From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jun 1 15:16:25 2003 Received: from rhombus.bright.net (rhombus.bright.net [209.143.0.75]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB99196BD3 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KEN (rtec-ubr1-168.rtecexpress.net [209.173.173.168]) by rhombus.bright.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h51MG8Ak022929 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:16:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken Bedell" To: Subject: configuration file Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:16:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030528094326.05b6f748@mail.esson.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Archive-Number: 200306/1 X-Sequence-Number: 3205 I have majordomo set up so it seems to be serving lists, but I can't figure out three things that it seems should be obvious. 1) I want the reply to: header to have the name of the group so that when someone hits reply in their mail reader the message goes to the list. It seemed to me that I should be able to accomplish this by putting $LIST in the reply_to variable in the group.config file. 2) Then I want the subject of every message to New Connection: followed by the subject that the sender used. Again it seemed to me that I should be able to make this happen by using the variable subject_prefix. 3) Then I want to have printed at the bottom of every message information about a website where people can sign up for additional mailing lists. It seems that I should put this information into the message_footer variable. Since my lists don't seem to be influenced by changes I make to variables in the group.config file, I suspect that I am missing something completely about how to configure individual lists. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jun 1 15:43:56 2003 Received: from mail.bcpl.net (mail.bcpl.net [204.255.212.10]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D7719821B for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bcpl.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bcpl.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h51MhWUu013894; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (fold@localhost) by mail.bcpl.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id h51MhWxF013890; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:43:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.bcpl.net: fold owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:43:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Old To: Ken Bedell Cc: MAJORDOMO-USERS Subject: Re: configuration file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-Organization: BCPL.NET Internet Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@bcpl.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200306/2 X-Sequence-Number: 3206 On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:16 -0400, Ken Bedell wrote: > I have majordomo set up so it seems to be serving lists, but I can't > figure out three things that it seems should be obvious. > > 1) I want the reply to: header to have the name of the group so that > when someone hits reply in their mail reader the message goes to the > list. It seemed to me that I should be able to accomplish this by > putting $LIST in the reply_to variable in the group.config file. Try the actual list address instead: reply_to = listname@wherever.com > 2) Then I want the subject of every message to New Connection: followed > by the subject that the sender used. Again it seemed to me that I > should be able to make this happen by using the variable subject_prefix. That is done like this: subject_prefix = [listname] However, I've had trouble using strings with spaces. If you're aiming at "New Connection", try "NewConnection" instead. The brackets I've shown above are optional, but are a common way of doing it. > 3) Then I want to have printed at the bottom of every message > information about a website where people can sign up for additional > mailing lists. It seems that I should put this information into the > message_footer variable. That is done in a perl "here" statement, like this: message_footer << END - Visit the Whatever Web Site at http://www.whatever.com For removal instructions see http://www.whatever.com/lists.html - END The "-" prints a blank line. The message_footer works fine in a plain text message but doesn't work if the message is sent as a multi-part (as is the default for most mail programs these days. > Since my lists don't seem to be influenced by changes I make to > variables in the group.config file, I suspect that I am missing > something completely about how to configure individual lists. If the examples above don't work for you, then your list aliases probably don't use resend. In that case, although Majordomo handles subscribe and unsubscribe requests, it has no part in distributing list messages, Without resend, your lists are just plain old UNIX :include: losts and the .config file doesn't come into play. Post your aliases for the list so we can take a look. -- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) E-Mail: fold@bcpl.net Manager, BCPL Network Services Phone: 410-887-6180 Manager, BCPL.NET Internet Services FAX: 410-887-2091 320 York Road Towson, MD 21204 USA From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jun 1 17:02:20 2003 Received: from mail.tellurian.net (mail.tellurian.net [216.182.1.8]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD9119742A for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walt99.betan.com (home.betandata.com [216.182.19.222]) by tellurian.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.3.4) with ESMTP id ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:02:03 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20030601195933.00a3a390@popd.betan.net> X-Sender: walterbetanc@popd.betan.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:01:44 -0400 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com From: Walt Subject: Re: configuration file Cc: Chip Old In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archive-Number: 200306/3 X-Sequence-Number: 3207 Francis, dont forget to warn your users that when they hit reply, all subscribers will receive message, not the sender. Walt At 06:43 PM 6/1/03, you wrote: >On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:16 -0400, Ken Bedell wrote: > >> I have majordomo set up so it seems to be serving lists, but I can't >> figure out three things that it seems should be obvious. >> >> 1) I want the reply to: header to have the name of the group so that >> when someone hits reply in their mail reader the message goes to the >> list. It seemed to me that I should be able to accomplish this by >> putting $LIST in the reply_to variable in the group.config file. > >Try the actual list address instead: > >reply_to = listname@wherever.com > >> 2) Then I want the subject of every message to New Connection: followed >> by the subject that the sender used. Again it seemed to me that I >> should be able to make this happen by using the variable subject_prefix. > >That is done like this: > >subject_prefix = [listname] > >However, I've had trouble using strings with spaces. If you're aiming at >"New Connection", try "NewConnection" instead. The brackets I've shown >above are optional, but are a common way of doing it. > >> 3) Then I want to have printed at the bottom of every message >> information about a website where people can sign up for additional >> mailing lists. It seems that I should put this information into the >> message_footer variable. > >That is done in a perl "here" statement, like this: > >message_footer << END >- >Visit the Whatever Web Site at http://www.whatever.com >For removal instructions see http://www.whatever.com/lists.html >- >END > >The "-" prints a blank line. The message_footer works fine in a plain >text message but doesn't work if the message is sent as a multi-part (as >is the default for most mail programs these days. > >> Since my lists don't seem to be influenced by changes I make to >> variables in the group.config file, I suspect that I am missing >> something completely about how to configure individual lists. > >If the examples above don't work for you, then your list aliases probably >don't use resend. In that case, although Majordomo handles subscribe and >unsubscribe requests, it has no part in distributing list messages, >Without resend, your lists are just plain old UNIX :include: losts and the >.config file doesn't come into play. > >Post your aliases for the list so we can take a look. > >-- >Chip Old (Francis E. Old) E-Mail: fold@bcpl.net >Manager, BCPL Network Services Phone: 410-887-6180 >Manager, BCPL.NET Internet Services FAX: 410-887-2091 >320 York Road >Towson, MD 21204 USA From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jun 1 17:42:25 2003 Received: from mail.bcpl.net (mail.bcpl.net [204.255.212.10]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C030A19785B for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bcpl.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bcpl.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h520gCUu000817 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (fold@localhost) by mail.bcpl.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id h520gCa8000813 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:42:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.bcpl.net: fold owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Old To: MAJORDOMO-USERS Subject: Re: configuration file In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20030601195933.00a3a390@popd.betan.net> Message-ID: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20030601195933.00a3a390@popd.betan.net> X-Organization: BCPL.NET Internet Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@bcpl.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200306/4 X-Sequence-Number: 3208 On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:01 -0400, Walt wrote: > dont forget to warn your users that when they hit reply, all subscribers > > will receive message, not the sender. Lists for which I configure reply_to are intended as discussion groups, where replies should normally go to the list rather than to the original poster. I've found that without reply_to, too many replies go only to the original poster, defeating the purpose of the list as a tool for sharing information among a large group of people. I don't see it as my responsibility to teach list members how to use their mail programs correctly. That may be unrealistic in today's dumbed-down Internet, but I don't have time. -- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) E-Mail: fold@bcpl.net Manager, BCPL Network Services Phone: 410-887-6180 Manager, BCPL.NET Internet Services FAX: 410-887-2091 320 York Road Towson, MD 21204 USA From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jun 1 19:21:48 2003 Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D84197230 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-vcaumdh.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.89.177] helo=queernet.org) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19Mex0-0006Wn-00; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 19:21:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDAB4BA.4030705@queernet.org> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 19:21:46 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Bedell Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: configuration file References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95a5daa1092a4a38d780f4a490ca69564776905774d2ac4b7509097af26fe1b3bf5fa87d16facad0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Archive-Number: 200306/5 X-Sequence-Number: 3209 Ken Bedell wrote: >I have majordomo set up so it seems to be serving lists, but I can't figure >out three things that it seems should be obvious. > >1) I want the reply to: header to have the name of the group so that when >someone hits reply in their mail reader the message goes to the list. It >seemed to me that I should be able to accomplish this by putting $LIST in >the reply_to variable in the group.config file. > >2) Then I want the subject of every message to New Connection: followed by >the subject that the sender used. Again it seemed to me that I should be >able to make this happen by using the variable subject_prefix. > >3) Then I want to have printed at the bottom of every message information >about a website where people can sign up for additional mailing lists. It >seems that I should put this information into the message_footer variable. > >Since my lists don't seem to be influenced by changes I make to variables in >the group.config file, I suspect that I am missing something completely >about how to configure individual lists. > No, you're missing something about how to write the aliases for your MTA, and it's spelled out in the docs. If you have your list configured like this: mylist: :include:/path/to/mj/lists/mylist ...then what piece of software would ever be invoked to process the mail such that anything in the configuration file would actually ever happen? If, however, your aliases are of a form like: mylist: "|/path/to/mj/wrapper resend -h yourhost.dom.ain -l mylist mylist-users,nobody" mylist-users: :include:/path/to/mj/lists/mylist ...then the resend program gets invoked and makes all of the changes you need. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jun 1 20:26:15 2003 Received: from rhombus.bright.net (rhombus.bright.net [209.143.0.75]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604E9195A0C for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KEN (rtec-ubr1-168.rtecexpress.net [209.173.173.168]) by rhombus.bright.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h523PPAk025828; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken Bedell" To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Cc: Subject: Re: configuration file Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3EDAB4BA.4030705@queernet.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200306/6 X-Sequence-Number: 3210 Thanks Roger, I think I have my alias file set up correctly. It looks like this: UMRgroup8: "|/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l UMRgroup8 UMRgroup8-list" UMRgroup8-list: :include:/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/UMRgroup8 owner-UMRgroup8: umr UMRgroup8-owner: umr UMRgroup8-approval: umr UMRgroup8-request: "/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l UMRgroup8" It looks to me like that should process the UMRgroup8.config file that is in the /usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists directory. -----Original Message----- From: Roger B.A. Klorese [mailto:rogerk@queernet.org] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:22 PM To: Ken Bedell Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: configuration file Ken Bedell wrote: >I have majordomo set up so it seems to be serving lists, but I can't figure >out three things that it seems should be obvious. > >1) I want the reply to: header to have the name of the group so that when >someone hits reply in their mail reader the message goes to the list. It >seemed to me that I should be able to accomplish this by putting $LIST in >the reply_to variable in the group.config file. > >2) Then I want the subject of every message to New Connection: followed by >the subject that the sender used. Again it seemed to me that I should be >able to make this happen by using the variable subject_prefix. > >3) Then I want to have printed at the bottom of every message information >about a website where people can sign up for additional mailing lists. It >seems that I should put this information into the message_footer variable. > >Since my lists don't seem to be influenced by changes I make to variables in >the group.config file, I suspect that I am missing something completely >about how to configure individual lists. > No, you're missing something about how to write the aliases for your MTA, and it's spelled out in the docs. If you have your list configured like this: mylist: :include:/path/to/mj/lists/mylist ...then what piece of software would ever be invoked to process the mail such that anything in the configuration file would actually ever happen? If, however, your aliases are of a form like: mylist: "|/path/to/mj/wrapper resend -h yourhost.dom.ain -l mylist mylist-users,nobody" mylist-users: :include:/path/to/mj/lists/mylist ...then the resend program gets invoked and makes all of the changes you need. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jun 1 20:54:50 2003 Received: from wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169A9196B8D for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eds.wrenkasky.com (eds.wrenkasky.com [10.10.10.11]) by wrenkasky.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h523su0L008320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:54:57 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030601205230.02b8d500@mail.esson.net> X-Sender: ed@mail.esson.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:54:56 -0700 To: "Ken Bedell" From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: configuration file Cc: In-Reply-To: References: <3EDAB4BA.4030705@queernet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200306/7 X-Sequence-Number: 3211 How exactly are you making these changes to the config file? (Of course you checked the permissions on all the files in /usr/bin/majordomo/lists) }B->) At 11:25 PM Sunday, 6/1/2003, Ken Bedell wrote -=> >It looks to me like that should process the UMRgroup8.config file that is in >the /usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists directory. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jun 1 21:51:34 2003 Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8800196004 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-vcaumdh.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.89.177] helo=queernet.org) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19MhIB-0001IB-00; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:51:32 -0700 Message-ID: <3EDAD7E4.8000200@queernet.org> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:51:48 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us, fr-be, fr-ca, fr-fr, fr-lu, fr-mc, fr-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Bedell Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: configuration file References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95a5daa1092a4a38d780f4a490ca69564776905774d2ac4b1d7b2a341a1acc057f6699d805a1a002350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Archive-Number: 200306/8 X-Sequence-Number: 3212 Ken Bedell wrote: >Thanks Roger, I think I have my alias file set up correctly. It looks like >this: > >UMRgroup8: "|/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l UMRgroup8 >UMRgroup8-list" >UMRgroup8-list: :include:/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/UMRgroup8 >owner-UMRgroup8: umr >UMRgroup8-owner: umr >UMRgroup8-approval: umr >UMRgroup8-request: "/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l >UMRgroup8" > >It looks to me like that should process the UMRgroup8.config file that is in >the /usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists directory. > > Check to see if there are any other .config files in that directory -- like, for instance, a file called "umrgroup8.config" (all lower case) with default settings... From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 05:52:38 2003 Received: from hagus.bright.net (hagus.bright.net [209.143.0.74]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EC219ACDB for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 05:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KEN (rtec-ubr1-168.rtecexpress.net [209.173.173.168]) by hagus.bright.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h52Cb8lC014229; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:37:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken Bedell" To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Cc: Subject: Re: configuration file Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:37:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3EDAD7E4.8000200@queernet.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Archive-Number: 200306/9 X-Sequence-Number: 3213 Roger, You are great. It seems that I did have a file named umrgroup8.config. It now appears that the configuration file is being picked up. I have removed all the upper case from the aliases file and also from the file names in /lists. Now I just need to figure out how to get the configuration file set the way I want it. Thanks for all your help. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Roger B.A. Klorese [mailto:rogerk@queernet.org] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:52 AM To: Ken Bedell Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: configuration file Ken Bedell wrote: >Thanks Roger, I think I have my alias file set up correctly. It looks like >this: > >UMRgroup8: "|/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l UMRgroup8 >UMRgroup8-list" >UMRgroup8-list: :include:/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/UMRgroup8 >owner-UMRgroup8: umr >UMRgroup8-owner: umr >UMRgroup8-approval: umr >UMRgroup8-request: "/usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l >UMRgroup8" > >It looks to me like that should process the UMRgroup8.config file that is in >the /usr/bin/majordomo-1.94.5/lists directory. > > Check to see if there are any other .config files in that directory -- like, for instance, a file called "umrgroup8.config" (all lower case) with default settings... From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 08:32:15 2003 Received: from smtp2.westat.com (smtp2.westat.com [198.232.249.94]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD541980BF for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.westat.com by smtp2.westat.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.004262B4@smtp2.westat.com>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:32:10 -0400 Received: from reconnnt1.westat.com ([10.1.0.184]) by 198.232.249.94 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite for SMTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:32:08 -0400 Received: by Reconnnt1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:32:08 -0400 Message-ID: <9B425F151083D311A218009027B00EA605C47C98@Remailnt1> From: Henry Hartley To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Dealing with spam Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:33:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Archive-Number: 200306/10 X-Sequence-Number: 3214 I've got two possibly related questions: 1) I manage a small server with a few small lists on it. They are small, private lists. For instance, I've got two "family" lists that let my brothers, parents, etc. keep in touch without everyone having to keep track of all the addresses. Somehow, the address for one of these lists has made its way onto one or more SPAM lists. At least 15 SPAM messages every day are sent to this address. Although it doesn't affect the rest of the list members, because they never see them, I get notifications from majordomo about "Non-member submissions from ..." Is there any way to tell MD just to throw them out without sending me mail about them? 2) It seems that SPAM is being sent to majordomo@mydomain.com (domain name changed to protect the innocent). Majordomo responds with a message containing the original text and after each line the line: "**** Command '' not recognized." Since much SPAM is sent with invalid return addresses, these responses are not getting to anyone. Instead, they bounce to me, as mail admin. These, in particular, I probably don't need to see. Last week, this happened and the mail sent by MD was returned because the mailbox at the other end had filled up. Majordomo (or possibly sendmail?) kept trying to send them. My mailbox filled up with these notices (over 5,000 of them) and the mqueue directory filled up with queued messages. My 500 MB /var partition filled up turning this into a mild but annoying sort of DNS attack. My lists are small enough that people get in touch with me directly if they have a problem so I'd like for these messages to go into /dev/null or something. Suggestions? -- Henry From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 10:08:15 2003 Received: from smtp-4.llnl.gov (smtp-4.llnl.gov [128.115.41.84]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D3B196027 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-4.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.6 $) with ESMTP id h52H7xkI010512 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evsion$) with ESMTP id h52H7xfY009025 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from deb@localhost) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h52H7xVZ009024 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:07:59 -0700 From: Deb To: Majordomo Users Subject: which command taking 20+ minutes to return Message-ID: <20030602170759.GA8982@tickleme.llnl.gov> Reply-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Archive-Number: 200306/11 X-Sequence-Number: 3215 I'm running 1.94.5 plus various patches to majordomo. We have about 1000 lists. Running on Solaris 5.6 E450, 2G memory. Before upgrading from 1.94.4, with no patches, the which command would take only a few minutes to return. After the upgrade, it's taking 20+ minutes. I've had some reports form listowners that it takes 30 minutes. I see that the Log only has an entry AFTER the which request is processed. How would I turn on greater verbosity of logging to understand what majordomo is doing on this time? It would be great if it logged when the command came in, then when the command was completed, but it doesn't. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, deb -- o _ _ _ _o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) _< \_ _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ (_)>(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 10:28:59 2003 Received: from rccgate.rcc.org (rccgate.rcc.org [207.250.93.195]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678A6196C33 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rccgate.rcc.org; id NAA24557; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rccutil.rcc.org(199.120.132.102) by rccgate.rcc.org via smap (V4.2) id xma024521; Mon, 2 Jun 03 13:26:25 -0400 Received: by RCCUTIL.rcc.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Jolley, Carl" To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: which command taking 20+ minutes to return Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:26:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Archive-Number: 200306/12 X-Sequence-Number: 3216 -----Original Message----- From: Deb Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:08 PM To: Majordomo Users Subject: which command taking 20+ minutes to return I'm running 1.94.5 plus various patches to majordomo. We have about 1000 lists. Running on Solaris 5.6 E450, 2G memory. Before upgrading from 1.94.4, with no patches, the which command would take only a few minutes to return. After the upgrade, it's taking 20+ minutes. I've had some reports form listowners that it takes 30 minutes. I see that the Log only has an entry AFTER the which request is processed. How would I turn on greater verbosity of logging to understand what majordomo is doing on this time? It would be great if it logged when the command came in, then when the command was completed, but it doesn't. Any help would be appreciated. ------------------------------ The /etc/mail/maillog should show you when the message arrived. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 10:55:05 2003 Received: from smtp-4.llnl.gov (smtp-4.llnl.gov [128.115.41.84]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663BF196926 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-4.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.6 $) with ESMTP id h52HstOC017789; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evsion$) with ESMTP id h52HstfY009431; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from deb@localhost) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h52Hstdt009430; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:54:55 -0700 From: Deb To: "Jolley, Carl" Cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: which command taking 20+ minutes to return Message-ID: <20030602175454.GA9341@tickleme.llnl.gov> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Archive-Number: 200306/13 X-Sequence-Number: 3217 Jolley, Carl had this to say, > The /etc/mail/maillog should show you when the message > arrived. If you're talking about where we log incoming/outgoing sendmail messages, done that. It's not the issue. I know that majordomo is getting the message. For example, I ran a test and sent a which username@dom.ain at 09:58, it arrive majordomo almost instantaneously, in the processes (top and ps, I saw that majordomo was processing the request. It processed until 10:36 when it finally sent a response. I need to see what it is doing, and find a way to make it more efficient. Hmmmm... I just thought of something. I'm going to try using the "lsof" utility (this utility lists open files on a processes). Perhaps that will illuminate what is happening... Still, if anyone has been through the code on this, please speak up! :-) deb -- o _ _ _ _o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) _< \_ _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ (_)>(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 12:08:37 2003 Received: from smtp2.westat.com (smtp2.westat.com [198.232.249.94]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A1919662A for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.westat.com by smtp2.westat.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.004275E7@smtp2.westat.com>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:08:34 -0400 Received: from reconnnt1.westat.com ([10.1.0.184]) by 198.232.249.94 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite for SMTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:08:33 -0400 Received: by Reconnnt1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:08:33 -0400 Message-ID: <9B425F151083D311A218009027B00EA605C47CA0@Remailnt1> From: Henry Hartley To: "'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'" Subject: FW: Dealing with spam Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:10:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Archive-Number: 200306/14 X-Sequence-Number: 3218 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jolley, Carl [mailto:Carl.Jolley@cincinnati-oh.gov] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:13 PM > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Henry Hartley > >> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:34 AM > >> > >> I've got two possibly related questions: > >> > >> > >> > >> My lists are small enough that people get in touch with me > >> directly if they have a problem so I'd like for these messages to > >> go into /dev/null or something. Suggestions? > >> > ------------------------------------------- > One possible solution is procmail. It could catch e-mails from > anyone not authorized and send them to /dev/null or store them in a > file that you could periodicly review. Yes, procmail looks like just the thing. Thanks. -- Henry From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 13:25:56 2003 Received: from ns1.lakenet.org (unknown [204.253.93.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962C6197293 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fire ([204.253.93.8]) by ns1.lakenet.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h52KQxUu009316 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Catharine Robertson" To: Subject: how to run 'make wrapper' Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:24:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Archive-Number: 200306/15 X-Sequence-Number: 3219 Greetings, I'm installing majordomo 1.94.5 on a Sun box running Solaris 9 and Sendmail, but I don't think that's important to my question, actually. I've read the README and INSTALL files, and the FAQ on the web site, and I can't figure out how to "run a 'make wrapper'". That is my next step in a clean installation, and I'm stumped. Would some kind soul please tell me how to execute this command, and where? I'm afraid of blindly trying guesses for fear I'll muck something up and have to start over. My first guess is ./wrapper [some switch or variable] in the directory where I untarred the files, but some guidance would be much appreciated. Many thanks, Catharine From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 13:52:12 2003 Received: from iris.jgsullivan.com (iris.jgsullivan.com [65.207.223.139]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2650B1973C8 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jgsullivan.com (maximus.jgsullivan.com [205.162.11.3]) by iris.jgsullivan.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h52Kox712186; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:50:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EDBB8B3.EB294F4B@jgsullivan.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:50:59 -0500 From: Conor Casey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: croberts@lakenet.org Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: how to run 'make wrapper' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/16 X-Sequence-Number: 3220 Hi Catherine, you should cd to teh directory where you downloaded and untar'd majordomoe, lets say /opt/Majordomo. This is where you want to type make wrapper. The make file i used is located at /usr/ccs/bin/make if thats what your having trouble locating? Conor Catharine Robertson wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm installing majordomo 1.94.5 on a Sun box running Solaris 9 and Sendmail, > but I don't think that's important to my question, actually. > > I've read the README and INSTALL files, and the FAQ on the web site, and I > can't figure out how to "run a 'make wrapper'". That is my next step in a > clean installation, and I'm stumped. > > Would some kind soul please tell me how to execute this command, and where? > I'm afraid of blindly trying guesses for fear I'll muck something up and > have to start over. My first guess is > > ./wrapper [some switch or variable] > > in the directory where I untarred the files, but some guidance would be much > appreciated. > > Many thanks, > Catharine From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 15:20:54 2003 Received: from smtp-4.llnl.gov (smtp-4.llnl.gov [128.115.41.84]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA0C1968FD for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-4.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.6 $) with ESMTP id h52MKK1u022788; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evsion$) with ESMTP id h52MKEfY011840; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from deb@localhost) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h52MK9U8011837; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:20:09 -0700 From: Deb To: Rainer Sokoll Cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: which command taking 20+ minutes to return Message-ID: <20030602222009.GA11694@tickleme.llnl.gov> References: <20030602175454.GA9341@tickleme.llnl.gov> <20030602212759.GE11201@jahreskarenzabrechnungszeitraum.intershop.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030602212759.GE11201@jahreskarenzabrechnungszeitraum.intershop.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Archive-Number: 200306/17 X-Sequence-Number: 3221 end Rainer, thanks for the idea about do_which - I'm looking at that next. Okay, more info here - 1. I'm also seeing (Grrrr!) this in the syslog: timeout waiting for input from local during Draining Input syslog entry is: Jun 2 10:00:53 sendmail[11587]: h52Gwq4q011587: timeout waiting for input from local during Draining Input I googled the timeout phrase and found some interesting, but not very helpful data points relating to sendmail and majordomo. We are running 8.12.3, and we're looking at timeouts, but none of the timeouts mentioned in the majordomo list archives seem to relate to this problem. Any sendmail wizards out there that could point us to something to try? 2. When majordomo receives the which command, a majordomo process is running at about 90% CPU for as long as 37 minutes on the last test. Load averages, however, only go up to around 1.9 / 2.5 / 2.5. We didn't experience this problem with the older 'domo installation, same sendmail config. Shaking my head... deb Rainer Sokoll had this to say, > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 10:54:55AM -0700, Deb wrote: > > > I need to see what it is doing, and find a way to make it more efficient. > > In majordomo (here installed in /usr/lib/majordomo/), there is a > subroutine do_which. Maybe you can put some breakpoints or debugging > output in there? > > > Hmmmm... I just thought of something. I'm going to try using the "lsof" > > utility (this utility lists open files on a processes). Perhaps that will > > illuminate what is happening... > > Or better truss (1). > > Rainer > -- > Applause, n: > The echo of a platitude from the mouth of a fool. > (Ambrose Bierce) -- o _ _ _ _o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) _< \_ _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ (_)>(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 16:17:58 2003 Received: from sonny.com (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F10B195A42 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org ([192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h52NHoOB012804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:17:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDBDB50.5050608@sonny.org> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:18:40 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Deb Cc: "Jolley, Carl" , Majordomo Users Subject: Re: which command taking 20+ minutes to return References: <20030602175454.GA9341@tickleme.llnl.gov> In-Reply-To: <20030602175454.GA9341@tickleme.llnl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/18 X-Sequence-Number: 3222 Hi, What happens when majordomo tries to process a which command, is that it must open every list scanning/grep'ing for a match to the string provided as the argument. If your lists are large and numerous, this can be a major hit on your resources. If you have not applied the patch to close the "@" hole in which, which will act like a global who command. Even editing the majordomo.cf to change the value to $max_which_hits, does not prevent majordomo from searching ALL your lists. In fact, majordomo will simply spew error messages about max hits exeeded until it has dutifully checked every list on your system. To put numbers to the timings, IF it took majordomo one second per list to open, scan, close, and report a match if found, processing 100 lists would take 1000 seconds or just under 17 minutes. Of course, if you are already under heavy IO or CPU bottle neck, majordomo just compounds the problem. Dan Liston Deb wrote: > Jolley, Carl had this to say, > >> The /etc/mail/maillog should show you when the message >> arrived. > > If you're talking about where we log incoming/outgoing sendmail messages, > done that. It's not the issue. I know that majordomo is getting the message. > > For example, I ran a test and sent a which username@dom.ain at 09:58, it > arrive majordomo almost instantaneously, in the processes (top and ps, I saw > that majordomo was processing the request. It processed until 10:36 when it > finally sent a response. > > I need to see what it is doing, and find a way to make it more efficient. > > Hmmmm... I just thought of something. I'm going to try using the "lsof" > utility (this utility lists open files on a processes). Perhaps that will > illuminate what is happening... > > Still, if anyone has been through the code on this, please speak up! :-) > > deb > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 16:38:36 2003 Received: from smtp-3.llnl.gov (smtp-3.llnl.gov [128.115.41.83]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C58D197241 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-3.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.3 $) with ESMTP id h52NbiCj016539; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evsion$) with ESMTP id h52NbifY012517; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from deb@localhost) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h52Nbib5012516; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:37:44 -0700 From: Deb To: Daniel Liston Cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Good News - Found problem (was: which command taking 20+ min to return) Message-ID: <20030602233744.GA12341@tickleme.llnl.gov> References: <20030602175454.GA9341@tickleme.llnl.gov> <3EDBDB50.5050608@sonny.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EDBDB50.5050608@sonny.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Archive-Number: 200306/19 X-Sequence-Number: 3223 Hi Dan, Thanks. Please see comments, inline: Daniel Liston had this to say, > Hi, > > What happens when majordomo tries to process a which command, is that it > must open every list scanning/grep'ing for a match to the string provided > as the argument. If your lists are large and numerous, this can be a major > hit on your resources. If you have not applied the patch to close the > "@" hole in which, which will act like a global who command. Even editing Fortunately, that patch is in place. > the majordomo.cf to change the value to $max_which_hits, does not prevent > majordomo from searching ALL your lists. In fact, majordomo will simply > spew error messages about max hits exeeded until it has dutifully checked > every list on your system. Interesting - didn't know that. Yick. > To put numbers to the timings, IF it took majordomo one second per list > to open, scan, close, and report a match if found, processing 100 lists > would take 1000 seconds or just under 17 minutes. Of course, if you are > already under heavy IO or CPU bottle neck, majordomo just compounds the > problem. Here's da scoop: Majordomo is handing off info to sendmail before it has completed getting the data. I don't think this is a good thing, but I'd have to research the code a bit more. What was happening is that sendmail was waiting for majordomo to finish handing off the info, and went into a delay. This delay was noted in the mail log as, timeout waiting for input from local during Draining Input What I found this afternoon, after chasing majordomo and sendmail around like a herd of cats, was that there were 4 **HUGE** files (about 4-6GB) which had somehow come to be residing in the Lists directory on the 'domo server. Just how those files came to be there, (named quote, quote2, quote3, quote4) is still a mystery for the moment, but once moved out of the directory, the response time to a which command is now back to it's normal 3 minutes or so. Is it the weekend, yet? So, thanks everyone - I learned some useful troubleshooting tips in the process of tracking this down. deb > > Deb wrote: > >Jolley, Carl had this to say, > > > >>The /etc/mail/maillog should show you when the message > >>arrived. > > > >If you're talking about where we log incoming/outgoing sendmail messages, > >done that. It's not the issue. I know that majordomo is getting the > >message. > > > >For example, I ran a test and sent a which username@dom.ain at 09:58, it > >arrive majordomo almost instantaneously, in the processes (top and ps, I > >saw > >that majordomo was processing the request. It processed until 10:36 when > >it > >finally sent a response. > > > >I need to see what it is doing, and find a way to make it more efficient. > > > >Hmmmm... I just thought of something. I'm going to try using the "lsof" > >utility (this utility lists open files on a processes). Perhaps that will > >illuminate what is happening... > > > >Still, if anyone has been through the code on this, please speak up! :-) > > > >deb > > > > > -- o _ _ _ _o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) _< \_ _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ (_)>(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 20:38:58 2003 Received: from diablo.pimpworks.org (diablo.pimpworks.org [12.20.154.10]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6FB1978C5 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 20:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (adsl-157-42-26.rdu.bellsouth.net [68.157.42.26]) by diablo.pimpworks.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h533cch6006409 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:38:38 -0400 From: Jeff Workman To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Problems with 8.12.x Message-ID: <59430000.1054611518@mustang.rdu.pimpworks.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Archive-Number: 200306/20 X-Sequence-Number: 3224 I'm having problems getting majordomo (1.94.5) to work. I've seen that others have had this problem in the past, but unless I've missed something, none of the fixes for the others' problems has fixed mine. Here's the log message I get: Jun 2 23:27:49 diablo sendmail[6346]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(majordomo): can not write to queue directory /var/spool/clientmqueue/ (RunAsGid=0, required=32765): Permission denied All the pertinent information I can think of: diablo# ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail -r-xr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 907467 Mar 3 14:55 /usr/sbin/sendmail diablo# ls -ld /var/spool/clientmqueue drwxrwx--- 2 smmsp smmsp 512 Jun 2 03:19 /var/spool/clientmqueue diablo# ls -l /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper -rwsr-xr-x 1 root daemon 17530 Jun 29 2001 /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper diablo# grep smmsp /etc/passwd smmsp:*:32765:6::/dev/null:/sbin/nologin diablo# grep majordomo /etc/passwd majordomo:*:10:1:&:/usr/local/majordomo:/sbin/nologin diablo# grep smmsp /etc/group smmsp:*:32765: diablo# uname -sr NetBSD 1.5.2 Majordomo has also been added as a trusted user to sendmail.cf Any ideas? -J -- Jeff Workman | jworkman@pimpworks.org | http://www.pimpworks.org From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 21:09:16 2003 Received: from mail2.hku.hk (ccnetbkup.hku.hk [147.8.2.96]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A11E1976E1 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kenneth (pc1.cc.hku.hk [147.8.96.86]) by mail2.hku.hk (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with SMTP id h5346tMd007306; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:06:56 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <017f01c32985$da920e20$56600893@kenneth> From: "Kenneth" To: "Jeff Workman" , References: <59430000.1054611518@mustang.rdu.pimpworks.org> Subject: Re: Problems with 8.12.x Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:08:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MailScanner: 0 X-Archive-Number: 200306/21 X-Sequence-Number: 3225 It looks like you are running sendmail as groupid=0 In your /etc/passwd file, smmsp uid is 32765 and groupid is 6 while smmsp groupid is 32765 in /etc/group. Try changing the group of smmsp to 32765 in /etc/passwd. You can also try changing runAs of /usr/sbin/sendmail to root, i.e. chmod 4555 /usr/sbin/sendmail , but this may not a good idea if you have security concern. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Workman" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:38 AM Subject: Problems with 8.12.x I'm having problems getting majordomo (1.94.5) to work. I've seen that others have had this problem in the past, but unless I've missed something, none of the fixes for the others' problems has fixed mine. Here's the log message I get: Jun 2 23:27:49 diablo sendmail[6346]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(majordomo): can not write to queue directory /var/spool/clientmqueue/ (RunAsGid=0, required=32765): Permission denied All the pertinent information I can think of: diablo# ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail -r-xr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 907467 Mar 3 14:55 /usr/sbin/sendmail diablo# ls -ld /var/spool/clientmqueue drwxrwx--- 2 smmsp smmsp 512 Jun 2 03:19 /var/spool/clientmqueue diablo# ls -l /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper -rwsr-xr-x 1 root daemon 17530 Jun 29 2001 /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper diablo# grep smmsp /etc/passwd smmsp:*:32765:6::/dev/null:/sbin/nologin diablo# grep majordomo /etc/passwd majordomo:*:10:1:&:/usr/local/majordomo:/sbin/nologin diablo# grep smmsp /etc/group smmsp:*:32765: diablo# uname -sr NetBSD 1.5.2 Majordomo has also been added as a trusted user to sendmail.cf Any ideas? -J -- Jeff Workman | jworkman@pimpworks.org | http://www.pimpworks.org From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 2 21:23:21 2003 Received: from diablo.pimpworks.org (diablo.pimpworks.org [12.20.154.10]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8451961B5 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (adsl-157-42-26.rdu.bellsouth.net [68.157.42.26]) by diablo.pimpworks.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h534NELj006668; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 00:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 00:23:14 -0400 From: Jeff Workman To: Kenneth , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Problems with 8.12.x Message-ID: <71840000.1054614193@mustang.rdu.pimpworks.org> In-Reply-To: <017f01c32985$da920e20$56600893@kenneth> References: <59430000.1054611518@mustang.rdu.pimpworks.org> <017f01c32985$da920e20$56600893@kenneth> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Archive-Number: 200306/22 X-Sequence-Number: 3226 w00t! Changing the GID in /etc/passwd fixed the problem. I knew I was missing something obvious. Thanks! -J Stoned koalas drooled eucalyptus spit in awe as Kenneth exclaimed: > It looks like you are running sendmail as groupid=0 > In your /etc/passwd file, smmsp uid is 32765 and > groupid is 6 while smmsp groupid is 32765 in /etc/group. > > Try changing the group of smmsp to 32765 in /etc/passwd. > > You can also try changing runAs of /usr/sbin/sendmail > to root, i.e. chmod 4555 /usr/sbin/sendmail , but > this may not a good idea if you have security concern. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Workman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:38 AM > Subject: Problems with 8.12.x > > > I'm having problems getting majordomo (1.94.5) to work. I've seen that > others have had this problem in the past, but unless I've missed > something, none of the fixes for the others' problems has fixed mine. > Here's the log message I get: > > Jun 2 23:27:49 diablo sendmail[6346]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(majordomo): can not > write to queue directory /var/spool/clientmqueue/ (RunAsGid=0, > required=32765): Permission denied > > All the pertinent information I can think of: > > diablo# ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail > -r-xr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 907467 Mar 3 14:55 /usr/sbin/sendmail > diablo# ls -ld /var/spool/clientmqueue > drwxrwx--- 2 smmsp smmsp 512 Jun 2 03:19 /var/spool/clientmqueue > diablo# ls -l /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root daemon 17530 Jun 29 2001 > /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper diablo# grep smmsp /etc/passwd > smmsp:*:32765:6::/dev/null:/sbin/nologin > diablo# grep majordomo /etc/passwd > majordomo:*:10:1:&:/usr/local/majordomo:/sbin/nologin > diablo# grep smmsp /etc/group > smmsp:*:32765: > diablo# uname -sr > NetBSD 1.5.2 > > Majordomo has also been added as a trusted user to sendmail.cf > > Any ideas? > > -J > > -- > Jeff Workman | jworkman@pimpworks.org | http://www.pimpworks.org -- Jeff Workman | jworkman@pimpworks.org | http://www.pimpworks.org From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 3 07:12:46 2003 Received: from ns1.lakenet.org (unknown [204.253.93.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8385D198AB6 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fire ([204.253.93.8]) by ns1.lakenet.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h53CsAUu012669; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Catharine Robertson" To: Cc: Subject: Re: how to run 'make wrapper' Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:51:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030602214016.GF11201@jahreskarenzabrechnungszeitraum.intershop.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200306/23 X-Sequence-Number: 3227 I do have a c compiler (and perl) but have never used it, quite obviously. It's true that I don't know what I'm doing--that's why I joined the list and asked a question. My apologies if I offended your sensibilities as an expert. I'll probably be asking other questions. I hope that won't be a problem. Thanks for the url. I was aware of it, but don't know if I need it or what for. Catharine -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Sokoll [mailto:R.Sokoll@intershop.de] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 5:40 PM To: Conor Casey Cc: croberts@lakenet.org; majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: how to run 'make wrapper' On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 03:50:59PM -0500, Conor Casey wrote: > Hi Catherine, you should cd to teh directory where you downloaded and untar'd > majordomoe, lets say /opt/Majordomo. This is where you want to type make wrapper. The > make file i used is located at /usr/ccs/bin/make if thats what your having trouble > locating? I bet Catherine will also need an compiler... And automake. And autoconf. And perl. Andandand... http://www.sunfreeware.com/ is your friend. Rainer From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 3 07:14:58 2003 Received: from eising.k-net.dk (eising.k-net.dtu.dk [130.225.71.229]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E761992A6 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psykose.nybro.dk (psykose.nybro.dk [192.38.222.3]) by eising.k-net.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91306C2FC for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:53:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r58 (r58.nybro.dk [192.38.222.49]) by psykose.nybro.dk (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h53Dt41u014068 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:55:04 +0200 From: "Thomas Hanson" To: Subject: how do I bounce "message too long" back to the sender instead of to listowner? Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:52:49 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c329d7$6b985a40$31de26c0@r58> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C329E8.2F212A40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Archive-Number: 200306/24 X-Sequence-Number: 3228 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C329E8.2F212A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have a limit on all of our internal mail lists, and nothing that is larger gets approved. Therefore, We would like to bounce "Message too long (>51200 chars)" messages back to the sender instead of the mail list owner, all other forms for posible approval must continue to go to the list owner. Can this be done ? if so how? Thanks Thomas ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C329E8.2F212A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
We = have a=20 limit on all of our internal mail lists, and nothing that is larger gets=20 approved. Therefore, We would like to bounce "Message too long (>= 51200=20 chars)" messages back to the sender instea= d of=20 the mail list owner, all other forms for posible approval must continue to = go to=20 the list owner. Can this be done ? if so how?
 
Thanks
Thomas
 
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C329E8.2F212A40-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 3 07:16:17 2003 Received: from ns1.lakenet.org (unknown [204.253.93.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656E0198B10 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fire ([204.253.93.8]) by ns1.lakenet.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h53Cw0Uu012718; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Catharine Robertson" To: "Conor Casey" Cc: Subject: Re: how to run 'make wrapper' Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3EDBB8B3.EB294F4B@jgsullivan.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200306/25 X-Sequence-Number: 3229 Conor, I should've run it before I responded to you a few minutes ago, because I got an error: # /path/to/make wrapper gcc -DBIN=\"/export/home/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5\" -DPATH=\"PATH=/bin:/us r/bi n:/usr/ucb\" -DHOME=\"HOME=/export/home/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5\" -DSHELL= \"SH ELL=/bin/sh\" -DMAJORDOMO_CF=\"MAJORDOMO_CF=/export/home/majordom/majordomo- 1.94 .5/majordomo.cf\" -DPOSIX_UID=123 -DPOSIX_GID=45 -o wrapper wrapper.c make: gcc: Command not found make: *** [wrapper] Error 127 I assume that I've specified the c compiler wrong in the makefile, so I'll look at that part. # What do you call your C compiler? CC = gcc gcc is in fact the name of the c compiler I use. Do I have to do anything to the compiler before I can direct Majordomo to use it? The server is only a few weeks old, with a new OS (Solaris 9 on SPARC), so if the c compiler needs any prep before it can be used, it hasn't been done. Perhaps I'm better off asking in gnu.gcc.help? Thanks, Catharine -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Conor Casey Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 4:51 PM To: croberts@lakenet.org Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: how to run 'make wrapper' Hi Catherine, you should cd to teh directory where you downloaded and untar'd majordomoe, lets say /opt/Majordomo. This is where you want to type make wrapper. The make file i used is located at /usr/ccs/bin/make if thats what your having trouble locating? Conor Catharine Robertson wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm installing majordomo 1.94.5 on a Sun box running Solaris 9 and Sendmail, > but I don't think that's important to my question, actually. > > I've read the README and INSTALL files, and the FAQ on the web site, and I > can't figure out how to "run a 'make wrapper'". That is my next step in a > clean installation, and I'm stumped. > > Would some kind soul please tell me how to execute this command, and where? > I'm afraid of blindly trying guesses for fear I'll muck something up and > have to start over. My first guess is > > ./wrapper [some switch or variable] > > in the directory where I untarred the files, but some guidance would be much > appreciated. > > Many thanks, > Catharine From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 3 10:13:24 2003 Received: from ns1.lakenet.org (unknown [204.253.93.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DFF198C26 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fire ([204.253.93.8]) by ns1.lakenet.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h53GMvUu013876 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Catharine Robertson" To: Subject: make install cannot find perl Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:19:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200306/26 X-Sequence-Number: 3230 Rainer kindly helped me off-list with my make wrapper problem, and then we hit a stumbling block I'm hoping someone else may be able to help me figure out. I ran make install and got an error saying I'd incorrectly specified where perl is on my server. Yet I see perl in /usr/local/bin/perl. (It seems I have two versions of perl installed under that directory, 5.6.1, and 5.00503.) When I did pkginfo | grep perl I got #pkginfo | grep perl # It seems to say I have no instance of perl, and yet I know I do. Can anyone offer tips about why the install wouldn't find perl even when I tell it where it is? Thanks, Catharine From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 3 10:46:26 2003 Received: from smtp1.cavtel.net (smtp1.cavtel.net [209.137.171.22]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C1D19AE57 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ceit (64-83-12-70-static-dsl-ric.cavtel.net [64.83.12.70]) by smtp1.cavtel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 87F7D4C3D5 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301c329e9$4c1b9260$ca07a8c0@ceit> From: "Jason Jacobs" To: Subject: editing welcomd email Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:00:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C329C7.C3617280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Archive-Number: 200306/27 X-Sequence-Number: 3231 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C329C7.C3617280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all. I'm looking for the config file or at least the variable to edi= t so I can change the way the "welcome" email looks for my list. I've poke= d around for a while and can't find it. If y'all could give a hint, that w= ould be much appreciated. Thanks! cheers -jason ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C329C7.C3617280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all.  I'm looking for the confi= g file or=20 at least the variable to edit so I can change the way the "welcome" email l= ooks=20 for my list.  I've poked around for a while and can't find it.  I= f=20 y'all could give a hint, that would be much appreciated. =20 Thanks!
 
cheers
-jason
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C329C7.C3617280-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 3 11:41:48 2003 Received: from mail.bcpl.net (mail.bcpl.net [204.255.212.10]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9251219976C for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bcpl.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bcpl.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53IIBUu024401 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (fold@localhost) by mail.bcpl.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id h53IIBV2024393 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:18:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.bcpl.net: fold owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:18:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Old To: MAJORDOMO-USERS Subject: Re: make install cannot find perl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-Organization: BCPL.NET Internet Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@bcpl.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200306/28 X-Sequence-Number: 3232 On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:19 -0400, Catharine Robertson wrote to...: > I ran make install and got an error saying I'd incorrectly specified > where perl is on my server. Yet I see perl in /usr/local/bin/perl. (It > seems I have two versions of perl installed under that directory, 5.6.1, > and 5.00503.) You need to specify the complete path to perl, including the executable itself. So, if /usr/local/bin/perl is a directory and within that directory you have perl.5.00503 and perl.5.6.1, then the complete path is /usr/local/bin/perl/perl.5.6.1 (or /usr/local/bin/perl/perl.5.00503 if for some reason you prefer the older version). A better long-term solution is to create a symbolic link pointing to the perl executable: cd /usr/local/bin ln -s /usr/local/bin/perl/perl.5.6.1 perl That will create a link named "perl" in /usr/local/bin. Now make sure all of Majordomo's perl scripts have this at the top: #!/usr/local/bin/perl They probably already do by default. The advantage is that now perl can be reached in a standard locatiuon that is (probably) in your command path. When/if you ever upgrade to a newer version of perl, just delete the "perl" link in /usr/local/bin and create a new one pointing to the new executable. Saves you and all your perl users from having to change that top "#!/path/to/perl" line in all your scripts. -- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) E-Mail: fold@bcpl.net Manager, BCPL Network Services Phone: 410-887-6180 Manager, BCPL.NET Internet Services FAX: 410-887-2091 320 York Road Towson, MD 21204 USA From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 3 11:43:31 2003 Received: from smtp-3.llnl.gov (smtp-3.llnl.gov [128.115.41.83]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A59198D54 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-3.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.3 $) with ESMTP id h53IEHEg015215; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evsion$) with ESMTP id h53IEGfY020133; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from deb@localhost) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h53IEGhS020132; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:14:16 -0700 From: Deb To: Thomas Hanson Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: how do I bounce "message too long" back to the sender instead of to listowner? Message-ID: <20030603181416.GA20112@tickleme.llnl.gov> Reply-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com References: <000201c329d7$6b985a40$31de26c0@r58> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000201c329d7$6b985a40$31de26c0@r58> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Archive-Number: 200306/29 X-Sequence-Number: 3233 While I'm not too familiar with all the patches myself, there may be something that would work for you. And all the better, if you know a little perl. Why don't you check out the patch repository? It's at: ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/ Let us know if you find something that does the trick. deb Thomas Hanson had this to say, > We have a limit on all of our internal mail lists, and nothing that is > larger gets approved. Therefore, We would like to bounce "Message too long > (>51200 chars)" messages back to the sender instead of the mail list owner, > all other forms for posible approval must continue to go to the list owner. > Can this be done ? if so how? > > Thanks > Thomas > -- o _ _ _ _o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) _< \_ _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ (_)>(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 3 14:02:07 2003 Received: from sonny.com (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F4D196C08 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org ([192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h53L21OB019758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:02:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDD0CF7.5040403@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:02:47 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: croberts@lakenet.org Cc: Conor Casey , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: how to run 'make wrapper' References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/30 X-Sequence-Number: 3234 Unless gcc is in your working PATH environment, you must fully specify the location, such as /usr/local/bin/gcc (or where ever your gcc is actually located). If gcc is not in /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb, you might also want to add that path to W_PATH in the Makefile. I use; W_PATH = /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/ucb I recently upgraded my old ultra-5 to Solaris 9, and I do not have gcc installed. However, on my Solaris 8 based ultra-10, with the gcc pkg added, I do have /usr/local/bin/gcc. I hope this helps. Dan Liston Catharine Robertson wrote: > Conor, I should've run it before I responded to you a few minutes ago, > because I got an error: > > # /path/to/make wrapper > gcc -DBIN=\"/export/home/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5\" -DPATH=\"PATH=/bin:/us > r/bi > n:/usr/ucb\" -DHOME=\"HOME=/export/home/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5\" -DSHELL= > \"SH > ELL=/bin/sh\" -DMAJORDOMO_CF=\"MAJORDOMO_CF=/export/home/majordom/majordomo- > 1.94 > .5/majordomo.cf\" -DPOSIX_UID=123 -DPOSIX_GID=45 -o wrapper wrapper.c > make: gcc: Command not found > make: *** [wrapper] Error 127 > > I assume that I've specified the c compiler wrong in the makefile, so I'll > look at that part. > > # What do you call your C compiler? > CC = gcc > > gcc is in fact the name of the c compiler I use. Do I have to do anything to > the compiler before I can direct Majordomo to use it? The server is only a > few weeks old, with a new OS (Solaris 9 on SPARC), so if the c compiler > needs any prep before it can be used, it hasn't been done. Perhaps I'm > better off asking in gnu.gcc.help? > > Thanks, > Catharine > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Conor Casey > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 4:51 PM > To: croberts@lakenet.org > Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: how to run 'make wrapper' > > > Hi Catherine, you should cd to teh directory where you downloaded and > untar'd > majordomoe, lets say /opt/Majordomo. This is where you want to type make > wrapper. The > make file i used is located at /usr/ccs/bin/make if thats what your having > trouble > locating? > > Conor > > > Catharine Robertson wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> I'm installing majordomo 1.94.5 on a Sun box running Solaris 9 and > Sendmail, >> but I don't think that's important to my question, actually. >> >> I've read the README and INSTALL files, and the FAQ on the web site, and I >> can't figure out how to "run a 'make wrapper'". That is my next step in a >> clean installation, and I'm stumped. >> >> Would some kind soul please tell me how to execute this command, and > where? >> I'm afraid of blindly trying guesses for fear I'll muck something up and >> have to start over. My first guess is >> >> ./wrapper [some switch or variable] >> >> in the directory where I untarred the files, but some guidance would be > much >> appreciated. >> >> Many thanks, >> Catharine > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 3 14:16:07 2003 Received: from sonny.com (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9961984A3 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org ([192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h53LFZOB019827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:15:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDD1025.4000309@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:16:21 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Jacobs Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: editing welcomd email References: <001301c329e9$4c1b9260$ca07a8c0@ceit> In-Reply-To: <001301c329e9$4c1b9260$ca07a8c0@ceit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/31 X-Sequence-Number: 3235 The default welcome is actually embedded within the majordomo script. When editing this script, search for ^sub welcome. There is also a patch that will send only the listname.intro file which gives you a much easier way to create/edit welcome messages. Dan Liston Jason Jacobs wrote: > Hello all. I'm looking for the config file or at least the variable to > edit so I can change the way the "welcome" email looks for my list. > I've poked around for a while and can't find it. If y'all could give a > hint, that would be much appreciated. Thanks! > > cheers > -jason From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 3 18:06:40 2003 Received: from sonny.com (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85912196D13 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maxima ([192.168.1.20]) by sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5416BOA022117 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 20:06:11 -0500 Received: from sonny.org ([192.168.1.60]) by maxima.liston.nu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HFX00M02N1QGR@maxima.liston.nu> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:05:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:06:58 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: which command taking 20+ minutes to return In-reply-to: <3EDBDB50.5050608@sonny.org> To: Majordomo Users Message-id: <3EDD4632.7070508@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 References: <20030602175454.GA9341@tickleme.llnl.gov> <3EDBDB50.5050608@sonny.org> X-Archive-Number: 200306/32 X-Sequence-Number: 3236 I needed to make a correction to my comments after seeing Deb's fix. Any file that does not contain a "." (dot) character in the name is assumed by majordomo to be a list and will auto-create an associated .config file for these files. This default config file is defined in the config_parse.pl script. Majordomo 1.94.5 off the shelf, sets "which_access = open". The "majordomo" script opens the $listdir reading all the filenames, and ignores filenames containing characters that are not alphabetic, numeric, dash, or underscore. Then for each filename; The requestor's address is checked against the "which_access" for each list. If this variable is set to "list", the restrict_post contents "should be" the only ones compared. IF the restrict_post variable contains the name of the list as a file to check, then the original method of comparison returns. To make a long story short, when all of the conditions above are in place, the list file must be scanned for a match to see if you have access to get a response to the "which" command, then the list is scanned again if which_access is allowed, to print a line in your reply message about the match. Kind of an interesting catch-22. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 4 07:36:04 2003 Received: from ns1.lakenet.org (unknown [204.253.93.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D1019670C for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fire ([204.253.93.8]) by ns1.lakenet.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h54Ea8Uu022178 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Catharine Robertson" To: Subject: install.sh: cannot open Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:33:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200306/33 X-Sequence-Number: 3237 I've had some very generous help on- and off-list with my installation. After some snags yesterday about installing into a directory that caused some problems, I've started over. I feel to success and have hit another roadblock I'm hoping to get more help with. This is what I get when I run make install: scrlc% /usr/local/bin/make install Testing for perl (/usr/bin/perl)... Configuring scripts... ./install.sh -m 751 -O 813 -g 1 . /opt/majordomo-1.94.5 ./install.sh: ./install.sh: cannot open make: *** [install-scripts] Error 1 I'm certain it's a permission problem, but permission for what? install.sh? When I read the FAQ about permissions for files and directories, it referred to using at least 750 and 660, respectively, for files and directories that majordomo "creates, if working properly." So I didn't think that info applies to this. Here's the permissions and ownerships I have now: # ls -l|grep majordomo-1.94.5 [directory where I untarred the files] drwxr-xr-x 6 majordom majordom 1024 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo-1.94.5 # cd majordomo-1.94.5 [these are the untarred files] # ls -l|more total 886 -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 94494 Aug 27 1997 Changelog drwxr-xr-x 3 3168 20 512 Jan 18 2000 Doc -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 8933 Oct 20 1996 FUTURE -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 7869 Jan 18 2000 INSTALL -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 6732 Sep 20 1996 LICENSE -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 7395 Jun 4 09:43 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 5591 Aug 27 1997 NEWLIST -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 6456 Jan 18 2000 NEWS -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 24128 Jan 18 2000 README -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 3036 Jan 18 2000 README.eVote -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 6542 Apr 5 1997 approve -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 5263 Jan 7 2000 archive2.pl -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 5241 Jan 7 2000 bounce -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 2791 Dec 9 1996 bounce-remind -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 10667 Aug 27 1997 config-test -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 51130 Jan 7 2000 config_parse.pl drwxr-xr-x 2 3168 20 512 Jan 18 2000 contrib -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 14197 Jan 7 2000 digest drwxr-xr-x 2 3168 20 512 Jan 18 2000 include -rwxr-x--x 1 3168 20 3956 Nov 27 1996 install.sh -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 62507 Jan 13 2000 majordomo -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 857 Jan 18 2000 majordomo.aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 10490 Jun 4 09:50 majordomo.cf -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 24381 Jan 7 2000 majordomo.pl -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 137 Jan 18 2000 majordomo_version.pl drwxr-xr-x 2 3168 20 512 Jan 18 2000 md-sub -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 1341 Apr 28 1997 medit -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 3787 Jan 7 2000 request-answer -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 29915 Jan 7 2000 resend -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 10462 Aug 27 1997 sample.cf -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 8060 Mar 10 1997 shlock.pl -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 3681 Jun 17 1994 todo.local -rwxr-xr-x 1 root other 9548 Jun 4 09:51 wrapper -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 3700 Aug 27 1997 wrapper.c -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 223 May 9 1994 wrapper.sh # cd /opt # ls -l|grep majordomo [this is my home directory] drwxr-x--x 5 majordom daemon 512 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo-1.94.5 # cd majordomo-1.94.5 [files in my home directory] # ls -l|more total 476 drwxr-xr-x 2 majordom other 512 Jun 4 09:51 Tools -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 5267 Jun 4 09:51 archive2.pl drwxr-xr-x 2 majordom other 512 Jun 4 09:51 bin -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 2795 Jun 4 09:51 bounce-remind -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 10671 Jun 4 09:51 config-test -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 51130 Jun 4 09:51 config_parse.pl -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 14201 Jun 4 09:51 digest -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 62511 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo -rw-r--r-- 1 majordom other 10490 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo.cf -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 24381 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo.pl -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 137 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo_version.pl drwxr-xr-x 4 majordom other 512 Jun 4 09:51 man -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 3791 Jun 4 09:51 request-answer -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 29919 Jun 4 09:51 resend -rw-r--r-- 1 majordom other 10462 Jun 4 09:51 sample.cf -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 8060 Jun 4 09:51 shlock.pl Should I have changed the permission of install.sh? To what? Should I be changing the permissions of other files and directories? The one thing I did change (and I've tried to make install with it both ways) is the ownership of my home directory, /opt/majordomo-1.94.5, to majordomo:daemon I also tried to change the ownership of all the files in the home directory to majordomo:daemon, but certain files stayed as majordom:other, so I figured I did something wrong and changed it back. Many thanks, Catharine From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 4 07:53:42 2003 Received: from mail.vacv.com (unknown [66.38.215.152]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FFA195F1A for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from actarus.vacv.com ([128.128.1.111]) by mail.vacv.com (8.11.6/by ScOuByDoU) with ESMTP id h54EsRS10987 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:54:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030604105057.02c03568@mail.vacv.com> X-Sender: scouby@mail.vacv.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:51:19 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Eric Daigneault Subject: MaxRecipientsPerMessage and Majordomo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archive-Number: 200306/34 X-Sequence-Number: 3238 Hi all, I need some help to do a tweek on my mailing system. I have a setup of 3=20 mail servers, including a dedicated lists server. That server is under RH 7.2 an run : majordomo-1.94.5-2 (RPM release) sendmail-8.11.6-25.72 The lists server manage around 200 lists and work beautifully. Some of=20 those lists have about 400 users in the same domain (most of the time, our= =20 domains ) On the 2 other mail server, I want to set the MaxRecipientsPerMessage to 10= =20 or 15 break some weakness of sendmail. Meaning that a single posting on=20 those servers will not be allowed to have more than 15 recipients. My problem is, the list server create envelopes of 40 recipients, resulting= =20 in a total desaster when we use a list with a lot of people from ou domain. I was hoping someone would be able to tell my set up the list server so he= =20 create envelopes of 10 recipient at a time. I have no clue if this is a=20 majordomo issue or a sendmail issue. So, if it's a sendmail issue, accept= =20 my apologies and thaks anyway. ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Daigneault Administrateur de syst=E8mes Vacances Air Canada ------------------------------------------------------- courriel : edaigneault@vacv.com t=E9l=E9phone : (514) 876-0707 ext 3247 ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Daigneault Administrateur de syst=E8mes Vacances Air Canada ------------------------------------------------------- courriel : edaigneault@vacv.com t=E9l=E9phone : (514) 876-0707 ext 3247 ------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 4 08:20:19 2003 Received: from tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts14.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.35]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4666D19826C for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acer.sympatico.ca ([67.69.231.215]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20030604151827.SYMG11313.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@acer.sympatico.ca> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:18:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030604110726.00a06ad0@pop6.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1wudu74@pop6.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:10:59 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Frank Bax Subject: Re: MaxRecipientsPerMessage and Majordomo In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030604105057.02c03568@mail.vacv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200306/35 X-Sequence-Number: 3239 At 10:51 AM 6/4/03, Eric Daigneault wrote: >I need some help to do a tweek on my mailing system. I have a setup of 3 >mail servers, including a dedicated lists server. > >That server is under RH 7.2 an run : > >majordomo-1.94.5-2 (RPM release) >sendmail-8.11.6-25.72 > >The lists server manage around 200 lists and work beautifully. Some of >those lists have about 400 users in the same domain (most of the time, our >domains ) > >On the 2 other mail server, I want to set the MaxRecipientsPerMessage to >10 or 15 break some weakness of sendmail. Meaning that a single posting on >those servers will not be allowed to have more than 15 recipients. > >My problem is, the list server create envelopes of 40 recipients, >resulting in a total desaster when we use a list with a lot of people from >ou domain. > >I was hoping someone would be able to tell my set up the list server so he >create envelopes of 10 recipient at a time. I have no clue if this is a >majordomo issue or a sendmail issue. So, if it's a sendmail issue, accept >my apologies and thaks anyway. This is a sendmail setup (on the machine running majordomo): define(`SMTP_MAILER_MAXMSGS',`15') This tells sendmail to limit outgoing messages to 15 addresses per connection with target system - even though majordomo might give sendmail a message with 400 addresses. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 4 08:48:24 2003 Received: from tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts14.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.35]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45CE198A96 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acer.sympatico.ca ([67.69.231.215]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20030604154310.UAHW11313.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@acer.sympatico.ca> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:43:10 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030604113331.036bd3a0@pop6.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1wudu74@pop6.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:35:35 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Frank Bax Subject: SPAM/DSBL messages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200306/36 X-Sequence-Number: 3240 Why do I get these messages whenever I post to this mailing list? Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:24:47 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Frank Bax Subject: {SPAM?}{DSBL!} List_ too many recipients Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com {SPAM?}{DNSBL!} List_multihop.dsbl.org_209.226.175.52_)http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=209.226.175.52 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:10:59 -0400 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Frank Bax Subject: {SPAM?}{DSBL!} List_ Re: MaxRecipientsPerMessage and Majordomo In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030604105057.02c03568@mail.vacv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com {SPAM?}{DNSBL!} List_multihop.dsbl.org_209.226.175.35_)http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=209.226.175.35 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 4 09:45:30 2003 Received: from mail.vacv.com (unknown [66.38.215.152]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C563A1965FD for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from actarus.vacv.com ([128.128.1.111]) by mail.vacv.com (8.11.6/by ScOuByDoU) with ESMTP id h54GkGS25113; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:46:16 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030604124250.02c0ca38@mail.vacv.com> X-Sender: scouby@mail.vacv.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:43:08 -0400 To: Rainer Sokoll From: Eric Daigneault Subject: Re: MaxRecipientsPerMessage and Majordomo Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <20030604151746.GC27282@jahreskarenzabrechnungszeitraum.int ershop.de> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030604105057.02c03568@mail.vacv.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030604105057.02c03568@mail.vacv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archive-Number: 200306/37 X-Sequence-Number: 3241 Thanks...... work perfectly !!! At 17:17 04/06/2003 +0200, Rainer Sokoll wrote: >On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 10:51:19AM -0400, Eric Daigneault wrote: > >Hi, > > > My problem is, the list server create envelopes of 40 recipients,=20 > resulting > > in a total desaster when we use a list with a lot of people from ou dom= ain. > >I solved this problem by using bulkmailer >(http://freshmeat.net/projects/bulkmailer/) > >Rainer ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Daigneault Administrateur de syst=E8mes Vacances Air Canada ------------------------------------------------------- courriel : edaigneault@vacv.com t=E9l=E9phone : (514) 876-0707 ext 3247 ------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 4 10:04:57 2003 Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail10.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.210]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE5E196DB3 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15852 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 17:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO att.net) (w6go@[66.93.44.143]) (envelope-sender ) by mail10.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jun 2003 17:04:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3EDE26A9.1060308@att.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:04:41 -0700 From: Jay O'Brien User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: SPAM/DSBL messages References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030604113331.036bd3a0@pop6.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/38 X-Sequence-Number: 3242 Thanks for posting those links, I find them very interesting. It sounds like Distributed Server Boycott List has its act together. Good luck in getting your provider to correct his problems. Jay O'Brien Frank Bax wrote: > Why do I get these messages whenever I post to this mailing list? > > > Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:24:47 -0400 > To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > From: Frank Bax > Subject: {SPAM?}{DSBL!} List_ too many recipients > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > Precedence: bulk > Sender: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > > {SPAM?}{DNSBL!} > List_multihop.dsbl.org_209.226.175.52_)http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=209.226.175.52 > > > Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:10:59 -0400 > To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > From: Frank Bax > Subject: {SPAM?}{DSBL!} List_ Re: MaxRecipientsPerMessage and Majordomo > In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030604105057.02c03568@mail.vacv.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > Precedence: bulk > Sender: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > > {SPAM?}{DNSBL!} > List_multihop.dsbl.org_209.226.175.35_)http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=209.226.175.35 > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 4 10:28:06 2003 Received: from sonny.com (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3F3196817 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org ([192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h54HRbOB027621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:27:38 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDE2C7E.3020009@sonny.org> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:29:34 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: croberts@lakenet.org Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: install.sh: cannot open References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/39 X-Sequence-Number: 3243 I am having similar difficulties with a consolidated patches version of majordomo that I created. At this point, I am "almost" positive it has something to do with the Makefile. I can "make wrapper", but I can't "make install". If I use the original Makefile, without the config file location patch, everything works fine. If I discover the problem with my copy I will relate the fix to you and this list. Dan Liston Catharine Robertson wrote: > I've had some very generous help on- and off-list with my installation. > After some snags yesterday about installing into a directory that caused > some problems, I've started over. I feel to success and have > hit another roadblock I'm hoping to get more help with. > > This is what I get when I run make install: > > scrlc% /usr/local/bin/make install > Testing for perl (/usr/bin/perl)... > Configuring scripts... > ./install.sh -m 751 -O 813 -g 1 . /opt/majordomo-1.94.5 > ./install.sh: ./install.sh: cannot open > make: *** [install-scripts] Error 1 > > > I'm certain it's a permission problem, but permission for what? install.sh? > When I read the FAQ about permissions for files and directories, it referred > to using at least 750 and 660, respectively, for files and directories that > majordomo "creates, if working properly." So I didn't think that info > applies to this. > > Here's the permissions and ownerships I have now: > > # ls -l|grep majordomo-1.94.5 [directory where I untarred the files] > drwxr-xr-x 6 majordom majordom 1024 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo-1.94.5 > > # cd majordomo-1.94.5 [these are the untarred files] > # ls -l|more > total 886 > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 94494 Aug 27 1997 Changelog > drwxr-xr-x 3 3168 20 512 Jan 18 2000 Doc > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 8933 Oct 20 1996 FUTURE > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 7869 Jan 18 2000 INSTALL > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 6732 Sep 20 1996 LICENSE > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 7395 Jun 4 09:43 Makefile > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 5591 Aug 27 1997 NEWLIST > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 6456 Jan 18 2000 NEWS > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 24128 Jan 18 2000 README > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 3036 Jan 18 2000 README.eVote > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 6542 Apr 5 1997 approve > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 5263 Jan 7 2000 archive2.pl > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 5241 Jan 7 2000 bounce > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 2791 Dec 9 1996 bounce-remind > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 10667 Aug 27 1997 config-test > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 51130 Jan 7 2000 config_parse.pl > drwxr-xr-x 2 3168 20 512 Jan 18 2000 contrib > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 14197 Jan 7 2000 digest > drwxr-xr-x 2 3168 20 512 Jan 18 2000 include > -rwxr-x--x 1 3168 20 3956 Nov 27 1996 install.sh > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 62507 Jan 13 2000 majordomo > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 857 Jan 18 2000 majordomo.aliases > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 10490 Jun 4 09:50 majordomo.cf > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 24381 Jan 7 2000 majordomo.pl > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 137 Jan 18 2000 majordomo_version.pl > drwxr-xr-x 2 3168 20 512 Jan 18 2000 md-sub > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 1341 Apr 28 1997 medit > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 3787 Jan 7 2000 request-answer > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 29915 Jan 7 2000 resend > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 10462 Aug 27 1997 sample.cf > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 8060 Mar 10 1997 shlock.pl > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 3681 Jun 17 1994 todo.local > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root other 9548 Jun 4 09:51 wrapper > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 3700 Aug 27 1997 wrapper.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 3168 20 223 May 9 1994 wrapper.sh > > # cd /opt > # ls -l|grep majordomo [this is my home directory] > drwxr-x--x 5 majordom daemon 512 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo-1.94.5 > > # cd majordomo-1.94.5 [files in my home directory] > # ls -l|more > total 476 > drwxr-xr-x 2 majordom other 512 Jun 4 09:51 Tools > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 5267 Jun 4 09:51 archive2.pl > drwxr-xr-x 2 majordom other 512 Jun 4 09:51 bin > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 2795 Jun 4 09:51 bounce-remind > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 10671 Jun 4 09:51 config-test > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 51130 Jun 4 09:51 config_parse.pl > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 14201 Jun 4 09:51 digest > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 62511 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo > -rw-r--r-- 1 majordom other 10490 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo.cf > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 24381 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo.pl > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 137 Jun 4 09:51 majordomo_version.pl > drwxr-xr-x 4 majordom other 512 Jun 4 09:51 man > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 3791 Jun 4 09:51 request-answer > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 29919 Jun 4 09:51 resend > -rw-r--r-- 1 majordom other 10462 Jun 4 09:51 sample.cf > -rwxr-xr-x 1 majordom other 8060 Jun 4 09:51 shlock.pl > > Should I have changed the permission of install.sh? To what? Should I be > changing the permissions of other files and directories? The one thing I did > change (and I've tried to make install with it both ways) is the ownership > of my home directory, /opt/majordomo-1.94.5, to majordomo:daemon I also > tried to change the ownership of all the files in the home directory to > majordomo:daemon, but certain files stayed as majordom:other, so I figured I > did something wrong and changed it back. > > Many thanks, > Catharine From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 4 10:58:34 2003 Received: from ns1.lakenet.org (unknown [204.253.93.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F721970F5 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fire ([204.253.93.8]) by ns1.lakenet.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h54HxHUu023834; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Catharine Robertson" To: "Daniel Liston" Cc: Subject: Re: install.sh: cannot open Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:56:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3EDE2C7E.3020009@sonny.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200306/40 X-Sequence-Number: 3244 While far from ideal, I was able to work around the problem by changing the permission of install.sh to 777 and it did install. My config-test showed a few other minor issues I hope to work out in the next few minutes. Catharine -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Liston Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:30 PM To: croberts@lakenet.org Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: install.sh: cannot open I am having similar difficulties with a consolidated patches version of majordomo that I created. At this point, I am "almost" positive it has something to do with the Makefile. I can "make wrapper", but I can't "make install". If I use the original Makefile, without the config file location patch, everything works fine. If I discover the problem with my copy I will relate the fix to you and this list. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 4 11:49:17 2003 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3786E1974AF; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-66-167-132-216.phndaz91.covad.net ([66.167.132.216] helo=Vaio.earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19NdJc-0002HW-00; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:48:52 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030604114321.00b7c7b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: bobbish@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:48:45 -0700 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Bob Bish Subject: Weird Russian bounces Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200306/41 X-Sequence-Number: 3245 A Russian list member's account was closed. The member's address was @mail.ru. That mail server is badly mis-configured. Not only does it send the resulting bounce messages to the wrong address (the list posting address!), but it put that member's e-mail address in the "From" field of the bounce messages, making them valid as far as majordomo is concerned. It was as if each bounce message was a reply to an individual list message. This happened on a very active list. Luckily I was watching when the first ones came through and removed that address from the list immediately. It was too late by then to catch a lot of them, since they were delayed about 24 hours and being spooled somewhere. About two dozen of them actually went out over the list. If this had happened when I was away from my computer for a couple of days, it would have been a REAL mess because those bounce messages themselves would have started bouncing too after about 24 hours, creating a loop. If you have any list members with addresses @mail.ru, beware. ...Bob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 4 13:01:12 2003 Received: from smtp-3.llnl.gov (smtp-3.llnl.gov [128.115.41.83]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4628C1967B2 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-3.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.3 $) with ESMTP id h54K14gX026955; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evsion$) with ESMTP id h54K13fY000850; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from deb@localhost) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h54K13KN000849; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:01:03 -0700 From: Deb To: Daniel Liston Cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: which command taking 20+ minutes to return Message-ID: <20030604200103.GA822@tickleme.llnl.gov> References: <20030602175454.GA9341@tickleme.llnl.gov> <3EDBDB50.5050608@sonny.org> <3EDD4632.7070508@sonny.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EDD4632.7070508@sonny.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Archive-Number: 200306/42 X-Sequence-Number: 3246 Dan, Thanks for going thru the process of how majordomo handles list files and then checking which_access. I appreciate the effort it took. d Daniel Liston had this to say, > > I needed to make a correction to my comments after seeing Deb's fix. > Any file that does not contain a "." (dot) character in the name is > assumed by majordomo to be a list and will auto-create an associated > .config file for these files. This default config file is defined in > the config_parse.pl script. Majordomo 1.94.5 off the shelf, sets > "which_access = open". > > The "majordomo" script opens the $listdir reading all the filenames, > and ignores filenames containing characters that are not alphabetic, > numeric, dash, or underscore. Then for each filename; > > The requestor's address is checked against the "which_access" for > each list. If this variable is set to "list", the restrict_post > contents "should be" the only ones compared. IF the restrict_post > variable contains the name of the list as a file to check, then the > original method of comparison returns. To make a long story short, > when all of the conditions above are in place, the list file must be > scanned for a match to see if you have access to get a response to > the "which" command, then the list is scanned again if which_access > is allowed, to print a line in your reply message about the match. > > Kind of an interesting catch-22. > > Dan Liston > -- o _ _ _ _o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) _< \_ _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ (_)>(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 5 07:06:17 2003 Received: from smtp1.cavtel.net (smtp1.cavtel.net [209.137.171.22]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E16D1970E2 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ceit (64-83-12-70-static-dsl-ric.cavtel.net [64.83.12.70]) by smtp1.cavtel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 662C74C65F for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007301c32b6b$a0b027e0$c907a8c0@ceit> From: "Jason Jacobs" To: Subject: testing the load Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:06:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C32B4A.1956F790" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Archive-Number: 200306/43 X-Sequence-Number: 3247 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C32B4A.1956F790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mornin, y'all. I have done everything I wanted to do with this list to get= it ready for going live except test the strain it has on the server. On m= y mail server, I have a bunch of aliases set up for myself, and I put each = of those aliases into the list file. I figured this would work, that when = I sent the list out it would get sent to each of my aliases and I'd get lik= e 5 copies of the same email in my mailbox (which is what I want for now). = But what actually happened is only one got delivered. I tried this same t= hing for a few different accounts I have access to, and the same thing happ= ened. Is this a "feature" of majordomo or perhaps my (incoming) mail serve= r that it knows when the same message is going to an inbox multiple times, = so only one gets delivered? It doesn't make sense to me... I'm using majordomo 1.94.5 and the incoming mail server is sendmail 8. Does anyone have a way to test the server load without sending the list to = real email addresses? Thanks again for your help. -jason ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C32B4A.1956F790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mornin, y'all.  I have done everythin= g I=20 wanted to do with this list to get it ready for going live except test the= =20 strain it has on the server.  On my mail server, I have a bunch of ali= ases=20 set up for myself, and I put each of those aliases into the list file. = ; I=20 figured this would work, that when I sent the list out it would get sent to= each=20 of my aliases and I'd get like 5 copies of the same email in my mailbox (wh= ich=20 is what I want for now).  But what actually happened is only one got= =20 delivered.  I tried this same thing for a few different accounts I hav= e=20 access to, and the same thing happened.  Is this a "feature" of majord= omo=20 or perhaps my (incoming) mail server that it knows when the same message is= =20 going to an inbox multiple times, so only one gets delivered?  It does= n't=20 make sense to me...
 
I'm using majordomo 1.94.5 and the incomin= g mail=20 server is sendmail 8.
 
Does anyone have a way to test the server = load=20 without sending the list to real email addresses?
 
Thanks again for your help.
 
-jason
------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C32B4A.1956F790-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 5 07:23:47 2003 Received: from jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.238]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A1D1961CE for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dynamic-31-218.dyn.columbia.edu (dynamic-31-218.dyn.columbia.edu [128.59.31.218]) (user=brennan mech=PLAIN bits=0) by jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h55ENTYp006796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:23:29 -0400 From: Joseph Brennan Reply-To: Postmaster To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: testing the load Message-ID: <87321047.1054808609@dynamic-31-218.dyn.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <007301c32b6b$a0b027e0$c907a8c0@ceit> References: <007301c32b6b$a0b027e0$c907a8c0@ceit> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Mac OS/PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.32 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Archive-Number: 200306/44 X-Sequence-Number: 3248 > Is this a "feature" of majordomo or perhaps my > (incoming) mail server that it knows when the same message is going to an > inbox multiple times, so only one gets delivered? It doesn't make sense > to me... > I'm using majordomo 1.94.5 and the incoming mail server is sendmail 8. Sendmail normally sorts the recipient list, after alias expansion, and removes duplicates. (I can't recall how to change this but I think you can... nothing obvious in the bat book index.) But Majordomo itself sent to that many users. Joseph Brennan Columbia University in the City of New York postmaster@columbia.edu Academic Technologies Group From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 5 10:35:40 2003 Received: from sonny.com (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656BD19826D for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org ([192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h55HZYOB006902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:35:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDF7F98.7050906@sonny.org> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:36:24 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Jacobs Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: testing the load References: <007301c32b6b$a0b027e0$c907a8c0@ceit> In-Reply-To: <007301c32b6b$a0b027e0$c907a8c0@ceit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/45 X-Sequence-Number: 3249 I wonder if this setting would help your situation? # send to me too, even in an alias expansion? O MeToo=True Dan Liston Jason Jacobs wrote: > Mornin, y'all. I have done everything I wanted to do with this list to > get it ready for going live except test the strain it has on the > server. On my mail server, I have a bunch of aliases set up for myself, > and I put each of those aliases into the list file. I figured this > would work, that when I sent the list out it would get sent to each of > my aliases and I'd get like 5 copies of the same email in my mailbox > (which is what I want for now). But what actually happened is only one > got delivered. I tried this same thing for a few different accounts I > have access to, and the same thing happened. Is this a "feature" of > majordomo or perhaps my (incoming) mail server that it knows when the > same message is going to an inbox multiple times, so only one gets > delivered? It doesn't make sense to me... > > I'm using majordomo 1.94.5 and the incoming mail server is sendmail 8. > > Does anyone have a way to test the server load without sending the list > to real email addresses? > > Thanks again for your help. > > -jason From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 5 12:00:40 2003 Received: from ns1.lakenet.org (unknown [204.253.93.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD084199042 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fire ([204.253.93.8]) by ns1.lakenet.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h55IqpUu029045 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Catharine Robertson" To: Subject: listname.new and ownership of files Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200306/46 X-Sequence-Number: 3250 I was able to run a config-test that returned 0 errors after mucking around with some permissions. So now I can send to my lists (from migrated data), but no listowners are able to do any adding or deleting. I have read and reread the FAQ, the INSTALL doc, and the README doc, but I'm still getting error messages about "not owner." Can some kind soul offer another pair of eyes to spot what I'm obviously missing? Here's an example of a list for which it's possible to send messages, but the owner cannot make any changes: -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom daemon 826 Jun 5 13:09 flls-l drw-rw-r-- 2 majordom daemon 1536 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.archive -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 12107 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.config -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom daemon 397 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.info -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom daemon 6 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.passwd (I got errors sending to the list until I changed the ownership of flls-l.config to majordom:daemon). And here's a log entry from when he tried to make changes to the list. Jun 05 13:38:26 lakenet.org majordomo[28550] {} approve PASSWO RD unsubscribe flls-l user@org.org Jun 05 13:38:26 lakenet.org majordomo[28550] {} ABORT Can't op en /opt/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/flls-l.new: Permission denied Why is majordomo creating a file called flls-l.new? Should it be? If yes, what should its ownership and permissions be? I've tried all permutations of majordom:majordom, majordom:daemon, mailnull:smadmin, 660, and 664. If no, how can I get rid of it? I've also tried deleting the file outright, but it gets created again, with the ownership of mailnull:smadmin. But then I get errors about it running with the wrong uid and gid. Additionally, all the directories in the path leading to flls-l.new, /opt/majordomo-1.94.5/lists, have permissions of 750 or 755, as specified in the FAQ. Please help! Catharine From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 5 14:35:47 2003 Received: from xrx-inc.com (mail.xrx-inc.com [12.13.116.226]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C12196F3D for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xrx-inc.com (localhost.xrx-inc.com [127.0.0.1]) by xrx-inc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h55Lb1Se000696 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:37:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by xrx-inc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h55Lb1lf000695 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:37:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:37:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Dr. Tim" Message-Id: <200306052137.h55Lb1lf000695@xrx-inc.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: sendmail trouble X-Archive-Number: 200306/47 X-Sequence-Number: 3251 I know this may NOT be the right place for this and perhaps someone can refer me to a better site. but I have two issues One I have just discoverd that the majordomo address owner-list causes all sorts of trouble as people are aware of that basic alias. So I no reject all mail from anyone outside of our local domain using the to address owner-list they are forced to mail to a specified virtualuser table name that then get processed via procmail and sent to majordomo. I removed about 90% of all spam this way that was going to the moderator. She can still get non-member submission as we have a few posters who are not interested in getting the mailings so I simple don't trap non-member submssion but my two questions are can I set up sendmail to do the above in the cf file? I just tried something very simple like modify the access file (freebsd 4.4) so that we 12.15 RELAY bill@spammer 550 go way spammer and re did the hash with makemap *(and with just the make using the makefile in /etc/mail on freebsd) BUT it don't relay and it don't reject bill@spammer. so my access database doesn't work! Can anyone help. Tim From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 5 16:25:32 2003 Received: from ts.checkpoint.com (gonzo.ts.checkpoint.com [204.156.136.99]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD55119708E for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LPRAIS1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ts.checkpoint.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.6) with SMTP id h55NMfPV024293; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:22:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lance Prais" To: "Dr. Tim" , Subject: Re: sendmail trouble Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:21:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200306052137.h55Lb1lf000695@xrx-inc.com> X-Archive-Number: 200306/48 X-Sequence-Number: 3252 I am not sure if this the right place to ask this but I have a question about mhonarch. I am trying to a .js file and cannot seem to figure out where I need to place the include in the list.rc file. I was able to get to work in the index pages but not the individual email. The other issues I am having is I cannot figure out how the body tag is created. I need to replace the body tag with the following: Any help would be appreciated Thanks Lance -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Tim Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:37 PM To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: sendmail trouble I know this may NOT be the right place for this and perhaps someone can refer me to a better site. but I have two issues One I have just discoverd that the majordomo address owner-list causes all sorts of trouble as people are aware of that basic alias. So I no reject all mail from anyone outside of our local domain using the to address owner-list they are forced to mail to a specified virtualuser table name that then get processed via procmail and sent to majordomo. I removed about 90% of all spam this way that was going to the moderator. She can still get non-member submission as we have a few posters who are not interested in getting the mailings so I simple don't trap non-member submssion but my two questions are can I set up sendmail to do the above in the cf file? I just tried something very simple like modify the access file (freebsd 4.4) so that we 12.15 RELAY bill@spammer 550 go way spammer and re did the hash with makemap *(and with just the make using the makefile in /etc/mail on freebsd) BUT it don't relay and it don't reject bill@spammer. so my access database doesn't work! Can anyone help. Tim From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 5 21:47:44 2003 Received: from sonny.com (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742D1196A0A for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org ([192.168.1.60]) by sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h564ldOA009612; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:47:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE01D20.4080600@sonny.org> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:48:32 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. Tim" Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: sendmail trouble References: <200306052137.h55Lb1lf000695@xrx-inc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/49 X-Sequence-Number: 3253 Dr. Tim wrote: > I know this may NOT be the right place for this and perhaps someone can > refer me to a better site. but I have two issues > > > One I have just discoverd that the majordomo address owner-list > causes all sorts of trouble as people are aware of that basic > alias. So I no reject all mail from anyone outside of our local > domain using the to address owner-list > > they are forced to mail to a specified virtualuser table name > that then get processed via procmail and sent to majordomo. > > I removed about 90% of all spam this way that was going to the > moderator. She can still get non-member submission as we have > a few posters who are not interested in getting the mailings > so I simple don't trap non-member submssion but my two questions are > > can I set up sendmail to do the above in the cf file? > > I just tried something very simple like > modify the access file (freebsd 4.4) > so that we > 12.15 RELAY Doesn't this line say that you want to allow anything destined to or received from network 12.15.0.0/16 to be relayed through your server? I see a LOT of room for getting listed in somebody's RBL this way. > bill@spammer 550 go way spammer Shouldn't this line be bill@spammer ERROR:"550 go away spammer" There are lots of examples in /usr/share/docs/sendmail/README.cf here is a clip from that file; -> Warning: if you change the RFC 821 compliant error code from the default -> value of 550, then you should probably also change the RFC 1893 compliant -> error code to match it. For example, if you use -> -> user@example.com ERROR:450 mailbox full -> -> the error returned would be "450 5.0.0 mailbox full" which is wrong. -> Use "ERROR:4.2.2:450 mailbox full" instead. Just a thought. > > and re did the hash with makemap *(and with just the make using the makefile in /etc/mail on freebsd) > > BUT it don't relay and it don't reject bill@spammer. > > so my access database doesn't work! You can also do a quick debug test with something like; echo "/map access bill@spammer" | sendmail -d0.4 -bt Dan From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 5 22:04:53 2003 Received: from xrx-inc.com (mail.xrx-inc.com [12.13.116.226]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45437196A0A for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xrx-inc.com (localhost.xrx-inc.com [127.0.0.1]) by xrx-inc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h5655xwU004282 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:06:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by xrx-inc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h5655xlE004281 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:05:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:05:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Dr. Tim" Message-Id: <200306060505.h5655xlE004281@xrx-inc.com> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: sendmail and access. X-Archive-Number: 200306/50 X-Sequence-Number: 3254 Thanks to all who replied. I have resisted learning ANYTHING about m4 and .mc files since I have been tweaking sendmail.cf files for some time but here is a case where. a.) read all 20 sections of the sendmail.org handbook and noticed that 1.) you don't NEED to use the m4 compiler but later seconds ASSUME you have.. hence the moral access.db is available only after major revamp of the ruleset by hand or use of the m4 .mc and feature(`access_db) 2.) Just because ONE section says all you need to do is. a,b,c, and voila! it will work part a.) above an take note! b.) I am still not sure how to do the following I want to reject owner- address from outside by local address but accept any owner- address from inside our local address. TIm From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 5 22:34:05 2003 Received: from sonny.com (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6742E197368 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org ([192.168.1.60]) by sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h565Y2OA009809; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:34:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE027FF.4090101@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:34:55 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: croberts@lakenet.org Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: listname.new and ownership of files References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/51 X-Sequence-Number: 3255 I posted a recipe for a successful install a couple years back. Let me see. My current configuration has a link to perl in /bin from /usr/bin, not that it should matter, and cc is linked to gcc in /usr/bin. These are my install steps. 1. create a majordom user and group in /etc/passwd and /etc/group. note1: "majordomo" if no 8 character limitation in your OS 1a. add "Tmajordom" to /etc/sendmail.cf # or Tmajordomo 2. make note of the uid:gid of this user, and the $HOME directory 3. locate your perl and gcc tools, you need this in the next step 4. edit Makefile 4a. PERL = /usr/local/bin/perl 4b. CC = /usr/local/bin/gcc 4c. W_HOME = /opt/majordomo # <$HOME from above in step 2> 4d. MAN = $(W_HOME)/man # /usr/man or /usr/local/man 4e. W_USER = 400 # uid from above in step 2 4f. W_GROUP = 400 # gid from above in step 2 note4ef: These must match the 3rd and 4th column of /etc/passwd 4g. The following defaults are fine; FILE_MODE = 644 EXEC_MODE = 755 HOME_MODE = 751 4h. Your OS is POSIX so these are fine too; WRAPPER_OWNER = root WRAPPER_GROUP = $(W_GROUP) WRAPPER_MODE = 4755 POSIX = -DPOSIX_UID=$(W_USER) -DPOSIX_GID=$(W_GROUP) TMPDIR = /var/tmp 5. copy sample.cf to majordomo.cf 5a. edit majordomo.cf. I only list lines needing changes $whereami = "example.com"; # change to your domain $homedir = "/opt/majordomo"; # same as above in 2 and 4c. $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests"; # note plural $sendmail_command # uncomment the line appropriate to your OS $TMPDIR = $ENV{'TMPDIR'} || "$homedir/tmp"; note5: Make sure you are the root user in bash or sh shell 6. make wrapper 7. make install # is this where your process dies now? 8. make install-wrapper 9. edit /etc/aliases to add/modify; majordomo: "|/opt/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: you, majordomo-owner: owner-majordomo 10. If you got past steps 6, 7, and 8 (#perl problem#) cd then ./wrapper config-test Once this comes back successful, it is majordomo admin as usual. :) Sendmail will squawk about any directory in the path to a list that is world or group writable. They can be executable/searchable but not writable. Sendmail will also complain about the group writable permission on your list file. Notice the ownerships and permission on the example provided in the sendmail FAQ. http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.32 Have you tried using my newlist.pl script? Additional reading for your listowners, Doc/list-owner-info. Dan Liston Catharine Robertson wrote: > I was able to run a config-test that returned 0 errors after mucking around > with some permissions. So now I can send to my lists (from migrated data), > but no listowners are able to do any adding or deleting. I have read and > reread the FAQ, the INSTALL doc, and the README doc, but I'm still getting > error messages about "not owner." > > Can some kind soul offer another pair of eyes to spot what I'm obviously > missing? > > Here's an example of a list for which it's possible to send messages, but > the owner cannot make any changes: > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom daemon 826 Jun 5 13:09 flls-l > drw-rw-r-- 2 majordom daemon 1536 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.archive > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 12107 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.config > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom daemon 397 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.info > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom daemon 6 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.passwd > > (I got errors sending to the list until I changed the ownership of > flls-l.config to majordom:daemon). > > And here's a log entry from when he tried to make changes to the list. > > Jun 05 13:38:26 lakenet.org majordomo[28550] {} approve > PASSWO > RD unsubscribe flls-l user@org.org > Jun 05 13:38:26 lakenet.org majordomo[28550] {} ABORT > Can't op > en /opt/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/flls-l.new: Permission denied > > Why is majordomo creating a file called flls-l.new? Should it be? If yes, > what should its ownership and permissions be? I've tried all permutations of > majordom:majordom, majordom:daemon, mailnull:smadmin, 660, and 664. If no, > how can I get rid of it? I've also tried deleting the file outright, but it > gets created again, with the ownership of mailnull:smadmin. But then I get > errors about it running with the wrong uid and gid. > > Additionally, all the directories in the path leading to flls-l.new, > /opt/majordomo-1.94.5/lists, have permissions of 750 or 755, as specified in > the FAQ. > > Please help! > > Catharine > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jun 6 00:04:52 2003 Received: from sonny.com (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A4F198CC8 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org ([192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5674hOB010196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 02:04:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE03D3F.1080408@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 02:05:35 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. Tim" Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: sendmail and access. References: <200306060505.h5655xlE004281@xrx-inc.com> In-Reply-To: <200306060505.h5655xlE004281@xrx-inc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/52 X-Sequence-Number: 3256 These kind of sendmail questions are probably better answered on a list specific to sendmail, especially since 0wner-anything is a hidden feature of sendmail itself. This address type will not likely have the same rules as other addresses. I am not Brent Chapman, but I would be willing to bet that the reason majordomo uses owner- prefixes instead of -owner suffixes is because it was designed to work with sendmail. You have not provided your definition of inside and outside vs local address yet either. Anyone that connects to your server with an email user agent/client like outlook, netscape, eudora, ximian, whatever, is considered "outside" your server when it comes to the MTA, but still are possibly from inside your domain. Now, if you absolutely want anything "To:" your owner-whatever address ignored at the connection level, you might add a check_receipt rule to the sendmail.cf, or if your sendmail is new enough, add To:owner-listname with a REJECT to your access file, but you have not been able to verify the access map is working yet. I am not a sendmail.cf guru (although I may have been close once), but KCheck_DIALUP regex -a@MATCH ^(dynamic|modem|pool|dial|ppp) with a matching piece of code in the SLocal_check_rcpt R$* $: $1 $| $(dequote "" $&(client_addr) $) R$* $| $* $: $1 $| $[ [$2] $] R$* $| $* $: $1 $| $(Check_DIALU{ $2 $) R$* $| @MATCH $#error $@ 5.7.1. $: "550 Mail refused. \ Use your providers mail host." Please do not use the code above verbatim. It is intended to be a spam filter, but could be modified to fit your needs. Who knows what my mailer may have done to any whitespace that must be s. It is very late on day 3 for me, without more than a couple naps to keep me going. Dan Liston Dr. Tim wrote: > Thanks to all who replied. I have resisted learning ANYTHING > about m4 and .mc files since I have been tweaking sendmail.cf files > for some time but here is a case where. > a.) read all 20 sections of the sendmail.org handbook and noticed that > 1.) you don't NEED to use the m4 compiler > but later seconds ASSUME you have.. hence the moral > access.db is available only after major revamp of the ruleset > by hand or use of the m4 .mc and feature(`access_db) > 2.) Just because ONE section says all you need to do is. > a,b,c, and voila! it will work > part a.) above an take note! > b.) I am still not sure how to do the following > > I want to reject owner- address from outside > by local address but > accept any owner- address from inside our local address. > > TIm From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jun 6 00:27:52 2003 Received: from mailspool.ops.uunet.co.za (mailspool.ops.uunet.co.za [196.7.0.140]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54D6198E01 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.8.37.50] (helo=splsrv.microtek.co.za) by mailspool.ops.uunet.co.za with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19OBc7-0005YG-00 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:26:15 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Delaying sending MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:27:23 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Delaying sending Thread-Index: AcMr9GrHIbtAvCtKEcODZN6gIVf0bg== From: "Christopher Cox" To: X-Archive-Number: 200306/53 X-Sequence-Number: 3257 Hi there, I'm a bit of newbie, but I have searched and read high and low looking 4 th= is-but either I dont understand the terminology or I just haven't found wha= t I'm looking for. My problem is this: (I'm not sure if this is possible with Majordomo even, = but I've heard that it is..) I want to be able to=20 a. set up an autoresponder with majordomo (I can sort of do this) b. be able to 'queue' messages-i.e. have deliberate delayed sending. E.g.. = I type up 6 emails or whatever and then sends each to my list a week apart.= Do I need to write a script to do this? or is it already part of majordomo? And please bear in mind that I only have access to my server by FTP, becaus= e while im at work I cannot access secure ports to get hold of the server o= rdinarily (proxy thing...) If I sound clueless, its probably because I am. BUT I assure you I HAVE tri= ed to find this else where! ;) decent chaps. thanks ~Chris From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jun 6 01:28:56 2003 Received: from sonny.com (24-116-58-25.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.58.25]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF24719729C for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h568KCIx010669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 03:20:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE04EF0.4030805@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 03:21:04 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Cox Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Delaying sending References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/54 X-Sequence-Number: 3258 Majordomo does not have any built-in configuration for delaying the delivery of mail to itself or any of it's lists. You would have to script/cron the sending of the message "to" majordomo, and let majordomo work it's normal magic immediately. Auto-reponder? Procmail and a vacation msg might be easier, or you could write custom code in the new-list script to suit your needs. Dan Liston Christopher Cox wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm a bit of newbie, but I have searched and read high and low looking 4 this-but either I dont understand the terminology or I just haven't found what I'm looking for. > > My problem is this: (I'm not sure if this is possible with Majordomo even, but I've heard that it is..) I want to be able to > a. set up an autoresponder with majordomo (I can sort of do this) > b. be able to 'queue' messages-i.e. have deliberate delayed sending. E.g.. I type up 6 emails or whatever and then sends each to my list a week apart. Do I need to write a script to do this? or is it already part of majordomo? > > And please bear in mind that I only have access to my server by FTP, because while im at work I cannot access secure ports to get hold of the server ordinarily (proxy thing...) > > If I sound clueless, its probably because I am. BUT I assure you I HAVE tried to find this else where! ;) > > decent chaps. > thanks > > ~Chris From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jun 6 05:28:50 2003 Received: from ns1.lakenet.org (unknown [204.253.93.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815EB197917 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 05:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fire ([204.253.93.8]) by ns1.lakenet.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h56CTuUu000790; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Catharine Robertson" To: "Daniel Liston" Cc: Subject: Re: listname.new and ownership of files Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:26:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3EE027FF.4090101@sonny.org> X-Archive-Number: 200306/55 X-Sequence-Number: 3259 Thanks for this, Dan. I'll try it again today. I have a couple of questions about what you wrote. Fyi, I've worked with solaris for a couple of years, but infrequently, so my level of expertise is low. 1a. What is Tmajordom/Tmajordomo? I don't see this in the documentation. If it's not there, do you mind explaining to this majordomo novice why it's needed? 7. At first I was indeed having trouble with make install, as you indicated, but got past it. 10. My config-test eventually came back with 0 errors, but I couldn't send to any lists. After I got the log working (also didn't install correctly, despite no error saying so), I saw that I had the wrong ownerships and permissions for the list files. Once I changed those, I could send to my lists. What I can't do is any list administration such as subscribing and unsubscribing people or who or which commands. That's what I was asking about yesterday, but I know my message was rather long. Here's a log entry for list administration commands: Jun 05 13:38:26 lakenet.org majordomo[28550] {} approve PASSWO RD unsubscribe flls-l user@org.org Jun 05 13:38:26 lakenet.org majordomo[28550] {} ABORT Can't op en /opt/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/flls-l.new: Permission denied I was asking about the flls-l.new file that majordomo automatically created, why it's there, what permissions it needs, or how to get rid of it. Catharine -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Liston Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:35 AM To: croberts@lakenet.org Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: listname.new and ownership of files I posted a recipe for a successful install a couple years back. Let me see. My current configuration has a link to perl in /bin from /usr/bin, not that it should matter, and cc is linked to gcc in /usr/bin. These are my install steps. 1. create a majordom user and group in /etc/passwd and /etc/group. note1: "majordomo" if no 8 character limitation in your OS 1a. add "Tmajordom" to /etc/sendmail.cf # or Tmajordomo 2. make note of the uid:gid of this user, and the $HOME directory 3. locate your perl and gcc tools, you need this in the next step 4. edit Makefile 4a. PERL = /usr/local/bin/perl 4b. CC = /usr/local/bin/gcc 4c. W_HOME = /opt/majordomo # <$HOME from above in step 2> 4d. MAN = $(W_HOME)/man # /usr/man or /usr/local/man 4e. W_USER = 400 # uid from above in step 2 4f. W_GROUP = 400 # gid from above in step 2 note4ef: These must match the 3rd and 4th column of /etc/passwd 4g. The following defaults are fine; FILE_MODE = 644 EXEC_MODE = 755 HOME_MODE = 751 4h. Your OS is POSIX so these are fine too; WRAPPER_OWNER = root WRAPPER_GROUP = $(W_GROUP) WRAPPER_MODE = 4755 POSIX = -DPOSIX_UID=$(W_USER) -DPOSIX_GID=$(W_GROUP) TMPDIR = /var/tmp 5. copy sample.cf to majordomo.cf 5a. edit majordomo.cf. I only list lines needing changes $whereami = "example.com"; # change to your domain $homedir = "/opt/majordomo"; # same as above in 2 and 4c. $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests"; # note plural $sendmail_command # uncomment the line appropriate to your OS $TMPDIR = $ENV{'TMPDIR'} || "$homedir/tmp"; note5: Make sure you are the root user in bash or sh shell 6. make wrapper 7. make install # is this where your process dies now? 8. make install-wrapper 9. edit /etc/aliases to add/modify; majordomo: "|/opt/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: you, majordomo-owner: owner-majordomo 10. If you got past steps 6, 7, and 8 (#perl problem#) cd then ./wrapper config-test Once this comes back successful, it is majordomo admin as usual. :) Sendmail will squawk about any directory in the path to a list that is world or group writable. They can be executable/searchable but not writable. Sendmail will also complain about the group writable permission on your list file. Notice the ownerships and permission on the example provided in the sendmail FAQ. http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.32 Have you tried using my newlist.pl script? Additional reading for your listowners, Doc/list-owner-info. Dan Liston Catharine Robertson wrote: > I was able to run a config-test that returned 0 errors after mucking around > with some permissions. So now I can send to my lists (from migrated data), > but no listowners are able to do any adding or deleting. I have read and > reread the FAQ, the INSTALL doc, and the README doc, but I'm still getting > error messages about "not owner." > > Can some kind soul offer another pair of eyes to spot what I'm obviously > missing? > > Here's an example of a list for which it's possible to send messages, but > the owner cannot make any changes: > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom daemon 826 Jun 5 13:09 flls-l > drw-rw-r-- 2 majordom daemon 1536 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.archive > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 12107 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.config > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom daemon 397 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.info > -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom daemon 6 Jun 4 14:17 flls-l.passwd > > (I got errors sending to the list until I changed the ownership of > flls-l.config to majordom:daemon). > > And here's a log entry from when he tried to make changes to the list. > > Jun 05 13:38:26 lakenet.org majordomo[28550] {} approve > PASSWO > RD unsubscribe flls-l user@org.org > Jun 05 13:38:26 lakenet.org majordomo[28550] {} ABORT > Can't op > en /opt/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/flls-l.new: Permission denied > > Why is majordomo creating a file called flls-l.new? Should it be? If yes, > what should its ownership and permissions be? I've tried all permutations of > majordom:majordom, majordom:daemon, mailnull:smadmin, 660, and 664. If no, > how can I get rid of it? I've also tried deleting the file outright, but it > gets created again, with the ownership of mailnull:smadmin. But then I get > errors about it running with the wrong uid and gid. > > Additionally, all the directories in the path leading to flls-l.new, > /opt/majordomo-1.94.5/lists, have permissions of 750 or 755, as specified in > the FAQ. > > Please help! > > Catharine > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jun 6 05:48:55 2003 Received: from garuda.wmin.ac.uk (garuda.wmin.ac.uk [161.74.160.7]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380411959DA for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 05:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ncs-mail1.wmin.ac.uk ([161.74.160.105] helo=ncs-maila.intranet.wmin.ac.uk) by garuda.wmin.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19OGeE-0006Wp-00 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:48:46 +0100 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Keeping lists in two machines in sync. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:47:36 +0100 Message-ID: <9CABEB154ED3544D9FF197466A7391C7016108@NCS-MAILB.intranet.wmin.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Keeping lists in two machines in sync. Thread-Index: AcMsKczvfMfXbr2oTeOtbxGz+AfsZg== From: "Sujit Choudhury" To: X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19OGeE-0006Wp-00*9GRpZED3qvM* X-Archive-Number: 200306/56 X-Sequence-Number: 3260 Dear All, We have two MTA - one the main one and the other the backup one. MX record= for the main one is lower than the backup one. However we are running maj= ordomo on both the machines. This causes one small problem. Sometimes the= secondary MTA's majordomo files are updated if the request reaches the sec= ondary MTA. I use rsync to maintain any changes in the primary MTA's majordomo files ar= e reflected in the secondary MTA, however have no idea how to keep both of = them in sync. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks Sujit Choudhury From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jun 6 08:55:39 2003 Received: from smtp-3.llnl.gov (smtp-3.llnl.gov [128.115.41.83]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CADE196B97 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-3.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.3 $) with ESMTP id h56FtRRN008901; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tickleme.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evsion$) with ESMTP id h56FtRfY015222; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from deb@localhost) by tickleme.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h56FtQ2t015221; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:55:26 -0700 From: Deb To: Sujit Choudhury Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Keeping lists in two machines in sync. Message-ID: <20030606155526.GA15202@tickleme.llnl.gov> Reply-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com References: <9CABEB154ED3544D9FF197466A7391C7016108@NCS-MAILB.intranet.wmin.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9CABEB154ED3544D9FF197466A7391C7016108@NCS-MAILB.intranet.wmin.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Archive-Number: 200306/57 X-Sequence-Number: 3261 Is there some reason you shouldn't/couldn't use rsync on *both* sides, to synchronize both servers? Use options to only update files that are newer... d Sujit Choudhury had this to say, > Dear All, > We have two MTA - one the main one and the other the backup one. MX record for the main one is lower than the backup one. However we are running majordomo on both the machines. This causes one small problem. Sometimes the secondary MTA's majordomo files are updated if the request reaches the secondary MTA. > I use rsync to maintain any changes in the primary MTA's majordomo files are reflected in the secondary MTA, however have no idea how to keep both of them in sync. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Many thanks > > Sujit Choudhury -- o _ _ _ _o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) _< \_ _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ (_)>(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jun 6 09:27:45 2003 Received: from mcastl.juda.com (pool-141-153-202-92.mad.east.verizon.net [141.153.202.92]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221941967D1 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from juda.com (krazyhouse.juda.com [192.168.1.5]) by mcastl.juda.com (8.11.6/) with ESMTP id h56GQSi18765; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:26:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3EE0C0B3.8070303@juda.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:26:27 -0400 From: Burt Juda User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030529 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Keeping lists in two machines in sync. References: <9CABEB154ED3544D9FF197466A7391C7016108@NCS-MAILB.intranet.wmin.ac.uk> <20030606155526.GA15202@tickleme.llnl.gov> In-Reply-To: <20030606155526.GA15202@tickleme.llnl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/58 X-Sequence-Number: 3262 Then there is the possibility that a change could be made on each server. One would be lost during the rsync. You can only do the rsync in one direction at a time. What I did in this situation is to run a script on the backup to rewrite the majordomo list aliases to specifically point to the primary machine. ie: majordomo: majordomo@primary-mx.dom listname: listname@primary-mx.dom This would queue up any mail for majordomo or lists 'til the primary came back online, but there was NO possiblilty of anything getting out of sync. - Burt Deb wrote: >Is there some reason you shouldn't/couldn't use rsync on *both* sides, to >synchronize both servers? Use options to only update files that are newer... > >d > >Sujit Choudhury had this to say, > > > >>Dear All, >>We have two MTA - one the main one and the other the backup one. MX record for the main one is lower than the backup one. However we are running majordomo on both the machines. This causes one small problem. Sometimes the secondary MTA's majordomo files are updated if the request reaches the secondary MTA. >>I use rsync to maintain any changes in the primary MTA's majordomo files are reflected in the secondary MTA, however have no idea how to keep both of them in sync. >> >>Any help would be appreciated. >> >>Many thanks >> >>Sujit Choudhury >> >> > > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jun 6 11:10:26 2003 Received: from mailserver2.strus.com (mailserver2.strus.com [65.204.54.3]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557711989D2 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BACKUP.STRUS.COM ([10.1.1.10]) by mailserver2.strus.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h56I7NxL005882 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:07:23 -0400 Received: by mailserver10.strus.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:07:23 -0400 Message-ID: <67154518D2A4214FAD51120EA26BF0A30174A2C8@mailserver10.strus.com> From: "Kozloski, Matthew" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Keeping lists in two machines in sync. Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:07:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32C56.6DB56580" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Archive-Number: 200306/59 X-Sequence-Number: 3263 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C56.6DB56580 Content-Type: text/plain Have you looked into using Unison via SSH? http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ -----Original Message----- From: Burt Juda [mailto:burt@juda.com] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:26 PM To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Keeping lists in two machines in sync. Then there is the possibility that a change could be made on each server. One would be lost during the rsync. You can only do the rsync in one direction at a time. What I did in this situation is to run a script on the backup to rewrite the majordomo list aliases to specifically point to the primary machine. ie: majordomo: majordomo@primary-mx.dom listname: listname@primary-mx.dom This would queue up any mail for majordomo or lists 'til the primary came back online, but there was NO possiblilty of anything getting out of sync. - Burt Deb wrote: >Is there some reason you shouldn't/couldn't use rsync on *both* sides, >to synchronize both servers? Use options to only update files that are >newer... > >d > >Sujit Choudhury had this to say, > > > >>Dear All, >>We have two MTA - one the main one and the other the backup one. MX >>record for the main one is lower than the backup one. However we are >>running majordomo on both the machines. This causes one small >>problem. Sometimes the secondary MTA's majordomo files are updated if >>the request reaches the secondary MTA. I use rsync to maintain any >>changes in the primary MTA's majordomo files are reflected in the >>secondary MTA, however have no idea how to keep both of them in sync. >> >>Any help would be appreciated. >> >>Many thanks >> >>Sujit Choudhury >> >> > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C56.6DB56580 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Keeping lists in two machines in sync.

Have you looked into using Unison via SSH?  http://ww= w.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/

-----Original Message-----
From: Burt Juda [mailto= :burt@juda.com]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:26 PM
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Keeping lists in two machines in sync.


Then there is the possibility that a change could be made= on each
server.  One would be lost during the rsync.  = You can only do the rsync
in one direction at a time.

What I did in this situation is to run a script on the ba= ckup to rewrite
the majordomo list aliases to specifically point to the = primary
machine.  ie:

     majordomo:  majordomo@prima= ry-mx.dom
     listname:   listname@= primary-mx.dom

This would queue up any mail for majordomo or lists 'til = the primary
came back online, but there was NO possiblilty of anythi= ng getting out
of sync.

    - Burt



Deb wrote:

>Is there some reason you shouldn't/couldn't use rsync= on *both* sides,
>to synchronize both servers?  Use options to on= ly update files that are
>newer...
>
>d
>
>Sujit Choudhury <S.Choudhury@westminster.ac.uk>= ; had this to say,
>
> 
>
>>Dear All,
>>We have two MTA - one the main one and the other= the backup one.  MX
>>record for the main one is lower than the backup= one.  However we are
>>running majordomo on both the machines.  Th= is causes one small
>>problem.  Sometimes the secondary MTA's maj= ordomo files are updated if
>>the request reaches the secondary MTA. I use rsy= nc to maintain any
>>changes in the primary MTA's majordomo files are= reflected in the
>>secondary MTA, however have no idea how to keep = both of them in sync.
>>
>>Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>>Many thanks
>>
>>Sujit Choudhury
>>   
>>
>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C56.6DB56580-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jun 6 16:19:23 2003 Received: from blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com [130.76.32.69]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A674C19AB43 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blv-av-02.boeing.com ([192.42.227.217]) by blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id QAA20754; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-02.boeing.com (8.9.3p2/8.9.2/MBS-AV-02) with ESMTP id QAA23546; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-01.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.33.62.231]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id h56N5gw01692; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NW-25.nw.nos.boeing.com ([192.48.4.99]) by XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6662); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:05:05 -0700 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32C7F.F10CE011" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Subject: Re: Dealing with Spam Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:04:11 -0700 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: RE: Dealing with Spam Thread-Index: AcMsf/EWc+9VxJjCR92h+nTco0Ru9A== From: "Derivas, Eduardo V" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 23:05:05.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[117EE230:01C32C80] X-Archive-Number: 200306/60 X-Sequence-Number: 3264 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C7F.F10CE011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do you have bounced unauthorized emails sent to you instead of the = list owner? I set restrict_post =3D listname in the list config file to pr= event non-members from using the list. This should cut out spam email from the outside of the comp= any. =20 Thanks, Eduardo V deRivas UNIX Administrator IASL Boeing Co. Phone: 206 655 9012 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C7F.F10CE011 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 &nb= sp; =20 How do you have bounced unauthorized emails sent to you instead of the list= =20 owner?
     I set=20 restrict_post       =3D   listname = in the=20 list config file to prevent non-members from
using the= list. This=20 should cut out spam email from the outside of the company.
 
Thanks,

Eduardo V deRivas
UNIX Administrator
IASL
Boeing= =20 Co.
Phone: 206 655 9012

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C7F.F10CE011-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jun 7 09:27:53 2003 Received: from forthnet.gr (athmta05.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.26]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5D31984CC for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp6-229.ath.forthnet.gr (ppp6-229.ath.forthnet.gr [213.16.149.229]) by forthnet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h57GOoD3007669; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:24:52 +0300 From: pinto To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: part-time secretary Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:24:49 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306071624.14500.pinto45@aig.forthnet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/61 X-Sequence-Number: 3265 Dear majordomo-users, I am part-time secretary to a small building cooperative association with about 90 members. We need to send 3 mailings to our members during the next months, concerning intructions for completing land-transfer proceedure. Severely pushed for time, I have tried to understand the FAQ & .ora pages, but I guess I am not understanding too well :( Could you please be so kind at give me some quick-start hints of a 1) , 2) , 3) variety ? I have installed the SuSE Linux ver 8.0 rpm What I need to know { I believe } , is what command I need to give to make my subscriber list, and are Comma-Separated lists OK ? What command do I need to type, to have majordomo send the instructions to our members ? Receive & Reply capabilities are not needed. All that is needed is How to send the Circular letters ? Thanks, Harrassed, &, pushed for time :) Pinto ............... From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jun 7 10:46:52 2003 Received: from earth.msuotc.co.uk (81-86-125-15.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.125.15]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEDB1962E2 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andybev.com ([192.168.0.50]) by earth.msuotc.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57JclwB032674; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:38:48 GMT Message-ID: <3EE22516.9060300@andybev.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:47:02 +0100 From: Andrew Beverley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pinto Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: part-time secretary References: <200306071624.14500.pinto45@aig.forthnet.gr> In-Reply-To: <200306071624.14500.pinto45@aig.forthnet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/62 X-Sequence-Number: 3266 If all you want to do is just email a large group of people, then there's not really any need to install majordomo at all, as by the sounds of it you don't need all the list management features that majordomo offers. I don't know what your knowledge of linux is, or what MTA (sendmail, postfix etc.) you are using, but (for sendmail) all you need to do is something like: 1. Create a file with all your email addresses in it, one per line 2. Copy it to somewhere like /etc/mail 3. Edit /etc/mail/aliases to include an entry like: mylist: :include:/etc/mail/listfile 4. Update aliases by entering the command 'newaliases' You can now email to 'mylist' and your email will be sent to all those addresses in the list file you copied over. Reply if you need these instructions a bit clearer. I'm not sure how this varies for other MTA's Andy Beverley pinto wrote: > Dear majordomo-users, > > I am part-time secretary to a small building cooperative association with > about 90 members. > > We need to send 3 mailings to our members during the next months, concerning > intructions for completing land-transfer proceedure. > > Severely pushed for time, I have tried to understand the FAQ & .ora pages, > but I guess I am not understanding too well :( > > Could you please be so kind at give me some quick-start hints of a > > 1) , 2) , 3) variety ? > > I have installed the SuSE Linux ver 8.0 rpm > > What I need to know { I believe } , is what command I need to give to make my > subscriber list, and are Comma-Separated lists OK ? > > What command do I need to type, to have majordomo send the instructions to > our members ? > > Receive & Reply capabilities are not needed. > > All that is needed is How to send the Circular letters ? > > Thanks, > > Harrassed, &, pushed for time :) > > Pinto > ............... > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jun 7 12:25:43 2003 Received: from earth.msuotc.co.uk (81-86-125-15.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.125.15]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128F6196990 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andybev.com ([192.168.0.50]) by earth.msuotc.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h57LHbwB000443; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:17:38 GMT Message-ID: <3EE23C40.7020009@andybev.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:25:52 +0100 From: Andrew Beverley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pinto Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: part-time secretary References: <200306071624.14500.pinto45@aig.forthnet.gr> In-Reply-To: <200306071624.14500.pinto45@aig.forthnet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/63 X-Sequence-Number: 3267 Further to my original email, I should just point out that once the list is created as suggested, it is possible for *anyone* to send email to the list, and thus for it to potentially be spammed. If the application is really as simple as you imply (3 emails in the next few months) then you could temporarily disable the list inbetween mailings, by deleting the alias entry or removing the list file. Obviously installing majordomo would enable list moderation, but for something extremely simple such as this, and for a novice (?), is it really necessary to go through the installation and learn the package? Andy Beverley pinto wrote: > Dear majordomo-users, > > I am part-time secretary to a small building cooperative association with > about 90 members. > > We need to send 3 mailings to our members during the next months, concerning > intructions for completing land-transfer proceedure. > > Severely pushed for time, I have tried to understand the FAQ & .ora pages, > but I guess I am not understanding too well :( > > Could you please be so kind at give me some quick-start hints of a > > 1) , 2) , 3) variety ? > > I have installed the SuSE Linux ver 8.0 rpm > > What I need to know { I believe } , is what command I need to give to make my > subscriber list, and are Comma-Separated lists OK ? > > What command do I need to type, to have majordomo send the instructions to > our members ? > > Receive & Reply capabilities are not needed. > > All that is needed is How to send the Circular letters ? > > Thanks, > > Harrassed, &, pushed for time :) > > Pinto > ............... > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 9 01:32:07 2003 Received: from mailspool.ops.uunet.co.za (mailspool.ops.uunet.co.za [196.7.0.140]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D928A1959F8 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.8.37.50] (helo=splsrv.microtek.co.za) by mailspool.ops.uunet.co.za with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19PI4P-0007lY-00 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:32:01 +0200 Subject: Scheduled sending Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:33:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Scheduled sending thread-index: AcMuWS0XQHZLoi5YEcODZN6gIVf0bg== From: "Christopher Cox" To: X-Archive-Number: 200306/64 X-Sequence-Number: 3268 Hey, Thx 4 the help on my other query btw, to the guys who did. I'd like to know if it is possible to get majordomo, without using an outsi= de program, to send mail to users on my lists on different schedules. For example, my list has been established and has received several mailings= from me already (its a newsletter list, not a forum or whatever) and then = on week 3 a guy signs up to my list. How do I get him to receive week 1's m= ail without creating a new list JUST for him, while the rest all receive we= ek 4's mail? If I DO need an outside program, what should I use? thanks a lot! ~Chris From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jun 9 05:11:01 2003 Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E79195AC1 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.194.112.77] (helo=skipper.averillpark.net) by krusty-motorsports.com with asmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.14) id 19PLJs-0008S1-1t for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:00:12 +0000 Received: from rwelty by skipper.averillpark.net with local (Exim 4.14) id 19PLHG-0003UY-8F for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 07:57:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:57:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Welty Subject: Re: Scheduled sending To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64 'Sparc', compiled for Linux 2.4.9-13 i686 Message-Id: X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . X-Archive-Number: 200306/65 X-Sequence-Number: 3269 On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:33:46 +0200 Christopher Cox wrote: > For example, my list has been established and has received several > mailings from me already (its a newsletter list, not a forum or > whatever) and then on week 3 a guy signs up to my list. How do I get him > to receive week 1's mail without creating a new list JUST for him, while > the rest all receive week 4's mail? do you really want to do this? on week 32, do you for example want him to receive newsletters from weeks 1-31? that could be a lot. > If I DO need an outside program, what should I use? i'd archive it and provide instructions on how to access the archive. there are a couple of archive tools that come with majordomo, as well as some add-on web archive tools like MHonArc and HyperMail that work well. richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@suespammers.org Averill Park Networking rwelty@averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security rwelty@krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jun 10 14:00:02 2003 Received: from smtp.cavtel.net (smtp0.cavtel.net [64.83.0.22]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751451963CA for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ceit (unknown [64.83.52.18]) by smtp.cavtel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C0F81581B6 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <017b01c32f93$448cc500$c907a8c0@ceit> From: "Jason Jacobs" To: Subject: Anyone use FreshAddress? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:00:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0178_01C32F71.BC964340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Archive-Number: 200306/66 X-Sequence-Number: 3270 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0178_01C32F71.BC964340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm just curious if anyone is using this product and how well you're satisf= ied with it. -j ------=_NextPart_000_0178_01C32F71.BC964340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm just curious if anyone is using this p= roduct=20 and how well you're satisfied with it.
 
-j
------=_NextPart_000_0178_01C32F71.BC964340-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 11 06:05:39 2003 Received: from eagle.netwrx1.com (unknown [156.46.225.18]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603DC196153 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notebook1.netwrx1.com ([156.46.225.19]) by eagle.netwrx1.com with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19Q5J8-0000CP-00; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:06:30 -0500 From: George Kasica To: "Jason Jacobs" Cc: Subject: Re: Anyone use FreshAddress? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:06:30 -0500 Organization: Netwrx Consulting Inc. Reply-To: georgek@netwrx1.com Message-ID: References: <017b01c32f93$448cc500$c907a8c0@ceit> In-Reply-To: <017b01c32f93$448cc500$c907a8c0@ceit> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanner: exiscan *19Q5J8-0000CP-00*9QKjGSe2wmk* (Netwrx Consulting Inc., Jackson, WI USA) X-Archive-Number: 200306/67 X-Sequence-Number: 3271 >On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:00:03 -0400, you wrote: >I'm just curious if anyone is using this product and how well you're satisfied with it. > >-j Tried it, got tons of user complaints about privacy and why I "sold" their addresses, plus it didn't work here after MONTHS of trying and support was very slow...days between a question and wrong answer. I'd avoid it. George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 President +1 206 374 6482 FAX Netwrx Consulting Inc. Jackson, WI USA http://www.netwrx1.com georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 11 07:04:03 2003 Received: from mfwjs01.mfw.is.co.za (mfwjs01.mfw.is.co.za [196.35.77.13]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8922B1966E2 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sabinet.co.za (not verified[192.96.193.110]) by mfwjs01.mfw.is.co.za with MailMarshal (4,2,5,0) id ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:00:22 +0200 Received: from sabinet.co.za (hennie.sabinet.co.za [192.96.193.28]) by mail.sabinet.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23741 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:06:12 +0300 (SADT) Message-ID: <3EE735BC.7040401@sabinet.co.za> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:59:24 +0200 From: Hennie Rautenbach Reply-To: hennie@sabinet.co.za Organization: SABINET Online User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020314 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: quoted text stripping filter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/68 X-Sequence-Number: 3272 Dear folks, Can anyone point me to a filter that strips majordomo distributed messages of unnecessary quoted text ? Such as the most annoying disclaimers etc. that always end up in the replies (digests etc.) Is there such a beast ? Looking forward to your positive reply. Best regards, Hennie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this e-mail are the opinion of the writer only and are not endorsed by Sabinet Online Limited unless expressly stated otherwise. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 11 13:43:47 2003 Received: from smtp.cavtel.net (smtp0.cavtel.net [64.83.0.22]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BA9196797 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ceit (unknown [64.83.52.18]) by smtp.cavtel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CD0D58189 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004f01c3305a$29fc3410$4000a8c0@ceit> From: "Jason Jacobs" To: Subject: connecting a bounced email to "bounce" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:43:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C33038.A2B3CCA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Archive-Number: 200306/69 X-Sequence-Number: 3273 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C33038.A2B3CCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again. :) I've gone through the past two years worth of archives to fin= d out how to correctly use the "bounce" command to remove the bouncing emai= ls from the list and place them on my bounces list. I've gotten a decent u= nderstanding of what bounce does and what to send it, but I'm still not sur= e where to initiate the command. I was hoping wrapper would somehow do it = automatically when a list gets sent out, but I guess not. Is it in a heade= r that goes out with the list that sends the bounces to a bounce user? Whe= re is a good guide about how this all works? Thanks again for your help. -jason ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C33038.A2B3CCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi again. :)  I've gone through the p= ast two=20 years worth of archives to find out how to correctly use the "bounce" comma= nd to=20 remove the bouncing emails from the list and place them on my bounces= =20 list.  I've gotten a decent understanding of what bounce does and what= to=20 send it, but I'm still not sure where to initiate the command.  I was= =20 hoping wrapper would somehow do it automatically when a list gets sent out,= but=20 I guess not.  Is it in a header that goes out with the list that sends= the=20 bounces to a bounce user?  Where is a good guide about how this all=20 works?
 
Thanks again for your help.
 
-jason
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C33038.A2B3CCA0-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 11 14:46:19 2003 Received: from gemini2.navarrocollege.edu (gemini2.navarrocollege.edu [205.165.189.182]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CB21967AD for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini2 (gemini2.navarrocollege.edu [205.165.189.182] (may be forged)) by gemini2.navarrocollege.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5BMW4Xe028875 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:32:04 -0500 Received: from ([10.1.9.1]) by gemini2.navarrocollege.edu (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:32:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EE7A321.5090304@navarrocollege.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:46:09 -0500 From: Dana Holland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: problems with majordomo digests References: <200306052137.h55Lb1lf000695@xrx-inc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/70 X-Sequence-Number: 3274 I had digests working just fine in majordomo 1.94.5 until I decided to configure it for virtual domains. Now individual messages work fine, but digests have quit working. I'm getting the following errors: The original message was received at Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:22:33 -0500 from gemini2.navarrocollege.edu [205.165.189.182] (may be forged) ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf -l rmgroup-digest rmgroup-digest-outgoing" (reason: 255) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Message delivered to mailing list -C used without -l at /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/digest line 502. 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 255 Here's what my majordomo.aliases file looks like: rmgroup: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -l rmgroup -C /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf rmgroup-outgoing" rmgroup-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/dana-holland.com/rmgroup, "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf -l rmgroup-digest rmgroup-digest-outgoing", "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper archive2.pl -a -d -f /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/dana-holland.com/rmgroup-digest.archive" rmgroup-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l rmgroup -C /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf" owner-rmgroup: dana.personal owner-rmgroup-outgoing: owner-rmgroup rmgroup-owner: owner-rmgroup rmgroup-approval: owner-rmgroup rmgroup-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/dana-holland.com/rmgroup-digest.archive/rmgroup -a -M" rmgroup-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf -l rmgroup-digest rmgroup-digest-outgoing" rmgroup-digest: rmgroup owner-rmgroup-digest: owner-rmgroup owner-rmgroup-digest-outgoing: owner-rmgroup rmgroup-digest-owner: owner-rmgroup rmgroup-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -C /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf -l rmgroup-digest" rmgroup-digest-approval: owner-rmgroup -- ************************************************************ Dana Holland dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu 903-875-7355 Navarro College Corsicana, TX http://www.navarrocollege.edu/staff_pages/dana/dana.html ************************************************************ All opinions stated are my own, and probably don't even vaguely resemble those of Navarro College. :) From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 11 15:11:46 2003 Received: from defiant.emacolet.com (unknown [68.156.178.165]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A75196815 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from akelalt ([10.21.9.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by defiant.emacolet.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5BMBcA2000644 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Peter P. Benac" To: Subject: Web Based APP to read archives Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:11:33 -0400 Organization: Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Message-ID: <003501c33066$6b2e26d0$0209150a@emacolet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Archive-Number: 200306/71 X-Sequence-Number: 3275 Greetings, Can some one or a bunch of someone's recommend a good Web Based Package that will read and search the archive files that Majordomo produces. I need this to run on Solaris. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Providing Systems and Network Consulting, Training, Web Hosting Services Phone: 919-847-1740 or 866-701-2345 Web: http://www.emacolet.com Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit http://www.nmsusers.org To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 11 16:02:00 2003 Received: from ntcorp.com (ntcorp.com [198.65.128.165]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8ED6196842 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fidelman@localhost) by ntcorp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5BN1mt12002; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Miles Fidelman X-X-Sender: To: "Peter P. Benac" Cc: Subject: Re: Web Based APP to read archives In-Reply-To: <003501c33066$6b2e26d0$0209150a@emacolet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200306/72 X-Sequence-Number: 3276 On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Peter P. Benac wrote: > Can some one or a bunch of someone's recommend a good Web Based Package > that will read and search the archive files that Majordomo produces. > > I need this to run on Solaris. check out Wilma (ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/wilma/wilma.tgz) - it's a collection of perl cgi scripts that glue together MhonArc (formats email into HTML), Glimpse (a search engine) and some GUI code - putting it all into a nice, easy to install, friendly to use archive tool I've been using it for years and it works quite nicely. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 11 17:51:59 2003 Received: from eagle.netwrx1.com (unknown [156.46.225.18]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3474195F9F for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notebook1.netwrx1.com ([156.46.225.19]) by eagle.netwrx1.com with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19QGKk-0005BI-00; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:52:54 -0500 From: George Kasica To: "Jolley, Carl" Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Anyone use FreshAddress? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:52:54 -0500 Organization: Netwrx Consulting Inc. Reply-To: georgek@netwrx1.com Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanner: exiscan *19QGKk-0005BI-00*fjrauwZn1gg* (Netwrx Consulting Inc., Jackson, WI USA) X-Archive-Number: 200306/73 X-Sequence-Number: 3277 >-----Original Message----- >From: George Kasica >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:07 AM >To: Jason Jacobs >Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com >Subject: Re: Anyone use FreshAddress? > > >>On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:00:03 -0400, you wrote: > >>I'm just curious if anyone is using this product and how well you're >satisfied with it. >> >>-j >Tried it, got tons of user complaints about privacy and why I "sold" >their addresses, plus it didn't work here after MONTHS of trying and >support was very slow...days between a question and wrong answer. I'd >avoid it. >--------------------------------------- >Don't you agree that it's worth every dollar you paid for it? Carl: I hope you're being funny, because it cost us a great deal of time and as a result money here to mess with this program, not to mention the customer complaints that resulted from it. Free or not, when a company is selling or providing a product and I have a signed contract for support etc. I expect it to be at least marginally honored. They wren't even close. I get more support for truly FREE and Open majordomo than I did for this. George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 President +1 206 374 6482 FAX Netwrx Consulting Inc. Jackson, WI USA http://www.netwrx1.com georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 11 17:52:33 2003 Received: from web80011.mail.yahoo.com (web80011.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.168.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B0CB1969DD for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20030612005231.1091.qmail@web80011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.122.24.254] by web80011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:52:31 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Hernandez Subject: Basic Restrict Post Question To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200306/74 X-Sequence-Number: 3278 This has probably been answered here many times before so bear with me. How do I allow who_access to a single email address? Can this be done by using restrict_post in the .config file for the list? How does one set this up? I need to restrict only the who_access, not the other access settings. Thanks. CH From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 11 20:16:08 2003 Received: from volcano.tenet.res.in (unknown [202.144.28.163]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0A419649D for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lantana.iitm.ernet.in (lantana.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.241.207]) by volcano.tenet.res.in (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5C3GuC17533 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:46:56 +0530 Received: from saaranga.iitm.ernet.in (saaranga.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.241.134]) by lantana.iitm.ernet.in (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5C3Fh819065 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:45:43 +0530 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:45:24 +0530 (IST) From: R Deepak X-X-Sender: rdeepak@saaranga.iitm.ernet.in To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: taboo_headers problem.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200306/75 X-Sequence-Number: 3279 Hi, I'm new to the list and majordomo... :) I have this problem with taboo_headers. What I want to do: Allow only mails from certain domains (domain as in the domain of the email address) to be able to send mail to the list. I do not know before hand what email address the sender will be using. Only the domain. This is what I have in my config file... taboo_headers << END /^from.*\@(?!lantana)/i END This I think is a perl regex which will *not* match a From address that has 'lantana' in it's domain. xyz@lantana.com should *not* match.. xyz@yahoo.com will match.. taboo_headers will reject anything that matches... and this will match all domains that do not have 'lantana' in them. So, only mails from lantana should be accepted. But, this does not seem to work.. it bounces it. Is there any other way of specifing that only particular domains should be able to send mail to a list? Any help would be nice. Thanks Deepak From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 11 22:44:43 2003 Received: from wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF221968AE for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eds.wrenkasky.com (eds.wrenkasky.com [10.10.10.11]) by wrenkasky.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5C5iq0L030609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:44:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030611223915.00ad1c90@mail.esson.net> X-Sender: ed@mail.esson.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:44:51 -0700 To: Christopher Hernandez From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: Basic Restrict Post Question Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <20030612005231.1091.qmail@web80011.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200306/76 X-Sequence-Number: 3280 At 05:52 PM Wednesday, 6/11/2003, Christopher Hernandez wrote -=> >This has probably been answered here many times before >so bear with me. > >How do I allow who_access to a single email address? God I love the documentation in the config files ;-) # restrict_post [restrict_post] (undef) # If defined, only addresses listed in these files (colon or space # separated) can post to the mailing list. By default, these files # are relative to the lists directory. These files are also checked # when get_access, index_access, info_access, intro_access, # which_access, or who_access is set to 'list'. This is less useful # than it seems it should be since there is no way to create these # files if you do not have access to the machine running resend. # This mechanism will be replaced in a future version of # majordomo/resend. restrict_post = name_of_file.here IOW, put the one email address in a file in the same dir as the lists dir. I have one list that is announcement only that is setup exactly this way and works fine. Ed Kasky Los Angeles, CA . . . . . . . . It is one of the most beautiful compensations of this life that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself. -Ralph Waldo Emerson From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 12 08:09:11 2003 Received: from web80002.mail.yahoo.com (web80002.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.168.132]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 484B6196814 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20030612150907.4418.qmail@web80002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.28.128.110] by web80002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:09:07 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:09:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Hernandez Subject: Re: Basic Restrict Post Question To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <3EE83547.1060001@andybev.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200306/77 X-Sequence-Number: 3281 Overriding the closed status with approve has solved my problem perfectly, thanks. --- Andrew Beverley wrote: > I think maybe Chris is looking to restrict the > access to 'who' in this > way, but to not affect restriction of posting to the > list etc. > > I'm not sure if that's possible as such, but one > thing that it took me a > long time to realise (not sure how well it's > documented) is that it's > possible to use the approve command in conjunction > with the who command. > So you can deny use of the who command to everyone, > and then the one > user can use: > > approve list.password who list > > to get the list of emails. > > Andy Beverley > > > Ed Kasky wrote: > > > At 05:52 PM Wednesday, 6/11/2003, Christopher > Hernandez wrote -=> > > > >> This has probably been answered here many times > before > >> so bear with me. > >> > >> How do I allow who_access to a single email > address? > > > > > > God I love the documentation in the config files > ;-) > > > > # restrict_post [restrict_post] > (undef) > > # If defined, only addresses listed in > these files (colon or space > > # separated) can post to the mailing list. > By default, these files > > # are relative to the lists directory. > These files are also checked > > # when get_access, index_access, > info_access, intro_access, > > # which_access, or who_access is set to > 'list'. This is less useful > > # than it seems it should be since there > is no way to create these > > # files if you do not have access to the > machine running resend. > > # This mechanism will be replaced in a > future version of > > # majordomo/resend. > > restrict_post = name_of_file.here > > > > IOW, put the one email address in a file in the > same dir as the lists > > dir. I have one list that is announcement only > that is setup exactly > > this way and works fine. > > > > > > Ed Kasky > > Los Angeles, CA > > . . . . . . . . > > It is one of the most beautiful compensations of > this life that no man can > > sincerely try to help another without helping > himself. -Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 12 09:53:37 2003 Received: from smtp03.wlv.untd.com (smtp03.wlv.untd.com [209.247.163.66]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DE5231969E0 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18221 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 16:53:26 -0000 Received: from dialup-67.31.208.176.dial1.tampa1.level3.net (HELO netzero.net) (67.31.208.176) by smtp03.wlv.untd.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 16:53:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3EE8AFDD.7000802@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:52:45 -0400 From: Kirk Bailey Organization: Silas Dent Memorial Cabal of ERIS Esoteric and hot dog boiling society User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ppbenac@emacolet.com, majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Web Based APP to read archives References: <003501c33066$6b2e26d0$0209150a@emacolet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200306/78 X-Sequence-Number: 3282 SOLUTION #1:Tinylist's archive menu/reader script pair. Granted, you need to do a little adapting. But the file is a flat text file, and tinylist reads it in and spews it out to the web page the guest receives, in a simple text area. This preserves the paragraphing and performs automatic word wrap. As the means of creation is a little different in TL than in majordomo, appearances will vary somewhat, but this should not be a major hurdle. The archive reader is 2 scripts. One looks at the lists directory and builds a menu of available archives; these are named (listname).archive. as you probably do not have your majordomo lists in /lists under the web cgi-bin, you may have to go in and hack some path declarations in both scripts. I forget how majordomo handles this, but this ought to be easily changable at one end (majordomo) or the other (the archive menu/reader script pair). Here is a working example of the archive reader for you to look at: http://www.listville.net/cgi-bin/TLarchivemenu.py And here another: http://tinylist.org/cgi-bin/TLarchivemenu.py Obviously, a different product, but it was built on basic conventions so similar to- and inspired by- majordomo, that adapting it ought not be a major problem. SOLUTION #2:ssi include of the archive file. ASSUMING: 1. the path to the archives was /etc/mail/majordomo/archives AND 2. the archive name was 'mylist.archive' create a web page with the ssi include: This is ultra simple. It also has certain drawbacks. 1. Ignores newline chars. will simply keep streaming data, and wordwrap at the end of available screen space. paragraphing in the source will be ignored. 2. Preceeding and folling with the 
 tag pair will preserve paragraphing 
composing, but many email clients simply send everything typed as a long line until the 
sender hits [enter] a few times for a paragraph.
THIS WILL DISPLAY THE MESSAGE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.

To overcome these effects, place the ssi in a TEXTAREA form component. No action or 
submit button needed,  just the text area. It will respect newlines, tabs, and other 
whitespace effectors. IT WILL WORDWRAP if you told it to in the textarea tag.

Doing this in a simple html page means you need one such page per list. And there is no 
menu available for the archives. TL overcomes all these difficulties, and does it with 
the ease of automation. TL uses the textarea tag, menus the archives, reads in the 
archive, and kicks it out IN the text area, adding all relevant path and domain data.

Hope this helps.





Peter P. Benac wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
>     Can some one or a bunch of someone's recommend a good Web Based Package
> that will read and search the archive files that Majordomo produces.  
> 
>     I need this to run on Solaris.
> 
> Regards,
> Pete
> ----
> Peter P. Benac, CCNA
> Emacolet Networking Services, Inc
> Providing Systems and Network Consulting, Training, Web Hosting Services
> Phone: 919-847-1740 or 866-701-2345
> Web: http://www.emacolet.com
> Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit
> http://www.nmsusers.org
> 
> To have principles...
>              First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!!
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 

end

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If your list is configured such that all email is distributed by the
listname-owner@your.domain address, this alias should get any bounced
emails from bad addresses, full mailboxes, etc.  Since this alias "should"
point to a human's mailbox, that human is responsible for sending the
command to majordomo to remove the address from the appropriate list and
add that address to the bounces list.

To: majordomo@your.domain
From: owner-listname@your.domain
Subject: (none)

approve  unsubscribe listname user@unknown.address
approve  subscribe bounces user@unknown.address (YYYY/MM/DD listname)


The key to making this work is using "auto" sub/unsub on the bounces list,
and "strip = no".  The "bounce" script tries to automate this process to
some degree simply by combining the two commands above into one line.

bounce listname user@unknown.address

but has a dependency on the user executing the command having a $HOME
directory on the same box as majordomo, and that directory contains a
.majordomo file with passwords for each list.

Majordomo II has bounce automation of some sort, but that is not in my
area of expertise.  Otherwise you might also want to try to dig up an
OLD copy of "bouncefilter" to try to help you automate this process with
majordomo 1.x.

Dan Liston

Jason Jacobs wrote:
> Hi again. :)  I've gone through the past two years worth of archives to 
> find out how to correctly use the "bounce" command to remove the 
> bouncing emails from the list and place them on my bounces list.  I've 
> gotten a decent understanding of what bounce does and what to send it, 
> but I'm still not sure where to initiate the command.  I was hoping 
> wrapper would somehow do it automatically when a list gets sent out, but 
> I guess not.  Is it in a header that goes out with the list that sends 
> the bounces to a bounce user?  Where is a good guide about how this all 
> works?
>  
> Thanks again for your help.
>  
> -jason



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From: Daniel Liston 
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To: hennie@sabinet.co.za
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: quoted text stripping filter
References: <3EE735BC.7040401@sabinet.co.za>
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You mean like the footer stamped onto your message? :)

Procmail can manipulate a message just about any way you want it to.
The problem is writing a regular expression that will strip out what
you want stripped while NOT stripping lines you do not want stripped
out.

Dan Liston

Hennie Rautenbach wrote:
> Dear folks,
> 
> Can anyone point me to a filter that strips majordomo distributed 
> messages of unnecessary quoted text ? Such as the most annoying 
> disclaimers etc. that always end up in the replies (digests etc.)
> 
> Is there such a beast ?
> 
> Looking forward to your positive reply.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Hennie
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is confidential
> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please
> delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this e-mail are the
> opinion of the writer only and are not endorsed by Sabinet Online
> Limited unless expressly stated otherwise.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------



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Check out this patch ...

ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/restrict2domain.1

Dan Liston

R Deepak wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm new to the list and majordomo... :)
> 
> I have this problem with taboo_headers.
> 
> What I want to do:
> 
> Allow only mails from certain domains (domain as in the domain of the
> email address) to be able to send mail to the list. I do not know before
> hand what email address the sender will be using. Only the domain.
> 
> This is what I have in my config file...
> 
> taboo_headers       <<  END
> /^from.*\@(?!lantana)/i
> 
> END
> 
> 
> This I think is a perl regex which will *not* match a From address that
> has 'lantana' in it's domain.
> 
> xyz@lantana.com should *not* match..
> xyz@yahoo.com will match..
> 
> taboo_headers will reject anything that matches... and this will match all
> domains that do not have 'lantana' in them. So, only mails from lantana
> should be accepted.
> 
> But, this does not seem to work.. it bounces it.
> 
> Is there any other way of specifing that only particular domains should be
> able to send mail to a list?
> 
> Any help would be nice.
> 
> Thanks
> Deepak



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To: Daniel Liston 
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- Check out this patch ...
-
- ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/restrict2domain.1
-

Doesn't seem to.

After applying the patch, I set restrict_post to

--
restrict_post       = all.restrict
--

all.restrict is a file in the lists directory.

Contents of all.restrict

---
@lantana.tenet.res.in
---

It still bounces the message. I put in a \@lantana.tenet.res.in
and checked too!

Deepak


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I was looking through archive, but I couldn't find an answer. Here is my 
question:

How do I set it up so that the originator of a message doesn't get a copy of 
his/her own message back?

Thank you!


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Nope ! I want everything stripped that has a ">" at the beginning of the 
line except for the top 5 lines beginning with ">" !

It is to remove the stuff that people don't trim from their messages 
when replying.

Daniel Liston wrote:

> You mean like the footer stamped onto your message? :)
>
> Procmail can manipulate a message just about any way you want it to.
> The problem is writing a regular expression that will strip out what
> you want stripped while NOT stripping lines you do not want stripped
> out.
>
> Dan Liston
>
> Hennie Rautenbach wrote:
>
>> Dear folks,
>>
>> Can anyone point me to a filter that strips majordomo distributed 
>> messages of unnecessary quoted text ? Such as the most annoying 
>> disclaimers etc. that always end up in the replies (digests etc.)
>>
>> Is there such a beast ?
>>
>> Looking forward to your positive reply.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Hennie
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
>>
>> This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is confidential
>> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please
>> delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this e-mail are the
>> opinion of the writer only and are not endorsed by Sabinet Online
>> Limited unless expressly stated otherwise.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
>
>
>

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From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Fri Jun 13 07:17:48 2003
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Thanks, Dan.  I did find out about bouncefilter yesterday, but what I found
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-j



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Hello anyone there?

Is it possible to delete a set of test messages so they do not go out 
with the digest.


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To: 
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:04:17 -0400
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Hello,

I was wondering if there was a way for majordomo to send a bounce message
back to the sender, I currently receive all bounced messages but would like
to have it both ways if possible.

Brandon Amundson
BBN Technologies
703 284 1294


This space has been accidentally left blank.


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On 13 Jun 2003 07:37:13 -0700 T Dodge  wrote:

> Hello anyone there?

> Is it possible to delete a set of test messages so they do not go out 
> with the digest.

yes, if you're quick and careful.

it's safer to shut down your MTA while deleting the messages and then
turn it back up (we exim users would typically put exim in queue-only
mode while messing with such a directory.)

there is some digest spool directory on your disk somewhere, look for
$digest_work_dir in your majordomo.cf file.

go to the subdirectory of that directory. all the messages will be in
there. you will need to 1) remove the test messages and 2) close up the
names; e.g. if you need to remove 003 and 005, leaving others up to 006,
you need to 

rm 003 005
mv 004 003
mv 006 004

and also make sure that the ownership and permissions are undisturbed.

richard
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To: "Brandon Amundson" ,
	
From: Ed Kasky 
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Cc: 
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Are you referring to non-member submissions?  If so, the setting is in each 
list.config:


# non_member_bounce    [enum] (sender)  /;sender;sender-owner
# One of three values: blank, sender, or sender-owner.  If left
# blank the message is bounced to the list owner.  Sender allows
# the sender to be notified in addition to the owner receiving the
# bounced message. Sender-owner causes the sender to be notified,
# but not the owner.

non_member_bounce   =   sender-owner


At 11:04 AM Friday, 6/13/2003, Brandon Amundson wrote -=>
>Hello,
>
>I was wondering if there was a way for majordomo to send a bounce message
>back to the sender, I currently receive all bounced messages but would like
>to have it both ways if possible.
>
>Brandon Amundson
>BBN Technologies
>703 284 1294
>
>
>This space has been accidentally left blank.


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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:22:03 -0700
From: Deb 
To: Brandon Amundson 
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Bounce Messages
Message-ID: <20030613152203.GA21063@tickleme.llnl.gov>
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Check out the the patch repository:

	ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/

I believe the config_parse.pl-resend.1 patch does what you want...

Enjoy!
deb

Brandon Amundson  had this to say,
> Hello,
> 
> I was wondering if there was a way for majordomo to send a bounce message
> back to the sender, I currently receive all bounced messages but would like
> to have it both ways if possible.
> 
> Brandon Amundson
> BBN Technologies
> 703 284 1294
> 
> 
> This space has been accidentally left blank.

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From: Deb 
To: Ed Kasky 
Cc: Brandon Amundson ,
	majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Bounce Messages
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Ed,

That setting is only available (I believe!) if you have the
config_parse.pl-resend.1 patch applied.  I don't think it's in the main
distribution... but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. (What? Me
Worry?)


deb


Ed Kasky  had this to say,
> Are you referring to non-member submissions?  If so, the setting is in each 
> list.config:
> 
> 
> # non_member_bounce    [enum] (sender)  /;sender;sender-owner
> # One of three values: blank, sender, or sender-owner.  If left
> # blank the message is bounced to the list owner.  Sender allows
> # the sender to be notified in addition to the owner receiving the
> # bounced message. Sender-owner causes the sender to be notified,
> # but not the owner.
> 
> non_member_bounce   =   sender-owner
> 
> 
> At 11:04 AM Friday, 6/13/2003, Brandon Amundson wrote -=>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I was wondering if there was a way for majordomo to send a bounce message
> >back to the sender, I currently receive all bounced messages but would like
> >to have it both ways if possible.
> >
> >Brandon Amundson
> >BBN Technologies
> >703 284 1294
> >
> >
> >This space has been accidentally left blank.

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1. Is this a good idea? Getting a copy back from the list insures that the message went 
out to the list! If you do not get it back, you don't know for sure! But it's your call.

2. majordomo uses sendmail's :include: function in sending out messages. Sendmail does 
not offer such a facility, unless you hack it in. As long as list outgoing aliases use 
this function to ransmit messages, you're going to have a real problem.

3. Were you to use some other program to handle transmitting list traffic which read the 
membership file, and transmitted each message indivigually, it would in essense be 
performing a loop which lends itself to modification. That modofied loop would look 
something like:

#(python code warning!)
f1=open(listname,'r')			# open in the membership file
listmembers=f1.readlines(filename)	# read in all the lines in it
f1.close()				# close the file access
for eachmember in listmembers:		# walk through the list of members
		if eachmember!=from:	# != means 'NOT EQUAL TO'
			sendmail(from, eachmember, subject, message)
		else:			# These 4 lines implement the exclusion function
			pass		# DO NOTHING. you can exclude these 2 lines.
sys.exit()				#  exit the program


ok, this is written in python, but it ought to get the idea across.
If the sender (from) and the current address are identical, DO NOT send the message,
and continue with the loop  until you exaust all the addresses in the variable 
'listmembers'. Then exit the program.

Flexibility in this program is a usefull assett. This could be switched on by the 
presence of a file:

#(python code warning!)
f1=open(listname,'r')			# open in the membership file
listmembers=f1.readlines(filename)	# read in all the lines in it
f1.close()				# close the file access
for eachmember in listmembers:		# walk through the list of members
	if os.exists(listname+'.exclude'):
	`	if eachmember!=from:	# != means 'NOT EQUAL TO'
			smtp.sendmail(from, eachmember, subject, messagebody)
		else:			# These 4 lines implement the exclusion function
			pass		# DO NOTHING. you can exclude these 2 lines.
		sys.exit()		#  exit the program
	else:
		smtp.sendmail(from,eachmember, subject, messagebody)
sys.exit()

Now this code is off the top of my head; I think programming in python these days. :-)
I do not gurantee it will work as is; if you speak python, please vet the thing closely 
for bugs. Doing it this way gives the postmaster choices- exclude originator or not?

I think I'll offer this option in the next edition of TinyList; it's a trivial refinement.

Hope this helps.


Klemen Humerca wrote:
> I was looking through archive, but I couldn't find an answer. Here is my 
> question:
> 
> How do I set it up so that the originator of a message doesn't get a copy of 
> his/her own message back?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 


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This is a fine idea, but how do you handle differences between top
posters, bottom posters, and those that insert comments inline with
the quoted message body?

You could modify 'resend' to do what you want with a regular
expression to monitor the message body too.  Without regard to the
warnings in my first paragraph, the code would look something like
this;

while  {
    if (( $_ =~ m/^>.*$/ ) && ( $. >= 6 )) {
       next;
    }
}

To explain, the code above is checking the message body for lines
beginning with "> anything to end of line" and skipping over them
if the line number is greater than 5.

Dan Liston

Hennie Rautenbach wrote:
> Nope ! I want everything stripped that has a ">" at the beginning of the 
> line except for the top 5 lines beginning with ">" !
> 
> It is to remove the stuff that people don't trim from their messages 
> when replying.
> 
> Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
>> You mean like the footer stamped onto your message? :)
>>
>> Procmail can manipulate a message just about any way you want it to.
>> The problem is writing a regular expression that will strip out what
>> you want stripped while NOT stripping lines you do not want stripped
>> out.
>>
>> Dan Liston
>>
>> Hennie Rautenbach wrote:
>>
>>> Dear folks,
>>>
>>> Can anyone point me to a filter that strips majordomo distributed 
>>> messages of unnecessary quoted text ? Such as the most annoying 
>>> disclaimers etc. that always end up in the replies (digests etc.)
>>>
>>> Is there such a beast ?
>>>
>>> Looking forward to your positive reply.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Hennie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>
>>>
>>> This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is confidential
>>> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please
>>> delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this e-mail are the
>>> opinion of the writer only and are not endorsed by Sabinet Online
>>> Limited unless expressly stated otherwise.
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 



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The patch will allow you to use syntax such as;

restrict_post = @lantana.tenet.res.in

Anyone that attempts to write to your list from
any other domain will cause a bounce to the list
owner or moderator.

I do not believe it allows for the same syntax
within a file defined on the restrict_post line.

Dan Liston

R Deepak wrote:
> - Check out this patch ...
> -
> - ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/restrict2domain.1
> -
> 
> Doesn't seem to.
> 
> After applying the patch, I set restrict_post to
> 
> --
> restrict_post       = all.restrict
> --
> 
> all.restrict is a file in the lists directory.
> 
> Contents of all.restrict
> 
> ---
> @lantana.tenet.res.in
> ---
> 
> It still bounces the message. I put in a \@lantana.tenet.res.in
> and checked too!
> 
> Deepak



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	"R Deepak" 
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I applied this patch and did tried it, but it did not work for me. Majordom=
o was looking for a list called @companydomain.com. Has anyone had success =
with this patch?

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:14 PM
To: R Deepak
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain


The patch will allow you to use syntax such as;

restrict_post =3D @lantana.tenet.res.in

Anyone that attempts to write to your list from
any other domain will cause a bounce to the list
owner or moderator.

I do not believe it allows for the same syntax
within a file defined on the restrict_post line.

Dan Liston

R Deepak wrote:
> - Check out this patch ...
> -
> - ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/restrict2domain.1
> -
>=20
> Doesn't seem to.
>=20
> After applying the patch, I set restrict_post to
>=20
> --
> restrict_post       =3D all.restrict
> --
>=20
> all.restrict is a file in the lists directory.
>=20
> Contents of all.restrict
>=20
> ---
> @lantana.tenet.res.in
> ---
>=20
> It still bounces the message. I put in a \@lantana.tenet.res.in
> and checked too!
>=20
> Deepak



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From: Deb 
To: Majordomo Users 
Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
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Use it all the time.  It would be helpful to see how you configured
restrict_post.  Can you copy/paste and send it to us?  

What did you do to test it?  

You can set restrict_post to eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com, then see if you can
post from a different address as well as your own.

If you still have the same problem, how you applied the patch may need to be
investigated.  Also, the fellow who wrote the patch is on the list, so perhaps
he has more helpful suggestions.

deb

Derivas, Eduardo V  had this to say,
> I applied this patch and did tried it, but it did not work for me. Majordomo was looking for a list called @companydomain.com. Has anyone had success with this patch?
> 
> Ed
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:14 PM
> To: R Deepak
> Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
> 
> 
> The patch will allow you to use syntax such as;
> 
> restrict_post = @lantana.tenet.res.in
> 
> Anyone that attempts to write to your list from
> any other domain will cause a bounce to the list
> owner or moderator.
> 
> I do not believe it allows for the same syntax
> within a file defined on the restrict_post line.
> 
> Dan Liston
> 
> R Deepak wrote:
> > - Check out this patch ...
> > -
> > - ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/restrict2domain.1
> > -
> > 
> > Doesn't seem to.
> > 
> > After applying the patch, I set restrict_post to
> > 
> > --
> > restrict_post       = all.restrict
> > --
> > 
> > all.restrict is a file in the lists directory.
> > 
> > Contents of all.restrict
> > 
> > ---
> > @lantana.tenet.res.in
> > ---
> > 
> > It still bounces the message. I put in a \@lantana.tenet.res.in
> > and checked too!
> > 
> > Deepak
> 
> 

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What is your OS and MTA?  If your MTA is sendmail, you could try
turning off the MeToo option.  Otherwise, tell us your restrict_post
setting.  Perhaps there is something that could be done using this.

Dan Liston

Klemen Humerca wrote:
> I was looking through archive, but I couldn't find an answer. Here is my 
> question:
> 
> How do I set it up so that the originator of a message doesn't get a copy of 
> his/her own message back?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 



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I have not played with bouncefilter in a few years, but I am sure the
sendmail 8.7 requirement just means "or newer".

Dan Liston

Jason Jacobs wrote:
> Thanks, Dan.  I did find out about bouncefilter yesterday, but what I found
> was the "official" site with v. 2.1a11.  It says it requires sendmail 8.7,
> but I don't think we have that version.  I'm going to figure this jive out
> today! ;)
> 
> -j
> 



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	When I applied the restrict2domain patch to Majordomo, version 1.94.5, the=
se line where added to majordomo.pl:

    if ($file =3D~ /\@/) {		# Is the resticted string an email?
	$subdomain =3D $subscriber;	# Is the resticted string a domain?
	$subdomain =3D~ s/^[^\@]+// if $file =3D~ /^\@/;
	if (&main'addr_match($subdomain, $file,
	    (&main'cf_ck_bool($clean_list,"mungedomain") ? 2 : undef))) {
	    $matches++;
	}
	return($matches);
    }
	These were the only lines that are different from the orgininal majordomo.=
pl.

	I am the owner of test-list and I sent email from my Exchange account acco=
unt on my PC to the Majordomo test-list on the UNIX mail server. I get this=
 message back from Majordomo:
MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend)!!

Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/@boeing.com: No such file =
or directory

My test-list.config file has the following entry:

restrict_post       =3D   @boeing.com

If I use a file instead and list all the emails that can post to this lists=
 it works fine.

	When I restrict_post to read:
restrict_post       =3D   eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com

And I got this message after I sent mail to test-list from my PC:

Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.c=
om: No such file or directory

	When I change it to read:
restrict_post       =3D   eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com:evd6134@p16.iasl.ca.=
boeing
	and test it again, I get two messages:
Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.c=
om: No such file or directory
------
Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/evd6134@p16.iasl.ca.boeing=
.com: No such file or directory

Thanks,

Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Deb [mailto:deb@tickleme.llnl.gov]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:01 PM
To: Majordomo Users
Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain


Use it all the time.  It would be helpful to see how you configured
restrict_post.  Can you copy/paste and send it to us?=20=20

What did you do to test it?=20=20

You can set restrict_post to eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com, then see if you =
can
post from a different address as well as your own.

If you still have the same problem, how you applied the patch may need to be
investigated.  Also, the fellow who wrote the patch is on the list, so perh=
aps
he has more helpful suggestions.

deb

Derivas, Eduardo V  had this to say,
> I applied this patch and did tried it, but it did not work for me. Majord=
omo was looking for a list called @companydomain.com. Has anyone had succes=
s with this patch?
>=20
> Ed
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:14 PM
> To: R Deepak
> Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
>=20
>=20
> The patch will allow you to use syntax such as;
>=20
> restrict_post =3D @lantana.tenet.res.in
>=20
> Anyone that attempts to write to your list from
> any other domain will cause a bounce to the list
> owner or moderator.
>=20
> I do not believe it allows for the same syntax
> within a file defined on the restrict_post line.
>=20
> Dan Liston
>=20
> R Deepak wrote:
> > - Check out this patch ...
> > -
> > - ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/restrict2domain.1
> > -
> >=20
> > Doesn't seem to.
> >=20
> > After applying the patch, I set restrict_post to
> >=20
> > --
> > restrict_post       =3D all.restrict
> > --
> >=20
> > all.restrict is a file in the lists directory.
> >=20
> > Contents of all.restrict
> >=20
> > ---
> > @lantana.tenet.res.in
> > ---
> >=20
> > It still bounces the message. I put in a \@lantana.tenet.res.in
> > and checked too!
> >=20
> > Deepak
>=20
>=20

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- The patch will allow you to use syntax such as;
-
- restrict_post = @lantana.tenet.res.in
-

Even this doesn't seem to work.

But, it does work if I specify my entire email address..

restrict_post = rdeepak@lantana.tenet.res.in

Am I doing something else wrong?

Thanks
Deepak


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w/o looking at the code, I'm going to take a stab at this.  

Be sure that you have mungedomain = yes.  

deb

R Deepak  had this to say,
> 
> - The patch will allow you to use syntax such as;
> -
> - restrict_post = @lantana.tenet.res.in
> -
> 
> Even this doesn't seem to work.
> 
> But, it does work if I specify my entire email address..
> 
> restrict_post = rdeepak@lantana.tenet.res.in
> 
> Am I doing something else wrong?
> 
> Thanks
> Deepak

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:28:33 -0700
From: Deb 
To: "Derivas, Eduardo V" 
Cc: Majordomo Users 
Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
Message-ID: <20030614022833.GB28884@tickleme.llnl.gov>
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Eduardo,

Did you also apply the other part of the patch to config_parse.pl?

Also, remember to set mungedomain = yes in that lists.config as well.

deb


Derivas, Eduardo V  had this to say,

> 	When I applied the restrict2domain patch to Majordomo, version 1.94.5, these line where added to majordomo.pl:
> 
>     if ($file =~ /\@/) {		# Is the resticted string an email?
> 	$subdomain = $subscriber;	# Is the resticted string a domain?
> 	$subdomain =~ s/^[^\@]+// if $file =~ /^\@/;
> 	if (&main'addr_match($subdomain, $file,
> 	    (&main'cf_ck_bool($clean_list,"mungedomain") ? 2 : undef))) {
> 	    $matches++;
> 	}
> 	return($matches);
>     }
> 	These were the only lines that are different from the orgininal majordomo.pl.
> 
> 	I am the owner of test-list and I sent email from my Exchange account account on my PC to the Majordomo test-list on the UNIX mail server. I get this message back from Majordomo:
> MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend)!!
> 
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/@boeing.com: No such file or directory
> 
> My test-list.config file has the following entry:
> 
> restrict_post       =   @boeing.com
> 
> If I use a file instead and list all the emails that can post to this lists it works fine.
> 
> 	When I restrict_post to read:
> restrict_post       =   eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com
> 
> And I got this message after I sent mail to test-list from my PC:
> 
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com: No such file or directory
> 
> 	When I change it to read:
> restrict_post       =   eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com:evd6134@p16.iasl.ca.boeing
> 	and test it again, I get two messages:
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com: No such file or directory
> ------
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/evd6134@p16.iasl.ca.boeing.com: No such file or directory
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ed
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb [mailto:deb@tickleme.llnl.gov]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:01 PM
> To: Majordomo Users
> Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
> 
> 
> Use it all the time.  It would be helpful to see how you configured
> restrict_post.  Can you copy/paste and send it to us?  
> 
> What did you do to test it?  
> 
> You can set restrict_post to eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com, then see if you can
> post from a different address as well as your own.
> 
> If you still have the same problem, how you applied the patch may need to be
> investigated.  Also, the fellow who wrote the patch is on the list, so perhaps
> he has more helpful suggestions.
> 
> deb
> 
> Derivas, Eduardo V  had this to say,
> > I applied this patch and did tried it, but it did not work for me. Majordomo was looking for a list called @companydomain.com. Has anyone had success with this patch?
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:14 PM
> > To: R Deepak
> > Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> > Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
> > 
> > 
> > The patch will allow you to use syntax such as;
> > 
> > restrict_post = @lantana.tenet.res.in
> > 
> > Anyone that attempts to write to your list from
> > any other domain will cause a bounce to the list
> > owner or moderator.
> > 
> > I do not believe it allows for the same syntax
> > within a file defined on the restrict_post line.
> > 
> > Dan Liston
> > 
> > R Deepak wrote:
> > > - Check out this patch ...
> > > -
> > > - ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/restrict2domain.1
> > > -
> > > 
> > > Doesn't seem to.
> > > 
> > > After applying the patch, I set restrict_post to
> > > 
> > > --
> > > restrict_post       = all.restrict
> > > --
> > > 
> > > all.restrict is a file in the lists directory.
> > > 
> > > Contents of all.restrict
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > @lantana.tenet.res.in
> > > ---
> > > 
> > > It still bounces the message. I put in a \@lantana.tenet.res.in
> > > and checked too!
> > > 
> > > Deepak
> > 
> > 
> 
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> 
> 
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- w/o looking at the code, I'm going to take a stab at this.
-
- Be sure that you have mungedomain = yes.

Cool! This works. :)

Thanks!

Deepak

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R Deepak  had this to say,
> - w/o looking at the code, I'm going to take a stab at this.
> -
> - Be sure that you have mungedomain = yes.
> 
> Cool! This works. :)

Outstanding!  :-)
 
> Thanks!

You're most welcome.  
 
> Deepak

deb


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Thanks very much, I'll play with it a bit.

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Daniel Liston wrote:

> 
> This is a fine idea, but how do you handle differences between top
> posters, bottom posters, and those that insert comments inline with
> the quoted message body?
> 
> You could modify 'resend' to do what you want with a regular
> expression to monitor the message body too.  Without regard to the
> warnings in my first paragraph, the code would look something like
> this;
> 
> while  {
>     if (( $_ =~ m/^>.*$/ ) && ( $. >= 6 )) {
>        next;
>     }
> }
> 
> To explain, the code above is checking the message body for lines
> beginning with "> anything to end of line" and skipping over them
> if the line number is greater than 5.
> 
> Dan Liston
> 
> Hennie Rautenbach wrote:
> > Nope ! I want everything stripped that has a ">" at the beginning of the 
> > line except for the top 5 lines beginning with ">" !
> > 
> > It is to remove the stuff that people don't trim from their messages 
> > when replying.
> > 
> > Daniel Liston wrote:
> > 
> >> You mean like the footer stamped onto your message? :)
> >>
> >> Procmail can manipulate a message just about any way you want it to.
> >> The problem is writing a regular expression that will strip out what
> >> you want stripped while NOT stripping lines you do not want stripped
> >> out.
> >>
> >> Dan Liston
> >>
> >> Hennie Rautenbach wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear folks,
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone point me to a filter that strips majordomo distributed 
> >>> messages of unnecessary quoted text ? Such as the most annoying 
> >>> disclaimers etc. that always end up in the replies (digests etc.)
> >>>
> >>> Is there such a beast ?
> >>>
> >>> Looking forward to your positive reply.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Hennie
> >>>
> >>>
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Are you sure the majordomo 1.94.5 that you patched with restrict2domain
is the same majordomo that sendmail is using via the aliases file?

Dan Liston

Derivas, Eduardo V wrote:
> 	When I applied the restrict2domain patch to Majordomo, version 1.94.5, these line where added to majordomo.pl:
> 
>     if ($file =~ /\@/) {		# Is the resticted string an email?
> 	$subdomain = $subscriber;	# Is the resticted string a domain?
> 	$subdomain =~ s/^[^\@]+// if $file =~ /^\@/;
> 	if (&main'addr_match($subdomain, $file,
> 	    (&main'cf_ck_bool($clean_list,"mungedomain") ? 2 : undef))) {
> 	    $matches++;
> 	}
> 	return($matches);
>     }
> 	These were the only lines that are different from the orgininal majordomo.pl.
> 
> 	I am the owner of test-list and I sent email from my Exchange account account on my PC to the Majordomo test-list on the UNIX mail server. I get this message back from Majordomo:
> MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend)!!
> 
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/@boeing.com: No such file or directory
> 
> My test-list.config file has the following entry:
> 
> restrict_post       =   @boeing.com
> 
> If I use a file instead and list all the emails that can post to this lists it works fine.
> 
> 	When I restrict_post to read:
> restrict_post       =   eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com
> 
> And I got this message after I sent mail to test-list from my PC:
> 
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com: No such file or directory
> 
> 	When I change it to read:
> restrict_post       =   eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com:evd6134@p16.iasl.ca.boeing
> 	and test it again, I get two messages:
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com: No such file or directory
> ------
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/evd6134@p16.iasl.ca.boeing.com: No such file or directory
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ed
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb [mailto:deb@tickleme.llnl.gov]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:01 PM
> To: Majordomo Users
> Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
> 
> 
> Use it all the time.  It would be helpful to see how you configured
> restrict_post.  Can you copy/paste and send it to us?  
> 
> What did you do to test it?  
> 
> You can set restrict_post to eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com, then see if you can
> post from a different address as well as your own.
> 
> If you still have the same problem, how you applied the patch may need to be
> investigated.  Also, the fellow who wrote the patch is on the list, so perhaps
> he has more helpful suggestions.
> 
> deb
> 
> Derivas, Eduardo V  had this to say,
>> I applied this patch and did tried it, but it did not work for me. Majordomo was looking for a list called @companydomain.com. Has anyone had success with this patch?
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:14 PM
>> To: R Deepak
>> Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
>> Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
>> 
>> 
>> The patch will allow you to use syntax such as;
>> 
>> restrict_post = @lantana.tenet.res.in
>> 
>> Anyone that attempts to write to your list from
>> any other domain will cause a bounce to the list
>> owner or moderator.
>> 
>> I do not believe it allows for the same syntax
>> within a file defined on the restrict_post line.
>> 
>> Dan Liston
>> 
>> R Deepak wrote:
>> > - Check out this patch ...
>> > -
>> > - ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/restrict2domain.1
>> > -
>> > 
>> > Doesn't seem to.
>> > 
>> > After applying the patch, I set restrict_post to
>> > 
>> > --
>> > restrict_post       = all.restrict
>> > --
>> > 
>> > all.restrict is a file in the lists directory.
>> > 
>> > Contents of all.restrict
>> > 
>> > ---
>> > @lantana.tenet.res.in
>> > ---
>> > 
>> > It still bounces the message. I put in a \@lantana.tenet.res.in
>> > and checked too!
>> > 
>> > Deepak
>> 
>> 
> 



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Hi,
since I upgraded my sendmail to 8.12.8 my majordomo lists don't work any 
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I can't get it to work. Is there a list of things one needs to change in 
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What exactly are the errors?

What was your previous version of sendmail?

At 06:10 PM Sunday, 6/15/2003, Christine Karman wrote -=>
>security settings and file settings, but I can't get it to work. Is there 
>a list of things one needs to change in majordomo and/or sendmail when 
>upgrading sendmail to 8.12.8 (p1).??


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What version did you upgrade "from"?  Sendmail 8.12 uses smmsp, which
must also be configured to trust majordomo.  What kind of messages are
showing up in your maillog file?

Dan Liston

Christine Karman wrote:
> Hi,
> since I upgraded my sendmail to 8.12.8 my majordomo lists don't work any 
> more.I know the problem is in the security settings and file settings, but 
> I can't get it to work. Is there a list of things one needs to change in 
> majordomo and/or sendmail when upgrading sendmail to 8.12.8 (p1).??
> Thanks.
> 
> dagdag
> Christine
> --
> signature? signature? what signature?
> 



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The majordomo aliases are kept separate from the regular system aliases 
and sendmail is configured to check *both* files for aliases, like so:

    in the sendmail.mc file:
        define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/aliases-majordomo')dnl

This will cause sendmail to search /etc/aliases first, followed by 
/etc/mail/aliases-majordomo.  On the *primary* MX server, this is the 
*real* aliases.

The *secondary* MX server will use a cron script to 'scp' or 'rsync' to 
copy the aliases-majordomo file from the primary server into a different 
location, then use 'sed' to create its alternate version of 
/etc/mail/aliases-majordomo.  ie:

    rsync -e ssh primary:/etc/mail/aliases-majordomo /tmp/
    sed -e "s/^\(.*\):.*/\1: \1@primary.domain/" \
        /tmp/aliases-majordomo >/etc/mail/aliases-majordomo
    newaliases

This really only needs to be run whenever a new list is added or a list 
is deleted, so you may want to simply run it manually.  However, I've 
always found that scheduling it for every 3 or 6 hours is more than 
sufficient (just so we don't forget to run it).

      - Burt Juda



Sujit Choudhury wrote:

>How do you do this?  Do you alter the config file in majordomo  or just change the aliases in the alias file in the backup machine so that the listname:   listname@primary-mx.dom is achieved.
> 
>- Sujit
>
>	-----Original Message----- 
>	From: Burt Juda [mailto:burt@juda.com] 
>
>	Then there is the possibility that a change could be made on each
>	server.  One would be lost during the rsync.  You can only do the 		rsync in one direction at a time.
>	
>	What I did in this situation is to run a script on the backup to 		rewrite the majordomo list aliases to specifically point to the 		primary machine.  ie:
>	
>	     majordomo:  majordomo@primary-mx.dom
>	     listname:   listname@primary-mx.dom
>	
>	This would queue up any mail for majordomo or lists 'til the primary
>	came back online, but there was NO possiblilty of anything getting 		out of sync.
>	
>	    - Burt
>	
>
>  
>


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To: "Majordomo lista" 
Subject: Re: copy of originator
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My OS is RH 7.3 and I use Postfix...


Klemen Humerca
=20
-----e-mail&web---------
 klemen@humerca.com
 www.humerca.com
 forum.humerca.com
------------------------

     .-.
     /v\    L   I   N   U   X
    // \\        >Rules<
   /(   )\
    ^^-^^

What is your OS and MTA?  If your MTA is sendmail, you could try
turning off the MeToo option.  Otherwise, tell us your restrict_post
setting.  Perhaps there is something that could be done using this.

Dan Liston

Klemen Humerca wrote:
> I was looking through archive, but I couldn't find an answer. Here is my=
=20
> question:
>=20
> How do I set it up so that the originator of a message doesn't get a copy=
 of=20
> his/her own message back?
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> Thank you!
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Klemen=20
Humerca
 
-----e-mail&web---------
 klemen@humerca.com
 www.humerca.com
 forum.humerca.=
com
------------------------


 


    =20
.-.
     /v\    L  =20
I   N   U   X
    //=20
\\        >Rules<
  =
=20
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What is your OS and MTA?  If your MTA is sendmail, you could=20
try
turning off the MeToo option.  Otherwise, tell us your=20
restrict_post
setting.  Perhaps there is something that could be do=
ne=20
using this.

Dan Liston

Klemen Humerca wrote:
> I was lo=
oking=20
through archive, but I couldn't find an answer. Here is my 
>=20
question:
> 
> How do I set it up so that the originator of a=
=20
message doesn't get a copy of 
> his/her own message back?
>=20

> Thank you!
> 
> 


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From: Daniel Liston 
Subject: Re: copy of originator
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You still did not mention your restrict_post settings since
you are not running sendmail.  Is what you are trying to do
is allow someone that has multiple addresses to post from
any of those addresses, but only receive the message at the
primary address?  If so, you can set restrict_post to allow
posting from members of the list by specifying the name of
the list, if your list is digested, you will want to include
that filename too, plus you can create a file called something
like listname-post which will hold addresses of users that can
post but not receive.

Dan Liston

Klemen Humerca wrote:
> My OS is RH 7.3 and I use Postfix...
>  
>  
> Klemen Humerca
>  
> -----e-mail&web---------
>  klemen@humerca.com 
>  www.humerca.com 
>  forum.humerca.com
> ------------------------
>  
>      .-.
>      /v\    L   I   N   U   X
>     // \\        >Rules<
>    /(   )\
>     ^^-^^
>  
> What is your OS and MTA?  If your MTA is sendmail, you could try
> turning off the MeToo option.  Otherwise, tell us your restrict_post
> setting.  Perhaps there is something that could be done using this.
> 
> Dan Liston
> 
> Klemen Humerca wrote:
>  > I was looking through archive, but I couldn't find an answer. Here is my
>  > question:
>  >
>  > How do I set it up so that the originator of a message doesn't get a 
> copy of
>  > his/her own message back?
>  >
>  > Thank you!
>  >
>  >



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Dear Sir,

=20

I've installed majorcool and it is working fine, but some options are
not showing like "My Owned Lists" " Owner-less" options at browseable
screen of majorcool.

=20

Second problem is when i m going to click modify button on screen of
majorcool it not shows the approval queue options

=20

Kindly guide me that how i can display them on the majorcool's screen.

=20

Kindly tell also the thing how can i enhance the functionality of
majordomo as well as majorcool, like peruser basis access, owner full
rights to manage his list by his own.

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Help will be greatly appreciated

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This is my first posting so be gentle :-).  We have exhausted everything we
can think of and can't find an answer.  I'm hoping someone on this list will
recognise the problem.

Mail messages sent to my Majordomo 1.94.5 server work fine *unless* they
have more than one address.  If you send a message to the list and copy
yourself (for example), the moderator of the list gets a bounce similar to
the following:

-----Original Message-----
From: Moderator [mailto:moderator@cyhpr365.ugs.com]=20
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:31 AM
To: moderator@ugs.com
Subject: BOUNCE test@cyhpr365.ugs.com: Header line too long (>128)


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Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Harrison Spain

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Yes the patch to config_parse.pl has been applied also. I went ahead and ad=
ded mungedomain =3D yes to my list.config. I also found the home directory =
for majordomo. I made sure that the patch was applied to majordomo.pl and c=
onfig_parse.pl in the home directory. Test it ok. Thanks for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: Deb [mailto:deb@tickleme.llnl.gov]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:29 PM
To: Derivas, Eduardo V
Cc: Majordomo Users
Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain


Eduardo,

Did you also apply the other part of the patch to config_parse.pl?

Also, remember to set mungedomain =3D yes in that lists.config as well.

deb


Derivas, Eduardo V  had this to say,

> 	When I applied the restrict2domain patch to Majordomo, version 1.94.5, t=
hese line where added to majordomo.pl:
>=20
>     if ($file =3D~ /\@/) {		# Is the resticted string an email?
> 	$subdomain =3D $subscriber;	# Is the resticted string a domain?
> 	$subdomain =3D~ s/^[^\@]+// if $file =3D~ /^\@/;
> 	if (&main'addr_match($subdomain, $file,
> 	    (&main'cf_ck_bool($clean_list,"mungedomain") ? 2 : undef))) {
> 	    $matches++;
> 	}
> 	return($matches);
>     }
> 	These were the only lines that are different from the orgininal majordom=
o.pl.
>=20
> 	I am the owner of test-list and I sent email from my Exchange account ac=
count on my PC to the Majordomo test-list on the UNIX mail server. I get th=
is message back from Majordomo:
> MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend)!!
>=20
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/@boeing.com: No such fil=
e or directory
>=20
> My test-list.config file has the following entry:
>=20
> restrict_post       =3D   @boeing.com
>=20
> If I use a file instead and list all the emails that can post to this lis=
ts it works fine.
>=20
> 	When I restrict_post to read:
> restrict_post       =3D   eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com
>=20
> And I got this message after I sent mail to test-list from my PC:
>=20
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/eduardo.v.derivas@boeing=
.com: No such file or directory
>=20
> 	When I change it to read:
> restrict_post       =3D   eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com:evd6134@p16.iasl.c=
a.boeing
> 	and test it again, I get two messages:
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/eduardo.v.derivas@boeing=
.com: No such file or directory
> ------
> Can't read /acct/majordom/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/evd6134@p16.iasl.ca.boei=
ng.com: No such file or directory
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Ed
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb [mailto:deb@tickleme.llnl.gov]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:01 PM
> To: Majordomo Users
> Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
>=20
>=20
> Use it all the time.  It would be helpful to see how you configured
> restrict_post.  Can you copy/paste and send it to us?=20=20
>=20
> What did you do to test it?=20=20
>=20
> You can set restrict_post to eduardo.v.derivas@boeing.com, then see if yo=
u can
> post from a different address as well as your own.
>=20
> If you still have the same problem, how you applied the patch may need to=
 be
> investigated.  Also, the fellow who wrote the patch is on the list, so pe=
rhaps
> he has more helpful suggestions.
>=20
> deb
>=20
> Derivas, Eduardo V  had this to say,
> > I applied this patch and did tried it, but it did not work for me. Majo=
rdomo was looking for a list called @companydomain.com. Has anyone had succ=
ess with this patch?
> >=20
> > Ed
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:14 PM
> > To: R Deepak
> > Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> > Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
> >=20
> >=20
> > The patch will allow you to use syntax such as;
> >=20
> > restrict_post =3D @lantana.tenet.res.in
> >=20
> > Anyone that attempts to write to your list from
> > any other domain will cause a bounce to the list
> > owner or moderator.
> >=20
> > I do not believe it allows for the same syntax
> > within a file defined on the restrict_post line.
> >=20
> > Dan Liston
> >=20
> > R Deepak wrote:
> > > - Check out this patch ...
> > > -
> > > - ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/restrict2domain.1
> > > -
> > >=20
> > > Doesn't seem to.
> > >=20
> > > After applying the patch, I set restrict_post to
> > >=20
> > > --
> > > restrict_post       =3D all.restrict
> > > --
> > >=20
> > > all.restrict is a file in the lists directory.
> > >=20
> > > Contents of all.restrict
> > >=20
> > > ---
> > > @lantana.tenet.res.in
> > > ---
> > >=20
> > > It still bounces the message. I put in a \@lantana.tenet.res.in
> > > and checked too!
> > >=20
> > > Deepak
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
> --=20
>                   o      _     _         _
>           _o     /\_   _ \\o  (_)\__/o  (_)
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Look in your majordomo.cf file.

There is a setting:

$MAX_HEADER_LINE_LENGTH

which by default is set to 128 bytes. Most email clients wrap their 
'To:' lines in the header to less than this, but it looks like yours 
doesn't. Having multiple addresses obviously exceeds this length. You 
could increase this value to solve the problem, but I'm not sure if 
that's the best way to do it. Maybe you should check the settings on 
your email client, as I'm not aware of any clients that do not wrap the 
header lines to below this length.

Andy Beverley


Spain, Harrison wrote:

> This is my first posting so be gentle :-).  We have exhausted everything we
> can think of and can't find an answer.  I'm hoping someone on this list will
> recognise the problem.
> 
> Mail messages sent to my Majordomo 1.94.5 server work fine *unless* they
> have more than one address.  If you send a message to the list and copy
> yourself (for example), the moderator of the list gets a bounce similar to
> the following:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Moderator [mailto:moderator@cyhpr365.ugs.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:31 AM
> To: moderator@ugs.com
> Subject: BOUNCE test@cyhpr365.ugs.com: Header line too long (>128)
> 
> 
>>From moderator@ugs.com  Mon Jun 16 09:31:21 2003
> Received: from cypntx.ugsolutions.com (cypntx.net.plm.eds.com
> [134.244.77.102])
> 	by cyhpr365.ugs.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305+JAGae58098)/8.8.6) with ESMTP
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> 	id ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:31:43 -0700
> Message-ID: 
> From: "Spain, Harrison" 
> To: "'test@cyhpr365.ugs.com'" 
> Cc: "'hmspain@yahoo.com'" ,
>         "DeMaeyer, William"
> 	 est365.ugs.comkKk_@,ø@*È
> ˆ@•@,ø@,ø@,ø@`p@f$@F ŸKÀ@,øyñpzLÀ@. kw¼Ô@f49:31:21
> 20032ø@3@3@­˜Mon Jun yñ×d9:31CÀí÷
> Subject: RE: Test 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:35:34 -0700
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59)
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Harrison Spain
> 
> 


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I uppped the setting to 2048 and it works but the header still gets
corrupted (see below).  Hmmm....  Any other suggestions? :-)

Harrison

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From: "Spain, Harrison" 
To: "'test@cyhpr365.ugs.com'" 
Cc: "'hmspain@yahoo.com'" ,
        "DeMaeyer, William"
	 est365.ugs.com=02kK=02k_@=08,
        =C3=B8@=02*=C3=88@=01=08=01@=08, =C3=B8@=08, =C3=B8=02@=08, =C3=B8=
=02@=08`p@=08f$@F.=05K=C3=80=1F=03=1B@=08,
        "=C3=B8=04y=C3=B1pzL=C3=80@=01=08.=01
kw=C2=BC=C3=94@=08f44":31:34.2003=082=C3=B8@=083=08@=083=18@=02=C2=ADMon.Ju=
n.y=C3=B1=C3=97d4:31=04=05C=C3=80=1E=C3=AD=C3=B7
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:35:47 -0700
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Beverley [mailto:andy@andybev.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:25 PM
> To: Spain, Harrison
> Cc: 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'
> Subject: Re: BOUNCE test@cyhpr365.ugs.com: Header line too long (>128)
>=20
>=20
> Look in your majordomo.cf file.
>=20
> There is a setting:
>=20
> $MAX_HEADER_LINE_LENGTH
>=20
> which by default is set to 128 bytes. Most email clients wrap their=20
> 'To:' lines in the header to less than this, but it looks like yours=20
> doesn't. Having multiple addresses obviously exceeds this length. You=20
> could increase this value to solve the problem, but I'm not sure if=20
> that's the best way to do it. Maybe you should check the settings on=20
> your email client, as I'm not aware of any clients that do=20
> not wrap the=20
> header lines to below this length.
>=20
> Andy Beverley
>=20
>=20
> Spain, Harrison wrote:
>=20
> > This is my first posting so be gentle :-).  We have=20
> exhausted everything we
> > can think of and can't find an answer.  I'm hoping someone=20
> on this list will
> > recognise the problem.
> >=20
> > Mail messages sent to my Majordomo 1.94.5 server work fine=20
> *unless* they
> > have more than one address.  If you send a message to the=20
> list and copy
> > yourself (for example), the moderator of the list gets a=20
> bounce similar to
> > the following:
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Moderator [mailto:moderator@cyhpr365.ugs.com]=20
> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:31 AM
> > To: moderator@ugs.com
> > Subject: BOUNCE test@cyhpr365.ugs.com: Header line too long (>128)
> >=20
> >=20
> >>From moderator@ugs.com  Mon Jun 16 09:31:21 2003
> > Received: from cypntx.ugsolutions.com (cypntx.net.plm.eds.com
> > [134.244.77.102])
> > 	by cyhpr365.ugs.com (8.9.3=20
> (PHNE_26305+JAGae58098)/8.8.6) with ESMTP
> > id JAA06035
> > 	for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:31:21=20
> -0700 (PDT)
> > Received: by cypntx.net.plm.eds.com with Internet Mail=20
> Service (5.5.2656.59)
> > 	id ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:31:43 -0700
> > Message-ID: 
> > From: "Spain, Harrison" 
> > To: "'test@cyhpr365.ugs.com'" 
> > Cc: "'hmspain@yahoo.com'" ,
> >         "DeMaeyer, William"
> > 	 est365.ugs.com=02kK=02k_@=08,=C3=B8@=02*=C3=
=88
> > =CB=86@=01=E2=80=A2=08=01@=08,=C3=B8@=08,=C3=B8=02@=08,=C3=B8=02@=08`p@=
=08f$@F =05=C5=B8K=C3=80=1F=03=1B@=08,=C3=B8=04y=C3=B1pzL=C3=80@=01=C2=8D=
=08.=01=20
> kw=C2=BC=C3=94@=08f49:31:21
> > 2003=082=C3=B8@=083=08@=083=18@=02=C2=AD=CB=9CMon Jun y=C3=B1=C3=97d9:3=
1=04=05C=C3=80=1E=C3=AD=C3=B7
> > Subject: RE: Test 2
> > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:35:34 -0700
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59)
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >=20
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
> >=20
> > Harrison Spain
> >=20
> >=20
>=20

From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Mon Jun 16 15:03:11 2003
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To: Andrew Beverley 
From: Bill Houle 
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No, I'm not convinced. Rather, I think this will bypass the problem=20
rather than solving it. More specifically, it will probably create=20
other trouble.

Look at the BOUNCE more closely. The TO line is fine.  However, the CC=20
line has lots of garbage characters after the DeMaeyer address.=20
Increasing the max length will allow the offending header to pass=20
Majordomo, but the garbage will then have to be interpreted by the MTA.

To solve the real problem, you must find out what -- somewhere between=20
your Exchange Internet Mail Service and the Majordomo server -- is=20
corrupting the headers. I'd start looking first at the host CYPNTX3.

--bill




On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 01:24 PM, Andrew Beverley wrote:

> Look in your majordomo.cf file.
>
> There is a setting:
>
> $MAX_HEADER_LINE_LENGTH
>
> which by default is set to 128 bytes. Most email clients wrap their=20
> 'To:' lines in the header to less than this, but it looks like yours=20
> doesn't. Having multiple addresses obviously exceeds this length. You=20
> could increase this value to solve the problem, but I'm not sure if=20
> that's the best way to do it. Maybe you should check the settings on=20
> your email client, as I'm not aware of any clients that do not wrap=20
> the header lines to below this length.
>
> Andy Beverley
>
>
> Spain, Harrison wrote:
>
>> This is my first posting so be gentle :-).  We have exhausted=20
>> everything we
>> can think of and can't find an answer.  I'm hoping someone on this=20
>> list will
>> recognise the problem.
>> Mail messages sent to my Majordomo 1.94.5 server work fine *unless*=20
>> they
>> have more than one address.  If you send a message to the list and=20
>> copy
>> yourself (for example), the moderator of the list gets a bounce=20
>> similar to
>> the following:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Moderator [mailto:moderator@cyhpr365.ugs.com] Sent: Monday,=20
>> June 16, 2003 9:31 AM
>> To: moderator@ugs.com
>> Subject: BOUNCE test@cyhpr365.ugs.com: Header line too long (>128)
>>> From moderator@ugs.com  Mon Jun 16 09:31:21 2003
>> Received: from cypntx.ugsolutions.com (cypntx.net.plm.eds.com
>> [134.244.77.102])
>> 	by cyhpr365.ugs.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305+JAGae58098)/8.8.6) with ESMTP
>> id JAA06035
>> 	for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:31:21 -0700 (PDT)
>> Received: by cypntx.net.plm.eds.com with Internet Mail Service=20
>> (5.5.2656.59)
>> 	id ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:31:43 -0700
>> Message-ID: 
>> From: "Spain, Harrison" 
>> To: "'test@cyhpr365.ugs.com'" 
>> Cc: "'hmspain@yahoo.com'" ,
>>         "DeMaeyer, William"
>> 	 est365.ugs.com=02kK=02k_@=08,=C3=B8@=02*=C3=
=88
>> =CB=86@=01=E2=80=A2=08=01@=08,=C3=B8@=08,=C3=B8=02@=08,=C3=B8=02@=08`p@=
=08f$@F =05=C5=B8K=C3=80=1F=03=1B@=08,=C3=B8=04y=C3=B1pzL=C3=80@=01=C2=8D=
=08.=01=20
>> kw=C2=BC=C3=94@=08f49:31:21
>> 2003=082=C3=B8@=083=08@=083=18@=02=C2=AD=CB=9CMon Jun y=C3=B1=C3=97d9:31=
=04=05C=C3=80=1E=C3=AD=C3=B7
>> Subject: RE: Test 2
>> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:35:34 -0700
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59)
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
>> Harrison Spain
>
=20=20
--Apple-Mail-2-184365054
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=UTF-8

No, I'm not convinced. Rather, I think this will bypass the problem
rather than solving it. More specifically, it will probably create
other trouble.


Look at the BOUNCE more closely. The TO line is fine.  However, the CC
line has lots of garbage characters after the DeMaeyer address.
Increasing the max length will allow the offending header to pass
Majordomo, but the garbage will then have to be interpreted by the MTA.


To solve the real problem, you must find out what -- somewhere between
your Exchange Internet Mail Service and the Majordomo server -- is
corrupting the headers. I'd start looking first at the host CYPNTX3.


--bill





On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 01:24 PM, Andrew Beverley wrote:


Look in your majordomo.cf file.


There is a setting:


$MAX_HEADER_LINE_LENGTH


which by default is set to 128 bytes. Most email clients wrap their
'To:' lines in the header to less than this, but it looks like yours
doesn't. Having multiple addresses obviously exceeds this length. You
could increase this value to solve the problem, but I'm not sure if
that's the best way to do it. Maybe you should check the settings on
your email client, as I'm not aware of any clients that do not wrap
the header lines to below this length.


Andy Beverley



Spain, Harrison wrote:


This is my first posting so be gentle :-).  We have exhausted
everything we

can think of and can't find an answer.  I'm hoping someone on this
list will

recognise the problem.

Mail messages sent to my Majordomo 1.94.5 server work fine *unless*
they

have more than one address.  If you send a message to the list and copy

yourself (for example), the moderator of the list gets a bounce
similar to

the following:

-----Original Message-----

From: Moderator [mailto:moderator@cyhpr365.ugs.com] Sent: Monday, June
16, 2003 9:31 AM

To: moderator@ugs.com

Subject: BOUNCE test@cyhpr365.ugs.com: Header line too long (>128)

From moderator@ugs.com  Mon Jun 16 09:31:21 2003

Received: from cypntx.ugsolutions.com (cypntx.net.plm.eds.com

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	by cyhpr365.ugs.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305+JAGae58098)/8.8.6) with ESMTP

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Message-ID: <

From: "Spain, Harrison" <

To: "'test@cyhpr365.ugs.com'" <

Cc: "'hmspain@yahoo.com'" <,

        "DeMaeyer, William"

	 <est365.ugs.com=02kK=02k_@=08,=C3=B8@=02*=C3=88

=CB=86@=01=E2=80=A2=08=01@=08,=C3=B8@=08,=C3=B8=02@=08,=C3=B8=02@=08`p@=08f=
$@F =05=C5=B8K=C3=80=1F=03=1B@=08,=C3=B8=04y=C3=B1pzL=C3=80@=01=C2=8D=08.=
=01 kw=C2=BC=C3=94@=08f49:31:21

2003=082=C3=B8@=083=08@=083=18@=02Lucida Grande=
=C2=AD=CB=9CMon Jun
y=C3=B1=C3=97d9:31=04=05C=C3=80=1E=C3=AD=C3=B7

Subject: RE: Test 2

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:35:34 -0700

MIME-Version: 1.0

X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59)

Content-Type: text/plain

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Harrison Spain

Lucida Grande

=20
--Apple-Mail-2-184365054--


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Help!!!!!!!!!!

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I am using Majordomo version 1.94.5, Majorcool version 1.3.2 and perl
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=20

I've installed majorcool and it is working fine, but some options are
not showing like "My Owned Lists" " Owner-less" options at browseable
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=20

Second problem is when i m going to click modify button on screen of
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=20

Kindly guide me that how i can display them on the majorcool's screen.

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Kindly tell also the thing how can i enhance the functionality of
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From: "Georg Zumstrull" 
To: "'Jawed Iqbal'" ,
	
Subject: Re: Queries about majorcool
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:43:10 +0200
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> Second problem is when i m going to click modify button on screen of
majorcool it not shows the approval queue options
 
 
You have to install the aproval.shar from the contrib directory to make this
feature work.
 
Georg

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From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com
[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Jawed Iqbal
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:23 AM
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Queries about majorcool



Dear Sir,

majordomo-users@greatcircle.com

 

Help!!!!!!!!!!

 

I am using Majordomo version 1.94.5, Majorcool version 1.3.2 and perl
version 5.8.0-55

 

I've installed majorcool and it is working fine, but some options are not
showing like "My Owned Lists" " Owner-less" options at browseable screen of
majorcool.

 

Second problem is when i m going to click modify button on screen of
majorcool it not shows the approval queue options

 

Kindly guide me that how i can display them on the majorcool's screen.

 

Kindly tell also the thing how can i enhance the functionality of majordomo
as well as majorcool, like peruser basis access, owner full rights to manage
his list by his own.

 

Help will be greatly appreciated

 

Jawed Iqbal

 

SSUET


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On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 11:53 PM, Jawed Iqbal wrote:

> I've installed majorcool and it is working fine, but some options are 
> not showing like "My Owned Lists" " Owner-less" options at browseable 
> screen of majorcool.

The concept of "ownership" is not native to a default Majordomo. You 
must add the "owner" keyword as described in STEP 3 of the MajorCool 
installation instructions.

> Second problem is when i m going to click modify button on screen of 
> majorcool it not shows the approval queue options

Likewise, the approval queue is not a stock Majordomo feature. See STEP 
5 of the MajorCool instructions.

> Kindly tell also the thing how can i enhance the functionality of 
> majordomo as well as majorcool, like peruser basis access, owner full 
> rights to manage his list by his own.

You'll have to be a little more specific. The list owner, with the 
appropriate password, already has full rights to manage the list on 
their own.

--bill

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On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 11:53 PM, Jawed Iqbal wrote:


ArialI've installed
majorcool and it is working fine, but some options are not showing
like "My Owned Lists" " Owner-less" options at browseable screen of
majorcool.



The concept of "ownership" is not native to a default Majordomo. You
must add the "owner" keyword as described in STEP 3 of the MajorCool
installation instructions.


ArialSecond problem is
when i m going to click modify button on screen of majorcool it not
shows the approval queue options



Likewise, the approval queue is not a stock Majordomo feature. See
STEP 5 of the MajorCool instructions.


ArialKindly tell also the
thing how can i enhance the functionality of majordomo as well as
majorcool, like peruser basis access, owner full rights to manage his
list by his own.



You'll have to be a little more specific. The list owner, with the
appropriate password, already has full rights to manage the list on
their own.


--bill


--Apple-Mail-2-256270244--


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Subject: one more digest question
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I have one more question about digests.  Below is my aliases file for 
one of my lists.  You'll notice that I've commented out one of the 
digestify lines.  Using the line that is uncommented, this never sends 
out a digest, but I can put a command in the cron to force one every 
night and it works.  If I put the other line back in (the one currently 
commented out), it sends out a digest every time someone posts to the 
list.  I've also posted a portion of my rmgroup-digest.config file 
below.  No matter what I do, I can't seem to change that behavior.  The 
way I have it currently set up (forcing a digest every night) is 
bearable, but I wish it would work the other way.

owner-rmgroup: rmgroup-owner

rmgroup:   "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -C 
/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf -l rmgroup -h 
dana-holland.com -s rmgroup-outgoing,nobody"

rmgroup-owner: dana@dana-holland.com

rmgroup-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l 
rmgroup -C /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf"

rmgroup-approval: owner-rmgroup

rmgroup-outgoing: 
:include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/dana-holland.com/rmgroup, 
rmgroup-archiver, rmgroup-digestify

owner-rmgroup-outgoing: owner-rmgroup

rmgroup-archiver: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper archive2.pl -f 
/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/archive/rmgroup -a -M"

#rmgroup-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C 
-c /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf -l rmgroup-digest 
rmgroup-digest-outgoingnobody"

rmgroup-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C -l 
rmgroup-digest rmgroup-digest-outgoing,nobody"

owner-rmgroup-digest: owner-rmgroup

rmgroup-digest: rmgroup

rmgroup-digest-owner: rmgroup-owner

rmgroup-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo 
-C /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf -l rmgroup-digest"

rmgroup-digest-approval: rmgroup-approval

rmgroup-digest-outgoing: 
:include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/dana-holland.com/rmgroup-digest,nobody


         # digest_issue         [integer] (1) 
         # The issue number of the next issue
digest_issue        =   203

         # digest_maxdays       [integer] (undef) 
         # automatically generate a new digest when the age of the oldest
         # article in the queue exceeds this number of days.
digest_maxdays      =   1

         # digest_maxlines      [integer] (undef) 
         # automatically generate a new digest when the size of the digest
         # exceeds this number of lines.
digest_maxlines     =   999999

         # digest_name          [string] (rmgroup-digest) 
         # The subject line for the digest. This string has the volume  and
         # issue appended to it.
digest_name         =   rmgroup-digest

-- 
************************************************************
Dana Holland    dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu 903-875-7355
Navarro College    Corsicana, TX
http://www.navarrocollege.edu/staff_pages/dana/dana.html
************************************************************
All opinions stated are my own, and probably don't even
vaguely resemble those of Navarro College.  :)



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From: Daniel Liston 
Subject: Re: one more digest question
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Is the config snippet from your rmgroup.config or rmgroup-digest.config?

The second digestify alias is the correct one, as long as your mailing
list is not hosted in a domain the does not match the default in your
current majordomo.cf file.  The commented first digestify alias is the
correct one (provided you fix the missing comma typo) when your list or
your majordomo is hosted.

Lastly, what is the "maxlength" setting in the rmgroup-digest.config?

Any time your digest_work_dir files get larger than maxlines or maxlength,
or older than maxdays, a digest is created and sent. Only when a message is
received that when added to the rest of the spool EXCEEDS one of the values
is the digest created.

Hope this helps,
Dan Liston

Dana Holland wrote:
> I have one more question about digests.  Below is my aliases file for 
> one of my lists.  You'll notice that I've commented out one of the 
> digestify lines.  Using the line that is uncommented, this never sends 
> out a digest, but I can put a command in the cron to force one every 
> night and it works.  If I put the other line back in (the one currently 
> commented out), it sends out a digest every time someone posts to the 
> list.  I've also posted a portion of my rmgroup-digest.config file 
> below.  No matter what I do, I can't seem to change that behavior.  The 
> way I have it currently set up (forcing a digest every night) is 
> bearable, but I wish it would work the other way.
> 
> owner-rmgroup: rmgroup-owner
> 
> rmgroup:   "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper resend -C 
> /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf -l rmgroup -h 
> dana-holland.com -s rmgroup-outgoing,nobody"
> 
> rmgroup-owner: dana@dana-holland.com
> 
> rmgroup-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo -l 
> rmgroup -C /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf"
> 
> rmgroup-approval: owner-rmgroup
> 
> rmgroup-outgoing: 
> :include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/dana-holland.com/rmgroup, 
> rmgroup-archiver, rmgroup-digestify
> 
> owner-rmgroup-outgoing: owner-rmgroup
> 
> rmgroup-archiver: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper archive2.pl -f 
> /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/archive/rmgroup -a -M"
> 
> #rmgroup-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C 
> -c /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf -l rmgroup-digest 
> rmgroup-digest-outgoingnobody"
> 
> rmgroup-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper digest -r -C -l 
> rmgroup-digest rmgroup-digest-outgoing,nobody"
> 
> owner-rmgroup-digest: owner-rmgroup
> 
> rmgroup-digest: rmgroup
> 
> rmgroup-digest-owner: rmgroup-owner
> 
> rmgroup-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/wrapper majordomo 
> -C /usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo-1.cf -l rmgroup-digest"
> 
> rmgroup-digest-approval: rmgroup-approval
> 
> rmgroup-digest-outgoing: 
> :include:/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.5/lists/dana-holland.com/rmgroup-digest,nobody 
> 
> 
> 
>         # digest_issue         [integer] (1) 
>         # The issue number of the next issue
> digest_issue        =   203
> 
>         # digest_maxdays       [integer] (undef) 
>         # automatically generate a new digest when the age of the oldest
>         # article in the queue exceeds this number of days.
> digest_maxdays      =   1
> 
>         # digest_maxlines      [integer] (undef) 
>         # automatically generate a new digest when the size of the digest
>         # exceeds this number of lines.
> digest_maxlines     =   999999
> 
>         # digest_name          [string] (rmgroup-digest) 
>         # The subject line for the digest. This string has the volume  and
>         # issue appended to it.
> digest_name         =   rmgroup-digest
> 


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I am in the process of establishing my first mailing list and I would like to 
be able to strip any attachments from incoming mail before resending to the 
list. I don't seem to find a direct way to do this Can anyone help me out?
TIA,
Gary

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greetz  guys,

is there anybody in the whole world, that can swaer majordomo accept more t=
han one list-name in the restrict-post field ?
i.e.:

restrict-post	=3D	listname1, listname2=20

or so. i won=B4t to expirience on my server. majordomo works smoothly :-)

Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen / Best regards

Oliver Mattis
Systemadministration

"If IBM made toasters ...
They would want one BIG toaster where people bring bread to be submitted fo=
r overnight toasting of an IBM commended bread."=20

Siemens Business Services GmbH & Co OHG
D ORS CWS BOS 15=20
fon +49 89 722-38052
fax +49 89 722-130-38052
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You need to seperate your list names with colons or spaces. If this 
still doesn't work maybe for some reason majordomo is not finding your 
list files. Seperating with spaces works fine for me :)

Andy Beverley

Mattis Oliver wrote:

> greetz  guys,
> 
> is there anybody in the whole world, that can swaer majordomo accept more than one list-name in the restrict-post field ?
> i.e.:
> 
> restrict-post	=	listname1, listname2 
> 
> or so. i wont to expirience on my server. majordomo works smoothly :-)
> 
> Mit freundlichen Gren / Best regards
> 
> Oliver Mattis
> Systemadministration
> 
> "If IBM made toasters ...
> They would want one BIG toaster where people bring bread to be submitted for overnight toasting of an IBM commended bread." 
> 
> Siemens Business Services GmbH & Co OHG
> D ORS CWS BOS 15 
> fon +49 89 722-38052
> fax +49 89 722-130-38052
> Hofmannstrae 51
> 81359 Mnchen - Germany
> mailto:oliver.mattis@siemens.com
> 
> 
> 


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Take the comma (,) out of your setting and it should
work fine.

Dan Lisaton

Mattis Oliver wrote:
> greetz  guys,
> 
> is there anybody in the whole world, that can swaer majordomo accept more than one list-name in the restrict-post field ?
> i.e.:
> 
> restrict-post	=	listname1, listname2 
> 
> or so. i wont to expirience on my server. majordomo works smoothly :-)
> 
> Mit freundlichen Gren / Best regards
> 
> Oliver Mattis
> Systemadministration
> 
> "If IBM made toasters ...
> They would want one BIG toaster where people bring bread to be submitted for overnight toasting of an IBM commended bread." 
> 
> Siemens Business Services GmbH & Co OHG
> D ORS CWS BOS 15 
> fon +49 89 722-38052
> fax +49 89 722-130-38052
> Hofmannstrae 51
> 81359 Mnchen - Germany
> mailto:oliver.mattis@siemens.com
> 


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Check out the unsupport patches site for mime-stripper, or do a google
search on demime.  Both require some additional perl modules to be
installed, but it is well worth the effort.

Dan Liston

Gary Marklund wrote:
> I am in the process of establishing my first mailing list and I would like to 
> be able to strip any attachments from incoming mail before resending to the 
> list. I don't seem to find a direct way to do this Can anyone help me out?
> TIA,
> Gary
> 


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How can you change the default settings that are assigned when you creat 
a new list?   Is there a global config file that can be edited?

Thanks.

Oh...  MD 1.94.5  running on AIX5L


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I do it by editing config_parse.pl

The easiest way to find the values required to change is to search the 
file for something like '40000', which is the default message size limit.

Andy Beverley

Greg Dec wrote:

> 
> How can you change the default settings that are assigned when you creat 
> a new list?   Is there a global config file that can be edited?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Oh...  MD 1.94.5  running on AIX5L
> 
> 


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The possible values and defaults are in 'config_parse.pl'.  Possible 
values are listed first; the default value is usally last.

    - Burt


Greg Dec wrote:

>
> How can you change the default settings that are assigned when you 
> creat a new list?   Is there a global config file that can be edited?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Oh...  MD 1.94.5  running on AIX5L
>
>


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Try restrict_post =3D listname1:listname2

Ed

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From: "Srikant Rao" 
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Majordomo mailing list users subscribed with a hotmail address are not able
to receive
the messages posted to that list.I believe this has to do with the filtering
done by the
Hotmail ppl.Is there a way to work around this problem??.I did look at some
of the previous
postings,but I didnt see any possible fix/solution(if any??).If any one has
a solution
kindly let me know.Thanks.
Majordomo v1.94.5
Perl v5.8
Sun Solaris 2.5.1
Sendmail v8.12.9
== Kanth ==


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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:59:38 -0500
From: Daniel Liston 
Subject: Re: Majordomo and Hotmail Problem
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To: Srikant Rao 
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There are several reasons you messages may not be getting through.
How many recipients are in your message to hotmail?  What is your
 >Precedence: header set to?  Did your messages contain any header
or body parts that typically get flagged as spam, such as removal
instructions, footers, etc?

Dan Liston

Srikant Rao wrote:
> Majordomo mailing list users subscribed with a hotmail address are not able
> to receive
> the messages posted to that list.I believe this has to do with the filtering
> done by the
> Hotmail ppl.Is there a way to work around this problem??.I did look at some
> of the previous
> postings,but I didnt see any possible fix/solution(if any??).If any one has
> a solution
> kindly let me know.Thanks.
> Majordomo v1.94.5
> Perl v5.8
> Sun Solaris 2.5.1
> Sendmail v8.12.9
> == Kanth ==
> 


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I have the same problem at times with hotmail. What's a good "precedence"
rather than bulk? I use "announcement".... what about a "blank"?

At 02:59 PM 6.18.2003 -0500, Daniel Liston wrote:
>There are several reasons you messages may not be getting through.
>How many recipients are in your message to hotmail?  What is your
> >Precedence: header set to?  Did your messages contain any header
>or body parts that typically get flagged as spam, such as removal
>instructions, footers, etc?
>
>Dan Liston
>
>Srikant Rao wrote:
>> Majordomo mailing list users subscribed with a hotmail address are not able
>> to receive
>> the messages posted to that list.I believe this has to do with the
filtering
>> done by the
>> Hotmail ppl.Is there a way to work around this problem??.I did look at some
>> of the previous
>> postings,but I didnt see any possible fix/solution(if any??).If any one has
>> a solution
>> kindly let me know.Thanks.
>> Majordomo v1.94.5
>> Perl v5.8
>> Sun Solaris 2.5.1
>> Sendmail v8.12.9
>> == Kanth ==
>> 
>
>
>

Best regards,
Jack L. Stone,
Administrator

SageOne Net
http://www.sage-one.net
jackstone@sage-one.net

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I'm sure this question has already been posted and answered, but I cant find
a way to search the archives, and I couldn't find the answer by skimming.

How do I set up a list as announce only?

I sent the config command, and have a copy of my list config, but I was
expecting to see something like announce_only as one of the settings.

Thanks!


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Just create a file in the lists directory called something like
listname-post, with just the announcer's email address in it.
Then in your listname.config file, set
restrict_post = listname-post

That's all there is to it.

Dan Liston


Rusty Wilson wrote:
> I'm sure this question has already been posted and answered, but I cant find
> a way to search the archives, and I couldn't find the answer by skimming.
> 
> How do I set up a list as announce only?
> 
> I sent the config command, and have a copy of my list config, but I was
> expecting to see something like announce_only as one of the settings.
> 
> Thanks!
> 


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I have a list that currently only accepts posts from a small (text) list of=
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However, there seems to be nothing stopping some arbitrary person from mani=
pulating the mail header for the "From:" address and inserting an "accepted=
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w to modify the From: mail header from posting to any list.

Is there some other facility, shy of denying all inbound SMTP traffic, of g=
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Thanks for any replys.

For completeness, my realivant version information:

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Hi,

I have majordomo up and running. Now , I am trying to setup archiving. I 
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I get the aliases automatically added to the file but there is no entry 
for "listname-archive" alias. I tried to look into various parameters of 
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$filedir and $filedir_suffix and tried to manipulate them but it doesnot 
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Any clues will be appreciated.

Thanks
Jaysheel


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Hi,
The problem is:
I want the email address excel@ricado.digital.com
  to be changed to excel@digital.com
  before majordomo sends the email addresses to
the respective inboxes, so that, when 
 
A person getting the email, hit the reply to button the  To: field  for the
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From: Daniel Liston 
Subject: Re: Controlling the "From:" access control
In-reply-to: <8B225C6FF8AC874FBC988B8157D114CD074235@rv-bp-ixmx-01.cpex.com>
To: Mark Cartwright 
Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
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If your "small (text) list of folks" are not logged in local to the majordomo/sendmail
server, you will not be able to shut down incoming SMTP traffic.  With sendmail 8.12,
you can define an interface to listen on, which would allow you to disable incoming
SMTP traffic on the "public" interface.  This still does not prevent the problem IF
the problem is with users on your same network.  Prior to 8.12, you could shut down
specific addresses from being reached by anyone except localhost.  The submit program
seems to break this strategy.

Dan Liston


Mark Cartwright wrote:
> I have a list that currently only accepts posts from a small (text) list of folks; this part works well.
> 
> However, there seems to be nothing stopping some arbitrary person from manipulating the mail header for the "From:" address and inserting an "accepted" email, thereby allowing anyone with knowledge of a valid post user and how to modify the From: mail header from posting to any list.
> 
> Is there some other facility, shy of denying all inbound SMTP traffic, of gaining some higher level of control over who can actually send to the list?
> 
> Thanks for any replys.
> 
> For completeness, my realivant version information:
> 
> Majordomo v1.94.5
> Sendmail v8.11.7+Sun


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From: Daniel Liston 
Subject: Re: changing the from: email address field
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Have you considered something like this;

message_headers     <<  END
Reply-To: excel@digital.com
Errors-To: excel@digital.com
END

in your excel.config file?

Dan Liston

Sunita Rajagopal wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The problem is:
> 
> I want the email address excel@ricado.digital.com 
>  to be changed to excel@digital.com 
>  before majordomo sends the email addresses to 
> the respective inboxes, so that, when
> 
>  
> 
> A person getting the email, hit the reply to button the  To: field  for 
> the user composing the email is excel@digital.com 
>  instead of excel@ricado.digital.com 
> 
> 
> Please let me if  anyone has a solution.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sunita
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 


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I think , that may work. But what does the line
Errors-To: excel@digital.com
Do?
Sunita


-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 PM
To: Sunita Rajagopal
Cc: 'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'
Subject: Re: changing the from: email address field

Have you considered something like this;

message_headers     <<  END
Reply-To: excel@digital.com
Errors-To: excel@digital.com
END

in your excel.config file?

Dan Liston

Sunita Rajagopal wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The problem is:
>
> I want the email address excel@ricado.digital.com
>  to be changed to excel@digital.com
>  before majordomo sends the email addresses to
> the respective inboxes, so that, when
>
> 
>
> A person getting the email, hit the reply to button the  To: field  for
> the user composing the email is excel@digital.com
>  instead of excel@ricado.digital.com
> 
>
> Please let me if  anyone has a solution.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sunita
>
> 
>
> 
>

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RE: changing the from: email address field




I think , that may work. But what does the line

Errors-To: excel@digital.com

Do?

Sunita






-----Original Message-----

From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]

Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 PM

To: Sunita Rajagopal

Cc: 'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'

Subject: Re: changing the from: email address field




Have you considered something like this;




message_headers     <<  EN=
D

Reply-To: excel@digital.com

Errors-To: excel@digital.com

END




in your excel.config file?




Dan Liston




Sunita Rajagopal wrote:

> Hi,

>

> The problem is:

>

> I want the email address excel@ricado.digital.com

> <mai=
lto:excel@ricado.digital.com> to be changed to excel@digital.com

> <mailto:exc=
el@digital.com> before majordomo sends the email addresses to

> the respective inboxes, so that, when

>

> 

>

> A person getting the email, hit the reply to button=
 the  To: field  for

> the user composing the email is excel@digital.com

> <mailto:exc=
el@digital.com> instead of excel@ricado.digital.com

> <mai=
lto:excel@ricado.digital.com>

>

> Please let me if  anyone has a solution.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sunita

>

> 

>

> 

>





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Subject: Re: changing the from: email address field
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NDN and bounces go the the Errors-To: address.

Dan Liston

Sunita Rajagopal wrote:
> I think , that may work. But what does the line
> Errors-To: excel@digital.com
> Do?
> Sunita
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 PM
> To: Sunita Rajagopal
> Cc: 'Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM'
> Subject: Re: changing the from: email address field
> 
> Have you considered something like this;
> 
> message_headers     <<  END
> Reply-To: excel@digital.com
> Errors-To: excel@digital.com
> END
> 
> in your excel.config file?
> 
> Dan Liston
> 
> Sunita Rajagopal wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > The problem is:
>  >
>  > I want the email address excel@ricado.digital.com
>  >  to be changed to excel@digital.com
>  >  before majordomo sends the email addresses to
>  > the respective inboxes, so that, when
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > A person getting the email, hit the reply to button the  To: field  for
>  > the user composing the email is excel@digital.com
>  >  instead of excel@ricado.digital.com
>  > 
>  >
>  > Please let me if  anyone has a solution.
>  >
>  > Thanks
>  >
>  > Sunita
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
> 


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Subject: Archive/Digest HOW-TO (revision 2)
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Disclaimer:  I am not a professional writer or programmer.
Please report any/all discrepencies in this document to me
via the majordomo-users or majordomo-docs mailing lists at
greatcircle.com.

Majordomo list owners often have trouble setting up a digest
version of their list.  I am writing this in hopes of clearing
up some of this confusion.  Successfully archiving your lists
could be a side effect of implementing the knowledge gained
from the examples included.

Assumptions:
Majordomo version 1.94.5
Sendmail version 8.8 (or higher)
You have root permission on the server
	to create users,
	modify the aliases file, and
	rebuild the aliases database.
You have created a
	majordomo user and
	majordomo group.
The majordomo $HOME directory is
	/usr/local/majordomo and this is owned by
	user majordomo and
	group majordomo.
The smrsh directory (if used) is
	/etc/smrsh and holds a
	link owned by root to
	/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper.mytld
There are no group or world "writable" directories in the path
	to /usr/local/majordomo, including / (root).
Sendmail "trusts" majordomo. You have a Tmajordomo line in
	sendmail.cf and submit.cf or these files use the
	/etc/mail/trusted-users file.
Sendmail only recognizes one "/etc/aliases" file.
	Others are allowed but outside the scope of this note.
Sendmail uses the "always_add_domain" feature.
The majordomo config file is /etc/majordomo.cf
The majordomo.cf variables are defined statically. No
	$whereami = "`/bin/dnsdomainname`";
	it should be
	$whereami = "myhost.mydomain.tld";
You already have a working list that utilizes resend.
	eg. wrapper resend -l  -outgoing
Your aliases file contains
	nobody: /dev/null

Preface:
The directories above may be different, but in that case, you
will modify anything stated further to match your installation.
To set up a digest, you must also have a handle on archiving.
Digest has some dependencies, or I should say, makes some
assumptions.  One of these is that you have an archive directory
configured to hold the digestified message before delivery, and
another is that you will call your digest delivery address
	-digest-outgoing.

Your digest and archive directories are defined in the majordomo.cf
file as $digest_work_dir and $filedir.  $filedir_suffix is also used
for defining the location of your archives.  For the purpose of this
recipe, I will keep these in the same directory tree as my other
majordomo data files and directories.  The sample.cf gives an example
of /usr/local/mail/digest when lists are in /usr/local/lists and
archive files are in /usr/local/mail/files.
Here are my suggested settings based on the assumptions above;

$homedir = "/usr/local/majordomo";
$digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests";
$listdir = "$homedir/lists";
$filedir = "$homedir/archives";
$filedir_suffix = "";

What is not explained very well, is that you will need to create
these directories (if you haven't already) as the majordomo user,
or change ownership to the majordomo user if you created them as
root.
Make sure these directories are not group or world writable, to
prevent sendmail from complaining.
You will also have to reference these directories in your
	/etc/aliases
so mail is passed to these scripts that will be doing the actual
work.  In some (if not all) cases, there will also be
subdirectories involved that will need the same ownerships and
permissions as their parents.

A "test" mailing list that does archives AND digests will have
aliases that look like this;

owner-test: test-owner
test: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody"
test-owner: someone@your.domain,
test-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test"
test-approval: moderator@your.domain ### could also be pointed to test-owner
test-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify
test-archiver: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M"
test-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing"
owner-test-digest: test-owner
test-digest:	test,
test-digest-owner: test-owner
test-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test-digest"
test-digest-approval: test-approval
test-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test-digest,nobody"

The -approval addresses are not required, and will default
to owner-(-digest), and
the -request addresses could just be pointed to the
owner/moderator alias depending on your specific needs
or requirements.
Some of the "owner" aliases are redundant, but safe.

Let me also explain that you do not need to enable archiving
to use a digest version of your list, but you WILL need the
majordomo.cf and archives directory properly configured for
digestification to happen.  The digest script also "assumes"
your outgoing address for the digest is called
	-digest-outgoing.
In the case above, test-digest-outgoing.

To continue with our example, we now have a dependency on
subdirectories for archiver and the digestify.  We need to
create these before we run "newaliases" or "sendmail -bi".

mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test
mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test-digest
mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/digests/test-digest

The above need to be owner:group majordomo:majordomo and
chmod 755. Loose security could be tightened up, but that
is a different HOW-TO. :)

The test-archiver: alias will stamp the archive with a
4 digit year and 2 digit month.
If you notice your archive showing up as 1901xx instead of
2001xx, please apply the folllowing patch to archive2.pl

===========================================
--- archive2.pl.orig    2000/01/07 11:00:49
+++ archive2.pl.new     2000/05/15 00:55:00mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test

@@ -152,7 +152,11 @@
      local($junk, $addr, $dow, $moy, $dom, $time, $year, @rest);

      ($junk, $addr, $dow, $moy, $dom, $time, $year, @rest) = split(/\s+/,$from);
-    &open_archive($FH, $year % 100, $MoY{$moy}, $dom);
+    if ($year =~ /\d{4}/) {
+       &open_archive($FH, $year -1900, $MoY{$moy}, $dom);
+    } else {
+       &open_archive($FH, $year % 100, $MoY{$moy}, $dom);
+    }
  }

  sub open_archive {
===========================================

NOTE:  To do digesting without the standard archive, there
are two changes to the aliases.
test-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/test,test-digestify
and you do not "need" the test-archiver: alias.  If this is the
case, you also do not need to create the
	/usr/local/majordomo/archives/test
directory.  Leaving them in, even though they are never used, does
not really hurt either.  It is all a matter of calling or not
calling the test-archiver: alias via the test-outgoing: alias.

The final steps in making your digest happen daily/nightly, is to set
your test-digest.config file variables high enough that digestification
does not try to happen automatically, and to create a crontab entry that
will make majordomo execute the digest script.

In your test-digest.config file, depending on how busy you expect
your list to be, adjust these variables appropriately high.  I have
not tried it, but maybe they can all be left blank.

digest_maxdays      = 30
digest_maxlines     = 9999
maxlength           = 500000

The maxlength is in bytes, not Kbytes.  The other two are self
explanatory.  You only have to set one value, but you will have
to experiment to get it right.  A good starting point, might be
to set digest_maxdays to 7, and leave the other two blank.
Otherwise, you will probably have to tinker with the maxlength
in hundreds of thousands or millions of bytes.

As long as we are in the test-digest.config file, don't forget
about the other digest_* variables either.
digest_archive      =
digest_issue        =   1
digest_name         =   test-digest
digest_rm_footer    =   test
digest_rm_fronter   =   test
digest_volume       =   1
digest_work_dir     =

To keep your digests clean, it is also a good idea to use
purge_received      =   yes
on your regular list (test.config) as well as the digest.
However, this does make tracking problems more difficult.

Then you can get a little fancy and set your fronters and footers,
message_fronter     <<  END
-
Include in this issue:
_SUBJECTS_
END
message_footer      <<  END
unsubscribe instructions,
copyright message
etc.
END

If your security uses cron.allow or cron.deny, install the appropriate
setting for .  Your crontab entry should not be owned by root or
majordomo to avoid "Majordomo ABORT" messages.  I typically fill in
 with the uid of the list-owner.  Now to access the crontab...

crontab -u  -e

SHELL=/bin/sh
MAILTO=""
30  4  *  *  5  echo mkdigest test-digest  | mail majordomo
#|  |  |  |  | ^here to % or EOL is field 6 for commands
#|  |  |  |  +-- 3 letter day of week or 0-7 0=Sun
#|  |  |  +-- 3 letter month or 1-12
#|  |  +-- day 1-31
#|  +-- hours 0-23
#+-- minutes 0-59

The 5th line above sends majordomo an email forcing it to make a
digest and send it to the default test-digest-outgoing alias every
Friday at 4:30AM.  If your delivery address is not
test-digest-outgoing, that line can be changed to something like

30  4  *  *  5  echo mkdigest test-digest test-digest-whatever  | mail majordomo

If you want the list to go out daily, change the "5" above, to a "*".

Having a password stored in the crontab is probably not a good idea
either, but it does get the job done.

Dan Liston

PS.  Please feel free to add comments/criticisms about this document.
It is after all my first revision at explaining the steps necessary
to archive/digest a mailing list.  It is possible that I may have
still omitted something useful.


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though I studied all the stuff on the web)
II have a moderated list and I get the bounce message. The problem is that
the original message has ">" in front of the lines which I would like to get
rid of.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Also If someone wants to help me configuring the list (and install mhonarc)
I am willing to pay

regards,
Jeroen



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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:40:13 -0500
From: Daniel Liston 
Subject: Re: Handling bounced message
In-reply-to: 
To: Mathew Thomas 
Cc: "<" 
Message-id: <3EF300AD.5020907@sonny.org>
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I am away from my servers right now, but have you tried setting
this in the individual listname.config files?

message_headers << END
Errors-To: $SENDER
END

I this should do what you are looking for.  The only problem,
is that large lists that have not been cleaned up in awhile
could cause the sender to get dozens (hundreds) of bounces.
If the sender is not the "owner" of the list, these bounces
don't do anyone any good.  Only somebody with the approve
password for the list can administratively unsubscribe users
who's address is bouncing.

Dan Liston

Mathew Thomas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> We have got more than 8000 majordomo list on one server based on student's subject. List owner is same for all these list. Only academic staff are allowed to mail to the list. Currently all the bounced message goes to the list owner.
> 
> What I would like to change is that  the bounced massages go back to the sender instead of the list owner. How can I do it?
> 
> Thanks in advance for the help
> 
> Mathew
> RMIT University
> 


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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:57:04 -0500
From: Daniel Liston 
Subject: Re: some questions
In-reply-to: <00af01c33722$2518bda0$9600000a@webulous>
To: webulous 
Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com
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Those ">" symbols in front of lines beginning with "From " are what keeps
MTAs and MUAs from misinterpretting the line as the start of a new email.
You really don't want to open that can of worms.

As for willing to pay...  You might ask your question on majordomo-jobs.

Dan Liston

webulous wrote:
>    Hi,
> 
> I am just starting to get into majordomo but have some questions (even
> though I studied all the stuff on the web)
> II have a moderated list and I get the bounce message. The problem is that
> the original message has ">" in front of the lines which I would like to get
> rid of.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Also If someone wants to help me configuring the list (and install mhonarc)
> I am willing to pay
> 
> regards,
> Jeroen
> 
> 


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I could have sworn that there was a recent discussion of MAX_TOTAL_HEADER_LENGTH 
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I can't find it anywhere.  Anyway, what would be the ramifications of
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Hello, I've just installed majordomo on our system,
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Hello everyone!

Could someone help me configure the welcome message sent out by the majordomo.
I've created a file listname.intro. Now any newly subscribed user gets 
a 'welcome message' which consists of two parts, the first part is generated
automatically by majordomo and the second part, which is the content of 
listname.intro, is appended to it. 

However, I'd like only the listname.intro to be sent out -- not the generic
first part sent by majordomo. Is there a way to suppress the first part of the 
message automatically generated by majordomo.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Kamrul 


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On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 saarah@york.cuny.edu wrote:

> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:12:02 -0400
> From: saarah@york.cuny.edu
> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: How to configure welcome message
> 
> 
> Hello everyone!
> 
> Could someone help me configure the welcome message sent out by the majordomo.
> I've created a file listname.intro. Now any newly subscribed user gets 
> a 'welcome message' which consists of two parts, the first part is generated
> automatically by majordomo and the second part, which is the content of 
> listname.intro, is appended to it. 
> 
> However, I'd like only the listname.intro to be sent out -- not the generic
> first part sent by majordomo. Is there a way to suppress the first part of the 
> message automatically generated by majordomo.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any tips.

 ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/majordomo.7

Regards,

Joe
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:37:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joe R. Jah" 
To: Daniel Liston 
Cc: R Deepak ,
	majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Restrict to Domains in ListName-post
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Daniel Liston wrote:

> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:13:42 -0500
> From: Daniel Liston 
> To: R Deepak 
> Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: taboo_headers problem..: restrict2domain
> 
> The patch will allow you to use syntax such as;
> 
> restrict_post = @lantana.tenet.res.in
> 
> Anyone that attempts to write to your list from
> any other domain will cause a bounce to the list
> owner or moderator.
> 
> I do not believe it allows for the same syntax
> within a file defined on the restrict_post line.

You are right; restrict2domain.1 does not allow that syntax in
ListName-post, but this patch does:)

  ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/restrict2domain-post.0

It is untested.

Regards,

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Reply-To: "Klemen Humerca" 
From: "Klemen Humerca" 
To: "Majordomo lista" 
Subject: Resent email footer
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:16:30 +0200
Organization: Klemen Humerca
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C3384B.25BF9100
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello!

I'm using RH 7.3, Postfix and Majordomo 1.94.4. A week ago I created a mail=
ing list with Majordomo and it was working just great. I also included text=
 in "Resent email footer" and it was working. But now text is not included =
in mails. What can be wrong? I have in .config of the list this variable:

message_footer        <<   END
-
test test tset
END


butit is not working. ??


Klemen Humerca
=20
-----e-mail&web---------
 klemen@humerca.com
 www.humerca.com
 forum.humerca.com
------------------------

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable









Hello!


 


I'm using RH 7.3, Postfix and Majord=
omo=20
1.94.4. A week ago I created a mailing list with Majordomo and it was worki=
ng=20
just great. I also included text in "Resent email footer" an=
d it=20
was working. But now text is not included in mails. What can be wrong? I ha=
ve in=20
.config of the list this variable:


 


message_footer       =20
<<   END
-
test test tset
END


 


butit is not working. ??


 


 


Klemen=20
Humerca
 
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 www.humerca.com
 forum.humerca.=
com
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:43:32 -0500
From: Daniel Liston 
Subject: Re: Resent email footer
To: Klemen Humerca 
Cc: Majordomo lista 
Message-id: <3EF4D184.40905@sonny.org>
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The footer will only work on "plain text" emails.  Are you sure the
messages are coming in as plain text?

Dan Liston

Klemen Humerca wrote:
> Hello!
>  
> I'm using RH 7.3, Postfix and Majordomo 1.94.4. A week ago I created a 
> mailing list with Majordomo and it was working just great. I also 
> included text in "Resent email footer" and it was working. But now text 
> is not included in mails. What can be wrong? I have in .config of the 
> list this variable:
>  
> message_footer        <<   END
> -
> test test tset
> END
>  
> butit is not working. ??
>  
>  
> Klemen Humerca
>  
> -----e-mail&web---------
>  klemen@humerca.com 
>  www.humerca.com 
>  forum.humerca.com
> ------------------------
>  
>      .-.
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Reply-To: "Klemen Humerca" 
From: "Klemen Humerca" 
To: "Daniel Liston" ,
	"Majordomo lista" 
References: <009001c3383a$649e9940$0300a8c0@bigk> <3EF4D184.40905@sonny.org>
Subject: Re: Resent email footer
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:44:17 +0200
Organization: Klemen Humerca
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	charset="iso-8859-2"
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I just tried to send mail with plain text and it works. So it is really
problem with non-plain text messages. Ca it be fixed?


Klemen Humerca

-----e-mail&web---------
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 www.humerca.com
 forum.humerca.com
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    // \\        >Rules<
   /(   )\
    ^^-^^
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Liston" 
To: "Klemen Humerca" 
Cc: "Majordomo lista" 
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: Resent email footer


| The footer will only work on "plain text" emails.  Are you sure the
| messages are coming in as plain text?
|
| Dan Liston
|
| Klemen Humerca wrote:
| > Hello!
| >
| > I'm using RH 7.3, Postfix and Majordomo 1.94.4. A week ago I created a
| > mailing list with Majordomo and it was working just great. I also
| > included text in "Resent email footer" and it was working. But now text
| > is not included in mails. What can be wrong? I have in .config of the
| > list this variable:
| >
| > message_footer        <<   END
| > -
| > test test tset
| > END
| >
| > butit is not working. ??
| >
| >
| > Klemen Humerca
| >
| > -----e-mail&web---------
| >  klemen@humerca.com 
| >  www.humerca.com 
| >  forum.humerca.com
| > ------------------------
| >
| >      .-.
| >      /v\    L   I   N   U   X
| >     // \\        >Rules<
| >    /(   )\
| >     ^^-^^
|
|


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To: "Klemen Humerca" ,
	
From: Ed Kasky 
Subject: Re: Resent email footer
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I for one use demime to solve this issue...

http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.htm

At 11:44 PM Saturday, 6/21/2003, Klemen Humerca wrote -=>
>I just tried to send mail with plain text and it works. So it is really
>problem with non-plain text messages. Ca it be fixed?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Daniel Liston" 
>To: "Klemen Humerca" 
>Cc: "Majordomo lista" 
>Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:43 PM
>Subject: Re: Resent email footer
>
>
>| The footer will only work on "plain text" emails.  Are you sure the
>| messages are coming in as plain text?
>|
>| Dan Liston
>|
>| Klemen Humerca wrote:
>| > Hello!
>| >
>| > I'm using RH 7.3, Postfix and Majordomo 1.94.4. A week ago I created a
>| > mailing list with Majordomo and it was working just great. I also
>| > included text in "Resent email footer" and it was working. But now text
>| > is not included in mails. What can be wrong? I have in .config of the
>| > list this variable:
>| >
>| > message_footer        <<   END
>| > -
>| > test test tset
>| > END
>| >
>| > butit is not working. ??
>| >
>| >
>| > Klemen Humerca
>| >
>| > -----e-mail&web---------
>| >  klemen@humerca.com 
>| >  www.humerca.com 
>| >  forum.humerca.com
>| > ------------------------
>| >
>| >      .-.
>| >      /v\    L   I   N   U   X
>| >     // \\        >Rules<
>| >    /(   )\
>| >     ^^-^^
>|
>|

Ed Kasky
Los Angeles, CA
. . . . . . . .
It's pretty far, but it doesn't seem like it.
         -Yogi Berra, giving directions


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From: Daniel Liston 
Subject: Re: Resent email footer
To: Klemen Humerca 
Cc: Majordomo lista 
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Not so much "fixed", but worked around.  For the sanity of all
members of your list, you may want to demime your messages before
they are processed by majordomo.  If that is done, you are making
sure all email clients will be able to read your list messages too.

http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html

Dan Liston

Klemen Humerca wrote:
> I just tried to send mail with plain text and it works. So it is really
> problem with non-plain text messages. Ca it be fixed?
> 
> 
> Klemen Humerca
> 
> -----e-mail&web---------
>  klemen@humerca.com
>  www.humerca.com
>  forum.humerca.com
> ------------------------
> 
>      .-.
>      /v\    L   I   N   U   X
>     // \\        >Rules<
>    /(   )\
>     ^^-^^
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Daniel Liston" 
> To: "Klemen Humerca" 
> Cc: "Majordomo lista" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Resent email footer
> 
> 
> | The footer will only work on "plain text" emails.  Are you sure the
> | messages are coming in as plain text?
> |
> | Dan Liston
> |
> | Klemen Humerca wrote:
> | > Hello!
> | >
> | > I'm using RH 7.3, Postfix and Majordomo 1.94.4. A week ago I created a
> | > mailing list with Majordomo and it was working just great. I also
> | > included text in "Resent email footer" and it was working. But now text
> | > is not included in mails. What can be wrong? I have in .config of the
> | > list this variable:
> | >
> | > message_footer        <<   END
> | > -
> | > test test tset
> | > END
> | >
> | > butit is not working. ??
> | >
> | >
> | > Klemen Humerca
> | >
> | > -----e-mail&web---------
> | >  klemen@humerca.com 
> | >  www.humerca.com 
> | >  forum.humerca.com
> | > ------------------------
> | >
> | >      .-.
> | >      /v\    L   I   N   U   X
> | >     // \\        >Rules<
> | >    /(   )\
> | >     ^^-^^
> |
> |
> 



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Hello.
I have a few virtual domains on a server.
for example domain1.kk.com and domain2.kk.com both managed on the
server.kk.com
On this server there are user1 with the email address :
John1.Davies1@domain1.kk.com
and user2 with the email
John2.Davies2@domain2.kk.com

The idea is that I want a "everybody" list for each domain. If using email
addresses is simple because I include them in restrict_posts . But I want
to use users' names, this way ignoring thei email address. How can I
restrict posts for a domain, based on the username (the lists and the
users are on the same server) ?

I hope that I was pretty clear in order to get an answer.
Thank you.
L.I.

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Dear Sir,

 

I want to control the advertisement of lists in the majordomo version
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Hello,
I am installing majordomo with mac osx (10.2.6). I've installed the 
software, configured and did a make with no errors but now I'm trying 
to do the ./wrapper config-test
line it comes back and tells me  that I my user and group id is 
incorrect even though I changed them in the default majordomo.cf file.  
Some of the other errors also indicate that it is not reading the file 
I changed. Was I supposed to move it or something?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Rebecca


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I get the following errors in maillog whenever mail is sent to any mailing
list on our server.  We have a Cobalt RAQ550.

We're using the following versions :

Majordomo v1.94.4
perl 5.6.0
procmail v3.13.1
SpamAssassin version 2.53


Portion of maillog :

Jun 23 14:44:30 www sendmail[4582]: h5NIfVX04449:
to="|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l sales -C
/usr/local/majordomo/sites/site1/majordomo.cf 143-sales-list, nobody",
ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:02:59, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=prog, pri=122983, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: prog mailer
(/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL

Jun 23 14:44:31 www sendmail[4579]: h5NIaTX04244:
to="|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l sales -C
/usr/local/majordomo/sites/site1/majordomo.cf 143-sales-list, nobody",
ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:08:06, xdelay=00:00:01,
mailer=prog, pri=150949, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: prog mailer
(/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL


When I run majordomo alone I get the following error :

/etc/majordomo.cf not readable; stopped at ./majordomo line 44.

Here is a portion of my majordomo.cf.

# $digest_work_dir -- the parent directory for digest's queue area
# Each list must have a subdirectory under this directory in order for
# digest to work. E.G. The bblisa list would use:
#       /usr/local/mail/digest/bblisa
# as its directory.
#
if ( defined $ENV{"VIRTUAL"}) {
     $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/$ENV{'FQDN'}/digests";  ## This is Line 44
} else {
     $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests";
}



mailq shows the following :


h5NJ4cX06082     1549 Mon Jun 23 15:04 admin (Deferred: prog mailer
(/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF) "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
resend -l

h5NIllT04982      653 Mon Jun 23 14:47 admin (Deferred: prog mailer
(/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF) "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
resend -l

h5NIhcX04540      897 Mon Jun 23 14:43 admin (Deferred: prog mailer
(/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF) "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
resend -l

h5NIfVX04449     2966 Mon Jun 23 14:41 admin 8BITMIME   (Deferred: prog
mailer (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF)
"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l


I'm a bit new at this, thanks for your help in advance.

Regards,
Terry
tjamro@snowbound.com


From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Mon Jun 23 13:22:22 2003
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From: "Peter Dumpert" 
To: 
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:28:28 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Re: email through majordomo stuck in queue
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It looks like you're running sendmail with the restricted shell (smrsh) 
enabled.  For this to work, you have to do two things:

1. Put a symbolic link to the script you want to run (in this case 
wrapper) in the smrsh directory.  Mine is at /usr/adm/sm.bin, but 
check your documentation.

2. In the aliases, don't use full paths to the scripts.  It should be
     "|wrapper resend -l sales    instead of 
     "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l sales

smrsh only looks in the sm.bin directory, so it doesn't need a full 
path.

Hope this helps.

On 23 Jun 2003 at 15:36, Terry Jamro wrote:

> I get the following errors in maillog whenever mail is sent to any mailing
> list on our server.  We have a Cobalt RAQ550.
> 
> We're using the following versions :
> 
> Majordomo v1.94.4
> perl 5.6.0
> procmail v3.13.1
> SpamAssassin version 2.53
> 
> 
> Portion of maillog :
> 
> Jun 23 14:44:30 www sendmail[4582]: h5NIfVX04449:
> to="|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l sales -C
> /usr/local/majordomo/sites/site1/majordomo.cf 143-sales-list, nobody",
> ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:02:59, xdelay=00:00:00,
> mailer=prog, pri=122983, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: prog mailer
> (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL
> 
> Jun 23 14:44:31 www sendmail[4579]: h5NIaTX04244:
> to="|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l sales -C
> /usr/local/majordomo/sites/site1/majordomo.cf 143-sales-list, nobody",
> ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:08:06, xdelay=00:00:01,
> mailer=prog, pri=150949, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: prog mailer
> (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL
> 
> 
> When I run majordomo alone I get the following error :
> 
> /etc/majordomo.cf not readable; stopped at ./majordomo line 44.
> 
> Here is a portion of my majordomo.cf.
> 
> # $digest_work_dir -- the parent directory for digest's queue area
> # Each list must have a subdirectory under this directory in order for
> # digest to work. E.G. The bblisa list would use:
> #       /usr/local/mail/digest/bblisa
> # as its directory.
> #
> if ( defined $ENV{"VIRTUAL"}) {
>      $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/$ENV{'FQDN'}/digests";  ## This is Line
>      44
> } else {
>      $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests";
> }
> 
> 
> 
> mailq shows the following :
> 
> 
> h5NJ4cX06082     1549 Mon Jun 23 15:04 admin (Deferred: prog mailer
> (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF) "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
> resend -l
> 
> h5NIllT04982      653 Mon Jun 23 14:47 admin (Deferred: prog mailer
> (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF) "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
> resend -l
> 
> h5NIhcX04540      897 Mon Jun 23 14:43 admin (Deferred: prog mailer
> (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF) "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
> resend -l
> 
> h5NIfVX04449     2966 Mon Jun 23 14:41 admin 8BITMIME   (Deferred: prog
> mailer (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF)
> "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
> 
> 
> I'm a bit new at this, thanks for your help in advance.
> 
> Regards,
> Terry
> tjamro@snowbound.com
> 


-- 
Peter A. Dumpert
Innovative Computer Services LLC - web design/e-pubs/consulting
Innovative BusinessNet - an ISP for Business
www.innovativebusiness.net
Phone: 732-683-0092 ext 102  Fax: 732-577-9390



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This depends on who you want to allow to see the lists.  By default, any
member of the list can see the lists they are a zubscribed to.  If you
do not want anyone to see lists they are not already a member of, you can
use this setting in the .config file;

>         # noadvertise          [regexp_array] (undef) 
>         # If the requestor name matches one of these regexps, then the list
>         # will not be listed in the output of a lists command. Noadvertise
>         # overrides advertise.
> noadvertise         <<  END
> /./
> END

Dan Liston

Jawed Iqbal wrote:
> Dear Sir,
> 
>  
> 
> I want to control the advertisement of lists in the majordomo version 
> 1.94.5. kindly help me how to implement
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Jawed Iqbal
> 



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You change those settings in the Makefile, not the majordomo.cf.  Did you
create the user:group in /etc/passwd (/etc/masterpasswd) and /etc/group
before doing a make wrapper; make install; make install-wrapper?

Dan Liston

Beckie Pack wrote:
> Hello,
> I am installing majordomo with mac osx (10.2.6). I've installed the 
> software, configured and did a make with no errors but now I'm trying to 
> do the ./wrapper config-test
> line it comes back and tells me  that I my user and group id is 
> incorrect even though I changed them in the default majordomo.cf file.  
> Some of the other errors also indicate that it is not reading the file I 
> changed. Was I supposed to move it or something?
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rebecca



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It sounds like smrsh can not find a link to "wrapper" in the correct location.
Try this to find out where your smrsh expects to find these links;

strings /usr/sbin/smrsh | grep "^/"

Anything returned that is a file or a path is not a candidate for what you
are trying to find.

Dan Liston

Terry Jamro wrote:
> I get the following errors in maillog whenever mail is sent to any mailing
> list on our server.  We have a Cobalt RAQ550.
> 
> We're using the following versions :
> 
> Majordomo v1.94.4
> perl 5.6.0
> procmail v3.13.1
> SpamAssassin version 2.53
> 
> 
> Portion of maillog :
> 
> Jun 23 14:44:30 www sendmail[4582]: h5NIfVX04449:
> to="|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l sales -C
> /usr/local/majordomo/sites/site1/majordomo.cf 143-sales-list, nobody",
> ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:02:59, xdelay=00:00:00,
> mailer=prog, pri=122983, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: prog mailer
> (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL
> 
> Jun 23 14:44:31 www sendmail[4579]: h5NIaTX04244:
> to="|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l sales -C
> /usr/local/majordomo/sites/site1/majordomo.cf 143-sales-list, nobody",
> ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:08:06, xdelay=00:00:01,
> mailer=prog, pri=150949, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: prog mailer
> (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL
> 
> 
> When I run majordomo alone I get the following error :
> 
> /etc/majordomo.cf not readable; stopped at ./majordomo line 44.
> 
> Here is a portion of my majordomo.cf.
> 
> # $digest_work_dir -- the parent directory for digest's queue area
> # Each list must have a subdirectory under this directory in order for
> # digest to work. E.G. The bblisa list would use:
> #       /usr/local/mail/digest/bblisa
> # as its directory.
> #
> if ( defined $ENV{"VIRTUAL"}) {
>      $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/$ENV{'FQDN'}/digests";  ## This is Line 44
> } else {
>      $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests";
> }
> 
> 
> 
> mailq shows the following :
> 
> 
> h5NJ4cX06082     1549 Mon Jun 23 15:04 admin (Deferred: prog mailer
> (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF) "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
> resend -l
> 
> h5NIllT04982      653 Mon Jun 23 14:47 admin (Deferred: prog mailer
> (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF) "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
> resend -l
> 
> h5NIhcX04540      897 Mon Jun 23 14:43 admin (Deferred: prog mailer
> (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF) "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
> resend -l
> 
> h5NIfVX04449     2966 Mon Jun 23 14:41 admin 8BITMIME   (Deferred: prog
> mailer (/usr/sbin/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPF)
> "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
> 
> 
> I'm a bit new at this, thanks for your help in advance.
> 
> Regards,
> Terry
> tjamro@snowbound.com



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Hi Dan,

I did a typo in the email. I had changed them in the Makefile and 
somehow I got it working after changing some path settings.  I love OSX 
but I don't like the way it handles users and groups. I changed it the 
way OSX requires with niutil and majordomo was fine with this.  There 
were other errors but I'll figure them out too. Thanks for the response 
:-)

Beckie

On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 09:54 PM, Daniel Liston wrote:

> You change those settings in the Makefile, not the majordomo.cf.  Did 
> you
> create the user:group in /etc/passwd (/etc/masterpasswd) and /etc/group
> before doing a make wrapper; make install; make install-wrapper?
>
> Dan Liston
>
> Beckie Pack wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am installing majordomo with mac osx (10.2.6). I've installed the 
>> software, configured and did a make with no errors but now I'm trying 
>> to do the ./wrapper config-test
>> line it comes back and tells me  that I my user and group id is 
>> incorrect even though I changed them in the default majordomo.cf 
>> file.  Some of the other errors also indicate that it is not reading 
>> the file I changed. Was I supposed to move it or something?
>> Any help is appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Rebecca
>
>


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Got a problem with majordomo that just started happening.  For my 
scenario please assume Dan Liston's excellent "assumptions"  (below). 
These all hold true for my site, except that majordomo.cf  lives in 
/usr/local/majordomo.

System: Redhat 9. Sendmail ver 8.12.9

Majordomo is running fine, has been for several years.  Until then 
upgrade to Redhat9.  Suddenly my moderated lists turn down 
moderator-initiated unsubscription requests with the following line in 
/usr/local/majordomo/Log (names changed to protect the innocent):

Jun 19 13:29:05 hostname majordomo[20406] {moderator-name } who listname
Jun 19 13:30:05 hostname majordomo[20419] {moderator-name } approve PASSWORD unsubscribe listname someone@somewhere.com
Jun 19 13:30:06 hostname majordomo[20419] {moderator-name } ABORT chown(19, 666, "/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.new"): Operation not permitted
Jun 19 13:31:35 hostname majordomo[20430] {moderator-name } who listname
Jun 19 13:32:35 hostname majordomo[20438] {moderator-name } approve PASSWORD unsubscribe listname someone@somewhere.com
Jun 19 13:32:35 hostname majordomo[20438] {moderator-name } ABORT chown(19, 666,  "/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.new"): Operation not permitted
Jun 20 09:25:31 hostname majordomo[22524] {moderator-name } who listname
Jun 20 09:26:36 hostname majordomo[22532] {moderator-name } approve PASSWORD unsubscribe listname someone@somewhere.com
Jun 20 09:26:36 hostname majordomo[22532] {moderator-name } ABORT chown(19, 666, "/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.new"): Operation not permitted

In this case "listname" is a valid majordomo list, which is moderated.  The moderator knows the correct password for the list.  The address 
they're trying to remove exists in the list.

The list directory (/usr/local/majordomo/lists) is owned by user (#19) 
"majordomo" and group (#666) "majordomo" and has the following privs:

drwxr-xr-x    3 majordomo majordomo     8192 Jun 23 14:19 
/usr/local/majordomo/lists

Majordomo's /etc/passwd entry looks like this:

majordomo:*:19:19:Major Domo,,,,:/usr/local/majordomo:/bin/csh

Yet when majordomo tries to unsubscribe them, apparently it fails in 
creating the temp file (listname.new)?  Any ideas as to what's going 
on?    Thanks for any ideas!  --michael

p.s.  And am I the only one who feels that Majordomo 1.94.5 is adrift 
with no one working on it?  Dan Liston posted to the developer's list 
some time ago asking if it was time to "rebundle" majordomo's 
distribution, complete with all of the security fixes/patches.  No one 
replied.  Yet I would love to see a new distro, complete with all of the 
requisite security patches (or at the very least a LIST of the necessary 
patches one must apply to the 1.94.5 distribution.)


Assumptions:
======================================
Majordomo version 1.94.5
Sendmail version 8.8 (or higher)
You have root permission on the server
   to create users,
   modify the aliases file, and
   rebuild the aliases database.
You have created a
   majordomo user and
   majordomo group.
The majordomo $HOME directory is
   /usr/local/majordomo and this is owned by
   user majordomo and
   group majordomo.
The smrsh directory (if used) is
   /etc/smrsh and holds a
   link owned by root to
   /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper.mytld
There are no group or world "writable" directories in the path
   to /usr/local/majordomo, including / (root).
Sendmail "trusts" majordomo. You have a Tmajordomo line in
   sendmail.cf and submit.cf or these files use the
   /etc/mail/trusted-users file.
Sendmail only recognizes one "/etc/aliases" file.
   Others are allowed but outside the scope of this note.
Sendmail uses the "always_add_domain" feature.
The majordomo config file is /etc/majordomo.cf
The majordomo.cf variables are defined statically. No
   $whereami = "`/bin/dnsdomainname`";
   it should be
   $whereami = "myhost.mydomain.tld";
You already have a working list that utilizes resend.
   eg. wrapper resend -l  -outgoing
Your aliases file contains
   nobody: /dev/null ordomo






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I created the aliases required and ran newaliases. Whenever I send mail
to majordomo or the list alias (test-request, test), I get



MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

majordomo@academic2.csuohio.edu: cwood is not a valid return address.


I'm on the server. I even tried aliasing my username to username@host.domain 
and it still doesn't recognize it. I don't see this particular error in the
FAQ for majordomo.

Thanks in advance
Chris Wood

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:05:58 -0700
From: Deb 
To: cwood@academic2.csuohio.edu
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Subject: Re: still problems with majordomo
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You must use a fully qualified addr when communicating with majordomo.  In
older, unpatched versions, this was not always the case.

Aliasing won't make any difference - majordomo is parsing the message,
not resolving local aliases.  

It's been a learning process for our users when I upgraded and patched my
majordomo bits.  

Take care,

d


At 13:36:42, on 06.24.03:
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> I created the aliases required and ran newaliases. Whenever I send mail
> to majordomo or the list alias (test-request, test), I get
> 
> 
> 
> MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
> 
> majordomo@academic2.csuohio.edu: cwood is not a valid return address.
> 
> 
> I'm on the server. I even tried aliasing my username to username@host.domain 
> and it still doesn't recognize it. I don't see this particular error in the
> FAQ for majordomo.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Chris Wood

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Please see comment, below,

At 16:24:14, on 06.24.03:
Cracks in my tinfoil beanie allowed cwood@academic2.csuohio.edu to seep these
bits into my brain:,
> Thanks Deb, I sent mail from another server I'm on, and now I don't get the
> ABORT errors anymore.. but I still don't get any response from the server.

No problem.  Please respond to the list, however.  That way everyone can
learn.  :-)

Assuming you're using sendmail - have you checked the queue to see if it's
stuck?  

If you're using some other MTA, then you probably should post more details
about your setup.  Like, is this a new installation?  Patches?  If using
sendmail, do you get expected output by doing this,

sendmail -bv listname

(In other words, does it resolve properly?)

etc...

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This is what I get:

$ /usr/lib/sendmail -bv test
"|/usr/local/apps/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-list"... deliverable: mailer prog, user "|/usr/local/apps/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-list"


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Does anyone know the command to update the majorcool web
interface so it shows new lists that you just created in
majordomo? 

Thanks

David

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I think it's

./wrapper mj_key_cache

from the /majordomo directory

Andy Beverley


David Lloyd wrote:

> Does anyone know the command to update the majorcool web
> interface so it shows new lists that you just created in
> majordomo? 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David
> 
> 


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To: 
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Thanks Andy, that worked.

David

>>> Andrew Beverley  06/24/03 04:33PM
>>>
I think it's

./wrapper mj_key_cache

from the /majordomo directory

Andy Beverley


David Lloyd wrote:

> Does anyone know the command to update the majorcool web
> interface so it shows new lists that you just created in
> majordomo? 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David
> 
> 


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> The list directory (/usr/local/majordomo/lists) is owned by user (#19) 
> "majordomo" and group (#666) "majordomo" and has the following privs:
> 
> drwxr-xr-x    3 majordomo majordomo     8192 Jun 23 14:19 
> /usr/local/majordomo/lists
> 
> Majordomo's /etc/passwd entry looks like this:
> 
> majordomo:*:19:19:Major Domo,,,,:/usr/local/majordomo:/bin/csh

Not sure if this will do it for your or not...

You have the majordomo user set to 19:19 in the master password file,
but the file permissions are 19:666 on the files.

What is the 19 in the group file associated to?
Do you have majordomo added to the 666 group in your /etc/group file?

I would try changing the 19:19 to 19:666

Enjoy,
Steve



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Thanks everyone who helped me... I got majordomo working.

I think the problem was  (and maybe this is yours too, Michael) that 
I had a user named "majordomo", which is too long. I changed the name
to "majordom" and everything started working fine.

Chris 

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I have started seeing:

MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

Majordomo@mail.omnitec.net: not replying to MAILER-DAEMON to avoid mail loop.

on our mail server, .. and it is troubling! We only have three lists active 
(all are pretty small), and all are 'allow from subscribed addresses only'. 
Unfortunately, the archives are not searchable (is this facility somewhere?)

This is producing log entries such as:

Jun 25 09:35:28 mail.omnitec.net majordomo[6704] {Mail Delivery Subsystem 
} ABORT Majordomo@mail.omnitec.net: not replying to 
MAILER-DAEMON to avoid mail loop.

Is there an explanation for this behavior?

	Thanks!

	Lee

============================================
    Leland V. Lammert                                lvl@omnitec.net
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============================================

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I was wondering the same thing yesterday.  I can corellate the abort message
to a log-entry, and even a syslog entry for the email, but as to what actually
triggers a particular abort like this, sometimes a bounce to postmaster or
root at my list-server or domain-mail-server has a copy of the message.

Sometimes it's obvious - like someone sending commands to majordomo with HTML.
Other times, like this, I wish there were a better diagnostic to what the
abort message is referring.

Unless there's something I'm missing, majordomo is parsing the header, seeing
that it contains /mailer-daemon/i and then does the abort.  It doesn't do
anything about WHY, it just aborts to avoid doing a loop.

Does this sound right?  

d



At 09:45:17, on 06.25.03:
Cracks in my tinfoil beanie allowed L. V. Lammert to seep these bits into my brain:,
> I have started seeing:
> 
> MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
> 
> Majordomo@mail.omnitec.net: not replying to MAILER-DAEMON to avoid mail 
> loop.
> 
> on our mail server, .. and it is troubling! We only have three lists active 
> (all are pretty small), and all are 'allow from subscribed addresses only'. 
> Unfortunately, the archives are not searchable (is this facility somewhere?)
> 
> This is producing log entries such as:
> 
> Jun 25 09:35:28 mail.omnitec.net majordomo[6704] {Mail Delivery Subsystem 
> } ABORT Majordomo@mail.omnitec.net: not replying to 
> MAILER-DAEMON to avoid mail loop.
> 
> Is there an explanation for this behavior?
> 
> 	Thanks!
> 
> 	Lee
> 
> ============================================
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>       Chief Scientist                         Omnitec Corporation
>   Network/Internet Consultants              www.omnitec.net
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Hi Daniel,

Thank you for the info. I tried the setting, but it is not working.

Mathew

>>> Daniel Liston  20/06/03 22:40:13 >>>
I am away from my servers right now, but have you tried setting
this in the individual listname.config files?

message_headers << END
Errors-To: $SENDER
END

I this should do what you are looking for.  The only problem,
is that large lists that have not been cleaned up in awhile
could cause the sender to get dozens (hundreds) of bounces.
If the sender is not the "owner" of the list, these bounces
don't do anyone any good.  Only somebody with the approve
password for the list can administratively unsubscribe users
who's address is bouncing.

Dan Liston

Mathew Thomas wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> We have got more than 8000 majordomo list on one server based on student'=
s subject. List owner is same for all these list. Only academic staff are a=
llowed to mail to the list. Currently all the bounced message goes to the l=
ist owner.
>=20
> What I would like to change is that  the bounced massages go back to the =
sender instead of the list owner. How can I do it?
>=20
> Thanks in advance for the help
>=20
> Mathew
> RMIT University
>=20



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Are all of your lists configured similarly?  Do all of the aliases
directing mail to the lists utilize the "resend" script?  Have you
tried using a "blank" setting on the sender line of the .config
file?  I am really only taking stabs in the dark without having
additional information.  Using the setting below, where is the
bounce mail going?  Is it still going to the owner-?

Dan Liston


Mathew Thomas wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thank you for the info. I tried the setting, but it is not working.
> 
> Mathew
> 
> 
>>>>Daniel Liston  20/06/03 22:40:13 >>>
> 
> I am away from my servers right now, but have you tried setting
> this in the individual listname.config files?
> 
> message_headers << END
> Errors-To: $SENDER
> END
> 
> I this should do what you are looking for.  The only problem,
> is that large lists that have not been cleaned up in awhile
> could cause the sender to get dozens (hundreds) of bounces.
> If the sender is not the "owner" of the list, these bounces
> don't do anyone any good.  Only somebody with the approve
> password for the list can administratively unsubscribe users
> who's address is bouncing.
> 
> Dan Liston
> 
> Mathew Thomas wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>We have got more than 8000 majordomo list on one server based on student's subject. List owner is same for all these list. Only academic staff are allowed to mail to the list. Currently all the bounced message goes to the list owner.
>>
>>What I would like to change is that  the bounced massages go back to the sender instead of the list owner. How can I do it?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for the help
>>
>>Mathew
>>RMIT University
>>
> 
> 
> 


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Just a thought - Matthew, when you say bounced messages, do you mean 
messages that are bounced because the sender does not have the right to 
post (ie bounces produced by majordomo), or do you mean messages that 
are bounced back to sender because of delivery failures (ie messages 
produced by various mailer-daemons)?

Andy Beverley

Daniel Liston wrote:

> Are all of your lists configured similarly?  Do all of the aliases
> directing mail to the lists utilize the "resend" script?  Have you
> tried using a "blank" setting on the sender line of the .config
> file?  I am really only taking stabs in the dark without having
> additional information.  Using the setting below, where is the
> bounce mail going?  Is it still going to the owner-?
> 
> Dan Liston
> 
> 
> Mathew Thomas wrote:
> 
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> Thank you for the info. I tried the setting, but it is not working.
>>
>> Mathew
>>
>>
>>>>> Daniel Liston  20/06/03 22:40:13 >>>
>>
>>
>> I am away from my servers right now, but have you tried setting
>> this in the individual listname.config files?
>>
>> message_headers << END
>> Errors-To: $SENDER
>> END
>>
>> I this should do what you are looking for.  The only problem,
>> is that large lists that have not been cleaned up in awhile
>> could cause the sender to get dozens (hundreds) of bounces.
>> If the sender is not the "owner" of the list, these bounces
>> don't do anyone any good.  Only somebody with the approve
>> password for the list can administratively unsubscribe users
>> who's address is bouncing.
>>
>> Dan Liston
>>
>> Mathew Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We have got more than 8000 majordomo list on one server based on 
>>> student's subject. List owner is same for all these list. Only 
>>> academic staff are allowed to mail to the list. Currently all the 
>>> bounced message goes to the list owner.
>>>
>>> What I would like to change is that  the bounced massages go back to 
>>> the sender instead of the list owner. How can I do it?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for the help
>>>
>>> Mathew
>>> RMIT University
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 


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Hi,

I want a scheme such that only the users subscribed to the list should 
be able to send the email to the list.

Is there any parameter that I can turn on in the config file to make it 
happen.


Thanks
Jaysheel


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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:11 -0400, Jaysheel Mehd wrote:

> I want a scheme such that only the users subscribed to the list should
> be able to send the email to the list.
>
> Is there any parameter that I can turn on in the config file to make it
> happen.

See the "restrict_post" section of the list.config file.  Say, for
example, the list in question is called "pcusers".  Do this::

restrict_post       =   pcusers

The value used for restrict_post variable can be a single file (as above)
or a space or colon delimited list of files.  The above example is
suitable if you want only members of pc users to be able to post to
pcusers.  If you want a select list of other addresses who are not
subscribers to be able to post to pcusers as well, put those other
addresses in a separate file (let's say "otherpcusers") in your lists
directory, and do this in pcusers.config:

restrict_post       =   pcusers otherpcusers

or...

restrict_post       =   pcusers:otherpcusers

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Steve, thanks for your tip--Redhat has the (obnoxious)  habit of 
creating a group with the same name as a username, if you don't supply a 
group name when creating a new account. So, majordomo, in my case, is 
user #19, and was also put into its own group, #19.  I'm going to 
correct all of this and will give it a whirl.

And if that doesn't work, I'll try the other tip of renaming majordomo 
to "majordom" which Chris suggested.  --michael


Stephen Bechard wrote:

>>The list directory (/usr/local/majordomo/lists) is owned by user (#19) 
>>"majordomo" and group (#666) "majordomo" and has the following privs:
>>
>>drwxr-xr-x    3 majordomo majordomo     8192 Jun 23 14:19 
>>/usr/local/majordomo/lists
>>
>>Majordomo's /etc/passwd entry looks like this:
>>
>>majordomo:*:19:19:Major Domo,,,,:/usr/local/majordomo:/bin/csh
>>    
>>
>
>Not sure if this will do it for your or not...
>
>You have the majordomo user set to 19:19 in the master password file,
>but the file permissions are 19:666 on the files.
>
>What is the 19 in the group file associated to?
>Do you have majordomo added to the 666 group in your /etc/group file?
>
>I would try changing the 19:19 to 19:666
>
>Enjoy,
>Steve
>
>  
>


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Steve, thanks for your tip--Redhat has the (obnoxious)  habit of
creating a group with the same name as a username, if you don't supply
a group name when creating a new account. So, majordomo, in my case, is
user #19, and was also put into its own group, #19.  I'm going to
correct all of this and will give it a whirl.



And if that doesn't work, I'll try the other tip of renaming majordomo
to "majordom" which Chris suggested.  --michael 





Stephen Bechard wrote:



  

    
The list directory (/usr/local/majordomo/lists) is owned by user (#19) 
"majordomo" and group (#666) "majordomo" and has the following privs:

drwxr-xr-x    3 majordomo majordomo     8192 Jun 23 14:19 
/usr/local/majordomo/lists

Majordomo's /etc/passwd entry looks like this:

majordomo:*:19:19:Major Domo,,,,:/usr/local/majordomo:/bin/csh
    

  

  

Not sure if this will do it for your or not...

You have the majordomo user set to 19:19 in the master password file,
but the file permissions are 19:666 on the files.

What is the 19 in the group file associated to?
Do you have majordomo added to the 666 group in your /etc/group file?

I would try changing the 19:19 to 19:666

Enjoy,
Steve

  








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I am having real bad troubles all of a sudden.

Sendmail had to "upgraded to support relaing" so I changed
the sendmail.cf file using the m4 compiler and added some
relaying for cell phones and dnsbl etc....

instituted and it seemed that everything worked.

BUT now I get lots of messages saying the 
when send mail clones to owner-majordomo and does
a "| majordomo program"  it get deferred with a EX_TEMPFAIL
mesasge.  But weird things are happening now.
we can post etc... (since it uses a different alias, but all
subscribe help list etc... DON't work.

anyone have any ideas?

1.94.5
freebsd 4.4
sendmail 8.12.6

Thanks tim

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Actually, I haven't a clue about this problem, but

Could the list administrator for this list PLEASE update the configuration
file to add some sort of identifier to the subject line of the list? or am I
the only subscriber who gets confused?

prefixing something like "[majordomo-users]" to the subject would let me
know that this isn't spam offering me Viagra (which is what I first thought
when I got mail from a "Dr. Tim" regarding 'serious trouble' . . . . or
worse,  since my GP is also a "Dr. Tim"

Thanks!




From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Thu Jun 26 11:32:09 2003
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That's not a bad idea... since you seem to be using outlook, you 
could set up a filter to look for the string "majordomo-users" in
the "to:" header, and move those messages to a majordomo-users
folder.

HTH

Chris

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That's they way mine is set up.  Makes it much easier if all your
mailing lists get put in their own folder, especially when you are on >
20 lists.

	Jason

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:32 PM
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Subject: Re: serious trouble.

That's not a bad idea... since you seem to be using outlook, you=20
could set up a filter to look for the string "majordomo-users" in
the "to:" header, and move those messages to a majordomo-users
folder.

HTH

Chris

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Use the following to filter the mail, no header change is required. (Though it
does look better :))

cheers
Jeff

Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the To or CC line contains 'majordomo-users@greatcircle.com'
Move it to the majordomo folder

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: 
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Subject: Re: serious trouble.


That's they way mine is set up.  Makes it much easier if all your
mailing lists get put in their own folder, especially when you are on >
20 lists.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:32 PM
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Subject: Re: serious trouble.

That's not a bad idea... since you seem to be using outlook, you
could set up a filter to look for the string "majordomo-users" in
the "to:" header, and move those messages to a majordomo-users
folder.

HTH

Chris


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Seems to me that a request such as yours would be more successfully answered
if you included the majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com on your To: or Cc:
line.  There's no guarantee that the owner is paying attention to the content
of this list (or that s/he isn't, either).  

Good Luck!

d

At 11:28:21, on 06.26.03:
Cracks in my tinfoil beanie allowed Palace Theatre to seep these bits into my brain:,
> Actually, I haven't a clue about this problem, but
> 
> Could the list administrator for this list PLEASE update the configuration
> file to add some sort of identifier to the subject line of the list? or am I
> the only subscriber who gets confused?
> 
> prefixing something like "[majordomo-users]" to the subject would let me
> know that this isn't spam offering me Viagra (which is what I first thought
> when I got mail from a "Dr. Tim" regarding 'serious trouble' . . . . or
> worse,  since my GP is also a "Dr. Tim"
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 

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Hi Andrew,

What I meant is that messages that are bounced back  because of delivery fa=
ilures(ie messages=20
produced by various mailer-daemons)

Thanks
Mathew


>>> Andrew Beverley  26/06/03 18:17:00 >>>
Just a thought - Matthew, when you say bounced messages, do you mean=20
messages that are bounced because the sender does not have the right to=20
post (ie bounces produced by majordomo), or do you mean messages that=20
are bounced back to sender because of delivery failures (ie messages=20
produced by various mailer-daemons)?

Andy Beverley

Daniel Liston wrote:

> Are all of your lists configured similarly?  Do all of the aliases
> directing mail to the lists utilize the "resend" script?  Have you
> tried using a "blank" setting on the sender line of the .config
> file?  I am really only taking stabs in the dark without having
> additional information.  Using the setting below, where is the
> bounce mail going?  Is it still going to the owner-?
>=20
> Dan Liston
>=20
>=20
> Mathew Thomas wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> Thank you for the info. I tried the setting, but it is not working.
>>
>> Mathew
>>
>>
>>>>> Daniel Liston  20/06/03 22:40:13 >>>
>>
>>
>> I am away from my servers right now, but have you tried setting
>> this in the individual listname.config files?
>>
>> message_headers << END
>> Errors-To: $SENDER
>> END
>>
>> I this should do what you are looking for.  The only problem,
>> is that large lists that have not been cleaned up in awhile
>> could cause the sender to get dozens (hundreds) of bounces.
>> If the sender is not the "owner" of the list, these bounces
>> don't do anyone any good.  Only somebody with the approve
>> password for the list can administratively unsubscribe users
>> who's address is bouncing.
>>
>> Dan Liston
>>
>> Mathew Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We have got more than 8000 majordomo list on one server based on=20
>>> student's subject. List owner is same for all these list. Only=20
>>> academic staff are allowed to mail to the list. Currently all the=20
>>> bounced message goes to the list owner.
>>>
>>> What I would like to change is that  the bounced massages go back to=20
>>> the sender instead of the list owner. How can I do it?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for the help
>>>
>>> Mathew
>>> RMIT University
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>=20
>=20



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Hi, I'm having trouble communicating with the majordomo that I set up at Ma=
jordomo@mydomainname.com .  It works when I send messages using an account =
@ mydomainname.com, but when I try to use a hotmail account, it doesn't.  I=
'm thinking it has to do with dns, but I'm not exactly sure how I can fix t=
his.  I'm pretty new to linux and majordomo, so any help would be greatly a=
ppreciated.  Thanks!!=20

The machine where I installed majordomo is running:
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Hi, I'm having trouble communicating&=
nbsp;with=20
the majordomo that I set up at Majordomo@mydomainname.com .  It works when I send messages using an =
account @=20
mydomainname.com, but when I try to use a hotmail account, it=20
doesn't.  I'm thinking it has to do with dns, but I'm not exactly sure=
 how=20
I can fix this.  I'm pretty new to linux and majordomo, so any he=
lp=20
would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!! 


 


The machine where I installed majordomo is=
=20
running:
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Kernel 2.2.16-22 on an=
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Hi Dan,

Yes, all the list have got the same configuration and use the "resend" scri=
pt. I tried blank  setting  in the sender line of the .config, but that tim=
e mail goes to MAILER-DAEMON with an error "not a valid return address"

When I used the setting=20
message_headers << END
> Errors-To: $SENDER
> END
the bounce mail goes to the owner-

Thank you very much for your help
Mathew


>>> Daniel Liston  26/06/03 16:10:20 >>>
Are all of your lists configured similarly?  Do all of the aliases
directing mail to the lists utilize the "resend" script?  Have you
tried using a "blank" setting on the sender line of the .config
file?  I am really only taking stabs in the dark without having
additional information.  Using the setting below, where is the
bounce mail going?  Is it still going to the owner-?

Dan Liston


Mathew Thomas wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>=20
> Thank you for the info. I tried the setting, but it is not working.
>=20
> Mathew
>=20
>=20
>>>>Daniel Liston  20/06/03 22:40:13 >>>
>=20
> I am away from my servers right now, but have you tried setting
> this in the individual listname.config files?
>=20
> message_headers << END
> Errors-To: $SENDER
> END
>=20
> I this should do what you are looking for.  The only problem,
> is that large lists that have not been cleaned up in awhile
> could cause the sender to get dozens (hundreds) of bounces.
> If the sender is not the "owner" of the list, these bounces
> don't do anyone any good.  Only somebody with the approve
> password for the list can administratively unsubscribe users
> who's address is bouncing.
>=20
> Dan Liston
>=20
> Mathew Thomas wrote:
>=20
>>Hi,
>>
>>We have got more than 8000 majordomo list on one server based on student'=
s subject. List owner is same for all these list. Only academic staff are a=
llowed to mail to the list. Currently all the bounced message goes to the l=
ist owner.
>>
>>What I would like to change is that  the bounced massages go back to the =
sender instead of the list owner. How can I do it?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for the help
>>
>>Mathew
>>RMIT University
>>
>=20
>=20
>=20



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From: "Angel, Mark J. (Tru64 UNIX)" 
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Hi,
While not new to majordomo, I never had the experience of setting up=20
majordomo from scratch. On a HP-UX 11.22 ia64 system with sendmail
8.11.1,
I installed and configured majordomo-1.94.5. The install went fine,=20
but whenever I send majordomo a command i.e. config  .admin,

it returns the following:

**** No valid commands found.
**** Commands must be in message BODY, not in HEADER.

[ help text ]

Both the empty list and the list's passwd file exist. The list.passwd
file has the correct password.

sendmail also appears to behaving correctly.

I've searched through similar majordomo configurations (on Tru64=20
UNIX), FAQs, READMEs, and the archives for information. I did find=20
a note in the Feb 2002 archives from someone who had a similar problem.
Unfortunately, no solution was posted.
=20
Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

-mark angel-

Output from config-test:

> ./wrapper config-test
------------------------------------------------------------
---------------- Config-test for Majordomo ----------------
------------------------------------------------------------


--------------------- Obvious things: ---------------------
------------------ environment variables ------------------
   HOME=3D/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.5
   LOGNAME=3Droot
   MAJORDOMO_CF=3D/usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf
   PATH=3D/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb
   SHELL=3D/bin/sh
   TZ=3DEST5EDT
   USER=3Droot
--------------------- euid/egid checks ---------------------
   effective user  =3D majordom (uid 15)
   effective group =3D majordomo users lp mail daemon adm bin other root
sys (gid 1000 20 7 6 5 4 2 1 0 3 )
---------------------- uid/gid checks ----------------------
   real      user  =3D majordom (uid 15)
   real      group =3D majordomo users lp mail daemon adm bin other root
sys (gid 1000 20 7 6 5 4 2 1 0 3 )
------------------------------------------------------------

        Non obvious things that cause headaches:

------------------------------------------------------------
Good: 'require'd /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf okay.
Good: found ctime.pl okay.
Good: found majordomo_version.pl okay.
Good: found majordomo.pl okay.
Good: found shlock.pl okay.
Good: found config_parse.pl okay.

You're running Majordomo Version 1.94.5.

--=3D=3D> Majordomo home directory is /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.5.
------------------- Include directories -------------------
        /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.5
        /opt/perl/lib/5.6.1/IA64.ARCHREV_0-thread-multi
        /opt/perl/lib/5.6.1
        /opt/perl/lib/site_perl/5.6.1/IA64.ARCHREV_0-thread-multi
        /opt/perl/lib/site_perl/5.6.1
        /opt/perl/lib/site_perl
        .
--------------------------- Home ---------------------------
Good: changedir to /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.5 succeeded.
Good: Created a mock lock file.
---------------------- temp directory ----------------------
Good: Created a temp file in $TMPDIR (/usr/tmp).
---------------------- list directory ----------------------
Good: list directory /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.5/lists has good
permissions.
--------------------------- log ---------------------------
Good: logfile /usr/majordomo/majordomo-1.94.5/Log exists and is
writeable.
------------------------- Mailers -------------------------
You have defined a mailer for delivery.
Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay.
You have defined a mailer for delivering administrative messages.
Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay.
------------------ Checking majordomo.cf ------------------
Checking to see if there are new variables that should be in
your majordomo.cf file...Nope, none that I see.

Have you configured where Majordomo is?
        $whereami is 
Good: yup!
----------------------- end of tests -----------------------

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From: "Thomas Hanson" 
To: "'Majordomo Users'" 
Subject: restrict post to a ip group?
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:54:33 +0200
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Hi,
Is it posible to restrict access to a list to a certain ip network?
We have several lists, but a few of them are only allowed to be sent to from
certain areas. The problem is the email alias can vary. We don't mind about
that, just as long as they come from our internal ip network.
We are a dormitory and people have there own email addresses, and we do not
know them all, but they should all have access to send to this list as long
as they are sending from the local network. Other lists are to be available
for people even though they are not in the local network. Is this possible?

Thanks

Thomas


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Ye 2003-06-26 11:28 -0700, Palace Theatre skribis:

> Could the list administrator for this list PLEASE update the configuration
> file to add some sort of identifier to the subject line of the list? or am I
> the only subscriber who gets confused?
>
> prefixing something like "[majordomo-users]" to the subject would let me
> know that this isn't spam offering me Viagra (which is what I first thought
> when I got mail from a "Dr. Tim" regarding 'serious trouble' . . . . or
> worse,  since my GP is also a "Dr. Tim"

I also would like list owners to identify their lists in the subject
line.  They will tell you you should set up procmail or deliver to put
the mail you receive in folders automatically, but why should you?  I
have used procmail to drive spamoracle, but I look for new mail in one
place.  And delete unread, on the basis of a quick glance at the
subject, what I don't recognise as coming from a known person or list.
This means I sometimes delete messages I would like to have seen.

It seems very strange to me that we need to say this to the md list
maintainers, of all people.

You can use procmail or deliver at the recipient end to add such a
label to the subject line, but this gets to be annoying.

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From: "Peter P. Benac" 
To: 
Subject: Majordomo Commands in messages to list
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:13:59 -0400
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Greetings,

   I know I am missing something but I can't figure out what I am missing. =
 I
have several lists on two different servers. Both are running the latest 1.=
95
code, Solaris 8, and Sendmail 8.12.8p1

   If anyone sends message to any of my lists with Majordomo commands as pa=
rt of
a normal conversation majordomo will bounce the message with invalid argume=
nts.

   Is there a way to prevent this?  I have sent up  {list}-request,
{list}-approval and so forth and {list}@ still tries to interpret the Major=
domo
command.

   "You should subscribe to the majordomo mail list to get information on
Majordomo".  This sentence will bounce on any of my lists.=20

Regards,
Pete
----
Peter P. Benac, CCNA
Emacolet Networking Services, Inc
Providing Systems and Network Consulting, Training, Web Hosting Services
Phone: 919-847-1740 or 866-701-2345
Web: http://www.emacolet.com
Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit
http://www.nmsusers.org

To have principles...
        First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!!


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From: Henry Hartley 
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Majordomo Commands in messages to list
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter P. Benac [mailto:ppbenac@emacolet.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:14 AM
>> 
>> If anyone sends message to any of my lists with Majordomo
>> commands as part of a normal conversation majordomo will
>> bounce the message with invalid arguments.

In your list.config file, look for the setting for administrivia
and try setting it to "no".  While the idea is a good one, I've
found that the implementation isn't perfect.

-- 
Henry Hartley

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To: 
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:14:13 -0400
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Have you tried setting administrivia  =  no in your list config files?

On 27 Jun 2003 at 10:13, Peter P. Benac wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
>    I know I am missing something but I can't figure out what I am missing. 
>    I
> have several lists on two different servers. Both are running the latest
> 1.95 code, Solaris 8, and Sendmail 8.12.8p1
> 
>    If anyone sends message to any of my lists with Majordomo commands as
>    part of
> a normal conversation majordomo will bounce the message with invalid
> arguments.
> 
>    Is there a way to prevent this?  I have sent up  {list}-request,
> {list}-approval and so forth and {list}@ still tries to interpret the
> Majordomo command.
> 
>    "You should subscribe to the majordomo mail list to get information on
> Majordomo".  This sentence will bounce on any of my lists. 
> 
> Regards,
> Pete
> ----
> Peter P. Benac, CCNA
> Emacolet Networking Services, Inc
> Providing Systems and Network Consulting, Training, Web Hosting Services
> Phone: 919-847-1740 or 866-701-2345 Web: http://www.emacolet.com Need quick
> reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit http://www.nmsusers.org
> 
> To have principles...
>         First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!!
> 
> 


-- 
Peter A. Dumpert
Innovative Computer Services LLC - web design/e-pubs/consulting
Innovative BusinessNet - an ISP for Business
www.innovativebusiness.net
Phone: 732-683-0092 ext 102  Fax: 732-577-9390



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To: "'Henry Hartley'" ,
	
Subject: Re: Majordomo Commands in messages to list
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Working now!!

Thanks to all that answered.  Guess we sometimes overlook the obvious.

Regards,
Pete

----
Peter P. Benac, CCNA
Emacolet Networking Services, Inc
Providing Systems and Network Consulting, Training, Web Hosting Services
Phone: 919-847-1740 or 866-701-2345
Web: http://www.emacolet.com
Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit
http://www.nmsusers.org

To have principles...
        First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!!


-----Original Message-----
From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com
[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Henry Hartley
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:55 AM
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Majordomo Commands in messages to list


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter P. Benac [mailto:ppbenac@emacolet.com]
>> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:14 AM
>>=20
>> If anyone sends message to any of my lists with Majordomo commands as=20
>> part of a normal conversation majordomo will bounce the message with=20
>> invalid arguments.

In your list.config file, look for the setting for administrivia and try se=
tting
it to "no".  While the idea is a good one, I've found that the implementati=
on
isn't perfect.

--=20
Henry Hartley


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I apologize for posting your entire message in my reply, but I will
be inserting comments throughout.


Michael Regoli wrote:
> Got a problem with majordomo that just started happening.  For my 
> scenario please assume Dan Liston's excellent "assumptions"  (below). 
> These all hold true for my site, except that majordomo.cf  lives in 
> /usr/local/majordomo.

Unless you host mailing lists, or yours is hosted, I recommend putting
majordomo.cf in /etc or at least creating a link there to the one in
/usr/local/majordomo.  The perl scripts all seem to want to use this
location by default, or at least as a alternate option to the $ENV
for majordomo.

> 
> System: Redhat 9. Sendmail ver 8.12.9

You know that sendmail 8.12.x has some configuration issues we have
not been used to with previous versions?  There is now the sendmail
message submission program (smmsp) that must be dealt with to allow
for majordomo lists.  Group memberships, file ownerships, and another
configuration that must "trust" majordomo.

> 
> Majordomo is running fine, has been for several years.  Until then 
> upgrade to Redhat9.  Suddenly my moderated lists turn down 
> moderator-initiated unsubscription requests with the following line in 
> /usr/local/majordomo/Log (names changed to protect the innocent):

Does the moderator also have local access to the majordomo/sendmail
server, or does all the work happen via email commands?

> 
> Jun 19 13:29:05 hostname majordomo[20406] {moderator-name } who listname
> Jun 19 13:30:05 hostname majordomo[20419] {moderator-name } approve PASSWORD unsubscribe listname someone@somewhere.com
> Jun 19 13:30:06 hostname majordomo[20419] {moderator-name } ABORT chown(19, 666, "/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.new"): Operation not permitted
> Jun 19 13:31:35 hostname majordomo[20430] {moderator-name } who listname
> Jun 19 13:32:35 hostname majordomo[20438] {moderator-name } approve PASSWORD unsubscribe listname someone@somewhere.com
> Jun 19 13:32:35 hostname majordomo[20438] {moderator-name } ABORT chown(19, 666,  "/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.new"): Operation not permitted
> Jun 20 09:25:31 hostname majordomo[22524] {moderator-name } who listname
> Jun 20 09:26:36 hostname majordomo[22532] {moderator-name } approve PASSWORD unsubscribe listname someone@somewhere.com
> Jun 20 09:26:36 hostname majordomo[22532] {moderator-name } ABORT chown(19, 666, "/usr/local/majordomo/lists/listname.new"): Operation not permitted
> 
> In this case "listname" is a valid majordomo list, which is moderated.  
 > The moderator knows the correct password for the list.  The address
> they're trying to remove exists in the list.

Considering this was all working for a long time before the OS upgrade
which included a sendmail upgrade, you may want to focus on that area.
What is the relationship between majordomo and the new smmsp?  What
new security requirements have been introduced or are now more strictly
enforced?  Maybe you just need to add the majordomo user to the smmsp
group.

> 
> The list directory (/usr/local/majordomo/lists) is owned by user (#19) 
> "majordomo" and group (#666) "majordomo" and has the following privs:
> 
> drwxr-xr-x    3 majordomo majordomo     8192 Jun 23 14:19 
> /usr/local/majordomo/lists
> 
> Majordomo's /etc/passwd entry looks like this:
> 
> majordomo:*:19:19:Major Domo,,,,:/usr/local/majordomo:/bin/csh

You have a "slight" conflict of information here.  The passwd entry for
majordomo states it's group membership to be 19 rather than 666.  I use
91:91 on my redhat system, just to stay matched up with the RPM.  Is it
possible that you have two entries for majordomo in the /etc/group file?
Side note: csh is probably not the best choice of shells for majordomo.

> 
> Yet when majordomo tries to unsubscribe them, apparently it fails in 
> creating the temp file (listname.new)?  Any ideas as to what's going 
> on?    Thanks for any ideas!  --michael
> 
> p.s.  And am I the only one who feels that Majordomo 1.94.5 is adrift 
> with no one working on it?  Dan Liston posted to the developer's list 
> some time ago asking if it was time to "rebundle" majordomo's 
> distribution, complete with all of the security fixes/patches.  No one 
> replied.  Yet I would love to see a new distro, complete with all of the 
> requisite security patches (or at the very least a LIST of the necessary 
> patches one must apply to the 1.94.5 distribution.)

I think the most work was done on majordomo between '92 and '93.  The
.5 release added some cool and needed features, but still has some Y2k
compatibility issues with digest and archive.  Those of us that still
like to tinker, do not own majordomo or have any right to release code
that has not been approved for distribution by the owner.

There is a majordomo II project that appears to be active, and even though
the code is _STILL_ in alpha release after more than 3.5 years, claims have
been made by many users that it outperforms majordomo 1.9x considerably.

Dan Liston


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What operating system, mail transport agent, and version of majordomo are
you running?  Prior to majordomo 1.94.5 you could use short *unqualified*
email addresses.  Not any more (unless you change line 605 of majordomo.pl).

     # Addresses must have both an @ and a .
#   if (/\@/ && !/\./) {        # 1.94.4 allowed for unqualified hostnames
     if (!(/\@/ && /\./)) {      # 1.94.5

The comments in the lines above are my own.

Dan Liston

cwood@academic2.csuohio.edu wrote:
> I created the aliases required and ran newaliases. Whenever I send mail
> to majordomo or the list alias (test-request, test), I get
> 
> 
> 
> MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
> 
> majordomo@academic2.csuohio.edu: cwood is not a valid return address.
> 
> 
> I'm on the server. I even tried aliasing my username to username@host.domain 
> and it still doesn't recognize it. I don't see this particular error in the
> FAQ for majordomo.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Chris Wood



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Do any of your aliases on *YOUR* server associate majordomo with postmaster
or root or any other alias that can be expanded to either of the previous?
I would avoid this, just to make troubleshooting easier.  You can make sure
the MAILER-DAEMON is not on or from your own machine.

Dan Liston

L. V. Lammert wrote:
> I have started seeing:
> 
> MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!
> 
> Majordomo@mail.omnitec.net: not replying to MAILER-DAEMON to avoid mail loop.
> 
> on our mail server, .. and it is troubling! We only have three lists active 
> (all are pretty small), and all are 'allow from subscribed addresses only'. 
> Unfortunately, the archives are not searchable (is this facility somewhere?)
> 
> This is producing log entries such as:
> 
> Jun 25 09:35:28 mail.omnitec.net majordomo[6704] {Mail Delivery Subsystem 
> } ABORT Majordomo@mail.omnitec.net: not replying to 
> MAILER-DAEMON to avoid mail loop.
> 
> Is there an explanation for this behavior?
> 
> 	Thanks!
> 
> 	Lee
> 
> ============================================
>     Leland V. Lammert                                lvl@omnitec.net
>        Chief Scientist                         Omnitec Corporation
>    Network/Internet Consultants              www.omnitec.net
> ============================================



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How about asking the spammers to prepend their subjects with [spam] or
[advertisement]???  There are fields that can be filtered on besides
"subject:".  I have been a member of this list since 1998, and I would
just *HATE* it if the subject became polluted with prefixing.  Maybe
you are new to mailing lists, or maybe not, but a suggestion from a user
that has been around the block a time or two would be to create folders
for your various lists using your email client.  Then create filters for
those folders so that mailing list messages are automatically deposited
into the correct folder for you.  That way when you see email from
Dr. Phil, you won't think you are wanted on the Opra show.

Thanks

Palace Theatre wrote:
> Actually, I haven't a clue about this problem, but
> 
> Could the list administrator for this list PLEASE update the configuration
> file to add some sort of identifier to the subject line of the list? or am I
> the only subscriber who gets confused?
> 
> prefixing something like "[majordomo-users]" to the subject would let me
> know that this isn't spam offering me Viagra (which is what I first thought
> when I got mail from a "Dr. Tim" regarding 'serious trouble' . . . . or
> worse,  since my GP is also a "Dr. Tim"
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 



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Unfortunately, your attempt to hide your domain name also prevents
those of us willing to help from helping you.

First, mail from outside your world (domain) has to know how to find
your domain.  The same is true for web pages, ftp files, or any other
service you want to provide on "the net".  DNS helps us with this so
we don't have to have multimillion line hosts files everywhere.

If your majordomo machine is behind a corporate firewall, you will
need to inform security and the mail admins of the address you are
using for majordomo (after the dns works).

Google is your friend when it comes to learning these kind of things.
While we at this list are happy to help when and where we can, I really
think your question is better suited to networking in general, or even
sendmail for a HOW-TO on getting email passed between machines.

Dan Liston

yvonne chan wrote:
> Hi, I'm having trouble communicating with the majordomo that I set up at 
> Majordomo@mydomainname.com  .  It 
> works when I send messages using an account @ mydomainname.com, but 
> when I try to use a hotmail account, it doesn't.  I'm thinking it has to 
> do with dns, but I'm not exactly sure how I can fix this.  I'm pretty 
> new to linux and majordomo, so any help would be greatly 
> appreciated.  Thanks!! 
>  
> The machine where I installed majordomo is running:
> Red Hat Linux release 7.0 (Guinness)
> Kernel 2.2.16-22 on an i586
>  



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This may help:
http://www.brahmer.net/spam.html
Ken




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The best way to configure this would be at the sendmail or firewall level,
before majordomo even gets a chance at it.  You might even consider using
procmail on your list alias to validate header information such as network
address in the "Received:" line before passing to resend.

Here is what I do to enable procmail for my majordomo aliases;

#########################################################################
#
# Sample use of procmail aliases with sendmail and majordomo
# The sample recipe "helps" assure each message is addressed to the list.
# The recipe(s) MUST be owned by the same UID sendmail/procmail runs as.
# I set them 664 mail:majordomo
#
# LISTNAME: "|/usr/bin/procmail -f- /var/lib/majordomo/recipe/LISTNAME"
#
# LISTNAME is the alias for your list, piped to the fully qualified location
# of procmail.  -f- reads the location and name of the recipe to be used.
# This recipe in turn passes control back to the resend script.
#
# :0fhw
# * !^(To|Cc):.*LISTNAME(-digest)?@DOMAIN\.TLD
# | /usr/bin/formail -I "X-ApprovalRequired: true"
# :0
# | /usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l LISTNAME LISTNAME-outgoing,nobody
#
# Note, using a global or per-list taboo filter on "X-ApprovalRequired:"
# will bounce Bcc:'d hostname qualified mail to the LISTNAME-approval address.
# /^X-ApprovalRequired:/i
# Alternative condition line so that BCC'd address is also accepted;
# * !^TO_LISTNAME(-digest)?@DOMAIN\.TLD
# where there is no space between TO_ and the LISTNAME. TO_ is case sensitive.
#
########################################################################

In your case, the recipe would need a regular expression to match the
IP address of those in your dormitory.

Dan Liston

Thomas Hanson wrote:
> Hi,
> Is it posible to restrict access to a list to a certain ip network?
> We have several lists, but a few of them are only allowed to be sent to from
> certain areas. The problem is the email alias can vary. We don't mind about
> that, just as long as they come from our internal ip network.
> We are a dormitory and people have there own email addresses, and we do not
> know them all, but they should all have access to send to this list as long
> as they are sending from the local network. Other lists are to be available
> for people even though they are not in the local network. Is this possible?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Thomas
> 



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1. replace verb 'ask' with verb 'CCOMMAND', under penalty of law.
Several bills are pending. Several want to prepend something like
[ADV] to facilitate filtering this C*** into the trashpile unread and unopened.


Daniel Liston wrote:
> How about asking the spammers to prepend their subjects with [spam] or
> [advertisement]???  There are fields that can be filtered on besides
> "subject:".  I have been a member of this list since 1998, and I would
> just *HATE* it if the subject became polluted with prefixing.

Although I can understand this, and even sympathize, header filtering leaves most 
newbies confused, and therefore it is often unimplemented. Subject prepending is a 
imperfect but simple and effective solution in a imperfect world.

>  Maybe
> you are new to mailing lists, or maybe not, but a suggestion from a user
> that has been around the block a time or two would be to create folders
> for your various lists using your email client.  Then create filters for
> those folders so that mailing list messages are automatically deposited
> into the correct folder for you.  That way when you see email from
> Dr. Phil, you won't think you are wanted on the Opra show.
>
Fine and dandy. And with a little luck, by guess and by gosh, our budding newbie will 
indeed learn to do this. But every email client displays the subject, and you can select 
and delete all these without opening them.

> Thanks
> 
> Palace Theatre wrote:
> 
>> Actually, I haven't a clue about this problem, but
>>
>> Could the list administrator for this list PLEASE update the 
>> configuration
>> file to add some sort of identifier to the subject line of the list? 
>> or am I
>> the only subscriber who gets confused?
>>
>> prefixing something like "[majordomo-users]" to the subject would let me
>> know that this isn't spam offering me Viagra (which is what I first 
>> thought
>> when I got mail from a "Dr. Tim" regarding 'serious trouble' . . . . or
>> worse,  since my GP is also a "Dr. Tim"
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 

end

Cheers!
         Kirk D Bailey
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                              +-----+
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.


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Well I have all my majordomo-users@greatcircle.com messages in a seperate
subdir, I have a rule set up to look at the from: field as all the posts
come in from:majordomo-users@greatcircle.com

I try to find information either in the body, from, to, subject, that allows
me to filter the emails out - My spam folder is getting really big now - and
I regularly go through and add the sending IP addresses to my mail server
block list.... My spam has dropped 50% in the last 3 weeks...

Mike.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com
> [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Bailey
> Sent: 29 June 2003 01:07
> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: serious trouble.
>
>
> 1. replace verb 'ask' with verb 'CCOMMAND', under penalty of law.
> Several bills are pending. Several want to prepend something like
> [ADV] to facilitate filtering this C*** into the trashpile unread
> and unopened.
>
>
> Daniel Liston wrote:
> > How about asking the spammers to prepend their subjects with [spam] or
> > [advertisement]???  There are fields that can be filtered on besides
> > "subject:".  I have been a member of this list since 1998, and I would
> > just *HATE* it if the subject became polluted with prefixing.
>
> Although I can understand this, and even sympathize, header
> filtering leaves most
> newbies confused, and therefore it is often unimplemented.
> Subject prepending is a
> imperfect but simple and effective solution in a imperfect world.
>
> >  Maybe
> > you are new to mailing lists, or maybe not, but a suggestion from a user
> > that has been around the block a time or two would be to create folders
> > for your various lists using your email client.  Then create filters for
> > those folders so that mailing list messages are automatically deposited
> > into the correct folder for you.  That way when you see email from
> > Dr. Phil, you won't think you are wanted on the Opra show.
> >
> Fine and dandy. And with a little luck, by guess and by gosh, our
> budding newbie will
> indeed learn to do this. But every email client displays the
> subject, and you can select
> and delete all these without opening them.
>
> > Thanks
> >
> > Palace Theatre wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, I haven't a clue about this problem, but
> >>
> >> Could the list administrator for this list PLEASE update the
> >> configuration
> >> file to add some sort of identifier to the subject line of the list?
> >> or am I
> >> the only subscriber who gets confused?
> >>
> >> prefixing something like "[majordomo-users]" to the subject
> would let me
> >> know that this isn't spam offering me Viagra (which is what I first
> >> thought
> >> when I got mail from a "Dr. Tim" regarding 'serious trouble' . . . . or
> >> worse,  since my GP is also a "Dr. Tim"
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> end
>
> Cheers!
>          Kirk D Bailey
>                                think
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Hmmm, let me back up and regroup my thoughts and understanding of
your situation.

1.  You are in a university environment with a mailing list for each
course/class being offered.

2.  There is *one* majordomo-owner and *only one* owner for all the
lists in the system.  The alias for listname-owner: has the same RHS
for all listnames.

3.  The lists are only allowed to be posted to by course instructors.

4.  The lists are _NOT_ moderated by these intstructors.

5.  You want NDN (non-delivery notifications) to go to instructors
rather than the owner.  These are the MAILER-DAEMON replies with a
5xx fatal delivery code where the receiving MTA has given up and
returned the message to the sending MTA.  4xx codes are temporary,
and will be retried until the 4 day timeout before returning them
to the sender.

6.  These bounces are currently delivered to the list owner.

Items I am not clear on, are;

a.  Who subscribes the students to the mailing lists?

b.  Who maintains the memberships to those lists?

c.  Can any instructor post to any list?

d.  Is it your goal to have the intructors responsible for removal
of bad addresses from the lists they post to?

e.  Is it acceptable to post quarterly list membership reminders to
the lists?

f.  Have you considered open source or commercial tools to do the
bounce handling automatically?

Dan Liston


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Hello all,
The password my ISP gave me always comes back as invalid and because they o=
ffer Majordomo as a free service there is no tech support. This is my first=
 experience with mailing lists. Please help.
I'm sending simple administrative messages like "config list name password"=
 to majordomo@mydomain.org and it never goes through. Is it possible to ret=
rieve the correct password or set a new password without having the current=
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t.
Scott Bergler
Mountain Writers Series

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Dan, thanks for your response!

Daniel Liston wrote:

> I apologize for posting your entire message in my reply, but I will
> be inserting comments throughout.
>
>
> Michael Regoli wrote:
>
>> Got a problem with majordomo that just started happening.  For my 
>> scenario please assume Dan Liston's excellent "assumptions"  (below). 
>> These all hold true for my site, except that majordomo.cf  lives in 
>> /usr/local/majordomo.
>
>
> Unless you host mailing lists, or yours is hosted, I recommend putting
> majordomo.cf in /etc or at least creating a link there to the one in
> /usr/local/majordomo.  The perl scripts all seem to want to use this
> location by default, or at least as a alternate option to the $ENV
> for majordomo. 


We serve as a host to almost one hundred listserves.

>> System: Redhat 9. Sendmail ver 8.12.9
>
>
> You know that sendmail 8.12.x has some configuration issues we have
> not been used to with previous versions?  There is now the sendmail
> message submission program (smmsp) that must be dealt with to allow
> for majordomo lists.  Group memberships, file ownerships, and another
> configuration that must "trust" majordomo. 


Yes, we had to "trust" "majordom" in sendmail.cf and submit.cf.  All 
seems fine.

>> Majordomo is running fine, has been for several years.  Until then 
>> upgrade to Redhat9.  Suddenly my moderated lists turn down 
>> moderator-initiated unsubscription requests with the following line 
>> in /usr/local/majordomo/Log (names changed to protect the innocent):
>
>
> Considering this was all working for a long time before the OS upgrade
> which included a sendmail upgrade, you may want to focus on that area. 


Exactly!  And I discovered that in migrating to the new OS, we just used 
a copy of the previous majordomo installation, including the "wrapper" 
binary, and installed from that.  That was our big mistake, as it turns 
out that while we were passing all of our "tests", some strangeness 
showed up when running (as non-root) the wrapper "test."  ("./wrapper 
config-test" from the majordomo directory).  Specifically group and user 
IDs.

Turns out that since the GUID/UID were COMPILED INTO "wrapper"--the 
group and user IDs were from our old setup, and these IDs changed just 
slightly under RH9 to break things.   Grabbing the source, recompiling 
"wrapper" was the solution to our problem. 

>> majordomo:*:19:19:Major Domo,,,,:/usr/local/majordomo:/bin/csh
>
>
> You have a "slight" conflict of information here.  The passwd entry for
> majordomo states it's group membership to be 19 rather than 666.  I use
> 91:91 on my redhat system, just to stay matched up with the RPM.  Is it
> possible that you have two entries for majordomo in the /etc/group file?
> Side note: csh is probably not the best choice of shells for majordomo. 


That was another clue!  And I changed majordomo's shell to 
/sbin/nologin  :-)

>> p.s.  And am I the only one who feels that Majordomo 1.94.5 is adrift 
>> with no one working on it?  Dan Liston posted to the developer's list 
>> some time ago asking if it was time to "rebundle" majordomo's 
>> distribution, complete with all of the security fixes/patches.  No 
>> one replied.  Yet I would love to see a new distro, complete with all 
>> of the requisite security patches (or at the very least a LIST of the 
>> necessary patches one must apply to the 1.94.5 distribution.)
>
>
> I think the most work was done on majordomo between '92 and '93.  The
> .5 release added some cool and needed features, but still has some Y2k
> compatibility issues with digest and archive.  Those of us that still
> like to tinker, do not own majordomo or have any right to release code
> that has not been approved for distribution by the owner.
>
> There is a majordomo II project that appears to be active, and even 
> though
> the code is _STILL_ in alpha release after more than 3.5 years, claims 
> have
> been made by many users that it outperforms majordomo 1.9x considerably. 


Do you have a list of the minimum "patches" that should be made to 
1.94.5?  We're running the stock distribution of that version, yet you 
seemed to hint 
(http://www.greatcircle.com/lists/majordomo-workers/mhonarc/majordomo-workers.200304/msg00000.html) 
that there were necessary security fixes.  Did you save that list? 

Thanks again for your great advice, and help on the majordomo-users 
listserv.  Your assistance over the years has been invaluable!  --Michael


>
>
> Dan Liston




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Greetings,

    I am not sure this is a problem with sendmail or majordomo, but I need to
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    Can I correct this with-in Majordomo or is this an issue with sendmail I
need to address.

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Free service or not, if the password you were provided does not work,
it is up to your ISP to either reset it to something you choose, or
give you the correct one.

Dan Liston

Mountain Writers Series wrote:
> Hello all,
> The password my ISP gave me always comes back as invalid and because 
> they offer Majordomo as a free service there is no tech support. This is 
> my first experience with mailing lists. Please help.
> Im sending simple administrative messages like "config list name 
> password" to majordomo@mydomain.org  and 
> it never goes through. Is it possible to retrieve the correct 
> password or set a new password without having the current one? My guess 
> is no, but if anyone can offer some advice, I'd appreciate it.
> Scott Bergler
> Mountain Writers Series



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This URL should give you a starting point.
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/

If you allow user logins to your majordomo box, I do not believe there
is any patch you can apply to prevent them from being dangerous.

Dan Liston

> Do you have a list of the minimum "patches" that should be made to 
> 1.94.5?  We're running the stock distribution of that version, yet you 
> seemed to hint 
> (http://www.greatcircle.com/lists/majordomo-workers/mhonarc/majordomo-workers.200304/msg00000.html) 
> that there were necessary security fixes.  Did you save that list? 
> 
> Thanks again for your great advice, and help on the majordomo-users 
> listserv.  Your assistance over the years has been invaluable!  --Michael


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Once majordomo passes the message and the list of recipients to sendmail,
it is out of majordomo's control.  The problem must be corrected at the
MTA, sendmail.

Dan Liston

Peter P. Benac wrote:
>     If I have an address in one or more of my list that gets it's delivery
> deferred for any reason all the addresses that are lumped into sendmail queue
> with it fail to get delivered.
> 
>     Can I correct this with-in Majordomo or is this an issue with sendmail I
> need to address.


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Subject: XP / Outlook 2002 problem
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Has anyone experienced problems with Majordomo and XP/Outlook 2002?

We've got a list owner who started having problems when they upgraded to XP
& Outlook 2002.  The message is bounced to the approvals address.  If they
send the exact approved message from Windows 2000/Outlook 2000 it works.
The message is RTF.

Is there a way around this?  If more information is required, please let me
know.

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From: Daniel Liston 
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Subject: Re: XP / Outlook 2002 problem
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The RTF message is the key.  I bet the outlook 2000 client was set to
plain/text.  Outlook 2002 can also be set to plain text.  When that
happens, the messages will stop bouncing.  Have them look at the
options menu in Outlook and choose the "send" tab to select plain
text instead of html.

Dan Liston

MajorDomo Administrator, MSER:EX wrote:
> Has anyone experienced problems with Majordomo and XP/Outlook 2002?
> 
> We've got a list owner who started having problems when they upgraded to XP
> & Outlook 2002.  The message is bounced to the approvals address.  If they
> send the exact approved message from Windows 2000/Outlook 2000 it works.
> The message is RTF.
> 
> Is there a way around this?  If more information is required, please let me
> know.