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Subject: Re: Wholesale blacklisting by AHBL
From: John Sechrest <sechrest @ peak . org>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:41:37 -0800
To: "Ed Gregory" <ed @ gregorynet . net>
Cc: "MajorDomo Administrator,MSER:EX" <Majordomo . Admin @ gems1 . gov . bc . ca>,Majordomo-Users @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:33:32 CST. <EPEFJIBFHCODDDPKEJOBGENOFAAA.ed@gregorynet.net>




Yes, we have the same problem here. 
It happens in many forms but all the same. AHBL is a new one, but the regular
RBL's have the same problem is you take the highest level of spam filtering.

You just have to clean yourself off the list on a semi-regular basis.




"Ed Gregory" <ed@gregorynet.net> writes:

 % Has anybody else found their mail servers black-listed by a group calling
 % itself the AHBL?
 % 
 % A small ISP in some rural podunk is using this outfits' blacklist. When this
 % AHBL outfit thinks it has found a spammer, they help their ISP customers
 % intercept income email from the entire 1,000-IP block to which that spammer
 % belongs.
 % 
 % For example, my server is 66.70.158.12 and a "known spammer" is 66.70.158.0.
 % 
 % The AHBL service identifies every IP between 66.70.158.0 and 66.70.158.999
 % as a spammer. They leave it up to those who are missing legitimate mail, and
 % the legitimate servers who are erroneously blocked, to come to them and beg
 % to be taken off the blacklist.
 % 
 % The result is that innocent mailing lists get labeled as spammers and ISP
 % customers don't get mail from anybody on those erroneously blacklisted
 % servers.
 % 
 % This, to my way of thinking, is flat-out libel. The AHBL and the ISPs who
 % use this blacklist know that the vast majority of IP addresses in the
 % blacklisted block are not spammers. Still, they report to ISPs and the ISPs
 % report to their individual consumers that the mail was blocked because it
 % came from the address of a known spammer.
 % 
 % My Web hosting clients pay me to provide services, including mailing lists
 % that reach their customers or members. The AHBL's false accusations have the
 % very real potential to keep my servers from delivering what my clients are
 % paying for.
 % 
 % This misguided "service" to ISP customers is actually a serious disservice,
 % but how to stop it? I can write the same explanatory diatribe to every ISP
 % who erroneously rejects mail from one of my lists, but that's an
 % administrative overload. And to set it up would mean going to dozens of
 % sites and setting up email aliases that send me a copy of every majordomo
 % admin mail that my clients received.
 % 
 % Anybody else have this nightmare experience with AHBL or anybody like them?
 % 
 % -Ed Gregory
 % GregoryNet
 % Web Consulting, Design, and Implementation
 % 

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                          .            more effectively
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                                 .       Internet: sechrest@peak.org
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