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Subject: Re: Commercial Posts - What To Do?
From: "Dale J. Chatham" <dale @ chatham . tpoint . net>
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 00:51:54 -0500
To: "Lawrence S Rosenberg, Esq." <lawrose @ valleylaw . com>
Cc: Jonathon Blake <grafolog @ netcom . com>, Kynn Bartlett <kynn @ idyllmtn . com>, Dale Chatham <dale @ ross . com>, majordomo-users @ GreatCircle . COM
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Lawrence S Rosenberg, Esq. wrote:
> 
> At 03:41 AM 5/1/96 +0000, Jonathon Blake wrote:
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Kynn Bartlett wrote:
> >
> >> This is a really bad idea.  Why?  Because I've found that AOL, in particular,
> >> are _very_ good about yanking accounts immediately.  The AOL admins who
> >
> >       My milage varies considerably.
> >
> >> What more could you possibly want them to do?  Have you ever dealt with
> >> abuse@aol.com?  I get the feeling that you probably have not.
> >
> >       When I've sent complaints to abuse@aol.com, it is has bounced
> >       back to me as
> >       #1:     user unknown
> >       #2:     I'm not a subscriber to the mailing list / abuse
> >       #3:     mailbox full
> >
> >
> >       So i send complaints to all of the following at aol.
> >       root
> >       postmaster
> >       toslnet1
> >       toslnet2
> >       support
> >       the spammer
> >
> >       Generally speaking, that seems to have the desired effect.
> >       The spammer loses his account.
> >
> >        xan
> >
> >        jonathon
> >        grafolog@netcom.com
> 
>         One More -
>         Since the latest spams are all about *this* "company," has anyone
> inquired of the U.S. Postal Service as to whether this can be handled as a
> misuse of a post office box?
> 
> 
>                                          Magazine Club Inquiry Center
>                                          Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
>                                          PO Box 990
>                                          Staten Island NY  10312-0990
> 
>         This is where the fax-impaired are supposed to send the form in the
> spam via U.S. Postal Mail.  We have all kinds of rules on Postal Mail, and
> I'm not looking for any more rules on the Internet, but ... perhaps this can
> be brought to the attention of the snail mail authorities.  IMO, this *is*
> misuse of a post office box ... taxpayer's money and all that, and I don't
> for one minute think that this company is some innocent being caught up in
> this spam.  I think a fish stinks from the head down and I think this
> company is paying for professional spamming, which, right now, just happens
> to be easiest to accomplish from AOL.
> 
>         I'm in California.  I think those of us in or near Staten Island,
> NYC, could get this going with a simple phone call.  I would have to
> actually write a postal letter and send it same day air.  :-)
> 
>         Gawd ... has anyone bothered to read this specimen, I mean all of
> it?  It's what *I* call obscene, or at least it makes me sick.
> 
> Viz.
> ..............................
> "Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.  I
> don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
> part-time software business!  Please fill out the above form and carefully
> follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail."
> ..............................
> 
>         If you have read it you know it gets even better, but to invoke the
> honor of being a student as a ruse to leave the sending account alone is ...
> well, to me it's below the belt.  (Particularly when sending to this busy
> student results in a 550 "User Unknown" error. :-)
> 
>         So, anyone in the NYC area feel this is worth a local call to the
> U.S. Postal authorities or should us lawyer types start writing letters from
> California?  ;)

If it doesn't involve a stamp, something physical, and the postal circus er, uh,
I mean Postal Service, it ain't mail and they don't care!

  Dale
> 
>         Onward, I hope everyone is having a good week and I apologize for
> quoting from so much of the spam.  I think everyone here probably has it
> memorized by now ... but, just in case anyone joined the party late.
> 
> My Very Best,
> Lawrence S Rosenberg, Esq.
> For the Rosenberg Law Offices &
> ValleyLaw - ValleyLaw-Digest
> Queued to send - From Los Angeles, California, USA  [PDT]
> April 30, 1996
> 10:02 pm
> 
> http://www.valleylaw.com  *  http://www.primenet.com/~lawrose/
> *********************************************************************
> Lawrence S. Rosenberg    <lawrose@valleylaw.com> lawrose@primenet.com
> Attorney At Law          |Voice Mail: 818.399.0470
> Los Angeles, California  |Tel: 818.989.2434 - 213.873.4044
> *********************************************************************

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