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What is involved with moving a list from one server to another? What files besides the config file need to be moved?
 
Mike



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<DIV>What is involved with moving a list from one server to another? What files besides the config file need to be moved?</DIV>
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When should I do this?

-Tai

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
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> It sounds like you do not need majordomo at all.  Are you using majordomo
> for new subscriptions?  If you are managing the subscriber list manually
> like that, you can send emails to the members without using majordomo.
>
> To answer your question, the fastest way to clear out the subscriber list
> is by logging into the majordomo machine and issuing a shell command;
>
>  > /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname
>
> Dan Liston
>
> PS, the greater-than sign above is literal.
>
> Tai Tran wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I would like to know what is the best way to clear the list of
subscriber
> > email addresses after I send out an email to all the subscribers? How I
can
> > determine how much of a list is left to be sent and when it is done?
> >
> > I use Majordomo just to process my weekly newsletter, so I disabled all
the
> > features/functions of Majordomo to not allow anyone to sends,
subscribes,
> > queries, etc... to Majordomo. What I do is every week I pass the list of
all
> > the subscriber email addresses to Majordomo together with my newsletter
but
> > I don't want to leave the list of emails there, I want to clean it as
soon
> > as the mailing is complete.
> >
> > Can someone help me...? Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -Tai
>


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This depends on whether or not you are still using majordomo on the
destination/target server.  You will definately need your subscriber
file, possibly any unsent digest queues, your list archives, and the
aliases for your list.  If majordomo is in a different directory on
the new server, the aliases will need to be modified to match this
location too.

Considering the possibility for landing on a hosted server/domain,
you will probably need virtusertable entries for your list too.

Dan Liston

Michael Ault wrote:
> What is involved with moving a list from one server to another? What 
> files besides the config file need to be moved?
>  
> Mike
> 
> 
> ----------------------
> 
> Michael R. Ault
> 
> CEO Robo-Books International
> 
> www.robonerd.com <http://www.robonerd.com>
> 
> 770-754-9057 (office)
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Thanks Daniel,
 
I am still finding out if the new server has Majordomo. They haven't used the list capability so I will probably end up setting it up if it is.
 
Mike

Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org> wrote:
This depends on whether or not you are still using majordomo on the
destination/target server. You will definately need your subscriber
file, possibly any unsent digest queues, your list archives, and the
aliases for your list. If majordomo is in a different directory on
the new server, the aliases will need to be modified to match this
location too.

Considering the possibility for landing on a hosted server/domain,
you will probably need virtusertable entries for your list too.

Dan Liston

Michael Ault wrote:
> What is involved with moving a list from one server to another? What 
> files besides the config file need to be moved?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> ----------------------
> 
> Michael R. Ault
> 
> CEO Robo-Books International
> 
> www.robonerd.com 
> 
> 770-754-9057 (office)
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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<DIV>Thanks Daniel,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am still finding out if the new server has Majordomo. They haven't used the list capability so I will probably end up setting it up if it is.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Daniel Liston &lt;dliston@sonny.org&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">This depends on whether or not you are still using majordomo on the<BR>destination/target server. You will definately need your subscriber<BR>file, possibly any unsent digest queues, your list archives, and the<BR>aliases for your list. If majordomo is in a different directory on<BR>the new server, the aliases will need to be modified to match this<BR>location too.<BR><BR>Considering the possibility for landing on a hosted server/domain,<BR>you will probably need virtusertable entries for your list too.<BR><BR>Dan Liston<BR><BR>Michael Ault wrote:<BR>&gt; What is involved with moving a list from one server to another? What <BR>&gt; files besides the config file need to be moved?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Mike<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ----------------------<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Michael R. Ault<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; CEO Robo-Books International<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; www.robonerd.com <HTTP:
 www.robonerd.com><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 770-754-9057 (office)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>&gt; Do you Yahoo!?<BR>&gt; Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now <BR>&gt; <HTTP: companion.yahoo.com *http: mailtag slv us.rd.yahoo.com /><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><P>----------------------</P>
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Hi everyone,

I have installed majordomo (version 1.94.5) on my RH linux box
(version 9 which use sendmail as MTA) and I use the webmin package to
administrate the majordomo package.
I can create mail list and add members to it, but the problem is that
while the majordomo execute the commands (i.e. add a member, remove a
member, etc) it doesn't seem to be working because I do not
send/receive any emails (suscribe, approve, etc.).

I don't know what I have done wrong, please help me find out what is
wrong.

Thanks.

Below is the content that I have gathered from several files on my
server.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the /etc/aliases file:
majordomo-owner: ofall
owner-majordomo: ofall
majordomo: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
technical-support: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
technical-support technical-support-list",technical-support-ar
chive
technical-support-archive: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper
archive2.pl -f /usr/local/bin/majordomo/lists/technical-support.
archive/archive -M -a"
technical-support-list:
:include:/usr/local/bin/majordomo/lists/technical-support
owner-technical-support: ofall@antg.com
technical-support-owner: ofall@antg.com
technical-support-approval: ofall@antg.com
technical-support-request: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper
majordomo -l technical-support"

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the /usr/local/bin/majordomo/Log file:
Nov 27 17:46:30 antg.com majordomo[5749] {ofall@antg.com} approve
PASSWORD subscribe technical-support diambar@hotmail.com
Nov 27 17:46:30 antg.com majordomo[5749] {ofall@antg.com} subscribe
technical-support diambar@hotmail.com
Nov 27 18:30:50 antg.com majordomo[6038] {ofall@antg.com} approve
PASSWORD unsubscribe technical-support diambar@hotmail.com
Nov 27 18:30:50 antg.com majordomo[6038] {ofall@antg.com} unsubscribe
technical-support diambar@hotmail.com

which means that it has fisrt successfully added the
diambar@hotmail.com user, then later removed it from the
/usr/local/bin/majordomo/lists/technical-support file

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relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection
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delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=30495,
relay=mx4.hotmail.com. [65.54.167.230], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (
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mailer=relay, pri=4440117, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
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to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=2+02:17:52, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=4620126, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
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stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
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mailer=relay, pri=6510109, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 18:35:41 216-166-233-70 sendmail[6055]: hARNZfab006055:
from=<diambar@hotmail.com>, size=796, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<BAY1-F147e0PaLI9mK600000342@hotmail.com>, proto=ESMTP,
daemon=MTA, relay=bay1-f147.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.245.147]
Nov 27 19:00:50 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hARMkUHj005752:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=01:14:20, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay,
pri=210117, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection
timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:00:51 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hARKsGNW004723:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=03:06:35, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay,
pri=390129, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection
timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:29 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAPNlQbP029446:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=2+00:14:03, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=4440122, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:30 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAPMieap028932:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=2+01:16:50, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=4530117, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:33 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAPKhdO9028087:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=2+03:17:54, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=4710126, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:34 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAPJDhA3027552:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=2+04:47:51, xdelay=00:00:00,
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stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:34 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAPJcXAj027696:
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stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:50 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAONNsYD023434:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=3+00:37:56, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=6600109, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]


Omar FALL

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I would assume from the /var/log/maillog that the sendmail message
submission program is blocking the outgoing messages.

You need to start your diagnostic with the submit.cf and sendmail.cf
files.  Do they trust majordomo?  Is sendmail listening on the loop
back (localhost) address?

Dan Liston

Omar Fall wrote:

> member, etc) it doesn't seem to be working because I do not
> send/receive any emails (suscribe, approve, etc.).
> 
> I don't know what I have done wrong, please help me find out what is
> wrong.



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I asked a question about digests a couple of weeks ago that
got no responses.  Is that because digests don't work at all?
Or because few people use them?  I also tried a webhosting
forum without any responses.  So what's the story with digests
on MD?

N.

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We have a case here of a user that posts to a particular list but the 
messages don't go through all the time.   The list is not restricted, so 
anyone can post to it and there are no bounces to the owner (namely, 
me).     The message doesnt even bounce to the user, it just goes off 
into cyber-space somewhere.   We have lots of lists on the system, but 
all the others seem to work fine.

One thing I did notice was that the user sends messages with different 
"priority" levels using Netscape mail client.  Maybe thats a problem?

Any ideas?

This is Majordomo 1.94.5 with sendmail 8.11


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I found this message dated Mon, 22 May 2000 that *kinda* addresses what
seems to be a very popular question.  But doesn't finish the answer.
When commenting out the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; I get simply "John
Burton [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com]"
When modifying the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; to "print OUT "Sender:
SomeName\n"; I continue to get the dreaded "on behalf of" entry.=20
(SomeName@my-modified-address.com; on behalf of; John Burton
[john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com])
Is there a line to completely strip out the originators name/e-mail address
thereby solving completely the question?
Thanks SO much...


Quote-------------
> Is there a way to kill off the Sender: header totally from within
 > majordomo? Does majordomo generate this header or is it sendmail?
 > I dont need the Sender header in my environment basically.=20

Mike, Always! Escpecially when you have source code. Look at your resend
perl script, and comment out the line that says;
print OUT "Sender: $sender\n";=20
That should do what you are looking for. Be warned, I have not looked deeply
into the code for dependencies on this header line. If it still shows up
after modifying resend, then sendmail is doing something. Dan Liston=20
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john burton
Bach 50B3
Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra
South Charleston, West Virginia



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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">I found this message dated Mon, 22 May 2000 that *k=
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<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">When modifying the &quot;print OUT &quot;Sender: $=
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hn Burton [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com])</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Is there a line to completely strip out the origin=
ators name/e-mail address thereby solving completely the question?</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks SO much...</FONT>
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<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; Is there a way to kill off the Sender: header=
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&nbsp;&gt; majordomo? Does majordomo generate this header or is it sendmail=
?<BR>
&nbsp;&gt; I dont need the Sender header in my environment basically.<BR>
<BR>
Mike, Always! Escpecially when you have source code. Look at your resend pe=
rl script, and comment out the line that says;</FONT></P>

<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">print OUT &quot;Sender: $sender\n&quot;; </FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">That should do what you are looking for. Be warned=
, I have not looked deeply into the code for dependencies on this header li=
ne. If it still shows up after modifying resend, then sendmail is doing som=
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" FACE=3D"Arial">john burton</FONT>

<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Bach 50B3</FONT>

<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Bass Trombone, Charlest=
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All, 

My hosting company is using Majordomo 1.94.5 but it has been configured to dis-allow attachments.  It there someway for me to override this?  I would like to allow attachments to my lists.  Thanks.

-Mike

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Nelson Weiderman wrote:

> 
> I've spend the better part of a day trying to get digests to work
> on my RAQ4 without any success.  I've read the man page, the quick
> digest setup, the README.digest, and the FAQ.  I want to use the
> -digest form rather than the standalone form.  I am ignoring the
> Cobalt Admin interface and doing this with the config files.
> 
> Here are three problems that I think are relevant:
> 
> 1.  Inconsistent documentation:
> 
> In the man file it says "the archive directory will be:
> /usr/local/mail/lists/banjo-digest.archive
> 
> -- but in the quick digest setup it says --
> 
> /usr/local/mail/files/banjo-digest.archive
> 
> Which is it?  I'm suspecting that it should be the latter.

The correct location is dependent on your $filedir and $filedir_suffix
settings in the majordomo.cf file.

> 
> 2.  When trying to define the -digest config file, it is not
> clear whether you need to define the key "digest_work_directory",
> which has the ominous warning "Don't change this unless you know
> what your are doing".

Once this is defined in majordomo.cf, you should not try to set it
in the individual listname.config files.

> 
> And when I do send a newconfig with this line:
> 
> digest_work_dir     = /usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests
> 
> the config is accepted, but if I try the directory I really want:
> 
> digest_work_dir     = 
> /usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest

Almost, digest_work_dir is correct in the first instance above.  You or
a script must create the subdirectory, AND a digest archive directory.

> 
> I get:
> The new config file for list-digest was NOT accepted because:
> unknown key |/usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest|
> in file list-digest.new.config at line 169
> 
> I've even tried moving the directory to the next line, without change.
> 
> 3.  For historical reasons my list is named "list" and my list digest
> is named "list-digest".  I did not see any prohibitions on this, but
> you never know.
> 
> I've created the aliases as describe in the quick setup, and added them
> to the aliases.majordomo and executed newaliases (neither of which is
> specified in the quick setup, by the way).
> 
> To date, I cannot get any submissions to my list to go into the
> work directory.  Any help or pointers on troubleshooting this would be
> appreciated.
> 
> Nelson Weiderman

Have you seen my recipe for digests and archives posted about twice a
year to this list?  I just reposted it.

Have you tried the newlist3.pl script I wrote to automate creation of
lists, including archives and digests?  Here is the URL;

ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/0ld/newlist3.pl.gz

or the newer version, but renamed to listadd.pl
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/listadd4.pl.gz

Dan Liston


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I have Netscape 7.1 as my mail client, and set this reply to
"high" priority.  If this message disappears, you may be onto
something.

Dan Liston

Greg Dec wrote:

> 
> We have a case here of a user that posts to a particular list but the 
> messages don't go through all the time.   The list is not restricted, so 
> anyone can post to it and there are no bounces to the owner (namely, 
> me).     The message doesnt even bounce to the user, it just goes off 
> into cyber-space somewhere.   We have lots of lists on the system, but 
> all the others seem to work fine.
> 
> One thing I did notice was that the user sends messages with different 
> "priority" levels using Netscape mail client.  Maybe thats a problem?
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> This is Majordomo 1.94.5 with sendmail 8.11
> 
> 


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I grep'd all the scripts in the majordomo directory for "Sender:",
and found the string at line #387 of config-test, line #246 of
digest, and line #749 of resend.

If line #749 of resend is commented out by prefixing the line with #,
I do not see any way that majordomo can be responsible for the header
line appearing to Outlook or any other MUA.

Dan Liston

John Burton wrote:

> I found this message dated Mon, 22 May 2000 that *kinda* addresses what 
> seems to be a very popular question.  But doesn't finish the answer.
> 
> When commenting out the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; I get simply 
> "John Burton [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com]"

What do you mean by the above?  If John Burton sent the message, that
is the "From:" address.  Majordomo, or any list it manages, does not
create mail.  It must come /From/ some human.

> When modifying the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; to "print OUT 
> "Sender: SomeName\n"; I continue to get the dreaded "on behalf of" entry.

This is what "OUTLOOK" does to interpret the "Sender:" header.  IF
Sender: appears in the headers at all, Outlook will insert "on behalf of".

> 
> (SomeName@my-modified-address.com; on behalf of; John Burton 
> [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com])
> Is there a line to completely strip out the originators name/e-mail 
> address thereby solving completely the question?
> Thanks SO much...

What you are looking for is an anonymous remailer.  The only way I can
think of to make this work in majordomo is to have a moderated list,
which means all messages are processed by hand and approved with a
munged header that only the moderator can send back into the list.

Dan Liston


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You can start by setting your listname.config file to allow message
sizes larger than 40000 bytes.  If that does not work, try finding
a new provider.  Better yet, why use email or a list manager to send
a file?  Wouldn't life be MUCH easier if you just uploaded the file
to an ftp site and posted the URL to the site/file in an email?

Dan Liston

Bulk Mail wrote:

> All, 
> 
> My hosting company is using Majordomo 1.94.5 but it has been configured to dis-allow attachments.  It there someway for me to override this?  I would like to allow attachments to my lists.  Thanks.
> 
> -Mike


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Thanks Dan, for your input.  I didn't see any other way either.=20=20

My the desired goal is that messages processed thru MD show as simply "From:
ListName@HostName.Domain.

The reply feature would (obviously) point to the list vice the original
author.

Since in my particular case there would be but one author, I don't see it as
quite the "giant" issue.  Mayhaps an anonymous remailer would be a better
product for my particular mission.  Frankly, I hadn't thought of that
solution!

Thank you!  You've been a help!

Back to lurking..

~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=
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john burton
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]=20
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 2:44 AM
> To: John Burton
> Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: Removing the dreaded "On Behalf of" in MS Outlook
>=20
>=20
> I grep'd all the scripts in the majordomo directory for=20
> "Sender:", and found the string at line #387 of config-test,=20
> line #246 of digest, and line #749 of resend.
>=20
> If line #749 of resend is commented out by prefixing the line=20
> with #, I do not see any way that majordomo can be=20
> responsible for the header line appearing to Outlook or any other MUA.
>=20
> Dan Liston
>=20
> John Burton wrote:
>=20
> > I found this message dated Mon, 22 May 2000 that *kinda* addresses=20
> > what
> > seems to be a very popular question.  But doesn't finish the answer.
> >=20
> > When commenting out the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; I get simply
> > "John Burton [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com]"
>=20
> What do you mean by the above?  If John Burton sent the=20
> message, that is the "From:" address.  Majordomo, or any list=20
> it manages, does not create mail.  It must come /From/ some human.
>=20
> > When modifying the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; to "print OUT
> > "Sender: SomeName\n"; I continue to get the dreaded "on=20
> behalf of" entry.
>=20
> This is what "OUTLOOK" does to interpret the "Sender:" header.  IF
> Sender: appears in the headers at all, Outlook will insert=20
> "on behalf of".
>=20
> >=20
> > (SomeName@my-modified-address.com; on behalf of; John Burton
> > [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com])
> > Is there a line to completely strip out the originators name/e-mail=20
> > address thereby solving completely the question?
> > Thanks SO much...
>=20
> What you are looking for is an anonymous remailer.  The only=20
> way I can think of to make this work in majordomo is to have=20
> a moderated list, which means all messages are processed by=20
> hand and approved with a munged header that only the=20
> moderator can send back into the list.
>=20
> Dan Liston
>=20


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Hi,
(I'm a newbee)
I am having some problems configuring majordomo with qmail.  I'm trying to set 
up just on list but only want to have one public email address.  I'm using 
procmail to sort incoming emails (see 
http://users.pandora.be/sim/linux/mailinglist.htm ) for my notes I'm on what 
I'm doing.  My problem is that I need to set resend_host to two different 
values at the same time!

Currently $whereami is set to my own computer on the domain I call my home 
network, but unknown to the Internet.  This makes sense as all the majordomo 
mails need to be delivered locally to me and not sent to my ISP.  However, if 
a user subscribes to my group, when the welcome message is sent out it goes 
out with

Return-path: LIST@private.domain

and that is being rejected by the SMTP server of my ISP.

I've tried playing around with resend_host but that has not helped.  I suspect 
the welcome message is not sent by resend at all.  If I set $whereami to my 
ISP's domain then the welcome message goes out but the confirmation of 
subscription is sent to LIST-owner@ISP and that's not a known address.

Is there some way around this?
Sim


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Thanks, Dan and David, for your help.  But David was right about
Cobalts being "strange beasts."  For one thing there is no
majordomo user, so many of the assumptions in Dan's guide
do not pan out.  His perl script does not even recognize that MD
is installed on my server.

So unless somebody on this list has done digests for Cobalt,
I think I will abandon the project.  I don't want to risk breaking
the Cobalt interface and being unable to recover.

Thanks again,
Nelson

At 1:10 AM -0600 12/4/03, Daniel Liston wrote:
>Nelson Weiderman wrote:
>
>>
>>I've spend the better part of a day trying to get digests to work
>>on my RAQ4 without any success.  I've read the man page, the quick
>>digest setup, the README.digest, and the FAQ.  I want to use the
>>-digest form rather than the standalone form.  I am ignoring the
>>Cobalt Admin interface and doing this with the config files.
>>
>>Here are three problems that I think are relevant:
>>
>>1.  Inconsistent documentation:
>>
>>In the man file it says "the archive directory will be:
>>/usr/local/mail/lists/banjo-digest.archive
>>
>>-- but in the quick digest setup it says --
>>
>>/usr/local/mail/files/banjo-digest.archive
>>
>>Which is it?  I'm suspecting that it should be the latter.
>
>The correct location is dependent on your $filedir and $filedir_suffix
>settings in the majordomo.cf file.
>
>>
>>2.  When trying to define the -digest config file, it is not
>>clear whether you need to define the key "digest_work_directory",
>>which has the ominous warning "Don't change this unless you know
>>what your are doing".
>
>Once this is defined in majordomo.cf, you should not try to set it
>in the individual listname.config files.
>
>>
>>And when I do send a newconfig with this line:
>>
>>digest_work_dir     = /usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests
>>
>>the config is accepted, but if I try the directory I really want:
>>
>>digest_work_dir     = 
>>/usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest
>
>Almost, digest_work_dir is correct in the first instance above.  You or
>a script must create the subdirectory, AND a digest archive directory.
>
>>
>>I get:
>>The new config file for list-digest was NOT accepted because:
>>unknown key |/usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest|
>>in file list-digest.new.config at line 169
>>
>>I've even tried moving the directory to the next line, without change.
>>
>>3.  For historical reasons my list is named "list" and my list digest
>>is named "list-digest".  I did not see any prohibitions on this, but
>>you never know.
>>
>>I've created the aliases as describe in the quick setup, and added them
>>to the aliases.majordomo and executed newaliases (neither of which is
>>specified in the quick setup, by the way).
>>
>>To date, I cannot get any submissions to my list to go into the
>>work directory.  Any help or pointers on troubleshooting this would be
>>appreciated.
>>
>>Nelson Weiderman
>
>Have you seen my recipe for digests and archives posted about twice a
>year to this list?  I just reposted it.
>
>Have you tried the newlist3.pl script I wrote to automate creation of
>lists, including archives and digests?  Here is the URL;
>
>ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/0ld/newlist3.pl.gz
>
>or the newer version, but renamed to listadd.pl
>ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/listadd4.pl.gz
>
>Dan Liston


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If majordomo is in /usr/local/majordomo, try grep'ing
the /etc/passwd file for that directory to find the
majordomo user.  I am working on a new version of my
script that also does this.

Based on the $digest_work_dir, $filedir, and
$filedir_suffix, as well as ownerships and permissions
on files in the majordomo and lists directories, I am
sure we can discover the requirements to make digests
work.

As far as the interface goes. I have heard of people
successfully managing majordomo with webmin, but have
never personally done anything majordomo related through
any interface other than the unix shell prompt.

Dan Liston

Nelson Weiderman wrote:

> 
> Thanks, Dan and David, for your help.  But David was right about
> Cobalts being "strange beasts."  For one thing there is no
> majordomo user, so many of the assumptions in Dan's guide
> do not pan out.  His perl script does not even recognize that MD
> is installed on my server.
> 
> So unless somebody on this list has done digests for Cobalt,
> I think I will abandon the project.  I don't want to risk breaking
> the Cobalt interface and being unable to recover.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Nelson
> 
> At 1:10 AM -0600 12/4/03, Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
>> Nelson Weiderman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've spend the better part of a day trying to get digests to work
>>> on my RAQ4 without any success.  I've read the man page, the quick
>>> digest setup, the README.digest, and the FAQ.  I want to use the
>>> -digest form rather than the standalone form.  I am ignoring the
>>> Cobalt Admin interface and doing this with the config files.
>>>
>>> Here are three problems that I think are relevant:
>>>
>>> 1.  Inconsistent documentation:
>>>
>>> In the man file it says "the archive directory will be:
>>> /usr/local/mail/lists/banjo-digest.archive
>>>
>>> -- but in the quick digest setup it says --
>>>
>>> /usr/local/mail/files/banjo-digest.archive
>>>
>>> Which is it?  I'm suspecting that it should be the latter.
>>
>>
>> The correct location is dependent on your $filedir and $filedir_suffix
>> settings in the majordomo.cf file.
>>
>>>
>>> 2.  When trying to define the -digest config file, it is not
>>> clear whether you need to define the key "digest_work_directory",
>>> which has the ominous warning "Don't change this unless you know
>>> what your are doing".
>>
>>
>> Once this is defined in majordomo.cf, you should not try to set it
>> in the individual listname.config files.
>>
>>>
>>> And when I do send a newconfig with this line:
>>>
>>> digest_work_dir     = /usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests
>>>
>>> the config is accepted, but if I try the directory I really want:
>>>
>>> digest_work_dir     = 
>>> /usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest
>>
>>
>> Almost, digest_work_dir is correct in the first instance above.  You or
>> a script must create the subdirectory, AND a digest archive directory.
>>
>>>
>>> I get:
>>> The new config file for list-digest was NOT accepted because:
>>> unknown key 
>>> |/usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest|
>>> in file list-digest.new.config at line 169
>>>
>>> I've even tried moving the directory to the next line, without change.
>>>
>>> 3.  For historical reasons my list is named "list" and my list digest
>>> is named "list-digest".  I did not see any prohibitions on this, but
>>> you never know.
>>>
>>> I've created the aliases as describe in the quick setup, and added them
>>> to the aliases.majordomo and executed newaliases (neither of which is
>>> specified in the quick setup, by the way).
>>>
>>> To date, I cannot get any submissions to my list to go into the
>>> work directory.  Any help or pointers on troubleshooting this would be
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Nelson Weiderman
>>
>>
>> Have you seen my recipe for digests and archives posted about twice a
>> year to this list?  I just reposted it.
>>
>> Have you tried the newlist3.pl script I wrote to automate creation of
>> lists, including archives and digests?  Here is the URL;
>>
>> ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/0ld/newlist3.pl.gz
>>
>> or the newer version, but renamed to listadd.pl
>> ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/listadd4.pl.gz
>>
>> Dan Liston


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I am having a problem with Majordomo not liking capital letters in group
names.
Has anyone run into this before ?

Thanks

Bob

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The names may be capital in the aliases file, but on the disk file system
they must be lower case.

Dan Liston

Bob MacMunn wrote:

> I am having a problem with Majordomo not liking capital letters in group
> names.
> Has anyone run into this before ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bob


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On Friday 05 December 2003 06:20 pm, Daniel Liston wrote:
> The names may be capital in the aliases file, but on the disk file system
> they must be lower case.
>
> Dan Liston
>
> Bob MacMunn wrote:
> > I am having a problem with Majordomo not liking capital letters in group
> > names.
> > Has anyone run into this before ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bob

I was curious about the CAPS would you mind explaining the aliases files 
versus the disk file system?

Thanks,

-- 
Jack Gates
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Greenville, SC 29607
www.morningstarwebservices.net

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Jack Gates wrote:
> On Friday 05 December 2003 06:20 pm, Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
>>The names may be capital in the aliases file, but on the disk file system
>>they must be lower case.
> 
> I was curious about the CAPS would you mind explaining the aliases files 
> versus the disk file system?
> 
> Thanks,
> 

Email addresses are to be case insensitive, so CAPS = caps = CaPs, etc.
The left hand side in the aliases file is an email address.  Since unix
files ARE case sensitive, CAPS != caps != CaPs.  In order to allow for
mis-capitolized email addresses, the address and the files are all
handled as lower case.

Dan Liston


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I have had a look at submit.cf and sendmail.cf and they both trust 
majordomo. Sendmail is also listening on the 127.0.0.1 ip address.

I still can't get majordomo working. Any help?

- Omar FALL -

----Original Message Follows----
From: Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org>
To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Majordomo/Sendmail Problem: cannot send mails
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:15:38 -0600

I would assume from the /var/log/maillog that the sendmail message
submission program is blocking the outgoing messages.

You need to start your diagnostic with the submit.cf and sendmail.cf
files.  Do they trust majordomo?  Is sendmail listening on the loop
back (localhost) address?

Dan Liston

Omar Fall wrote:

>member, etc) it doesn't seem to be working because I do not
>send/receive any emails (suscribe, approve, etc.).
>
>I don't know what I have done wrong, please help me find out what is
>wrong.

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Hi all

I am absolutely new as far as Majordomo is concerned.

I have rented two webhotels that run Majordomo (v. 1.95 and 1.94
respectively), and I have set up one mailinglist. It's pretty
easy to manage the basics, and the list is running.

I have found the Majordomo homepage, I have skimmed the README
file and the FAQ. I looked at the archives and checked out some
of the threads that sounded relevant judged by their subject.

I did not find what I was looking for though.

I do not run Majordomo myself, and it seems that all the
questions and answers are concerned with people managing their
own server.

I would like to know if I am able to send a message to
Majordomo@<myowndomain> with proper comands and password and
thereby change the way the maillist works.

I have received a copy of a config file, and by a few experiments
I managed to work out how to get one more - and that's about it.

If I could get the recipe on how to change maxlength (with which
I can make pretty harmless experiments), then I think I can work
out the rest by myself.

If someone knows how I can make Majordomo automatically put the
list address in the To:-field when one responds to a message, I
wouldn't mind. I know how to use Reply To All - but that sends an
e-mail copy to the writer as well, and that is A Bad Thing.

Regards
Bertel


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Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

>Hi all
>
>I am absolutely new as far as Majordomo is concerned.
>
>I have rented two webhotels that run Majordomo (v. 1.95 and 1.94
>respectively), 
>

There is no version 1.95.

>and I have set up one mailinglist. It's pretty
>easy to manage the basics, and the list is running.
>  
>

I have no idea what a "webhotel" is, but I assume it's a leased site on 
someone else's server that acts a little like a dedicated server.

>I do not run Majordomo myself, and it seems that all the
>questions and answers are concerned with people managing their
>own server.
>  
>

What you need to understand is that, once Majordomo is installed on a 
server by a hosting company, it is likely to be at least somewhat 
tailored for that company's server configuration.

Many of them disable features, or change the way they are configured.  
Others use versions such as the built-in one on Cobalt servers that have 
functionality disabled.

Majordomo is documented for server owners because they are the only ones 
you can guarantee have actually seen Majordomo.

The only people who know how Majordomo works on the servers you're 
renting is your "hoteliers."  If they can't tell you, it's time to find 
another one.


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That's the problem. For that one domain, the only debug file generated is
for mj_shell. I've installed Mj2 on six domains now (and I've got it down to
about 25 minutes from start to finish). No problems on any of the others. I
don't really need it on the problem domain so I haven't spent any more time
with it.

I appreciate your trying to help.

I did prepare a "How To" for these Ensim Webppliance Pro installations. I've
posted it in the Ensim support forums, but anyone who wants it is welcome to
a text file. Just let me know.

-- Dean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk@queernet.org>
To: "Dean Mail" <deansmail@complanners.com>
Cc: "Majordomo Users" <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [majordomo-users] Okay one more Mj2 question


Dean Mail wrote:

>Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: "Check the mj_*.debug files in the Majordomo temp
>directory."
>
>Thanks, Roger.
>
>I deleted everything and tried again. In the mj_shell.debug file, there's
no
>indication of any errors and the last entries are:
>
>[20936].-----Calling destructors-----
>[20936]Majordomo Shell client - Sat Nov 29 19:57:53 2003..done, took 1.000
>sec
>
>Still, no web interface.
>
>

The mj_shell file will only contain info on mj_shell.  The werb uses
mj_wwwusr, mj_wwwadm, and mj_wwwconfirm.  What do their log files say?

You may need to edit either the aliases or the program themselves to
step up the debug level.



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To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
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How would I go about using more than one directory to store the individual
list files. I would like it to look like this.
when I try to do this and I put the proper stuff in the aliases file.
Majordomo does not see the lists.
Is there a problem of doing it this way or is there a better way to do it
when you have a server with a whole lot of web hosting customers on it. I
would like to keep each one separated.


/var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com
                        /domian2.com
                        /domain3.com



owner-mylist:  rkurth@direcphp.com,nobody
mylist: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend
@/var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com/mylist.resend"
mylist-approval: owner-mylist
mylist-doit: :include: /var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com/mylist
owner-mylist-doit: owner-mylist
mylist-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer mylist"
owner-mylis-request: owner-mylist



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One way that I have addressed this in my newlist3 or addlist4 scripts is 
to have a separate
data directory ($datadir) defined in a separate majordomo.cf for each 
domain.  These .cf
files are then used in the aliases for the hosted domains.

ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/newlist3.pl.gz
or
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/listadd4.pl.gz

Dan Liston

Richard Kurth wrote:

>How would I go about using more than one directory to store the individual
>list files. I would like it to look like this.
>when I try to do this and I put the proper stuff in the aliases file.
>Majordomo does not see the lists.
>Is there a problem of doing it this way or is there a better way to do it
>when you have a server with a whole lot of web hosting customers on it. I
>would like to keep each one separated.
>
>
>/var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com
>                        /domian2.com
>                        /domain3.com
>
>
>
>owner-mylist:  rkurth@direcphp.com,nobody
>mylist: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend
>@/var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com/mylist.resend"
>mylist-approval: owner-mylist
>mylist-doit: :include: /var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com/mylist
>owner-mylist-doit: owner-mylist
>mylist-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer mylist"
>owner-mylis-request: owner-mylist
>
>  
>


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Dan (since he wrote the script)

I have been trying to utilize your script on my server (Sun Sparc 20
solaris 8) and I keep running into errors. I don't know if they are
errors in my setup or if I need to change the script. (I'm very new to
perl)

First:
I get this message every time I run the script. 
>Your data and home directories are the same.  This may cause
>conflict between the digest command and it's work directory.

I don't know what directories it is referring to. I assume datadir is
/path/to/majordomo/lists and home is /path/to/majordomo/

Second:
Using virtual hosts I get the following complaint.
>Now creating files and directories for beeno.
>cannot open $homedir/z-oliteinc.com/majordomo.cf for write.

I don't know the path of $homedir to figure this out. (First issue
above).

Third:
Without using virtual hosts I get the following:
>A list will be created as beeno@gvturf.com
>This list will try to use $homedir for data.
>cannot open dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo for read.

I can type: more /etc/mail/majordomo and see the file so I see no reason
for it to complain.

Any help would be appreciated, since I would like to use this script.

--Casey Hatch
President: Z-Olite Inc.
phone: 435.563.1460
web: www.z-oliteinc.com
:wq (A little vi humour for all y'all)

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Hey,

Is there a way to "shut off" the fixed width of messages that go through
Majordomo? Longer URLs get wrapped to the next line and are broken. Even
when I put in the message that users may need to copy/paste the URL in the
browser, they don't always understand it.

Your reply is greatly appreciated 

Thanks,


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Casey Hatch wrote:

>Dan (since he wrote the script)
>
>I have been trying to utilize your script on my server (Sun Sparc 20
>solaris 8) and I keep running into errors. I don't know if they are
>errors in my setup or if I need to change the script. (I'm very new to
>perl)
>
>First:
>I get this message every time I run the script. 
>  
>
>>Your data and home directories are the same.  This may cause
>>conflict between the digest command and it's work directory.
>>    
>>

This message is just a warning, that unless your majordomo.cf file has a 
plural setting
for the $digest_work_dir, that there is already an executable file in 
the majordomo
directory called digest.

>
>I don't know what directories it is referring to. I assume datadir is
>/path/to/majordomo/lists and home is /path/to/majordomo/
>
>Second:
>Using virtual hosts I get the following complaint.
>  
>
>>Now creating files and directories for beeno.
>>cannot open $homedir/z-oliteinc.com/majordomo.cf for write.
>>    
>>
This one is more of a problem.  I will examine the listadd4.pl, but if I 
recall, the $homedir
should have been expanded to the actual directory name.  This setting 
should be read from
either the /etc/passwd file or the /etc/majordomo.cf file.

>I don't know the path of $homedir to figure this out. (First issue
>above).
>
>Third:
>Without using virtual hosts I get the following:
>  
>
>>A list will be created as beeno@gvturf.com
>>This list will try to use $homedir for data.
>>cannot open dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo for read.
>>    
>>
The script makes a call to the "newaliases" command to create the 
aliases or majordomo db
files.  What version of sendmail are you running?  Is 
/etc/mail/majordomo listed in the
sendmail.cf file as an aliases file?  Is this file in /etc/mail/ owned 
and grouped by root?

>
>I can type: more /etc/mail/majordomo and see the file so I see no reason
>for it to complain.
>
>Any help would be appreciated, since I would like to use this script.
>
>--Casey Hatch
>President: Z-Olite Inc.
>phone: 435.563.1460
>web: www.z-oliteinc.com
>:wq (A little vi humour for all y'all)
>  
>


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Dan,

I don't remember what sendmail I have.  I haven't upgraded from the Solaris
8 install.  How would I find out the version number? 

Here is the alias in my sendmail.cf
	# location of alias file
	O AliasFile=dbm:/etc/mail/aliases,dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo

These are the majordomo ownership and permissions of /etc/mail/majordomo
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       6208 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       4096 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.dir
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       8192 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.pag

Did I miss anything?

--Casey Hatch

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:05:48PM -0600, Daniel Liston wrote:
> Casey Hatch wrote:
> 
> >Dan (since he wrote the script)
> >
> >I have been trying to utilize your script on my server (Sun Sparc 20
> >solaris 8) and I keep running into errors. I don't know if they are
> >errors in my setup or if I need to change the script. (I'm very new to
> >perl)
> >
> >First:
> >I get this message every time I run the script. 
> > 
> >
> >>Your data and home directories are the same.  This may cause
> >>conflict between the digest command and it's work directory.
> >>   
> >>
> 
> This message is just a warning, that unless your majordomo.cf file has a 
> plural setting
> for the $digest_work_dir, that there is already an executable file in 
> the majordomo
> directory called digest.
> 
> >
> >I don't know what directories it is referring to. I assume datadir is
> >/path/to/majordomo/lists and home is /path/to/majordomo/
> >
> >Second:
> >Using virtual hosts I get the following complaint.
> > 
> >
> >>Now creating files and directories for beeno.
> >>cannot open $homedir/z-oliteinc.com/majordomo.cf for write.
> >>   
> >>
> This one is more of a problem.  I will examine the listadd4.pl, but if I 
> recall, the $homedir
> should have been expanded to the actual directory name.  This setting 
> should be read from
> either the /etc/passwd file or the /etc/majordomo.cf file.
> 
> >I don't know the path of $homedir to figure this out. (First issue
> >above).
> >
> >Third:
> >Without using virtual hosts I get the following:
> > 
> >
> >>A list will be created as beeno@gvturf.com
> >>This list will try to use $homedir for data.
> >>cannot open dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo for read.
> >>   
> >>
> The script makes a call to the "newaliases" command to create the 
> aliases or majordomo db
> files.  What version of sendmail are you running?  Is 
> /etc/mail/majordomo listed in the
> sendmail.cf file as an aliases file?  Is this file in /etc/mail/ owned 
> and grouped by root?
> 
> >
> >I can type: more /etc/mail/majordomo and see the file so I see no reason
> >for it to complain.
> >
> >Any help would be appreciated, since I would like to use this script.
> >
> >--Casey Hatch
> >President: Z-Olite Inc.
> >phone: 435.563.1460
> >web: www.z-oliteinc.com
> >:wq (A little vi humour for all y'all)
> > 
> >
> 

-- 
--Casey Hatch
President: Z-Olite Inc.
phone: 435.563.1460
web: www.z-oliteinc.com

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Casey Hatch wrote:

> Dan,
> 
> I don't remember what sendmail I have.  I haven't upgraded from the Solaris
> 8 install.  How would I find out the version number? 

Probably 8.9.3, but
/usr/lib/sendmail -d0
should do it.  You will have to ctrl-c to exit though.

> 
> Here is the alias in my sendmail.cf
> 	# location of alias file
> 	O AliasFile=dbm:/etc/mail/aliases,dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo

I do not think you are supposed to prefix the filenames with the "dbm:"
specifier.  I am positive this is what is biting you in item three.
I will keep this in mind for my next revision of the script. I should
have commented on this in my first reply.

> 
> These are the majordomo ownership and permissions of /etc/mail/majordomo
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     other       6208 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     other       4096 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.dir
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     other       8192 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.pag
> 
> Did I miss anything?

Do the majordomo* files have the same ownership and permission as
the /etc/mail/aliases* files?


>>>I have been trying to utilize your script on my server (Sun Sparc 20
>>>solaris 8) and I keep running into errors. I don't know if they are
>>>errors in my setup or if I need to change the script. (I'm very new to
>>>perl)

I have a newer version of the script, that I have not posted yet.  I am
hoping to have it out by Xmas or NewYear.  If you do not mind testing,
I can send it to you earlier.

[snip warning message]

>>>>Now creating files and directories for beeno.
>>>>cannot open $homedir/z-oliteinc.com/majordomo.cf for write.
>>>>  
>>>>
>>
>>This one is more of a problem.  I will examine the listadd4.pl, but if I 
>>recall, the $homedir
>>should have been expanded to the actual directory name.  This setting 
>>should be read from
>>either the /etc/passwd file or the /etc/majordomo.cf file.

Should be solved with newer script.

>>
>>
>>>I don't know the path of $homedir to figure this out. (First issue
>>>above).

$homedir is defined in majordomo.cf and should match the home directory
defined in the /etc/passwd file for the majordomo user.

>>>
>>>Third:
>>>Without using virtual hosts I get the following:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>A list will be created as beeno@gvturf.com
>>>>This list will try to use $homedir for data.
>>>>cannot open dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo for read.
>>>>  
>>>>
>>
>>The script makes a call to the "newaliases" command to create the 
>>aliases or majordomo db
>>files.  What version of sendmail are you running?  Is 
>>/etc/mail/majordomo listed in the
>>sendmail.cf file as an aliases file?  Is this file in /etc/mail/ owned 
>>and grouped by root?



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On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 04:32:24PM -0600, Daniel Liston wrote:
> Casey Hatch wrote:
> 
> >Dan,
> >
> >I don't remember what sendmail I have.  I haven't upgraded from the Solaris
> >8 install.  How would I find out the version number? 
> 
> Probably 8.9.3, but
> /usr/lib/sendmail -d0
> should do it.  You will have to ctrl-c to exit though.

Okay, here is the sendmail version number:
Version 8.11.6+Sun

I guess I did patch it.  My memory's not as good as it used to be...

> >Here is the alias in my sendmail.cf
> >	# location of alias file
> >	O AliasFile=dbm:/etc/mail/aliases,dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo
> 
> I do not think you are supposed to prefix the filenames with the "dbm:"
> specifier.  I am positive this is what is biting you in item three.
> I will keep this in mind for my next revision of the script. I should
> have commented on this in my first reply.

Hmmm...So should I try removing dbm from the alias? I just copied that
line from a friends sendmail.cf, on a similar machine.  It seemed to work 
though.

> >These are the majordomo ownership and permissions of /etc/mail/majordomo
> >-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       6208 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo
> >-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       4096 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.dir
> >-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       8192 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.pag
> >
> >Did I miss anything?
> 
> Do the majordomo* files have the same ownership and permission as
> the /etc/mail/aliases* files?

They do now.  :)
I changed the majordomo* files group permissions to match the aliases
file.

> >>>I have been trying to utilize your script on my server (Sun Sparc 20
> >>>solaris 8) and I keep running into errors. I don't know if they are
> >>>errors in my setup or if I need to change the script. (I'm very new to
> >>>perl)
> 
> I have a newer version of the script, that I have not posted yet.  I am
> hoping to have it out by Xmas or NewYear.  If you do not mind testing,
> I can send it to you earlier.
> 
> [snip warning message]

That would be fine.

Thanks for the help. Testing a script on my machine should find bugs if
there are any. (Bugs on my machine that is.)

--snip--

--Casey Hatch
President: Z-Olite Inc.
phone: 435.563.1460
web: www.z-oliteinc.com

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	 was here a year or so ago asking about getting majordomo installed and 
running on a *nix server that users cPanel.  I was not able to find anyone 
who was able to help me to get this running at that time.  I am hoping that 
by now someone (one of you who is vastly better than I am at this sort of 
thing) has been able to successfully accomplish this.  Do any of you know 
of a place that can outline how to install majordomo on a cPanel box?  I 
REALLY despise the list software that they use and would very much like to 
install and run majordomo even if it all has to be done manually.


Thanks,
DB



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Hi,  I have developed problems with majordomo, on a RAQ4

about 450 subscribers to the list.  Many are part of the nhs.uk domain
with strict security policies so many bounces etc.

Today I noticed this to the list owner mailbox... which contained the
greatly snipped details below.

Whilst I sort of understand the gist of the info I can't tell if the
problem is local or nhs.uk refusing such a large influx of messages from
a single domain (as an anti-spam measure)

Any info as to the problem, and more importantly the solution!

Many thanks

Tim


(Since posting this to the cobalt-users list, I have tried adding
maxaddrs=20 to the config file for the list without effect, and looked
at sendmail without benefit so far...)



The original message was received at Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:22:47 GMT
from mail@localhost

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
aaa.bbb@subdomain.nhs.uk
(reason: 552 too many recipients)
(expanded from:
:include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list)
bbb.ccc@subdomain.nhs.uk
(reason: 552 too many recipients)
(expanded from:
:include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list)

Snipped duplication

----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 5.1.1 /usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list: line
63: Mailing... User unknown
.... while talking to mail.nhs.uk.:
 >>> RCPT To:<xxx@subdomain2.nhs.uk>
<<< 552 too many recipients
554 5.0.0 ccc@subdomain.nhs.uk... Service unavailable
 >>> RCPT To:<zzzl@subdomain3.nhs.uk>
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554 5.0.0 bbb@subdomian.nhs.uk... Service unavailable


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Hello all,

everything worked really fine with my majordomo installation and
lists until my ISP decided it was time for new server hardware ...
now, I am encountering all kinds of trouble after my ISP has moved my
website and associated majordomo lists to a Cobalt Server  and its
pre-installed "majordomo" version ....  such as :

- the various majordomo aliases don't seem to work right
..(listname-owner,
   listname-request, etc)
- instead of the domain name after the @, the actual server
  designation is put into mails from the majordomo lists, resulting
in 
  error messages with reply to mails which are going to a supposedly
  "unknown" address
-- etc, etc ......

Has anyone had trouble with the pre-installed majordomo version on
this type of Sun Cobalt server rack If so, what did you do to solve
the problems?

Thanks for your patience wth me and any helpful advice.

Wolfgang







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"too many recipients" is the clue.  The maxaddrs=20 is not a setting
in a majordomo 1.94.x list config file that I am aware of.  This is
a possible setting in some MTA config files though.  This problem
needs to be addressed at your MTA, not majordomo.  However, you can
attack this problem via the "-outgoing" alias for your list by using
tlb or bulk_mailer.

Dan Liston

Tim Walter wrote:
> 
> Hi,  I have developed problems with majordomo, on a RAQ4
> 
> about 450 subscribers to the list.  Many are part of the nhs.uk domain
> with strict security policies so many bounces etc.
> 
> Today I noticed this to the list owner mailbox... which contained the
> greatly snipped details below.
> 
> Whilst I sort of understand the gist of the info I can't tell if the
> problem is local or nhs.uk refusing such a large influx of messages from
> a single domain (as an anti-spam measure)
> 
> Any info as to the problem, and more importantly the solution!
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> (Since posting this to the cobalt-users list, I have tried adding
> maxaddrs=20 to the config file for the list without effect, and looked
> at sendmail without benefit so far...)
> 
> 
> 
> The original message was received at Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:22:47 GMT
> from mail@localhost
> 
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> aaa.bbb@subdomain.nhs.uk
> (reason: 552 too many recipients)
> (expanded from:
> :include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list)
> bbb.ccc@subdomain.nhs.uk
> (reason: 552 too many recipients)
> (expanded from:
> :include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list)
> 
> Snipped duplication
> 
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 550 5.1.1 /usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list: line
> 63: Mailing... User unknown
> .... while talking to mail.nhs.uk.:
>  >>> RCPT To:<xxx@subdomain2.nhs.uk>
> <<< 552 too many recipients
> 554 5.0.0 ccc@subdomain.nhs.uk... Service unavailable
>  >>> RCPT To:<zzzl@subdomain3.nhs.uk>
> <<< 552 too many recipients
> 554 5.0.0 bbb@subdomian.nhs.uk... Service unavailable
> 
> 
> Snipped duplication
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:23:30 GMT
> 
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> 
> 
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From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sun Dec 14 18:11:44 2003
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Subject: Re: Sun Cobalt server / majordomo
References: <20031214204508.4FA4939F37@smtp2.netcologne.de>
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If you do not need or use the cobalt interface for creating your
lists, and you have full control of the aliases, virtusertable,
and other sendmail related files, I think I might be able to offer
a solution.  Right now, Nelson and I have been working through
some issues he is also having with the default majordomo install
on cobalt, in regards to digests.  Otherwise, if you do use the
interface provided to create your majordomo lists, they tend to
work quite well.

Dan Liston

Wolfgang Schneider wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> everything worked really fine with my majordomo installation and
> lists until my ISP decided it was time for new server hardware ...
> now, I am encountering all kinds of trouble after my ISP has moved my
> website and associated majordomo lists to a Cobalt Server  and its
> pre-installed "majordomo" version ....  such as :
> 
> - the various majordomo aliases don't seem to work right
> ..(listname-owner,
>    listname-request, etc)
> - instead of the domain name after the @, the actual server
>   designation is put into mails from the majordomo lists, resulting
> in 
>   error messages with reply to mails which are going to a supposedly
>   "unknown" address
> -- etc, etc ......
> 
> Has anyone had trouble with the pre-installed majordomo version on
> this type of Sun Cobalt server rack If so, what did you do to solve
> the problems?
> 
> Thanks for your patience wth me and any helpful advice.
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Hello there!

http://www.conveyanced.com/MajorCool/Docs/prereq.htm  says
----------
Although "root" access is not mandatory, it helps considerably. At 
the minimum, write access to the Majordomo $homedir and the 
/cgi-bin/ directory of the Webserver is required.
----------

Unfortunately I cannot find any informations about how to install 
MajorCool without root access. My hoster ist very co-operative, but 
cannot give me root-access.

Is there anyone with experiences in that?

Thanks for hints,

  Boris



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Dear all

I've looked through the FAQs and the documentation and could not figure how
to solve this one, or even if there is anything I can do about it.

I've started receiving this from one particular server in my owner account:

"This is an automated response.
This message you sent to an account at <polylog.org> has been blocked since
it was sent as BCC (Blind Carbon Copy).
If you want to contact us please do not use BCC.
Instead, send an email directly to the address you wish to contact (To or
CC)."

Is there a way to solve this problem on my side, or do I have to email the
email manager of this server? Thanks in advance, and please remember I'm a
complete rookie in this.

Cheers,

Desi



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Desiderio Murcho wrote:

>Is there a way to solve this problem on my side, or do I have to email the
>email manager of this server? Thanks in advance, and please remember I'm a
>complete rookie in this.
>  
>


They've configured their server in a way that will make just about every 
list server, from Yahoo and MSN on down, fail -- very few list 
configurations write a separate copy for each subscriber and put their 
address in a header (and shouldn't -- the author didn't send it to the 
person, but to the list).  Write the administrator at the other end, and 
if he doesn't budge, advise the user that his site is deliberately 
configured not to accept lists and he needs to get an email account 
elsewhere.


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I've recently encountered a problem where a misconfigured email server
of a list member was directing list emails back to the list, causing a
mail loop.

The emails were keeping the original headers, so my thought to prevent
this is to add a custom header to the list, and check for the custom
header - for example in taboo-headers.

My question is, does anyone know of any patches to majordomo to do this
automatically, without having to edit each config file, and also without
each looped message being bounced for approval.

Note: because with every pass through the majordomo server another set
of headers was added, the recursive email was eventually stopped
somewhere along the line because of the excessive number of Received
headers.

Thanks,

Andy Beverley



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How I find Majorcool?
You can help me?



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Try

http://www.conveyanced.com/MajorCool/majorcool.tar.gz

On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 19:10, Euler Ricardo Rodrigues Ribeiro wrote:
> How I find Majorcool?
> You can help me?
> 
> 


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When I send a message to a list, I get the following message back from the
list owner:
--


MAJORDOMO WARNING (mj_resend)!!

open of temp file '/home/majordom/lists/shlock.31496' failed: Permission
denied


Sendmail runs as uid daemon and gid smmsp, so it does have write permissions
in /home/majordom/lists/.


My majordomo home directory looks like this:
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail         5454 Jul  3 15:48 archive2.pl
drwxrwxrwx    2 majordom mail         4096 Nov 20  2002 bin
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail         2899 Jul  3 15:48 bounce-remind
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail           26 Sep 26 08:15 checkmajordomo.sh
-rw-rwxrwx    2 majordom mail        52641 Jul  3 15:48 config_parse.pl
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail        11088 Jul  3 15:48 config-test
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail        14703 Jul  3 15:48 digest
drwxrw----    3 majordom smmsp        4096 Dec 16 15:34 lists
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail       115050 Dec 18 16:32 Log
drwxrwxrwx    2 majordom mail         4096 Mar  4  2003 mail
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail        64471 Dec 16 14:07 majordomo
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail        64461 Jun 30 14:22 majordomo2
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail        10844 Nov 22  2002 majordomo.cf
-rw-rwxrwx    2 majordom mail        25209 Jul  3 15:48 majordomo.pl
drwxrwxrwx    6 majordom mail         4096 Nov 21  2002 majordomo-src
-rw-rwxrwx    2 majordom mail          142 Jul  3 15:48 majordomo_version.pl
drwxrwxrwx    4 majordom mail         4096 Nov 18  2002 man
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail        29108 Jul 10 15:26 mbox
drwxrwxrwx    2 majordom mail         4096 Mar 14  2003 nsmail
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail         3935 Jul  3 15:48 request-answer
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail        30896 Dec  2 16:31 resend
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail        10778 Jul  3 15:48 sample.cf
-rw-r--r--    1 majordom smmsp        1431 Dec 16 13:35 sendmail.log
-rwxrwxrwx    2 daemon   mail         8412 Nov 21 10:47 shlock.pl
drwxrwxrwx    2 majordom mail         4096 Nov 21  2002 Tools
-rw-rwxrwx    1 majordom mail        16787 Jul  3 15:48 wrapper

And the lists directory:
drw-rw----    2 daemon   smmsp        4096 Jan 17  2003 archive
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp       16504 Sep 29 10:57 archive.config
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp         782 Dec 19  2002 convention
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp       16518 Jan  9  2003 convention.config
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp          21 Jul  9 10:45 it
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp          21 Nov 21  2002 it.allowed_senders
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp           0 Nov 20  2002 it.auto
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp       16477 Nov 21  2002 it.config
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp          46 Nov 20  2002 it.info
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp           9 Nov 20  2002 it.passwd
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp           0 Dec 16 14:56 jokes
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp       16493 Dec  3  2002 jokes.config
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp          34 Dec  3  2002 jokes.info
-rw-rw----    1 daemon   smmsp       16482 Dec  2 16:48 list.config

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The .config file for one of the lists has an item called archive_dir.  The =
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true.  How would one archive the emails on the list?


        # archive_dir          [absolute_dir] (undef) <majordomo>
        # The directory where the mailing list archive is kept. This item
        # does not currently work. Leave it blank.
archive_dir         =3D




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You can archive lists by using an archive program as one of the addresses.
You would have aliases like

my-list: "|/path/to/your/majordomo/wrapper resend -l [...]"
my-list-archive:  "|/path/to/your/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /path/to/your/archive"

The list would then have my-list-archive as one of the subscribers, or you
could add my-list-archive to the my-list alias above.  If you add it to the
alias, though, none of the majordomo processing or filtering will be done
on it, for example, non-member spam will go directly to the archive file
instead of getting stopped by majordomo.

mjb.


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Simply add it to the LIST-outgoing alias instead.  Therefore, the 
archive gets the results *after* resend.

    - Burt

Mark J. Bradakis wrote:

>You can archive lists by using an archive program as one of the addresses.
>You would have aliases like
>
>my-list: "|/path/to/your/majordomo/wrapper resend -l [...]"
>my-list-archive:  "|/path/to/your/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m -f /path/to/your/archive"
>
>The list would then have my-list-archive as one of the subscribers, or you
>could add my-list-archive to the my-list alias above.  If you add it to the
>alias, though, none of the majordomo processing or filtering will be done
>on it, for example, non-member spam will go directly to the archive file
>instead of getting stopped by majordomo.
>
>mjb.
>
>
>  
>

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As I create each list (and it's config file), I add a custom header
setting, and a matching taboo_header expression.  This has worked
well for those vacation/auto-reply senders that maintain the headers,
but not otherwise.  Also make sure your reply_to setting is not set,
or you are causing this yourself.

message_headers     <<  END
List-ID: $LIST mailing list <$LIST.lists.doma.in>
END

reply_to            =

taboo_headers       <<  END
/^X-ApprovalRequired: true/i
/^List-ID:.*$LIST\.lists\.doma\.in/i
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Dan Liston

Andrew Beverley wrote:

> I've recently encountered a problem where a misconfigured email server
> of a list member was directing list emails back to the list, causing a
> mail loop.
> 
> The emails were keeping the original headers, so my thought to prevent
> this is to add a custom header to the list, and check for the custom
> header - for example in taboo-headers.
> 
> My question is, does anyone know of any patches to majordomo to do this
> automatically, without having to edit each config file, and also without
> each looped message being bounced for approval.
> 
> Note: because with every pass through the majordomo server another set
> of headers was added, the recursive email was eventually stopped
> somewhere along the line because of the excessive number of Received
> headers.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andy Beverley
> 


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This setting is used to override the $filedir and $filedir_suffix
variables in the majordomo.cf file.  Please, leave this blank.
Set your archive directory via the majordomo.cf file instead.

Dan Liston

Charlie Smith wrote:

> The .config file for one of the lists has an item called archive_dir.  The comments indicate that 'This item does not currently work."  Is this still true.  How would one archive the emails on the list?
> 
> 
>         # archive_dir          [absolute_dir] (undef) <majordomo>
>         # The directory where the mailing list archive is kept. This item
>         # does not currently work. Leave it blank.
> archive_dir         =
> 
> 
> 


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Ok.  but how would you turn archiving on?=20=20=20=20

>> "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org> 12/19/03 01:55PM >>>
This setting is used to override the $filedir and $filedir_suffix
variables in the majordomo.cf file.  Please, leave this blank.
Set your archive directory via the majordomo.cf file instead.

Dan Liston

Charlie Smith wrote:

> The .config file for one of the lists has an item called archive_dir.  Th=
e comments indicate that 'This item does not currently work."  Is this stil=
l true.  How would one archive the emails on the list?
>=20
>=20
>         # archive_dir          [absolute_dir] (undef) <majordomo>
>         # The directory where the mailing list archive is kept. This item
>         # does not currently work. Leave it blank.
> archive_dir         =3D
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>=20
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Charlie Smith wrote:

> Ok.  but how would you turn archiving on?   

It requires using aliases to call one of the archive programs -- the 
alias examples in the docs should show it.

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With an email alias in the sendmail /etc/aliases file or an
aliases file dedicated to majordomo as long as it is defined
in the sendmail.cf file.

Example aliases for a list that archives and digests messages;

owner-test: test-owner
test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody"
test-owner: you@your.domain,
test-approval: test-owner
test-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify
test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /var/lib/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M"
test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing",
test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test"
#test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test"
test-digest: test
test-digest-owner: test-owner
test-digest-request: test-owner
test-digest-approval: test-owner
test-digest-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@your.domain /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest"

Dan Liston

PS.  Please modify your email client so it does *not* quote
the email addresses of users that you reply to.  I/we receive
enough spam without having our fully qualified address farmed
out of all the archives these lists ends up in.  Quoting just
the full name is more than sufficient for everyone to know
who you are talking to.

PPS.  Using "plain text" rather than RTF or HTML format when
posting to a public mailing list would be proper netiquette.

Charlie Smith wrote:

> Ok.  but how would you turn archiving on?   
> 
>  >> "Daniel Liston" 12/19/03 01:55PM >>>
> This setting is used to override the $filedir and $filedir_suffix
> variables in the majordomo.cf file.  Please, leave this blank.
> Set your archive directory via the majordomo.cf file instead.
> 
> Dan Liston
> 
> Charlie Smith wrote:
> 
>  > The .config file for one of the lists has an item called 
> archive_dir.  The comments indicate that 'This item does not currently 
> work."  Is this still true.  How would one archive the emails on the list?
>  >
>  >
>  >         # archive_dir          [absolute_dir] (undef) <majordomo>
>  >         # The directory where the mailing list archive is kept. This item
>  >         # does not currently work. Leave it blank.
>  > archive_dir         =
>  >
>  >
>  >
> 
> 


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I'm assuming that the ',' at the end of the test-owner and test-digestify l=
ine were typos.
Is the ...majordomo/archives/test/test   a file that will be created when m=
ail is archived in the test directory?
=20
Thanks for the pompt reply. This is really great stuff.
=20
PS
Thanks for the PS and PSS notes.  I'll ask our corporate email administrato=
rs to see what they can do about making the client plain/text.  I'd like to=
 comply with the netiquette thing as much as possible.   So, maybe they can=
 help get email going out in plain text rather than as multipart or html.  =
Hope so, as we ought to try and be good internet citizens.

>>> "Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 01:28PM >>>
With an email alias in the sendmail /etc/aliases file or an
aliases file dedicated to majordomo as long as it is defined
in the sendmail.cf file.

Example aliases for a list that archives and digests messages;

owner-test: test-owner
test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody"
test-owner: you@your.domain,
test-approval: test-owner
test-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-di=
gestify
test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /var/lib/majordo=
mo/archives/test/test -a -M"
test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest te=
st-digest-outgoing",
test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test"
#test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test"
test-digest: test
test-digest-owner: test-owner
test-digest-request: test-owner
test-digest-approval: test-owner
test-digest-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@your.domain /var/l=
ib/majordomo/lists/test-digest"

Dan Liston

PS.  Please modify your email client so it does *not* quote
the email addresses of users that you reply to.  I/we receive
enough spam without having our fully qualified address farmed
out of all the archives these lists ends up in.  Quoting just
the full name is more than sufficient for everyone to know
who you are talking to.

PPS.  Using "plain text" rather than RTF or HTML format when
posting to a public mailing list would be proper netiquette.

Charlie Smith wrote:

> Ok.  but how would you turn archiving on?=20=20=20
>=20
>  >> "Daniel Liston" 12/19/03 01:55PM >>>
> This setting is used to override the $filedir and $filedir_suffix
> variables in the majordomo.cf file.  Please, leave this blank.
> Set your archive directory via the majordomo.cf file instead.
>=20
> Dan Liston
>=20
> Charlie Smith wrote:
>=20
>  > The .config file for one of the lists has an item called=20
> archive_dir.  The comments indicate that 'This item does not currently=20
> work."  Is this still true.  How would one archive the emails on the list?
>  >
>  >
>  >         # archive_dir          [absolute_dir] (undef) <majordomo>
>  >         # The directory where the mailing list archive is kept. This i=
tem
>  >         # does not currently work. Leave it blank.
>  > archive_dir         =3D
>  >
>  >
>  >
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From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sat Dec 20 20:49:39 2003
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The commas are not typos.  They prevent sendmail from expanding
the right hand side into the left hand side for the Received:
headers of the outgoing messages.  If you are using exim, qmail,
or some other sendmail replacement, this might be unnecessary.

The ...majordomo/archives/test directory is not automatically
created, but the test.200312 file under it will be.  The -f
defines the base filename for the archive, and the -M gives an
extension or suffix of the 4 digit year and 2 digit Month.  If
you use a lower case -m, the year will be 2 digits.  This can
be found by reading the first several lines of the archive2.pl
file.  BTW, you should create the archive subdirectory per
list, owned by the majordomo user and 750 permissions.

Thanks for changing the reply quote too.  I appreciate it.
The text/plain part is likely a setting in your mail client
more than the corporate servers.  Look for things in the menu
bar like "settings", "preferences", or "options", then look
for "send" or "compose" email to try to find HTML vs plain
text settings.

Merry Christmas,
Dan Liston

Charlie Smith wrote:

> I'm assuming that the ',' at the end of the test-owner and 
> test-digestify line were typos.
> Is the ...majordomo/archives/test/test   a file that will be created 
> when mail is archived in the test directory?
>  
> Thanks for the pompt reply. This is really great stuff.
>  
> PS
> Thanks for the PS and PSS notes.  I'll ask our corporate email 
> administrators to see what they can do about making the client 
> plain/text.  I'd like to comply with the netiquette thing as much as 
> possible.   So, maybe they can help get email going out in plain text 
> rather than as multipart or html.  Hope so, as we ought to try and be 
> good internet citizens.



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For GroupWise I was able to find some option settings for my client, but th=
ey indicated that my settings already set to Plain Text
Tools |options |environment|views |default compost view| Plain Text=20=20
Tools |options |Send Options | MIME Encoding|ISO Default

Would either of these imply that HTML should be sent (I would think not) an=
d are  you still getting my messages encrypted as MIME or HTML? Perhaps I'm=
 missing another setting somewhere for the client?  Is there a GroupWise ex=
pert out there?

>>> "Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 09:50PM >>>
The commas are not typos.  They prevent sendmail from expanding
the right hand side into the left hand side for the Received:
headers of the outgoing messages.  If you are using exim, qmail,
or some other sendmail replacement, this might be unnecessary.

The ...majordomo/archives/test directory is not automatically
created, but the test.200312 file under it will be.  The -f
defines the base filename for the archive, and the -M gives an
extension or suffix of the 4 digit year and 2 digit Month.  If
you use a lower case -m, the year will be 2 digits.  This can
be found by reading the first several lines of the archive2.pl
file.  BTW, you should create the archive subdirectory per
list, owned by the majordomo user and 750 permissions.

Thanks for changing the reply quote too.  I appreciate it.
The text/plain part is likely a setting in your mail client
more than the corporate servers.  Look for things in the menu
bar like "settings", "preferences", or "options", then look
for "send" or "compose" email to try to find HTML vs plain
text settings.

Merry Christmas,
Dan Liston

Charlie Smith wrote:

> I'm assuming that the ',' at the end of the test-owner and=20
> test-digestify line were typos.
> Is the ...majordomo/archives/test/test   a file that will be created=20
> when mail is archived in the test directory?
>=20=20
> Thanks for the pompt reply. This is really great stuff.
>=20=20
> PS
> Thanks for the PS and PSS notes.  I'll ask our corporate email=20
> administrators to see what they can do about making the client=20
> plain/text.  I'd like to comply with the netiquette thing as much as=20
> possible.   So, maybe they can help get email going out in plain text=20
> rather than as multipart or html.  Hope so, as we ought to try and be=20
> good internet citizens.






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This is probably not a majordomo error, but I'm hoping for a
kind soul to point me in the right direction.

I just converted a 600 person LISTSERV list on an unknown
type of box to majordomo list on my Linux/Cobalt box.  I've got lots
of bounces including many of the following type:

user@hcc.mass.edu
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What I have learned is that "hcc.mass.edu" is not a valid domain
and that it is standing in for "hightide.hcc.mass.edu", but that normal
e-mail to "hcc.mass.edu" works fine.

I've Googled the error message, which only leads me to believe
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Anybody have any pointers for me?

Thanks,
Nelson Weiderman

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:34:29 -0600
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To: Nelson Weiderman <nhw@ids.net>
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Subject: Re: 501 5.5.4 Invalid Arguments Problem
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Hi Nelson,

Are all 600 users in the same domain?  You might need to break
up the list into smaller chunks so the receiving server will
be able to digest it. :)  If you send mail to one user on the
list, I assume it goes fine.  This is a lot of work, but you
could send to 2, then 3, then 4, and so on until you get the
error message, and use tlb or bulk_mailer to split your list
deliveries into smaller pieces after you find the "sweet spot".

You might also look at the contents of your list membership
file, "list", and see if any lines contain more than one
address, or any address separator characters that are not
enclosed within commenting characters.  If your list allows
addresses and comments ("strip = no" in list.config), you might
see argument errors.  If your users are subscribed as being in
the hightide.hcc.mass.edu domain, but the mail has to go to the
hcc.mass.edu domain for delivery, you might also consider using
the "mungedomain = yes" setting in list.config.

Dan Liston

Nelson Weiderman wrote:

> 
> This is probably not a majordomo error, but I'm hoping for a
> kind soul to point me in the right direction.
> 
> I just converted a 600 person LISTSERV list on an unknown
> type of box to majordomo list on my Linux/Cobalt box.  I've got lots
> of bounces including many of the following type:
> 
> user@hcc.mass.edu
>     (reason: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments)
>     (expanded from: 
> :include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.masfaa.org/lists/list)
> 
> What I have learned is that "hcc.mass.edu" is not a valid domain
> and that it is standing in for "hightide.hcc.mass.edu", but that normal
> e-mail to "hcc.mass.edu" works fine.
> 
> I've Googled the error message, which only leads me to believe
> that I might have a configuration problem with Linux or Sendmail.
> 
> Anybody have any pointers for me?
> 
> Thanks,
> Nelson Weiderman


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Hi Dan,

No, there are only a handful of users who are getting rejected
from that domain.  The rest of the mail seems to be getting
through to the list members.

But now I have a better clues.  Here is another error from
sending to the list:

... while talking to whitesand.hcc.mass.edu.:
>>>  MAIL From:<owner-list@www.masfaa.org> SIZE=1760 
>>>AUTH=owner-list@www.masfaa.org
<<< 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments
501 5.6.0 
sstano@hcc.mass.edu,kderouin@hcc.mass.edu,lorozco@hcc.mass.edu,Kwillard@hcc.mass.edu,Krock@hcc.mass.edu... 
Data format error

This led me to believe the receiver was complaining that owner-list was
not a valid user on my machine.

But when I try to send using the php mail() function with a valid From: address
the maillog says:

Dec 22 20:47:18 www sendmail[23016]: hBN2lFL23016: from=httpd, 
size=97, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<200312230247.hBN2lFL23016@www.noeticharbor.com>, 
relay=httpd@localhost
Dec 22 20:47:19 www sendmail[23018]: hBN2lFL23016: 
to=sstano@hcc.mass.edu, ctladdr=httpd (15/11), delay=00:00:04, 
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=30097, 
relay=whitesand.hcc.mass.edu. [134.241.135.11], dsn=5.6.0, stat=Data 
format error
Dec 22 20:47:19 www sendmail[23018]: hBN2lFL23016: hBN2lJK23018: DSN: 
Data format error
Dec 22 20:47:19 www sendmail[23018]: hBN2lJK23018: to=httpd, 
delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30197, dsn=2.0.0, 
stat=Sent

So I'm thinking this is a relay problem at whitesand.hcc.mass.edu, but
not at other receiving sites.  Can I reconfigure something so that this is
not a problem at whitesand?  Or is this a DNS error of some kind?

Nelson



At 3:34 PM -0600 12/22/03, Daniel Liston wrote:
>Hi Nelson,
>
>Are all 600 users in the same domain?  You might need to break
>up the list into smaller chunks so the receiving server will
>be able to digest it. :)  If you send mail to one user on the
>list, I assume it goes fine.  This is a lot of work, but you
>could send to 2, then 3, then 4, and so on until you get the
>error message, and use tlb or bulk_mailer to split your list
>deliveries into smaller pieces after you find the "sweet spot".
>
>You might also look at the contents of your list membership
>file, "list", and see if any lines contain more than one
>address, or any address separator characters that are not
>enclosed within commenting characters.  If your list allows
>addresses and comments ("strip = no" in list.config), you might
>see argument errors.  If your users are subscribed as being in
>the hightide.hcc.mass.edu domain, but the mail has to go to the
>hcc.mass.edu domain for delivery, you might also consider using
>the "mungedomain = yes" setting in list.config.
>
>Dan Liston
>
>Nelson Weiderman wrote:
>
>>
>>This is probably not a majordomo error, but I'm hoping for a
>>kind soul to point me in the right direction.
>>
>>I just converted a 600 person LISTSERV list on an unknown
>>type of box to majordomo list on my Linux/Cobalt box.  I've got lots
>>of bounces including many of the following type:
>>
>>user@hcc.mass.edu
>>     (reason: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments)
>>     (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.masfaa.org/lists/list)
>>
>>What I have learned is that "hcc.mass.edu" is not a valid domain
>>and that it is standing in for "hightide.hcc.mass.edu", but that normal
>>e-mail to "hcc.mass.edu" works fine.
>>
>>I've Googled the error message, which only leads me to believe
>>that I might have a configuration problem with Linux or Sendmail.
>>
>>Anybody have any pointers for me?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Nelson Weiderman


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It looks like the message is going out from httpd at your dot domain,
bouncing, then the bounce has nowhere to go as httpd is not an email
address in your domain.

Dan

Nelson Weiderman wrote:

> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> No, there are only a handful of users who are getting rejected
> from that domain.  The rest of the mail seems to be getting
> through to the list members.
> 
> But now I have a better clues.  Here is another error from
> sending to the list:
> 
> ... while talking to whitesand.hcc.mass.edu.:
> 
>>>>  MAIL From:<owner-list@www.masfaa.org> SIZE=1760 
>>>> AUTH=owner-list@www.masfaa.org
> 
> <<< 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments
> 501 5.6.0 
> sstano@hcc.mass.edu,kderouin@hcc.mass.edu,lorozco@hcc.mass.edu,Kwillard@hcc.mass.edu,Krock@hcc.mass.edu... 
> Data format error
> 
> This led me to believe the receiver was complaining that owner-list was
> not a valid user on my machine.
> 
> But when I try to send using the php mail() function with a valid From: 
> address
> the maillog says:
> 
> Dec 22 20:47:18 www sendmail[23016]: hBN2lFL23016: from=httpd, size=97, 
> class=0, nrcpts=1, 
> msgid=<200312230247.hBN2lFL23016@www.noeticharbor.com>, 
> relay=httpd@localhost
> Dec 22 20:47:19 www sendmail[23018]: hBN2lFL23016: 
> to=sstano@hcc.mass.edu, ctladdr=httpd (15/11), delay=00:00:04, 
> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=30097, relay=whitesand.hcc.mass.edu. 
> [134.241.135.11], dsn=5.6.0, stat=Data format error
> Dec 22 20:47:19 www sendmail[23018]: hBN2lFL23016: hBN2lJK23018: DSN: 
> Data format error
> Dec 22 20:47:19 www sendmail[23018]: hBN2lJK23018: to=httpd, 
> delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30197, dsn=2.0.0, 
> stat=Sent
> 
> So I'm thinking this is a relay problem at whitesand.hcc.mass.edu, but
> not at other receiving sites.  Can I reconfigure something so that this is
> not a problem at whitesand?  Or is this a DNS error of some kind?
> 
> Nelson
> 
> 
> 
> At 3:34 PM -0600 12/22/03, Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
>> Hi Nelson,
>>
>> Are all 600 users in the same domain?  You might need to break
>> up the list into smaller chunks so the receiving server will
>> be able to digest it. :)  If you send mail to one user on the
>> list, I assume it goes fine.  This is a lot of work, but you
>> could send to 2, then 3, then 4, and so on until you get the
>> error message, and use tlb or bulk_mailer to split your list
>> deliveries into smaller pieces after you find the "sweet spot".
>>
>> You might also look at the contents of your list membership
>> file, "list", and see if any lines contain more than one
>> address, or any address separator characters that are not
>> enclosed within commenting characters.  If your list allows
>> addresses and comments ("strip = no" in list.config), you might
>> see argument errors.  If your users are subscribed as being in
>> the hightide.hcc.mass.edu domain, but the mail has to go to the
>> hcc.mass.edu domain for delivery, you might also consider using
>> the "mungedomain = yes" setting in list.config.
>>
>> Dan Liston
>>
>> Nelson Weiderman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This is probably not a majordomo error, but I'm hoping for a
>>> kind soul to point me in the right direction.
>>>
>>> I just converted a 600 person LISTSERV list on an unknown
>>> type of box to majordomo list on my Linux/Cobalt box.  I've got lots
>>> of bounces including many of the following type:
>>>
>>> user@hcc.mass.edu
>>>     (reason: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments)
>>>     (expanded from: 
>>> :include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.masfaa.org/lists/list)
>>>
>>> What I have learned is that "hcc.mass.edu" is not a valid domain
>>> and that it is standing in for "hightide.hcc.mass.edu", but that normal
>>> e-mail to "hcc.mass.edu" works fine.
>>>
>>> I've Googled the error message, which only leads me to believe
>>> that I might have a configuration problem with Linux or Sendmail.
>>>
>>> Anybody have any pointers for me?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Nelson Weiderman


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Looks like there may not be a any guarantees that most of the incoming mail=
 to my majordomo lists would be plain text.  I'm pretty sure I saw a discus=
sion on changing HTML or Multipart encoded messages to plain text using som=
e sort of filter.  I may want to do this for the archiving feature.  What w=
ould the syntax be for that?  Please just point me to a FAQ if possible, so=
 that I don't take up so much of your time.
=20
A very merry Christmas to you.

>>> "Charlie Smith" wrote on 12/22/03 07:59AM >>>

For GroupWise I was able to find some option settings for my client, but th=
ey indicated that my settings already set to Plain Text
Tools |options |environment|views |default compost view| Plain Text=20=20
Tools |options |Send Options | MIME Encoding|ISO Default

Would either of these imply that HTML should be sent (I would think not) an=
d are  you still getting my messages encrypted as MIME or HTML? Perhaps I'm=
 missing another setting somewhere for the client?  Is there a GroupWise ex=
pert out there?

>>> "Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 09:50PM >>>
The commas are not typos.  They prevent sendmail from expanding
the right hand side into the left hand side for the Received:
headers of the outgoing messages.  If you are using exim, qmail,
or some other sendmail replacement, this might be unnecessary.

The ...majordomo/archives/test directory is not automatically
created, but the test.200312 file under it will be.  The -f
defines the base filename for the archive, and the -M gives an
extension or suffix of the 4 digit year and 2 digit Month.  If
you use a lower case -m, the year will be 2 digits.  This can
be found by reading the first several lines of the archive2.pl
file.  BTW, you should create the archive subdirectory per
list, owned by the majordomo user and 750 permissions.

Thanks for changing the reply quote too.  I appreciate it.
The text/plain part is likely a setting in your mail client
more than the corporate servers.  Look for things in the menu
bar like "settings", "preferences", or "options", then look
for "send" or "compose" email to try to find HTML vs plain
text settings.

Merry Christmas,
Dan Liston

Charlie Smith wrote:

> I'm assuming that the ',' at the end of the test-owner and=20
> test-digestify line were typos.
> Is the ...majordomo/archives/test/test   a file that will be created=20
> when mail is archived in the test directory?
>=20=20
> Thanks for the pompt reply. This is really great stuff.
>=20=20
> PS
> Thanks for the PS and PSS notes.  I'll ask our corporate email=20
> administrators to see what they can do about making the client=20
> plain/text.  I'd like to comply with the netiquette thing as much as=20
> possible.   So, maybe they can help get email going out in plain text=20
> rather than as multipart or html.  Hope so, as we ought to try and be=20
> good internet citizens.









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A question about Majordomo2 Digests.

Mine appear to have stopped working. I did receive a daily digest or two,
then nothing. Using either the "digest-check" or "digest-check-repeat"
commands results in:

     **** No issues were sent.  No digests were ready for delivery,
     **** or no messages were available for delivery.

Following are the status reports for the daily and weekly digests, minus the
message summaries. Note that I retrieved the report this morning, Dec 23,
though the "Next delivery" appears to be stuck on Dec 20 for the daily
digest. (It read the same when I checked yesterday.)

Digest name                daily
Last delivered on          Fri Dec 19 09:24:00 2003
Next delivery on or after  Sat Dec 20 09:24:00 2003
Age of oldest message      2 days 22 hours
Oldest age allowed         2 days
Age of newest message      2 days 19 hours
Minimum message count      2
Maximum message count      10
Minimum digest size        20480
Maximum digest size        40960
Messages awaiting delivery 4
Total message size         20964 bytes

Digest name                weekly
Age of oldest message      1 week 6 days 19 hours
Oldest age allowed         8 days
Age of newest message      2 days 19 hours
Minimum message count      2
Maximum message count      30
Minimum digest size        20480
Maximum digest size        102400
Messages awaiting delivery 41
Total message size         135782 bytes

Have I perhaps set something incorrectly? Thanks!

-- Dean


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Test Message Please ignore

		Regards
		Santhosh.H
		


-----Original Message-----
From: Majordomo-owner@GreatCircle.COM
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Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:38 PM
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>>>> accept
Token 'B7B4-550E-1D6D' for command:
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<h.santhosh@timken.com>"
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majordomo-users.

>>>> Regards
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I think this might be what you are looking for.

http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html

You could also try;

http://www.clarity.net/~adam/stripmime/stripmime-0.8.3a.tgz

or yet some more...

ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/mailstrip.0
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/html-stripper-v0.1

Dan Liston

Charlie Smith wrote:

> Looks like there may not be a any guarantees that most of the incoming 
> mail to my majordomo lists would be plain text.  I'm pretty sure I saw a 
> discussion on changing HTML or Multipart encoded messages to plain text 
> using some sort of filter.  I may want to do this for the archiving 
> feature.  What would the syntax be for that?  Please just point me to a 
> FAQ if possible, so that I don't take up so much of your time.



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Dean Mail wrote:
 > Have I perhaps set something incorrectly? Thanks!

Please send your "digests" settings.

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Roger wrote: "Please send your "digests" settings."

The "digest_issues" shows:

daily : 1  : 5
weekly : 1  : 1

The "digests" settings are:

daily
times=5
minsize=20
minmsg=2
maxsize=40
maxmsg=10
maxage=2d
separate=1d
type=mime
sort=thread
index=numbered
desc=The Daily Digest
subject=[$LIST] Daily digest ($MESSAGECOUNT messages)

weekly
times=sun(13)
minsize=20
minmsg=2
maxsize=100
maxmsg=30
maxage=8d
type=text
desc=The Weekly Digest, Delivered on Sundays.

Thank you,
Dean

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Just to close the loop on this one, the answer was to change the sendmail.cf
file as follows:

# SMTP AUTH flags
O AuthOptions=A

Not sure why it works, but it seems to negate the overzealous mail
server that bounced the e-mail from majordomo in the first place.

Cheers,
Nelson

At 10:55 PM -0600 12/22/03, Daniel Liston wrote:
>It looks like the message is going out from httpd at your dot domain,
>bouncing, then the bounce has nowhere to go as httpd is not an email
>address in your domain.
>
>Dan
>
>Nelson Weiderman wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi Dan,
>>
>>No, there are only a handful of users who are getting rejected
>>from that domain.  The rest of the mail seems to be getting
>>through to the list members.
>>
>>But now I have a better clues.  Here is another error from
>>sending to the list:
>>
>>... while talking to whitesand.hcc.mass.edu.:
>>
>>>>>  MAIL From:<owner-list@www.masfaa.org> SIZE=1760 
>>>>>AUTH=owner-list@www.masfaa.org
>>
>><<< 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments
>>501 5.6.0 
>>sstano@hcc.mass.edu,kderouin@hcc.mass.edu,lorozco@hcc.mass.edu,Kwillard@hcc.mass.edu,Krock@hcc.mass.edu... 
>>Data format error
>>
>>This led me to believe the receiver was complaining that owner-list was
>>not a valid user on my machine.
>>
>>But when I try to send using the php mail() function with a valid 
>>From: address
>>the maillog says:
>>
>>Dec 22 20:47:18 www sendmail[23016]: hBN2lFL23016: from=httpd, 
>>size=97, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
>>msgid=<200312230247.hBN2lFL23016@www.noeticharbor.com>, 
>>relay=httpd@localhost
>>Dec 22 20:47:19 www sendmail[23018]: hBN2lFL23016: 
>>to=sstano@hcc.mass.edu, ctladdr=httpd (15/11), delay=00:00:04, 
>>xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=30097, 
>>relay=whitesand.hcc.mass.edu. [134.241.135.11], dsn=5.6.0, 
>>stat=Data format error
>>Dec 22 20:47:19 www sendmail[23018]: hBN2lFL23016: hBN2lJK23018: 
>>DSN: Data format error
>>Dec 22 20:47:19 www sendmail[23018]: hBN2lJK23018: to=httpd, 
>>delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30197, 
>>dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>>
>>So I'm thinking this is a relay problem at whitesand.hcc.mass.edu, but
>>not at other receiving sites.  Can I reconfigure something so that this is
>>not a problem at whitesand?  Or is this a DNS error of some kind?
>>
>>Nelson
>>
>>
>>
>>At 3:34 PM -0600 12/22/03, Daniel Liston wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Nelson,
>>>
>>>Are all 600 users in the same domain?  You might need to break
>>>up the list into smaller chunks so the receiving server will
>>>be able to digest it. :)  If you send mail to one user on the
>>>list, I assume it goes fine.  This is a lot of work, but you
>>>could send to 2, then 3, then 4, and so on until you get the
>>>error message, and use tlb or bulk_mailer to split your list
>>>deliveries into smaller pieces after you find the "sweet spot".
>>>
>>>You might also look at the contents of your list membership
>>>file, "list", and see if any lines contain more than one
>>>address, or any address separator characters that are not
>>>enclosed within commenting characters.  If your list allows
>>>addresses and comments ("strip = no" in list.config), you might
>>>see argument errors.  If your users are subscribed as being in
>>>the hightide.hcc.mass.edu domain, but the mail has to go to the
>>>hcc.mass.edu domain for delivery, you might also consider using
>>>the "mungedomain = yes" setting in list.config.
>>>
>>>Dan Liston
>>>
>>>Nelson Weiderman wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is probably not a majordomo error, but I'm hoping for a
>>>>kind soul to point me in the right direction.
>>>>
>>>>I just converted a 600 person LISTSERV list on an unknown
>>>>type of box to majordomo list on my Linux/Cobalt box.  I've got lots
>>>>of bounces including many of the following type:
>>>>
>>>>user@hcc.mass.edu
>>>>     (reason: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments)
>>>>     (expanded from: 
>>>>:include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.masfaa.org/lists/list)
>>>>
>>>>What I have learned is that "hcc.mass.edu" is not a valid domain
>>>>and that it is standing in for "hightide.hcc.mass.edu", but that normal
>>>>e-mail to "hcc.mass.edu" works fine.
>>>>
>>>>I've Googled the error message, which only leads me to believe
>>>>that I might have a configuration problem with Linux or Sendmail.
>>>>
>>>>Anybody have any pointers for me?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Nelson Weiderman


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From: "Colin Beveridge" <Colin.Beveridge@oncoms.com>
To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Subject: Basic Question about Digest set-up
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:59:38 -0000
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I have set up a majordomo list which works fine - let's call it "mylist"
I need to have a digest version of this list too - so I have set up a
majordomo list called "mylist-digest"
I have edited the maximum days and maximum line parameters in the config
file for "mylist-digest"
I have set up what I think are the appropriate digest and archive sub
directories.
I subscribed "mylist-digest@mydomain.com" as a member of "mylist"

When testing the set-up, I was unable to generate a digest - either by
sending test messages to "mylist" or by sending mkdigest commands to
"mylist-digest"

I therefore removed "mylist-digest@mydomain.com" from the "mylist" members
list and repeated my testing. No digests.

I have looked all over the place (via Google) for an effective majordomo
digest FAQ and not found a definitive explanation of digest set-up...

So my first basic question now is: do I need to subscribe
mylist-digest@mydomain.com as a member of "mylist"

any help and advice appreciated
ColinB








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Dan Liston wrote a very nice How-To and interestingly enough called it 
"Archive/Digest HOW-TO" which is currently at revision 2.   You may want to 
try searching one of the list archives:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=majordomo-users&m=105606106821839&w=2

At 12:59 PM Sunday, 12/28/2003, Colin Beveridge wrote -=>
>I have looked all over the place (via Google) for an effective majordomo
>digest FAQ and not found a definitive explanation of digest set-up...

Ed Kasky
Los Angeles, CA
. . . . . . . .
Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none. -Shakespeare


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Subject: Mulitple addresses subscribed, but only one gets mail.
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I was on a majordomo run list where this was possible and I'd like to make 
it available on my lists.

Basically user "A" can post from several accounts but only receives from 
one and the list is a closed list. From what I understand there is a file 
that I can put the addresses in that majorodmo views as acceptable 
addresses to receive mail from.

I'm running 1.94.4 and sendmail 8.9.3 on freebsd

Thank you!


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The Diva wrote:

> I was on a majordomo run list where this was possible and I'd like to 
> make it available on my lists.
> 
> Basically user "A" can post from several accounts but only receives from 
> one and the list is a closed list. From what I understand there is a 
> file that I can put the addresses in that majorodmo views as acceptable 
> addresses to receive mail from.
> 
> I'm running 1.94.4 and sendmail 8.9.3 on freebsd

"The file you can put the addresses in" is any file you choose.  There's 
no specific built-in file.

Simply add that file to the restrict_post field in your list's 
configuration.  Usually, people put them in the lists folder along with 
the actual lists.

To make management of alternate addresses easier, some make the file 
itself a separate unadvertised list, so alternate addresses can be 
subscribed and unsubscribed rather than requiring hand-editing of the file.

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Hi-

I'm new to majordomo, and am just setting up my list.  I'm getting my 
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provide a basic interface for setting up a list, but none for editing 
or changing settings, etc.  So I modified my config file directly (to 
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an error message:

--


MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!!

Majordomo@centerfornewwords.org:  is not a valid return address.

I didn't change anything about the return address nor can I even 
figure out how.  Can someone help me figure out how to fix this?

Many, many thanks.

-Jaclyn
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<div><br></div>
<div>I'm new to majordomo, and am just setting up my list.&nbsp; I'm
getting my majordomo service through my web hosting service
(indotek.com).&nbsp; They provide a basic interface for setting up a
list, but none for editing or changing settings, etc.&nbsp; So I
modified my config file directly (to increase my list security) and
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<br>
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<div>I didn't change anything about the return address nor can I even
figure out how.&nbsp; Can someone help me figure out how to fix
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<div><br></div>
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Center for New Words wrote:

> Hi-
> 
> I'm new to majordomo, and am just setting up my list.  I'm getting my 
> majordomo service through my web hosting service (indotek.com).  They 
> provide a basic interface for setting up a list, but none for editing or 
> changing settings, etc.  So I modified my config file directly (to 
> increase my list security)...

What changes did you make?

> and now, when I try to add members, I get an 
> error message...

And how are you trying to add members?

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Majordomo depends entirely on sendmail style aliases file(s) for it's
mailing lists to work.  It even needs an alias for itself.  Can you send
email to majordomo@centerfornewwords.org with just "help" in the body of
the message and get a successful response from majordomo?

Center for New Words wrote:

> Hi-
> 
> I'm new to majordomo, and am just setting up my list.  I'm getting my 
> majordomo service through my web hosting service (indotek.com).  They 
> provide a basic interface for setting up a list, but none for editing or 

Editing/changing settings in the list config are done through email,
unless the majorcool interface is installed.

> changing settings, etc.  So I modified my config file directly (to 

Does this mean you logged into the host machine and edited yourlist.config
in the /path/to/majordomo/lists directory, or the /etc/majordomo.cf file?

> increase my list security) and now, when I try to add members, I get an 
> error message:

Are you adding members by editing the yourlist file, or sending email to
majordomo with "subscribe user@domain.com yourlis" lines in the message
body?

Dan Liston


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Hi,
        To create digest & archives, I used the method which is in
attachment:
        Hope this may be useful.
Regs,
Durai.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: digests


>
> I asked a question about digests a couple of weeks ago that
> got no responses.  Is that because digests don't work at all?
> Or because few people use them?  I also tried a webhosting
> forum without any responses.  So what's the story with digests
> on MD?
>
> N.
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1.Create and Retriving Archive=20
2.Create and Retriving Digest=20
=20=20

Step 1:=20

In /etc/aliases,give the following details:=20

#####################################################=20

owner-majordomo:james=20
owner-majordomo-digest:james=20
owner-majordomo-users1:james=20
owner-majordomo-digest-outgoing:james=20
majordomo-approval:james=20
majordomo-digest-approval:james=20

majordomo: "|/opt/iexpress/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"=20

majordomo-users1::include:/opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-users1,"|=
/opt/iexpress/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -a -m=20
-f /opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-archive/majordomo.archive","|/op=
t/iexpress/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l major=20
domo-digest majordomo-digest-outgoing"=20
majordomo-digest-outgoing::include:/opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-=
digest=20
majordomo-request: "|/opt/iexpress/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l majordomo=
-users1"=20
majordomo-digest-request: "|/opt/iexpress/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l ma=
jordomo-digest"=20

majordomo-digest: "|/opt/iexpress/majordomo/wrapper resend -l majordomo-dig=
est majordomo-digest-outgoing"=20

#####################################################=20

Step 2:=20
             Give the following commands:=20

$touch /opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-users1=20
$chown daemon:daemon /opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-users1=20
$chmod 700 /opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-users1=20
$mkdir /opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-archive=20
$mkdir /opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-digest=20
$chown daemon:daemon /opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-archive=20
$chown daemon:daemon /opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-digest=20

After the subscription and sending one or two mails to list(majordomo-users=
1), there will be two configure files called "majordomo-digest.config" and =
"majordomo-archive.config".And also the mails will be stored in majordomo-a=
rchive and majordomo-digest directory.=20

Step 3:=20

In /opt/iexpress/majordomo/majordomo.cf,give the following details:=20

$digest_work_dir =3D "$homedir/lists";=20

$filedir =3D "$homedir/lists";=20
$filedir_suffix =3D "";=20

In /opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-digest.config, give the followin=
g details:=20

restrict_post       =3D   majordomo-users1=20
get_access          =3D   list=20

Note:  Here list means "list" members can only use the get command."open" m=
eans (eg. Non-subscribers) all the members can access the digest."close" me=
ans this option is disabled.=20

In /opt/iexpress/majordomo/lists/majordomo-archive.config, give the followi=
ng details:=20

restrict_post       =3D   majordomo-users1=20
get_access          =3D   list=20

Note:  Here "list" means majordomo-list members can only use the get comman=
d."open" means all the members (eg. Non-subscribers) can access the archive=
."close" means this option is disabled.=20

Step 4:=20

       Restart the sendmail.=20

Step 5:=20

Now we can retrive the digest and archive using index and get command.=20

Retriving digest:=20

$mail majordomo=20
index majordomo-digest=20
.=20
$=20

$ mail=20
=46rom james@krishna.kovaiteam.com Thu May 22 16:14:05 IST 2003=20
Received: (from daemon@localhost)=20
        by krishna.kovaiteam.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3) id QAA19730;=20
        Thu, 22 May 2003 16:14:05 +0530 (IST)=20
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:14:05 +0530 (IST)=20
From: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Message-Id: <200305221044.QAA19730@krishna.kovaiteam.com>=20
To: albert@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Subject: Majordomo results=20
Reply-To: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20

--=20

>>>> index majordomo-digest=20
total 32=20
-rw-rw----   1 daemon     daemon         366 May 22 16:11 001=20
-rw-rw----   1 daemon     daemon         362 May 22 16:11 002=20
>>>>=20

$=20

$  mail majordomo=20
get majordomo-digest 001=20
.=20
$ mail=20
=46rom james@krishna.kovaiteam.com Thu May 22 16:24:50 IST 2003=20
Received: (from daemon@localhost)=20
        by krishna.kovaiteam.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3) id QAA25232;=20
        Thu, 22 May 2003 16:24:50 +0530 (IST)=20
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:24:50 +0530 (IST)=20
From: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Message-Id: <200305221054.QAA25232@krishna.kovaiteam.com>=20
To: albert@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Subject: Majordomo results=20
Reply-To: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20

--=20

>>>> get majordomo-digest 001=20
List 'majordomo-digest' file '001'=20
is being sent as a separate message.=20
>>>>=20

? d=20
=46rom james@krishna.kovaiteam.com Thu May 22 16:24:50 IST 2003=20
Received: (from daemon@localhost)=20
        by krishna.kovaiteam.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3) id QAA25233;=20
        Thu, 22 May 2003 16:24:50 +0530 (IST)=20
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:24:50 +0530 (IST)=20
From: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Message-Id: <200305221054.QAA25233@krishna.kovaiteam.com>=20
To: albert@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Subject: Majordomo file: list 'majordomo-digest' file '001'=20
Reply-To: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20

--=20

>From james@krishna.kovaiteam.com  Thu May 22 16:11:23 2003=20
Received: (from albert@localhost)=20
        by krishna.kovaiteam.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3) id QAA14397=20
        for majordomo-users1; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:11:23 +0530 (IST)=20
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:11:23 +0530 (IST)=20
From: albert@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Message-Id: <200305221041.QAA14397@krishna.kovaiteam.com>=20

Welcome!=20
=20=20

? d=20
$=20

Retriving archive:=20

$ mail=20
=46rom james@krishna.kovaiteam.com Thu May 22 16:28:28 IST 2003=20
Received: (from daemon@localhost)=20
        by krishna.kovaiteam.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3) id QAA25323;=20
        Thu, 22 May 2003 16:28:28 +0530 (IST)=20
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:28:28 +0530 (IST)=20
From: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Message-Id: <200305221058.QAA25323@krishna.kovaiteam.com>=20
To: albert@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Subject: Majordomo results=20
Reply-To: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20

--=20

>>>> index majordomo-archive=20
total 16=20
-rw-rw-r--   1 daemon     daemon         730 May 22 16:11 majordomo.archive=
.0305=20
>>>>=20

? d=20
$ mail majordomo=20
get majordomo-archive majordomo.archive.0305=20
.=20
$=20

$ mail=20
=46rom james@krishna.kovaiteam.com Thu May 22 16:31:50 IST 2003=20
Received: (from daemon@localhost)=20
        by krishna.kovaiteam.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3) id QAA25414;=20
        Thu, 22 May 2003 16:31:49 +0530 (IST)=20
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:31:49 +0530 (IST)=20
From: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Message-Id: <200305221101.QAA25414@krishna.kovaiteam.com>=20
To: albert@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Subject: Majordomo results=20
Reply-To: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20

--=20

>>>> get majordomo-archive majordomo.archive.0305=20
List 'majordomo-archive' file 'majordomo.archive.0305'=20
is being sent as a separate message.=20
>>>>=20

? d=20
=46rom james@krishna.kovaiteam.com Thu May 22 16:31:49 IST 2003=20
Received: (from daemon@localhost)=20
        by krishna.kovaiteam.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3) id QAA25415;=20
        Thu, 22 May 2003 16:31:49 +0530 (IST)=20
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:31:49 +0530 (IST)=20
From: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Message-Id: <200305221101.QAA25415@krishna.kovaiteam.com>=20
To: albert@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Subject: Majordomo file: list 'majordomo-archive' file 'majordomo.archive.0=
305'=20
Reply-To: james@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20

--=20

>From james@krishna.kovaiteam.com  Thu May 22 16:11:23 2003=20
Received: (from albert@localhost)=20
        by krishna.kovaiteam.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3) id QAA14397=20
        for majordomo-users1; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:11:23 +0530 (IST)=20
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:11:23 +0530 (IST)=20
From: albert@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Message-Id: <200305221041.QAA14397@krishna.kovaiteam.com>=20

Welcome!=20
=20=20

>From james@krishna.kovaiteam.com  Thu May 22 16:11:32 2003=20
Received: (from albert@localhost)=20
        by krishna.kovaiteam.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3) id QAA14410=20
        for majordomo-users1; Thu, 22 May 2003 16:11:32 +0530 (IST)=20
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:11:32 +0530 (IST)=20
From: albert@krishna.kovaiteam.com=20
Message-Id: <200305221041.QAA14410@krishna.kovaiteam.com>=20

TEST=20

? d=20
$=20


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From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Tue Dec 30 09:18:16 2003
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From: "Colin Beveridge" <Colin.Beveridge@oncoms.com>
To: "Durai" <visolve_majordomo@lycos.co.uk>,
	<Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com>, "Nelson Weiderman" <nhw@ids.net>
Subject: Re: digests
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:18:37 -0000
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Many thanks to all who offered me advice and information about majordomo
digests.

Unfortunately, after much hair-tearing, I have now abandoned my quest as the
hosting company support team simply refuse to activate the required smrsh
link for the digest.

So, I can have any number of regular majordomo lists - but no digests. Their
position is that providing the smrsh link would complicate their standard
virtual server build (which includes majordomo and the smrsh link for
"wrapper") and would also represent a security risk by using a non-standard
link.

The principal consequence is, of course, that I have just canned my reseller
account with the hosting service ;-)

ColinB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com
> [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com]On Behalf Of Durai
> Sent: 30 December 2003 17:02
> To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com; Nelson Weiderman
> Subject: Re: digests
>
>
> Hi,
>         To create digest & archives, I used the method which is in
> attachment:
>         Hope this may be useful.
> Regs,
> Durai.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:32 PM
> Subject: digests
>
>
> >
> > I asked a question about digests a couple of weeks ago that
> > got no responses.  Is that because digests don't work at all?
> > Or because few people use them?  I also tried a webhosting
> > forum without any responses.  So what's the story with digests
> > on MD?
> >
> > N.
> >
>
>
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The 2 messages missing were just specific to Sarah's aliases file,
and my explanation of those aliases, but the list was not CC'd.

The most important thing in trying to restrict_post, is that your
sendmail configuration is not giving away the direct name of your
list's -outgoing alias.  As in the September thread, Sarah's users
were writing directly to test-list@her.domain rather than test.
This was bypassing all majordomo settings and policies, and sendmail
was happy to forward mail to the entire alias.

Start by enabling the virtusertable in sendmail.cf

# Virtual user table (maps incoming users)
Kvirtuser hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable

And follow up with telling sendmail not to accept email to your
list's -outgoing address by adding the address to virtusertable.

listname-outgoing<space><tab>error:nouser User unknown

Now, in your aliases file, you want to make sure sendmail is not
advertising your -outgoing alias in the message headers when the
list email is being distributed.  That is the reason for the
",nobody" portion of the resend alias for the list.

Lastly, the simple part.  In the listname.config file;

restrict_post = listname

As for the -archiver and -digestify aliases, if you are not using
these features, you do not need the aliases for them.  If you do
decide to create the aliases (and file system directories), they
will be dormant/unused until called into action with the -outgoing
alias for the list.

The right hand side of an alias can contain multiple recipients.
Just add the -archiver and -digestify aliases to the recipient
list for the -outgoing alias, and they will be activated.

Have a look at my Archive/Digest How-To if you decide to use these.
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/archive-Digest-HOW-TO.1

To help automate creation of virtusertable, aliases entries, and
file system directories, you might also be interested in this;
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/listadd4.pl.gz
listadd5 to be released today or tomorrow.

Dan Liston


Dolores McLaughlin wrote:

> Dan,
> Pardon me for contacting you directly, rather than through the list. 
> I've been lurking for a couple of weeks and I have been using the 
> archives as a tutorial as I am working through installing Majordomo 
> and setting up lists. 
> 
> I was reading a thread "Urgent, please help" in the Sept. 2003 
> archives which deals with my current issue, restricting posting to list 
> members only.
> 
> There are two messages in the thread which are not available. I'm 
> hesitant to just jump in and make the changes to my config files not 
> knowing if there is something of vital importance that is in those two 
> missing messages. If I follow your first reply will I be missing 
> anything?  Also, I currently don't have a 'test-digestify' or a 'test-
> archiver' alias.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer.
> 
> Regards,
> Dolores McLaughlin


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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:08 -0600, Daniel Liston wrote:

> The 2 messages missing were just specific to Sarah's aliases file,
> and my explanation of those aliases, but the list was not CC'd.
> [snip]
> Have a look at my Archive/Digest How-To if you decide to use these.
> ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/archive-Digest-HOW-TO.1

Dan, that's revision 1.  You posted revision 2 to the list on Thu, 19 Jun
2003.  Is there reason for folks to use #1 rather than #2?  (I've never
bothered to compare the two because my config is working, so for all I
know #1 & #2 are identical)

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The last few times I tried to post/repost this to majordomo-users
and majordomo-docs lists, it either
1) never made it to the list, or
2) got caught in some filter and was never distributed.

I just sent revision 2.2 without any bounce messages.  Basically,
I cleaned up or clarified some items, corrected typos, and in
general made the doc easier to follow and understand.

Dan Liston


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Now I am even talking to myself.  I sent the message below after
submitting the latest HOW-TO.  This message was distributed, but
the HOW-TO was not.  Please also note the content of the quoted
message.  Am I hitting a size barrier?  For the last several MONTHS
that I have been trying to update HOW-TOs sent to the list, the
messages are not getting through.

Daniel Liston wrote:
> The last few times I tried to post/repost this to majordomo-users
> and majordomo-docs lists, it either
> 1) never made it to the list, or
> 2) got caught in some filter and was never distributed.
> 
> I just sent revision 2.2 without any bounce messages.  Basically,
> I cleaned up or clarified some items, corrected typos, and in
> general made the doc easier to follow and understand.
> 
> Dan Liston


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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:50 -0600, Daniel Liston wrote to MAJORDOMO-USERS:

> The last few times I tried to post/repost this to majordomo-users
> and majordomo-docs lists, it either
> 1) never made it to the list, or
> 2) got caught in some filter and was never distributed.
>
> I just sent revision 2.2 without any bounce messages.  Basically,
> I cleaned up or clarified some items, corrected typos, and in
> general made the doc easier to follow and understand.
>
> Dan Liston

Last one I saw was Revision 2, last June.  If you've just posted 2.2, it
didn't make it to the list (or at least not to me).

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Perhaps you can put it up on the FTP-server.  Folks can grab it from 
there along with any needed patches.


Daniel Liston wrote:

> Now I am even talking to myself.  I sent the message below after
> submitting the latest HOW-TO.  This message was distributed, but
> the HOW-TO was not.  Please also note the content of the quoted
> message.  Am I hitting a size barrier?  For the last several MONTHS
> that I have been trying to update HOW-TOs sent to the list, the
> messages are not getting through.
>
> Daniel Liston wrote:
>
>> The last few times I tried to post/repost this to majordomo-users
>> and majordomo-docs lists, it either
>> 1) never made it to the list, or
>> 2) got caught in some filter and was never distributed.
>>
>> I just sent revision 2.2 without any bounce messages.  Basically,
>> I cleaned up or clarified some items, corrected typos, and in
>> general made the doc easier to follow and understand.
>>
>> Dan Liston
>
>
>


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To: Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org>
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Daniel Liston wrote:

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:55:27 -0600
> From: Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org>
> To: MAJORDOMO-USERS <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>,
     Owner-majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: Archive/Digest HOW-TO (revision 2.1)
> 
> Now I am even talking to myself.  I sent the message below after
> submitting the latest HOW-TO.  This message was distributed, but
> the HOW-TO was not.  Please also note the content of the quoted
> message.  Am I hitting a size barrier?  For the last several MONTHS
> that I have been trying to update HOW-TOs sent to the list, the
> messages are not getting through.

If your like, you can put it up for FTP download at:

  ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/

Choose any one of these ways:

 . Attach it to an email to ftp@ftp.ccsf.org
 . Attach it to an email to majordomo-patches@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us
 . Upload it to ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/incoming and notify ftp@ftp.ccsf.org


Regards,

Joe
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> Daniel Liston wrote:
> > The last few times I tried to post/repost this to majordomo-users
> > and majordomo-docs lists, it either
> > 1) never made it to the list, or
> > 2) got caught in some filter and was never distributed.
> > 
> > I just sent revision 2.2 without any bounce messages.  Basically,
> > I cleaned up or clarified some items, corrected typos, and in
> > general made the doc easier to follow and understand.
> > 
> > Dan Liston


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Thanks for the assist Joe,

For the majordomo-users list members, if you are interested in
viewing, downloading, or critiqueing version 2.2 of this doc;

ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/
then click on Archive-Digest.HOW-TO.2-2

Dan Liston

Joe R. Jah wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
> 
>>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:55:27 -0600
>>From: Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org>
>>To: MAJORDOMO-USERS <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>,
> 
>      Owner-majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> 
>>Subject: Re: Archive/Digest HOW-TO (revision 2.1)
>>
>>Now I am even talking to myself.  I sent the message below after
>>submitting the latest HOW-TO.  This message was distributed, but
>>the HOW-TO was not.  Please also note the content of the quoted
>>message.  Am I hitting a size barrier?  For the last several MONTHS
>>that I have been trying to update HOW-TOs sent to the list, the
>>messages are not getting through.
> 
> 
> If your like, you can put it up for FTP download at:
> 
>   ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/
> 
> Choose any one of these ways:
> 
>  . Attach it to an email to ftp@ftp.ccsf.org
>  . Attach it to an email to majordomo-patches@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us
>  . Upload it to ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/incoming and notify ftp@ftp.ccsf.org
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Joe