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Subject: Re: CCing of subscribers.
From: "Dale J. Chatham" <dale @ chatham . org>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 16:18:55 -0500
To: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs @ hpc . uh . edu>
Cc: majordomo-users @ GreatCircle . COM
References: <Pine.NEB.3.95.970524144351.19903A-100000@praline.no.neosoft.com> <ufaiv08obnq.fsf@sina.hpc.uh.edu>

Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> 
> subscribe
> >>>>> "RJ" == Ray Jones <rayjones@praline.no.neosoft.com> writes:
> 
> RJ> If the person is on the list, he gets the message.
> 
> Prove it.  You will not get a copy of this message from the list server
> until the list owner approves it.  What if you were asking a question which
> you wanted the answer to?

It's worse than that. Assume the following:

majordomo list is hosted at majordomo.com

subscriber a has an account on a.com
subscriber b has an account on b.com

Subscriber a posts a message to majordomo.com.  It gets passed around
a bit and a route from majordomo.com to a.com vanishes from routing
tables.

A reply from b@b.com may go to the list, the list's message from
majordomo@majordomo.com will bounce to the list owner.  b@b.com is
unawayre of it having bounced and wonders shy a reply has not been
received.

The net result:  There is no way to guarangee that a message will go
from a to majordomo bo b.  Further, and worse, there is no way for
a to know that b has dropped out of routing.

If b wants some clear indication that a received the message, the surest
way of doing so is to send the message himself.

However, and her is the crux.  It is all terribly moot because users
are going to do what they want, they will get hostile when told they
are not doing things perfectly, and will continue to do as they wish.
Recent discussions on this list among the "experts" should be enough
to prove the folly of trying to impose any such discipline.  Majordomo
cannot enforce it, although it could strip headers that make it to
majordomo.

I think there is an old prayer that is appropriate:  "Grant me the
strength to change that wich I can, grant me the patience to accept
that which I cannot change, and the wisdom to know the difference".

  Dale


> 
>  - J<

-- 
                                                                   _
(__________) ``Necessity is the plea for every infringement     _.| |_
    /( oo    of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants;   \.    }
     /\_|    it is the creed of slaves.''                         \_(
                      William Pitt, Earl of Chatham 
             speech in the House of Lords, November 18, 1783
Dale J. Chatham, WA5WNI                               dale@chatham.org
Member PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals)       http://www.chatham.org



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