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Subject: Re: Re[2]: how to stop auto-reply loop?
From: Jim Dawson <jdawson @ navi . net>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:12:40 -0700 (PDT)
To: Majordomo Users List <majordomo-users @ GreatCircle . COM>
In-reply-to: <x7wwqby2ga.fsf@gkar.prescienttech.com>

On 9 Apr 1997, Rich Pieri wrote:

> When a person on a mailing list sets up an autoresponder (commonly the
> vacation program), every message sent to the list (thus the subscriber)
> automatically generates a reply.  When there is no Reply-To header the
> reply is sent to the originator of the message.  When there is a Reply-To
> header the reply is sent to that mailbox instead.

The vacation program does not function as you describe. From the man page:

VACATION(1)                  BSD Reference Manual                  VACATION(1)

[snip]

     No message will be sent unless login (or an alias supplied using the -a
     option) is part of either the ``To:'' or ``Cc:'' headers of the mail.  No
     messages from ``???-REQUEST'', ``Postmaster'', ``UUCP'', ``MAILER'', or
     ``MAILER-DAEMON'' will be replied to (where these strings are case insen-
     sitive) nor is a notification sent if a ``Precedence: bulk'' or
     ``Precedence: junk'' line is included in the mail headers.

[snip]

4.3 Berkeley Distribution        June 16, 1993                               2

As you can see, this is not new. Majordomo adds a ``Precedence: bulk''
header and the ``To:'' is the name of the list; vacation does not respond. 
We run several mailing lists here and we tested all sorts of vacation
message variables; vacation never once sent a reply to a list. I use it as
a matter of course, as I get 200 to 300 pieces of email a day. 

If you have problems with mail loops due to a broken auto-responder, it
behooves you to find out from the user what it is, and pass along a
friendly (or perhaps not-so-friendly) word to the author. The answer is
*NOT* to let broken software continue to exist by whining about it and
chastising people who find using ``Reply-to:'' convenient for their needs.

Your other argument about not being able to reply to the author if you
want to is specious, as the ``From:'' header shows clearly who sent the
message, and if you really want to send a response to that person, then,
you're perfectly able to. If your MUA is unable to perform that simple
task, then you should change.  Try Pine -- it works fine. 

Jim
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