From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Sep 9 02:44:30 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 6570 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 02:44:29 PDT Received: from kermit.lizardhill.com (kermit2.lizardhill.com [64.69.41.218]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8556ED809A for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 02:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip72-193-85-114.lv.lv.cox.net ([72.193.85.114] helo=mickey) by kermit.lizardhill.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IUHe3-000OQ3-5C for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 00:55:51 -0700 From: "Don O'Neil" To: Subject: Pretty html display of digests/archives Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 00:53:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c7f2b6$861d8640$0700020a@mickey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfytoWt5PLuy3H3SeKqyoyWcT1bRQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Archive-Number: 200709/1 X-Sequence-Number: 5635 Is there a tool/way to make pretty html displays of digest/archives similar to pipermail does like this: (text example of html output) Archive View by: Downloadable version September 2007: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 4 KB ] August 2007: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 17 KB ] July 2007: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 13 KB ] June 2007: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 38 KB ] May 2007: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 28 KB ] April 2007: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 8 KB ] March 2007: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 9 KB ] November 2006: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 4 KB ] October 2006: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 19 KB ] From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 10 06:08:26 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 1152 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:08:26 PDT Received: from mailsan.sqli.com (mail.sqli.com [81.80.42.206]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD65D809E for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.33.13.201] (helo=[10.33.13.201]) by mailsan.sqli.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1IUihV-0001AE-8b for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:49:13 +0200 Message-ID: <46E53D49.7070000@sqli.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:49:13 +0200 From: Francl Fabien User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060614) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Rights to write with a list Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010400050302030001080008" X-Archive-Number: 200709/2 X-Sequence-Number: 5636 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010400050302030001080008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, How can one warn a person whom it does not have the rights to write with a list Thank you. --------------010400050302030001080008 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="ffrancl.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ffrancl.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Fabien Francl n:Francl;Fabien org:SQLI;CRCI adr;quoted-printable: Ant=C3=A9lios - B=C3=A2t F - P=C3=B4les d'Aix les Milles;;75, Rue Marcellin Berthelot;AIX EN PROVENCE;;13858;FRANCE email;internet:ffrancl@sqli.com tel;work:04.42.37.10.95 tel;fax:04.42.37.10.81 version:2.1 end:vcard --------------010400050302030001080008-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 10 07:49:20 2007 Received: from yoda.wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4C619CDD9 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDS.esson.net (eds.wrenkasky.com [10.10.10.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by yoda.wrenkasky.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8AEnDcS000704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:49:18 -0700 Message-Id: <200709101449.l8AEnDcS000704@yoda.wrenkasky.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:49:20 -0700 To: Francl Fabien , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: Rights to write with a list In-Reply-To: <46E53D49.7070000@sqli.com> References: <46E53D49.7070000@sqli.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass (yoda.wrenkasky.com: 10.10.10.11 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Archive-Number: 200709/3 X-Sequence-Number: 5637 At 05:49 AM Monday, 9/10/2007, Francl Fabien wrote -=> >Hello, >How can one warn a person whom it does not have the rights to write >with a list >Thank you. If you mean to inform someone who attempts to post to a closed list to which they are not subscribed, take a look at the following in the list config: # non_member_bounce [enum] (sender) /;sender;sender-owner # One of four values: blank, sender, sender-owner or no_one. If # left blank the message is bounced to the list owner. Sender # allows the sender to be notified in addition to the owner # receiving the bounced message. Sender-owner causes the sender to # be notified, but not the owner. no_one should be self-expanatory non_member_bounce = Ed . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Randomly Generated Quote (908 of 1270): Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy. -H.L. Mencken, writer, editor, and critic (1880-1956) From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 10 09:47:50 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 3604 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:47:50 PDT Received: from ipex1.johnshopkins.edu (ipex1.johnshopkins.edu [162.129.8.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1105CD8157 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:47:49 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAP7m5EYKD0Uw/2dsb2JhbAAM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,231,1186372800"; d="scan'208";a="22951910" Received: from jhuadig.admin.jhu.edu (HELO cis27.hosts.jhmi.edu) ([10.15.69.48]) by ipex1.johnshopkins.edu with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 10 Sep 2007 09:43:48 -0400 Received: from Jhmipri-MTA by cis27.hosts.jhmi.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:43:45 -0400 Message-Id: <46E511C90200002B00015D06@cis27.hosts.jhmi.edu> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:43:37 -0400 From: "Qian Gao" To: Subject: How to unscript from majordomo-users? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Archive-Number: 200709/4 X-Sequence-Number: 5638 Hi, I want to unscript from majordomo? How to do it? Thanks Qian From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 10 13:21:41 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 3510 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:21:39 PDT Received: from saturn.syslang.net (saturn.syslang.net [207.172.210.41]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004D8D816B for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saturn.syslang.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by saturn.syslang.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8AJN6iZ020853; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:23:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (steveo@localhost) by saturn.syslang.net (8.13.8/8.13.7/Submit) with ESMTP id l8AJN6KQ020848; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:23:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven W. Orr" To: Qian Gao cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: How to unscript from majordomo-users? In-Reply-To: <46E511C90200002B00015D06@cis27.hosts.jhmi.edu> Message-ID: References: <46E511C90200002B00015D06@cis27.hosts.jhmi.edu> Organization: SysLang MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200709/5 X-Sequence-Number: 5639 On Monday, Sep 10th 2007 at 09:43 -0400, quoth Qian Gao: =>Hi, =>I want to unscript from majordomo? How to do it? => =>Thanks =>Qian => From: "Dr. Bryan Bledsoe" To: "prehospitalcare List Member"? Subject: [prehospitalcare] How To Remove Yourself From The List Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:55:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MDRemoteIP: 207.217.120.50 Sender: prehospitalcare@emsvillage.com X-Return-Path: prehospitalcare@emsvillage.com List-Unsubscribe: X-MDMailing-List: prehospitalcare@emsvillage.com X-MDSend-Notifications-To: prehospitalcare@emsvillage.com Reply-To: prehospitalcare@emsvillage.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: denis@world.std.com Phil: ? You are WRONG.? Here is how to unsubscribe from PREHOSPITALCARE@EMSVILLAGE.COM: How to unsubscribe (as you requested) First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing Kit. Then follow these directions. The kit will most likely be the standard no-fault type. Depending on requirements, System A and/or System B can be used. When operating System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by the large "X" outlet hose. Twist the silver- coloured ring one inch below the connection point until you feel it lock. The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is activated by the small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring back to its initial condition, so that the two orange lines meet. Disconnect. Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the rear. Activate by pressing the blue button. The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. The red release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into position; it can be adjusted manually up or down by pressing the blue manual release button. The opening is self-adjusting. To secure after use, press the green button, which simultaneously activates the evaporator and returns the Cin-Eliminator to its storage position. You may log off if the green exit light is on over the evaporator. If the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin-Eliminator requirements has not been properly implemented. Press the "List Guy" call button on the right of the evaporator. He will secure all facilities from his control panel. To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your clothes in the clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers located in the cabinet immediately below. Enter the shower, taking the entire kit with you. On the control panel to your upper right upon entering you will see a "Shower seal" button. Press to activate. A green light will then be illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the desired setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe normally. The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes unless you activate the "Manual off" override switch by flipping it up. When you are ready to leave, press the blue "Shower seal" release button. The door will open and you may leave. Please remove the velcro slippers and place them in their container. If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated blue button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A & B. The knob to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, low, medium or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested. After these settings have been made, you can activate the device by switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked red switch. If during the unsubscribing operation you wish to change the settings, place the "manual off" override switch in the "OFF" position. You may now make the change and repeat the cycle. When the green exit light goes on, you may log off and have lunch. Please close the door behind you. Bryan E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, Texas All outgoing email scanned by Norton Antivirus and guaranteed "virus free" or your money back. ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip L. Hayes To: prehospitalcare List Member Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: [prehospitalcare] How To Remove Yourself From The List Hi Everybody- To remove yourself from the list serv, simply follow the instructions at the bottom of every e-mail. Sending an unsubscribe or remove command to the list will not do it. Phil Hayes EMS Village Support -----Original Message----- From: prehospitalcare@emsvillage.com [mailto:prehospitalcare@emsvillage.com]On Behalf Merle Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:42 PM To: prehospitalcare List Member Subject: [prehospitalcare] remove please remove me from this list Mail List distributed by EMSVillage.com http://www.emsvillage.com ==============Made possible by our sponsors: Laerdal Medical Corp. http://www.laerdal.com Ferno, Inc. http://www.ferno.com ============== To unsubscribe from the Prehospitalcare Mail List: 1. Send an e-mail to listserv@emsvillage.com. 2. 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Include "UNSUBSCRIBE prehospitalcare@emsvillage.com" in the BODY of the message (without the quotes). -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0. happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0 Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000 individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 10 14:54:13 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 392 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:54:10 PDT Received: from nebulosa.pyxcom.com (nebulosa.pyxcom.com [200.94.104.221]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89690D8187 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Programas ([100.1.130.213]) by nebulosa.pyxcom.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ALkO0l019491 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:46:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200709102146.l8ALkO0l019491@nebulosa.pyxcom.com> Reply-To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ix=E1nar_Uriza_Soto?= To: Subject: Newbie - help Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:47:43 -0500 Organization: Corporativa de Fundaciones, A.C. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C7F3CA.4FD39C40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfz9DfLsglWAj6BQZ2qQnrS21x8RQ== X-Archive-Number: 200709/6 X-Sequence-Number: 5640 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C7F3CA.4FD39C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, I=92m a Majordomo newbie. The program (v. 1.94.4) is hosted on my = ISP=92s server so I thought it could be an economic way to run a couple of mailing = lists for a better communication with our stakeholders. We=92re a non-profit = so price counts a lot, and we=92re not trying to sell or promote donation = with our emails. =20 I started with a few test lists, but the problems arised soon; the thing = is that I=92m using Outlook 2003 (win XP Pro), and apparently it=92s = imposible to add the approval header. Do you recomend trying with another email client? (Freeware is better) =20 Another problem is that we need to send a lot of emails to free = accounts; Hotmail and Gmail seems to go all right but yahoo keeps sending a =93too = many recipients=94 bounce. Can I solve this with Majordomo? Should I consider buying a list management software? Any suggestions? =20 Thanks in advance, ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C7F3CA.4FD39C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings,

I’m a Majordomo newbie. The program (v. = 1.94.4) is hosted on my ISP’s server so I thought it could be an economic way = to run a couple of mailing lists for a better communication with our = stakeholders. We’re a non-profit so price counts a lot, and we’re not trying to sell = or promote donation with our emails.

 

I started with a few test lists, but the = problems arised soon; the thing is that I’m using Outlook 2003 (win XP = Pro), and apparently it’s imposible to add the approval = header.

Do you recomend trying with another email = client? (Freeware is better)

 

Another problem is that we need to send a lot = of emails to free accounts; Hotmail and Gmail seems to go all right but = yahoo keeps sending a “too many recipients” bounce. Can I solve = this with Majordomo? Should I consider buying a list management software? Any suggestions?

 

Thanks in = advance,

------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C7F3CA.4FD39C40-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 11 11:21:31 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 551 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:21:31 PDT Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C0FD807D for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so616500wra for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:21:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=SGRsqu9fdspu0XmPx8HXDEyNIedk5PutV81v/BeUysI=; b=jZ+1XUJmnt4c1y+XCzELBwq70gy/POfmxvYsUenEPOUCi7D/G2i9ig4Rl26Ww/WDFf1PzJNMmxSid4KogeXugqqrfFcMJvuVGg+1ael/Ee3lswraOYsLMf+4Z81KIuocxOlQB6GowZONTA6o4u8ntJmdGKWcJ6Ma30fXIwmgmRg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bNsWymJM2fjuKM731TqAOoMpfYXBPn/Hsa/3j+SSef26uFRsS/tvHG6RB9szQPLbePBZbaRuCKgizRb9mzIW2gPJrduUj9mcAnEnNcB/rjbXIg8yMlLAIEGlmppo8mFjqKmM3ocim0n+Qz7goeyaBuagj5CSEngzsrI9quICCVQ= Received: by 10.78.123.5 with SMTP id v5mr1643216huc.1189534888521; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.47.18 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:21:28 -0800 From: "Jim Dory" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Rights to write with a list In-Reply-To: <200709101449.l8AEnDcS000704@yoda.wrenkasky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13870_28491768.1189534888512" References: <46E53D49.7070000@sqli.com> <200709101449.l8AEnDcS000704@yoda.wrenkasky.com> X-Archive-Number: 200709/7 X-Sequence-Number: 5641 ------=_Part_13870_28491768.1189534888512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline also, is it possible to add a config line that bounces back error messages to members? I don't see that in my config file and I googles member_bounce and found nothing. This would help me when members post a file that is too big or if they use the word help in their subject (which I suppose I could do away with that requirement if I could figure it out since people are searching for help in my list sometimes), or if they CC too many people. cheers, JD On 9/10/07, Ed Kasky wrote: > > At 05:49 AM Monday, 9/10/2007, Francl Fabien wrote -=> > >Hello, > >How can one warn a person whom it does not have the rights to write > >with a list > >Thank you. > > If you mean to inform someone who attempts to post to a closed list > to which they are not subscribed, take a > look at the following in the list config: > > # non_member_bounce [enum] (sender) > /;sender;sender-owner > # One of four values: blank, sender, sender-owner or no_one. If > # left blank the message is bounced to the list owner. Sender > # allows the sender to be notified in addition to the owner > # receiving the bounced message. Sender-owner causes the sender > to > # be notified, but not the owner. no_one should be > self-expanatory > non_member_bounce = > > ------=_Part_13870_28491768.1189534888512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline also, is it possible to add a config line that bounces back error messages to members? I don't see that in my config file and I googles member_bounce and found nothing. This would help me when members post a file that is too big or if they use the word help in their subject (which I suppose I could do away with that requirement if I could figure it out since people are searching for help in my list sometimes), or if they CC too many people.

cheers, JD

On 9/10/07, Ed Kasky <ed@esson.net> wrote:
At 05:49 AM Monday, 9/10/2007, Francl Fabien wrote -=>
>Hello,
>How can one warn a person whom it does not have the rights to write
>with a list
>Thank you.

If you mean to inform someone who attempts to post to a closed list
to which they are not subscribed, take a
look at the following in the list config:

         # non_member_bounce    [enum] (sender) <resend> /;sender;sender-owner
         # One of four values: blank, sender, sender-owner or no_one.  If
         # left  blank the message is bounced to the list owner.  Sender
         # allows the  sender to be notified in addition to the owner
         # receiving the bounced  message. Sender-owner causes the sender to
         # be notified, but not the  owner. no_one should be self-expanatory
non_member_bounce   =


------=_Part_13870_28491768.1189534888512-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 11 11:34:30 2007 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1BAD8083 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so619575wra for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:34:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=bWfhfeOpZJH+OEPkS3Dl65KNuVSuXuxzMXcmfe0Hh04=; b=BdN8Rcpe9jYniDqMWp5ntnnEl7KrxKAmXRdDoSmSNW+XWB/v+QNB5y98RM2xu5c5X7p9WPR/1YrXCb4MZcQwCSskXJexxALtxCMohv3YRiS8DS1KmtNqeH0NnO3G1dKLqlgbPY8BiK1bSe17wNVdZPR9SeLkLY7g//7OS/F4Jd0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kwrCtaM5MRzullubU66avrG2ag2erSWMuUkDUK+m9j+a8wfwIxwErb96Vkpej8/W9n8kvxI6SMHS9kSebbpFhnXOLTbNx3jZbngPT8IW/rkra3JZjBMhRmB4DdL5Qg5Iw9ztND8qSXA6vPesCWXTA13oJq16xqk5TSKIH+4L7a4= Received: by 10.78.177.3 with SMTP id z3mr2722311hue.1189533930864; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.47.18 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:05:30 -0800 From: "Jim Dory" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Rights to write with a list In-Reply-To: <200709101449.l8AEnDcS000704@yoda.wrenkasky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13730_32544955.1189533930858" References: <46E53D49.7070000@sqli.com> <200709101449.l8AEnDcS000704@yoda.wrenkasky.com> X-Archive-Number: 200709/8 X-Sequence-Number: 5642 ------=_Part_13730_32544955.1189533930858 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My list config does not have this in it. I suppose it would do no harm to just add it in maybe at some point alphabetically in the config file? Shouldn't matter what section (between the ENDs)? cheers, Jim On 9/10/07, Ed Kasky wrote: > > At 05:49 AM Monday, 9/10/2007, Francl Fabien wrote -=> > >Hello, > >How can one warn a person whom it does not have the rights to write > >with a list > >Thank you. > > If you mean to inform someone who attempts to post to a closed list > to which they are not subscribed, take a > look at the following in the list config: > > # non_member_bounce [enum] (sender) > /;sender;sender-owner > # One of four values: blank, sender, sender-owner or no_one. If > # left blank the message is bounced to the list owner. Sender > # allows the sender to be notified in addition to the owner > # receiving the bounced message. Sender-owner causes the sender > to > # be notified, but not the owner. no_one should be > self-expanatory > non_member_bounce = > > Ed > > ------=_Part_13730_32544955.1189533930858 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My list config does not have this in it. I suppose it would do no harm to just add it in maybe at some point alphabetically in the config file? Shouldn't matter what section (between the ENDs)?

cheers, Jim

On 9/10/07, Ed Kasky <ed@esson.net> wrote:
At 05:49 AM Monday, 9/10/2007, Francl Fabien wrote -=>
>Hello,
>How can one warn a person whom it does not have the rights to write
>with a list
>Thank you.

If you mean to inform someone who attempts to post to a closed list
to which they are not subscribed, take a
look at the following in the list config:

         # non_member_bounce    [enum] (sender) <resend> /;sender;sender-owner
         # One of four values: blank, sender, sender-owner or no_one.  If
         # left  blank the message is bounced to the list owner.  Sender
         # allows the  sender to be notified in addition to the owner
         # receiving the bounced  message. Sender-owner causes the sender to
         # be notified, but not the  owner. no_one should be self-expanatory
non_member_bounce   =

Ed


------=_Part_13730_32544955.1189533930858-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 11 12:07:50 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 987 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:07:49 PDT Received: from cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.1.212]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC07AD807D for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jjah@localhost) by cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id l8BIpIQ05798; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Jim Dory cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Rights to write with a list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200709/9 X-Sequence-Number: 5643 On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Jim Dory wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:05:30 -0800 > From: Jim Dory > To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: Rights to write with a list > > My list config does not have this in it. I suppose it would do no harm to > just add it in maybe at some point alphabetically in the config file? > Shouldn't matter what section (between the ENDs)? That field will be available after you apply the patch: ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config_parse.pl-resend.3 > cheers, Jim > > On 9/10/07, Ed Kasky wrote: > > > > At 05:49 AM Monday, 9/10/2007, Francl Fabien wrote -=> > > >Hello, > > >How can one warn a person whom it does not have the rights to write > > >with a list > > >Thank you. > > > > If you mean to inform someone who attempts to post to a closed list > > to which they are not subscribed, take a > > look at the following in the list config: > > > > # non_member_bounce [enum] (sender) > > /;sender;sender-owner > > # One of four values: blank, sender, sender-owner or no_one. If > > # left blank the message is bounced to the list owner. Sender > > # allows the sender to be notified in addition to the owner > > # receiving the bounced message. Sender-owner causes the sender > > to > > # be notified, but not the owner. no_one should be > > self-expanatory > > non_member_bounce = > > > > Ed > > > > > Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 11 21:24:36 2007 Received: from yoda.wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AFDD80DA for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDS.esson.net (eds.wrenkasky.com [10.10.10.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by yoda.wrenkasky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8C4OT0K013917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:24:34 -0700 Message-Id: <200709120424.l8C4OT0K013917@yoda.wrenkasky.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:24:38 -0700 To: Daniel Liston From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: Rights to write with a list Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <46E58BE2.1080609@sonny.org> References: <46E53D49.7070000@sqli.com> <200709101449.l8AEnDcS000704@yoda.wrenkasky.com> <46E58BE2.1080609@sonny.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass (yoda.wrenkasky.com: 10.10.10.11 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Archive-Number: 200709/10 X-Sequence-Number: 5644 Dan - All very good points. (I had forgotten that it was a patch.) Ed At 11:24 AM Monday, 9/10/2007, Daniel Liston wrote -=> >I think the non-member-bounce is an add-on/patch to majordomo 1.94.5 from >Joe's site, and not part of the standard distribution (yet). > >ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config_parse.pl-resend.0 > >While many (including myself) find this patch extremely useful, there >should be a warning that 90+% of internet mail today is spam, and more >than 90% of that is from a forged address that will either bounce, or >just anger an innocent recipient because your non-member message just >appeared to them as spam. > >It is better to post rules for your list on a web page, or in the auto- >help message from majordomo than to risk the undeliverable, unexpected, >or unwanted auto-replies from your list. Other choices/options are to >open your list, exposing it to much spam, or moderate it, exposing the >moderator to much spam. > >Dan Liston > >Ed Kasky wrote: >>At 05:49 AM Monday, 9/10/2007, Francl Fabien wrote -=> >>>Hello, >>>How can one warn a person whom it does not have the rights to >>>write with a list >>>Thank you. >>If you mean to inform someone who attempts to post to a closed list >>to which they are not subscribed, take a >>look at the following in the list config: >> # non_member_bounce [enum] (sender) >> /;sender;sender-owner >> # One of four values: blank, sender, sender-owner or no_one. If >> # left blank the message is bounced to the list owner. Sender >> # allows the sender to be notified in addition to the owner >> # receiving the bounced message. Sender-owner causes the sender to >> # be notified, but not the owner. no_one should be self-expanatory >>non_member_bounce = > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >Randomly Generated Quote (797 of 1270): >Maybe I'm lucky to be going so slowly, because >I may be going in the wrong direction. >- Ashleigh Brilliant From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 11 21:56:34 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 2715 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:52:18 PDT Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CFBED8083 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:24:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Rights to write with a list From: Daniel Liston To: Majordomo Users Message-Id: <20070912045218.6CFBED8083@mycroft.greatcircle.com> X-Archive-Number: 200709/11 X-Sequence-Number: 5645 I think the non-member-bounce is an add-on/patch to majordomo 1.94.5 from Joe's site, and not part of the standard distribution (yet). ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config_parse.pl-resend.0 While many (including myself) find this patch extremely useful, there should be a warning that 90+% of internet mail today is spam, and more than 90% of that is from a forged address that will either bounce, or just anger an innocent recipient because your non-member message just appeared to them as spam. It is better to post rules for your list on a web page, or in the auto- help message from majordomo than to risk the undeliverable, unexpected, or unwanted auto-replies from your list. Other choices/options are to open your list, exposing it to much spam, or moderate it, exposing the moderator to much spam. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 11 23:07:07 2007 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19138D808D for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sonny.com (mcafee.sonny.com [192.168.1.3]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JO800607M0OQC@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:05:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0JO6006020I3JD@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:25:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:24:34 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Rights to write with a list In-reply-to: <200709101449.l8AEnDcS000704@yoda.wrenkasky.com> To: Ed Kasky Cc: Francl Fabien , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <46E58BE2.1080609@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) References: <46E53D49.7070000@sqli.com> <200709101449.l8AEnDcS000704@yoda.wrenkasky.com> X-Archive-Number: 200709/12 X-Sequence-Number: 5646 I think the non-member-bounce is an add-on/patch to majordomo 1.94.5 from Joe's site, and not part of the standard distribution (yet). ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config_parse.pl-resend.0 While many (including myself) find this patch extremely useful, there should be a warning that 90+% of internet mail today is spam, and more than 90% of that is from a forged address that will either bounce, or just anger an innocent recipient because your non-member message just appeared to them as spam. It is better to post rules for your list on a web page, or in the auto- help message from majordomo than to risk the undeliverable, unexpected, or unwanted auto-replies from your list. Other choices/options are to open your list, exposing it to much spam, or moderate it, exposing the moderator to much spam. Dan Liston Ed Kasky wrote: > At 05:49 AM Monday, 9/10/2007, Francl Fabien wrote -=> >> Hello, >> How can one warn a person whom it does not have the rights to write >> with a list >> Thank you. > > If you mean to inform someone who attempts to post to a closed list to > which they are not subscribed, take a > look at the following in the list config: > > # non_member_bounce [enum] (sender) > /;sender;sender-owner > # One of four values: blank, sender, sender-owner or no_one. If > # left blank the message is bounced to the list owner. Sender > # allows the sender to be notified in addition to the owner > # receiving the bounced message. Sender-owner causes the sender to > # be notified, but not the owner. no_one should be self-expanatory > non_member_bounce = > > Ed > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Randomly Generated Quote (908 of 1270): > Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy. > -H.L. Mencken, writer, editor, and critic (1880-1956) > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 11 23:07:08 2007 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6166DD80A4 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sonny.com (mcafee.sonny.com [192.168.1.3]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JO800607M0OQC@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:05:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0JO70060BL80ZF@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:50:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:49:41 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Newbie - help In-reply-to: <200709102146.l8ALkO0l019491@nebulosa.pyxcom.com> To: iuriza@cfundaciones.org Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <46E6AB05.4010604@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) References: <200709102146.l8ALkO0l019491@nebulosa.pyxcom.com> X-Archive-Number: 200709/13 X-Sequence-Number: 5647 The mail clients I know that are or were capable of adding "headers" to a plain text message are pine, eudora, and mozilla based mail clients. Since you prefer free and your OS is windows XP, mozilla/thunderbird or UW PC-Pine mail client is probably your best match. An article on about.com provides the following tidbit of useful information: http://email.about.com/cs/mozillatips/qt/et030604.htm To add custom headers to emails in Mozilla or Netscape: * Open your user.js configuration file in an editor. * Add 'user_pref("mail.compose.other.header", "{custom headers}");'. o Replace {custom headers} above with a comma-separated list of the headers you want to be available. * o "Sender,X-Y" adds the Sender: and X-Y: headers, for example. * Save the file and close the editor. You still have to enter the values for the headers manually when creating messages in Mozilla or Netscape. What this means, is that you can follow the instructions to create a custom header called "Approved", then when you compose messages, you can select this header and add the value (your list password), before hitting send. As for your "too many recipients" message from Yahoo, first, majordomo IS a list management software second, the problem must be solved outside majordomo An MTA is what gives/takes messages to/from majordomo. The MTA is also what makes connections to other ISPs/domains MTA to deliver email. Your provider either needs to contact and make arrangements with Yahoo to accept messages with more than "X" number of recipients, or add a program like bulk_mailer or TLB in between majordomo and the local MTA to split up the number of Yahoo users that will be included in a single email. Dan Liston Ixánar Uriza Soto wrote: > Greetings, > > I’m a Majordomo newbie. The program (v. 1.94.4) is hosted on my ISP’s server > so I thought it could be an economic way to run a couple of mailing lists > for a better communication with our stakeholders. We’re a non-profit so > price counts a lot, and we’re not trying to sell or promote donation with > our emails. > > > > I started with a few test lists, but the problems arised soon; the thing is > that I’m using Outlook 2003 (win XP Pro), and apparently it’s imposible to > add the approval header. > > Do you recomend trying with another email client? (Freeware is better) > > > > Another problem is that we need to send a lot of emails to free accounts; > Hotmail and Gmail seems to go all right but yahoo keeps sending a “too many > recipients” bounce. Can I solve this with Majordomo? Should I consider > buying a list management software? Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 17 15:53:14 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 2422 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:53:13 PDT Received: from mail.kitusa.com (mail.kitusa.com [63.245.131.67]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAA0D8080 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HPa300n [63.245.157.26] by mail.kitusa.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.21) id ABE1112C; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:12:49 -0500 From: "Greg Monaco" To: Cc: "'Rahul R Deshmukh'" , Subject: Majorcool installation Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:13:57 -0500 Message-ID: <026c01c7f978$0b1907d0$0601a8c0@HPa300n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_026D_01C7F94E.2242FFD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf5d/8QKGqOtwNxTQW6RvnTwcolSg== X-Archive-Number: 200709/14 X-Sequence-Number: 5648 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_026D_01C7F94E.2242FFD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. We've got an old server with our mailing lists running majordomo. I'd like to give it a web front end using majorcool. We are running apache and freebsd on the server. I am not sure of the versions of apache or freebsd but they have been updated in the past couple of years. Is adding majorcool pretty straightforward or do we have to worry about issues like versioning? Do we have to backup anything first with respect to lists and email (I know that backing up the entire drive would be a good idea)? Will majorcool work with existing lists or will we have to add all new lists? Where is the best site to find majorcool to work in our situation? Thanks. Greg ------=_NextPart_000_026D_01C7F94E.2242FFD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi.  = We've got an old server with = our mailing lists running majordomo.  I'd like to give it a web front = end using majorcool.  We are running apache and freebsd on the = server.  I am not sure of the versions = of apache or freebsd but they have been updated in the past couple of = years.

Is adding majorcool pretty straightforward or do we have to = worry about issues like versioning? =  


Do we have to backup anything first with respect to lists and = email (I know that backing up the entire drive would be a good = idea)?


Will majorcool work with existing lists or will we have to add = all new lists?


Where is the best site to find majorcool to work in our = situation?

Thanks.

 

Greg

 

------=_NextPart_000_026D_01C7F94E.2242FFD0-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 17 21:13:13 2007 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77ADD80A8 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sonny.com (mcafee.sonny.com [192.168.1.3]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JOJ00DJCQ7OIO@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:09:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0JOJ00D02Q88Z1@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:09:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:08:44 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Majorcool installation In-reply-to: <026c01c7f978$0b1907d0$0601a8c0@HPa300n> To: Greg Monaco Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <46EF4F4C.7020409@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) References: <026c01c7f978$0b1907d0$0601a8c0@HPa300n> X-Archive-Number: 200709/15 X-Sequence-Number: 5649 Greg Monaco wrote: > Hi. We've got an old server with our mailing lists running majordomo. I'd What version of majordomo? What MTA (sendmail/postfix/qmail) are you using? > like to give it a web front end using majorcool. We are running apache and > freebsd on the server. I am not sure of the versions of apache or freebsd > but they have been updated in the past couple of years. I'm not sure, but like majordomo I believe majorcool is agnostic to these things. > > Is adding majorcool pretty straightforward or do we have to worry about > issues like versioning? Please see the DOC and HOWTO links posted below... > > Do we have to backup anything first with respect to lists and email (I know > that backing up the entire drive would be a good idea)? If you do not backup and something goes wrong, who are you going to blame? > > Will majorcool work with existing lists or will we have to add all new > lists? The documentation should tell you how to configure existing lists to be available through majorcool. Try ... http://www.siliconexus.com/MajorCool/Docs/ > > Where is the best site to find majorcool to work in our situation? I googled on majorcool.tar.gz to find... http://www.siliconexus.com/MajorCool/majorcool.tar.gz > > Thanks. > > Greg > > A quick google on majorcool also turns up this HOWTO page; http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/howtos/Majordomo-MajorCool/Majordomo-MajorCool-HOWTO-4.html From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 17 21:22:37 2007 Received: from yoda.wrenkasky.com (esson.net [216.102.129.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B971D80BA for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDS.esson.net (eds.wrenkasky.com [10.10.10.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by yoda.wrenkasky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8I4MUW6000678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:22:35 -0700 Message-Id: <200709180422.l8I4MUW6000678@yoda.wrenkasky.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:22:46 -0700 To: Daniel Liston From: Ed Kasky Subject: Re: Majorcool installation Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <46EF4F4C.7020409@sonny.org> References: <026c01c7f978$0b1907d0$0601a8c0@HPa300n> <46EF4F4C.7020409@sonny.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass (yoda.wrenkasky.com: 10.10.10.11 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Archive-Number: 200709/16 X-Sequence-Number: 5650 At 09:08 PM Monday, 9/17/2007, Daniel Liston wrote -=> >Greg Monaco wrote: >>Is adding majorcool pretty straightforward or do we have to worry about >>issues like versioning? > >A quick google on majorcool also turns up this HOWTO page; I vote that no one should be allowed to post to a technical list asking questions without first providing evidence that they had at least googled one solution for themselves... Any seconds? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Randomly Generated Quote (98 of 462) Bad day: Spouse is reading a new book : "Celibacy. The Secret Weapon." From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Sep 17 21:41:50 2007 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE0AD80AB for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sonny.com (mcafee.sonny.com [192.168.1.3]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JOJ00D06RJDJC@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:38:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0JOJ00E02RJX0J@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:38:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:37:20 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Majorcool installation In-reply-to: <200709180422.l8I4MUW6000678@yoda.wrenkasky.com> To: Ed Kasky Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <46EF5600.8020902@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) References: <026c01c7f978$0b1907d0$0601a8c0@HPa300n> <46EF4F4C.7020409@sonny.org> <200709180422.l8I4MUW6000678@yoda.wrenkasky.com> X-Archive-Number: 200709/17 X-Sequence-Number: 5651 I would typically agree, but the majordomo-users mailing list is well known for it's newbie friendliness. There are no instructions on greatcircle.com that say, please google for your answer before you visit our site. That would be like JCPenny's telling us to shop at Sears before comparing prices in their store. Ahh the good ol' days of helping those who help themselves are nearly gone. It is so much easier to ask for an answer.... Sorry, I am rambling. Ed Kasky wrote: > At 09:08 PM Monday, 9/17/2007, Daniel Liston wrote -=> >> Greg Monaco wrote: >>> Is adding majorcool pretty straightforward or do we have to worry about >>> issues like versioning? >> >> A quick google on majorcool also turns up this HOWTO page; > > I vote that no one should be allowed to post to a technical list asking > questions without first providing evidence that they had at least > googled one solution for themselves... > > Any seconds? > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Randomly Generated Quote (98 of 462) > Bad day: Spouse is reading a new book : "Celibacy. The Secret Weapon." > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Sep 18 00:58:24 2007 Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3457DD8098 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.20] (p5b072a19.dip0.t-ipconnect.de[91.7.42.25]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070918075821m1500biuf2e>; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:58:22 +0000 In-Reply-To: <46EF4F4C.7020409@sonny.org> References: <026c01c7f978$0b1907d0$0601a8c0@HPa300n> <46EF4F4C.7020409@sonny.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <104A0A6E-C7B1-4AD1-A2F8-6B7007D714E2@comcast.net> Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bucky Junior Subject: Re: Majorcool installation Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:58:15 +0200 To: Daniel Liston X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Archive-Number: 200709/18 X-Sequence-Number: 5652 On Sep 18, 2007, at 6:08 AM, Daniel Liston wrote: > Greg Monaco wrote: >> Hi. We've got an old server with our mailing lists running >> majordomo. I'd > > What version of majordomo? What MTA (sendmail/postfix/qmail) are > you using? ... Thanks for this. As a lurker and as someone who tried using majordomo, I appreciate that there may be other ways of manipulating majordomo. I am going to have to look into it again as my (somewhat less than tech-savvy) users were put off by the mail-based commands. It is my job to help them rather than insist that they fend for themselves. This is a rather quiet list an must concur with your attitude of helpfulness. Thanks again, Bucky From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Sep 28 09:14:08 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 1829 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:12:07 PDT Received: from mail.intuiworx.net (mail.intuiworx.net [64.203.106.70]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DBCD81BA for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.intuiworx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFF4CF987 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:41:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: 1.629 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.629 tagged_above=-10 required=4 tests=[AWL=0.236, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] Received: from mail.intuiworx.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.intuiworx.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nt1MugRwEcDb for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-69-246-144-37.hsd1.tn.comcast.net [69.246.144.37]) by mail.intuiworx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90DFCF982 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46FD2081.7020904@four-eight-four.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:40:49 -0400 From: Philip Clifton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Install problems-very frustrated Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200709/19 X-Sequence-Number: 5653 OK, so I installed majordomo from the appropriate RPM on our CentOS5 machine. I've edited the sendmail config as indicated, but when I try "echo lists | mail majordomo" I never get anything. The mail is going to majordomo, but I can only guess that it's not being properly piped to the wrapper. Problem is, I can't seem to find any really useful troubleshooting info around. Any ideas here? Here is what I added to sendmail.mc: define(ALIAS_FILE',/etc/aliases,/usr/lib/majordomo/majordomo.aliases')dnl define(ConfTRUSTED_USERS',majordomo')dnl And the content of majordomo.aliases: majordomo: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" owner-majordomo: majordomo majordomo-owner: majordomo test: :include:/usr/lib/majordomo/lists/test owner-test: majordomo test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" test-approval: majordomo -- Philip Clifton 4-8-4/IntuiWORX - Intuitive, Innovative Software Development http://www.intuiworx.com From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Sep 28 10:39:49 2007 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DC9D81B8 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sonny.com (mcafee.sonny.com [192.168.1.3]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JP300L02A28AG@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:32:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0JP300602AD5FI@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:39:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:39:06 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Install problems-very frustrated In-reply-to: <46FD2081.7020904@four-eight-four.com> To: Philip Clifton Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <46FD3C3A.7010608@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) References: <46FD2081.7020904@four-eight-four.com> X-Archive-Number: 200709/20 X-Sequence-Number: 5654 I would imagine that if you used an rpm, the install is completed. The problem you are having is with configuration or creating new lists. Philip Clifton wrote: > OK, so I installed majordomo from the appropriate RPM on our CentOS5 > machine. I've edited the sendmail config as indicated, but when I try > "echo lists | mail majordomo" I never get anything. The mail is going > to majordomo, but I can only guess that it's not being properly piped to What have you seen that leads you to this conclusion? > the wrapper. Problem is, I can't seem to find any really useful > troubleshooting info around. Any ideas here? Troubleshooting majordomo 101: are you running with sendmail as your MTA sendmail has "*dontblamesendmail*" settings that must be considered check your sendmail logs to see what sendmail did with the message first check your majordomo log for comparison what does the output of the majordomo config-test show From what I can see, you will want to create a link to your majordomo.aliases file in /etc/mail, and refer to that link in your sendmail.mc. Make sure permissions/ownership matches that of other files in /etc/mail before building sendmail.cf. Don't forget the the sendmail -bi or newaliases command either. Did you copy or link majordomo.cf into /etc? Did you edit majordomo.cf to match your domain? Does your sendmail default to using smrsh? Is there a link in /etc/smrsh to majordomo's wrapper? Heads up: Any mail addressed to test @ your.domain will not be processed by majordomo (yet). It will be distributed to all email addresses in the _test_ file, but will not be managed by majordomo until you create the proper *resend* alias. > > Here is what I added to sendmail.mc: > define(ALIAS_FILE',/etc/aliases,/usr/lib/majordomo/majordomo.aliases')dnl > define(ConfTRUSTED_USERS',majordomo')dnl This is not a necessity, just nice to have, and usually only in the largest of environments, or where the majordomo owner does not also own sendmail. > > And the content of majordomo.aliases: > majordomo: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" > owner-majordomo: majordomo > majordomo-owner: majordomo The rpm should have done those for you. > > test: :include:/usr/lib/majordomo/lists/test > owner-test: majordomo > test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper request-answer test" > test-approval: majordomo > Probably not the best idea to assign majordomo as the [-]owner[-] of any list. In fact, it is a very bad idea. Mail to those aliases will probably end up in the black hole of the ether net. ;) The owner should be an email address where a human checks mail. A "test" mailing list that does archives AND digests will have aliases that look like this; owner-test: test-owner test: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -l test test-outgoing,nobody" test-owner: someone@your.domain, test-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test" test-approval: moderator@your.domain test-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test,test-archiver,test-digestify test-archiver: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /var/lib/majordomo/archives/test/test -a -M" test-digestify: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper digest -r -C -l test-digest test-digest-outgoing" owner-test-digest: test-owner test-digest: test, test-digest-owner: test-owner test-digest-request: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo -l test-digest" test-digest-approval: test-approval test-digest-outgoing: :include:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/test-digest,nobody" Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Sep 28 11:08:36 2007 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8C5D81C0 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sonny.com (mcafee.sonny.com [192.168.1.3]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JP300L0CBE7AP@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:01:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0JP300607BP5GD@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:07:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:07:53 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Install problems-very frustrated In-reply-to: <46FD2081.7020904@four-eight-four.com> To: Philip Clifton Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <46FD42F9.1070702@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) References: <46FD2081.7020904@four-eight-four.com> X-Archive-Number: 200709/21 X-Sequence-Number: 5655 YIKES!!! Sorry I did not catch this in the previous response. Philip Clifton wrote: > And the content of majordomo.aliases: > majordomo: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" > owner-majordomo: majordomo > majordomo-owner: majordomo As eluded to previously, majordomo should /NEVER/ be the target of an alias. Look at the flow here; message comes to owner-majordomo MTA sees alias file and redirects to majordomo majordomo alias is a pipe to wrapper with argument of majordomo Who will ever see an error/bounce or information message that originates from the majordomo perl scripts? A human trying to inform you of a majordomo configuratoin issue will never reach you. If the rpm added those aliases, please inform the creator of the rpm about the problem. The redhat rpm does not do that. owner-majordomo and majordomo-owner should point to you@yours, assuming of course that you *ARE* the responsible entity. Dan Liston From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Sep 28 14:24:46 2007 Received: from nebulosa.pyxcom.com (nebulosa.pyxcom.com [200.94.104.221]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A911D81C5 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Programas ([100.1.130.213]) by nebulosa.pyxcom.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SKousG024653 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:51:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200709282051.l8SKousG024653@nebulosa.pyxcom.com> Reply-To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ix=E1nar_Uriza_Soto?= To: Subject: Re: Newbie - help Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:24:35 -0500 Organization: Corporativa de Fundaciones, A.C. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <46E6AB05.4010604@sonny.org> Thread-Index: Acf1AwfsgbEGHB4lRCS1YlIA7TFq3gNEfK8w X-Archive-Number: 200709/22 X-Sequence-Number: 5656 Thanks a lot for the help; I've finally installed Thunderbird, but as for the config file users.js, I've added the user_pref command line, but Thunderbird doesn't seem to recognize it. Since I'm used to Outlook, Thunderbird seemed to me a bit complicated so I don't know where to look for what went wrong (actually I'm still using Outlook though my plan was to switch completely) About the yahoo filter, I've sent a few emails and haven't received the notice anymore, maybe they finally whitelisted me or maybe I'm just no loger being notified... Again, thanks -----Mensaje original----- De: majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com [mailto:majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com] En nombre de Daniel Liston Enviado el: Martes, 11 de Septiembre de 2007 09:50 a.m. Para: iuriza@cfundaciones.org CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Asunto: Re: Newbie - help The mail clients I know that are or were capable of adding "headers" to a plain text message are pine, eudora, and mozilla based mail clients. Since you prefer free and your OS is windows XP, mozilla/thunderbird or UW PC-Pine mail client is probably your best match. An article on about.com provides the following tidbit of useful information: http://email.about.com/cs/mozillatips/qt/et030604.htm To add custom headers to emails in Mozilla or Netscape: * Open your user.js configuration file in an editor. * Add 'user_pref("mail.compose.other.header", "{custom headers}");'. o Replace {custom headers} above with a comma-separated list of the headers you want to be available. * o "Sender,X-Y" adds the Sender: and X-Y: headers, for example. * Save the file and close the editor. You still have to enter the values for the headers manually when creating messages in Mozilla or Netscape. What this means, is that you can follow the instructions to create a custom header called "Approved", then when you compose messages, you can select this header and add the value (your list password), before hitting send. As for your "too many recipients" message from Yahoo, first, majordomo IS a list management software second, the problem must be solved outside majordomo An MTA is what gives/takes messages to/from majordomo. The MTA is also what makes connections to other ISPs/domains MTA to deliver email. Your provider either needs to contact and make arrangements with Yahoo to accept messages with more than "X" number of recipients, or add a program like bulk_mailer or TLB in between majordomo and the local MTA to split up the number of Yahoo users that will be included in a single email. Dan Liston