RE: Post Resticts To: "'Daniel Liston'" , Majordomo-Users Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Yes, you're right. People are sending directly to listname-list. I'm not very familiar with sendmail. Can you post maybe a sample config I could adapt to get the .poster file to work?? It would help me a lot Thanks in Advance Maurizio > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] > Sent: Freitag, 23. November 2001 06:04 > To: Majordomo-Users > Subject: Re: Post Resticts > > > Maurizio, (and Ezra might find this useful too) > > Still assuming sendmail to be your MTA, it would now be my > guess that IF your > file.poster file has the proper ownership and permissions, > people are writing > directly to your listname-list alias address rather than the > listname address. > You can verify this by cranking your loglevel in sendmail.cf > to 15 from the > default of 9 and watching the maillog file. I would also be > willing to bet > that sendmail is announcing the listname-list alias in the > "Received:" headers > of messages going out from your list. I recently posted to > someone, how to > prevent this by adding ,nobody to the listname: alias. You > can also prevent > users outside the local machine from posting directly to the > listname-list > address by enabling and using virtusertable in the following manner: > > listname-list@mymail.com error:nouser User unknown > > This will bounce messages coming directly to your outgoing > address back to > the sender as undeliverable, but sendmail on the local > machine will still be > able to use the alias for outgoing messages. > > "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" wrote: > > > > Yes I'm using the resend with the -l option. > > Here an entry of my aliases file. Where listname is the > name of the list. :) > > > > What are other parameters to give to the resend command? > > > > listname-owner: me@mymail.com > > owner-listname: me@mymail.com > > listname-approval: me@mymail.com > > listname-request: me@mymail.com > > listname-list: > :include:/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/listname > > listname: "|/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend > -l listname listname-list" > > > > i also tried with > > listname-request: "|/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper > request-answer listname" > > and > > listname-request: "|/opt/MAJORDOMO/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper > majordomo -l listname" > > > > But without success. > > Can you help please? > > Also what directives do I have to configure in the .config file? > > > > Thanks a lot > > Regards, > > Maurizio > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] > > > Sent: Mittwoch, 21. November 2001 17:57 > > > To: Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst} > > > Cc: 'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM' > > > Subject: Re: Post Resticts > > > > > > > > > Not that it matters, but I will assume sendmail to be your MTA. > > > With this assumption, does your listname alias in the /etc/aliases > > > (or additional aliases file) use "resend"? All the configuration > > > in the world is pretty much useless without it. > > > > > > I have no clue about majorcool, but using list.passwd, list.admin, > > > list.private, etc. are leftovers from ancient versions of > majordomo. > > > All of these settings should be configured via the > list.config file. > > > > > > Dan Liston > > > > > > "Cencigh, Maurizio {POYD~Kaiseraugst}" wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I have a copy of Majordomo-1.94.5 installed on an Solaris > > > 2.6 machine. > > > > > > > > Everything works fine, except the restrict of postings. > > > > > > > > Ihave the restrict_post = file.poster enabled. But any user > > > not being in that file > > > > also can send newsletter to a list. Then I tried with > > > moderate = yes. > > > > I set the file.pass and file.admin. Anyway every user can > > > send newsletter to any list > > > > regardless of both restricting mechanism. With moderate I'm > > > even not asked to approve > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > I have another problem with Majorcool. When I try to modify > > > a list I have to have an > > > > password. Where is that password hold?? I tried with the > > > password I put in the list.pass and list.admin > > > > files, but doesn't work. > > > > > > > > Can anybody help on any of these two problems. > > > > > > > > help is highly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Regards, > > > > Maurizio > > > > From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 05:12:09 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id FAA04189; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bcpl.net (mail.bcpl.net [204.255.212.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10AE17EAE for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (fold@localhost) by mail.bcpl.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARDAQX29383 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:10:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:10:25 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-X-Sender: To: MAJORDOMO-USERS Subject: Re: preventing unauthorized distribution via list-outgoing. In-Reply-To: <3C0344F9.4D0BB2E@nobaloney.net> Message-ID: X-Organization: BCPL.NET Internet Services X-Abuse-Reports: abuse@bcpl.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Jeff Lasman wrote: > After implementing virtusertable in sendmail, and adding the line, be > sure to do: > > # makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable > # kill -HUP `head -n 1 /var/run/sendmail.pid` > > The first line will create a hashed version of virtusertable, and the > second line will restart sendmail to read it. (Those are back-quotes > [to the left of the one key on most keyboards] in the second line.) It's necessary to reload sendmail only when you make changes to a plain text config file (like sendmail.cf, local-host-names, relay-domains, trusted-users), which are read into memory when sendmail starts up. Config files in hash, DBM, etc formats (access, virtusertable, etc), are read on the fly so are usable by sendmail immediately after running makemap. -- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) E-Mail: fold@bcpl.net Manager, BCPL Network Services Phone: 410-887-6180 Manager, BCPL.NET Internet Services FAX: 410-887-2091 Baltimore County Public Library 320 York Road Towson, MD 21204 USA From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 06:26:55 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA04871; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from kodos.tinet.ie (mail1.tinet.ie [159.134.237.22]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2564717EBE for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [159.134.199.190] (helo=webbusters01.webbusters.com) by kodos.tinet.ie with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 168jAH-00045U-00 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:24:49 +0000 Received: by WEBBUSTERS01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:20:47 -0000 Message-ID: <22B6B3E839F4D311AAFB00C00D0117E153A0F0@WEBBUSTERS01> From: Kevin Healy To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Sendmail and bulkmailer Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:20:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, I am setting up a list of 200,000 names and I have been informed that sendmail might have some problems with a list this size. I would be very grateful if anybody could answer these questions. What is sendmail? Is it part of majordomo or a seperate package. How can I find out the limitations of sendmail? And finally what is bulkmailer, is downloadable from web or will I have to purcahse it. Thanking you in advance Kevin Healy From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 08:58:36 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA06494; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from shipyard.proteome.com (ns1.proteome.com [209.192.182.163]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678E717EAF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:55:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from proteus.proteome.com (mailhost.proteome.com [209.192.182.162]) by shipyard.proteome.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fARH0lw14222 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from whaler.proteome.com (whaler.proteome.com [10.203.2.11]) by proteus.proteome.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fARGtJD13534 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kylet@localhost) by whaler.proteome.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fARGtIq24634 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:55:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Kyle Tucker" Message-Id: <1011127115518.ZM24632@whaler.proteome.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:55:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi all, I can't believe I'm the first to hit this problem but it wasn't in the FAQ. For a moderated list, resend appends the original message onto a new BOUNCE message to be sent to the list owner. It does not however indent the original "From_" header so when the owner gets the bounce (via IMAP), it's split up as two messages due to the From_ seperator, which is how they should behave. While, mailx, elm and Z-Mail all handle it okay on my Solaris box (presumably owing to using Content-Length) all the Windows progs; Eudora, Netscape and Outlook; split it. If I modify the mailbox to use >From on the original message, all is fine and "approve" script filters this out properly. How should I handle this and why am I even having this issue? Here's a bounce message from resend in case it's not doing as it should. I put the >'s in. Thanks. > From owner-answers@foo.bar Mon Nov 26 10:30:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by proteus.foo.bar (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQFUR006070; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:27 -0500 (EST) From: owner-answers@foo.bar Message-Id: <200111261530.fAQFUR006070@proteus.foo.bar> X-Authentication-Warning: proteus.foo.bar: majordom set sender to owner-answers@foo.bar using -f To: answers-approval@foo.bar Subject: BOUNCE answers@foo.bar: Approval required: Content-Length: 585 Status: OR > From kylet@foo.bar Mon Nov 26 10:30:26 2001 Received: from curly.foo.bar (curly.foo.bar [10.203.10.19]) by proteus.foo.bar (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAQFUQD06066 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by curly.foo.bar (8.11.1/8.10.1) id fAQFUPc21955; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200111261530.fAQFUPc21955@curly.foo.bar> From: Anonymous Poster To: answers@bev.foo.bar Subject: Test jfdkjfdkfdjkfdfd -- - Kyle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kyle Tucker - Manager of IT Tel: (978) 816-0229 Incyte Genomics - Proteome Division Fax: (978) 816-0286 100 Cummings Center, Suite 435M Email - kylet@incyte.com Beverly, MA 01915 Web - http://www.incyte.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 09:13:12 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA06627; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AC717EAF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fARH1Hx19928 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.55]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNGXY300.J9J; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:01:15 -0800 Message-ID: <3C03C5E9.4765E8E1@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:57:13 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Healy Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Sendmail and bulkmailer References: <22B6B3E839F4D311AAFB00C00D0117E153A0F0@WEBBUSTERS01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Kevin, I am pretty sure sendmail is distributed with just about every free unix-like operating system. This is what moves email around the internet on 80-90% of the servers around the world. It is not part of majordomo, but majordomo requires it (or compatible MTA) to do it's job. You can download sendmail from www.sendmail.org. Bulk_mailer is an add-on or plug-in application to help speed up delivery of mass mail like mailing lists, and is also separate from either majordomo or sendmail. Dan Liston Kevin Healy wrote: > > Hello, > > I am setting up a list of 200,000 names and I have been informed that > sendmail might have some problems with a list this size. I would be very > grateful if anybody could answer these questions. What is sendmail? Is it > part of majordomo or a seperate package. How can I find out the limitations > of sendmail? And finally what is bulkmailer, is downloadable from web or > will I have to purcahse it. > > Thanking you in advance > > Kevin Healy From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 09:28:13 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA06913; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from sparkie.elmo.osl.state.or.us (elmo.osl.state.or.us [159.121.122.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6C317EAF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by sparkie.elmo.osl.state.or.us (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 507D41ED4C; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:25:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:25:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Christopher A. Adams" X-Sender: chris@elmo.osl.state.or.us To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: clarification on request-list/owner-list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I need some clarification about the 'sender' variable in the list.config file and the difference between request-list and owner-list. There is a file that is sent out if I send to request-list that has a summary of commands. I don't know where to find that or why one would use it. I have set .info files that are appended to the welcome text generated automatically from majordomo. What is typically used as the 'sender' variable in the list.config files? Christopher Adams Automated Systems Oregon State Library chris@sparkie.osl.state.or.us From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 09:44:46 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA06396; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE0017EAF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fARGj5Y19094 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.55]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNGX7502.78Q; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:45:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3C03C21E.E5F37666@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:41:02 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dboothe@mindspring.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Index/Archive References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127015954.00a9bc98@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk See comments inline... dboothe@mindspring.com wrote: > > Here are the aliases I have so far. My questions are as follows. > > 1) If I want to archive my list are there benefits/drawbacks to archiving > the full list vs. the digest (or both)? Either way is a storage space issue. Since drive space is "cheap" now, I tend to take a lazier approach and archive both. You could always set up a cron to clean out what you do not want though. > > 2) What alias(es) do I need to set up to create the archive(s)? See more inline comments... > > --- > # > # > #begin generic majordomo stuff > majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" > owner-majordomo: listadmin > majordomo-owner: listadmin > #end generic majordomo stuff Fine, generic is good. > # > # > #begin fanlist > fanlist: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l fanlist -h foobar.com fanlist-outgoing" add ,nobody to this alias to prevent sendmail from disclosing your -outgoing address fanlist: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l fanlist -h foobar.com fanlist-outgoing,nobody" > fanlist-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/fanlist, fanlist-digestify append fanlist-archiver onto your -outgoing alias with -digestify . fanlist-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/fanlist, fanlist-digestify, fanlist-archiver add one of these lines fanlist-archiver: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/lists/fanlist.archive/fanlist -a -M" or fanlist-archiver: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/archive/fanlist/fanlist -a -M" depending on your $filedir and $filedir_suffix in majordomo.cf The first example above matches these majordomo.cf settings $filedir = "$listdir"; $filedir_suffix = ".archive"; The second example matches these. $filedir = "$homedir/archive"; $filedir_suffix = ""; > fanlist-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l fanlist" > fanlist-approval: listadmin > owner-fanlist: listadmin > fanlist-owner: listadmin > owner-fanlist-outgoing: listadmin > fanlist-outgoing-owner: listadmin Neither majordomo nor sendmail will ever use the above alias. > #end fanlist > # > # > #begin fanlist digest > fanlist-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digests -r -C -l fanlist-digest fanlist-digest-outgoing" > fanlist-digest: fanlist > fanlist-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/fanlist-digest > fanlist-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l fanlist-digest" > fanlist-digest-approval: listadmin > owner-fanlist-digest-outgoing: listadmin > #end fanlist digest > # > # You may want to add ,nobody to the digestify alias too. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 09:59:32 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA07256; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.disney.com (mail.disney.com [204.128.192.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F086817EAF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from Hermes10.corp.disney.com (hermes10.corp.disney.com [153.7.110.102]) by mail.disney.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id fARHohf10271 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ds-naso-mc01.studio.disney.com by hermes.corp.disney.com with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:51:20 -0800 Received: by ds-naso-mc01.studio.disney.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:53:13 -0800 Message-Id: <99A560B38BC6D21180020004ACA6B36A0389522A@ds-naso-msa2.wds.disney.com> From: "Litiatco, Rick" To: dliston@netscape.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: RE: Reply-to Getting Changed Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:48:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks for the reply. I actually got this fixed by setting munged domain = yes. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:26 PM To: Litiatco, Rick Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Reply-to Getting Changed It sounds to me that majordomo is doing Exactly what you told it to do. Dan Liston "Litiatco, Rick" wrote: > > Has anyone seen this? > > I've set my reply-to address in my list config file. For some reason, when > my list users get the email, the reply-to has been changed. > > RIck From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 10:43:57 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA08140; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from fred.krusty-motorsports.com (cm-24-161-28-112.nycap.rr.com [24.161.28.112]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558F017EAF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.11] (helo=FOODCHAIN) by fred.krusty-motorsports.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 168n2R-0001f6-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:32:59 -0500 From: Richard Welty To: Kevin Healy Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Sendmail and bulkmailer Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:06:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <22B6B3E839F4D311AAFB00C00D0117E153A0F0@WEBBUSTERS01> <3C03C5E9.4765E8E1@netscape.com> In-Reply-To: <3C03C5E9.4765E8E1@netscape.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:57:13 -0600, Dan wrote: >I am pretty sure sendmail is distributed with just about every free >unix-like operating system. This is what moves email around the = internet >on 80-90% of the servers around the world. It is not part of majordomo, >but majordomo requires it (or compatible MTA) to do it's job. You can=20 >download sendmail from www.sendmail.org. Bulk_mailer is an add-on or >plug-in application to help speed up delivery of mass mail like mailing >lists, and is also separate from either majordomo or sendmail. > >Dan Liston > >Kevin Healy wrote: >>=20 >> Hello, >>=20 >> I am setting up a list of 200,000 names and I have been informed that >> sendmail might have some problems with a list this size. I would be = very >> grateful if anybody could answer these questions. What is sendmail? Is= it >> part of majordomo or a seperate package. How can I find out the = limitations >> of sendmail? And finally what is bulkmailer, is downloadable from web = or >> will I have to purcahse it. with a list this size, Kevin needs to pay careful attention to his email architecture. any of the major Un*x MTAs can be gotten to deal with the requirement (qmail, postfix, sendmail, exim). sendmail may require a more complex setup to do this well. qmail isn't really sendmail compatible, but can be gotten to work with majordomo. postfix and exim are both very nearly drop in replacements for sendmail, and both have good scaling properties. bulk_mailer has some deficiencies, and depending on circumstances, may not be a good solution for Kevin's problem. if it's still the way it was back when i used it (before i switched to using exim), a system crash in the middle of a bulk_mailer run _will_ result in lost email, which may not be at all acceptable. there are people who know sendmail who can probably make it work very well for the application. some of them are on this list. i can provide guidance for an exim setup, and there are probably knowledgeable postfix types around here too. most qmail users use the ezmlm mailing list manager that ties in closely with qmail. richard From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 11:13:27 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA08462; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from elijah.nobaloney.net (elijah.nobaloney.net [216.36.116.98]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2901B17EAF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:57:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobaloney.net ([192.168.0.101]) by elijah.nobaloney.net with SMTP (Mailtraq/2.0.0.1233) id ELJH3338B0B2 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:57:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3C03E231.2EE36BEF@nobaloney.net> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:57:53 -0800 From: Jeff Lasman Organization: nobaloney.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: unzubscribe_policy set to closed not working... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk We're running majordomo version 1.94.5. We've got the unzubscribe_policy (spelled correctly of course) set to closed in our config file for the mailing list in question. Yet the unzubscription takes place without any moderator approval. Is this normal behavior? Any ideas? Jeff -- Jeff Lasman Linux and Cobalt/Sun/RaQ Consulting nobaloney.net P. O. Box 52672, Riverside, CA 92517 voice: (909) 778-9980 * fax: (702) 548-9484 From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 19:58:39 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id TAA14609; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48ECF17EAF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAS3X3Y11672 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.14]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNHR7402.4H6; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:33:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3C0459FF.B98C64F1@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:29:03 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kyle Tucker Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator References: <1011127115518.ZM24632@whaler.proteome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I think you have answered your own question. Unix tools work, windows tools do not. It is still the same message on the server either way, which means it is the mail user agent that is munging the message from one into two. Actually, even with two messages, the first (blank) message can be deleted. You are only interested in the real message with real headers for approval. The blank message only has headers from majordomo any way. Dan Liston Kyle Tucker wrote: > > Hi all, > I can't believe I'm the first to hit this problem but it > wasn't in the FAQ. For a moderated list, resend appends the original > message onto a new BOUNCE message to be sent to the list owner. It > does not however indent the original "From_" header so when the owner > gets the bounce (via IMAP), it's split up as two messages due to the > From_ seperator, which is how they should behave. While, mailx, elm > and Z-Mail all handle it okay on my Solaris box (presumably owing to > using Content-Length) all the Windows progs; Eudora, Netscape and > Outlook; split it. If I modify the mailbox to use >From on the original > message, all is fine and "approve" script filters this out properly. > How should I handle this and why am I even having this issue? Here's > a bounce message from resend in case it's not doing as it should. I > put the >'s in. > > Thanks. > > > From owner-answers@foo.bar Mon Nov 26 10:30:27 2001 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by proteus.foo.bar (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQFUR006070; > Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:27 -0500 (EST) > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:27 -0500 (EST) > From: owner-answers@foo.bar > Message-Id: <200111261530.fAQFUR006070@proteus.foo.bar> > X-Authentication-Warning: proteus.foo.bar: majordom set sender to > owner-answers@foo.bar using -f > To: answers-approval@foo.bar > Subject: BOUNCE answers@foo.bar: Approval required: > Content-Length: 585 > Status: OR > > > From kylet@foo.bar Mon Nov 26 10:30:26 2001 > Received: from curly.foo.bar (curly.foo.bar [10.203.10.19]) > by proteus.foo.bar (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAQFUQD06066 > for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:26 -0500 (EST) > Received: (from nobody@localhost) > by curly.foo.bar (8.11.1/8.10.1) id fAQFUPc21955; > Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) > Message-Id: <200111261530.fAQFUPc21955@curly.foo.bar> > From: Anonymous Poster > To: answers@bev.foo.bar > Subject: Test > > jfdkjfdkfdjkfdfd > > -- > - Kyle > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kyle Tucker - Manager of IT Tel: (978) 816-0229 > Incyte Genomics - Proteome Division Fax: (978) 816-0286 > 100 Cummings Center, Suite 435M Email - kylet@incyte.com > Beverly, MA 01915 Web - http://www.incyte.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 20:19:50 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA14938; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.17]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F4217ED2 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from dave.cedar.net ([24.4.165.200]) by femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011128040058.EZKJ3253.femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dave.cedar.net> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:00:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011127224752.00e24ab0@mail.cedar.net> X-Sender: dvanhorn@mail.cedar.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:02:51 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: David VanHorn Subject: Stuck. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've been struggling. I have 1.94.5 installed on RH7.1 I'm at the point where I'm supposed to run the config-test script, but I can't. the home dir (/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5) permissions are 750. I'm logged in as a normal. I tried setting the config-test script permissions to 665, but no go there either. The thing I was trying to troubleshoot, is that I kept getting error messages that said that it was having problems because the lists directory was world-writable. 550 5.2.4 :include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/avrchat... Cannot open /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/avrchat: World writable directory I haven't found a set of permissions that satisfies it. I can only get the config test script to run with perms set to 777. So: Majordomo is a user on the system, with it's primary group as daemon. Mail is coming in, and accumulating in majordomo's inbox. However, it's not going out. Since I can't get past first base with the setup of the permissions, I am pretty much stuck. -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org Got a need to read Bar codes? http://www.barcodechip.com Bi-directional read of UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-8, EAN-13, JAN, and Bookland, with two or five digit supplemental codes, in an 8 pin chip, with NO external parts. From majordomo-users-owner Tue Nov 27 23:22:08 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA17132; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from etzion.org.il (linux.hertzog.macam98.ac.il [192.114.207.34]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04FA217EAF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from etzion.org.il (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/Debian 8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id fAS77QgK029656 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:07:26 +0200 Received: (from ebick@localhost) by etzion.org.il (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/Debian 8.12.0.Beta16) id fAS77QCs029654; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:07:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:07:24 +0200 (IST) From: Ezra Bick To: MAJORDOMO-USERS Subject: Approval with messages containing attachments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On a moderated list, the first line must contain an approved: passwd to get through. I send messages with attachments. In such a case, the mailer (PINE) appends a line about the inclusion of the attachment in the first line BEFORE the "approved" line. Hence the message is bounced. Is there a solution? At present, we have to switch the list to "open", send the message, and then switch it back to closed. Ezra Bick ebick@etzion.org.il From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 02:50:59 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA20239; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.sempervigilans.org (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.45]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C6317EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.zol.co.zw (apollo.zol.co.zw [216.252.247.15]) by lists.sempervigilans.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC921459C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from hera.zol.co.zw (hera.zol.co.zw [216.252.247.10]) by apollo.zol.co.zw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7EE7EB9 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:22:02 +0200 (CAT) Received: from fido.mango.zw (unverified [216.252.246.222]) by hera.zol.co.zw (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.193) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:21:54 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by fido.mango.zw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id MAA16108 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:05:04 +0200 Received: (from ifmail@localhost) by healthnet.zw (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA11694 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:40:04 +0200 Received: from p5.f2.n7211.z5.fidonet.org by f2.n7211.z5.fidonet.org with FTN (ifmail v.2.14) id AA11678; Wed, 28 Nov 01 11:40:04 +0200 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: rborland Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:40:04 +0200 Subject: Stuck. Message-ID: <3626643527@p5.f2.n7211.z5.ftn> In-Reply-To: <1983472348@mail.cedar.net> X-Mailer: FrontDoor APX/w 1.12b UnReg(652) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk * Original to: David VanHorn (dvanhorn@cedar.net) * One carbon copy > I've been struggling. > I have 1.94.5 installed on RH7.1 > ... > I haven't found a set of permissions that satisfies it. The Majordomo-MajorCool-HOWTO reported problems with the Majordomo RPM so I installed off the tar file onto Redhat 7.1. I also had many permissions problems. I removed this installation and installed from the current RPM and everything worked perfectly out of the box. And the directory structure is much more familiar for Redhatters with config files in /etc, correct links in /etc/smrsh, and so on. Bt if you want to keep fiddling, heres how the main directories appear: drwxr-x--- majordom majordom /var/lib/majordomo drwxr-xr-x 2 majordom majordom 1024 Jan 27 2000 OLDLOGS drwxr-x--- 5 majordom majordom 1024 Nov 27 11:57 archives drwxr-x--- 5 majordom majordom 1024 Nov 27 11:57 digest drwxr-x--- 2 majordom majordom 1024 Nov 27 17:09 lists rw-r--r-- 1 majordom majordom 17 Nov 27 11:10 testlist1 rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 16518 Nov 27 11:10 testlist1.config rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 12091 Nov 27 17:09 log drwxr-x--- 2 majordom majordom 1024 Nov 26 11:13 tmp Regards, Rob -*- Carbon Copy recipients follow: -*- dvanhorn@cedar.net CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 06:46:08 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA25031; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bard.edu (bard.edu [192.246.229.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7670517EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bard.edu (goober.bard.edu [192.246.229.240]) by bard.edu (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA34864 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:31:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3C04F74B.7BFE29A5@bard.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:40:11 -0500 From: Stewart Dean X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: It's time to document limitations/problems/strategies for large lists Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm not the one to do it, but it seems like it's time for the right people to do this. This question comes up again and again and the wheel gets reinvented and the same holes get fallen into. Kevin Healy's been tasked with a 200, 000 list and apparently has already done a 100,000 member list... Huddle guys... -- Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 sdean@bard.edu voice: 845-758-7475, fax: 845-758-7035 From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 07:01:20 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA25080; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from uuism.uuism.net (pointer.beside.hilto.net [66.70.153.119]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3121F17EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from torch (dhcp-022.rback0.chcg0.il.voyager.net [169.207.20.22]) by uuism.uuism.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fASEd3x30379 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:39:03 -0600 From: "Jim Hermann" To: Subject: Majordomo on Virtual Domains Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:39:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3626643527@p5.f2.n7211.z5.ftn> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am the hostmaster for a machine that I pay another company to run for me. The machine provides servers for various virtual domains. Each virtual domain has a seemingly complete set of directories and files under /home/virtual/domain-name. They initially install all software and provide limited support for some items, including Majordomo. The Majorodomo installation almost works. When it creates list-name.config files, there is no entry for resend_host. To get each list to function properly, I have to manually enter the resend_host name into each list-name.config. However, since each domain administrator can create new mailing lists, I don't always find out until someone complains. How can I add a variable to the config_parse.pl that will insert the domain name into each list-name.config that it creates? BTW, it appears that all the majordomo files in /usr/lib/majordomo are linked across virtual domains. If I change one, they all change. Jim -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM]On Behalf Of rborland Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:40 AM To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Stuck. * Original to: David VanHorn (dvanhorn@cedar.net) * One carbon copy > I've been struggling. > I have 1.94.5 installed on RH7.1 > ... > I haven't found a set of permissions that satisfies it. The Majordomo-MajorCool-HOWTO reported problems with the Majordomo RPM so I installed off the tar file onto Redhat 7.1. I also had many permissions problems. I removed this installation and installed from the current RPM and everything worked perfectly out of the box. And the directory structure is much more familiar for Redhatters with config files in /etc, correct links in /etc/smrsh, and so on. Bt if you want to keep fiddling, heres how the main directories appear: drwxr-x--- majordom majordom /var/lib/majordomo drwxr-xr-x 2 majordom majordom 1024 Jan 27 2000 OLDLOGS drwxr-x--- 5 majordom majordom 1024 Nov 27 11:57 archives drwxr-x--- 5 majordom majordom 1024 Nov 27 11:57 digest drwxr-x--- 2 majordom majordom 1024 Nov 27 17:09 lists rw-r--r-- 1 majordom majordom 17 Nov 27 11:10 testlist1 rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 16518 Nov 27 11:10 testlist1.config rw-rw---- 1 majordom majordom 12091 Nov 27 17:09 log drwxr-x--- 2 majordom majordom 1024 Nov 26 11:13 tmp Regards, Rob -*- Carbon Copy recipients follow: -*- dvanhorn@cedar.net CC: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 08:01:12 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA25838; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:44:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B429617EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fASFhqY11839 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.119]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNIP1401.6KQ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:43:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3C050549.4B03CFA3@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:39:53 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: iPlanet eCommerce Solutions, A Sun-Netscape Alliance X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David VanHorn Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Stuck. References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011127224752.00e24ab0@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128094427.02cd5360@mail.cedar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Yes, but you may have to chown/chmod them after the rpm install to match the rest of the installation. You may save your list's aliases too. The install does not overwrite aliases. The rpm WILL create the majordomo user:group for you, add a majordomo alias to your aliases file, create directories with proper permissions and ownerships, and generate the majordomo.cf file for you. It has been some time since I have used it, but I think it even creates the smrsh link to wrapper for you. The rpm does NOT create any default lists or aliases for the lists. If you need help with that, I have an interactive perl script that can help you out. I tried sending the script to this list a few days ago, but it does not seem to have been distributed. Just let me know if you need it, and I will email it to you directly. Dan Liston David VanHorn wrote: > > At 02:08 AM 11/28/01 -0600, Daniel Liston wrote: > >Uninstall what you have so far, delete your majordomo user and remove > >majordomo from the daemon group, then try this; > > > >ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/6.1/en/powertools/i386/majordomo-1.94.5-2.i386.rpm > > > >and `rpm -Uhv majordomo-1.94.5-2.i386.rpm`. > > > >I think you will have a much easier time getting started. > > Is there any way for me to save my subscriber lists? > > -- > Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org > > Got a need to read Bar codes? http://www.barcodechip.com > Bi-directional read of UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-8, EAN-13, JAN, and Bookland, with > two or five digit supplemental codes, in an 8 pin chip, with NO external parts. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 08:16:08 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA26195; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DF617EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from dave.cedar.net ([24.4.165.200]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011128160920.JYBX14698.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dave.cedar.net>; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:09:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011128111034.029c3260@mail.cedar.net> X-Sender: dvanhorn@mail.cedar.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:11:10 -0500 To: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) From: David VanHorn Subject: Re: Stuck. Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3C050549.4B03CFA3@netscape.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011127224752.00e24ab0@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128094427.02cd5360@mail.cedar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 09:39 AM 11/28/01 -0600, Dan Liston wrote: >Yes, but you may have to chown/chmod them after the rpm install to match >the rest of the installation. You may save your list's aliases too. The >install does not overwrite aliases. The rpm WILL create the majordomo >user:group for you, add a majordomo alias to your aliases file, create >directories with proper permissions and ownerships, and generate the >majordomo.cf file for you. It has been some time since I have used it, >but I think it even creates the smrsh link to wrapper for you. The rpm >does NOT create any default lists or aliases for the lists. If you need >help with that, I have an interactive perl script that can help you out. >I tried sending the script to this list a few days ago, but it does not >seem to have been distributed. Just let me know if you need it, and I >will email it to you directly. Would I be safe then, to rename the dir, then install the RPM, then pull over whatever files are needed? -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org Got a need to read Bar codes? http://www.barcodechip.com Bi-directional read of UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-8, EAN-13, JAN, and Bookland, with two or five digit supplemental codes, in an 8 pin chip, with NO external parts. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 08:31:23 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA26347; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5C317ED6 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty-motorsports.com ([192.94.170.8] helo=suespammers.org ident=root) by krusty-motorsports.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1697SX-0003e1-00; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:21:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3C051C83.837E4994@suespammers.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:18:59 -0500 From: rwelty@suespammers.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stewart Dean Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: It's time to document limitations/problems/strategies for large lists References: <3C04F74B.7BFE29A5@bard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Stewart Dean wrote: > > I'm not the one to do it, but it seems like it's time for the right > people to do this. This question comes up again and again and the wheel > gets reinvented and the same holes get fallen into. Kevin Healy's been > tasked with a 200, 000 list and apparently has already done a 100,000 > member list... > Huddle guys... perhaps we need to set up a parallel mailing list, say large-lists i can put such a list up on my server (digest.net), it'd be a good chance to start experimenting with my majordomo2 installation (which as of yet isn't actually running any lists.) richard From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 08:46:14 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA26218; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6981117EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fASGCux20011 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.119]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNIQDJ00.ELM; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:12:55 -0800 Message-ID: <3C050C16.EB9892AE@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:08:54 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ezra Bick Cc: MAJORDOMO-USERS Subject: Re: Approval with messages containing attachments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You may be misunderstanding the requirement. The approved: header line does not have to be the first line. It just has to appear before any blank lines so it is accepted as a header rather than part of the body of the message. If you look in the Sep 2000 and/or Jun 2001 majordomo-users archives for messages from me (lot of hits), subject of "approving" or "attachments" should narrow the hits down considerably. If the archives don't help, let us know via the list, with your configuration information, majordomo FAQ section 1.5 tells what should be provided, and we will see what else we can do to help you out. Dan Liston Just so nobody thinks I have a frog in my pocket, "we" in the sentence above is referring to myself and the rest of the majordomo-users list. :) Ezra Bick wrote: > > On a moderated list, the first line must contain an > approved: passwd > to get through. > > I send messages with attachments. In such a case, the mailer (PINE) > appends a line about the inclusion of the attachment in the first line > BEFORE the "approved" line. Hence the message is bounced. > > Is there a solution? At present, we have to switch the list to "open", > send the message, and then switch it back to closed. > > Ezra Bick > ebick@etzion.org.il From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 09:16:24 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA27022; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FC217EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fASHBhx18529 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.119]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNIT3I00.OML; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:11:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3C0519DB.C1490992@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:07:39 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Hermann Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo on Virtual Domains References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is kind of a can of worms. This can be done, but not without a fairly complex code modification, or a post-creation script that parses the newly created listname.config and force feeds it the resend_host setting. Another solution is to simply add the "-h " argument to resend in your aliases file for these hosted lists. Dan Liston Jim Hermann wrote: > > I am the hostmaster for a machine that I pay another company to run for me. > The machine provides servers for various virtual domains. Each virtual > domain has a seemingly complete set of directories and files under > /home/virtual/domain-name. They initially install all software and provide > limited support for some items, including Majordomo. > > The Majorodomo installation almost works. When it creates list-name.config > files, there is no entry for resend_host. To get each list to function > properly, I have to manually enter the resend_host name into each > list-name.config. However, since each domain administrator can create new > mailing lists, I don't always find out until someone complains. > > How can I add a variable to the config_parse.pl that will insert the domain > name into each list-name.config that it creates? BTW, it appears that all > the majordomo files in /usr/lib/majordomo are linked across virtual domains. > If I change one, they all change. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 09:31:15 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA26764; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C07417EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fASGwRx11528 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.119]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNISHC01.MMG; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:58:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3C0516C1.511F5AC5@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:54:25 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stewart Dean Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: It's time to document limitations/problems/strategies for large lists References: <3C04F74B.7BFE29A5@bard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I will admit that documentation has not really been an area I have had interest in, especially since the FAQ already recommends searching the majordomo-users archives before asking the question. As all our replies are archived, one problem is an easy to use search engine, and another is the discussion of hardware, bandwidth, and performance matrix when building a majordomo/list-server. Not that I would want to maintain the FAQ either, but it also seems that many of the same questions that do get asked here, should be added to the FAQ. Even if the FAQ says, "ask for help on the mailing list", until a good 'canned' answer can be provided. When lists do get this large, most of my experience has been with commercial entities. At this point, economics 101 takes over and tells me this becomes a real time and materials consulting project. Dan Liston Stewart Dean wrote: > > I'm not the one to do it, but it seems like it's time for the right > people to do this. This question comes up again and again and the wheel > gets reinvented and the same holes get fallen into. Kevin Healy's been > tasked with a 200, 000 list and apparently has already done a 100,000 > member list... > Huddle guys... > -- > Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources > Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 > sdean@bard.edu voice: 845-758-7475, fax: 845-758-7035 From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 11:16:11 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA28606; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A9B17EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id fASJ5d310558 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id fASJ5cXT008470 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:05:38 -0800 Message-ID: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EE006@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> From: "Mohler, Jeff" To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Wrapper for bulk-mailer Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:05:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I need to build a wrapper as I understand it for bulk-mailer. As this involves the aliases file..im very unsure on how to accomplish this. 3sracers-outgoing:"|/usr/local/bin/bulk_mailer -maxdomains 3sracers@speedtoys.com /usr/local/majordomo/lists/3sracers" Thats how I currently call it, any pointers would be appreciated..and of great help to tohers in the archives as well. Thanks! From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 12:01:24 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA29129; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wfubmc.edu (unknown [152.11.200.6]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6855817EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from wfubmc.edu ([152.11.251.222]) by mail.wfubmc.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3F6E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:54:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3C0540FE.FD117456@wfubmc.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:54:38 -0500 From: "Joel M. Fisher" Organization: Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: reply-to Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hey All, I'm trying unsuccessfully to force my reply-to header to a certain domain (i.e. list@testlistmgr.wfubmc.edu). Strange thing is... if I setup the reply-to line in list.config to 'reply_to = list@listmgr.wfubmc.edu' it works fine. However if I send the reply-to line to 'reply_to = list@testlistmgr.wfubmc.edu' the reply-to header actually gets set to list@wfubmc.edu. Solaris 8 Sendmail 8.10.2 Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Joel From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 12:17:31 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA29143; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mm02snlnto.sandia.gov (mm02snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.21]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 977A517ECC for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:54:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 132.175.109.1 by mm02snlnto.sandia.gov with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:54:23 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 95b8ca9b-fe4b-44f7-8977-a6cb2d3025ff Received: from ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov (es01snlnt.sandia.gov [134.253.130.4]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fASJshd1019929 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:54:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:54:43 -0700 Message-ID: <2E714B3E290FAD4AB8D63ABD2F33BC99012405C0@ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov> From: "Mathews, Robert" To: MAJORDOMO-USERS Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:54:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Filter-Version: 1.8 (sass165) X-WSS-ID: 101B9F65472899-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk All, I have been running a Majordomo system for about 5 months and am coming up with a reoccurring problem Sometimes, I have to rebuild a list due to garbage and other problems. The list will work great for about a week or so and then I will start getting emails sent from the list that the people are not in the list. Most recently I had to redo a list twice because of a user that used to be on the list, that was removed and verified to NOT be on the list anymore. But when anyone sent to the list they would get a mail bounce from the server saying that this user is unknown. (The user had left and his accout had been deleted). I can chase it back in the send mail logs to verify that the email is being generated from using the majordomo list. Where is the email address coming from??? Robert Mathews Robert P. Mathews, MCP+I, MCSE Infrastructure Computing Sandia Enterprise Electronic Messaging Org. 9329 505-284-4707 From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 13:46:19 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA00398; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E0517EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fASLDNx15919 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.55]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNJ4A903.BQB; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:13:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3C055282.3F25C823@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:09:22 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mohler Jeff" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer References: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EE006@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Sendmail security requires a link in your smrsh directory to any/all executables called by the RHS of aliases. If you are running RedHat, make sure /etc/smrsh/ contains a link to /usr/sbin/bulk_mailer. Then again, that also assumes majordomo was installed from the rpm file, and that you are running an smrsh dependent version of sendmail. I keep this right in my aliases file for quick reference. ##################################################################### # # Use of bulk_mailer with sendmail: # To have bulk_mailer distribute mail to a list, add the following lines # # owner-{FOO}: whoever-maintains-foo # {FOO}-outgoing: "|{BULK_MAILER} owner-{FOO}@{YOUR.DOMAIN} {ADDRESS_LIST}" # # where {FOO} is the name of the list, {YOUR.DOMAIN} is your # fully-qualified domain, {BULK_MAILER} is a full path name of the # bulk_mailer program, and {ADDRESS_LIST} is a full path name of the # file containing the list of addresses. # # test-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@DOMAIN.TLD /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test" # ########################################################################### Of course, additional arguments such as maxdomains are fine, this is just a bare minimum to make it work. Dan Liston "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > I need to build a wrapper as I understand it for bulk-mailer. > > As this involves the aliases file..im very unsure on how to accomplish this. > > 3sracers-outgoing:"|/usr/local/bin/bulk_mailer -maxdomains 3sracers@speedtoys.com /usr/local/majordomo/lists/3sracers" > > Thats how I currently call it, any pointers would be appreciated..and of great help to tohers in the archives as well. > > Thanks! From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 14:15:32 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA00155; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9551C17EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fASL14Y01027 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.55]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNJ3PS02.1NS; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:01:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3C054FA0.859F68E2@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:57:04 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David VanHorn Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Stuck. References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011127224752.00e24ab0@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128094427.02cd5360@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128111034.029c3260@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128115754.029bc270@mail.cedar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk It looks like the "keen awareness" thing has bitten you. Secondly, I do not trust interfaces that I did not write. Webmin, MajorCool, and windows all fit in this category. I can't tell you what to use, but I can tell you shell commands that work. If you can not guarantee an exact match by using webmin, please do not use it. Let's learn to crawl before we walk or run. See comments inserted inline... David VanHorn wrote: > > At 10:18 AM 11/28/01 -0600, Dan Liston wrote: > >Yes, but you must be keenly aware of what you are doing in this scenario. > >You could accidently undo what the rpm is trying to help you with. > > > >BTW, the rpm makes no use of /usr/local/majordomo*, so all you would have > >to do in this case is remove the majordomo user from /etc/passwd before > >installing the rpm. > > Ok, I installed the RPM, and made a majordomo.cf which I think is correct. > Then I used webmin to create a group, after a minor detour to delete the > sendmail aliases from the previous incarnation. You should NOT have to create a majordomo.cf. The rpm should have created one in /etc/majordomo.cf for you. The sendmail aliases should not need to be deleted either, but some did need to be modified from using the old majordomo instance to the new one. Any occurance of /usr/local/majordomo would need to be examined and where "wrapper" appears in the RHS, you would change /local/ to /lib/. Any occurance of :include: in the RHS, you could leave the same, but then you would have to modify majordomo.cf which defeats the purpose of using the rpm for your starting point. Instead, make changes from /usr/local/ to /var/lib/. Or to further our crawling status, let's ignore existing lists and their aliases and create a brand new "test" list. This list will not archive or digest, and majordomo will manager membership and access to the list. /etc/aliases test: "/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" test-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test test-approval: me test-request: me test-onwer: me owner-test: me Don't forget to execute `sendmail -bi` or `newaliases` after editing the /etc/aliases file. touch /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test chown 91:91 /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test or su majordomo touch /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test > > Then I sent a "subscribe avrchat" to majordomo, and got this back from the > system I think I can explain this too. > > The original message was received at Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:25:30 -0600 > from femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.85] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" > (reason: internal software error) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > /etc/smrsh/wrapper: error: Not running with proper UID and GID. > Make certain that wrapper is installed setuid, and if so, > recompile with POSIX flags. Make sure you have only one "majordomo:" line in your /etc/aliases file. Make sure /etc/smrsh/wrapper is a link to /usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper. Send a message to majordomo@yourdomain using a regular MUA (pine, netscape, whatever) with a message body of "config test test.admin". See what happens. Back to this later... > > The permissions in /usr/lib/majordomo look mostly 755 except for the .cf > file, which is 644 > in /usr/lib/majordomo/lists, I have > [root@mail lists]# ls -l > total 12 > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom root 0 Nov 28 10:23 avrchat > drwxrwxr-x 2 majordom root 4096 Nov 28 10:23 avrchat.archive > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 457 Nov 28 10:24 avrchat.config > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom root 27 Nov 28 10:23 avrchat.info The .config file here has the wrong ownerhips and size. Did you create this by hand? You should let majordomo create the default .config file the first time your list is discovered, then edit at the command line or via email commands to majordomo. Regardless, check the results of your message to the "test" list. If that worked, your installation is good. Now we can walk. As majordomo, rather than root, we can create your other lists the in the same configuration as "test". When we have validated each of them with config commands, we can use subscribe commands to add users. We are now walking and ready to run. If you want to add archive and digest capability to your lists, we need to add more to our existing /etc/aliases, and verify our directory structure for these aliases. Let's take a break here and see if we are crawling or walking first. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 15:01:10 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id OAA01814; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from planet.fef.com (unknown [166.90.172.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3B717EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alvin@localhost) by planet.fef.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29012; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:49:44 -0800 From: Alvin Oga Message-Id: <200111282249.OAA29012@planet.fef.com> Subject: Re: Majordomo on Virtual Domains To: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:49:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: alvin@planet.fef.com (Alvin Oga), majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3C0519DB.C1490992@netscape.com> from "Dan Liston" at Nov 28, 2001 11:07:39 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk hi jim sounds like your /etc/aliases or virtusertable file is misconfigured ?? changing one *.config will not affect any other of your domains you can also add info ( footers and headers ) into the list with the *.config for that list instead of the modifying generic scripts i only modified new-list for handling info@virtual.com one script....bunch-o-files directories for my mj stuff is at ... ../majordomo/list.virtual_1/test.* ../majordomo/list.virtual_2/test.* ../majordomo/list.virtual_3/test.* .... for each virtual domain ... i have about 4-6 virt domains all running with mj w/ sendmail.. no problem... c ya alvin http://www.Linux-Consulting.com/Majordomo # # Fix /etc/mail/virtusertable # # domain == foo.com, bar.net, etc.. # Info@domain info.domain majordomo@domain majordomo.domain ml@domain ml.domain # # Example /etc/aliases # -------------------- majordomo.domain: "|/home/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -C /home/majordomo/majordomo.domain.cf " # # # i use a modified new-list to handle different virtual domains # info.domain: "|/home/majordomo/wrapper new-list -C /home/majordomo/majordomo.domain.cf info Lists.domain/info.info", DomoMaster # # # the ( ml ) mailing list for domain # ml.domain: "|/home/majordomo/wrapper resend -C /home/majordomo/majordomo.domain.cf -l ml -r ml ml-outgoing.domain" ml-request.domain: "|/home/majordomo/wrapper request-answer -C /home/majordomo/majordomo.domain.cf ml" ml-outgoing.domain: :include:/home/majordomo/Lists.domain/ml, ml-archive.domain, ml-digest.domain, DomoMaster ml-digest.domain: "|/home/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -c /home/majordomo/majordomo.domain.cf -l ml-digest ml-digest-outgoing.domin" ml-digest-outgoing.domain: :include:/home/majordomo/Lists.domain/ml-digest ml-digest-request.domain: :"|/home/majordomo/wrapper request-answer -C /home/majordomo/majordomo.domain.cf ml-digest" ml-archive.domain: "|/home/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -C /home/majordomo/majordomo.domain.cf -f /home/majordomo/Archive.Domain/ml.archive/ml -m -a" > > Jim Hermann wrote: > > > > I am the hostmaster for a machine that I pay another company to run for me. > > The machine provides servers for various virtual domains. Each virtual > > domain has a seemingly complete set of directories and files under > > /home/virtual/domain-name. They initially install all software and provide > > limited support for some items, including Majordomo. > > > > The Majorodomo installation almost works. When it creates list-name.config > > files, there is no entry for resend_host. To get each list to function > > properly, I have to manually enter the resend_host name into each > > list-name.config. However, since each domain administrator can create new > > mailing lists, I don't always find out until someone complains. > > > > How can I add a variable to the config_parse.pl that will insert the domain > > name into each list-name.config that it creates? BTW, it appears that all > > the majordomo files in /usr/lib/majordomo are linked across virtual domains. > > If I change one, they all change. > From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 16:46:08 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA03291; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CC417E8E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id fAT0VV300845; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id fAT0VURe028020; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:31:29 -0800 Message-ID: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EE017@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> From: "Mohler, Jeff" To: "'dliston@netscape.com'" , "Mohler, Jeff" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: RE: Wrapper for bulk-mailer Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:31:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I already use bulk-mailer with great sucess. What I need..it to run it via a wrapper to solve an issue with large lists and a bug in Sendmail that is not fixed. -----Original Message----- From: dliston@netscape.com [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:09 PM To: Mohler Jeff Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer Sendmail security requires a link in your smrsh directory to any/all executables called by the RHS of aliases. If you are running RedHat, make sure /etc/smrsh/ contains a link to /usr/sbin/bulk_mailer. Then again, that also assumes majordomo was installed from the rpm file, and that you are running an smrsh dependent version of sendmail. I keep this right in my aliases file for quick reference. ##################################################################### # # Use of bulk_mailer with sendmail: # To have bulk_mailer distribute mail to a list, add the following lines # # owner-{FOO}: whoever-maintains-foo # {FOO}-outgoing: "|{BULK_MAILER} owner-{FOO}@{YOUR.DOMAIN} {ADDRESS_LIST}" # # where {FOO} is the name of the list, {YOUR.DOMAIN} is your # fully-qualified domain, {BULK_MAILER} is a full path name of the # bulk_mailer program, and {ADDRESS_LIST} is a full path name of the # file containing the list of addresses. # # test-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@DOMAIN.TLD /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test" # ########################################################################### Of course, additional arguments such as maxdomains are fine, this is just a bare minimum to make it work. Dan Liston "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > I need to build a wrapper as I understand it for bulk-mailer. > > As this involves the aliases file..im very unsure on how to accomplish this. > > 3sracers-outgoing:"|/usr/local/bin/bulk_mailer -maxdomains 3sracers@speedtoys.com /usr/local/majordomo/lists/3sracers" > > Thats how I currently call it, any pointers would be appreciated..and of great help to tohers in the archives as well. > > Thanks! From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 19:02:37 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA04701; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B039F17E8E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:43:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from dave.cedar.net ([24.4.165.200]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011129024338.HOKQ20888.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dave.cedar.net>; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:43:38 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011128212049.00cbf660@mail.cedar.net> X-Sender: dvanhorn@mail.cedar.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:45:37 -0500 To: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) From: David VanHorn Subject: Re: Stuck. Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3C054FA0.859F68E2@netscape.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011127224752.00e24ab0@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128094427.02cd5360@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128111034.029c3260@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128115754.029bc270@mail.cedar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 02:57 PM 11/28/01 -0600, Dan Liston wrote: >It looks like the "keen awareness" thing has bitten you. Secondly, I do >not trust interfaces that I did not write. Webmin, MajorCool, and windows >all fit in this category. I can't tell you what to use, but I can tell >you shell commands that work. If you can not guarantee an exact match by >using webmin, please do not use it. Let's learn to crawl before we walk >or run. I understand, but I was going on the theory that since it worked previously (RH6.1 and earlier version of majordomo) that it should work correctly now. That may be an invalid assumption. >You should NOT have to create a majordomo.cf. The rpm should have created >one in /etc/majordomo.cf for you. Ok, then this is also different from what I had in 6.1. The mj.cf was in the majordomo directory. This could explain some problems, because I have to tell webmin where the mj.cf file is. If it's using the wrong file... Using "find", I see /etc/majordomo.cf, and /etc/majordomo.cf.rpmorig, plus my archived old copy, and /usr/lib/majordomo/majordomo.cf (which I created) So, I'll go nuke those bogus copies, and keep the /etc/majordomo.cf Done so now /etc/majordomo.cf is the active config file. > The sendmail aliases should not need to >be deleted either, but some did need to be modified from using the old >majordomo instance to the new one. Ok, they're gone, but no great loss. >Any occurance of /usr/local/majordomo >would need to be examined and where "wrapper" appears in the RHS, you would >change /local/ to /lib/. At this point, you've lost me. What's an RHS? > Any occurance of :include: in the RHS, you could >leave the same, but then you would have to modify majordomo.cf which defeats >the purpose of using the rpm for your starting point. Instead, make changes >from /usr/local/ to /var/lib/. Or to further our crawling status, let's >ignore existing lists and their aliases and create a brand new "test" list. >This list will not archive or digest, and majordomo will manager membership >and access to the list. Good idea, but I need clarification on the above, to proceed, I think. -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org Got a need to read Bar codes? http://www.barcodechip.com Bi-directional read of UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-8, EAN-13, JAN, and Bookland, with two or five digit supplemental codes, in an 8 pin chip, with NO external parts. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 20:47:39 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA05869; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CC717EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:27:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from dave.cedar.net ([24.4.165.200]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011129042702.IVJW16041.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dave.cedar.net>; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:27:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011128232704.01ed3310@mail.cedar.net> X-Sender: dvanhorn@mail.cedar.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:29:02 -0500 To: Daniel Liston From: David VanHorn Subject: Re: Stuck. Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <3C05B6BD.9E3CDEAA@netscape.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011127224752.00e24ab0@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128094427.02cd5360@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128111034.029c3260@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128115754.029bc270@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128212049.00cbf660@mail.cedar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 10:17 PM 11/28/01 -0600, Daniel Liston wrote: > > >Any occurance of /usr/local/majordomo > > >would need to be examined and where "wrapper" appears in the RHS, you > would > > >change /local/ to /lib/. > > > > At this point, you've lost me. What's an RHS? > >RHS is Right Hand Side and LHS is Left Hand Side. TCWAK! I was thinking Red Hat (something..) >I have a perl script I will send you in a follow up message that will create >aliases, configs, directories, (and virtusertable entries if necessary) for >you. If nothing else, it will show you what the entries and permissions >should look like when you (or webmin) create lists. > >Dan Liston Thanks for your patience. I'm really surprised at the level of difficulty here, since when I installed this under RH6.1 it was something like a 5 minute job. Obviously things have changed. -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org Got a need to read Bar codes? http://www.barcodechip.com Bi-directional read of UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-8, EAN-13, JAN, and Bookland, with two or five digit supplemental codes, in an 8 pin chip, with NO external parts. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 21:02:30 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA06169; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA1E17EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAT4q7x23037 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.42]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNJPIU02.MTB; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:52:06 -0800 Message-ID: <3C05BE06.31F3DC5A@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:48:06 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Joel M. Fisher" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: reply-to References: <3C0540FE.FD117456@wfubmc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is DNS, /etc/hosts, nsswitch.conf and sendmail configured to recognize this domain? Is the IP address pointing to the host you expect it at? Is sendmail masquerading? Dan Liston > I'm trying unsuccessfully to force my reply-to header to a certain domain (i.e. > list@testlistmgr.wfubmc.edu). Strange thing is... if I setup the reply-to line > in list.config to 'reply_to = list@listmgr.wfubmc.edu' it works fine. However > if I send the reply-to line to 'reply_to = list@testlistmgr.wfubmc.edu' the > reply-to header actually gets set to list@wfubmc.edu. From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 21:17:32 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA05801; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E02517EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAT4KxY19440 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.42]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNJO3001.2TC; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:21:00 -0800 Message-ID: <3C05B6BD.9E3CDEAA@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:17:01 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David VanHorn Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Stuck. References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011127224752.00e24ab0@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128094427.02cd5360@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128111034.029c3260@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128115754.029bc270@mail.cedar.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011128212049.00cbf660@mail.cedar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > >Any occurance of /usr/local/majordomo > >would need to be examined and where "wrapper" appears in the RHS, you would > >change /local/ to /lib/. > > At this point, you've lost me. What's an RHS? RHS is Right Hand Side and LHS is Left Hand Side. > > > Any occurance of :include: in the RHS, you could > >leave the same, but then you would have to modify majordomo.cf which defeats > >the purpose of using the rpm for your starting point. Instead, make changes > >from /usr/local/ to /var/lib/. Or to further our crawling status, let's > >ignore existing lists and their aliases and create a brand new "test" list. > >This list will not archive or digest, and majordomo will manager membership > >and access to the list. > > Good idea, but I need clarification on the above, to proceed, I think. I have a perl script I will send you in a follow up message that will create aliases, configs, directories, (and virtusertable entries if necessary) for you. If nothing else, it will show you what the entries and permissions should look like when you (or webmin) create lists. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 21:32:37 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA06140; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:48:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826A117EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAT4mNx21603 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.42]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNJPCL00.NU8; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:48:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3C05BD26.71F1EC76@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:44:22 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mathews Robert" Cc: MAJORDOMO-USERS Subject: Re: References: <2E714B3E290FAD4AB8D63ABD2F33BC99012405C0@ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is someone running backups and restores against the majordomo directory? Was the user deleted via an email unzubscribe command, or the address edited out of the listname file directly from the shell? Is it possible that the user was zubscribed with another address that was forwarding to the address that no longer exists? Does a grep in the .../lists directory for the user in question return anything? `cd $listdir; grep $address *` Dan Liston "Mathews, Robert" wrote: > > All, > > I have been running a Majordomo system for about 5 months and am coming > up with a reoccurring problem > Sometimes, I have to rebuild a list due to garbage and other problems. The > list will work great for about > a week or so and then I will start getting emails sent from the list that > the people are not in the list. > > Most recently I had to redo a list twice because of a user that used to > be on the list, that was removed and > verified to NOT be on the list anymore. But when anyone sent to the list > they would get a mail bounce from the server > saying that this user is unknown. (The user had left and his accout had been > deleted). I can chase it back in the send mail logs to verify that the email > is being generated from using the majordomo list. Where is the email address > coming from??? From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 21:47:41 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA05836; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7CF17E8E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAT4OZx11499 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.42]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNJO8X01.1UU; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:24:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3C05B792.9C0CD906@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:20:34 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mohler Jeff" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer References: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EE017@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk OK, I will play stupid. Why do you need a wrapper? Who/what told you that it is needed? And are you POSITIVE creating a link to bulk_mailer in the smrsh directory is not enough to solve your problem? Smrsh is discussed in the FAQ. Dan Liston "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > I already use bulk-mailer with great sucess. What I need..it to run it via a wrapper to solve an issue with large lists and a bug in Sendmail that is not fixed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dliston@netscape.com [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:09 PM > To: Mohler Jeff > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer > > Sendmail security requires a link in your smrsh directory to any/all executables > called by the RHS of aliases. If you are running RedHat, make sure /etc/smrsh/ > contains a link to /usr/sbin/bulk_mailer. Then again, that also assumes majordomo > was installed from the rpm file, and that you are running an smrsh dependent > version of sendmail. > > I keep this right in my aliases file for quick reference. > > ##################################################################### > # > # Use of bulk_mailer with sendmail: > # To have bulk_mailer distribute mail to a list, add the following lines > # > # owner-{FOO}: whoever-maintains-foo > # {FOO}-outgoing: "|{BULK_MAILER} owner-{FOO}@{YOUR.DOMAIN} {ADDRESS_LIST}" > # > # where {FOO} is the name of the list, {YOUR.DOMAIN} is your > # fully-qualified domain, {BULK_MAILER} is a full path name of the > # bulk_mailer program, and {ADDRESS_LIST} is a full path name of the > # file containing the list of addresses. > # > # test-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@DOMAIN.TLD /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test" > # > ########################################################################### > Of course, additional arguments such as maxdomains are fine, this is just > a bare minimum to make it work. > > Dan Liston > > "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > > > I need to build a wrapper as I understand it for bulk-mailer. > > > > As this involves the aliases file..im very unsure on how to accomplish this. > > > > 3sracers-outgoing:"|/usr/local/bin/bulk_mailer -maxdomains 3sracers@speedtoys.com /usr/local/majordomo/lists/3sracers" > > > > Thats how I currently call it, any pointers would be appreciated..and of great help to tohers in the archives as well. > > > > Thanks! From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 22:02:34 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA05884; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:28:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C3017EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id fAT4S0307335; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id fAT4Rx53003358; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:27:59 -0800 Message-ID: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EE01D@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> From: "Mohler, Jeff" To: "'Daniel Liston'" , "Mohler, Jeff" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: RE: Wrapper for bulk-mailer Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:27:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/smenhanced.html seems to clearly outline my specific problem. My output in the logs is such: --- Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25190]: fAKNYgK25188: timeout waiting for in put from local during Draining Input Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25365]: fAKNZ3B25365: SYSERR: putoutmsg (loc alhost): error on output channel sending "250 2.1.5 ... Recip ient ok (will queue)": Broken pipe Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25365]: fAKNZ3B25365: lost input channel fro m daemon@localhost to stdin after rcpt Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25365]: fAKNZ3B25365: from=, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@local host Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25432]: fAKNb3S25432: SYSERR: putoutmsg (loc alhost): error on output channel sending "220 speedracer.speedtoys.com ESMTP Sen dmail 8.11.3/8.11.1; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:37:03 -0800 (PST)": Broken pipe Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25432]: NOQUEUE: daemon@localhost did not is sue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to stdin ...etc..etc..etc..xhundreds --- -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:21 PM To: Mohler Jeff Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer OK, I will play stupid. Why do you need a wrapper? Who/what told you that it is needed? And are you POSITIVE creating a link to bulk_mailer in the smrsh directory is not enough to solve your problem? Smrsh is discussed in the FAQ. Dan Liston "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > I already use bulk-mailer with great sucess. What I need..it to run it via a wrapper to solve an issue with large lists and a bug in Sendmail that is not fixed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dliston@netscape.com [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:09 PM > To: Mohler Jeff > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer > > Sendmail security requires a link in your smrsh directory to any/all executables > called by the RHS of aliases. If you are running RedHat, make sure /etc/smrsh/ > contains a link to /usr/sbin/bulk_mailer. Then again, that also assumes majordomo > was installed from the rpm file, and that you are running an smrsh dependent > version of sendmail. > > I keep this right in my aliases file for quick reference. > > ##################################################################### > # > # Use of bulk_mailer with sendmail: > # To have bulk_mailer distribute mail to a list, add the following lines > # > # owner-{FOO}: whoever-maintains-foo > # {FOO}-outgoing: "|{BULK_MAILER} owner-{FOO}@{YOUR.DOMAIN} {ADDRESS_LIST}" > # > # where {FOO} is the name of the list, {YOUR.DOMAIN} is your > # fully-qualified domain, {BULK_MAILER} is a full path name of the > # bulk_mailer program, and {ADDRESS_LIST} is a full path name of the > # file containing the list of addresses. > # > # test-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@DOMAIN.TLD /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test" > # > ########################################################################### > Of course, additional arguments such as maxdomains are fine, this is just > a bare minimum to make it work. > > Dan Liston > > "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > > > I need to build a wrapper as I understand it for bulk-mailer. > > > > As this involves the aliases file..im very unsure on how to accomplish this. > > > > 3sracers-outgoing:"|/usr/local/bin/bulk_mailer -maxdomains 3sracers@speedtoys.com /usr/local/majordomo/lists/3sracers" > > > > Thats how I currently call it, any pointers would be appreciated..and of great help to tohers in the archives as well. > > > > Thanks! From majordomo-users-owner Wed Nov 28 23:07:38 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id WAA07481; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.bard.net (unknown [208.186.78.96]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04FC817EAF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadowdale.bard.net (nightmare@[24.159.99.143]) by home.bard.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAT6PfV30435 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:25:41 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011129012346.01d73ad8@bard.net> X-Sender: webmaster@bard.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:25:49 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Michael Donohue Subject: Need some help with permissions In-Reply-To: <3C05BE06.31F3DC5A@netscape.com> References: <3C0540FE.FD117456@wfubmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I keep getting "unknown mailer error 9" I know this is a permissions problem, but I can't for the life of me find what I have wrong. Can anyone give me a list of the file/dir permissions for a new install? I've just moved from one server to another and I've obviously made a mistake somewhere. Michael K Donohue Webmaster/Sys Admin Bardic Solutions http://www.bard.net webmaster@bard.net From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 02:28:05 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA11239; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A772417E8E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fATA3sY06887 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.42]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNK3YJ02.UU9; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:03:55 -0800 Message-ID: <3C06071C.58DD6679@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:59:56 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Donohue Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Need some help with permissions References: <3C0540FE.FD117456@wfubmc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011129012346.01d73ad8@bard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Do you have a link to wrapper in your smrsh directory? Did you preserve the old uid:gid as part of the move? Dan Liston Michael Donohue wrote: > > I keep getting "unknown mailer error 9" > > I know this is a permissions problem, but I can't for the life of me find > what I have wrong. > > Can anyone give me a list of the file/dir permissions for a new install? > > I've just moved from one server to another and I've obviously made a > mistake somewhere. > > Michael K Donohue > Webmaster/Sys Admin > Bardic Solutions > http://www.bard.net > webmaster@bard.net From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 02:36:36 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA11417; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.ordix.de (gw.ordix.de [212.218.179.18]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB1D17E8E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ordix.de (serena.ordix.de [192.168.7.81]) by gw.ordix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06100 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:24:45 +0100 Message-ID: <3C060CEB.F9873715@ordix.de> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:24:43 +0100 From: "Lars H. Korte" Reply-To: lk@ordix.de Organization: ORDIX AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323k (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Where is the .config file generated Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, Can someone tell me where majordomo generates the *.config-file for a list. I would like to make global changes that take effect on all new lists. Greets Lars From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 02:46:21 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id BAA11043; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D75117E8E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAT9wpx07772 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.42]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNK3Q202.XVS; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:58:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3C0605EB.C7B3CD79@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:54:51 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mohler Jeff" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer References: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EE01D@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk After looking at the URL, I see that this is identified as a sendmail 8.10 and 8.11 bug. Bulk_mailer is also specifically named as an application that will cause this behavior. Majordomo, without bulk_mailer does not appear to have the same problem. Sendmail may "recommend" a wrapper, but do they offer one? Do they offer a work-around? This is not a majordomo bug. Considering that version 8.9 of sendmail is not mentioned as having this issue, one work-around may be to downgrade your sendmail. Another might be to learn to tune the sendmail queue(s) to achieve the same performance that bulk_mailer was created for in the days when sendmail was considered slow. Exim is supposed to be a drop-in replacement for sendmail, which was once considered to outperform sendmail. I can't say whether or not this is still true, but the bottom line is, at least in my opinion, you are looking in the wrong place for a solution to a problem with the combination of bulk_mailer and sendmail. Keep in mind, your reason for using bulk_mailer in the first place, to aide sendmail's performance. Considering bulk_mailer appears to be more of a hinderance at this point, it may be time to consider alternatives. If not, consider submitting your request to the author of bulk_mailer. Dan Liston "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/smenhanced.html seems to clearly outline my specific problem. > > My output in the logs is such: > --- > > > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25190]: fAKNYgK25188: timeout waiting for in > put from local during Draining Input > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25365]: fAKNZ3B25365: SYSERR: putoutmsg (loc > alhost): error on output channel sending "250 2.1.5 ... Recip > ient ok (will queue)": Broken pipe > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25365]: fAKNZ3B25365: lost input channel fro > m daemon@localhost to stdin after rcpt > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25365]: fAKNZ3B25365: from= events@speedtoys.com>, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@local > host > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25432]: fAKNb3S25432: SYSERR: putoutmsg (loc > alhost): error on output channel sending "220 speedracer.speedtoys.com ESMTP Sen > dmail 8.11.3/8.11.1; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:37:03 -0800 (PST)": Broken pipe > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25432]: NOQUEUE: daemon@localhost did not is > sue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to stdin > ...etc..etc..etc..xhundreds > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:21 PM > To: Mohler Jeff > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer > > OK, I will play stupid. Why do you need a wrapper? Who/what told you that it > is needed? And are you POSITIVE creating a link to bulk_mailer in the smrsh > directory is not enough to solve your problem? Smrsh is discussed in the FAQ. > > Dan Liston > > "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > > > I already use bulk-mailer with great sucess. What I need..it to run it via a wrapper to solve an issue with large lists and a bug in Sendmail that is not fixed. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dliston@netscape.com [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:09 PM > > To: Mohler Jeff > > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > > Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer > > > > Sendmail security requires a link in your smrsh directory to any/all executables > > called by the RHS of aliases. If you are running RedHat, make sure /etc/smrsh/ > > contains a link to /usr/sbin/bulk_mailer. Then again, that also assumes majordomo > > was installed from the rpm file, and that you are running an smrsh dependent > > version of sendmail. > > > > I keep this right in my aliases file for quick reference. > > > > ##################################################################### > > # > > # Use of bulk_mailer with sendmail: > > # To have bulk_mailer distribute mail to a list, add the following lines > > # > > # owner-{FOO}: whoever-maintains-foo > > # {FOO}-outgoing: "|{BULK_MAILER} owner-{FOO}@{YOUR.DOMAIN} {ADDRESS_LIST}" > > # > > # where {FOO} is the name of the list, {YOUR.DOMAIN} is your > > # fully-qualified domain, {BULK_MAILER} is a full path name of the > > # bulk_mailer program, and {ADDRESS_LIST} is a full path name of the > > # file containing the list of addresses. > > # > > # test-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@DOMAIN.TLD /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test" > > # > > ########################################################################### > > Of course, additional arguments such as maxdomains are fine, this is just > > a bare minimum to make it work. > > > > Dan Liston > > > > "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > > > > > I need to build a wrapper as I understand it for bulk-mailer. > > > > > > As this involves the aliases file..im very unsure on how to accomplish this. > > > > > > 3sracers-outgoing:"|/usr/local/bin/bulk_mailer -maxdomains 3sracers@speedtoys.com /usr/local/majordomo/lists/3sracers" > > > > > > Thats how I currently call it, any pointers would be appreciated..and of great help to tohers in the archives as well. > > > > > > Thanks! From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 03:06:22 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA11285; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:07:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C63F17E8E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id fATA6p313825; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id fATA6lkk023369; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:06:47 -0800 Message-ID: <02740A3D0809D5118C7C00034707E9F3013EE024@ussvlexc10.corp.netapp.com> From: "Mohler, Jeff" To: "'Daniel Liston'" , "Mohler, Jeff" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: RE: Wrapper for bulk-mailer Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:06:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I never declared it a MJ bug. I simply asked if anyone had any ideas on how to do what I belived my next step to be. This is a Majordomo list, and I would have guessed that it was a logical place to look for assistance. If you dont know..then you dont know. Yes, domo without bulk_mailer probly doesnt have the problem, but bulk_mailer does solve a unique problem..just with one of my many lists it is failing for some reason. And this was just part of my best-guess step to seeing if I could solve it before forklifting in another solution entirely. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:55 AM To: Mohler Jeff Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer After looking at the URL, I see that this is identified as a sendmail 8.10 and 8.11 bug. Bulk_mailer is also specifically named as an application that will cause this behavior. Majordomo, without bulk_mailer does not appear to have the same problem. Sendmail may "recommend" a wrapper, but do they offer one? Do they offer a work-around? This is not a majordomo bug. Considering that version 8.9 of sendmail is not mentioned as having this issue, one work-around may be to downgrade your sendmail. Another might be to learn to tune the sendmail queue(s) to achieve the same performance that bulk_mailer was created for in the days when sendmail was considered slow. Exim is supposed to be a drop-in replacement for sendmail, which was once considered to outperform sendmail. I can't say whether or not this is still true, but the bottom line is, at least in my opinion, you are looking in the wrong place for a solution to a problem with the combination of bulk_mailer and sendmail. Keep in mind, your reason for using bulk_mailer in the first place, to aide sendmail's performance. Considering bulk_mailer appears to be more of a hinderance at this point, it may be time to consider alternatives. If not, consider submitting your request to the author of bulk_mailer. Dan Liston "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/smenhanced.html seems to clearly outline my specific problem. > > My output in the logs is such: > --- > > > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25190]: fAKNYgK25188: timeout waiting for in > put from local during Draining Input > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25365]: fAKNZ3B25365: SYSERR: putoutmsg (loc > alhost): error on output channel sending "250 2.1.5 ... Recip > ient ok (will queue)": Broken pipe > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25365]: fAKNZ3B25365: lost input channel fro > m daemon@localhost to stdin after rcpt > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25365]: fAKNZ3B25365: from= events@speedtoys.com>, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, relay=daemon@local > host > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25432]: fAKNb3S25432: SYSERR: putoutmsg (loc > alhost): error on output channel sending "220 speedracer.speedtoys.com ESMTP Sen > dmail 8.11.3/8.11.1; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:37:03 -0800 (PST)": Broken pipe > Nov 20 15:37:03 speedracer sendmail[25432]: NOQUEUE: daemon@localhost did not is > sue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to stdin > ...etc..etc..etc..xhundreds > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:21 PM > To: Mohler Jeff > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer > > OK, I will play stupid. Why do you need a wrapper? Who/what told you that it > is needed? And are you POSITIVE creating a link to bulk_mailer in the smrsh > directory is not enough to solve your problem? Smrsh is discussed in the FAQ. > > Dan Liston > > "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > > > I already use bulk-mailer with great sucess. What I need..it to run it via a wrapper to solve an issue with large lists and a bug in Sendmail that is not fixed. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dliston@netscape.com [mailto:dliston@netscape.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:09 PM > > To: Mohler Jeff > > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > > Subject: Re: Wrapper for bulk-mailer > > > > Sendmail security requires a link in your smrsh directory to any/all executables > > called by the RHS of aliases. If you are running RedHat, make sure /etc/smrsh/ > > contains a link to /usr/sbin/bulk_mailer. Then again, that also assumes majordomo > > was installed from the rpm file, and that you are running an smrsh dependent > > version of sendmail. > > > > I keep this right in my aliases file for quick reference. > > > > ##################################################################### > > # > > # Use of bulk_mailer with sendmail: > > # To have bulk_mailer distribute mail to a list, add the following lines > > # > > # owner-{FOO}: whoever-maintains-foo > > # {FOO}-outgoing: "|{BULK_MAILER} owner-{FOO}@{YOUR.DOMAIN} {ADDRESS_LIST}" > > # > > # where {FOO} is the name of the list, {YOUR.DOMAIN} is your > > # fully-qualified domain, {BULK_MAILER} is a full path name of the > > # bulk_mailer program, and {ADDRESS_LIST} is a full path name of the > > # file containing the list of addresses. > > # > > # test-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@DOMAIN.TLD /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test" > > # > > ########################################################################### > > Of course, additional arguments such as maxdomains are fine, this is just > > a bare minimum to make it work. > > > > Dan Liston > > > > "Mohler, Jeff" wrote: > > > > > > I need to build a wrapper as I understand it for bulk-mailer. > > > > > > As this involves the aliases file..im very unsure on how to accomplish this. > > > > > > 3sracers-outgoing:"|/usr/local/bin/bulk_mailer -maxdomains 3sracers@speedtoys.com /usr/local/majordomo/lists/3sracers" > > > > > > Thats how I currently call it, any pointers would be appreciated..and of great help to tohers in the archives as well. > > > > > > Thanks! From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 06:17:44 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id FAA15630; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBD917EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fATE1QK04607 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:01:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:01:26 -0500 (EST) From: Ish Rattan To: Subject: Re: Stuck. In-Reply-To: <3C05B6BD.9E3CDEAA@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Daniel Liston wrote: > I have a perl script I will send you in a follow up message that will create > aliases, configs, directories, (and virtusertable entries if necessary) for > you. If nothing else, it will show you what the entries and permissions Why not post it here too? -ishwar From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 06:46:22 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA15933; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.london-2.starlabs.net (mail.london-2.starlabs.net [212.125.75.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CCDC817EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:28:17 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 30340 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 14:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.rentokil.com) (213.2.60.82) by server-33.tower-1.london-2.starlabs.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 14:27:11 -0000 Received: from techdevmail.rentokil.com (102.15.83.110) by mail.rentokil.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; 29 Nov 2001 14:21:48 +0000 Received: from LAE083PC66 (unknown [102.15.83.66]) by techdevmail.rentokil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A224E97 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:27:47 +0000 (GMT) From: djohnston@rentokil.com To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:29:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: newbie question, throttling Message-ID: <3C06464B.17279.1388D84@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi majordomo experts and everyone else :) Sorry if this is an over-asked or pointless question: I'm evaluating majordomo at work, on our new Postfix mail server running under Redhat 7.1. I've installed it, and am quite happy that everything seems to be working the way it should do. Part of my evaluation will be considering if we could use majordomo for mailouts to internal lists of, say, 1000 employees (branch managers etc). I'd like to know whether anyone has any thoughts towards throttling majordomo so it only sends out 100 mails one day then 100 the next and so on... I can think of ways to do this myself using cron jobs and breaking the lists down into smaller lists perhaps. But is there any add ons or 'plugins' already out there? Obviously; such an add-on might allow people to abuse majordomo for sending unsolicitated 'spam' mail; so I could quite understand if there were deliberately no attempts to develop anything like that. -- Daniel Johnston Technical Developer Corporate IT - Rentokil Initial plc Tel: +44 (0) 1342 327171 ext 248 _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by MessageLabs on behalf of Rentokil Initial plc From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 07:06:33 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA16323; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:55:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B769D17EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fATEswx15836 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.19]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNKHFL00.FUY; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:54:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3C064B53.D5015530@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:50:59 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lk@ordix.de Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Where is the .config file generated References: <3C060CEB.F9873715@ordix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is really simple. It puts the listname.config file in the same directory as listname. This is defined as $listdir = ... in the majordomo.cf file. The default template for *.config files is part of the config_parse.pl script. Dan Liston "Lars H. Korte" wrote: > > Hello, > > Can someone tell me where majordomo generates the *.config-file for a > list. > > I would like to make global changes that take effect on all new lists. > > Greets > Lars From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 07:52:38 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA16853; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404C917EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:38:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty-motorsports.com ([192.94.170.8] helo=suespammers.org ident=root) by krusty-motorsports.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169TGA-0001eS-00 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:37:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3C0663D4.B9B53F30@suespammers.org> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:35:32 -0500 From: rwelty@suespammers.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: It's time to document limitations/problems/strategies for large lists References: <3C04F74B.7BFE29A5@bard.edu> <3C051C83.837E4994@suespammers.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk rwelty@suespammers.org wrote: > > Stewart Dean wrote: > > > > I'm not the one to do it, but it seems like it's time for the right > > people to do this. This question comes up again and again and the wheel > > gets reinvented and the same holes get fallen into. Kevin Healy's been > > tasked with a 200, 000 list and apparently has already done a 100,000 > > member list... > > Huddle guys... > > perhaps we need to set up a parallel mailing list, say large-lists > > i can put such a list up on my server (digest.net), it'd be a good > chance to start experimenting with my majordomo2 installation (which as > of yet isn't actually running any lists.) the deafening silence suggests no one is interested. richard From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 08:47:37 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA17896; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from shipyard.proteome.com (ns1.proteome.com [209.192.182.163]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D05017EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from proteus.proteome.com (mailhost.proteome.com [209.192.182.162]) by shipyard.proteome.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fATGaRw23830; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from whaler.proteome.com (whaler.proteome.com [10.203.2.11]) by proteus.proteome.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fATGUuD15177; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kylet@localhost) by whaler.proteome.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATGUuk26265; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:30:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Kyle Tucker" Message-Id: <1011129113056.ZM26263@whaler.proteome.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:30:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: Daniel Liston "Re: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator" (Nov 27, 9:29pm) References: <1011127115518.ZM24632@whaler.proteome.com> <3C0459FF.B98C64F1@netscape.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Nov 27, 9:29pm, Daniel Liston wrote: > Subject: Re: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator > I think you have answered your own question. Unix tools work, windows > tools do not. It is still the same message on the server either way, > which means it is the mail user agent that is munging the message from > one into two. Actually, even with two messages, the first (blank) > message can be deleted. You are only interested in the real message > with real headers for approval. The blank message only has headers > from majordomo any way. I have tried piping just the original message to the approve script, but it fails with the following error indicating it requires the headers from the BOUNCE message. # /usr/local/majordomo/bin/approve < /tools/tmp/approve unknown request type 'test' in file ''; skipping at /usr/local/majordomo/bin/approve line 134, chunk 13. > Kyle Tucker wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I can't believe I'm the first to hit this problem but it > > wasn't in the FAQ. For a moderated list, resend appends the original > > message onto a new BOUNCE message to be sent to the list owner. It > > does not however indent the original "From_" header so when the owner > > gets the bounce (via IMAP), it's split up as two messages due to the > > From_ seperator, which is how they should behave. While, mailx, elm > > and Z-Mail all handle it okay on my Solaris box (presumably owing to > > using Content-Length) all the Windows progs; Eudora, Netscape and > > Outlook; split it. If I modify the mailbox to use >From on the original > > message, all is fine and "approve" script filters this out properly. > > How should I handle this and why am I even having this issue? Here's > > a bounce message from resend in case it's not doing as it should. I > > put the >'s in. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > From owner-answers@foo.bar Mon Nov 26 10:30:27 2001 > > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > > by proteus.foo.bar (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQFUR006070; > > Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:27 -0500 (EST) > > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:27 -0500 (EST) > > From: owner-answers@foo.bar > > Message-Id: <200111261530.fAQFUR006070@proteus.foo.bar> > > X-Authentication-Warning: proteus.foo.bar: majordom set sender to > > owner-answers@foo.bar using -f > > To: answers-approval@foo.bar > > Subject: BOUNCE answers@foo.bar: Approval required: > > Content-Length: 585 > > Status: OR > > > > > From kylet@foo.bar Mon Nov 26 10:30:26 2001 > > Received: from curly.foo.bar (curly.foo.bar [10.203.10.19]) > > by proteus.foo.bar (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAQFUQD06066 > > for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:26 -0500 (EST) > > Received: (from nobody@localhost) > > by curly.foo.bar (8.11.1/8.10.1) id fAQFUPc21955; > > Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) > > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) > > Message-Id: <200111261530.fAQFUPc21955@curly.foo.bar> > > From: Anonymous Poster > > To: answers@bev.foo.bar > > Subject: Test > > > > jfdkjfdkfdjkfdfd > > > > -- > > - Kyle > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Kyle Tucker - Manager of IT Tel: (978) 816-0229 > > Incyte Genomics - Proteome Division Fax: (978) 816-0286 > > 100 Cummings Center, Suite 435M Email - kylet@incyte.com > > Beverly, MA 01915 Web - http://www.incyte.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- End of excerpt from Daniel Liston -- - Kyle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kyle Tucker - Manager of IT Tel: (978) 816-0229 Incyte Genomics - Proteome Division Fax: (978) 816-0286 100 Cummings Center, Suite 435M Email - kylet@incyte.com Beverly, MA 01915 Web - http://www.incyte.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 11:07:16 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA19807; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:48:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from miles.dynamicdiagrams.com (cx760946-a.sking1.ri.home.com [24.2.181.101]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BD117EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:48:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jh@localhost) by miles.dynamicdiagrams.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fATIkTM01923; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:46:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200111291846.fATIkTM01923@miles.dynamicdiagrams.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:46:29 +0000 (GMT) To: rwelty@suespammers.org Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Joe Hartley Subject: Re: It's time to document limitations/problems/strategies for large lists In-Reply-To: <3C0663D4.B9B53F30@suespammers.org> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.3-990123-linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk rwelty@suespammers.org wrote: > > perhaps we need to set up a parallel mailing list, say large-lists > > > the deafening silence suggests no one is interested. Having run mailing lists of over 20K users with little or no problems using majordomo and bulk_mailer, I just don't see the need for this, but I could, of course, be wrong. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - Senior Unix Admin - Dynamic Diagrams/ingenta 12 Bassett St., Providence, RI 02903 - vox 401.331-2014 x120 Joe.Hartley@ingenta.com - cell 401.338.9214 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 11:35:32 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA20291; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCE717EB5 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty-motorsports.com ([192.94.170.8] helo=suespammers.org ident=root) by krusty-motorsports.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169WnI-0005LV-00 for majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3C0698E3.2B940132@suespammers.org> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:21:55 -0500 From: rwelty@suespammers.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: It's time to document limitations/problems/strategies for large lists References: <200111291846.fATIkTM01923@miles.dynamicdiagrams.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Joe Hartley wrote: > > rwelty@suespammers.org wrote: > > > perhaps we need to set up a parallel mailing list, say large-lists > > > > > the deafening silence suggests no one is interested. > > Having run mailing lists of over 20K users with little or no problems > using majordomo and bulk_mailer, I just don't see the need for this, > but I could, of course, be wrong. i'm not so sure we should be considering 20,000k users to be a "large" list at this point in time, and moreover, there are reasons why bulk_mailer might be a bad idea in some list environments. there are lots of issues that could reasonably be discussed on such a list. the original posting referenced a requirement for a 200,000 member list, but didn't discuss the size of the postings, their frequency, the distribution of email addresses to be delivered to, and any requirements for timely delivery, all things that could impact Very Large Lists and their architecture. richard From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 11:52:09 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA20260; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B29E17EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fATJILx15231 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.218]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNKTMI03.EZM; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:18:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3C06890D.E2ECDDD9@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:14:21 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kyle Tucker Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator References: <1011127115518.ZM24632@whaler.proteome.com> <3C0459FF.B98C64F1@netscape.com> <1011129113056.ZM26263@whaler.proteome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Time for an honesty check. I have to admit, in all the years I have been using majordomo, I have never used the approve script. I have always done approvals via email commands, and then, primarily from the Netscape mail client (linux and windows). I should have made it more clear that I was referring to doing the approval this way when I replied. Dan Liston Kyle Tucker wrote: > > On Nov 27, 9:29pm, Daniel Liston wrote: > > Subject: Re: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator > > I think you have answered your own question. Unix tools work, windows > > tools do not. It is still the same message on the server either way, > > which means it is the mail user agent that is munging the message from > > one into two. Actually, even with two messages, the first (blank) > > message can be deleted. You are only interested in the real message > > with real headers for approval. The blank message only has headers > > from majordomo any way. > > I have tried piping just the original message to the approve > script, but it fails with the following error indicating it > requires the headers from the BOUNCE message. > > # /usr/local/majordomo/bin/approve < /tools/tmp/approve > unknown request type 'test' in file ''; skipping at > /usr/local/majordomo/bin/approve line 134, chunk 13. > > > Kyle Tucker wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > I can't believe I'm the first to hit this problem but it > > > wasn't in the FAQ. For a moderated list, resend appends the original > > > message onto a new BOUNCE message to be sent to the list owner. It > > > does not however indent the original "From_" header so when the owner > > > gets the bounce (via IMAP), it's split up as two messages due to the > > > From_ seperator, which is how they should behave. While, mailx, elm > > > and Z-Mail all handle it okay on my Solaris box (presumably owing to > > > using Content-Length) all the Windows progs; Eudora, Netscape and > > > Outlook; split it. If I modify the mailbox to use >From on the original > > > message, all is fine and "approve" script filters this out properly. > > > How should I handle this and why am I even having this issue? Here's > > > a bounce message from resend in case it's not doing as it should. I > > > put the >'s in. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > From owner-answers@foo.bar Mon Nov 26 10:30:27 2001 > > > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > > > by proteus.foo.bar (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQFUR006070; > > > Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:27 -0500 (EST) > > > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:27 -0500 (EST) > > > From: owner-answers@foo.bar > > > Message-Id: <200111261530.fAQFUR006070@proteus.foo.bar> > > > X-Authentication-Warning: proteus.foo.bar: majordom set sender to > > > owner-answers@foo.bar using -f > > > To: answers-approval@foo.bar > > > Subject: BOUNCE answers@foo.bar: Approval required: > > > Content-Length: 585 > > > Status: OR > > > > > > > From kylet@foo.bar Mon Nov 26 10:30:26 2001 > > > Received: from curly.foo.bar (curly.foo.bar [10.203.10.19]) > > > by proteus.foo.bar (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAQFUQD06066 > > > for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:26 -0500 (EST) > > > Received: (from nobody@localhost) > > > by curly.foo.bar (8.11.1/8.10.1) id fAQFUPc21955; > > > Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) > > > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) > > > Message-Id: <200111261530.fAQFUPc21955@curly.foo.bar> > > > From: Anonymous Poster > > > To: answers@bev.foo.bar > > > Subject: Test > > > > > > jfdkjfdkfdjkfdfd > > > > > > -- > > > - Kyle > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Kyle Tucker - Manager of IT Tel: (978) 816-0229 > > > Incyte Genomics - Proteome Division Fax: (978) 816-0286 > > > 100 Cummings Center, Suite 435M Email - kylet@incyte.com > > > Beverly, MA 01915 Web - http://www.incyte.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- End of excerpt from Daniel Liston > > -- > - Kyle > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kyle Tucker - Manager of IT Tel: (978) 816-0229 > Incyte Genomics - Proteome Division Fax: (978) 816-0286 > 100 Cummings Center, Suite 435M Email - kylet@incyte.com > Beverly, MA 01915 Web - http://www.incyte.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 12:05:52 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA20650; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D1C17EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fATJkNx27774 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.218]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNKUX701.AY8; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:46:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3C068F9E.1F8AFA64@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:42:22 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ish Rattan Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Stuck. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I tried to post it here and in majordomo-workers last week, but it is 51K and does not fit or is waiting for the moderator to approve. If you would like to look it over and provide feedback to me, I will be happy to send it to you directly. I have comments in the code, and very flexible to suggestions. Dan Liston Ish Rattan wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Daniel Liston wrote: > > > I have a perl script I will send you in a follow up message that will create > > aliases, configs, directories, (and virtusertable entries if necessary) for > > you. If nothing else, it will show you what the entries and permissions > Why not post it here too? > > -ishwar From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 12:21:51 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA20807; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9158E17EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:52:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fATJqtx00133 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.218]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNKV8402.SYA; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:52:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3C069126.E392845B@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:48:54 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rwelty@suespammers.org Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: It's time to document limitations/problems/strategies for large lists References: <3C04F74B.7BFE29A5@bard.edu> <3C051C83.837E4994@suespammers.org> <3C0663D4.B9B53F30@suespammers.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Don't feel too deafened. The majordomo-(jobs|workers|announce|docs) get about as much interest. :) Dan rwelty@suespammers.org wrote: > > rwelty@suespammers.org wrote: > > > > Stewart Dean wrote: > > > > > > I'm not the one to do it, but it seems like it's time for the right > > > people to do this. This question comes up again and again and the wheel > > > gets reinvented and the same holes get fallen into. Kevin Healy's been > > > tasked with a 200, 000 list and apparently has already done a 100,000 > > > member list... > > > Huddle guys... > > > > perhaps we need to set up a parallel mailing list, say large-lists > > > > i can put such a list up on my server (digest.net), it'd be a good > > chance to start experimenting with my majordomo2 installation (which as > > of yet isn't actually running any lists.) > > the deafening silence suggests no one is interested. > > richard From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 12:35:32 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA20603; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (c3po.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58D517EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fATJgHY19823 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.228.218]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNKUQG00.BYJ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:42:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3C068EAA.42A32B0@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:38:18 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: djohnston@rentokil.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: newbie question, throttling References: <3C06464B.17279.1388D84@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This sounds like you would be using a captive (closed) list. You may want to consider departmentalizing your subscribers and creating lists of lists. I am not sure of any reasons to break down your 1000 employees into groups of 100 or even rotating those 100 into different delivery days though. Dan Liston djohnston@rentokil.com wrote: > > Hi majordomo experts and everyone else :) > > Sorry if this is an over-asked or pointless question: > > I'm evaluating majordomo at work, on our new Postfix mail server > running under Redhat 7.1. I've installed it, and am quite happy that > everything seems to be working the way it should do. > > Part of my evaluation will be considering if we could use > majordomo for mailouts to internal lists of, say, 1000 employees > (branch managers etc). I'd like to know whether anyone has any > thoughts towards throttling majordomo so it only sends out 100 > mails one day then 100 the next and so on... I can think of ways to > do this myself using cron jobs and breaking the lists down into > smaller lists perhaps. But is there any add ons or 'plugins' already > out there? > > Obviously; such an add-on might allow people to abuse majordomo > for sending unsolicitated 'spam' mail; so I could quite understand if > there were deliberately no attempts to develop anything like that. > -- > Daniel Johnston > Technical Developer > Corporate IT - Rentokil Initial plc > > Tel: +44 (0) 1342 327171 ext 248 > > _____________________________________________________________________ > This message has been checked for all known viruses by > MessageLabs on behalf of Rentokil Initial plc From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 12:50:30 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA21405; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from shipyard.proteome.com (ns1.proteome.com [209.192.182.163]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEB717EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from proteus.proteome.com (mailhost.proteome.com [209.192.182.162]) by shipyard.proteome.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fATKWFw25183; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from whaler.proteome.com (whaler.proteome.com [10.203.2.11]) by proteus.proteome.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fATKQiD00292; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kylet@localhost) by whaler.proteome.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fATKQiE26739; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:26:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Kyle Tucker" Message-Id: <1011129152644.ZM26737@whaler.proteome.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:26:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) "Re: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator" (Nov 29, 1:14pm) References: <1011127115518.ZM24632@whaler.proteome.com> <3C0459FF.B98C64F1@netscape.com> <1011129113056.ZM26263@whaler.proteome.com> <3C06890D.E2ECDDD9@netscape.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Subject: Re: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Nov 29, 1:14pm, Dan Liston wrote: > Subject: Re: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator > Time for an honesty check. I have to admit, in all the years I have been > using majordomo, I have never used the approve script. I have always > done approvals via email commands, and then, primarily from the Netscape > mail client (linux and windows). I should have made it more clear that > I was referring to doing the approval this way when I replied. They key thing here is that I am setting this for non-technical Windows users, so I simply wanted something for them to send off approved messages to without dealing with header manipulation. I have since solved this by rolling my own "approve" script using the "deliver" package which made this easy. Here's what I did - when the user gets a bounce for mail sent to the mailing list called "answers", he then redirects the original message he wishes to approve to an alias called answers-approved which is an alias that pipes the message through deliver which in turn pipes the message through this script and voila! The script makes sure the sender is an approved address. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction regarding only needing the original message. #!/bin/sh # Set approved: header and send back into the stream to majordomo TOPDIR=/usr/local/lib/answers ALLOW=${TOPDIR}/allow WRKFILE=/tmp/answers.$$ WHO=`echo $SENDER | sed -e "s/^.*//"` if grep "^${WHO}$" $ALLOW > /dev/null 2>&1 then PW=`grep "^answers" /.majordomo | awk ' { print $2 } '` echo "/^Subject:/i\\" > approve.sed echo "Approved: $PW" >> approve.sed cat $HEADER | sed -f approve.sed -e "s/answers-approved/answers/" > $WRKFILE cat $BODY >> $WRKFILE cat $WRKFILE | /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t rm $WRKFILE else echo "Attempt from $WHO" | mailx -s "Majordomo approval attempt" postmaster fi echo DROP > Kyle Tucker wrote: > > > > On Nov 27, 9:29pm, Daniel Liston wrote: > > > Subject: Re: BOUNCE message from resend & message seperator > > > I think you have answered your own question. Unix tools work, windows > > > tools do not. It is still the same message on the server either way, > > > which means it is the mail user agent that is munging the message from > > > one into two. Actually, even with two messages, the first (blank) > > > message can be deleted. You are only interested in the real message > > > with real headers for approval. The blank message only has headers > > > from majordomo any way. > > > > I have tried piping just the original message to the approve > > script, but it fails with the following error indicating it > > requires the headers from the BOUNCE message. > > > > # /usr/local/majordomo/bin/approve < /tools/tmp/approve > > unknown request type 'test' in file ''; skipping at > > /usr/local/majordomo/bin/approve line 134, chunk 13. > > > > > Kyle Tucker wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I can't believe I'm the first to hit this problem but it > > > > wasn't in the FAQ. For a moderated list, resend appends the original > > > > message onto a new BOUNCE message to be sent to the list owner. It > > > > does not however indent the original "From_" header so when the owner > > > > gets the bounce (via IMAP), it's split up as two messages due to the > > > > From_ seperator, which is how they should behave. While, mailx, elm > > > > and Z-Mail all handle it okay on my Solaris box (presumably owing to > > > > using Content-Length) all the Windows progs; Eudora, Netscape and > > > > Outlook; split it. If I modify the mailbox to use >From on the original > > > > message, all is fine and "approve" script filters this out properly. > > > > How should I handle this and why am I even having this issue? Here's > > > > a bounce message from resend in case it's not doing as it should. I > > > > put the >'s in. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > From owner-answers@foo.bar Mon Nov 26 10:30:27 2001 > > > > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > > > > by proteus.foo.bar (8.10.1/8.10.1) id fAQFUR006070; > > > > Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:27 -0500 (EST) > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:27 -0500 (EST) > > > > From: owner-answers@foo.bar > > > > Message-Id: <200111261530.fAQFUR006070@proteus.foo.bar> > > > > X-Authentication-Warning: proteus.foo.bar: majordom set sender to > > > > owner-answers@foo.bar using -f > > > > To: answers-approval@foo.bar > > > > Subject: BOUNCE answers@foo.bar: Approval required: > > > > Content-Length: 585 > > > > Status: OR > > > > > > > > > From kylet@foo.bar Mon Nov 26 10:30:26 2001 > > > > Received: from curly.foo.bar (curly.foo.bar [10.203.10.19]) > > > > by proteus.foo.bar (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAQFUQD06066 > > > > for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:26 -0500 (EST) > > > > Received: (from nobody@localhost) > > > > by curly.foo.bar (8.11.1/8.10.1) id fAQFUPc21955; > > > > Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) > > > > Message-Id: <200111261530.fAQFUPc21955@curly.foo.bar> > > > > From: Anonymous Poster > > > > To: answers@bev.foo.bar > > > > Subject: Test > > > > > > > > jfdkjfdkfdjkfdfd > > > > > > > > -- > > > > - Kyle > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Kyle Tucker - Manager of IT Tel: (978) 816-0229 > > > > Incyte Genomics - Proteome Division Fax: (978) 816-0286 > > > > 100 Cummings Center, Suite 435M Email - kylet@incyte.com > > > > Beverly, MA 01915 Web - http://www.incyte.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >-- End of excerpt from Daniel Liston > > > > -- > > - Kyle > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Kyle Tucker - Manager of IT Tel: (978) 816-0229 > > Incyte Genomics - Proteome Division Fax: (978) 816-0286 > > 100 Cummings Center, Suite 435M Email - kylet@incyte.com > > Beverly, MA 01915 Web - http://www.incyte.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- End of excerpt from Dan Liston -- - Kyle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kyle Tucker - Manager of IT Tel: (978) 816-0229 Incyte Genomics - Proteome Division Fax: (978) 816-0286 100 Cummings Center, Suite 435M Email - kylet@incyte.com Beverly, MA 01915 Web - http://www.incyte.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- - Kyle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kyle Tucker - Manager of IT Tel: (978) 816-0229 Incyte Genomics - Proteome Division Fax: (978) 816-0286 100 Cummings Center, Suite 435M Email - kylet@incyte.com Beverly, MA 01915 Web - http://www.incyte.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner Thu Nov 29 16:35:11 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA24462; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.1.212]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE5D17EAF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jjah@localhost) by cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAU0Ham13438; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:17:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:17:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Dan Liston Cc: Ish Rattan , majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Stuck. In-Reply-To: <3C068F9E.1F8AFA64@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Dan Liston wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:42:22 -0600 > From: Dan Liston > To: Ish Rattan > Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Re: Stuck. > > I tried to post it here and in majordomo-workers last week, but it is 51K and > does not fit or is waiting for the moderator to approve. If you would like > to look it over and provide feedback to me, I will be happy to send it to you > directly. I have comments in the code, and very flexible to suggestions. You can gzip it and send it to the list as an attachment. Or if you like, you can upload it to: ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/incoming/ To be placed in: ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/ Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us > Ish Rattan wrote: > > > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Daniel Liston wrote: > > > > > I have a perl script I will send you in a follow up message that will create > > > aliases, configs, directories, (and virtusertable entries if necessary) for > > > you. If nothing else, it will show you what the entries and permissions > > Why not post it here too? > > > > -ishwar From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 30 09:39:05 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA08304; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.bard.net (unknown [208.186.78.96]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90D117EDE for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadowdale.bard.net (nightmare@[24.159.99.143]) by home.bard.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAUH4R614021 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:04:27 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011130115949.02006eb0@bard.net> X-Sender: webmaster@bard.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:04:37 -0500 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Michael Donohue Subject: archive2.pl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Ok, I know I'm being dense here. The alias below USED to work on my old system. Now I get this: Receiving 11 Either '-a' or '-u' required Usage: /usr/local/majordomo/archive2.pl -f {-u|-a} [-d|-D|-m|-M|-y|-Y] [file ...] 554 5.3.0 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/lists/.archive/"... unknown mailer error 2 What are the -a and -u switches? What could have changed that requires them now, but didn't require them before? In the .pl it shows this: # -a Input is a message to append to archive # -u Input is a UNIX archive (separated by "From " lines) to split But I'm not entirely sure what this means. Michael K Donohue Webmaster/Sys Admin Bardic Solutions http://www.bard.net webmaster@bard.net From majordomo-users-owner Fri Nov 30 12:52:01 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA10707; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com (r2d2.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7C017EC9 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAUKXPx14861 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([10.0.197.38]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNMRRJ00.DD2; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:33:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3C07EC1D.6F2868B1@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:29:17 -0600 From: dliston@netscape.com (Dan Liston) Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Donohue Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: archive2.pl References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011130115949.02006eb0@bard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-users-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk -a is what you need/want to use if you are adding each message as it arrives. -u is what you use if you already have a unix mbox formatted file full of messages that you want to build an archive file from. The aliase should look similar to this. listname-archiver: "/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f <$filedir>listname<$filedir_suffix>/listname -a -(D|Y|M)" Note: $filedir and $filedir_suffix are from your majordomo.cf file, and (D|M|Y) are day|month|year with year represented in 4 digits vs 2. The resulting file would be like; /usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.archive/listname.2001 if you used a Y as the last argument to archive2.pl. Dan Liston Michael Donohue wrote: > > Ok, I know I'm being dense here. > > The alias below USED to work on my old system. > > Now I get this: > > Receiving 11 > Either '-a' or '-u' required > Usage: /usr/local/majordomo/archive2.pl -f {-u|-a} > [-d|-D|-m|-M|-y|-Y] [file ...] > 554 5.3.0 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f > /usr/local/majordomo/lists/.archive/"... unknown mailer > error 2 > > What are the -a and -u switches? What could have changed that requires them > now, but didn't require them before? > > In the .pl it shows this: > > # -a Input is a message to append to archive > # -u Input is a UNIX archive (separated by "From " lines) to split > > But I'm not entirely sure what this means. > > Michael K Donohue > Webmaster/Sys Admin > Bardic Solutions > http://www.bard.net > webmaster@bard.net