Re: Bounces

[Dan Liston <dliston @ netscape . com>]

Ignoring your bounces configuration for now,

Take a look at these things;

/etc/aliases, /etc/mail/majordomo.aliases, ???
1. postmaster
2. mailer-daemon
3. majordomo-owner
4. infra
Walk though these aliases to see where they are delivered, and if
a message bounces that was sent out from them, where it will go.

/etc/passwd
1. majordom
1. majordomo
1. mj1945
1. mj
1. mdomo
1. mjdomo
What is the uid.gid and login ID of the majordomo user?  This info
is handy for chown/chmod in the majordomo list/work/digest/archive
directories.

Rule #1.  When creating new lists, archives, or digests, do it as the
majordomo user and not root.  Otherwise you will have to chmod/chown
the files/directories created.

Rule #2.  When testing the list and/or majordomo, do it from an account
other than root, postmaster, or majordomo itself.  Otherwise you can
and most likely will end up creating mail loops.

Getting back to your message.  What is the contents, the ownerships,
and the permissions of /var/lib/majordomo/lists/infra?

Have you looked in the FAQ?  Have you considered this may not be a 
majordomo issue, but a sendmail one?  You will want/need to be very
familiar with sendmail (or the MTA your server runs) in order to
ever expect to be able to troubleshoot majordomo.

Think of majordomo as an "add-on" to sendmail, like procmail and smrsh.
If your MTA does not like permissions, or cannot read/write a file, it
most likely will be the origin of error messages like the one you are
seeing, and not majordomo.

Dan Liston

PS. Due to how busy my current $$$ project is keeping me, I will not be
available for "private" email discussions regarding majordomo.  Please
use the majordomo-users list to ask for help.

Kiran wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
>             I made the bounce list in the majordomo home dir. But I find
> that when I send mails, I find that the the mails that come back are again
> sent back with the help msg. This basically is sent back to the postmaster
> and this seems to get into a loop resulting in a heavy load on the system.
> Even though I have defined in the majordomo.cf file to stop processing
> req.'s if it passes a load avg, I find that majordomo still handles the
> connections.
> The Majordomo gives an abort with the msg Aboting to avoid loop.
> One more that I could not understand -  Can't append to
> /var/lib/majordomo/lists/infra   : Files exits (where infra is the name of
> one of the lists)
> 
> I had installed majordomo on another server.Every thing seemd to be working
> except that when a Majordomo Results is sent it is sent from
> Mailer-Daemon@mydomain.com rather then from majordomo@mydomain.com
> 
> Rgds
> Kiran
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Liston <dliston@netscape.com>
> To: Kiran <kiran@indiainfoline.com>
> Cc: <Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Bounces
> 
> > -
> > Kiran,
> >
> > The only time that particular file should be appended to is during a
> > subscribe operation, to add an email address to your list.  The bounce
> > script depends on
> > or defaults to your bounces list being called "bounces" (no upper case
> > letters).
> >
> > If majordomo generates a message, which in turn bounces for any reason,
> > and the
> > sender is configured as "majordomo" (no owner prefix or suffix), a mail
> > loop can
> > be created.  That is why the majordomo.cf has the majordomo_dont_reply
> > setting.
> > Majordomo can detect these and prevent the loop by aborting.
> >
> > "Bounce" has two meanings.  Majordomo will BOUNCE a message for various
> > configurable reasons to the list-owner.  These can be for adminstrative
> > checks, non-member message posting, etc.  Sendmail (or other MTA) will
> > bounce a message
> > when it is undeliverable.  It is these MTA bounces that the bounces list
> > is for.
> >
> > Which type of bounce are you referring to?  MTA bounces should not need
> > approving.
> > Can you provide examples of what and how you are trying to do what you
> > are having problems with?
> >
> > Dan Liston
> >
> > Kiran wrote:
> > >
> > > I have configured the Bounce list & the .majordomo files in the home
> > > directory of Majordomo. But even after approving the Boune mail's the
> mails
> > > do not go into the list.What could be the problem?
> > >
> > > Another thing I noticed was I was getting a no. of Majordomo abort msgs.
> I
> > > belive when a msg. is not delivered, it comes back to Majordomo, It
> gives an
> > > error msgs like
> > > 1. Aborting to avoid mail loop
> > > 2. Can't append to /var/lib/majordomo/lists/infra   : Files exits
> > >  P.S : here infra is one of the lists)
> > >
> > > Could you sort this out for me
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Rgds
> > > Kiran