From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 3 11:26:26 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A639752A3D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 646783 for multiple; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:18:39 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (24-116-62-28.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.62.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i03JQKuA029581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:26:21 -0600 Message-ID: <3FF7175A.6090400@sonny.org> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:26:18 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Kurth Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Problem with subscribing with a list References: <3FD840ED.7030205@sonny.org> <214471903.20031230112247@directphp.com> In-Reply-To: <214471903.20031230112247@directphp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/1 X-Sequence-Number: 4269 I did not see this show up on the greatcircle.com majordomo-users list either. What is your OS? What is your MTA? What version of majordomo? Is your domain hosted by another domain or service? Are you using a "catchall" address in your domain? The listadd script is for creating new lists on your server, not for adding members to an existing list. I would also assume the list is created properly if the script was used. Perhaps you could send "me" the relative virtusertable and aliases file entries for your list. If your list is hosted, but you still have root access to the server, I would like to see the majordomo.cf file you are using too, to make sure the aliases are getting created by the listadd script properly. Dan Liston Richard Kurth wrote: > I am replying to you because non of my questions have been add to the > majordomo list. I even tried un-subscribing and the re-subscribing but > non of them show up on the list. > > hear is my question > > I am having a problem with subscribing to any of my lists. If I send > and e-mail to subscribe, the e-mail address is not added to the list. > I have tried this with a number of different lists. If I add the e-mail > address by had to the list it will receive any e-mail's that are sent to > the list. > > I used the listadd4.pl script to add these list so I assume it set up > all the aliases properly. > > Could somebody tell me where to start looking to try and fix this > problem. > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 8 13:05:07 2004 Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7392051A10 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailproc ([141.153.20.9]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040108210457.LFTR19191.out008.verizon.net@mailproc> for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:04:57 -0600 From: "John Burton" To: Subject: Multiple copies to subscribers Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:04:56 -0500 Message-ID: <009701c3d62b$123de590$3593a8c0@mailproc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3FF7175A.6090400@sonny.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [141.153.20.9] at Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:04:56 -0600 X-Archive-Number: 200401/2 X-Sequence-Number: 4270 This is a little convoluted, but let's see if I can't 'splain it.=20=20 I have a series of lists that I use to distribute a news letter of sorts. I may use list A, B, D and L to send out a news letter on subject 7, and lists A, D, T and U for subject 8.=20=20 I cannot be certain that any given subscriber might not be a member of list A and list D (let's say). In fact, any given subscriber may be members of three or four of the lists I'm managing. The e-mail address would be the same across each list, that is Joe User would be joe.user@some.machine across all lists Joe is a member of. The question: I'd like to be able to send to any one or more lists without sending doops to poor Joe who happens to be a member of several lists. So here's a re-statement. Joe is a member of list A, list D and list T. I send a message to list A, list T and list U. What can I do to keep Joe from getting two copies of the list? Running MJ 1.94, Sendmail 8.12.8 Ideas??? Thank you. ~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~= =3D~=3D~=3D~=3D john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra South Charleston, West Virginia From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 8 13:22:47 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2765082A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id E9F95168009; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from roger (dsl081-190-082.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.190.82]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECBE168002; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:18:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" To: "'John Burton'" , Subject: Re: Multiple copies to subscribers Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:22:44 -0800 Message-ID: <7CEFA9CA4D5BE74586551915EC9C9C338057DB@consera1.corpnet.consera.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <009701c3d62b$123de590$3593a8c0@mailproc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/3 X-Sequence-Number: 4271 > So here's a re-statement. Joe is a member of list A, list D > and list T. I > send a message to list A, list T and list U. What can I do > to keep Joe from > getting two copies of the list? Either: - Write your own list-flattener that intercepts mail before handing it to the MLM and makes a temporary list with duplicates suppressed; or - Junk Mj1, move to Mj2, and force your users to use "unique" subscription mode From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 8 14:03:26 2004 Received: from mail2.gmhwh.org (mail2.gmhwh.org [12.110.19.38]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B84A8520C6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:03:19 -0800 (PST) X-Server-Uuid: 1ea73c7c-c7d8-11d5-bae0-0002a564cf8c Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:03:07 -0700 From: "Charlie Smith" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: What would be equivalent stuff for papercut/pyhton using majordomo MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 13E30C2F456395-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Archive-Number: 200401/4 X-Sequence-Number: 4272 Is there a news, threaded type of newsy s/w that could be used with majordo= mo. We've got users wanting to use nntp with papercut and I was wondering if th= ere was something equivalent using MD and ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for= the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 8 14:11:59 2004 Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E95E51168 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailproc ([141.153.20.9]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040108221145.KOUJ38.out012.verizon.net@mailproc>; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:11:45 -0600 From: "John Burton" To: "'Roger B.A. Klorese'" , Subject: Re: Multiple copies to subscribers Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:11:44 -0500 Message-ID: <009901c3d634$67010770$3593a8c0@mailproc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <7CEFA9CA4D5BE74586551915EC9C9C338057DB@consera1.corpnet.consera.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [141.153.20.9] at Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:11:44 -0600 X-Archive-Number: 200401/5 X-Sequence-Number: 4273 I haven't diddled with MJ2, I've looked at it, but not much. Will the list excuse me if I ask how the move to MJ2 would "solve" this issue?? Thank you.. ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra South Charleston, West Virginia > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of > Roger B.A. Klorese > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:23 PM > To: 'John Burton'; majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: Multiple copies to subscribers > > > > So here's a re-statement. Joe is a member of list A, list D > > and list T. I > > send a message to list A, list T and list U. What can I do > > to keep Joe from > > getting two copies of the list? > > Either: > - Write your own list-flattener that intercepts mail before > handing it to the MLM and makes a temporary list with > duplicates suppressed; or > - Junk Mj1, move to Mj2, and force your users to use "unique" > subscription mode > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 8 15:16:27 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B355227F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id 04C35168009; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from roger (dsl081-190-082.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.190.82]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B2C168002; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:11:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" To: "'John Burton'" , Subject: Re: Multiple copies to subscribers Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:16:24 -0800 Message-ID: <7CEFA9CA4D5BE74586551915EC9C9C3346FD30@consera1.corpnet.consera.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <009901c3d634$67010770$3593a8c0@mailproc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/6 X-Sequence-Number: 4274 > I haven't diddled with MJ2, I've looked at it, but not much.=20=20 >=20 > Will the list excuse me if I ask how the move to MJ2 would=20 > "solve" this > issue?? Well, *I* certainly will excuse you. :) With Mj1, there are basically two delivery modes for a list -- reflector, or what Mj2 calls "each" message delivery mode, or digest. The reflector is handled as a separate list, the plain-text digest (or digests -- since you could conceivably have a daily and a weekly, for instance) as another, and you craft aliases to control how messages pass from one to the other. With Mj2, all delivery modes are associated with a single list. So you don't subscribe to "foo" or "foo-digest" or "foo-daily-digest" or "foo-weekly-digest" -- you subscribe to "foo" and say how you wish it to be delivered. The list-owner can define multiple digest types -- a daily and a weekly, for instance. And each subscriber can choose from a list of allowed formats. If I define, for instance, a digest called "daily" with delivery rules that cause it to be sent daily and one called "weekly" with delivery rules that cause it to be sent only on Sundays,, you can choose whether you want "each: or "daily" or "weekly".=20=20 If you choose one of the digests, you can also choose if you want it delivered as a text digest, as Mj1 does, or as a MIME digest, where each message is a separate MIME part. (Some mail programs handle MIME digests very well, and users swear by them; others handle them poorly, and users swar *at* them. The user has the choice.) Or you can even receive it in "index" format, in which case you get only the header with message numbers, senders and subjects, and you can retrieve the ones you want from the archives.=20 The other interesting delivery mode, though, is like "each" with one exception. There is a "unique" delivery mode, in which Mj2 will determine for each user in that mode if they've already received the message on another list in which they have "unique" mode set, and not send them a copy if they have. (Obviously, this doesn't apply to digest users, who will get each digest the same as others.) To guarantee that this works for everyone, simply don't allow "each" as a delivery mode, so users need to choose "unique" (and for good measure make it your default). From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 8 17:18:20 2004 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7602E529FF for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-68-165-192-59.phndaz91.dynamic.covad.net ([68.165.192.59] helo=Vaio.earthlink.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AelI0-000557-00 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:18:16 -0800 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040108181451.02167028@localhost> X-Sender: bobbish/pop.earthlink.net@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:18:12 -0700 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Bob Bish Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <7CEFA9CA4D5BE74586551915EC9C9C3346FD30@consera1.corpnet.co nsera.com> References: <009901c3d634$67010770$3593a8c0@mailproc> <7CEFA9CA4D5BE74586551915EC9C9C3346FD30@consera1.corpnet.consera.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200401/7 X-Sequence-Number: 4275 Is there anything that can be added to taboo_headers in the config file (version 1.94.5) that would reject messages with no subject line? That is, if the subject is left blank? Similarly, is there anything that can be added to taboo_body to reject messages with no message body? ...Bob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 9 14:39:54 2004 Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346A850BA5 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailproc ([141.153.20.9]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040109223941.NHM29632.out009.verizon.net@mailproc> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:39:41 -0600 From: "John Burton" To: Subject: [MJ2] Help please. Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c3d701$78e8d5d0$3593a8c0@mailproc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [141.153.20.9] at Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:39:41 -0600 X-Archive-Number: 200401/8 X-Sequence-Number: 4276 Per the install info screen, I'm asking for help. When running Makefile.PL I continue on until asked about the mj e-mail address, at which point I received this error message ====================== The address "majordomo" is invalid. The address contains an unrecognized component. Location of the error: "majordomo@sandbox.dynip.com" Please enter a different e-mail address. [majordomo] -> ================================== Now then, where should I turn from here? This is from a brand new cvs-acquired copy of MJ2 from cvs.hpc.uh.edu. Can you help? Thank you... ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= john burton Bach 50B3 Bass Trombone, Charleston NeoPhonic Orchestra South Charleston, West Virginia From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 9 22:32:09 2004 Received: from dedicated.bixbycreek.com (mail.oso-aa.org [207.36.15.17]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7CC53922 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from DEAN (adsl-64-170-2-113.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.170.2.113]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by dedicated.bixbycreek.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0A6TS230507 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:29:28 -0800 Message-ID: <037201c3d743$77937900$61acfea9@DEAN> From: "Dean Mail" To: References: <000001c3d701$78e8d5d0$3593a8c0@mailproc> Subject: Re: [MJ2] Help please. Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:32:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Archive-Number: 200401/9 X-Sequence-Number: 4277 John Burton wrote: "...The address "majordomo" is invalid. ..." Do you also have Majordomo1 installed? Try using "mj2" as the address. -- Dean Collins From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 9 23:27:21 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7FF5309D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.org (12-208-155-7.client.attbi.com [12.208.155.7]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A293316801A; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:20:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FFFA946.5010007@queernet.org> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:27:02 -0800 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dean Mail Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: [MJ2] Help please. References: <000001c3d701$78e8d5d0$3593a8c0@mailproc> <037201c3d743$77937900$61acfea9@DEAN> In-Reply-To: <037201c3d743$77937900$61acfea9@DEAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/10 X-Sequence-Number: 4278 Dean Mail wrote: > John Burton wrote: "...The address "majordomo" is invalid. ..." > > Do you also have Majordomo1 installed? > > Try using "mj2" as the address. No, it's complaining about the format of it, not the existence or non-existence. It seems to be a bug in the Perl shipped with RH9. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 10 05:40:53 2004 Received: from mid-1.inet.it (mid-1.inet.it [213.92.5.18]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0F05469B for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 05:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from 194-177-126-174.f4.ngi.it [::ffff:194.177.126.174] by mid-1.inet.it via I-SMTP-4.7.2-470 id ::ffff:194.177.126.174+YflgYLQEp; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:40:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: diego@cartabianca.com@mail.cartabianca.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:40:38 +0100 To: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.COM From: Diego Meozzi Subject: Hotmail problems: any definitive solution? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archive-Number: 200401/11 X-Sequence-Number: 4279 Over the last 4 years I ran a quite large mailing list with 1100+ people. About 50 of them are in the hotmail.com or msn.com domains. Since last December, it seems that the messages sent to the majority of Hotmail and MSN-based addresses are rejected with this error: xyz@hotmail.com (reason: 552 Too many recipients) (expanded from: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/archaeo-news) >>> RCPT To: <<< 552 Too many recipients 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Final-Recipient: RFC822; archaeo-news-outgoing@stonepages.com X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; xyz@hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 5.2.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; mx1.hotmail.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 552 Too many recipients Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:11:10 GMT I wrote to Hotmail Tech section, and they answered: "The email you are sending to the MSN Hotmail domain has too many recipients in the 'To' or 'CC' field of the email <...> MSN Hotmail recently implemented a policy change that only allows 100 recipients per email message, rather than the previous 500. If you lower the total number of recipients per message when sending to Hotmail addresses I believe that you will have no further problems sending to us." I read that this is a known problem, and many solutions have been posted. But I wonder if someone found a definitive solution for it. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Diego Meozzi From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 10 08:44:15 2004 Received: from host10.host10-server.com (unknown [64.141.98.64]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E83B52EC5 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.65.110.235] (66-65-110-235.nyc.rr.com [66.65.110.235]) by host10.host10-server.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0AGi0s11032; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:44:01 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:40:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Hotmail problems: any definitive solution? From: actorsny To: Diego Meozzi , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/12 X-Sequence-Number: 4280 On 1/10/04 8:40 AM, "Diego Meozzi" wrote: Hi Diego, The spam filters have gotten to be too much. I ended up switching to a pay list. For 1,100 members is probably $25 a month. The reason I switched is because 2800 of my aol members were coming back as mailbox not found. Now AOL members get there emails, while excite.ccom and nyc.rr.com and mail.com don't get the emails I send from my list that I pay for. For these, I use yahoogroups, as I can add 10 people a day to my group, and now they do get their emails. I think yahoogroups has the best rate of getting thru, but if you can't write to the people to tell them to subscribe, then you can only add a few a day, which is slow process. If you have any questions, I'll be glad to answer. I've researched this for months, because it affected my business so strongly. Bill Kalatsky ActorsNY.com > Over the last 4 years I ran a quite large mailing list with 1100+ people. > About 50 of them are in the hotmail.com or msn.com domains. > > Since last December, it seems that the messages sent to the majority of > Hotmail and MSN-based addresses are rejected with this error: > > xyz@hotmail.com > (reason: 552 Too many recipients) > (expanded from: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/archaeo-news) > >>>> RCPT To: > <<< 552 Too many recipients > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; archaeo-news-outgoing@stonepages.com > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; xyz@hotmail.com > Action: failed > Status: 5.2.2 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mx1.hotmail.com > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 552 Too many recipients > Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:11:10 GMT > > I wrote to Hotmail Tech section, and they answered: > > "The email you are sending to the MSN Hotmail domain has too many recipients > in the 'To' or 'CC' field of the email <...> MSN Hotmail recently implemented > a policy change that only allows 100 recipients per email message, rather than > the previous 500. If you lower the total number of recipients per message when > sending to Hotmail addresses I believe that you will have no further problems > sending to us." > > I read that this is a known problem, and many solutions have been posted. But > I wonder if someone found a definitive solution for it. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Diego Meozzi From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 10 10:26:55 2004 Received: from yingtong.co.uk (cpc3-rdng2-5-0-cust183.winn.cable.ntl.com [80.5.153.183]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61402530C6 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from yingtong.co.uk (tims.mshome.net [192.168.0.1]) by yingtong.co.uk with ESMTP (Mailtraq/2.4.0.1486) id YNGTEA3235FE for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:26:42 -0000 Message-ID: <1Jf$cZDVPEAAFwcB@yingtong.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:26:29 +0000 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Tim Walter Reply-To: tim@yingtong.co.uk Subject: Re: Hotmail problems: any definitive solution? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () X-Hops: 1 X-Archive-Number: 200401/13 X-Sequence-Number: 4281 Diego Meozzi (Diego Meozzi ) wrote in a quizzical manner on Sat, 10 Jan 2004 at 14:40:38 >Over the last 4 years I ran a quite large mailing list with 1100+ >people. About 50 of them are in the hotmail.com or msn.com domains. > >Since last December, it seems that the messages sent to the majority of >Hotmail and MSN-based addresses are rejected with this error: > >xyz@hotmail.com > (reason: 552 Too many recipients) > (expanded from: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/archaeo-news) > >>>> RCPT To: ><<< 552 Too many recipients >554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Snip > >I read that this is a known problem, and many solutions have been >posted. But I wonder if someone found a definitive solution for it. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > >Diego Meozzi > > I too had this problem though with other domains. In the end after hours too numerous to mention I gave up. I confess I am not an expert but ended up knowing 2-3 times more that when I started! I finally installed Mailman and transferred the list over. Problem sorted immediately for me at least. (Please everyone don't post the real answer, I couldn't bear it!!!!) (Well I do hope someone does for your sake, as the solution is not, it seems, in Google, for me using a Cobalt RAQ4) -- Tim Walter Emis NUG website http://www.emisnug.org.uk/index.asp To join the NUG, phone 0191 487 4571 The Emis-list archive is at http://www.medhost.co.uk/forum/ Join/leave at http://www.emisnug.org.uk/emis-list From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 10 11:30:33 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198D852E3A for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1572329 for multiple; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:21:56 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (24-116-62-28.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.62.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0AIaRFX011329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:36:28 -0600 Message-ID: <4000463B.6050709@sonny.org> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:36:43 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Bish Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: No subject References: <009901c3d634$67010770$3593a8c0@mailproc> <7CEFA9CA4D5BE74586551915EC9C9C3346FD30@consera1.corpnet.consera.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040108181451.02167028@localhost> In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040108181451.02167028@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/14 X-Sequence-Number: 4282 I know there are patches that can reject/refuse mail based on empty message body and for inserting subject prefix when there was no subject... Since "taboo*" is just regular expression, to prevent blank anything you could filter out /^$/ or expand on this to include white space between the beginning and end (^ and $) of the line. Dan Liston Bob Bish wrote: > Is there anything that can be added to taboo_headers in the config > file (version 1.94.5) that would reject messages with no subject line? > That is, if the subject is left blank? > Similarly, is there anything that can be added to taboo_body to > reject messages with no message body? > > ...Bob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 10 16:30:08 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC41050655 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1498663 for multiple; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:21:26 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (24-116-62-28.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.62.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0B06eFX013503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:06:41 -0600 Message-ID: <400093A8.9040607@sonny.org> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:07:04 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Diego Meozzi Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Hotmail problems: any definitive solution? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/15 X-Sequence-Number: 4283 To help you properly, we need to know your environment. What operating system are you running, and version? What mail server MTA are you using, and version? What version of majordomo do you use? You could also use a post-processing tool like tlb or bulk_mailer to split your outgoing messages into smaller bites that msn/hotmail would accept. Dan Liston Diego Meozzi wrote: > Over the last 4 years I ran a quite large mailing list with 1100+ people. About 50 of them are in the hotmail.com or msn.com domains. > > Since last December, it seems that the messages sent to the majority of Hotmail and MSN-based addresses are rejected with this error: > > xyz@hotmail.com > (reason: 552 Too many recipients) > (expanded from: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/archaeo-news) > > >>>>RCPT To: > > <<< 552 Too many recipients > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; archaeo-news-outgoing@stonepages.com > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; xyz@hotmail.com > Action: failed > Status: 5.2.2 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mx1.hotmail.com > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 552 Too many recipients > Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:11:10 GMT > > I wrote to Hotmail Tech section, and they answered: > > "The email you are sending to the MSN Hotmail domain has too many recipients in the 'To' or 'CC' field of the email <...> MSN Hotmail recently implemented a policy change that only allows 100 recipients per email message, rather than the previous 500. If you lower the total number of recipients per message when sending to Hotmail addresses I believe that you will have no further problems sending to us." > > I read that this is a known problem, and many solutions have been posted. But I wonder if someone found a definitive solution for it. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Diego Meozzi From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 14 09:53:03 2004 Received: from gemini2.navarrocollege.edu (gemini2.navarrocollege.edu [205.165.189.182]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F285503B5 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gemini2 (gemini2.navarrocollege.edu [205.165.189.182] (may be forged)) by gemini2.navarrocollege.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0EHscnl014020 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:54:38 -0600 Received: from ([10.1.9.1]) by gemini2.navarrocollege.edu (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:54:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <400581EC.3090802@navarrocollege.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:52:44 -0600 From: Dana Holland Reply-To: dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: upper/lowercase in sub file Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Archive-Number: 200401/16 X-Sequence-Number: 4284 I've just encountered a problem with the file that contains a list of subscribers to one of the lists I host. I use the restrict feature. It's appearing that if the user subscribed as my.name@anywhere.org, but then later posts a message as MY.NAME@anywhere.org, it's rejecting the message with a non-member submission error. Is this accurate - is it case-sensitive? If so, does anyone have a workaround, other than my having to manually key in every possible combination in the restrict file? (which I'm not going to do) From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 14 16:06:41 2004 Received: from fleece.ucsd.edu (fleece.ucsd.edu [132.239.24.135]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7304D5269C for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19951 invoked by uid 2032); 15 Jan 2004 00:03:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:03:05 -0800 From: Soo Hom To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: install problem Message-ID: <20040115000305.GB19475@fleece.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Archive-Number: 200401/17 X-Sequence-Number: 4285 Hello, I am trying to install majordomo 1.94.5 on a sun blade running solaris 9. I get this error when I run the config test: # ./wrapper config-test wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/config-test failed: No such file or directory Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile? HOME is HOME=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5, PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb, SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh, MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf Where is /usr/test being set? I installed into /var/majordomo Soo From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 15 18:01:17 2004 Received: from soln-sr234.solutionip.com (unknown [64.140.24.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B9A54523 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:01:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.39] (helo=sonny.org) by soln-sr234.solutionip.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1AhJIF-0007GG-00; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:01:03 -0600 Message-ID: <4007446A.1090706@sonny.org> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:54:50 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Soo Hom Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: install problem References: <20040115000305.GB19475@fleece.ucsd.edu> In-Reply-To: <20040115000305.GB19475@fleece.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/18 X-Sequence-Number: 4286 Did you edit Makefile before you compiled the wrapper? When you say installed, do you really mean extracted? Did you follow the step by step instructions in the INSTALL file for a new install? Dan Liston Soo Hom wrote: >Hello, > >I am trying to install majordomo 1.94.5 on a sun blade running solaris 9. I get this error when I run the config test: ># ./wrapper config-test >wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/config-test failed: No such file or directory > Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile? > HOME is HOME=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5, > PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb, > SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh, > MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/test/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf > > >Where is /usr/test being set? I installed into /var/majordomo > > > >Soo > > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 15 20:14:21 2004 Received: from soln-sr234.solutionip.com (unknown [64.140.24.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89A9516B6 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.140.24.202] (helo=sonny.org) by soln-sr234.solutionip.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1AhLN4-0008HK-00; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:14:10 -0600 Message-ID: <4007639D.3080008@sonny.org> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:07:57 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: upper/lowercase in sub file References: <400581EC.3090802@navarrocollege.edu> In-Reply-To: <400581EC.3090802@navarrocollege.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/19 X-Sequence-Number: 4287 Is your list also moderated? If so, looking at the resend code, the same address should be listed in the restrict_post as the value of moderator. Have you applied any of the contributed patches? I see a couple places in the code where tr is used when lc might make sense, but honestly, in all the years I have been a majordomo user, I have never seen this problem. In fact, I just tried it. Using redhat 8.0 as the OS, sendmail 8.12.8, and majordomo 1.94.5 (with several contributed patches applied), I sent mail to a test list where I am listed in lower case, and restrict_post is set to the name of the list, but I set my mail client to send my address in upper case. No problem. All members of the list received the message, as did my own lower case version of my address. Next test, I will set "basic" list aliases, and run from the unmodified scripts. Hmmm, that worked too. Additionally, my moderate=no and moderator = , and I sent the messages to my list in plain text. Next test, I will send the message using rich content. Sorry, that worked too. Dan Liston Dana Holland wrote: > I've just encountered a problem with the file that contains a list of > subscribers to one of the lists I host. I use the restrict feature. > It's appearing that if the user subscribed as my.name@anywhere.org, > but then later posts a message as MY.NAME@anywhere.org, it's rejecting > the message with a non-member submission error. Is this accurate - is > it case-sensitive? If so, does anyone have a workaround, other than > my having to manually key in every possible combination in the > restrict file? (which I'm not going to do) > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 16 11:48:29 2004 Received: from mail-c108-01.fitsuny.edu (unknown [143.55.7.11]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6495078A for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:48:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:48:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200401161448.AA342032682@mail-c108-01.fitsuny.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "MICHAEL KHAN" Reply-To: To: "MajorDomo" Subject: mj ABORT!!! X-Mailer: X-Archive-Number: 200401/20 X-Sequence-Number: 4288 Does anyone knows what error 71 means. I got following error when I post to a list: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!! Mailer /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oee -fowner-oisa-fit@listserv.fitsuny.edu oisa-fit-list exited unexpectedly with error 71 Mike. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 16 12:30:27 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E525303B for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail1.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1653668 for multiple; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:26:15 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (24-116-62-28.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.62.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0GKBiFX029710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:11:45 -0600 Message-ID: <400845B4.2000507@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:12:36 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: michael_khan@imail.fitsuny.edu, MajorDomo Subject: Re: mj ABORT!!! References: <200401161448.AA342032682@mail-c108-01.fitsuny.edu> In-Reply-To: <200401161448.AA342032682@mail-c108-01.fitsuny.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/21 X-Sequence-Number: 4289 Google is your friend... What OS do you run? What version/flavor of sendmail? What version of majordomo? Do you have all your aliases configured properly, especially " oisa-fit-list? Does majordomo (and your mailer software) have permission to write to the queue directory? Dan Liston MICHAEL KHAN wrote: > > Does anyone knows what error 71 means. I got following error when I post to a list: > > MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!! > > Mailer /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oee -fowner-oisa-fit@listserv.fitsuny.edu oisa-fit-list exited unexpectedly with error 71 > > > Mike. > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 16 12:36:36 2004 Received: from wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0F954E0E for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from KASKY.esson.net (kasky.priority.usc.edu [128.125.63.85]) (authenticated bits=0) by wrenkasky.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0GKYxXg010031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:34:59 -0800 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040116123155.01c1f488@mail.esson.net> X-Sender: ed@mail.esson.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:34:53 -0800 To: From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: mj ABORT!!! Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <200401161448.AA342032682@mail-c108-01.fitsuny.edu> References: <200401161448.AA342032682@mail-c108-01.fitsuny.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200401/22 X-Sequence-Number: 4290 From sendmail documentation - sysexits.h: # define EX_OSERR 71 /* system error (e.g., can't fork) */ Check the logfile for more information. At 11:48 AM Friday, 1/16/2004, Mike wrote -=> >Does anyone knows what error 71 means. I got following error when I post >to a list: > > MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_resend)!! > >Mailer /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oee -fowner-oisa-fit@listserv.fitsuny.edu >oisa-fit-list exited unexpectedly with error 71 Ed . . . . . . . . Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 16 16:25:44 2004 Received: from web60204.mail.yahoo.com (web60204.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.99]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BF27536E6 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:25:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20040117002532.69415.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.128.15.119] by web60204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:25:32 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:25:32 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?= Subject: Undoing an email association To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/23 X-Sequence-Number: 4291 Hello, I've been stupid and did something which let a fairly sensitive access mail travel through my mailing list. It allowed the reader to confirm their email address as being associated with the list-outgoing@shamus.domain.com address. I truely can't recall the exact details of what i was trying to do, but it involved trying to make my list associated with an MSN group, which was later deleted. So, because someone saw the message on the list and reacted to it, this now generates a delivery error each time a mail is posted to the list. The error is shown below. Can I 'undo' this? The person who reacted (curious@pb194 ....) is a current list member, but I haven't tried to unsub and resub him/her to see if that clears the trouble. Many thanks, lee -------------------- the error msg : -------------- The original message was received at Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:54:05 -0500 from localhost [127.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- curious@pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl (expanded from: include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/incel) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- curious@pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl... Deferred: Connection timed out with pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl. Message could not be delivered for 5 days Message will be deleted from queue Message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; shamus.saturnus.com Arrival-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:54:05 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; incel-outgoing@shamus.saturnus.com X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; curious@pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: DNS; pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:38:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from shamus.saturnus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0BMs5c7023342 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:54:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0BMs43k023341 for incel-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:54:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: shamus.saturnus.com: majordom set sender to owner-incel@saturnus.com using -f Message-ID: <20040111225358.36504.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:53:58 -0800 (PST) From: Winterlong Subject: Re: [incel] Unsubscribing To: incel@saturnus.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-incel@saturnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: incel@saturnus.com --------- end of error msg ------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 17 13:50:10 2004 Received: from web60207.mail.yahoo.com (web60207.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.102]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 60DBE5077F for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:50:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20040117215004.98608.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.128.119.72] by web60207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:50:04 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:50:04 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?= Subject: Re: Undoing an email association To: major MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/24 X-Sequence-Number: 4292 hello again, just to add some more detail to my first message on this, in case any of you are thinking how to help me; I have since tried to unzubscribe and rezub the offending address, but that has made no difference. Also, interestingly, I sent a polite email to the address (curious@pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl) from my personal email account (lee_19712003@yahoo.com), asking for their help, but that email was delivered to ME as list owner- not bounced, but a clean deliver. I know the email came to me through an association with my list, because I picked it up in the email account I have reserved for any mail sent to incel-owner@saturnus.com. I have just sent a test email to incel-owner@saturnus.com, which I also picked up there, as it should be. So, any ideas? Here's the full headers and message I sent to the person as 'I' received it: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:02:22 -0800 (PST) From: lee_19712003@yahoo.com | This is Spam | Add to Address Book Subject: From Lee at [incel] admin To: curious@pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 704 hello there, I'm just wondering if you could do me a favour - About a week or so ago, you saw a confirmation message pass through the incel list, which you confirmed and associated your email address with; That was only a test message, not an actual invitation to join anything, but you weren't to know that. The situation is causing an error in the mailing list system, so would you mind reversing what you did? You may have to unsubscribe or leave an association with 1 or more of the following groups/addresses to do it: Incel@groups.msn.com incel-outgoing@shamus.saturnus.com incel-owner@saturnus.com Thankyou very much - your [incel] subscription itself will not be affected. Lee [incel] ----------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 17 17:30:10 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C1C54F2D for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail1.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1766640 for multiple; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:26:09 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (24-116-62-28.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.62.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0I1O1FX022748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:24:02 -0600 Message-ID: <4009E064.6050300@sonny.org> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:24:52 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Undoing an email association References: <20040117002532.69415.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040117002532.69415.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/25 X-Sequence-Number: 4293 I can see some very basic misconfiguration of your majordomo installation in regards to your MTA. 1. Your MTA does not trust the majordomo user. You should add "majordomo" to /etc/mail/trusted-users, and Ft/etc/mail/trusted-users to the sendmail.cf file. 2. Your outgoing alias is being advertised in headers. The message looks like it was sent directly to this address rather than the list. See if the resend alias has ,nobody on the list alias. For example; test: "|/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" Make sure test-outgoing is not subscribed to the list at yahoo. Make sure test is not subscribed to yahoo based list. Make sure test-outgoing is not subscribed to your own test list. Dan Liston Lee wrote: > Hello, > > I've been stupid and did something which let a fairly > sensitive access mail travel through my mailing list. > It allowed the reader to confirm their email address > as being associated with the > list-outgoing@shamus.domain.com address. > I truely can't recall the exact details of what i was > trying to do, but it involved trying to make my list > associated with an MSN group, which was later deleted. > > So, because someone saw the message on the list and > reacted to it, this now generates a delivery error > each time a mail is posted to the list. The error is > shown below. Can I 'undo' this? The person who reacted > (curious@pb194 ....) is a current list member, but I > haven't tried to unsub and resub him/her to see if > that clears the trouble. > > Many thanks, > lee > -------------------- the error msg : -------------- > > The original message was received at Sun, 11 Jan 2004 > 17:54:05 -0500 > from localhost [127.0.0.1] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal > errors ----- > curious@pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl > (expanded from: > include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/incel) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > curious@pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl... Deferred: > Connection timed out with > pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl. > Message could not be delivered for 5 days > Message will be deleted from queue > > > > Message/delivery-status > > Reporting-MTA: dns; shamus.saturnus.com > Arrival-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:54:05 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; > incel-outgoing@shamus.saturnus.com > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; > curious@pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl > Action: failed > Status: 4.4.7 > Remote-MTA: DNS; pb194.luban.sdi.tpnet.pl > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:38:13 -0500 > > Return-Path: > Received: from shamus.saturnus.com (localhost > [127.0.0.1]) > by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id > i0BMs5c7023342 > for ; Sun, 11 Jan > 2004 17:54:05 > -0500 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id > i0BMs43k023341 > for incel-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:54:04 -0500 > X-Authentication-Warning: shamus.saturnus.com: > majordom set sender to > owner-incel@saturnus.com using -f > Message-ID: > <20040111225358.36504.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:53:58 -0800 (PST) > From: Winterlong > Subject: Re: [incel] Unsubscribing > To: incel@saturnus.com > In-Reply-To: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Sender: owner-incel@saturnus.com > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: incel@saturnus.com > > --------- end of error msg ------------------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 18 04:56:24 2004 Received: from mid-2.inet.it (mid-2.inet.it [213.92.5.19]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3572552EF8 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 04:56:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from 194-177-126-101.f4.ngi.it [::ffff:194.177.126.101] by mid-2.inet.it via I-SMTP-4.8.4-483 id ::ffff:194.177.126.101+2K6Tdn0yh; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:56:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: diego@cartabianca.com@mail.cartabianca.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <400093A8.9040607@sonny.org> References: <400093A8.9040607@sonny.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:55:41 +0100 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Diego Meozzi Subject: Re: Hotmail problems: any definitive solution? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archive-Number: 200401/26 X-Sequence-Number: 4294 Dear friends, Thanks for your suggestions on how to get through the Hotmail/MSN anti spam block. However, my legitimate messages sent through Majordomo are still being rejected with the dreaded "552 Too many recipients" error. Joseph Brennan suggested: >Sendmail can be limited with this m4: >define(`SMTP_MAILER_MAXRCPTS',`50')__ >This tells it to send to 50 recipients per smtp transaction. Unfortunately I don't have full access to these functions. The people operating my shared server said: >We are not going to change the SMPT delivery value (currently set at 100 server wide) because this may have knock on affects elsewhere. We have made a modification to your own sendmail.cf and hopefully this should resolve your problem. Dan Liston asked: >To help you properly, we need to know your environment. >What operating system are you running, and version? >What mail server MTA are you using, and version? >What version of majordomo do you use? These are the requested data: Operating System: Red Hat Linux 7.3 MTA: Sendmail-8.11.6-27 Majordomo: 1.94.5 Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Diego Meozzi From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 18 22:29:58 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F525319C for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:29:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail1.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1859819 for multiple; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:26:11 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0J64gFX009289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:04:44 -0600 Message-ID: <400B73BA.2030601@sonny.org> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:05:46 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Diego Meozzi Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Hotmail problems: any definitive solution? References: <400093A8.9040607@sonny.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/27 X-Sequence-Number: 4295 I was going to recommend bulk_mailer, but that is only helpful in splitting up envelopes by domains, not recipients per domain. If your ISP's change to your sendmail.cf is not helpful, your next step may be to contact the MSN/Hotmail postmaster and make arrangements to get your majordomo list(s) whitelisted by their anti-spam filters. Dan Liston Diego Meozzi wrote: > Dear friends, > Thanks for your suggestions on how to get through the Hotmail/MSN anti spam block. > However, my legitimate messages sent through Majordomo are still being rejected with the dreaded "552 Too many recipients" error. > > Joseph Brennan suggested: > > >>Sendmail can be limited with this m4: >>define(`SMTP_MAILER_MAXRCPTS',`50')__ >>This tells it to send to 50 recipients per smtp transaction. > > > Unfortunately I don't have full access to these functions. The people operating my shared server said: > > >>We are not going to change the SMPT delivery value (currently set at 100 server wide) because this may have knock on affects elsewhere. We have made a modification to your own sendmail.cf and hopefully this should resolve your problem. > > > Dan Liston asked: > > >>To help you properly, we need to know your environment. >>What operating system are you running, and version? >>What mail server MTA are you using, and version? >>What version of majordomo do you use? > > > These are the requested data: > > Operating System: Red Hat Linux 7.3 > MTA: Sendmail-8.11.6-27 > Majordomo: 1.94.5 > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks > > Diego Meozzi From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jan 19 15:50:12 2004 Received: from ns.sulima.com (unknown [66.187.154.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D68F50498 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:50:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from NGIEBINA (pcp04593849pcs.brnmll01.nj.comcast.net [68.45.108.223]) by ns.sulima.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0K0mIto051764 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:48:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gbeima@sulima.com) From: "List Subscriptions" To: Subject: MJ problem with tmp folder Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:33:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c3dee4$b11f8ad0$3002a8c0@redriven.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3DEBA.C84BF3D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Archive-Number: 200401/28 X-Sequence-Number: 4296 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3DEBA.C84BF3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I moved MJ from a unit that has been working fine for the 3 years to a new unit and later discovered that MJ is not working. After several attempts without success, I decided to do a fresh install on the new FreeBSD 5.0 box and copy the lists over . But no matter where I point the "tmp" folder at in MJ.cf, the wrapper doesn't like it. It just seems that it is stucked at /usr/tmp. I have even made that folder world writable to see if that can help. Below is the output from the wrapper test: ============================= ========= === Non obvious things that cause headaches: ------------------------------------------------------------ Good: 'require'd /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.cf okay. Good: found ctime.pl okay. Good: found majordomo_version.pl okay. Good: found majordomo.pl okay. Good: found shlock.pl okay. Good: found config_parse.pl okay. You're running Majordomo Version 1.94.5. --==> Majordomo home directory is /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5. ------------------- Include directories ------------------- /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0 --------------------------- Home --------------------------- Good: changedir to /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5 succeeded. Good: Created a mock lock file. ---------------------- temp directory ---------------------- BAD: Couldn't create a file in /usr/tmp. ---------------------- list directory ---------------------- Good: list directory /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/lists has good permissions. --------------------------- log --------------------------- Good: logfile /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/Log exists and is writeable. ------------------------- Mailers ------------------------- You have defined a mailer for delivery. Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. You have defined a mailer for delivering administrative messages. Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. ------------------ Checking majordomo.cf ------------------ Checking to see if there are new variables that should be in your majordomo.cf file...Nope, none that I see. Have you configured where Majordomo is? $whereami is sulima.com Good: yup! ----------------------- end of tests ----------------------- 1 bad thing was found. Please fix before attempting to run Majordomo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- Thanks, Saffa ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3DEBA.C84BF3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I  moved MJ from a unit that has been working= fine=20 for the 3 years to a new unit and later discovered that MJ is not=20 working. After several attempts without success, I decided to do a f= resh=20 install  <= FONT=20 color=3D#000000>on the new FreeBSD 5.0 box a= nd copy=20 the lists over .   But no matter where I point the "tmp" folder = at  in MJ.cf, the wrapper doesn't like it. <= SPAN=20 class=3D300062323-19012004> It just=20 seems that it is stucked at=20 /usr/tmp. I have = even=20 made that folder world writable to see if that can help. Belo= w is=20 the output from the wrapper test:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D= =3D

Non obvious things that cause headaches:

------------------------------------------------------------

Good: 'require'd /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo= .cf=20 okay.

Good: found ctime.pl okay.

Good: found majordomo_version.pl okay.

Good: found majordomo.pl okay.

Good: found shlock.pl okay.

Good: found config_parse.pl okay.

You're running Majordomo Version 1.94.5.

--=3D=3D> Majordomo home directory is=20 /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5.

------------------- Include directories=20 -------------------

/usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5

/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/mach

/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0

/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1

/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl

/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0/BSDPAN

/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0/mach

/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0

--------------------------- Home=20 ---------------------------

Good: changedir to /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5=20 succeeded.

Good: Created a mock lock file.

---------------------- temp directory=20 ----------------------

BAD: Couldn't create a file i= n=20 /usr/tmp.

---------------------- list directory=20 ----------------------

Good: list directory /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/lists= has=20 good permissions.

--------------------------- log=20 ---------------------------

Good: logfile /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/Log exists a= nd is=20 writeable.

------------------------- Mailers=20 -------------------------

You have defined a mailer for delivery.

Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...lo= oks=20 okay.

You have defined a mailer for delivering administrati= ve=20 messages.

Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...lo= oks=20 okay.

------------------ Checking majordomo.cf=20 ------------------

Checking to see if there are new variables that shoul= d be=20 in

your majordomo.cf file...Nope, none that I see.

Have you configured where Majordomo is?

$whereami is sulima.com

Good: yup!

----------------------- end of tests=20 -----------------------

1 bad thing was found.

Please fix before attempting to run Majordomo.
------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------

Thanks,

Saffa

 

= ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C3DEBA.C84BF3D0-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 20 09:49:02 2004 Received: from mail.york.cuny.edu (mail.york.cuny.edu [198.61.16.8]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD6355A4C for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mail [198.61.16.8]) by mail.york.cuny.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0KHs9ja008744 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 198.61.27.11 ([198.61.27.11]) by mail.york.cuny.edu (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:54:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1074621249.400d6b411fc7b@mail.york.cuny.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:54:09 -0500 From: saarah@york.cuny.edu To: major Subject: SMTP error codes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 198.61.27.11 X-Archive-Number: 200401/29 X-Sequence-Number: 4297 Hello everyone! Could someone point me to where I could find all ther SMTP error codes. for example SMTP 554, 550 etc. Thanks in advance. --Kamrul From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 20 10:17:39 2004 Received: from cfa.harvard.edu (cfa.harvard.edu [131.142.10.1]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD19752610 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from cfa.harvard.edu (earth [131.142.25.99]) by cfa.harvard.edu (8.12.9-20030924/8.12.9/cfunix Mast-Sol 1.0) with ESMTP id i0KIHBLX015118; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:17:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <400D70A7.50006@cfa.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:17:11 -0500 From: "Janice A. LeBlanc" Reply-To: jaleblanc@cfa.harvard.edu Organization: Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: major Subject: Re: SMTP error codes References: <1074621249.400d6b411fc7b@mail.york.cuny.edu> In-Reply-To: <1074621249.400d6b411fc7b@mail.york.cuny.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/30 X-Sequence-Number: 4298 saarah@york.cuny.edu wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > Could someone point me to where I could find all ther SMTP error codes. > > for example SMTP 554, 550 etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > --Kamrul > > Hello, If you look at the Request for Comments website under the original SMTP Document, RFC #821, you'll find the meaning of all the reply codes. Web page location http://www.rfc-editor.org/ Here's a paste of the relevant page: RFC 821 August 1982 Simple Mail Transfer Protocol 4.2.1. REPLY CODES BY FUNCTION GROUPS 500 Syntax error, command unrecognized [This may include errors such as command line too long] 501 Syntax error in parameters or arguments 502 Command not implemented 503 Bad sequence of commands 504 Command parameter not implemented 211 System status, or system help reply 214 Help message [Information on how to use the receiver or the meaning of a particular non-standard command; this reply is useful only to the human user] 220 Service ready 221 Service closing transmission channel 421 Service not available, closing transmission channel [This may be a reply to any command if the service knows it must shut down] 250 Requested mail action okay, completed 251 User not local; will forward to 450 Requested mail action not taken: mailbox unavailable [E.g., mailbox busy] 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable [E.g., mailbox not found, no access] 451 Requested action aborted: error in processing 551 User not local; please try 452 Requested action not taken: insufficient system storage 552 Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation 553 Requested action not taken: mailbox name not allowed [E.g., mailbox syntax incorrect] 354 Start mail input; end with . 554 Transaction failed -- ============================================================= Janice LeBlanc phone (617) 496-7503 CF Unix System Administrator fax (617) 496-7500 Harvard - Smithsonian email: jaleblanc@cfa.harvard.edu Center for Astrophysics http://cfa-www.harvard.edu 60 Garden St., Cambridge, MA 02138 Room B213 ============================================================= From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 20 21:29:26 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F15549CB for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail1.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 2157015 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:26:07 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (000-091-131.area2.spcsdns.net [68.25.98.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L5FXFX020539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:15:41 -0600 Message-ID: <400E0AB0.1010501@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:14:24 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder References: <000701c3dee4$b11f8ad0$3002a8c0@redriven.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c3dee4$b11f8ad0$3002a8c0@redriven.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/31 X-Sequence-Number: 4299 Does /usr/tmp exist? Not as a link, but as a directory? Did you compile the wrapper on the new FreeBSD 5 box? If not, did you use the same uid:gid on the new box that you were using on the old one? Can we assUme you were on FreeBSD previously too? If you have not recompiled the wrapper on the new server, you "must" use the same uid:gid that you had on the old server. If you do recompile, check the TMPDIR variable in the Makefile to set it to the location of your choice. Dan Liston List Subscriptions wrote: > I moved MJ from a unit that has been working fine for the 3 years to > a new unit and later discovered that MJ is not working. After several > attempts without success, I decided to do a fresh install on the > new FreeBSD 5.0 box and copy the lists over . But no matter where I > point the "tmp" folder at in MJ.cf, the wrapper doesn't like it. It > just seems that it is stucked at */usr/tmp*. I have even made that > folder world writable to see if that can help. Below is the output > from the wrapper test: > ============================= ========= === > > Non obvious things that cause headaches: > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Good: 'require'd /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.cf okay. > > Good: found ctime.pl okay. > > Good: found majordomo_version.pl okay. > > Good: found majordomo.pl okay. > > Good: found shlock.pl okay. > > Good: found config_parse.pl okay. > > You're running Majordomo Version 1.94.5. > > --==> Majordomo home directory is /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5. > > ------------------- Include directories ------------------- > > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5 > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/mach > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1 > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0/BSDPAN > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0/mach > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > > --------------------------- Home --------------------------- > > Good: changedir to /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5 succeeded. > > Good: Created a mock lock file. > > ---------------------- temp directory ---------------------- > > *BAD: Couldn't create a file in /usr/tmp.* > > ---------------------- list directory ---------------------- > > Good: list directory /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/lists has good > permissions. > > --------------------------- log --------------------------- > > Good: logfile /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/Log exists and is writeable. > > ------------------------- Mailers ------------------------- > > You have defined a mailer for delivery. > > Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. > > You have defined a mailer for delivering administrative messages. > > Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. > > ------------------ Checking majordomo.cf ------------------ > > Checking to see if there are new variables that should be in > > your majordomo.cf file...Nope, none that I see. > > Have you configured where Majordomo is? > > $whereami is sulima.com > > Good: yup! > > ----------------------- end of tests ----------------------- > > 1 bad thing was found. > > Please fix before attempting to run Majordomo. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks, > > Saffa > > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 21 14:15:15 2004 Received: from ns.sulima.com (unknown [66.187.154.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0603851C07 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from NGIEBINA (pcp04593849pcs.brnmll01.nj.comcast.net [68.45.108.223]) by ns.sulima.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0LNCtKY097251; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:12:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gbeima@sulima.com) From: "List Subscriptions" To: "'Daniel Liston'" , Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:58:51 -0500 Message-ID: <007e01c3e069$c1ca14a0$3002a8c0@redriven.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <400E0AB0.1010501@sonny.org> Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/32 X-Sequence-Number: 4300 Thanks all .. I resolved that problem couple of days ago. The wrapper is fine now. I just have to wrestle with majordomo alias now. I want to run a separate alias instead of the regular sendmail alias. Saffa > -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Liston Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:14 AM To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder Does /usr/tmp exist? Not as a link, but as a directory? Did you compile the wrapper on the new FreeBSD 5 box? If not, did you use the same uid:gid on the new box that you were using on the old one? Can we assUme you were on FreeBSD previously too? If you have not recompiled the wrapper on the new server, you "must" use the same uid:gid that you had on the old server. If you do recompile, check the TMPDIR variable in the Makefile to set it to the location of your choice. Dan Liston List Subscriptions wrote: > I moved MJ from a unit that has been working fine for the 3 years to > a new unit and later discovered that MJ is not working. After several > attempts without success, I decided to do a fresh install on the > new FreeBSD 5.0 box and copy the lists over . But no matter where I > point the "tmp" folder at in MJ.cf, the wrapper doesn't like it. It > just seems that it is stucked at */usr/tmp*. I have even made that > folder world writable to see if that can help. Below is the output > from the wrapper test: > ============================= ========= === > > Non obvious things that cause headaches: > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Good: 'require'd /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.cf okay. > > Good: found ctime.pl okay. > > Good: found majordomo_version.pl okay. > > Good: found majordomo.pl okay. > > Good: found shlock.pl okay. > > Good: found config_parse.pl okay. > > You're running Majordomo Version 1.94.5. > > --==> Majordomo home directory is /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5. > > ------------------- Include directories ------------------- > > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5 > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/mach > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1 > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0/BSDPAN > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0/mach > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.0 > > --------------------------- Home --------------------------- > > Good: changedir to /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5 succeeded. > > Good: Created a mock lock file. > > ---------------------- temp directory ---------------------- > > *BAD: Couldn't create a file in /usr/tmp.* > > ---------------------- list directory ---------------------- > > Good: list directory /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/lists has good > permissions. > > --------------------------- log --------------------------- > > Good: logfile /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/Log exists and is writeable. > > ------------------------- Mailers ------------------------- > > You have defined a mailer for delivery. > > Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. > > You have defined a mailer for delivering administrative messages. > > Attempting to verify that this is a valid mailer...looks okay. > > ------------------ Checking majordomo.cf ------------------ > > Checking to see if there are new variables that should be in > > your majordomo.cf file...Nope, none that I see. > > Have you configured where Majordomo is? > > $whereami is sulima.com > > Good: yup! > > ----------------------- end of tests ----------------------- > > 1 bad thing was found. > > Please fix before attempting to run Majordomo. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > > Thanks, > > Saffa > > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 21 21:36:58 2004 Received: from soln-sr234.solutionip.com (unknown [64.140.24.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F165F525C5 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.140.24.204] (helo=sonny.org) by soln-sr234.solutionip.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1AjXVw-00040g-00; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:36:24 -0600 Message-ID: <400F6157.7020001@sonny.org> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:36:23 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Subscriptions Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder References: <007f01c3e06e$0d968ae0$3002a8c0@redriven.com> In-Reply-To: <007f01c3e06e$0d968ae0$3002a8c0@redriven.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/33 X-Sequence-Number: 4301 Look at the directory permissions on /, /usr, /usr/members, /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5 to see if ANY of them have world or group "write" permission. IF they do, change it to only have owner write permission. This is a "sendmail" security requirement. Even easier, is to create a "root owned" link to /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases in the /etc/mail directory, then point your sendmail.cf mjaliases at this link instead of the source of the link in /usr/member/mj* before executing the newliases command. ln -s /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases Side note: any change to sendmail.cf requires a sendmail restart before the changes become active. To add the link to sendmail.cf via the sendmail.mc file, use a line similar to this one... define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases')dnl and rebuild sendmail.cf from it, then restart sendmail. m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Cheers, Dan Liston List Subscriptions wrote: > *Dan et al: > > I did overcome my initial problem couple of days ago but I have > another one. I am trying to use a separate aliases for for MJ. I have > added the aliases as necessary to sendmail.cf or MC4 and ran "make". > The file was processed without error but when I ran "newaliases", I > get these: > ----------------------------------------------------error msg > below--------------------------------------------------------------- > hash map "Alias1": unsafe map file > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases.db: Permission denied > WARNING: cannot open alias database > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases > Cannot create database for alias file > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases > --------------------------------------------- end of > msg--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone out there with a recommendation for this? > > Thanks, > > Saffa > >* > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Liston > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:14 AM > To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder > > > Does /usr/tmp exist? Not as a link, but as a directory? Did you > compile the wrapper on > the new FreeBSD 5 box? If not, did you use the same uid:gid on the new > box that you > were using on the old one? Can we assUme you were on FreeBSD previously > too? > > If you have not recompiled the wrapper on the new server, you "must" use > the same > uid:gid that you had on the old server. If you do recompile, check the > TMPDIR variable > in the Makefile to set it to the location of your choice. > > Dan Liston > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 22 00:56:55 2004 Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (unknown [69.31.1.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF16355CC1 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:32:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with smtp (FuseMail SMTP) id 1AjaFk-0005ks-46 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:31:52 -0600 Received: from 80.132.134.183 (FuseMail web user zeitenflug) by www.fusemail.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:31:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1525.80.132.134.183.1074760312.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:31:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: URGENT: majordomo defers e-mails From: "Tom Ahrendt" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Reply-To: zeitenflug@fusemail.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/34 X-Sequence-Number: 4302 hi there, got an urgent request, hope you can help. I set up Majordomo a year ago, and never ran into a problem with it till now. the problem is hard to describe since majordomo doesn't give anything but a simple "temporary failure". e-mails sent to the list get through to listname@server.com in /etc/postfix/aliases I have listname :"/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl |/usr/local/bin majordomo...." now, this gets executed as usual, the problem is when the e-mail gets forwarded to listname-outgoing then I simply get a "temporary failure" in /var/log/mail I'm using majordomo/postfix on SuSE Linux 8.1 with default packages I don't have the slightest clue as to how I'm supposed to debug. What can I do to find out while majordomo after a year resigned? What log files I could have a look at to find out? How can I run a debug test on majordomo to get a long error message? I'd be glad for any help at all, any guess, any URL, and I'd liek to resolve the problem as soon as possible before any user realizes the list isn't working properly. thanks! cu, Tom From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 22 08:54:07 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E8D545E4 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:53:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id 87CAD168020; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.org (c-24-16-147-19.client.comcast.net [24.16.147.19]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31CC168014; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <40100012.80102@queernet.org> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:53:38 -0800 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zeitenflug@fusemail.com Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: URGENT: majordomo defers e-mails References: <1525.80.132.134.183.1074760312.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> In-Reply-To: <1525.80.132.134.183.1074760312.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/35 X-Sequence-Number: 4303 Tom Ahrendt wrote: > I don't have the slightest clue as to how I'm supposed to debug. You could start by sending all of the full mail log messages instead of quoting two words out of context. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 22 09:27:36 2004 Received: from mail2.gmhwh.org (mail2.gmhwh.org [12.110.19.38]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EC4B535A9 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:27:29 -0800 (PST) X-Server-Uuid: 1ea73c7c-c7d8-11d5-bae0-0002a564cf8c Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:24:14 -0700 From: "Charlie Smith" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: The .config file for one of the lists has an item MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6C0ED8D01979705-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Archive-Number: 200401/36 X-Sequence-Number: 4304 When I look at list of recipients in rec'd email sent to list, I noticed that the email in the list are expanded. Is there a way to prevent this from happening so that only the list name shows up for list of recipients. The list name comes up under CC. I know there must be a way, but not sure how. Using GroupWise 6.0.2 client to receive email from MD 1.94.5. Ex. ... Recipients Action Date & Time sendersDomain.org GWPost.Office SmithCW BC (Charlie Smith) EverettJB (Joe Everett) MDDomain.org listNameHere CC Would it have something to do with sending directly to outgoing-list from priviledged alias? >> Charlie Smith wrote on 12/20/2003 7:05 PM >> I'm assuming that the ',' at the end of the test-owner and test-digestify line were typos. Is the ...majordomo/archives/test/test a file that will be created when mail is archived in the test directory? >>> "Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 01:28PM >>> With an email alias in the sendmail /etc/aliases file or an aliases file dedicated to majordomo as long as it is defined in the sendmail.cf file. Example aliases for a list that archives and digests messages; owner-test: test-owner test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" test-owner: you@your.domain, test-approval: test-owner test-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /var/lib/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing", test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" #test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" test-digest: test test-digest-owner: test-owner test-digest-request: test-owner test-digest-approval: test-owner test-digest-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@your.domain /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest" Dan Liston >>> "Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 09:50PM >>> The commas are not typos. They prevent sendmail from expanding the right hand side into the left hand side for the Received: headers of the outgoing messages. If you are using exim, qmail, or some other sendmail replacement, this might be unnecessary. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. ============================================================================== From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 22 17:31:48 2004 Received: from ns.sulima.com (unknown [66.187.154.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D4851AF9 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from NGIEBINA (pcp04593849pcs.brnmll01.nj.comcast.net [68.45.108.223]) by ns.sulima.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0N2SD6V041215; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:28:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gbeima@sulima.com) From: "List Subscriptions" To: "'Daniel Liston'" Cc: Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:14:22 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c3e14e$3c3f0e90$3002a8c0@redriven.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <400F6157.7020001@sonny.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/37 X-Sequence-Number: 4305 I think this thing has something in there that no matter what changes I make, it will display the same error. I removed MJ completely (I thought) from the system. Did a fresh installed. Now when I run wrapper test, I have 7 errors - more I got when I first installed it 3 years ago. I can't even attempt to be specific because I really don't think those many errors are coming from this machine. Is there maybe a hidden config file somewhere MJ uses? I have looked in /etc, /etc/mail, and cgi-bin. Nothing in these that anything to do with MJ. I am getting dis .. With it about. This is not the first time for me and I can't see what I am doing wrong now. Thanks, Saffa > -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Liston Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:36 AM To: List Subscriptions Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder Look at the directory permissions on /, /usr, /usr/members, /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5 to see if ANY of them have world or group "write" permission. IF they do, change it to only have owner write permission. This is a "sendmail" security requirement. Even easier, is to create a "root owned" link to /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases in the /etc/mail directory, then point your sendmail.cf mjaliases at this link instead of the source of the link in /usr/member/mj* before executing the newliases command. ln -s /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases Side note: any change to sendmail.cf requires a sendmail restart before the changes become active. To add the link to sendmail.cf via the sendmail.mc file, use a line similar to this one... define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases')dnl and rebuild sendmail.cf from it, then restart sendmail. m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Cheers, Dan Liston List Subscriptions wrote: > *Dan et al: > > I did overcome my initial problem couple of days ago but I have > another one. I am trying to use a separate aliases for for MJ. I have > added the aliases as necessary to sendmail.cf or MC4 and ran "make". > The file was processed without error but when I ran "newaliases", I > get these: > ----------------------------------------------------error msg > below--------------------------------------------------------------- > hash map "Alias1": unsafe map file > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases.db: Permission denied > WARNING: cannot open alias database > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases > Cannot create database for alias file > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases > --------------------------------------------- end of > msg--------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Anyone out there with a recommendation for this? > > Thanks, > > Saffa > >* > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Liston > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:14 AM > To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder > > > Does /usr/tmp exist? Not as a link, but as a directory? Did you > compile the wrapper on the new FreeBSD 5 box? If not, did you use the > same uid:gid on the new box that you > were using on the old one? Can we assUme you were on FreeBSD previously > too? > > If you have not recompiled the wrapper on the new server, you "must" > use the same uid:gid that you had on the old server. If you do > recompile, check the TMPDIR variable > in the Makefile to set it to the location of your choice. > > Dan Liston > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 22 17:40:29 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE7555E88 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id C93EF168027; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from roger (dsl081-190-082.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.190.82]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2E3168018; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:22:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" To: "'List Subscriptions'" Cc: Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:38:29 -0800 Message-ID: <7CEFA9CA4D5BE74586551915EC9C9C3380593C@consera1.corpnet.consera.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001e01c3e14e$3c3f0e90$3002a8c0@redriven.com> Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/38 X-Sequence-Number: 4306 Time for my soapbox, but... I can't understand why anyone starting with a clean solution would use Mj1. Given the prevalence of Mailman, and the ability of Mj2 to import existing Mj1 lists and configs...! > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of > List Subscriptions > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:14 PM > To: 'Daniel Liston' > Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: [majordomo-users] MJ problem with tmp folder > > > I think this thing has something in there that no matter what > changes I > make, it will display the same error. > > I removed MJ completely (I thought) from the system. Did a fresh > installed. Now when I run wrapper test, I have 7 errors - more I got > when I first installed it 3 years ago. I can't even attempt to be > specific because I really don't think those many errors are > coming from > this machine. Is there maybe a hidden config file somewhere MJ uses? I > have looked in /etc, /etc/mail, and cgi-bin. Nothing in these that > anything to do with MJ. > > I am getting dis .. With it about. This is not the first time > for me and > I can't see what I am doing wrong now. > > Thanks, > > Saffa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel > Liston > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:36 AM > To: List Subscriptions > Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder > > > Look at the directory permissions on /, /usr, /usr/members, > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5 > to see if ANY of them have world or group "write" permission. > IF they > do, change it to > only have owner write permission. This is a "sendmail" security > requirement. > > Even easier, is to create a "root owned" link to > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases > in the /etc/mail directory, then point your sendmail.cf mjaliases at > this link instead of the source of > the link in /usr/member/mj* before executing the newliases command. > > ln -s /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases > /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases > > Side note: any change to sendmail.cf requires a sendmail > restart before > the changes become active. > > To add the link to sendmail.cf via the sendmail.mc file, use a line > similar to this one... > > define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases')dnl > > and rebuild sendmail.cf from it, then restart sendmail. > > m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf > > Cheers, > Dan Liston > > > List Subscriptions wrote: > > > *Dan et al: > > > > I did overcome my initial problem couple of days ago but I have > > another one. I am trying to use a separate aliases for for > MJ. I have > > added the aliases as necessary to sendmail.cf or MC4 and > ran "make". > > The file was processed without error but when I ran "newaliases", I > > get these: > > ----------------------------------------------------error msg > > below--------------------------------------------------------------- > > hash map "Alias1": unsafe map file > > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases.db: Permission denied > > WARNING: cannot open alias database > > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases > > Cannot create database for alias file > > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases > > --------------------------------------------- end of > > > msg----------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > ------ > > Anyone out there with a recommendation for this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Saffa > > >* > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel > Liston > > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:14 AM > > To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > > Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder > > > > > > Does /usr/tmp exist? Not as a link, but as a directory? Did you > > compile the wrapper on the new FreeBSD 5 box? If not, did > you use the > > > same uid:gid on the new box that you > > were using on the old one? Can we assUme you were on FreeBSD > previously > > too? > > > > If you have not recompiled the wrapper on the new server, > you "must" > > use the same uid:gid that you had on the old server. If you do > > recompile, check the TMPDIR variable > > in the Makefile to set it to the location of your choice. > > > > Dan Liston > > > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 23 01:56:37 2004 Received: from soln-sr234.solutionip.com (unknown [64.140.24.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7185300B for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.140.24.202] (helo=sonny.org) by soln-sr234.solutionip.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1Ajx0I-0002Ac-00 for Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:49:26 -0600 Message-ID: <4010E016.8040008@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:49:26 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder References: <001e01c3e14e$3c3f0e90$3002a8c0@redriven.com> In-Reply-To: <001e01c3e14e$3c3f0e90$3002a8c0@redriven.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/39 X-Sequence-Number: 4307 If you have uninstalled, you probably only have the list membership files and the .configs to go with them, in the "lists" directory. You need to understand your mail system, and some DNS for mail routing (MX records), before you can understand the requirements majordomo puts on them. Assuming you still have your majordomo user in the password and shadow files, and the majordomo $HOME directory defined, you can still re-install. Just make sure you read all the intructions in the INSTALL file, and properly edit the Makefile before you compile the wrapper. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 23 11:33:59 2004 Received: from upsilon.servers.ci.keene.nh.us (gatekeeper.ci.keene.nh.us [64.215.199.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C15350C17 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:33:49 -0800 (PST) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Trying To Install Majordomo on Solaris/Apache Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:33:48 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Trying To Install Majordomo on Solaris/Apache Thread-Index: AcPh59LvtiXOHr/4TIqrEMhTZOqMMg== From: "Rebecca Landry" To: X-Archive-Number: 200401/40 X-Sequence-Number: 4308 I am a novice Solaris admin and trying to get Majordomo installed on our Ap= ache server. I am receiving the following error when trying to do a "make = wrapper". Any suggestions? cc -DBIN=3D\"/usr/apache/majordomo\" -DPATH=3D\"PATH=3D/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/= ucb\" -DHc sh: cc: not found *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `wrapper' Thanks, RL From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 23 11:41:28 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C377B561F8 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id 4C224168028; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from roger (dsl081-190-082.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.190.82]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E3C168023; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:24:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" To: "'Rebecca Landry'" , Subject: Re: Trying To Install Majordomo on Solaris/Apache Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:40:39 -0800 Message-ID: <7CEFA9CA4D5BE74586551915EC9C9C33805942@consera1.corpnet.consera.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/41 X-Sequence-Number: 4309 > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of > Rebecca Landry > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:34 AM > To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com > Subject: [majordomo-users] Trying To Install Majordomo on > Solaris/Apache > > > I am a novice Solaris admin and trying to get Majordomo > installed on our Apache server. I am receiving the following > error when trying to do a "make wrapper". Any suggestions? > > cc -DBIN=\"/usr/apache/majordomo\" > -DPATH=\"PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb\" -DHc > sh: cc: not found > *** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `wrapper' Install a compiler -- cc if you have a license, gcc if not. The wrapper is distributed as source code that requires compilation. If you use gcc, your command needs to be make CC=gcc wrapper From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 23 13:56:18 2004 Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA43563D3 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:56:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with smtp (FuseMail SMTP) id 1Ak9HX-0005Hx-A5 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:56:03 -0600 Received: from 212.144.128.44 (FuseMail web user zeitenflug) by www.fusemail.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:56:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1292.212.144.128.44.1074894970.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:56:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: URGENT: majordomo defers e-mails From: "Tom Ahrendt" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Reply-To: zeitenflug@fusemail.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/42 X-Sequence-Number: 4310 There isn't much context: Jan 22 01:06:36 FOO postfix/local[28944]: 2FFEB1B35A3: to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=deferred (temporary failure) I'd be very glad if anyone told me where to look for more information. Is there any log file that may have more information on what's going on? Any way I can get more information about what's going wrong? Any place to look for a decent error message? > Tom Ahrendt wrote: > > I don't have the slightest clue as to how I'm supposed to debug. > > You could start by sending all of the full mail log messages instead of > quoting two words out of context. > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 23 17:49:34 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CB154C23 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id 0DAC316802A; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.org (c-24-16-147-19.client.comcast.net [24.16.147.19]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FEC168029; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:33:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4011CF25.6000300@queernet.org> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:49:25 -0800 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zeitenflug@fusemail.com Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: URGENT: majordomo defers e-mails References: <1292.212.144.128.44.1074894970.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> In-Reply-To: <1292.212.144.128.44.1074894970.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/43 X-Sequence-Number: 4311 Tom Ahrendt wrote: > There isn't much context: > > Jan 22 01:06:36 FOO postfix/local[28944]: 2FFEB1B35A3: > to=, relay=local, delay=1, > status=deferred (temporary failure) And that's the only log entry for 2FFEB1B35A3? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 24 19:23:16 2004 Received: from web60207.mail.yahoo.com (web60207.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.102]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A04A955EDE for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:21:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20040125032100.53030.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.128.111.197] by web60207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:21:00 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:21:00 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?= Subject: Spam getting to list To: major MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/44 X-Sequence-Number: 4312 hello, We've just had what seems to be our first spam through to the list; the apparent address of the sender is not on the system as a subscriber. I know Daniel has pointed out the weaknesses of our majordomo installation before, but we are unable to get any real back-up from our host. I'm currently testing some other solutions on my own server account anyway. In the meantime, in case anyone can advise on any reasons or remedies for spam like this, the full headers of the message are below. There was no actual content in the text body, but this may have been stripped by our html patch. I'll be interested to see how the digest has reacted to the message. In the below headers, the 'incel_list@yahoo' address is just one of my own accounts which I have subscribed to the list for monitoring messages. The actual list write-to address is the 'incel@saturnus.com'. thanks, lee X-Apparently-To: incel_list@yahoo.co.uk via 217.12.10.69; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:56:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from 67.70.243.35 (EHLO shamus.saturnus.com) (67.70.243.35) by mta108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:56:34 +0000 Received: from shamus.saturnus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0OLgU93027813 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:42:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0OLgUg3027812 for incel-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:42:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: shamus.saturnus.com: majordom set sender to owner-incel@saturnus.com using -f Message-ID: <1788$80ph82$-9y3-v@koj.zgf6c> From: "Queen Lewis" | This is Spam | Add to Address Book To: incel@saturnus.com Subject: [incel] fast weight |oss r5s Date: Sun, 25 Jan 04 16:37:20 GMT X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Sender: owner-incel@saturnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: incel@saturnus.com Content-Length: 60 ---------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 24 19:38:58 2004 Received: from ns.sulima.com (unknown [66.187.154.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCF255F31 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from NGIEBINA (pcp04593849pcs.brnmll01.nj.comcast.net [68.45.108.223]) by ns.sulima.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0P4X3D3048668; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:33:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gbeima@sulima.com) From: "List Subscriptions" To: "'List Subscriptions'" , "'Daniel Liston'" Cc: Subject: Resend Issue Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:19:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c3e2f2$0f716ac0$3002a8c0@redriven.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001e01c3e14e$3c3f0e90$3002a8c0@redriven.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 X-Archive-Number: 200401/46 X-Sequence-Number: 4314 Little info first ... I have finished setting up a fresh install of Majordomo. I moved the list folder from previous working setup to the new machine and configured, made and installed wrapper, and tested. Then I edited the aliases file to reflect new folder locations, ran "newaliases" things looked fine. When I sent a test msg to the list, I got nothing and in the log file I found bunch of resend errors(repeats) below. I have looked over the list files associated with this list but can't find something to heap me out. What do I need to do to make the old lists work with this new installation? ===================================================================== Jan 24 23:13:11 xxxxxxxx.com resend[24084] {obba} WARNING Can't read /members/lists/lists/obba: No such file or directory ===================================================================== Thnx Saffa > -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Liston Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:36 AM To: List Subscriptions Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder Look at the directory permissions on /, /usr, /usr/members, /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5 to see if ANY of them have world or group "write" permission. IF they do, change it to only have owner write permission. This is a "sendmail" security requirement. Even easier, is to create a "root owned" link to /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases in the /etc/mail directory, then point your sendmail.cf mjaliases at this link instead of the source of the link in /usr/member/mj* before executing the newliases command. ln -s /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases Side note: any change to sendmail.cf requires a sendmail restart before the changes become active. To add the link to sendmail.cf via the sendmail.mc file, use a line similar to this one... define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mail/majordomo.aliases')dnl and rebuild sendmail.cf from it, then restart sendmail. m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Cheers, Dan Liston List Subscriptions wrote: > *Dan et al: > > I did overcome my initial problem couple of days ago but I have > another one. I am trying to use a separate aliases for for MJ. I have > added the aliases as necessary to sendmail.cf or MC4 and ran "make". > The file was processed without error but when I ran "newaliases", I > get these: ----------------------------------------------------error > msg > below--------------------------------------------------------------- > hash map "Alias1": unsafe map file > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases.db: Permission denied > WARNING: cannot open alias database > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases > Cannot create database for alias file > /usr/members/mj1945-1.94.5/majordomo.aliases > --------------------------------------------- end of > msg--------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Anyone out there with a recommendation for this? > > Thanks, > > Saffa > >* > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Liston > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:14 AM > To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: MJ problem with tmp folder > > > Does /usr/tmp exist? Not as a link, but as a directory? Did you > compile the wrapper on the new FreeBSD 5 box? If not, did you use the > same uid:gid on the new box that you > were using on the old one? Can we assUme you were on FreeBSD previously > too? > > If you have not recompiled the wrapper on the new server, you "must" > use the same uid:gid that you had on the old server. If you do > recompile, check the TMPDIR variable > in the Makefile to set it to the location of your choice. > > Dan Liston > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 24 23:29:23 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB2A5434C for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 3167574 for multiple; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:20:50 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (24-116-62-28.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.62.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0P7LMFX010426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:21:27 -0600 Message-ID: <40136E6F.1070404@sonny.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:21:19 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Subscriptions Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Resend Issue References: <000701c3e2f2$0f716ac0$3002a8c0@redriven.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c3e2f2$0f716ac0$3002a8c0@redriven.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/47 X-Sequence-Number: 4315 List Subscriptions wrote: > Little info first ... Almost too little info. Your messages really lack sufficient information for me to answer your questions. Please provide "exact" details of what you have done so far. > > I have finished setting up a fresh install of Majordomo. I moved the > list folder from previous working setup to the new machine and > configured, made and installed wrapper, and tested. Then I edited the > aliases file to reflect new folder locations, ran "newaliases" things > looked fine. Please define "tested", exactly what your edits were, and "looked fine". > > When I sent a test msg to the list, I got nothing and in the log file I > found bunch of resend errors(repeats) below. I have looked over the list > files associated with this list but can't find something to heap me out. Please post an "example" of your virtusertable, aliases, and .config file for one of your lists. How do you expect us to tell you what you have done wrong, if we can not see what you have done. You could also include an " ls -l " of your majordomo and lists directories so we can see ownership and permission information. Knowing what your majordomo uid:gid is before seeing the ownership of the above would also be helpful. > > What do I need to do to make the old lists work with this new > installation? The same way you make a new list work with this new installation. Have you tried creating a new list for testing? > > ===================================================================== > Jan 24 23:13:11 xxxxxxxx.com resend[24084] {obba} WARNING Can't read > /members/lists/lists/obba: No such file or directory > ===================================================================== > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 04:16:27 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B24653368 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bigfoot.com (unverified [24.119.1.225]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 3178227 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:15:31 -0700 Message-ID: <4013A748.2010608@bigfoot.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:23:52 -0700 From: Kim Gross Organization: jensalt.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: major Subject: OT Sendmail question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/48 X-Sequence-Number: 4316 I have a majordomo install that I use for a couple of mailing lists. Right now, I can not use my majordomo install. My ISP has decided to block outbound port 25 so I am unable to send out any mail. I have been doing some research on this, and I have found references to configuring sendmail to send all outbound mail to a specific system rather than to the system listed in the mx record. I can not find any info other that statues that it can be done. Does anybody know how to do this? Or know where to find a howto on configure sendmail to do this? Thanks in advance. Kim Gross From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 05:43:20 2004 Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714635623D for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with smtp (FuseMail SMTP) id 1Akjep-0003J2-M4; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:46:31 -0600 Received: from 217.3.255.113 (FuseMail web user zeitenflug) by www.fusemail.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:46:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1426.217.3.255.113.1075034794.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4011CF25.6000300@queernet.org> References: <1292.212.144.128.44.1074894970.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> <4011CF25.6000300@queernet.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:46:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: URGENT: majordomo defers e-mails From: "Tom Ahrendt" To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Reply-To: zeitenflug@fusemail.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/49 X-Sequence-Number: 4317 Roger, it's really great you're trying to help, but I didn't ask you to fix my problem for me. I'll try to do that on my own. I DO need help, however, when it comes to finding out WHERE I have to look to find out what the problem is. Of course, there are several entries in the mail log referring to this e-mail, but that's only about how the SMTP server of the list member connected to my server, and how the e-mail was accepted, nothing out of the ordinary, no error messages, and no information that is in any way different from any log entry of any e-mail sent to my account. The only difference is the "temporary failure" part for every e-mail directed at the majordomo list. And I don't know why this is, where it comes from and where I could find more error messages. I do not know how to debug majordomo, and that's why I ask. If you ask me, this can be a problem of Postfix as well as a problem of Majordomo. I just don't know, and I don't know how I can find out, because all other e-mail is delivered just fine, and I don't find any other error message. When I run wrapper with config-test it displays "no problem encountered", and there's no entry in majordomo's log that could help me. So, again, is there anybody here on the list who can give me some advice regarding WHERE to look and WHAT to look for. I don't know why majordomo doesn't accept e-mails anymore, and I'd like to find out as soon as possible. Any help is really appreciated. cu, Tom > Tom Ahrendt wrote: > >> There isn't much context: >> >> Jan 22 01:06:36 FOO postfix/local[28944]: 2FFEB1B35A3: >> to=, relay=local, delay=1, >> status=deferred (temporary failure) > > And that's the only log entry for 2FFEB1B35A3? > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 08:38:01 2004 Received: from franklin-belle.com (adsl-65-68-247-73.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [65.68.247.73]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8649250745 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sagea (sagea.sage-american [10.0.0.3]) by franklin-belle.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with SMTP id i0PGau0k061660 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:36:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20040125103657.01e41000@10.0.0.15> X-Sender: jacks@10.0.0.15 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:36:57 -0600 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: "Jack L. Stone" Subject: Perl5 update vs MJ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=4.5 tests=AWL,MDS_Swen_A_9 autolearn=ham version=2.63-sageame.rules_v3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63-sageame.rules_v3.1 (2004-01-11) on franklin-belle.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/50 X-Sequence-Number: 4318 I running FBSD-4.8-RELEASE on all servers. The base system is still running an older version of Perl5 (5.005) and I am updating the machines to Perl-5.6.1 (don't want v5.8 yet) mainly because another program is going to require it. I am getting ready to do the Perl5 update on the first machine running MJ which I have running just fine as is with the old Perl5. Does anyone know of any issues (good or bad) affecting MJ with Perl v5.6.1 and up? Thanks for any feedback... Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Administrator Sage American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 09:02:31 2004 Received: from mail.bcpl.net (mail.bcpl.net [204.255.212.10]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E369855DED for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:02:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bcpl.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bcpl.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0PH2S9Q008861 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (fold@localhost) by mail.bcpl.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id i0PH2RgZ008855 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:02:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.bcpl.net: fold owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:02:27 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old X-X-Sender: fold@mail To: MAJORDOMO-USERS Subject: Re: Perl5 update vs MJ In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040125103657.01e41000@10.0.0.15> Message-ID: References: <3.0.5.32.20040125103657.01e41000@10.0.0.15> X-Organization: BCPL.NET Internet Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@bcpl.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200401/51 X-Sequence-Number: 4319 On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:36 -0600, Jack L. Stone wrote: > I running FBSD-4.8-RELEASE on all servers. The base system is still > running an older version of Perl5 (5.005) and I am updating the machines > to Perl-5.6.1 (don't want v5.8 yet) mainly because another program is > going to require it. > > I am getting ready to do the Perl5 update on the first machine running > MJ which I have running just fine as is with the old Perl5. > > Does anyone know of any issues (good or bad) affecting MJ with Perl > v5.6.1 and up? I use Majordomo with Perl 5.6.1 on a Solaris 9 machine without any problems. -- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) E-Mail: fold@bcpl.net Manager, BCPL Network Services Phone: 410-887-6180 Manager, BCPL.NET Internet Services FAX: 410-887-2091 320 York Road Towson, MD 21204 USA From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 09:26:42 2004 Received: from host.bardicsolutions.net (host.bardicsolutions.net [208.186.130.196]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF76350A24 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bard.bard.net (adsl-211-20-7.asm.bellsouth.net [68.211.20.7]) by host.bardicsolutions.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0PKPn8P005973; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:25:49 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040125121831.03cac6c0@bardicsolutions.net> X-Sender: webmaster@bardicsolutions.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:24:23 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: webmaster@bard.net Subject: Re: OT Sendmail question Cc: Kim Gross In-Reply-To: <4013A748.2010608@bigfoot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 X-Archive-Number: 200401/52 X-Sequence-Number: 4320 Here are the settings in the sendmail.mc file that can be used in these situations: If you want all outgoing mail to go to a central relay site, define SMART_HOST. define(`SMART_HOST',`mailserver.yourisp.com')dnl I would suggest you read the sendmail readme file section available here: http://www.sendmail.org/m4/masquerading_relaying.html This should answer all your questions. If you continue to have problems, please contact me off-list and I'll do what I can to help. Regards, At 04:23 AM 1/25/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I have a majordomo install that I use for a couple of mailing lists. >Right now, I can not use my majordomo install. > >My ISP has decided to block outbound port 25 so I am unable to send out >any mail. I have been doing some research on this, and I have found >references to configuring sendmail to send all outbound mail to a specific >system rather than to the system listed in the mx record. I can not find >any info other that statues that it can be done. Does anybody know how to >do this? Or know where to find a howto on configure sendmail to do this? >Thanks in advance. > >Kim Gross Michael K Donohue Webmaster/Sys Admin Bardic Solutions http://www.bard.net webmaster@bard.net From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 11:10:49 2004 Received: from fuse1.fusemail.net (smtp.fusemail.net [69.31.1.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35BC5587C for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fusemail.com by fuse1.fusemail.net with smtp (FuseMail SMTP) id 1AkpeW-0003hP-Uq; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:10:36 -0600 Received: from 212.144.131.68 (FuseMail web user zeitenflug) by www.fusemail.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:10:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1147.212.144.131.68.1075057843.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> In-Reply-To: <40140E8B.7030306@queernet.org> References: <1292.212.144.128.44.1074894970.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> <4011CF25.6000300@queernet.org> <1426.217.3.255.113.1075034794.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> <40140E8B.7030306@queernet.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:10:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: URGENT: majordomo defers e-mails From: "Tom Ahrendt" To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com Reply-To: zeitenflug@fusemail.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/53 X-Sequence-Number: 4321 Roger, > "LOGS". At least, we're getting somewhere... now, WHAT logs would he talk about exactly? ;-) I'm sorry if I sounded rude. It's just so depressing when you're doing greps and ls's and vis and cats the whole day without any clue what you're supposed to do, and where you're supposed to find a little piece of information that could help you figure out what to do. > It's a Postfix error, not a Majordomo error. Postfix is getting > EX_TEMPFAIL. > > That mans either resend is *returning* EX_TEMPFAIL to it, or Postfix is > generating it. > > Postfix generates EX_TEMPFAIL mainly when it cannot lock a file. That sounds like something. The problem is, there's no postfix log, I mean, except /var/log/mail of course. Isn't there any connection between this postfix error and majordomo? The error only occurs when an e-mail is supposed to be processed by majordomo. What could I do? cu, Tom From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 11:18:09 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37789564E2 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id 96CD1168026; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.org (c-24-16-147-19.client.comcast.net [24.16.147.19]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913B9168013; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:56:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <40141561.4000005@queernet.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:13:37 -0800 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zeitenflug@fusemail.com Cc: majordomo-users@GreatCircle.com Subject: Re: URGENT: majordomo defers e-mails References: <1292.212.144.128.44.1074894970.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> <4011CF25.6000300@queernet.org> <1426.217.3.255.113.1075034794.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> <40140E8B.7030306@queernet.org> <1147.212.144.131.68.1075057843.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> In-Reply-To: <1147.212.144.131.68.1075057843.squirrel@www.fusemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/54 X-Sequence-Number: 4322 Tom Ahrendt wrote: > Roger, > > >>"LOGS". > > > At least, we're getting somewhere... now, WHAT logs would he talk about > exactly? ;-) ALL of the lines for that message from the maillog -- you may have missed something. >>It's a Postfix error, not a Majordomo error. Postfix is getting >>EX_TEMPFAIL. >> >>That mans either resend is *returning* EX_TEMPFAIL to it, or Postfix is >>generating it. >> >>Postfix generates EX_TEMPFAIL mainly when it cannot lock a file. > > > That sounds like something. The problem is, there's no postfix log, I > mean, except /var/log/mail of course. Isn't there any connection between > this postfix error and majordomo? The error only occurs when an e-mail is > supposed to be processed by majordomo. What could I do? See how Postfix is handing off the mail to Majordomo, and how Majordomo is handing off the mail to Postfix. Raise the debug level for 127.0.0.1 for Postfix. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 15:14:30 2004 Received: from ns.sulima.com (unknown [66.187.154.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8DF5685E for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from NGIEBINA (pcp04593849pcs.brnmll01.nj.comcast.net [68.45.108.223]) by ns.sulima.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0Q0BkwA065903; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:11:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gbeima@sulima.com) From: "List Subscriptions" To: "'Daniel Liston'" Cc: Subject: Re: Resend Issue Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:58:21 -0500 Message-ID: <04df01c3e396$bb5eaf10$3002a8c0@redriven.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: <40136E6F.1070404@sonny.org> X-Archive-Number: 200401/55 X-Sequence-Number: 4323 Thanks .. Don't worry about it. I have answered myself and MJ is up and running again! Saffa > -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Liston Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 2:21 AM To: List Subscriptions Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Resend Issue List Subscriptions wrote: > Little info first ... Almost too little info. Your messages really lack sufficient information for me to answer your questions. Please provide "exact" details of what you have done so far. > > I have finished setting up a fresh install of Majordomo. I moved the > list folder from previous working setup to the new machine and > configured, made and installed wrapper, and tested. Then I edited the > aliases file to reflect new folder locations, ran "newaliases" things > looked fine. Please define "tested", exactly what your edits were, and "looked fine". > > When I sent a test msg to the list, I got nothing and in the log file > I found bunch of resend errors(repeats) below. I have looked over the > list files associated with this list but can't find something to heap > me out. Please post an "example" of your virtusertable, aliases, and .config file for one of your lists. How do you expect us to tell you what you have done wrong, if we can not see what you have done. You could also include an " ls -l " of your majordomo and lists directories so we can see ownership and permission information. Knowing what your majordomo uid:gid is before seeing the ownership of the above would also be helpful. > > What do I need to do to make the old lists work with this new > installation? The same way you make a new list work with this new installation. Have you tried creating a new list for testing? > > ===================================================================== > Jan 24 23:13:11 xxxxxxxx.com resend[24084] {obba} WARNING Can't read > /members/lists/lists/obba: No such file or directory > ===================================================================== > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 16:29:44 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017C75658C for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 3238768 for multiple; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:20:53 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0PNu9FX027195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:56:22 -0600 Message-ID: <401457BB.6040306@sonny.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:56:43 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List Subscriptions Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Resend Issue References: <04df01c3e396$bb5eaf10$3002a8c0@redriven.com> In-Reply-To: <04df01c3e396$bb5eaf10$3002a8c0@redriven.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/56 X-Sequence-Number: 4324 So was the answer you gave yourself simple or complex? You have provided us with a mystery, and now that we are at the end, you have not told us "who dun it". How did you solve the problem, so the next person digging through the archives may be able to find their own answers. Dan Liston List Subscriptions wrote: > Thanks .. Don't worry about it. I have answered myself and MJ is up and > running again! > > Saffa From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 16:29:48 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242B356785 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 3238767 for multiple; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:20:53 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0PNlGFX027168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:47:18 -0600 Message-ID: <401455A6.9080305@sonny.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:47:50 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jack L. Stone" Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Perl5 update vs MJ References: <3.0.5.32.20040125103657.01e41000@10.0.0.15> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040125103657.01e41000@10.0.0.15> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/57 X-Sequence-Number: 4325 I have run perl 5.6.1 and 5.8.0 successfully with majordomo without any issues on Solaris 8 & 9, and Redhat 8 & 9. I have not bothered to upgrade my FreeBSD boxes since 2.2.8. At 3.0 they dropped support for my SCSI devices and haven't ported them back in. Dan Liston Jack L. Stone wrote: > I running FBSD-4.8-RELEASE on all servers. The base system is still running > an older version of Perl5 (5.005) and I am updating the machines to > Perl-5.6.1 (don't want v5.8 yet) mainly because another program is going to > require it. > > I am getting ready to do the Perl5 update on the first machine running MJ > which I have running just fine as is with the old Perl5. > > Does anyone know of any issues (good or bad) affecting MJ with Perl v5.6.1 > and up? > > Thanks for any feedback... > > Best regards, > Jack L. Stone, > Administrator > > Sage American > http://www.sage-american.com > jacks@sage-american.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 16:33:06 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1225856607 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 3238766 for multiple; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:20:53 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0PNWOFX027126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:32:26 -0600 Message-ID: <4014522A.8000401@sonny.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:32:58 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kim Gross Cc: major Subject: Re: OT Sendmail question References: <4013A748.2010608@bigfoot.com> In-Reply-To: <4013A748.2010608@bigfoot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/58 X-Sequence-Number: 4326 Look for this line in your sendmail.mc file, dnl define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.your.provider') change it to define(`SMART_HOST',`mail.your.isp')dnl then rebuild your sendmail.cf and restart sendmail. NOTE: smtp.your.provider is literal, but mail.your.isp is not. Dan Liston Kim Gross wrote: > I have a majordomo install that I use for a couple of mailing lists. > Right now, I can not use my majordomo install. > > My ISP has decided to block outbound port 25 so I am unable to send out > any mail. I have been doing some research on this, and I have found > references to configuring sendmail to send all outbound mail to a > specific system rather than to the system listed in the mx record. I > can not find any info other that statues that it can be done. Does > anybody know how to do this? Or know where to find a howto on configure > sendmail to do this? > Thanks in advance. > > Kim Gross From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Jan 25 22:31:31 2004 Received: from franklin-belle.com (adsl-65-68-247-73.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [65.68.247.73]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FBA55D06 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sagea (sagea.sage-american [10.0.0.3]) by franklin-belle.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with SMTP id i0Q6Ui0k094073; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:30:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20040126003044.01e58610@10.0.0.15> X-Sender: jacks@10.0.0.15 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:30:44 -0600 To: Daniel Liston From: "Jack L. Stone" Subject: Re: Perl5 update vs MJ Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <401455A6.9080305@sonny.org> References: <3.0.5.32.20040125103657.01e41000@10.0.0.15> <3.0.5.32.20040125103657.01e41000@10.0.0.15> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=4.5 tests=AWL,MDS_Swen_A_9,MY_OBFUX, MY_OBFU_MISC autolearn=no version=2.63-sageame.rules_v3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63-sageame.rules_v3.1 (2004-01-11) on franklin-belle.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/59 X-Sequence-Number: 4327 At 05:47 PM 1.25.2004 -0600, Daniel Liston wrote: >I have run perl 5.6.1 and 5.8.0 successfully with majordomo without any issues >on Solaris 8 & 9, and Redhat 8 & 9. I have not bothered to upgrade my FreeBSD >boxes since 2.2.8. At 3.0 they dropped support for my SCSI devices and haven't >ported them back in. > >Dan Liston > >Jack L. Stone wrote: > >> I running FBSD-4.8-RELEASE on all servers. The base system is still running >> an older version of Perl5 (5.005) and I am updating the machines to >> Perl-5.6.1 (don't want v5.8 yet) mainly because another program is going to >> require it. >> >> I am getting ready to do the Perl5 update on the first machine running MJ >> which I have running just fine as is with the old Perl5. >> >> Does anyone know of any issues (good or bad) affecting MJ with Perl v5.6.1 >> and up? >> >> Thanks for any feedback... >> Thanks for the replies. Just finished upgrading the Perl5 on the first mail server. Everything seems fine..... MJ still working. Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Administrator Sage American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jan 26 06:49:50 2004 Received: from mail3.gmhwh.org (unknown [198.31.239.197]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C605270F for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from 192.168.8.246 by mail3.gmhwh.org with ESMTP ( (MMS v5.5.3)); Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:51:08 -0600 Received: from WH-INET-MTA by wh-inet.gmhwh.org with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:48:40 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:48:18 -0700 From: "Charlie Smith" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: How to get only list name in list of recipients when sending to list? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6C0BF6D6103592-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Archive-Number: 200401/60 X-Sequence-Number: 4328 When I look at list of recipients in rec'd email sent to list, I noticed that the email in the list are expanded. Is there a way to prevent this from happening so that only the list name shows up for list of recipients. The list name comes up under CC. I know there must be a way, but not sure how. Using GroupWise 6.0.2 client to receive email from MD 1.94.5. Ex. ... Recipients Action Date & Time sendersDomain.org GWPost.Office SmithCW BC (Charlie Smith) EverettJB (Joe Everett) MDDomain.org listNameHere CC Would it have something to do with sending directly to outgoing-list from priviledged alias? >> Charlie Smith wrote on 12/20/2003 7:05 PM >> I'm assuming that the ',' at the end of the test-owner and test-digestify line were typos. Is the ...majordomo/archives/test/test a file that will be created when mail is archived in the test directory? >>> "Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 01:28PM >>> With an email alias in the sendmail /etc/aliases file or an aliases file dedicated to majordomo as long as it is defined in the sendmail.cf file. Example aliases for a list that archives and digests messages; owner-test: test-owner test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" test-owner: you@your.domain, test-approval: test-owner test-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /var/lib/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing", test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" #test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" test-digest: test test-digest-owner: test-owner test-digest-request: test-owner test-digest-approval: test-owner test-digest-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@your.domain /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest" Dan Liston >>> "Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 09:50PM >>> The commas are not typos. They prevent sendmail from expanding the right hand side into the left hand side for the Received: headers of the outgoing messages. If you are using exim, qmail, or some other sendmail replacement, this might be unnecessary. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. ============================================================================== From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jan 26 07:03:00 2004 Received: from mail3.gmhwh.org (unknown [198.31.239.197]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6101256EE4 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from 192.168.8.246 by mail3.gmhwh.org with ESMTP ( (MMS v5.5.3)); Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:58:50 -0600 Received: from WH-INET-MTA by wh-inet.gmhwh.org with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:56:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:55:58 -0700 From: "Charlie Smith" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: how to monitor spam and take action? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6C0BF4A0104442-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Archive-Number: 200401/61 X-Sequence-Number: 4329 I've noticed quite a few lines lines in my maillogs as following. Looks like someone is trying to use my server as a relay agent. Is there a way to detect the message that sender wants to relay? Also, if material proves to be inappropriate (pornographic or even just spam), is there a legal channel to persue to get this sort of thing stopped? ... Jan 25 03:34:08 servername sendmail[27473]: i0PAY8Vl027473: 24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137], reject=550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: lost input channel from 24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] to MTA after rcpt Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: from=, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] ... From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jan 26 11:30:05 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F0B513D3 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 3352666 for multiple; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:20:50 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0QIuhFX031728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:56:45 -0600 Message-ID: <4015630A.7000907@sonny.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:57:14 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie Smith Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: how to monitor spam and take action? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/62 X-Sequence-Number: 4330 Cableone.net is also one of my providers. They have strict TOS/AUA. Start by reporting the abuse to postmaster or abuse at cableone.net. Since the IPs you are reporting are not in my netmask, I am not sure if they block outgoing port 25 like my service does. I moaned and groaned when they did this to me, but it is for the overall good of the internet. Suggest it to them. The dashed IP and "cpe" indicates an end user account (Customer Premises Equipment). Considering they are also using "example.com", tells me they are not very sophisticated and may have unintelligently or randomly selected your IP as a smart host for outgoing mail. Then again, I try to assUme the best rather than the worst in people. I could easily be wrong. As for seeing the message that is getting rejected, you would have to make a couple changes to your sendmail.cf that may not be worth the effort, as you will end up with VERY LARGE log files. First, bump up the "O LogLevel=9" to "O LogLevel=15" or higher. # log level # 0 Minimal logging. # 1 Serious system failures and potential security problems. # 2 Lost communications (network problems) and protocol failures. # 3 Other serious failures, malformed addresses, transient forward/include # errors, connection timeouts. # 4 Minor failures, out of date alias databases, connection rejections via # check_ rulesets. # 5 Message collection statistics. # 6 Creation of error messages, VRFY and EXPN commands. # 7 Delivery failures (host or user unknown, etc.). # 8 Successful deliveries and alias database rebuilds. # 9 Messages being deferred (due to a host being down, etc.). # 10 Database expansion (alias, forward, and userdb lookups). # 11 NIS errors and end of job processing. # 12 Logs all SMTP connections. # 13 Log bad user shells, files with improper permissions, and other # questionable situations. # 14 Logs refused connections. # 15 Log all incoming and outgoing SMTP commands. # 20 Logs attempts to run locked queue files. These are not errors, but # can be useful to note if your queue appears to be clogged. # 30 Lost locks (only if using lockf instead of flock). # 16-98 logs progressively more detailed debugging information #O LogLevel=15 Second, delay_checks, "FEATURE(delay_checks)dnl" in sendmail.mc. Once you rebuild the sendmail.cf, you may have to recheck your LogLevel and restart sendmail. Dan Liston Charlie Smith wrote: > I've noticed quite a few lines lines in my maillogs as following. Looks like > someone is trying to use my server as a relay agent. Is there a way to detect > the message that sender wants to relay? Also, if material proves to be > inappropriate (pornographic or even just spam), is there a legal channel to > persue to get this sort of thing stopped? > > ... > Jan 25 03:34:08 servername sendmail[27473]: i0PAY8Vl027473: > 24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] did not issue > MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: ruleset=check_rcpt, > arg1=, relay=24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net > [24.116.136.137], reject=550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied > Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: lost input channel > from 24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] to MTA after rcpt > Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: > from=, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, > relay=24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] > ... From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jan 26 11:32:46 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFCC514DE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 3352661 for multiple; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:20:48 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0QJ4pFX031772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:04:53 -0600 Message-ID: <401564F3.4050602@sonny.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:05:23 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie Smith Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How to get only list name in list of recipients when sending References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/63 X-Sequence-Number: 4331 I have to assume that if the list is in the CC header, that the sender intentionally sent the message to someone else, plus the list. You could pre-process the message to strip out the other recipients, or moderate the list to make the modifications manually, but you might want to look at some of the RFCs regarding email before making type of decision. Are you using the example "test" aliases. Even with these, if the original sender of a message sends TO somebody and CC the test list, you will still see both recipients in the resulting distributed email. Dan Liston Charlie Smith wrote: > When I look at list of recipients in rec'd email sent to list, I noticed that > the email in the list are expanded. > Is there a way to prevent this from happening so that only the list name shows > up for list of recipients. The list name comes up under CC. I know there > must > be a way, but not sure how. Using GroupWise 6.0.2 client to receive email > from MD 1.94.5. > Ex. > ... > Recipients Action Date & Time > sendersDomain.org > GWPost.Office > SmithCW BC (Charlie Smith) > EverettJB (Joe Everett) > > MDDomain.org > listNameHere CC > > > > > Would it have something to do with sending directly to outgoing-list from > priviledged alias? > > > >>>Charlie Smith wrote on 12/20/2003 7:05 PM >> > > I'm assuming that the ',' at the end of the test-owner and test-digestify line > were typos. > Is the ...majordomo/archives/test/test a file that will be created when mail > is archived in the test directory? > > >>>>"Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 01:28PM >>> > > With an email alias in the sendmail /etc/aliases file or an > aliases file dedicated to majordomo as long as it is defined > in the sendmail.cf file. > > Example aliases for a list that archives and digests messages; > > owner-test: test-owner > test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" > test-owner: you@your.domain, > test-approval: test-owner > test-outgoing: > :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify > test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f > /var/lib/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" > test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest > test-digest-outgoing", > test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" > #test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" > test-digest: test > test-digest-owner: test-owner > test-digest-request: test-owner > test-digest-approval: test-owner > test-digest-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@your.domain > /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest" > > Dan Liston > > > >>>>"Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 09:50PM >>> > > The commas are not typos. They prevent sendmail from expanding > the right hand side into the left hand side for the Received: > headers of the outgoing messages. If you are using exim, qmail, > or some other sendmail replacement, this might be unnecessary. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for the > use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. > > > ============================================================================== > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jan 26 15:45:13 2004 Received: from ns.sulima.com (unknown [66.187.154.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A39C503BB for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from NGIEBINA (pcp04593849pcs.brnmll01.nj.comcast.net [68.45.108.223]) by ns.sulima.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0R0g5Wx024810; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:42:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gbeima@sulima.com) From: "List Subscriptions" To: "'Daniel Liston'" Cc: Subject: Re: Resend Issue Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:28:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c3e464$2be92cb0$3002a8c0@redriven.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <401457BB.6040306@sonny.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 X-Archive-Number: 200401/64 X-Sequence-Number: 4332 Actually there have been series of problems. Since you stripped the msg, I have to guess the issue has to do with the resend pointing to a folder that doesn't exist. I just gave full path for everything asked for by MJ including "listdir, TMPDIR, homedir" ..etc ... Disabled MJ alises in the home folder. Actually, I just found out that I have another problem to work tomorrow! Saffa > -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Liston Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:57 PM To: List Subscriptions Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Resend Issue So was the answer you gave yourself simple or complex? You have provided us with a mystery, and now that we are at the end, you have not told us "who dun it". How did you solve the problem, so the next person digging through the archives may be able to find their own answers. Dan Liston List Subscriptions wrote: > Thanks .. Don't worry about it. I have answered myself and MJ is up > and running again! > > Saffa From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 27 11:06:43 2004 Received: from gemini2.navarrocollege.edu (gemini2.navarrocollege.edu [205.165.189.182]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4492153BBD for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from gemini2 (gemini2.navarrocollege.edu [205.165.189.182] (may be forged)) by gemini2.navarrocollege.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0RJB0Q7018645 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:11:00 -0600 Received: from ([10.1.9.1]) by gemini2.navarrocollege.edu (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:11:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4016B6B3.7020107@navarrocollege.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:06:27 -0600 From: Dana Holland Reply-To: dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: including subscriber's names Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Archive-Number: 200401/65 X-Sequence-Number: 4333 Is it possible to include the subscribers name in the subscriber file for a list? I thought I had figured it out when I put the name in <> following the email address (see below): dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu That worked to send a message to myself, but it seems to bounce going to all other addresses. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 27 11:52:34 2004 Received: from mid-1.inet.it (mid-1.inet.it [213.92.5.18]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F255150416 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 194-185-220-129.f4.ngi.it [::ffff:194.185.220.129] by mid-1.inet.it via I-SMTP-4.8.4-483 id ::ffff:194.185.220.129+2T2ntjrew; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:52:22 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: diego@cartabianca.com@mail.cartabianca.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:51:46 +0100 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Diego Meozzi Subject: Spam through Majordomo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archive-Number: 200401/66 X-Sequence-Number: 4334 Hello, Recently some of my majordomo list subscribers complained that they received spam apparently sent through the mailing list. Below is a sample of these messages (for safety reasons I changed my real domain name and the majordomo list name to "my_domain.com" and "my_list@my_domain.com" and my IP to XXX.XX.XX.XX): *** MAJORDOMO SPAM MESSAGE HEADER *** From: "Rickey Khan" <732huw@altavista.com> Date: Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:40:23 pm Europe/London To: Subject: {Spam?} fast weight |oss Reply-To: "Rickey Khan" <732huw@altavista.com> Return-Path: <732huw@altavista.com> Envelope-To: [xxx@xxx -deleted for privacy] Delivery-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:00:06 -0500 Received: from [XXX.XX.XX.XX] (helo=mydomain.com) by my_servers.com with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1AlJSQ-0004er-1M for [xxx@xxx -deleted for privacy]; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:00:06 -0500 Received: from xxx.xssl.net (root@localhost) by mydomain.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0R1nmq08376 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:49:48 GMT Received: from XXX.XX.XX.XX ([210.217.93.138]) by xxx.xssl.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i0R1nUC08362 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:49:31 GMT Received: from [133.227.227.170] by XXX.XX.XX.XX id JvY525l2DvlM; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:40:23 +0000 X-Clientaddr: 210.217.93.138 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=".41D7ED9E108C" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Yoursite-Mailscanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Yoursite-Mailscanner: Found to be clean X-Yoursite-Mailscanner-Spamcheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=35.288, required 5, BAYES_99 5.40, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 3.33, DATE_SPAMWARE_Y2K 4.20, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK 2.57, FORGED_OUTLOOK_HTML 1.00, FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS 1.00, FORGED_RCVD_NET_HELO 4.10, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04 1.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET 0.56, MIME_HTML_ONLY 0.32, MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI 1.10, MISSING_MIMEOLE 1.59, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET 1.50, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY 0.50, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP 1.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS_MISC 1.20, USERPASS 3.81) X-Yoursite-Mailscanner-Spamscore: sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss *** *** MAJORDOMO SPAM MESSAGE 2 *** From: [xxx@xxx -deleted for privacy] Date: Tue Jan 27, 2004 9:45:13 am Europe/London To: my_list@my_domain.com Subject: [Fwd: [SPAMSCORE] (medium): {Spam?} fast weight |oss] Hi, I got this spam. Apparently they are using the XXX XXX address book. I send you the spam to inform you about that. -------------------- From: "Rickey Khan" <732huw@altavista.com> Date: Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:40:23 pm Europe/London To: Subject: [SPAMSCORE] (medium): {Spam?} fast weight |oss Reply-To: "Rickey Khan" <732huw@altavista.com> Best quality weight |oss product - |ose your weight fast and guaranteed ! *** END OF SPAM MESSAGES *** As this is *very unpleasant* for my subscribers, can you please tell me if these are just some virus-induced spam messages, or is there something I can do to stop the relay of these spam messages through the "my_list@my_domain.com" address? Please note that the list is configured as "moderate = yes", "restrict_post = (listname)", "who_access = closed". Thanks for your help Diego Meozzi Administrator Stone Pages From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 27 12:38:52 2004 Received: from port995.com (port995.com [213.162.97.169]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BC05555F for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by port995.com (Port995 Mail, from userid 77) id A786714070BD; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:37:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from port995.com (Authenticated SMTP client) by port995.com (Port995 Mail) with ESMTP id 6CE691406FF9; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:37:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 52.128.30.16 (SquirrelMail authenticated user bud@grommet.net) by port995.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:37:30 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <50817.52.128.30.16.1075235850.squirrel@port995.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:37:30 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: including subscriber's names From: "Bud Huber" To: In-Reply-To: <4016B6B3.7020107@navarrocollege.edu> References: <4016B6B3.7020107@navarrocollege.edu> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cc: Reply-To: bud@grommet.net X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by port995.com with AMaViS/Sophos X-Archive-Number: 200401/67 X-Sequence-Number: 4335 I'm not sure, but suspect if you reverse the placement of the <>, that it may work. That means, put the <> around the email address, not the real name. > Is it possible to include the subscribers name in the subscriber file > for a list? I thought I had figured it out when I put the name in <> > following the email address (see below): > dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu > > That worked to send a message to myself, but it seems to bounce going > to all other addresses. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 27 12:41:30 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBA056E53 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id 3B93416803E; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from roger (dsl081-190-082.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.190.82]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC799168009; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" To: , Subject: Re: including subscriber's names Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:39:44 -0800 Message-ID: <7CEFA9CA4D5BE74586551915EC9C9C3380597E@consera1.corpnet.consera.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <4016B6B3.7020107@navarrocollege.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Archive-Number: 200401/68 X-Sequence-Number: 4336 > Is it possible to include the subscribers name in the subscriber file > for a list? I thought I had figured it out when I put the name in <> > following the email address (see below): > dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu That's not a legal address. The legal formats for mixing names and addresses are: user@addr.ess (Jane Doe) Jane Doe <> delimit the ADDRESS, not the NAME. () delimit a NAME, not an ADDRESS. So... dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu Would say "send mail to the address "Dana Holland" -- which I assume is not an actual address. dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu (Dana Holland) ...means what you want it to. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 27 14:51:15 2004 Received: from jefferson.arl.psu.edu (jefferson.arl.psu.edu [146.186.165.150]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DCE5435F for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rogue ("port 4839"@[172.28.237.65]) by ponyexpress.arl.psu.edu (PMDF V6.0-025 #37504) with SMTP id <01L5WHMOQ5XW8WX6BN@ponyexpress.arl.psu.edu> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:51:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:51:09 -0500 From: Matt Novinger Subject: ignoring bounced list requests To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <008a01c3e528$0e4aedf0$41ed1cac@arl.psu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3E4FE.25566170" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/69 X-Sequence-Number: 4337 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3E4FE.25566170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it possible to configure majordomo to ignore any invite emails that get = bounced back to us? Here's an example: A spammer sends an email from a fake reply address to on= e of our moderated lists. This automatically generates an invite email that gets sent to the fake rep= ly address without our intervention. Our problem is we want majordomo to ignore any of those invite emails that = get bounced back to us because=20 of a fake reply address. Is there any majordomo solution to this? Thank you! Matt Novinger ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3E4FE.25566170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it possible to configure majordomo to i= gnore any=20 invite emails that get bounced back to us?
Here's an example: A spammer sends an emai= l from a=20 fake reply address to one of our moderated lists.
This automatically generates an invite ema= il that=20 gets sent to the fake reply address without our intervention.
Our problem is we want majordomo to ignore= any of=20 those invite emails that get bounced back to us because
of a fake reply address. Is there any majo= rdomo=20 solution to this?
 
Thank you!
Matt Novinger
------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C3E4FE.25566170-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 27 14:53:53 2004 Received: from ns.sulima.com (unknown [66.187.154.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4683B576BC for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from NGIEBINA (pcp04593849pcs.brnmll01.nj.comcast.net [68.45.108.223]) by ns.sulima.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0RNnXWx078086; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:49:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gbeima@sulima.com) From: "List Subscriptions" To: "'Daniel Liston'" , "'Jack L. Stone'" Cc: Subject: Re: Perl5 update vs MJ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:36:23 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401c3e525$fe247a60$3002a8c0@redriven.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: <401455A6.9080305@sonny.org> Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200401/70 X-Sequence-Number: 4338 I am running FreeBSD V5.0 on Perl 5.8.0. Intsalling MJ has been real issue for me compared to when I installed it on FreeBSD 4.2 on Perl 5.6.1. I don't if minor updates have been done MJ since 1999 to cause me such headaches or perhaps Perl 5.8.0 struggling with FreeBSD 5.0. I am just about now getting MJ under control. Saffa > -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Liston Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:48 PM To: Jack L. Stone Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Perl5 update vs MJ I have run perl 5.6.1 and 5.8.0 successfully with majordomo without any issues on Solaris 8 & 9, and Redhat 8 & 9. I have not bothered to upgrade my FreeBSD boxes since 2.2.8. At 3.0 they dropped support for my SCSI devices and haven't ported them back in. Dan Liston Jack L. Stone wrote: > I running FBSD-4.8-RELEASE on all servers. The base system is still > running an older version of Perl5 (5.005) and I am updating the > machines to Perl-5.6.1 (don't want v5.8 yet) mainly because another > program is going to require it. > > I am getting ready to do the Perl5 update on the first machine running > MJ which I have running just fine as is with the old Perl5. > > Does anyone know of any issues (good or bad) affecting MJ with Perl > v5.6.1 and up? > > Thanks for any feedback... > > Best regards, > Jack L. Stone, > Administrator > > Sage American > http://www.sage-american.com > jacks@sage-american.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 27 21:17:19 2004 Received: from soln-sr234.solutionip.com (unknown [64.140.24.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4833051A05 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.140.24.203] (helo=sonny.org) by soln-sr234.solutionip.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1Ali4Y-0001he-00; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:17:06 -0600 Message-ID: <401743EA.5040605@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:08:58 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: including subscriber's names References: <4016B6B3.7020107@navarrocollege.edu> In-Reply-To: <4016B6B3.7020107@navarrocollege.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/71 X-Sequence-Number: 4339 The proper format of the line in the subscriber file is Dana Holland There are actually MANY acceptable formats which allow you to include comments (such as First Last name), but when you use <>, the usable address must be enclosed within them. Dan Liston Dana Holland wrote: > Is it possible to include the subscribers name in the subscriber file > for a list? I thought I had figured it out when I put the name in <> > following the email address (see below): > dana.holland@navarrocollege.edu > > That worked to send a message to myself, but it seems to bounce going to > all other addresses. > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 27 21:25:12 2004 Received: from soln-sr234.solutionip.com (unknown [64.140.24.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236DA57589 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.140.24.203] (helo=sonny.org) by soln-sr234.solutionip.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1AliBg-0002D8-00; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:24:28 -0600 Message-ID: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:16:21 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Diego Meozzi Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Spam through Majordomo? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/72 X-Sequence-Number: 4340 This is one of the primary reasons for using the restrict_post feature within the my_list.config file. If you do use this setting, the only way the spam would have been passed through is if 732huw@altavista.com was subscribed to my_list. There are also ways to implement procmail, which can call spamassassin, spambouncer, and many other tools/recipes to process your messages before majordomo or your my_list even see them for distribution. Dan Liston Diego Meozzi wrote: > Hello, > Recently some of my majordomo list subscribers complained that they received spam apparently sent through the mailing list. > Below is a sample of these messages (for safety reasons I changed my real domain name and the majordomo list name to "my_domain.com" and "my_list@my_domain.com" and my IP to XXX.XX.XX.XX): From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Jan 27 22:50:42 2004 Received: from soln-sr234.solutionip.com (unknown [64.140.24.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A74C51713 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.140.24.203] (helo=sonny.org) by soln-sr234.solutionip.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1Alixp-0005on-00; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:14:13 -0600 Message-ID: <40174AE3.2060401@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:38:43 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Novinger Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: ignoring bounced list requests References: <008a01c3e528$0e4aedf0$41ed1cac@arl.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <008a01c3e528$0e4aedf0$41ed1cac@arl.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/73 X-Sequence-Number: 4341 Matt Novinger wrote: > Is it possible to configure majordomo to ignore any invite emails that > get bounced back to us? Is it majordomo@your.domain that is doing the invite? This is not an off the shelf or out of the box configuration. You might want to talk to the programmer or admin that set this up. > Here's an example: A spammer sends an email from a fake reply address to > one of our moderated lists. Moderated means you have a "human" managing what gets distributed through your list. > This automatically generates an invite email that gets sent to the fake > reply address without our intervention. Why is this automated, if the list is moderated? > Our problem is we want majordomo to ignore any of those invite emails > that get bounced back to us because > of a fake reply address. Is there any majordomo solution to this? Please see first comment regarding programmer/admin. Your automated process is giving you exactly what you asked for. Ask him/her to build a sender verify function, to be used before automatically inviting the nonexistant user to join your list. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 28 02:32:20 2004 Received: from mid-1.inet.it (mid-1.inet.it [213.92.5.18]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFFF57043 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from 194-177-126-139.f4.ngi.it [::ffff:194.177.126.139] by mid-1.inet.it via I-SMTP-4.8.4-483 id ::ffff:194.177.126.139+3DqX0L0lC; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:42:43 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: diego@cartabianca.com@mail.cartabianca.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> References: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:42:12 +0100 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Diego Meozzi Subject: Re: Spam through Majordomo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archive-Number: 200401/74 X-Sequence-Number: 4342 Daniel Liston wrote: >This is one of the primary reasons for using the restrict_post >feature within the my_list.config file. I've checked my config file and below is how that value is set: restrict_post = /var/lib/majordomo/lists/my_list The problem is that someone found a way to send messages to the list using the my-list-outgoing@my_domain.com address. As my list is a "moderated" one (I use it just to send a newsletter to the subscribers, and there are no messages exchanged between users), do you know how can I configure the restrict_post to allow the subscribers to send message only to the admin? Or to disable anybody else sending messages to the list using the my-list-outgoing@my_domain.com address (which I didn't create)? I really don't know how the subscribers got those unwanted messages if the list is set as "moderate = yes"... > If you do use this >setting, the only way the spam would have been passed through >is if 732huw@altavista.com was subscribed to my_list. There is no trace in my list of a subscriber with that e-mail address. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks a million Diego Meozzi From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 28 06:41:00 2004 Received: from hplx.net (hplx.net [24.234.141.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA239530F9 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hplx.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hplx.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0SDP20M015997 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:25:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (david@localhost) by hplx.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i0SDOkFk015974 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:25:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hplx.net: david owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:24:46 -0800 (PST) From: David Sargeant To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Spam through Majordomo? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200401/75 X-Sequence-Number: 4343 On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Diego Meozzi wrote: > The problem is that someone found a way to send messages to the list > using the my-list-outgoing@my_domain.com address. I had the same problem. Apparently spammers get list mail addresses somehow and are exploiting the -outgoing address to send spam to whole mailing lists. I ended up having to change my -outgoing aliases to something completely different and nonstandard, with random numbers in it, to prevent it from happening again. Oh, and I also had to make sure that spammers couldn't use the EXPN or VRFY commands on my SMTP server to check for the validity of the -outgoing address, or of any other addresses. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 28 08:15:29 2004 Received: from faest.com (81-203-34-125.user.ono.com [81.203.34.125]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF8057A00 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from alex by faest.com with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AlqyU-0005ff-V4 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:47:26 +0100 From: Alejandro Llinares To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Problem sending mail to Hotmail users. Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:47:26 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401281547.26781.alex@awip.net> X-Archive-Number: 200401/76 X-Sequence-Number: 4344 Hello to everyone, I am a fairly new Linux user who is trying to migrate all the utilities and services he had under Windows. The programs I have chosen to do the mailing are Exim 4.22 and Majordomo 1.94.5. I think I have managed to make both Exim and Majordomo work together quite well under a SuSE 9.0 box. However, lately I have noticed something that may mean I haven't quite made de grade. The MTA seems to be doing its job properly sending and receiving mail. When a message is sent to a mailing list it sends de request to Majordomo which in turn fowards it to all the list members. I checked Exim's log and all these messages seem to get sent, but all members with a hotmail.com account do not receive the mail from my lists. All other members do get it. What I do not understand is why I don't get a bounce or any kind of warning from any of the recipients. Could it be that Hotmail considers the messages Spam (which they aren't) and directly discards them? Does anyone know what's happening or can suggest a posible solution? Thanks for your time, Alex From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 28 08:38:39 2004 Received: from soln-sr234.solutionip.com (unknown [64.140.24.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0253530FB for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.140.24.203] (helo=sonny.org) by soln-sr234.solutionip.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1Alqcw-00076T-00; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:25:10 -0600 Message-ID: <4017C45F.6070804@sonny.org> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:17:03 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Diego Meozzi Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Spam through Majordomo? References: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/77 X-Sequence-Number: 4345 This sounds like your MTA has at some point advertised the alias of your -outgoing address. You can block this using sendmail's virtusertable feature, and this line in /etc/mail/virtusertable; my_list-outgoing@my_domain.com error:nouser User unknown Rebuilding this map file does not require restarting sendmail. Another work around, make sure majordomo is a "trusted" user of your MTA, so sendmail does not complain in the headers of the distributed mail. Change the resend target to my_list-today, and rename the my_list-outgoing alias to my_list-today. Rebuilding the aliases file does not require restarting sendmail. Dan Liston Diego Meozzi wrote: > Daniel Liston wrote: > > >>This is one of the primary reasons for using the restrict_post >>feature within the my_list.config file. > > > I've checked my config file and below is how that value is set: > > restrict_post = /var/lib/majordomo/lists/my_list > > The problem is that someone found a way to send messages to the list using the my-list-outgoing@my_domain.com address. > > As my list is a "moderated" one (I use it just to send a newsletter to the subscribers, and there are no messages exchanged between users), do you know how can I configure the restrict_post to allow the subscribers to send message only to the admin? Or to disable anybody else sending messages to the list using the my-list-outgoing@my_domain.com address (which I didn't create)? I really don't know how the subscribers got those unwanted messages if the list is set as "moderate = yes"... > > >> If you do use this >>setting, the only way the spam would have been passed through >>is if 732huw@altavista.com was subscribed to my_list. > > > There is no trace in my list of a subscriber with that e-mail address. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks a million > > Diego Meozzi From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 28 10:03:20 2004 Received: from hplx.net (hplx.net [24.234.141.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDCB56E44 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hplx.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hplx.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0SHuo0M020914 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:56:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (david@localhost) by hplx.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i0SHuokr020911 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:56:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: hplx.net: david owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:56:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Sargeant To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: [mj2] Re: Spam through Majordomo? In-Reply-To: <4017C45F.6070804@sonny.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200401/78 X-Sequence-Number: 4346 On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Daniel Liston wrote: > This sounds like your MTA has at some point advertised the alias > of your -outgoing address. You can block this using sendmail's > virtusertable feature, and this line in /etc/mail/virtusertable; > > my_list-outgoing@my_domain.com error:nouser User unknown I tried doing that when I was having spam problems with an -outgoing address, but despite what it said on the page that told me to add that line to /etc/mail/virtusertable, that caused my list mail to fail completely -- it was rejecting mail to mylist-outgoing@hplx.net when I would try to post to mylist@hplx.net, not just when remote hosts would try to send mail directly to mylist-outgoing@hplx.net. Perhaps I did something wrong? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 28 17:59:47 2004 Received: from pengo.systems.pipex.net (pengo.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.193]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAF75729C for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 192.168.0.82 (81-178-208-51.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.208.51]) by pengo.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946494C0014C; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:43:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Problem sending mail to Hotmail users. From: Andrew Beverley To: Alejandro Llinares Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <200401281547.26781.alex@awip.net> References: <200401281547.26781.alex@awip.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1075340383.5371.102.camel@andylap.andybev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4-8mdk Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:39:43 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/79 X-Sequence-Number: 4347 On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 14:47, Alejandro Llinares wrote: > Hello to everyone, > > I am a fairly new Linux user who is trying to migrate all the utilities and > services he had under Windows. The programs I have chosen to do the mailing > are Exim 4.22 and Majordomo 1.94.5. > > I think I have managed to make both Exim and Majordomo work together quite > well under a SuSE 9.0 box. However, lately I have noticed something that may > mean I haven't quite made de grade. > > The MTA seems to be doing its job properly sending and receiving mail. When a > message is sent to a mailing list it sends de request to Majordomo which in > turn fowards it to all the list members. I checked Exim's log and all these > messages seem to get sent, but all members with a hotmail.com account do not > receive the mail from my lists. All other members do get it. > > What I do not understand is why I don't get a bounce or any kind of warning > from any of the recipients. Could it be that Hotmail considers the messages > Spam (which they aren't) and directly discards them? Does anyone know what's > happening or can suggest a posible solution? > > Thanks for your time, > > Alex I had quite a lot of problems with Hotmail when first setting up email lists. I suggest you ask your users to check their 'junk mail' folder, as that is where they usually end up. If the email that is sent to a hotmail account does not have the actual recipient in the 'To:' line (as with a list) then if the user has bulk mail filtering turned on then it will end up in the junk mail folder. I especially had trouble because some people had their junk mail folder to automatically delete anything in it immediately. The only way round this (as I understand it, and certainly from experience) is to get the user to create a filter to put all messages addressed to your list directly into their inbox. This is easily done by a user opening the message in the junk mail folder, clicking on 'this is not junk mail', and then selecting 'This message is from a mailing list I belong to'. If you are running multiple lists at the same domain then the user should create a custom filter - there is some information about how to do this at http://www.simplelists.com/docs/hotmail.html I suggest you sign up for a hotmail account yourself and have a play around with it - this is the best way I learnt. I'd be interested in hearing anybody else's experiences with this. Andy Beverley From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 28 20:29:53 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779F355CDA for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail1.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 3514486 for multiple; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:25:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0T4OhFY013434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:24:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:24:43 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Liston X-X-Sender: dliston@daniel.liston.nu To: Alejandro Llinares Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Problem sending mail to Hotmail users. In-Reply-To: <200401281547.26781.alex@awip.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/80 X-Sequence-Number: 4348 Have your hotmail users check their bulk mail folder. If the message is not there, they will have to 'whitelist' the address of your list. Your other choice is to contact hotmail yourself and ask them to allow your list messages into their system, or find a setting within exim that will reduce the number of recipients per message in the hotmail domain to a number less than 10 or 15, whatever hotmail's limit is. Dan Liston On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Alejandro Llinares wrote: > Hello to everyone, > > I am a fairly new Linux user who is trying to migrate all the utilities and > services he had under Windows. The programs I have chosen to do the mailing > are Exim 4.22 and Majordomo 1.94.5. > > I think I have managed to make both Exim and Majordomo work together quite > well under a SuSE 9.0 box. However, lately I have noticed something that may > mean I haven't quite made de grade. > > The MTA seems to be doing its job properly sending and receiving mail. When a > message is sent to a mailing list it sends de request to Majordomo which in > turn fowards it to all the list members. I checked Exim's log and all these > messages seem to get sent, but all members with a hotmail.com account do not > receive the mail from my lists. All other members do get it. > > What I do not understand is why I don't get a bounce or any kind of warning > from any of the recipients. Could it be that Hotmail considers the messages > Spam (which they aren't) and directly discards them? Does anyone know what's > happening or can suggest a posible solution? > > Thanks for your time, > > Alex > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 28 21:30:57 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DB055ADA for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail1.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 3523231 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:26:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0T4XPFY013547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:34:25 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:33:25 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Liston X-X-Sender: dliston@daniel.liston.nu To: David Sargeant Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: [mj2] Re: Spam through Majordomo? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/81 X-Sequence-Number: 4349 If the virtusertable causes that kind of problem, your majordomo user is not trusted by sendmail or the submit program. Make sure your submit.cf and sendmail.cf have Ft/etc/mail/trusted-users or Tmajordomo in them. If you elect to use the trusted-users file, you need to add "majordomo" to the /etc/mail/trusted-users. Dan Liston On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, David Sargeant wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Daniel Liston wrote: > > > This sounds like your MTA has at some point advertised the alias > > of your -outgoing address. You can block this using sendmail's > > virtusertable feature, and this line in /etc/mail/virtusertable; > > > > my_list-outgoing@my_domain.com error:nouser User unknown > > I tried doing that when I was having spam problems with an -outgoing > address, but despite what it said on the page that told me to add that > line to /etc/mail/virtusertable, that caused my list mail to fail > completely -- it was rejecting mail to mylist-outgoing@hplx.net when I > would try to post to mylist@hplx.net, not just when remote hosts would try > to send mail directly to mylist-outgoing@hplx.net. Perhaps I did > something wrong? > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 29 21:24:43 2004 Received: from mid-1.inet.it (mid-1.inet.it [213.92.5.18]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C437F530EF for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from 194-185-170-67.f4.ngi.it [::ffff:194.185.170.67] by mid-1.inet.it via I-SMTP-5.0.1-501 id ::ffff:194.185.170.67+NeLoyp07x3; Thu +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: diego@cartabianca.com@mail.cartabianca.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4017C45F.6070804@sonny.org> References: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> <4017C45F.6070804@sonny.org> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:29:39 +0100 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Diego Meozzi Subject: Re: Spam through Majordomo? Cc: Daniel Liston Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archive-Number: 200401/82 X-Sequence-Number: 4350 Daniel Liston wrote: >This sounds like your MTA has at some point advertised the alias >of your -outgoing address. You can block this using sendmail's >virtusertable feature, and this line in /etc/mail/virtusertable; > >my_list-outgoing@my_domain.com error:nouser User unknown > >Rebuilding this map file does not require restarting sendmail. > >Another work around, make sure majordomo is a "trusted" user of >your MTA, so sendmail does not complain in the headers of the >distributed mail. Change the resend target to my_list-today, >and rename the my_list-outgoing alias to my_list-today. > >Rebuilding the aliases file does not require restarting sendmail. Unfortunately the people administering my server said: >Due to the way that Ensim deals with virthosts we don't have the standard = sendmail mapping file. We will investigate further but it looks like this m= ethod will not work on our server. You may need to change the alias you're = using for your mailing list. Can you please sp=ECecify: a) Where I should change the resend target and rename the -outgoing alias? = I checked the majordomo config and it's not there, so I believe the file to= be modified must be in some sendmail folder b) How can I check if my majordomo is a "trusted" user of sendmail? And - i= f not - how can I make it a "trusted" one? Thanks for your help Diego Meozzi From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 29 23:26:45 2004 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B11F57A8A for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id E6C7C16800F; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from queernet.org (c-24-16-147-19.client.comcast.net [24.16.147.19]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B8916800D; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:02:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <401A072D.4020409@queernet.org> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:26:37 -0800 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Diego Meozzi Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com, Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Spam through Majordomo? References: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> <4017C45F.6070804@sonny.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/83 X-Sequence-Number: 4351 Diego Meozzi wrote: >> Due to the way that Ensim deals with virthosts we don't have the >> standard sendmail mapping file. We will investigate further but it >> looks like this method will not work on our server. You may need to >> change the alias you're using for your mailing list. Then it's time for your ISP to file a level one security alert against Ensim for its Majordomo attack vulnerability. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 30 03:13:11 2004 Received: from trinity.pczero.net (trinity.pczero.net [66.98.220.70]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C815C338 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from c-65-97-5-16.va.client2.attbi.com ([65.97.5.16] helo=PCZ-001.pczero.net) by trinity.pczero.net with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AmV2n-0004LO-EM for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:34:33 +0000 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040130042245.01e12058@mail.pczero.net> X-Sender: support@pczero.net@mail.pczero.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:34:06 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Customer Support Subject: New Install (for dummies) In-Reply-To: References: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> <4017C45F.6070804@sonny.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - trinity.pczero.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - greatcircle.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pczero.net X-Archive-Number: 200401/84 X-Sequence-Number: 4352 OK folks I am WAY new to the 100% brand new install of majordomo and I need a little help please. Excuse me if these seem like hand holding level requests, but as it is the first go round for many things, I want to make sure that not only do I get it right, but that I also understand what all is going on. In other words I really am trying to learn something in the process! :) OK lets start right at step one of the clean install. I am not sure I understand fully about the group and user for majordomo. The docs say "Pick a group and user ID for Majordomo to run under. Usually this is 'majordomo.daemon'." Then they go on to say something about setting up and using a different user then making them trusted, etc. Can someone please walk me through the process of setting up this "group and user ID" that I can use to run majordomo under? My main goal is to have this as secure as possible. If I need to jump through an extra hoop or two from an "quick and easy" install to get things secure that fine. After I set up the user and group, I take it that the ID for each of these is what is entered into the makefile as W_USER and W_GROUP. Is that correct? Thanks, DB From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 30 04:54:47 2004 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FCC5C6AA for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from 192.168.0.82 (81-178-208-51.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.208.51]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208D91C003BE; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:30:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New Install (for dummies) From: Andrew Beverley To: Customer Support Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040130042245.01e12058@mail.pczero.net> References: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> <4017C45F.6070804@sonny.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040130042245.01e12058@mail.pczero.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1075465555.19454.15.camel@andylap.andybev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4-8mdk Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:25:56 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/85 X-Sequence-Number: 4353 I think you'll find most of your questions answered in this document: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Majordomo-MajorCool-HOWTO/ If there's still stuff that's unclear then I'm sure people on this list would be willing to help. Andy Beverley On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 09:34, Customer Support wrote: > OK folks I am WAY new to the 100% brand new install of majordomo and I > need a little help please. Excuse me if these seem like hand holding level > requests, but as it is the first go round for many things, I want to make > sure that not only do I get it right, but that I also understand what all > is going on. In other words I really am trying to learn something in the > process! :) > > OK lets start right at step one of the clean install. I am not sure I > understand fully about the group and user for majordomo. The docs say > "Pick a group and user ID for Majordomo to run under. Usually this is > 'majordomo.daemon'." Then they go on to say something about setting up and > using a different user then making them trusted, etc. Can someone please > walk me through the process of setting up this "group and user ID" that I > can use to run majordomo under? My main goal is to have this as secure as > possible. If I need to jump through an extra hoop or two from an "quick > and easy" install to get things secure that fine. After I set up the user > and group, I take it that the ID for each of these is what is entered into > the makefile as W_USER and W_GROUP. Is that correct? > > > Thanks, > DB > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 30 09:04:52 2004 Received: from dedicated.bixbycreek.com (mail.oso-aa.org [207.36.15.17]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF505069D for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from DEAN (adsl-63-200-127-56.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [63.200.127.56]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by dedicated.bixbycreek.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0UGTro10790 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:29:53 -0800 Message-ID: <00d701c3e74e$b1650980$61acfea9@DEAN> From: "Dean Mail" To: References: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> <4017C45F.6070804@sonny.org> Subject: Re: Spam through Majordomo? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:32:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Archive-Number: 200401/86 X-Sequence-Number: 4354 Diego Meozzi wrote: " ... Due to the way that Ensim deals with virthosts we don't have the standard sendmail mapping file. We will investigate further but it looks like this method will not work on our server. You may need to change the alias you're using for your mailing list. ... Where I should change the resend target and rename the -outgoing alias? I checked the majordomo config and it's not there, so I believe the file to be modified must be in some sendmail folder ..." I'm not sure which version of Ensim you're using, or on what platform. But mine is 3.5 (Pro), on Red Hat Linux 7.3. Majordomo 1.94.5 is "Ensimized," meaning they've tweaked it. See if you have a file in /etc/mail/ called "majordomo-virtusertable." In that file, you should see a pair of entries for each list: mylist-list@yourdomain.com error:nouser User unknown mylist-outgoing@yourdomain.com error:nouser User unknown -- Dean From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 30 10:41:39 2004 Received: from mail2.gmhwh.org (mail2.gmhwh.org [12.110.19.38]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A86155F3F for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:26:02 -0800 (PST) X-Server-Uuid: 1ea73c7c-c7d8-11d5-bae0-0002a564cf8c Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:22:56 -0700 From: "Charlie Smith" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How to get only list name in list of recipients whensending MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6C047E9F109593-01-02 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=__Part83A2D410.0__=" X-Archive-Number: 200401/87 X-Sequence-Number: 4355 This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=__Part83A2D410.0__= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even when just sending to the list as the only recipient, the list expanded in the list of recipients. I just want to see the list name without getting it expanded, when I click on properties to view the list of recipients. Using GW 6.5.1 client. >>> "Daniel Liston" 1/26/2004 12:05:23 PM >>> I have to assume that if the list is in the CC header, that the sender intentionally sent the message to someone else, plus the list. You could pre-process the message to strip out the other recipients, or moderate the list to make the modifications manually, but you might want to look at some of the RFCs regarding email before making type of decision. Are you using the example "test" aliases. Even with these, if the original sender of a message sends TO somebody and CC the test list, you will still see both recipients in the resulting distributed email. Dan Liston Charlie Smith wrote: > When I look at list of recipients in rec'd email sent to list, I noticed that > the email in the list are expanded. > Is there a way to prevent this from happening so that only the list name shows > up for list of recipients. The list name comes up under CC. I know there > must > be a way, but not sure how. Using GroupWise 6.0.2 client to receive email > from MD 1.94.5. > Ex. > ... > Recipients Action Date & Time > sendersDomain.org > GWPost.Office > SmithCW BC (Charlie Smith) > EverettJB (Joe Everett) > > MDDomain.org > listNameHere CC > > > > > Would it have something to do with sending directly to outgoing-list from > priviledged alias? > > > >>>Charlie Smith wrote on 12/20/2003 7:05 PM >> > > I'm assuming that the ',' at the end of the test-owner and test-digestify line > were typos. > Is the ...majordomo/archives/test/test a file that will be created when mail > is archived in the test directory? > > >>>>"Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 01:28PM >>> > > With an email alias in the sendmail /etc/aliases file or an > aliases file dedicated to majordomo as long as it is defined > in the sendmail.cf file. > > Example aliases for a list that archives and digests messages; > > owner-test: test-owner > test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" > test-owner: you@your.domain, > test-approval: test-owner > test-outgoing: > :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify > test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f > /var/lib/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" > test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest > test-digest-outgoing", > test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" > #test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" > test-digest: test > test-digest-owner: test-owner > test-digest-request: test-owner > test-digest-approval: test-owner > test-digest-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@your.domain > /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest" > > Dan Liston > > > >>>>"Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 09:50PM >>> > > The commas are not typos. They prevent sendmail from expanding > the right hand side into the left hand side for the Received: > headers of the outgoing messages. If you are using exim, qmail, > or some other sendmail replacement, this might be unnecessary. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for the > use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. > > > ============================================================================== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. ============================================================================== --=__Part83A2D410.0__= Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: HTML
Even when just sending to the list as the only recipient, the list expanded in the list of recipients.
I just want to see the list name without getting it expanded, when I click on properties to view the list of recipients.  Using GW 6.5.1 client.

>>> "Daniel Liston" <dliston@sonny.org> 1/26/2004 12:05:23 PM >>>
I have to assume that if the list is in the CC header, that the sender
intentionally sent the message to someone else, plus the list.  You could
pre-process the message to strip out the other recipients, or moderate
the list to make the modifications manually, but you might want to look
at some of the RFCs regarding email before making type of decision.

Are you using the example "test" aliases.  Even with these, if the
original sender of a message sends TO somebody and CC the test list,
you will still see both recipients in the resulting distributed email.

Dan Liston

Charlie Smith wrote:

> When I look at list of recipients in rec'd email sent to list, I noticed that
> the email in the list are expanded.
> Is there a way to prevent this from happening so that only the list name shows
> up for list of recipients.   The list name comes up under CC.  I know there
> must
> be a way, but not sure how.    Using GroupWise 6.0.2 client to receive email
> from  MD 1.94.5.
> Ex.
> ...
> Recipients    Action    Date & Time
> sendersDomain.org
>   GWPost.Office
>     SmithCW BC (Charlie Smith)
>     EverettJB (Joe Everett)
>
> MDDomain.org
>     listNameHere CC
>
>
>
>
> Would it have something to do with sending directly to outgoing-list from
> priviledged alias?
>
>
>
>>>Charlie Smith wrote on 12/20/2003 7:05 PM >>
>
> I'm assuming that the ',' at the end of the test-owner and test-digestify line
> were typos.
> Is the ...majordomo/archives/test/test   a file that will be created when mail
> is archived in the test directory?
>
>
>>>>"Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 01:28PM >>>
>
> With an email alias in the sendmail /etc/aliases file or an
> aliases file dedicated to majordomo as long as it is defined
> in the sendmail.cf file.
>
> Example aliases for a list that archives and digests messages;
>
> owner-test: test-owner
> test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody"
> test-owner: you@your.domain,
> test-approval: test-owner
> test-outgoing:
> :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify
> test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f
> /var/lib/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M"
> test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest
> test-digest-outgoing",
> test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test"
> #test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test"
> test-digest: test
> test-digest-owner: test-owner
> test-digest-request: test-owner
> test-digest-approval: test-owner
> test-digest-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@your.domain
> /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest"
>
> Dan Liston
>
>
>
>>>>"Daniel Liston" wrote on 12/20/03 09:50PM >>>
>
> The commas are not typos.  They prevent sendmail from expanding
> the right hand side into the left hand side for the Received:
> headers of the outgoing messages.  If you are using exim, qmail,
> or some other sendmail replacement, this might be unnecessary.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for the
> use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed.
>
>
> ==============================================================================
>
>


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed.


==============================================================================

--=__Part83A2D410.0__=-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 30 10:42:03 2004 Received: from mail3.gmhwh.org (unknown [198.31.239.197]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D7A51411 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from 192.168.8.246 by mail3.gmhwh.org with ESMTP ( (MMS v5.5.3)); Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:30:41 -0600 Received: from WH-INET-MTA by wh-inet.gmhwh.org with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:28:06 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:27:53 -0700 From: "Charlie Smith" To: dliston@sonny.org Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: how to monitor spam and take action? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6C047D5B841200-01-01 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=__PartA988FE39.0__=" X-Archive-Number: 200401/88 X-Sequence-Number: 4356 This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=__PartA988FE39.0__= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about using the full user address in previous posting. We just switched to a new client that puts that in by default when replying to messages. How could I tell if I'm broadcasting my IP for these spammers to pick up? And, can I just expand logs for only those unwanted addresses identified as trying to relay off of me, so as to see what they're trying to send? >>> "Daniel Liston" 1/26/2004 11:57:14 AM >>> Cableone.net is also one of my providers. They have strict TOS/AUA. Start by reporting the abuse to postmaster or abuse at cableone.net. Since the IPs you are reporting are not in my netmask, I am not sure if they block outgoing port 25 like my service does. I moaned and groaned when they did this to me, but it is for the overall good of the internet. Suggest it to them. The dashed IP and "cpe" indicates an end user account (Customer Premises Equipment). Considering they are also using "example.com", tells me they are not very sophisticated and may have unintelligently or randomly selected your IP as a smart host for outgoing mail. Then again, I try to assUme the best rather than the worst in people. I could easily be wrong. As for seeing the message that is getting rejected, you would have to make a couple changes to your sendmail.cf that may not be worth the effort, as you will end up with VERY LARGE log files. First, bump up the "O LogLevel=9" to "O LogLevel=15" or higher. # log level # 0 Minimal logging. # 1 Serious system failures and potential security problems. # 2 Lost communications (network problems) and protocol failures. # 3 Other serious failures, malformed addresses, transient forward/include # errors, connection timeouts. # 4 Minor failures, out of date alias databases, connection rejections via # check_ rulesets. # 5 Message collection statistics. # 6 Creation of error messages, VRFY and EXPN commands. # 7 Delivery failures (host or user unknown, etc.). # 8 Successful deliveries and alias database rebuilds. # 9 Messages being deferred (due to a host being down, etc.). # 10 Database expansion (alias, forward, and userdb lookups). # 11 NIS errors and end of job processing. # 12 Logs all SMTP connections. # 13 Log bad user shells, files with improper permissions, and other # questionable situations. # 14 Logs refused connections. # 15 Log all incoming and outgoing SMTP commands. # 20 Logs attempts to run locked queue files. These are not errors, but # can be useful to note if your queue appears to be clogged. # 30 Lost locks (only if using lockf instead of flock). # 16-98 logs progressively more detailed debugging information #O LogLevel=15 Second, delay_checks, "FEATURE(delay_checks)dnl" in sendmail.mc. Once you rebuild the sendmail.cf, you may have to recheck your LogLevel and restart sendmail. Dan Liston Charlie Smith wrote: > I've noticed quite a few lines lines in my maillogs as following. Looks like > someone is trying to use my server as a relay agent. Is there a way to detect > the message that sender wants to relay? Also, if material proves to be > inappropriate (pornographic or even just spam), is there a legal channel to > persue to get this sort of thing stopped? > > ... > Jan 25 03:34:08 servername sendmail[27473]: i0PAY8Vl027473: > 24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] did not issue > MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: ruleset=check_rcpt, > arg1=, relay=24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net > [24.116.136.137], reject=550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied > Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: lost input channel > from 24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] to MTA after rcpt > Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: > from=, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, > relay=24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] > ... --=__PartA988FE39.0__= Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: HTML
Sorry about using the full user address in previous posting.  We just switched to a new client that puts that in by default when replying to messages.
 
How could I tell if I'm broadcasting my IP for these spammers to pick up?
 
And, can I just expand logs for only those unwanted addresses identified as trying to relay off of me, so as to see what they're trying to send?

>>> "Daniel Liston"  1/26/2004 11:57:14 AM >>>
Cableone.net is also one of my providers.  They have strict TOS/AUA.
Start by reporting the abuse to postmaster or abuse at cableone.net.
Since the IPs you are reporting are not in my netmask, I am not sure
if they block outgoing port 25 like my service does.  I moaned and
groaned when they did this to me, but it is for the overall good of
the internet.  Suggest it to them.  The dashed IP and "cpe" indicates
an end user account (Customer Premises Equipment).  Considering they
are also using "example.com", tells me they are not very sophisticated
and may have unintelligently or randomly selected your IP as a smart
host for outgoing mail.  Then again, I try to assUme the best rather
than the worst in people.  I could easily be wrong.

As for seeing the message that is getting rejected, you would have
to make a couple changes to your sendmail.cf that may not be worth
the effort, as you will end up with VERY LARGE log files.

First, bump up the "O LogLevel=9" to "O LogLevel=15" or higher.
# log level
# 0    Minimal logging.
# 1    Serious system failures and potential security problems.
# 2    Lost communications (network problems) and protocol failures.
# 3    Other serious failures, malformed addresses, transient forward/include
#      errors, connection timeouts.
# 4    Minor failures, out of date alias databases, connection rejections via
#      check_ rulesets.
# 5    Message collection statistics.
# 6    Creation of error messages, VRFY and EXPN commands.
# 7    Delivery failures (host or user unknown, etc.).
# 8    Successful deliveries and alias database rebuilds.
# 9    Messages being deferred (due to a host being down, etc.).
# 10   Database expansion (alias, forward, and userdb lookups).
# 11   NIS errors and end of job processing.
# 12   Logs all SMTP connections.
# 13   Log bad user shells, files with improper permissions, and other
#      questionable situations.
# 14   Logs refused connections.
# 15   Log all incoming and outgoing SMTP commands.
# 20   Logs attempts to run locked queue files.  These are not errors, but
#      can be useful to note if your queue appears to be clogged.
# 30   Lost locks (only if using lockf instead of flock).
# 16-98 logs progressively more detailed debugging information
#O LogLevel=15

Second, delay_checks, "FEATURE(delay_checks)dnl" in sendmail.mc.

Once you rebuild the sendmail.cf, you may have to recheck your LogLevel
and restart sendmail.


Dan Liston

Charlie Smith wrote:

> I've noticed quite a few lines lines in my maillogs as following.  Looks like
> someone is trying to use my server as a relay agent.  Is there a way to detect
> the message that sender wants to relay?  Also,  if material proves to be
> inappropriate (pornographic or even just spam), is there a legal channel to
> persue to get this sort of thing stopped?
>
> ...
> Jan 25 03:34:08 servername sendmail[27473]: i0PAY8Vl027473:
> 24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] did not issue
> MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA
> Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: ruleset=check_rcpt,
> arg1=<test_2@example.com>, relay=24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net
> [24.116.136.137], reject=550 5.7.1 <test_2@example.com>... Relaying denied
> Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479: lost input channel
> from 24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137] to MTA after rcpt
> Jan 25 03:36:51 servername sendmail[27479]: i0PAaoVl027479:
> from=<test_1@example.com>, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA,
> relay=24-116-136-137.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.136.137]
> ...


--=__PartA988FE39.0__=-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 30 14:01:46 2004 Received: from web60203.mail.yahoo.com (web60203.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.98]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F004F51BBE for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:01:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20040130220122.18052.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.128.111.114] by web60203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:01:22 GMT Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:01:22 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?= Subject: Is my installation now as secure as it can be ? To: major Cc: me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/89 X-Sequence-Number: 4357 hello Daniel, Roger and everyone, just passing on a recent conversation I've had with my server host - do you think my installation is as secure as it can be now? I've also posted a copy below of how the full headers are now coming through on list messages. many thanks, lee --- Lee wrote: > > Hello Robert, > > > > hope all is good with you. > > > > The security breach in our majordomo installation > is > > finally allowing some spammers to post onto the > list. > > So, having had some expert advice from > > majordomo-users, could you please look at the link > > below and follow its instructions? > > I have already set the restrict_post to work with > > this as: restrict_post = incel:incel-digest > > > > http://incelsite.com/clickhererobert.txt > > robert's reply: > I just changed this accordingly, except for the > virtusertable where I > specified the domain also, since it's a machine > hosting many mail domains. > > > ------ My incoming list headers now : ------------ .X-Apparently-To: lee_19712003@yahoo.com via 217.12.10.69; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:35:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from 67.70.243.35 (EHLO shamus.saturnus.com) (67.70.243.35) by mta113.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:35:51 +0000 Received: from shamus.saturnus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0UIKrmj017928; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:20:53 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0UIKr4M017927; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:20:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: shamus.saturnus.com: majordom set sender to owner-incel@saturnus.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQMAD3VTCdlFBP8VQXnSVfaxtGBLAIUD32v0LrtZLuUCWuINQ/cbG+prsU= From: "Bruce Powell" Add to Address Book Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:20:45 -0500 (EST) To: incel@saturnus.com Subject: Re: [incel] It's filter time Message-ID: <14859-401AA07D-1847@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Alexander G" 's message of Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:18:16 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-7900-1009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-incel@saturnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: incel@saturnus.com Content-Length: 2019 --------------------------------------------------- Does your mail provider give you FREE antivirus protection? Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Jan 30 18:29:48 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0F854848 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 4309013 for multiple; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:21:18 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0V1wMFX024039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:58:28 -0600 Message-ID: <401B0BE6.60907@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:59:02 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Customer Support Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: New Install (for dummies) References: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> <4017C45F.6070804@sonny.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040130042245.01e12058@mail.pczero.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040130042245.01e12058@mail.pczero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/90 X-Sequence-Number: 4358 In most *n*x's, there is a utility to add new users to the system called useradd (or adduser). In some cases these tools also create a matching group entry. On RedHat linux, as the root user do this; useradd majordomo You may have to "vipw" to edit the passwd file and change the default home directory to /usr/lib/majordomo, and "mv" /home/majordomo to the /usr/lib directory. The shorter way to accomplish the same thing, is; useradd -c "Majordomo List Mgr" -d /usr/lib/majordomo majordomo You can also specify the uid and gid from the useradd command. Here is part of what "man useradd" has to say: useradd [-c comment] [-d home_dir] [-e expire_date] [-f inactive_time] [-g initial_group] [-G group[,...]] [-m [-k skeleton_dir] | -M] [-p passwd] [-s shell] [-u uid [ -o]] [-n] [-r] login I prefer to use the same gid as uid rather than daemon as the group. Even sendmail.org makes the recommendation to use majordomo.majordomo rather than majordomo.daemon. If the useradd command did not create the group automatically (it should) you will need to edit /etc/group or use the "groupadd" command. The bottom line, is that it does not matter what number(s) you pick for uid or gid, *as long as they are not already used by something else* Picking a home directory for the majordomo installation does not matter either, with a similar caveat. The path on the way to the $HOME for the majordomo user should NOT have any group or world readable directories. Common locations are: /usr/local/var/majordomo /usr/local/majordomo /var/majordomo /usr/lib/majordomo Regardless of where you pick for the home directory, this does not FORCE you to use the same directory for lists, archives, or digests. The $HOME directory is the location the perl scripts for majordomo will be found. The majordomo.cf file is where you define the locations for other data. This should be the information you are looking for to be able to set the W_USER, W_GROUP, and W_HOME in the Makefile for your compile. The 3rd and 4th columns (separated by colons ":") are the uid and gid. The last column is the default shell for the user and the second to last is the $HOME directory. I am referring to /etc/passwd here. Dan Liston Customer Support wrote: > OK folks I am WAY new to the 100% brand new install of majordomo and > I need a little help please. Excuse me if these seem like hand holding > level requests, but as it is the first go round for many things, I want > to make sure that not only do I get it right, but that I also understand > what all is going on. In other words I really am trying to learn > something in the process! :) > > OK lets start right at step one of the clean install. I am not sure > I understand fully about the group and user for majordomo. The docs say > "Pick a group and user ID for Majordomo to run under. Usually this is > 'majordomo.daemon'." Then they go on to say something about setting up > and using a different user then making them trusted, etc. Can someone > please walk me through the process of setting up this "group and user > ID" that I can use to run majordomo under? My main goal is to have this > as secure as possible. If I need to jump through an extra hoop or two > from an "quick and easy" install to get things secure that fine. After > I set up the user and group, I take it that the ID for each of these is > what is entered into the makefile as W_USER and W_GROUP. Is that correct? > > > Thanks, > DB From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 31 10:55:43 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA04D5CFE4 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 4414925 for multiple; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:21:14 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0VGXbFX027375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:33:41 -0600 Message-ID: <401BD8F7.5030004@sonny.org> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:33:59 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Cc: major Subject: Re: Is my installation now as secure as it can be ? References: <20040130220122.18052.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040130220122.18052.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/91 X-Sequence-Number: 4359 The answer is no. As long as things like this are showing up in the headers, you are not secure. "X-Authentication-Warning: shamus.saturnus.com: majordom set sender to owner-incel@saturnus.com using -f" As long as the -list or -outgoing aliases can not be protected, you are not secure. Dan Liston Lee wrote: > hello Daniel, Roger and everyone, > > just passing on a recent conversation I've had with my > server host - do you think my installation is as > secure as it can be now? > I've also posted a copy below of how the full headers > are now coming through on list messages. > > many thanks, > lee > > > --- Lee wrote: > > >>>Hello Robert, >>> >>>hope all is good with you. >>> >>>The security breach in our majordomo installation >> >>is >> >>>finally allowing some spammers to post onto the >> >>list. >> >>>So, having had some expert advice from >>>majordomo-users, could you please look at the link >>>below and follow its instructions? >>>I have already set the restrict_post to work with >>>this as: restrict_post = incel:incel-digest >>> >>>http://incelsite.com/clickhererobert.txt >>> > > robert's reply: > > >>I just changed this accordingly, except for the >>virtusertable where I >>specified the domain also, since it's a machine >>hosting many mail domains. >> >> >>------ My incoming list headers now : ------------ > > > .X-Apparently-To: lee_19712003@yahoo.com via > 217.12.10.69; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:35:51 +0000 > Return-Path: > Received: from 67.70.243.35 (EHLO shamus.saturnus.com) > (67.70.243.35) by mta113.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; > Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:35:51 +0000 > Received: from shamus.saturnus.com (localhost > [127.0.0.1]) by shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) > with ESMTP id i0UIKrmj017928; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 > 13:20:53 -0500 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) by > shamus.saturnus.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id > i0UIKr4M017927; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:20:53 -0500 > X-Authentication-Warning: shamus.saturnus.com: > majordom set sender to owner-incel@saturnus.com using > -f > X-WebTV-Signature: 1 > ETAsAhQMAD3VTCdlFBP8VQXnSVfaxtGBLAIUD32v0LrtZLuUCWuINQ/cbG+prsU= > > From: "Bruce Powell" Add to > Address Book > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:20:45 -0500 (EST) > To: incel@saturnus.com > Subject: Re: [incel] It's filter time > Message-ID: > <14859-401AA07D-1847@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> > In-Reply-To: "Alexander G" 's > message of Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:18:16 -0500 > Content-Disposition: Inline > Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; > Boundary=WebTV-Mail-7900-1009 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) > Sender: owner-incel@saturnus.com > Precedence: bulk > Reply-to: incel@saturnus.com > Content-Length: 2019 > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Does your mail provider give you FREE antivirus protection? > Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 31 10:57:50 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5C45D78C for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 4425554 for multiple; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:21:13 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0VI4DFX027662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:04:16 -0600 Message-ID: <401BEE34.5010408@sonny.org> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:04:36 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Beverley Cc: Customer Support , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: New Install (for dummies) References: <401745A5.4010401@sonny.org> <4017C45F.6070804@sonny.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040130042245.01e12058@mail.pczero.net> <1075465555.19454.15.camel@andylap.andybev.com> In-Reply-To: <1075465555.19454.15.camel@andylap.andybev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/92 X-Sequence-Number: 4360 For some unknown reason, the URL you mention has not been kept up to date. John Archie, the original author, and I exchanged emails about the HOWTO three years ago trying to tune up verbage and clarify many omissions and misleading statements. We have differing views on the security portion of the doc, but the modified version was going to provide both views as user choices where we did not agree. He even mentioned to me that he had previously corrected/updated the HOWTO before we began our email conversation, but tldp.org had not put those changes online either. I used to have a new link to the revised document, but that site/URL no longer exists, sorry. Dan Liston Andrew Beverley wrote: > I think you'll find most of your questions answered in this document: > > http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Majordomo-MajorCool-HOWTO/ > > If there's still stuff that's unclear then I'm sure people on this list > would be willing to help. > > Andy Beverley > > > On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 09:34, Customer Support wrote: > >> OK folks I am WAY new to the 100% brand new install of majordomo and I >>need a little help please. Excuse me if these seem like hand holding level >>requests, but as it is the first go round for many things, I want to make >>sure that not only do I get it right, but that I also understand what all >>is going on. In other words I really am trying to learn something in the >>process! :) >> >> OK lets start right at step one of the clean install. I am not sure I >>understand fully about the group and user for majordomo. The docs say >>"Pick a group and user ID for Majordomo to run under. Usually this is >>'majordomo.daemon'." Then they go on to say something about setting up and >>using a different user then making them trusted, etc. Can someone please >>walk me through the process of setting up this "group and user ID" that I >>can use to run majordomo under? My main goal is to have this as secure as >>possible. If I need to jump through an extra hoop or two from an "quick >>and easy" install to get things secure that fine. After I set up the user >>and group, I take it that the ID for each of these is what is entered into >>the makefile as W_USER and W_GROUP. Is that correct? >> >> >>Thanks, >>DB >> From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 31 11:31:53 2004 Received: from web60205.mail.yahoo.com (web60205.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.118.100]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D66C851DAD for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:41:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20040131184115.36418.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.128.58.138] by web60205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:41:15 GMT Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:41:15 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?= Subject: Re: Is my installation now as secure as it can be ? To: Daniel Liston Cc: major In-Reply-To: <401BD8F7.5030004@sonny.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200401/93 X-Sequence-Number: 4361 Thanks Daniel, It sounds like my host has done all he can doesn't it, so I'll have to cross my fingers now. (apologies in advance for a possible duplicate of my original message which may arrive) lee --- Daniel Liston wrote: > The answer is no. As long as things like this are > showing up in the headers, you are not secure. > "X-Authentication-Warning: shamus.saturnus.com: > majordom set sender to owner-incel@saturnus.com > using -f" > > As long as the -list or -outgoing aliases can not be > protected, you are not secure. > > Dan Liston > . ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 31 15:02:45 2004 Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (mta08-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.48]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BAC54CED for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ianzvxblwfw7if ([81.105.81.40]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040131225841.YBHS26804.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@ianzvxblwfw7if> for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:58:41 +0000 From: "Ian" To: Subject: Setup help required Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:58:47 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Archive-Number: 200401/94 X-Sequence-Number: 4362 I have never used majordomo previously and my only access to my mailing list is through an ISP interface which is very basic. I have created the mailing list and subscribed some members. This has worked fine and all the subscription messages etc have come through to me. If I send an email to my list mylistname@mydomin.com I get a message from majordomo saying "command not recognised". The command being the test text I placed in the message. I have a feeling that I need to setup a mail user or an alias of some sort, but I am a novice at this sort of thing so would be grateful of any advice. Ian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 28/01/2004 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Jan 31 17:29:32 2004 Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665075512F for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (unverified [24.116.58.25]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 4274240 for multiple; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:20:40 -0700 Received: from sonny.org (dad.liston.nu [192.168.1.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.sonny.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i111CQFX029139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:12:30 -0600 Message-ID: <401C5294.80105@sonny.org> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:12:52 -0600 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Cc: Majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Setup help required References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Archive-Number: 200401/95 X-Sequence-Number: 4363 I am confused. If you are sending a message to your list, why is majordomo seeing it at all to say "command not recognised"? Are you sending a message to majordomo instead of to your list? Please provide a copy of the aliases for your list with the word "test" substituted everywhere your listname appears. For example; #test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" #owner-test: test-owner, #test-owner: yournamehere #test-approval: test-owner #test-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify #test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /var/lib/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" #test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing", #test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" #test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" #test-digest: test #owner-test-digest: test-owner #test-digest-owner: test-owner #test-digest-outgoing: "|/usr/sbin/bulk_mailer owner-test@sample.org /var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest" The above can be used as a template for creating your list aliases, with the exception that only one of the test-request lines can be used, depending on the value of $majordomo_request. The following is from the /etc/majordomo.cf file. # If you are using majordomo at the -request address, set the # following variable to 1. This affects the welcome message that is # sent to a new subscriber as well as the help text that is generated. # $majordomo_request = 1; This setting means you want to use the test-request alias that has the "majordomo" argument to "wrapper". A zero (0) value to this variable means you will be using the "request-answer" argument. Dan Liston Ian wrote: > I have never used majordomo previously and my only access to my mailing list > is through an ISP interface which is very basic. > I have created the mailing list and subscribed some members. This has worked > fine and all the subscription messages etc have come through to me. > If I send an email to my list mylistname@mydomin.com I get a message from > majordomo saying "command not recognised". The command being the test text I > placed in the message. > I have a feeling that I need to setup a mail user or an alias of some sort, > but I am a novice at this sort of thing so would be grateful of any advice. > > Ian