Too much bookkeeping for me to deal with. If this was my full-time job, I
might consider an infinitely-graduated scale like that, but it's not. I
don't need to make a profit or very much of one, just enough to cover
the T1 and occasional software and hardware upgrades, and those are all
minimal. So, flat rates are simple and easy for everyone to understand.
Regards.
Bill
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Jeff Lasman wrote:
> At 10:43 PM 2/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Jeff Lasman wrote:
> >
> > > So you don't care about how many users or how much traffic?
> >
> >Nope, don't care in the list. Convince me why I should.
>
> Not my intention. Really. I was just asking what you did, to be sure to
> have it clarified in my mind. Pricing Majordomo lists has always been a
> mystery for me; we charge differently for announcement lists and discussion
> lists, and we charge based on list size.
>
> Here's our price list, quite imperfect, I know, and certainly subject to
> change as more people reply to this thread and give us all some good ideas:
>
> Announcement List Setup: $15
> Announcement List up to 500 email addresses: $5/month
> Announcement List up to 1000 email addresses: $10/month
>
> Discussion List Setup: $25
> Discussion List up to 20 msgs/day up to 200 addressees: $5/month
> Discussion List up to 20 msgs/day up to 500 addressees: $10/month
> Discussion List up to 20 msgs/day up to 1000 addressees: $20/month
>
> Unlimited Discussion Setup: $25
> Unlimited Discussion List up to 200 addressees: $10/month
> Unlimited Discussion List up to 400 addressees: $20/month
> Unlimited Discussion List up to 600 addressees: $30/month
> Unlimited Discussion List up to 800 addressees: $40/month
> Unlimited Discussion List up to 1000 addressees: $50/month
>
> Moving a pre-existing Mailing List: $25 (in addition to setup)
> (includes moving addresses and archives where available)
>
> Web-based Mailing List Administration: $10/setup, $2/month
> Web-based Mailing List Signup Page: $10/setup, $2/month
> Mailing List Custom Domain Return Address: $10/setup $2/month
> Mailing List Archive Storage $10/setup $5/month/10 megabytes
> Web-based Mailing List Archive Retrieval, $10/setup $2/month
> Web-based Archive Search Engine, $10/setup $2/month
>
> Additionally we limit NEW lists (with no past history) to a growth rate of
> 100 new users per week; that tends to keep spammers from using our
> Majordomo services <wry grin>.
>
> We also show on our price list (but we've never yet had to charge) for
> spam-related problems:
>
> Subscriber-caused Received spam complaint: $10/each
> Subscriber-sent outgoing spam: $5/each
> Subscriber-caused interruption of Internet service to us: $250/hour
>
> No charge extra for moderation, but a digest is priced as a separate list.
>
> While not trying to convince you of anything, let me give you some of my
> rationale:
>
> Pricing in any field is an arcane art. It was easiest when I was in the
> blue jean business. We marked up everything 100 + 10% to the stores, they
> marked it up another 100% + 10% percent ($12 cost, so we sold it at $26.40,
> the store sold it at $58). Now you see why stores can hold clearance sales
> cutting prices in half and still make money.
>
> Hardest I've ever done was in the typesetting business in the late 70s. No
> one knew how to price typesetting as it evolved from hot-metal to film and
> computers. We told our customers we were charging them $50/hour (pretty
> good in those days) for custom advertising-agency quality typography
> (custom letter-fit, copy-counting, etc.) but in reality we had a computer
> (an old 8080-based processor as I recall) doing most of the work, and we
> really billed the computer at $100/hour. We were a lot cheaper for
> finished jobs than the old-fashioned houses doing it manually at $120/hour,
> so we got a lot of business. We also picked up a good bit of spare change
> every month or so from recycled silver from the film.
>
> Somewhere in the middle was the computer-reseller business. We bought the
> cheapest parts, slapped the machine together will free labor (got kids from
> high-schools and the school-district would actually pay their salary under
> various inner-city vocational programs), make a minimum markup, move a lot
> of boxes, and eventually go broke <wry grin>.
>
> Personally, I consider it important to charge in some way for storage, and
> for the amount of usage, because we're actually in the list business; it's
> not just an afterthought. Therefore it needs to pay for itself and return
> a profit. A few large lists can eat up system cycles and bandwidth in a hurry.
>
> (And yes, I've been in a few businesses over the years, starting as an
> entrepreneur when still in High School; I'm now in my 50s.)
>
> >Yep, they can use their own domain names here, too. There's a $25/year
> >domain hosting fee for the administrative overhead it entails.
>
> About the same as ours, as you can see from the above.
>
> >Why are you being so hostile?
>
> I didn't realize I was. I think I just came across as hostile, because I
> asked questions and didn't post my own prices. I apologize for that; it's
> been hectic the past few days (still is). But I don't mind sharing my
> rationale.
>
> I do apologize for any lack of etiquette/netiquette on my part. In my
> rushed state, I didn't realize I was doing it.
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Jeff Lasman <jblists@nobaloney.net>
>
>
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