I don't actively post much anymore to the list because our majordomo installation has been very stable and my users very happy as of late so I have been busy doing other stuff (PHPbb hacks, Mambo server, Flash stuff). But I couldn't help but notice this thread.
Daniel, you are definitely the MJ (Master Jedi) of Majordomo and all I have to say is that it takes a great man to admit when he has erred. Hat's off to you, Daniel! Hello to all in Majordomo-land!
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org]
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:32 PM
To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: Daniel Liston - tasting one two three
Very well stated Kenneth, and point taken, both here and all
the reminders I received in my personal mailbox that I could
have been much more polite. For that, I send an apology of
my own to the list.
No, I do not view this list as my personal microphone, and
everyone has a right to be heard. I will now humbly stick
my nose in the corner for a time-out until I can learn to be
polite, patient, and tolerant again.
Dan Liston
Ann & Mike, I'm sorry I flamed you. I would have taken
exactly the same recourse as you 6 or 7 years ago. If I
had to comment, it should have been in private. Please
don't associate the actions of one person having a bad
day (me) with the entire list. We really are a friendly
bunch here. Just check the last several years worth of
archives to see that this rarely happens. Please forgive
me.
Kenneth R. Brahmer wrote:
> Daniel Liston wrote,
> in response to a one line test message to the list
> by new members Ann & Mike :
> ------------------quote-----------------------------------------------------
> --
> This kind of test is about as rude as walking
> into the announcers booth at a football or soccer game,
> grabbing the microphone and saying "I'm new here, I only
> wanted to make sure this microphone is working. Please
> forgive me for the announcement.
> -------------------------end of
> quote-----------------------------------------------
> To Ann & Mike and any other new members let me say that Daniel Liston is the
> most knowledgeable and helpful majordomo guru you could ever meet. This list
> would be immeasurably damaged without his active participation. But Daniel
> is human and can err ( e.g. albeit not about majordomo). His reply, as a
> curt rebuke, is unlike his normally helpful and kind efforts on this list.
> Forgive him for a moment of testiness.
>
> To Daniel I say. You are to be commended for all your technically superior
> and charitable efforts. As much as it irritates the "super competent," new
> people must learn and often by mistake. Your frustration is understood.
> However!
> (1): This is a list which caters to message senders attempting to establish
> or maintain a communication system...not a football game with listeners
> whose interest is only the game. I can assure you that some of what I hear,
> from announcers in the booth, is much more distracting and irritable.
> (2): There is no one microphone to grab - unless you consider this forum to
> be your personal mouthpiece. Everyone here has a microphone and everyone is
> exposed to what everyone else says. Although a message that is intended to
> insure their microphone works might seem sophomoric, it was one line that
> concisely and apologetically related the facts and could be easily tuned
> out. If not by sending a message, how does one know if their microphone is
> working?
> (3): Your message only needed to be sent to Ann & Mike to make its point AND
> serve to advise them their microphone was working. As a guru your rebuke
> could have been made privately.
> (4): I'm sending this to the list because I wish to reach the entire
> audience to ensure new members don't get discouraged; to remind us all how
> easily uninitiated people can stumble yet deserve our patience; and to
> assure any new members that YOU Daniel Liston are worth listening to even if
> you get testy at times.
>
> Whistle blows...flag flies...Daniel gets penalized 5 yards for being off
> side...and the clock starts with the next message. The down is played over.
>
> In My Not So Humble Opinion (IMNSHO) <grin>
> But then I could be wrong.
> Ken
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