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Subject: Re: AOL user's post not delivered to other AOL addresses
From: "Doty, Robert" <Robert . Doty @ xerox . com>
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:29:42 -0500
To: "Lane" <lane @ joeandlane . com>, <ClayGoss @ gosscomputerprojects . net>, <majordomo-users @ greatcircle . com>
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Thread-topic: AOL user's post not delivered to other AOL addresses

I too had this problem.  This was happening to me because AOL is only
allowing e-mail from non-dhcp IP addresses.  If your server is a home
server and you didn't pay for a static IP address, you will get this
error 'till the cows come home.  To get around this, I found someone
that would allow me to use their mail server to relay.  There server has
a static IP.  Works like a charm now.

Thanks,

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: majordomo-users-owner @
 greatcircle .
 com
[mailto:majordomo-users-owner @
 greatcircle .
 com] On Behalf Of Lane
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 4:03 PM
To: ClayGoss @
 gosscomputerprojects .
 net; majordomo-users @
 greatcircle .
 com
Subject: Re: AOL user's post not delivered to other AOL addresses

On Sunday 11 February 2007 13:53, Clay Goss wrote:
> When a list subscriber with an AOL address posts to the list, I get
this
> long error message from an AOL system with error messages like:
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> listname @
 listserver .
 listdomain .
 net on 2/11/2007 1:54 PM
>             The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but
did
> not report a specific reason.  Check the address and try
> again.  If it still fails, contact your system administrator.
>             < listserver.listdomain.net #5.0.0 SMTP; 554-:  (RLY:SN)
> http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rlysn.html>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> While it doesn't give the email address it is refusing to relay to,
the
> number of these messages roughly matches the number of AOL addresses
in my
> list.
>
> Any thoughts?
Clay,

I've been 'round-n-round' with AOL about this - for over three years.  I
get 
on their "white-list" and their policies change and things reject again.

As I understand it, the current AOL policy is that when a certain
trigger 
amount of email messages come from an individual ip (which is not
otherwise a 
paying and/or "approved" email "service provider") over the course of a 
finite number of minutes, seconds, or whatever ... then AOL rejects 
everything AFTER the trigger has been tripped.

In practice what I find is that usually two or three AOL users will
receive 
the email but all of the others do not.  And then I receive the lenghty 
rejection messages you mention.

As a stop-gap measure, I have built an archival system which posts all 
majordomo email to a web page for the users to view.  That means that 
everyone in the world can view the email, but only majordomo-registered
users 
can send.  It does not solve the problem, but it does get around it in
some 
ways.

I think a real solution would be to throttle the outgoing messages, so
that 
only a couple are "released" every five or so minutes.  But I'm fed up
with 
trying to deal with AOL so I haven't done the necessary research to
implement 
this plan.

hth

lane
P.S.


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