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Subject: Re: Wholesale blacklisting by AHBL
From: "Ed Gregory" <ed @ gregorynet . net>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:31:24 -0600
To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk @ queernet . org>
Cc: "MajorDomo Administrator, MSER:EX" <Majordomo . Admin @ gems1 . gov . bc . ca>,<Majordomo-Users @ greatcircle . com>
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(Roger - I stand corrected about the number of IP addresses in a block. I
apologizing for not realizing I had to know everything in order to get your
permission to be involved in Internet services.)

So the AHBL blacklist only blocks 255 innocent mail servers. It still poses
a very serious threat. It's something that list owners and managers need to
know about.

The ISP who used the AHBL's block-level blacklist to block my client's
mailing list didn't explain the nuances of the political motive behind
blacklisting an entire block of addresses. It simply told its customer:

"The reason why you are not receiving mail from pleiku pals is it appears
they are using a known spam relay (team4champions.com) to send out their
mailing list."

This was absolutely incorrect. It didn't say the customer's legitimate
income email was blocked because a group of activists want to pressure the
owner of an entire block IP addresses to do something (even if they could)
to stop the one identified spammer among that 256-address block. It simply
said, erroneously, that my client's email list was delivered through "known
spam relay."

The AHBL approach might divert bit a few drops from the river of spam. But
it also prevents ordinary people from receiving legitimate email from the
rest of the servers in that block. It blindly intercepts potentially
life-changing email from their employer or a potential new employer,
clients, customers, their bank, their lawyer, a lover, a friend.

This misguided activism has incalculable and perhaps permanent impact on the
lives of many, many innocent people.

People want ISPs to block spam. They don't want ISPs to interfere with their
legitimate email.


-Ed Gregory


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger B.A. Klorese [mailto:rogerk@queernet.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:29 AM
To: Ed Gregory
Cc: MajorDomo Administrator, MSER:EX; Majordomo-Users@greatcircle.com
Subject: Re: [majordomo-users] Wholesale blacklisting by AHBL


Ed Gregory wrote:
 > The AHBL service identifies every IP between 66.70.158.0 and
66.70.158.999
 > as a spammer.

No, they don't.

I'm not supporting their methods, but...

They're identifying every IP in that range (and, by the way, they only
go up to .255 -- perhaps you should learn some basic TCP/IP before being
in the hosting business?) as being *owned* by an ISP that supports
spammers -- putting economic pressure on you, their customer, to go
somewhere else.




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