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Subject: Re: Is majordomo still being used in new installations?
From: Daniel Liston <dliston @ sonny . org>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:06:09 -0500
To: "Jack L. Stone" <jacks @ sage-american . com>
Cc: John Christian <John . Christian @ MindShareSystems . com>,"'majordomo-users @ greatcircle . com'" <majordomo-users @ greatcircle . com>
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True, they all work with sendmail, and probably the other MTAs I
spoke of previously, but their "design" was as mentioned.  Majordomo
was designed for use with sendmail. (but also works with other MTAs)

Dan Liston

Jack L. Stone wrote:
> I believe mailman works with sendmail. I was tracking it on their user's
> list like this one for a while to see if I wanted to use it. After a couple
> of months, I could see they had too many problems for me. It seems to still
> need some "baking."
> 
> At 04:33 PM 8.30.2002 -0500, Daniel Liston wrote:
> 
>>Depending on your OS and your MTA, there are also mailman, ezmlm, and
>>SmartList (as far as free list managers go).  I believe mailman is
>>designed for use with postfix and and ezmlm for qmail (I could have
>>this backwards).  SmartList is based on procmail rules, and other than
>>installing any of them, I can not say I have used anything but our
>>favorite, majordomo.  Before The January 2000 release of majordomo,
>>the previous version 1.94.4, had timestamps ranging from 93-97, but
>>most files had been updated around Aug-Oct 97.  1.94.2 and .3 were of
>>the Apr 97 vintage, and 1.94 sometime around Oct 96.
>>
>>Considering 6 years with only 5 bugfix/patch updates and 2-3 years
>>each between the most recent 2, we have a solid product on our hands.
>>I would say we will be using majordomo for a long time to come.
>>Especially if perl savy mail admins have anything to say about it.
>>
>>Archives, don't know who maintains them, don't want the responsibility
>>myself.  Since there has only been one announcement since 2000, I can
>>see what that archive stops.  Aug 2002 is this month!  I would say you
>>can't get any more current than that.  FAQ, old sendmail, well, if it
>>is still valid, why change it?  I don't want that responsibility either,
>>but would be willing if the oportunity presented itself.
>>
>>There have been a small handful of patches and contributions since
>>1.94.5 was released, and after some developer discussion some, all,
>>or something in-between may be rolled out as 1.94.6 in the future.
>>
>>MajordomoII is still in alpha (maybe beta) development, and there are
>>a good number of people already running it successfully, but it should
>>not be confused with majordomo.  It is a complete rewrite from the
>>ground up.
>>
>>Dan Liston
>>
>>John Christian wrote:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Based on what I've found so far, it seems support for Majordomo (and its
>>>widespread use) may be declining. I'm querying the majordomo-users list to
>>>hear your opinion of Majordomo's current state and what its future may
>>
> hold.
> 
>>>Obviously, folks on this list will likely view majordomo as widely used;
>>>however, where do you think the rest of the e-mail admin community is
>>>headed? (For example: I think Mosaic is a cool browser, but I know it's not
>>>as mainstream as it used to be.)
>>>
>>>My perception is based on the following:
>>>
>>>The current version is 1.94.5, released Jan 18, 2000
>>>Majordomo-announce archive stops after 2001
>>>Majordomo-users archive stops after August of 2002
>>>FAQ info related to sendmail references old sendmail versions as if they
>>>were current
>>>And similar imperfect evidence that I could be misinterpreting :-)
>>>
>>>I am not attempting to put down Majordomo from a technical perspective. The
>>>last time I messed around with list servers (1996-ish) I seem to remember
>>>ListSERV and Majordomo being the main tools in use. Imagine my recent
>>>surprise to find that ListSERV has gone commercial and Majordomo hasn't
>>
> been
> 
>>>updated in well over three years.
>>>
>>>If you think majordomo may be in decline, what are the other "real players"
>>>in terms of free list serve software? I know dozens exist, but which ones
>>>are in widespread use or considered the de-facto standard? If I go to the
>>>trouble of building a list serve environment, I'd like to increase the
>>>chances that my replacement will have worked with the tools I choose.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for your input,
>>>
>>>-John C.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Best regards,
> Jack L. Stone,
> Administrator
> 
> Sage American
> http://www.sage-american.com
> jacks@sage-american.com






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