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What is involved with moving a list from one server to another? What files besides the config file need to be moved?
 
Mike



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<DIV>What is involved with moving a list from one server to another? What files besides the config file need to be moved?</DIV>
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When should I do this?

-Tai

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org>
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> It sounds like you do not need majordomo at all.  Are you using majordomo
> for new subscriptions?  If you are managing the subscriber list manually
> like that, you can send emails to the members without using majordomo.
>
> To answer your question, the fastest way to clear out the subscriber list
> is by logging into the majordomo machine and issuing a shell command;
>
>  > /path/to/majordomo/lists/listname
>
> Dan Liston
>
> PS, the greater-than sign above is literal.
>
> Tai Tran wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I would like to know what is the best way to clear the list of
subscriber
> > email addresses after I send out an email to all the subscribers? How I
can
> > determine how much of a list is left to be sent and when it is done?
> >
> > I use Majordomo just to process my weekly newsletter, so I disabled all
the
> > features/functions of Majordomo to not allow anyone to sends,
subscribes,
> > queries, etc... to Majordomo. What I do is every week I pass the list of
all
> > the subscriber email addresses to Majordomo together with my newsletter
but
> > I don't want to leave the list of emails there, I want to clean it as
soon
> > as the mailing is complete.
> >
> > Can someone help me...? Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -Tai
>


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This depends on whether or not you are still using majordomo on the
destination/target server.  You will definately need your subscriber
file, possibly any unsent digest queues, your list archives, and the
aliases for your list.  If majordomo is in a different directory on
the new server, the aliases will need to be modified to match this
location too.

Considering the possibility for landing on a hosted server/domain,
you will probably need virtusertable entries for your list too.

Dan Liston

Michael Ault wrote:
> What is involved with moving a list from one server to another? What 
> files besides the config file need to be moved?
>  
> Mike
> 
> 
> ----------------------
> 
> Michael R. Ault
> 
> CEO Robo-Books International
> 
> www.robonerd.com <http://www.robonerd.com>
> 
> 770-754-9057 (office)
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Thanks Daniel,
 
I am still finding out if the new server has Majordomo. They haven't used the list capability so I will probably end up setting it up if it is.
 
Mike

Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org> wrote:
This depends on whether or not you are still using majordomo on the
destination/target server. You will definately need your subscriber
file, possibly any unsent digest queues, your list archives, and the
aliases for your list. If majordomo is in a different directory on
the new server, the aliases will need to be modified to match this
location too.

Considering the possibility for landing on a hosted server/domain,
you will probably need virtusertable entries for your list too.

Dan Liston

Michael Ault wrote:
> What is involved with moving a list from one server to another? What 
> files besides the config file need to be moved?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> ----------------------
> 
> Michael R. Ault
> 
> CEO Robo-Books International
> 
> www.robonerd.com 
> 
> 770-754-9057 (office)
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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<DIV>Thanks Daniel,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am still finding out if the new server has Majordomo. They haven't used the list capability so I will probably end up setting it up if it is.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Daniel Liston &lt;dliston@sonny.org&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">This depends on whether or not you are still using majordomo on the<BR>destination/target server. You will definately need your subscriber<BR>file, possibly any unsent digest queues, your list archives, and the<BR>aliases for your list. If majordomo is in a different directory on<BR>the new server, the aliases will need to be modified to match this<BR>location too.<BR><BR>Considering the possibility for landing on a hosted server/domain,<BR>you will probably need virtusertable entries for your list too.<BR><BR>Dan Liston<BR><BR>Michael Ault wrote:<BR>&gt; What is involved with moving a list from one server to another? What <BR>&gt; files besides the config file need to be moved?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Mike<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ----------------------<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Michael R. Ault<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; CEO Robo-Books International<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; www.robonerd.com <HTTP:
 www.robonerd.com><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 770-754-9057 (office)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>&gt; Do you Yahoo!?<BR>&gt; Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now <BR>&gt; <HTTP: companion.yahoo.com *http: mailtag slv us.rd.yahoo.com /><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><P>----------------------</P>
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Hi everyone,

I have installed majordomo (version 1.94.5) on my RH linux box
(version 9 which use sendmail as MTA) and I use the webmin package to
administrate the majordomo package.
I can create mail list and add members to it, but the problem is that
while the majordomo execute the commands (i.e. add a member, remove a
member, etc) it doesn't seem to be working because I do not
send/receive any emails (suscribe, approve, etc.).

I don't know what I have done wrong, please help me find out what is
wrong.

Thanks.

Below is the content that I have gathered from several files on my
server.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the /etc/aliases file:
majordomo-owner: ofall
owner-majordomo: ofall
majordomo: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"
technical-support: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper resend -l
technical-support technical-support-list",technical-support-ar
chive
technical-support-archive: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper
archive2.pl -f /usr/local/bin/majordomo/lists/technical-support.
archive/archive -M -a"
technical-support-list:
:include:/usr/local/bin/majordomo/lists/technical-support
owner-technical-support: ofall@antg.com
technical-support-owner: ofall@antg.com
technical-support-approval: ofall@antg.com
technical-support-request: "|/usr/local/bin/majordomo/wrapper
majordomo -l technical-support"

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the /usr/local/bin/majordomo/Log file:
Nov 27 17:46:30 antg.com majordomo[5749] {ofall@antg.com} approve
PASSWORD subscribe technical-support diambar@hotmail.com
Nov 27 17:46:30 antg.com majordomo[5749] {ofall@antg.com} subscribe
technical-support diambar@hotmail.com
Nov 27 18:30:50 antg.com majordomo[6038] {ofall@antg.com} approve
PASSWORD unsubscribe technical-support diambar@hotmail.com
Nov 27 18:30:50 antg.com majordomo[6038] {ofall@antg.com} unsubscribe
technical-support diambar@hotmail.com

which means that it has fisrt successfully added the
diambar@hotmail.com user, then later removed it from the
/usr/local/bin/majordomo/lists/technical-support file

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relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection
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delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=30495,
relay=mx4.hotmail.com. [65.54.167.230], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (
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mailer=relay, pri=4440117, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
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to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=2+02:17:52, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=4620126, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
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stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
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mailer=relay, pri=6510109, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 18:35:41 216-166-233-70 sendmail[6055]: hARNZfab006055:
from=<diambar@hotmail.com>, size=796, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<BAY1-F147e0PaLI9mK600000342@hotmail.com>, proto=ESMTP,
daemon=MTA, relay=bay1-f147.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.245.147]
Nov 27 19:00:50 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hARMkUHj005752:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=01:14:20, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay,
pri=210117, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection
timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:00:51 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hARKsGNW004723:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=03:06:35, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay,
pri=390129, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection
timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:29 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAPNlQbP029446:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=2+00:14:03, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=4440122, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:30 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAPMieap028932:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=2+01:16:50, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=4530117, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:33 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAPKhdO9028087:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=2+03:17:54, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=4710126, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:34 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAPJDhA3027552:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=2+04:47:51, xdelay=00:00:00,
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stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:34 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAPJcXAj027696:
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stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]
Nov 27 19:01:50 216-166-233-70 sm-msp-queue[6435]: hAONNsYD023434:
to=diambar@hotmail.com, delay=3+00:37:56, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=6600109, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with [127.0.0.1]


Omar FALL

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I would assume from the /var/log/maillog that the sendmail message
submission program is blocking the outgoing messages.

You need to start your diagnostic with the submit.cf and sendmail.cf
files.  Do they trust majordomo?  Is sendmail listening on the loop
back (localhost) address?

Dan Liston

Omar Fall wrote:

> member, etc) it doesn't seem to be working because I do not
> send/receive any emails (suscribe, approve, etc.).
> 
> I don't know what I have done wrong, please help me find out what is
> wrong.



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I asked a question about digests a couple of weeks ago that
got no responses.  Is that because digests don't work at all?
Or because few people use them?  I also tried a webhosting
forum without any responses.  So what's the story with digests
on MD?

N.

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We have a case here of a user that posts to a particular list but the 
messages don't go through all the time.   The list is not restricted, so 
anyone can post to it and there are no bounces to the owner (namely, 
me).     The message doesnt even bounce to the user, it just goes off 
into cyber-space somewhere.   We have lots of lists on the system, but 
all the others seem to work fine.

One thing I did notice was that the user sends messages with different 
"priority" levels using Netscape mail client.  Maybe thats a problem?

Any ideas?

This is Majordomo 1.94.5 with sendmail 8.11


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I found this message dated Mon, 22 May 2000 that *kinda* addresses what
seems to be a very popular question.  But doesn't finish the answer.
When commenting out the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; I get simply "John
Burton [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com]"
When modifying the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; to "print OUT "Sender:
SomeName\n"; I continue to get the dreaded "on behalf of" entry.=20
(SomeName@my-modified-address.com; on behalf of; John Burton
[john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com])
Is there a line to completely strip out the originators name/e-mail address
thereby solving completely the question?
Thanks SO much...


Quote-------------
> Is there a way to kill off the Sender: header totally from within
 > majordomo? Does majordomo generate this header or is it sendmail?
 > I dont need the Sender header in my environment basically.=20

Mike, Always! Escpecially when you have source code. Look at your resend
perl script, and comment out the line that says;
print OUT "Sender: $sender\n";=20
That should do what you are looking for. Be warned, I have not looked deeply
into the code for dependencies on this header line. If it still shows up
after modifying resend, then sendmail is doing something. Dan Liston=20
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john burton
Bach 50B3
Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra
South Charleston, West Virginia



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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">I found this message dated Mon, 22 May 2000 that *k=
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<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">When modifying the &quot;print OUT &quot;Sender: $=
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hn Burton [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com])</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Is there a line to completely strip out the origin=
ators name/e-mail address thereby solving completely the question?</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks SO much...</FONT>
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<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; Is there a way to kill off the Sender: header=
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&nbsp;&gt; majordomo? Does majordomo generate this header or is it sendmail=
?<BR>
&nbsp;&gt; I dont need the Sender header in my environment basically.<BR>
<BR>
Mike, Always! Escpecially when you have source code. Look at your resend pe=
rl script, and comment out the line that says;</FONT></P>

<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">print OUT &quot;Sender: $sender\n&quot;; </FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">That should do what you are looking for. Be warned=
, I have not looked deeply into the code for dependencies on this header li=
ne. If it still shows up after modifying resend, then sendmail is doing som=
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" FACE=3D"Arial">john burton</FONT>

<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Bach 50B3</FONT>

<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Bass Trombone, Charlest=
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All, 

My hosting company is using Majordomo 1.94.5 but it has been configured to dis-allow attachments.  It there someway for me to override this?  I would like to allow attachments to my lists.  Thanks.

-Mike

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Nelson Weiderman wrote:

> 
> I've spend the better part of a day trying to get digests to work
> on my RAQ4 without any success.  I've read the man page, the quick
> digest setup, the README.digest, and the FAQ.  I want to use the
> -digest form rather than the standalone form.  I am ignoring the
> Cobalt Admin interface and doing this with the config files.
> 
> Here are three problems that I think are relevant:
> 
> 1.  Inconsistent documentation:
> 
> In the man file it says "the archive directory will be:
> /usr/local/mail/lists/banjo-digest.archive
> 
> -- but in the quick digest setup it says --
> 
> /usr/local/mail/files/banjo-digest.archive
> 
> Which is it?  I'm suspecting that it should be the latter.

The correct location is dependent on your $filedir and $filedir_suffix
settings in the majordomo.cf file.

> 
> 2.  When trying to define the -digest config file, it is not
> clear whether you need to define the key "digest_work_directory",
> which has the ominous warning "Don't change this unless you know
> what your are doing".

Once this is defined in majordomo.cf, you should not try to set it
in the individual listname.config files.

> 
> And when I do send a newconfig with this line:
> 
> digest_work_dir     = /usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests
> 
> the config is accepted, but if I try the directory I really want:
> 
> digest_work_dir     = 
> /usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest

Almost, digest_work_dir is correct in the first instance above.  You or
a script must create the subdirectory, AND a digest archive directory.

> 
> I get:
> The new config file for list-digest was NOT accepted because:
> unknown key |/usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest|
> in file list-digest.new.config at line 169
> 
> I've even tried moving the directory to the next line, without change.
> 
> 3.  For historical reasons my list is named "list" and my list digest
> is named "list-digest".  I did not see any prohibitions on this, but
> you never know.
> 
> I've created the aliases as describe in the quick setup, and added them
> to the aliases.majordomo and executed newaliases (neither of which is
> specified in the quick setup, by the way).
> 
> To date, I cannot get any submissions to my list to go into the
> work directory.  Any help or pointers on troubleshooting this would be
> appreciated.
> 
> Nelson Weiderman

Have you seen my recipe for digests and archives posted about twice a
year to this list?  I just reposted it.

Have you tried the newlist3.pl script I wrote to automate creation of
lists, including archives and digests?  Here is the URL;

ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/0ld/newlist3.pl.gz

or the newer version, but renamed to listadd.pl
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/listadd4.pl.gz

Dan Liston


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I have Netscape 7.1 as my mail client, and set this reply to
"high" priority.  If this message disappears, you may be onto
something.

Dan Liston

Greg Dec wrote:

> 
> We have a case here of a user that posts to a particular list but the 
> messages don't go through all the time.   The list is not restricted, so 
> anyone can post to it and there are no bounces to the owner (namely, 
> me).     The message doesnt even bounce to the user, it just goes off 
> into cyber-space somewhere.   We have lots of lists on the system, but 
> all the others seem to work fine.
> 
> One thing I did notice was that the user sends messages with different 
> "priority" levels using Netscape mail client.  Maybe thats a problem?
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> This is Majordomo 1.94.5 with sendmail 8.11
> 
> 


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I grep'd all the scripts in the majordomo directory for "Sender:",
and found the string at line #387 of config-test, line #246 of
digest, and line #749 of resend.

If line #749 of resend is commented out by prefixing the line with #,
I do not see any way that majordomo can be responsible for the header
line appearing to Outlook or any other MUA.

Dan Liston

John Burton wrote:

> I found this message dated Mon, 22 May 2000 that *kinda* addresses what 
> seems to be a very popular question.  But doesn't finish the answer.
> 
> When commenting out the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; I get simply 
> "John Burton [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com]"

What do you mean by the above?  If John Burton sent the message, that
is the "From:" address.  Majordomo, or any list it manages, does not
create mail.  It must come /From/ some human.

> When modifying the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; to "print OUT 
> "Sender: SomeName\n"; I continue to get the dreaded "on behalf of" entry.

This is what "OUTLOOK" does to interpret the "Sender:" header.  IF
Sender: appears in the headers at all, Outlook will insert "on behalf of".

> 
> (SomeName@my-modified-address.com; on behalf of; John Burton 
> [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com])
> Is there a line to completely strip out the originators name/e-mail 
> address thereby solving completely the question?
> Thanks SO much...

What you are looking for is an anonymous remailer.  The only way I can
think of to make this work in majordomo is to have a moderated list,
which means all messages are processed by hand and approved with a
munged header that only the moderator can send back into the list.

Dan Liston


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You can start by setting your listname.config file to allow message
sizes larger than 40000 bytes.  If that does not work, try finding
a new provider.  Better yet, why use email or a list manager to send
a file?  Wouldn't life be MUCH easier if you just uploaded the file
to an ftp site and posted the URL to the site/file in an email?

Dan Liston

Bulk Mail wrote:

> All, 
> 
> My hosting company is using Majordomo 1.94.5 but it has been configured to dis-allow attachments.  It there someway for me to override this?  I would like to allow attachments to my lists.  Thanks.
> 
> -Mike


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Thanks Dan, for your input.  I didn't see any other way either.=20=20

My the desired goal is that messages processed thru MD show as simply "From:
ListName@HostName.Domain.

The reply feature would (obviously) point to the list vice the original
author.

Since in my particular case there would be but one author, I don't see it as
quite the "giant" issue.  Mayhaps an anonymous remailer would be a better
product for my particular mission.  Frankly, I hadn't thought of that
solution!

Thank you!  You've been a help!

Back to lurking..

~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=
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john burton
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]=20
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 2:44 AM
> To: John Burton
> Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
> Subject: Re: Removing the dreaded "On Behalf of" in MS Outlook
>=20
>=20
> I grep'd all the scripts in the majordomo directory for=20
> "Sender:", and found the string at line #387 of config-test,=20
> line #246 of digest, and line #749 of resend.
>=20
> If line #749 of resend is commented out by prefixing the line=20
> with #, I do not see any way that majordomo can be=20
> responsible for the header line appearing to Outlook or any other MUA.
>=20
> Dan Liston
>=20
> John Burton wrote:
>=20
> > I found this message dated Mon, 22 May 2000 that *kinda* addresses=20
> > what
> > seems to be a very popular question.  But doesn't finish the answer.
> >=20
> > When commenting out the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; I get simply
> > "John Burton [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com]"
>=20
> What do you mean by the above?  If John Burton sent the=20
> message, that is the "From:" address.  Majordomo, or any list=20
> it manages, does not create mail.  It must come /From/ some human.
>=20
> > When modifying the "print OUT "Sender: $sender\n"; to "print OUT
> > "Sender: SomeName\n"; I continue to get the dreaded "on=20
> behalf of" entry.
>=20
> This is what "OUTLOOK" does to interpret the "Sender:" header.  IF
> Sender: appears in the headers at all, Outlook will insert=20
> "on behalf of".
>=20
> >=20
> > (SomeName@my-modified-address.com; on behalf of; John Burton
> > [john.burton@sandbox.dynip.com])
> > Is there a line to completely strip out the originators name/e-mail=20
> > address thereby solving completely the question?
> > Thanks SO much...
>=20
> What you are looking for is an anonymous remailer.  The only=20
> way I can think of to make this work in majordomo is to have=20
> a moderated list, which means all messages are processed by=20
> hand and approved with a munged header that only the=20
> moderator can send back into the list.
>=20
> Dan Liston
>=20


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Hi,
(I'm a newbee)
I am having some problems configuring majordomo with qmail.  I'm trying to set 
up just on list but only want to have one public email address.  I'm using 
procmail to sort incoming emails (see 
http://users.pandora.be/sim/linux/mailinglist.htm ) for my notes I'm on what 
I'm doing.  My problem is that I need to set resend_host to two different 
values at the same time!

Currently $whereami is set to my own computer on the domain I call my home 
network, but unknown to the Internet.  This makes sense as all the majordomo 
mails need to be delivered locally to me and not sent to my ISP.  However, if 
a user subscribes to my group, when the welcome message is sent out it goes 
out with

Return-path: LIST@private.domain

and that is being rejected by the SMTP server of my ISP.

I've tried playing around with resend_host but that has not helped.  I suspect 
the welcome message is not sent by resend at all.  If I set $whereami to my 
ISP's domain then the welcome message goes out but the confirmation of 
subscription is sent to LIST-owner@ISP and that's not a known address.

Is there some way around this?
Sim


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Thanks, Dan and David, for your help.  But David was right about
Cobalts being "strange beasts."  For one thing there is no
majordomo user, so many of the assumptions in Dan's guide
do not pan out.  His perl script does not even recognize that MD
is installed on my server.

So unless somebody on this list has done digests for Cobalt,
I think I will abandon the project.  I don't want to risk breaking
the Cobalt interface and being unable to recover.

Thanks again,
Nelson

At 1:10 AM -0600 12/4/03, Daniel Liston wrote:
>Nelson Weiderman wrote:
>
>>
>>I've spend the better part of a day trying to get digests to work
>>on my RAQ4 without any success.  I've read the man page, the quick
>>digest setup, the README.digest, and the FAQ.  I want to use the
>>-digest form rather than the standalone form.  I am ignoring the
>>Cobalt Admin interface and doing this with the config files.
>>
>>Here are three problems that I think are relevant:
>>
>>1.  Inconsistent documentation:
>>
>>In the man file it says "the archive directory will be:
>>/usr/local/mail/lists/banjo-digest.archive
>>
>>-- but in the quick digest setup it says --
>>
>>/usr/local/mail/files/banjo-digest.archive
>>
>>Which is it?  I'm suspecting that it should be the latter.
>
>The correct location is dependent on your $filedir and $filedir_suffix
>settings in the majordomo.cf file.
>
>>
>>2.  When trying to define the -digest config file, it is not
>>clear whether you need to define the key "digest_work_directory",
>>which has the ominous warning "Don't change this unless you know
>>what your are doing".
>
>Once this is defined in majordomo.cf, you should not try to set it
>in the individual listname.config files.
>
>>
>>And when I do send a newconfig with this line:
>>
>>digest_work_dir     = /usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests
>>
>>the config is accepted, but if I try the directory I really want:
>>
>>digest_work_dir     = 
>>/usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest
>
>Almost, digest_work_dir is correct in the first instance above.  You or
>a script must create the subdirectory, AND a digest archive directory.
>
>>
>>I get:
>>The new config file for list-digest was NOT accepted because:
>>unknown key |/usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest|
>>in file list-digest.new.config at line 169
>>
>>I've even tried moving the directory to the next line, without change.
>>
>>3.  For historical reasons my list is named "list" and my list digest
>>is named "list-digest".  I did not see any prohibitions on this, but
>>you never know.
>>
>>I've created the aliases as describe in the quick setup, and added them
>>to the aliases.majordomo and executed newaliases (neither of which is
>>specified in the quick setup, by the way).
>>
>>To date, I cannot get any submissions to my list to go into the
>>work directory.  Any help or pointers on troubleshooting this would be
>>appreciated.
>>
>>Nelson Weiderman
>
>Have you seen my recipe for digests and archives posted about twice a
>year to this list?  I just reposted it.
>
>Have you tried the newlist3.pl script I wrote to automate creation of
>lists, including archives and digests?  Here is the URL;
>
>ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/0ld/newlist3.pl.gz
>
>or the newer version, but renamed to listadd.pl
>ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/listadd4.pl.gz
>
>Dan Liston


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If majordomo is in /usr/local/majordomo, try grep'ing
the /etc/passwd file for that directory to find the
majordomo user.  I am working on a new version of my
script that also does this.

Based on the $digest_work_dir, $filedir, and
$filedir_suffix, as well as ownerships and permissions
on files in the majordomo and lists directories, I am
sure we can discover the requirements to make digests
work.

As far as the interface goes. I have heard of people
successfully managing majordomo with webmin, but have
never personally done anything majordomo related through
any interface other than the unix shell prompt.

Dan Liston

Nelson Weiderman wrote:

> 
> Thanks, Dan and David, for your help.  But David was right about
> Cobalts being "strange beasts."  For one thing there is no
> majordomo user, so many of the assumptions in Dan's guide
> do not pan out.  His perl script does not even recognize that MD
> is installed on my server.
> 
> So unless somebody on this list has done digests for Cobalt,
> I think I will abandon the project.  I don't want to risk breaking
> the Cobalt interface and being unable to recover.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Nelson
> 
> At 1:10 AM -0600 12/4/03, Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
>> Nelson Weiderman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've spend the better part of a day trying to get digests to work
>>> on my RAQ4 without any success.  I've read the man page, the quick
>>> digest setup, the README.digest, and the FAQ.  I want to use the
>>> -digest form rather than the standalone form.  I am ignoring the
>>> Cobalt Admin interface and doing this with the config files.
>>>
>>> Here are three problems that I think are relevant:
>>>
>>> 1.  Inconsistent documentation:
>>>
>>> In the man file it says "the archive directory will be:
>>> /usr/local/mail/lists/banjo-digest.archive
>>>
>>> -- but in the quick digest setup it says --
>>>
>>> /usr/local/mail/files/banjo-digest.archive
>>>
>>> Which is it?  I'm suspecting that it should be the latter.
>>
>>
>> The correct location is dependent on your $filedir and $filedir_suffix
>> settings in the majordomo.cf file.
>>
>>>
>>> 2.  When trying to define the -digest config file, it is not
>>> clear whether you need to define the key "digest_work_directory",
>>> which has the ominous warning "Don't change this unless you know
>>> what your are doing".
>>
>>
>> Once this is defined in majordomo.cf, you should not try to set it
>> in the individual listname.config files.
>>
>>>
>>> And when I do send a newconfig with this line:
>>>
>>> digest_work_dir     = /usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests
>>>
>>> the config is accepted, but if I try the directory I really want:
>>>
>>> digest_work_dir     = 
>>> /usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest
>>
>>
>> Almost, digest_work_dir is correct in the first instance above.  You or
>> a script must create the subdirectory, AND a digest archive directory.
>>
>>>
>>> I get:
>>> The new config file for list-digest was NOT accepted because:
>>> unknown key 
>>> |/usr/local/majordomo/www.noeticharbor.com/digests/list-digest|
>>> in file list-digest.new.config at line 169
>>>
>>> I've even tried moving the directory to the next line, without change.
>>>
>>> 3.  For historical reasons my list is named "list" and my list digest
>>> is named "list-digest".  I did not see any prohibitions on this, but
>>> you never know.
>>>
>>> I've created the aliases as describe in the quick setup, and added them
>>> to the aliases.majordomo and executed newaliases (neither of which is
>>> specified in the quick setup, by the way).
>>>
>>> To date, I cannot get any submissions to my list to go into the
>>> work directory.  Any help or pointers on troubleshooting this would be
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Nelson Weiderman
>>
>>
>> Have you seen my recipe for digests and archives posted about twice a
>> year to this list?  I just reposted it.
>>
>> Have you tried the newlist3.pl script I wrote to automate creation of
>> lists, including archives and digests?  Here is the URL;
>>
>> ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/0ld/newlist3.pl.gz
>>
>> or the newer version, but renamed to listadd.pl
>> ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/listadd4.pl.gz
>>
>> Dan Liston


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I am having a problem with Majordomo not liking capital letters in group
names.
Has anyone run into this before ?

Thanks

Bob

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The names may be capital in the aliases file, but on the disk file system
they must be lower case.

Dan Liston

Bob MacMunn wrote:

> I am having a problem with Majordomo not liking capital letters in group
> names.
> Has anyone run into this before ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bob


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On Friday 05 December 2003 06:20 pm, Daniel Liston wrote:
> The names may be capital in the aliases file, but on the disk file system
> they must be lower case.
>
> Dan Liston
>
> Bob MacMunn wrote:
> > I am having a problem with Majordomo not liking capital letters in group
> > names.
> > Has anyone run into this before ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bob

I was curious about the CAPS would you mind explaining the aliases files 
versus the disk file system?

Thanks,

-- 
Jack Gates
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Greenville, SC 29607
www.morningstarwebservices.net

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Jack Gates wrote:
> On Friday 05 December 2003 06:20 pm, Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
>>The names may be capital in the aliases file, but on the disk file system
>>they must be lower case.
> 
> I was curious about the CAPS would you mind explaining the aliases files 
> versus the disk file system?
> 
> Thanks,
> 

Email addresses are to be case insensitive, so CAPS = caps = CaPs, etc.
The left hand side in the aliases file is an email address.  Since unix
files ARE case sensitive, CAPS != caps != CaPs.  In order to allow for
mis-capitolized email addresses, the address and the files are all
handled as lower case.

Dan Liston


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I have had a look at submit.cf and sendmail.cf and they both trust 
majordomo. Sendmail is also listening on the 127.0.0.1 ip address.

I still can't get majordomo working. Any help?

- Omar FALL -

----Original Message Follows----
From: Daniel Liston <dliston@sonny.org>
To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Majordomo/Sendmail Problem: cannot send mails
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:15:38 -0600

I would assume from the /var/log/maillog that the sendmail message
submission program is blocking the outgoing messages.

You need to start your diagnostic with the submit.cf and sendmail.cf
files.  Do they trust majordomo?  Is sendmail listening on the loop
back (localhost) address?

Dan Liston

Omar Fall wrote:

>member, etc) it doesn't seem to be working because I do not
>send/receive any emails (suscribe, approve, etc.).
>
>I don't know what I have done wrong, please help me find out what is
>wrong.

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Hi all

I am absolutely new as far as Majordomo is concerned.

I have rented two webhotels that run Majordomo (v. 1.95 and 1.94
respectively), and I have set up one mailinglist. It's pretty
easy to manage the basics, and the list is running.

I have found the Majordomo homepage, I have skimmed the README
file and the FAQ. I looked at the archives and checked out some
of the threads that sounded relevant judged by their subject.

I did not find what I was looking for though.

I do not run Majordomo myself, and it seems that all the
questions and answers are concerned with people managing their
own server.

I would like to know if I am able to send a message to
Majordomo@<myowndomain> with proper comands and password and
thereby change the way the maillist works.

I have received a copy of a config file, and by a few experiments
I managed to work out how to get one more - and that's about it.

If I could get the recipe on how to change maxlength (with which
I can make pretty harmless experiments), then I think I can work
out the rest by myself.

If someone knows how I can make Majordomo automatically put the
list address in the To:-field when one responds to a message, I
wouldn't mind. I know how to use Reply To All - but that sends an
e-mail copy to the writer as well, and that is A Bad Thing.

Regards
Bertel


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Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

>Hi all
>
>I am absolutely new as far as Majordomo is concerned.
>
>I have rented two webhotels that run Majordomo (v. 1.95 and 1.94
>respectively), 
>

There is no version 1.95.

>and I have set up one mailinglist. It's pretty
>easy to manage the basics, and the list is running.
>  
>

I have no idea what a "webhotel" is, but I assume it's a leased site on 
someone else's server that acts a little like a dedicated server.

>I do not run Majordomo myself, and it seems that all the
>questions and answers are concerned with people managing their
>own server.
>  
>

What you need to understand is that, once Majordomo is installed on a 
server by a hosting company, it is likely to be at least somewhat 
tailored for that company's server configuration.

Many of them disable features, or change the way they are configured.  
Others use versions such as the built-in one on Cobalt servers that have 
functionality disabled.

Majordomo is documented for server owners because they are the only ones 
you can guarantee have actually seen Majordomo.

The only people who know how Majordomo works on the servers you're 
renting is your "hoteliers."  If they can't tell you, it's time to find 
another one.


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That's the problem. For that one domain, the only debug file generated is
for mj_shell. I've installed Mj2 on six domains now (and I've got it down to
about 25 minutes from start to finish). No problems on any of the others. I
don't really need it on the problem domain so I haven't spent any more time
with it.

I appreciate your trying to help.

I did prepare a "How To" for these Ensim Webppliance Pro installations. I've
posted it in the Ensim support forums, but anyone who wants it is welcome to
a text file. Just let me know.

-- Dean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk@queernet.org>
To: "Dean Mail" <deansmail@complanners.com>
Cc: "Majordomo Users" <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [majordomo-users] Okay one more Mj2 question


Dean Mail wrote:

>Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: "Check the mj_*.debug files in the Majordomo temp
>directory."
>
>Thanks, Roger.
>
>I deleted everything and tried again. In the mj_shell.debug file, there's
no
>indication of any errors and the last entries are:
>
>[20936].-----Calling destructors-----
>[20936]Majordomo Shell client - Sat Nov 29 19:57:53 2003..done, took 1.000
>sec
>
>Still, no web interface.
>
>

The mj_shell file will only contain info on mj_shell.  The werb uses
mj_wwwusr, mj_wwwadm, and mj_wwwconfirm.  What do their log files say?

You may need to edit either the aliases or the program themselves to
step up the debug level.



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To: <majordomo-users@greatcircle.com>
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How would I go about using more than one directory to store the individual
list files. I would like it to look like this.
when I try to do this and I put the proper stuff in the aliases file.
Majordomo does not see the lists.
Is there a problem of doing it this way or is there a better way to do it
when you have a server with a whole lot of web hosting customers on it. I
would like to keep each one separated.


/var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com
                        /domian2.com
                        /domain3.com



owner-mylist:  rkurth@direcphp.com,nobody
mylist: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend
@/var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com/mylist.resend"
mylist-approval: owner-mylist
mylist-doit: :include: /var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com/mylist
owner-mylist-doit: owner-mylist
mylist-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer mylist"
owner-mylis-request: owner-mylist



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One way that I have addressed this in my newlist3 or addlist4 scripts is 
to have a separate
data directory ($datadir) defined in a separate majordomo.cf for each 
domain.  These .cf
files are then used in the aliases for the hosted domains.

ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/newlist3.pl.gz
or
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/listadd4.pl.gz

Dan Liston

Richard Kurth wrote:

>How would I go about using more than one directory to store the individual
>list files. I would like it to look like this.
>when I try to do this and I put the proper stuff in the aliases file.
>Majordomo does not see the lists.
>Is there a problem of doing it this way or is there a better way to do it
>when you have a server with a whole lot of web hosting customers on it. I
>would like to keep each one separated.
>
>
>/var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com
>                        /domian2.com
>                        /domain3.com
>
>
>
>owner-mylist:  rkurth@direcphp.com,nobody
>mylist: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend
>@/var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com/mylist.resend"
>mylist-approval: owner-mylist
>mylist-doit: :include: /var/lib/majordomo/lists/domain1.com/mylist
>owner-mylist-doit: owner-mylist
>mylist-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer mylist"
>owner-mylis-request: owner-mylist
>
>  
>


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Dan (since he wrote the script)

I have been trying to utilize your script on my server (Sun Sparc 20
solaris 8) and I keep running into errors. I don't know if they are
errors in my setup or if I need to change the script. (I'm very new to
perl)

First:
I get this message every time I run the script. 
>Your data and home directories are the same.  This may cause
>conflict between the digest command and it's work directory.

I don't know what directories it is referring to. I assume datadir is
/path/to/majordomo/lists and home is /path/to/majordomo/

Second:
Using virtual hosts I get the following complaint.
>Now creating files and directories for beeno.
>cannot open $homedir/z-oliteinc.com/majordomo.cf for write.

I don't know the path of $homedir to figure this out. (First issue
above).

Third:
Without using virtual hosts I get the following:
>A list will be created as beeno@gvturf.com
>This list will try to use $homedir for data.
>cannot open dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo for read.

I can type: more /etc/mail/majordomo and see the file so I see no reason
for it to complain.

Any help would be appreciated, since I would like to use this script.

--Casey Hatch
President: Z-Olite Inc.
phone: 435.563.1460
web: www.z-oliteinc.com
:wq (A little vi humour for all y'all)

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Hey,

Is there a way to "shut off" the fixed width of messages that go through
Majordomo? Longer URLs get wrapped to the next line and are broken. Even
when I put in the message that users may need to copy/paste the URL in the
browser, they don't always understand it.

Your reply is greatly appreciated 

Thanks,


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Casey Hatch wrote:

>Dan (since he wrote the script)
>
>I have been trying to utilize your script on my server (Sun Sparc 20
>solaris 8) and I keep running into errors. I don't know if they are
>errors in my setup or if I need to change the script. (I'm very new to
>perl)
>
>First:
>I get this message every time I run the script. 
>  
>
>>Your data and home directories are the same.  This may cause
>>conflict between the digest command and it's work directory.
>>    
>>

This message is just a warning, that unless your majordomo.cf file has a 
plural setting
for the $digest_work_dir, that there is already an executable file in 
the majordomo
directory called digest.

>
>I don't know what directories it is referring to. I assume datadir is
>/path/to/majordomo/lists and home is /path/to/majordomo/
>
>Second:
>Using virtual hosts I get the following complaint.
>  
>
>>Now creating files and directories for beeno.
>>cannot open $homedir/z-oliteinc.com/majordomo.cf for write.
>>    
>>
This one is more of a problem.  I will examine the listadd4.pl, but if I 
recall, the $homedir
should have been expanded to the actual directory name.  This setting 
should be read from
either the /etc/passwd file or the /etc/majordomo.cf file.

>I don't know the path of $homedir to figure this out. (First issue
>above).
>
>Third:
>Without using virtual hosts I get the following:
>  
>
>>A list will be created as beeno@gvturf.com
>>This list will try to use $homedir for data.
>>cannot open dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo for read.
>>    
>>
The script makes a call to the "newaliases" command to create the 
aliases or majordomo db
files.  What version of sendmail are you running?  Is 
/etc/mail/majordomo listed in the
sendmail.cf file as an aliases file?  Is this file in /etc/mail/ owned 
and grouped by root?

>
>I can type: more /etc/mail/majordomo and see the file so I see no reason
>for it to complain.
>
>Any help would be appreciated, since I would like to use this script.
>
>--Casey Hatch
>President: Z-Olite Inc.
>phone: 435.563.1460
>web: www.z-oliteinc.com
>:wq (A little vi humour for all y'all)
>  
>


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Dan,

I don't remember what sendmail I have.  I haven't upgraded from the Solaris
8 install.  How would I find out the version number? 

Here is the alias in my sendmail.cf
	# location of alias file
	O AliasFile=dbm:/etc/mail/aliases,dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo

These are the majordomo ownership and permissions of /etc/mail/majordomo
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       6208 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       4096 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.dir
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       8192 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.pag

Did I miss anything?

--Casey Hatch

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:05:48PM -0600, Daniel Liston wrote:
> Casey Hatch wrote:
> 
> >Dan (since he wrote the script)
> >
> >I have been trying to utilize your script on my server (Sun Sparc 20
> >solaris 8) and I keep running into errors. I don't know if they are
> >errors in my setup or if I need to change the script. (I'm very new to
> >perl)
> >
> >First:
> >I get this message every time I run the script. 
> > 
> >
> >>Your data and home directories are the same.  This may cause
> >>conflict between the digest command and it's work directory.
> >>   
> >>
> 
> This message is just a warning, that unless your majordomo.cf file has a 
> plural setting
> for the $digest_work_dir, that there is already an executable file in 
> the majordomo
> directory called digest.
> 
> >
> >I don't know what directories it is referring to. I assume datadir is
> >/path/to/majordomo/lists and home is /path/to/majordomo/
> >
> >Second:
> >Using virtual hosts I get the following complaint.
> > 
> >
> >>Now creating files and directories for beeno.
> >>cannot open $homedir/z-oliteinc.com/majordomo.cf for write.
> >>   
> >>
> This one is more of a problem.  I will examine the listadd4.pl, but if I 
> recall, the $homedir
> should have been expanded to the actual directory name.  This setting 
> should be read from
> either the /etc/passwd file or the /etc/majordomo.cf file.
> 
> >I don't know the path of $homedir to figure this out. (First issue
> >above).
> >
> >Third:
> >Without using virtual hosts I get the following:
> > 
> >
> >>A list will be created as beeno@gvturf.com
> >>This list will try to use $homedir for data.
> >>cannot open dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo for read.
> >>   
> >>
> The script makes a call to the "newaliases" command to create the 
> aliases or majordomo db
> files.  What version of sendmail are you running?  Is 
> /etc/mail/majordomo listed in the
> sendmail.cf file as an aliases file?  Is this file in /etc/mail/ owned 
> and grouped by root?
> 
> >
> >I can type: more /etc/mail/majordomo and see the file so I see no reason
> >for it to complain.
> >
> >Any help would be appreciated, since I would like to use this script.
> >
> >--Casey Hatch
> >President: Z-Olite Inc.
> >phone: 435.563.1460
> >web: www.z-oliteinc.com
> >:wq (A little vi humour for all y'all)
> > 
> >
> 

-- 
--Casey Hatch
President: Z-Olite Inc.
phone: 435.563.1460
web: www.z-oliteinc.com

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Casey Hatch wrote:

> Dan,
> 
> I don't remember what sendmail I have.  I haven't upgraded from the Solaris
> 8 install.  How would I find out the version number? 

Probably 8.9.3, but
/usr/lib/sendmail -d0
should do it.  You will have to ctrl-c to exit though.

> 
> Here is the alias in my sendmail.cf
> 	# location of alias file
> 	O AliasFile=dbm:/etc/mail/aliases,dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo

I do not think you are supposed to prefix the filenames with the "dbm:"
specifier.  I am positive this is what is biting you in item three.
I will keep this in mind for my next revision of the script. I should
have commented on this in my first reply.

> 
> These are the majordomo ownership and permissions of /etc/mail/majordomo
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     other       6208 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     other       4096 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.dir
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     other       8192 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.pag
> 
> Did I miss anything?

Do the majordomo* files have the same ownership and permission as
the /etc/mail/aliases* files?


>>>I have been trying to utilize your script on my server (Sun Sparc 20
>>>solaris 8) and I keep running into errors. I don't know if they are
>>>errors in my setup or if I need to change the script. (I'm very new to
>>>perl)

I have a newer version of the script, that I have not posted yet.  I am
hoping to have it out by Xmas or NewYear.  If you do not mind testing,
I can send it to you earlier.

[snip warning message]

>>>>Now creating files and directories for beeno.
>>>>cannot open $homedir/z-oliteinc.com/majordomo.cf for write.
>>>>  
>>>>
>>
>>This one is more of a problem.  I will examine the listadd4.pl, but if I 
>>recall, the $homedir
>>should have been expanded to the actual directory name.  This setting 
>>should be read from
>>either the /etc/passwd file or the /etc/majordomo.cf file.

Should be solved with newer script.

>>
>>
>>>I don't know the path of $homedir to figure this out. (First issue
>>>above).

$homedir is defined in majordomo.cf and should match the home directory
defined in the /etc/passwd file for the majordomo user.

>>>
>>>Third:
>>>Without using virtual hosts I get the following:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>A list will be created as beeno@gvturf.com
>>>>This list will try to use $homedir for data.
>>>>cannot open dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo for read.
>>>>  
>>>>
>>
>>The script makes a call to the "newaliases" command to create the 
>>aliases or majordomo db
>>files.  What version of sendmail are you running?  Is 
>>/etc/mail/majordomo listed in the
>>sendmail.cf file as an aliases file?  Is this file in /etc/mail/ owned 
>>and grouped by root?



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On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 04:32:24PM -0600, Daniel Liston wrote:
> Casey Hatch wrote:
> 
> >Dan,
> >
> >I don't remember what sendmail I have.  I haven't upgraded from the Solaris
> >8 install.  How would I find out the version number? 
> 
> Probably 8.9.3, but
> /usr/lib/sendmail -d0
> should do it.  You will have to ctrl-c to exit though.

Okay, here is the sendmail version number:
Version 8.11.6+Sun

I guess I did patch it.  My memory's not as good as it used to be...

> >Here is the alias in my sendmail.cf
> >	# location of alias file
> >	O AliasFile=dbm:/etc/mail/aliases,dbm:/etc/mail/majordomo
> 
> I do not think you are supposed to prefix the filenames with the "dbm:"
> specifier.  I am positive this is what is biting you in item three.
> I will keep this in mind for my next revision of the script. I should
> have commented on this in my first reply.

Hmmm...So should I try removing dbm from the alias? I just copied that
line from a friends sendmail.cf, on a similar machine.  It seemed to work 
though.

> >These are the majordomo ownership and permissions of /etc/mail/majordomo
> >-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       6208 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo
> >-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       4096 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.dir
> >-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       8192 Dec  3 15:31 majordomo.pag
> >
> >Did I miss anything?
> 
> Do the majordomo* files have the same ownership and permission as
> the /etc/mail/aliases* files?

They do now.  :)
I changed the majordomo* files group permissions to match the aliases
file.

> >>>I have been trying to utilize your script on my server (Sun Sparc 20
> >>>solaris 8) and I keep running into errors. I don't know if they are
> >>>errors in my setup or if I need to change the script. (I'm very new to
> >>>perl)
> 
> I have a newer version of the script, that I have not posted yet.  I am
> hoping to have it out by Xmas or NewYear.  If you do not mind testing,
> I can send it to you earlier.
> 
> [snip warning message]

That would be fine.

Thanks for the help. Testing a script on my machine should find bugs if
there are any. (Bugs on my machine that is.)

--snip--

--Casey Hatch
President: Z-Olite Inc.
phone: 435.563.1460
web: www.z-oliteinc.com

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	 was here a year or so ago asking about getting majordomo installed and 
running on a *nix server that users cPanel.  I was not able to find anyone 
who was able to help me to get this running at that time.  I am hoping that 
by now someone (one of you who is vastly better than I am at this sort of 
thing) has been able to successfully accomplish this.  Do any of you know 
of a place that can outline how to install majordomo on a cPanel box?  I 
REALLY despise the list software that they use and would very much like to 
install and run majordomo even if it all has to be done manually.


Thanks,
DB



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Hi,  I have developed problems with majordomo, on a RAQ4

about 450 subscribers to the list.  Many are part of the nhs.uk domain
with strict security policies so many bounces etc.

Today I noticed this to the list owner mailbox... which contained the
greatly snipped details below.

Whilst I sort of understand the gist of the info I can't tell if the
problem is local or nhs.uk refusing such a large influx of messages from
a single domain (as an anti-spam measure)

Any info as to the problem, and more importantly the solution!

Many thanks

Tim


(Since posting this to the cobalt-users list, I have tried adding
maxaddrs=20 to the config file for the list without effect, and looked
at sendmail without benefit so far...)



The original message was received at Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:22:47 GMT
from mail@localhost

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
aaa.bbb@subdomain.nhs.uk
(reason: 552 too many recipients)
(expanded from:
:include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list)
bbb.ccc@subdomain.nhs.uk
(reason: 552 too many recipients)
(expanded from:
:include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list)

Snipped duplication

----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 5.1.1 /usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list: line
63: Mailing... User unknown
.... while talking to mail.nhs.uk.:
 >>> RCPT To:<xxx@subdomain2.nhs.uk>
<<< 552 too many recipients
554 5.0.0 ccc@subdomain.nhs.uk... Service unavailable
 >>> RCPT To:<zzzl@subdomain3.nhs.uk>
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554 5.0.0 bbb@subdomian.nhs.uk... Service unavailable


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Hello all,

everything worked really fine with my majordomo installation and
lists until my ISP decided it was time for new server hardware ...
now, I am encountering all kinds of trouble after my ISP has moved my
website and associated majordomo lists to a Cobalt Server  and its
pre-installed "majordomo" version ....  such as :

- the various majordomo aliases don't seem to work right
..(listname-owner,
   listname-request, etc)
- instead of the domain name after the @, the actual server
  designation is put into mails from the majordomo lists, resulting
in 
  error messages with reply to mails which are going to a supposedly
  "unknown" address
-- etc, etc ......

Has anyone had trouble with the pre-installed majordomo version on
this type of Sun Cobalt server rack If so, what did you do to solve
the problems?

Thanks for your patience wth me and any helpful advice.

Wolfgang







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"too many recipients" is the clue.  The maxaddrs=20 is not a setting
in a majordomo 1.94.x list config file that I am aware of.  This is
a possible setting in some MTA config files though.  This problem
needs to be addressed at your MTA, not majordomo.  However, you can
attack this problem via the "-outgoing" alias for your list by using
tlb or bulk_mailer.

Dan Liston

Tim Walter wrote:
> 
> Hi,  I have developed problems with majordomo, on a RAQ4
> 
> about 450 subscribers to the list.  Many are part of the nhs.uk domain
> with strict security policies so many bounces etc.
> 
> Today I noticed this to the list owner mailbox... which contained the
> greatly snipped details below.
> 
> Whilst I sort of understand the gist of the info I can't tell if the
> problem is local or nhs.uk refusing such a large influx of messages from
> a single domain (as an anti-spam measure)
> 
> Any info as to the problem, and more importantly the solution!
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> (Since posting this to the cobalt-users list, I have tried adding
> maxaddrs=20 to the config file for the list without effect, and looked
> at sendmail without benefit so far...)
> 
> 
> 
> The original message was received at Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:22:47 GMT
> from mail@localhost
> 
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> aaa.bbb@subdomain.nhs.uk
> (reason: 552 too many recipients)
> (expanded from:
> :include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list)
> bbb.ccc@subdomain.nhs.uk
> (reason: 552 too many recipients)
> (expanded from:
> :include:/usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list)
> 
> Snipped duplication
> 
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 550 5.1.1 /usr/local/majordomo/www.emisnug.org.uk/lists/emis-list: line
> 63: Mailing... User unknown
> .... while talking to mail.nhs.uk.:
>  >>> RCPT To:<xxx@subdomain2.nhs.uk>
> <<< 552 too many recipients
> 554 5.0.0 ccc@subdomain.nhs.uk... Service unavailable
>  >>> RCPT To:<zzzl@subdomain3.nhs.uk>
> <<< 552 too many recipients
> 554 5.0.0 bbb@subdomian.nhs.uk... Service unavailable
> 
> 
> Snipped duplication
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:23:30 GMT
> 
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> 
> 
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From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com  Sun Dec 14 18:11:44 2003
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Subject: Re: Sun Cobalt server / majordomo
References: <20031214204508.4FA4939F37@smtp2.netcologne.de>
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If you do not need or use the cobalt interface for creating your
lists, and you have full control of the aliases, virtusertable,
and other sendmail related files, I think I might be able to offer
a solution.  Right now, Nelson and I have been working through
some issues he is also having with the default majordomo install
on cobalt, in regards to digests.  Otherwise, if you do use the
interface provided to create your majordomo lists, they tend to
work quite well.

Dan Liston

Wolfgang Schneider wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> everything worked really fine with my majordomo installation and
> lists until my ISP decided it was time for new server hardware ...
> now, I am encountering all kinds of trouble after my ISP has moved my
> website and associated majordomo lists to a Cobalt Server  and its
> pre-installed "majordomo" version ....  such as :
> 
> - the various majordomo aliases don't seem to work right
> ..(listname-owner,
>    listname-request, etc)
> - instead of the domain name after the @, the actual server
>   designation is put into mails from the majordomo lists, resulting
> in 
>   error messages with reply to mails which are going to a supposedly
>   "unknown" address
> -- etc, etc ......
> 
> Has anyone had trouble with the pre-installed majordomo version on
> this type of Sun Cobalt server rack If so, what did you do to solve
> the problems?
> 
> Thanks for your patience wth me and any helpful advice.
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Hello there!

http://www.conveyanced.com/MajorCool/Docs/prereq.htm  says
----------
Although "root" access is not mandatory, it helps considerably. At 
the minimum, write access to the Majordomo $homedir and the 
/cgi-bin/ directory of the Webserver is required.
----------

Unfortunately I cannot find any informations about how to install 
MajorCool without root access. My hoster ist very co-operative, but 
cannot give me root-access.

Is there anyone with experiences in that?

Thanks for hints,

  Boris



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Dear all

I've looked through the FAQs and the documentation and could not figure how
to solve this one, or even if there is anything I can do about it.

I've started receiving this from one particular server in my owner account:

"This is an automated response.
This message you sent to an account at <polylog.org> has been blocked since
it was sent as BCC (Blind Carbon Copy).
If you want to contact us please do not use BCC.
Instead, send an email directly to the address you wish to contact (To or
CC)."

Is there a way to solve this problem on my side, or do I have to email the
email manager of this server? Thanks in advance, and please remember I'm a
complete rookie in this.

Cheers,

Desi



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Desiderio Murcho wrote:

>Is there a way to solve this problem on my side, or do I have to email the
>email manager of this server? Thanks in advance, and please remember I'm a
>complete rookie in this.
>  
>


They've configured their server in a way that will make just about every 
list server, from Yahoo and MSN on down, fail -- very few list 
configurations write a separate copy for each subscriber and put their 
address in a header (and shouldn't -- the author didn't send it to the 
person, but to the list).  Write the administrator at the other end, and 
if he doesn't budge, advise the user that his site is deliberately 
configured not to accept lists and he needs to get an email account 
elsewhere.


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I've recently encountered a problem where a misconfigured email server
of a list member was directing list emails back to the list, causing a
mail loop.

The emails were keeping the original headers, so my thought to prevent
this is to add a custom header to the list, and check for the custom
header - for example in taboo-headers.

My question is, does anyone know of any patches to majordomo to do this
automatically, without having to edit each config file, and also without
each looped message being bounced for approval.

Note: because with every pass through the majordomo server another set
of headers was added, the recursive email was eventually stopped
somewhere along the line because of the excessive number of Received
headers.

Thanks,

Andy Beverley



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How I find Majorcool?
You can help me?



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Try

http://www.conveyanced.com/MajorCool/majorcool.tar.gz

On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 19:10, Euler Ricardo Rodrigues Ribeiro wrote:
> How I find Majorcool?
> You can help me?
> 
> 


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When