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Subject: Re: Question for the list
From: Jeff Lasman <jblists @ nobaloney . net>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 07:09:28 -0800
To: Majordomo-users @ GreatCircle . COM

Carol,

You bring up some very good points.

Yes, the information at the Great Circle site IS designed for majordomo 
owners; not list owners.

All majordomo owners are NOT the same.  We're a commercial hosting 
company.  We charge for majordomo hosting.  The difference is that we offer 
first-level support and have many years of first-level support experience.

I'm in the midst of migrating to a new Linux platform (RaQ), so I have a 
lot of questions myself, and even a lot of "newbie" questions.  Since the 
people at Cobalt (who make the RaQ) want me to stay away from everything 
but their web-based administration tools, I know the frustration level well.

In fact, I may migrate back off the RaQ platform more quickly than I 
migrated on, since my purpose was to find an easy-to-use interface to 
things we already do, and not a lot more frustration and effort.

Thanks for giving me the chance to get on my soapbox <smile>.

Jeff

At 04:06 PM 12/18/99  Carol Stone wrote:

>I wasn't going to bother anyone here, since I knew my newbie question 
>would get a communal "why don't people read the FAQ before
>they ask questions," but I've got to tell you the FAQ is nearly useless to 
>some people who become first-time list owners.
>
>The FAQ and the README documents available at 
>http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/ seem to assume that the person 
>looking there is
>the person who is installing majordomo on a server.
>
>What I needed was:
>
>"In the 'Doc/man' directory, you'll find manual pages for approve,
>bounce, bounce-remind, digest, resend, and majordomo.
>
>"For your list-managers, the file Doc/list-owner-info contains some
>good information.  It can be sent to them and should be enough
>information to get them started using majordomo.  You'll want to
>update it for your site-specific needs. "
>                 -verbatim from http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/README
>
>It actually took me a couple days to realize the referenced directories 
>were in the source distribution file from GreatCircle.  Why
>would I download the whole installation program, I wondered, if I'm not 
>the home of the majordomo server?
>
>I found the information, and it was right there on the Great Circle site 
>all the time.  But I gotta tell you it was both frustrating
>and extremely insulting for a couple days there.
>
>What really got me was the owners of lists I'm subscribed to who responded 
>to my request for help, "do you know what commands I
>should know how to use now that I'm a listowner?" with "I dunno, I'm just 
>a flunkey around here!"
>
>And I promise not to bother any of you again...until I get good and stuck 
>and can't find what I'm looking for in the archives.



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