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I am currently running a majordomo configuration with several lists. I 
would like to know if there is some way of displaying all the email 
addresses on the list being sent to in the 'To' or 'cc' fields on the 
outgoing email. So instead of showing, for example, list1@domain.com in 
the 'To' field, it would display email1@hotmail.com, email2@hotmail.com 
and so on.

An unusual request, but I am using an email to SMS gateway which 
requires all the mobile numbers you are sending to to be in the To or CC 
fields in the format mobile.number@smsgateway.com

I still want to use all the features of majordomo such as moderating and 
subscribe/unsubscribe, and want other people to be able to post to the 
list, therefore it is not possible to just set up a group of email 
addresses in an email client.

I only want to do this for one of my lists.

I am using majordomo 1.94.5, sendmail 8.10.2, and running on linux 
mandrake 7.1

Thanks




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I didn't realize I was pulling 
tags off of pillows here...
No, actually, I did. <grin>

I also wanted a bright green lace border
down the left side. Can we make that happen too?
Of course I'm joking here, but the
point is, I don't think I'm asking for
something that makes digests more confusing
like putting someone's name in the
subject line in italics. (Besides, it's ascii-only. ;-) )
I want to make the digest _more_digestible_.
In it's current incarnation, it isn't very.
A dinky dotted line is nearly indistinguishable
from some signature first and last lines. 
Messages are not clearly and distinctly separate. 
That's all I want.

Roger, I would bet you've done
some tweaking on MDv2. Surely, there
was something in the code that didn't fit your needs 
as well as it could have, that you just went in
and tweaked. Surely? Hmm?

Surely there are quite a number of folks
on this list who have tweaked their software
to achieve similar aims.

So who is in charge of digest standards?
How do we change the standards?
And until that standard is changed,
I don't mind pioneering a new standard.

The original question was:
How do I number subjects in the fronter,
and add a 'Message #' after the
message delimiting dashed line?

Am I really asking that much?

Cheers,

Chris


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk@queernet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Tweak Digest Configuration

> What if they "demanded" that you sent your mail without those messy 
> "From:", "To:" and "Subject:" things at the front?  What if they 
> "demanded" that you put their names in the Subject: line in a cursive font?
> 
> The point is that standards are standards.  Play with things that are 
> not standardized, but putting something in a digest part before the 
> headers, or changint the burst delimiter, breaks a standard.  






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Chris,

I think it is safe to say that somewhere between lines 160-300
of the digest script is where you would be making the mods you
are looking for.  More specifically, around lines 266 and 274.

Dan Liston

Chris Sparnicht wrote:
> 
> I didn't realize I was pulling
> tags off of pillows here...
> No, actually, I did. <grin>
> 
> I also wanted a bright green lace border
> down the left side. Can we make that happen too?
> Of course I'm joking here, but the
> point is, I don't think I'm asking for
> something that makes digests more confusing
> like putting someone's name in the
> subject line in italics. (Besides, it's ascii-only. ;-) )
> I want to make the digest _more_digestible_.
> In it's current incarnation, it isn't very.
> A dinky dotted line is nearly indistinguishable
> from some signature first and last lines.
> Messages are not clearly and distinctly separate.
> That's all I want.
> 
> Roger, I would bet you've done
> some tweaking on MDv2. Surely, there
> was something in the code that didn't fit your needs
> as well as it could have, that you just went in
> and tweaked. Surely? Hmm?
> 
> Surely there are quite a number of folks
> on this list who have tweaked their software
> to achieve similar aims.
> 
> So who is in charge of digest standards?
> How do we change the standards?
> And until that standard is changed,
> I don't mind pioneering a new standard.
> 
> The original question was:
> How do I number subjects in the fronter,
> and add a 'Message #' after the
> message delimiting dashed line?
> 
> Am I really asking that much?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk@queernet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Tweak Digest Configuration
> 
> > What if they "demanded" that you sent your mail without those messy
> > "From:", "To:" and "Subject:" things at the front?  What if they
> > "demanded" that you put their names in the Subject: line in a cursive font?
> >
> > The point is that standards are standards.  Play with things that are
> > not standardized, but putting something in a digest part before the
> > headers, or changint the burst delimiter, breaks a standard.


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Chris Sparnicht wrote:

>Roger, I would bet you've done
>some tweaking on MDv2. 
>
Nope.

>Surely, there
>was something in the code that didn't fit your needs 
>as well as it could have, that you just went in
>and tweaked. Surely? Hmm?
>
Nope.  I asked the developers to do it, and considered if it broke RFCs.

>So who is in charge of digest standards?
>How do we change the standards?
>And until that standard is changed,
>I don't mind pioneering a new standard.
>
Well, you submit a draft proposal to IETF and walk it through the process.

>The original question was:
>How do I number subjects in the fronter,
>and add a 'Message #' after the
>message delimiting dashed line?
>
>Am I really asking that much?
>
No and yes, in that order.




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Majordomo does not put recipient information in message headers, it puts
them in the envelope.  What you would need is a separate tool to intercept
delivery between majordomo and your MTA to convert the single message with
multiple recipients in the envelope, into multiple messages with a single
recipient in the header and envelope.  I do not know of any tool currently
in existance that does this.

Dan Liston

Andrew Beverley wrote:
> 
> I am currently running a majordomo configuration with several lists. I
> would like to know if there is some way of displaying all the email
> addresses on the list being sent to in the 'To' or 'cc' fields on the
> outgoing email. So instead of showing, for example, list1@domain.com in
> the 'To' field, it would display email1@hotmail.com, email2@hotmail.com
> and so on.
> 
> An unusual request, but I am using an email to SMS gateway which
> requires all the mobile numbers you are sending to to be in the To or CC
> fields in the format mobile.number@smsgateway.com
> 
> I still want to use all the features of majordomo such as moderating and
> subscribe/unsubscribe, and want other people to be able to post to the
> list, therefore it is not possible to just set up a group of email
> addresses in an email client.
> 
> I only want to do this for one of my lists.
> 
> I am using majordomo 1.94.5, sendmail 8.10.2, and running on linux
> mandrake 7.1
> 
> Thanks


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Hi,

I need to send mails containing html-code (images, links, etc.) to
majordomo-lists.
Unfortunately, part of the html-code is stripped from the mail.
Im using majordomo with sendmail on a linux-system.
The mails are sent from an exchange server...
Has anyone got an idea, what changes content of my mails? How can I prevent
this???

I=B4m grateful for every hint...

Thanks!

Heiko


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If you wish to allow HTML in email (Gross!), you can NOT use the 
message_fronter or message_footer features in your listname.config
file.  HTML is MIME encoded email, and requires MIME awarenes by
majordomo.  Majordomo is NOT MIME aware, but will pass these emails
through your system as long as you are not doing things that add to
or modify the body of the message along the way.

Dan Liston

"Riepen, Heiko" wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I need to send mails containing html-code (images, links, etc.) to
> majordomo-lists.
> Unfortunately, part of the html-code is stripped from the mail.
> Im using majordomo with sendmail on a linux-system.
> The mails are sent from an exchange server...
> Has anyone got an idea, what changes content of my mails? How can I prevent
> this???
> 
> I´m grateful for every hint...
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Heiko


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To: 'Robert Poldervaart' <RPoldervaart@lgc.com>
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> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Robert Poldervaart [mailto:RPoldervaart@lgc.com]
> Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 1. August 2002 19:02
> An: 'Riepen, Heiko'
> Betreff: RE: Is it possible to keep html-content in mails?
>=20
> What is being stripped?


I want to send mails including links. Exchange automatically puts the links
in href-tags, so users can open the linked page by simply clicking on the
link in the mail. In mails to majordomo-lists, links are wrapped after 76
characters. Only the first part of the link is included in the href-tag, the
part in the next line isn=B4t included, so clicking on the link leads the u=
ser
to an error-message...

When I send HTML-formatted mails including images, the forwarded mail only
includes the links to these images.



  I'm new to majordomo and probably=20
> won't have the
> answer, but I can send an email with output being HTML to the=20
> list.  I sent
> a picture (.jpg), text with formatting, and my signature.  It all came
> through.
>=20
> Robert
>=20
> ~~
> Robert Poldervaart
> rpoldervaart@lgc.com
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Riepen, Heiko [mailto:Heiko.Riepen@Dresdner-Bank.com]=20
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:30 AM
> To: 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'
> Subject: Is it possible to keep html-content in mails?
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I need to send mails containing html-code (images, links, etc.) to
> majordomo-lists.
> Unfortunately, part of the html-code is stripped from the mail.
> Im using majordomo with sendmail on a linux-system.
> The mails are sent from an exchange server...
> Has anyone got an idea, what changes content of my mails? How=20
> can I prevent
> this???
>=20
> I=B4m grateful for every hint...
>=20
> Thanks!
>=20
> Heiko
>=20


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To: 'Daniel Liston' <dliston@sonny.org>
Cc: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible to keep html-content in mails?
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:34:57 +0200 
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I tried a list without fronter and footer. The problem persists.
But it=B4s probably not caused by majordomo.


> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
> Gesendet am: Freitag, 2. August 2002 05:22
> An: Riepen, Heiko
> Cc: 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'
> Betreff: Re: Is it possible to keep html-content in mails?
>=20
>=20
> If you wish to allow HTML in email (Gross!), you can NOT use the=20
> message_fronter or message_footer features in your listname.config
> file.  HTML is MIME encoded email, and requires MIME awarenes by
> majordomo.  Majordomo is NOT MIME aware, but will pass these emails
> through your system as long as you are not doing things that add to
> or modify the body of the message along the way.
>=20
> Dan Liston
>=20
> "Riepen, Heiko" wrote:
> >=20
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > I need to send mails containing html-code (images, links, etc.) to
> > majordomo-lists.
> > Unfortunately, part of the html-code is stripped from the mail.
> > Im using majordomo with sendmail on a linux-system.
> > The mails are sent from an exchange server...
> > Has anyone got an idea, what changes content of my mails?=20
> How can I prevent
> > this???
> >=20
> > I=B4m grateful for every hint...
> >=20
> > Thanks!
> >=20
> > Heiko
>=20


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From: "Frans Zijm" <syseditor@planet.nl>
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Subject: Majordomo mailinglist only plain text?
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Hello Majordomo users,

I recently started a moderated mailinglist to gain experience. The only
person allowed to send a message will be the owner of the mailinglist, no
one else.

I want to use the mailinglist to send binaries. When I send a message with
attachments to the mailinglist, the message is bounced for approval, as
normal.

But the approval message is plain text and the attachments are embedded in
the message and therefor unuseful.

Is this normal practise?
Or must my webhost alter a configuration file?

Thanks in advance for your help.


With kind regards,

Frans Zijm



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e:12.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Hello Majordomo users,<o:p></o:p></span></font></s=
pan></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
e:12.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
e:12.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I recently started a moderated mailinglist to gain
experience. The only person allowed to send a message will be the owner of =
the
mailinglist, no one else.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
e:12.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I want to use the mailinglist to send binaries. Wh=
en I
send a message with attachments to the mailinglist, the message is bounced =
for
approval, as normal. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
e:12.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>But the approval message is plain text and the
attachments are embedded in the message and therefor unuseful.<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
e:12.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o=
:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
e:12.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Is this normal practise? <o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
e:12.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Or must my webhost alter a configuration file?<o:p=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
e:12.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o=
:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-siz=
e:12.0pt;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Thanks in advance for your help.<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStijl15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
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2.0pt;
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To: "'Riepen, Heiko'" <Heiko.Riepen@Dresdner-Bank.com>
Cc: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible to keep html-content in mails?
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The problem is not with majordomo wrapping the lines. Your Exchange server,
or client is most likely doing this. I have run into this problem many
times, and I instituted majorcool so that my users can admin their lists.
Every message sent thru exchange was wrapped to 76 characters. Even after, I
had the Admin modify the line wrap settings, I was still able to find client
software that forces the line wrap (esp the Web and Macintosh clients) It
turns out that Exchange also includes a "Feature" that will force ALL
outgoing mail to be HTML multipart/mime formatted, irregardless of the
user's preferences in his/her Exchange client. With all the problems I have
both sending and recieving mail from Exchange, it is beyond me why anyone
uses it for real e-mail (my personal opinion).

Get someone to check the Exchange server.
Good Luck
Bruce Lundberg

> ----------
> From: 	Riepen, Heiko
> Sent: 	Friday, August 2, 2002 6:31 AM
> To: 	'Robert Poldervaart'
> Cc: 	'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'
> Subject: 	Re: Is it possible to keep html-content in mails?
>=20
> > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Robert Poldervaart [mailto:RPoldervaart@lgc.com]
> > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 1. August 2002 19:02
> > An: 'Riepen, Heiko'
> > Betreff: RE: Is it possible to keep html-content in mails?
> >=20
> > What is being stripped?
>=20
>=20
> I want to send mails including links. Exchange automatically puts the
> links
> in href-tags, so users can open the linked page by simply clicking on the
> link in the mail. In mails to majordomo-lists, links are wrapped after 76
> characters. Only the first part of the link is included in the href-tag,
> the
> part in the next line isn=B4t included, so clicking on the link leads the
> user
> to an error-message...
>=20
> When I send HTML-formatted mails including images, the forwarded mail only
> includes the links to these images.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>   I'm new to majordomo and probably=20
> > won't have the
> > answer, but I can send an email with output being HTML to the=20
> > list.  I sent
> > a picture (.jpg), text with formatting, and my signature.  It all came
> > through.
> >=20
> > Robert
> >=20
> > ~~
> > Robert Poldervaart
> > rpoldervaart@lgc.com
> >=20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Riepen, Heiko [mailto:Heiko.Riepen@Dresdner-Bank.com]=20
> > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:30 AM
> > To: 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'
> > Subject: Is it possible to keep html-content in mails?
> >=20
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > I need to send mails containing html-code (images, links, etc.) to
> > majordomo-lists.
> > Unfortunately, part of the html-code is stripped from the mail.
> > Im using majordomo with sendmail on a linux-system.
> > The mails are sent from an exchange server...
> > Has anyone got an idea, what changes content of my mails? How=20
> > can I prevent
> > this???
> >=20
> > I=B4m grateful for every hint...
> >=20
> > Thanks!
> >=20
> > Heiko
> >=20
>=20
>=20


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From: Richard Welty <rwelty@suespammers.org>
Subject: Re: Majordomo mailinglist only plain text?
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:45:11 +0200 Frans Zijm <syseditor@planet.nl> wrote: 
> I want to use the mailinglist to send binaries.
... 
> But the approval message is plain text and the attachments are embedded
> in
> the message and therefor unuseful.
 
> Is this normal practise?

yes. the attachments should have been mime encoded, and probably converted
to base 64 for transport.

email is a text media, and binaries can't reasonably be transported without
conversion to an intermediate text representation (e.g., base 64).

you should try approving such a message and see if the folks at the other
end can unpack it before you panic. 

richard
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Thanks to all who helped me with this issue. I now have the
"Plain Text AOL 7.0" story wrapped up and ready to go public
next week. I will attempt a phone call Monday to the AOL EVP
of Member Services, as has been suggested to me.

What is interesting is that the "Who We Are" AOL web page
on the internet shows Keith Jenkins in that position; this
agrees with what I was told. However, the same page viewed
while logged in to AOL shows it to be Neil Smit. Hopefully
the phone number will get me to the right person.

If that doesn't work, I think the story is clear enough
to give it to the on-line media; your comments and
suggestions welcomed.  See http://obri.net/aol .

Jay O'Brien




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Greetings,

I have a mailing list, but have noticed that the posted messages never
arrive in any Hotmail account. I don't get a bounce, or any error messages.
And it doesn't put the mail in the Junkfolder at Hotmail either. It doesn't
show up altogether.

Any insight appreciated,

Yves Vrancken




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From: =?koi8-r?B?6czY0SD7ydDJw8nO?= <ilia@chel.skbkontur.ru>
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Problems when installing Majorcool!
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Dear Sirs,

I'm running FreeBSD-4.6, recently I've installed majordomo+majorcool
from ports collection. majordomo works just great, but majorcool doesn't
work.

in httpd-error.log I see:

[Sun Aug  4 19:08:13 2002] [error] [client 192.168.200.22] Premature end
of script headers: /usr/local/www/cgi-bin/majordomo

what else information should I provide in order to describe my problem ?


Regards, (=EE=C1=C9=CC=D5=DE=DB=C9=C5 =D0=CF=D6=C5=CC=C1=CE=C9=D1)
Ilia Chipitsine (=E9=CC=D8=D1 =FB=C9=D0=C9=C3=C9=CE)



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Hi...

Ive created a domain name & switched to an Apache server / host service..

Can Majordomo be implemented / activated onnan Apache Server ?  (powweb.com)

G.



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I wouldn't think Majordomo would have anything to do with the web server.
Majordomo works with the mail subsystem.  It doesn't go through any web
server.

So, I'm saying it is possible, particularly because I know of a site that
uses an Apache web server and also runs Majordomo.

Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Stewart [mailto:gordon52@slingshot.co.nz] 
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:07 AM
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Majordomo on Apache ?


Hi...

Ive created a domain name & switched to an Apache server / host service..

Can Majordomo be implemented / activated onnan Apache Server ?  (powweb.com)

G.



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I run Apache on my MJ box. There's no problem or interference with MJ.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gordon Stewart [mailto:gordon52@slingshot.co.nz]
>Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:07 AM
>To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
>Subject: Majordomo on Apache ?
>
>
>Hi...
>
>Ive created a domain name & switched to an Apache server / host service..
>
>Can Majordomo be implemented / activated onnan Apache Server ?  (powweb.com)
>
>G.



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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gordon Stewart [mailto:gordon52@slingshot.co.nz] 
>Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:07 AM
>To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
>Subject: Majordomo on Apache ?
>
>
>Hi...
>
>Ive created a domain name & switched to an Apache server / host service..
>
>Can Majordomo be implemented / activated onnan Apache Server ?  (powweb.com)
>
>G.
>

...no problem running at same time a Apache as it has nothing to do with
the web server. But, if you want Majorcool for web front admin, then a web
server is essential.... Apache will do just fine for that.

Best regards,
Jack L. Stone,
Administrator

Sage American
http://www.sage-american.com
jacks@sage-american.com


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To: Yves Vrancken <vrancken.yves@skynet.be>
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Subject: Re: Problems with Hotmail.
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Do you use bulk_mailer?  If so, you may want to tweak the source and
recompile to remove the bulk_mailer Vn.n portion that's put in the header.
I don't remember if my groups failed at hotmail, but the others that did
say they couldn't be delivered said that bulk_mailer was the reason.

--
Karl L. Pearson
Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
Senior Consulting Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml

On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Yves Vrancken wrote:

>Greetings,
>
>I have a mailing list, but have noticed that the posted messages never
>arrive in any Hotmail account. I don't get a bounce, or any error messages.
>And it doesn't put the mail in the Junkfolder at Hotmail either. It doesn't
>show up altogether.
>
>Any insight appreciated,
>
>Yves Vrancken
>
>
>



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To: =?koi8-r?B?6czY0SD7ydDJw8nO?= <ilia@chel.skbkontur.ru>
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Subject: Re: Problems when installing Majorcool!
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You may need to re-install majorcool and try different options. Perhaps one
of the install options you selected is causing a failure.

Also, because majorcool is written in Perl, make sure the first line says:

#!/usr/bin/perl -w

instead of just

#!/usr/bin/perl

The extra debugging capability may show you something more in the logs.

--
Karl L. Pearson
Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
Senior Consulting Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml

On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, [koi8-r] =E9=CC=D8=D1 =FB=C9=D0=C9=C3=C9=CE wrote:

>Dear Sirs,
>
>I'm running FreeBSD-4.6, recently I've installed majordomo+majorcool
>from ports collection. majordomo works just great, but majorcool doesn't
>work.
>
>in httpd-error.log I see:
>
>[Sun Aug  4 19:08:13 2002] [error] [client 192.168.200.22] Premature end
>of script headers: /usr/local/www/cgi-bin/majordomo
>
>what else information should I provide in order to describe my problem ?
>
>
>Regards, (=EE=C1=C9=CC=D5=DE=DB=C9=C5 =D0=CF=D6=C5=CC=C1=CE=C9=D1)
>Ilia Chipitsine (=E9=CC=D8=D1 =FB=C9=D0=C9=C3=C9=CE)
>
>



From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sun Aug  4 21:53:22 2002
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A heads-up: ATT worldnet has been blocking incoming
mail to us with att.net addresses now for nearly two
days from some domains. Those being blocked include
aol, speakeasy, netscape, bigfoot, and cs. I'm trying
to get a more comprehensive list. Fortunately ATT is
not accepting the mail and it is being bounced to the
senders, in most cases. So at least after 24 hours or
so they learn the email didn't get through. ATT is
working on the problem, but has shared no details or
prognosis with its subscribers.

Fortunately the mailing lists I manage are not on any
of the domains being blocked, but my subscribers who
send from the blocked domains to my att address don't
get through directly to me.

If anyone knows of other domains who are presently
unable to send mail to ATT worldnet, please let me
know. BTW, I do receive all three of the list manager
mailing lists I'm sending this to, at least ATT is
accepting mail from those addresses (now).

Jay O'Brien







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From: =?koi8-r?B?6czY0SD7ydDJw8nO?= <ilia@chel.skbkontur.ru>
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Dear Sirs,

is there any russian translation of Majordomo/Majorcool already ?

Regards, (=EE=C1=C9=CC=D5=DE=DB=C9=C5 =D0=CF=D6=C5=CC=C1=CE=C9=D1)
Ilia Chipitsine (=E9=CC=D8=D1 =FB=C9=D0=C9=C3=C9=CE)



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Hello All,

Eric Gorr wrote:
> 
> At 2:57 AM +0100 7/28/02, Colin F Reynolds wrote:
> >Eric Gorr <ericgorr@cox.net> wrote
> >>In my config file which I got from sending the 'config' command to the
> >>server, I see:
> >>
> >>subject_prefix      = $LIST
> >>message_footer      <<  END
> >>Some footer text
> >>END
> >>
> >>
> >>However, when sending a message to the mailing list, neither
> >>subject_prefix nor message_footer information is being used.
> >
> >Hi, Eric. I had the same trouble... I found (somewhere? ... it's not
> >in the FAQ) that the problem with the subject_prefix not being
> >expanded was due to not using "resend" on the outgoing mail alias,
> >e.g.:
> >
> >listname: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l listname
> >listname-going-out, null"
> >
> >When I made sure it went through resend, the subject line worked fine. I have:
> >
> >   subject_prefix      = [$LIST]
> 
> How can I setup these aliases or find how they are currently defined?
> 
> The problem might turn out to be that tera-byte.com, although they do
> allow me to setup a mailing list, may not allow me to make any
> modifications to the defaults.
> 
> Will I need their cooperation in order to make the modification you
> suggest above?

I am myself in exactly the same situation as Eric, using tera-byte.com
virtual servers. While the setup using web-based Ensim certainly makes
a majordomo mailing list, it is not fully configured, and the resend
option(s) are completely ignored. Attempts to enter the above advice
via Ensim unfortunately creates somewhat of a mess.

Now, it is fully possible to alter the configuration files directly,
using SSH TelNet. But to avoid creating an even greater mess I would
very much like some thorough documentation on the setup of majordomo
in general and aliases in particular. I have found virtually nothing
about the latter in the documentation. Possibly I have been looking
in the wrong places? Any hints/advice would be greatly appreciated!


Best regards,

Lars
-- 
----------------------------------------
/Lars Snith, mailto:lars@snith.nu
http://www.snith.nu/lars/


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I have no access to the root of majordomo on the server. I own a virtual
domain that is hosted by a company. At least, from what you said, I believe
that I need to have access to the root.

The emails don't show up in Hotmail. Not in the junk folder, nor in a bulk
mail folder. I double checked the hotmail address, but it is valid and able
to receive other mail. And, no boucing or error messages at Majordomo.

Yves


> Do you use bulk_mailer?  If so, you may want to tweak the source and
> recompile to remove the bulk_mailer Vn.n portion that's put in the header.
> I don't remember if my groups failed at hotmail, but the others that did
> say they couldn't be delivered said that bulk_mailer was the reason.
>
> --
> Karl L. Pearson
> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
>
> On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Yves Vrancken wrote:
>
> >Greetings,
> >
> >I have a mailing list, but have noticed that the posted messages never
> >arrive in any Hotmail account. I don't get a bounce, or any error
messages.
> >And it doesn't put the mail in the Junkfolder at Hotmail either. It
doesn't
> >show up altogether.
> >
> >Any insight appreciated,
> >
> >Yves Vrancken
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>




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Hi Lars,

I will bottom post to keep this message in sync with it's previous thread.

Lars Snith wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Eric Gorr wrote:
> >
> > At 2:57 AM +0100 7/28/02, Colin F Reynolds wrote:
> > >Eric Gorr <ericgorr@cox.net> wrote
> > >>In my config file which I got from sending the 'config' command to the
> > >>server, I see:
> > >>
> > >>subject_prefix      = $LIST
> > >>message_footer      <<  END
> > >>Some footer text
> > >>END
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>However, when sending a message to the mailing list, neither
> > >>subject_prefix nor message_footer information is being used.
> > >
> > >Hi, Eric. I had the same trouble... I found (somewhere? ... it's not
> > >in the FAQ) that the problem with the subject_prefix not being
> > >expanded was due to not using "resend" on the outgoing mail alias,
> > >e.g.:
> > >
> > >listname: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l listname
> > >listname-going-out, null"
> > >
> > >When I made sure it went through resend, the subject line worked fine. I have:
> > >
> > >   subject_prefix      = [$LIST]
> >
> > How can I setup these aliases or find how they are currently defined?
> >
> > The problem might turn out to be that tera-byte.com, although they do
> > allow me to setup a mailing list, may not allow me to make any
> > modifications to the defaults.
> >
> > Will I need their cooperation in order to make the modification you
> > suggest above?
> 
> I am myself in exactly the same situation as Eric, using tera-byte.com
> virtual servers. While the setup using web-based Ensim certainly makes
> a majordomo mailing list, it is not fully configured, and the resend
> option(s) are completely ignored. Attempts to enter the above advice
> via Ensim unfortunately creates somewhat of a mess.
> 
> Now, it is fully possible to alter the configuration files directly,
> using SSH TelNet. But to avoid creating an even greater mess I would
> very much like some thorough documentation on the setup of majordomo
> in general and aliases in particular. I have found virtually nothing
> about the latter in the documentation. Possibly I have been looking
> in the wrong places? Any hints/advice would be greatly appreciated!
> 

The docs I received with majordomo contained a file called NEWLIST
which covers aliases from the most simple form to a quite complex form
including resend, archive, and digest settings.  This same directory
has a file called list-owner-info which covers every detail of the
config files and the email commands to access them as well.

To put it simply, majordomo does not use/read the config file for the
mailing list, unless the messages are piped through "resend" in the
alias that receives the email.  "Managing Mailing Lists" (O'Reily),
seems to recommend putting all alias settings in an @file, but I feel
this leaves room for additional mistakes regarding file ownership and
permissions, and could require additional sendmail (MTA) tweaks.

For example, anyone that runs a majordomo server, should have an alias
that simply dumps into /dev/null. Typically, this is the "nobody"
alias.
nobody: /dev/null

Every mailing list should have it's incoming and it's outgoing alias,
as well as it's -owner and -request aliases.  Incoming is the name of
the list itself.  Outgoing is usually -outgoing or -list, but these
should also be deprecated, as they are easy for spammers to make use
of.  The -outgoing address is actually expected by one or more of the
majordomo perl scripts, and since I am not writing a new O'Reily book,
will stick to defaults.

owner-listname: you@your.domain,
listname: "|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper resend -l 
	listname listname-outgoing,nobody"
listname-outgoing: /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname
listname-request: "|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper 
	request-answer listname"
listname-owner: owner-listname

Additionally, if your list is hosted, any alias that uses a pipe to
wrapper, should also have a -C custom-majordomo.cf file reference
specific to your domain.  A -h your.domain arguement is suggested
in the NEWLIST file (and the O'Reily book), but if you have set up
your config file for the list properly, this is overridden by the
resend_host variable anyway.

I could supply additional suggestions/requirements for aliases on
the assumption that you are doing archives or digests of your list,
but if you look at the greatcircle archives and the NEWLIST file,
I am sure you will find what you need.

Final note, regarding the format of the example aliases above;
Sendmail allows you to continue aliases across multiple lines as
long as each continuation line is indented.  If tera-byte.com
uses any other MTA, either verify this is allowed, follow their
method of continuation, or keep all the info on one physical line.

Dan Liston


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Jay O'Brien wrote:

> Thanks to all who helped me with this issue. I now have the
> "Plain Text AOL 7.0" story wrapped up and ready to go public
> next week. I will attempt a phone call Monday to the AOL EVP
> of Member Services, as has been suggested to me.

I wrote a similar letter to AOL about another Majordomo list that I administer, 
and got a similarly fatuous letter back, telling me how important my opinion was 
to AOL, but totally and completely misunderstanding my point.

I suspect, from reading it, that it was written by a computer program designed 
to respond to particular trigger words in the message.   I doubt any of it went 
through the mind of a thinking human.


Keith
-- 
Keith Jillings
G3OIT   GW3OIT   G-UTSY at EGMC



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Jay;

I forwarded your message regarding the AOL 7.0 problem to another group I am
a member of.  Here is the solutions that one of the members is using.
____________________________
We send plain text all the time to AOL 7 users and have tested on AOL 8
also. You might take a look at the MIME types in the email template. We have
a whitelisting w/AOL and do substantial volume. MOST of what we send is text
since most people choose text on their optin choices.

AOL has some very "interesting" idiosyncracies and requirements, but it's
quite easy to send decent text, multi-part or plain html emails to them.
There is also a way to shut off the AOL image warning for HTML emails (but I
can't tell you that and it breaks the email for everyone else). Anything
else, I'll be happy to assist, just email me privately.

Much of it revolves around exact control of the email template layout to
include line spacing in the header area. If you don't control that part, I
can't help you. If you do, I can send you a working template sample.

Elizabeth
____________________
Teajai Kimsey
Managing Partner
Budget Website Design
www.budgetwebsitedesign.com
From Concept to Completion & Beyond ~
316.944.8700



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Subject: Re: [Q] Majordomo problems - subject_prefix & message_footer
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I suggest you get the book Managing Mailing Lists book from O'Reilly.  It
has a chapter you can use as a cookbook for setting up majordomo including
the aliases.




                                                                                                
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Hello All,

Eric Gorr wrote:
>
> At 2:57 AM +0100 7/28/02, Colin F Reynolds wrote:
> >Eric Gorr <ericgorr@cox.net> wrote
> >>In my config file which I got from sending the 'config' command to the
> >>server, I see:
> >>
> >>subject_prefix      = $LIST
> >>message_footer      <<  END
> >>Some footer text
> >>END
> >>
> >>
> >>However, when sending a message to the mailing list, neither
> >>subject_prefix nor message_footer information is being used.
> >
> >Hi, Eric. I had the same trouble... I found (somewhere? ... it's not
> >in the FAQ) that the problem with the subject_prefix not being
> >expanded was due to not using "resend" on the outgoing mail alias,
> >e.g.:
> >
> >listname: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l listname
> >listname-going-out, null"
> >
> >When I made sure it went through resend, the subject line worked fine. I
have:
> >
> >   subject_prefix      = [$LIST]
>
> How can I setup these aliases or find how they are currently defined?
>
> The problem might turn out to be that tera-byte.com, although they do
> allow me to setup a mailing list, may not allow me to make any
> modifications to the defaults.
>
> Will I need their cooperation in order to make the modification you
> suggest above?

I am myself in exactly the same situation as Eric, using tera-byte.com
virtual servers. While the setup using web-based Ensim certainly makes
a majordomo mailing list, it is not fully configured, and the resend
option(s) are completely ignored. Attempts to enter the above advice
via Ensim unfortunately creates somewhat of a mess.

Now, it is fully possible to alter the configuration files directly,
using SSH TelNet. But to avoid creating an even greater mess I would
very much like some thorough documentation on the setup of majordomo
in general and aliases in particular. I have found virtually nothing
about the latter in the documentation. Possibly I have been looking
in the wrong places? Any hints/advice would be greatly appreciated!


Best regards,

Lars
--
----------------------------------------
/Lars Snith, mailto:lars@snith.nu
http://www.snith.nu/lars/







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Someone else has taken up the majordomo/mailing list load for now...though I may 
be back in the future,  my mailbox (as a sysadmin) in hip-deep and I must bow out.

You're a good, helpful and level-headed bunch....no flame-wars, plenty of 
thoughtful consideration for what may seem at first simple questions, plenty of 
generous, patient help.  My particular thanks to Daniel Liston, one of the princes 
(in the best sense of the word) of this list.  May you get back for the effort, 
grace, patience and knowledge you've demonstrated here.

Adieu.
-- 
====
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I think you have it backwards TJ.  We and majordomo can send "TO" AOL users
just fine and dandy.  It is them sending to "US" that gets all convaluted.
We and majordomo want our mail to be formatted in PLAIN/TEXT so we can read
it without a web browser.  Sending HTML to AO Lusers is trivial.  Getting
them to send NON-HTML or Content-Type: text/plain email is nearly impossible.

Dan Liston

"Teajai (TJ) Kimsey" wrote:
> 
> Jay;
> 
> I forwarded your message regarding the AOL 7.0 problem to another group I am
> a member of.  Here is the solutions that one of the members is using.
> ____________________________
> We send plain text all the time to AOL 7 users and have tested on AOL 8
> also. You might take a look at the MIME types in the email template. We have
> a whitelisting w/AOL and do substantial volume. MOST of what we send is text
> since most people choose text on their optin choices.
> 
> AOL has some very "interesting" idiosyncracies and requirements, but it's
> quite easy to send decent text, multi-part or plain html emails to them.
> There is also a way to shut off the AOL image warning for HTML emails (but I
> can't tell you that and it breaks the email for everyone else). Anything
> else, I'll be happy to assist, just email me privately.
> 
> Much of it revolves around exact control of the email template layout to
> include line spacing in the header area. If you don't control that part, I
> can't help you. If you do, I can send you a working template sample.
> 
> Elizabeth
> ____________________
> Teajai Kimsey
> Managing Partner
> Budget Website Design
> www.budgetwebsitedesign.com
> >From Concept to Completion & Beyond ~
> 316.944.8700


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I have an issue where whenever an email is generated by a list member that =
contains a handful of other recipients, the message bounces with the error =
"header field too long". Is there a way to fix that?

Also, is there a SEARCHABLE archive of the list somewhere? the lack of abil=
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Look in the majordomo.cf file for
$MAX_HEADER_LINE_LENGTH = 128;
and
$MAX_TOTAL_HEADER_LENGTH = 1024;

both of these can be increased to suit your needs.
Just be careful not to increase them too far.

BTW, please send your messages to mailing lists in
ASCII clean text, no HTML, so users of ALL email
clients can see your message without having to dig
through the <tag>s to make sense of it.

Dan Liston

> no user wrote:
> 
> I have an issue where whenever an email is generated by a list member that contains a handful of other recipients, the message bounces with the error "header field too long". Is there a way to fix that?
> 
> Also, is there a SEARCHABLE archive of the list somewhere? the lack of ability to search an archive seems kinda silly to me....


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Thanks alot, the text has been corrected.

One more question... how Do I make a list owner send only? I would like a
distro list that only I can send to. I dont want the users to be able to
send, only receive.

And also how do I set majordomo to default the emails to the reply
to:<listname> so the users dont ahve to select "reply all" to keep the
"conversation" on the list? Ok, it was two... I lied ;).

Hell, with this many questions, who can recommend the best book on
majorodomo so I dont need to ask any more?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
To: "no user" <user@skygilligan.org>
Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Header field too long errors


>
> Look in the majordomo.cf file for
> $MAX_HEADER_LINE_LENGTH = 128;
> and
> $MAX_TOTAL_HEADER_LENGTH = 1024;
>
> both of these can be increased to suit your needs.
> Just be careful not to increase them too far.
>
> BTW, please send your messages to mailing lists in
> ASCII clean text, no HTML, so users of ALL email
> clients can see your message without having to dig
> through the <tag>s to make sense of it.
>
> Dan Liston
>
> > no user wrote:
> >
> > I have an issue where whenever an email is generated by a list member
that contains a handful of other recipients, the message bounces with the
error "header field too long". Is there a way to fix that?
> >
> > Also, is there a SEARCHABLE archive of the list somewhere? the lack of
ability to search an archive seems kinda silly to me....




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Dear Mr. 'no user':

Just read the .config file for comments about the very questions you have.
In a nutshell, check restrict_post and reply_to for the two you asked
about. The syntax:

restrict_post   =   file.with.your.email.address.in.lists.dir

i.e:

restrict_post   =   listname.owner

and

reply_to        =   $SENDER

or

reply_to        =   listname

($LIST doesn't work in this field)

and who goes by 'no user' in a professional forum? How much credibility are
you intending to build for yourself?

--
Karl L. Pearson
Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
Senior Consulting Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml

On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, no user wrote:

>Thanks alot, the text has been corrected.
>
>One more question... how Do I make a list owner send only? I would like a
>distro list that only I can send to. I dont want the users to be able to
>send, only receive.
>
>And also how do I set majordomo to default the emails to the reply
>to:<listname> so the users dont ahve to select "reply all" to keep the
>"conversation" on the list? Ok, it was two... I lied ;).
>
>Hell, with this many questions, who can recommend the best book on
>majorodomo so I dont need to ask any more?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
>To: "no user" <user@skygilligan.org>
>Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:39 PM
>Subject: Re: Header field too long errors
>
>
>>
>> Look in the majordomo.cf file for
>> $MAX_HEADER_LINE_LENGTH = 128;
>> and
>> $MAX_TOTAL_HEADER_LENGTH = 1024;
>>
>> both of these can be increased to suit your needs.
>> Just be careful not to increase them too far.
>>
>> BTW, please send your messages to mailing lists in
>> ASCII clean text, no HTML, so users of ALL email
>> clients can see your message without having to dig
>> through the <tag>s to make sense of it.
>>
>> Dan Liston
>>
>> > no user wrote:
>> >
>> > I have an issue where whenever an email is generated by a list member
>that contains a handful of other recipients, the message bounces with the
>error "header field too long". Is there a way to fix that?
>> >
>> > Also, is there a SEARCHABLE archive of the list somewhere? the lack of
>ability to search an archive seems kinda silly to me....
>
>
>



From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Tue Aug  6 09:18:37 2002
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Thanks a bunch. And as for the professionalism... I got tired of having my
name and email address spread all over the web via crawlers and google-ish
search engines. The last "legitimate" email address I used (and really
liked) I had to dispose of because the insane amounts of spam from having my
email address harvested.

Now, I dont have to worry. I can change email addresses (and update list
subscriptions) on a whim. Sure, I could go thru the hassle of installing RBL
based mail filters, but disposable email addresses are so much easier.

Anyone who wants my real contact info, I am happy to give it off list.

Sorry if it offends you Karl... you are the first.

Roy

----- Original Message -----
From: <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
To: "no user" <user@skygilligan.org>
Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: Header field too long errors


> Dear Mr. 'no user':
>
> Just read the .config file for comments about the very questions you have.
> In a nutshell, check restrict_post and reply_to for the two you asked
> about. The syntax:
>
> restrict_post   =   file.with.your.email.address.in.lists.dir
>
> i.e:
>
> restrict_post   =   listname.owner
>
> and
>
> reply_to        =   $SENDER
>
> or
>
> reply_to        =   listname
>
> ($LIST doesn't work in this field)
>
> and who goes by 'no user' in a professional forum? How much credibility
are
> you intending to build for yourself?
>
> --
> Karl L. Pearson
> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
>
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, no user wrote:
>
> >Thanks alot, the text has been corrected.
> >
> >One more question... how Do I make a list owner send only? I would like a
> >distro list that only I can send to. I dont want the users to be able to
> >send, only receive.
> >
> >And also how do I set majordomo to default the emails to the reply
> >to:<listname> so the users dont ahve to select "reply all" to keep the
> >"conversation" on the list? Ok, it was two... I lied ;).
> >
> >Hell, with this many questions, who can recommend the best book on
> >majorodomo so I dont need to ask any more?
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
> >To: "no user" <user@skygilligan.org>
> >Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
> >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:39 PM
> >Subject: Re: Header field too long errors
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Look in the majordomo.cf file for
> >> $MAX_HEADER_LINE_LENGTH = 128;
> >> and
> >> $MAX_TOTAL_HEADER_LENGTH = 1024;
> >>
> >> both of these can be increased to suit your needs.
> >> Just be careful not to increase them too far.
> >>
> >> BTW, please send your messages to mailing lists in
> >> ASCII clean text, no HTML, so users of ALL email
> >> clients can see your message without having to dig
> >> through the <tag>s to make sense of it.
> >>
> >> Dan Liston
> >>
> >> > no user wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I have an issue where whenever an email is generated by a list member
> >that contains a handful of other recipients, the message bounces with the
> >error "header field too long". Is there a way to fix that?
> >> >
> >> > Also, is there a SEARCHABLE archive of the list somewhere? the lack
of
> >ability to search an archive seems kinda silly to me....
> >
> >
> >
>
>




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How do I stop majordomo from replying to particular addresses?  I see
there is a line in majordomo.cf that appears to address this, but I
don't understand how to to configure it.  For example, how can I stop
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Thanks,
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> I’m wondering, since it’s possible to receive the config file of a
> mailing list by email is it possible to sen dit back with some
> modifications?
>
> I’m using majordomo 1.94.5

Yes, you just have to send plain-text e-mail.  Majordomo doesn't understand
MIME encoded rich-text messages.



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Yes, indeed, if you have admin password...


At 05:40 PM 8.6.2002 -0400, Michel C=F4t=E90dOk=3D wrote:=20

>>>>



Hi all,=20


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I=19m wondering, since it=19s possible to receive the config file of a
mailing list by email is it possible to sen dit back with some
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Best regards,

Jack L. Stone,

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jacks@sage-american.com


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	<majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
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> 	Sorry for the MIME type email I sent before...  I'm still
> getting used to Outlook Express on Win XP...
> 
> 	Anyway, just to be sure, I just need to send the text of the
> config file in the body of the email to 
> majordomo@myserver.com and it'll
> replace the old config file?

If I'm not mistaken:

newconfig <listname> <password>
[Config file follows here]



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	<majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
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> 	I suppose it's also possible to do the info and intro files in
> the same way?  How?

http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/
http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/README
http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/majordomo-faq.html



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A while back I was trying to get my lists to resend and was coming up
with bounced mail which said that "wrapper wasn't available for sendmail
programs."  I discovered that I mistyped the symlink in /etc/smrsh.
That has been rectified.  

Now I'm getting a new error message:

---Quote---
The original message was received at Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:04:24 -0400 from
majordomo@localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
nbta-civil-list

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 5.4.6 aliasing/forwarding loop broken
---End Quote---

I'm sending mail to nbta-civil@narsil.nbtanet.org.  Here's what the
pertinent section of my aliases file looks like.

Majordomo:              "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
nbta-civil:             "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
nbta-civil nbta-civil-list"
nbta-civil-list:        :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/nbta-civil
owner-nbta-civil:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-civil-owner:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-civil-approval:    bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-civil-request:     "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
nbta-civil"
applicants:             "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
applicants applicants-list"
applicants-list:        :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/applicants
owner-applicants:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
applicants-owner:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
applicants-approval:    bcohen@bpecreative.com
applicants-request:     "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
applicants"
nbta-bod:               "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l nbta-bod
nbta-bod-list"
nbta-bod-list:          :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/nbta-bod
owner-nbta-bod:         bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-bod-owner:         bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-bod-approval:      bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-bod-request:       "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
nbta-bod"

Any suggestions/help would be greatly appreciated.

Bob Cohen
b.p.e.Creative (Design and production services for the web)
Put creative minds to work for you.



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I figured it out.  All I did was delete the offending list using Webmin
and start over.  That seemed to do the trick.  Thanks everyone!

Bob Cohen
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Put creative minds to work for you. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com 
> [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Cohen
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:14 PM
> To: 'Dan Liston'
> Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: From field and Wrapper
> 
> 
> A while back I was trying to get my lists to resend and was 
> coming up with bounced mail which said that "wrapper wasn't 
> available for sendmail programs."  I discovered that I 
> mistyped the symlink in /etc/smrsh. That has been rectified.  
> 
> Now I'm getting a new error message:
> 
> ---Quote---
> The original message was received at Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:04:24 
> -0400 from majordomo@localhost
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors 
> ----- nbta-civil-list
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 5.4.6 aliasing/forwarding loop broken
> ---End Quote---
> 
> I'm sending mail to nbta-civil@narsil.nbtanet.org.  Here's 
> what the pertinent section of my aliases file looks like.
> 
> Majordomo:              "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
> nbta-civil:             "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
> nbta-civil nbta-civil-list"
> nbta-civil-list:        :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/nbta-civil
> owner-nbta-civil:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
> nbta-civil-owner:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
> nbta-civil-approval:    bcohen@bpecreative.com
> nbta-civil-request:     "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
> nbta-civil"
> applicants:             "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
> applicants applicants-list"
> applicants-list:        :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/applicants
> owner-applicants:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
> applicants-owner:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
> applicants-approval:    bcohen@bpecreative.com
> applicants-request:     "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
> applicants"
> nbta-bod:               "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend 
> -l nbta-bod
> nbta-bod-list"
> nbta-bod-list:          :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/nbta-bod
> owner-nbta-bod:         bcohen@bpecreative.com
> nbta-bod-owner:         bcohen@bpecreative.com
> nbta-bod-approval:      bcohen@bpecreative.com
> nbta-bod-request:       "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
> nbta-bod"
> 
> Any suggestions/help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Bob Cohen
> b.p.e.Creative (Design and production services for the web)
> Put creative minds to work for you.
> 
> 



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I think your problem lies here:

nbta-civil: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l nbta-civil
nbta-civil-list"

It is sending it back to itself.

-----Original Message-----
From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com
[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Bob Cohen
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:14 PM
To: 'Dan Liston'
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: From field and Wrapper


A while back I was trying to get my lists to resend and was coming up
with bounced mail which said that "wrapper wasn't available for sendmail
programs."  I discovered that I mistyped the symlink in /etc/smrsh.
That has been rectified.

Now I'm getting a new error message:

---Quote---
The original message was received at Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:04:24 -0400 from
majordomo@localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
nbta-civil-list

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 5.4.6 aliasing/forwarding loop broken
---End Quote---

I'm sending mail to nbta-civil@narsil.nbtanet.org.  Here's what the
pertinent section of my aliases file looks like.

Majordomo:              "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
nbta-civil:             "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
nbta-civil nbta-civil-list"
nbta-civil-list:        :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/nbta-civil
owner-nbta-civil:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-civil-owner:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-civil-approval:    bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-civil-request:     "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
nbta-civil"
applicants:             "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
applicants applicants-list"
applicants-list:        :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/applicants
owner-applicants:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
applicants-owner:       bcohen@bpecreative.com
applicants-approval:    bcohen@bpecreative.com
applicants-request:     "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
applicants"
nbta-bod:               "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l nbta-bod
nbta-bod-list"
nbta-bod-list:          :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/nbta-bod
owner-nbta-bod:         bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-bod-owner:         bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-bod-approval:      bcohen@bpecreative.com
nbta-bod-request:       "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l
nbta-bod"

Any suggestions/help would be greatly appreciated.

Bob Cohen
b.p.e.Creative (Design and production services for the web)
Put creative minds to work for you.






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Bob already announced that his problem was solved by using 
webmin to delete and recreate his offending list, but I do
not think your solution would have provided any help.  What
you are seeing in your response, was simply a matter of line
wrap from the original post.  The syntax for using resend in
majordomo signifies that the alias below is correct, however,
I would have included ,nobody or ,/dev/null inside the quotes
if it were one of my lists.

Dan Liston

Jamie Booth wrote:
> 
> I think your problem lies here:
> 
> nbta-civil: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l nbta-civil
> nbta-civil-list"
> 
> It is sending it back to itself.
>


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> majordomo signifies that the alias below is correct, however, 
> I would have included ,nobody or ,/dev/null inside the quotes 
> if it were one of my lists.

What would this do?  Also, I seem to have created some sort of mail
loop.  The messages seem to go out in multiples of four.  And I'm
getting an endless stream of failures, bounces, and mailbox full
messages from the listees' mail servers.  For the time being I removed
nearly everyone from the address database but that doesn't seem to have
stemmed the tide.

People are now sending very angry messages all full of capital letters.
I feel like George Jetson on the treadmill screaming, "Jane, stop this
crazy thing!"


Bob Cohen
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Put creative minds to work for you. 




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I am not sure WHAT your email client is doing. What appears to be
a plain text message has this header in it
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_AAF6CAB2.CCADFAEF"
that kills my netscape client in linux.  Especially since there is
no matching "boundary" at the end of the messge body, this header
should read "Content-Type: text/plain".  I finally had to copy and 
paste your message to be able to reply here.

OK, enough whining.  To answer your question, there is a line in the
majordomo.cf file with a list of addresses in regular expression
format that majordomo does not reply to.  The variable is called
oddly enough, $majordomo_dont_reply.  The existing regular expression
could be modified to also not respond to xyz@* by adding |xyz after
listproc inside the parenthesis.  For example, and this may line wrap:

$majordomo_dont_reply = '(mailer-daemon|uucp|listserv|majordomo|listproc|xyz)\@';

This states that majordomo will accept messages from any of these 
usernames in any domain, but will not send a response back to these 
specific names in those domains.  Specifically, if I am xyz@small.org
I will not be able to sub/unsub from any of your lists, because 
xyz@ is caught by the filter above.  

If you just want to stop me from posting to a specific list I am 
subscribed to, you can control that at the listname.config level 
by adding my address to the taboo_headers section of that file.  
Another example:

taboo_headers       <<  END
/X-Mailing-List: $LIST/
/xyz\@bigserver\.com/i
END

This will bounce the message to the listname-owner for review
rather than automatically being distributed to all the members
of the list.  Multiple addresses can be entered, one line per
address, but must be in the syntax stated above.

Dan Liston


> 
> How do I stop majordomo from replying to particular addresses?  I see there is a line in majordomo.cf that appears to address this,
> but I don't understand how to to configure it.  For example, how can I stop majordomo from replying to the address
> xyz@bigserver.com ? Can I enter multiple addresses?  
>  
> Thanks,
> Frank


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I will assume you are running sendmail as your MTA, and you have root
privelages on the majordomo machine.  Assuming sendmail is configured
correctly, there are three places where bottlenecks or misconfiguration
can cause duplicate deliveries.

1.  Sendmail gets interrupted during a delivery and starts over from
the beginning.  Do you notice that people at the top of the subscriber
file get more duplicates than those at the end?  You may need faster
CPU(s), more bandwidth, or perhaps a smarthost.

2.   You have duplicate entries in the subscriber file itself, or
multiple references to :include: that file in your aliases.  Do a 
'uniq' or a 'sort -u' on the subscriber file.  Do a 'uniq' on the
/etc/aliases file. 

3.  Line wrapping is getting you into trouble with your aliases file.  
If you must use hard line breaks and continue lines on the following 
line, always indent the continuation.  Unless the line is blank or a 
comment, every alias in /etc/aliases file should start with letter(s), 
followed by alphanumerics, hyphen, or underscore, and
end with alphnumeric folowed by colon and white space.  
There should be NO white space left of the colon.  
If an alias line does not contain a colon, and it is not a comment, 
fix it by joining it to the previous line above, indenting it, or 
commenting it out.

Here is a sample set of aliases which utilize resend, archive, digest
and auto-response (request-answer).

owner-test:	test-owner,
test:		"|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper -l test test-outgoing,nobody"
test-owner:	dliston
test-approval:	dliston
test-outgoing:	:include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify
test-archiver:	"|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /var/lib/majordomo/archive/test/test -a -M"
test-digestify:	"|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing",
test-request:	"|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test"
test-digest:	test
owner-test-digest:	owner-test
test-digest-request:	"|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test-digest"
test-digest-outgoing:	:include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest

Locations referenced by the aliases above are defined in majordomo.cf.
I also use a standard alias of "nobody", defined as
nobody: /dev/null
and I add Tmajordomo to sendmail.cf or just majordomo to trusted-users
in /etc/mail, depending on what version of sendmail I am running and
the actual name/id of the majordomo user.

What does all this do?  It prevents sendmail from advertising your
-outgoing alias in the "Received:" headers of all email going out
from your lists.  You do not want users (or spammers) writing to
the listname-outgoing address directly, you want them to write to
the listname address so that resend can check your config file for
any rules about the list before delivering the message.

Dan Liston

Bob Cohen wrote:
> 
> What would this do?  Also, I seem to have created some sort of mail
> loop.  The messages seem to go out in multiples of four.  And I'm
> getting an endless stream of failures, bounces, and mailbox full
> messages from the listees' mail servers.  For the time being I removed
> nearly everyone from the address database but that doesn't seem to have
> stemmed the tide.
> 
> People are now sending very angry messages all full of capital letters.
> I feel like George Jetson on the treadmill screaming, "Jane, stop this
> crazy thing!"
> 
> Bob Cohen
> b.p.e.Creative (Design and production services for the web)
> Put creative minds to work for you.


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> I will assume you are running sendmail as your MTA, and you have root 
> privelages on the majordomo machine.  Assuming sendmail is configured 
> correctly, there are three places where bottlenecks or 
> misconfiguration can cause duplicate deliveries.

Yes I am running sendmail.  And I too am assuming that it's running
correctly because it seemed to work fine until last night.  The only
caveat being that the amount of traffic was extremely low, i.e., six
people sharing the mail server.

> 1.  Sendmail gets interrupted during a delivery and starts over from 
> the beginning.  Do you notice that people at the top of the subscriber

> file get more duplicates than those at the end?  You may need faster 
> CPU(s), more bandwidth, or perhaps a smarthost.

How can I tell more concretely if this is happening.  I looked at all my
bounced/returned/failure messages using the search feature in my mail
client in which I grabbed names from the top of the list and then ones
from the bottom.  For the most part the bounces seem more or less equal,
but not always.  For CPUs we're running two 1gig processors.  Bandwith
is 1/3 a T1, approx 500k.

> 2.   You have duplicate entries in the subscriber file itself, or
> multiple references to :include: that file in your aliases.  Do a 
> 'uniq' or a 'sort -u' on the subscriber file.  Do a 'uniq' on the 
> /etc/aliases file.

The subscriber file was my first stop on the troubleshooting express.  I
then ran the uniq as you suggested.  That said there were no duplicates
in the subscriber list or the aliases file.

> 3.  Line wrapping is getting you into trouble with your aliases file.

The line wrapping thing had to do with Outlook, not the configuration
file.  The config file is not line wrapped at all, I think.

> test-outgoing:	
> :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify

I notice your :include statement is on the next line.  Mine is on the
same line.  Does this matter? e.g., 

applicants-list:        :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/applicants

> Locations referenced by the aliases above are defined in majordomo.cf.

> I also use a standard alias of "nobody", defined as
> nobody: /dev/null

Nobody in my alias file is aliased to root.

> and I add Tmajordomo to sendmail.cf or just majordomo to
> trusted-users in /etc/mail, depending on what version of 
> sendmail I am running and the actual name/id of the majordomo user.

I'm not sure which version I'm running.  I've got RedHat 7.2.  The
server was set up just three or four months ago with, what I was given
to believe, all the latest and greatest software of that
moment--including sendmail.  I poked around the documentation and can't
seem to figure out how to determine the version.

Dan I can't begin to thank you enough for your time and generosity.
Once I get this thing sorted out, perhaps I could send you a bottle of
single-malt in appreciaton.

Bob Cohen



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On 7 Aug 2002 at 14:30, Bob Cohen wrote:

> > I will assume you are running sendmail as your MTA, and you have root 
> > privelages on the majordomo machine.  Assuming sendmail is configured 
> > correctly, there are three places where bottlenecks or 
> > misconfiguration can cause duplicate deliveries.
> 
> Yes I am running sendmail.  And I too am assuming that it's running
> correctly because it seemed to work fine until last night.  The only
> caveat being that the amount of traffic was extremely low, i.e., six
> people sharing the mail server.
> 
> > 1.  Sendmail gets interrupted during a delivery and starts over from 
> > the beginning.  Do you notice that people at the top of the subscriber
> 
> > file get more duplicates than those at the end?  You may need faster 
> > CPU(s), more bandwidth, or perhaps a smarthost.
> 
> How can I tell more concretely if this is happening.  I looked at all my
> bounced/returned/failure messages using the search feature in my mail
> client in which I grabbed names from the top of the list and then ones
> from the bottom.  For the most part the bounces seem more or less equal,
> but not always.  For CPUs we're running two 1gig processors.  Bandwith
> is 1/3 a T1, approx 500k.
> 
> > 2.   You have duplicate entries in the subscriber file itself, or
> > multiple references to :include: that file in your aliases.  Do a 
> > 'uniq' or a 'sort -u' on the subscriber file.  Do a 'uniq' on the 
> > /etc/aliases file.
> 
> The subscriber file was my first stop on the troubleshooting express.  I
> then ran the uniq as you suggested.  That said there were no duplicates
> in the subscriber list or the aliases file.
> 
> > 3.  Line wrapping is getting you into trouble with your aliases file.
> 
> The line wrapping thing had to do with Outlook, not the configuration
> file.  The config file is not line wrapped at all, I think.
> 
> > test-outgoing:	
> > :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify
> 
> I notice your :include statement is on the next line.  Mine is on the
> same line.  Does this matter? e.g., 
> 
> applicants-list:        :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/applicants
> 
> > Locations referenced by the aliases above are defined in majordomo.cf.
> 
> > I also use a standard alias of "nobody", defined as
> > nobody: /dev/null
> 
> Nobody in my alias file is aliased to root.
> 
> > and I add Tmajordomo to sendmail.cf or just majordomo to
> > trusted-users in /etc/mail, depending on what version of 
> > sendmail I am running and the actual name/id of the majordomo user.
> 
> I'm not sure which version I'm running.  I've got RedHat 7.2.  The
> server was set up just three or four months ago with, what I was given
> to believe, all the latest and greatest software of that
> moment--including sendmail.  I poked around the documentation and can't
> seem to figure out how to determine the version.
> 
> Dan I can't begin to thank you enough for your time and generosity.
> Once I get this thing sorted out, perhaps I could send you a bottle of
> single-malt in appreciaton.
> 
> Bob Cohen
> 
> 


                                 Dave C

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> How can I tell more concretely if this is happening.  I looked at all my
> bounced/returned/failure messages using the search feature in my mail
> client in which I grabbed names from the top of the list and then ones
> from the bottom.  For the most part the bounces seem more or less equal,
> but not always.  For CPUs we're running two 1gig processors.  Bandwith
> is 1/3 a T1, approx 500k.

Given the above, I think it's pretty unlikely that it's a sendmail 
restart.  Much larger mailservers have been run on less.

> > 2.   You have duplicate entries in the subscriber file itself, or
> > multiple references to :include: that file in your aliases.  Do a 
> > 'uniq' or a 'sort -u' on the subscriber file.  Do a 'uniq' on the 
> > /etc/aliases file.
> 
> The subscriber file was my first stop on the troubleshooting express.  I
> then ran the uniq as you suggested.  That said there were no duplicates
> in the subscriber list or the aliases file.

You might need to look by hand, or follow aliases through.  For 
instance, let's say you have a list "localusers", which has you in 
it.  Then you create a list "goodstuff" and subscribe yourself, then 
subscribe the list "localusers" as well.  You'll get two copies.

> > test-outgoing:	
> > :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify
> 
> I notice your :include statement is on the next line.  Mine is on the
> same line.  Does this matter? e.g., 
> 
> applicants-list:        :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/applicants

I think the wrapping was again caused by the mailer, this should all 
be on one line.

> > I also use a standard alias of "nobody", defined as
> > nobody: /dev/null
> 
> Nobody in my alias file is aliased to root.

Probably not the best idea.

> > and I add Tmajordomo to sendmail.cf or just majordomo to
> > trusted-users in /etc/mail, depending on what version of 
> > sendmail I am running and the actual name/id of the majordomo user.
> 
> I'm not sure which version I'm running.  I've got RedHat 7.2.  The
> server was set up just three or four months ago with, what I was given
> to believe, all the latest and greatest software of that
> moment--including sendmail.  I poked around the documentation and can't
> seem to figure out how to determine the version.

Find your sendmail.cf, probably in /etc/mail.  There's a line in 
there somewhere that says: 

--
# Configuration version number
DZ8.12.1
--

Or something similar.  I've never quite figured out why sendmail 
doesn't have its real version number embedded in the executable, but 
whatever, the number in the .cf is probably accurate.


P.S. Have you looked through your maillogs on sending a message?  
Anything that indicates multiple messages going out to a single 
person?  You can send me snippets of the log if you like for perusal.
                                 Dave C

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> I'm not sure which version I'm running.  I've got RedHat 7.2.  The
> server was set up just three or four months ago with, what I was given
> to believe, all the latest and greatest software of that
> moment--including sendmail.  I poked around the documentation and can't
> seem to figure out how to determine the version.

BTW:
http://www.in.redhat.com/products/linux/packages.php3
                                 Dave C

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I've created a couple of lists and see that the owner and approval emails
aliases point to someone called admin, and I'm trying to figure out where
admin emails go.  Shouldn't the owner and approval email aliases point to
the user name of the person that created the lists?

Right now, I send an email to owner-listname and it doesn't bounce, so it's
going somewhere, but I sure don't get a copy of it.  I don't remember seeing
any entry in the Config file that let's me change the owner-listname
address, although I did see the one for approval.

This is on an ISP virtual server, so I have very limited access to files on
the server outside of the web pages.

Thanks.

Robert


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The admin "alias" is dependent on your hosting service as to where
that mail is delivered.  In my case, that mail is forwarded to root
which in turn forwards to me.  If your provider offers access to the
aliases for your list, just make sure owner-listname and/or
listname-owner/listname-approval are directed to your email account.
For example:

owner-listname: me@my.domain,
listname-owner: owner-listname
listname-approval: owner-listname

Dan Liston

Robert Poldervaart wrote:
> 
> I've created a couple of lists and see that the owner and approval emails
> aliases point to someone called admin, and I'm trying to figure out where
> admin emails go.  Shouldn't the owner and approval email aliases point to
> the user name of the person that created the lists?
> 
> Right now, I send an email to owner-listname and it doesn't bounce, so it's
> going somewhere, but I sure don't get a copy of it.  I don't remember seeing
> any entry in the Config file that let's me change the owner-listname
> address, although I did see the one for approval.
> 
> This is on an ISP virtual server, so I have very limited access to files on
> the server outside of the web pages.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Robert


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> I've created a couple of lists and see that the owner and approval emails
> aliases point to someone called admin, and I'm trying to figure out where
> admin emails go.  Shouldn't the owner and approval email aliases point to
> the user name of the person that created the lists?

It's not real clear to me how you went about creating these lists.  I 
use "majorcool", but had to hand-write a utility to do the actual 
list creation for me.
 
> Right now, I send an email to owner-listname and it doesn't bounce, so it's
> going somewhere, but I sure don't get a copy of it.  I don't remember seeing
> any entry in the Config file that let's me change the owner-listname
> address, although I did see the one for approval.

owner-listname is just a sendmail alias.  My suspicion is that 
whatever utility you used to create your lists was set up by your ISP 
to forward the owner and approval things to some default address.  
You'll probably have to contact them about forwarding to the correct 
place.  

> This is on an ISP virtual server, so I have very limited access to files on
> the server outside of the web pages.

I'm guessing your ISP created the list creation routines.  To the 
best of my knowledge, majordomo doesn't have anything to do with list 
creation, alias setup, etc; this is all done manually or by writing 
scripts.

                                 Dave C

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Thanks Dan,

I think you're right.  These must be going to root or someone, obviously
though never looked at because I've sent emails to it and asked to have a
reply back, but never do.

I'll contact the ISP admin to make the changes.

Robert

~~
Robert Poldervaart
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The admin "alias" is dependent on your hosting service as to where
that mail is delivered.  In my case, that mail is forwarded to root
which in turn forwards to me.  If your provider offers access to the
aliases for your list, just make sure owner-listname and/or
listname-owner/listname-approval are directed to your email account.
For example:

owner-listname: me@my.domain,
listname-owner: owner-listname
listname-approval: owner-listname

Dan Liston



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Is there a way to add an e-mail address in the BC field whenever
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Bob Cohen wrote:
> 
> > I will assume you are running sendmail as your MTA, and you have root
> > privelages on the majordomo machine.  Assuming sendmail is configured
> > correctly, there are three places where bottlenecks or
> > misconfiguration can cause duplicate deliveries.
> 
> Yes I am running sendmail.  And I too am assuming that it's running
> correctly because it seemed to work fine until last night.  The only
> caveat being that the amount of traffic was extremely low, i.e., six
> people sharing the mail server.

You can tell what version of sendmail you are using by 'telnet 0 25' on
the sendmail server you are checking.  The banner message will/should
provide version information.  Exit the session with the 'quit' command.

Since you have redhat 7.2, I am sure your sendmail is new enough to use 
the /etc/mail/trusted-users file.
> 
> > 1.  Sendmail gets interrupted during a delivery and starts over from
> > the beginning.  Do you notice that people at the top of the subscriber
> > file get more duplicates than those at the end?  You may need faster
> > CPU(s), more bandwidth, or perhaps a smarthost.
> 
> How can I tell more concretely if this is happening.  I looked at all my
> bounced/returned/failure messages using the search feature in my mail
> client in which I grabbed names from the top of the list and then ones
> from the bottom.  For the most part the bounces seem more or less equal,
> but not always.  For CPUs we're running two 1gig processors.  Bandwith
> is 1/3 a T1, approx 500k.

Again, I have to assume you have root access to this machine.  Issuing
the 'mailq' command will let you know how backlogged your queue is.  A
slow DNS response can also cause slow delivery.  Unless your lists are
many thousands of subscribers large, I doubt this or CPU would be your
bottleneck.  I thought the problem was duplicates rather than bounces.
This is an entirely different issue.  Bounces are typically network 
(DNS or bandwidth) related, or just a matter of how "clean" your lists
membership addresses are.
> 
> > 2.   You have duplicate entries in the subscriber file itself, or
> > multiple references to :include: that file in your aliases.  Do a
> > 'uniq' or a 'sort -u' on the subscriber file.  Do a 'uniq' on the
> > /etc/aliases file.
> 
> The subscriber file was my first stop on the troubleshooting express.  I
> then ran the uniq as you suggested.  That said there were no duplicates
> in the subscriber list or the aliases file.

Don't forget, unix is case sensitive, and sendmail translates domains
and aliases, not to mention forwarding too.  In other words, 
dliston@sonny.org would be uniq to dliston@mail.sonny.org, and uniq to
dliston@Sonny.ORG, but the addresses are really the same (in this case).
> 
> > 3.  Line wrapping is getting you into trouble with your aliases file.
> 
> The line wrapping thing had to do with Outlook, not the configuration
> file.  The config file is not line wrapped at all, I think.
> 
> > test-outgoing:
> > :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify
> 
> I notice your :include statement is on the next line.  Mine is on the
> same line.  Does this matter? e.g.,
> 
> applicants-list:        :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/applicants

Just another case of line wrapping (or the display while reading) the
message.  I wrote a message to this list in the last 24 hours regarding
the aliases file and line wraps.  If you need me to dig it up for you,
just ask.
> 
> > Locations referenced by the aliases above are defined in majordomo.cf.
> > I also use a standard alias of "nobody", defined as
> > nobody: /dev/null
> 
> Nobody in my alias file is aliased to root.

This is ok, BUT, root would get a copy of every message sent to 
every list if you implemented my sample resend alias on your lists.
Probably not a good idea.
> 
> > and I add Tmajordomo to sendmail.cf or just majordomo to
> > trusted-users in /etc/mail, depending on what version of
> > sendmail I am running and the actual name/id of the majordomo user.
> 
> I'm not sure which version I'm running.  I've got RedHat 7.2.  The
> server was set up just three or four months ago with, what I was given
> to believe, all the latest and greatest software of that
> moment--including sendmail.  I poked around the documentation and can't
> seem to figure out how to determine the version.

I answered this above, but this implies that you added majordomo as
a separate package.  Hopefully with the .rpm from the redhat 6.1
powertools update.  You might also be interested in my newlist3.pl
script.  Take a look at 
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/newlist3.pl.gz

> 
> Dan I can't begin to thank you enough for your time and generosity.
> Once I get this thing sorted out, perhaps I could send you a bottle of
> single-malt in appreciaton.

Thank you for the kudos and the offer.  If you are serious, catch me
offline for my snail mail address. :)
> 
> Bob Cohen


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Does anybody know of a list or web site that is
good for announcing new lists? There used to be
a listserv list called NEWLIST but I think it's
long gone. Thanks for any advice!

--
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Your non-plain-text messages are still HOSING my
email client pretty badly when I try to quote
the original message into my reply.  I wonder if
I should report a bug to Netscape, mozilla, or
Novell Groupwise.  I even have to cut&paste when 
I use pine.  Bummer.

Anyway,

>Is there a way to add an e-mail address in the BC 
>field whenever Majordomo responds to a command? So, 
>the person who sent the command would get the 
>reponse along with a second address in the BC field.

The answer here is, this would require modifying
the majordomo script(s).  It would be easier for
you to get a copy of the majordomo request than
the majordomo response by adding yourself to the
RHS of the majordomo: alias.  Would this be enough,
or do you actually need Bcc'd on the responses?

majordomo: "|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper majordomo",you@your.domain

Dan Liston


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> You can tell what version of sendmail you are using by
> 'telnet 0 25' on the sendmail server you are checking.  The 

Sendmail is 8.11.6

> Since you have redhat 7.2, I am sure your sendmail is new
> enough to use 
> the /etc/mail/trusted-users file.

> Again, I have to assume you have root access to this machine.
>  Issuing the 'mailq' command will let you know how backlogged 
> your queue is.  A slow DNS response can also cause slow 

I do have root access.  There are currently 68 requests in the queue. Is
it possible to clear the the queue?  If so how?

> bounces. This is an entirely different issue.  Bounces are
> typically network 
> (DNS or bandwidth) related, or just a matter of how "clean" 
> your lists membership addresses are.

This I know and was expecting some bounces.  I wasn't expecting the
failues and all the other messages.

> Don't forget, unix is case sensitive, and sendmail translates
> domains and aliases, not to mention forwarding too.  In other words, 
> dliston@sonny.org would be uniq to dliston@mail.sonny.org, 
> and uniq to dliston@Sonny.ORG, but the addresses are really 
> the same (in this case).

The e-mail addresses came from a membership database file, not from the
traditional sources.

> Just another case of line wrapping (or the display while
> reading) the message.  I wrote a message to this list in the 
> last 24 hours regarding the aliases file and line wraps.  If 
> you need me to dig it up for you, just ask.

Thanks.  I think I'm all set for now.

> > Nobody in my alias file is aliased to root.
> 
> This is ok, BUT, root would get a copy of every message sent to
> every list if you implemented my sample resend alias on your 
> lists. Probably not a good idea.

I'll make this adjustment ASAP.

> interested in my newlist3.pl script.  Take a look at
> ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/newlist3.pl.gz

Thanks I just downloaded it.

> Thank you for the kudos and the offer.  If you are serious,
> catch me offline for my snail mail address. :)

I'm not kidding.  Stick with me kid and the bottle's yours.  

What caused this mess in the first place AND how can I make sure it
doesn't happen again?  I finally had to resort to deleting the mailing
list.  The death threats exceeded my level of tolerance <g>.  Seriously,
I pissed off a lot of people today.  I need to make sure that the list
is really working the next time.

I think I mentioned that I am using Webmin to set up the list.  It seems
to do everything.  I just don't know what happened.

Bob Cohen
b.p.e.Creative (Design and production services for the web)
Put creative minds to work for you. 
> You can tell what version of sendmail you are using by
> 'telnet 0 25' on the sendmail server you are checking.  The 

Sendmail is 8.11.6

> Since you have redhat 7.2, I am sure your sendmail is new
> enough to use 
> the /etc/mail/trusted-users file.

> Again, I have to assume you have root access to this machine.
>  Issuing the 'mailq' command will let you know how backlogged 
> your queue is.  A slow DNS response can also cause slow 

I do have root access.  There are currently 68 requests in the queue. Is
it possible to clear the the queue?  If so how?

> bounces. This is an entirely different issue.  Bounces are
> typically network 
> (DNS or bandwidth) related, or just a matter of how "clean" 
> your lists membership addresses are.

This I know and was expecting some bounces.  I wasn't expecting the
failues and all the other messages.

> Don't forget, unix is case sensitive, and sendmail translates
> domains and aliases, not to mention forwarding too.  In other words, 
> dliston@sonny.org would be uniq to dliston@mail.sonny.org, 
> and uniq to dliston@Sonny.ORG, but the addresses are really 
> the same (in this case).

The e-mail addresses came from a membership database file, not from the
traditional sources.

> Just another case of line wrapping (or the display while
> reading) the message.  I wrote a message to this list in the 
> last 24 hours regarding the aliases file and line wraps.  If 
> you need me to dig it up for you, just ask.

Thanks.  I think I'm all set for now.

> > Nobody in my alias file is aliased to root.
> 
> This is ok, BUT, root would get a copy of every message sent to
> every list if you implemented my sample resend alias on your 
> lists. Probably not a good idea.

I'll make this adjustment ASAP.

> interested in my newlist3.pl script.  Take a look at
> ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/newlist3.pl.gz

Thanks I just downloaded it.

> Thank you for the kudos and the offer.  If you are serious,
> catch me offline for my snail mail address. :)

I'm not kidding.  Stick with me kid and the bottle's yours.  

What caused this mess in the first place AND how can I make sure it
doesn't happen again?  I finally had to resort to deleting the mailing
list.  The death threats exceeded my level of tolerance <g>.  Seriously,
I pissed off a lot of people today.  I need to make sure that the list
is really working the next time.

I think I mentioned that I am using Webmin to set up the list.  It seems
to do everything.  I just don't know what happened.

Bob Cohen
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> I do have root access.  There are currently 68 requests in the queue. Is
> it possible to clear the the queue?  If so how?

As the root user, `sendmail -q &` should clear 68 messages fairly
quickly.
> 
> > Don't forget, unix is case sensitive, and sendmail translates
> > domains and aliases, not to mention forwarding too.  In other words,
> > dliston@sonny.org would be uniq to dliston@mail.sonny.org,
> > and uniq to dliston@Sonny.ORG, but the addresses are really
> > the same (in this case).
> 
> The e-mail addresses came from a membership database file, not from the
> traditional sources.

Hmmm, were they extracted from the database and converted into a 
plain text file with permissions that majordomo and sendmail can
use natively?

> > interested in my newlist3.pl script.  Take a look at
> > ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/newlist3.pl.gz
> 
> Thanks I just downloaded it.

Tar -xvzf the file, then open it in an editor.  If you have
questions after reading through it, fire me another email.
> 
> > Thank you for the kudos and the offer.  If you are serious,
> > catch me offline for my snail mail address. 
> 
> I'm not kidding.  Stick with me kid and the bottle's yours.

I've seldom/never been one to pass on an offer of single malt. :)
> 
> What caused this mess in the first place AND how can I make sure it
> doesn't happen again?  I finally had to resort to deleting the mailing
> list.  The death threats exceeded my level of tolerance <g>.  Seriously,
> I pissed off a lot of people today.  I need to make sure that the list
> is really working the next time.

I am really curious about the database extraction thing... Who knows.
> 
> I think I mentioned that I am using Webmin to set up the list.  It seems
> to do everything.  I just don't know what happened.

I have never used a GUI to admin anything.  I hear webmin is 
pretty good.  Hard for me to say what happened either.

Dan Liston


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To: "Frank Rizulo" <RIZULOF@newschool.edu>
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:54:30 -0400
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> Is there a way toadd an e-mail address inthe BC field whenever 
> Majordomo responds to a command?So,the person who sent the command 
> would get the reponse along with a second address in the BC field.

I assume you mean Bcc, and yes, there's a generic method for adding 
headers in the config file.  Take a look at the "message_headers" 
option.

AFAICT this will just create a Bcc header, I don't think there's a 
facility for adding to an existing Bcc.
                                 Dave C

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David Corlette          mailto:corlette@huarp.harvard.edu
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> I do have root access.  There are currently 68 requests in the queue. Is
> it possible to clear the the queue?  If so how?

# sendmail -q

Note also that sendmail keeps track of "host status" in a directory 
somewhere (/var/log/sendmail/hoststat on my system).  Once it marks a 
host as unreachable, it takes some time to clear that setting and 
sendmail -q will just skip messages for those hosts.  Sometimes I 
just delete the relevant host entries in hoststat and sendmail 
retries then.
                                 Dave C

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David Corlette          mailto:corlette@huarp.harvard.edu
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On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, David Corlette wrote to Bob Cohen:

> Note also that sendmail keeps track of "host status" in a directory
> somewhere (/var/log/sendmail/hoststat on my system).  Once it marks a
> host as unreachable, it takes some time to clear that setting and
> sendmail -q will just skip messages for those hosts.  Sometimes I just
> delete the relevant host entries in hoststat and sendmail retries then.

He may not have a host status directory.  The HostStatusDirectory option
is not enabled by default in most versions of Sendmail because it creates
performance issues on extremely busy underpowered servers.  Easy way to
tell is to run the hoststat command (same as sendmail -bh) as root.  If
you get output, HostStatusDirectory is enabled.  Or look for a line
something like this in sendmail.cf:

# persistent host status directory
#O HostStatusDirectory=.hoststat

If the option is commented out as above, or if no directory name is
stated, or if the ConnectionCacheSize option is set to zero, then the
HostStatusDirectory option is disabled.

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> As the root user, `sendmail -q &` should clear 68 messages 
> fairly quickly.

Being fundamentally ignorant of Linux and its wily ways I am, once
again, stymied.  I entered sendmail -q &`, as you suggested and got
lines that seemed like a continuation of the command line.

E.g.,

[root@narsil root]# sendmail -q &`
>   	(The > is put in by the system, not my e-mail client)

No doubt there's more but . . . .

> Hmmm, were they extracted from the database and converted into a 
> plain text file with permissions that majordomo and sendmail 
> can use natively?

Actually, what I did was an Access query on a FoxPro dbf using ODBC with
output to a flat text file that contained a lot of trailing spaces.  I
stripped the spaces using WordPerfect's search/replace.  Then I saved
that file as a flat text file after which I block copied the text file's
contents and inserted them into the place in Webmin where you can edit
the mailing list database by hand.  Then I saved the file, in this case,
called nbta.  Then I sent out an announcement to the list whereupon the
complaints rolled in about receiving everything in quadruplicate.

Does majordomo automatically send a copy of each message to both the
list and each e-mail address?  That would account for the duplicates.

> > > interested in my newlist3.pl script.  Take a look at 
> > > ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/newlist3.pl.gz

I downloaded the script to my WinDoze box and examined it.  I put it in
the majordomo directory and tried running the script.  Here's what I
got:

A list will be created as test@narsil.nbtanet.org
This list will try to use  for data.
cannot open  for read.

> I've seldom/never been one to pass on an offer of single malt. :)

Send me your address off list.

> I am really curious about the database extraction thing... Who knows.

Explained above, I think.

> I have never used a GUI to admin anything.  I hear webmin is 
> pretty good.  Hard for me to say what happened either.

How do I prevent this from happening again?  I REALLY pissed off a lot
of people yesterday.

Bob Cohen
b.p.e.Creative (Design and production services for the web)
Put creative minds to work for you.



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From: "David Corlette" <corlette@huarp.harvard.edu>
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> Being fundamentally ignorant of Linux and its wily ways I am, once
> again, stymied.  I entered sendmail -q &`, as you suggested and got
> lines that seemed like a continuation of the command line.

This is going to be tough for you.  Pick up a UNIX shell tutorial 
book, or it's going to be a pain.

Just remove the quotes, they're just there for prettiness in the e-
mail.  Your entire command line should look like:

# sendmail -q &

All the '&' does, BTW, is put the command in the background so you 
don't have to wait for it to finish (e.g. the shell prompt returns 
immediately).  You can leave it off if you like.

Also, if you ever run into the situation where you've accidentally 
put a quote or something on a line, and the shell asks for more, try 
just terminating the quote, e.g.:
# sendmail -q &'
> '

The shell expects these things in pairs, and assumes that you aren't 
done until it sees the 2nd one.  	Of course, backticks are a 
different story...

> Actually, what I did was an Access query on a FoxPro dbf...
> Then I sent out an announcement to the list whereupon the
> complaints rolled in about receiving everything in quadruplicate.

Good lord, I'd rather shoot myself.  So much for automation.

Try taking a look at the list file by hand, e.g. in vi or vedit or 
pico or emacs, or whatever you actually know how to use (vi will be 
present on your system, but is tough on the unwary.  Hint: <Esc>, :, 
q, <Enter>).  Webmin may have done something very strange.

> 
> Does majordomo automatically send a copy of each message to both the
> list and each e-mail address?  That would account for the duplicates.

Er, what does that mean?  You should send to the list, simple as 
that, the list name gets *replaced by* the list of names in the list 
file.  If you also have everybody's name in your To: field, of course 
they're going to get multiple copies.

> > > > interested in my newlist3.pl script.  Take a look at 
> > > > ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/newlist3.pl.gz
> 
> I downloaded the script to my WinDoze box and examined it.  I put it in
> the majordomo directory and tried running the script.  Here's what I
> got:
> 
> A list will be created as test@narsil.nbtanet.org
> This list will try to use  for data.
> cannot open  for read.

The script won't work for you unless you've set up your system to 
match.  You would have to edit it to reflect your local environment, 
which I suspect you aren't quite up to, since it's written in Perl.


> > I have never used a GUI to admin anything.  I hear webmin is 
> > pretty good.  Hard for me to say what happened either.
> 
> How do I prevent this from happening again?  I REALLY pissed off a lot
> of people yesterday.

Well, we don't know what caused it yet.  Try a similar operation but 
only put yourself and a couple other people who won't mind in the new 
list, and see if it happens again.  It always helps to test before 
you go to production ;)

In the meantime, you have a lot of reading to do on basic UNIX 
sysadmin stuff.  It might seem a bit of a PITA at first, but once you 
get used to it, you'll think "why the heck did I ever do this in 
Windows?"  Heh heh.

P.S. If you want to attach your aliases file(s), your list files, or 
anything else to an e-mail and send them to me, I can check them over 
for you.
                                 Dave C

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    David,

    It might be nice if you didn't CC to the list. It makes managing and
deleting mails from this list very hard.

    -b




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My server owner just upgraded from 1.94.3 to 1.94.5.
Blank subject lines sent to lists that have a
subject_prefix enabled still do not get a subject
tag placed into the subject when the message is
distributed. This was supposed to be an enhancement
in 1.94.5.

Any suggestions will be appreciated!

Jay O'Brien



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Perhaps I'm dense this week...

I setup majordomo a few years back and I got it working then (but this
is now)...

I got MD installed just fine...it works...but for the life of me I
cannot find 'idiot' instructions on how to setup a list...wait..let me
clarify..

Apparently there is a 'master' passwd for the 'majordomo' owner..and I
cannot figure out how to set this <-- better question

So I'm stuck not being able to create a new list (using the config cmd).
I've read the NEWLIST/README/FAQ/MAN/DOC/etc a few times (last hours
worth or so) thinking I'm missing something and I cant find what I'm
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Help?

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Hi all,

new to list and majordomo (having inherited the system). And of course got a
problem.

Trying to send out to a list we have created, we get: (and I've substituted
realnames with "<list...>")


Aug 06 18:03:16 <listserver> resend[21544] {<listname>} ABORT Mailer
/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -oee 
-f <owner-listname>@<listserver> <listname>-outgoing exited unexpectedly
with error 65535


Google search reveals little about this problem. Also searched for meaning
of the "wrappers" pgm syntax, to no avail.

So: 

1) the mail list is 248,000+ 
2) aliases file says:
<listname>: "| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -A -a
/usr/local/lists/<listname>.passwd -M 10000 -R -l <listname> -f <list>-owner
-h <listserver> -s <listname-outgoing>"


My Questions:
 
Any advice on where to find the syntax meaning of wrappers?
My guess is the list is too big. Any suggestions on list sizes?

Notes: 

this majordomo is ~3 years old
OS is BSDI BSD/OS 4.0.1 (1999)


Any suggestions gratefully accepted

cheers
Graham


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Try the patch at ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/resend.1

andy

Jay O'Brien wrote:
> My server owner just upgraded from 1.94.3 to 1.94.5.
> Blank subject lines sent to lists that have a
> subject_prefix enabled still do not get a subject
> tag placed into the subject when the message is
> distributed. This was supposed to be an enhancement
> in 1.94.5.
> 
> Any suggestions will be appreciated!
> 
> Jay O'Brien
> 
> 
> 
> 




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> Aug 06 18:03:16 <listserver> resend[21544] {<listname>} ABORT Mailer
> /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -oee 
> -f <owner-listname>@<listserver> <listname>-outgoing exited unexpectedly
> with error 65535
> 
> Google search reveals little about this problem. Also searched for meaning
> of the "wrappers" pgm syntax, to no avail.

The "wrapper" program does nothing but run the following argument in 
a safe environment.  That's probably not relevant.  You should be 
looking at the man page for "resend".

> 1) the mail list is 248,000+ 

That's BIG!

> 2) aliases file says:
> <listname>: "| /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -A -a
> /usr/local/lists/<listname>.passwd -M 10000 -R -l <listname> -f <list>-owner
> -h <listserver> -s <listname-outgoing>"

That all looks fine, although most of that info is now in the 
<listname>.config file, at least with modern version of majordomo.

> My Questions:
>  
> Any advice on where to find the syntax meaning of wrappers?

No need, look at resend.  Wrapper's syntax is just:
wrapper program [args]

> My guess is the list is too big. Any suggestions on list sizes?

No idea, but as an experiment you could split the list into several 
other lists, then make a master list that just resends to the 
sublists.

> Notes: 
> 
> this majordomo is ~3 years old
> OS is BSDI BSD/OS 4.0.1 (1999)

You could try upgrading your majordomo to the latest.  Also, the 
error you are getting is actually from sendmail (thus the "sendmail 
... exited unexpectedly with error 65535"), so it might be worth 
testing that a little more rigorously.  In other words, try invoking 
sendmail interactively, maybe try it while sudo'd to the majordomo 
user, maybe try sending to the list directly.  In other words, I 
think your problem lies with sendmail, not majordomo.
                                 Dave C

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I've never heard of a "master" password, although I suppose it's 
possible that it does exist.  But I did run across something that was 
pretty confusing a while back, which might be relevant at some point:
The list config itself supports two passwords.  One is the 
"admin_passwd" field in <listname>.config, the other is just put in 
the file <listname>.passwd.  Both of these passwords will 
subsequently work for modifying the list.

As for creating lists, I use majorcool and a custom script that 
creates the appropriate files and aliases.  I'm pretty sure that 
majordomo won't create the appropriate aliases for you, so you'll 
need to do some editting by hand anyway.  A recent posting provided a 
link to a "list creation" script; maybe you should start there.  I'm 
also willing to send you mine, but my config is quite a bit more 
complex (several virtual hosts with separate alias files, 
virtusertable wackiness, etc).

At a minimum, you need to create the list file itself, and add the 
appropriate aliases (list:, list-outgoing:, owner-list:, etc) to the 
sendmail aliases files.  You can either create the config file from a 
template or issue a "writeconfig ...".

> I got MD installed just fine...it works...but for the life of me I
> cannot find 'idiot' instructions on how to setup a list...wait..let me
> clarify..
> 
> Apparently there is a 'master' passwd for the 'majordomo' owner..and I
> cannot figure out how to set this <-- better question
> 
> So I'm stuck not being able to create a new list (using the config cmd).
> I've read the NEWLIST/README/FAQ/MAN/DOC/etc a few times (last hours
> worth or so) thinking I'm missing something and I cant find what I'm
> looking for.

                                 Dave C

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Thank you very much!

Thus apparently the "fix" already in 1.94.5 didn't work?

Will my server owner know how to apply this patch, or is there some
instructions I should include with the patch when I send it to him?

Jay O'Brien



Andrew Beverley wrote:
> Try the patch at ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/resend.1
> 
> andy
> 
> Jay O'Brien wrote:
>> My server owner just upgraded from 1.94.3 to 1.94.5.
>> Blank subject lines sent to lists that have a
>> subject_prefix enabled still do not get a subject
>> tag placed into the subject when the message is
>> distributed. This was supposed to be an enhancement
>> in 1.94.5.
>> 
>> Any suggestions will be appreciated!
>> 
>> Jay O'Brien
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 




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Sorry I'm not sure as I haven't applied it myself yet. I think it's just 
a matter of replacing/adding the appropriate lines in the majordomo.pl 
file with the ones in the patch, but I stand to be corrected.

Jay O'Brien wrote:
> Thank you very much!
> 
> Thus apparently the "fix" already in 1.94.5 didn't work?
> 
> Will my server owner know how to apply this patch, or is there some
> instructions I should include with the patch when I send it to him?
> 
> Jay O'Brien
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew Beverley wrote:
> 
>>Try the patch at ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/resend.1
>>
>>andy
>>
>>Jay O'Brien wrote:
>>
>>>My server owner just upgraded from 1.94.3 to 1.94.5.
>>>Blank subject lines sent to lists that have a
>>>subject_prefix enabled still do not get a subject
>>>tag placed into the subject when the message is
>>>distributed. This was supposed to be an enhancement
>>>in 1.94.5.
>>>
>>>Any suggestions will be appreciated!
>>>
>>>Jay O'Brien
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 




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That's what it looks like to me, but I have no experience whatsoever
with perl. Hopefully someone else can add some clarification.

Jay O'Brien

Andrew Beverley wrote:
> Sorry I'm not sure as I haven't applied it myself yet. I think it's just 
> a matter of replacing/adding the appropriate lines in the majordomo.pl 
> file with the ones in the patch, but I stand to be corrected.
> 
> Jay O'Brien wrote:
>> Thank you very much!
>> 
>> Thus apparently the "fix" already in 1.94.5 didn't work?
>> 
>> Will my server owner know how to apply this patch, or is there some
>> instructions I should include with the patch when I send it to him?
>> 
>> Jay O'Brien
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andrew Beverley wrote:
>> 
>>>Try the patch at ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/resend.1
>>>
>>>andy
>>>
>>>Jay O'Brien wrote:
>>>
>>>>My server owner just upgraded from 1.94.3 to 1.94.5.
>>>>Blank subject lines sent to lists that have a
>>>>subject_prefix enabled still do not get a subject
>>>>tag placed into the subject when the message is
>>>>distributed. This was supposed to be an enhancement
>>>>in 1.94.5.
>>>>
>>>>Any suggestions will be appreciated!
>>>>
>>>>Jay O'Brien
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




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I have one subscriber who is not receiving messages. She is definitely subs=
cribed. She receives email directly from me, and can even send to the list,=
 but she receives nothing. It is a new condition. She used to receive messa=
ges, but it suddenly stopped. Sent a test message yesterday. It was receive=
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Any ideas?


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I have a listowner who wants to be able to restrict the list from seeing se=
nder email addresses.

For one list, she wants their first 10 posts to be anonymous.

For the other, she wants their first six months to be anonymous.

These are psych-related lists, so the restrictions are for the protection o=
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Any ideas on how to do it?

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> Sorry I'm not sure as I haven't applied it myself yet. I think it's just 
> a matter of replacing/adding the appropriate lines in the majordomo.pl 
> file with the ones in the patch, but I stand to be corrected.

It's a standard diff, so basically you use the "patch" command to 
apply it.  Something like:

# cd /opt/majordomo   ( or wherever resend is )
# patch < /path/to/patch/resend.1

If any of the patches fail, you can do them manually, but this should 
be easier.
                                 Dave C

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On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Rex Goode wrote:

> I have one subscriber who is not receiving messages. She is definitely
> subscribed. She receives email directly from me, and can even send to
> the list, but she receives nothing. It is a new condition. She used to
> receive messages, but it suddenly stopped. Sent a test message
> yesterday. It was received. Other subscribers responded. She didn't
> see any of it.
>
> Any ideas?

probably new antispam software at her ISP


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Wonderful. That's exactly what I was looking for. I'm sure my server
owner knows how to apply the patch, but I would like my request to be
complete, even if it is a little "overkill".

Jay O'Brien


David Corlette wrote:
>> Sorry I'm not sure as I haven't applied it myself yet. I think it's just 
>> a matter of replacing/adding the appropriate lines in the majordomo.pl 
>> file with the ones in the patch, but I stand to be corrected.
> 
> It's a standard diff, so basically you use the "patch" command to 
> apply it.  Something like:
> 
> # cd /opt/majordomo   ( or wherever resend is )
> # patch < /path/to/patch/resend.1
> 
> If any of the patches fail, you can do them manually, but this should 
> be easier.
>                                  Dave C
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> David Corlette          mailto:corlette@huarp.harvard.edu
> (617)495-5922           http://www-arp.harvard.edu
> 
> 




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Definately NOT message_headers.  MAYBE message_fronter.
You could either modify majordomo code, or you could
write a script that plugs-in or replaces the text in
your listname.config file on a daily/nightly basis.

Dan Liston

PS.  Please us text/plain instead of text/html when
posting to a mailing list.

> Rex Goode wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to have the message_headers variable in the config file run a program to give a new message of the day at the top of each message?
> 
> Rex
>


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> Is there a way to have the message_headers variable in the config 
> file run a program to give a new message of the day at the top of 
> each message?

Probably you don't want "message_headers" but instead 
"message_fronter".  And as far as I can tell, there's no easy way to 
do this, although it probably wouldn't be super tricky to make a 
custom version of "resend" to do this.  Or maybe write a simple 
script that preprocesses the mail before you send it to resend? 
                                 Dave C

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The real question would be, if any sender of mail to the list
receives a copy of what they sent.  Have you made any changes
that coincide with when this started happening?  Do the MTA
log files show that the message was sent to her address?  Is
her address or any of her aliases listed in any filters?  Is 
the affected user the list-owner?

Dan Liston

PS. Please use "plain text" when posting to mailing lists.
HTML ugliness is not compatible with all email clients.

> Rex Goode wrote:
> 
> I have one subscriber who is not receiving messages. She is definitely subscribed. She receives email directly from me, and can even send to the list, but she receives nothing. It is a new condition. She used to receive messages, but it suddenly stopped. Sent a test message yesterday. It was received. Other subscribers responded. She didn't see any of it.
> 
> Any ideas?
>


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Set the list up as a moderated list.  Posts would have to 
be approved then resubmitted by the list owner/moderator, 
and this person would also be able to remove original sender 
information or replace it with "anonymous" in the process.

Getting that person trained to handle moderating the list
is another story...

Dan Liston

> Rex Goode wrote:
> 
> I have a listowner who wants to be able to restrict the list from seeing sender email addresses.
> 
> For one list, she wants their first 10 posts to be anonymous.
> 
> For the other, she wants their first six months to be anonymous.
> 
> These are psych-related lists, so the restrictions are for the protection of the group.
> 
> Any ideas on how to do it?
> 
> Rex
>


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Being totally new to this list and the Cobalt RaQ4 Internet appliance, I'm
finding myself in need of a little help.  I have several lists up and runni=
ng
on the RaQ4 under Linux/Majordomo, but can't seem to get a digested (and
archives) version of those lists running.  Is anyone else on this list using
this system and have it working?  If so, could you ~please~ send me the
configs/directory structure your using?  I'd be most grateful!!  ...as would
my subscribers! <g>  Thanks in advance for any assistance in getting this
working.
-John Pearson
 Colorado College ITS
 jpearson@coloradocollege.edu


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Have you tried looking at...
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/archive-Digest-HOW-TO.1

If this does not specifically solve your problem, please let
me know so I can make any necessary corrections to the doc.

Dan Liston

John Pearson wrote:
> 
> Being totally new to this list and the Cobalt RaQ4 Internet appliance, I'm
> finding myself in need of a little help.  I have several lists up and running
> on the RaQ4 under Linux/Majordomo, but can't seem to get a digested (and
> archives) version of those lists running.  Is anyone else on this list using
> this system and have it working?  If so, could you ~please~ send me the
> configs/directory structure your using?  I'd be most grateful!!  ...as would
> my subscribers! <g>  Thanks in advance for any assistance in getting this
> working.
> -John Pearson
>  Colorado College ITS
>  jpearson@coloradocollege.edu


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-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Goode
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Sent: 8/9/02 11:56 AM
Subject: One Subscriber Not Receiving

I have one subscriber who is not receiving messages. She is definitely
subscribed. She receives email directly from me, and can even send to
the list, but she receives nothing. It is a new condition. She used to
receive messages, but it suddenly stopped. Sent a test message
yesterday. It was received. Other subscribers responded. She didn't see
any of it.
 
Any ideas?
 
--------------

Possibilities:

1. Her ISP/firewall is blocking or filtering messages from the list.
   Are you using bulk-mailer? Are you adding any custom headers
   to the list's messages?

2. She has a mail filtering rule that is either discarding
   the message from the list or moving it to a folder
   separate from her INBOX.

These two poswibilities would be consistent with you being
able to send her an individual message but her not receiving
(or apparrently not receiving) mail from the list.


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This didn't seem to post to the list, oh well.

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: -----Original Message-----
:From: 	John C. Carson=20=20
:Sent:	Friday, August 09, 2002 8:56 AM
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:
:Odd thing here...
:
:I'm running 1.94.5 on FBSD w/ sendmail 8.12
:
:So on a 'test' list I set the following:
:
:message_footer      <<  END=20
:--
:you are subscribed to $LIST@atlasta.net, to unsubscribe send email
:to majordomo@atlasta.net with unsubscribe $LIST in the BODY
:END resend
:
:I myself have an exchange server at my house for me and my=20
:roomates. So outlook (in all of MS's wisdom </sarcasm>) like=20
:to send in 'rich text' by default (I know you can change it).=20
:However it's hard to convince the 'masses' to change things.=20
:So anyways, when I send a message to the list in 'plain text'=20
:the message footer comes across perfect; but if it's set on=20
:'HTML' or 'rich text' the message_footer is not appended. I'm=20
:setting up this test list as a 'test/break/fix' list before I=20
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:My question (since the searchable archives are no longer=20
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Is she an AOL subscriber?

We regularly have AOL subscribers who do not get mail. We change the 
position of the particular subscriber in the list and it goes through. I 
THINK the reason is that AOL will not accept more than an unknown number 
of messages at a time.

If anyone knows how to get SENDMAIL to limit the number of messages sent 
to Aol.com at one time, I would appreciate the information.



On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Rex Goode wrote:

> I have one subscriber who is not receiving messages. She is definitely subs=
> cribed. She receives email directly from me, and can even send to the list,=
> but she receives nothing. It is a new condition. She used to receive messa=
> ges, but it suddenly stopped. Sent a test message yesterday. It was receive=
> d. Other subscribers responded. She didn't see any of it.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 


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From: <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
To: Ezra Bick <ebick@etzion.org.il>
Cc: Rex Goode <rexgoode@msn.com>, <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Re: One Subscriber Not Receiving
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91-heb-2.05.1020811120539.18324B-100000@etzion.org.il>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0208111254450.22826-100000@frank.ourldsfamily.com>
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I use bulk_mailer with the source code changed. I've also set the number of
domains and recipients to a lower number. The nice (very nice) side effect
of this is that I can now send 3500 emails out in about 3 minutes where
before it took 15 minutes.

Search for bulk_mailer at google. It's free.

--
Karl L. Pearson
Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
Senior Consulting Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml

On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Ezra Bick wrote:

>Is she an AOL subscriber?
>
>We regularly have AOL subscribers who do not get mail. We change the
>position of the particular subscriber in the list and it goes through. I
>THINK the reason is that AOL will not accept more than an unknown number
>of messages at a time.
>
>If anyone knows how to get SENDMAIL to limit the number of messages sent
>to Aol.com at one time, I would appreciate the information.
>
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Rex Goode wrote:
>
>> I have one subscriber who is not receiving messages. She is definitely subs=
>> cribed. She receives email directly from me, and can even send to the list,=
>> but she receives nothing. It is a new condition. She used to receive messa=
>> ges, but it suddenly stopped. Sent a test message yesterday. It was receive=
>> d. Other subscribers responded. She didn't see any of it.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>



From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sun Aug 11 12:52:02 2002
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From: Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org>
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To: "John C. Carson" <jcarson@atlasta.org>
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
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Here's the scoop John.  Majordomo is not MIME aware.  In order
for your message_fronter or message_footer to work, you need to
modify the actual MIME content of the HTML messages, OR your can
"demime" the messages before they get to the list, and send them
back out converted to plain text.  

Take a look at this URL.
http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html

If you demime the messages before majordomo sees them, you will
be doing the world a big favor.  I no longer maintain any large
lists, but I recall this solving problem HTML mail from outlook
and AOL users.

The majordomo-users list is also archived at 
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=majordomo-users&r=1&w=2
which can be searched by message subject, authors, and bodies.
This message from Ed Kasky may be useful if you use smrsh.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=majordomo-users&m=98567393726775&w=2

BTW, the END statement to message_footer in your test.config 
should not have any words after it.  (hint "resend")

Dan Liston

"John C. Carson" wrote:
> 
> This didn't seem to post to the list, oh well.
> 
>  ---
> | John Carson ~ jcarson@atlasta.net
> | Atlasta.Net Managed Services
> | PO Box 7006 Shoreline Washington 98133 USA
> | PGP Finger Print: 5D6D CF3E 2557 06DB 47C5 BEEF C1B0 DC12 0199 3D31
> `--------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> : -----Original Message-----
> :From:  John C. Carson
> :Sent:  Friday, August 09, 2002 8:56 AM
> :To:    'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'
> :Subject:       Message_footer
> :
> :Odd thing here...
> :
> :I'm running 1.94.5 on FBSD w/ sendmail 8.12
> :
> :So on a 'test' list I set the following:
> :
> :message_footer      <<  END
> :--
> :you are subscribed to $LIST@atlasta.net, to unsubscribe send email
> :to majordomo@atlasta.net with unsubscribe $LIST in the BODY
> :END resend
> :
> :I myself have an exchange server at my house for me and my
> :roomates. So outlook (in all of MS's wisdom </sarcasm>) like
> :to send in 'rich text' by default (I know you can change it).
> :However it's hard to convince the 'masses' to change things.
> :So anyways, when I send a message to the list in 'plain text'
> :the message footer comes across perfect; but if it's set on
> :'HTML' or 'rich text' the message_footer is not appended. I'm
> :setting up this test list as a 'test/break/fix' list before I
> :setup a list that will have ~300 subscribers. So I need to
> :figure out this stuff before I get them going :-) (changing
> :mail programs is out of the question, this is seattle...Uncle
> :Bill has 'the masses' brainwashed :-)
> :
> :My question (since the searchable archives are no longer
> :avalible) is; is this 'by design' or is this a problem?


From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Mon Aug 12 07:45:21 2002
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From: Virtual Joe <jduche@creighton.edu>
To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Silent Subscriptions
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Is there a way for a listowner who does not have access to the file
containing the list of subscribers (for manual editing) to add folks to it
and NOT have them get a "welcome to the list" message? I have searched the
website and messages from this list, but I don't see that anyone has asked
this. Nor do I see an option for such.

Thank you for any help offered.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
   Joe Ducharme                    jduche@creighton.edu
   Creighton University            Omaha, NE USA  68178
  <<Virtual Joe      http://www.creighton.edu/~jduche/>>
  "Time flies like an arrow, Fruit flies like a banana."
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Have you tried setting "welcome = no" in the list's .config file?
The file can be retrieved with the "config" command and implemented
with the "newconfig" command.

Dan Liston

Virtual Joe wrote:
> 
> Is there a way for a listowner who does not have access to the file
> containing the list of subscribers (for manual editing) to add folks to it
> and NOT have them get a "welcome to the list" message? I have searched the
> website and messages from this list, but I don't see that anyone has asked
> this. Nor do I see an option for such.


From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Mon Aug 12 11:41:19 2002
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:40:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Virtual Joe <jduche@creighton.edu>
To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
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On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Virtual Joe wrote:

> Is there a way for a listowner who does not have access to the file
> containing the list of subscribers (for manual editing) to add folks to it
> and NOT have them get a "welcome to the list" message? I have searched the
> website and messages from this list, but I don't see that anyone has asked
> this. Nor do I see an option for such.

Thanks to Roger B.A. Klorese and Daniel Liston, who set me right:

>> Set "welcome = no" in the list's config.

Now all I have to do is upgrade to the correct version! Thank you all for
your assistance.

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   Joe Ducharme                    jduche@creighton.edu
   Creighton University            Omaha, NE USA  68178
  <<Virtual Joe      http://www.creighton.edu/~jduche/>>
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From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Tue Aug 13 11:54:44 2002
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From: "Mike Olbinski" <mike@theolbinskis.com>
To: <Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM>
Subject: Having some problems
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:53:24 -0700
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Our email list has been completely fine, until the last two days.

Suddenly, an email I send, which is about as long in content as this one,
doesn't appear for awhile. But I sent one that was short, and a test, and it
worked fine.

I have the size of the emails allowed really high, so that shouldn't be a
problem. Just appears that for some reason, the emails are being delayed.
Can anyone help?

- Mike





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You have not told anyone what operating system you are using, what MTA or 
version of majordomo.  Assuming linux, sendmail, and majordomo 1.94.5,
is it possible the system load has gone above the maximum value allowed
in your /etc/majordomo.cf as defined in the $max_loadavg variable?

Dan Liston

Mike Olbinski wrote:
> 
> Our email list has been completely fine, until the last two days.
> 
> Suddenly, an email I send, which is about as long in content as this one,
> doesn't appear for awhile. But I sent one that was short, and a test, and it
> worked fine.
> 
> I have the size of the emails allowed really high, so that shouldn't be a
> problem. Just appears that for some reason, the emails are being delayed.
> Can anyone help?
> 
> - Mike


From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Wed Aug 14 05:36:40 2002
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Yes, I looked, and no, it was of no help in this instance.  I've learned the
RaQ4's default installation (as supplied by Sun) does not have the ability =
to
run digests or make archives...only run simple lists.  In order for Digests
to work, you must start over with an entirely new instance of Majordomo and
conf it.  :(   Live and learn!
-John Pearson


-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:34 PM

Have you tried looking at...
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/archive-Digest-HOW-TO.1

If this does not specifically solve your problem, please let
me know so I can make any necessary corrections to the doc.

Dan Liston

John Pearson wrote:
>=20
> Being totally new to this list and the Cobalt RaQ4 Internet appliance, I'm
> finding myself in need of a little help.  I have several lists up and
running
> on the RaQ4 under Linux/Majordomo, but can't seem to get a digested (and
> archives) version of those lists running.  Is anyone else on this list
using
> this system and have it working?  If so, could you ~please~ send me the
> configs/directory structure your using?  I'd be most grateful!!  ...as
would
> my subscribers! <g>  Thanks in advance for any assistance in getting this
> working.
> -John Pearson
>  Colorado College ITS
>  jpearson@coloradocollege.edu


From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Wed Aug 14 08:28:38 2002
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Please disregard same email from other address, but if my spam filters
at this address get in your way, the other address could be useful.

Hmmm, I am not sure what version of linux/sendmail/majordomo is installed
on RaQ4 systems, but if you have shell/root access and can create files
and directories plus modify configs/aliases, I see no reason for this to 
be considered impossible without a reinstall.

I doubt the majordomo is customized, and linux has cron capability...
If you would be willing to send me your majordomo.cf, sendmail.cf, aliases 
(just the ones regarding majordomo), the majordomo line from the passwd file, 
(not the shadow file), and output from an `ls -lR` of your majordomo $HOME 
directory, `hostname`, `uname -a`, `dnsdomainname`, and the line from your
/etc/hosts defining your server (not localhost), I would be happy to try to
offer you a clean solution to archives and digests.

Dan Liston

PS. Please do not send all this info to the list.  It would be many many
Kbytes of data that 99% or so of the members would NOT be interested in.


John Pearson wrote:
> 
> Yes, I looked, and no, it was of no help in this instance.  I've learned the
> RaQ4's default installation (as supplied by Sun) does not have the ability to
> run digests or make archives...only run simple lists.  In order for Digests
> to work, you must start over with an entirely new instance of Majordomo and
> conf it.  :(   Live and learn!
> -John Pearson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:34 PM
> 
> Have you tried looking at...
> ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/archive-Digest-HOW-TO.1
> 
> If this does not specifically address your problem, please let
> me know so I can make any necessary corrections to the doc.
> 
> Dan Liston
> 
> John Pearson wrote:
> >
> > Being totally new to this list and the Cobalt RaQ4 Internet appliance, I'm
> > finding myself in need of a little help.  I have several lists up and
> running
> > on the RaQ4 under Linux/Majordomo, but can't seem to get a digested (and
> > archives) version of those lists running.  Is anyone else on this list
> using
> > this system and have it working?  If so, could you ~please~ send me the
> > configs/directory structure your using?  I'd be most grateful!!  ...as
> would
> > my subscribers! <g>  Thanks in advance for any assistance in getting this
> > working.
> > -John Pearson
> >  Colorado College ITS
> >  jpearson@coloradocollege.edu


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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:30:26 -0700
To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM
From: Ed Kasky <ed@wrenkasky.com>
Subject: schlock error
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MD 1.94.5 on RH 6.1

This just popped up this morning and is a new one on me.  I couldn't find 
any reference to the specific error in the faq or the archives...

resend[13343] {listname} WARNING
shlock: link('/usr/local/majordomo/lists/shlock.13343',
'/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.config.LOCK'): No such file or directory

A decent amount of mail goes through this particular list with no problem.

Other mail has since gone through the same list since then.  Is is 
something I should be concerned about?

TIA --

Ed
~~



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I've been experimenting with the bulk_mailer and it's working fine
but I noticed it strips the "Precedence: bulk" headers.  I can restore
them with the '-precedence bulk' argument to bulk_mailer.  (The only
problem with that is it overrides any setting in the list config).

The man page for bulk_mailer strongly warns against using that argument:

     NOT RECOMMENDED.
     WARNING: some mailers will bounce the mail if  they
              see  a  Precedence header with a keyword they don't
              understand; some list managers will  silently  drop
              the  mail  if  they  see a Precedence header with a
              keyword they do understand.  There is NO safe value
              for  the  Precedence  header  that won't cause some
              mailer to mishandle the message.   This  option  is
              therefore not recommended.

Since we're only using bulk the first reason doesn't apply.  Since we're
not planning on subscribing one mailing list to another (a bad practice
anyway) the second reason doesn't seem to apply either.

Almost every mailing list I'm subscribed to adds a "Precedence: bulk" header 
(and a good thing too since it stops autoresponders - if they're properly 
configured - from replying).

Is the warning still relevant?  Is it too strong?  (Just wondering).

Is the bulk_mailer still relevant or have sendmail and other MTAs
improved their handling of large distribution lists enough to make the 
bulk_mailer redundant?


Thanks
---
Ian






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I have seen this on occassion too, but not in quite some time myself.
I think this might have something to do with permissions or ownership
of the lists directory or config file.  This lock should only happen
(maybe I should go read the script files again before saying this)
when you are writing a new config for the list, or a digest is being
created which needs to update the config for the next volume/issue
number to be used.

config_parse.pl, digest, and majordomo all have reference to config.LOCK,
archive2.pl, config_parse.pl, majordomo, and request-answer all have
calls to shlock.pl.  Interesting that the WARNING looks like it came
from resend.

Check your $listdir for any files with .LOCK extensions or shlock
basenames.  I have just deleted these when I found them, but it may
be safer to make sure sendmail/majordomo are not active when you 
attempt this.

Dan Liston

Ed Kasky wrote:
> 
> MD 1.94.5 on RH 6.1
> 
> This just popped up this morning and is a new one on me.  I couldn't find
> any reference to the specific error in the faq or the archives...
> 
> resend[13343] {listname} WARNING
> shlock: link('/usr/local/majordomo/lists/shlock.13343',
> '/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.config.LOCK'): No such file or directory
> 
> A decent amount of mail goes through this particular list with no problem.
> 
> Other mail has since gone through the same list since then.  Is is
> something I should be concerned about?


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You missed a "key" phrase in the man page,
"recognized by sendmail".

 -precedence precedence-keyword
              Add a Precedence: precedence-keyword header. Prece­
              dence-keyword  should  be  a  keyword recognized by
              sendmail.  NOT RECOMMENDED.


By default sendmail.cf for version 8.8.8 and higher recognizes;
first-class=0
special-delivery=100
list=-30
bulk=-60
junk=-100
At least these are the ones in my .cf file.

The warning is a bit strong, but bulk_mailer is about 4 years 
old now.  Sendmail has come a long way since then, as have other 
MTAs.  There are still advantages to using bulk_mailer though.
It offers the ability to split your distribution lists into bite
size pieces which make it easier for sendmail to deal with, and for
certain domains (AOL for example) to only get X number of recipients
per message or per connection.

Dan Liston

Ian Mortimer wrote:
> 
> I've been experimenting with the bulk_mailer and it's working fine
> but I noticed it strips the "Precedence: bulk" headers.  I can restore
> them with the '-precedence bulk' argument to bulk_mailer.  (The only
> problem with that is it overrides any setting in the list config).
> 
> The man page for bulk_mailer strongly warns against using that argument:
> 
>      NOT RECOMMENDED.
>      WARNING: some mailers will bounce the mail if  they
>               see  a  Precedence header with a keyword they don't
>               understand; some list managers will  silently  drop
>               the  mail  if  they  see a Precedence header with a
>               keyword they do understand.  There is NO safe value
>               for  the  Precedence  header  that won't cause some
>               mailer to mishandle the message.   This  option  is
>               therefore not recommended.
> 
> Since we're only using bulk the first reason doesn't apply.  Since we're
> not planning on subscribing one mailing list to another (a bad practice
> anyway) the second reason doesn't seem to apply either.
> 
> Almost every mailing list I'm subscribed to adds a "Precedence: bulk" header
> (and a good thing too since it stops autoresponders - if they're properly
> configured - from replying).
> 
> Is the warning still relevant?  Is it too strong?  (Just wondering).
> 
> Is the bulk_mailer still relevant or have sendmail and other MTAs
> improved their handling of large distribution lists enough to make the
> bulk_mailer redundant?
> 
> Thanks
> ---
> Ian


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I have a few lists that I run here. Some of the people on my lists are 
from world.std.com which is a company here in Brookline Mass called 
Software Tool and Die. Over the years they also bought the domain 
world.com as well as theworld.com. My problem is as follows:

Joe Shmoe signs up for a list as js@world.std.com and everything is hunky 
dory. The list is copied to list.restrict to prevent people who are not on 
the list from being able to post. Then he send mail again but this time 
his from addr is js@theworld.com instead of js@world.std.com. This causes 
majordomo to reject the message thinking that the message is coming from 
someone who is not in the restrict list. 

I realize that this may not be a majordomo problem. Is there a way to fix 
this in majordomo? And if not, is there a way to fix this in sendmail?

Many thank all.

-- 
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-happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ
-Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all-
-individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo@syslang.net




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On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Steven W. Orr wrote to Majordomo-users:

> Joe Shmoe signs up for a list as js@world.std.com and everything is
> hunky dory. The list is copied to list.restrict to prevent people who
> are not on the list from being able to post. Then he send mail again but
> this time his from addr is js@theworld.com instead of js@world.std.com.
> This causes majordomo to reject the message thinking that the message is
> coming from someone who is not in the restrict list.
>
> I realize that this may not be a majordomo problem. Is there a way to
> fix this in majordomo? And if not, is there a way to fix this in
> sendmail?

It is neither a Majordomo problem nor a Sendmail problem.  It's a
subscriber education problem common to most mailing lists, and lots of
luck in THAT particular classroom!  The addresses "jdoe@world.sts.com",
"jdoe@theworld.com"  and "jdoe@world.com" might all refer to the same
mailbox at Software Tool & Die, but the rest of the world has no way of
knowing that.  If "jdoe@world.std.com" was the address John Doe at ST&D
used when he subscribed to the list, then he needs to either always post
from that address, or subscribe all the addresses he wants to be able to
post from.

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Yours is a dilema I think most of us have trudged through at some point
or another.  The proper answer would be that regardless how many names
are actually the same domain, only the address used when subscribing is
valid as far as majordomo is concerned.  Can we assUme that the list in
question is used only for the domains mentioned?  If so, you could write
a script that adds all the variations of domain names per member of your
list.restrict that gets executed by cron nightly.

A work-around, could be something like this;
listname = sports

.../lists/sports.config
restrict_post = sports:sports-post:sports-digest

.../lists/sports-post.config
restrict_post = master.post
moderated = yes
moderator = owner-sports
subscribe_policy = closed+confirm
unsubscribe_policy = closed+confirm

No extra aliases required for this.  Requests to Post-Only membership
for the sports list are managed by majordomo, and majordomo IS aware
of the sports-post list by existance of the file and the config.

Anyone wanting to post but not receive sports list messages may send
a subscribe message to majordomo using the alternate domain (or the 
alternate format of the subscribe command) and the sports-post list 
membership.  These requests would of course have to be approved by 
the sports list owner, so they could validate membership in the other 
list with the other domain name.

The above work-around also assUmes that you allow anyone on the list
to post to the list.  If sports-post or sports-digest files do not
exist, the list still works.

Using your Joe Shmoe example, js@world.std.com subscribes to sports.
He would also have to send subscribe requests to sports-post as
js@world.com and as js@theworld.com.  A single email to majordomo
would look like this to handle the whole process;

To: majordomo@world.std.com
From: Joe Shmoe <js@world.std.com>
Subject: 

subscribe sports
subscribe sports-post js@world.com
subscribe sports-post js@theworld.com
end

Yet another solution, would be to download and modify the script
I wrote which sits on a listname-subscribe alias.  If you can 
understand/write perl scripts, take a look at;
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/subscribe.1

Some additional if/then statements and domain matching regular
expressions for populating the print message portion of the 
script to match what I proposed above should not be too hard.

Dan Liston

"Steven W. Orr" wrote:
> 
> I have a few lists that I run here. Some of the people on my lists are
> from world.std.com which is a company here in Brookline Mass called
> Software Tool and Die. Over the years they also bought the domain
> world.com as well as theworld.com. My problem is as follows:
> 
> Joe Shmoe signs up for a list as js@world.std.com and everything is hunky
> dory. The list is copied to list.restrict to prevent people who are not on
> the list from being able to post. Then he send mail again but this time
> his from addr is js@theworld.com instead of js@world.std.com. This causes
> majordomo to reject the message thinking that the message is coming from
> someone who is not in the restrict list.
> 
> I realize that this may not be a majordomo problem. Is there a way to fix
> this in majordomo? And if not, is there a way to fix this in sendmail?
> 
> Many thank all.
> 
> --
> -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have -
> -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ
> -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all-
> -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo@syslang.net


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Here is an after thought;

What if you put procmail and a rule/filter that changes/rewrites
the from address before it gets to your majordomo lists?  This 
could also be quite a bit of work, but still doable.

Dan Liston


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-> A work-around, could be something like this;
-> listname = sports
-> 
-> .../lists/sports.config
-> restrict_post = sports:sports-post:sports-digest
-> 
-> .../lists/sports-post.config
-> restrict_post = master.post
-> moderated = yes
-> moderator = owner-sports
-> subscribe_policy = closed+confirm
-> unsubscribe_policy = closed+confirm
-> 

	Following this thought I wanted to use something similar to the
above to create a nomail feature for my lists.

	So I created a sports-nomail (to use the same example as Daniel)
which the owner populated with emails that wanted to send but not
receive.  This works well using restrict_post = sports:sports-nomail.

	What I would like to know is if there's a way to isolate the
sports-nomail so no one can post to it, not even the subscribers.  Is
the moderated function the only way to prevent posting to this second
list?

	Thanks

	Michel




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I am trying to change the field of message_footer these days, but no matter which way I try, I always get the same error message:
The new config file for cssa was NOT accepted because:
syntax error at (eval 10) line 1, near "=~ ."
I am using the command "newconfig" to do this. I think maybe this is because of the email application I am using because it inserts something I don't know.
Have somebody changed message_footer before? If so, please tell me your experience.
Thanks and best regards!

Gongqin



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> 
-> 	Following this thought I wanted to use something similar to the
-> above to create a nomail feature for my lists.
-> 
-> 	So I created a sports-nomail (to use the same example as Daniel)
-> which the owner populated with emails that wanted to send but not
-> receive.  This works well using restrict_post = sports:sports-nomail.
-> 
-> 	What I would like to know is if there's a way to isolate the
-> sports-nomail so no one can post to it, not even the subscribers.  Is
-> the moderated function the only way to prevent posting to this second
-> list?
-> 
-> 	Thanks
-> 
-> 	Michel
-> 

	BTW I'm using mojordomo 1.94.5 on a shared server so I can't
write the majordomo config files, I can, though, write over the
lists.config files.

	Michel




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REPLY TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, scroll down please....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven W. Orr" <steveo@syslang.net>
To: "Majordomo-users" <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:52 PM
Subject: Question about subscribers who have domains which have aliases.


> I have a few lists that I run here. Some of the people on my lists are
> from world.std.com which is a company here in Brookline Mass called
> Software Tool and Die. Over the years they also bought the domain
> world.com as well as theworld.com. My problem is as follows:
>
> Joe Shmoe signs up for a list as js@world.std.com and everything is hunky
> dory. The list is copied to list.restrict to prevent people who are not on
> the list from being able to post. Then he send mail again but this time
> his from addr is js@theworld.com instead of js@world.std.com. This causes
> majordomo to reject the message thinking that the message is coming from
> someone who is not in the restrict list.
>
> I realize that this may not be a majordomo problem. Is there a way to fix
> this in majordomo? And if not, is there a way to fix this in sendmail?
>
> Many thank all.

HI there,

If he is using Outlook he can add the email addy into his profile so that it sends out as js@world.std.com even though he's
really sending out as js@theworld.com ...  For instance, my email addy of quake@bubblybabs.com (which I use for a mailing
list I belong to for Quake2) is really coming from bub_babs@bellsouth.net...

To do this you click on TOOLS>ACCOUNTS>ADD>MAIL and then put the info you want the email program to think is being sent in
the appropriate places but where it wants you to add the actual password and other pertinent info such as pop3 and SMTP they
put the real thing...  Then go back into properties and double check to make sure all is correct...

The GENERAL tab area should show what you want majordomo to see and be sure to uncheck that little box at the bottom that
says "include this account when receiving mail or syncronizing"...  The SERVERS tab should have all the correct info...

That should allow the guy to send from the email addy he joined with even though he's using another one...  He'll just have
to remember to change it each time he sends out an email...  It becomes habit after a while, I do it all the time without
second thought...

Netscape will allow the same as well though I don't use Netscape so I can't say how it's done exactly, I have a friend who
does the same thing with her Netscape email...

Another thought to add to this, people think they can do this and send bogus emails but their emails can be traced back to
the source so I'd make sure to mention that this method can only be used for legit purposes...  I believe you have to have
some type of encryption done to the email to make it untraceable or hard to trace back to you...

Babs



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	I had the same problem and I believe it was because the email
software wrapped some of the lines...  Have you tried to put a large
number as the wrapping position in your browser...

	Mine just didn't work so I got rid of all the comments and
included only the variables, the problem there is that the end result
doesn't have the comments either (majordomo doesn't place them back),
but if you only use newconfig then that should be ok.

	Michel

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-
-> owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Gongqin Shen
-> Sent: 16 ao=FBt, 2002 05:39
-> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
-> Subject: Problems on modifying message_footer
->=20
-> I am trying to change the field of message_footer these days, but no
matter which way I try, I
-> always get the same error message:
-> The new config file for cssa was NOT accepted because:
-> syntax error at (eval 10) line 1, near "=3D~ ."
-> I am using the command "newconfig" to do this. I think maybe this is
because of the email
-> application I am using because it inserts something I don't know.
-> Have somebody changed message_footer before? If so, please tell me
your experience.
-> Thanks and best regards!
->=20
-> Gongqin





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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Pearson" <jpearson@ColoradoCollege.edu>
To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:35 AM
Subject: FW: Digests and the RaQ4


Yes, I looked, and no, it was of no help in this instance.  I've learned the
RaQ4's default installation (as supplied by Sun) does not have the ability to
run digests or make archives...only run simple lists.  In order for Digests
to work, you must start over with an entirely new instance of Majordomo and
conf it.  :(   Live and learn!
-John Pearson

I'm also on a RaQ (used to be a 2 now a 4, my host upgraded me so I could handle my mailing list w/o bugging them all the
time)...
I use a program called SVList that will digest my emails for me...  I bought this program a while ago when my mailing list
was small and didn't require much CPU usage...  It's still useful for digesting and making HTML webpages of the digests...
Plus I use the program as a second way to keep track of my members...

Don't know if you want to fork out the money for the program but it's an option...

There is another less expensive program out there called LightningMail located here:
http://www.v-d-l.com/lm.html
I don't know if it digests though...

Babs




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Daniel Liston wrote:

>There are still advantages to using bulk_mailer though.
>It offers the ability to split your distribution lists into bite
>size pieces which make it easier for sendmail to deal with, and for
>certain domains (AOL for example) to only get X number of recipients
>per message or per connection.
>  
>

...as does Sendmail 8.12.




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Michel C=F4t=E9 <michel.cote@millenniumsend.org> wro:

>	What I would like to know is if there's a way to isolate the
>sports-nomail so no one can post to it, not even the subscribers.  Is
>the moderated function the only way to prevent posting to this second
>list?

That's the usual way to do it. A file on restrict_post with no addresses in=
 it
would still generate bounces to deal with.



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How does one get sendmail to restrict the number of recipients per 
connection to AOL? And does anyone know what a safe number for AOL is?



On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:

> Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
> >There are still advantages to using bulk_mailer though.
> >It offers the ability to split your distribution lists into bite
> >size pieces which make it easier for sendmail to deal with, and for
> >certain domains (AOL for example) to only get X number of recipients
> >per message or per connection.
> >  
> >
> 
> ...as does Sendmail 8.12.
> 
> 
> 


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Use writeconfig to get all the comments reinserted.

Jay O'Brien


Michel Côté wrote:
> 	I had the same problem and I believe it was because the email
> software wrapped some of the lines...  Have you tried to put a large
> number as the wrapping position in your browser...
> 
> 	Mine just didn't work so I got rid of all the comments and
> included only the variables, the problem there is that the end result
> doesn't have the comments either (majordomo doesn't place them back),
> but if you only use newconfig then that should be ok.
> 
> 	Michel
> 
> -> -----Original Message-----
> -> From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-
> -> owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Gongqin Shen
> -> Sent: 16 aoűt, 2002 05:39
> -> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> -> Subject: Problems on modifying message_footer
> -> 
> -> I am trying to change the field of message_footer these days, but no
> matter which way I try, I
> -> always get the same error message:
> -> The new config file for cssa was NOT accepted because:
> -> syntax error at (eval 10) line 1, near "=~ ."
> -> I am using the command "newconfig" to do this. I think maybe this is
> because of the email
> -> application I am using because it inserts something I don't know.
> -> Have somebody changed message_footer before? If so, please tell me
> your experience.
> -> Thanks and best regards!
> -> 
> -> Gongqin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




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I was logged in from the wrong account the first time I sent this.

There should not be an alias matching the sports-nomail list, therefore
it should never receive a message to be redistributed by majordomo.  If
your hosting service automatically creates aliases for every list, you 
will have to set the config for the list as "closed", "moderated", and
for safety sake, "restrict_post" to yet another filename that only has
the owner's email listed.  (master.poster for example, any filename
with a dot character in it)

Or you can ask your hosting service to remove the alias(es) for the
sports-nomail list.  Majordomo recognizes lists based on filenames
found in the lists directory.  Sendmail recognizes them based on lines
in the /etc/aliases file.  If sendmail can't find it, mail can not be
delivered to that list.

Dan Liston

Michel Côté wrote:
> 
> >
> ->      Following this thought I wanted to use something similar to the
> -> above to create a nomail feature for my lists.
> ->
> ->      So I created a sports-nomail (to use the same example as Daniel)
> -> which the owner populated with emails that wanted to send but not
> -> receive.  This works well using restrict_post = sports:sports-nomail.
> ->
> ->      What I would like to know is if there's a way to isolate the
> -> sports-nomail so no one can post to it, not even the subscribers.  Is
> -> the moderated function the only way to prevent posting to this second
> -> list?
> ->
> ->      Thanks
> ->
> ->      Michel
> ->
> 
>         BTW I'm using mojordomo 1.94.5 on a shared server so I can't
> write the majordomo config files, I can, though, write over the
> lists.config files.
> 
>         Michel


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To: Ed Kasky <ed@esson.net>
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Without digging deeply, it would be my guess that another function of
majordomo detected and removed the LOCK file before resend tried to do
the same thing.  Hmmm, wouldn't make a lock very useful would it?  I
will let one of the developer types decide if this is a possible bug.
I do not have exposure to the busier majordomo systems I used to, so
I am beginning to get rusty.

Dan Liston

Ed Kasky wrote:
> 
> I thought you might want to read what Carl sent me earlier today:
> 
> After reading this and what you wrote, I wonder what happened to the lock
> file that resend was looking for.   If resend places a lock on config files
> while it's processing to avoid any one part of the MD process from stepping
> on the toes of anther part, what happened to the file that made it send the
> warning?
> 
> Hard drive poltergeists I guess...
> 
> > > '/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.config.LOCK'): No such file or
> > directory
> 
> Ed
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Resend is the primary user of the config file.
> 
> resend looks at all kinds of things in the config file from what your
> taboo_headers are to the values, if any, for message_fronter and
> message_footer.
> 
> It decides if a given sender is premitted to send to the list based on
> whether "restrict_post" is set and the sender in included in one fo the
> restrict_post files.
> 
> It's the main majordomo program whose actions are directed by the contents
> of the config file.
> 
> When it uses the get_config procedure in the config_parse.pl required file
> it locks the config file to make sure no one is changing it while its trying
> to read in the contents. Otherwize the contents that it reads in might be
> internally inconsistient. Note there is nothing to prevent resend from
> running at the same time that a majordomo command is doing a newconfig
> command. The locking mechanism prevents different parts of the majorddomo
> set of programs from tripping over each other. Without a locking mechanism
> for the config file thing would probably run fine _most_ of the time. The
> locking mechanism is there to make sure that things run fine _all_ of the
> time.
> 
> At 08:14 PM Thursday, 8/15/2002, Daniel Liston wrote -=>
> 
> >I have seen this on occassion too, but not in quite some time myself.
> >I think this might have something to do with permissions or ownership
> >of the lists directory or config file.  This lock should only happen
> >(maybe I should go read the script files again before saying this)
> >when you are writing a new config for the list, or a digest is being
> >created which needs to update the config for the next volume/issue
> >number to be used.
> >
> >config_parse.pl, digest, and majordomo all have reference to config.LOCK,
> >archive2.pl, config_parse.pl, majordomo, and request-answer all have
> >calls to shlock.pl.  Interesting that the WARNING looks like it came
> >from resend.
> >
> >Check your $listdir for any files with .LOCK extensions or shlock
> >basenames.  I have just deleted these when I found them, but it may
> >be safer to make sure sendmail/majordomo are not active when you
> >attempt this.
> >
> >Dan Liston
> >
> >Ed Kasky wrote:
> > >
> > > MD 1.94.5 on RH 6.1
> > >
> > > This just popped up this morning and is a new one on me.  I couldn't find
> > > any reference to the specific error in the faq or the archives...
> > >
> > > resend[13343] {listname} WARNING
> > > shlock: link('/usr/local/majordomo/lists/shlock.13343',
> > > '/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.config.LOCK'): No such file or
> > directory
> > >
> > > A decent amount of mail goes through this particular list with no problem.
> > >
> > > Other mail has since gone through the same list since then.  Is is
> > > something I should be concerned about?
> 
> Ed Kasky
> Los Angeles, CA
> . . . . . . . .
> If fortune turns against you even jelly will break your tooth.
>         -Persian Proverb


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Another key besides line/word wrap from the email client is ALWAYS
make sure your client is set to send in PLAIN TEXT.  No HTML or rich
content when sending to majordomo.  I have not tried this in awhile, 
but even if you do your configs without comments, I believe the
"writeconfig" command WILL put comments back in.

Dan Liston

Michel Côté wrote:
> 
>         I had the same problem and I believe it was because the email
> software wrapped some of the lines...  Have you tried to put a large
> number as the wrapping position in your browser...
> 
>         Mine just didn't work so I got rid of all the comments and
> included only the variables, the problem there is that the end result
> doesn't have the comments either (majordomo doesn't place them back),
> but if you only use newconfig then that should be ok.
> 
>         Michel
> 
> -> -----Original Message-----
> -> From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-
> -> owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Gongqin Shen
> -> Sent: 16 aoűt, 2002 05:39
> -> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> -> Subject: Problems on modifying message_footer
> ->
> -> I am trying to change the field of message_footer these days, but no
> matter which way I try, I
> -> always get the same error message:
> -> The new config file for cssa was NOT accepted because:
> -> syntax error at (eval 10) line 1, near "=~ ."
> -> I am using the command "newconfig" to do this. I think maybe this is
> because of the email
> -> application I am using because it inserts something I don't know.
> -> Have somebody changed message_footer before? If so, please tell me
> your experience.
> -> Thanks and best regards!
> ->
> -> Gongqin


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Let me reiterate, that IF you have shell access to the RaQ server,
I do not see why the default installation of majordomo could not 
be massaged into handling archives and digests by following the
instructions in the URL listed previously.  Does Sun remove these
tools from the majordomo directory when they supply the server?
If you only have access to a GUI, I can understand the burden,
but even GUIs can be modified.

Dan Liston

BubblyBabs wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Pearson" <jpearson@ColoradoCollege.edu>
> To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:35 AM
> Subject: FW: Digests and the RaQ4
> 
> Yes, I looked, and no, it was of no help in this instance.  I've learned the
> RaQ4's default installation (as supplied by Sun) does not have the ability to
> run digests or make archives...only run simple lists.  In order for Digests
> to work, you must start over with an entirely new instance of Majordomo and
> conf it.  :(   Live and learn!
> -John Pearson
> 
> I'm also on a RaQ (used to be a 2 now a 4, my host upgraded me so I could handle my mailing list w/o bugging them all the
> time)...
> I use a program called SVList that will digest my emails for me...  I bought this program a while ago when my mailing list
> was small and didn't require much CPU usage...  It's still useful for digesting and making HTML webpages of the digests...
> Plus I use the program as a second way to keep track of my members...
> 
> Don't know if you want to fork out the money for the program but it's an option...
> 
> There is another less expensive program out there called LightningMail located here:
> http://www.v-d-l.com/lm.html
> I don't know if it digests though...
> 
> Babs


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"Roger B.A. Klorese" wrote:
> 
> Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
> >There are still advantages to using bulk_mailer though.
> >It offers the ability to split your distribution lists into bite
> >size pieces which make it easier for sendmail to deal with, and for
> >certain domains (AOL for example) to only get X number of recipients
> >per message or per connection.
> >
> >
> 
> ...as does Sendmail 8.12.

I am still on 8.11.6 of sendmail.  I guess I should upgrade, or
start digging into the finer enhancements that have been added
since 8.9.3.


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Last I heard, it was a very low number. 15 or 20 if I remember right.
You could also contact AOL support, and provided you agree to certain
anti-spam policies and have strong policies of your own, you might get
them to open up the requirement on a per list basis.

Dan Liston

Ezra Bick wrote:
> 
> How does one get sendmail to restrict the number of recipients per
> connection to AOL? And does anyone know what a safe number for AOL is?


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That's sort of what I was thinking as well but didn't know if that was 
possible.

I don't know what this list will do if you get too rusty ;-)

You've saved my butt more than once...

Ed
~~
At 01:15 PM Friday, 8/16/2002, you wrote -=>
>Without digging deeply, it would be my guess that another function of
>majordomo detected and removed the LOCK file before resend tried to do
>the same thing.  Hmmm, wouldn't make a lock very useful would it?  I
>will let one of the developer types decide if this is a possible bug.
>I do not have exposure to the busier majordomo systems I used to, so
>I am beginning to get rusty.
>
>Dan Liston
>
>Ed Kasky wrote:
> >
> > I thought you might want to read what Carl sent me earlier today:
> >
> > After reading this and what you wrote, I wonder what happened to the lock
> > file that resend was looking for.   If resend places a lock on config files
> > while it's processing to avoid any one part of the MD process from stepping
> > on the toes of anther part, what happened to the file that made it send the
> > warning?
> >
> > Hard drive poltergeists I guess...
> >
> > > > '/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.config.LOCK'): No such file or
> > > directory
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Resend is the primary user of the config file.
> >
> > resend looks at all kinds of things in the config file from what your
> > taboo_headers are to the values, if any, for message_fronter and
> > message_footer.
> >
> > It decides if a given sender is premitted to send to the list based on
> > whether "restrict_post" is set and the sender in included in one fo the
> > restrict_post files.
> >
> > It's the main majordomo program whose actions are directed by the contents
> > of the config file.
> >
> > When it uses the get_config procedure in the config_parse.pl required file
> > it locks the config file to make sure no one is changing it while its 
> trying
> > to read in the contents. Otherwize the contents that it reads in might be
> > internally inconsistient. Note there is nothing to prevent resend from
> > running at the same time that a majordomo command is doing a newconfig
> > command. The locking mechanism prevents different parts of the majorddomo
> > set of programs from tripping over each other. Without a locking mechanism
> > for the config file thing would probably run fine _most_ of the time. The
> > locking mechanism is there to make sure that things run fine _all_ of the
> > time.
> >
> > At 08:14 PM Thursday, 8/15/2002, Daniel Liston wrote -=>
> >
> > >I have seen this on occassion too, but not in quite some time myself.
> > >I think this might have something to do with permissions or ownership
> > >of the lists directory or config file.  This lock should only happen
> > >(maybe I should go read the script files again before saying this)
> > >when you are writing a new config for the list, or a digest is being
> > >created which needs to update the config for the next volume/issue
> > >number to be used.
> > >
> > >config_parse.pl, digest, and majordomo all have reference to config.LOCK,
> > >archive2.pl, config_parse.pl, majordomo, and request-answer all have
> > >calls to shlock.pl.  Interesting that the WARNING looks like it came
> > >from resend.
> > >
> > >Check your $listdir for any files with .LOCK extensions or shlock
> > >basenames.  I have just deleted these when I found them, but it may
> > >be safer to make sure sendmail/majordomo are not active when you
> > >attempt this.
> > >
> > >Dan Liston
> > >
> > >Ed Kasky wrote:
> > > >
> > > > MD 1.94.5 on RH 6.1
> > > >
> > > > This just popped up this morning and is a new one on me.  I 
> couldn't find
> > > > any reference to the specific error in the faq or the archives...
> > > >
> > > > resend[13343] {listname} WARNING
> > > > shlock: link('/usr/local/majordomo/lists/shlock.13343',
> > > > '/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.config.LOCK'): No such file or
> > > directory
> > > >
> > > > A decent amount of mail goes through this particular list with no 
> problem.
> > > >
> > > > Other mail has since gone through the same list since then.  Is is
> > > > something I should be concerned about?
> >
> > Ed Kasky
> > Los Angeles, CA
> > . . . . . . . .
> > If fortune turns against you even jelly will break your tooth.
> >         -Persian Proverb



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Sorry Michel, the restrict_post variable only accepts filenames as 
arguments.  If the file does exist, it should not be empty.

What you might ask your service to do in support of majordomo hosting
is to "touch" the filenames listed in the restrict_post lines of the
listname.config files rather than force creating aliases or separate
lists.  The touch command would create files that do not exist, but
not change any file that does exist other than it's timestamp value.

Majordomo will automatically create the associated .config files for
these newly created files the first time majordomo sees the new file.
A catch to watch out for though, majordomo will NOT create .config
files for filenames that contain a dot character, and therefore would
not be able to manage that file as a list.  Another gotcha is that
some listname.extension files, zero bytes or otherwise, will act as
flag files to majordomo.  Even though these are deprecated, they are
still recognized by the program.  The following are examples of BAD
filenames to use (unless you also expect to use their functionality);
listname.auto, listname.closed, listname.private, listname.hidden,
and listname.strip.  Notice, these all have dots in the names which
make them a bad idea for other restrict_post reasons too.

Dan Liston

Michel Côté wrote:
> 
>         Thanks Daniel,
> 
>         My host does add an alias for every list I create.  I can't play
> with the alias file without asking the server admin to rewrite the file
> for me.  One thing I'm wondering is: can I write an email address
> instead of a filename in the restrict_post variable?  The email I'm
> thinking of is the sports-nomail-owner email or another I create for the
> GM of each simulations.
>


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    Thanks Daniel,

    I decided to simply use the moderated function.  The owner would simply
have to delete the mail or resend it to the proper list if it's important...

    And you are right about the "writeconfig" command which adds the
listname.config comments back into the file.

    So I use the "newconfig" command and follow up with the "writeconfig"
command to recreate a complete .config file...

    Thanks for the help.

    Michel
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> Sorry Michel, the restrict_post variable only accepts filenames as
> arguments.  If the file does exist, it should not be empty.
>
> What you might ask your service to do in support of majordomo hosting
> is to "touch" the filenames listed in the restrict_post lines of the
> listname.config files rather than force creating aliases or separate
> lists.  The touch command would create files that do not exist, but
> not change any file that does exist other than it's timestamp value.
>
> Majordomo will automatically create the associated .config files for
> these newly created files the first time majordomo sees the new file.
> A catch to watch out for though, majordomo will NOT create .config
> files for filenames that contain a dot character, and therefore would
> not be able to manage that file as a list.  Another gotcha is that
> some listname.extension files, zero bytes or otherwise, will act as
> flag files to majordomo.  Even though these are deprecated, they are
> still recognized by the program.  The following are examples of BAD
> filenames to use (unless you also expect to use their functionality);
> listname.auto, listname.closed, listname.private, listname.hidden,
> and listname.strip.  Notice, these all have dots in the names which
> make them a bad idea for other restrict_post reasons too.
>
> Dan Liston
>
> Michel Côté wrote:
> >
> >         Thanks Daniel,
> >
> >         My host does add an alias for every list I create.  I can't play
> > with the alias file without asking the server admin to rewrite the file
> > for me.  One thing I'm wondering is: can I write an email address
> > instead of a filename in the restrict_post variable?  The email I'm
> > thinking of is the sports-nomail-owner email or another I create for the
> > GM of each simulations.
> >



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From: Shane Lambert <shane@shanelambert.com>
Organization: Five Buck Host [ http://www.fivebuckhost.net/ ]
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I have searched the archives for hours and not found an answer to this
question. I am running RedHat Linx 7.2 and Majordomo Version 1.94.5. I
have a program called Webppliance by Ensim installed which is used to
create mailing lists. Now, I can create a list and add users and if I
send a message to that list all e-mail addresses get the email, so I
assumed that Majordomo was working.

However, if I send commands to say majordomo@fivebuckhost.com such as
help, lists, config, or whatever I never get a response, NEVER. I don't
get bounced messages, I don't get messages to root about an error, I
don't get anything. I have a list called clients@fivebuckhost.com which
works when sending e-mails, but I can't do anything else, and users
can't subscribe/unsubscribe from the lists!

Any ideas?





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From: "Joe R. Jah" <jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us>
To: Ed Kasky <ed@wrenkasky.com>
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
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On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Ed Kasky wrote:

> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:30:26 -0700
> From: Ed Kasky <ed@wrenkasky.com>
> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: schlock error
> 
> MD 1.94.5 on RH 6.1
> 
> This just popped up this morning and is a new one on me.  I couldn't find 
> any reference to the specific error in the faq or the archives...
> 
> resend[13343] {listname} WARNING
> shlock: link('/usr/local/majordomo/lists/shlock.13343',
> '/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.config.LOCK'): No such file or directory
> 
> A decent amount of mail goes through this particular list with no problem.
> 
> Other mail has since gone through the same list since then.  Is is 
> something I should be concerned about?

It is possible that your server became very busy and could not create the
LOCK file in time.  You may want to tune it for your server; see your
majordomo.cf file:
-----------------------------------8<----------------------------------
# Tune how long set_lock tries to obtain a lock before giving up. Each
# attempt waits 1 to 10 seconds before trying again and waittime is
# the total minimum time spent trying. This defaults to 600 seconds (5
# minutes), which translates to no less then 60 nor more than 600 tries.
# 
# $shlock'waittime = 1200;
-----------------------------------8<----------------------------------

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Joe
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Subject: Re: Digests and the RaQ4
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For my lists I am unable to have a digest...  Part of my config is below, note the comment "This item does not currently
work.  Leave it blank."  I do not know the reason for this, guess I should ask...  From what I understand (when I was having
difficulty before and some people tried to assist me) majordomo on a Cobalt server is configured differently than on other
servers...  I'm just happy I can now edit my config since they "upgraded" me, I couldn't do that before...  Is this the same
for you John?

Babs


# digest_archive       [absolute_dir] (undef) <digest>
# The directory where the digest archive is kept. This item does
# not currently work. Leave it blank.
digest_archive      =

# digest_issue         [integer] (1) <digest>
# The issue number of the next issue
digest_issue        =   1

# digest_maxdays       [integer] (undef) <digest>
# automatically generate a new digest when the age of the oldest
# article in the queue exceeds this number of days.
digest_maxdays      =

# digest_maxlines      [integer] (undef) <digest>
# automatically generate a new digest when the size of the digest
# exceeds this number of lines.
digest_maxlines     =

# digest_name          [string] (feuser) <digest>
# The subject line for the digest. This string has the volume  and
# issue appended to it.
digest_name         =

# digest_rm_footer     [word] (undef) <digest>
# The value is the name of the list that applies the header and
# footers to the messages that are received by digest. This allows
# the list supplied headers and footers to be stripped before the
# messages are included in the digest. This keyword is currently
# non operative.
digest_rm_footer    =

# digest_rm_fronter    [word] (undef) <digest>
# Works just like digest_rm_footer, except it removes the front
# material. Just like digest_rm_footer, it is also non-operative.
digest_rm_fronter   =

# digest_volume        [integer] (1) <digest>
# The current volume number
digest_volume       =   1

# digest_work_dir      [absolute_dir] (undef) <digest>
# The directory used as scratch space for digest. Don't  change
# this unless you know what you are doing
digest_work_dir     =


----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
To: "BubblyBabs" <bubblybabs@gmx.net>
Cc: "John Pearson" <jpearson@ColoradoCollege.edu>; <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Digests and the RaQ4


> Let me reiterate, that IF you have shell access to the RaQ server,
> I do not see why the default installation of majordomo could not
> be massaged into handling archives and digests by following the
> instructions in the URL listed previously.  Does Sun remove these
> tools from the majordomo directory when they supply the server?
> If you only have access to a GUI, I can understand the burden,
> but even GUIs can be modified.
>
> Dan Liston
>
> BubblyBabs wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Pearson" <jpearson@ColoradoCollege.edu>
> > To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:35 AM
> > Subject: FW: Digests and the RaQ4
> >
> > Yes, I looked, and no, it was of no help in this instance.  I've learned the
> > RaQ4's default installation (as supplied by Sun) does not have the ability to
> > run digests or make archives...only run simple lists.  In order for Digests
> > to work, you must start over with an entirely new instance of Majordomo and
> > conf it.  :(   Live and learn!
> > -John Pearson
> >
> > I'm also on a RaQ (used to be a 2 now a 4, my host upgraded me so I could handle my mailing list w/o bugging them all the
> > time)...
> > I use a program called SVList that will digest my emails for me...  I bought this program a while ago when my mailing
list
> > was small and didn't require much CPU usage...  It's still useful for digesting and making HTML webpages of the
digests...
> > Plus I use the program as a second way to keep track of my members...
> >
> > Don't know if you want to fork out the money for the program but it's an option...
> >
> > There is another less expensive program out there called LightningMail located here:
> > http://www.v-d-l.com/lm.html
> > I don't know if it digests though...
> >
> > Babs
>



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The key to digests and archives lie in how the majordomo.cf file is configured.
The digest_work_dir in the .config file should equate to the digest_work_dir in
majordomo.cf file.  This directory MUST exist and have the proper permissions
and ownerships in order to get functionality.  Since this variable is already
defined in the majordomo.cf file, it can and should be left blank in the .config
file.

Archiving and digests require specific settings in the majordomo.cf, aliases
in the /etc/aliases or /etc/aliases.majordomo that correspond to those settings,
and as mentioned in the comment above, properly provisioned directory structures.

IF all these pieces are in place, there is no need to try to override the global
majordomo.cf file with settings in your listname.config file.

Dan Liston

BubblyBabs wrote:
> 
> For my lists I am unable to have a digest...  Part of my config is below, note the comment "This item does not currently
> work.  Leave it blank."  I do not know the reason for this, guess I should ask...  From what I understand (when I was having
> difficulty before and some people tried to assist me) majordomo on a Cobalt server is configured differently than on other
> servers...  I'm just happy I can now edit my config since they "upgraded" me, I couldn't do that before...  Is this the same
> for you John?
> 
> Babs
> 
> # digest_archive       [absolute_dir] (undef) <digest>
> # The directory where the digest archive is kept. This item does
> # not currently work. Leave it blank.
> digest_archive      =
> 
> # digest_issue         [integer] (1) <digest>
> # The issue number of the next issue
> digest_issue        =   1
> 
> # digest_maxdays       [integer] (undef) <digest>
> # automatically generate a new digest when the age of the oldest
> # article in the queue exceeds this number of days.
> digest_maxdays      =
> 
> # digest_maxlines      [integer] (undef) <digest>
> # automatically generate a new digest when the size of the digest
> # exceeds this number of lines.
> digest_maxlines     =
> 
> # digest_name          [string] (feuser) <digest>
> # The subject line for the digest. This string has the volume  and
> # issue appended to it.
> digest_name         =
> 
> # digest_rm_footer     [word] (undef) <digest>
> # The value is the name of the list that applies the header and
> # footers to the messages that are received by digest. This allows
> # the list supplied headers and footers to be stripped before the
> # messages are included in the digest. This keyword is currently
> # non operative.
> digest_rm_footer    =
> 
> # digest_rm_fronter    [word] (undef) <digest>
> # Works just like digest_rm_footer, except it removes the front
> # material. Just like digest_rm_footer, it is also non-operative.
> digest_rm_fronter   =
> 
> # digest_volume        [integer] (1) <digest>
> # The current volume number
> digest_volume       =   1
> 
> # digest_work_dir      [absolute_dir] (undef) <digest>
> # The directory used as scratch space for digest. Don't  change
> # this unless you know what you are doing
> digest_work_dir     =
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
> To: "BubblyBabs" <bubblybabs@gmx.net>
> Cc: "John Pearson" <jpearson@ColoradoCollege.edu>; <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Digests and the RaQ4
> 
> > Let me reiterate, that IF you have shell access to the RaQ server,
> > I do not see why the default installation of majordomo could not
> > be massaged into handling archives and digests by following the
> > instructions in the URL listed previously.  Does Sun remove these
> > tools from the majordomo directory when they supply the server?
> > If you only have access to a GUI, I can understand the burden,
> > but even GUIs can be modified.
> >
> > Dan Liston
> >
> > BubblyBabs wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Pearson" <jpearson@ColoradoCollege.edu>
> > > To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:35 AM
> > > Subject: FW: Digests and the RaQ4
> > >
> > > Yes, I looked, and no, it was of no help in this instance.  I've learned the
> > > RaQ4's default installation (as supplied by Sun) does not have the ability to
> > > run digests or make archives...only run simple lists.  In order for Digests
> > > to work, you must start over with an entirely new instance of Majordomo and
> > > conf it.  :(   Live and learn!
> > > -John Pearson
> > >
> > > I'm also on a RaQ (used to be a 2 now a 4, my host upgraded me so I could handle my mailing list w/o bugging them all the
> > > time)...
> > > I use a program called SVList that will digest my emails for me...  I bought this program a while ago when my mailing
> list
> > > was small and didn't require much CPU usage...  It's still useful for digesting and making HTML webpages of the
> digests...
> > > Plus I use the program as a second way to keep track of my members...
> > >
> > > Don't know if you want to fork out the money for the program but it's an option...
> > >
> > > There is another less expensive program out there called LightningMail located here:
> > > http://www.v-d-l.com/lm.html
> > > I don't know if it digests though...
> > >
> > > Babs
> >



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Hi Michel:
  Thanks for your advice and I have tried many times these days and 
still can't make it. I have got rid of all the comments but the same error
still insist.
  Here is the error message: The new config file for cssa was NOT accepted because:
syntax error at (eval 10) line 1, near "=~ ."
  Which email application you are using? Maybe that's my email application's problem,
I have tried outlook,eudora and another application.
  Thanks and have a good night!
Gongqin
>	I had the same problem and I believe it was because the email
>software wrapped some of the lines...  Have you tried to put a large
>number as the wrapping position in your browser...
>
>	Mine just didn't work so I got rid of all the comments and
>included only the variables, the problem there is that the end result
>doesn't have the comments either (majordomo doesn't place them back),
>but if you only use newconfig then that should be ok.
>
>	Michel



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Out of curiousity, what does your "restrict_post" line look like?
Are all the filenames separated by <COLON> or <SPACE> characters?
Are there any other non AlphaNumeric characters on that line?
If these files are not in your "lists" directory, are they fully
qualified?

Dan Liston

Gongqin Shen wrote:
> 
> Hi Michel:
>   Thanks for your advice and I have tried many times these days and
> still can't make it. I have got rid of all the comments but the same error
> still insist.
>   Here is the error message: The new config file for cssa was NOT accepted because:
> syntax error at (eval 10) line 1, near "=~ ."
>   Which email application you are using? Maybe that's my email application's problem,
> I have tried outlook,eudora and another application.
>   Thanks and have a good night!
> Gongqin
> >       I had the same problem and I believe it was because the email
> >software wrapped some of the lines...  Have you tried to put a large
> >number as the wrapping position in your browser...
> >
> >       Mine just didn't work so I got rid of all the comments and
> >included only the variables, the problem there is that the end result
> >doesn't have the comments either (majordomo doesn't place them back),
> >but if you only use newconfig then that should be ok.
> >
> >       Michel


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Need some help with a strange error.  When I mail to a mailing list I get t=
he following.



The original message was received at Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:37:45 -0400
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   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l fakelist fake-list"
    (reason: 6)
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Message delivered to mailing list <fake-list@burtwatson.com>
Illegal command: resend
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from: &lt;<A=20
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command: resend<BR>554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 6<BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:12:41 -0500
From: Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org>
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To: Jeremy Kettelhohn <jkettelhohn@burtwatson.com>
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: strange error
References: <012001c24785$f42345d0$0db7920a@ov1yd7>
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1.) Make sure your messages are in plain text, not HTML.
2.) What basic information was left out of this message?
	a.) Operating system
	b.) MTA
	c.) version of majordomo
	d.) all of the above
3.) Assuming linux, sendmail, and 1.94.5, do you have a
link to wrapper in /etc/smrsh?  As root do
`ln -s /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper`
4.) If 3's assumption is incorrect, provide 2(a,b,c).

Dan Liston

> Jeremy Kettelhohn wrote:
> 
> Need some help with a strange error.  When I mail to a mailing list I get the following.
> 
> 
> 
> The original message was received at Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:37:45 -0400
> from mail5.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.204]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l fakelist fake-list"
>     (reason: 6)
>     (expanded from: <fake-list@burtwatson.com>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Message delivered to mailing list <fake-list@burtwatson.com>
> Illegal command: resend
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 6


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Subject: Blocking addresses in Majordomo
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
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From: mbowman@vbcomm.net
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:19:28 -0400
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This might seem an odd problem, however one of our clients who has a list
wants to prevent a subscriber from re-subscribing when removed. It is not a
bogus email address just some kid sending unwanted posts.  We don't want to
block the address server wide.  Can we email addresses from submitting to
majordomo?

Cobalt RaQ XTR
Sendmail 8.10.2
Majordomo 1.94.4-raqC13


Thanks

Matthew K Bowman,
Systems Administrator.




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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TWljaGVsIEP0dOk=?=" <michel.cote@millenniumsend.org>
To: <mbowman@vbcomm.net>, <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Re: Blocking addresses in Majordomo
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:27:23 -0400
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	Well simply close the subscription of that particular list so
all subscription will be bounced to the mailing-list-owner email, once a
subscription request is received the owner can process it.

	Michel


-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-
-> owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of mbowman@vbcomm.net
-> Sent: 19 ao=FBt, 2002 13:19
-> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
-> Subject: Blocking addresses in Majordomo
->=20
-> This might seem an odd problem, however one of our clients who has a
list
-> wants to prevent a subscriber from re-subscribing when removed. It is
not a
-> bogus email address just some kid sending unwanted posts.  We don't
want to
-> block the address server wide.  Can we email addresses from
submitting to
-> majordomo?
->=20
-> Cobalt RaQ XTR
-> Sendmail 8.10.2
-> Majordomo 1.94.4-raqC13
->=20
->=20
-> Thanks
->=20
-> Matthew K Bowman,
-> Systems Administrator.





From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Mon Aug 19 12:54:45 2002
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Subject: Re: Blocking addresses in Majordomo
To: "Michel =?iso-8859-1?Q?C=F4t=E9?=" <michel.cote@millenniumsend.org>
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com,
	majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com, mbowman@vbcomm.net
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From: mbowman@vbcomm.net
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:52:08 -0400
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That would work if the client wanted a 'closed' subscription to the list.
They want to specifically block certain emails from posting.



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           Well simply close the subscription of that particular list so
all subscription will be bounced to the mailing-list-owner email, once a
subscription request is received the owner can process it.

           Michel


-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-
-> owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of mbowman@vbcomm.net
-> Sent: 19 ao=FBt, 2002 13:19
-> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
-> Subject: Blocking addresses in Majordomo
->
-> This might seem an odd problem, however one of our clients who has a
list
-> wants to prevent a subscriber from re-subscribing when removed. It is
not a
-> bogus email address just some kid sending unwanted posts.  We don't
want to
-> block the address server wide.  Can we email addresses from
submitting to
-> majordomo?
->
-> Cobalt RaQ XTR
-> Sendmail 8.10.2
-> Majordomo 1.94.4-raqC13
->
->
-> Thanks
->
-> Matthew K Bowman,
-> Systems Administrator.










From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Mon Aug 19 13:00:37 2002
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Subject: Re: Blocking addresses in Majordomo
To: "Michel =?iso-8859-1?Q?C=F4t=E9?=" <michel.cote@millenniumsend.org>
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com,
	majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com, mbowman@vbcomm.net
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From: "Charles Mount" <cmount@csc.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:58:58 -0500
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There are a number of other things you could do.  Depending on traffic you
might want to make this a moderated list rather than a closed list.  This
way messages rather than subscriptions go to the list's owner for approval.
You could also use "taboo_headers" to watch for this kids from address.
This would only bounce messages from this kid to the list's owner.




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           Well simply close the subscription of that particular list so
all subscription will be bounced to the mailing-list-owner email, once a
subscription request is received the owner can process it.

           Michel


-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-
-> owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of mbowman@vbcomm.net
-> Sent: 19 ao=FBt, 2002 13:19
-> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
-> Subject: Blocking addresses in Majordomo
->
-> This might seem an odd problem, however one of our clients who has a
list
-> wants to prevent a subscriber from re-subscribing when removed. It is
not a
-> bogus email address just some kid sending unwanted posts.  We don't
want to
-> block the address server wide.  Can we email addresses from
submitting to
-> majordomo?
->
-> Cobalt RaQ XTR
-> Sendmail 8.10.2
-> Majordomo 1.94.4-raqC13
->
->
-> Thanks
->
-> Matthew K Bowman,
-> Systems Administrator.










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How does one set a "tab" for an email list, such as Yahoogroups uses? I set
up a list and there is no indication the post I send is from the list. With
Yahoogroups, the list owner can set a "tab' which shows in the subject line
of the email indicating which list sent it. For example, if it was sent from
a list called "Hotdogs" the tab would be [Hotdogs]. I need help with this as
it is important for my subscribers to know when a post is from my list.

Thank you,





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How can I change the Maintainer's Email-Address? I've looked in all the help
files and I can't find any information on this.

Thanks,




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I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth on the config-test.0 
patch.  I like it, it is very simple, but I disagree with
the " - should be 777" portion of the very first change.

If you are running sendmail 8.9.3 or newer, the 777 
permission on the lists directory will prevent you from 
distributing mail to the aliases with :include: on the 
RightHandSide.  755 is about as loose as you dare to go.  
If you are security conscious, 751 would be even better.

Dan Liston


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It is in the config file settings for the list.  Set the parameter:

subject_prefix = [Hotdogs]

Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: Bonnie [mailto:bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:11 PM
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Setting a tab

How does one set a "tab" for an email list, such as Yahoogroups uses? I set
up a list and there is no indication the post I send is from the list. With
Yahoogroups, the list owner can set a "tab' which shows in the subject line
of the email indicating which list sent it. For example, if it was sent from
a list called "Hotdogs" the tab would be [Hotdogs]. I need help with this as
it is important for my subscribers to know when a post is from my list.

Thank you,





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What you are calling a "tab" is called a "subject_prefix" in your list.config
file.  If your list is called "Hotdogs", in your hotdogs.config file you have
subject_prefix = [Hotdogs]
or
subject_prefix = [$LIST]

HINT:
Posts from your list are identifiable by headers other than the "subject" 
too.  Take a look at this message.  It does not have [majordomo-users] in 
the subject but the "sender" is always majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com.

Dan Liston

Bonnie wrote:
> 
> How does one set a "tab" for an email list, such as Yahoogroups uses? I set
> up a list and there is no indication the post I send is from the list. With
> Yahoogroups, the list owner can set a "tab' which shows in the subject line
> of the email indicating which list sent it. For example, if it was sent from
> a list called "Hotdogs" the tab would be [Hotdogs]. I need help with this as
> it is important for my subscribers to know when a post is from my list.
> 
> Thank you,


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This is called an "owner" or a "moderator" in majordomo.  If your
list is not moderated, that address also defaults to the "owner".
Look through your /etc/aliases file for 
hotdogs-owner: jdoe@example.com
or 
owner-hotdogs: jdoe@example.com

and change jdoe@example.com to bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net

Dan Liston

Bonnie wrote:
> 
> How can I change the Maintainer's Email-Address? I've looked in all the help
> files and I can't find any information on this.
> 
> Thanks,


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On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Daniel Liston wrote:

> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:38:52 -0500
> From: Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org>
> To: Majordomo-users <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>,
     Majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com
> Subject: config-test.0 patch
> 
> 
> I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth on the config-test.0 
> patch.  I like it, it is very simple, but I disagree with
> the " - should be 777" portion of the very first change.
> 
> If you are running sendmail 8.9.3 or newer, the 777 
> permission on the lists directory will prevent you from 
> distributing mail to the aliases with :include: on the 
> RightHandSide.  755 is about as loose as you dare to go.  
> If you are security conscious, 751 would be even better.

I agree; I moved it to the 0ld directory, upgraded it to config-test.3
with your comments in it;)

Regards,

Joe
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-
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----- Original Message -----
From: <mbowman@vbcomm.net>
To: "Michel Côté" <michel.cote@millenniumsend.org>
Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>;
<majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com>; <mbowman@vbcomm.net>
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Subject: Re: Blocking addresses in Majordomo



That would work if the client wanted a 'closed' subscription to the
list.
They want to specifically block certain emails from posting.



The way I read the message, (please excuse me if I'm mistaken,) they
want to block an address from subscribing, not just posting.     That's
somethin I've wanted to do in the past but not been able to do with
majodomo, though I used to do it with ezmlm.

regards

mw

www.satchmo.win-uk.net/arsehome




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ok one more... :)

How do I forward emails from my domain to another address? (Actually, I have
several accounts on my domain that I'd like to come to one address.)

Thanks :)

BJ



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This can be done several ways.  One is to put a .forward on each account
that you want forwarded, another is to create aliases which redirect to
the other account, and if you are referring to hosted domains, you can 
use the virtusertable one the individual addresses being rewritten and
add a "catchall" to a single address.  These are not functions of 
majordomo, but are part of sendmail.  You can find these answers and 
more at www.sendmail.org in the FAQ.

Dan Liston

Bonnie wrote:
> 
> ok one more... :)
> 
> How do I forward emails from my domain to another address? (Actually, I have
> several accounts on my domain that I'd like to come to one address.)
> 
> Thanks :)
> 
> BJ


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I'm hoping someone can tell me why I'm getting the following error message:

"MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

Majordomo@webct.com: "Sepideh Biggs"<> is not a valid return address."

I'm getting about 30 of these per day.  I don't have anyone even close to t=
his name subscribed to any of my lists.  Anybody know where to look?

Thanx, Rick.


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To prevent posting to the list, but you allow anyone on the list
to post, you must taboo the offending user.  This still allows 
the user to post, but the message is not distributed until the
owner/moderator approves the email.  In other words, any taboo
that is matched is sent to the moderator/owner.

Since the message must come from an address in the subscriber
or membership list due to restrict_post settings anyway, just
add that address to the taboo_headers using the following syntax:

/username\@subscribed\.address/i

First and last front slash "/" enclose the expression.
The "i" modifier at the end ignores the case of the match.
The back slashes "\" escape the character that follows it,
making it a literal value. "@" signs must always be escaped.

Dan Liston

Mike Winnett wrote:
> 
> -
> -
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mbowman@vbcomm.net>
> To: "Michel Côté" <michel.cote@millenniumsend.org>
> Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>;
> <majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com>; <mbowman@vbcomm.net>
> Sent: 19 August 2002 20:52
> Subject: Re: Blocking addresses in Majordomo
> 
> That would work if the client wanted a 'closed' subscription to the
> list.
> They want to specifically block certain emails from posting.
> 
> The way I read the message, (please excuse me if I'm mistaken,) they
> want to block an address from subscribing, not just posting.     That's
> somethin I've wanted to do in the past but not been able to do with
> majodomo, though I used to do it with ezmlm.
> 
> regards
> 
> mw
> 
> www.satchmo.win-uk.net/arsehome


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Check your list for blank lines, or lines missing an "@" sign.  Also
check for anyone subscribed as postmaster or mailer-daemon.  Don't 
forget, when you search, look for upper and lower case combinations.
The -i argument to grep will ignore case, and ":set ic" in vi will do
the same.

Dan Liston

"Herding, Rick" wrote:
> 
> I'm hoping someone can tell me why I'm getting the following error message:
> 
> "MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
> 
> Majordomo@webct.com: "Sepideh Biggs"<> is not a valid return address."
> 
> I'm getting about 30 of these per day.  I don't have anyone even close to this name subscribed to any of my lists.  Anybody know where to look?
> 
> Thanx, Rick.


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I use the which command to majordomo@myhost because case doesn't matter.
I've also written a perl script that lower cases everything in my lists so
if I do need to search from Unix, I don't have to bother with case.

Another thing I've seen is someone subscribed to a list, then changed email
addresses and simply put a forwarder at one to point to the other. So, you
may not get a match. But, if you know which list, which should be in the
header of the bounced email, then you can send a test to the list asking
for a response. You then check the headers of the response. I do this using
procmail by adding a simple rule checking the header for the name in
question. The rule saves the email to a uniquely named box and if it shows
up, I have a match and can solve the problem.

I've used this approach several times. In one case, I've created another
rule that notifies the offending ISP that their aliasing rules are
broken... Long story. One way I know if the rules are being followed is
that I cc my abuse user on my server. I check the abuse email carefully to
see what's being 'bounced' by my rules.

Here's a sample:

:0 Bh
 *The Best Porn Site On The Net Guaranteed
 *!^X-Loop: NoMailLoops
 |(formail -rtb -I "Precedence: junk" -I "cc: abuse@ourldsfamily.com" -I
"Subject: Do Not Send To This Domain" -A "X-Loop: NoMailLoops"; \
  echo " "; \
  cat /opt/md/spamcode ; \
  echo " "; \
 )|$SENDMAIL -fabuse@ourldsfamily.com -oi -t

The line containing formail wraps here, but should be one long line. And
the /opt/md/spamcode file contains:

-You are sending unsolicited and unwanted SPAM.
-
-Cease and desist and remove all email addresses with the words
-ourfam or ourldsfamily from your databases.
-
-Stop sending emails without a workable option to unsubscribe
-before we're tempted to take legal action in accordance with
-US Code Title 47, Sec.227(b)(1)(C), Sec.227(a)(2)(B).
-
-In accordance with the above laws, violation of our privacy with
-advertising or SPAM may result in a MINIMUM of $500 damages/incident,
-$1500 for repeats.

Hope this goes well beyond helping...

--
Karl L. Pearson
Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
Senior Consulting Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml

On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Daniel Liston wrote:

>
>Check your list for blank lines, or lines missing an "@" sign.  Also
>check for anyone subscribed as postmaster or mailer-daemon.  Don't
>forget, when you search, look for upper and lower case combinations.
>The -i argument to grep will ignore case, and ":set ic" in vi will do
>the same.
>
>Dan Liston
>
>"Herding, Rick" wrote:
>>
>> I'm hoping someone can tell me why I'm getting the following error message:
>>
>> "MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
>>
>> Majordomo@webct.com: "Sepideh Biggs"<> is not a valid return address."
>>
>> I'm getting about 30 of these per day.  I don't have anyone even close to this name subscribed to any of my lists.  Anybody know where to look?
>>
>> Thanx, Rick.
>



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"Herding, Rick" <Rick.Herding@webct.com> wrote:

> I'm hoping someone can tell me why I'm getting the following error message:
> 
> "MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
> 
> Majordomo@webct.com: "Sepideh Biggs"<> is not a valid return address."
> 
> I'm getting about 30 of these per day.  I don't have anyone even close to this name subscribed to any of my lists.  Anybody know where to look?

This is not caused by addresses already on your lists.  Someone is
sending requests to your Majordomo address and those requests contain
that bogus half-baked email address as their reply address.  Majordomo
knows that the address is bogus so it complains to you rather than
trying to respond to the bad address.

The easiest way to proceed is to change your Majordomo request alias to
copy all incoming requests into a mailbox in addition to passing them
to the majordomo wrapper command.  Then you can look at the mailbox and
try to figure out where the mailformed requests are coming from.  If
you're lucky it'll be the Reply-To header that's mangled and the From
field will have an address that you can use to contact the request's
sender.

If you're using Sendmail then in your aliases file change the
existing:

    majordomo: "|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"

to:

    majordomo: "|/path/to/majordomo/wrapper majordomo",majordomo-log

and define the new majordomo-log destination as something like:

    majordomo-log: /path/to/majordomo/History

Be careful to pick a pathname name that doesn't clash with something
Majordomo already uses.  The obvious "/path/to/majordomo/Log", for
instance, is already used to hold a one-line record of each command
Majordomo processes.

Then 'touch /path/to/majordomo/History', set its ownership and
permissions to something that Sendmail can write to (perhaps 'chmod
660; chgrp daemon'), wait for the next error report, and then carefully
examine the contents of the History mailbox.

Mike.
-- 
mike.oliver@sun.com




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This reply was intended for the whole list too...

Richard Welty wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:10:34 -0500 Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Check your list for blank lines, or lines missing an "@" sign.  Also
> > check for anyone subscribed as postmaster or mailer-daemon.  Don't
> > forget, when you search, look for upper and lower case combinations.
> > The -i argument to grep will ignore case, and ":set ic" in vi will do
> > the same.
> 
> it could also be a spammer hitting his majordomo alias, in which case he
> should just ignore the messages.
> 
> richard
> --
> Richard Welty
> rwelty@suespammers.org                                 Averill Park Networking
> rwelty@averillpark.net           Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security
> rwelty@krusty-motorsports.com                                     518-573-7592


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Forgive me, but I am grabbing that spamcode (making modifications) and
applying it to my domain's global spambounce recipe.  Thank you very much!
It will be nice to quote US Code back to the spammers for a change.

Dan Liston

karlp@ourldsfamily.com wrote:
> 
> I use the which command to majordomo@myhost because case doesn't matter.
> I've also written a perl script that lower cases everything in my lists so
> if I do need to search from Unix, I don't have to bother with case.
> 
> Another thing I've seen is someone subscribed to a list, then changed email
> addresses and simply put a forwarder at one to point to the other. So, you
> may not get a match. But, if you know which list, which should be in the
> header of the bounced email, then you can send a test to the list asking
> for a response. You then check the headers of the response. I do this using
> procmail by adding a simple rule checking the header for the name in
> question. The rule saves the email to a uniquely named box and if it shows
> up, I have a match and can solve the problem.
> 
> I've used this approach several times. In one case, I've created another
> rule that notifies the offending ISP that their aliasing rules are
> broken... Long story. One way I know if the rules are being followed is
> that I cc my abuse user on my server. I check the abuse email carefully to
> see what's being 'bounced' by my rules.
> 
> Here's a sample:
> 
> :0 Bh
>  *The Best Porn Site On The Net Guaranteed
>  *!^X-Loop: NoMailLoops
>  |(formail -rtb -I "Precedence: junk" -I "cc: abuse@ourldsfamily.com" -I
> "Subject: Do Not Send To This Domain" -A "X-Loop: NoMailLoops"; \
>   echo " "; \
>   cat /opt/md/spamcode ; \
>   echo " "; \
>  )|$SENDMAIL -fabuse@ourldsfamily.com -oi -t
> 
> The line containing formail wraps here, but should be one long line. And
> the /opt/md/spamcode file contains:
> 
> -You are sending unsolicited and unwanted SPAM.
> -
> -Cease and desist and remove all email addresses with the words
> -ourfam or ourldsfamily from your databases.
> -
> -Stop sending emails without a workable option to unsubscribe
> -before we're tempted to take legal action in accordance with
> -US Code Title 47, Sec.227(b)(1)(C), Sec.227(a)(2)(B).
> -
> -In accordance with the above laws, violation of our privacy with
> -advertising or SPAM may result in a MINIMUM of $500 damages/incident,
> -$1500 for repeats.
> 
> Hope this goes well beyond helping...
> 
> --
> Karl L. Pearson
> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
> 
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
> >
> >Check your list for blank lines, or lines missing an "@" sign.  Also
> >check for anyone subscribed as postmaster or mailer-daemon.  Don't
> >forget, when you search, look for upper and lower case combinations.
> >The -i argument to grep will ignore case, and ":set ic" in vi will do
> >the same.
> >
> >Dan Liston
> >
> >"Herding, Rick" wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm hoping someone can tell me why I'm getting the following error message:
> >>
> >> "MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
> >>
> >> Majordomo@webct.com: "Sepideh Biggs"<> is not a valid return address."
> >>
> >> I'm getting about 30 of these per day.  I don't have anyone even close to this name subscribed to any of my lists.  Anybody know where to look?
> >>
> >> Thanx, Rick.
> >


From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Tue Aug 20 12:56:59 2002
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:56:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Zhigang Chen <zhigangc@engin.umich.edu>
To: <Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM>
Subject: A quick question
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Hey

I installed majordomo on linux 7.2 and was trying to add an email address
to a list. From that email account, a confirmation reply was sent, but
returned soon. The machine where majordomo is installed has not pop3 or
imaps service.

Do I need to start any pop3 or imaps server?


Thanks a lot

zhigang



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No, majordomo has no dependency on POP or IMAP protocals.
Make sure your sendmail can reach the recipient of the mail.
If not, majordomo can not do anything to help.

Dan Liston

Zhigang Chen wrote:
> 
> Hey
> 
> I installed majordomo on linux 7.2 and was trying to add an email address
> to a list. From that email account, a confirmation reply was sent, but
> returned soon. The machine where majordomo is installed has not pop3 or
> imaps service.
> 
> Do I need to start any pop3 or imaps server?
> 
> Thanks a lot
> 
> zhigang


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    Hi all,

    I use majordomo ver 1.94.5, but I have no idea what my sendmail version
is (don't have access to it).

    What I would like to do is log the activity of some or all lists on my
majordomo.  I want to know how many post were sent, by whom and the subject.

    I have a lot of request for this from some of my mailing lists owners.

    If I could have some sort of switch to enable the logging for specific
lists that would be great otherwise logging all the lists (about 30) would
be good too.

    Thanks,

    Michel Côté




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The how many posts and by whom can be retrieved by grepping your maillog 
files.  The subject is another matter.  If you have procmail, or even 
archives or digests, you could extract the information that way.  Hmm, 
if these list owners wanted a monthly report, you could just set up a
digest that goes out monthly, to just the owner.  If your lists already
have digests that go out more frequently, you could still set up a 
separate digest for each list that is monthly.

If all you need is summary infomation, you may want to consider procmail, 
with a recipe that just lets every message through, but writes an entry
to a log with From: and Subject: header information.  You would still have
to parse that log to get your reports though.

Dan Liston

Michel Côté wrote:
> 
>     Hi all,
> 
>     I use majordomo ver 1.94.5, but I have no idea what my sendmail version
> is (don't have access to it).
> 
>     What I would like to do is log the activity of some or all lists on my
> majordomo.  I want to know how many post were sent, by whom and the subject.
> 
>     I have a lot of request for this from some of my mailing lists owners.
> 
>     If I could have some sort of switch to enable the logging for specific
> lists that would be great otherwise logging all the lists (about 30) would
> be good too.
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
>     Michel Côté


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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:56:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Zhigang Chen <zhigangc@engin.umich.edu>
To: Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org>
Cc: <Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Re: A quick question
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> Since majordomo was able to reply by sending the confirmation
> request to you successfully, I can only assume that your reply
> message was sent back to the wrong place, which was why it
> bounced back to you.  Perhaps you sent your request to umich.edu
> rather than apple.umich.edu?
apple and banana are in the same subnet. When I send email from a
different email account to zhigangc@apple.umich.edu.
I can receive the message at banana, but not apple. zhigangc is the
account that both apple and banana have. If a message is sent to
majordomo@apple.umich.edu, the message is bounced back because there is no
majordomo at banana.


Thank you for your reply.

zhigang
>
> Dan Liston
>



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What using about the ~/Tools/makeindex.pl script that, if I'm not mistaken,
came with 1.94.5? I run it in a cron every night. I can send an email to
majordomo and then get TOPICS or get CONTENTS and have my summar[y|ies]
right there.

--
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Senior Consulting Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml

On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Daniel Liston wrote:

>
>The how many posts and by whom can be retrieved by grepping your maillog
>files.  The subject is another matter.  If you have procmail, or even
>archives or digests, you could extract the information that way.  Hmm,
>if these list owners wanted a monthly report, you could just set up a
>digest that goes out monthly, to just the owner.  If your lists already
>have digests that go out more frequently, you could still set up a
>separate digest for each list that is monthly.
>
>If all you need is summary infomation, you may want to consider procmail,
>with a recipe that just lets every message through, but writes an entry
>to a log with From: and Subject: header information.  You would still have
>to parse that log to get your reports though.
>
>Dan Liston
>
>Michel C=F4t=E9 wrote:
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     I use majordomo ver 1.94.5, but I have no idea what my sendmail vers=
ion
>> is (don't have access to it).
>>
>>     What I would like to do is log the activity of some or all lists on =
my
>> majordomo.  I want to know how many post were sent, by whom and the subj=
ect.
>>
>>     I have a lot of request for this from some of my mailing lists owner=
s.
>>
>>     If I could have some sort of switch to enable the logging for specif=
ic
>> lists that would be great otherwise logging all the lists (about 30) wou=
ld
>> be good too.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     Michel C=F4t=E9
>



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To: "Jolley, Carl" <Carl.Jolley@RCC.ORG>
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Jolley, Carl wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Karl Pearson
>>What about using the ~/Tools/makeindex.pl script that, if I'm not
>>mistaken, came with 1.94.5? I run it in a cron every night. I can send
>>an email to majordomo and then get TOPICS or get CONTENTS and have my
>>summar[y|ies] right there.
>
>-------------------------
>
>Tools/makeindex.pl requires that your list be set up to create a digest.
>And it assumes that any file in the archive directory (except for the
>CONTENT
>and TOPICS file which it creates) are digests. AFAIK it doesn't capture any
>information about the time that the individual messages were sent.
>

You are correct. I just checked mine.

Thanks,




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Zhigang Chen wrote:

>>Since majordomo was able to reply by sending the confirmation
>>request to you successfully, I can only assume that your reply
>>message was sent back to the wrong place, which was why it
>>bounced back to you.  Perhaps you sent your request to umich.edu
>>rather than apple.umich.edu?
>>
>apple and banana are in the same subnet. When I send email from a
>different email account to zhigangc@apple.umich.edu.
>I can receive the message at banana, but not apple. zhigangc is the
>account that both apple and banana have. If a message is sent to
>majordomo@apple.umich.edu, the message is bounced back because there is no majordomo at banana.
>
If you do not have a .forward or an entry in the /etc/aliases file on 
apple that redirects your mail from apple to banana, this tells me that 
you have MTA (sendmail) issues that need to be worked out.  I am curious 
about how majordomo was able to reply from apple in the first place, if 
mail to apple ends up on banana.  How did you get your original 
subscription request to majordomo?  It sounds like something somewhere 
upstream needs to be informed of the addresses on apple, so that email 
actually routes to apple for the addresses that live on that server. 
 This is "not" a funtionality of majordomo, but your MTA and/or your 
upstream MTA(s).

Ignoring majordomo for the moment, and focussing on your email flow 
between servers, do apple and banana talk to each other directly, or is 
there a higher authority (smarthost) that both must talk to in order to 
send email out?   Can you send a message for example from apple to me at 
my domain, and another from banana, so that I can compare headers of 
each message?  If I reply to either message or both, will those messages 
be delivered at the host the original message was sent from?  Without 
this basic funtionality, your email service is broken and must be fixed. 
 What tests have you performed to determine email works (to and from) 
apple.unich.edu?  Have you examined the /var/log/maillog* files on apple 
to see if sendmail is receiving?

Getting back to majordomo, only after the above funtionality is working, 
can we diagnose potential issues with majordomo.  Right now, your 
problem does not appear to be a majordomo problem.

Dan Liston





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Under s#ubscribe policy it says:

# s#ubscribe_policy     [enum] (open+confirm) <majordomo> /open;closed
# One of three values: open, closed, auto; plus an optional
# modifier: '+confirm'.  Open allows people to s#ubscribe themselves
# to the list. Auto allows anybody to s#ubscribe anybody to the list
# without maintainer approval. Closed requires maintainer approval
# for all s#ubscribe requests to the list.  Adding '+confirm', ie,
# 'open+confirm', will cause majordomo to send a reply back to the
# s#ubscriber which includes a authentication number which must be
# sent back in with another s#ubscribe command.
s#ubscribe_policy    =   closed

My question is, is it possible to have a policy of:

s#ubscribe_policy    =   closed+confirm

In other words have the s#ubscription handled by the list owner/moderator 
and require that it be confirmed?

Thanks,

Allen Schaaf
Sr. Tech Writer

Who says bad manuals aren't a risk to your life?  Just ask the passengers 
of the jet where the engine caught fire because the company's maintenance 
manual was wrong about how to install one key bolt.  (NTSB Report on GE CF6 
engine fire, American Airlines flight 574, July 9, 1998. 
<http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1999/AAB9903.htm>)



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Yes, that's what my server uses. We have to use a password to confirm a
subscription request so we don't do it accidentially

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http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Allen Schaaf wrote:

>Under s#ubscribe policy it says:
>
># s#ubscribe_policy     [enum] (open+confirm) <majordomo> /open;closed
># One of three values: open, closed, auto; plus an optional
># modifier: '+confirm'.  Open allows people to s#ubscribe themselves
># to the list. Auto allows anybody to s#ubscribe anybody to the list
># without maintainer approval. Closed requires maintainer approval
># for all s#ubscribe requests to the list.  Adding '+confirm', ie,
># 'open+confirm', will cause majordomo to send a reply back to the
># s#ubscriber which includes a authentication number which must be
># sent back in with another s#ubscribe command.
>s#ubscribe_policy    =   closed
>
>My question is, is it possible to have a policy of:
>
>s#ubscribe_policy    =   closed+confirm
>
>In other words have the s#ubscription handled by the list owner/moderator
>and require that it be confirmed?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Allen Schaaf
>Sr. Tech Writer
>
>Who says bad manuals aren't a risk to your life?  Just ask the passengers
>of the jet where the engine caught fire because the company's maintenance
>manual was wrong about how to install one key bolt.  (NTSB Report on GE CF6
>engine fire, American Airlines flight 574, July 9, 1998.
><http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1999/AAB9903.htm>)
>
>



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I've done all that I can do on this issue. I think
what I received from the AOL Executive office is
about as positive an answer as we can hope for. At
least it is something we can refer to if AOL goes
off in a different direction in the future.

Please share this with all who may be interested.

Jay O'Brien

See http://obri.net/aol/70.html (new correspondence
posted just after the introduction)

Or http://obri.net/aol (simpler url to main aol page)





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I have a question that should be easy enough to answer...

Is it possible to give access to the WHO command to a single email
address ?
At the moment (using the webmin interface) I can set access to Nobody,
Group Members or Everyone...

Thanks in advance.

 :: Rich Cooper >>
 :: Web Development Manager >>
 :: Thompson Systems New Media Division >>
 :: T 020 7553 4900 >>
 :: F 020 7253 8448 >>
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Rich Cooper wrote:

> Is it possible to give access to the WHO command to a single email
> address ? At the moment (using the webmin interface) I can set access to
> Nobody, Group Members or Everyone...

Not via the list.config as far as I know.  However if that person is the
list owner or someone you trust, he/she can do it via e-mail by using the
administrative password.  Set who_access = closed in list.config ("nobody"
via WebMin).  Then send the following to majordomo via e-mail:

approve <password> who <listname>

-- 
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On 21 Aug 2002 at 19:53, Jay O'Brien wrote about "AOL and Plain Text: 
a resolution?":

> I've done all that I can do on this issue. I think
> what I received from the AOL Executive office is
> about as positive an answer as we can hope for. At
> least it is something we can refer to if AOL goes
> off in a different direction in the future.

Jay,

Thanks for all your hard work and perserverance on this issue. It's 
just flabbergasting that AOL would REMOVE the ability to send plain 
text from any version, much less claim afterward that it was never 
there. Apparently, AOL 7.0 was never intended to have a plain text 
option, and the earlier builds included it by accident. That's the 
only way I can read the statements you are getting.

Even more astounding is Ryan Olson's continued statements that his 
tech people keep telling him AOL 7.0 could never send plain text and 
was never intended to send plain text, even while he admits your 
research proves that wrong. Basically, his tech people must be lying 
to him and he accepts that. I can see no other explanation for his 
statements.

The ways of large bureaucracies are still a mystery I guess, but 
thanks for giving us information we can pass on to our users about 
this issue. If they do put plain text AOL 7.0 on the FTP site, please 
inform us, as this would obviously be a better workaround than any 
others they've mentioned. But since they deny it ever existed, I'm 
not holding my breath.

Cheers!
--
We will not forget!
http://www.remember-9-11.com
http://www.ciarancummings.com



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For most of our internal mailing lists we use manually maintained includes
referenced in /etc/mail/aliases.  Some of them are starting to get hit by
spam, so I want to convert them to Majordomo lists so I can exclude posts
from non-members.  For most that's no problem because I've used Majordomo
for many years to manage a number of external lists.  However some of the
internal lists are "nested", where "list-a" contains the addresses of
"list-b", "list-c", "list-d", and so on, and "list-a" itself may be nested
within "list-z".

Are there any problems with nested Majordomo lists?  Anything to watch out
for?  I'll re-read the docs and will set up some test lists to see what
happens, but and words of wisdom from those of you who run nested Majoromo
lists (especially with multiple levels of nesting) will be greatly
appreciated.

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You may have a mess to untangle or possibly unnest these lists.
It may be better to unnest them anyway, if you want to allow any
member to post, no matter how deeply nested.  Otherwise it could
be a real nightmare getting the correct files listed in the restrict_post
variable for each list's .config file.

Are your lists primarily announcement lists?  If so, your work
will be much easier, but you will still need to do some intensive
work in yout aliases file.

Things to consider when reworking your lists from static to being
managed by majordomo in regard to nesting, are whether the users
will be allowed to remove themself from any/all lists too.  Will
they be able to post or reply?  Is a nested list included via the
aliases file or from within the list itself?  And so forth.  I do
not envy you on this project.

Good luck,
Dan Liston

Chip Old wrote

>For most of our internal mailing lists we use manually maintained includes
>referenced in /etc/mail/aliases.  Some of them are starting to get hit by
>spam, so I want to convert them to Majordomo lists so I can exclude posts
>from non-members.  For most that's no problem because I've used Majordomo
>for many years to manage a number of external lists.  However some of the
>internal lists are "nested", where "list-a" contains the addresses of
>"list-b", "list-c", "list-d", and so on, and "list-a" itself may be nested
>within "list-z".
>
>Are there any problems with nested Majordomo lists?  Anything to watch out
>for?  I'll re-read the docs and will set up some test lists to see what
>happens, but and words of wisdom from those of you who run nested Majoromo
>lists (especially with multiple levels of nesting) will be greatly
>appreciated.
>





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I've got a Majordomo mailing list that contains 14,000 subscribers. We
sent a message the other day and it put the load on our Unix Box that
contains our mail server to the roof,. I'm talking about a unix box that
has two 450 processors  4GB of Ram, no small toy,  but mighty powerful.
How can I setup this mailing list to not kill the system so hard when I
send to this mailing list, can I change something in sendmail to maybe
pause delivery after a certain amount has been delivered and keep that
sequence happening. I noticed on our mail server logs that 21 recipients
get package in an envelope a time all at once and is sent over to our
mail server. Here's our setup, we have Majordomo on a Linux box that's
using sendmail has the delivery agent that sends all of the messages to
our HPUX 11 Mail Server, because all 14,000 subscribers have an email
account on our mail server.

I've not done much configuration changes to sendmail so, I would
appreciate any help that would allow this
delivery to allow better performance.

Here is our sendmail alias configuration for that list.

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studentmemos-approval: wilson2@isu.edu
studentmemos: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper-mj resend -p  bulk -l
studentmemos -a /usr/local/majordomo/lists/studentmemos.passwd -h
mm.isu.edu studentmemos-outgoing"
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-m -f /usr/local/majordomo/archive/studentmemos.archive/studentmemos"
owner-studentmemos-request: owner-studentmemos
studentmemos-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper-mj majordomo -l
studentmemos"



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> I've not done much configuration changes to sendmail so, I would
> appreciate any help that would allow this
> delivery to allow better performance.

There are a number of performance options, which may or may not work 
depending on the facilities available in your OS.  Check out:

http://www.sendmail.org/m4/tweakingoptions.html

In particular:
confCONNECTION_RATE_THROTTLE
confWORK_RECIPIENT_FACTOR
confQUEUE_LA
etc....

                                 Dave C

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Can MajorDomo be easily used for something simple?

I would like to send out notices when I update my
website. I don't wish to create a full fledged mailing
list such as this one.

Is it easy enough to disable all the extra features?

My web host provides MajorDomo installation so would
like to use it instead of something else.

__________________________________________________
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I have recently started using Duc M. Do's excellent Perl front-end which
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Response has been more than favourable - many potential users were
confused by the raw e-mail requirements and find the new arrangement to
be much more user-friendly.

However, there is still the question of majordomo's responses. It's a
closed list so the user gets the confirmation e-mail and a "results"
e-mail which they really do not need. Similarly, after confirmation,
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Is there any way of stopping majordomo from sending "results" to the user
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Yes and yes.  My question is, "How do you intend to
populate your list?".  This can be considered serious
spam, if you do not offer visitors to your site an
"OBVIOUS" opt-out link, or the preference of whether
or not to opt-in at all.  I have been to thousands
of web sites while surfing, and 99.9% of which, I do
not have any intention of ever visiting again. (At
least not on purpose.)  If I accidently happen across
your page/site, do I automatically get added to your
list?

Dan Liston


Rob Gambit wrote:

>Can MajorDomo be easily used for something simple?
>
>I would like to send out notices when I update my
>website. I don't wish to create a full fledged mailing
>list such as this one.
>
>Is it easy enough to disable all the extra features?
>
>My web host provides MajorDomo installation so would
>like to use it instead of something else.
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
>http://finance.yahoo.com
>




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okaaaaaaay...this might sound dumb (newbie here) but where do I find the
list.config file?

BJ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
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>
> What you are calling a "tab" is called a "subject_prefix" in your
list.config
> file.  If your list is called "Hotdogs", in your hotdogs.config file you
have
> subject_prefix = [Hotdogs]
> or
> subject_prefix = [$LIST]
>
> HINT:
> Posts from your list are identifiable by headers other than the "subject"
> too.  Take a look at this message.  It does not have [majordomo-users] in
> the subject but the "sender" is always
majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com.
>
> Dan Liston
>
> Bonnie wrote:
> >
> > How does one set a "tab" for an email list, such as Yahoogroups uses? I
set
> > up a list and there is no indication the post I send is from the list.
With
> > Yahoogroups, the list owner can set a "tab' which shows in the subject
line
> > of the email indicating which list sent it. For example, if it was sent
from
> > a list called "Hotdogs" the tab would be [Hotdogs]. I need help with
this as
> > it is important for my subscribers to know when a post is from my list.
> >
> > Thank you,
>



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If you have a list named truffles@doormat.org, then the config file is in
the ~/majordomo.version.num/lists directory and is called:

truffles.config

Keep in mind, the tilde (~) represents the path to majordomo's home
directory, which I've cleverly show as majordomo.version.num when it
should really look like mine, if you have 1.94.5, with lists at the end:

/opt/majordomo-1.94.5/lists

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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:

>okaaaaaaay...this might sound dumb (newbie here) but where do I find the
>list.config file?
>
>BJ
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
>To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
>Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:58 PM
>Subject: Re: Setting a tab
>
>
>>
>> What you are calling a "tab" is called a "subject_prefix" in your
>list.config
>> file.  If your list is called "Hotdogs", in your hotdogs.config file you
>have
>> subject_prefix = [Hotdogs]
>> or
>> subject_prefix = [$LIST]
>>
>> HINT:
>> Posts from your list are identifiable by headers other than the "subject"
>> too.  Take a look at this message.  It does not have [majordomo-users] in
>> the subject but the "sender" is always
>majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com.
>>
>> Dan Liston
>>
>> Bonnie wrote:
>> >
>> > How does one set a "tab" for an email list, such as Yahoogroups uses? I
>set
>> > up a list and there is no indication the post I send is from the list.
>With
>> > Yahoogroups, the list owner can set a "tab' which shows in the subject
>line
>> > of the email indicating which list sent it. For example, if it was sent
>from
>> > a list called "Hotdogs" the tab would be [Hotdogs]. I need help with
>this as
>> > it is important for my subscribers to know when a post is from my list.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>>
>
>



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Just send an email to majordomo at your domain with a blank subject and
the line "config yourlistname yourlistpasswd"

The config will come to you via email.  When making changes and sending
them back to majordomo, be sure you are in plain text mode, and line wrap
is turned off.

Dan Liston

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
To: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Setting a tab


> okaaaaaaay...this might sound dumb (newbie here) but where do I find the
> list.config file?
> 
> BJ
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
> To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
> Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Setting a tab
> 
> 
> >
> > What you are calling a "tab" is called a "subject_prefix" in your
> list.config
> > file.  If your list is called "Hotdogs", in your hotdogs.config file you
> have
> > subject_prefix = [Hotdogs]
> > or
> > subject_prefix = [$LIST]
> >
> > HINT:
> > Posts from your list are identifiable by headers other than the "subject"
> > too.  Take a look at this message.  It does not have [majordomo-users] in
> > the subject but the "sender" is always
> majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com.
> >
> > Dan Liston
> >
> > Bonnie wrote:
> > >
> > > How does one set a "tab" for an email list, such as Yahoogroups uses? I
> set
> > > up a list and there is no indication the post I send is from the list.
> With
> > > Yahoogroups, the list owner can set a "tab' which shows in the subject
> line
> > > of the email indicating which list sent it. For example, if it was sent
> from
> > > a list called "Hotdogs" the tab would be [Hotdogs]. I need help with
> this as
> > > it is important for my subscribers to know when a post is from my list.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> >
> 
> 



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Please accept my apologies in advance, but I will not be 
posting another majordomo message publicly or privately
until this crap is stopped.

Dan Liston

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <dliston@sonny.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:47 PM
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> Your mail to 'cocos-ml' with the subject
> 
>     Re: Setting a tab
> 
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> 
> The reason it is being held:
> 
>     Post to moderated list
> 
> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> notification of the moderator's decision.
> 



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And how do I set up a moderated list? I am subscribed and have a password, =
but how do I set up a list?
Edward Mulindwa

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com=20
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  Subject: dumb questions


  Could someone tell me how I go about posting (as owner) to my moderated l=
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From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sat Aug 24 20:27:52 2002
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I can understand your reaction in that someone has evidently subscribed a
moderated list posting address to this mail list (if that don't beat all!),
but the answer would be to contact the postmaster at the offending domain.

I certainly will if I get the same response to this mail.

--Chris McEwen

----- Original Message -----
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To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 6:51 PM
Subject: Fw: Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval



Please accept my apologies in advance, but I will not be
posting another majordomo message publicly or privately
until this crap is stopped.

Dan Liston

----- Original Message -----
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To: <dliston@sonny.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:47 PM
Subject: Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval


> Your mail to 'cocos-ml' with the subject
>
>     Re: Setting a tab
>
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>
> The reason it is being held:
>
>     Post to moderated list
>
> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> notification of the moderator's decision.
>






From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sat Aug 24 21:18:39 2002
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My, my. Isn't this special.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean" <beeznet=powermarketingtools.com@spamarrest.com>
To: <chris@nwstamps.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval
(verification)


Dean here,

I'm protecting myself from receiving junk mail.

Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails.
You won't have to do this again.

http://spamarrest.com/a?64429000:173228






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From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sat Aug 24 21:29:46 2002
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This must be some new usage of the term "special" that I was previously 
unaware of....

At 09:17 PM 8/24/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>My, my. Isn't this special.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dean" <beeznet=powermarketingtools.com@spamarrest.com>
>To: <chris@nwstamps.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:31 PM
>Subject: RE: Re: Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval
>(verification)
>
>
>Dean here,
>
>I'm protecting myself from receiving junk mail.
>
>Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails.
>You won't have to do this again.
>
>http://spamarrest.com/a?64429000:173228
>
><snip>



From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sat Aug 24 22:01:37 2002
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That last post was really a test to see if I'd get one of these messages... 
I did, so now my $.02...

Dean, although I understand your hatred of spam, it's DAMNED presumptuous 
for you to expect that every member of a mailing list such as this will go 
through your little process...  Imposing this on your friends & family.. 
Well .. ok.. maybe... but on members of a mailing list? I think not.

Now I have lame email from you, (Lame: Engish - adjective - lacking needful 
or desirable substance) , it's damned close to spam, since I now have 
worthless crap in *my* inbox that I have to deal with... Just so *you* can 
read a mailing list...

I'd rather un$ubscribe (or see *you* un$ubscribe) before I'd put up with 
this. I'm a member of, and manage, many mailing lists with thousands of 
subscribers. I'm not going to spend several days clicking "approval" links 
so others can read my messages. (And just because it's a "only have to do 
it once" thing doesn't make it less of a pain. I get well over over a 
hundred thousand emails a year, I probably send well over ten thousand a 
year..... anything extra is a pain...)

Find a better solution... This one, IMHO, blows goats....

Just my $.02, ymmv

At 12:31 AM 8/25/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>This must be some new usage of the term "special" that I was previously 
>unaware of....
>
>At 09:17 PM 8/24/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>My, my. Isn't this special.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dean" <beeznet=powermarketingtools.com@spamarrest.com>
>>To: <chris@nwstamps.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:31 PM
>>Subject: RE: Re: Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval
>>(verification)
>>
>>
>>Dean here,
>>
>>I'm protecting myself from receiving junk mail.
>>
>>Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails.
>>You won't have to do this again.
>>
>>http://spamarrest.com/a?64429000:173228
>>
>><snip>



From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sat Aug 24 22:59:38 2002
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To: <Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Re: Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval (verification)
In-Reply-To: <002e01c24bee$5ba90b60$dd02bf42@knnwck.wa.charter.com>
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I received the same email and just deleted it. I have no intention of
jumping through someone's little hoops just so he can feel safe from the
evil bad wicked mean and nasty folks we all put up with on a minute to
minute basis. Sorry Mr.  Draconia, I'm not playing.

Hey, I may just put a procmail filter that bounced all of those back so I
don't have to see them and he gets them all back. It would look something
like, except the sircam virus stuff replaced with the real thing (of
course, this isn't the real sircam virus stuff either else I couldn't be
sending it out, and the email addresses have been changed...:

:0 Bh
  *I $$$$$end you this file in order to have your advice
*daeL$$$$$RCQEM9KJEIN8JAwAdBmLRCQEi1Q
 *!^X-Loop: NoMailLoops
  |(formail -rtb -I "Precedence: junk" -I "cc: abuse@mydomain.here" -i
"Subject: SirCam Virus Spam Worm" -A "X-Loop: NoMailLoops"; \
  echo "Your computer is infected with the SirCam worm. Please see"; \
  echo " ";\
  echo "http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,45427,00.html"; \
  echo " ";\
  echo "for more information.";\
  )|$SENDMAIL -fabuse@mydomain.here -oi -t

It works like a charm...

--
Karl L. Pearson
Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
Senior Consulting Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml

On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Chris McEwen wrote:

>My, my. Isn't this special.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dean" <beeznet=powermarketingtools.com@spamarrest.com>
>To: <chris@nwstamps.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:31 PM
>Subject: RE: Re: Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval
>(verification)
>
>
>Dean here,
>
>I'm protecting myself from receiving junk mail.
>
>Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails.
>You won't have to do this again.
>
>http://spamarrest.com/a?64429000:173228
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Spam Arrest - Take control of your inbox!
>http://spamarrest.com
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
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>beeznet@powermarketingtools.com, a Spam Arrest customer.
>
>Spam Arrest requests that senders verify themselves before
>their email is delivered.
>
>When you click the above link, you will be taken to a page
>with a graphic on it. Simply read the word in the graphic,
>type it into the form, and you're verified.
>
>You will only need to do this once per Spam Arrest customer.
>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>



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Forget it. I don't play games like this. I manage 90 lists and I don't
allow this and won't participate.

You won't get help from me if this is how you expect to get it.

--
Karl L. Pearson
Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
Senior Consulting Database Analyst
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Hi,

Does anyone have links to a few front ends scripts for majordomo 1.94 that I
could run on a unix / RedHat 7.1 and sendmail(I don't know the version).  I
really need a completely self contained front end to assist in allowing
users to manage their own subscriptions right from a web page.

I'm having trouble just explaining how to sign up to my guests, and many of
my AOL users can't figure it out even when and I sit and explain it step by
step.

I'm also having trouble getting all those automated spam filters not to kick
my emails back out.  I'd say a good 20% of my subscribers are not getting
their emails.  Yet they were getting them when I was using MSN's bCentral
email stuff.

Links and suggestions will certainly be appreciated.

Thanks,
Darrell



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Hi,

This one has worked very well for me. It's the kiss -keepitsimplestupid-
method, however with any knowledge of perl you can customize it like
crazy....

http://www.thedos.org/signup.htm

Have a nice day  =)

-----Original Message-----

Hi,

Does anyone have links to a few front ends scripts for majordomo 1.94 that I
could run on a unix / RedHat 7.1 and sendmail(I don't know the version).  I
really need a completely self contained front end to assist in allowing
users to manage their own subscriptions right from a web page.

I'm having trouble just explaining how to sign up to my guests, and many of
my AOL users can't figure it out even when and I sit and explain it step by
step.

I'm also having trouble getting all those automated spam filters not to kick
my emails back out.  I'd say a good 20% of my subscribers are not getting
their emails.  Yet they were getting them when I was using MSN's bCentral
email stuff.

Links and suggestions will certainly be appreciated.

Thanks,
Darrell






From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sun Aug 25 13:33:38 2002
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:24:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Pacillo <tom@gaginet.net>
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
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Hello,

I just completed an installation of Majordomo v1.94-5 on a RH 7.2 box and
thought I would share my install notes.  Please note that most of these are
covered at some point in the documentation (FAQ, README, INSTALL).  If you 
are installing Majordomo on a recent release of RH Linux and your having 
problems (like I did), then this may be of some help.

This is my first shot at this, comments/suggestions welcome.

1.	INSTALL says to pick a User and Group for Majordomo to run 
	under.  Pick the mail group instead of the daemon group.  
	Sendmail on RH 7.2 runs under the mail group and won't have access 
	to Majordomo if it is installed as daemon. 

2.	Once Majordomo has been installed create a sym link in /etc/smrsh 
	for the wrapper program.  This has something to do with the
	"sendmail restricted shell" used on by RH. 

3.	Change the permissions on the lists directory to 750.  Sendmail on 
	RH 7.2 complains about a "Group Writable" directory otherwise.

4.	Place the majordomo.aliases file in the /etc directory.  Edit 
	/etc/mail/sendmail.mc and change:

		define(`ALIAS_FILE',`/etc/aliases')dnl

			to:

	define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/majordomo.aliases')dnl

	(Remember to run m4 and newaliases)


Other than that follow INSTALL step-by-step and everything should be fine.



							--Tom



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Thanks for the suggestions on web based front ends for Majordomo.

I've been spending the afternoon reading about MajorCool.

=46rom what I understand it requires the wrapper.

My host provided majordomo 'already installed' when I signed up, how do I d=
etermine if the wrapper is also installed?

The way my host installed majordomo it's scattered all over the place.  I g=
et dozens of hits in various directories when I do a 'locate majordomo' fro=
m the command prompt.  So I'm not even sure what my installation directory =
is at this point.=20=20

What particular file would be a dead giveaway for the installation director=
y, as opposed to some other working directory of majordomo?

Thanks,
Darrell

Administrator
Psy-Center Web Site:
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've been spending the afternoon reading a=
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Been there, done that.  Still waiting for a response.  I will consider this a final test as well.  If I still get a 
moderator notice, I will wait until I see a message that says the problem has be solved before posting
again.  I have also requested that the offending address be removed for annoying and unsocial behavior.

Dan Liston

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris McEwen" <chris@nwstamps.com>
To: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval


> I can understand your reaction in that someone has evidently subscribed a
> moderated list posting address to this mail list (if that don't beat all!),
> but the answer would be to contact the postmaster at the offending domain.
> 
> I certainly will if I get the same response to this mail.
> 
> --Chris McEwen
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
> To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 6:51 PM
> Subject: Fw: Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval
> 
> 
> 
> Please accept my apologies in advance, but I will not be
> posting another majordomo message publicly or privately
> until this crap is stopped.
> 
> Dan Liston
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cocos-ml-admin@cocosxpress.com>
> To: <dliston@sonny.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:47 PM
> Subject: Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval
> 
> 
> > Your mail to 'cocos-ml' with the subject
> >
> >     Re: Setting a tab
> >
> > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> >
> > The reason it is being held:
> >
> >     Post to moderated list
> >
> > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> > notification of the moderator's decision.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 



From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sun Aug 25 20:32:11 2002
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I'll second that motion.

(This is also a test to see if I get one too...)

At 10:22 PM 8/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Been there, done that.  Still waiting for a response.  I will consider 
>this a final test as well.  If I still get a
>moderator notice, I will wait until I see a message that says the problem 
>has be solved before posting
>again.  I have also requested that the offending address be removed for 
>annoying and unsocial behavior.
>
>Dan Liston



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Subject: tired of cocos-ml?
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OK, I did not stay away very long.  I did not see the point in making majordomo-users suffer just because
somebody doesn't know how to run list that's linked to another list.  I took Karl's advice and solved my 
problem with this Procmail filter;

SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail
:0:
* ^Errors-To:.*cocos-ml-admin@cocosxpress.com
* !^X-Loop: NoMailLoops
  |(formail -rtb -I "Precedence: junk" -I "Cc: abuse@my.domain" -i "Subject: Majordomo
-Users is Not cocos-ml" -A "X-Loop: NoMailLoops"; \
  echo "Your moderated list cocos-ml is subscribed to the majordomo-users list."; \
  echo "Every message posted to that list receives an error from your mail server"; \
  echo "stating 'Your message to cocos-ml awaits moderator approval'.  Please"; \
  echo "put a stop to this annoying behavior.  Your domain will be added to my"; \
  echo "global domain anti-spam filters if you do not take corrective action."; \
  )|$SENDMAIL -fabuse@my.domain -oi -t


Now if I get a moderator notice, I need to go back and study procmail and formail better.

Dan Liston



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Problem solved.  Or should be.  The cocos-ml address has been removed
from the majordomo-users membership file.

How about a big round of applaus for our support folks at greatcircle?

Dan Liston

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Donohue" <webmaster@bard.net>
To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 10:33 PM
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> I'll second that motion.
> 
> (This is also a test to see if I get one too...)
> 
> At 10:22 PM 8/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Been there, done that.  Still waiting for a response.  I will consider 
> >this a final test as well.  If I still get a
> >moderator notice, I will wait until I see a message that says the problem 
> >has be solved before posting
> >again.  I have also requested that the offending address be removed for 
> >annoying and unsocial behavior.
> >
> >Dan Liston
> 
> 



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Dan,

Pardon the late response to this thread; I've been too busy to keep up
with this list for a while, but thought I'd shed some light on Cobalt
RaQs and Majordomo from a long personal experience; we've been hosting
commercial lists on RaQs for some time.

More below... interspersed...

Daniel Liston wrote:

> Hmmm, I am not sure what version of linux/sendmail/majordomo is installed
> on RaQ4 systems,

Linux: Cobalt's modification from RHL6.2
Sendmail:  version 8.10.2/8.10.2
Majordomo: 1.94.4

> but if you have shell/root access and can create files
> and directories plus modify configs/aliases, I see no reason for this to
> be considered impossible without a reinstall.

It's a mess for several reasons... one is that the directory structure
used is decidedly nonstandard.  Another is that aliases.majordomo is
maintained automatically from the gui and a postgreSQL mailing list, and
when completely overwritten all custom changes may be lost.

In fact, until recently the listname.config files were completely
rewritten each time a change was made from the "gui", so you couldn't
even keep changes made through the config file <frown>.

> I doubt the majordomo is customized, and linux has cron capability...
> If you would be willing to send me your majordomo.cf, sendmail.cf, aliases
> (just the ones regarding majordomo), the majordomo line from the passwd file,
> (not the shadow file), and output from an `ls -lR` of your majordomo $HOME
> directory, `hostname`, `uname -a`, `dnsdomainname`, and the line from your
> /etc/hosts defining your server (not localhost), I would be happy to try to
> offer you a clean solution to archives and digests.

It's probably doable.  If you've created this for John, I'd appreciate a
copy as well.  If you haven't, and would like to see my output of these
from one of my RaQ4s, let me know.

By default, the gui creates aliases with "www" (the hostname actually)
for each site as part of the return address; if it's changed manually
you can no longer use the gui to modify it or it'll be changed back.

While you probably can modify files to make both digests and archives
possible, doing so would be outside the scope of the gui interface, and
might very well be overwritten.

Modifying the gui code is probably not a good idea; it can be changed by
Sun Cobalt without notice in any software update (and recently was, in
an upgrade that was later pulled <frown>).

The RaQ installation doesn't include any instructions, source files or
man files, either, as I recall.

After all is said and done, we do a completley separate installation
(currently of 1.94.5) completely independent of the gui, and therefore
without any of the problems.  This was recommended to my by Cobalt (long
before it was acquired by Sun), and I've found it works fine.

Jeff
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Ralphe Neill wrote:

> I have recently started using Duc M. Do's excellent Perl front-end which
> allows form-based sign-up to a mailing list.

Can you tell us where to find it?

> However, there is still the question of majordomo's responses. It's a
> closed list so the user gets the confirmation e-mail and a "results"
> e-mail which they really do not need. Similarly, after confirmation,
> they get a "results" e-mail as well as the welcome.
> 
> Is there any way of stopping majordomo from sending "results" to the user
> who is signing-up?

Sure.  You've got the source code, make the change <smile>.

Jeff
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Shane Lambert wrote:

> I have searched the archives for hours and not found an answer to this
> question. I am running RedHat Linx 7.2 and Majordomo Version 1.94.5. I
> have a program called Webppliance by Ensim installed which is used to
> create mailing lists. Now, I can create a list and add users and if I
> send a message to that list all e-mail addresses get the email, so I
> assumed that Majordomo was working.

I don't see any responses for this post; did you ever get any?  Does
Webppliance use sendmail to receive email, or some other program?  Are
your aliases configured correctly?  What does your maillog show?

Jeff
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Daniel Liston wrote:

> OK, I did not stay away very long.  I did not see the point in
> making majordomo-users suffer just because somebody doesn't know
> how to run list that's linked to another list.  I took Karl's
> advice and solved my problem with this Procmail filter;

...<filter snipped>...

I just added this line to my access file:

63.251.163.147  550 SPAMARREST.COM MAIL REFUSED

Perhaps not as friendly, but I think this will stop it as well.

Jeff
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Very cool. :)

<insert applause here>

I think as the spam problem becomes worse, we are going to see more and 
more of issues like this :(

Personally I'm using SpamCop & SpamHaus to check everything via sendmail on 
the inbound side. It's cut spam about 90% on my servers and so far I 
haven't seen anything legitimate blocked.

At 12:03 AM 8/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Problem solved.  Or should be.  The cocos-ml address has been removed
>from the majordomo-users membership file.
>
>How about a big round of applaus for our support folks at greatcircle?
>
>Dan Liston

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I don't think anyone here has a problem with the concept behind "spam cop"
services in general. I have two issues with the matter at hand:

(1) This particular service requires that each and every person who wants to
communicate with an individual to register with him first. Due to the volume
of mail that I have to deal with, I would not be able to register with
everyone that I send legitimate mai to.

(2) This person subscribed an email address that requires such registration
to a public email list. As a result, no one can use the mail list without
either dealing with his reverse-spam or registering with him. This is the
height of arrogance if it isn't the depth of ignorance.

Personally, I just added the spamarrest domain to my access file as refused.

--Chris McEwen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Donohue" <webmaster@bard.net>


I think as the spam problem becomes worse, we are going to see more and
more of issues like this :(

Personally I'm using SpamCop & SpamHaus to check everything via sendmail on
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haven't seen anything legitimate blocked.




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On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Administrator wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone have links to a few front ends scripts for majordomo 1.94 that I
> could run on a unix / RedHat 7.1 and sendmail(I don't know the version).  I
> really need a completely self contained front end to assist in allowing
> users to manage their own subscriptions right from a web page.
> 
www.webmin.com

	Lee

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I am migrating my current MD install to a new server and have run up 
against a problem  with the new install.

MD 1.94.5 on a RH 7.2 machine if I get the following:

$ ./wrapper config-test
wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/config-test failed: No 
such file or directory
     Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile?
     HOME is HOME=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5,
     PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb,
     SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh,
     MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf

The above settings are not the settings in Makefile:

W_HOME = /usr/local/majordomo
W_MAJORDOMO_CF = $(W_HOME)/majordomo.cf

And why is it looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 anyway??

I grep'd "/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5" from all the src files in my install 
folder and came up with the phrase only in the majordomo.aliases file.  I 
created the basic aliases for sendmail and ran newaliases...

I know it's more than likely something really simple that I missed and just 
can't see it, even after reading INSTALL again for the third time....

BTW, what happened to the searchable archives for this list??

Ed Kasky

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I sent for the config file so I could set my subject_prefix and I'm quite
confused about what I received.

For one thing, what is supposed to be there is not there: (subject_prefix).
It was suggested that the reason I didn't have the subject_prefix command is
my Majordomo must be prior to 1.94.5 but I checked and mine is 1.94.5. There
are also some other issues described below. Here is the entire file
Majordomo sent me (minus the instructions and I replaced my password with
the word "password").

>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
**** Command 'this' not recognized.
>>>>
>>>> ------=_NextPart_000_0175_01C24E18.5542D4A0
**** Command '------=_nextpart_000_0175_01c24e18.5542d4a0' not recognized.
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
**** Command 'content-type:' not recognized.
>>>> charset="iso-8859-1"
**** Command 'charset="iso-8859-1"' not recognized.
>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
**** Command 'content-transfer-encoding:' not recognized.
>>>>
>>>> config cybercell password
**** config: invalid password.
>>>>
>>>> ------=_NextPart_000_0175_01C24E18.5542D4A0
**** Command '------=_nextpart_000_0175_01c24e18.5542d4a0' not recognized.
>>>> Content-Type: text/html;
**** Command 'content-type:' not recognized.
>>>> charset="iso-8859-1"
**** Command 'charset="iso-8859-1"' not recognized.
>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
**** Command 'content-transfer-encoding:' not recognized.
>>>>
>>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
**** Command '<!doctype' not recognized.
>>>> <HTML><HEAD>
**** Command '<html><head>' not recognized.
>>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
**** Command '<meta' not recognized.
>>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
**** Command 'charset=3diso-8859-1">' not recognized.
>>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3DGENERATOR>
**** Command '<meta' not recognized.
>>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
**** Command '<style></style>' not recognized.
>>>> </HEAD>
**** Command '</head>' not recognized.
>>>> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
**** Command '<body' not recognized.
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>config cybercell =
**** Command '<div><font' not recognized.
>>>> password</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
**** Command 'password</font></div></body></html>' not recognized.
>>>>
>>>> ------=_NextPart_000_0175_01C24E18.5542D4A0--
**** Command '------=_nextpart_000_0175_01c24e18.5542d4a0--' not recognized.

You can see that there is nothing for subject_prefix. Also, it has 'not
recognized' after EVERY command.. isn't that kinda odd?

Now I will show you what REALLY confused me! When I couldn't find the
command line for subject_prefix and I didn't know how to insert it, I did a
web search for majordomo subject_prefix and it took me to several examples
of majordomo config files. They all looked the same and none looked the
least bit like mine. (You see, I'm new at this and not absolutely sure what
the config file should look like.) For one thing, every site I looked at had
the commands in alphabetical sequence. And I didn't see any of those "not
recognized" comments that are throughout my config file.

Here is an example of a config file I found. (If mine was like this I'd know
exactly what to do!
:)http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/help/mdomo/sample-config.html.

Here's something else I don't understand. My config file shows:

>>>> config cybercell password
**** config: invalid password.

The password in the config file was the correct password, but when we tried
to open the cybercell list today it said "invalid password".. is that
because of this comment and if so how do I fix it?

I know this is a lot to ask... but if I can get a little help on these
issues I will be fine with the rest of my lists. :)

Thanks so much!

BJ





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> >>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

Majordomo doesn't understand MIME.  You must send all commands in plain
text.

> Here's something else I don't understand. My config file shows:
>
> >>>> config cybercell password
> **** config: invalid password.
>
> The password in the config file was the correct password, but
> when we tried
> to open the cybercell list today it said "invalid password".. is that
> because of this comment and if so how do I fix it?

Are you sure you actually changed your config?  The default password is
listname.admin, IIRC.  Try examining the listname.config file directly, if
you have shell access on the server.



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It looks to me like you didn't get a config file at all, but just a 
bounce from majordomo because it didn't understand what you sent it 
at all.  This is because your e-mail client is spewing out HTML 
rather than just plain-text.  Majordomo expects a simple, plain-text 
message, so you have to turn off HTML text (or disable rich-text 
styles, or whatever) in order for it to work.  The results should be 
much clearer.

This webpage has a further discussion and examples on how to disable 
HTML text in e-mails.
http://www.expita.com/nomime.html


> I sent for the config file so I could set my subject_prefix and I'm quite
> confused about what I received.

> >>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> **** Command 'this' not recognized.
> >>>>
> >>>> ------=_NextPart_000_0175_01C24E18.5542D4A0
> **** Command '------=_nextpart_000_0175_01c24e18.5542d4a0' not recognized.
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
> **** Command 'content-type:' not recognized.
> >>>> charset="iso-8859-1"
> **** Command 'charset="iso-8859-1"' not recognized.
> >>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> **** Command 'content-transfer-encoding:' not recognized.
> >>>>
> >>>> config cybercell password
> **** config: invalid password.
> >>>>
> >>>> ------=_NextPart_000_0175_01C24E18.5542D4A0
> **** Command '------=_nextpart_000_0175_01c24e18.5542d4a0' not recognized.
> >>>> Content-Type: text/html;
> **** Command 'content-type:' not recognized.
> >>>> charset="iso-8859-1"
> **** Command 'charset="iso-8859-1"' not recognized.
> >>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> **** Command 'content-transfer-encoding:' not recognized.
> >>>>
> >>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> **** Command '<!doctype' not recognized.

                                 Dave C

---------------------------------------------------------
David Corlette          mailto:corlette@huarp.harvard.edu
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Ed Kasky <ed@wrenkasky.com> wrote:
> I am migrating my current MD install to a new server and have run up 
> against a problem  with the new install.
> 
> MD 1.94.5 on a RH 7.2 machine if I get the following:
> 
> $ ./wrapper config-test
> wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/config-test failed: No 
> such file or directory
>      Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile?
>      HOME is HOME=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5,
>      PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb,
>      SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh,
>      MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf
> 
> The above settings are not the settings in Makefile:
> 
> W_HOME = /usr/local/majordomo
> W_MAJORDOMO_CF = $(W_HOME)/majordomo.cf
> 
> And why is it looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 anyway??

It's looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 because that's the default
Majordomo home directory ($W_HOME) defined in the Makefile.

Are you sure that you built a new 'wrapper' binary after editing the
Makefile ('make clean ; make wrapper') and are you sure that you put
that new binary into the right place ('make install-wrapper' while
logged in as root) after building it?

> I grep'd "/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5" from all the src files in my install 
> folder and came up with the phrase only in the majordomo.aliases file.  I 
> created the basic aliases for sendmail and ran newaliases...

Line 23 of Makefile:

    W_HOME = /usr/test/majordomo-$(VERSION)
    
That's why 'grep' didn't find it, it's constructed dynamically.

Mike.
-- 
mike.oliver@sun.com



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At 03:12 PM Wednesday, 8/28/2002, you wrote -=>
>Ed Kasky <ed@wrenkasky.com> wrote:
> > The above settings are not the settings in Makefile:
> >
> > W_HOME = /usr/local/majordomo
> > W_MAJORDOMO_CF = $(W_HOME)/majordomo.cf
> >
> > And why is it looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 anyway??
>
>It's looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 because that's the default
>Majordomo home directory ($W_HOME) defined in the Makefile.

I changed line 23 before running ./configure to "W_HOME = 
/usr/local/majordomo" which is where I like to put majordomo.

Hence my head scratching....

Ed



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Hey Mike,

At 04:43 PM Wednesday, 8/28/2002, Mike Oliver wrote -=>
>Hello Ed,
>
> > > > W_HOME = /usr/local/majordomo
> > > > W_MAJORDOMO_CF = $(W_HOME)/majordomo.cf
> > > >
> > > > And why is it looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 anyway??
> > >
> > >It's looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 because that's the default
> > >Majordomo home directory ($W_HOME) defined in the Makefile.
> >
> > I changed line 23 before running ./configure to "W_HOME =
> > /usr/local/majordomo" which is where I like to put majordomo.
>
>Weird.  Run 'strings' on the 'wrapper' binary, that'll show you whether
>your new path got into the binary at all.

 From the stdout of "strings wrapper"

MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf
SHELL=/bin/sh
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb
HOME=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5

Which are directly from the sample.cf and not from the majordomo.cf and 
Makefile in the src folder...

>My 1.94.5 distribution didn't come with a ./configure script, where did
>you get yours from?  If someone has GNU'ified the build procedure then

I dl'd it straight from greatcircle.com.   And it doesn't come with a 
configure script.  Install directions are really straight forward which is 
why I am sort of baffled as to how the wrapper keeps picking up these 
settings...




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Reading thru the MajorCool installation and configuration manuals I noticed=
 that we are requested to use this list for help with MajorCool.

If that's not the case I apologize.

In any event I'm having trouble installing MajorCool.  The second question =
asks for the majordomo.cf file.  After entering the path and file name I ge=
t some sort of error message or notification message.

It says:

Using configuration file name '/home/virtual/site1/fst/etc/majordomo.cf'
Configure: /usr/local/bin/perl: No such file or directory

Then it proceeds to ask you where you would like temp files created when Ma=
jorCool runs?

First I don't see where in the majordomo.cf file it's even suggesting that =
perl is in that location.  Perl is not in that location.  Second I don't kn=
ow if it even matters?  The configure script keeps going, as if it's only s=
ome sort of status message.  Heck, it's right perl isent in there.  I agree=
.  :-)

I've searched my entire majordomo.cf file and there is no reference to the =
character string /usr/local/bin in it anywhere.  Is this in another file, o=
r hard coded??

What should I do?

Thanks,
Darrell

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Reading thru the MajorCool installation an=
d=20
configuration manuals I noticed that we are&nbsp;requested to&nbsp;use this=
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list&nbsp;for help with MajorCool.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If that's not the case I apologize.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In any event I'm having trouble installing=
=20
MajorCool.&nbsp; The second question asks for the majordomo.cf file.&nbsp; =
After=20
entering the path and file name I get some sort of error message or notific=
ation=20
message.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It says:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Using configuration file name=20
'/home/virtual/site1/fst/etc/majordomo.cf'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Configure: /usr/local/bin/perl: No such fi=
le or=20
directory</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then it proceeds to ask you where you woul=
d like=20
temp files created when MajorCool runs?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First I don't see where in the majordomo.c=
f file=20
it's even suggesting that perl is in that location.&nbsp; Perl is not in th=
at=20
location.&nbsp; Second I don't know if it even matters?&nbsp; The configure=
=20
script keeps going, as if it's only some sort of status message.&nbsp; Heck=
,=20
it's right perl isent in there.&nbsp; I agree.&nbsp; :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've searched my entire majordomo.cf file =
and there=20
is no reference to the character string /usr/local/bin in it anywhere.&nbsp=
; Is=20
this in another file, or hard coded??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What should I do?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Darrell</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Administrator<BR>Psy-Center Web Site:<BR><=
A=20
href=3D"http://www.psy-center.com">http://www.psy-center.com</A></FONT></DI=
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My majordomo is installed on a virtual server.  There are files all over th=
e place as I've mentioned in an earlier post and it appears that Ensim may =
have actually modified my copy of majordomo.  (I'm not sure.)

Does anyone out there have experience with Online Marketing's virtual hosti=
ng plans?  They use Ensim to run their web appliance control panels which i=
nstalls majordomo onto subsuquent sites that you resell.

In order for the server to install majordomo on other sites that I resell t=
o it has a filesystemtemplate with stuff in there that I should not mess wi=
th as well as another directory down at the root level, and then mulitiple =
majordomo directories beyond each site level.   (site1, site2, site3 etc.)

Apperantly each site relies on a majordomo.cf file that is way down the tre=
e at the root level, and NOT within the individual site.  I've moved a copy=
 of it up into site1's directories for testing purposes.  Early off in Majo=
rCool's Configure.sh I run into an error about not finding perl, although i=
t's there. *shrugs*

All of this complexity is just serving to confuse me.  It's a bit much for =
a newbie.

To top that off I'm unsure how to answer a couple of the other configuratio=
n commands in MajorCool so I really need to talk to someone before I try to=
 do this installation and foul things up.

Thanks,
Darrell

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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My majordomo is installed on a virtual=20
server.&nbsp; There are files all over the place as I've mentioned in an ea=
rlier=20
post and it appears that Ensim may have actually modified my copy of=20
majordomo.&nbsp; (I'm not sure.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does anyone out there have experience with=
 Online=20
Marketing's virtual hosting plans?&nbsp; They use Ensim to run their web=20
appliance control panels which installs majordomo onto subsuquent sites tha=
t you=20
resell.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In order for the&nbsp;server to&nbsp;insta=
ll=20
majordomo&nbsp;on other sites that I resell to it has a filesystemtemplate =
with=20
stuff in there that I should not mess with as well as another directory dow=
n at=20
the root level, and then mulitiple majordomo directories beyond each site=
=20
level.&nbsp;&nbsp; (site1, site2, site3 etc.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Apperantly each site relies on a majordomo=
.cf file=20
that is way down the tree at the root level, and NOT&nbsp;within the indivi=
dual=20
site.&nbsp; I've moved a copy of it up into site1's directories for testing=
=20
purposes.&nbsp; Early off in MajorCool's Configure.sh I run into an error a=
bout=20
not finding perl, although it's there. *shrugs*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All of this complexity is just serving to =
confuse=20
me.&nbsp; It's a bit much for a newbie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To top that off I'm unsure how to answer a=
 couple=20
of the other configuration commands in MajorCool so I really need to talk t=
o=20
someone before I try to do this installation and foul things up.</FONT></DI=
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ok I requested (and received!) the config file, then I did the changes
and sent it back. The Majordomo response showed errors which seem to be
related to word wrap but I can't find in my Outlook Express how to turn
off word wrap. I checked Tools/Options/Send and there is a place to set
the line length but not a place to turn word wrap off, and my list
description seems to be causing a problem (its kinda long). Any ideas
how to turn off word wrap?

BJ




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You don't use the tools to turn it off, you stretch the window out so none
of the lines wrap. If you can't stretch it far enough, you can change the
size of the display font in Options... somewhere...

--
Karl L. Pearson
Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
Senior Consulting Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:

>ok I requested (and received!) the config file, then I did the changes
>and sent it back. The Majordomo response showed errors which seem to be
>related to word wrap but I can't find in my Outlook Express how to turn
>off word wrap. I checked Tools/Options/Send and there is a place to set
>the line length but not a place to turn word wrap off, and my list
>description seems to be causing a problem (its kinda long). Any ideas
>how to turn off word wrap?
>
>BJ
>
>
>



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Its maximized... maybe I should delete the list description? That takes
like 6 lines maximized... but I really like my list description! :)

BJ

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:25 PM
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> You don't use the tools to turn it off, you stretch the window out so
none
> of the lines wrap. If you can't stretch it far enough, you can change
the
> size of the display font in Options... somewhere...
>
> --
> Karl L. Pearson
> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
>
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:
>
> >ok I requested (and received!) the config file, then I did the
changes
> >and sent it back. The Majordomo response showed errors which seem to
be
> >related to word wrap but I can't find in my Outlook Express how to
turn
> >off word wrap. I checked Tools/Options/Send and there is a place to
set
> >the line length but not a place to turn word wrap off, and my list
> >description seems to be causing a problem (its kinda long). Any ideas
> >how to turn off word wrap?
> >
> >BJ
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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Maybe you should put the description in listname.info or listname.intro?
That's what I did because I use Majorcool and the description, if it's
longer than about 40 characters, wraps and makes the Majorcool display
look bad.

--
Karl L. Pearson
Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
Senior Consulting Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:

>Its maximized... maybe I should delete the list description? That takes
>like 6 lines maximized... but I really like my list description! :)
>
>BJ
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
>To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
>Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:25 PM
>Subject: Re: config confusion
>
>
>> You don't use the tools to turn it off, you stretch the window out so
>none
>> of the lines wrap. If you can't stretch it far enough, you can change
>the
>> size of the display font in Options... somewhere...
>>
>> --
>> Karl L. Pearson
>> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
>> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
>> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
>> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
>>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
>>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:
>>
>> >ok I requested (and received!) the config file, then I did the
>changes
>> >and sent it back. The Majordomo response showed errors which seem to
>be
>> >related to word wrap but I can't find in my Outlook Express how to
>turn
>> >off word wrap. I checked Tools/Options/Send and there is a place to
>set
>> >the line length but not a place to turn word wrap off, and my list
>> >description seems to be causing a problem (its kinda long). Any ideas
>> >how to turn off word wrap?
>> >
>> >BJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>



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I'm not sure, but you may have to run mj_key_cache from the majordomo
directory. I use Majorcool as my front end and unless I run that, the lists
are updated...

I'm not sure if that's the right answer or not, however.

--
Karl Pearson
Senior Consulting DBA
Senior Consulting Unix/MS/Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
-------------------------------------

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Piyal Nanayakkara wrote:

->Hi
->
->I have installed majordomo on Red Hat Linux 7 with send mail 8.11.
->
->I have sent several test postings to a List and I want remove those Items
->from the List. Currently I use Hypermail as the Web UI for List Archive.
->
->I removed the unwanted messages from the particular file
->(/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/j2ee.archive/j2ee.2002) but still the
->unwanted messages appear in the html pages. So are there any other files
->to be deleted?
->
->Pls Help
->
->Regards
->
->Piyal Nanayakkara
->Virtusa Pvt Ltd
->Colombo
->



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That's a really good idea! Where do I find that?

BJ

----- Original Message -----
From: <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
Cc: <Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: config confusion


> Maybe you should put the description in listname.info or
listname.intro?
> That's what I did because I use Majorcool and the description, if it's
> longer than about 40 characters, wraps and makes the Majorcool display
> look bad.
>
> --
> Karl L. Pearson
> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
>
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:
>
> >Its maximized... maybe I should delete the list description? That
takes
> >like 6 lines maximized... but I really like my list description! :)
> >
> >BJ
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
> >To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
> >Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:25 PM
> >Subject: Re: config confusion
> >
> >
> >> You don't use the tools to turn it off, you stretch the window out
so
> >none
> >> of the lines wrap. If you can't stretch it far enough, you can
change
> >the
> >> size of the display font in Options... somewhere...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Karl L. Pearson
> >> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
> >> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
> >> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
> >> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
> >>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
> >>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
> >>
> >> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:
> >>
> >> >ok I requested (and received!) the config file, then I did the
> >changes
> >> >and sent it back. The Majordomo response showed errors which seem
to
> >be
> >> >related to word wrap but I can't find in my Outlook Express how to
> >turn
> >> >off word wrap. I checked Tools/Options/Send and there is a place
to
> >set
> >> >the line length but not a place to turn word wrap off, and my list
> >> >description seems to be causing a problem (its kinda long). Any
ideas
> >> >how to turn off word wrap?
> >> >
> >> >BJ
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>



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From: Karl Pearson <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
To: Bonnie <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: config confusion
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You have to create the files in the lists directory, then run mj_key_cache
(I think that tells Majordomo to recognize them).

I'm not sure how to do that remotely, unless you have Majorcool, which has
the creation of those files as part of the configuration...

I'm sure you can retrieve the files via email, but I've never done that...

--
Karl Pearson
Senior Consulting DBA
Senior Consulting Unix/MS/Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
-------------------------------------

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:

->That's a really good idea! Where do I find that?
->
->BJ
->
->----- Original Message -----
->From: <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
->To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
->Cc: <Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
->Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:12 PM
->Subject: Re: config confusion
->
->
->> Maybe you should put the description in listname.info or
->listname.intro?
->> That's what I did because I use Majorcool and the description, if it's
->> longer than about 40 characters, wraps and makes the Majorcool display
->> look bad.
->>
->> --
->> Karl L. Pearson
->> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
->> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
->> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
->> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
->>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
->>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
->>
->> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:
->>
->> >Its maximized... maybe I should delete the list description? That
->takes
->> >like 6 lines maximized... but I really like my list description! :)
->> >
->> >BJ
->> >
->> >----- Original Message -----
->> >From: <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
->> >To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
->> >Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
->> >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:25 PM
->> >Subject: Re: config confusion
->> >
->> >
->> >> You don't use the tools to turn it off, you stretch the window out
->so
->> >none
->> >> of the lines wrap. If you can't stretch it far enough, you can
->change
->> >the
->> >> size of the display font in Options... somewhere...
->> >>
->> >> --
->> >> Karl L. Pearson
->> >> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
->> >> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
->> >> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
->> >> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
->> >>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
->> >>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
->> >>
->> >> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:
->> >>
->> >> >ok I requested (and received!) the config file, then I did the
->> >changes
->> >> >and sent it back. The Majordomo response showed errors which seem
->to
->> >be
->> >> >related to word wrap but I can't find in my Outlook Express how to
->> >turn
->> >> >off word wrap. I checked Tools/Options/Send and there is a place
->to
->> >set
->> >> >the line length but not a place to turn word wrap off, and my list
->> >> >description seems to be causing a problem (its kinda long). Any
->ideas
->> >> >how to turn off word wrap?
->> >> >
->> >> >BJ
->> >> >
->> >> >
->> >> >
->> >>
->> >>
->> >
->>
->>
->



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Hi Bonnie,

> That's a really good idea! Where do I find that?
>
> BJ

To locate a file on a unix/linux Red Hat server you can type:

locate <filename>

at the command prompt.

If you know the filename is there and it does not show up then you may need
to update the database that this utility searches through.

I believe that command is:

update db

They are most likely server specific and you'd probably need to check with
your host if your unsure.

If you had a list called crystals then the file crystals.intro might
containt something like this:

Welcome to the Crystals Newsletter Mailing List

and the crystals.info might contain:

[Last updated on: Sun May 19 14:20:37 2002]
Crystals Newsletter

To continue with the example, these two files would typically be in your
lists directory right along side the crystals.config and the actual list
itself crystals

I hope that helps.

Sincerely,
Darrell

Administrator
Psy-Center Web Site:
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Hi!

> Is this in another file, or hard coded?

It's perhaps read from the first line of $DOMO_DIR/majordomo (where
$DOMO_DIR is the path to majordomo).

Georg



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:48 AM
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: MajorCool Installation


Reading thru the MajorCool installation and configuration manuals I noticed
that we are requested to use this list for help with MajorCool.

If that's not the case I apologize.

In any event I'm having trouble installing MajorCool.  The second question
asks for the majordomo.cf file.  After entering the path and file name I get
some sort of error message or notification message.

It says:

Using configuration file name '/home/virtual/site1/fst/etc/majordomo.cf'
Configure: /usr/local/bin/perl: No such file or directory

Then it proceeds to ask you where you would like temp files created when
MajorCool runs?

First I don't see where in the majordomo.cf file it's even suggesting that
perl is in that location.  Perl is not in that location.  Second I don't
know if it even matters?  The configure script keeps going, as if it's only
some sort of status message.  Heck, it's right perl isent in there.  I
agree.  :-)

I've searched my entire majordomo.cf file and there is no reference to the
character string /usr/local/bin in it anywhere.  Is this in another file, or
hard coded??

What should I do?

Thanks,
Darrell

Administrator
Psy-Center Web Site:
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It might be because that is also the default $home in the sample.cf and
majordomo.cf file.  Just a guess at this point.  You did make a majordomo.cf
before trying to run config-test right? :)

Dan Liston

Ed Kasky wrote:
> Hey Mike,
> 
> At 04:43 PM Wednesday, 8/28/2002, Mike Oliver wrote -=>
> 
>> Hello Ed,
>>
>> > > > W_HOME = /usr/local/majordomo
>> > > > W_MAJORDOMO_CF = $(W_HOME)/majordomo.cf
>> > > >
>> > > > And why is it looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 anyway??
>> > >
>> > >It's looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 because that's the default
>> > >Majordomo home directory ($W_HOME) defined in the Makefile.
>> >
>> > I changed line 23 before running ./configure to "W_HOME =
>> > /usr/local/majordomo" which is where I like to put majordomo.
>>
>> Weird.  Run 'strings' on the 'wrapper' binary, that'll show you whether
>> your new path got into the binary at all.
> 
> 
>  From the stdout of "strings wrapper"
> 
> MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf
> SHELL=/bin/sh
> PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb
> HOME=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5
> 
> Which are directly from the sample.cf and not from the majordomo.cf and 
> Makefile in the src folder...
> 
>> My 1.94.5 distribution didn't come with a ./configure script, where did
>> you get yours from?  If someone has GNU'ified the build procedure then
> 
> 
> I dl'd it straight from greatcircle.com.   And it doesn't come with a 
> configure script.  Install directions are really straight forward which 
> is why I am sort of baffled as to how the wrapper keeps picking up these 
> settings...
> 
> 





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Sorry for using confusing terminology Bonnie.  Line "length" is the same
as "wrap" because it is at that point (number of characters) that you will
be forced to begin a new line.  Try setting this value to 132.  Most of
the lines in the config file are a maximum of 80 characters, but outlook
defaults to starting new lines after 72 characters.  I looks like you
have already found the "plain text" button. :)

Dan Liston

Bonnie wrote:
> ok I requested (and received!) the config file, then I did the changes
> and sent it back. The Majordomo response showed errors which seem to be
> related to word wrap but I can't find in my Outlook Express how to turn
> off word wrap. I checked Tools/Options/Send and there is a place to set
> the line length but not a place to turn word wrap off, and my list
> description seems to be causing a problem (its kinda long). Any ideas
> how to turn off word wrap?
> 
> BJ
> 
> 





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Bonnie,  As I found out, if you're using an exchange server, sometimes it is
set to word wrap, so matter what email client I used to compose the email,
the exchange server wrapped.  Are you using an exchange server?

What I did:  Basically, every time I retrieved the config file, it had about
6 lines that were longer than 80.  I just tracked them down, and for each
one, I manually made it less than 80 either by wrapping it my and putting a
# in the new line (it was always on a comment line), or take out some of the
spaces between the keyword, equal sign, and value.  Then submit it making
sure you're sending it in plain text.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:30 AM
To: Bonnie
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: config confusion


Sorry for using confusing terminology Bonnie.  Line "length" is the same
as "wrap" because it is at that point (number of characters) that you will
be forced to begin a new line.  Try setting this value to 132.  Most of
the lines in the config file are a maximum of 80 characters, but outlook
defaults to starting new lines after 72 characters.  I looks like you
have already found the "plain text" button. :)

Dan Liston

Bonnie wrote:
> ok I requested (and received!) the config file, then I did the changes
> and sent it back. The Majordomo response showed errors which seem to be
> related to word wrap but I can't find in my Outlook Express how to turn
> off word wrap. I checked Tools/Options/Send and there is a place to set
> the line length but not a place to turn word wrap off, and my list
> description seems to be causing a problem (its kinda long). Any ideas
> how to turn off word wrap?
> 
> BJ
> 
> 





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Thanks! I finally came to the realization that I needed to add the # at
the beginning of broken lines and that my description length exceeded
the limitation so I shortened it to 80 characters but I never thought of
deleting those extra spaces... good suggestion! :)

btw, I'm not sure if I'm using an exchange server. My domain is on my
friend's server and it includes a bunch of stuff including majordomo....
gotta try the other stuff out someday! Well, after I finish learning how
to operate lists on majordomo. :)

BJ

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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:48 AM
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> Bonnie,  As I found out, if you're using an exchange server, sometimes
it is
> set to word wrap, so matter what email client I used to compose the
email,
> the exchange server wrapped.  Are you using an exchange server?
>
> What I did:  Basically, every time I retrieved the config file, it had
about
> 6 lines that were longer than 80.  I just tracked them down, and for
each
> one, I manually made it less than 80 either by wrapping it my and
putting a
> # in the new line (it was always on a comment line), or take out some
of the
> spaces between the keyword, equal sign, and value.  Then submit it
making
> sure you're sending it in plain text.
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:30 AM
> To: Bonnie
> Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: config confusion
>
>
> Sorry for using confusing terminology Bonnie.  Line "length" is the
same
> as "wrap" because it is at that point (number of characters) that you
will
> be forced to begin a new line.  Try setting this value to 132.  Most
of
> the lines in the config file are a maximum of 80 characters, but
outlook
> defaults to starting new lines after 72 characters.  I looks like you
> have already found the "plain text" button. :)
>
> Dan Liston
>
> Bonnie wrote:
> > ok I requested (and received!) the config file, then I did the
changes
> > and sent it back. The Majordomo response showed errors which seem to
be
> > related to word wrap but I can't find in my Outlook Express how to
turn
> > off word wrap. I checked Tools/Options/Send and there is a place to
set
> > the line length but not a place to turn word wrap off, and my list
> > description seems to be causing a problem (its kinda long). Any
ideas
> > how to turn off word wrap?
> >
> > BJ
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>



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Edit the MajorCool Configure and default.sh files.  Change PERLBIN
="/usr/local/bin/perl" to have the correct path for your perl executable.




                                                                                       
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Reading thru the MajorCool installation and configuration manuals I noticed
that we are requested to use this list for help with MajorCool.

If that's not the case I apologize.

In any event I'm having trouble installing MajorCool.  The second question
asks for the majordomo.cf file.  After entering the path and file name I
get some sort of error message or notification message.

It says:

Using configuration file name '/home/virtual/site1/fst/etc/majordomo.cf'
Configure: /usr/local/bin/perl: No such file or directory

Then it proceeds to ask you where you would like temp files created when
MajorCool runs?

First I don't see where in the majordomo.cf file it's even suggesting that
perl is in that location.  Perl is not in that location.  Second I don't
know if it even matters?  The configure script keeps going, as if it's only
some sort of status message.  Heck, it's right perl isent in there.  I
agree.  :-)

I've searched my entire majordomo.cf file and there is no reference to the
character string /usr/local/bin in it anywhere.  Is this in another file,
or hard coded??

What should I do?

Thanks,
Darrell

Administrator
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>
> Edit the MajorCool Configure and default.sh files.  Change PERLBIN
> ="/usr/local/bin/perl" to have the correct path for your perl executable.
>


Thanks Charles,

I was able to find the PERLBIN="/user/local/bin/perl" line and edit it no
problems.  Now there is no complaint from the Configure at that spot.

I appreciate the assistance.

Sincerely,
Darrell

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I've made it well into the MajorCool installation script when it seems to h=
ave troubles and abort.=20=20

After entering all the configuration information, then previewing it for ac=
curacy your asked to accept the new version.  When I say yes this is what h=
appens.

Accept the new version? [yes|no|list|edit|diff]? yes
Writing information to 'default.sh' for later use.
Configure: -o: command not found
Configure: ./default.sh: No such file or directory
[root@psy MajorCool]#

I had executed this Configure script right in the MajorCool directory that =
it was sitting in, so I'm not really sure what it means by command not foun=
d.  It did find the script when I entered sh Configure from the command lin=
e at the start of this process.  Just not when it tried to call itself.

As you can see I am loged in as root.=20=20

After checking, the default.sh has not been written and the installation is=
 not completed....

Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks,
Darrell

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from the command line at the start of this process.&nbsp; Just not when it =
tried=20
to call itself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As you can see I am loged in as root.&nbsp=
;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After checking, the default.sh&nbsp;has no=
t been=20
written and the installation is not completed....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ideas or suggestions?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Darrell</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Trust me, anyone that has more than 640x480 screen resolution will most
likely appreciate the line length and select their own client to do the
wrapping.  In my case, I tend to hit enter and create a new line around
the 60-70 character mark anyway.  This is fine for composing messages,
and when I do get that text file that's a little extra wide, I can send
it with confidence that I won't be introducing anything unexpected in
the file.  132 is just the maximum number you can choose in outlook. It
also happens to fit a certain video terminal width perfectly.  You can
set the number up to 9999 in netscape, but I never set it higher than
255.

Dan Liston

Bonnie wrote:

> yup I found the "plain text button"! hehehe Someone here gave me a link
> to a really good site that showed how to set email clients to text only
> and it worked. Thanks whoever that was.... several have helped me and I
> don't recall who sent that link.
> 
> Question... why set my line length (word wrap) at 132? Won't that mess
> up my regular emails?
> 
> BJ
> 
> P.S. This is the nicest support list I've ever sought help from...
> everyone has been soooooooooooo nice even sending suggestion in private
> mail and not one person has said anything derogatory about my lack of
> knowledge and skills in this area. That's unusual for a support list.
> Thanks everyone so much! :)





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We are running redhat 7.0  and majordomo 1.94.5 with sendmail.  We had a 
system crash and restored from tape.  Since the restore, any subscription 
request sent to majordomo is returned with a blank reply to address. The 
message to confirm the subscription is correct, but users cannot reply 
because the reply to field is blank. I have looked in various files, but 
cannot find a solution.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.




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Hey Dan -

I don't know if my last post got through but I finally deleted all the 
source files I had from a while back and dl'd a new tar from greatcircle 
and got it to work fine.  For some reason, it was not picking up the 
changes in Makefile and from the majordomo.cf I created...

Now if I can only figure out why, even after I have created a symbolic link 
to wrapper in /etc/smrsh and made majordomo a sendmail trusted user, 
restarted sendmail I am still getting:

"smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable"

when testing the install with "echo 'lists' | mail majordomo"

I have seen this countless times on this list and know that creating the 
symbolic link fixes it.

I have never had so many problems setting up a server as this go-round :-(

Ed

At 04:19 AM Thursday, 8/29/2002, Daniel Liston wrote -=>

>It might be because that is also the default $home in the sample.cf and
>majordomo.cf file.  Just a guess at this point.  You did make a majordomo.cf
>before trying to run config-test right? :)
>
>>> > > > W_HOME = /usr/local/majordomo
>>> > > > W_MAJORDOMO_CF = $(W_HOME)/majordomo.cf
>>> > > >
>>> > > > And why is it looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 anyway??
>>> > >
>>> > >It's looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 because that's the default
>>> > >Majordomo home directory ($W_HOME) defined in the Makefile.
>>> >
>>> > I changed line 23 before running ./configure to "W_HOME =
>>> > /usr/local/majordomo" which is where I like to put majordomo.
>>>
>>>Weird.  Run 'strings' on the 'wrapper' binary, that'll show you whether
>>>your new path got into the binary at all.
>>
>>  From the stdout of "strings wrapper"
>>MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf
>>SHELL=/bin/sh
>>PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb
>>HOME=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5
>>Which are directly from the sample.cf and not from the majordomo.cf and 
>>Makefile in the src folder...
>>
>>>My 1.94.5 distribution didn't come with a ./configure script, where did
>>>you get yours from?  If someone has GNU'ified the build procedure then
>>
>>I dl'd it straight from greatcircle.com.   And it doesn't come with a 
>>configure script.  Install directions are really straight forward which 
>>is why I am sort of baffled as to how the wrapper keeps picking up these 
>>settings...



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ok I already got a question from a subscriber on my new list. Where are
the archives stored and how do users retrieve them?

BJ



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Maybe I am not understanding fully.  Are you saying if someone hits the
reply or reply-all button when trying to respond to a majordomo confirm
message that the "To:" part of their message composer is not properly
populated with "majordomo@yourdomain.com"?

Have you tried viewing with various clients?  Eudora, Outlook, Pine,
Netscape?  A "Reply-To:" is not a requirement for being able to reply
to a message, just a "From".  Your message can be replied to, and it
did not have a "Reply-To:" header.  This message is proof of that.

Dan Liston

john doe wrote:

> We are running redhat 7.0  and majordomo 1.94.5 with sendmail.  We had a 
> system crash and restored from tape.  Since the restore, any 
> subscription request sent to majordomo is returned with a blank reply to 
> address. The message to confirm the subscription is correct, but users 
> cannot reply because the reply to field is blank. I have looked in 
> various files, but cannot find a solution.  Any help would be greatly 
> appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hi David,

I searched through the Configure script for MajorCool and found these suspe=
cious lines:=20=20

 echo "Writing information to '$config' for later use."
  $CPSET -o $TMPFILE $config 644 $COOL_USERID $COOL_GROUPID

After looking at where the scripts aborts I believe that the variable $CPSE=
T (or whatever it is) is what's causing the problem.  If it's indeed a vari=
able and it's not holding the right value then that would make sense to me.

However I don't know the first thing about these scripts.  I see that this =
string $CPSET appears all over the place in the configure script.  Where is=
 the value actually assigned?=20=20

Here is the first time it appears in the Configure script:

 $CPSET ${TMPFILE}B $2 $3 $4 $5

I sorry but I don't know what that means.  It appears to be some sort of as=
signment opperation perhaps.  But it's beyond me.
I've searched through a redhat book that I have and I can't find any refere=
nce to that so I don't know if it's a system variable, or file variable or =
what it is.

Is $CPSET some part of RedHat or Unix that perhaps I don't have installed o=
r correctly set up?  Early on in the Configure scripts execution it says:

Locating programs...
...cpset is .
...rolo is not found.

Here's where the configure script aborts again which is what leads me to su=
spect those particular lines of the script.

Accept the new version? [yes|no|list|edit|diff]? yes
Writing information to 'default.sh' for later use.
Configure: -o: command not found
Configure: ./default.sh: No such file or directory
[root@psy MajorCool]#

Thanks for any help you or anyone else can provide.  I'm quite new to Unix/=
Linux, RedHat and these darn scripts.

Sincerely,
Darrell

Administrator
Psy-Center Web Site:
http://www.psy-center.com

>What this actually means is:
>"I (the Configure script) tried to run the command '-o', and the shell tol=
d me
>it was not found."
>
>So somewhere there's some command listed as "-o" rather than whatever it s=
hould be,=20
>this could happen if you specified something like=20
>CC=3D-o rather than CC=3Dcc -o or something like that.  If you search thro=
ugh the Configure script itself or other
>files in that directory you should turn it up.=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi David,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I searched through the Configure script fo=
r=20
MajorCool and found these suspecious lines:&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>=
&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;echo "Writing information to '$confi=
g' for=20
later use."<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;$CPSET -o $TMPFILE $config 644 $COOL_USERID=20
$COOL_GROUPID</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After looking at where the scripts aborts =
I believe=20
that&nbsp;the variable $CPSET (or whatever it is) is what's causing the=20
problem.&nbsp; If it's indeed a variable and it's not holding the right val=
ue=20
then that would make sense to me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However I don't know the first thing about=
 these=20
scripts.&nbsp; I see that this string $CPSET appears all over the place in =
the=20
configure script.&nbsp; Where is the value actually assigned?&nbsp;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here is the first time it appears in the C=
onfigure=20
script:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;$CPSET ${TMPFILE}B $2 $3 $4 $5</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I sorry but I don't know what that means.&=
nbsp; It=20
appears to be some sort of assignment opperation perhaps.&nbsp; But it's be=
yond=20
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've searched through a redhat book that I=
 have and=20
I can't find any reference to that so I don't know if it's a system variabl=
e, or=20
file variable or what it is.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is $CPSET some part of RedHat or Unix that=
 perhaps=20
I don't have installed or correctly set up?&nbsp; Early on in the Configure=
=20
scripts execution it says:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Locating programs...<BR>...cpset is .<BR>.=
..rolo is=20
not found.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's where the configure script aborts a=
gain=20
which is what leads me to suspect&nbsp;those particular lines of the=20
script.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Accept the new version? [yes|no|list|edit|=
diff]?=20
yes<BR>Writing information to 'default.sh' for later use.<BR>Configure: -o:=
=20
command not found<BR>Configure: ./default.sh: No such file or=20
directory<BR>[root@psy MajorCool]#</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for any help you or anyone else can provide.&nbsp; I'm quite ne=
w to=20
Unix/Linux, RedHat and these darn scripts.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Sincerely,</DIV>
<DIV>Darrell</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Administrator<BR>Psy-Center Web Site:<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.psy-center.com">http://www.psy-center.com</A><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>&g=
t;What this=20
actually means is:<BR>&gt;"I (the Configure script) tried to run the comman=
d=20
'-o', and the shell told me<BR>&gt;it was not found."<BR><FONT face=3DArial=
=20
size=3D2>&gt;</FONT><BR>&gt;So somewhere there's some command listed as "-o=
"=20
rather than whatever it should be, <BR>&gt;this could happen if you specifi=
ed=20
something like <BR>&gt;CC=3D-o rather than CC=3Dcc -o </FONT></FONT><FONT f=
ace=3DArial=20
size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>or something like that.&nb=
sp; If you=20
search through the Configure script itself or other<BR>&gt;files in that=20
directory you should turn it up.</FONT>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV></FONT></BODY></H=
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I guess I need a clarification of the difference between a list server
and an email client and.... is majordomo is intended to be both?

BJ




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From: "Leo Notenboom" <leo@notenboom.org>
To: <Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM>
Subject: making a join alias ...
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:35:49 -0700
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New to the list, kindly redirect me if this isn't the right place, or
if I've missed the obvious (wouldn't be the first time).

How does one set up a "join-listname@server.com" alias? The kind that
requires NO body, and simply joins the sender to the "listname" list?

I've seen it in use, I believe on majordomo based lists, but have been
unable to find docs or example.

Majordomo 1.94.5.

Thanks,

Leo



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ok I did this:

> send an email to majordomo@servername.com and in the body, put
>
> index listname

This was the majordomo result:

--

>>>> index cybercell
#### No files available for cybercell.
>>>>

But 3 posts have been sent to this list... and received. Is there
something I need to do to set up the archives?

BJ

----- Original Message -----
From: <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: List Archives


> send an email to majordomo@servername.com and in the body, put
>
> index listname
>
> That will retrieve the index. I've modified the Perl scripts so the
> directions for retrieving a file are included in the return message
when
> the index command returns the index.
>
> --
> Karl L. Pearson
> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
>
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:
>
> >ok I already got a question from a subscriber on my new list. Where
are
> >the archives stored and how do users retrieve them?
> >
> >BJ
> >
> >
>
>



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ooooooooooooooooookay now what I learned is my server uses sendmail as
the "email client" (if I'm saying this right). So if I'm having multiple
problems with ppl sending and receiving emails from the domain accounts
I set up for them its probably not a majordomo problem but a SendMail
problem, right? (I don't think its a server problem cus the email lists
work fine.) Is there a separate interface or something to work with
SendMail? Cus I see it on the list of services provided by my server
host, but when I click on it, all it shows is how to add an alias.

BJ



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Hi, Leo-

It's something that I've done using Procmail - there's a recipe for it, but 
I'm rather limited
on Procmail as I'm upgrading to new servers with a different MTA and no 
longer use it,
so I never learned much about it except how to follow the recipe in 
conjunction with sendmail.

Hopefully someone else on the list can give you a hand.  If you don't get 
any replies, let me know
and I'll be glad to send you the templates I use and try to explain where I 
put things and how I
use them.

Regards-

Lisa

At 03:35 PM 8/29/2002, Leo Notenboom wrote:
>New to the list, kindly redirect me if this isn't the right place, or
>if I've missed the obvious (wouldn't be the first time).
>
>How does one set up a "join-listname@server.com" alias? The kind that
>requires NO body, and simply joins the sender to the "listname" list?
>
>I've seen it in use, I believe on majordomo based lists, but have been
>unable to find docs or example.
>
>Majordomo 1.94.5.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Leo

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> ok I did this:
> 
> > send an email to majordomo@servername.com and in the body, put
> >
> > index listname
> 
> This was the majordomo result:
> 
> --
> 
> >>>> index cybercell
> #### No files available for cybercell.
> >>>>
> 
> But 3 posts have been sent to this list... and received. Is 
> there something I need to do to set up the archives?

Yes... You need to set up specific aliases to build archives.  They're
in the examples.



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At 12:44 PM Thursday, 8/29/2002, Bonnie wrote -=>
>ok I did this:
>
> > send an email to majordomo@servername.com and in the body, put
> >
> > index listname
>
>This was the majordomo result:
>
>--
>
> >>>> index cybercell
>#### No files available for cybercell.
> >>>>
>
>But 3 posts have been sent to this list... and received. Is there
>something I need to do to set up the archives?


Just a few things...

Start with "Using Digest and Archive" in the README:

For archiving, there are three archive programs available. The best one
to use is called archive2.pl, and it is present in the main Majordomo 
directory.
(If you'd like to use one of the other archivers, be sure to move it to, or 
make
a link to it in, the main directory.) Comments at the top of the file explain
all the options available, and here's a brief extract that details what most
people want:

# A sample /etc/aliases file entry to use "archive" add each incoming message
# to a "my-list.YYMM" file in the "/usr/local/mail/lists/my-list.archive"
# directory:
#
#       my-list-archive: "|/usr/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl
#       -f /usr/local/mail/lists/my-list.archive/my-list
#       -m -a"



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From: Karl Pearson <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
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You have to have archiving setup in the aliases file. Check that.

--
Karl Pearson
Senior Consulting DBA
Senior Consulting Unix/MS/Database Analyst
karlp@ourldsfamily.com
http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
-------------------------------------

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:

->ok I did this:
->
->> send an email to majordomo@servername.com and in the body, put
->>
->> index listname
->
->This was the majordomo result:
->
->--
->
->>>>> index cybercell
->#### No files available for cybercell.
->>>>>
->
->But 3 posts have been sent to this list... and received. Is there
->something I need to do to set up the archives?
->
->BJ
->
->----- Original Message -----
->From: <karlp@ourldsfamily.com>
->To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
->Cc: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
->Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:23 PM
->Subject: Re: List Archives
->
->
->> send an email to majordomo@servername.com and in the body, put
->>
->> index listname
->>
->> That will retrieve the index. I've modified the Perl scripts so the
->> directions for retrieving a file are included in the return message
->when
->> the index command returns the index.
->>
->> --
->> Karl L. Pearson
->> Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
->> Senior Consulting Database Analyst
->> karlp@ourldsfamily.com
->> http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com
->>  My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
->>  http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml
->>
->> On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:
->>
->> >ok I already got a question from a subscriber on my new list. Where
->are
->> >the archives stored and how do users retrieve them?
->> >
->> >BJ
->> >
->> >
->>
->>
->



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Thanks Mr. Houle,

That all makes sense to me, from what little I do know.   I assumed it was a
program or an environment variable or something along those lines.  I'll
look into where this program is or should be on my server, if I can install
it or not, and then give MajorCool another shoot.  I believe that $CPSET is
pretty important for as many times as it appears in the MajorCool script .
Perhaps I'd better not try to substitute the equivilent install line you
mentioned.

I'm concerned that I would not know how to rewrite all the other references
to $CPSET in the script.

I'll speak with my host and see what information I can get from them.

Thanks,
Darrell

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Houle" <bhoule@n2.net>
To: "Darrell" <administrator@psy-center.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: MajorCool -o troubles


> 'cpset' is a program, similar to 'install', that copies a file *and*
> sets the mode/owner at the same time. It looks like you don't have
> one, so $CPSET is blank and it pushed the '-o' argument over to become
> the program name.
>
> I'm not sure what the -o does, but the install equivalent looks like
> it would be:
> install -m 644 -o $COOL_USERID -g $COOL_GROUPID $TMPFILE $config
>
> --bill
>




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On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:

> ooooooooooooooooookay now what I learned is my server uses sendmail as
> the "email client" (if I'm saying this right).

nope.....

"email client" or MUA (Mail User Agent) = software you use to
prepare/send/read email -- such as Micro$oft Outlook, Netscape
Communicator, Eudora, Pine -- for most people, runs on their desktop:
--- sends mail using SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol)
--- picks up mail using POP (Post Office Protocol) or IMAP (Interactive
Mail Access Protocol)

"email server" or MTA (Mail Transfer Agent) = server, usually runs on a
mid-sized or larger computer -- such as Sendmail, Postfix, Qmail -- moves
mail around:
--- receives mail from clients via SMTP (simple mail transfer protocol)
--- receives mail from outside world (other servers) via SMTP
--- forwards mail to other MTAs via SMTP
--- delivers mail to local mailboxes via various "delivery agents" -- the
most commonplace thing is to place mail in "mailbox files" on a local disk
- with each file  specific to an individual user; users email clients pick
up mail using POP or IMAP

majordomo, along with Listserve, Lyris, Mailman, etc., are "list managers"
- these manage lists of users: these are what take a message to, for
example, "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" and forwards it to 100s or
1000s of users who've subscribed to a list:
--- an MTA (e.g. sendmail) recieves mail at a specific address
(e.g., majordomo-users@greatcircle.com), and delivers it to the list
manager, which is a piece of software that runs after it receives the
message
--- the list manager generates 100s or 1000s of messages and hands them to
an MTA (e.g. sendmail) for delivery

> So if I'm having multiple problems with ppl sending and receiving
> emails from the domain accounts I set up for them its probably not a
> majordomo problem but a SendMail problem, right?

could be a problem with how you've set up their accounts, or with Sendmail

> (I don't think its a server problem cus the email lists work fine.)

what are you defining as the "server" - sendmail is your mail server

> Is there a separate interface or something to work with SendMail? Cus
> I see it on the list of services provided by my server host, but when
> I click on it, all it shows is how to add an alias.

suggestion: mail software is tricky stuff - go get a copy of O'Reilly's
book on Sendmail and do some reading; it helps if you're reasonably fluent
with Unix, with at least some experience in system administration.

as a starting point, go to www.sendmail.org, start with
http://www.sendmail.org/email-explained.html




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Well, if your majordomo configuration/installation is complete, and you
know it to be correct, perhaps you should examine sendmail and it's .cf
and .mc files?  Is your majordomo uid:gid the same as you used to compile
the wrapper?  Are there any group or world writable directories in the
path to wrapper (or the link)?  This includes /, /etc, and /etc/smrsh.
Is wrapper suid root?

Dan Liston

Ed Kasky wrote:
> Hey Dan -
> 
> I don't know if my last post got through but I finally deleted all the 
> source files I had from a while back and dl'd a new tar from greatcircle 
> and got it to work fine.  For some reason, it was not picking up the 
> changes in Makefile and from the majordomo.cf I created...
> 
> Now if I can only figure out why, even after I have created a symbolic 
> link to wrapper in /etc/smrsh and made majordomo a sendmail trusted 
> user, restarted sendmail I am still getting:
> 
> "smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable"
> 
> when testing the install with "echo 'lists' | mail majordomo"
> 
> I have seen this countless times on this list and know that creating the 
> symbolic link fixes it.
> 
> I have never had so many problems setting up a server as this go-round :-(
> 
> Ed
> 
> At 04:19 AM Thursday, 8/29/2002, Daniel Liston wrote -=>
> 
>> It might be because that is also the default $home in the sample.cf and
>> majordomo.cf file.  Just a guess at this point.  You did make a 
>> majordomo.cf
>> before trying to run config-test right? :)
>>
>>>> > > > W_HOME = /usr/local/majordomo
>>>> > > > W_MAJORDOMO_CF = $(W_HOME)/majordomo.cf
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > And why is it looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 anyway??
>>>> > >
>>>> > >It's looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 because that's the 
>>>> default
>>>> > >Majordomo home directory ($W_HOME) defined in the Makefile.
>>>> >
>>>> > I changed line 23 before running ./configure to "W_HOME =
>>>> > /usr/local/majordomo" which is where I like to put majordomo.
>>>>
>>>> Weird.  Run 'strings' on the 'wrapper' binary, that'll show you whether
>>>> your new path got into the binary at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>  From the stdout of "strings wrapper"
>>> MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf
>>> SHELL=/bin/sh
>>> PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb
>>> HOME=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5
>>> Which are directly from the sample.cf and not from the majordomo.cf 
>>> and Makefile in the src folder...
>>>
>>>> My 1.94.5 distribution didn't come with a ./configure script, where did
>>>> you get yours from?  If someone has GNU'ified the build procedure then
>>>
>>>
>>> I dl'd it straight from greatcircle.com.   And it doesn't come with a 
>>> configure script.  Install directions are really straight forward 
>>> which is why I am sort of baffled as to how the wrapper keeps picking 
>>> up these settings...
>>
> 





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This is an interesting one.  I checked all the paths to the wrapper and 
there are no world writable directories anywhere...

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           28 Aug 28 22:23 wrapper -> 
/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
-rwsr-xr-x    1 root     majordom    16847 Aug 28 17:34 
/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper

So I did a little test and put a link to rdate in /etc/smrsh and ran
# /usr/sbin/smrsh -c /etc/smrsh/rdate

and got the same results...

/usr/sbin/smrsh: rdate not available for sendmail programs

So I went digging in the sendmail faq:

"The default location of this directory for restricted programs is 
/usr/adm/sm.bin in the Open Source version, but vendor versions differ. For 
example, RedHat Linux 6.0 uses /etc/smrsh, and Solaris 8 uses 
/var/adm/sm.bin . If you don't know the directory for your OS, first check 
the smrsh man page, then if that fails, try:
         % strings /path/to/smrsh | grep ^/"

On my system (which I compiled from source) it returned

/lib/ld-linux.so.2
/usr/adm/sm.bin
/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb
/bin/sh

So I made the link in /usr/adm/sm.bin and viola!!!!

Ed
~~
At 04:53 PM Thursday, 8/29/2002, Daniel Liston wrote -=>

>Well, if your majordomo configuration/installation is complete, and you
>know it to be correct, perhaps you should examine sendmail and it's .cf
>and .mc files?  Is your majordomo uid:gid the same as you used to compile
>the wrapper?  Are there any group or world writable directories in the
>path to wrapper (or the link)?  This includes /, /etc, and /etc/smrsh.
>Is wrapper suid root?
>
>Dan Liston
>
>Ed Kasky wrote:
>>Hey Dan -
>>I don't know if my last post got through but I finally deleted all the 
>>source files I had from a while back and dl'd a new tar from greatcircle 
>>and got it to work fine.  For some reason, it was not picking up the 
>>changes in Makefile and from the majordomo.cf I created...
>>Now if I can only figure out why, even after I have created a symbolic 
>>link to wrapper in /etc/smrsh and made majordomo a sendmail trusted user, 
>>restarted sendmail I am still getting:
>>"smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
>>554 5.0.0 Service unavailable"
>>when testing the install with "echo 'lists' | mail majordomo"
>>I have seen this countless times on this list and know that creating the 
>>symbolic link fixes it.
>>I have never had so many problems setting up a server as this go-round :-(
>>Ed
>>At 04:19 AM Thursday, 8/29/2002, Daniel Liston wrote -=>
>>
>>>It might be because that is also the default $home in the sample.cf and
>>>majordomo.cf file.  Just a guess at this point.  You did make a majordomo.cf
>>>before trying to run config-test right? :)
>>>
>>>>> > > > W_HOME = /usr/local/majordomo
>>>>> > > > W_MAJORDOMO_CF = $(W_HOME)/majordomo.cf
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > And why is it looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 anyway??
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >It's looking in /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5 because that's the default
>>>>> > >Majordomo home directory ($W_HOME) defined in the Makefile.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I changed line 23 before running ./configure to "W_HOME =
>>>>> > /usr/local/majordomo" which is where I like to put majordomo.
>>>>>
>>>>>Weird.  Run 'strings' on the 'wrapper' binary, that'll show you whether
>>>>>your new path got into the binary at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  From the stdout of "strings wrapper"
>>>>MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf
>>>>SHELL=/bin/sh
>>>>PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb
>>>>HOME=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5
>>>>Which are directly from the sample.cf and not from the majordomo.cf and 
>>>>Makefile in the src folder...
>>>>
>>>>>My 1.94.5 distribution didn't come with a ./configure script, where did
>>>>>you get yours from?  If someone has GNU'ified the build procedure then
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I dl'd it straight from greatcircle.com.   And it doesn't come with a 
>>>>configure script.  Install directions are really straight forward which 
>>>>is why I am sort of baffled as to how the wrapper keeps picking up 
>>>>these settings...
>



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Okay Carl,

I'll keep on looking and looking.

I did find a cpset.sh file located in
/site1/fst/usr/local/MajorCool/install/cpset.sh, but I still can't figure
out how the Configure script makes the variable assignment so that it points
to this file that came with MajorCool.

Here is the first occurance of cpset in the Configure file:

[ -x cpset.sh ] && rm cpset.sh
[ -x cpset ] && rm cpset

For whatever that's worth.

Still struggling,
Darrell

(Day 4)



----- Original Message -----
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To: "'Darrell'" <administrator@psy-center.com>
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> --------------------------
> Somewhere in the script prior to the first occurance of $CPSET there will
> be a line that looks like:
>
> CPSET="stuff";
>
> This "stuff" on this line line will tell you what the variable $CPSET has
in
> it.
> Thereafter everytime the $CPSET appears the conents of "stuff" will be
> substituted.



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Thanks to everyone who's helped so far.  I've gotten past the perl and CPSET
issue's I was having earlier and managed to almost complete the Configure
script.

After it has installed the files it tries to do something with the wrapper
and aborts.  Here's the information it gives me:

Creating initial Key Cache file in
'/home/virtual/site1/fst/usr/lib/majordomo/.majordomo_keys'.
You will need to automate this process...
+ /home/virtual/site1/fst/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper mj_key_cache -v -K
/home/virtual/site1/fst/usr/lib/majordomo/.majordomo_keys -C
/home/virtual/site1/fst/usr/lib/majordomo/majordomo.cf
wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/lib/majordomo/mj_key_cache failed: No such file
or directory
    Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile?
    HOME is HOME=/usr/lib/majordomo,
    PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin,
    SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh,
    MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/etc/majordomo.cf
[root@psy MajorCool]#

The wrapper is trying to execute  /usr/lib/majordomo/mj_key_cache  This is
the wrong directory.  I don't know where the wrapper is getting that HOME
directory from.

The mj_key_cache was actually created during installation of MajorCool  in
/home/virtual/site1/fst/usr/lib/majordomo/mj_key_cache Right where I wanted
it to be, and expected it to be.

How do I instruct this wrapper in /home/virtual/site1/fst/usr/lib/majordomo
to stop trying to execute back down in /usr/lib/majordomo?  This copy it's
trying to access is below site1's scope.  It's actually a part of the
virtual servers main copy.  Not site1's copy of majordomo.  I really don't
want to mess around inside the virtual servers file system template.

My second question is once I figure out how to do that, is it safe to run
./Configure again?

Probably the biggest problem that I'm having is being on a virtual server.
There are just too many copies of majordomo on here and I only want to mess
with site1's copy.  I'm trying to install MajorCool in site1.  I'm not even
trying to add it to the file system templet.  I'd just like to get it
running on site1.

** As a side note, majordomo 1.94.5 is up and running, supporting about 5
lists on site1. All of that seems to be working correctly.

Thanks,
Darrell

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Miles Fidelman" <mfidelman@ntcorp.com>
To: "Bonnie" <bonnie.j.martens@verizon.net>
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:29 PM
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<snip>
>
> > So if I'm having multiple problems with ppl sending and receiving
> > emails from the domain accounts I set up for them its probably not a
> > majordomo problem but a SendMail problem, right?
>
> could be a problem with how you've set up their accounts, or with
Sendmail
>
> > (I don't think its a server problem cus the email lists work fine.)
>
> what are you defining as the "server" - sendmail is your mail server

ooooooooooh ooops... I was referring to the domain host. (I still don't
have the terminology figured out.) :P
>
> > Is there a separate interface or something to work with SendMail?
Cus
> > I see it on the list of services provided by my server host, but
when
> > I click on it, all it shows is how to add an alias.
>
> suggestion: mail software is tricky stuff - go get a copy of
O'Reilly's
> book on Sendmail and do some reading; it helps if you're reasonably
fluent
> with Unix, with at least some experience in system administration.
>
> as a starting point, go to www.sendmail.org, start with
> http://www.sendmail.org/email-explained.html

ok thanks I can see I'm REALLY gonna need this! (Cus the answer to the
qualifiers above is no and minimal). I'm gonna send it to my server
admin too. She's new at this stuff also, but she sure knows more about
it than I do!

BJ



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Marco:
(1) is it possible to use a mail client (kmail) sending mails
not via smpt but via sendmail ? sendmail (option in kmail) always
seems to put my test mails in the mqueque? problem is, I need to
configure more than one smpt adress as I have several email adresses.

(2) Will majordomo only work on a server always connected to
the internet? or can I run it on my local machine which is only
online,  when I am connected to the internet ?

> On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Bonnie wrote:
> > ooooooooooooooooookay now what I learned is my server uses sendmail as
> > the "email client" (if I'm saying this right).
>
> nope.....
>
> "email client" or MUA (Mail User Agent) = software you use to
> prepare/send/read email -- such as Micro$oft Outlook, Netscape
> Communicator, Eudora, Pine -- for most people, runs on their desktop:
> --- sends mail using SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol)
> --- picks up mail using POP (Post Office Protocol) or IMAP (Interactive
> Mail Access Protocol)
>
> "email server" or MTA (Mail Transfer Agent) = server, usually runs on a
> mid-sized or larger computer -- such as Sendmail, Postfix, Qmail -- moves
> mail around:
> --- receives mail from clients via SMTP (simple mail transfer protocol)
> --- receives mail from outside world (other servers) via SMTP
> --- forwards mail to other MTAs via SMTP
> --- delivers mail to local mailboxes via various "delivery agents" -- the
> most commonplace thing is to place mail in "mailbox files" on a local disk
> - with each file  specific to an individual user; users email clients pick
> up mail using POP or IMAP


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> Marco:
> (1) is it possible to use a mail client (kmail) sending mails
> not via smpt but via sendmail ? sendmail (option in kmail) always
> seems to put my test mails in the mqueque? problem is, I need to
> configure more than one smpt adress as I have several email adresses.

OK: SMTP is the Simple Mail Transport Protocol, the language used to 
send e-mail across the internet.  Sendmail is a program that queues 
messages and sends them USING SMTP.  The "mqueue" you refer to is 
simply the Mail QUEUE where sendmail places files that are to be sent 
via SMTP; it is possible that there are communication problems 
between your host and your destination addresses.  I don't really 
know what the last sentence means at all: there is no such thing as a 
"SMTP address", just IP addresses and e-mail addresses. If the e-mail 
address you are sending to happens to reside on a host that speaks 
SMTP, that's how the message is delivered.  Setting up multiple e-
mail addresses is simple; you just use aliases, which sendmail 
understands.

> (2) Will majordomo only work on a server always connected to
> the internet? or can I run it on my local machine which is only
> online,  when I am connected to the internet ?

If you're running software (such as sendmail) which can queue 
messages, then majordomo will work fine.  Of course, no one will be 
able to send to your lists when you are off-line, and although their 
hosts will queue those messages, they won't be able to automatically 
tell when you connect and deliver them at that time.  You could work 
on setting up a mail server externally that queues incoming messages, 
and delivers them when you connect to the internet (using POP-before-
SMTP or something similar) but that gets pretty complicated.
                                 Dave C

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ok one last question... :)

When a subscribers needs to manage their email list that is hosted on
Majordomo, do they use Majordomo or SendMail?  I think its Majordomo,
right? I (as adminsitrator) am the only one who needs to be concerned
with SendMail, right?

BJ



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Where can I find the readme file? Someone else set this up for me and I
didn't get a chance to read it and I think I need to. All I have is the
Majordomo site administrator page up that's what I use for managing my
lists but I don't see the readme file. I clicked Files and the readme
file is not there and I looked in help and can't find any reference to
the readme file so I don't know where else to look. Also, is there a
place I can find a list of majordomo commands with easy-to-understand
instructions how to use them? Watta newbie eh? Yeah... :P

BJ



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On the official website.

http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/1.94.5/README

There's lots of other useful info there too; as a general note, 
google is your friend.  I just type in "majordomo" and the first hit 
was the majordomo site, which lists the README file prominently.

> Where can I find the readme file? Someone else set this up for me and I
> didn't get a chance to read it and I think I need to. All I have is the
> Majordomo site administrator page up that's what I use for managing my
> lists but I don't see the readme file. I clicked Files and the readme
> file is not there and I looked in help and can't find any reference to
> the readme file so I don't know where else to look. Also, is there a
> place I can find a list of majordomo commands with easy-to-understand
> instructions how to use them? Watta newbie eh? Yeah... :P

                                 Dave C

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(617)495-5922           http://www-arp.harvard.edu



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Bonnie -

Start here:

http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/

And if you can, grab a copy of "Managing Mailing Lists" by Alan Schwartz...

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mailing/

At 10:29 AM Friday, 8/30/2002, Bonnie wrote -=>
>Where can I find the readme file? Someone else set this up for me and I




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Okie thanks yeah that is the one place I didn't check. :P

Yeah I like Google... I have a Google bar on my browser! :)

BJ

P.S. If anyone doesn't have it and wants it, the url is
http://toolbar.google.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Corlette" <corlette@huarp.harvard.edu>
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>
> On the official website.
>
> http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/1.94.5/README
>
> There's lots of other useful info there too; as a general note,
> google is your friend.  I just type in "majordomo" and the first hit
> was the majordomo site, which lists the README file prominently.
>
> > Where can I find the readme file? Someone else set this up for me
and I
> > didn't get a chance to read it and I think I need to. All I have is
the
> > Majordomo site administrator page up that's what I use for managing
my
> > lists but I don't see the readme file. I clicked Files and the
readme
> > file is not there and I looked in help and can't find any reference
to
> > the readme file so I don't know where else to look. Also, is there a
> > place I can find a list of majordomo commands with
easy-to-understand
> > instructions how to use them? Watta newbie eh? Yeah... :P
>
>                                  Dave C
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> David Corlette          mailto:corlette@huarp.harvard.edu
> (617)495-5922           http://www-arp.harvard.edu
>
>
>



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On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Ed Kasky wrote:

>
> And if you can, grab a copy of "Managing Mailing Lists" by Alan Schwartz...
>
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mailing/

the majordomo chapter from the 1994 version of the book is included in at
least some distributions of majordomo - try a google search on
"majordomo.ora"


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You are quite welcome.  I am including the list in this reply
and including the entire conversation thread so that others
may find benefit from our discussion.

Dan Liston

john doe wrote:
 >
> THANK YOU so much.  I checked everything you suggested and finally 
> changed the majordomo.cf file to use our actual host name rather than 
> '/bin/dnsdomainname'.  Everything is working now.  It is interesting 
> that we used 'bin/dnsdomainname' before the crash, but after restoring 
> from tape, it did not work anymore.  At any rate I cannot thank you 
> enough for your help.  Please post this if you feel it will be helpful 
> to others.
> 
> 
>> Daniel Liston <dliston(at)sonny.org>
>>
>> Make sure your aliases or majordomo.aliases file does not have the
>> majordomo-owner or owner-majordomo expanding to postmaster, or root.
>> Set your sendmail.cw or local-host-names to include your machine's
>> hostname.
>> Add majordomo to your sendmail.cf with "Tmajordomo" or add majordomo
>> to the trusted-users file.
>> Make sure you have $whereami defined properly in your majordomo.cf.
>>   Do NOT use `/bin/dnsdomainname`.  USE the hostname of your machine.
>>
>> Let me know if I can post this to the public majordomo-users list.
>> This is useful information that everyone can benefit from.
>>
>>
>> john doe wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the info - I have pasted the header from var/spool below.
>>>
>>> Return-Path: <>
>>> Received: (from majordomo@localhost)
>>>        by localhost.localdomain (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g7THsim08872;
>>>        Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:54:44 -0400
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:54:44 -0400
>>> Message-Id: <200208291754.g7THsim08872@localhost.localdomain>
>>> X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordomo set sender 
>>> to Majordomo-Owner@ using -f
>>> To: br@htc.edu
>>> From:
>>> Subject: Confirmation for subscribe clop21
>>> Reply-To:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Daniel Liston <dliston(at)sonny.org>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I am not understanding fully.  Are you saying if someone hits the
>>>> reply or reply-all button when trying to respond to a majordomo confirm
>>>> message that the "To:" part of their message composer is not properly
>>>> populated with "majordomo@yourdomain.com"?
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried viewing with various clients?  Eudora, Outlook, Pine,
>>>> Netscape?  A "Reply-To:" is not a requirement for being able to reply
>>>> to a message, just a "From".  Your message can be replied to, and it
>>>> did not have a "Reply-To:" header.  This message is proof of that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> john doe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We are running redhat 7.0  and majordomo 1.94.5 with sendmail.  We 
>>>>> had a system crash and restored from tape.  Since the restore, any 
>>>>> subscription request sent to majordomo is returned with a blank 
>>>>> reply to address. The message to confirm the subscription is 
>>>>> correct, but users cannot reply because the reply to field is 
>>>>> blank. I have looked in various files, but cannot find a solution.  
>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>





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Hello,

Based on what I've found so far, it seems support for Majordomo (and its
widespread use) may be declining. I'm querying the majordomo-users list to
hear your opinion of Majordomo's current state and what its future may hold.
Obviously, folks on this list will likely view majordomo as widely used;
however, where do you think the rest of the e-mail admin community is
headed? (For example: I think Mosaic is a cool browser, but I know it's not
as mainstream as it used to be.)

My perception is based on the following:

The current version is 1.94.5, released Jan 18, 2000
Majordomo-announce archive stops after 2001
Majordomo-users archive stops after August of 2002
FAQ info related to sendmail references old sendmail versions as if they
were current
And similar imperfect evidence that I could be misinterpreting :-)

I am not attempting to put down Majordomo from a technical perspective. The
last time I messed around with list servers (1996-ish) I seem to remember
ListSERV and Majordomo being the main tools in use. Imagine my recent
surprise to find that ListSERV has gone commercial and Majordomo hasn't been
updated in well over three years.

If you think majordomo may be in decline, what are the other "real players"
in terms of free list serve software? I know dozens exist, but which ones
are in widespread use or considered the de-facto standard? If I go to the
trouble of building a list serve environment, I'd like to increase the
chances that my replacement will have worked with the tools I choose.

Thanks in advance for your input,

-John C.



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> Based on what I've found so far, it seems support for Majordomo (and its
> widespread use) may be declining. I'm querying the majordomo-users list to
> hear your opinion of Majordomo's current state and what its future may hold.
> Obviously, folks on this list will likely view majordomo as widely used;
> however, where do you think the rest of the e-mail admin community is
> headed? (For example: I think Mosaic is a cool browser, but I know it's not
> as mainstream as it used to be.)
> 
> My perception is based on the following:
> 
> The current version is 1.94.5, released Jan 18, 2000
> Majordomo-announce archive stops after 2001
> Majordomo-users archive stops after August of 2002
> FAQ info related to sendmail references old sendmail versions as if they
> were current
> And similar imperfect evidence that I could be misinterpreting :-)
> 
> I am not attempting to put down Majordomo from a technical perspective. The
> last time I messed around with list servers (1996-ish) I seem to remember
> ListSERV and Majordomo being the main tools in use. Imagine my recent
> surprise to find that ListSERV has gone commercial and Majordomo hasn't been
> updated in well over three years.
> 
> If you think majordomo may be in decline, what are the other "real players"
> in terms of free list serve software? I know dozens exist, but which ones
> are in widespread use or considered the de-facto standard? If I go to the
> trouble of building a list serve environment, I'd like to increase the
> chances that my replacement will have worked with the tools I choose.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your input,
> 
> -John C.
> 
> 


                                 Dave C

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(617)495-5922           http://www-arp.harvard.edu



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Apologies to all to the former incomplete posting...itchy trigger 
finger...

My impression is that majordomo is very stable, has most of the 
features one would want in a mailing list manager, and therefore not 
a heck of a lot has changed over the past few years (the one 
exception being web interface, for which third-party SW exists).

They are (were?) working on a version 2 of majordomo, but my 
impression is that the current version works well enough that there's 
not a whole lot of demand.

Kind of a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" situation.  I went 
looking for mailing list software recently and didn't find anything 
that fit the bill any better than majordomo, so that's what I went 
with.  Familiarity may have had something to do with it, and I didn't 
want to get into qmail at that time.

My 2c, anyway...

> Based on what I've found so far, it seems support for Majordomo (and its
> widespread use) may be declining. I'm querying the majordomo-users list to
> hear your opinion of Majordomo's current state and what its future may hold.
> Obviously, folks on this list will likely view majordomo as widely used;
> however, where do you think the rest of the e-mail admin community is
> headed? 
                                 Dave C

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Depending on your OS and your MTA, there are also mailman, ezmlm, and
SmartList (as far as free list managers go).  I believe mailman is
designed for use with postfix and and ezmlm for qmail (I could have
this backwards).  SmartList is based on procmail rules, and other than
installing any of them, I can not say I have used anything but our
favorite, majordomo.  Before The January 2000 release of majordomo,
the previous version 1.94.4, had timestamps ranging from 93-97, but
most files had been updated around Aug-Oct 97.  1.94.2 and .3 were of
the Apr 97 vintage, and 1.94 sometime around Oct 96.

Considering 6 years with only 5 bugfix/patch updates and 2-3 years
each between the most recent 2, we have a solid product on our hands.
I would say we will be using majordomo for a long time to come.
Especially if perl savy mail admins have anything to say about it.

Archives, don't know who maintains them, don't want the responsibility
myself.  Since there has only been one announcement since 2000, I can
see what that archive stops.  Aug 2002 is this month!  I would say you
can't get any more current than that.  FAQ, old sendmail, well, if it
is still valid, why change it?  I don't want that responsibility either,
but would be willing if the oportunity presented itself.

There have been a small handful of patches and contributions since
1.94.5 was released, and after some developer discussion some, all,
or something in-between may be rolled out as 1.94.6 in the future.

MajordomoII is still in alpha (maybe beta) development, and there are
a good number of people already running it successfully, but it should
not be confused with majordomo.  It is a complete rewrite from the
ground up.

Dan Liston

John Christian wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Based on what I've found so far, it seems support for Majordomo (and its
> widespread use) may be declining. I'm querying the majordomo-users list to
> hear your opinion of Majordomo's current state and what its future may hold.
> Obviously, folks on this list will likely view majordomo as widely used;
> however, where do you think the rest of the e-mail admin community is
> headed? (For example: I think Mosaic is a cool browser, but I know it's not
> as mainstream as it used to be.)
> 
> My perception is based on the following:
> 
> The current version is 1.94.5, released Jan 18, 2000
> Majordomo-announce archive stops after 2001
> Majordomo-users archive stops after August of 2002
> FAQ info related to sendmail references old sendmail versions as if they
> were current
> And similar imperfect evidence that I could be misinterpreting :-)
> 
> I am not attempting to put down Majordomo from a technical perspective. The
> last time I messed around with list servers (1996-ish) I seem to remember
> ListSERV and Majordomo being the main tools in use. Imagine my recent
> surprise to find that ListSERV has gone commercial and Majordomo hasn't been
> updated in well over three years.
> 
> If you think majordomo may be in decline, what are the other "real players"
> in terms of free list serve software? I know dozens exist, but which ones
> are in widespread use or considered the de-facto standard? If I go to the
> trouble of building a list serve environment, I'd like to increase the
> chances that my replacement will have worked with the tools I choose.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your input,
> 
> -John C.
> 





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I believe mailman works with sendmail. I was tracking it on their user's
list like this one for a while to see if I wanted to use it. After a couple
of months, I could see they had too many problems for me. It seems to still
need some "baking."

At 04:33 PM 8.30.2002 -0500, Daniel Liston wrote:
>
>Depending on your OS and your MTA, there are also mailman, ezmlm, and
>SmartList (as far as free list managers go).  I believe mailman is
>designed for use with postfix and and ezmlm for qmail (I could have
>this backwards).  SmartList is based on procmail rules, and other than
>installing any of them, I can not say I have used anything but our
>favorite, majordomo.  Before The January 2000 release of majordomo,
>the previous version 1.94.4, had timestamps ranging from 93-97, but
>most files had been updated around Aug-Oct 97.  1.94.2 and .3 were of
>the Apr 97 vintage, and 1.94 sometime around Oct 96.
>
>Considering 6 years with only 5 bugfix/patch updates and 2-3 years
>each between the most recent 2, we have a solid product on our hands.
>I would say we will be using majordomo for a long time to come.
>Especially if perl savy mail admins have anything to say about it.
>
>Archives, don't know who maintains them, don't want the responsibility
>myself.  Since there has only been one announcement since 2000, I can
>see what that archive stops.  Aug 2002 is this month!  I would say you
>can't get any more current than that.  FAQ, old sendmail, well, if it
>is still valid, why change it?  I don't want that responsibility either,
>but would be willing if the oportunity presented itself.
>
>There have been a small handful of patches and contributions since
>1.94.5 was released, and after some developer discussion some, all,
>or something in-between may be rolled out as 1.94.6 in the future.
>
>MajordomoII is still in alpha (maybe beta) development, and there are
>a good number of people already running it successfully, but it should
>not be confused with majordomo.  It is a complete rewrite from the
>ground up.
>
>Dan Liston
>
>John Christian wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Based on what I've found so far, it seems support for Majordomo (and its
>> widespread use) may be declining. I'm querying the majordomo-users list to
>> hear your opinion of Majordomo's current state and what its future may
hold.
>> Obviously, folks on this list will likely view majordomo as widely used;
>> however, where do you think the rest of the e-mail admin community is
>> headed? (For example: I think Mosaic is a cool browser, but I know it's not
>> as mainstream as it used to be.)
>> 
>> My perception is based on the following:
>> 
>> The current version is 1.94.5, released Jan 18, 2000
>> Majordomo-announce archive stops after 2001
>> Majordomo-users archive stops after August of 2002
>> FAQ info related to sendmail references old sendmail versions as if they
>> were current
>> And similar imperfect evidence that I could be misinterpreting :-)
>> 
>> I am not attempting to put down Majordomo from a technical perspective. The
>> last time I messed around with list servers (1996-ish) I seem to remember
>> ListSERV and Majordomo being the main tools in use. Imagine my recent
>> surprise to find that ListSERV has gone commercial and Majordomo hasn't
been
>> updated in well over three years.
>> 
>> If you think majordomo may be in decline, what are the other "real players"
>> in terms of free list serve software? I know dozens exist, but which ones
>> are in widespread use or considered the de-facto standard? If I go to the
>> trouble of building a list serve environment, I'd like to increase the
>> chances that my replacement will have worked with the tools I choose.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your input,
>> 
>> -John C.
>> 
>
>
>
>
>
>

Best regards,
Jack L. Stone,
Administrator

Sage American
http://www.sage-american.com
jacks@sage-american.com


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True, they all work with sendmail, and probably the other MTAs I
spoke of previously, but their "design" was as mentioned.  Majordomo
was designed for use with sendmail. (but also works with other MTAs)

Dan Liston

Jack L. Stone wrote:
> I believe mailman works with sendmail. I was tracking it on their user's
> list like this one for a while to see if I wanted to use it. After a couple
> of months, I could see they had too many problems for me. It seems to still
> need some "baking."
> 
> At 04:33 PM 8.30.2002 -0500, Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
>>Depending on your OS and your MTA, there are also mailman, ezmlm, and
>>SmartList (as far as free list managers go).  I believe mailman is
>>designed for use with postfix and and ezmlm for qmail (I could have
>>this backwards).  SmartList is based on procmail rules, and other than
>>installing any of them, I can not say I have used anything but our
>>favorite, majordomo.  Before The January 2000 release of majordomo,
>>the previous version 1.94.4, had timestamps ranging from 93-97, but
>>most files had been updated around Aug-Oct 97.  1.94.2 and .3 were of
>>the Apr 97 vintage, and 1.94 sometime around Oct 96.
>>
>>Considering 6 years with only 5 bugfix/patch updates and 2-3 years
>>each between the most recent 2, we have a solid product on our hands.
>>I would say we will be using majordomo for a long time to come.
>>Especially if perl savy mail admins have anything to say about it.
>>
>>Archives, don't know who maintains them, don't want the responsibility
>>myself.  Since there has only been one announcement since 2000, I can
>>see what that archive stops.  Aug 2002 is this month!  I would say you
>>can't get any more current than that.  FAQ, old sendmail, well, if it
>>is still valid, why change it?  I don't want that responsibility either,
>>but would be willing if the oportunity presented itself.
>>
>>There have been a small handful of patches and contributions since
>>1.94.5 was released, and after some developer discussion some, all,
>>or something in-between may be rolled out as 1.94.6 in the future.
>>
>>MajordomoII is still in alpha (maybe beta) development, and there are
>>a good number of people already running it successfully, but it should
>>not be confused with majordomo.  It is a complete rewrite from the
>>ground up.
>>
>>Dan Liston
>>
>>John Christian wrote:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Based on what I've found so far, it seems support for Majordomo (and its
>>>widespread use) may be declining. I'm querying the majordomo-users list to
>>>hear your opinion of Majordomo's current state and what its future may
>>
> hold.
> 
>>>Obviously, folks on this list will likely view majordomo as widely used;
>>>however, where do you think the rest of the e-mail admin community is
>>>headed? (For example: I think Mosaic is a cool browser, but I know it's not
>>>as mainstream as it used to be.)
>>>
>>>My perception is based on the following:
>>>
>>>The current version is 1.94.5, released Jan 18, 2000
>>>Majordomo-announce archive stops after 2001
>>>Majordomo-users archive stops after August of 2002
>>>FAQ info related to sendmail references old sendmail versions as if they
>>>were current
>>>And similar imperfect evidence that I could be misinterpreting :-)
>>>
>>>I am not attempting to put down Majordomo from a technical perspective. The
>>>last time I messed around with list servers (1996-ish) I seem to remember
>>>ListSERV and Majordomo being the main tools in use. Imagine my recent
>>>surprise to find that ListSERV has gone commercial and Majordomo hasn't
>>
> been
> 
>>>updated in well over three years.
>>>
>>>If you think majordomo may be in decline, what are the other "real players"
>>>in terms of free list serve software? I know dozens exist, but which ones
>>>are in widespread use or considered the de-facto standard? If I go to the
>>>trouble of building a list serve environment, I'd like to increase the
>>>chances that my replacement will have worked with the tools I choose.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for your input,
>>>
>>>-John C.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Best regards,
> Jack L. Stone,
> Administrator
> 
> Sage American
> http://www.sage-american.com
> jacks@sage-american.com





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On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Daniel Liston wrote:

> Depending on your OS and your MTA, there are also mailman, ezmlm, and
> SmartList (as far as free list managers go).  I believe mailman is

there's also Sympa - a very full-featured package used by a lot of French
universities


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<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4>On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT), Miles Fidelman wrote:</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">>On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Daniel Liston wrote:</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">>>Depending on your OS and your MTA, there are also mailman, ezmlm,</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">>>and</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">>>SmartList (as far as free list managers go).  I believe mailman is</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">>there's also Sympa - a very full-featured package used by a lot of</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">>French</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">>universities</FONT></div>
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<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#400000">Won't it be nice to incoude a link?<br>
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> On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT), Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >there's also Sympa - a very full-featured package used by a lot of
> >
> Won't it be nice to incoude a link?

listes.cru.fr/sympa/

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<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4>On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:28:31 -0400 (EDT), Miles Fidelman wrote:</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">>On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Online Subscriptions wrote:</FONT></div>
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<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">>>On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT), Miles Fidelman wrote:</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800080">>>>there's also Sympa - a very full-featured package used by a lot of</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800080">>>></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">>>Won't it be nice to incoude a link?</FONT></div>
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<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">>listes.cru.fr/sympa/</FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">></FONT></div>
<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">>note: google is your friend (I had to look it up)</FONT></div>
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<div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#400000">Yes .. thanks but when you suggest or recommend, one assumes and expects more including the link ...:)</FONT></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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Wouldn't it be nice if mailling list users composed messages in PLAIN/TEXT
so all members from all operating systems using all email clients could
read them?

Dan Liston

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Online Subscriptions wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT), Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Daniel Liston wrote:
> >
> >>Depending on your OS and your MTA, there are also mailman, ezmlm,
> >>and
> >>SmartList (as far as free list managers go).  I believe mailman is
> >
> >there's also Sympa - a very full-featured package used by a lot of
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Subject: block blank message?
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I hope this isn't really obvious, but I haven't found the answer yet. How
can we bounce messages with no content? 

Here's my situation: I'm using demime, which is great, but now those
annoying Klez messages that spoof legitimate subscribers' addresses are
getting delivered to my lists. The payload is stripped out, but the
message, with the list's message footer as its only content, still gets
delivered.

I know, I could filter for each variant of the subject line, but it just
seems like there ought to be an eleganter solution, and I figured blank
messages are not usually desirable in any case, since they are often the
result of someone's finger slipping & hitting the send command too soon.

I wondered if maybe just putting a body taboo entry of 

//

would work? But I suspect that's *too* easy and either won't work or will
have some horrendous side-effect. 

This must be something folks have solved before, but I haven't found
anything in the FAQ...

TIA,

--Eric Crump




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Eric Crump <eric@interversity.com> wrote:

> I hope this isn't really obvious, but I haven't found the answer yet. How
> can we bounce messages with no content? 

If the messages literally have no content then you could catch them by
adding the following lines marked '+' into the 'resend' script at about
line 819, in the parse_body() function (surrounding lines shown for
context):

      	    }
      	}
      	print OUT $_;
    } 	                                                        # while

 +  if ( !defined($approved)) {        
 +    	if ( $body_len < 1 ) {
 +    	    $gonna_bounce .= " Message body is empty ";
 +    	}
 + }
 
    print STDERR "$0: parse_body: exiting with '$gonna_bounce'\n" 
      	if $DEBUG;

If the message bodies you're trying to intercept consist of a number of
blank lines then you'll have to do something just very slightly more
complex than that.  At the top of the parse_body() function set a flag
variable to "true" and change it to "false" as soon as you see a line
that has real content, then test that rather than looking at the value
of $body_len in the code snippet above.

> I wondered if maybe just putting a body taboo entry of 
> 
> //
> 
> would work?

I think you mean /^$/, but you don't want to do that.  It'll bounce any
message that contains an empty line.

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I wrote:

> If the messages literally have no content then you could catch them by
> adding the following lines marked '+' into the 'resend' script at about
> line 819, in the parse_body() function (surrounding lines shown for
> context):
> 
>       	    }
>       	}
>       	print OUT $_;
>     } 	                                                        # while
> 
>  +  if ( !defined($approved)) {        
>  +    	if ( $body_len < 1 ) {
>  +    	    $gonna_bounce .= " Message body is empty ";
>  +    	}
>  + }
>  
>     print STDERR "$0: parse_body: exiting with '$gonna_bounce'\n" 
>       	if $DEBUG;
> 
> If the message bodies you're trying to intercept consist of a number of
> blank lines then you'll have to do something just very slightly more
> complex than that.  At the top of the parse_body() function set a flag
> variable to "true" and change it to "false" as soon as you see a line
> that has real content, then test that rather than looking at the value
> of $body_len in the code snippet above.

On second thoughts, rather than introducing a new variable you can use
the variables that are already there:

      	    }
      	}
      	print OUT $_;
    } 	                                                        # while

 +  if ( !defined($approved)) {        
 +    	if ( $body_len <= $body_line_count ) {
 +    	    $gonna_bounce .= " Message body is empty ";
 +    	}
 + }
 
    print STDERR "$0: parse_body: exiting with '$gonna_bounce'\n" 
      	if $DEBUG;

Mike.
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In this particular case, the demime tool could have been used, but then I
would have nothing to complain about. :)  I have considered putting it on
an alias to my mailbox several times, but I do receive attachments that I
would rather not lose by doing that.  I guess I could still complain, but
just at a different situation.

I am not aware that ANY of the list managers having native demime
capabilities.  Even if they did, they would also have to strip messages
of all the tags (and formatting instructions) that microsoft word inserts.
Large or colored fonts and stationary style backgrounds are for love
letters and advertising and should not be used for public email.

I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but I still use tools like unix
"mail" or "pine" from a command line to open a message from time to time.
It just annoys the bejesus out of me to have to try to find real content
out of raw HTML or XML.

Dan Liston

Bill Houle wrote:
>>Wouldn't it be nice if mailling list users composed messages in PLAIN/TEXT
>>so all members from all operating systems using all email clients could
>>read them?
>>
>>Dan Liston
> 
> 
> This calls to mind the only objection I would have to David Corlette's
> "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" analysis of Majordomo: MD was written
> at a time when HTML mail was non-existent and attachments were limited
> to uuencode only. The landscape has changed considerably since then.
> Headers, footers, and attachment stripping are much more complex with
> MIME and HTML in the picture.
> 
> Products like Sympa and MailMan most likely handle these a bit better
> than the long-in-the-tooth Majordomo. Majordomo2, rewrite or not,
> also offers improvements in these areas. I wish MD2 had a little
> more momentum...
> 
> --bill





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Rock on Mike!  You are awesome!  This one should be saved in the
"unofficial archives" as resend.2 (R+)

Mike Oliver wrote:
> I wrote:
> 
> 
>>If the messages literally have no content then you could catch them by
>>adding the following lines marked '+' into the 'resend' script at about
>>line 819, in the parse_body() function (surrounding lines shown for
>>context):
>>
[first idea snipped]
> 
> On second thoughts, rather than introducing a new variable you can use
> the variables that are already there:
> 
>       	    }
>       	}
>       	print OUT $_;
>     } 	                                                        # while
> 
>  +  if ( !defined($approved)) {        
>  +    	if ( $body_len <= $body_line_count ) {
>  +    	    $gonna_bounce .= " Message body is empty ";
>  +    	}
>  + }
>  
>     print STDERR "$0: parse_body: exiting with '$gonna_bounce'\n" 
>       	if $DEBUG;
> 
> Mike.





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Re. the recent discussion of alternatives to majordomo:

Has anybody done a recent comparison of any or all of:
- Majordomo 1.*
- Majordomo 2
- Mailman
- Sympa
- SmartList
- ezmlm
- and maybe some commercial ones (Listserver, Lyris);

or does anybody know of a recent comparison?

I'm particularly interested in how Sympa and Mailman compare, maybe with
Lyris as a benchmark for comparison.  I'm getting ready to shift from
Majordomo for a bunch of lists, and I've pretty much narrowed it down to
Sympa and Mailman.

Thanks much,

Miles Fidelman

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Thanks for all of your valuable input. You have restored my faith in moving
forward with majordomo. The number of responses in less than 24 hours says
something in itself. Especially considering it's a holiday weekend for those
of us in the US.

David's "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" analogy seems most appropriate.
And Dan helped put things in perspective by noting that majordomo has been
around for "...6 years with only 5 bugfix/patch updates and 2-3 years each
between the most recent 2..." (BTW Dan: I thought I was living in 2003
yesterday!)

It seems my notion was flawed that just because a package isn't updated or
patched at least a few times a year that it must be on its way out. As I
move forward with majordomo using sendmail on Solaris, I'll plow through the
available documentation before bothering this list with any newbie Q's.

Thanks again!
-John C



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Feel free to ask us questions if you get stuck.  That is what we come here
for after all. :)  6+ years only covers the current minor version number of
(.94).  I did not bother digging back any deeper to continue to express my
opinion, but I could have.  Get familiar with sendmail, and perl, and you
will be a happy majordomo user for years to come.

Dan Liston

PS. I tend to time warp occasionally too.

John Christian wrote:
> Thanks for all of your valuable input. You have restored my faith in moving
> forward with majordomo. The number of responses in less than 24 hours says
> something in itself. Especially considering it's a holiday weekend for those
> of us in the US.
> 
> David's "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" analogy seems most appropriate.
> And Dan helped put things in perspective by noting that majordomo has been
> around for "...6 years with only 5 bugfix/patch updates and 2-3 years each
> between the most recent 2..." (BTW Dan: I thought I was living in 2003
> yesterday!)
> 
> It seems my notion was flawed that just because a package isn't updated or
> patched at least a few times a year that it must be on its way out. As I
> move forward with majordomo using sendmail on Solaris, I'll plow through the
> available documentation before bothering this list with any newbie Q's.
> 
> Thanks again!
> -John C
> 





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I could not say I even know of any older comparisons.
While each is a good product in it's own way, each also
has it's own shortcomings.  Sympa's white paper looks
very impressive, but has dependencies on very complex
back-end applications.  Mailman has a to-do list with
some features that are already part of majordomo.

You are probably in the wrong place to ask this question
but you might get some responses from people who have
decided to swtich TO majordomo from one or more of the
other list managers in your list.  To get a wider
variety of responses, you may ask this same question
on a list-managers list, or even on a list for each
possible MTA.

I am >97% satisfied with the product I have chosen, so
I have not been out shopping for something new.  There
are times I have even tweaked/modified the code to do
something more toward my political practices, but that
is one of the beauties of having a product written in
perl.  Fixes, patches, enhancements, and contributions
from other majordomo-users/developers and the mostly
calm atmosphere of this support list are a big part of
what makes me stay with majordomo too.

I wish you great success in your quest for the best of
mailing list managers.  Maybe you can post us updates
when you decide which one is the best one "for you".

Dan Liston

Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Re. the recent discussion of alternatives to majordomo:
> 
> Has anybody done a recent comparison of any or all of:
> - Majordomo 1.*
> - Majordomo 2
> - Mailman
> - Sympa
> - SmartList
> - ezmlm
> - and maybe some commercial ones (Listserver, Lyris);
> 
> or does anybody know of a recent comparison?
> 
> I'm particularly interested in how Sympa and Mailman compare, maybe with
> Lyris as a benchmark for comparison.  I'm getting ready to shift from
> Majordomo for a bunch of lists, and I've pretty much narrowed it down to
> Sympa and Mailman.




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As another suggestion, if you have time is to sign up for the user mail
list like this one for each of the programs. You will learn very quickly as
to what type of problems/strengths each have. This is one of the best ways
to find out... from the users themselves.

This is what curtailed my interest in Mailman....

LOL....

At 04:36 PM 8.31.2002 -0500, Daniel Liston wrote:
>
>I could not say I even know of any older comparisons.
>While each is a good product in it's own way, each also
>has it's own shortcomings.  Sympa's white paper looks
>very impressive, but has dependencies on very complex
>back-end applications.  Mailman has a to-do list with
>some features that are already part of majordomo.
>
>You are probably in the wrong place to ask this question
>but you might get some responses from people who have
>decided to swtich TO majordomo from one or more of the
>other list managers in your list.  To get a wider
>variety of responses, you may ask this same question
>on a list-managers list, or even on a list for each
>possible MTA.
>
>I am >97% satisfied with the product I have chosen, so
>I have not been out shopping for something new.  There
>are times I have even tweaked/modified the code to do
>something more toward my political practices, but that
>is one of the beauties of having a product written in
>perl.  Fixes, patches, enhancements, and contributions
>from other majordomo-users/developers and the mostly
>calm atmosphere of this support list are a big part of
>what makes me stay with majordomo too.
>
>I wish you great success in your quest for the best of
>mailing list managers.  Maybe you can post us updates
>when you decide which one is the best one "for you".
>
>Dan Liston
>
>Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> Re. the recent discussion of alternatives to majordomo:
>> 
>> Has anybody done a recent comparison of any or all of:
>> - Majordomo 1.*
>> - Majordomo 2
>> - Mailman
>> - Sympa
>> - SmartList
>> - ezmlm
>> - and maybe some commercial ones (Listserver, Lyris);
>> 
>> or does anybody know of a recent comparison?
>> 
>> I'm particularly interested in how Sympa and Mailman compare, maybe with
>> Lyris as a benchmark for comparison.  I'm getting ready to shift from
>> Majordomo for a bunch of lists, and I've pretty much narrowed it down to
>> Sympa and Mailman.
>
>
>
>
>

Best regards,
Jack L. Stone,
Administrator

Sage American
http://www.sage-american.com
jacks@sage-american.com


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On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Daniel Liston wrote:

> on a list-managers list, or even on a list for each

good point - thanks!



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On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Jack L. Stone wrote:

> As another suggestion, if you have time is to sign up for the user mail
> list like this one for each of the programs. You will learn very quickly as
> to what type of problems/strengths each have. This is one of the best ways
> to find out... from the users themselves.

good point - I'm on the Sympa list, and was on the mailman list for a
while

> This is what curtailed my interest in Mailman....

me too, though it looks like its matured a bit since I looked last

Thanks,

MIles



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	I despised Mailman and the attitude of the developers.  Their normal 
response to any suggestion is "if you don't like the way it works either 
learn to code or use something else".  Then if you ask for help all they 
ever say is "read the FAQ" no matter what the question is.
	On the other hand the folks who are the HMFICs around here are very 
supportive and helpful.  Dan L particularly goes out of his way to help 
folks with problems and better yet he explains things to them so that they 
understand what all is going on with the issue.  The Mailman folks could 
take a lesson or two (or 100) from the majordomo coders.






At 08:46 PM 8/31/2002 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
 >On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Jack L. Stone wrote:
 >
 >> As another suggestion, if you have time is to sign up for the user mail
 >> list like this one for each of the programs. You will learn very quickly as
 >> to what type of problems/strengths each have. This is one of the best ways
 >> to find out... from the users themselves.
 >
 >good point - I'm on the Sympa list, and was on the mailman list for a
 >while
 >
 >> This is what curtailed my interest in Mailman....
 >
 >me too, though it looks like its matured a bit since I looked last
 >
 >Thanks,
 >
 >MIles




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I wanted to follow up on this thread even though it is quite old.  I was re=
cently trying to do the same thing (get majordomo working with a postfix vi=
rtual domain setup that is stored completely in mysql) and only found parti=
al hints in all my archive searches.=20=20

Fortunately, between all the partial hints and this page: http://www.greatc=
ircle.com/majordomo/majordomo-faq.html#3.12 I was able to work it out so th=
at I essentially have a majordomo for each and every one of my virtual doma=
ins.  I have posted these same instructions (crudely for the time being) to=
 http://patiencehosting.net/email_how-to/majordomo.html

This is how I did it (RH7.3, majordomo-1.94.5... your paths may differ):=20


1. General setup


-- can't run piped commands unless from alias map stored in unix... too bad.
-- TRANSPORT TABLE:
--
insert into transport (domain, transport) values ('majordomo-domain1@domain=
1.com', 'local');
insert into transport (domain, transport) values ('majordomo-domain2@domain=
2.com', 'local');


-- VIRTUAL TABLE:
--
insert into virtual (address, goto) values ('majordomo-owner', 'you@yourdom=
ain.com');
insert into virtual (address, goto) values ('owner-majordomo', 'majordomo-o=
wner');
insert into virtual (address, goto) values ('majordomo@domain1.com', 'major=
domo-domain1@domain1.com');
insert into virtual (address, goto) values ('majordomo@domain2.com', 'major=
domo-domain2@domain2.com');


So what I did here was basically create a separate majordomo alias for each=
 domain so I will be able to tell them apart when we get to the aliases fil=
e.  Each of those aliases needs to be told to deliver locally, of course, t=
o even reach the aliases file we set up next:


Create a file called /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo and make it look like...

majordomo-domain1:   "|/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo -C /usr/bin/majo=
rdomo-1.94.5/majordomo.domain1.cf"
majordomo-domain2:     "|/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo -C /usr/bin/ma=
jordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.domain2.cf"


Create one config file for each virtual domain in /usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5=
/majordomo as such:
majordomo.domain1.cf
majordomo.domain2.cf


You'll want to edit each of these config files, changing the typical parame=
ters, the nice thing being that you can set $whereami to be match each doma=
in:

$whereami =3D "domain1.com";


Also, in my case, I needed to help majordomo find the right execution path =
-- inside of each and every one of these config files, make the following c=
hange:

old: # $homedir -- Where can I find my extra .pl files, like majordomo.pl?
     # the environment variable HOME is set by the wrapper
=20=20=20=20=20
     if ( defined $ENV{"HOME"}) {
          $homedir =3D $ENV{"HOME"};
     } else {
          $homedir =3D "/usr/bin/majordomo";
     }

new: # $homedir -- Where can I find my extra .pl files, like majordomo.pl?
     # the environment variable HOME is set by the wrapper
     #
     #if ( defined $ENV{"HOME"}) {
     #     $homedir =3D $ENV{"HOME"};
     #} else {
     #     $homedir =3D "/usr/bin/majordomo";
     #}
     $homedir =3D "/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5";


Finally, make sure permissions and ownership are correct - the goal is to h=
ave the majordomo user be the one who accesses and runs all these scripts. =
 In my case that user is called "majordomo.daemon" (yah, oops, this isn't n=
ecessary since I'm using Postifx, but I was too lazy to fix it, so you can =
probably just use "majordom"):

# i ran this as root and needed permission enough to run=20
# the postalias command on the aliases file, thus we give
# this file root ownership only temporarily
#
chown root:majordomo.daemon /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo
chmod 644 /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo
/usr/sbin/postalias /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo
# the asterisk at the end of this command is vital!...
chown majordomo.daemon:majordomo.daemon /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo*
chown -R majordomo.daemon:majordomo.daemon /usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/*
chmod -R 750 /usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/*
chmod 770 /usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists
chmod 660 /usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/*



2. Adding lists


Additions to /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo (we'll call the list to be adde=
d "sample"):

sample:                 "|/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/resend -l sample -C /us=
r/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.domain1.cf sample-list"
sample-list:            :include:/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/sample
### you'll laugh at what a majornewb I am to majordomo, but in my
### preliminary tests, I did't need this:
### sample-request:         "|/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/request-answer -C /=
usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.domain1.cf sample"


Then these need to be inserted into MySQL email database:

insert into transport (domain, transport) values ('sample@domain1.com', 'lo=
cal');

## NOTE that this next one has to match the actual=20
## domain of the machine you're working on!!
## (because there's no easy way to tell majordomo
## to go through "sample-list@domain1.com"...)
## Otherwise this will fail trying to find=20
## "sample-list@your.real.host", but this is all
## OK in the end because mail still goes out from=20
## your virtual domain!
##
insert into transport (domain, transport) values ('sample-list@your.rea.hos=
t', 'local');

insert into virtual (address, goto) values ('sample-approval', 'owner-sampl=
e');
insert into virtual (address, goto) values ('sample-owner', 'owner-sample');
insert into virtual (address, goto) values ('owner-sample', 'you@yourdomain=
.com');


Finally, you need to re-run postmap and make sure your permissions are all =
still OK:

chmod 660 /usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/*
chown root:majordomo.daemon /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo
chmod 644 /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo
/usr/sbin/postalias /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo
chown majordomo.daemon:majordomo.daemon /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo*
/usr/sbin/postfix reload


Notice that I am actually only running just one installation of majordomo f=
or all my domains, and thus a "lists" command to domain1.com turns up lists=
 for ALL of my virtual domains.  I believe you can also subscribe to domain=
2.com's lists thru majordomo@domain1.com (and I can't have a list for both =
domain1 and domain2 that have the exact same name).  But if you really care=
 (I don't), this would be a relatively easy fix -- just create a separate m=
ajordomo installation for each domain and everywhere you used the -C option=
 in /etc/postfix/aliases.majordomo you should set the path appropriately.  =
No big deal right?

Hope this helps someone out there...

Cheers!