From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Oct 16 10:33:04 2009 X-Greylist: delayed 396 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:33:03 PDT Received: from mail145.messagelabs.com (mail145.messagelabs.com [216.82.242.163]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB826900A5 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: cmount@csc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-145.messagelabs.com!1255713983!7554487!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.1.3; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [20.137.2.88] Received: (qmail 24830 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2009 17:26:23 -0000 Received: from amer-mta102.csc.com (HELO amer-mta102.csc.com) (20.137.2.88) by server-4.tower-145.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 16 Oct 2009 17:26:23 -0000 Received: from amer-gw05.amer.csc.com (amer-gw05.amer.csc.com [20.6.39.241]) by amer-mta102.csc.com (Switch-3.3.3mp/Switch-3.3.3mp) with ESMTP id n9GHQKrj019957 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:26:20 -0400 Subject: MajorDomo MajorCool question. X-KeepSent: 427A848F:9A6CD107-86257651:005F3AA7; type=4; name=$KeepSent To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0.2FP1 CCH2 April 23, 2009 Message-ID: From: Charles Mount Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:26:10 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AMER-GW05/SRV/CSC(Release 8.0.1 HF996|December 23, 2008) at 10/16/2009 01:26:45 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200910/1 X-Sequence-Number: 5889 Several years ago, I set up MajorDomo lists with MajorCool front end. Since that I have moved and misplaced some of my notes. I have requests for new list and I cannot remember how to get MajorCool to pick up the list once I have it working in MajorDomo. Also, I am coming up on refresh and will have to reinstall, I need to find good MajorCool documentation. I still have Alan Schwartz's book with my notes in the margin for MajorDomo. Thanks. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Oct 16 11:18:57 2009 X-Greylist: delayed 1143 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:18:56 PDT Received: from mail.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87386900AB for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.ourldsfamily.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ourldsfamily.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9GHxpxe012765 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:59:52 -0600 Received: from ammon ([172.20.20.1]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by webmail.ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:59:52 -0600 Message-ID: <8e06c7b65d7adb29fdf04fe8663bc7db.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:59:52 -0600 Subject: Re: MajorDomo MajorCool question. From: "Karl Pearson" To: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at mail.ourldsfamily.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archive-Number: 200910/2 X-Sequence-Number: 5890 I believe, from the left-overs on my system from when I did use MajorCool, that you run mj_key_cache I wrote my own pages which have supplanted the need for MajorCool, so I removed it when I last upgraded. But, for anyone who has read thus far, I have a question: Is there any package for managing email groups that is easy to move to which is also better than Majordomo? Frankly, it's not broken, so I'm not planning a move at this time, but I've been using MD 1.94.5 for about 15 years now, and as things have progressed from one server to the next during that time, the thought crosses my mind that I may need to change email group server software at some point... It might be nice to have a Linux server that uses repositories for everything I have. Now that Ubuntu gives ClamAV and SpamAssassin through repository, I may be tempted to also switch from the CentOS/RedHat/Fedora flavor to a Ubuntu/Linux Mint/gOS flavor sometime... Thoughts? Karl On Fri, October 16, 2009 11:26 am, Charles Mount wrote: > > Several years ago, I set up MajorDomo lists with MajorCool front end. > Since that I have moved and misplaced some of my notes. > I have requests for new list and I cannot remember how to get MajorCool > to > pick up the list once I have it working in MajorDomo. > Also, I am coming up on refresh and will have to reinstall, I need to > find > good MajorCool documentation. I still have Alan Schwartz's book with my > notes in the margin for MajorDomo. > > Thanks. > > --- Karl Pearson Karlp@ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. --Benjamin Franklin --- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Oct 16 12:45:15 2009 Received: from mail.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314796900A5 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.ourldsfamily.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ourldsfamily.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9GJj6EJ012669; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:45:09 -0600 Received: from ammon ([172.20.20.1]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by webmail.ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:45:10 -0600 Message-ID: <7365fdc8880ea0fd7ea2146be3ed9db6.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <2f8b0b640910161221u20a4c646sbc710c0fa6ccb3f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e06c7b65d7adb29fdf04fe8663bc7db.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <2f8b0b640910161221u20a4c646sbc710c0fa6ccb3f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:45:10 -0600 Subject: Re: MajorDomo MajorCool question. From: "Karl Pearson" To: "Brent Chapman" Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at mail.ourldsfamily.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archive-Number: 200910/3 X-Sequence-Number: 5891 Thanks for your response Brent. I have over 5800 email addresses in 148 email groups, and 1.94.5 has been very good to me. I've customized a bunch of things outside of the MD source, but have done some inside as well, though I'm no Perl expert. My major concern, and I'm not opposed to the general setup and maintenance of going to mj2, is, when the time comes to hand this project off, I'm pretty sure mailman (or something else?) might be the better way to go because of the 'out of the box' (apt-get/yum, etc.) availability. Again, thanks for your response, and for now, I'm sticking with what I know works, but will start studying mailman. Any others? Karl On Fri, October 16, 2009 1:21 pm, Brent Chapman wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Karl Pearson > wrote: > >> But, for anyone who has read thus far, I have a question: Is there any >> package for managing email groups that is easy to move to which is >> also >> better than Majordomo? Frankly, it's not broken, so I'm not planning a >> move at this time, but I've been using MD 1.94.5 for about 15 years >> now, >> and as things have progressed from one server to the next during that >> time, the thought crosses my mind that I may need to change email >> group >> server software at some point... It might be nice to have a Linux >> server >> that uses repositories for everything I have. Now that Ubuntu gives >> ClamAV and SpamAssassin through repository, I may be tempted to also >> switch from the CentOS/RedHat/Fedora flavor to a Ubuntu/Linux Mint/gOS >> flavor sometime... >> > > Even I don't use Majordomo 1.94.5 any more, and I wrote the thing... > > A few years ago, I moved all of the GreatCircle.com lists (including > this > one, Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com) to the never-released Majordomo2 > (which is a total rewrite that I had no involvement with; > http://www.mj2.org/). However, for the past couple of years, whenever > I've > set up new sites and new lists, I've used GNU Mailman ( > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html), just like seemingly > everybody else. > > Majordomo2 showed a lot of promise, but the authors have never > officially > "released" it. It's close enough to finished for their purposes, and > the > project seems to have stalled. If you're comfortable obtaining > in-development code from a CVS server, setting it up (including the > underlying MySQL database), and running it, then it might be for you. > If > you want the installation process to be "apt-get install mj2" (or the > RedHat > equivalent), then it's definitely not what you're looking for. > > Majordomo was useful in its day, and I'm honored that so many people > have > gotten so much use out of it over the years, but it's way past its "best > by" > date at this point... > > > -Brent > --- Karl Pearson Karlp@ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. --Benjamin Franklin --- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Oct 16 13:01:19 2009 X-Greylist: delayed 355 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:01:19 PDT Received: from huntingcow.cyberthugs.com (mail.cyberthugs.com [74.39.192.241]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AF86900AE for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by huntingcow.cyberthugs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4ABB38A39; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cyberthugs.com Received: from huntingcow.cyberthugs.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (huntingcow.cyberthugs.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3A5-WvQ4eFD6; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huntingcow.cyberthugs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by huntingcow.cyberthugs.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F228B38A38; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ddewey@localhost) by huntingcow.cyberthugs.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id n9GJtNTa007781; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:55:23 -0400 From: Dave Dewey Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:55:23 -0400 To: Karl Pearson Cc: Brent Chapman , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: MajorDomo MajorCool question. Message-ID: <20091016195523.GA6755@huntingcow.cyberthugs.com> References: <8e06c7b65d7adb29fdf04fe8663bc7db.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <2f8b0b640910161221u20a4c646sbc710c0fa6ccb3f6@mail.gmail.com> <7365fdc8880ea0fd7ea2146be3ed9db6.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7365fdc8880ea0fd7ea2146be3ed9db6.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-Archive-Number: 200910/4 X-Sequence-Number: 5892 Quoting Karl Pearson (karlp@ourldsfamily.com): > Thanks for your response Brent. I have over 5800 email addresses in 148 > email groups, and 1.94.5 has been very good to me. I've customized a > bunch of things outside of the MD source, but have done some inside as > well, though I'm no Perl expert. > > My major concern, and I'm not opposed to the general setup and > maintenance of going to mj2, is, when the time comes to hand this > project off, I'm pretty sure mailman (or something else?) might be the > better way to go because of the 'out of the box' (apt-get/yum, etc.) > availability. > > Again, thanks for your response, and for now, I'm sticking with what I > know works, but will start studying mailman. I'd second Mailman. I'm still here because I loved Majordomo and knew it pretty well at one time, but I moved all of my mailing lists to Mailman 5 or 6 years ago. At the time, I looked at MJ2 as part of my evaluation, but it's stalled state of development and the real sense of 'unfinished' I got was offputting. Mailman's well-supported, has a very active community and is currently undergoing a major update cycle. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Oct 16 15:10:52 2009 Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.221.182]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478326900AF for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so1923516qyk.6 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:10:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=fxCVQa3nRuiW3pM8tO0cjxqiRqljWq4jXCGSz5kRjVA=; b=tGik7LhfTi5AoL21U6gXiiGfp4LrPtxGfa7lvV8qvetCp4I3GYWhdJBjwRB9xFIZIu 03hZ6TcHD3p3zw6BpzuQ9Cx78JPw5kuc4Tn+Uffyn5oxuel2bfPVfm60+VV6Ue2eBl9E TkKw3f6R0/ZS5Iat0O8AIHWbawbybBVttZ6gM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=p0uGNzc3iJF2MlH0ahaxCRroQro+s8Y2CXHtsDBpVfAjAjSjteGiJfw7zcUiuoEnxR cqr2PcCHUqSBNI6pli2eLrHAeXYmA+aS5LBgTVjYL7r/Mftk6G+ykdUBLHwJN/M24h47 d617rGux/5my2PS8N582zoctyPuMjNIqOVao4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.69.161 with SMTP id z33mr1371658qai.59.1255730690078; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:04:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8e06c7b65d7adb29fdf04fe8663bc7db.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> References: <8e06c7b65d7adb29fdf04fe8663bc7db.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:04:50 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 444d7953c5be9836 Message-ID: <2f8b0b640910161504v15081171y5e8bd42869cee8e2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: MajorDomo MajorCool question. From: Brent Chapman To: Karl Pearson Cc: Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e648be36b737cf04761495ec X-Archive-Number: 200910/5 X-Sequence-Number: 5893 --0016e648be36b737cf04761495ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 [Re-sending this from the right email address, so that it actually gets through to the Majordomo-Users list... Apologies to those of you who've already seen it. -Brent] On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Karl Pearson wrote: > But, for anyone who has read thus far, I have a question: Is there any > package for managing email groups that is easy to move to which is also > better than Majordomo? Frankly, it's not broken, so I'm not planning a > move at this time, but I've been using MD 1.94.5 for about 15 years now, > and as things have progressed from one server to the next during that > time, the thought crosses my mind that I may need to change email group > server software at some point... It might be nice to have a Linux server > that uses repositories for everything I have. Now that Ubuntu gives > ClamAV and SpamAssassin through repository, I may be tempted to also > switch from the CentOS/RedHat/Fedora flavor to a Ubuntu/Linux Mint/gOS > flavor sometime... > Even I don't use Majordomo 1.94.5 any more, and I wrote the thing... A few years ago, I moved all of the GreatCircle.com lists (including this one, Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com) to the never-released Majordomo2 (which is a total rewrite that I had no involvement with; http://www.mj2.org/). However, for the past couple of years, whenever I've set up new sites and new lists, I've used GNU Mailman ( http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html), just like seemingly everybody else. Majordomo2 showed a lot of promise, but the authors have never officially "released" it. It's close enough to finished for their purposes, and the project seems to have stalled. If you're comfortable obtaining in-development code from a CVS server, setting it up (including the underlying MySQL database), and running it, then it might be for you. If you want the installation process to be "apt-get install mj2" (or the RedHat equivalent), then it's definitely not what you're looking for. Majordomo was useful in its day, and I'm honored that so many people have gotten so much use out of it over the years, but it's way past its "best by" date at this point... -Brent --0016e648be36b737cf04761495ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Re-sending this from the right email address, so that it actually gets thr= ough to the Majordomo-Users list... =A0Apologies to those of you who've= already seen it. =A0-Brent]

On Fri, Oct = 16, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Karl Pearson <karlp@ourldsfamily.com> wrote:
But, for anyone who has read thus far, I ha= ve a question: Is there any
package for managing email groups that is easy to move to which is also
better than Majordomo? Frankly, it's not broken, so I'm not plannin= g a
move at this time, but I've been using MD 1.94.5 for about 15 years now= ,
and as things have progressed from one server to the next during that
time, the thought crosses my mind that I may need to change email group
server software at some point... It might be nice to have a Linux server that uses repositories for everything I have. Now that Ubuntu gives
ClamAV and SpamAssassin through repository, I may be tempted to also
switch from the CentOS/RedHat/Fedora flavor to a Ubuntu/Linux Mint/gOS
flavor sometime...

Even I don't use Majordomo 1.94.5 any more, an= d I wrote the thing... =A0

A few years ago, I moved all of the GreatCircle.com lis= ts (including this one, Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com) to the never-relea= sed Majordomo2 (which is a total rewrite that I had no involvement with;=A0= http://www.mj2.org/). =A0However, for the past couple of yea= rs, whenever I've set up new sites and new lists, I've used GNU Mai= lman (http://www.gnu.org/software/mai= lman/index.html), just like seemingly everybody else.

Majordomo2 showed a lot of promise, but the authors hav= e never officially "released" it. =A0It's close enough to fin= ished for their purposes, and the project seems to have stalled. =A0If you&= #39;re comfortable obtaining in-development code from a CVS server, setting= it up (including the underlying MySQL database), and running it, then it m= ight be for you. =A0If you want the installation process to be "apt-ge= t install mj2" (or the RedHat equivalent), then it's definitely no= t what you're looking for.

Majordomo was useful in its day, and I'm honored th= at so many people have gotten so much use out of it over the years, but it&= #39;s way past its "best by" date at this point...


-Brent=A0

--0016e648be36b737cf04761495ec-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Oct 16 19:39:31 2009 X-Greylist: delayed 1487 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:39:31 PDT Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [209.237.247.99]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4434219C238; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.166.100] (unknown [12.106.142.130]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1435617AFB72; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MajorDomo MajorCool question. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-413087971 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" In-Reply-To: <2f8b0b640910161504v15081171y5e8bd42869cee8e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:14:38 -0700 Cc: Karl Pearson , Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com Message-Id: <0A319AED-6F3D-4AC5-99DD-903B1131CE0E@queernet.org> References: <8e06c7b65d7adb29fdf04fe8663bc7db.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <2f8b0b640910161504v15081171y5e8bd42869cee8e2@mail.gmail.com> To: Brent Chapman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Archive-Number: 200910/6 X-Sequence-Number: 5894 --Apple-Mail-11-413087971 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Oct 16, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Brent Chapman wrote: > A few years ago, I moved all of the GreatCircle.com lists (including > this one, Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com) to the never-released > Majordomo2 (which is a total rewrite that I had no involvement with; http://www.mj2.org/ > ). However, for the past couple of years, whenever I've set up new > sites and new lists, I've used GNU Mailman (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html > ), just like seemingly everybody else. We find ourselves at the same crossroads, and are in the process of switching to Sympa. While Mailman certainly has a larger user base and good ease-of-use, the currently-released version doesn't do multiple domains with delegated administration, which is something OPG/ QueerNet needs desperately. With Mailman 2, we would need to install a new instance of Mailman for each domain we serve. (And Mailman 3 is alpha and feature-incomplete, and seems to need a lot of Python infrastructure to run.) Sympa has a dedicated and funded development team, a good internationalized web interface, a concept of multiple independent domains ("robots"), and a fair amount of customizability without being the inscrutable Swiss Army Chainsaw that Mj2 ultimately turned into. --Apple-Mail-11-413087971 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
A few years ago, I = moved all of the GreatCircle.com = lists (including this one, Majordomo-Users@GreatCircl= e.com) to the never-released Majordomo2 (which is a total rewrite = that I had no involvement with; = --Apple-Mail-11-413087971-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Oct 17 20:29:25 2009 Received: from mail.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF9F69001E for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.ourldsfamily.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ourldsfamily.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9I3TLG6012398 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:29:22 -0600 Received: from ammon ([172.20.20.1]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by webmail.ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:29:22 -0600 Message-ID: <6744175db3d91766ba96d9045b00127c.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <0A319AED-6F3D-4AC5-99DD-903B1131CE0E@queernet.org> References: <8e06c7b65d7adb29fdf04fe8663bc7db.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <2f8b0b640910161504v15081171y5e8bd42869cee8e2@mail.gmail.com> <0A319AED-6F3D-4AC5-99DD-903B1131CE0E@queernet.org> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:29:22 -0600 Subject: Re: MajorDomo MajorCool question. From: "Karl Pearson" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at mail.ourldsfamily.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archive-Number: 200910/7 X-Sequence-Number: 5895 Is Sympa an open-source (thus, free) product? Thanks for bringing this up. As I only have one domain which accepts email, this may not matter, but I'm intrigued. Again, thanks, Karl On Fri, October 16, 2009 8:14 pm, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > On Oct 16, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Brent Chapman wrote: > >> A few years ago, I moved all of the GreatCircle.com lists (including >> this one, Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com) to the never-released >> Majordomo2 (which is a total rewrite that I had no involvement with; >> http://www.mj2.org/ >> ). However, for the past couple of years, whenever I've set up new >> sites and new lists, I've used GNU Mailman >> (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html >> ), just like seemingly everybody else. > > > We find ourselves at the same crossroads, and are in the process of > switching to Sympa. While Mailman certainly has a larger user base > and good ease-of-use, the currently-released version doesn't do > multiple domains with delegated administration, which is something OPG/ > QueerNet needs desperately. With Mailman 2, we would need to install > a new instance of Mailman for each domain we serve. (And Mailman 3 is > alpha and feature-incomplete, and seems to need a lot of Python > infrastructure to run.) Sympa has a dedicated and funded development > team, a good internationalized web interface, a concept of multiple > independent domains ("robots"), and a fair amount of customizability > without being the inscrutable Swiss Army Chainsaw that Mj2 ultimately > turned into. --- Karl Pearson Karlp@ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. --Benjamin Franklin --- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Oct 17 22:12:17 2009 Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [209.237.247.99]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE73690055 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.166.100] (unknown [12.106.142.130]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B43217AFB11; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MajorDomo MajorCool question. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <6744175db3d91766ba96d9045b00127c.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:12:11 -0700 Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8E4EB489-A6D2-4CD2-B356-2054F54F89F5@queernet.org> References: <8e06c7b65d7adb29fdf04fe8663bc7db.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <2f8b0b640910161504v15081171y5e8bd42869cee8e2@mail.gmail.com> <0A319AED-6F3D-4AC5-99DD-903B1131CE0E@queernet.org> <6744175db3d91766ba96d9045b00127c.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> To: Karl Pearson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Archive-Number: 200910/8 X-Sequence-Number: 5896 Yes, Sympa (sympa.org) is both open source and free. On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Karl Pearson wrote: > Is Sympa an open-source (thus, free) product? > > Thanks for bringing this up. As I only have one domain which accepts > email, this may not matter, but I'm intrigued. > > Again, thanks, > > Karl > > On Fri, October 16, 2009 8:14 pm, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: >> On Oct 16, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Brent Chapman wrote: >> >>> A few years ago, I moved all of the GreatCircle.com lists (including >>> this one, Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.com) to the never-released >>> Majordomo2 (which is a total rewrite that I had no involvement with; >>> http://www.mj2.org/ >>> ). However, for the past couple of years, whenever I've set up new >>> sites and new lists, I've used GNU Mailman >>> (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html >>> ), just like seemingly everybody else. >> >> >> We find ourselves at the same crossroads, and are in the process of >> switching to Sympa. While Mailman certainly has a larger user base >> and good ease-of-use, the currently-released version doesn't do >> multiple domains with delegated administration, which is something >> OPG/ >> QueerNet needs desperately. With Mailman 2, we would need to install >> a new instance of Mailman for each domain we serve. (And Mailman 3 is >> alpha and feature-incomplete, and seems to need a lot of Python >> infrastructure to run.) Sympa has a dedicated and funded development >> team, a good internationalized web interface, a concept of multiple >> independent domains ("robots"), and a fair amount of customizability >> without being the inscrutable Swiss Army Chainsaw that Mj2 ultimately >> turned into. > > > --- > Karl Pearson > Karlp@ourldsfamily.com > Owner/Administrator of the sites at > http://ourldsfamily.com > --- > "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; > to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." > --- > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have > for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. > --Benjamin Franklin > --- > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Oct 27 11:34:20 2009 X-Greylist: delayed 66 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:34:19 PDT Received: from rpc7149.teradata.com (nat13.teradata.com [153.65.16.13]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AF0590456 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from susday7659.TD.teradata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rpc7149.teradata.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9RIXCeR009806 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:33:12 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA5733.F07F9E11" Subject: Majordomo DR Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:33:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Majordomo DR Thread-Index: AcpXM+/hiUTgabx7S/a7hkcjNYpWNw== From: "Sharma, Vikas" To: X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3346-5.6.0.1016-16974.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--13.034-5.0-31-1 X-imss-scan-details: No--13.034-5.0-31-1;No--13.034-5.0-31-1 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No;No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No X-Archive-Number: 200910/9 X-Sequence-Number: 5897 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA5733.F07F9E11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have two majordomo servers. One is being used as production and same configuration exists on another majordomo server but what I know that there is no replication of data which is being modified on production server. I don't even know if majordomo has functionality to replicate data between servers. I have a question that if my production server is down how can we make the another server as primary/production? I'm new to majordomo and if you need details about my scenario please ask me. I want to have knowledge about the question I asked so that I don't get into any problem in future. Thanks, Vikas ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA5733.F07F9E11 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Majordomo DR

I have two majordomo servers. One is = being used as production and same configuration exists on another = majordomo server but what I know that there is no replication of data = which is being modified on production server.

I don’t even know if majordomo = has functionality to replicate data between servers. I have a question = that if my production server is down how can we make the another server = as primary/production?

I'm new to majordomo and if you need = details about my scenario please ask me. I want to have knowledge about = the question I asked so that I don't get into any problem in = future.

Thanks,
Vikas

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA5733.F07F9E11-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Oct 27 14:43:24 2009 X-Greylist: delayed 470 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:43:23 PDT Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4CB69003F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A421E.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.66.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9RLZSSO016273; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:35:29 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9RLZIWO003711; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:35:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9RLYAdQ004853; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:34:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200910272134.n9RLYAdQ004853@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Sharma, Vikas" cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Majordomo DR From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:33:11 -0400." Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:34:10 +0100 X-Archive-Number: 200910/10 X-Sequence-Number: 5898 > I have two majordomo servers. One is being used as production and same > configuration exists on another majordomo server but what I know that > there is no replication of data which is being modified on production > server. > I don't even know if majordomo has functionality to replicate data > between servers. I have a question that if my production server is down > how can we make the another server as primary/production? > I'm new to majordomo and if you need details about my scenario please > ask me. I want to have knowledge about the question I asked so that I > don't get into any problem in future. Hi Sharma, Majordomo does not have inbuilt automatic multi server resilient backup. One can add it though. I've done it with berklix.com. I've got a cold bug, & then priority business commitments demanding time when I'm well, but your firm welcome to pay me (I'm freelance) for a few hours to take time to document it on web for all. Tip: One `just' needs to analyse & extend existing 'domo /etc/aliases, think what one can call with /etc/crontab, think about MX record priorities for DNS, ssh for inter server inter site backup safe from IP spoofing etc. Standard Unix stuff. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64: http://asciiribbon.org From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Oct 27 17:42:46 2009 X-Greylist: delayed 7203 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:42:46 PDT Received: from mail.sonny.com (unknown [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAA469002B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (82.sub-97-60-102.myvzw.com [97.60.102.82]) by minute.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0KS700A02332U8@minute.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:42:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:41:33 -0400 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Majordomo DR In-reply-to: To: "Sharma, Vikas" Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <4AE7690D.8050500@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) References: X-Archive-Number: 200910/11 X-Sequence-Number: 5899 You set high availability on majordomo, the same way as you set it on your MTA (sendmail). If your sendmail is down, your majordomo is down. If your sendmail is up, your majordomo is up. Majordomo only processes aliases that the MTA sends to it via a pipe. If you have a clustered file system, the same data (archives) may be accessed from either node without the need to keep two copies of everything. Dan Liston Sharma, Vikas wrote: > > I have two majordomo servers. One is being used as production and same > configuration exists on another majordomo server but what I know that > there is no replication of data which is being modified on production > server. > > I don’t even know if majordomo has functionality to replicate data > between servers. I have a question that if my production server is down > how can we make the another server as primary/production? > > I'm new to majordomo and if you need details about my scenario please > ask me. I want to have knowledge about the question I asked so that I > don't get into any problem in future. > > Thanks, > Vikas >