From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon May 1 03:42:17 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 1353 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Mon, 01 May 2006 03:42:17 PDT Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3783419C51C for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.7.106] (c-67-168-99-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.168.99.147]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F4773CDA; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4455E126.4050203@queernet.org> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 03:21:26 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Kasky Cc: "Jevos, Peter" , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Problem with aliases References: <6639BA20B265594590E97DD72A8EE0359DA1DD@exosw.osw.ori.local> <7.0.1.0.2.20060428052611.020e8e98@esson.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060428052611.020e8e98@esson.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/1 X-Sequence-Number: 5429 Ed Kasky wrote: > At 01:13 AM Friday, 4/28/2006, Jevos, Peter wrote -=> >> >> Thanks for your answer Ed, >> >> What is the effect when I add nobody to the end of the alias line as you >> suggest bellow ? > > As I said in my first message - I can't remember exactly why. If you > search the archives, I am sure there will be an explanation... It keeps some MTAs from adding "for listname-outgoing@example.com" from the Received: header. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 3 10:34:22 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5637F19C4C0 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 10:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [84.92.167.39] (helo=MyNewComputer) by pih-relay06.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1FbLEs-00019f-V9 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 03 May 2006 18:34:16 +0100 From: "Clare Redstone" To: "Majordomo users" Subject: FW: A returned mail message Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:42:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200605/2 X-Sequence-Number: 5430 Can anyone answer this for me as I've had another couple of messages like it. I don't know if this is a sign of a significant problem or not so would be grateful for advice. Thank you Clare -----Original Message----- From: Clare Redstone [mailto:clare@catspaw.plus.com] Sent: 26 April 2006 23:48 To: Majordomo users Subject: A returned mail message I've just received the following message and had another like it recently. There was an attachment too - which wasn't a message I sent. (I deleted it without reading in case virus.) I don't recognise the address below. Does this mean someone is sending sp @ m made to look as if it's coming from our list? I'm concerned that ISPs may begin to ban messages from our domain if it's apparently sending sp@m messages. Is there anything I can do about it? Thanks Clare -----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@hphl.org.uk] Sent: 26 April 2006 13:11 To: Majordomo-Owner@hphl.org.uk Subject: [-SPAM-] Returned mail: see transcript for details The original message was received at Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:10:32 +0100 from root@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- teehead1@pythonian.com(reason: 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location [67.15.98.3] (#5.7.1)) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mailstore1.secureserver.net.: >>> DATA <<< 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location [67.15.98.3] (#5.7.1) 550 5.1.1 teehead1@pythonian.com... User unknown <<< 503 RCPT first (#5.5.1) From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 3 14:13:52 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mail.sonny.com (unknown [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F3519C4FC for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp178.sonny.com [192.168.1.178]) by magnia.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0IYP00P1HJZV5V@magnia.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:07:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:13:47 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: FW: A returned mail message In-reply-to: To: Clare Redstone Cc: Majordomo users Message-id: <44591D0B.3060904@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: X-Archive-Number: 200605/3 X-Sequence-Number: 5431 Hi Clare, #1) All email, just like postal mail, can be made to "look like" it came from someplace that it did not actually originate from. Spammers take advantage of this to the nth degree. If I wanted to make this message look like it came from some hotmail.com address instead of my own, there would be little effort involved. I have no statistical proof, but just thumb nailing, I would estimate 90%+ of the spam I receive is not from the address or even the domain that appears in the "From:" address of that spam. #2) Many MTAs are configured to accept mail before attempting to decide if that mail is for a valid user, let alone Unwanted Bulk Email or virus laden. I make a differentiation between Unwanted and Unsolicited. MTAs that do accept email before checking, then have to bounce invalid mail to the Return-Path or From address. Forged header information with your domain, means these bounces come to you or your domain's MTA. #3) I do not know of any way to prevent spammers from falsifying header information, but if everyone were to configure their MTA to check before accepting invalid mail, block relaying while they are at it, and adopt the SPF (Sender Policy Framework formerly known as Sender Permitted From) the world would be a better place. SPF helps prevent forgeries. You can help others that have adopted SPF by adding SPF entries to your domain's DNS. Going back to point #1, if this message were from hotmail, but did not come from a hotmail MTA (or one defined as SPF allowed in DNS), you could reject it. Anyone receiving mail claiming to be from you or your domain without coming from your SPF allowed address(es) could choose to reject that mail. To summarize, mail was attempted to be sent by someone (maybe by a spammer) claiming to be majordomo-owner at your domain with an IP address of 67.15.98.3 to teehead1 at their domain through an MTA that was configured to block relaying. Specifically, relaying was denied from the IP address, and not the email address, but because the MTA had already accepted the message, the bounce was returned to the only address that MTA could find. In answer to your question, is there anything you can do about it? Use SPF to advertise which machines legitimate mail from your domain is allowed to traverse. Make sure your MTA is secure, and does not allow relaying. Tighten down your majordomo list's config files to only allow subscribers to send messages, and confirm the addresses of subscribers before adding them to your lists. Make sure the aliases for your majordomo lists or otherwise, are not exploited. An ISP is not likely to ban your messages unless they have strong evidence you are a cause of their problems. On the other hand, they could also ban your messages simply because you do not have a static IP or reverse DNS. Either way, I would not lose sleep over it. Some things we can change, some things we can't. We just have to be smart enough to tell the difference, and willing to take action when something can be changed. Dan Liston Clare Redstone wrote: > Can anyone answer this for me as I've had another couple of messages like > it. I don't know if this is a sign of a significant problem or not so would > be grateful for advice. > > Thank you > > Clare > -----Original Message----- > From: Clare Redstone > Sent: 26 April 2006 23:48 > To: Majordomo users > Subject: A returned mail message > > I've just received the following message and had another like it recently. > There was an attachment too - which wasn't a message I sent. (I deleted it > without reading in case virus.) I don't recognise the address below. > > Does this mean someone is sending sp @ m made to look as if it's coming from > our list? I'm concerned that ISPs may begin to ban messages from our domain > if it's apparently sending sp@m messages. > > Is there anything I can do about it? > > Thanks > > Clare > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@hphl.org.uk] > Sent: 26 April 2006 13:11 > To: Majordomo-Owner@hphl.org.uk > Subject: [-SPAM-] Returned mail: see transcript for details > > The original message was received at Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:10:32 +0100 > from root@localhost > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > teehead1@pythonian.com(reason: 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location > [67.15.98.3] (#5.7.1)) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to mailstore1.secureserver.net.: > >>>>DATA > > <<< 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location [67.15.98.3] (#5.7.1) > 550 5.1.1 teehead1@pythonian.com... User unknown > <<< 503 RCPT first (#5.5.1) > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 3 14:45:29 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 63 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 03 May 2006 14:45:28 PDT Received: from hermes.jjbedmonton.com (hermes.jjbedmonton.com [209.148.223.55]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A2B19C500 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Majordomom Updates? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:44:17 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Majordomom Updates? Thread-Index: AcZu9od1XW4f4KxRR4q+/DHapMoV+gAA/TZA From: "Daniel Kaliel" To: "Majordomo users" X-Archive-Number: 200605/4 X-Sequence-Number: 5432 Everytime I try to get Majordomo 2, the site comes up as offline. Is there any word on if this project is still alive, completion estimates, and if anyone has completed a majordomo port to windows server? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 3 15:24:06 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC14F19C3ED for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.7.106] (c-67-168-99-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.168.99.147]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC9C7329B; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44592D7D.9000007@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:23:57 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Kaliel Cc: Majordomo users Subject: Re: Majordomom Updates? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/5 X-Sequence-Number: 5433 Daniel Kaliel wrote: > Everytime I try to get Majordomo 2, the site comes up as offline. Which site -- mj2.org? Or are you using outdated info and going to a specific UH site? > Is > there any word on if this project is still alive, completion estimates, > and if anyone has completed a majordomo port to windows server? > There are no plans to release it, because there are no volunteers willing to do packaging work. That said, it has been in production use for over five years, with a much richer feature set than Mj1. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon May 15 06:09:18 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Mon, 15 May 2006 06:09:17 PDT Received: from reptar.mavtronics.com (reptar.mavtronics.com [67.64.135.163]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664BC19C541 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 06:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10472 invoked by uid 89); 15 May 2006 12:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO infinity.dallaspigs.net) (maverick@dallaspigs.net@24.0.179.69) by 0 with SMTP; 15 May 2006 12:33:24 -0000 From: Maverick Subject: administrivia setting Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:03:08 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline To: Undisclosed.Recipients: ; Message-Id: <200605150803.09587.maverick@leatherstallion.org> X-Archive-Number: 200605/6 X-Sequence-Number: 5434 =09 I have a couple of subscribers that can't send email to my listsderver beca= use=20 it finds stuf in their email header that it evidendly feels is admin=20 requests. It's set to: administrivia =3D resend =A0=20 which should turn this feature off shouldn't it? The emails go to be approv= al=20 account instead.=20 any clues? Thanks Kelvin From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon May 15 08:04:47 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BBD19C625 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 08:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.7.106] (c-67-168-99-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.168.99.147]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576A973861; Mon, 15 May 2006 08:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44689908.7010301@queernet.org> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:06:48 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maverick Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: administrivia setting References: <200605150803.09587.maverick@leatherstallion.org> In-Reply-To: <200605150803.09587.maverick@leatherstallion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/7 X-Sequence-Number: 5435 Maverick wrote: > > I have a couple of subscribers that can't send email to my listsderver because > it finds stuf in their email header that it evidendly feels is admin > requests. It's set to: > > administrivia = resend > > which should turn this feature off shouldn't it? The emails go to be approval > account instead. > > The "administrivia" settings in the standard distribution are "yes" and "no" -- whether or not to perform checks on the first ten lines. Any other settings came from some local patch. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue May 16 07:01:09 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 2145 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 16 May 2006 07:01:06 PDT Received: from wbmler3.mail.xerox.com (wbmler3.mail.xerox.com [13.13.138.218]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAEA19C5E0 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 07:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wbmlir2.mail.xerox.com (wbmlir2.mail.xerox.com [13.131.8.222]) by wbmler3.mail.xerox.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GDPAAD027124 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:25:12 -0400 Received: from wbmlir2.mail.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wbmlir2.mail.xerox.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GDO1Ca005609 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:24:01 -0400 Received: from usa7061gw02.na.xerox.net (usa7061gw02.na.xerox.net [13.151.32.4]) by wbmlir2.mail.xerox.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GDNwIv005502 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:24:01 -0400 Received: from usa0300ms02.na.xerox.net ([13.135.34.11]) by usa7061gw02.na.xerox.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 16 May 2006 06:23:52 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C678EB.F7AFD9C6" Subject: Out of office replies Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:23:43 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Out of office replies Thread-Index: AcZ46/Q5sgwCPFIPSk6pklyBdkJaOA== From: "Doty, Robert" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2006 13:23:52.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9BABB90:01C678EB] X-Archive-Number: 200605/8 X-Sequence-Number: 5436 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C678EB.F7AFD9C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hopefully someone can help me with this... =20 When I use the default installation of Majordomo and Sendmail, end users will not receive "Out of Office" replies from other members of the DL. However, when I add "bulk_mailer" to the mix, these "Out of office" messages are returned. I don't quite understand it. Nothing in the raw messages appear to be different. Could it be something with the sendmail command line options that is causing this? =20 Any help is greatly appreciated. =20 Thanks, =20 Rob =20 =20 G. Robert Doty MCD CM & Integration Manager XOG / SEBU / MCD Xerox Corporation Phone: 585-427-3194 Robert.Doty@xerox.com My favorite website: http://RochesterClassifiedsOnline.biz =20 "This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s) please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Finally, the recipient should check that this email is authentic and examine it for the presence of viruses. Xerox does perform virus checks but cannot accept liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you." =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C678EB.F7AFD9C6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hopefully= someone=20 can help me with this...
 
When I us= e the=20 default installation of Majordomo and Sendmail, end users will not receive = "Out=20 of Office" replies from other members of the DL.  However, when I add= =20 "bulk_mailer" to the mix, these "Out of office" messages are returned. = ; I=20 don't quite understand it.  Nothing in the raw messages appear to be= =20 different.  Could it be something with the sendmail command line optio= ns=20 that is causing this?
 
Any help = is greatly=20 appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
Rob
 
 



G. Robert Doty
MCD CM = &=20 Integration Manager
XOG / SEBU / MCD
Xerox Corporation
Phone:=20 585-427-3194
Robert.Doty@xerox.com

My fav= orite=20 website: http://RochesterClassifiedsOnline.biz

"This e-mail message, including an= y=20 attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may conta= in=20 confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or=20 distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s) please= =20 contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original= =20 message. Finally, the recipient should check that this email is authentic a= nd=20 examine it for the presence of viruses. Xerox does perform virus checks but= =20 cannot accept liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by t= his=20 email. Thank you."

       


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C678EB.F7AFD9C6-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue May 16 09:21:21 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E5819C5F5 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magnum.sonny.com (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by magnia.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0IZD0040X8X88Y@magnia.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:10:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:22:19 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Out of office replies In-reply-to: To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <1147796539.3108.13.camel@magnum.sonny.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: X-Archive-Number: 200605/9 X-Sequence-Number: 5437 Out of office replies are considered spam (if you ask iron port's spamcop tool) and should never be redistributed through a mailing list. That said, what versions of sendmail and majordomo are you running? Is there anything else special about your OS or environment? Can you provide sample messages, headers intact but possibly munged to protect the (guilty|innocent), that do not go out, and those that do? It would be interesting to see if more eyes on the problem might spot something overlooked. My gut tells me you are probably right about sendmail, but if I remember bulk_mailer, all it does is manage the quantity of recipients and still pass mail through sendmail for final delivery. Dan Liston On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 09:23 -0400, Doty, Robert wrote: > Hopefully someone can help me with this... > > When I use the default installation of Majordomo and Sendmail, end > users will not receive "Out of Office" replies from other members of > the DL. However, when I add "bulk_mailer" to the mix, these "Out of > office" messages are returned. I don't quite understand it. Nothing > in the raw messages appear to be different. Could it be something > with the sendmail command line options that is causing this? > > Any help is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Rob From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue May 16 12:03:28 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from MAIL2.gmhwh.org (mail2.gmhwh.org [216.49.176.51]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA9219C651 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 10.97.38.49 by MAIL2.gmhwh.org with ESMTP ( ( Email Firewall v6.2.1)); Tue, 16 May 2006 13:03:03 -0600 X-Server-Uuid: CF43AD4F-A1A0-4DED-BBFB-3C992075BCEB Received: from WH-SMTP2-MTA by inet-wh2.gmhwh.org with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:03:03 -0600 Message-ID: <4469CD7C0200009D0001D93E@inet-wh2.gmhwh.org> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Beta Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:02:52 -0600 From: "Charlie Smith" To: "Daniel Liston" Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Categorize Email Error from majordomo References: <013b01c65e3c$8c926190$640aa8c0@ict> <443D0226.8030008@sonny.org> <4448E0920200009D0001A143@inet-wh1.gmhwh.org> <4449CAB0.1070100@sonny.org> In-Reply-To: <4449CAB0.1070100@sonny.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TMWD-Spam-Summary: TS=20060516190304; SEV=2.0.1; DFV=A2006051606; IFV=2.0.4,4.0-8; RPD=4.00.0004; ENG=IBF; RPDID=NA; CAT=NONE; CON=NONE X-MMS-Spam-Filter-ID: A2006051606_4.00.0004_4.0-8 X-WSS-ID: 6874FE6D0L81937311-01-03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Archive-Number: 200605/10 X-Sequence-Number: 5438 Sounds great. I would appreciate any help on this. I've written a perl routine that can pop emails. So, when I get returned mail, I've been sending it to that account. Or if you have another idea on this, that would be great. I think something like following: The routine could parse for email address and error, accept a set of regular expressions to match? Charlie >>> "Daniel Liston" 4/22/2006 12:18 AM >>> Back in 1997 there was a perl script called bouncefilter that had promise of doing what you are looking for. In 1999 bouncefilter.pm was only for majordomo II. I have not heard of any further development, but you might google on it to see what comes up. It used to be open source There was also autobounce, designed for majordomo in 1994. The first few lines of comments sound more inline with what you are looking for, but it will automatically remove bounce addresses from your lists. Autobounce, bouncefilter, or smartbounce sites could not be found, sorry. I may be able to cobble together the pieces you need if you want to work with it. You will really need to dig in the old archives for any help using or setting them up, if the docs are not sufficient. I got to the point that any 4.x.x error was flagged for 10 days, then deleted, and an error of 5.x.x would be removed from my lists immediately. Dan Liston Charlie Smith wrote: > We are getting a number of returned email messages, with different reasons, from > all kinds of different programs and post offices. > > Is there a program someone has written that we can feed these returns through, > or trap them into a list of addresses and reason for return? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue May 16 19:58:05 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 747 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:58:05 PDT Received: from msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp (msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp [133.40.94.201]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BF419C38E for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nrose1p (nrose1-p [133.40.94.135]) by msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id k4H2j5T0012547 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:45:08 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <012a01c6795b$ea305a20$875e2885@nrose1p> From: "Masaaki OYA" To: Subject: New question (exchenge to addressee of BOUNCE-mail) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:45:09 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-2022-jp"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp X-Archive-Number: 200605/11 X-Sequence-Number: 5439 Dear Majordomo users I'm Masaaki OYA, in Japan. I have a question. Now, I use Majordomo Ver 1.94.5 on Solaris9. For example, If a non-member send to list, this mail bounce to list-owner. I wish to exchange a addressee. The bounce-mail send to list-owner and sender(non-member). Do I possible? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobeyama Radio Observatory, in Japan Computer Support Team Masaaki Oya Tel. 81-267-98-4337 (NRO-SE-room) Fax. 81-267-98-2093 　( 　,,　 ) E-mail oya@nro.nao.ac.jp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 08:40:54 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.1.212]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174E619C429 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jjah@localhost) by cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k4HFeZF09885; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:40:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Masaaki OYA Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: New question (exchenge to addressee of BOUNCE-mail) In-Reply-To: <012a01c6795b$ea305a20$875e2885@nrose1p> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200605/12 X-Sequence-Number: 5440 On Wed, 17 May 2006, Masaaki OYA wrote: > Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:45:09 +0900 > From: Masaaki OYA > To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: New question (exchenge to addressee of BOUNCE-mail) > > Dear Majordomo users > > I'm Masaaki OYA, in Japan. > I have a question. > > Now, I use Majordomo Ver 1.94.5 on Solaris9. > For example, If a non-member send to list, this mail bounce to list-owner. > I wish to exchange a addressee. The bounce-mail send to list-owner and > sender(non-member). Do I possible? See: ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config_parse.pl-resend.3 Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 08:49:25 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 149968 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:49:25 PDT Received: from thistle.propagation.net (thistle.propagation.net [69.13.86.1]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B16519C64B for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pastorbill (host-216-153-155-34.man.choiceone.net [216.153.155.34]) by thistle.propagation.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HFn6sg030259 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:49:20 -0500 From: md@tagderry.com To: Subject: Recipeint command??? Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:49:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c679c9$6ded6660$6600a8c0@pastorbill> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/0.25.321 (tagderry.com [69.13.87.56]); Wed, 17 May 2006 10:49:22 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=0.20 required=5.00 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200605/13 X-Sequence-Number: 5441 Hi,=20 Any help would be appreciated. I am using MajorCool version 1.3.2, the compatible version of MajorDomo from that era of the MajorCool version (not sure) and perl 4. I know I can set it up to have the sender's email address appear in the header, footer or body of the email sent through the list by using the [$SENDER] command. Is it possible to use a command similar to that to have the recipients "subscribed as" email appear? For YOUth,=20 William Kingsley, Jr.=20 Associate Pastor=20 Trinity Assembly of God=20 ---------------------=20 53 N. Main St.=20 Derry, NH 03038=20 (603) 434-0408 - voice=20 www.tagderry.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 09:55:51 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 342 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:55:50 PDT Received: from moroni.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F5C29003A for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ourldsfamily.com (eth1 [172.20.20.2]) by moroni.ourldsfamily.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k4HGo1Om022627 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:50:01 -0600 Received: from ats ([207.173.117.242]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <36732.207.173.117.242.1147884601.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Incredimail users? From: karlp@ourldsfamily.com To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200605/14 X-Sequence-Number: 5442 I've had several members of the various groups I host that have sent email to a group and it comes through, but there's nothing in the body. The one thing they have in common is using Incredimail. Frankly, I have no idea what that is, but the header shows: X-Mailer: IncrediMail (nnnnnnn) They send HTML/MIME email, but others do that too. I have html_policy = strip so my archives aren't hammered. I'm not going to turn that off, else my archives are worthless. Any help would be great! MD 1.94.5 sendmail-8.12.5-7 perl-5.8.0-55 all running on a Red Hat v8.0 server. Thanks, -- karl _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ____________ _-\<._ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ (_)/ (_) _/ _/ _/ _/ ...................... _/ _/ arl _/_/_/ _/ earson KarlP@ourldsfamily.com --- Senior Consulting Sys/DB Analyst http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com --- My Thoughts on Terrorism In America right after 9/11/2001: http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml --- A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you. -Ramsey Clark --- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 10:33:24 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E886419C591 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.7.106] (c-67-168-99-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.168.99.147]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4E4730BA; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <446B5E6E.9010104@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:33:34 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: karlp@ourldsfamily.com Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Incredimail users? References: <36732.207.173.117.242.1147884601.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <36732.207.173.117.242.1147884601.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/15 X-Sequence-Number: 5443 karlp@ourldsfamily.com wrote: > I've had several members of the various groups I host that have sent email to > a group and it comes through, but there's nothing in the body. The one thing > they have in common is using Incredimail. Frankly, I have no idea what that > is, but the header shows: > > X-Mailer: IncrediMail (nnnnnnn) > > They send HTML/MIME email, but others do that too. I have html_policy = strip > so my archives aren't hammered. I'm not going to turn that off, else my > archives are worthless. > > Any help would be great! > It probably sends HTML-only rather than HTML/plaintext alternative. So you strip the HTML and are left with nothing. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 10:45:02 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from moroni.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0697C19C5C7 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ourldsfamily.com (eth1 [172.20.20.2]) by moroni.ourldsfamily.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k4HHixOm029273; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:44:59 -0600 Received: from ats ([207.173.117.242]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <36986.207.173.117.242.1147887899.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <446B5E6E.9010104@queernet.org> References: <36732.207.173.117.242.1147884601.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B5E6E.9010104@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Incredimail users? From: karlp@ourldsfamily.com To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Cc: "Majordomo Users" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200605/16 X-Sequence-Number: 5444 On Wed, May 17, 2006 11:33 am, Roger B.A. Klorese said: > karlp@ourldsfamily.com wrote: >> I've had several members of the various groups I host that have sent email >> to >> a group and it comes through, but there's nothing in the body. The one thing >> they have in common is using Incredimail. Frankly, I have no idea what that >> is, but the header shows: >> >> X-Mailer: IncrediMail (nnnnnnn) >> >> They send HTML/MIME email, but others do that too. I have html_policy = >> strip >> so my archives aren't hammered. I'm not going to turn that off, else my >> archives are worthless. >> >> Any help would be great! >> > > > It probably sends HTML-only rather than HTML/plaintext alternative. So > you strip the HTML and are left with nothing. > That's the first thing I checked. It has both. I did notice, however, that the text portion is before the HTML portion, and I think that's backwards of other mailers... I'll have to do a bit of testing. Thanks, -- karl _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ____________ _-\<._ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ (_)/ (_) _/ _/ _/ _/ ...................... _/ _/ arl _/_/_/ _/ earson KarlP@ourldsfamily.com --- Senior Consulting Sys/DB Analyst http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com --- My Thoughts on Terrorism In America right after 9/11/2001: http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml --- A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you. -Ramsey Clark --- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 10:49:10 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB9819C5C7 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.7.106] (c-67-168-99-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.168.99.147]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08E7735BA; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <446B6217.4070406@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:49:11 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: karlp@ourldsfamily.com Cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Incredimail users? References: <36732.207.173.117.242.1147884601.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B5E6E.9010104@queernet.org> <36986.207.173.117.242.1147887899.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <36986.207.173.117.242.1147887899.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/17 X-Sequence-Number: 5445 karlp@ourldsfamily.com wrote: > That's the first thing I checked. It has both. I did notice, however, that the > text portion is before the HTML portion, and I think that's backwards of other > mailers... I'll have to do a bit of testing. > What are you using to do the stripping -- an MJ patch? Stripmime? Altermime? Mimedefang? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 10:51:22 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from moroni.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DD829003D for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ourldsfamily.com (eth1 [172.20.20.2]) by moroni.ourldsfamily.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k4HHpJOm029986; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:51:19 -0600 Received: from ats ([207.173.117.242]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37016.207.173.117.242.1147888279.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <446B6217.4070406@queernet.org> References: <36732.207.173.117.242.1147884601.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B5E6E.9010104@queernet.org> <36986.207.173.117.242.1147887899.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B6217.4070406@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Incredimail users? From: karlp@ourldsfamily.com To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Cc: "Majordomo Users" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200605/18 X-Sequence-Number: 5446 On Wed, May 17, 2006 11:49 am, Roger B.A. Klorese said: > karlp@ourldsfamily.com wrote: >> That's the first thing I checked. It has both. I did notice, however, that >> the >> text portion is before the HTML portion, and I think that's backwards of >> other >> mailers... I'll have to do a bit of testing. >> > > > What are you using to do the stripping -- an MJ patch? Stripmime? > Altermime? Mimedefang? > I use an MJ patch and the html_policy = strip is in the grpname.config file. I've been on 1.94.5 so long, I don't even remember where I got the patch. Dan told me about it years ago. Karl From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 11:07:29 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E138629003F for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.7.106] (c-67-168-99-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.168.99.147]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2ED74812; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <446B6670.3090604@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:07:44 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: karlp@ourldsfamily.com Cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Incredimail users? References: <36732.207.173.117.242.1147884601.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B5E6E.9010104@queernet.org> <36986.207.173.117.242.1147887899.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B6217.4070406@queernet.org> <37016.207.173.117.242.1147888279.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <37016.207.173.117.242.1147888279.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/19 X-Sequence-Number: 5447 karlp@ourldsfamily.com wrote: > I use an MJ patch and the html_policy = strip is in the grpname.config file. > Does it have an option to render it to plan text instead of stripping it? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 11:14:18 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from moroni.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B12619C3F8 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ourldsfamily.com (eth1 [172.20.20.2]) by moroni.ourldsfamily.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k4HIEEOm032196; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:14:14 -0600 Received: from ats ([207.173.117.242]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37088.207.173.117.242.1147889654.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <446B6670.3090604@queernet.org> References: <36732.207.173.117.242.1147884601.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B5E6E.9010104@queernet.org> <36986.207.173.117.242.1147887899.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B6217.4070406@queernet.org> <37016.207.173.117.242.1147888279.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B6670.3090604@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Incredimail users? From: karlp@ourldsfamily.com To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Cc: "Majordomo Users" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200605/20 X-Sequence-Number: 5448 On Wed, May 17, 2006 12:07 pm, Roger B.A. Klorese said: > karlp@ourldsfamily.com wrote: >> I use an MJ patch and the html_policy = strip is in the grpname.config file. >> > > > Does it have an option to render it to plan text instead of stripping it? > # html_policy [enum] (strip) /pass;return;strip/ # How should postings that contain HTML be handled? If set to # 'pass' (default) they are passed unchanged. If set to 'return', # they will be returned to the sender with a short nore that this # list accepts no HTML-formatted messages. If set to 'strip', they # will be stripped to plain text, and pass. If you want all MIME # stuff to be flattened, consider using demime. # (http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html) instead. html_policy = strip Nope, doesn't look like it, per se, but that's what strip is supposed to do, unless the above paragraph is incorrect. Karl From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 11:22:18 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04FA3290066 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.7.106] (c-67-168-99-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.168.99.147]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EAA7436D; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <446B69EC.5050205@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:22:36 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: karlp@ourldsfamily.com Cc: Majordomo Users Subject: Re: Incredimail users? References: <36732.207.173.117.242.1147884601.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B5E6E.9010104@queernet.org> <36986.207.173.117.242.1147887899.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B6217.4070406@queernet.org> <37016.207.173.117.242.1147888279.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B6670.3090604@queernet.org> <37088.207.173.117.242.1147889654.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <37088.207.173.117.242.1147889654.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/21 X-Sequence-Number: 5449 karlp@ourldsfamily.com wrote: > Nope, doesn't look like it, per se, but that's what strip is supposed to do, > unless the above paragraph is incorrect. > Not incorrect - just loosely written. I'm pretty sure it deletes the HTML section and leaves the plain text -- and, apparently, gets confused by the order. I was asking if it did what Mj2 does, where you can explicitly tell it to format any HTML into plain text. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 11:36:38 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from moroni.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5BD19C5C7 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ourldsfamily.com (eth1 [172.20.20.2]) by moroni.ourldsfamily.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k4HIaXOm005687; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:36:33 -0600 Received: from ats ([207.173.117.242]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37266.207.173.117.242.1147890993.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <446B69EC.5050205@queernet.org> References: <36732.207.173.117.242.1147884601.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B5E6E.9010104@queernet.org> <36986.207.173.117.242.1147887899.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B6217.4070406@queernet.org> <37016.207.173.117.242.1147888279.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B6670.3090604@queernet.org> <37088.207.173.117.242.1147889654.squirrel@ourldsfamily.com> <446B69EC.5050205@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Incredimail users? From: karlp@ourldsfamily.com To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" Cc: "Majordomo Users" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200605/22 X-Sequence-Number: 5450 On Wed, May 17, 2006 12:22 pm, Roger B.A. Klorese said: > karlp@ourldsfamily.com wrote: >> Nope, doesn't look like it, per se, but that's what strip is supposed to do, >> unless the above paragraph is incorrect. >> > > > Not incorrect - just loosely written. I'm pretty sure it deletes the > HTML section and leaves the plain text -- and, apparently, gets confused > by the order. I was asking if it did what Mj2 does, where you can > explicitly tell it to format any HTML into plain text. > I've been intrigued by MJ2, but just don't want to bite off that much, especially on a project that isn't 'finished' or so they say, though I know many are using it without any apparent issues. Also, I've done so much customization of my installation--more in peripheral features than product work--that I hate to think about the effort involved to get everything up and working with MJ2. Karl From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 12:55:14 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4319A19C467 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magnum.sonny.com (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by magnia.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0IZF0062KDH846@magnia.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:43:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:56:20 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Recipeint command??? In-reply-to: <001201c679c9$6ded6660$6600a8c0@pastorbill> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <1147895780.4797.43.camel@magnum.sonny.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <001201c679c9$6ded6660$6600a8c0@pastorbill> X-Archive-Number: 200605/23 X-Sequence-Number: 5451 This question gets asked frequently (without majorcool), and to the best of my knowledge, the answer is still the same. There are no plans for this feature in majordomo version 1.x.x, or any middleware wedges to solve the problem between majordomo sending one message with all the addresses to the MTA for delivery, and recipients seeing their address somewhere in the headers or message body. A solution, is to put a script or program between majordomo and your MTA to create individual messages to each list member out of the one message generated by majordomo. It would be the responsibility of this tool to append a MIME or text footer to the message body with the single address of the new recipient of each message. It would not be in compliance with RFCs or appropriate from the author's perspective to modify the To: address, as the message author does not write to every list subscriber, but to the list address itself. Maybe someone else on this list can confirm or advise whether majordomo II can do this. Dan Liston On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 11:49 -0400, md@tagderry.com wrote: > I am using MajorCool version 1.3.2, the compatible version of MajorDomo from > that era of the MajorCool version (not sure) and perl 4. > > I know I can set it up to have the sender's email address appear in the > header, footer or body of the email sent through the list by using the > [$SENDER] command. Is it possible to use a command similar to that to have > the recipients "subscribed as" email appear? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 13:40:13 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC90629003B for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 13:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.7.106] (c-67-168-99-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.168.99.147]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361B4734C3; Wed, 17 May 2006 13:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <446B8A52.6010708@queernet.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:40:50 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Liston Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Recipeint command??? References: <001201c679c9$6ded6660$6600a8c0@pastorbill> <1147895780.4797.43.camel@magnum.sonny.com> In-Reply-To: <1147895780.4797.43.camel@magnum.sonny.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/24 X-Sequence-Number: 5452 Daniel Liston wrote: > Maybe someone else on this list can confirm or advise > whether majordomo II can do this. > Yes, Mj2 can do personalized delivery. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 17 22:46:11 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp (msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp [133.40.94.201]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFB1290049 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 22:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nrose1p (nrose1-p [133.40.94.135]) by msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id k4I5jlT0004810; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:45:49 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <00f601c67a3e$53428ff0$875e2885@nrose1p> From: "Masaaki OYA" To: "Joe R. Jah" Cc: References: Subject: Re: New question (exchenge to addressee of BOUNCE-mail) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:45:51 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-2022-jp"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp X-Archive-Number: 200605/25 X-Sequence-Number: 5453 Dear Joe R. Jah I'm Masaaki OYA. Thank you very much. I added next patch to Majordomo 1.94.5, and I confirmed that a bounce-mail sended to sender. And I have another question. I have many lists. Almost all list used sequencer(subject_prefix), not resend.. In this case, How do I do? > ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config_parse.pl-resend.3 Best Regards, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobeyama Radio Observatory, in Japan Computer Support Team Masaaki Oya Tel. 81-267-98-4337 (NRO-SE-room) Fax. 81-267-98-2093 　( 　,,　 ) E-mail oya@nro.nao.ac.jp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu May 18 12:39:47 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (unknown [147.144.1.212]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2BB21BD77 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jjah@localhost) by cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k4IJdtv18890; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Masaaki OYA Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: New question (exchenge to addressee of BOUNCE-mail) In-Reply-To: <00f601c67a3e$53428ff0$875e2885@nrose1p> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN X-Archive-Number: 200605/26 X-Sequence-Number: 5454 On Thu, 18 May 2006, Masaaki OYA wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:45:51 +0900 > From: Masaaki OYA > To: Joe R. Jah > Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: New question (exchenge to addressee of BOUNCE-mail) > > Dear Joe R. Jah > > I'm Masaaki OYA. Thank you very much. > I added next patch to Majordomo 1.94.5, and I confirmed that a bounce-mail > sended to sender. And I have another question. I have many lists. Almost all > list used sequencer(subject_prefix), not resend.. In this case, How do I do? Either switch back to resend, or if you can program in perl, import the relevant parts of the patch to sequencer script. > > ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config_parse.pl-resend.3 > > Best Regards, > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nobeyama Radio Observatory, in Japan > Computer Support Team Masaaki Oya > Tel. 81-267-98-4337 (NRO-SE-room) > Fax. 81-267-98-2093 　( 　,,　 ) > E-mail oya@nro.nao.ac.jp > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Thu May 18 22:29:02 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp (msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp [133.40.94.201]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59FC21BD7E for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nrose1p (nrose1-p [133.40.94.135]) by msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id k4J5TNT0015235; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:29:25 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <01e901c67b05$35252ec0$875e2885@nrose1p> From: "Masaaki OYA" To: "Joe R. Jah" Cc: References: Subject: Re: New question (exchenge to addressee of BOUNCE-mail) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:29:31 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-2022-jp"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp X-Archive-Number: 200605/27 X-Sequence-Number: 5455 Dear Joe R. Jah I'm Masaaki OYA. Thank you very much. I solved a problem. I imported the relevant parts of the patch to sequencer. And I confirmed that a bounce-mail sended to sender and ML-owner. > Either switch back to resend, or if you can program in perl, import the > relevant parts of the patch to sequencer script. > >> > ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config_parse.pl-resend.3 Best Regards, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobeyama Radio Observatory, in Japan Computer Support Team Masaaki Oya Tel. 81-267-98-4337 (NRO-SE-room) Fax. 81-267-98-2093 　( 　,,　 ) E-mail oya@nro.nao.ac.jp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri May 19 00:43:04 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 19 May 2006 00:43:04 PDT Received: from web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.71]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5545121BD78 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 00:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 96074 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2006 07:36:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uXDFDNpQKQmQeI1i6N+2WSUItoM5Fpd3dvXdcmAK44Bxm5jiGHCDiI03KXHhmrsRbSz/AiCquyTfQpv4J4thCwH6aWxJZdOokJkTQoLUrl2jGZjitKDZNQ29V8Z9K72j5+0xG01ZXvjyDV6XeN2rH0RMDdQyZT8hBUC6rjBIbu8= ; Message-ID: <20060519073658.96072.qmail@web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [89.54.55.135] by web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 08:36:58 BST Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 08:36:58 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Sahrendt Subject: Re: Incredimail users? To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/28 X-Sequence-Number: 5456 hi! I use StripMime (available at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html). It's easy to set up, very handy and it converts HTML only e-mails to plain text e-mails. I only have two problems with it so far: 1. It isn't able to convert HTML only e-mails to plain text e-mails if the encoding is something else than us-ascii. (Major drawback for use in non-english lists.) 2. It doesn't detect uu-encoded files that are sent inline. Some of my users have PegasusMail and use uu-encoding/embedding inline without a proper multipart header. > They send HTML/MIME email, but others do that > too. I have html_policy = strip so my archives > aren't hammered. I'm not going to turn that > off, else my archives are worthless. cu, Tom Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri May 19 09:04:02 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A7121BD82 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (father-g.sonny.com [192.168.1.178]) by magnia.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0IZI0090PS34JF@magnia.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:52:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:04:00 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: New question (exchenge to addressee of BOUNCE-mail) In-reply-to: <01e901c67b05$35252ec0$875e2885@nrose1p> To: Masaaki OYA , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <446DEC70.8090709@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <01e901c67b05$35252ec0$875e2885@nrose1p> X-Archive-Number: 200605/29 X-Sequence-Number: 5457 Mr. OYA, Could you please provide for the majordomo-users a unix diff -biu of the original majordomo sequencer and your new sequencer code? The arguments provided will ignore changes in white space, ignore case, and output a unified format file that can be used for others to "patch" their sequencer files. Thank you, Dan Liston Masaaki OYA wrote: > Dear Joe R. Jah > > I'm Masaaki OYA. Thank you very much. I solved a problem. > I imported the relevant parts of the patch to sequencer. And I confirmed > that a bounce-mail sended to sender and ML-owner. > >> Either switch back to resend, or if you can program in perl, import the >> relevant parts of the patch to sequencer script. >> >>> > ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config_parse.pl-resend.3 From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon May 22 16:57:26 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp (msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp [133.40.94.201]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544D221BD54 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nrose1p (nrose1-p [133.40.94.135]) by msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id k4MNvNT0000440; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:57:26 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <02df01c67dfb$75c42550$875e2885@nrose1p> From: "Masaaki OYA" To: "Daniel Liston" , Subject: Re: New question (exchenge to addressee of BOUNCE-mail) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:57:17 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-2022-jp"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on msv1u.nro.nao.ac.jp X-Archive-Number: 200605/30 X-Sequence-Number: 5458 Dear Daniel Liston, I'm Oya. Yesterday, I sent a mail to Mr. Liston and majordomo-users. Could you recieve? I don't recieve a mail from majordomo-users, yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Masaaki OYA" To: "Daniel Liston" ; Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: Re: New question (exchenge to addressee of BOUNCE-mail) > Dear Daniel Liston, > > I'm Oya. I send a new-sequencer file, that I modified and the result. > First of all, I modified next 4 files. I refered URL that Mr.Jah showed. > config_parse.pl, majordomo.cf, resend, sequencer > Next, I renewed a *.config in test ml(compadm1). > writeconfig > (non_member_bounce = sender) > > > #!/usr/local/bin/perl (folowing deleted) Best Regards, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobeyama Radio Observatory, in Japan Computer Support Team Masaaki Oya Tel. 81-267-98-4337 (NRO-SE-room) Fax. 81-267-98-2093 　( 　,,　 ) E-mail oya@nro.nao.ac.jp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon May 22 18:46:46 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 562 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:46:45 PDT Received: from pox.towerravens.com (towerravens.com [166.70.52.212]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961BE19C4EE for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pox.towerravens.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pox.towerravens.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4N1bZOL001689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:37:35 -0600 Received: (from mike@localhost) by pox.towerravens.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k4N1bYAS001688 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:37:34 -0600 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:37:34 -0600 From: Michael Wilkinson To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Majordomo spam problem Message-ID: <20060523013734.GA1527@pox.towerravens.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Archive-Number: 200605/31 X-Sequence-Number: 5459 I've been a LONG time user/admin of majordomo, and I've recently experienced something I'm not sure what to do about or how to combat. I'm using majordomo 1.94.5, and sendmail 8.13.4, somehow evil spammers used my majordomo mail alias to relay spam through my sendmail server. It was a mess, I had to clean out my domain/ip from some blackhole lists. I picked up on it because I got quite a few majordomo abort messages. I've been trying to dissect how they used it exactly, unfortunately, I don't have my sendmail logs for that time period anymore. I was able to stop it by commenting my majordomo mail alias out of my aliases file. I was wondering if any here has seen anything like this, and if so, how I may prevent the problem in the future. Thanks! -Mike -- Michael Wilkinson Game Designer There are 10 kinds of people in this world, Tower Ravens LLC those who understand binary and those who don't. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon May 22 21:27:32 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from moroni.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E0F21BD62 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.ourldsfamily.com (eth1 [172.20.20.2]) by moroni.ourldsfamily.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k4N4RYeb031016; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:27:34 -0600 Received: from ourldsfamily.com ([198.60.114.90]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by webmail.ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <14666.198.60.114.90.1148358455.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <20060523013734.GA1527@pox.towerravens.com> References: <20060523013734.GA1527@pox.towerravens.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Majordomo spam problem From: karlp@ourldsfamily.com To: "Michael Wilkinson" Cc: "Majordomo Users" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200605/32 X-Sequence-Number: 5460 If you get some great responses, please post them to the list. I've got fears along those lines, but haven't seen what you've seen (yet X-fingers). Also, could you post the steps you used to determine what had happened and then how you stopped the invasion. Thanks, Karl On Mon, May 22, 2006 7:37 pm, Michael Wilkinson said: > I've been a LONG time user/admin of majordomo, and I've recently > experienced something I'm not sure what to do about or how to > combat. > > I'm using majordomo 1.94.5, and sendmail 8.13.4, somehow evil spammers > used my majordomo mail alias to relay spam through my sendmail server. > It was a mess, I had to clean out my domain/ip from some blackhole > lists. > > I picked up on it because I got quite a few majordomo abort messages. > I've been trying to dissect how they used it exactly, unfortunately, > I don't have my sendmail logs for that time period anymore. > > I was able to stop it by commenting my majordomo mail alias out of > my aliases file. I was wondering if any here has seen anything like > this, and if so, how I may prevent the problem in the future. > > Thanks! > -Mike > > -- > Michael Wilkinson > Game Designer There are 10 kinds of people in this world, > Tower Ravens LLC those who understand binary and those who don't. > -- karl _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ____________ _-\<._ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ (_)/ (_) _/ _/ _/ _/ ...................... _/ _/ arl _/_/_/ _/ earson KarlP@ourldsfamily.com --- Senior Consulting Sys/DB Analyst http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com --- My Thoughts on Terrorism In America right after 9/11/2001: http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml --- A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you. -Ramsey Clark --- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon May 22 22:49:07 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E2521BD71 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDS.esson.net (eds.wrenkasky.com [10.10.10.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by wrenkasky.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N5n471032763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:49:09 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522223801.022d78f0@esson.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:49:02 -0700 To: Michael Wilkinson From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: Majordomo spam problem Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <20060523013734.GA1527@pox.towerravens.com> References: <20060523013734.GA1527@pox.towerravens.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_231004577==.ALT" Received-SPF: pass (wrenkasky.com: 10.10.10.11 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1478/Mon May 22 14:01:38 2006 on yoda2.wrenkasky.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archive-Number: 200605/33 X-Sequence-Number: 5461 --=====================_231004577==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I would start by locking down my sendmail configuration. See: http://www.sendmail.org/m4/anti_spam.html I use a combination of relay features, access.db and smtp auth to prevent unauthorized relaying. I also run local dns and added Sender Policy Framework http://www.openspf.org/ "SPF fights return-path address forgery and makes it easier to identify spoofs. Domain owners identify sending mail servers in DNS. SMTP receivers verify the envelope sender address against this information, and can distinguish authentic messages from forgeries before any message data is transmitted. " Ed At 06:37 PM Monday, 5/22/2006, Michael Wilkinson wrote -=> >I've been a LONG time user/admin of majordomo, and I've recently >experienced something I'm not sure what to do about or how to >combat. > >I'm using majordomo 1.94.5, and sendmail 8.13.4, somehow evil spammers >used my majordomo mail alias to relay spam through my sendmail server. >It was a mess, I had to clean out my domain/ip from some blackhole >lists. > >I picked up on it because I got quite a few majordomo abort messages. >I've been trying to dissect how they used it exactly, unfortunately, >I don't have my sendmail logs for that time period anymore. > >I was able to stop it by commenting my majordomo mail alias out of >my aliases file. I was wondering if any here has seen anything like >this, and if so, how I may prevent the problem in the future. > >Thanks! >-Mike > >-- >Michael Wilkinson >Game Designer There are 10 kinds of people in this world, >Tower Ravens LLC those who understand binary and those who don't. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Randomly Generated Quote (890 of 1052): The washing machine in my head is on spin cycle. --=====================_231004577==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I would start by locking down my sendmail configuration.  See: http://www.sendmail.org/m4/anti_spam.html

I use a combination of relay features, access.db and smtp auth to prevent unauthorized relaying.

I also run local dns and added Sender Policy Framework http://www.openspf.org/

"SPF fights return-path address forgery and makes it easier to identify spoofs.  Domain owners identify sending mail servers in DNS.  SMTP receivers verify the envelope sender address against this information, and can distinguish authentic messages from forgeries before any message data is transmitted. " 

Ed

At 06:37 PM Monday, 5/22/2006, Michael Wilkinson wrote -=>
I've been a LONG time user/admin of majordomo, and I've recently
experienced something I'm not sure what to do about or how to
combat.

I'm using majordomo 1.94.5, and sendmail 8.13.4, somehow evil spammers
used my majordomo mail alias to relay spam through my sendmail server.
It was a mess, I had to clean out my domain/ip from some blackhole
lists.

I picked up on it because I got quite a few majordomo abort messages.
I've been trying to dissect how they used it exactly, unfortunately,
I don't have my sendmail logs for that time period anymore.

I was able to stop it by commenting my majordomo mail alias out of
my aliases file. I was wondering if any here has seen anything like
this, and if so, how I may prevent the problem in the future.

Thanks!
-Mike

--
Michael Wilkinson
Game Designer              There are 10 kinds of people in this world,
Tower Ravens LLC           those who understand binary and those who don't.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Randomly Generated Quote (890 of 1052):
The washing machine in my head is on spin cycle.
--=====================_231004577==.ALT-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon May 22 23:41:30 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E979819C3A0 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by magnia.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0IZP0042KHAO82@magnia.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 23 May 2006 01:42:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [67.111.228.162] by magnia.sonny.com (mshttpd); Tue, 23 May 2006 01:42:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 01:42:24 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Majordomo spam problem To: Michael Wilkinson Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <244b0aac20b7bf38.20b7bf38244b0aac@sonny.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en X-Archive-Number: 200605/34 X-Sequence-Number: 5462 1. Make sure your sendmail installation is utilizing all available anti-spam, anti-virus, anti-spoof measures. (Greylist milter, RBL, SPF, clamAV, etc.) 2. Hide the name of your -outgoing alias from the outside world by adding ,nobody to the alias. 3. Prevent use of the -outgoing alias from outside your own system by blocking it at the virtusertable file. 4. Only allow zubscribed members to post to your lists. 5. Do NOT bounce messages once you have accepted them. If majordomo tries to bounce (and send the help file) to forged addresses, these messages can technically be considered spam. 6. Add SPF to your DNS to aid forgery prevention for your domain's real mail. Long day travelling, 14 hours of D&P Tue, and all day travelling again Wed. If I think of more later in the week I will post it. Dan Liston ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Wilkinson Date: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:37 pm Subject: Majordomo spam problem > I've been a LONG time user/admin of majordomo, and I've recently > experienced something I'm not sure what to do about or how to > combat. > > I'm using majordomo 1.94.5, and sendmail 8.13.4, somehow evil spammers > used my majordomo mail alias to relay spam through my sendmail server. > It was a mess, I had to clean out my domain/ip from some blackhole > lists. > > I picked up on it because I got quite a few majordomo abort messages. > I've been trying to dissect how they used it exactly, unfortunately, > I don't have my sendmail logs for that time period anymore. > > I was able to stop it by commenting my majordomo mail alias out of > my aliases file. I was wondering if any here has seen anything like > this, and if so, how I may prevent the problem in the future. > > Thanks! > -Mike > > -- > Michael Wilkinson > Game Designer There are 10 kinds of people in this world, > Tower Ravens LLC those who understand binary and those > who don't. > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue May 23 10:29:06 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 374 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:29:05 PDT Received: from saturn.syslang.net (saturn.syslang.net [207.172.210.41]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809C921BD88 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saturn.syslang.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by saturn.syslang.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4NHMmAl005382; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:22:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (steveo@localhost) by saturn.syslang.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k4NHMmI6005377; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:22:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven W. Orr" To: Michael Wilkinson Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo spam problem In-Reply-To: <20060523013734.GA1527@pox.towerravens.com> Message-ID: References: <20060523013734.GA1527@pox.towerravens.com> Organization: SysLang MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200605/35 X-Sequence-Number: 5463 On Monday, May 22nd 2006 at 19:37 -0600, quoth Michael Wilkinson: =>I've been a LONG time user/admin of majordomo, and I've recently =>experienced something I'm not sure what to do about or how to =>combat. => =>I'm using majordomo 1.94.5, and sendmail 8.13.4, somehow evil spammers =>used my majordomo mail alias to relay spam through my sendmail server. =>It was a mess, I had to clean out my domain/ip from some blackhole =>lists. => =>I picked up on it because I got quite a few majordomo abort messages. =>I've been trying to dissect how they used it exactly, unfortunately, =>I don't have my sendmail logs for that time period anymore. => =>I was able to stop it by commenting my majordomo mail alias out of =>my aliases file. I was wondering if any here has seen anything like =>this, and if so, how I may prevent the problem in the future. => =>Thanks! =>-Mike Other people are giving you answers that relate to controlling relay problems and general tightening up of the sendmail config. The most obvious answer is to not allow any postings to your lists unless the poster is a subscriber to that list. -- steveo at syslang dot net TMMP1 http://frambors.syslang.net/ Do you have neighbors who are not frambors? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue May 23 10:34:19 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [64.62.161.194]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22C721BD94 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.7.106] (c-67-168-99-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.168.99.147]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8608C73712; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4473479E.2000309@queernet.org> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:34:22 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven W. Orr" Cc: Michael Wilkinson , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo spam problem References: <20060523013734.GA1527@pox.towerravens.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/36 X-Sequence-Number: 5464 Steven W. Orr wrote: > Other people are giving you answers that relate to controlling relay > problems and general tightening up of the sendmail config. The most > obvious answer is to not allow any postings to your lists unless the > poster is a subscriber to that list. > > I read the message as meaning that somehow his Majordomo installation was being used to proxy spam yo random addresses, not just ot his list's subscribers. Perhaps a clarification is in order. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed May 24 09:46:44 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 61 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:46:43 PDT Received: from prism.spectrum-systems.com (prism.spectrum-systems.com [66.107.116.87]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEC321BD5E for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:46:43 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Majordomo spam problem Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:46:38 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Majordomo spam problem Thread-Index: AcZ/UaAHRhN8c9N6T224frdEqKFgdQ== From: "Tom McHugh" To: X-Archive-Number: 200605/37 X-Sequence-Number: 5465 I happen to be fighting the same problem as a result of someone sending to the -outgoing form of a list, and saw Dan's suggestion about it: > 3. Prevent use of the -outgoing alias from outside your own system by blocking it at the virtusertable file. I've been trying to use this, seeing it as the simplest approach to the problem, or so I thought. What I'm finding is that majordomo's resend program appears to forward the message to listname-outgoing@localhost, but that sendmail receives it and rewrites it to "listname-outgoing@listserv.domain.name" before the virtusertable is checked, resulting in the message being bounced. The server is Red Hat Enterprise Linux v4, running sendmail 8.13.1-3.RHEL4.3 . Anyone have any pointers? I've been trying to hack the sendmail rules without any success, trying to figure out where to put a sequence of rules like this: C{spectest1}spectrum-test1 spectrum-test1-announce F{listserv}listserv.domain.name # #spectest1 - testing majordomo rewrites for .incl abuse prevention R$=3D{spectest1} . outgoing < @ localhost > $* $1 < . incl > # catch & save @localhost R$=3D{spectest1} . outgoing $1 < . incl > R$=3D{spectest1} . outgoing < @ $=3D{w} > $* $1 < @ ${listserv} > $3 R$=3D{spectest1} < . incl > $* $1 . outgoing < @ ${listserv} > $2 Since the '.' is a special character in sendmail's rules, I've been using it as the "outgoing" separator so I can get a proper handle on it. So I try to "save" the outgoing form into the ".incl" form if it is in the form "listname.outgoing@localhost" . Then I check for mail sent to "listname.outgoing@listserv.domain.name" , figuring that it is not properly addressed, and rewrite it to "listname@listserv.domain.name" so that Majordomo can run its regular checks on the list. Then I recover the "listname.outgoing@ ..." form from its ".incl" storage area. So, is this a dumb approach, and am I missing a one-line fix somewhere? Thanks! -Tom -- Tom McHugh, Senior Systems Engineer mailto:Tom.McHugh@Spectrum-Systems.com Spectrum Systems, Inc. "Today's Technology--Solutions for Tomorrow" 11320 Random Hills Road, Suite 630 Fairfax, VA 22030-6001 703-591-7400 x218 703-591-9780 (Fax) http://www.spectrum-systems.com/ With ease and speed! Spectrum provides full-service solutions that support the entire software development lifecycle - call us at 800-929-3781 or visit us at http://www.spectrum-systems.com to learn more. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri May 26 05:03:44 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com X-Greylist: delayed 71 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:03:43 PDT Received: from vmx15.multikabel.net (vmx15.multikabel.net [212.127.254.144]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F8929004A for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vmx70.multikabel.net ([212.127.254.142]) by vmx15.multikabel.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Fjb1Q-0000qO-V0 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:02:29 +0200 Received: from wjvmfnt01 (213-73-203-198.cable.quicknet.nl [213.73.203.198]) by vmx70.multikabel.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4QC2EnL018984 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:02:20 +0200 Message-Id: <200605261202.k4QC2EnL018984@vmx70.multikabel.net> From: "Willem-Jan Vroom" To: Subject: How to get rid of 'BOUNCE : Non-member submission from' Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:05:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-index: AcaAvJ5srU/cFR7KTO6MQCAD46W0Bg== X-MultiKabel-MailScanner-Information: Please contact helpdesk@quicknet.nl for more information X-MultiKabel-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MultiKabel-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam X-MultiKabel-MX-MailScanner-Information: Please contact helpdesk@quicknet.nl for more information X-MultiKabel-MX-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MultiKabel-MX-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: w.vroom@hccnet.nl X-Archive-Number: 200605/38 X-Sequence-Number: 5466 Hello, I a using a Majordomo mailinglist at my hostingprovider. Now, if somebody sents a message to the mailinglist who is not subscribed, I receive a BOUNCE message. Now, I do not want to receive such a message or that such a message is sent. How do I get rid of them? Of course I can use procmail to delete messages but my current hosting provider does not support procmail. Any help is appreciated. With kind regards, Willem-Jan From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri May 26 10:34:48 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from vmx55.multikabel.net (vmx55.multikabel.net [212.127.254.145]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C31A21BD6D for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vmx80.multikabel.net ([212.127.254.143]) by vmx55.multikabel.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FjgCu-00085m-0U for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:34:40 +0200 Received: from wjvmfnt01 (213-73-203-198.cable.quicknet.nl [213.73.203.198]) by vmx80.multikabel.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4QHYN7k013205 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:34:29 +0200 Message-Id: <200605261734.k4QHYN7k013205@vmx80.multikabel.net> From: "Willem-Jan Vroom" To: Subject: Re: How to get rid of 'BOUNCE : Non-member submission from' Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:37:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C680FB.CDE0B480" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-index: AcaAzmVu4Hfxa6cjSbODjtxSq5MchgAHFsog In-Reply-To: X-MultiKabel-MailScanner-Information: Please contact helpdesk@quicknet.nl for more information X-MultiKabel-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MultiKabel-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam X-MultiKabel-MX-MailScanner-Information: Please contact helpdesk@quicknet.nl for more information X-MultiKabel-MX-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MultiKabel-MX-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: w.vroom@hccnet.nl X-Archive-Number: 200605/39 X-Sequence-Number: 5467 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C680FB.CDE0B480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Paresh, Thanks for your reply. What I would like to achieve is that I do not recieve any of that kind of mails. Is it possible to enable a rule that that kind of mails are not being send? With kind regards, Willem-Jan Vroom _____ Van: Paresh Jain [mailto:pareshpuja@hotmail.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 26 mei 2006 16:12 Aan: w.vroom@hccnet.nl Onderwerp: RE: How to get rid of 'BOUNCE : Non-member submission from' Hi, I guess your concern is if anybody sends mail to the mailing list that should not go through. Your hosting provider can have a check on that . What it means is if the mail is not sent by any approved e-mail id than it will not go through. In this case you will get message something like non-member submission Thanks Paresh _____ From: "Willem-Jan Vroom" To: Subject: How to get rid of 'BOUNCE : Non-member submission from' Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:05:02 +0200 >Hello, > >I a using a Majordomo mailinglist at my hostingprovider. > >Now, if somebody sents a message to the mailinglist who is not subscribed, I >receive a BOUNCE message. Now, I do not want to receive such a message or >that such a message is sent. How do I get rid of them? > >Of course I can use procmail to delete messages but my current hosting >provider does not support procmail. > >Any help is appreciated. > >With kind regards, >Willem-Jan > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C680FB.CDE0B480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Paresh,
 
Thanks for your reply. What I would like to achi= eve is=20 that I do not recieve any of that kind of mails. Is it possible to enable a= rule=20 that that kind of mails are not being send?
 
With kind regards,
Willem-Jan Vroom

Van: Paresh Jain=20 [mailto:pareshpuja@hotmail.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 26 mei 2006= =20 16:12
Aan: w.vroom@hccnet.nl
Onderwerp: RE: How to ge= t rid=20 of 'BOUNCE <listname>: Non-member submission from'

Hi,
     I guess your concern is if anybody sen= ds=20 mail to the mailing list that should not go through. Your hosting provide= r can=20 have a check on that . What it means is if the mail is not sent by any=20 approved e-mail id than it will not go through. In this case you will get= =20 message something like non-member submission

Thanks
Paresh

<= /DIV>
From:  "Willem-Jan Vroom"=20 <w.vroom@hccnet.nl>
To:  <majordomo-users@= greatcircle.com>
Subject:  How=20 to get rid of 'BOUNCE <listname>: Non-member submission=20 from'
Date:  Fri, 26 May 2006 14:05:02=20 +0200
>Hello,
>
>I a using a Majordomo mailinglis= t at=20 my hostingprovider.
>
>Now, if somebody sents a message to = the=20 mailinglist who is not subscribed, I
>receive a BOUNCE message. N= ow, I=20 do not want to receive such a message or
>that such a message is = sent.=20 How do I get rid of them?
>
>Of course I can use procmail t= o=20 delete messages but my current hosting
>provider does not support= =20 procmail.
>
>Any help is appreciated.
>
>With k= ind=20 regards,
>Willem-Jan
>
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C680FB.CDE0B480-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri May 26 11:05:57 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C797521BD51 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (father-g.sonny.com [192.168.1.178]) by magnia.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0IZV0080HWXIL7@magnia.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:05:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:05:59 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: How to get rid of 'BOUNCE : Non-member submission In-reply-to: <200605261202.k4QC2EnL018984@vmx70.multikabel.net> To: Willem-Jan Vroom Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <44774387.2050208@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <200605261202.k4QC2EnL018984@vmx70.multikabel.net> X-Archive-Number: 200605/40 X-Sequence-Number: 5468 Consider this: ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/00INDEX specifically the config_parse.pl-resend.3 (F+R) Bounces non-member messages to sender|owner|both|no_one which can actually be downloaded at ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config_parse.pl-resend.3 Your hosting provider will have to apply the patch, taking into consideration all the other list-owners that may NOT feel the same way you do about non-member bounce messages. It is up to you to convince them, or change your hosting provider. Dan Liston Willem-Jan Vroom wrote: > Hello, > > I a using a Majordomo mailinglist at my hostingprovider. > > Now, if somebody sents a message to the mailinglist who is not subscribed, I > receive a BOUNCE message. Now, I do not want to receive such a message or > that such a message is sent. How do I get rid of them? > > Of course I can use procmail to delete messages but my current hosting > provider does not support procmail. > > Any help is appreciated. > > With kind regards, > Willem-Jan > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat May 27 00:11:08 2006 X-Original-To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Received: from web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.71]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 602E621BD4F for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1111 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2006 07:11:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pMrvV9GSv5b55xcBtCuYH2EEOyKK1vRDX/tCFBMUQbtcClLH7wAMLDjzn4hZBFumXPbsIwRp/0urLEHsFNXjGqlC7cl9SHXjuaHnOelrDS98C1IbtqPDModFwooUwPZy/zZgSLGAwuRQcLaknHV52P0DnYkkNZipX3jbyJ25hgE= ; Message-ID: <20060527071121.1109.qmail@web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [89.54.6.209] by web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:11:21 BST Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:11:21 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Sahrendt Subject: Re: How to get rid of 'BOUNCE : Non-member submission from' To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200605/41 X-Sequence-Number: 5469 Hi, Willem! > Is it possible to enable a rule that > that kind of mails are not being send? No, it's not except if you patch MD. If your MD hosting provider doesn't provide procmail, then set up an account on a system that does (e.g. cyberspace.org) and use this address as listowner address. All BOUNCE messages will then be sent to this address. I use the following procmail recipe to inform members that their e-mails have not been forwarded to other list members: :0 * ^Subject:.*LIST@DOMAIN.*\/[a-zA-Z0-9.-]+@+.*\/[a-zA-Z0-9.-] { REALFROM = $MATCH } :0 ac * ^TOLIST-approval@DOMAIN | ( formail -rI "To: $REALFROM" \ -I "Subject: LIST: Not subscribed"; \ cat $HOME/lists/LIST/notsubscribed.txt ) | \ $SENDMAIL -oi -t If you just don't want to see the BOUNCE message, set up filter rule on your account and delete them. You can filter by subject, so even if you don't have procmail on your account, you easily can discard those messages if you want to. I see the BOUNCE message as feature because it's entirely up to you what you want to do with it. cu, Tom ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html