Hello, guys,

Could anybody help me to resolve the following problem?= Any idea will be appreciated!

I am majordomo ad= min and=20 have a majordomo server (Sun Ultra 2), majordomo 1.94.4 and sendmail= =20 8.8.5 installed on it, it works fine for 2 years already after I setup it. The following is my setting bef= ore in=20 /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.

OA/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases

Now, for the security reason, I ha= ve to=20 upgrade sendmail from 8.8.5 to 8.12.8, I finished it already and added the = above=20 line in sendmail.cf also but majordomo could not work as normal. The follow= ing=20 is error message when I try to send mail to majordomo list but it can send email to normal user=20 successfully.

Mar 5 11:55:44 zchps01 sendmail[764]= :=20 h253tip9000764: SYSERR(root): dbm map "Alias0": unsafe map=20 file
/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: No such file or= =20 directory

Here is the output when I try to send ou= t=20 majordomo list.

# /usr/lib/sendmail = -v=20 -bi
WARNING: World writable directory /var/spool/mqueue
/etc/mail/ali= ases:=20 9 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 294 bytes total
WARNING: Group writable=20 directory /usr/majordomo
WARNING: Group writable directory=20 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4
newaliases: cannot= open=20 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: Executable files not=20 allowed

# /usr/lib/sendmail = -v=20 test
.
test... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay...
220=20 majordomo.motor.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:46:36 = +0800=20 (CST)
>>> EHLO majordomo.motor.com
250-majordomo.motor.com H= ello=20 localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet=20 you
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-PIPELINING
250-EXPN
250-VERB250-8BITMIME
250-SIZE
250-DSN
250-ETRN
250-DELIVERBY
250=20 HELP
>>> MAIL From:<root@majordomo.motor.com>= ;
250=20 2.1.0 <root@majordomo.motor.com>= ;... Sender=20 ok
>>> RCPT To:<test@majordomo.motor.com>
>>> DATA
250 2.1.5 <test@majordomo.motor.com>...=20 Recipient ok (will queue)
354=20 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
>>> .
250 2.0.0= =20 h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery
test... Sent (h256ka8v00249= 2=20 Message accepted for delivery)
Closing connection to=20 [127.0.0.1]
>>> QUIT
221 2.0.0 majordomo.motor.com closing= =20 connection

#=20 mailq
           =     =20 /var/spool/mqueue (1 request)
-----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time-----= =20 ------------Sender/Recipient-----------
h256ka8v002492   =     =20 0 Wed Mar 5 14:46 <root@majordomo.motor.com>
         &nbs= p;      =20 (dbm map "Alias1": unsafe map file=20 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1)
       &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;       =20 <test@majordomo.motor.com>
         &nbs= p;     =20 Total requests: 1

Kind Regards
Jervy Chen

* Fear can hold you prisoner *
* = Hope=20 can set you free *=20

------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E2EB.E4148B3E-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 5 00:51:03 2003 Received: from rbadb2.rbacpxclu.bas.roche.com (unknown [196.3.50.241]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8C5195ABA for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.Roche.COM by Roche.COM (PMDF V6.0-025 #47170) id <01KT5T6Q0MSG98OGG4@Roche.COM> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 09:49:08 +0100 Received: from rbamsemcn1.emea.roche.com (rbamsemcn1.emea.roche.com [145.245.211.139]) by Roche.COM (PMDF V6.0-025 #47170) with ESMTP id <01KT5T5OAS7C99PXU9@Roche.COM> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 09:47:59 +0100 Received: from rkamsemcn1.emea.roche.com ([145.245.247.234]) by rbamsemcn1.emea.roche.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 09:47:56 +0100 Received: from rkamsem1.emea.roche.com ([145.245.247.233]) by rkamsemcn1.emea.roche.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 09:44:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 09:44:07 +0100 From: "Cencigh, Maurizio {PGID~Kaiseraugst}" Subject: Re: Error Msg sending newsletter To: Gary Thandi , Daniel Liston Cc: majordomo-users Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6334.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thread-Topic: Error Msg sending newsletter Thread-Index: AcLin6pcIFIb6P+fQmqRp2gClL7pSAAUq0qw content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2003 08:44:11.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[64AB8D90:01C2E2F3] X-Archive-Number: 200303/20 X-Sequence-Number: 2891 I tried everything !! The permissions were as they should be. I entered majord in the trusted-users file, also in sendmail.cf submit.cf and main.cf below TrustedUsers. The command to check permissions worked fine and gave only "ok" back. As I get back mails from majord which I send using info commands (lists, who) I don't think it is a env problem.=20 But what the hell can it be then? Here the complete error-msg: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: test newsletter Sent: 05.03.2003 09:36 The following recipient(s) could not be reached: listname-list@host.domain.com on 05.03.2003 09:34 Unable to expand a distribution list to deliver the message to its members. Try again or contact your system administrator. < host.domain.com #5.2.4> Any help is apreciated a lot. Thanks to all who replied and will reply helping me out. Maurizio -----Original Message----- From: Gary Thandi [mailto:Gary.Thandi@360.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:42 PM To: 'Daniel Liston'; Cencigh, Maurizio {PGID~Kaiseraugst} Cc: majordomo-users Subject: RE: Error Msg sending newsletter You can specify that majordomo is a trusted-user in one of two ways. 1. Add the user name to your trusted-users file, make sure sendmail.cf has the following line uncommented. Ft/etc/mail/trusted-users 2. Add the entry "Tmajordomo" to sendmail.cf (Don't forget to stop and start sendmail) Troot Tmajordomo - Permissions (if you are using smmsp) Permissions Owner Group File/Directory -rwxr-sr-x root smmsp /usr/lib/sendmail drwxr-x--- root staff /var/spool/mqueue drwxrwx--- smmsp smmsp /var/spool/clientmqueue -rw-r--r-- root other /etc/mail/sendmail.cf - Other mail file permissions chmod go-w / /etc /etc/mail /usr /var /var/spool /var/spool/mqueue chown root / /etc /etc/mail /usr /var /var/spool /var/spool/mqueue - This command is kind of cool to report back permissions stuff /usr/lib/sendmail -bi -d44.4 Keep in mind that my config is 8.12.6. Gary. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:00 AM To: Cencigh, Maurizio {PGID~Kaiseraugst} Cc: majordomo-users Subject: Re: Error Msg sending newsletter I am not certain if this is the same for solaris or linux using the same version of sendmail 8.11.6, but the "trusted" majord user has to be added to the submit.cf file as well as the sendmail.cf. Dan Liston Cencigh, Maurizio {PGID~Kaiseraugst} wrote: > I don't think the problem concers uid and gid. I installed a fresh=20 > version of majordomo on the new machine. Compiling the wrapper and=20 > everything on the new machine with the uid and gid I gave. The ONLY=20 > thing I copied from the old machine is the content of the lists=20 > directory and then chown the listname, listname.conf, listname.poster. >=20 > I tried the sendmail commands. When I run as root: > sendmail -bv listname, gives as output the entry after listname of the > aliases file. sendmail -bv listname-outgoing, tells me user unknown.=20 > I think this may be the problem. >=20 > as the majord user I get: > sendmail -bv listname, tells about misleading output for=20 > non-privileged user and says can not chdir (/var/spool/mqueue):=20 > Permission denied. Program mode requires special privilege, eg. root=20 > or TrustedUser. I tried to change the TrustedUser in sendmail.cf, and=20 > set it to majord and restarted sendmail. Same error msg. as usual.=20 > sendmail -bv listname-outgoing, gives the same. >=20 > Can you tell me more about? I think or the user unknown is the problem > or non-privilege thing on /var/spool/mqueue. What permissions are=20 > needed on /var/spool/mqueue. Or which TrustedUser should I configure=20 > in sendmail.cf? >=20 > Thanks a lot. > I feel getting near to the solution... >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:51 PM > To: Cencigh, Maurizio {PGID~Kaiseraugst} > Cc: majordomo-users > Subject: Re: Error Msg sending newsletter >=20 >=20 > Please do these comparisons to validate uid:gid are the same between=20 > the old and the new systems. On each machine, run as root; >=20 > grep majordom /etc/passwd >=20 > majordom:*:54:1:Majordomo List Mgr:/var/majordomo:/usr/local/bin/bash > majordom:*:1007:1007:Majordomo Server:/home/majordom:/bin/false=20 > majordomo:x:91:91:Majordomo List Manager:/usr/lib/majordomo:/bin/bash >=20 > As you can see, I have three machines running majordomo, but none of=20 > them have the same uid or gid. For that matter, none of them even=20 > have the same home directory. There is no way I could just copy these > instances between machines, I would have to recompile the wrapper for=20 > each system, not to mention chown'ing files and directories. >=20 > Your majordomo address/alias is working, or you would not get replies=20 > to the lists and who commands. Have you tried using sendmail to=20 > verify your list or list-outgoing addresses? >=20 > sendmail -bv listname > sendmail -bv listname-outgoing >=20 > Try these commands as both the root and the majordomo user. >=20 > Dan Liston >=20 > Cencigh, Maurizio {PGID~Kaiseraugst} wrote: >=20 >>Hi once again, >> >>I tried with the faq article you send me. I changed sendmail.cf to >>DontBlameSendmail=3Dsafe. The group is the same since installation. I=20 >>still get the same error msg. any more hints? I'm desperate seeking=20 >>the solution..... >> >>Thanks. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] >>Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:34 PM >>To: Cencigh, Maurizio {PGID~Kaiseraugst}; majordomo-users >>Subject: Re: Error Msg sending newsletter >> >> >> >>I kind of have an aversion to using daemon for the majordomo group. >>Please notice sendmail's FAQ on the majordomo subject: >> >>http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.32 >> >>If you did change the group without recompiling majordomo's wrapper >>you could get error messages in the log, but another possibility is=20 >>the version of sendmail you upgraded to (as a side effect of the newer >=20 >=20 >>OS) might utilize a submit.cf similar to the sendmail.cf. If this is >>the case, make sure you have a "trust" statement for the majordomo=20 >>user in that file too. >> >>Dan Liston >> >> >> >>>Hi again, >>> >>>the old server was: Solaris 2.6 with Sendmail 8.8.8 running on E450 >>>the new server is: Solaris 8 with Sendmail 8.11.6 running on V480 >>>Majordomo 1.94.5 >>> >>>I only copied the lists. The lists directory was created by the=20 >>>majordomo installation. Then changed owner on the lists and=20 >>>list.config files. Uid still the same, but other group. Now I'm using >>>group daemon before majord had an own group. In the Log file this=20 >>>error isn't logged. I don't understand the linking and the smrsh=20 >>>thing. And the group writable issue shouldn't be bothering as group=20 >>>has no write permission the hole path down to majordomo. >>> >>>Thank for help. >>>Maurizio >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] >>>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 7:08 PM >>>To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >>>Subject: Re: Error Msg sending newsletter >>> >>> >>>You also need to check down to /usr/local/majordomo/lists actually.=20 >>>NO, Definately do NOT change any permissions to group writable if you >>>want to keep sendmail happy. >>> >>>You have not mentioned your hardware, operating system, or versions=20 >>>of >> >> >>>sendmail or majordomo. If you just "copied" majordomo from one=20 >>>server >> >> >>>to the other, did you make SURE that you used the same UID and GID on >>>both machines? I mean the number, not the name. Wrapper is dependent >>>on this. If sendmail is new on one machine than the other, you may=20 >>>also need to add a link to wrapper in the proper smrsh directory. >>>Perhaps a cut and paste of the exact error message from the log file=20 >>>would be helpful here too. >>> >>>Dan Liston >>> >>>Cencigh, Maurizio {PGID~Kaiseraugst} wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I checked permissions on my subscriber files, but still get the >>>>error. >>> >>> >>>>The directory structure down to majordomo is not group writable. I=20 >>>>installed with daemon as group, but majord is not member of it. any=20 >>>>other hints? must the dir structure be group writable? I'm SysAdmin=20 >>>>but I don't know Sendmail and its behaviors...... any help is=20 >>>>apreciated a lot. >>>> >>>>Maurizio >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] >>>>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:50 PM >>>>To: Cencigh, Maurizio {PGID~Kaiseraugst}; >>>>majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >>>>Subject: Re: Error Msg sending newsletter >>>> >>>> >>>>Check the ownership/permission on your new majordomo installation.=20 >>>>If you are running sendmail on the new server, it might now allow=20 >>>>group or world "writable" permission down the path to majordomo's >>> > directory. >=20 >>> >>>>For example, /, /usr, /usr/local, /usr/local/majordomo. Sendmail=20 >>>>will also complain about group or world writable :include: files in=20 >>>>your lists directory. These are your list membership or zubscriber=20 >>>>files. >>>> >>>>Dan Liston >>>> >>>>Cencigh, Maurizio {PGID~Kaiseraugst} wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>hi all, >>>>> >>>>>I'm migrating a Server, so I installed a new Majordomo on the new >>>>>server. I copied the old lists and aliases. When I send a mail to=20 >>>>>majordomo like who listname or lists, I get back an answer. When I >>>> >>try >> >> >>>>>to send a newsletter to a list I get the error message below. >>>>>Anybody an idea? Please help. My majordomo isn't working right now. >>>>> >>>>>Unable to expand a distribution list to deliver the message to its >>>>>members. Try again or contact your system administrator. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks in advance. >>>>>Maurizio >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >=20 >=20 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 5 10:33:14 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31800195AEE for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h25Ia0Et014475; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:36:00 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6642E7.3090709@sonny.org> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:33:11 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 Cc: "'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 References: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C69@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/21 X-Sequence-Number: 2892 Hi, Several points here, 1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) 2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf 3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail 4. Restart sendmail Dan Liston Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > Hello, guys, > > Could anybody help me to resolve the following problem? Any idea will be > appreciated! > > I am majordomo admin and have a majordomo server (Sun Ultra 2), > majordomo 1.94.4 and sendmail 8.8.5 installed on it, it works fine for 2 > years already after I setup it. The following is my setting before in > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf. > > OA/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases > > Now, for the security reason, I have to upgrade sendmail from 8.8.5 to > 8.12.8, I finished it already and added the above line in sendmail.cf > also but majordomo could not work as normal. The following is error > message when I try to send mail to majordomo list but it can send email > to normal user successfully. > > Mar 5 11:55:44 zchps01 sendmail[764]: h253tip9000764: SYSERR(root): dbm > map "Alias0": unsafe map file > /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: No such file or directory > > Here is the output when I try to send out majordomo list. > > # /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bi > WARNING: World writable directory /var/spool/mqueue > /etc/mail/aliases: 9 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 294 bytes total > WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo > WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 > newaliases: cannot open > /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: Executable files not > allowed > > # /usr/lib/sendmail -v test > . > test... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay... > 220 majordomo.motor.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 > 14:46:36 +0800 (CST) > >>> EHLO majordomo.motor.com > 250-majordomo.motor.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > 250-PIPELINING > 250-EXPN > 250-VERB > 250-8BITMIME > 250-SIZE > 250-DSN > 250-ETRN > 250-DELIVERBY > 250 HELP > >>> MAIL From:> > 250 2.1.0 >... Sender ok > >>> RCPT To:> > >>> DATA > 250 2.1.5 >... Recipient ok (will queue) > 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself > >>> . > 250 2.0.0 h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery > test... Sent (h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery) > Closing connection to [127.0.0.1] > >>> QUIT > 221 2.0.0 majordomo.motor.com closing connection > > # mailq > /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) > -----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- > ------------Sender/Recipient----------- > h256ka8v002492 0 Wed Mar 5 14:46 > > (dbm map "Alias1": unsafe map file > /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1) > > > Total requests: 1 > > > > > Kind Regards > Jervy Chen > * Fear can hold you prisoner * > * Hope can set you free * From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 5 13:18:40 2003 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EC8195F1F for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18qgHe-0007cC-0A; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:18:38 +0100 Received: from t-online.de (320087908768-0001@[217.238.61.121]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18qgHY-0UtWgiC; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:18:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3E6669A9.1080306@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:18:33 +0100 From: Manfred.Riese@t-online.de (Manfred Riese) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; de-AT; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: de, de-at, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MDOMO-Users Mailingliste Subject: how to cascade mailing lists? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320087908768-0001@t-dialin.net X-Archive-Number: 200303/22 X-Sequence-Number: 2893 Hi all, we have about 30 different mailing lists at our homepage (own webserver), which all contain several discussionboards about, let's say cars. One about chrysler voyager, another about peugeot 307, etc. Every list is unmoderated, we had no need until now. But there is one discussionboard about the homepage itself, which should be distributed to every mailing list (every car). My first idea was just putting the name of the "car-lists" (list1, list2, list3) into the "homepagelist", but this doesn't work. I tried several ways, but none was sucessful, but that one in the aliases-file: homepagelist: :include:/path/to/lists-dir/list1, :include:/path/to/lists-dir/list2, etc. But i think, this isn't the luckiest way to do this, particularly when the number of lists is still growing. Does anyone know the ingeniously way ? best regards manfred From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 5 14:20:44 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDAD195A19 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h25MNXEt015448; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:23:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3E66783A.6010107@sonny.org> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:20:42 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manfred Riese Cc: MDOMO-Users Mailingliste Subject: Re: how to cascade mailing lists? References: <3E6669A9.1080306@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/23 X-Sequence-Number: 2894 As long as the people signing up for just a cars list are aware that your site is going to also send them email by virtue of joining any specific list... As a comparison, the majordomo-announce list does not automatically include me in announcements just because I belong to the majordomo-users list. What you are aiming to do is the first thing that would get me to rethink my membership in any of your lists. With that out of the way; Every list has a resend address and an include alias. Create a separate list, maybe homepage-announce, that is a moderated, post only list. If none of your other lists are archived or digested, just add the include alias for each list in the membership file of the homepage-annouce list. Do some experimenting with this idea before you put it into production. It may expose your :include: addresses to the recipients. If that is the case, use the resend address in the homepage-announce file instead, (strip -outgoing). The downside to this, could be a VERY heavy hit to your server all at once when it comes to delivering/resending all the messages. /etc/aliases homepage-announce: "|/path-to/majordomo/wrapper resend -l hompage-announce homepage-announce-outgoing,nobody" homepage-announce-outgoing: :include:/path-to/majordomo/lists/homepage-announce /path-to/majordomo/lists/homepage-announce carlist1-outgoing@mydomain.com carlist2-outgoing@mydomain.com carlist3-outgoing@mydomain.com . . . carlist30-outgoing@mydomain.com Dan Liston Manfred Riese wrote: > Hi all, > > we have about 30 different mailing lists at our homepage (own > webserver), which all contain several discussionboards about, let's say > cars. One about chrysler voyager, another about peugeot 307, etc. Every > list is unmoderated, we had no need until now. > > But there is one discussionboard about the homepage itself, which should > be distributed to every mailing list (every car). > My first idea was just putting the name of the "car-lists" (list1, > list2, list3) into the "homepagelist", but this doesn't work. > I tried several ways, but none was sucessful, but that one in the > aliases-file: > > homepagelist: :include:/path/to/lists-dir/list1, > :include:/path/to/lists-dir/list2, etc. > > But i think, this isn't the luckiest way to do this, particularly when > the number of lists is still growing. > Does anyone know the ingeniously way ? > > best regards > > manfred From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 5 22:08:51 2003 Received: from trip.mrball.net (66-214-180-43.la-cbi.charterpipeline.net [66.214.180.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99671195AB6 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by trip.mrball.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 35B792C066; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:08:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:08:50 -0800 From: Todd Lyons To: "'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 Message-ID: <20030306060850.GO7208@mrball.net> Mail-Followup-To: "'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'" References: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C69@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C69@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> Organization: Progressive Linux Consultants X-mailer-flag: Outlook? Viral infections & bugs non-stop! Use another mailer if you value your data. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Archive-Number: 200303/24 X-Sequence-Number: 2895 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chen Jervy-qch1408 wanted us to know: ># /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bi >WARNING: World writable directory /var/spool/mqueue >/etc/mail/aliases: 9 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 294 bytes total >WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo >WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >newaliases: cannot open /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: Executable files not allowed Sendmail changed their allowable permissions so that you *MUST* remove the group and world write bits from every directory up to the file it's trying to read: /usr /usr/majordomo /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases - -- Blue skies... Todd Proprietary Software Licenses: Duping a person into making a vow of ignorance and then selling them the fruits of knowledge is like making them believe they benefit from having their head held under water while someone sells them oxygen. Linux kernel 2.4.19-16mdk 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE+ZuXyIBT1264ScBURAkmWAJ9smd0S1aky/iXNorh3ADkgA2nH8ACbB4qe zo2hfOncONcPggwrcKx5ISg= =Ltgr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 5 23:05:06 2003 Received: from mail1.hku.hk (ccnfs4.hku.hk [147.8.2.98]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816C7195F3F for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from win98pc (pc1.cc.hku.hk [147.8.96.86]) by mail1.hku.hk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h2674oQR017868 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:04:52 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <031101c2e3ae$a6769880$56600893@hku.hk> From: "kenneth" To: "'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'" References: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C69@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> <20030306060850.GO7208@mrball.net> Subject: List protection using virtusertable not working in sendmail 8.12.8 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:04:35 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MailScanner: 0 X-Archive-Number: 200303/25 X-Sequence-Number: 2896 Hi After upgrading our sendmail from 8.11.x to 8.12.8, we found that the protection that we used to protect moderated list with virtusertable is not working anymore. It simply bounced all emails to a list with the error: (reason: 553 5.3.0 list-outgoing@xxxxx... User does not exist) even if the mail is sent to list@xxxxx. We are forced to remove the list protection from the virtusertable in order to make the list work again. Does anyone catch similar problem? We are using majordomo 1.94.4. Thanks in advance. Regards, Kenneth From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 5 23:55:01 2003 Received: from planet.fef.com (unknown [166.90.172.7]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02955195A2D for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from planet.fef.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by planet.fef.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/check_local-5) with ESMTP id h267snim021662; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:54:50 -0800 Received: (from alvin@localhost) by planet.fef.com (8.12.8/8.12.4/Submit) id h267sne7021661; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:54:49 -0800 From: Alvin Oga Message-Id: <200303060754.h267sne7021661@planet.fef.com> Subject: Re: List protection using virtusertable not working in sendmail 8.12.8 To: kkyyip@hkusua.hku.hk (kenneth) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:54:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <031101c2e3ae$a6769880$56600893@hku.hk> from "kenneth" at Mar 06, 2003 03:04:35 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/26 X-Sequence-Number: 2897 hi ya kenneth yup.. we changed one of our boxes from 8.9.x and had some problems to deal with -- owner and group ids for smmsp -- directory permissions try theses hints to get things working that used to work http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/Sendmail-Install-HOWTO/permissions.txt also check that /etc/mail/*files* is correct too http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/etc.mail/ specifically local-host-names - dont know about your majord alias definitions ... files might have moved around ??? ( /etc/aliases vs /etc/mail/aliases ... ) ( sendmail.* etc .. - removing virtusertable does NOT make sense... - we had to add it to get 8.12.8 working right :-) ( needed to at least have its own domain listed ) have fun alvin > kenneth wrote: > > Hi > > After upgrading our sendmail from 8.11.x to 8.12.8, we found that > the protection that we used to protect moderated list with > virtusertable is not working anymore. It simply bounced all > emails to a list with the error: > (reason: 553 5.3.0 list-outgoing@xxxxx... User does not exist) > even if the mail is sent to list@xxxxx. > > We are forced to remove the list protection from the virtusertable > in order to make the list work again. > > Does anyone catch similar problem? We are using majordomo 1.94.4. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > Kenneth > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 6 00:58:24 2003 Received: from etzion.org.il (linux.hertzog.macam98.ac.il [192.114.207.34]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A04A196020 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:58:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from etzion.org.il (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by etzion.org.il (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) with ESMTP id h268sqsc016313; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:54:53 +0200 Received: (from ebick@localhost) by etzion.org.il (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-7) id h268sNht016308; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:54:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:54:23 +0200 (IST) From: Ezra Bick To: Daniel Liston Cc: Manfred Riese , MDOMO-Users Mailingliste Subject: Re: how to cascade mailing lists? In-Reply-To: <3E66783A.6010107@sonny.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200303/27 X-Sequence-Number: 2898 The problem with cascading the lists is that if you have subscribers to more than one list, they will receive multiple copies of the "announce" mailing. On our server, we have a perl script that reads all our lists, appends them, takes out the multiple listings and creates a new file which is the subscribers file of the announce-list. On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Daniel Liston wrote: > As long as the people signing up for just a cars list are aware that > your site is going to also send them email by virtue of joining any > specific list... As a comparison, the majordomo-announce list does > not automatically include me in announcements just because I belong > to the majordomo-users list. > > What you are aiming to do is the first thing that would get me to > rethink my membership in any of your lists. With that out of the > way; > > Every list has a resend address and an include alias. Create a > separate list, maybe homepage-announce, that is a moderated, post > only list. If none of your other lists are archived or digested, > just add the include alias for each list in the membership file > of the homepage-annouce list. Do some experimenting with this > idea before you put it into production. It may expose your :include: > addresses to the recipients. If that is the case, use the resend > address in the homepage-announce file instead, (strip -outgoing). > The downside to this, could be a VERY heavy hit to your server all > at once when it comes to delivering/resending all the messages. > > /etc/aliases > homepage-announce: "|/path-to/majordomo/wrapper resend -l hompage-announce homepage-announce-outgoing,nobody" > homepage-announce-outgoing: :include:/path-to/majordomo/lists/homepage-announce > > /path-to/majordomo/lists/homepage-announce > carlist1-outgoing@mydomain.com > carlist2-outgoing@mydomain.com > carlist3-outgoing@mydomain.com > . > . > . > carlist30-outgoing@mydomain.com > > Dan Liston > > Manfred Riese wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > we have about 30 different mailing lists at our homepage (own > > webserver), which all contain several discussionboards about, let's say > > cars. One about chrysler voyager, another about peugeot 307, etc. Every > > list is unmoderated, we had no need until now. > > > > But there is one discussionboard about the homepage itself, which should > > be distributed to every mailing list (every car). > > My first idea was just putting the name of the "car-lists" (list1, > > list2, list3) into the "homepagelist", but this doesn't work. > > I tried several ways, but none was sucessful, but that one in the > > aliases-file: > > > > homepagelist: :include:/path/to/lists-dir/list1, > > :include:/path/to/lists-dir/list2, etc. > > > > But i think, this isn't the luckiest way to do this, particularly when > > the number of lists is still growing. > > Does anyone know the ingeniously way ? > > > > best regards > > > > manfred > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 6 11:32:20 2003 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD601966FE for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18r13U-0008Eq-03; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 20:29:24 +0100 Received: from t-online.de (320087908768-0001@[217.229.136.123]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18r13D-050jGSC; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:29:07 +0100 Message-ID: <3E67A185.608@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 20:29:09 +0100 From: Manfred.Riese@t-online.de (Manfred Riese) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; de-AT; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: de, de-at, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MDOMO-Users Mailingliste Subject: Re: how to cascade mailing lists? References: <3E6669A9.1080306@t-online.de> <3E66783A.6010107@sonny.org> In-Reply-To: <3E66783A.6010107@sonny.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320087908768-0001@t-dialin.net X-Archive-Number: 200303/28 X-Sequence-Number: 2899 Hi all, first of all, thanks for the solution of my problem. I think, i forget to mention 2 points: 1. Everyone who subscribes our lists, knows that the messages of the homepageforum will be distributed through all lists. This was before we had our own server, and I think, this makes sense for i.e. announcing changes at the homepage. 2. In the last days the number of wrong placed messages in the discussionforums grew enormously. therefor we decided two things: First, we made another group for cars, we don't discuss at the moment; Secound, we want to change the homepageforum to moderated. But how to manage moderated messages in a unmoderated mailinglist? So I had the idea of cascading mailing lists: one moderated into the other unmnoderated. I think, Daniel guessed it, and included in his solution the moderated homepagelist. Thanks again for helping so quickly, Manfred From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 6 13:16:21 2003 Received: from delivery.infowest.com (delivery.infowest.com [204.17.177.5]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E2C1959F3 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from infowest.com (slc-ppp-208-187-113-130.infowest.net [208.187.113.130]) by delivery.infowest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C06E4364E for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:16:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E67B9DB.3060303@infowest.com> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 14:12:59 -0700 From: Lorin Lund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: I am interested in numbers - facility requirements for high volume list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/29 X-Sequence-Number: 2900 Does anyone have experience they can share regarding high volume lists? Bandwidth limitations? CPU speed limitations? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 6 15:18:58 2003 Received: from smtp.idi.net (smtp.idi.net [209.70.84.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6B1195A5C for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:18:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from pbender (unknown [209.70.84.47]) by smtp.idi.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EDCAF56203 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:18:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00bf01c2e436$bfc01a40$2f5446d1@idi.net> From: "Philip Bender" To: Subject: Encryption Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:18:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C2E40C.D6B7B7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Archive-Number: 200303/30 X-Sequence-Number: 2901 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C2E40C.D6B7B7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What, if any, methods exist for encrypting messages distributed by majordom= o? ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C2E40C.D6B7B7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What, if any, methods exist for encrypting= messages=20 distributed by majordomo?

------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C2E40C.D6B7B7A0-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 6 20:58:17 2003 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F672195A0E for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-66-167-135-14.phndaz91.covad.net ([66.167.135.14] helo=Vaio.earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18r9vz-0003aN-00 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 20:58:15 -0800 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306215103.00b89ca0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: bobbish@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 21:58:15 -0700 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Bob Bish Subject: No subject Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200303/31 X-Sequence-Number: 2902 If the sender of a message does not include a subject line (leaves it blank), is there a way to get majordomo to add one or, at least, to add the subject prefix? Many members sort out list mail using the subject prefix, but apparently majordomo doesn't add the prefix if there is no subject. Using version 1.94.5 ...Bob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 6 21:06:35 2003 Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail15.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.215]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD5C195A0E for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7463 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 05:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO att.net) (w6go@[66.93.44.143]) (envelope-sender ) by mail15.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Mar 2003 05:06:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3E6828D8.2030505@att.net> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 21:06:32 -0800 From: Jay O'Brien User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Bish Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: No subject References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306215103.00b89ca0@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/32 X-Sequence-Number: 2903 Bob, You need the resend.1 patch. See ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/ Jay O'Brien Bob Bish wrote: > If the sender of a message does not include a subject line (leaves it > blank), is there a way to get majordomo to add one or, at least, to add the > subject prefix? Many members sort out list mail using the subject prefix, > but apparently majordomo doesn't add the prefix if there is no > subject. Using version 1.94.5 > > ...Bob > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 6 21:18:51 2003 Received: from trip.mrball.net (66-214-180-43.la-cbi.charterpipeline.net [66.214.180.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7599119685F for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by trip.mrball.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id C14872C0B3; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:18:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:18:48 -0800 From: Todd Lyons To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: I am interested in numbers - facility requirements for high volume list Message-ID: <20030307051848.GF31821@mrball.net> Mail-Followup-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com References: <3E67B9DB.3060303@infowest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E67B9DB.3060303@infowest.com> Organization: Progressive Linux Consultants X-mailer-flag: Outlook? Viral infections & bugs non-stop! Use another mailer if you value your data. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Archive-Number: 200303/33 X-Sequence-Number: 2904 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lorin Lund wanted us to know: >Does anyone have experience they can share regarding high volume lists? >Bandwidth limitations? CPU speed limitations? I'm not familiar with any high volume lists that use majordomo, but I do know that the Linux Kernel Mailing List uses majordomo. I am familiar with the Mandrake mailing lists and they run across a couple of machines that are using postfix and sympa (postfix is spread across multiple queues). They are dual PIII 650 machines with 512 Megs of RAM. There are about 15 mailing lists. The three main ones seem to have about 5000 users each. A _LOT_ of mail goes through those machines and they're not hurting too badly. Personally, I administer a couple of machines. One with majordomo/sendmail (about 30 messages a day, 226 users) runs under essentially no load all day long. We also use bulk_mailer to break up the outbound mails (opting not to use the built in stuff to sendmail). It's a Pentium 200 with 64 Megs of RAM running RedHat 7.2 IIRC. A second one with mailman/postfix (about 5 messages a day, 125 users) runs with essentially no load as well. Personally I prefer postfix over sendmail and don't have a problem with running either majordomo or mailman as long as it's on postfix. It's a vm run at a professional colo company (http://www.johncompanies.com) and it's a dual P4 with 2 Gigs of RAM (but multiple vm's on one physical box). - -- Blue skies... Todd Public key: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc I think we in the open source movement are the invisible hand of the market, baby, or its middle finger, anyway." --Eric S. Raymond Linux kernel 2.4.19-24mdk load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE+aCu4IBT1264ScBURAgQCAJ4mUFAQdMxhH1edwUJ9Srn0oRh58QCePDeN CXQ2ncHFvkdV2B2P4SqxteY= =0ev6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 6 21:25:37 2003 Received: from trip.mrball.net (66-214-180-43.la-cbi.charterpipeline.net [66.214.180.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A37195A29 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by trip.mrball.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 164A42C0B3; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:25:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:25:34 -0800 From: Todd Lyons To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Encryption Message-ID: <20030307052534.GG31821@mrball.net> Mail-Followup-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com References: <00bf01c2e436$bfc01a40$2f5446d1@idi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00bf01c2e436$bfc01a40$2f5446d1@idi.net> Organization: Progressive Linux Consultants X-mailer-flag: Outlook? Viral infections & bugs non-stop! Use another mailer if you value your data. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Archive-Number: 200303/34 X-Sequence-Number: 2905 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Philip Bender wanted us to know: > What, if any, methods exist for encrypting messages distributed by > majordomo? None. That's done at the originating end by the user. I have _heard_ of places that generate a key specifically for a list and piping the inbound messages through gpg --encrypt, but I don't know any specifics. Blue skies... Todd - -- A: No Q: Should I quote at the end of the message? Linux kernel 2.4.19-24mdk load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE+aC1OIBT1264ScBURAoH6AJ9I6zB9bvmg3CvpEYa/mbGLq0Mr1ACgxFGy oLYJH/JNY8o4joIAZtKc9h0= =iksG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 6 21:39:18 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1801968D6 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h275glEt024035; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:42:47 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6830DB.8030702@sonny.org> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 23:40:43 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Bender Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Encryption References: <00bf01c2e436$bfc01a40$2f5446d1@idi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/35 X-Sequence-Number: 2906 Think of majordomo as a phone company. It will make your connections for you, but will not do anything with them in the process. Scrambling and descrambing of communications is the responsibility of the sender and the receiver. The phone company neither sends nor receives, it only connects the sender to the receiver. Dan Liston Philip Bender wrote: > What, if any, methods exist for encrypting messages distributed by > majordomo? > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 6 22:44:19 2003 Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21481195AF7 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-66-167-135-14.phndaz91.covad.net ([66.167.135.14] helo=Vaio.earthlink.net) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18rBaR-0000Cr-00 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 22:44:07 -0800 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306234243.00bb4dd0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: bobbish@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 23:44:10 -0700 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Bob Bish Subject: Re: No subject In-Reply-To: <3E6828D8.2030505@att.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306215103.00b89ca0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200303/36 X-Sequence-Number: 2907 Is there anything I could put in taboo_headers that would reject a message with a blank subject header? ...Bob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 01:08:13 2003 Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438B21959D7 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobox3.mot.com (pobox3.mot.com [10.64.251.242]) by motgate2.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate2) with ESMTP id h27991EL012804 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: [from zch07exm05.corp.mot.com (ZCH07EXM05.corp.mot.com [200.3.1.211]) by pobox3.mot.com (MOT-pobox3 2.0) with ESMTP id CAA14547 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:06:14 -0700 (MST)] Received: by ZCH07EXM05.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:08:06 +0800 Message-ID: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C76@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> From: Chen Jervy-qch1408 To: "'Daniel Liston'" Cc: "'Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:08:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Archive-Number: 200303/37 X-Sequence-Number: 2908 Dan, Thanks for your help, the following is answer, please try to give me more point form you. 1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) This is my deadline to follow it. 2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 I use 8.12.8 sendmail.cf 3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf I tried it but failed 3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail It could not work anymore. 4. Restart sendmail Now, I resolved some problems, I used "majordomo" account to replace "smmsp" in sendmail, so aliases can work as normal. But web interface (majorcool) could not work for all features, it always displayed permission error as the following messages in IE. : ABORT shlock: '/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4' is not writable by UID 60001 GID 60001 Recipient names must be specified #ls -ld /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 drwxr-xr-x 13 majordomomajordomo 2048 Mar 5 21:06 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 60001 is "nobody" account & group, it seems that sendmail audit more strictly. Kind Regards Jervy Chen * Fear can hold you prisoner * * Hope can set you free * -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:33 AM To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 Hi, Several points here, 1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) 2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf 3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail 4. Restart sendmail Dan Liston Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > Hello, guys, > > Could anybody help me to resolve the following problem? Any idea will be > appreciated! > > I am majordomo admin and have a majordomo server (Sun Ultra 2), > majordomo 1.94.4 and sendmail 8.8.5 installed on it, it works fine for 2 > years already after I setup it. The following is my setting before in > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf. > > OA/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases > > Now, for the security reason, I have to upgrade sendmail from 8.8.5 to > 8.12.8, I finished it already and added the above line in sendmail.cf > also but majordomo could not work as normal. The following is error > message when I try to send mail to majordomo list but it can send email > to normal user successfully. > > Mar 5 11:55:44 zchps01 sendmail[764]: h253tip9000764: SYSERR(root): dbm > map "Alias0": unsafe map file > /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: No such file or directory > > Here is the output when I try to send out majordomo list. > > # /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bi > WARNING: World writable directory /var/spool/mqueue > /etc/mail/aliases: 9 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 294 bytes total > WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo > WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 > newaliases: cannot open > /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: Executable files not > allowed > > # /usr/lib/sendmail -v test > . > test... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay... > 220 majordomo.motor.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 > 14:46:36 +0800 (CST) > >>> EHLO majordomo.motor.com > 250-majordomo.motor.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > 250-PIPELINING > 250-EXPN > 250-VERB > 250-8BITMIME > 250-SIZE > 250-DSN > 250-ETRN > 250-DELIVERBY > 250 HELP > >>> MAIL From:> > 250 2.1.0 >... Sender ok > >>> RCPT To:> > >>> DATA > 250 2.1.5 >... Recipient ok (will queue) > 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself > >>> . > 250 2.0.0 h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery > test... Sent (h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery) > Closing connection to [127.0.0.1] > >>> QUIT > 221 2.0.0 majordomo.motor.com closing connection > > # mailq > /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) > -----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- > ------------Sender/Recipient----------- > h256ka8v002492 0 Wed Mar 5 14:46 > > (dbm map "Alias1": unsafe map file > /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1) > > > Total requests: 1 > > > > > Kind Regards > Jervy Chen > * Fear can hold you prisoner * > * Hope can set you free * From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 03:28:36 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46236195B72 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 03:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h27BWDEt001410; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:32:13 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6882BA.8040500@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 05:30:02 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Bish Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: No subject References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306215103.00b89ca0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20030306234243.00bb4dd0@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/38 X-Sequence-Number: 2909 You might try something like; /^Subject:\s*$/i Dan Liston Bob Bish wrote: > Is there anything I could put in taboo_headers that would reject a > message with a blank subject header? > > ...Bob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 03:40:25 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF46196878 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 03:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h27Bi3Et001471; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:44:03 -0600 Message-ID: <3E688580.8040105@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 05:41:52 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 Cc: "'Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 References: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C76@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/39 X-Sequence-Number: 2910 Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > Dan, > > Thanks for your help, the following is answer, please try to give me more point form you. > 1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) > This is my deadline to follow it. > 2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 > I use 8.12.8 sendmail.cf DZ8.12.8 > 3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf > I tried it but failed Please describe "failed". I use this successfully; O AliasFile=/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases The same could be written as two separate lines like; O AliasFile=/etc/aliases O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases > 3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail > It could not work anymore. I do not understand what you mean. Majordomo could not work, or sendmail? lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 May 5 2002 /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases -> ../../var/lib/majordomo/aliases > 4. Restart sendmail > > > Now, I resolved some problems, I used "majordomo" account to replace "smmsp" in sendmail, so aliases can work as normal. > > But web interface (majorcool) could not work for all features, it always displayed permission error as the following messages in IE. > : ABORT > shlock: '/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4' is not writable by UID 60001 GID 60001 > > Recipient names must be specified > > #ls -ld /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 > drwxr-xr-x 13 majordomomajordomo 2048 Mar 5 21:06 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 > > 60001 is "nobody" account & group, it seems that sendmail audit more strictly. Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. Dan Liston > > Kind Regards > Jervy Chen > > * Fear can hold you prisoner * > * Hope can set you free * > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:33 AM > To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 > Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 > > > Hi, > > Several points here, > > 1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) > 2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 > 3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf > 3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail > 4. Restart sendmail > > Dan Liston > > > Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > >>Hello, guys, >> >>Could anybody help me to resolve the following problem? Any idea will be >>appreciated! >> >>I am majordomo admin and have a majordomo server (Sun Ultra 2), >>majordomo 1.94.4 and sendmail 8.8.5 installed on it, it works fine for 2 >>years already after I setup it. The following is my setting before in >>/etc/mail/sendmail.cf. >> >>OA/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases >> >>Now, for the security reason, I have to upgrade sendmail from 8.8.5 to >>8.12.8, I finished it already and added the above line in sendmail.cf >>also but majordomo could not work as normal. The following is error >>message when I try to send mail to majordomo list but it can send email >>to normal user successfully. >> >>Mar 5 11:55:44 zchps01 sendmail[764]: h253tip9000764: SYSERR(root): dbm >>map "Alias0": unsafe map file >>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: No such file or directory >> >>Here is the output when I try to send out majordomo list. >> >># /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bi >>WARNING: World writable directory /var/spool/mqueue >>/etc/mail/aliases: 9 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 294 bytes total >>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo >>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >>newaliases: cannot open >>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: Executable files not >>allowed >> >># /usr/lib/sendmail -v test >>. >>test... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay... >>220 majordomo.motor.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 >>14:46:36 +0800 (CST) >> >>> EHLO majordomo.motor.com >>250-majordomo.motor.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you >>250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES >>250-PIPELINING >>250-EXPN >>250-VERB >>250-8BITMIME >>250-SIZE >>250-DSN >>250-ETRN >>250-DELIVERBY >>250 HELP >> >>> MAIL From:> >>250 2.1.0 >>... Sender ok >> >>> RCPT To:> >> >>> DATA >>250 2.1.5 >>... Recipient ok (will queue) >>354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself >> >>> . >>250 2.0.0 h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery >>test... Sent (h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery) >>Closing connection to [127.0.0.1] >> >>> QUIT >>221 2.0.0 majordomo.motor.com closing connection >> >># mailq >> /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) >>-----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- >>------------Sender/Recipient----------- >>h256ka8v002492 0 Wed Mar 5 14:46 >> >> (dbm map "Alias1": unsafe map file >>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1) >> >> >> Total requests: 1 >> >> >> >> >>Kind Regards >>Jervy Chen >>* Fear can hold you prisoner * >>* Hope can set you free * > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 05:23:03 2003 Received: from mailserv.mecnet.net (mailserv.mecnet.net [216.20.10.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEE41959D7 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.253] (HELO mailfilter2.mecnet.net) by mailserv.mecnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.5) with ESMTP id 10181631 for Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:30:02 -0500 Received: from [216.20.87.2] (helo=[10.0.0.41]) by mailfilter2.mecnet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18rHtn-0001wc-00 for Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:28:31 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:22:56 -0500 Subject: Re: List protection using virtusertable not working in sendmail From: John Heffernan To: Majordomo-Users Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <031101c2e3ae$a6769880$56600893@hku.hk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18rHtn-0001wc-00*5HXRRjQIN12* X-Archive-Number: 200303/40 X-Sequence-Number: 2911 We are having the same problem after applying the sendmail security patch for the problem discovered a few days ago. The patch upgraded sendmail to version 8.12.7 (we used a "patch" supplied by Apple via software update). We are using majordomo version 1.94.5. I also disabled the virtusertable (removed the FEATURE line in the sendmail MC file and regenerated sendmail.cf ) to get things working again but was wondering if there was a better solution. -- John Heffernan -- Educational Technology Consultant -- Hampshire Educational Collaborative -- 97 Hawley Street -- Northampton, MA 01060-2327 -- 413.586.4900 x144 (tel) -- 413.586-0180 (fax) -- http://www.collaborative.org/ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 09:53:12 2003 Received: from mail.innovativebusiness.net (mail.innovativebusiness.net [65.209.59.13]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A55E195AD3 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from PETE (bastion.innovativebusiness.net [65.209.59.11]) by mail.innovativebusiness.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h27Hr85s021200 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:53:08 -0500 From: "Peter Dumpert" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:56:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: sendmail 8.12.8 permission problem - fixed Message-ID: <3E6896E6.10126.29ABE8@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Archive-Number: 200303/41 X-Sequence-Number: 2912 I just upgraded to sendmail 8.12.8 for security reasons. Then, after getting a request to send out an emergency message from a client through her mailing list, I found that the upgrade broke majordomo. The message in the mail log was this: Mar 6 13:39:19 mail sendmail[957]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(majordomo): can not write to queue directory /var/spool/clientmqueue/ (RunAsGid=0, required=12): Permission denied After some frantic searching, I found that the problem was with the permissions of the new sendmail program. This is how the permissions need to be: -r-xr-sr-x 1 root mail 622429 Mar 3 20:07 /usr/sbin/sendmail I think the set group id bit is what did the trick. I hope this helps. -- Peter A. Dumpert Innovative Computer Services LLC - web design/e-pubs/consulting Innovative BusinessNet - an ISP for Business www.innovativebusiness.net Phone: 732-683-0092 ext 102 Fax: 732-577-9390 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 11:20:34 2003 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD6D195A32 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-69-3-76-110.phndaz91.covad.net ([69.3.76.110] helo=Vaio.earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18rNMD-0002ao-00; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 11:18:13 -0800 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030307121744.00bc6248@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: bobbish@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:18:16 -0700 To: Daniel Liston From: Bob Bish Subject: Re: No subject Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <3E6882BA.8040500@sonny.org> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306215103.00b89ca0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20030306234243.00bb4dd0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200303/42 X-Sequence-Number: 2913 At 04:30 AM 3/7/2003, Daniel Liston wrote: >You might try something like; > >/^Subject:\s*$/i > >Dan Liston Nope, that didn't work. ...Bob >Bob Bish wrote: >> Is there anything I could put in taboo_headers that would reject a >> message with a blank subject header? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 12:01:12 2003 Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3030D1959C8 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from 216-240-38-250.ip.idiom.com ([216.240.38.250] helo=APTITUDE) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18rO1a-0000wt-00; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:00:58 -0800 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" To: "'Bob Bish'" , "'Daniel Liston'" Cc: Subject: Re: No subject Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:01:17 -0800 Message-ID: <7AD6B1A7CA734A48B95E96591302A9B90B9519@sfdc.us.sychron.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030307121744.00bc6248@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 95a5daa1092a4a38d780f4a490ca69564776905774d2ac4b781dd7a38ee03e6eed702f2e6329bf52350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Archive-Number: 200303/43 X-Sequence-Number: 2914 > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Bish > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:18 AM > To: Daniel Liston > Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: No subject > > > At 04:30 AM 3/7/2003, Daniel Liston wrote: > >You might try something like; > > > >/^Subject:\s*$/i > > > >Dan Liston > > Nope, that didn't work. > > ...Bob I suspect this is little consolation, but it worked perfectly on Mj2. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 12:08:35 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C4A1960E5 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h27KCLEt003564; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:12:21 -0600 Message-ID: <3E68FC98.4010102@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 14:10:00 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Bish Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: No subject References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306215103.00b89ca0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20030306234243.00bb4dd0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20030307121744.00bc6248@pop.earthlink.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.71.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/44 X-Sequence-Number: 2915 For the message that this did not work, did the "Subject:" header even exist? The regular expression I posted does exactly what you asked, it checks for a Subject: line that contains zero or more whitespaces up to the "end of line". (blank) If the Subject line does not exist at all, the regular expression, or even the taboo_headers for that matter, can help you. If the Subject: line does exist, you should also check for (none) or variations that indicate (no subject) as well as the empty line. It would probably be better to apply the patch posted that will insert a subject_prefix, even for messages missing a Subject:. Dan Bob Bish wrote: > At 04:30 AM 3/7/2003, Daniel Liston wrote: > >> You might try something like; >> >> /^Subject:\s*$/i >> >> Dan Liston > > > Nope, that didn't work. > > ...Bob > > >> Bob Bish wrote: >> >>> Is there anything I could put in taboo_headers that would reject a >>> message with a blank subject header? >> From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 12:13:49 2003 Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318681969B6 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-69-3-76-110.phndaz91.covad.net ([69.3.76.110] helo=Vaio.earthlink.net) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18rOAx-0007Fq-00; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:10:40 -0800 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030307131023.021af008@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: bobbish@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 13:10:42 -0700 To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" , "'Daniel Liston'" From: Bob Bish Subject: Re: No subject Cc: In-Reply-To: <7AD6B1A7CA734A48B95E96591302A9B90B9519@sfdc.us.sychron.com > References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030307121744.00bc6248@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200303/45 X-Sequence-Number: 2916 >I suspect this is little consolation, but it worked perfectly on Mj2. Using version 1.94.5 ...Bob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 20:41:53 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8081964D7 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h284jpEt005742; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:45:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6974E8.4000801@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 22:43:20 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Bish Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: No subject References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306215103.00b89ca0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.63.3.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/46 X-Sequence-Number: 2917 I know I have commented on later versions of this message, but I did not mention that users should be educated on other email headers available for sorting their mailing list messages. Specifically, the "Sender:", "To:", or "Cc:" headers. Whatever tool you choose as your favorite mail client, examine "full headers" on this message from the majordomo-users list. You will see at least two of these three headers will indicate this message went through the majordomo-users mailing list. Also note that this list does NOT use the list name in the subject field. If you really want to get technical, the first (bottom) "Received:" line will also indicate the message was originally destined to majordomo-users. A sort/match on any of these fields looking for either majordomo or greatcircle should indicate the list they/you are subscribed to. In my case, I am subscribed to ALL greatcircle.com mailing lists, so my first sort filters on the domain of the list Sender, followed by one more sort to determine the actual list within that domain I subscribe to. Dan Liston Bob Bish wrote: > If the sender of a message does not include a subject line (leaves it > blank), is there a way to get majordomo to add one or, at least, to add > the subject prefix? Many members sort out list mail using the subject > prefix, but apparently majordomo doesn't add the prefix if there is no > subject. Using version 1.94.5 > > ...Bob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 7 20:51:50 2003 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEB8195F90 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-66-167-134-13.phndaz91.covad.net ([66.167.134.13] helo=Vaio.earthlink.net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18rWJB-0003wb-00; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 20:51:41 -0800 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030307215102.00bca1d0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: bobbish@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 21:51:38 -0700 To: Daniel Liston From: Bob Bish Subject: Re: No subject Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <3E6974E8.4000801@sonny.org> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306215103.00b89ca0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200303/47 X-Sequence-Number: 2918 At 09:43 PM 3/7/2003, Daniel Liston wrote: >users should be educated on other email headers available >for sorting their mailing list messages. Specifically, the "Sender:", >"To:", or "Cc:" headers. That's an excellent suggestion. Thanks! ...Bob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 9 19:02:25 2003 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D661959D9 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobox3.mot.com (pobox3.mot.com [10.64.251.242]) by ftpbox.mot.com (Motorola/Ftpbox) with ESMTP id h2A32F05007107 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:02:15 -0700 (MST) Received: [from zch07exm05.corp.mot.com (ZCH07EXM05.corp.mot.com [200.3.1.211]) by pobox3.mot.com (MOT-pobox3 2.0) with ESMTP id UAA10580 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:00:16 -0700 (MST)] Received: by ZCH07EXM05.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:01:25 +0800 Message-ID: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C77@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> From: Chen Jervy-qch1408 To: "'Daniel Liston'" Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:54:04 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Archive-Number: 200303/48 X-Sequence-Number: 2919 Dan, Only one question remained, how to reconfigure the majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group (what configuration file)? I check the daemon status when I submitted the request on the web, "majorcool" daemon always run with nobody permission. Thanks a lot. > 4. Restart sendmail >Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. Kind Regards Jervy Chen * Fear can hold you prisoner * * Hope can set you free * -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:42 PM To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > Dan, > > Thanks for your help, the following is answer, please try to give me more point form you. > 1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) > This is my deadline to follow it. > 2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 > I use 8.12.8 sendmail.cf DZ8.12.8 > 3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf > I tried it but failed Please describe "failed". I use this successfully; O AliasFile=/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases The same could be written as two separate lines like; O AliasFile=/etc/aliases O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases > 3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail > It could not work anymore. I do not understand what you mean. Majordomo could not work, or sendmail? lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 May 5 2002 /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases -> ../../var/lib/majordomo/aliases > 4. Restart sendmail > > > Now, I resolved some problems, I used "majordomo" account to replace "smmsp" in sendmail, so aliases can work as normal. > > But web interface (majorcool) could not work for all features, it always displayed permission error as the following messages in IE. > : ABORT > shlock: '/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4' is not writable by UID 60001 GID 60001 > > Recipient names must be specified > > #ls -ld /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 > drwxr-xr-x 13 majordomomajordomo 2048 Mar 5 21:06 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 > > 60001 is "nobody" account & group, it seems that sendmail audit more strictly. Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. Dan Liston > > Kind Regards > Jervy Chen > > * Fear can hold you prisoner * > * Hope can set you free * > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:33 AM > To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 > Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 > > > Hi, > > Several points here, > > 1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) > 2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 > 3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf > 3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail > 4. Restart sendmail > > Dan Liston > > > Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > >>Hello, guys, >> >>Could anybody help me to resolve the following problem? Any idea will be >>appreciated! >> >>I am majordomo admin and have a majordomo server (Sun Ultra 2), >>majordomo 1.94.4 and sendmail 8.8.5 installed on it, it works fine for 2 >>years already after I setup it. The following is my setting before in >>/etc/mail/sendmail.cf. >> >>OA/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases >> >>Now, for the security reason, I have to upgrade sendmail from 8.8.5 to >>8.12.8, I finished it already and added the above line in sendmail.cf >>also but majordomo could not work as normal. The following is error >>message when I try to send mail to majordomo list but it can send email >>to normal user successfully. >> >>Mar 5 11:55:44 zchps01 sendmail[764]: h253tip9000764: SYSERR(root): dbm >>map "Alias0": unsafe map file >>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: No such file or directory >> >>Here is the output when I try to send out majordomo list. >> >># /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bi >>WARNING: World writable directory /var/spool/mqueue >>/etc/mail/aliases: 9 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 294 bytes total >>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo >>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >>newaliases: cannot open >>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: Executable files not >>allowed >> >># /usr/lib/sendmail -v test >>. >>test... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay... >>220 majordomo.motor.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 >>14:46:36 +0800 (CST) >> >>> EHLO majordomo.motor.com >>250-majordomo.motor.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you >>250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES >>250-PIPELINING >>250-EXPN >>250-VERB >>250-8BITMIME >>250-SIZE >>250-DSN >>250-ETRN >>250-DELIVERBY >>250 HELP >> >>> MAIL From:> >>250 2.1.0 >>... Sender ok >> >>> RCPT To:> >> >>> DATA >>250 2.1.5 >>... Recipient ok (will queue) >>354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself >> >>> . >>250 2.0.0 h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery >>test... Sent (h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery) >>Closing connection to [127.0.0.1] >> >>> QUIT >>221 2.0.0 majordomo.motor.com closing connection >> >># mailq >> /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) >>-----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- >>------------Sender/Recipient----------- >>h256ka8v002492 0 Wed Mar 5 14:46 >> >> (dbm map "Alias1": unsafe map file >>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1) >> >> >> Total requests: 1 >> >> >> >> >>Kind Regards >>Jervy Chen >>* Fear can hold you prisoner * >>* Hope can set you free * > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 10 07:13:38 2003 Received: from inst.augie.edu (inst.augie.edu [192.103.41.1]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3591C1960DA for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.138.78] ([10.1.138.78]) by inst.augie.edu (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA56652 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:02:34 -0600 Subject: Re: No subject From: "Tim (TTUG)" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306234243.00bb4dd0@pop.earthlink.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306215103.00b89ca0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20030306234243.00bb4dd0@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 10 Mar 2003 09:19:11 -0600 Message-Id: <1047309552.17706.38.camel@tag3503.augie.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archive-Number: 200303/49 X-Sequence-Number: 2920 That reminds me: of a question I have. Is is possible to have certain taboo_{headers/body/subjects} cause majordomo not to bounce it to the moderator but a real kill ie bounce to dev/null. I am willing to try to do this is someone can give me someinfo on the basics of bounce.routine as I have already hardcoded a lot of modifications to our single and only list. Tim On Fri, 2003-03-07 at 00:44, Bob Bish wrote: > Is there anything I could put in taboo_headers that would reject a > message with a blank subject header? > > ...Bob > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 10 12:16:29 2003 Received: from wizard.firn.edu (wizard.firn.edu [150.176.12.39]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B10D195F8F for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by WIZARD.FIRN.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41769) id <01KTD3V5L22800A8C4@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:09:51 EST Received: from popmail.firn.edu ([204.194.36.191]) by WIZARD.FIRN.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41769) with SMTP id <01KTD3SIVEW000AWWY@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:09:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:14:16 -0500 From: Paul Diaguila Subject: new install - can't send mail to list To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <3E6CF218.50707@popmail.firn.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Archive-Number: 200303/50 X-Sequence-Number: 2921 Greetings... Have installed Majordomo-1.94.5 on FreeBSD. Am able to retrieve command replies such as help ok, but after creating a list test-l, I'm get the following error: 550 5.2.4 :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l... Cannot open /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l: Group writable directory Went so far as to set the directory and file permissions to owner, group, and world read, exe, and write, but no change... Have majordomo set as trusted in the sendmail.cnf and submit.cf file. Any ideas would be appreciated...... Thanks...... Paul From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 10 12:31:48 2003 Received: from SACEX2.ad.water.ca.gov (sacex2.water.ca.gov [136.200.117.23]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0872E19601A for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: new install - can't send mail to list Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:31:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3EE436BDAFE0044A8D6997B74EC3FAB1813433@SACEX2.ad.water.ca.gov> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: new install - can't send mail to list Thread-Index: AcLnQ1yMhbwDsUdVQMGjDlnxv6+kBgAAGraw From: "Vo, Phillip" To: X-Archive-Number: 200303/51 X-Sequence-Number: 2922 Paul, What is the permission (user, group and chmod mode) of your directory "lists"? Phillip -----Original Message----- From: Paul Diaguila [mailto:paul@popmail.firn.edu]=20 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:14 PM To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: new install - can't send mail to list Greetings... Have installed Majordomo-1.94.5 on FreeBSD. Am able to retrieve command replies such as help ok, but after creating a list test-l, I'm get the=20 following error: 550 5.2.4 :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l... Cannot open /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l: Group writable directory Went so far as to set the directory and file permissions to owner,=20 group, and world read, exe, and write, but no change... Have majordomo=20 set as trusted in the sendmail.cnf and submit.cf file. Any ideas would be appreciated...... Thanks...... Paul From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 10 14:41:09 2003 Received: from web20418.mail.yahoo.com (web20406.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.94]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E1924195A46 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:41:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20030310224106.24007.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.18.230.254] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:41:06 PST Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:41:06 -0800 (PST) From: paras dagli Subject: Majordomo not working after Sendmail upgrade To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200303/52 X-Sequence-Number: 2923 Hi, I updated sendmail to 8.12.8 and now the messages sent to the mailing lists on majordomo are not working. I installed majordomo 1.94.5. I changed the group write permission on the files, and the path to the files, in the lists directory. So the current bits are rwxr-xr-x. I looked at the log file /usr/local/majordomo/log and the messages I sent today to the mailing list don't show up on the log file. Any ideas on what I should do next? Where to look to fix this problem? Thanks, Paras Dagli ===== paras dagli - itchyhands@yahoo.com ===== "All fingers are not alike, If you cut bigger ones to make all equal it is communism, If you stretch smaller ones to make all equal it is socialism, If you do nothing to make all equal it is capitalism." -- B.J. Gupta __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 10 15:20:43 2003 Received: from wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E290195F75 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from yoda2.wrenkasky.com (IDENT:ZsVgW9FIr8q85UXlooI3La97X74fFprE@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wrenkasky.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2ANKl4e031993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:20:47 -0800 Received: (from ed@localhost) by yoda2.wrenkasky.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h2ANKl5s031992; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:20:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:20:47 -0800 Message-Id: <200303102320.h2ANKl5s031992@yoda2.wrenkasky.com> From: "Ed Kasky" Subject: Re: Majordomo not working after Sendmail upgrade To: paras dagli Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Originating-IP: 128.125.63.168 X-Mailer: Usermin 0.990 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/53 X-Sequence-Number: 2924 paras dagli wrote .. > I updated sendmail to 8.12.8 and now the messages sent > to the mailing lists on majordomo are not working. > I looked at the log file /usr/local/majordomo/log and > the messages I sent today to the mailing list don't > show up on the log file. Look for errors in the maillog and in the messages log. More than likely you either need to create trusted users in submit.cf since you upgraded to 8.12 or symbolic links for smrsh to use the wrapper... Ed Kasky Los Angeles, CA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Trust in God, but row away from the rocks." From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 10 16:57:11 2003 Received: from web20414.mail.yahoo.com (web20402.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 22BA7195F97 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:57:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20030311005704.2295.qmail@web20414.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.18.230.254] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:57:04 PST Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:57:04 -0800 (PST) From: paras dagli Subject: Re: Majordomo not working after Sendmail upgrade To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Cc: Ed Kasky In-Reply-To: <200303102320.h2ANKl5s031992@yoda2.wrenkasky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200303/54 X-Sequence-Number: 2925 The problem was with the permissions for the lists directory. The persmissions weren't set for user majordomo. Thanks, Paras --- Ed Kasky wrote: > paras dagli wrote .. > > I updated sendmail to 8.12.8 and now the messages > sent > > to the mailing lists on majordomo are not working. > > > I looked at the log file /usr/local/majordomo/log > and > > the messages I sent today to the mailing list > don't > > show up on the log file. > > Look for errors in the maillog and in the messages > log. More than likely you either need to create > trusted users in submit.cf since you upgraded to > 8.12 or symbolic links for smrsh to use the > wrapper... > > Ed Kasky > Los Angeles, CA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Trust in God, but row away from the rocks." > ===== paras dagli - itchyhands@yahoo.com ===== "All fingers are not alike, If you cut bigger ones to make all equal it is communism, If you stretch smaller ones to make all equal it is socialism, If you do nothing to make all equal it is capitalism." -- B.J. Gupta __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 10 16:58:06 2003 Received: from web20421.mail.yahoo.com (web20409.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.97]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D97FD19635E for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:58:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20030311005804.39171.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.18.230.254] by web20409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:58:04 PST Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:58:04 -0800 (PST) From: paras dagli Subject: Re: Majordomo not working after Sendmail upgrade To: Ed Kasky Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <200303102320.h2ANKl5s031992@yoda2.wrenkasky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200303/55 X-Sequence-Number: 2926 Ed, The problem was with the permissions for the lists directory. The persmissions weren't set for user majordomo. Thanks, Paras --- Ed Kasky wrote: > paras dagli wrote .. > > I updated sendmail to 8.12.8 and now the messages > sent > > to the mailing lists on majordomo are not working. > > > I looked at the log file /usr/local/majordomo/log > and > > the messages I sent today to the mailing list > don't > > show up on the log file. > > Look for errors in the maillog and in the messages > log. More than likely you either need to create > trusted users in submit.cf since you upgraded to > 8.12 or symbolic links for smrsh to use the > wrapper... > > Ed Kasky > Los Angeles, CA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Trust in God, but row away from the rocks." ===== paras dagli - itchyhands@yahoo.com ===== "All fingers are not alike, If you cut bigger ones to make all equal it is communism, If you stretch smaller ones to make all equal it is socialism, If you do nothing to make all equal it is capitalism." -- B.J. Gupta __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 10 20:46:40 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B25195A9A for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2B4qBEt007984; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:52:12 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6D6A8F.9070403@sonny.org> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:48:15 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Diaguila Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: new install - can't send mail to list References: <3E6CF218.50707@popmail.firn.edu> In-Reply-To: <3E6CF218.50707@popmail.firn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/56 X-Sequence-Number: 2927 Paul Diaguila wrote: > > Greetings... > > Have installed Majordomo-1.94.5 on FreeBSD. Am able to retrieve command > replies such as help ok, but after creating a list test-l, I'm get the > following error: > > 550 5.2.4 :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l... Cannot open > /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l: Group writable directory > > Went so far as to set the directory and file permissions to owner, > group, and world read, exe, and write, but no change... Have majordomo > set as trusted in the sendmail.cnf and submit.cf file. Any ideas would > be appreciated...... > This was the wrong direction. Sendmail was complaining that the directory was already "group" writable. You need to take away group write permission on the entire tree up to and including the directory your lists live in. You did the right thing setting sendmail to trust majordomo though. chmod 755 or 751 the majordomo and majordomo/lists directory, but ALSO chmod 755 "/" and "/usr" Dan Liston PS. In the above comment, majordomo = majordomo-1.94.5 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 10 20:53:09 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960F1196352 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2B4wgEt008004; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:58:42 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6D6C15.9020805@sonny.org> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:54:45 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Tim (TTUG)" Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: No subject References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030306215103.00b89ca0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20030306234243.00bb4dd0@pop.earthlink.net> <1047309552.17706.38.camel@tag3503.augie.edu> In-Reply-To: <1047309552.17706.38.camel@tag3503.augie.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/57 X-Sequence-Number: 2928 You could, but would you really trust not losing valid list traffic to this kind of modification? I would start by looking at what Joe did with the resend.1 patch. You might use that as your starting point, but do be VERY careful. Dan Liston Tim (TTUG) wrote: > That reminds me: of a question I have. > > Is is possible to have certain taboo_{headers/body/subjects} > cause majordomo not to bounce it to the moderator but a real kill > ie bounce to dev/null. > > I am willing to try to do this is someone can give me someinfo > on the basics of bounce.routine as I have already hardcoded a lot of > modifications to our single and only list. > > Tim > > On Fri, 2003-03-07 at 00:44, Bob Bish wrote: > >> Is there anything I could put in taboo_headers that would reject a >>message with a blank subject header? >> >>...Bob >> >> > > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 11 00:11:00 2003 Received: from wrath.cs.utah.edu (wrath.cs.utah.edu [155.99.198.100]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691DE195B61 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from vitesse.cs.utah.edu (vitesse.cs.utah.edu [155.99.197.71]) by wrath.cs.utah.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2B8Au500247 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:10:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by vitesse.cs.utah.edu (Postfix, from userid 124) id 33594E033F; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:10:56 -0700 (MST) From: "Mark J. Bradakis" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Archive format questions Message-Id: <20030311081056.33594E033F@vitesse.cs.utah.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:10:56 -0700 (MST) X-Archive-Number: 200303/58 X-Sequence-Number: 2929 So I've got over a decade's worth of archives from several dozen lists, and plan to do some cleanup, reshuffling and such of the files involved. The archives are available via a searchable web interface using WILMA to glue together MHonarc and glimpse. What I would like to do have all the message headers in the archive files to contain only three fields - From, Date and Subject. No received, no X-info, no Mailer-ID, no MIME-type or such. And as an attempt to thwart basic address mining, I'd like to have the 'From ' header lines encrypted, and have the web server spit out the unencrypted text for queries that come through the 'official' interface, while scumbag thievin' spammers get the encrypted and useless strings from their 'bots - or perhaps encrypted address are returned as root@[127.0.0.1] or some such. With Apache's 2.0 external filter ability it seems that delivering readable text to honest queries should be quite possible. Anyway, I'm guessing that something similar has already been done somewhere by someone. Are such filters available? Should I be looking at some new and improved replacement for the WILMA suite? The old Listquest site had some method of replacing email addresses with a .gif or .jpg file so that one could not easily harvest addresses from an archive. Is anything else like this out there? Or should I just plan on rewriting the version of archive2.pl [1.95] currently in use on my servers? mjb. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 11 06:09:40 2003 Received: from smtp.idi.net (smtp.idi.net [209.70.84.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE03195A0D for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pbender (unknown [209.70.84.47]) by smtp.idi.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 71646563EE for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:09:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c2e7d7$d98d5ba0$2f5446d1@idi.net> From: "Philip Bender" To: Subject: Posting from $Sender Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:09:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Archive-Number: 200303/59 X-Sequence-Number: 2930 How can I configure my list to post messages "from" the sender - as opposed to from majordomo, on behalf of the sender? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 11 09:29:39 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9764F195A90 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2BHZQEt011703; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:35:27 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6E1D63.6020207@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:31:15 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Bender , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Posting from $Sender References: <001501c2e7d7$d98d5ba0$2f5446d1@idi.net> In-Reply-To: <001501c2e7d7$d98d5ba0$2f5446d1@idi.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/60 X-Sequence-Number: 2931 Philip Bender wrote: > How can I configure my list to post messages "from" the sender - as opposed > to from majordomo, on behalf of the sender? Your message showed up as being "from" you, and not "on behalf of" you. Then again, I do not use a Microsoft email client. I think what you really want to get rid of, is the "on behalf of" piece, right? Line 749 of an unpatched "resend" script is where majordomo inserts the Sender: owner-listname@your.domain into the headers of the outgoing messages. 748: # add new header fields 749: print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; 750: if (defined($opt_p)) { 751: print OUT "Precedence: $opt_p\n"; 752: } See the way the Precedence: header is wrapped in an "if" statement? This could be done for the Sender: header too. 748: # add new header fields 749: if (defined($opt_f)) { 750: print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; 751: } 752: if (defined($opt_p)) { 753: print OUT "Precedence: $opt_p\n"; 754: } The result of this change would mean you have to leave the "sender =" in the .config file for your list blank. The other scripts that depend on this value would use the default of listname-request, but the resend script would only add the Sender: header if that variable contained a value. Sorry, I also made an assumption in my previous sentence. I am assUming that "-f sender" is not used in the alias for the list either. Finally, you could take a really easy way out, and just comment out line 749 of the resend script. 748: # add new header fields 749: # print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 11 10:32:56 2003 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C7A195F7F for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from icomcast.net (lb-ldap-155.icomcast.net [172.20.3.155]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HBL008BVKUURN@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.20.3.196] by msgstore01.icomcast.net (mshttpd); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:32:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:32:44 -0500 From: Christian Ready Subject: Denying attachments To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <246303247fca.247fca246303@icomcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en X-Archive-Number: 200303/61 X-Sequence-Number: 2932 Greetings, I am considering making a change in my mailing list configurations. I'd like to know if I can prevent attachments from being sent and if I can have it set up such that if a user sends an attachment to the list, it would reply back to them with a message that I would define somewhere (e.g., "Your post was denied because you attached a file. This is a no-no in our organization."). Does anyone know how this would be accomplished in majordomo 2.0? Thanks! Chris From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 11 10:57:51 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337F0195F8D for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2BJ3fEt012112; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:03:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6E3210.4000501@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:59:28 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Ready , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Denying attachments References: <246303247fca.247fca246303@icomcast.net> In-Reply-To: <246303247fca.247fca246303@icomcast.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/62 X-Sequence-Number: 2933 Christian Ready wrote: > Greetings, > > I am considering making a change in my mailing list configurations. > I'd like to know if I can prevent attachments from being sent and if I > can have it set up such that if a user sends an attachment to the list, > it would reply back to them with a message that I would define > somewhere (e.g., "Your post was denied because you attached a file. > This is a no-no in our organization."). > > Does anyone know how this would be accomplished in majordomo 2.0? > > Thanks! > Chris Have you looked at "demime" to see if it will serve your purpose? http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 11 12:21:15 2003 Received: from mail.zeelandnet.nl (mail5.zeelandnet.nl [212.115.192.155]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D387195A56 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 10.255.255.155 (unknown [10.255.255.153]) by mail (Postfix) with SMTP id E06C23834F for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:21:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from celeron566 (kbl-gs201.zeelandnet.nl [62.238.64.201]) by mail.zeelandnet.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914D7382ED for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:21:13 +0100 (CET) From: "Theo Richel" To: Subject: configure Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:21:13 +0100 Message-ID: <02ba01c2e80b$c34d1bd0$0100a8c0@richel.kpl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <20030311173031.7A20F195B3D@mycroft.greatcircle.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200303/63 X-Sequence-Number: 2934 In the install procedure for Majorcool it is said to 'Run the Configure script ('sh Configure')' Where and how do I do this? Thank you very much Theo Richel From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 11 12:48:49 2003 Received: from wizard.firn.edu (wizard.firn.edu [150.176.12.39]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA0A1959DC for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by WIZARD.FIRN.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41769) id <01KTEJAFXPYO00AGD3@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:42:05 EST Received: from popmail.firn.edu ([204.194.36.191]) by WIZARD.FIRN.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41769) with SMTP id <01KTEJAFNS2I00B0RK@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU>; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:42:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:48:41 -0500 From: Paul Diaguila Subject: Re: new install - can't send mail to list To: Daniel Liston Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <3E6E4BA9.7040609@popmail.firn.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <3E6CF218.50707@popmail.firn.edu> <3E6D6A8F.9070403@sonny.org> X-Archive-Number: 200303/64 X-Sequence-Number: 2935 Solved group writable problem with the chmod on the files and directory permissions. Now I see this: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l (reason: Can't create output) (expanded from: Paul Diaguila wrote: > >> >> Greetings... >> >> Have installed Majordomo-1.94.5 on FreeBSD. Am able to retrieve >> command replies such as help ok, but after creating a list test-l, >> I'm get the following error: >> >> 550 5.2.4 :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l... Cannot open >> /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l: Group writable directory >> >> Went so far as to set the directory and file permissions to owner, >> group, and world read, exe, and write, but no change... Have >> majordomo set as trusted in the sendmail.cnf and submit.cf file. >> Any ideas would be appreciated...... >> > This was the wrong direction. Sendmail was complaining that the > directory > was already "group" writable. You need to take away group write > permission > on the entire tree up to and including the directory your lists live in. > > You did the right thing setting sendmail to trust majordomo though. > > chmod 755 or 751 the majordomo and majordomo/lists directory, but ALSO > chmod 755 "/" and "/usr" > > Dan Liston > > PS. In the above comment, majordomo = majordomo-1.94.5 > > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 11 13:41:35 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F693195A20 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2BLlSEt012945; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:47:28 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6E589D.50504@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:43:57 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Theo Richel Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: configure References: <02ba01c2e80b$c34d1bd0$0100a8c0@richel.kpl> In-Reply-To: <02ba01c2e80b$c34d1bd0$0100a8c0@richel.kpl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/65 X-Sequence-Number: 2936 At the shell prompt of the unix machine you are installing majorcool to, and in the installation directory, type: sh Configure and hit the enter key on your keyboard. You will probably have to be the root user to do this successfully. Dan Liston Theo Richel wrote: > In the install procedure for Majorcool it is said to > 'Run the Configure script ('sh Configure')' > Where and how do I do this? > > Thank you very much > Theo Richel From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 11 14:30:03 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FB1195A20 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2BMZtEt013282; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:35:55 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6E63F7.5070904@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:32:23 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Diaguila Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: new install - can't send mail to list References: <3E6CF218.50707@popmail.firn.edu> <3E6D6A8F.9070403@sonny.org> <3E6E4BA9.7040609@popmail.firn.edu> In-Reply-To: <3E6E4BA9.7040609@popmail.firn.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/66 X-Sequence-Number: 2937 What are the permissions and ownership on your */spool/mqueue directory? The only places I can think output would be created is in the outgoing mqueue. I'm not up to speed with sendmail on FreeBSD, but if it defaults to using smrsh, you need to make sure your link to majordomo's wrapper is in the right location too. Is it possible your partition was full? What about /tmp? Dan Liston Paul Diaguila wrote: > Solved group writable problem with the chmod on the files and directory > permissions. Now I see this: > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l (reason: Can't create output) > (expanded from: > Also was able send mail to test-l-outgoing and it was delivered to the > people on the list, which indicates a sendmail problem....?? > > thanks again... > > Paul > > > Daniel Liston wrote: > >> Paul Diaguila wrote: >> >>> >>> Greetings... >>> >>> Have installed Majordomo-1.94.5 on FreeBSD. Am able to retrieve >>> command replies such as help ok, but after creating a list test-l, >>> I'm get the following error: >>> >>> 550 5.2.4 :include:/usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l... Cannot open >>> /usr/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/test-l: Group writable directory >>> >>> Went so far as to set the directory and file permissions to owner, >>> group, and world read, exe, and write, but no change... Have >>> majordomo set as trusted in the sendmail.cnf and submit.cf file. >>> Any ideas would be appreciated...... >>> >> This was the wrong direction. Sendmail was complaining that the >> directory >> was already "group" writable. You need to take away group write >> permission >> on the entire tree up to and including the directory your lists live in. >> >> You did the right thing setting sendmail to trust majordomo though. >> >> chmod 755 or 751 the majordomo and majordomo/lists directory, but ALSO >> chmod 755 "/" and "/usr" >> >> Dan Liston >> >> PS. In the above comment, majordomo = majordomo-1.94.5 >> >> >> > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 12 01:34:50 2003 Received: from msg.ecetra.com (dollar.ecetra.com [193.164.224.209]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713C7195F41 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from vie-ms01.office.ecetra.com (vie-ms01.office.ecetra.com [10.251.154.11]) by msg.ecetra.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h2C9Ykq14329 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:34:46 +0100 Received: from vie-ms02.office.ecetra.com ([10.251.154.13]) by vie-ms01.office.ecetra.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:34:46 +0100 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: How to change the the "to:" field for mailing list recipients X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:25:30 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How to change the the "to:" field for mailing list recipients Thread-Index: AcLm80k0w6j+7FRiTj6Gu9Y/XlnZyw== From: "Brankovic, Dragan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2003 09:34:46.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EB9B520:01C2E87A] X-Archive-Number: 200303/67 X-Sequence-Number: 2938 Dear all, we are running majordomo-1.94.5 on redhat linux and sendmail-8.11 with perl= -5.005 ! The problem is the following: When sending to a list the recipients see in the "to:" field listname@hostn= ame+domain ! What we would like is that it looks like this "to: listname@do= main.com! Is there any way to change this ? Dragan Brankovic Unix System Administrator ____________________________________________ ecetra Central European e-Finance AG =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF Neutorgasse 2 | A-1010 Vienna Tel: +43-1-536 89-17732 Mobil: +43-664-2024823 Fax: +43-1-536 89-17719 http://www.ecetra.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 12 01:34:55 2003 Received: from msg.ecetra.com (dollar.ecetra.com [193.164.224.209]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907EB195F6B for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from vie-ms01.office.ecetra.com (vie-ms01.office.ecetra.com [10.251.154.11]) by msg.ecetra.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h2C9Ylq14338 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:34:47 +0100 Received: from vie-ms02.office.ecetra.com ([10.251.154.13]) by vie-ms01.office.ecetra.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:34:46 +0100 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:27:32 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Index: AcLm80k0w6j+7FRiTj6Gu9Y/XlnZyw== From: "Brankovic, Dragan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2003 09:34:46.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EB9B520:01C2E87A] X-Archive-Number: 200303/68 X-Sequence-Number: 2939 show Dragan Brankovic Unix System Administrator ____________________________________________ ecetra Central European e-Finance AG =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF Neutorgasse 2 | A-1010 Vienna Tel: +43-1-536 89-17732 Mobil: +43-664-2024823 Fax: +43-1-536 89-17719 http://www.ecetra.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 12 01:37:30 2003 Received: from msg.ecetra.com (dollar.ecetra.com [193.164.224.209]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF3B195F46 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from vie-ms01.office.ecetra.com (vie-ms01.office.ecetra.com [10.251.154.11]) by msg.ecetra.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h2C9Ylq14335 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:34:47 +0100 Received: from vie-ms02.office.ecetra.com ([10.251.154.13]) by vie-ms01.office.ecetra.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:34:46 +0100 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:29:25 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Index: AcLoed8XGvKd8NOoRuibjq7qoNg4hg== From: "Brankovic, Dragan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2003 09:34:46.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EB9B520:01C2E87A] X-Archive-Number: 200303/69 X-Sequence-Number: 2940 show Dragan.Brankovic@ecetra.com Dragan Brankovic Unix System Administrator ____________________________________________ ecetra Central European e-Finance AG =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF Neutorgasse 2 | A-1010 Vienna Tel: +43-1-536 89-17732 Mobil: +43-664-2024823 Fax: +43-1-536 89-17719 http://www.ecetra.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 12 04:37:21 2003 Received: from hotmail.com (oe48.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.20]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3618D195A4E for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:37:19 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [216.112.124.12] From: "Tony Smith" To: Subject: Fw: How to change the the "to:" field for mailing list recipients Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:37:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2003 12:37:19.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F42F1C0:01C2E894] X-Archive-Number: 200303/70 X-Sequence-Number: 2941 Three ways: in majordomo.cf, specify $whereami = "domain.com" (to specify it globally) or in listname.config, specify resend_host = domain.com (to specify it for a particular list) or you can specify it directly in the resend command with -h domain.com (to specify it for a particular list) -tony ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:25 AM Subject: How to change the the "to:" field for mailing list recipients Dear all, we are running majordomo-1.94.5 on redhat linux and sendmail-8.11 with perl-5.005 ! The problem is the following: When sending to a list the recipients see in the "to:" field listname@hostname+domain ! What we would like is that it looks like this "to: listname@domain.com! Is there any way to change this ? Dragan Brankovic Unix System Administrator ____________________________________________ ecetra Central European e-Finance AG �� Neutorgasse 2 | A-1010 Vienna Tel: +43-1-536 89-17732 Mobil: +43-664-2024823 Fax: +43-1-536 89-17719 http://www.ecetra.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 12 06:47:30 2003 Received: from skipper.averillpark.net (alb-24-194-112-77.nycap.rr.com [24.194.112.77]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBCD195FCE for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:47:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwelty by skipper.averillpark.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18t7TQ-0005iA-00 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:44:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:44:52 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Welty Subject: offtopic mhonarc question To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64 'Sparc', compiled for Linux 2.4.9-13 i686 Message-Id: X-Archive-Number: 200303/71 X-Sequence-Number: 2942 this is OT, so perhaps replies offlist would be best. does anyone have any pointers to scripts (perl would probably be best) for monthly rotation of mhonarc archives (that is, creating a directory for the next month or next month and year, generating a web page to point to the monthly archives, etc.)? i doubt it's that hard to write, but i'm not a perl hacker and i don't have the time right now to become a good enough one to do it myself. thanks, richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@suespammers.org Averill Park Networking rwelty@averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security rwelty@krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 12 14:28:25 2003 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C868195AD3 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from desktop1 (pcp01823258pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net [68.54.95.43]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with SMTP id <0HBN002T5QFADS@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:28:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:29:44 -0500 From: Christian Ready Subject: Re: Denying attachments In-reply-to: <3E6E3210.4000501@sonny.org> To: Daniel Liston , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200303/72 X-Sequence-Number: 2943 Thanks for referring me to Demime. I don't think that's what I'm looking for, though. I was wondering if there was a config setting in majordomo that would send a message back to the sender informing them that they are not allowed to send messages to our list that have attachments. I know that there are some mime types that I can deny, but I wanted to see if I can deny all mime types. Is that possible? Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Liston > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:59 PM > To: Christian Ready; majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: Denying attachments > > > Christian Ready wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > I am considering making a change in my mailing list configurations. > > I'd like to know if I can prevent attachments from being sent and if I > > can have it set up such that if a user sends an attachment to the list, > > it would reply back to them with a message that I would define > > somewhere (e.g., "Your post was denied because you attached a file. > > This is a no-no in our organization."). > > > > Does anyone know how this would be accomplished in majordomo 2.0? > > > > Thanks! > > Chris > > Have you looked at "demime" to see if it will serve your purpose? > > http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html > > Dan Liston > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 12 15:05:56 2003 Received: from mail.zeelandnet.nl (mail5.zeelandnet.nl [212.115.192.155]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873E41959F1 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 10.255.255.155 (unknown [10.255.255.153]) by mail (Postfix) with SMTP id 1810C383F6 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:05:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from celeron566 (kbl-gs201.zeelandnet.nl [62.238.64.201]) by mail.zeelandnet.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC55238469 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:05:52 +0100 (CET) From: "Theo Richel" To: Subject: install problems Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:05:52 +0100 Message-ID: <03f701c2e8eb$edff10f0$0100a8c0@richel.kpl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200303/73 X-Sequence-Number: 2944 When I try to install Majorcool the following happens. Has anyone an idea what I should do? See below. Thank you Theo Richel bash-2.04$ sh Configure : command not found : command not found 'onfigure: line 9: syntax error near unexpected token `$$) 'onfigure: line 9: `export PATH || (echo "This isn't sh. Feeding myself to sh."; sh $0 $*; kill $$) By the way: the command ./ Configure it says: No such file or directory From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 12 16:35:24 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E05F195A3D for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2D0fpEt022863; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:41:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3E6FD24A.8040108@sonny.org> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:35:22 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Ready Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Denying attachments References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/74 X-Sequence-Number: 2945 Since demime has the capability of stripping the attachments off the messages, email could still come to the list without requiring a notification to the sender about bouncing their message. If comments/complaints come in about the missing attachment, you can point them to your FAQ or AUA for that list. Adding these to the (global_)?taboo_headers section could help; /^Content-type: multipart/i /boundary=/i but they would not bounce to the sender, they would bounce to the owner or moderator. This person would then send out a notice that the attachment bearing message was denied distribution. With the proper filters in place, that notice could be automated as well. Dan Liston Christian Ready wrote: > Thanks for referring me to Demime. I don't think that's what I'm looking > for, though. > > I was wondering if there was a config setting in majordomo that would send a > message back to the sender informing them that they are not allowed to send > messages to our list that have attachments. I know that there are some mime > types that I can deny, but I wanted to see if I can deny all mime types. > > Is that possible? > > Chris > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com >>[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Liston >>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:59 PM >>To: Christian Ready; majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >>Subject: Re: Denying attachments >> >> >>Christian Ready wrote: >> >>>Greetings, >>> >>>I am considering making a change in my mailing list configurations. >>>I'd like to know if I can prevent attachments from being sent and if I >>>can have it set up such that if a user sends an attachment to the list, >>>it would reply back to them with a message that I would define >>>somewhere (e.g., "Your post was denied because you attached a file. >>>This is a no-no in our organization."). >>> >>>Does anyone know how this would be accomplished in majordomo 2.0? >>> >>>Thanks! >>>Chris >> >>Have you looked at "demime" to see if it will serve your purpose? >> >>http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html >> >>Dan Liston >> From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 12 17:04:11 2003 Received: from wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972C4196215 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:04:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ekasky.wrenkasky.com (ekasky.priority.usc.edu [128.125.63.168]) by wrenkasky.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2D14E4f007869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:04:15 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030312165629.00abebc0@mail.esson.net> X-Sender: ed@mail.esson.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:04:05 -0800 To: Christian Ready From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: Denying attachments Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <3E6FD24A.8040108@sonny.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200303/75 X-Sequence-Number: 2946 To add what Dan had to say, demime also prints a little notification at the end of the offending email that it stripped the attachment. The sender would then see that it got stripped, get mad at you, threaten to force a coup on whoever installed demime and question why he/she can't send those pictures to an email list.... Of course, your faq will plainly state that attachments will be stripped and should only be sent to private email addresses and only if requested. They will then tell you they never saw the faq even though it was asked of them to read it before posting to the list. "What intro email? I never saw any stinking intro email!! You mean that thing I got years ago that said don't delete? I deleted it!" And I got this sardonic after only administering half a dozen lists over the years.... }B->) Ed Kasky Los Angeles, CA . . . . . . . . Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. -John Nichols, novelist (1940- ) At 06:35 PM Wednesday, 3/12/2003, Daniel Liston wrote -=> >Since demime has the capability of stripping the attachments >off the messages, email could still come to the list without >requiring a notification to the sender about bouncing their >message. If comments/complaints come in about the missing >attachment, you can point them to your FAQ or AUA for that >list. > >Adding these to the (global_)?taboo_headers section could help; > >/^Content-type: multipart/i >/boundary=/i > >but they would not bounce to the sender, they would bounce to the >owner or moderator. This person would then send out a notice that >the attachment bearing message was denied distribution. With the >proper filters in place, that notice could be automated as well. > >Dan Liston > >Christian Ready wrote: >>Thanks for referring me to Demime. I don't think that's what I'm looking >>for, though. >>I was wondering if there was a config setting in majordomo that would send a >>message back to the sender informing them that they are not allowed to send >>messages to our list that have attachments. I know that there are some mime >>types that I can deny, but I wanted to see if I can deny all mime types. >>Is that possible? >>Chris >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com >>>[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Liston >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:59 PM >>>To: Christian Ready; majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >>>Subject: Re: Denying attachments >>> >>> >>>Christian Ready wrote: >>> >>>>Greetings, >>>> >>>>I am considering making a change in my mailing list configurations. >>>>I'd like to know if I can prevent attachments from being sent and if I >>>>can have it set up such that if a user sends an attachment to the list, >>>>it would reply back to them with a message that I would define >>>>somewhere (e.g., "Your post was denied because you attached a file. >>>>This is a no-no in our organization."). >>>> >>>>Does anyone know how this would be accomplished in majordomo 2.0? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Mar 12 17:49:17 2003 Received: from mail.tellurian.net (mail.tellurian.net [216.182.1.8]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25F41963DE for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from walt99.betan.com (home.betandata.com [216.182.19.225]) by tellurian.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:49:10 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20030312204808.00a7e090@popd.betan.net> X-Sender: walterbetanc@popd.betan.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:48:56 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Walt Subject: Re: Denying attachments In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030312165629.00abebc0@mail.esson.net> References: <3E6FD24A.8040108@sonny.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archive-Number: 200303/76 X-Sequence-Number: 2947 An ugly footer, plainly stating no attachments might work. Walt At 08:04 PM 3/12/03, you wrote: >To add what Dan had to say, demime also prints a little notification at the end of the offending email that it stripped the attachment. > >The sender would then see that it got stripped, get mad at you, threaten to force a coup on whoever installed demime and question why he/she can't send those pictures to an email list.... > >Of course, your faq will plainly state that attachments will be stripped and should only be sent to private email addresses and only if requested. They will then tell you they never saw the faq even though it was asked of them to read it before posting to the list. > >"What intro email? I never saw any stinking intro email!! You mean that thing I got years ago that said don't delete? I deleted it!" > >And I got this sardonic after only administering half a dozen lists over the years.... > >}B->) > >Ed Kasky >Los Angeles, CA >. . . . . . . . >Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. > -John Nichols, novelist (1940- ) > >At 06:35 PM Wednesday, 3/12/2003, Daniel Liston wrote -=> > >>Since demime has the capability of stripping the attachments >>off the messages, email could still come to the list without >>requiring a notification to the sender about bouncing their >>message. If comments/complaints come in about the missing >>attachment, you can point them to your FAQ or AUA for that >>list. >> >>Adding these to the (global_)?taboo_headers section could help; >> >>/^Content-type: multipart/i >>/boundary=/i >> >>but they would not bounce to the sender, they would bounce to the >>owner or moderator. This person would then send out a notice that >>the attachment bearing message was denied distribution. With the >>proper filters in place, that notice could be automated as well. >> >>Dan Liston >> >>Christian Ready wrote: >>>Thanks for referring me to Demime. I don't think that's what I'm looking >>>for, though. >>>I was wondering if there was a config setting in majordomo that would send a >>>message back to the sender informing them that they are not allowed to send >>>messages to our list that have attachments. I know that there are some mime >>>types that I can deny, but I wanted to see if I can deny all mime types. >>>Is that possible? >>>Chris >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com >>>>[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Liston >>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:59 PM >>>>To: Christian Ready; majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >>>>Subject: Re: Denying attachments >>>> >>>> >>>>Christian Ready wrote: >>>> >>>>>Greetings, >>>>> >>>>>I am considering making a change in my mailing list configurations. >>>>>I'd like to know if I can prevent attachments from being sent and if I >>>>>can have it set up such that if a user sends an attachment to the list, >>>>>it would reply back to them with a message that I would define >>>>>somewhere (e.g., "Your post was denied because you attached a file. >>>>>This is a no-no in our organization."). >>>>> >>>>>Does anyone know how this would be accomplished in majordomo 2.0? > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 13 09:29:38 2003 Received: from proteus.obantec.net (unknown [213.171.197.193]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E286195A74 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma (public1-leed4-5-cust15.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.7.15]) (authenticated) by proteus.obantec.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h2DHSwN15370 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:28:58 GMT Message-ID: <288c01c2e985$edbb6a40$0a01a8c0@gamma> From: "Obantec Support" To: Subject: fixed group writeable problem but now cannot open Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:28:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Archive-Number: 200303/77 X-Sequence-Number: 2948 Hi did some googling and fixed sendmail 8.12.6 on RH 7.2 (added dontblamegroupwriteable since removing world writeable caused cannot open error). now when i send an email with approved password to a list created with webmin i get (domain changed to protect the address). ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/0845users (expanded from: <0845users-list@somedomain.xyz>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.2.4 :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/0845users... Cannot open /usr/local/majordomo/lists/0845users: Permission denied i would have preferred to remove world writeable bits but could not get permissions right. majordomo is using user=majordomo group=daemon Mark -- Obantec Support www.obantec.net WebHosting and Domains Nominet UK Tag Holder From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 13 19:00:51 2003 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C164F195F6C for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by ftpbox.mot.com (Motorola/Ftpbox) with ESMTP id h2E30DPO025438 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:00:13 -0700 (MST) Received: [from zch07exb01.corp.mot.com (zch07exb01.corp.mot.com [200.3.1.150]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id UAA19468 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:00:11 -0700 (MST)] Received: by zch07exb01.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:00:08 +0800 Message-ID: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C89@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> From: Chen Jervy-qch1408 To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 , "'Daniel Liston'" Cc: "'Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:53:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Archive-Number: 200303/78 X-Sequence-Number: 2949 Dan, Any idea will be appreciated , I tried it with many way but failed, thanks. Kind Regards Jervy Chen China TCSG-ITS * Fear can hold you prisoner * * Hope can set you free * -----Original Message----- From: Chen Jervy-qch1408 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:54 AM To: 'Daniel Liston' Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: RE: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 Dan, Only one question remained, how to reconfigure the majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group (what configuration file)? I check the daemon status when I submitted the request on the web, "majorcool" daemon always run with nobody permission. Thanks a lot. > 4. Restart sendmail >Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. Kind Regards Jervy Chen * Fear can hold you prisoner * * Hope can set you free * -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:42 PM To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > Dan, > > Thanks for your help, the following is answer, please try to give me more point form you. > 1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) > This is my deadline to follow it. > 2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 > I use 8.12.8 sendmail.cf DZ8.12.8 > 3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf > I tried it but failed Please describe "failed". I use this successfully; O AliasFile=/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases The same could be written as two separate lines like; O AliasFile=/etc/aliases O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases > 3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail > It could not work anymore. I do not understand what you mean. Majordomo could not work, or sendmail? lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 May 5 2002 /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases -> ../../var/lib/majordomo/aliases > 4. Restart sendmail > > > Now, I resolved some problems, I used "majordomo" account to replace "smmsp" in sendmail, so aliases can work as normal. > > But web interface (majorcool) could not work for all features, it always displayed permission error as the following messages in IE. > : ABORT > shlock: '/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4' is not writable by UID 60001 GID 60001 > > Recipient names must be specified > > #ls -ld /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 > drwxr-xr-x 13 majordomomajordomo 2048 Mar 5 21:06 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 > > 60001 is "nobody" account & group, it seems that sendmail audit more strictly. Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. Dan Liston > > Kind Regards > Jervy Chen > > * Fear can hold you prisoner * > * Hope can set you free * > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:33 AM > To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 > Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 > > > Hi, > > Several points here, > > 1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) > 2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 > 3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf > 3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail > 4. Restart sendmail > > Dan Liston > > > Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > >>Hello, guys, >> >>Could anybody help me to resolve the following problem? Any idea will be >>appreciated! >> >>I am majordomo admin and have a majordomo server (Sun Ultra 2), >>majordomo 1.94.4 and sendmail 8.8.5 installed on it, it works fine for 2 >>years already after I setup it. The following is my setting before in >>/etc/mail/sendmail.cf. >> >>OA/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases >> >>Now, for the security reason, I have to upgrade sendmail from 8.8.5 to >>8.12.8, I finished it already and added the above line in sendmail.cf >>also but majordomo could not work as normal. The following is error >>message when I try to send mail to majordomo list but it can send email >>to normal user successfully. >> >>Mar 5 11:55:44 zchps01 sendmail[764]: h253tip9000764: SYSERR(root): dbm >>map "Alias0": unsafe map file >>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: No such file or directory >> >>Here is the output when I try to send out majordomo list. >> >># /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bi >>WARNING: World writable directory /var/spool/mqueue >>/etc/mail/aliases: 9 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 294 bytes total >>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo >>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >>newaliases: cannot open >>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: Executable files not >>allowed >> >># /usr/lib/sendmail -v test >>. >>test... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay... >>220 majordomo.motor.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 >>14:46:36 +0800 (CST) >> >>> EHLO majordomo.motor.com >>250-majordomo.motor.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you >>250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES >>250-PIPELINING >>250-EXPN >>250-VERB >>250-8BITMIME >>250-SIZE >>250-DSN >>250-ETRN >>250-DELIVERBY >>250 HELP >> >>> MAIL From:> >>250 2.1.0 >>... Sender ok >> >>> RCPT To:> >> >>> DATA >>250 2.1.5 >>... Recipient ok (will queue) >>354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself >> >>> . >>250 2.0.0 h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery >>test... Sent (h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery) >>Closing connection to [127.0.0.1] >> >>> QUIT >>221 2.0.0 majordomo.motor.com closing connection >> >># mailq >> /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) >>-----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- >>------------Sender/Recipient----------- >>h256ka8v002492 0 Wed Mar 5 14:46 >> >> (dbm map "Alias1": unsafe map file >>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1) >> >> >> Total requests: 1 >> >> >> >> >>Kind Regards >>Jervy Chen >>* Fear can hold you prisoner * >>* Hope can set you free * > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Mar 13 21:00:43 2003 Received: from illumen.com (unknown [64.207.29.198]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB47195B1B for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from home by illumen.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.7.2.R) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:01:33 -0700 From: "Daniel Ajoy" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:01:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: problem with "newaliases" Reply-To: Daniel Ajoy Message-ID: <3E711BD6.28151.2290B0E@localhost> X-LINE1: ABCDEF0123456789 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Return-Path: dajoy@openworldlearning.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Archive-Number: 200303/79 X-Sequence-Number: 2950 Hi, Can someone please help me solve this: I on a FreeBSD system so I had to put this line in the sendmail.cf file O AliasFile=/majordomo/majordomo.aliases but when I use newaliases I get: su-2.05# newaliases hash map "Alias0": unsafe map file /majordomo/majordomo.aliases.db: Permission denied WARNING: cannot open alias database /majordomo/majordomo.aliases Cannot create database for alias file /majordomo/majordomo.aliases /etc/mail/aliases: 22 aliases, longest 10 bytes, 213 bytes total total 249 -rw-rw---- 1 majordomo daemon 6 Mar 13 21:34 .majordomo_registration -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordomo daemon 0 Mar 13 21:30 Log drwxr-xr-x 2 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:23 Tools -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 5267 Mar 13 21:23 archive2.pl drwxr-xr-x 2 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:23 bin -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 2795 Mar 13 21:23 bounce-remind -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 10671 Mar 13 21:23 config-test -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 51130 Mar 13 21:23 config_parse.pl -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 14201 Mar 13 21:23 digest drwxrwx--- 2 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:38 lists -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 62511 Mar 13 21:23 majordomo -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 89 Mar 13 21:41 majordomo.aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 0 Mar 13 21:46 majordomo.aliases.db -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 10462 Mar 13 21:33 majordomo.cf -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 24381 Mar 13 21:23 majordomo.pl -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 137 Mar 13 21:23 majordomo_version.pl drwxr-xr-x 4 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:23 man -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 3791 Mar 13 21:23 request-answer -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 29919 Mar 13 21:23 resend -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 10462 Mar 13 21:23 sample.cf -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 8060 Mar 13 21:23 shlock.pl -rwsr-xr-x 1 root daemon 7262 Mar 13 21:24 wrapper su-2.05# chmod g+w majordomo.aliases* su-2.05# newaliases newaliases: cannot open /majordomo/majordomo.aliases: Group writable file /etc/mail/aliases: 22 aliases, longest 10 bytes, 213 bytes total Daniel From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 14 06:20:19 2003 Received: from mail.innovativebusiness.net (mail.innovativebusiness.net [65.209.59.13]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A350C1959E9 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from PETE (bastion.innovativebusiness.net [65.209.59.11]) by mail.innovativebusiness.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2EEKG5s028692 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:20:16 -0500 From: "Peter Dumpert" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:23:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: problem with "newaliases" Message-ID: <3E719F8E.21786.E1AD7@localhost> In-reply-to: <3E711BD6.28151.2290B0E@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Archive-Number: 200303/80 X-Sequence-Number: 2951 Making the file group writable is going in the wrong direction. Check the permissions of the directory your .db file is in. If that directory - or any of its parent directories - is writable by group or other, that may be causing the "unsafe map file" condition. On 14 Mar 2003 at 0:01, Daniel Ajoy wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone please help me solve this: > > I on a FreeBSD system so I had to put this line in the sendmail.cf file > > O AliasFile=/majordomo/majordomo.aliases > > but when I use newaliases I get: > > su-2.05# newaliases > hash map "Alias0": unsafe map file /majordomo/majordomo.aliases.db: Permission denied > WARNING: cannot open alias database /majordomo/majordomo.aliases > Cannot create database for alias file /majordomo/majordomo.aliases > /etc/mail/aliases: 22 aliases, longest 10 bytes, 213 bytes total > > > total 249 > -rw-rw---- 1 majordomo daemon 6 Mar 13 21:34 .majordomo_registration > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordomo daemon 0 Mar 13 21:30 Log > drwxr-xr-x 2 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:23 Tools > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 5267 Mar 13 21:23 archive2.pl > drwxr-xr-x 2 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:23 bin > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 2795 Mar 13 21:23 bounce-remind > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 10671 Mar 13 21:23 config-test > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 51130 Mar 13 21:23 config_parse.pl > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 14201 Mar 13 21:23 digest > drwxrwx--- 2 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:38 lists > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 62511 Mar 13 21:23 majordomo > -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 89 Mar 13 21:41 majordomo.aliases > -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 0 Mar 13 21:46 majordomo.aliases.db > -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 10462 Mar 13 21:33 majordomo.cf > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 24381 Mar 13 21:23 majordomo.pl > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 137 Mar 13 21:23 majordomo_version.pl > drwxr-xr-x 4 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:23 man > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 3791 Mar 13 21:23 request-answer > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 29919 Mar 13 21:23 resend > -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 10462 Mar 13 21:23 sample.cf > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 8060 Mar 13 21:23 shlock.pl > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root daemon 7262 Mar 13 21:24 wrapper > > su-2.05# chmod g+w majordomo.aliases* > su-2.05# newaliases > newaliases: cannot open /majordomo/majordomo.aliases: Group writable file > /etc/mail/aliases: 22 aliases, longest 10 bytes, 213 bytes total > > Daniel > -- Peter A. Dumpert Innovative Computer Services LLC - web design/e-pubs/consulting Innovative BusinessNet - an ISP for Business www.innovativebusiness.net Phone: 732-683-0092 ext 102 Fax: 732-577-9390 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 14 07:21:46 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028C3195F87 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:21:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2EFT1Et016796; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:29:01 -0600 Message-ID: <3E71F389.9020100@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:21:45 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Ajoy Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: problem with "newaliases" References: <3E711BD6.28151.2290B0E@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3E711BD6.28151.2290B0E@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/81 X-Sequence-Number: 2952 Daniel Ajoy wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone please help me solve this: > > I on a FreeBSD system so I had to put this line in the sendmail.cf file > > O AliasFile=/majordomo/majordomo.aliases You did not "have to" put this in the sendmail.cf, you could use the /etc/mail/aliases file to house majordomo aliases instead of using a separate file for it. If you desire using separate aliases files, A better solution is to create a link to majordmo.aliases in the same directory as you existing aliases file, and point to that link in the sendmail.cf file. as root, ln -s /majordomo/majordomo.aliases /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases in sendmail.cf, O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases > > but when I use newaliases I get: > > su-2.05# newaliases > hash map "Alias0": unsafe map file /majordomo/majordomo.aliases.db: Permission denied > WARNING: cannot open alias database /majordomo/majordomo.aliases > Cannot create database for alias file /majordomo/majordomo.aliases > /etc/mail/aliases: 22 aliases, longest 10 bytes, 213 bytes total Sendmail does not allow files or directories to have "loose" permissions by default. You have to tell sendmail to loosen up with "dontblame*" settings in the cf or abide by the new security rules it imposes on you. You are probably being caught by a group writable permission on the "/" or "/majordomo" directory, not any of the files inside those directories (yet). The "/majordomo/lists" is an example of loose permissions. It should have 750 or 751 permissions rather than the 770 it has now. > > > total 249 > -rw-rw---- 1 majordomo daemon 6 Mar 13 21:34 .majordomo_registration > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordomo daemon 0 Mar 13 21:30 Log > drwxr-xr-x 2 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:23 Tools > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 5267 Mar 13 21:23 archive2.pl > drwxr-xr-x 2 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:23 bin > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 2795 Mar 13 21:23 bounce-remind > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 10671 Mar 13 21:23 config-test > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 51130 Mar 13 21:23 config_parse.pl > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 14201 Mar 13 21:23 digest > drwxrwx--- 2 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:38 lists > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 62511 Mar 13 21:23 majordomo > -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 89 Mar 13 21:41 majordomo.aliases > -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 0 Mar 13 21:46 majordomo.aliases.db > -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 10462 Mar 13 21:33 majordomo.cf > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 24381 Mar 13 21:23 majordomo.pl > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 137 Mar 13 21:23 majordomo_version.pl > drwxr-xr-x 4 majordomo daemon 512 Mar 13 21:23 man > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 3791 Mar 13 21:23 request-answer > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 29919 Mar 13 21:23 resend > -rw-r--r-- 1 majordomo daemon 10462 Mar 13 21:23 sample.cf > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordomo daemon 8060 Mar 13 21:23 shlock.pl > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root daemon 7262 Mar 13 21:24 wrapper > > su-2.05# chmod g+w majordomo.aliases* > su-2.05# newaliases > newaliases: cannot open /majordomo/majordomo.aliases: Group writable file > /etc/mail/aliases: 22 aliases, longest 10 bytes, 213 bytes total > > Daniel Sendmail is complaining about, not asking for, a group writable file. as root, in the majordomo directory, chmod g-w majordomo.aliases lists /majordomo / Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 14 08:39:31 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713CB195A5F for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2EGkjEt017079; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:46:45 -0600 Message-ID: <3E7205C0.8090506@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:39:28 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 Cc: "'Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 References: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C89@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> In-Reply-To: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C89@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/82 X-Sequence-Number: 2953 I would have hoped a majorcool user/administrator could have jumped in by now to offer suggestions/advice on solving this for you. I do not know majorcool, it's requirements, or it's dependencies. I do all my majordomo via email commands or the unix shell. If that much is working, you have reached the limits of my knowledge. One other thought does come to mind though. If majorcool is running on Apache, perhaps you need to tell sendmail to trust Apache too. Sorry, I just don't know. Dan Liston Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > Dan, > > Any idea will be appreciated , I tried it with many way but failed, thanks. > > Kind Regards > Jervy Chen > China TCSG-ITS > * Fear can hold you prisoner * > * Hope can set you free * > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chen Jervy-qch1408 > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:54 AM > To: 'Daniel Liston' > Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: RE: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 > > > Dan, > > Only one question remained, how to reconfigure the majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group (what configuration file)? I check the daemon status when I submitted the request on the web, "majorcool" daemon always run with nobody permission. Thanks a lot. > > > >>4. Restart sendmail >>Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to > > reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. > > > Kind Regards > Jervy Chen > * Fear can hold you prisoner * > * Hope can set you free * > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:42 PM > To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 > Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 > > > > > Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > >>Dan, >> >>Thanks for your help, the following is answer, please try to give me more point form you. >>1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) >>This is my deadline to follow it. >>2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 >>I use 8.12.8 sendmail.cf > > > DZ8.12.8 > > >>3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf >>I tried it but failed > > > Please describe "failed". I use this successfully; > O AliasFile=/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases > > The same could be written as two separate lines like; > O AliasFile=/etc/aliases > O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases > > > >>3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail >>It could not work anymore. > > > I do not understand what you mean. Majordomo could not work, or sendmail? > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 May 5 2002 /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases -> ../../var/lib/majordomo/aliases > > >>4. Restart sendmail >> >> >>Now, I resolved some problems, I used "majordomo" account to replace "smmsp" in sendmail, so aliases can work as normal. >> >>But web interface (majorcool) could not work for all features, it always displayed permission error as the following messages in IE. >>: ABORT >>shlock: '/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4' is not writable by UID 60001 GID 60001 >> >>Recipient names must be specified >> >>#ls -ld /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >>drwxr-xr-x 13 majordomomajordomo 2048 Mar 5 21:06 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >> >> 60001 is "nobody" account & group, it seems that sendmail audit more strictly. > > > Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to > reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. > > Dan Liston > > >>Kind Regards >>Jervy Chen >> >>* Fear can hold you prisoner * >>* Hope can set you free * >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] >>Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:33 AM >>To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 >>Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com >>Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 >> >> >>Hi, >> >>Several points here, >> >>1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) >>2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 >>3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf >>3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail >>4. Restart sendmail >> >>Dan Liston >> >> >>Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: >> >> >>>Hello, guys, >>> >>>Could anybody help me to resolve the following problem? Any idea will be >>>appreciated! >>> >>>I am majordomo admin and have a majordomo server (Sun Ultra 2), >>>majordomo 1.94.4 and sendmail 8.8.5 installed on it, it works fine for 2 >>>years already after I setup it. The following is my setting before in >>>/etc/mail/sendmail.cf. >>> >>>OA/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases >>> >>>Now, for the security reason, I have to upgrade sendmail from 8.8.5 to >>>8.12.8, I finished it already and added the above line in sendmail.cf >>>also but majordomo could not work as normal. The following is error >>>message when I try to send mail to majordomo list but it can send email >>>to normal user successfully. >>> >>>Mar 5 11:55:44 zchps01 sendmail[764]: h253tip9000764: SYSERR(root): dbm >>>map "Alias0": unsafe map file >>>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: No such file or directory >>> >>>Here is the output when I try to send out majordomo list. >>> >>># /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bi >>>WARNING: World writable directory /var/spool/mqueue >>>/etc/mail/aliases: 9 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 294 bytes total >>>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo >>>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >>>newaliases: cannot open >>>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: Executable files not >>>allowed >>> >>># /usr/lib/sendmail -v test >>>. >>>test... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay... >>>220 majordomo.motor.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 >>>14:46:36 +0800 (CST) >>> >>>>>>EHLO majordomo.motor.com >>> >>>250-majordomo.motor.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you >>>250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES >>>250-PIPELINING >>>250-EXPN >>>250-VERB >>>250-8BITMIME >>>250-SIZE >>>250-DSN >>>250-ETRN >>>250-DELIVERBY >>>250 HELP >>> >>>>>>MAIL From:> >>> >>>250 2.1.0 >>>... Sender ok >>> >>>>>>RCPT To:> >>>>>>DATA >>> >>>250 2.1.5 >>>... Recipient ok (will queue) >>>354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself >>> >>>>>>. >>> >>>250 2.0.0 h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery >>>test... Sent (h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery) >>>Closing connection to [127.0.0.1] >>> >>>>>>QUIT >>> >>>221 2.0.0 majordomo.motor.com closing connection >>> >>># mailq >>> /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) >>>-----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- >>>------------Sender/Recipient----------- >>>h256ka8v002492 0 Wed Mar 5 14:46 >>> >>> (dbm map "Alias1": unsafe map file >>>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1) >>> >>> >>> Total requests: 1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Kind Regards >>>Jervy Chen >>>* Fear can hold you prisoner * >>>* Hope can set you free * >> From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 14 11:31:05 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA6A1961B9 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob (h00045aebda62.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.155.244]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <200303141930580520001p11e>; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:30:58 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Bob Cohen" To: "'Majordomo-Users@Greatcircle. Com'" Subject: authentication Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:30:57 -0500 Organization: b.p.e.Creative Message-ID: <006601c2ea60$3cb59b90$6401a8c0@bob> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3E2C2D87.6070901@sonny.org> X-Archive-Number: 200303/83 X-Sequence-Number: 2954 My logwatch reported the following message: ***Begin Quote*** Authentication warnings: majordomo set sender to Majordomo-Owner@narsil.nbtanet.org using -f: 1 Times(s) ***End Quote*** And I got a bounced mail in my in box that correspondes to this message. This has me concerned that I may have some sort of security hole. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks. Bob Cohen b.p.e.Creative (Design and production services for the web) Put creative minds to work for you From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 14 13:07:10 2003 Received: from ourldsfamily.com (ourfam.dsl.xmission.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B95196433 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (karlp@localhost) by ourldsfamily.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h2EL74K17545 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:07:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:07:04 -0700 (MST) From: To: Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 In-Reply-To: <3E7205C0.8090506@sonny.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200303/84 X-Sequence-Number: 2955 Okay, I'll jump in... I've used Majorcool for a few years now without much problem. I don't allow the creation/deletion of lists. I use Dan's newlist2.pl, which I've modified to meet my own needs (default settings, etc.) to create lists, and I delete them using a short script I wrote and manually remove them from md.aliases (my name for that file). My solution to get Majorcool to work from the start was to make the owner/group the same as majordomo, which is also the same as apache. Yes, that's an interesting security thing to do, but it made the administration simple and completely permission-free. That's about all I had to do. Once done, everything kicked into place for me. -- Karl L. Pearson Senior Consulting Systems Analyst Senior Consulting Database Analyst karlp@ourldsfamily.com http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com My Thoughts on Terrorism In America: http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Daniel Liston wrote: > >I would have hoped a majorcool user/administrator could have jumped >in by now to offer suggestions/advice on solving this for you. I do >not know majorcool, it's requirements, or it's dependencies. I do >all my majordomo via email commands or the unix shell. If that much >is working, you have reached the limits of my knowledge. One other >thought does come to mind though. If majorcool is running on Apache, >perhaps you need to tell sendmail to trust Apache too. Sorry, I just >don't know. > >Dan Liston > >Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: >> Dan, >> >> Any idea will be appreciated , I tried it with many way but failed, thanks. >> >> Kind Regards >> Jervy Chen >> China TCSG-ITS >> * Fear can hold you prisoner * >> * Hope can set you free * >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chen Jervy-qch1408 >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:54 AM >> To: 'Daniel Liston' >> Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com >> Subject: RE: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 >> >> >> Dan, >> >> Only one question remained, how to reconfigure the majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group (what configuration file)? I check the daemon status when I submitted the request on the web, "majorcool" daemon always run with nobody permission. Thanks a lot. >> >> >> >>>4. Restart sendmail >>>Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to >> >> reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. >> >> >> Kind Regards >> Jervy Chen >> * Fear can hold you prisoner * >> * Hope can set you free * >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] >> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:42 PM >> To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 >> Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com >> Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 >> >> >> >> >> Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: >> >>>Dan, >>> >>>Thanks for your help, the following is answer, please try to give me more point form you. >>>1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) >>>This is my deadline to follow it. >>>2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 >>>I use 8.12.8 sendmail.cf >> >> >> DZ8.12.8 >> >> >>>3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf >>>I tried it but failed >> >> >> Please describe "failed". I use this successfully; >> O AliasFile=/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases >> >> The same could be written as two separate lines like; >> O AliasFile=/etc/aliases >> O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases >> >> >> >>>3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail >>>It could not work anymore. >> >> >> I do not understand what you mean. Majordomo could not work, or sendmail? >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 May 5 2002 /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases -> ../../var/lib/majordomo/aliases >> >> >>>4. Restart sendmail >>> >>> >>>Now, I resolved some problems, I used "majordomo" account to replace "smmsp" in sendmail, so aliases can work as normal. >>> >>>But web interface (majorcool) could not work for all features, it always displayed permission error as the following messages in IE. >>>: ABORT >>>shlock: '/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4' is not writable by UID 60001 GID 60001 >>> >>>Recipient names must be specified >>> >>>#ls -ld /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >>>drwxr-xr-x 13 majordomomajordomo 2048 Mar 5 21:06 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >>> >>> 60001 is "nobody" account & group, it seems that sendmail audit more strictly. >> >> >> Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to >> reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. >> >> Dan Liston >> >> >>>Kind Regards >>>Jervy Chen >>> >>>* Fear can hold you prisoner * >>>* Hope can set you free * >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] >>>Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:33 AM >>>To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 >>>Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com >>>Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 >>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>Several points here, >>> >>>1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) >>>2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 >>>3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf >>>3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail >>>4. Restart sendmail >>> >>>Dan Liston >>> >>> >>>Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hello, guys, >>>> >>>>Could anybody help me to resolve the following problem? Any idea will be >>>>appreciated! >>>> >>>>I am majordomo admin and have a majordomo server (Sun Ultra 2), >>>>majordomo 1.94.4 and sendmail 8.8.5 installed on it, it works fine for 2 >>>>years already after I setup it. The following is my setting before in >>>>/etc/mail/sendmail.cf. >>>> >>>>OA/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases >>>> >>>>Now, for the security reason, I have to upgrade sendmail from 8.8.5 to >>>>8.12.8, I finished it already and added the above line in sendmail.cf >>>>also but majordomo could not work as normal. The following is error >>>>message when I try to send mail to majordomo list but it can send email >>>>to normal user successfully. >>>> >>>>Mar 5 11:55:44 zchps01 sendmail[764]: h253tip9000764: SYSERR(root): dbm >>>>map "Alias0": unsafe map file >>>>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: No such file or directory >>>> >>>>Here is the output when I try to send out majordomo list. >>>> >>>># /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bi >>>>WARNING: World writable directory /var/spool/mqueue >>>>/etc/mail/aliases: 9 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 294 bytes total >>>>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo >>>>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >>>>newaliases: cannot open >>>>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: Executable files not >>>>allowed >>>> >>>># /usr/lib/sendmail -v test >>>>. >>>>test... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay... >>>>220 majordomo.motor.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 >>>>14:46:36 +0800 (CST) >>>> >>>>>>>EHLO majordomo.motor.com >>>> >>>>250-majordomo.motor.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you >>>>250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES >>>>250-PIPELINING >>>>250-EXPN >>>>250-VERB >>>>250-8BITMIME >>>>250-SIZE >>>>250-DSN >>>>250-ETRN >>>>250-DELIVERBY >>>>250 HELP >>>> >>>>>>>MAIL From:> >>>> >>>>250 2.1.0 >>>>... Sender ok >>>> >>>>>>>RCPT To:> >>>>>>>DATA >>>> >>>>250 2.1.5 >>>>... Recipient ok (will queue) >>>>354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself >>>> >>>>>>>. >>>> >>>>250 2.0.0 h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery >>>>test... Sent (h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery) >>>>Closing connection to [127.0.0.1] >>>> >>>>>>>QUIT >>>> >>>>221 2.0.0 majordomo.motor.com closing connection >>>> >>>># mailq >>>> /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) >>>>-----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- >>>>------------Sender/Recipient----------- >>>>h256ka8v002492 0 Wed Mar 5 14:46 >>>> >>>> (dbm map "Alias1": unsafe map file >>>>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1) >>>> >>>> >>>> Total requests: 1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Kind Regards >>>>Jervy Chen >>>>* Fear can hold you prisoner * >>>>* Hope can set you free * >>> > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 14 13:49:35 2003 Received: from mail.innovativebusiness.net (mail.innovativebusiness.net [65.209.59.13]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FAD195A84 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from PETE (bastion.innovativebusiness.net [65.209.59.11]) by mail.innovativebusiness.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2ELnP5s004353 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:49:25 -0500 From: "Peter Dumpert" To: "'Majordomo-Users@Greatcircle. Com'" Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:52:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: authentication Message-ID: <3E7208D4.32136.1A95291@localhost> In-reply-to: <006601c2ea60$3cb59b90$6401a8c0@bob> References: <3E2C2D87.6070901@sonny.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Archive-Number: 200303/85 X-Sequence-Number: 2956 You need to make majordomo a trusted user. Only trusted users can send mail as someone else without generating a warning. If you have a sendmail.mc file, there should be a line similar to this: FEATURE(`use_ct_file') If you want to use something other than the default filename (/etc/sendmail.ct) you also need (as an example): define(`confCT_FILE', `/etc/mail/trusted-users') Then you put the usernames for your trusted users in the file, one per line. I think you have to restart sendmail for it to take effect. On 14 Mar 2003 at 14:30, Bob Cohen wrote: > My logwatch reported the following message: > > ***Begin Quote*** > Authentication warnings: > majordomo set sender to Majordomo-Owner@narsil.nbtanet.org using -f: > 1 Times(s) > ***End Quote*** > > And I got a bounced mail in my in box that correspondes to this message. > This has me concerned that I may have some sort of security hole. Any > insight would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Bob Cohen > b.p.e.Creative (Design and production services for the web) > Put creative minds to work for you > -- Peter A. Dumpert Innovative Computer Services LLC - web design/e-pubs/consulting Innovative BusinessNet - an ISP for Business www.innovativebusiness.net Phone: 732-683-0092 ext 102 Fax: 732-577-9390 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 14 14:38:15 2003 Received: from wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4AF195A3E for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ekasky.wrenkasky.com (ekasky.priority.usc.edu [128.125.63.168]) by wrenkasky.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2EMcF4f011291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:38:15 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030314142606.00aa8308@mail.esson.net> X-Sender: ed@mail.esson.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:38:08 -0800 To: From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: authentication In-Reply-To: <3E7208D4.32136.1A95291@localhost> References: <006601c2ea60$3cb59b90$6401a8c0@bob> <3E2C2D87.6070901@sonny.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200303/86 X-Sequence-Number: 2957 At 04:52 PM Friday, 3/14/2003, Peter Dumpert wrote -=> >You need to make majordomo a trusted user. Only trusted users >can send mail as someone else without generating a warning. > >If you have a sendmail.mc file, there should be a line similar to this: > FEATURE(`use_ct_file') Any time you make an addition to either sendmail.mc or submit mc, you need to run the m4 macro processor to make the new cf. This is the 'sendmail' recommended peocedure. ex: m4 ../m4/cf.m4 my-very-own.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf >If you want to use something other than the default filename >(/etc/sendmail.ct) you also need (as an example): > define(`confCT_FILE', `/etc/mail/trusted-users') If you don't have a lot of users, I have found it easier to use the following in the mc: define(`confTRUSTED_USERS', `majordom mail otheruser')dnl If you are running 8.12.x and utilize the submit.cf, this or the settings for the ct file go in the submit.mc and then you build the cf in the same manner as you would for the sendmail.cf HTH Ed Kasky Los Angeles, CA . . . . . . . . It is a funny thing about life: if you refuse to accept anything but the best you very often get it. -William Somerset Maugham From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 17 01:05:30 2003 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C57195A42 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 01:04:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate) with ESMTP id h2H94HIG025930 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:04:17 -0700 (MST) Received: [from zch07exb01.corp.mot.com (zch07exb01.corp.mot.com [200.3.1.150]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id CAA16094 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:04:15 -0700 (MST)] Received: by zch07exb01.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:04:14 +0800 Message-ID: <1B2D9E22CDF7D611BD2200805FA7B779181C97@hou204.cig.mcel.mot.com> From: Chen Jervy-qch1408 To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:04:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Archive-Number: 200303/87 X-Sequence-Number: 2958 Dan, Bill, Ed, Karl, Thanks for your so warm assistance and suggestions, base on these idea, I resolved this problem after adding the SETUID permission on majordomo "wrapper"program. So this issue can be close now, hope to see your nice guys again. Kind Regards Jervy Chen China TCSG-ITS * Fear can hold you prisoner * * Hope can set you free * -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 12:39 AM To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 I would have hoped a majorcool user/administrator could have jumped in by now to offer suggestions/advice on solving this for you. I do not know majorcool, it's requirements, or it's dependencies. I do all my majordomo via email commands or the unix shell. If that much is working, you have reached the limits of my knowledge. One other thought does come to mind though. If majorcool is running on Apache, perhaps you need to tell sendmail to trust Apache too. Sorry, I just don't know. Dan Liston Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > Dan, > > Any idea will be appreciated , I tried it with many way but failed, thanks. > > Kind Regards > Jervy Chen > China TCSG-ITS > * Fear can hold you prisoner * > * Hope can set you free * > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chen Jervy-qch1408 > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:54 AM > To: 'Daniel Liston' > Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: RE: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 > > > Dan, > > Only one question remained, how to reconfigure the majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group (what configuration file)? I check the daemon status when I submitted the request on the web, "majorcool" daemon always run with nobody permission. Thanks a lot. > > > >>4. Restart sendmail >>Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to > > reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. > > > Kind Regards > Jervy Chen > * Fear can hold you prisoner * > * Hope can set you free * > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:42 PM > To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 > Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 > > > > > Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: > >>Dan, >> >>Thanks for your help, the following is answer, please try to give me more point form you. >>1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) >>This is my deadline to follow it. >>2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 >>I use 8.12.8 sendmail.cf > > > DZ8.12.8 > > >>3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf >>I tried it but failed > > > Please describe "failed". I use this successfully; > O AliasFile=/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases > > The same could be written as two separate lines like; > O AliasFile=/etc/aliases > O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases > > > >>3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail >>It could not work anymore. > > > I do not understand what you mean. Majordomo could not work, or sendmail? > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 May 5 2002 /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases -> ../../var/lib/majordomo/aliases > > >>4. Restart sendmail >> >> >>Now, I resolved some problems, I used "majordomo" account to replace "smmsp" in sendmail, so aliases can work as normal. >> >>But web interface (majorcool) could not work for all features, it always displayed permission error as the following messages in IE. >>: ABORT >>shlock: '/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4' is not writable by UID 60001 GID 60001 >> >>Recipient names must be specified >> >>#ls -ld /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >>drwxr-xr-x 13 majordomomajordomo 2048 Mar 5 21:06 /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >> >> 60001 is "nobody" account & group, it seems that sendmail audit more strictly. > > > Sendmail is definitely more strict on security than it used to be. You might have to > reconfigure your majorcool to run as the majordomo user and group. > > Dan Liston > > >>Kind Regards >>Jervy Chen >> >>* Fear can hold you prisoner * >>* Hope can set you free * >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] >>Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:33 AM >>To: Chen Jervy-qch1408 >>Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com >>Subject: Re: majordomo problem after upgrading the sendmail to 8.12.8 >> >> >>Hi, >> >>Several points here, >> >>1. Upgrade majordomo to 1.94.5 (or higher) >>2. You appear to be using a sendmail 8.8.5 config file with 8.12.8 >>3. Use "O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo_aliases" in sendmail.cf >>3a. Create a symbolic link from your majordomo_aliases to /etc/mail >>4. Restart sendmail >> >>Dan Liston >> >> >>Chen Jervy-qch1408 wrote: >> >> >>>Hello, guys, >>> >>>Could anybody help me to resolve the following problem? Any idea will be >>>appreciated! >>> >>>I am majordomo admin and have a majordomo server (Sun Ultra 2), >>>majordomo 1.94.4 and sendmail 8.8.5 installed on it, it works fine for 2 >>>years already after I setup it. The following is my setting before in >>>/etc/mail/sendmail.cf. >>> >>>OA/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases >>> >>>Now, for the security reason, I have to upgrade sendmail from 8.8.5 to >>>8.12.8, I finished it already and added the above line in sendmail.cf >>>also but majordomo could not work as normal. The following is error >>>message when I try to send mail to majordomo list but it can send email >>>to normal user successfully. >>> >>>Mar 5 11:55:44 zchps01 sendmail[764]: h253tip9000764: SYSERR(root): dbm >>>map "Alias0": unsafe map file >>>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: No such file or directory >>> >>>Here is the output when I try to send out majordomo list. >>> >>># /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bi >>>WARNING: World writable directory /var/spool/mqueue >>>/etc/mail/aliases: 9 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 294 bytes total >>>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo >>>WARNING: Group writable directory /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4 >>>newaliases: cannot open >>>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.4/majordomo_aliases: Executable files not >>>allowed >>> >>># /usr/lib/sendmail -v test >>>. >>>test... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay... >>>220 majordomo.motor.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 >>>14:46:36 +0800 (CST) >>> >>>>>>EHLO majordomo.motor.com >>> >>>250-majordomo.motor.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you >>>250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES >>>250-PIPELINING >>>250-EXPN >>>250-VERB >>>250-8BITMIME >>>250-SIZE >>>250-DSN >>>250-ETRN >>>250-DELIVERBY >>>250 HELP >>> >>>>>>MAIL From:> >>> >>>250 2.1.0 >>>... Sender ok >>> >>>>>>RCPT To:> >>>>>>DATA >>> >>>250 2.1.5 >>>... Recipient ok (will queue) >>>354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself >>> >>>>>>. >>> >>>250 2.0.0 h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery >>>test... Sent (h256ka8v002492 Message accepted for delivery) >>>Closing connection to [127.0.0.1] >>> >>>>>>QUIT >>> >>>221 2.0.0 majordomo.motor.com closing connection >>> >>># mailq >>> /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) >>>-----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- >>>------------Sender/Recipient----------- >>>h256ka8v002492 0 Wed Mar 5 14:46 >>> >>> (dbm map "Alias1": unsafe map file >>>/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1) >>> >>> >>> Total requests: 1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Kind Regards >>>Jervy Chen >>>* Fear can hold you prisoner * >>>* Hope can set you free * >> From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 17 13:17:14 2003 Received: from gateway.hns.com (unknown [208.236.67.14]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684E4195A2B for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from excore1.hns.com (excore1.hns.com [139.85.52.104]) by gateway.hns.com (Switch-3.0.3/Switch-3.0.0) with ESMTP id h2HLH4nL028393 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hns.com (coresun3.md.hnsnet [10.32.12.200]) by excore1.hns.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h2HLGx802650 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:16:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E763B4A.60706@hns.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:16:58 -0500 From: Jaysheel Mehd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020920 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Problems with Majorcool References: <20030317211249.C4B99195F0B@mycroft.greatcircle.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080902050500070600090007" X-Filtered: Sendmail MIME Filter v1.0.8 excore1.hns.com h2HLGx802650 X-Archive-Number: 200303/88 X-Sequence-Number: 2959 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080902050500070600090007 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010206070007020005030700" --------------010206070007020005030700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I am using Majordomo 1.94.5, majorcool v 1.3.2 and perl version 5.005_03 built for sun4-solaris. I am on Solaris 8 and sendmail version is 8.12.6. Now, I have installed Majordomo and the list is working pretty well. I tried to create the list through Majorcool and that also puts a config file. But the main cause is Majorcool sees just the test list and not any other lists Hence, I cannot modify, subscribe or do anything with any other lists. Any pointers to solve this will be very helpful Thanks --------------010206070007020005030700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi all,

I am using Majordomo 1.94.5, majorcool v 1.3.2 and perl version 5.005_03 built for sun4-solaris.

I am on Solaris 8 and sendmail version is 8.12.6.

Now, I have installed Majordomo and the list is working pretty well. I tried to create the list through Majorcool and that also puts a config file.

But the main cause is Majorcool sees just the test list and not any other lists
Hence, I cannot modify, subscribe or do anything with any other lists. Any pointers to solve this will be very helpful

Thanks
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mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BBD195ADE for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from andybev.com ([192.168.0.50]) by earth.msuotc.co.uk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HLlW3Q016463; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:47:33 GMT Message-ID: <3E7642E5.6070705@andybev.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:49:25 +0000 From: Andrew Beverley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jaysheel Mehd Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Problems with Majorcool References: <20030317211249.C4B99195F0B@mycroft.greatcircle.com> <3E763B4A.60706@hns.com> In-Reply-To: <3E763B4A.60706@hns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/89 X-Sequence-Number: 2960 You may have to run the following to update the cache of the lists. You need to run it from majordomo's home directory: ./wrapper mj_key_cache Andy Beverley Jaysheel Mehd wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am using Majordomo 1.94.5, majorcool v 1.3.2 and perl version 5.005_03 > built for sun4-solaris. > > I am on Solaris 8 and sendmail version is 8.12.6. > > Now, I have installed Majordomo and the list is working pretty well. I > tried to create the list through Majorcool and that also puts a config file. > > *But the main cause is Majorcool sees just the test list and not any > other lists > *Hence, I cannot modify, subscribe or do anything with any other lists. > Any pointers to solve this will be very helpful > > Thanks From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 17 16:28:48 2003 Received: from illumen.com (unknown [64.207.29.198]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C93195A2B for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from home by illumen.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.7.2.R) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:29:45 -0700 From: "Daniel Ajoy" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:29:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: problem with "newaliases" Reply-To: Daniel Ajoy Message-ID: <3E762216.32401.27485@localhost> In-reply-to: <3E71F389.9020100@sonny.org> References: <3E711BD6.28151.2290B0E@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Return-Path: dajoy@openworldlearning.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Archive-Number: 200303/90 X-Sequence-Number: 2961 On 14 Mar 2003 at 9:21, Daniel Liston wrote: > > You did not "have to" put this in the sendmail.cf, you could use the > /etc/mail/aliases file to house majordomo aliases instead of using a > separate file for it. If you desire using separate aliases files, > A better solution is to create a link to majordmo.aliases in the same > directory as you existing aliases file, and point to that link in > the sendmail.cf file. > > as root, > ln -s /majordomo/majordomo.aliases /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases > > in sendmail.cf, > O AliasFile=/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases thanks, that solved my problem. Daniel From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 17 20:14:31 2003 Received: from hawk.lamplightsoftware.com (ns1.lamplightsoftware.net [66.138.138.9]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF3E195A2B for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from silas (dhcp101.lamplightsoftware.com [192.168.10.101]) by hawk.lamplightsoftware.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id h2I4BQLo004312 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:11:26 -0600 (CST) From: "David E. Minor" To: Subject: ABORT Mailer problem Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:14:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Archive-Number: 200303/91 X-Sequence-Number: 2962 I recently upgraded to Majordomo 1.94.5, Solaris 9 and Sendmail 8.12.7. Whenever I try to send to any of my lists I receive the following message in majordomo.log and no mail is sent. Mar 11 01:23:50 awana-nct.org resend[28340] {awana-nct-leaders} ABORT Mailer /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oee -fmissionary@awana-nct.org distrib-awana-nct-leaders exited unexpectedly with error 65535 Here is the output of the config-test: ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- Config-test for Majordomo ---------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- Obvious things: --------------------- ------------------ environment variables ------------------ HOME=/opt/majordomo LOGNAME=root MAJORDOMO_CF=/opt/majordomo/majordomo.cf PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb SHELL=/bin/sh TZ=US/Central --------------------- euid/egid checks --------------------- effective user = majordom (uid 1100) effective group = majordom daemon nuucp lp tty mail uucp adm sys bin root other (gid 120 12 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 0 1 ) ---------------------- uid/gid checks ---------------------- real user = majordom (uid 1100) real group = majordom daemon nuucp lp tty mail uucp adm sys bin root other (gid 120 12 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 0 1 ) ------------------------------------------------------------ Non obvious things that cause headaches: ------------------------------------------------------------ Good: 'require'd /opt/majordomo/majordomo.cf okay. Good: found ctime.pl okay. Good: found majordomo_version.pl okay. Good: found majordomo.pl okay. Good: found shlock.pl okay. Good: found config_parse.pl okay. You're running Majordomo Version 1.94.5. --==> Majordomo home directory is /opt/majordomo. ------------------- Include directories ------------------- /opt/majordomo /opt/perl/lib/5.8.0/sun4-solaris /opt/perl/lib/5.8.0 /opt/perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.0/sun4-solaris /opt/perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.0 /opt/perl/lib/site_perl . --------------------------- Home --------------------------- Good: changedir to /opt/majordomo succeeded. Good: Created a mock lock file. ---------------------- temp directory ---------------------- Good: Created a temp file in $TMPDIR (/var/tmp). ---------------------- list directory ---------------------- Good: list directory /opt/majordomo/lists has good permissions. --------------------------- log --------------------------- Good: logfile /opt/majordomo/majordomo.log exists and is writeable. ------------------------- Mailers ------------------------- You have defined a mailer for delivery. Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. You have defined a mailer for delivering administrative messages. Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. ------------------ Checking majordomo.cf ------------------ Checking to see if there are new variables that should be in your majordomo.cf file...Nope, none that I see. Have you configured where Majordomo is? $whereami is lamplightsoftware.com Good: yup! ----------------------- end of tests ----------------------- Nothing bad found! Majordomo _should_ work correctly. If it doesn't, check your configuration file (/opt/majordomo/majordomo.cf) closely, and if it still looks okay, consider asking the majordomo-users mailing list at "majordomo-users@greatcircle.com" for assistance. Be sure and fully specify what your problems are, and what type of machine (and operating system) you are using. Enjoy! Any help would be appreciated! -Dave Minor From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 17 23:56:33 2003 Received: from itfuture.dekundenserver.de (unknown [62.26.119.143]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7823D195B22 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from intra2 (unknown [213.217.101.98]) by itfuture.dekundenserver.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9AE147A61 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:56:31 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Markus Tacker Organization: IT Future AG To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Variables available in info document Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:52:19 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200303171235.27074.mtacker@itfuture.de> X-Archive-Number: 200303/92 X-Sequence-Number: 2963 Hello List, I've read the docs, faq and a part of the archive but i=20 can't find a comprehensive list of variables (like $USER)=20 available in the different documents especially the info=20 document. Any hint? --=20 sincerely yours Markus Tacker From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 18 01:52:50 2003 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.47]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CB5195F33 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se (alteon-nat4.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.121]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/WIREfire-1.5) with ESMTP id h2I9qgwv021107 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:52:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from esealnt135.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.251.92]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id FDVPK4VD; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:52:42 +0100 Received: by esealnt135.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:48:16 +0100 Message-ID: <1254192C94D3D411B8060008C7E6AEEB075E029E@esealnt408> X-Sybari-Trust: 9c3413f8 9ffcebbb a5ee123c 00000138 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Sagen_=28PAC=29?= To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Trouble with config footer in HTML mails Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:49:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2ED33.ADA03D30" X-Archive-Number: 200303/93 X-Sequence-Number: 2964 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ED33.ADA03D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! =20 I have configured a mailing list to use a standard footer. In the config fi= le it looks like this: =20 message_footer << END ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- This is a footer text ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- END This footer follows nicely when sending out mails in plain text format (or = using rich text that will be converted to plain text) =20 However, it does not work when sending HTML mails. =20 I want my footer to work both with HTML and plain text mails. How can I ach= ieve this? =20 BR Torbj=F6rn ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ED33.ADA03D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi!

I have co= nfigured a=20 mailing list to use a standard footer. In the config file it looks like=20 this:

message_footer =20 << =20 END
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This=20 is a footer text

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This foot= er follows=20 nicely when sending out mails in plain text format (or using rich text that= will=20 be converted to plain text)

However, = it does not=20 work when sending HTML mails.

I want my= footer to=20 work both with HTML and plain text mails. How can I achieve=20 this?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ED33.ADA03D30-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 18 07:15:17 2003 Received: from trip.mrball.net (66-214-180-43.la-cbi.charterpipeline.net [66.214.180.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB3419608A for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by trip.mrball.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 223022C0C4; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:15:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:15:09 -0800 From: Todd Lyons To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: Trouble with config footer in HTML mails Message-ID: <20030318151509.GB17187@mrball.net> Mail-Followup-To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" References: <1254192C94D3D411B8060008C7E6AEEB075E029E@esealnt408> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1254192C94D3D411B8060008C7E6AEEB075E029E@esealnt408> Organization: Progressive Linux Consultants X-mailer-flag: Outlook? Viral infections & bugs non-stop! Use another mailer if you value your data. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Archive-Number: 200303/94 X-Sequence-Number: 2965 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Torbjörn Sagen (PAC) wanted us to know: > This footer follows nicely when sending out mails in plain text format > (or using rich text that will be converted to plain text) > However, it does not work when sending HTML mails. > I want my footer to work both with HTML and plain text mails. How can > I achieve this? Rewrite majordomo is about the only way. It was made to work with plain text messages, not multipart messages. - -- Blue skies... Todd Public key: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc P.S. Before I clicked 'send' on this composition I decided to consult the oracle, I mean Google, on the question of... --Clay Claiborne Linux kernel 2.4.19-24mdk 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.07 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE+dzf9IBT1264ScBURArlBAKCgx2GQdSq4QT8o1WVNmR1ALyuCwgCdFjxO 581ITAbmsUBauhvM6+2U6yo= =JKZh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 18 11:45:21 2003 Received: from LinuxIRC.com (wsip68-15-171-16.no.no.cox.net [68.15.171.16]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EDA195A1A for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:45:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from MyBox (tech447.com [68.15.171.17]) by LinuxIRC.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IJmBr9032300 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:48:11 -0600 Subject: reply-to not working From: techie To: Majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 18 Mar 2003 14:18:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1048015096.22624.12.camel@MyBox> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archive-Number: 200303/95 X-Sequence-Number: 2966 im a using RH 8.0 with sendmail-8.12.8-1.80 and perl-5.8.0-55 i have set up the techtalk.config file to reply_to = techtalk@tech447.com but still not getting a reply to list in the email can anyone help? thanks From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 18 14:27:43 2003 Received: from gateway.hns.com (gateway.hns.com [208.236.67.13]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9A9195A34 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from excore1.hns.com (excore1.hns.com [139.85.52.104]) by gateway.hns.com (Switch-3.0.3/Switch-3.0.0) with ESMTP id h2IMRXnL021658 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hns.com (coresun3.md.hnsnet [10.32.12.200]) by excore1.hns.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h2IMRS802013 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:27:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E779D4E.3010607@hns.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:27:26 -0500 From: Jaysheel Mehd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020920 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-Users Subject: Majorcool and Archive Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090201050001010501010504" X-Filtered: Sendmail MIME Filter v1.0.8 excore1.hns.com h2IMRS802013 X-Archive-Number: 200303/96 X-Sequence-Number: 2967 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090201050001010501010504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I am trying to implement list archiving and the search features through Majorcool. I am currently running archive on the server and the files are being listed over there. I want to these files to be displayed on web page. any clues? 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mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7311961E3 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from staffmail.colstate.edu (staffmail.ColState.EDU [168.26.193.34]) by lx2.colstate.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LLnjKG012304 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:49:45 -0500 Received: from WIND/SpoolDir by staffmail.colstate.edu (Mercury 1.48); 21 Mar 03 16:49:09 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by WIND (Mercury 1.48); 21 Mar 03 16:48:53 -0500 From: "Mack" Organization: Columbus State Univ., Columbus, Ga To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:48:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: difference in archive and archive2.pl Message-ID: <3E7B4271.17304.5195472@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Archive-Number: 200303/97 X-Sequence-Number: 2968 Hi! Just wondering...what's the difference between the files "archive" and "archive2.pl"? I found these in my majordomo folder (/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5). Thanks! mack From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Mar 22 14:26:05 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135D5195A5F for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2MMbYkc013176; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:37:34 -0600 Message-ID: <3E7CE306.9050304@sonny.org> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:26:14 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mack Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: difference in archive and archive2.pl References: <3E7B4271.17304.5195472@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3E7B4271.17304.5195472@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/98 X-Sequence-Number: 2969 Are you sure "archive" is not a directory, and "archive2.pl" is the script that builds archives in that directory? I have archive2.pl in my majordomo directory and archive.pl in a subdirectory of majordomo called Tools. The archive2.pl script is newer and a bit more sophisticated than the older Tools/archive.pl script. Dan Liston Mack wrote: > Hi! > > Just wondering...what's the difference between the files "archive" and "archive2.pl"? > I found these in my majordomo folder (/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5). > > Thanks! > mack From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 23 20:40:58 2003 Received: from daniel.liston.nu (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0C3196001 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) by daniel.liston.nu (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2O4r4kc001631; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:53:04 -0600 Message-ID: <3E7E8C7B.2040407@sonny.org> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:41:31 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mack Ragan , Majordomo Users Subject: Re: difference in archive and archive2.pl References: <20030324041005.KVBJ28028.imf43bis.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <20030324041005.KVBJ28028.imf43bis.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200303/99 X-Sequence-Number: 2970 The foldername.archive is a setting in the majordomo.cf file regarding archive location, $filedir and $filedir_suffix. You want to make sure these directories are owned by majordomo and are *not* group or world "writable". Dan Liston Mack Ragan wrote: > Yep, "archive2.pl" showed up after a default "clean" install of > Majordomo 1.94.5. I looked and found "archive" in a backup folder > of a previous install of Majordomo 1.94.5. But, the previous install > folder also included any changes made by Majorcool. So, maybe > Majorcool put "archive" there? Anyhow, I guess it's no big deal as > long as Majordomo 1.94.5 knows to use "archive2.pl" instead of "archive" > (which shows up in my /var/log/maillog, not "archive2.pl"). My > questions was prompted by my receiving emails about "foldername".archive > and permission denied on that folder. > > thanks, > mack > > > >> >> From: Daniel Liston >> Date: 2003/03/22 Sat PM 05:26:14 EST >> To: Mack >> CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >> Subject: Re: difference in archive and archive2.pl >> >> Are you sure "archive" is not a directory, and "archive2.pl" is the >> script that builds archives in that directory? >> >> I have archive2.pl in my majordomo directory and archive.pl in a >> subdirectory of majordomo called Tools. The archive2.pl script is >> newer and a bit more sophisticated than the older Tools/archive.pl >> script. >> >> Dan Liston >> >> Mack wrote: >> > Hi! >> > >> > Just wondering...what's the difference between the files "archive" and "archive2.pl"? >> > I found these in my majordomo folder (/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5). >> > >> > Thanks! >> > mack >> >> >> From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 24 12:11:36 2003 Received: from mailgate.intershop.de (mailgate.intershop.de [217.17.202.241]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89393196243 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from jahreskarenzabrechnungszeitraum.it.j.intershop.de ([10.0.88.129]) by mailgate.intershop.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OKBTr25636 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:11:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from jahreskarenzabrechnungszeitraum.it.j.intershop.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jahreskarenzabrechnungszeitraum.it.j.intershop.de (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2OKBTAf007735 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:11:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (from rainer@localhost) by jahreskarenzabrechnungszeitraum.it.j.intershop.de (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2/Submit) id h2OKBSIn007734 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:11:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:11:28 +0100 From: Rainer Sokoll To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Splitting outgoing mail in multiple instances? Message-ID: <20030324201128.GA7619@jahreskarenzabrechnungszeitraum.intershop.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Message-Flag: formatting your hard disk.... X-homepage: http://private.homepages.intershop.de/rainer X-pgp-fingerprint: A5 AC C6 70 DA 42 EB 8A 4F B3 65 31 28 C6 57 87 X-Geek-Code-1: -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- X-Geek-Code-2: Version: 3.1 X-Geek-Code-3: GCM$/C d- s: a C++ UL++++$ P->+++ L+++ E--- W+ N++ o-- K- w !O M- !V X-Geek-Code-4: PS+ PE Y+ PGP+ t- !5 X- R- tv- b+>+++ !DI D+ G e+++ h---- r+++ y+++ X-Geek-Code-5: ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ X-MimeOLE: Ole, Ole, Ole X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.9 required=100.0 tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT, USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.44 X-Archive-Number: 200303/100 X-Sequence-Number: 2971 Hi there: my setup: Home ISP +-------------------------+ +----------+ | majordomo sendmail | | sendmail | | 1.94.5 <--> 8.12.6 | UUCP | 8.12.8 | +-------------------------+ +----------+ I have one list @home; it worked fine from the very beginning. But now, I get error messages by uucp@ISP, saying: ------8<----- Message from UUCP on jengate Mon Mar 24 20:00:09 2003 Execution request failed: rmail [lots of addresses] Standard error output was: rmail: /usr/lib/sendmail ------8<----- I think this happened when the subsciber's count crossed 150 or so. All these addresses seem to be in one RCPT-TO:-line. Now for my question: is it possible to force majordomo to generate multiple mails? Or is there another way to get the mails delivered? Unfortunatlaly, I cannot see where the real problem is: majordomo. sendmail or even rmail. Any help is highly welcome, Rainer From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 24 12:55:41 2003 Received: from fortuna.host4u.net (fortuna.host4u.net [216.71.64.64]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BAF1961F0 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from MATT (cust-208-187-207-90.bbsc.net [208.187.207.90] (may be forged)) by fortuna.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OKnhd26536 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:49:43 -0600 From: "Matt Mahoney"