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Subject: How to get around a moderator of list and send your posting anyway
From: Dave Sill <de5 @ de5 . CTD . ORNL . GOV>
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, Tenn., USA
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:52:51 -0400
To: murphy @ dccs . upenn . edu
Cc: majordomo-users @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <9409141712.AA05970@lam.dccs.upenn.edu>
References: <9409141712.AA05970@lam.dccs.upenn.edu>

Linda Murphy wrote:
>
>Then, I sent mail to <list>-outgoing and bypassed Majordomo
>altogether, and the mail was distributed to the list subscribers.
>
>Isn't this a bug?

No, it's a feature...of sendmail.  Your -outgoing alias doesn't go
through Majordomo or resend, so there's no way it could be restricted.

>For any list which is restricted or moderated, all I need to do
>is guess the alias name for the :include alias (which is passed
>to resend as the last argument), and '<list>-outgoing' is a
>pretty good guess.

True, that's why I never use -outgoing for my lists and always disable
EXPN in sendmail.

>In fact, if I have a Unix account on the same
>host where majordomo is running, I don't have to guess at all, I
>can simply read the /etc/aliases file and look for the resend for
>the list!

I can trust the users on my system with that, although I realize not
everyone can.  The best fix is probably to keep users off your list
serving systems. 

>Net-happenings is supposedly a moderated mailing list -- but I
>wonder what would happen if I sent a message to
>net-happenings-outgoing@is.internic.net?

The owner of that list would probably change the alias PDQ.  :-)

>Wouldn't it be
>distributed to everyone on the list by the system's MTA
>regardless of the fact that Majordomo thinks it's moderated?

Probably.

>Isn't that a problem?

It's a potential problem, but it's easy to pick hard-to-guess aliases.

>Another question: Can I have a list with an open subscription
>policy but where only the subscribers to the list can send mail
>to the subscribers of the list?  (I'm a little new to Majordomo,
>so I'm not sure how I would configure such a list yet.)  (This
>kind of list would also be susceptible to the same problem
>described above, I believe).

Sure, resend lets you specify a list of senders, which can be the same
as the list of subscribers.

-Dave


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