From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Sep 1 10:42:40 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE2432C4B2 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDS.esson.net (eds.wrenkasky.com [10.10.10.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by wrenkasky.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j81HgSO5017070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:42:33 -0700 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20050901101846.01c2e408@mail.esson.net> X-Sender: ed@mail.esson.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:33:54 -0700 To: From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: Reply to: not working Cc: In-Reply-To: <200509011535.j81FZhmE011662@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.co m> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20050831221617.01c0ed60@mail.esson.net> <200509011535.j81FZhmE011662@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass (wrenkasky.com: 10.10.10.11 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1050/Thu Sep 1 01:26:43 2005 on yoda2.wrenkasky.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archive-Number: 200509/1 X-Sequence-Number: 5152 At 08:38 AM Thursday, 9/1/2005, Robert Isaac wrote -=> >The dropped (s) was a typo, thanks for pointing it out. The alias's seem >to be working correctly: >lists-owner: volvo lists: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" >majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: >lists-owner majordomo-owner: lists-owner directors: >"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l directors directors-list" >directors-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors >owner-directors: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk directors-owner: >robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk directors-approval: >robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk directors-request: >"|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l directors" These look okay to me with one exception. I would add "nobody" at the end of the wrapper alias: directors: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l directors directors-list,nobody" From the faq: Sendmail 8.x will unfortunately log your -outgoing alias in the "Received:" lines. To prevent this you need to specify more than one address for the list name argument to resend. (for example "mylist:|"/usr/local/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -h foo.org -l mylist mylist-seekrit,nobody"" where nobody is an alias for /dev/null) You would add the following to your aliases: nobody: /dev/null >'volvo' in line 1 is my mailbox, should this be an actual address or does >it not matter? Not sure what you mean by this. >Now I have sorted out the smrsh issue as well new users can subscribe and >the messages all come through. I will see how the 'directors-list' runs as >it is only a small one, before setting up our main list. > >Is an incorrect GID and UID likely to be a problem. I used a current >user/group - daemon - in Makefile, as it would not install if I created a >new user and group 'majordomo'. If it were I don't think anything would work for the list. Am I correct in assuming that the list is sending to the recipients but not reading updates to the config file? Check that the config file is >Thanks for your help, greatly appreciated. > >Bob > >___________________________________________________ >Robert Isaac >Director and Web Administrator >Volvo Owners Club > >www.volvoclub.org.uk > >Please include all previous text with reply >All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. > >-----Original Message----- >From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com >[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] >On Behalf Of Ed Kasky >Sent: 01 September 2005 06:30 >To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk >Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com >Subject: Re: Reply to: not working > >Is the list "director-list" or "directors-list" - you have it as the >former in your footer and the latter in the reply_to > >Also, personally I find it much easier to keep all the file names the same >as the list. In your config file you are mixing "directors" and >"director(s)-list" > >On another note, I had a problem very similar to this recently setting up >a new list. None of the changes I was making in the config file were >taking effect when posting. I figured out the my aliases for the list >were not correct. > >Double check the aliases if you can against a known working example. > >This is what I use as a template for lists with an archive and digest: >test: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody'" >test-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test, test-archive, >test-digestify >test-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/digest -r -C -l test-digest >test-digest-outgoing" >test-digest: test >test-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test-digest >test-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive -f >/usr/local/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" > >At 02:23 PM Wednesday, 8/31/2005, Robert Isaac wrote -=> > > > Thank you. I use Webmin which has a Majordomo module. To answer your > > questions: > >Where exactly are you making these changes? > >In the config file for the list - directors-list, the file is > >/lists/directors.config: > > > >This is for the footer: > > # message_footer [string_array] (undef) > > # Text to be appended at the end of all messages posted to the > > # list. The text is expanded before being used. The following > > # expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of the current > > # list, $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from line, > $VERSION, > > # the version of majordomo. If used in a digest, no expansion > > # tokens are provided > >message_footer << END > >NOTE: When sending a reply send it to: director-list@volvoclub.org.uk > >END > > > >This is for the Reply to: > > > > # reply_to [word] () > > # Put a reply-to header with value into the outgoing > > # message. If the token $SENDER is used, then the address of the > > # sender is used as the value of the reply-to header. This is the > > # value of the reply-to header for digest lists. > >reply_to = directors-list@volvoclub.org.uk > > > > # resend_host [word] (undef) > > # The host name that is appended to all address strings specified > > # for resend. > >resend_host = volvoclub.org.uk > > > > # restrict_post [restrict_post] (undef) > > # If defined, only addresses listed in these files (colon or space > > # separated) can post to the mailing list. By default, these files > > # are relative to the lists directory. These files are also > checked > > # when get_access, index_access, info_access, intro_access, > > # which_access, or who_access is set to 'list'. This is less > useful > > # than it seems it should be since there is no way to create these > > # files if you do not have access to the machine running resend. > > # This mechanism will be replaced in a future version of > > # majordomo/resend. > >restrict_post = directors > > > > # sender [word] (owner-directors) > > > # The envelope and sender address for the resent mail. This string > > # has "@" and the value of resend_host appended to it to make a > > # complete address. For majordomo, it provides the sender address > > # for the welcome mail message generated as part of the subscribe > > # command. > >sender = owner-directors > > > >My understanding of the Reply to: is that when someone uses 'reply' to > >an email from the list (directors-list) the list address automatically > >goes into the TO field in the reply email so that it goes to the list > >and not the originator. Have I misunderstood this? > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Ed Kasky [mailto:ed@esson.net] > >Sent: 31 August 2005 21:45 > >To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk > >Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > >Subject: Re: Reply to: not working > > > >At 01:33 PM Wednesday, 8/31/2005, you wrote -=> > > >ProLiant DL360 running RHESL4 with Apache 2 and Sendmail 8.13.1, with > > >Majordomo 1.94.5 > > > > > >I cannot get the Reply to: to work for discussions. If I put "Reply to: > > >directors-list@volvoclub.org.uk" and send an email to the list from > > >me, it arrives OK, but if I use the 'reply' function the email > > >address in > > the From: > > >field is mine, not directors-list@volvoclub.org.uk. What have I missed > out? > > > > > >Also, the footer does not appear on the email. > > > >Where exactly are you making these changes? > > > >Are you making the changes to the config file directly or via email?? > > > >Post what you have in your config file for these two things - it will > >help us help you. > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >Randomly Generated Quote (610 of 1003): >It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish. > -- Aeschylus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Randomly Generated Quote (537 of 1003): I find that principles have no real force except when one is well fed. -Mark Twain (1835-1910) From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Sep 3 08:31:11 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5857232C162 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j83FOEcY017839 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:24:19 +0100 Message-Id: <200509031524.j83FOEcY017839@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: Subject: Archiving Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:26:55 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWwm6mHAUM+lYfKRi+uHF1RQAAgJg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Archive-Number: 200509/2 X-Sequence-Number: 5153 Does archiving in Majordomo work or not work with archive2.pl? I have followed the instructions in the README. /etc/aliases has: test-list-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.archive/test-list -m -a" /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.config has: archive_dir = /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.archive The directory /test.archive is chmod 777 Majordomo 1.94.5 Sendmail 8.13.1 O/S RHESL4 Apache 2.0.52 Perl 5.8.5 ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Sep 3 08:53:19 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404E332C55B for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j83FpVif018746 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:51:36 +0100 Message-Id: <200509031551.j83FpVif018746@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: Subject: Approval/auth problem Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:54:12 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWwn6+mK2aUydATQ1GLgAR3U63Xsg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Archive-Number: 200509/3 X-Sequence-Number: 5154 I am having a problem with subscribers subscribing themselves. I have this in the list conf file: subscribe_policy = open+confirm The email goes to the subscriber with the auth code which they duly return. But I then get an email stating that I need to 'approve' them as the list may be a 'closed' list. Surely this is not correct? Majordomo 1.94.5 Sendmail 8.13.1 O/S RHESL4 Apache 2.0.52 Perl 5.8.5 Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Sep 3 11:42:43 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.1.212]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177C232C4AF for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jjah@localhost) by cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j83IfcK18777; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:41:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Robert Isaac Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Archiving In-Reply-To: <200509031524.j83FOEcY017839@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200509/4 X-Sequence-Number: 5155 On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Robert Isaac wrote: > Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:26:55 +0100 > From: Robert Isaac > To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Archiving > > > Does archiving in Majordomo work or not work with archive2.pl? I have > followed the instructions in the README. > > /etc/aliases has: > test-list-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f > /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.archive/test-list -m -a" > > /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.config has: > archive_dir = /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.archive > > The directory /test.archive is chmod 777 > > Majordomo 1.94.5 > Sendmail 8.13.1 > O/S RHESL4 > Apache 2.0.52 > Perl 5.8.5 > ___________________________________________________ > Robert Isaac > Director and Web Administrator > Volvo Owners Club > > www.volvoclub.org.uk > > Please include all previous text with reply > All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. See ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/Archive-Digest.HOW-TO.2-2 Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Sep 3 11:45:22 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.1.212]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866C832C594 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jjah@localhost) by cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j83IjHu19032; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Robert Isaac Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Approval/auth problem In-Reply-To: <200509031551.j83FpVif018746@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200509/5 X-Sequence-Number: 5156 On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Robert Isaac wrote: > Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:54:12 +0100 > From: Robert Isaac > To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Approval/auth problem > > I am having a problem with subscribers subscribing themselves. I have this > in the list conf file: > > subscribe_policy = open+confirm > > The email goes to the subscriber with the auth code which they duly return. > But I then get an email stating that I need to 'approve' them as the list > may be a 'closed' list. Surely this is not correct? > > Majordomo 1.94.5 > Sendmail 8.13.1 > O/S RHESL4 > Apache 2.0.52 > Perl 5.8.5 > > Bob > ___________________________________________________ > Robert Isaac > Director and Web Administrator > Volvo Owners Club > > www.volvoclub.org.uk > > Please include all previous text with reply > All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. See ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/majordomo.5 # users. It also makes administration simpler by not requiring additional # owner approval for open lists when address_a subscribes address_b # (confirmation makes this redundant). Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Sep 3 13:05:22 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F7D32C2BB for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j83K1qTM025439; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:01:58 +0100 Message-Id: <200509032001.j83K1qTM025439@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: "'Joe R. Jah'" Cc: Subject: Re: Approval/auth problem Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:04:34 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWwt0ClIGWNAVV0QeyJeB5VhIa6KwAC0zAw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: X-Archive-Number: 200509/6 X-Sequence-Number: 5157 Excellent, many thanks for this. Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. -----Original Message----- From: Joe R. Jah [mailto:jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us] Sent: 03 September 2005 19:45 To: Robert Isaac Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Approval/auth problem On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Robert Isaac wrote: > Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:54:12 +0100 > From: Robert Isaac > To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Approval/auth problem > > I am having a problem with subscribers subscribing themselves. I have > this in the list conf file: > > subscribe_policy = open+confirm > > The email goes to the subscriber with the auth code which they duly return. > But I then get an email stating that I need to 'approve' them as the > list may be a 'closed' list. Surely this is not correct? > > Majordomo 1.94.5 > Sendmail 8.13.1 > O/S RHESL4 > Apache 2.0.52 > Perl 5.8.5 > > Bob > ___________________________________________________ > Robert Isaac > Director and Web Administrator > Volvo Owners Club > > www.volvoclub.org.uk > > Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned > with an antivirus scanner. See ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/majordomo.5 # users. It also makes administration simpler by not requiring additional # owner approval for open lists when address_a subscribes address_b # (confirmation makes this redundant). Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Sep 3 19:09:46 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from ispwest-email1.mdeinc.com (mail1.ispwest.com [216.52.245.18]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9092F32C310 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [4.249.39.215] (dialup-4.249.39.215.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.39.215]) by ispwest-email1.mdeinc.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.420.0) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:09:39 -0700 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: OK X-Modus-BlackList: 4.249.39.215=OK;beforewisdom@yahoo.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 4.249.39.215=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 4.249.39.215=NO Message-ID: <431A5811.7090106@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:12:33 -0400 From: Steve Organization: MYOB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Majordomo 1.9.4.1 & Reply-to capacity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200509/7 X-Sequence-Number: 5158 Hi; I was just reading the majordom FAQ when I came across this quote "The most important reason why (setting )Reply-To: to the list is bad is that it can cause mail loops if any of the members of your list are running fairly-common but broken software which doesn't know what an envelope address is. (Many Microsoft products, as well as many other PC-based non-SMTP/Internet mail systems which work through an SMTP gateway.)" Is this still true? I have run a few list serves and been on many mailing lists where replies went to the list with no technical problems whatsoever. Does this information apply to modern versions of majordomo? Thanks for the info. Steve From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 4 02:48:19 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E3832C1C3 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j849kVNv026306 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:46:36 +0100 Message-Id: <200509040946.j849kVNv026306@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: Subject: How big a mailing list? Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:49:13 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 thread-index: AcWxNefsc1Q5IpeuTz+tsmpZopoA4A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Archive-Number: 200509/8 X-Sequence-Number: 5159 How big a mailing list can Majordomo accommodate? One of the lists I want to set up is around 5000. Majordomo 1.94.5 Sendmail 8.13.1 O/S RHESL4 Apache 2.0.52 Perl 5.8.5 Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 4 10:06:59 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E4732C1DA for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j84H3tOH003450; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:04:01 +0100 Message-Id: <200509041704.j84H3tOH003450@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: "'Joe R. Jah'" Cc: Subject: Re: Archiving Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:06:37 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWwtwbU7Tsu8dcOSYe7AALWB2dKeAAs/Yxw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Archive-Number: 200509/9 X-Sequence-Number: 5160 Thanks for this, but messages are still not getting archived. Firstly, I assume every email to the list gets archived? This is what I have for 'test-list': /etc/aliases: nobody: /dev/null #(This was originally- nobody: root) test-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test owner-test: test-owner test: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" test-owner: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk, test-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" test-approval: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk test-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify test-archiver: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" test-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing" owner-test-digest: test-owner test-digest: test, test-digest-owner: test-owner test-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test-digest" test-digest-approval: test-approval test-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test-digest,nobody" /lists/test.config: archive_dir = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test digest_archive = /usr/local/majordomo/digests/test-digest reply_to = test-list@volvoclub.org.uk resend_host = volvoclub.org.uk /majordomo.cf: $whereami = "volvoclub.org.uk"; $whoami = "lists\@$whereami"; $whoami_owner = "lists-owner\@$whereami"; if ( defined $ENV{"HOME"}) { $homedir = $ENV{"HOME"}; } else { $homedir = "/usr/local/majordomo"; } $listdir = "$homedir/lists"; $filedir = "$homedir/archives"; $filedir_suffix = ""; $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests"; $log = "$homedir/Log"; $sendmail_command = "/usr/lib/sendmail"; $mailer = "$sendmail_command -oi -oee -f\$sender"; $bounce_mailer = "$sendmail_command -oi -oee -f\$sender -t"; $config'default_subscribe_policy = "open+confirm"; $confirm_address = "confirm\@$whereami"; $confirm_expire = 14*24*3600;# Seconds to wait before expiring (2 weeks) $confirm_randev = "/dev/random";# Leave undefined to use rand instead $confirm_keys = "$listdir/confirm.keys";# Or some other MD-writable place $no_x400at = 0; $no_true_x400 = 0; GID and UID are daemon /usr/local/majordomo (751) /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test (755) /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test-digest (755) /usr/local/majordomo/digests/test-digest (755) /usr/local/majordomo/lists (755) /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test (file: 644) /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.config (file: 660) The smrsh directory is /etc/smrsh and holds a symbolic link owned by root to /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper Is there something not correct or missed? Thanks Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Joe R. Jah Sent: 03 September 2005 19:42 To: Robert Isaac Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Archiving On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Robert Isaac wrote: > Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:26:55 +0100 > From: Robert Isaac > To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Archiving > > > Does archiving in Majordomo work or not work with archive2.pl? I have > followed the instructions in the README. > > /etc/aliases has: > test-list-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f > /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.archive/test-list -m -a" > > /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.config has: > archive_dir = /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.archive > > The directory /test.archive is chmod 777 > > Majordomo 1.94.5 > Sendmail 8.13.1 > O/S RHESL4 > Apache 2.0.52 > Perl 5.8.5 > ___________________________________________________ > Robert Isaac > Director and Web Administrator > Volvo Owners Club > > www.volvoclub.org.uk > > Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned > with an antivirus scanner. See ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-contrib/Archive-Digest.HOW-TO.2-2 Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 4 10:26:51 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA16132C16F for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDS.esson.net (eds.wrenkasky.com [10.10.10.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by wrenkasky.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j84HQhBd011837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:26:48 -0700 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20050904101620.01bd8460@mail.esson.net> X-Sender: ed@mail.esson.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 10:26:43 -0700 To: From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: Archiving Cc: In-Reply-To: <200509041704.j84H3tOH003450@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.co m> References: <200509041704.j84H3tOH003450@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass (wrenkasky.com: 10.10.10.11 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on yoda2.wrenkasky.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archive-Number: 200509/10 X-Sequence-Number: 5161 At 10:06 AM Sunday, 9/4/2005, Robert Isaac wrote -=> >Thanks for this, but messages are still not getting archived. Firstly, I the first place to look is in the logs. Are you getting any errors either in the maillog or in the majordomo log? What happens when you send a message to test? Does the message go to the test list at all?? >/usr/local/majordomo/archives/test-digest (755) Why do you have this one?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you archiving the digests as well? >/usr/local/majordomo/digests/test-digest (755) >/usr/local/majordomo/lists (755) >/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test (file: 644) >/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.config (file: 660) I can't remember why but I have my archives and digest folders set to 775. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Randomly Generated Quote (103 of 1003): "If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant; if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome." - Anne Bradstreet From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 4 10:35:57 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D67032C218 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j84HWqJu004297; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:32:57 +0100 Message-Id: <200509041732.j84HWqJu004297@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: "'Ed Kasky'" Cc: Subject: Re: Archiving Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:35:34 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWxdXo8Ydl29tGNTn2Kh1lm9qbotgAAPmOg In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20050904101620.01bd8460@mail.esson.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Archive-Number: 200509/11 X-Sequence-Number: 5162 The message to test-list@volvoclub.org.uk comes back to me OK, I'm the only one on the test list. There are no irregular entries in maillog, but the message is not showing in Majordomo Log. The HOW-TO by Dan Liston stated that the dirs should be 755. Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kasky Sent: 04 September 2005 18:27 To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Archiving At 10:06 AM Sunday, 9/4/2005, Robert Isaac wrote -=> >Thanks for this, but messages are still not getting archived. Firstly, >I the first place to look is in the logs. Are you getting any errors either in the maillog or in the majordomo log? What happens when you send a message to test? Does the message go to the test list at all?? >/usr/local/majordomo/archives/test-digest (755) Why do you have this one?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you archiving the digests as well? >/usr/local/majordomo/digests/test-digest (755) >/usr/local/majordomo/lists (755) /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test (file: >644) /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.config (file: 660) I can't remember why but I have my archives and digest folders set to 775. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Randomly Generated Quote (103 of 1003): "If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant; if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome." - Anne Bradstreet From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 4 12:20:37 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB0132C1D0 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDS.esson.net (eds.wrenkasky.com [10.10.10.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by wrenkasky.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j84JKURl014642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:20:35 -0700 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20050904120934.01bc9160@mail.esson.net> X-Sender: ed@mail.esson.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:20:29 -0700 To: From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: Archiving Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <200509041732.j84HWqJu004297@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.co m> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20050904101620.01bd8460@mail.esson.net> <200509041732.j84HWqJu004297@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass (wrenkasky.com: 10.10.10.11 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on yoda2.wrenkasky.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archive-Number: 200509/12 X-Sequence-Number: 5163 I just remembered something but deleted your last message with the aliases:-( Does your alias "test" have the alias to "test-archive"? Notice in the sample below that a message to test goes to test-list which includes the list itself, the test-archive alias and the test-digestify alias: test: "|/usr/local/majordomo/demime '== /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-list,nobody'" test-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test, test-archive, test-digestify test-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" test-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing" test-digest: test test-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test-digest At 10:35 AM Sunday, 9/4/2005, you wrote -=> >The message to test-list@volvoclub.org.uk comes back to me OK, I'm the only >one on the test list. There are no irregular entries in maillog, but the >message is not showing in Majordomo Log. > >The HOW-TO by Dan Liston stated that the dirs should be 755. I figured as much ;-) >-----Original Message----- >From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com >[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kasky >Sent: 04 September 2005 18:27 >To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk >Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com >Subject: Re: Archiving > >At 10:06 AM Sunday, 9/4/2005, Robert Isaac wrote -=> > >Thanks for this, but messages are still not getting archived. Firstly, > >I > >the first place to look is in the logs. Are you getting any errors either >in the maillog or in the majordomo log? > >What happens when you send a message to test? > >Does the message go to the test list at all?? > > >/usr/local/majordomo/archives/test-digest (755) > >Why do you have this one?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you archiving the digests as >well? > > >/usr/local/majordomo/digests/test-digest (755) > >/usr/local/majordomo/lists (755) /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test (file: > >644) /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.config (file: 660) > >I can't remember why but I have my archives and digest folders set to 775. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Randomly Generated Quote (46 of 1003): "Determine never to be idle... It is wonderful how much may be done if we are always doing." --Thomas Jefferson From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 4 12:35:46 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from defiant.emacolet.com (defiant.emacolet.com [24.106.189.230]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DD932C216 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from akelalt (c-67-181-54-30.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.181.54.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by defiant.emacolet.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j84JZeZm009412; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 15:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509041935.j84JZeZm009412@defiant.emacolet.com> Reply-To: From: "Peter P. Benac" To: , Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:35:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200509040946.j849kVNv026306@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWxNefsc1Q5IpeuTz+tsmpZopoA4AAUcbtA X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Archive-Number: 200509/13 X-Sequence-Number: 5164 I had one in the 10K range. Depending on the system it may take a while to get it all out, but it did a fine job of doing so. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Providing Network and Systems Project Management and Installation and Web Hosting. Phone: 919-618-2557 Web: http://www.emacolet.com Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit http://www.nmsusers.org To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Robert Isaac Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 02:49 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: How big a mailing list? How big a mailing list can Majordomo accommodate? One of the lists I want to set up is around 5000. Majordomo 1.94.5 Sendmail 8.13.1 O/S RHESL4 Apache 2.0.52 Perl 5.8.5 Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 4 12:55:26 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC4F32C2A3 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j84JqGdw007994; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:52:22 +0100 Message-Id: <200509041952.j84JqGdw007994@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: , Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:54:59 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <200509041935.j84JZeZm009412@defiant.emacolet.com> Thread-Index: AcWxNefsc1Q5IpeuTz+tsmpZopoA4AAUcbtAAACrg3A= X-Archive-Number: 200509/14 X-Sequence-Number: 5165 Thanks. Our new server is quite a powerful one so it should be a walk in the park. Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Peter P. Benac Sent: 04 September 2005 20:36 To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk; Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? I had one in the 10K range. Depending on the system it may take a while to get it all out, but it did a fine job of doing so. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Providing Network and Systems Project Management and Installation and Web Hosting. Phone: 919-618-2557 Web: http://www.emacolet.com Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit http://www.nmsusers.org To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Robert Isaac Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 02:49 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: How big a mailing list? How big a mailing list can Majordomo accommodate? One of the lists I want to set up is around 5000. Majordomo 1.94.5 Sendmail 8.13.1 O/S RHESL4 Apache 2.0.52 Perl 5.8.5 Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 4 12:55:26 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA4732C2A3 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j84JqGdx007994; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:52:23 +0100 Message-Id: <200509041952.j84JqGdx007994@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: "'Ed Kasky'" Cc: Subject: Re: Archiving Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:54:59 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20050904120934.01bc9160@mail.esson.net> Thread-Index: AcWxhWyOrF6CE7T4R4Gonxx2rftabwABD8Lg X-Archive-Number: 200509/15 X-Sequence-Number: 5166 I'm getting confused now, when sending to the list named 'test' the email goes to test-list@... Correct? Not test@... >I just remembered something but deleted your last message with the aliases:-( > >Does your alias "test" have the alias to "test-archive"? > These are in /etc/aliases, is there anything missing or wrong: test-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test owner-test: test-owner test: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" test-owner: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk, test-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" test-approval: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk test-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify test-archiver: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" test-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing" owner-test-digest: test-owner test-digest: test, test-digest-owner: test-owner test-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test-digest" test-digest-approval: test-approval test-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test-digest,nobody" Thanks. ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kasky Sent: 04 September 2005 20:20 To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Archiving I just remembered something but deleted your last message with the aliases:-( Does your alias "test" have the alias to "test-archive"? Notice in the sample below that a message to test goes to test-list which includes the list itself, the test-archive alias and the test-digestify alias: test: "|/usr/local/majordomo/demime '== /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-list,nobody'" test-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test, test-archive, test-digestify test-archive: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" test-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing" test-digest: test test-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test-digest At 10:35 AM Sunday, 9/4/2005, you wrote -=> >The message to test-list@volvoclub.org.uk comes back to me OK, I'm the >only one on the test list. There are no irregular entries in maillog, >but the message is not showing in Majordomo Log. > >The HOW-TO by Dan Liston stated that the dirs should be 755. I figured as much ;-) >-----Original Message----- >From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com >[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kasky >Sent: 04 September 2005 18:27 >To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk >Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com >Subject: Re: Archiving > >At 10:06 AM Sunday, 9/4/2005, Robert Isaac wrote -=> > >Thanks for this, but messages are still not getting archived. > >Firstly, I > >the first place to look is in the logs. Are you getting any errors >either in the maillog or in the majordomo log? > >What happens when you send a message to test? > >Does the message go to the test list at all?? > > >/usr/local/majordomo/archives/test-digest (755) > >Why do you have this one?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you archiving the digests >as well? > > >/usr/local/majordomo/digests/test-digest (755) > >/usr/local/majordomo/lists (755) /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test (file: > >644) /usr/local/majordomo/lists/test.config (file: 660) > >I can't remember why but I have my archives and digest folders set to 775. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Randomly Generated Quote (46 of 1003): "Determine never to be idle... It is wonderful how much may be done if we are always doing." --Thomas Jefferson From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 5 14:33:50 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C21B32C365 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.60] (unverified [24.116.59.31]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 30052067 for multiple; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:42:03 -0700 Message-ID: <431CB9A5.8080603@sonny.org> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:33:25 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050328 Fedora/1.7.6-1.2.5 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Archiving References: <200509041952.j84JqGdx007994@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> In-Reply-To: <200509041952.j84JqGdx007994@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 11, First 38, in=7, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.59.31 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Archive-Number: 200509/16 X-Sequence-Number: 5167 Hi Robert, Let me see if I can help clarify anything for you; Robert Isaac wrote: > I'm getting confused now, when sending to the list named 'test' the email > goes to test-list@... Correct? Not test@... No! Mail to test@your.domain goes to the test: alias which expands into test-outgoing, not test-list. You can remove test-list from your aliases file. > These are in /etc/aliases, is there anything missing or wrong: > > test-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test Get rid of test-list. Anyone that writes to this address bypasses majordomo processing completely. > owner-test: test-owner Anyone in the world that writes to owner-test (including sendmail errors) will be directed to test-owner. No syntactical or logical errors here. > test: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" This is where you use majordomo's resend script to examine mail destined to test@your.domain, enforce rules and policies from the test.config file, and redirect successful output to the test-outoing alias and the nobody alias. Majordomo is pretty useless without this one. > test-owner: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk, This can be written do directly from the world, or be redirected from your owner-test alias. In turn, this alias redirects mail to a real mailbox and the comma on the end prevents sendmail from advertising the alias expansion in the message headers. This line is OK too. > test-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" This alias (or the -request part of it) is required by RFC2142 for every list your domain operates. The redirection portion of it can be a mailbox, or a program, as above. This program acts automatically to add/remove a user from your "test" list (with the proper message body content of course). > test-approval: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk This alias is used for closed or moderated lists. This is also the default address majordomo uses to send notifications unless otherwise defined in your test.config file. Any human or program can send mail to this alias and it will be redirected to the mailbox you have defined. > test-outgoing: > :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify Here is where life gets interesting. Mail can be sent to this alias by any user or program on the internet, as well as redirected to by the test list alias itself. Messages arriving at this alias are redistributed to each address (one per line) of the included file called test, and copies of the message are also redirected to the test-archiver and test-digestify aliases. Sendmail users can circumvent some abuse of this address by setting up a blocking mechanism in their virtusertable. > test-archiver: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f > /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" This is where the archiving process actually takes place. This alias has dependencies on $filedir and $filedir_suffix settings in your majordomo.cf file. The directory that stores the archive must already exist AND have the proper ownership and permissions for archive2.pl to use it. > test-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest > test-digest-outgoing" This alias calls the digest program, which has a dependency on $digest_work_dir in your majordomo.cf file, it's existance, ownership, and permissions, and the variables in your test.config that start with the word digest_*. IF the conditions from your test.config file are met, the digest is created from the messages collected in the $digest_work_dir/ and distributed to your test-digest-outgoing alias. > owner-test-digest: test-owner This alias has the same properties as the owner-test alias. > test-digest: test, This alias catches any mail accidently sent directly to the digest and redirects it to the primary list name for proper functionality. > test-digest-owner: test-owner Same functionality and properties as test-owner. > test-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l > test-digest" Allows users to sub/unsub from your digest, similar to test-request. > test-digest-approval: test-approval Same as test-approval alias. > test-digest-outgoing: > :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test-digest,nobody" This alias is only used if/when conditions defined in test.config are met regarding bytes, lines, or age of the oldest message in the $digest_work_dir/ The things to check if archiving is not working, since the aliases appear to be in order, are the locations defined match majordomo.cf and the ownership and permissions allow majordomo to use the defined locations/directories. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 5 14:37:59 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8C332C1FE for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.60] (unverified [24.116.59.31]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 29332096 for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:41:43 -0700 Message-ID: <431CBAB0.7060209@sonny.org> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:37:52 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050328 Fedora/1.7.6-1.2.5 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? References: <200509041952.j84JqGdw007994@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> In-Reply-To: <200509041952.j84JqGdw007994@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 10, First 97, in=2205, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.59.31 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Archive-Number: 200509/17 X-Sequence-Number: 5168 You can improve performance of delivery by keeping your list membership file sorted by domain. This way, when your MTA receives a distribution request, it can optimize by sending to all the uses of each domain in a single connection. Dan Liston Robert Isaac wrote: > Thanks. Our new server is quite a powerful one so it should be a walk in the > park. > > Bob > ___________________________________________________ > Robert Isaac > Director and Web Administrator > Volvo Owners Club > > www.volvoclub.org.uk > > Please include all previous text with reply > All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Peter P. Benac > Sent: 04 September 2005 20:36 > To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk; Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? > > I had one in the 10K range. Depending on the system it may take a while to > get it all out, but it did a fine job of doing so. > > Regards, > Pete > ---- > Peter P. Benac, CCNA > Emacolet Networking Services, Inc > Providing Network and Systems Project Management and Installation and Web > Hosting. > Phone: 919-618-2557 > Web: http://www.emacolet.com > Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit > http://www.nmsusers.org > > To have principles... > First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com > [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Robert Isaac > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 02:49 > To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com > Subject: How big a mailing list? > > > How big a mailing list can Majordomo accommodate? One of the lists I want to > set up is around 5000. > > Majordomo 1.94.5 > Sendmail 8.13.1 > O/S RHESL4 > Apache 2.0.52 > Perl 5.8.5 > > Bob > ___________________________________________________ > Robert Isaac > Director and Web Administrator > Volvo Owners Club > > www.volvoclub.org.uk > > Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an > antivirus scanner. > > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 6 07:06:36 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts22.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.184]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3E332C178 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acer.sympatico.ca ([70.49.2.59]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050906140738.PPXF21470.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@acer.sympatico.ca> for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:07:38 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050906095843.031991b0@pop6.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1wudu74@pop6.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:05:15 -0400 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com From: Frank Bax Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? In-Reply-To: <431CBAB0.7060209@sonny.org> References: <200509041952.j84JqGdw007994@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> <200509041952.j84JqGdw007994@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200509/18 X-Sequence-Number: 5169 But you can run into problems with that practice when a domain has limits on recipients per message (AOL, Yahoo, etc). At 05:37 PM 9/5/05, Daniel Liston wrote: >You can improve performance of delivery by keeping your list >membership file sorted by domain. This way, when your MTA >receives a distribution request, it can optimize by sending >to all the uses of each domain in a single connection. > >Dan Liston > >Robert Isaac wrote: >>Thanks. Our new server is quite a powerful one so it should be a walk in the >>park. >>Bob ___________________________________________________ >>Robert Isaac >>Director and Web Administrator >>Volvo Owners Club >>www.volvoclub.org.uk >>Please include all previous text with reply >>All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com >>[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Peter P. Benac >>Sent: 04 September 2005 20:36 >>To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk; Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com >>Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? >>I had one in the 10K range. Depending on the system it may take a while to >>get it all out, but it did a fine job of doing so. >>Regards, >>Pete >>---- >>Peter P. Benac, CCNA >>Emacolet Networking Services, Inc >>Providing Network and Systems Project Management and Installation and Web >>Hosting. >>Phone: 919-618-2557 >>Web: http://www.emacolet.com >>Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit >>http://www.nmsusers.org >>To have principles... >> First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com >>[mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Robert Isaac >>Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 02:49 >>To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com >>Subject: How big a mailing list? >> >>How big a mailing list can Majordomo accommodate? One of the lists I want to >>set up is around 5000. >>Majordomo 1.94.5 >>Sendmail 8.13.1 >>O/S RHESL4 >>Apache 2.0.52 >>Perl 5.8.5 >>Bob >>___________________________________________________ >>Robert Isaac >>Director and Web Administrator >>Volvo Owners Club >>www.volvoclub.org.uk >>Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an >>antivirus scanner. >> From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 6 07:20:38 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from lexiconn.serverhost.net (lexiconn.serverhost.net [216.71.32.54]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BC132C459 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rmang@localhost) by lexiconn.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j86EIco04561; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:18:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:18:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Mangiafico X-X-Sender: rmang@lexiconn.serverhost.net To: Frank Bax Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050906095843.031991b0@pop6.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200509/19 X-Sequence-Number: 5170 > But you can run into problems with that practice when a domain has limits > on recipients per message (AOL, Yahoo, etc). > > > At 05:37 PM 9/5/05, Daniel Liston wrote: > > >You can improve performance of delivery by keeping your list > >membership file sorted by domain. This way, when your MTA > >receives a distribution request, it can optimize by sending > >to all the uses of each domain in a single connection. What is the best way around this then with Majordomo? We use the program bulk_mailer to group domains together in SMTP envelopes, but larger lists with lots of Yahoo addresses for example get rejected due to too many recipients. We tried adjusting sendmail max messages per envelope settings, but these seem to just reject entirely and not break up the envelope... Ideas? Rob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 6 07:48:59 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from lexiconn.serverhost.net (lexiconn.serverhost.net [216.71.32.54]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E0232C452 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rmang@localhost) by lexiconn.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j86EYOE25804; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:34:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:34:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Mangiafico X-X-Sender: rmang@lexiconn.serverhost.net To: Stewart Dean Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? In-Reply-To: <431DAB0B.8040907@bard.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200509/20 X-Sequence-Number: 5171 > You can set the messages per envelope in the bulkmailer args.... > > Rob Mangiafico wrote: > >>But you can run into problems with that practice when a domain has limits > >>on recipients per message (AOL, Yahoo, etc). > >> > >> > >>At 05:37 PM 9/5/05, Daniel Liston wrote: > >> > >> > >>>You can improve performance of delivery by keeping your list > >>>membership file sorted by domain. This way, when your MTA > >>>receives a distribution request, it can optimize by sending > >>>to all the uses of each domain in a single connection. The only thing you can set in bulk_mailer as far as I know is "maxdomains" which is different than messages per envelope. If you know of a way to configure messages per envelope as well in bulk_mailer, please let me know. Rob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 6 08:16:03 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from defiant.emacolet.com (defiant.emacolet.com [24.106.189.230]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FDC32C3E1 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from akelalt (c-67-181-54-30.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.181.54.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by defiant.emacolet.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j86FDouh017080; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509061513.j86FDouh017080@defiant.emacolet.com> Reply-To: From: "Peter P. Benac" To: "'Rob Mangiafico'" , "'Frank Bax'" Cc: Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:13:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcWy7pKDgN7SF3AuTUW7ZBfSSeQDUAABmGUQ X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Archive-Number: 200509/21 X-Sequence-Number: 5172 If you are using sendmail set the TOBUFSIZ to 1024 (< 25 addresses). It's default is 2048 (> 25 addresses) The big mail handlers like Yahoo will not allow more then 25 addresses per envelop or more then 4 connections at the same time. Most important is to keep your list clean. If you get a large number of rejects the big guys will throttle you back to far less then 4 connection and 25 addresses. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Providing Network and Systems Project Management and Installation and Web Hosting. Phone: 919-618-2557 Web: http://www.emacolet.com Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit http://www.nmsusers.org To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Rob Mangiafico Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 07:19 To: Frank Bax Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? > But you can run into problems with that practice when a domain has > limits on recipients per message (AOL, Yahoo, etc). > > > At 05:37 PM 9/5/05, Daniel Liston wrote: > > >You can improve performance of delivery by keeping your list > >membership file sorted by domain. This way, when your MTA receives a > >distribution request, it can optimize by sending to all the uses of > >each domain in a single connection. What is the best way around this then with Majordomo? We use the program bulk_mailer to group domains together in SMTP envelopes, but larger lists with lots of Yahoo addresses for example get rejected due to too many recipients. We tried adjusting sendmail max messages per envelope settings, but these seem to just reject entirely and not break up the envelope... Ideas? Rob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 6 08:44:00 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E74932C43D for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j86FfG9N011459; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:41:22 +0100 Message-Id: <200509061541.j86FfG9N011459@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: , "'Rob Mangiafico'" , "'Frank Bax'" Cc: Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:44:02 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWy7pKDgN7SF3AuTUW7ZBfSSeQDUAABmGUQAAEofDA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <200509061513.j86FDouh017080@defiant.emacolet.com> X-Archive-Number: 200509/22 X-Sequence-Number: 5173 Where do I find TOBUFSIZ, I can't find it in my sendmail.cf. Using Sendmail 8.13.1 Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Peter P. Benac Sent: 06 September 2005 16:14 To: 'Rob Mangiafico'; 'Frank Bax' Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? If you are using sendmail set the TOBUFSIZ to 1024 (< 25 addresses). It's default is 2048 (> 25 addresses) The big mail handlers like Yahoo will not allow more then 25 addresses per envelop or more then 4 connections at the same time. Most important is to keep your list clean. If you get a large number of rejects the big guys will throttle you back to far less then 4 connection and 25 addresses. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Providing Network and Systems Project Management and Installation and Web Hosting. Phone: 919-618-2557 Web: http://www.emacolet.com Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit http://www.nmsusers.org To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Rob Mangiafico Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 07:19 To: Frank Bax Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? > But you can run into problems with that practice when a domain has > limits on recipients per message (AOL, Yahoo, etc). > > > At 05:37 PM 9/5/05, Daniel Liston wrote: > > >You can improve performance of delivery by keeping your list > >membership file sorted by domain. This way, when your MTA receives a > >distribution request, it can optimize by sending to all the uses of > >each domain in a single connection. What is the best way around this then with Majordomo? We use the program bulk_mailer to group domains together in SMTP envelopes, but larger lists with lots of Yahoo addresses for example get rejected due to too many recipients. We tried adjusting sendmail max messages per envelope settings, but these seem to just reject entirely and not break up the envelope... Ideas? Rob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 6 08:44:29 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from lexiconn.serverhost.net (lexiconn.serverhost.net [216.71.32.54]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6C332C452 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rmang@localhost) by lexiconn.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j86FduU03736; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:39:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:39:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Mangiafico X-X-Sender: rmang@lexiconn.serverhost.net To: "Peter P. Benac" Cc: "'Frank Bax'" , Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? In-Reply-To: <200509061513.j86FDouh017080@defiant.emacolet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200509/23 X-Sequence-Number: 5174 On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Peter P. Benac wrote: > If you are using sendmail set the TOBUFSIZ to 1024 (< 25 addresses). It's > default is 2048 (> 25 addresses) The big mail handlers like Yahoo will not > allow more then 25 addresses per envelop or more then 4 connections at the > same time. Most important is to keep your list clean. If you get a large > number of rejects the big guys will throttle you back to far less then 4 > connection and 25 addresses. > > > But you can run into problems with that practice when a domain has > > limits on recipients per message (AOL, Yahoo, etc). > > > > > > At 05:37 PM 9/5/05, Daniel Liston wrote: > > > > >You can improve performance of delivery by keeping your list > > >membership file sorted by domain. This way, when your MTA receives a > > >distribution request, it can optimize by sending to all the uses of > > >each domain in a single connection. > > What is the best way around this then with Majordomo? We use the program > bulk_mailer to group domains together in SMTP envelopes, but larger lists > with lots of Yahoo addresses for example get rejected due to too many > recipients. We tried adjusting sendmail max messages per envelope settings, > but these seem to just reject entirely and not break up the envelope... This would require recompiling sendmail it seems. And setting MaxRecipientsPerMessage in sendmail to a low value seems to reject bulk_mailer submissions with large numbers of addresses for one domain. I am trying to find a method to either tweak bulk_mailer or an easier setting for sendmail without having to recompile sendmail. I guess with newer versions of sendmail you can use QUEUE_GROUPS, but older versions seem to be out of luck... Rob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 6 09:04:38 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D5432C1B1 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j86FsiIK011765; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:54:50 +0100 Message-Id: <200509061554.j86FsiIK011765@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: "'Daniel Liston'" Cc: Subject: Re: Archiving Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:57:30 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWyYUk5i5Chl/MbR0OALsQVRHYzgQAmPqJA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <431CB9A5.8080603@sonny.org> X-Archive-Number: 200509/24 X-Sequence-Number: 5175 I think I've got my head around this now you have clarified a few things. I started with the Webmin module for Majordomo and the Webmin manual is a bit misleading about the name of the list you mail to. In the section 'Creating a Mailing List' it states: "The name forms the part of the list's email address before the @, so the resulting address will be something like example-list@example.com." This is where I got mislead about the address you send the email to as 'test-list@..' and should now be 'test@..'. The archiving and digest are now working , as is the Reply To: These are the aliases I now have set up, hopefully they are all OK - lists-owner: volvo lists: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" majordomo: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: lists-owner majordomo-owner: lists-owner confirm: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -a" owner-test: test-owner test: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" test-owner: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk, test-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" test-approval: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk test-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify test-archiver: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" test-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing" owner-test-digest: test-owner test-digest: test, test-digest-owner: test-owner test-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test-digest" test-digest-approval: test-approval test-digest-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test-digest,nobody This list has been copied for the other lists replacing 'test' with the list name. Thanks. Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. -----Original Message----- From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Liston Sent: 05 September 2005 22:33 To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Archiving Hi Robert, Let me see if I can help clarify anything for you; Robert Isaac wrote: > I'm getting confused now, when sending to the list named 'test' the > email goes to test-list@... Correct? Not test@... No! Mail to test@your.domain goes to the test: alias which expands into test-outgoing, not test-list. You can remove test-list from your aliases file. > These are in /etc/aliases, is there anything missing or wrong: > > test-list: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test Get rid of test-list. Anyone that writes to this address bypasses majordomo processing completely. > owner-test: test-owner Anyone in the world that writes to owner-test (including sendmail errors) will be directed to test-owner. No syntactical or logical errors here. > test: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" This is where you use majordomo's resend script to examine mail destined to test@your.domain, enforce rules and policies from the test.config file, and redirect successful output to the test-outoing alias and the nobody alias. Majordomo is pretty useless without this one. > test-owner: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk, This can be written do directly from the world, or be redirected from your owner-test alias. In turn, this alias redirects mail to a real mailbox and the comma on the end prevents sendmail from advertising the alias expansion in the message headers. This line is OK too. > test-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" This alias (or the -request part of it) is required by RFC2142 for every list your domain operates. The redirection portion of it can be a mailbox, or a program, as above. This program acts automatically to add/remove a user from your "test" list (with the proper message body content of course). > test-approval: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk This alias is used for closed or moderated lists. This is also the default address majordomo uses to send notifications unless otherwise defined in your test.config file. Any human or program can send mail to this alias and it will be redirected to the mailbox you have defined. > test-outgoing: > :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify Here is where life gets interesting. Mail can be sent to this alias by any user or program on the internet, as well as redirected to by the test list alias itself. Messages arriving at this alias are redistributed to each address (one per line) of the included file called test, and copies of the message are also redirected to the test-archiver and test-digestify aliases. Sendmail users can circumvent some abuse of this address by setting up a blocking mechanism in their virtusertable. > test-archiver: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f > /usr/local/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" This is where the archiving process actually takes place. This alias has dependencies on $filedir and $filedir_suffix settings in your majordomo.cf file. The directory that stores the archive must already exist AND have the proper ownership and permissions for archive2.pl to use it. > test-digestify: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l > test-digest test-digest-outgoing" This alias calls the digest program, which has a dependency on $digest_work_dir in your majordomo.cf file, it's existance, ownership, and permissions, and the variables in your test.config that start with the word digest_*. IF the conditions from your test.config file are met, the digest is created from the messages collected in the $digest_work_dir/ and distributed to your test-digest-outgoing alias. > owner-test-digest: test-owner This alias has the same properties as the owner-test alias. > test-digest: test, This alias catches any mail accidently sent directly to the digest and redirects it to the primary list name for proper functionality. > test-digest-owner: test-owner Same functionality and properties as test-owner. > test-digest-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l > test-digest" Allows users to sub/unsub from your digest, similar to test-request. > test-digest-approval: test-approval Same as test-approval alias. > test-digest-outgoing: > :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/test-digest,nobody" This alias is only used if/when conditions defined in test.config are met regarding bytes, lines, or age of the oldest message in the $digest_work_dir/ The things to check if archiving is not working, since the aliases appear to be in order, are the locations defined match majordomo.cf and the ownership and permissions allow majordomo to use the defined locations/directories. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 6 18:50:20 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Received: from web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.109]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C578332C3B3 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28646 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2005 01:49:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uTjPe0xUTM4cbeg1MAxmi+cD0IuNULCxDzIXMjlbERzYRbzyGN8ezMeXEMmnAwVXo16dMocUMjHTZN4w4IGOkRrO3L+nUey9+7TEFH6XUqI4KExW+RleoJIT7Nw6kTOiVNYKkElaRsl5fwEhV+DQ2TAuVbsro4iqwmfCRNY6WWE= ; Message-ID: <20050907014959.28644.qmail@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.162.197.34] by web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:49:59 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tamra Burgwardt Reply-To: tamraburgwardt@yahoo.com Subject: Very Newbie Install help To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-147767447-1126057799=:27626" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200509/25 X-Sequence-Number: 5176 --0-147767447-1126057799=:27626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've read the README, FAQ, etc etc and even chapters out of a book on how to set up majordomo. Call me a Luddite, but I don't see any instructions on how to write a wrapper or edit one that is there already and if that is the only thing I need to write. I have uploaded all the files onto my server and there is apparently no install program that runs at that handy little doubleclick action like other software has. Or, I could be not doing it right at all. I'm wondering a couple things: 1) Apparently there is no real install program that runs automatically, so I need to write an wrapper for the program to run under. Having never done that before, is there one out there that I can copy and edit per the instructions? 2) I have also uploaded to my server, all the files for MajorCool and have not installed them yet either because I assume I need to install majordomo first. But perhaps if I install that first it may set up my majordomo under it's scripts? Dunno. Thought I'd ask even if it does sound like a dumb question. 3) So assuming I can find a format for a wrapper and then edit it, what do I do then? I know nothing about perl so I have no idea how to actually initiate the program. As you can tell, I'm a tremendously inexperienced webmaster but I really want to learn this, so I hope someone out there will bear with my very basic newbie questions. I do learn quickly though, once I have a place to start. Thanks in advance! Tamra Tamra Burgwardt 716-578-5295 "Your karma ran over my dogma." --0-147767447-1126057799=:27626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I've read the README, FAQ, etc etc and even chapters out of a book on how to set up majordomo.  Call me a Luddite, but I don't see any instructions on how to write a wrapper or edit one that is there already and if that is the only thing I need to write.  I have uploaded all the files onto my server and there is apparently no install program that runs at that handy little doubleclick action like other software has.  Or, I could be not doing it right at all. 
 
I'm wondering a couple things:
 
1) Apparently there is no real install program that runs automatically, so I need to write an wrapper for the program to run under.  Having never done that before, is there one out there that I can copy and edit per the instructions?
 
2) I have also uploaded to my server, all the files for MajorCool and have not installed them yet either because I assume I need to install majordomo first.  But perhaps if I install that first it may set up my majordomo under it's scripts?  Dunno.  Thought I'd ask even if it does sound like a dumb question.
 
3) So assuming I can find a format for a wrapper and then edit it, what do I do then?  I know nothing about perl so I have no idea how to actually initiate the program.  As you can tell, I'm a tremendously inexperienced webmaster but I really want to learn this, so I hope someone out there will bear with my very basic newbie questions.  I do learn quickly though, once I have a place to start.
 
Thanks in advance!
Tamra


Tamra Burgwardt
716-578-5295

 
"Your karma ran over my dogma."
 
--0-147767447-1126057799=:27626-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 6 21:09:21 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Received: from S2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B268F32C39C for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.60] (unverified [24.116.59.31]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 29459959 for multiple; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:13:26 -0700 Message-ID: <431E67EB.2060005@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:09:15 -0500 From: Daniel Liston User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050328 Fedora/1.7.6-1.2.5 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tamraburgwardt@yahoo.com, Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Very Newbie Install help References: <20050907014959.28644.qmail@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050907014959.28644.qmail@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 98, in=2206, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.59.31 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Archive-Number: 200509/26 X-Sequence-Number: 5177 You don't have to write a wrapper, you have to compile it. There is a "Makefile" that you edit to match your system and other minor pre-requisites before you can compile or install majordomo. If the server your domain is hosted on gives you root access to the system AND you do not share that system with others, AND it runs on linux with a 2.0 thru 2.2 kernel, you can use the RPM installer for majordomo from redhat. Even this is not perfect, but will get you up and serving lists with minimal pain. Your only other choice is to read more of the files in the Doc directory of the majordomo tar file you downloaded from greatcircle.com. Dan Liston Tamra Burgwardt wrote: > I've read the README, FAQ, etc etc and even chapters out of a book on > how to set up majordomo. Call me a Luddite, but I don't see any > instructions on how to write a wrapper or edit one that is there already > and if that is the only thing I need to write. I have uploaded all the > files onto my server and there is apparently no install program that > runs at that handy little doubleclick action like other software has. > Or, I could be not doing it right at all. > > I'm wondering a couple things: > > 1) Apparently there is no real install program that runs automatically, > so I need to write an wrapper for the program to run under. Having > never done that before, is there one out there that I can copy and edit > per the instructions? > > 2) I have also uploaded to my server, all the files for MajorCool and > have not installed them yet either because I assume I need to install > majordomo first. But perhaps if I install that first it may set up my > majordomo under it's scripts? Dunno. Thought I'd ask even if it does > sound like a dumb question. > > 3) So assuming I can find a format for a wrapper and then edit it, what > do I do then? I know nothing about perl so I have no idea how to > actually initiate the program. As you can tell, I'm a tremendously > inexperienced webmaster but I really want to learn this, so I hope > someone out there will bear with my very basic newbie questions. I do > learn quickly though, once I have a place to start. > > Thanks in advance! > Tamra > > > *Tamra Burgwardt* > *716-578-5295* > * > * > *"Your karma ran over my dogma."* > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Sep 7 04:37:03 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from bigbrother.aphasianet.com (rdns.8.161.62.64.fre.communitycolo.net [64.62.161.8]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1402932C2C3 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (CPE0002b3917214-CM0011aec5dab4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [70.29.90.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bigbrother.aphasianet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE132843C; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <431ED3CF.6020206@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:49:35 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Mangiafico Cc: "Peter P. Benac" , 'Frank Bax' , Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How big a mailing list? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200509/27 X-Sequence-Number: 5178 Rob Mangiafico wrote: >I guess with >newer versions of sendmail you can use QUEUE_GROUPS, but older versions >seem to be out of luck... > > Where "newer" == "released in the last five or six years"... From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Sep 10 10:16:16 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A980332C348 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8AHF7xe002547 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:15:15 +0100 Message-Id: <200509101715.j8AHF7xe002547@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: Subject: Confused - again. Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:16:02 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01C5B633.B5DA5820" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcW2K1DAKFyhdL/PSqCgit9TRnpfhQ== X-Archive-Number: 200509/28 X-Sequence-Number: 5179 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C5B633.B5DA5820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought I had everything set up and was working OK, but just got this email from one of our lists: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_digest)!! open(DIGEST, ">/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/v01.n001"): No such file or directory I know there is no such directory or file as /directors-digest.archive was never set up. I set up as per Archive-Digest_HOW-TO_2-2.txt: mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/digests/directors-digest ..so where has this path come from: /usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/ In /majordomo.cf I have: $listdir = "$homedir/lists"; $filedir = "$homedir/archives"; $filedir_suffix = ""; $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests"; In /lists/directors.config and /lists/directors-digest.config I have: archive_dir = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors digest_archive = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C5B633.B5DA5820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Confused - again.

I thought I had eve= rything set up and was working OK, but just got this email from one of our = lists:

    MAJORDOMO ABORT = (mj_digest)!!

    open(DIGEST, &qu= ot;>/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/v01.n001"):= No such file or directory


I know there is no = such directory or file as /directors-digest.archive was never set up.

I set up as per Arc= hive-Digest_HOW-TO_2-2.txt:

mkdir /usr/local/ma= jordomo/archives/directors
mkdir /usr/local/m= ajordomo/archives/directors-digest
mkdir /usr/local/m= ajordomo/digests/directors-digest

..so where has this= path come from:
/usr/local/majo= rdomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/


In /majordomo.cf I = have:
$listdir =3D "= ;$homedir/lists";
$filedir =3D "= ;$homedir/archives";
$filedir_suffix = =3D "";
$digest_work_dir = =3D "$homedir/digests";

In /lists/directors= .config and /lists/directors-digest.config I have:
archive_dir &= nbsp;       =3D /usr/local/majordomo/archives= /directors
digest_archive&nbs= p;     =3D /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-dige= st

Bob

___________________= ________________________________
Robert Isaac
Director and Web A= dministrator
Volvo Owners Club<= /FONT>

www.v= olvoclub.org.uk

Please include all = previous text with reply
All messages are s= canned with an antivirus scanner.

------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C5B633.B5DA5820-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Sep 10 11:47:05 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from defiant.emacolet.com (defiant.emacolet.com [24.106.189.230]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088DE32C2A0 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from akelalt (c-67-181-54-30.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.181.54.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by defiant.emacolet.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j8AIkpuh021864; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509101847.j8AIkpuh021864@defiant.emacolet.com> Reply-To: From: "Peter P. Benac" To: , Subject: Re: Confused - again. Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:46:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200509101715.j8AHF7xe002547@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcW2K1DAKFyhdL/PSqCgit9TRnpfhQADHS2g X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Archive-Number: 200509/29 X-Sequence-Number: 5180 Just create the directory (/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive) and make sure MD read/write has access to it. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Providing Network and Systems Project Management and Installation and Web Hosting. Phone: 919-618-2557 Web: http://www.emacolet.com Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit http://www.nmsusers.org To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! ________________________________ From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Robert Isaac Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 10:16 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Confused - again. I thought I had everything set up and was working OK, but just got this email from one of our lists: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_digest)!! open(DIGEST, ">/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/v01.n001"): No such file or directory I know there is no such directory or file as /directors-digest.archive was never set up. I set up as per Archive-Digest_HOW-TO_2-2.txt: mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/digests/directors-digest ..so where has this path come from: /usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/ In /majordomo.cf I have: $listdir = "$homedir/lists"; $filedir = "$homedir/archives"; $filedir_suffix = ""; $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests"; In /lists/directors.config and /lists/directors-digest.config I have: archive_dir = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors digest_archive = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Sep 10 12:13:28 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0145C32C577 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8AJC6be006053; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:12:11 +0100 Message-Id: <200509101912.j8AJC6be006053@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: , Subject: Re: Confused - again. Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:13:01 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcW2K1DAKFyhdL/PSqCgit9TRnpfhQADHS2gAADknXA= In-Reply-To: <200509101847.j8AIkpuh021864@defiant.emacolet.com> X-Archive-Number: 200509/30 X-Sequence-Number: 5181 Yes I did that, but was wondering where this path is being generated from as I had not set it up in any config. It seems to conflict with the directions in Archive-Digest_HOW-TO_2-2.txt. Thanks. Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. -----Original Message----- From: Peter P. Benac [mailto:ppbenac@emacolet.com] Sent: 10 September 2005 19:47 To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk; Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: RE: Confused - again. Just create the directory (/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive) and make sure MD read/write has access to it. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Providing Network and Systems Project Management and Installation and Web Hosting. Phone: 919-618-2557 Web: http://www.emacolet.com Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit http://www.nmsusers.org To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! ________________________________ From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Robert Isaac Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 10:16 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Confused - again. I thought I had everything set up and was working OK, but just got this email from one of our lists: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_digest)!! open(DIGEST, ">/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/v01.n001"): No such file or directory I know there is no such directory or file as /directors-digest.archive was never set up. I set up as per Archive-Digest_HOW-TO_2-2.txt: mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/digests/directors-digest ..so where has this path come from: /usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/ In /majordomo.cf I have: $listdir = "$homedir/lists"; $filedir = "$homedir/archives"; $filedir_suffix = ""; $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests"; In /lists/directors.config and /lists/directors-digest.config I have: archive_dir = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors digest_archive = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Sep 10 12:17:36 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from defiant.emacolet.com (defiant.emacolet.com [24.106.189.230]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1638132C582 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from akelalt (c-67-181-54-30.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.181.54.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by defiant.emacolet.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j8AJHSuh022024; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509101917.j8AJHSuh022024@defiant.emacolet.com> Reply-To: From: "Peter P. Benac" To: , Subject: Re: Confused - again. Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:17:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200509101912.j8AJC6be006053@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcW2K1DAKFyhdL/PSqCgit9TRnpfhQADHS2gAADknXAAACAD8A== X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Archive-Number: 200509/31 X-Sequence-Number: 5182 So goes the documentation.. It's being generated by the digest script. The script should create the directory, but it doesn't. ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Providing Network and Systems Project Management and Installation and Web Hosting. Phone: 919-618-2557 Web: http://www.emacolet.com Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit http://www.nmsusers.org To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! -----Original Message----- From: Robert Isaac [mailto:robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 12:13 To: ppbenac@emacolet.com; Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: RE: Confused - again. Yes I did that, but was wondering where this path is being generated from as I had not set it up in any config. It seems to conflict with the directions in Archive-Digest_HOW-TO_2-2.txt. Thanks. Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. -----Original Message----- From: Peter P. Benac [mailto:ppbenac@emacolet.com] Sent: 10 September 2005 19:47 To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk; Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: RE: Confused - again. Just create the directory (/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive) and make sure MD read/write has access to it. Regards, Pete ---- Peter P. Benac, CCNA Emacolet Networking Services, Inc Providing Network and Systems Project Management and Installation and Web Hosting. Phone: 919-618-2557 Web: http://www.emacolet.com Need quick reliable Systems or Network Management advice visit http://www.nmsusers.org To have principles... First have courage.. With principles comes integrity!!! ________________________________ From: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] On Behalf Of Robert Isaac Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 10:16 To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Subject: Confused - again. I thought I had everything set up and was working OK, but just got this email from one of our lists: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_digest)!! open(DIGEST, ">/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/v01.n001"): No such file or directory I know there is no such directory or file as /directors-digest.archive was never set up. I set up as per Archive-Digest_HOW-TO_2-2.txt: mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/digests/directors-digest ..so where has this path come from: /usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/ In /majordomo.cf I have: $listdir = "$homedir/lists"; $filedir = "$homedir/archives"; $filedir_suffix = ""; $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests"; In /lists/directors.config and /lists/directors-digest.config I have: archive_dir = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors digest_archive = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest Bob ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 11 13:12:54 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from mail.sonny.com (unknown [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EAF32C188 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.60] (24-116-59-31.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.59.31]) by magnia.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IMO00I035FN8X@magnia.sonny.com> for Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:11:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:10:59 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Confused - again. In-reply-to: <200509101715.j8AHF7xe002547@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <43248F53.1090103@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 References: <200509101715.j8AHF7xe002547@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> X-Archive-Number: 200509/32 X-Sequence-Number: 5183 This error message means you have achieved the bytes, lines, or days required by your .config file to compile the files located in your $digest_work_dir/directors/ location into a digested message for distribution. The digest utility depends on other variables and settings in /etc/majordomo.cf OR the majordomo.cf pointed to by a -c argument on the digestify alias. Does /etc/majordomo.cf exist? Is it readable by the majordomo user? Does the directory appear in any of your aliases? Particularly any with -outgoing, -archiver, or -digestify? Dan Liston Robert Isaac wrote: > I thought I had everything set up and was working OK, but just got this > email from one of our lists: > > *MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_digest)!!* > > *open(DIGEST, > ">/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/v01.n001"): > No such file or directory* > > > I know there is no such directory or file as /directors-digest.archive > was never set up. > > I set up as per Archive-Digest_HOW-TO_2-2.txt: > > mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors > mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest > mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/digests/directors-digest > > ..so where has this path come from: > */usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/* > > > In /majordomo.cf I have: > $listdir = "$homedir/lists"; > $filedir = "$homedir/archives"; > $filedir_suffix = ""; > $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests"; > > In /lists/directors.config and /lists/directors-digest.config I have: > archive_dir = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors > digest_archive = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest > > Bob > > ___________________________________________________ > Robert Isaac > Director and Web Administrator > Volvo Owners Club > > _www.volvoclub.org.uk_ > > Please include all previous text with reply > All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 11 13:18:39 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from host.uuserver.net (host.uuserver.org [65.18.131.202]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2E432C1B7 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:18:34 -0700 (PDT) X-ClientAddr: 69.209.0.27 Received: from Dual (adsl-69-209-0-27.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [69.209.0.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by host.uuserver.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j8BKHjb2018570 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:17:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200509112017.j8BKHjb2018570@host.uuserver.net> From: "Jim Hermann" To: Subject: Re: Confused - again. Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:18:30 -0500 Organization: JimHermann.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <43248F53.1090103@sonny.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcW3DShjYdfIWmmRTuesrLQ1CtHyrgAAKQLQ X-UUism.net-MailScanner-Information: Contact hostmaster@uuism.net X-UUism.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UUism.net-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.2, required 5, autolearn=disabled, BAYES_00 -2.70, SPF_SOFTFAIL 0.50) X-MailScanner-From: wizard@jimhermann.com X-Archive-Number: 200509/33 X-Sequence-Number: 5184 Last time I had this error, I had to create the directory: /usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive Majordomo won't create it for you. Jim -----Original Message----- > I thought I had everything set up and was working OK, but just got this > email from one of our lists: > > *MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_digest)!!* > > *open(DIGEST, > ">/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/v01.n001"): > No such file or directory* > > > I know there is no such directory or file as /directors-digest.archive > was never set up. > > I set up as per Archive-Digest_HOW-TO_2-2.txt: > > mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors > mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest > mkdir /usr/local/majordomo/digests/directors-digest > > ..so where has this path come from: > */usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest.archive/* > > > In /majordomo.cf I have: > $listdir = "$homedir/lists"; > $filedir = "$homedir/archives"; > $filedir_suffix = ""; > $digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digests"; > > In /lists/directors.config and /lists/directors-digest.config I have: > archive_dir = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors > digest_archive = /usr/local/majordomo/archives/directors-digest > > Bob > > ___________________________________________________ > Robert Isaac > Director and Web Administrator > Volvo Owners Club > > _www.volvoclub.org.uk_ > > Please include all previous text with reply > All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 09/10/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 09/10/05 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 12 08:20:43 2005 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from femailcop.bard.edu (femailcop.bard.edu [192.246.229.46]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE64C32C2BC for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.10.252] ([10.20.10.252]) by femailcop.bard.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j8CEoZNL013390; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:50:40 -0400 (envelope-from sdean@bard.edu) Message-ID: <4325A0B3.2020608@bard.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:37:23 -0400 From: Stewart Dean User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Suggestions requested for throttling input Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200509/34 X-Sequence-Number: 5185 Majordomo is working as designed, but the mailing list server and mailserver are getting somewhat overwhelmed by having enormous clots of list thrown at them at the same time on Mondays and Fridays. I am wondering if anyone has implemented or knows of anyone implementing a throttling/priority dispatch. I have two features in mind: 1) to throttle output 2) to attach priority to mailings. I wonder what I'd do if I had a queue full of mailings and an emergency came up that I had to get out a mailing immediately I /am/ already using a wrapper for bulkmailer (because without it, all the bm submission fail on Draining Input) and I suppose I could use the wrapper do something like check the load, and if excessive, insert a -sendmail -0dq flag in the bulkwrapper invocation. Anyone with better ideas? Background ======================================================= My machines are running AIX V5.2 and sendmail V8.11. When things get bad, we'll see 125-175 mailings of about 100-400 recipients in each mailing dropped in the hopper within the span of 30-45 minutes. This is a rather free-thinking college, which means we have very little ability to control the users. Before we (recently) put in bulk_mailer in the mailing list server, its throughput limitations served to throttle what was coming at the mail server...it would run for 2-3 hours to chew its way through the mailings log jam and it didn't much impact the college mailserver. But mailings were getting through in a timely fashion and recently I realized that some mailings weren't getting through during the peak load periods... getting lost due to the drop that happens when you see the dreaded "Timeout waiting for input from local during Draining Input" Now, with bulk_mailer, the mailing list server chews through in something like 30-45 minutes, there are no Draining Input messages, though I do see, during peak loads, a bulkmailer failure syslog message: Sep 9 16:18:37 shell sendmail[1556506]: j89GHfY245932: to="|/usr/local/bin/bulk_wrapper owner-stu07@bard.edu /usr/local/majordomo/lists/stu07", ctladdr=stu07-doit (1/0), delay=00:00:56, xdelay=00:00:48, mailer=prog, pri=290194, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating system error Even so, this does get queued, so it does get sent a bit later. OTOH, this greater throughput makes the load on the mail server a lot heavier. Before it wasn't really noticeable, but now the load of a mass mailing hits the mail the mail server hard. Used to be, its CPU rarely got over 20%. Now the increased throughput means the mail server's Cpu can go to 70 %..... Any ideas? -- ==== Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 sdean@bard.edu voice: 845-758-7475, fax: 845-758-7035 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Sep 15 07:26:17 2005 X-Original-To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Received: from nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com [195.157.100.95]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2019532C195 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP (volvodsl.claranet.co.uk [80.168.254.234]) by nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8FEOMlB002413 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:24:26 +0100 Message-Id: <200509151424.j8FEOMlB002413@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Reply-To: From: "Robert Isaac" To: Subject: Error emails Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:25:24 +0100 Organization: Volvo Owners Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C5BA09.B1BD4390" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcW6AU2s8CDjKWAtRQi0/ixY7bMQcw== X-Archive-Number: 200509/35 X-Sequence-Number: 5186 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C5BA09.B1BD4390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am getting these error emails whenever someone send to the list: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.2.4 :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest... Cannot open /usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors-digest: Regular files only Can anyone tell me where to look for the cause of this. The directory /lists/directors-digest is chmod 755 Majordomo 1.94.5 Sendmail 8.13.1 O/S RHESL4 Apache 2.0.52 Perl 5.8.5 ___________________________________________________ Robert Isaac Director and Web Administrator Volvo Owners Club www.volvoclub.org.uk Please include all previous text with reply All messages are scanned with an antivirus scanner. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C5BA09.B1BD4390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Error emails

I am getting these = error emails whenever someone send to the list:

    ----- The following= addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- :include:/usr/local/majordomo/l= ists/directors-digest
       = (expanded from: <directors-digest-outgoing@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.= com>)

       ----- = Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.2.4 :include:/usr/local/majordomo= /lists/directors-digest... Cannot open /usr/local/majordomo/lists/directors= -digest: Regular files only


Can anyone tell me = where to look for the cause of this. The directory /lists/directors-digest = is chmod 755

Majordomo 1.94.= 5
Sendmail 8.13.= 1
O/S RHESL4
Apache 2.0.52<= /FONT>
Perl 5.8.5

___________________= ________________________________
Robert Isaac
Director and Web A= dministrator
Volvo Owners Club<= /FONT>

www.v= olvoclub.org.uk

Please include all = previous text with reply
All messages are s= canned with an antivirus scanner.

------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C5BA09.B1BD4390-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Sep 15 07:33:57 2005 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from lv.raad.tartu.ee (lv.raad.tartu.ee [194.126.106.110]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF51732C3D8 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: Message by Barricade lv.raad.tartu.ee with ESMTP id j8FEXmnS016709; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:33:48 +0300 Received: from INFO/SpoolDir by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48); 15 Sep 05 17:33:48 +0300 Received: from SpoolDir by INFO (Mercury 1.48); 15 Sep 05 17:33:38 +0300 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (192.168.1.2) by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 15 Sep 05 17:33:37 +0300 Message-ID: <43298640.4010008@raad.tartu.ee> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:33:36 +0300 From: Toomas Aas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (Windows/20041201) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert.isaac@volvoclub.org.uk Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Error emails References: <200509151424.j8FEOMlB002413@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> In-Reply-To: <200509151424.j8FEOMlB002413@nc3-0016.web.uk.netscalibur.com> Content-T