From majordomo-workers-owner Sat Jul 1 05:24:12 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id BAA22018; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.eyup.org (unknown [194.164.53.193]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A5BD017EDF for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id JAA144.53; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:54:04 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:54:03 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo on non-Unix platforms Message-ID: <20000701095403.K12480@eyup.org> References: <20000701021953.J12480@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: ; from The Hermit Hacker on Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 11:12:04PM -0300 X-Operating-System: OS/2 Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 11:12:04PM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, John Poltorak wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 05:40:02PM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > > >>>>> "JP" == John Poltorak writes: > > > > > > JP> I have been looking at trying to get Majordomo working on OS/2, and am > > > JP> pleasantly surprised at how well some of it works. > > > > > > What version? > > > > 1.94.5 > > > > > I tried to structure the Majordomo2 code such that the tough > > > Unixisms (file locking, and syslog, mainly) were in separate modules. Not > > > having access to any non-Unix platforms, though, I haven't actually tried > > > to do much. > > > > If I can get hold of this version I'd like to try it out. > > ftp://ftp.hub.org/pub/Majordomo2 has a snapshot of it as of 4am EST this > morning ... Thanks, I just grabbed it and ran perl Makefile.PL. It looks as though it could be a while before I can get it running as my Perl installation is incomplete. Here are the errors I got:- Checking for Mail::Internet (v1.3) not found **** Majordomo requires Mail::Internet version 1.3 or greater! Checking for Mail::Header (v1.1) not found **** Majordomo requires Mail::Header version 1.1 or greater! Checking for MIME::Base64 (v2) ok: found v2.08 Checking for IO::Wrap (v1.101) not found **** Majordomo requires IO::Wrap version 1.101 or greater! Checking for MIME::Tools (v4.119) not found **** Majordomo requires MIME::Tools version 4.119 or greater! Checking for Data::Dumper (v2.07) ok: found v2.10 Checking for Date::Manip (v5.1) not found **** Majordomo requires Date::Manip version 5.1 or greater! Checking for CGI (v2.36) ok: found v2.42 Checking for MD5 (v1.7) ok: found v2.00 Checking for IO::Socket (v1.1602) ok: found v1.1603 Checking for IO::File (any) ok: found v1.06021 Checking for IO::Handle (any) ok: found v1.1505 Checking for Date::Format (any) ok: found v2.09 Checking for DirHandle (any) ok: found unknown version Checking for Safe (any) ok: found v2.06 Checking for POSIX (any) ok: found v1.02 Checking for Net::Domain (any) ok: found v2.07 Checking for File::Copy (any) ok: found v2.02 Checking for Fcntl (any) ok: found v1.03 Checking for Carp (any) ok: found unknown version Checking for Time::Local (any) ok: found unknown version Checking for DB_File (v1.63) found v1.60 Some modules which Majordomo requires were not found. You should fetch them from a CPAN site of your choice, or, if the CPAN module is properly set up, you can install them by running the following commands as a user capable of installing modules: perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("Mail::Internet")' perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("Mail::Header")' perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("IO::Wrap")' perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("MIME::Tools")' perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("Date::Manip")' Checking for Sys::Syslog and headers **** Majordomo needs a properly configured Perl system. We tried to use the Sys::Syslog module, but it failed with the following error: Can't locate syslog.ph in @INC (did you run h2ph?) (@INC contains: f:/perllib/lib/5.00553/os2 f:/perllib/lib/5.00553 f:/perllib/lib/site_perl/5.00553/os2 f:/perllib/lib/site_perl/5.00553 .) at f:/perllib/lib/5.00553/Sys/Syslog.pm line 117. Errors here are generally problems with the Perl installation. Sys::Syslog requires the file syslog.ph, which is supposed to be generated by running the h2ph program. If syslog.ph was not found, it can be generated by executing the following as root: cd /usr/include;h2ph * sys/* Some machines may additionally require h2ph machine/* and possibly other directories. If there was a syntax error, it is possible that h2ph generated improper code. This should be investigated and possibly reported to the perl developers. Consult the Perl documentation for further information. Majordomo will not run until this is fixed. Majordomo cannot run without its prerequisite modules. -- John From majordomo-workers-owner Sat Jul 1 05:24:30 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id DAA27177; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 03:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.eyup.org (unknown [194.164.53.193]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B68A17E89 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 03:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id LAA145.23; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:55:29 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:55:28 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo on non-Unix platforms Message-ID: <20000701115528.L12480@eyup.org> References: <20000630204704.I12480@eyup.org> <20000701021953.J12480@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: ; from Jason L Tibbitts III on Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 10:03:29PM -0500 X-Operating-System: OS/2 Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 10:03:29PM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "JP" == John Poltorak writes: > > JP> If I can get hold of this version I'd like to try it out. > > An old web page is at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo/; the instructions > there on grabbing the source from CVS are up-to-date. I grabbed it earlier and it really does look like a big effort to get it running since there are so many deficiencies in my Perl installation. I'll have to stick at getting 1.94.5 working properly for the time being. Is it OK to discuss 1.94.5 on this list? > JP> seek(IN, - length($_), 1); > > That's understandably busted. Fortunately we don't do that in Mj2. > > JP> I'm not sufficiently familiar with Perl to know if there are any > JP> options for getting round this. > > To support the old approval methods in Mj2, we do a tell at the beginning > of each line and then seek back to it instead of relying on the length of > $_ to be equal to the number of bytes we have to rewind. Just wondered why you would need a re-read. Can't you read the header into an array of some description? > JP> Unlink does delete files *sometimes*, but AFAIAA, files in use can be > JP> 'unlinked', whereas on OS/2 (and probably DOS & NT) you can't 'delete' > JP> files which are in use. > > That's a sad limitation; it is a very common procedure under Unix systems > to open a file and then delete it. I am not sure if we do it anywhere in > the code or not, or if any of the modules we use does it. I'm all for utilising the best features of any platform without using the lowest common denominator. Maybe it would be possible to isolate all system specific code into a single module and leave it to any porter to concentrate on making that module work on their chosen platform... (just thinking aloud, without examining the feasibility of doing this) > - J< -- John From majordomo-workers-owner Sat Jul 1 10:13:22 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA03732; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epithumia.math.uh.edu (epithumia.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA0217E89 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by epithumia.math.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28267; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:05:18 -0500 To: John Poltorak Cc: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo on non-Unix platforms References: <20000630204704.I12480@eyup.org> <20000701021953.J12480@eyup.org> <20000701115528.L12480@eyup.org> From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 01 Jul 2000 12:05:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: John Poltorak's message of "Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:55:28 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "JP" == John Poltorak writes: JP> Is it OK to discuss 1.94.5 on this list? Sure, but I don't know that you'll get many answers, since the bulk of the work is progressing on Majordomo2. I wrote a good portion of the Mj1 code that you're looking at, but I have no intention of working on it again. JP> Just wondered why you would need a re-read. Can't you read the header JP> into an array of some description? You could do whatever you wanted, I suppose, if you had no interest in speed or code simplicity. The way it's done now is simple and makes a whole lot of sense; there's no buffering of what could be an arbitrarily large message and the parser takes a filehandle from which it expects to read a message. The fact that we may have read out a bunch of stuff (i.e. a header we don't need and an approve line) doesn't matter. - J< From majordomo-workers-owner Sat Jul 1 22:15:17 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id WAA10404; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat207.176.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.207.176]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC1017E89 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03445; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:14:31 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:14:31 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: John Poltorak Cc: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo on non-Unix platforms In-Reply-To: <20000701095403.K12480@eyup.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Okay, I'm lost here ... the modules that you are missing are a simple download and 'perl Makefile.PL;make;make install' ... and the syslog error you report is a simple matter of running the h2ph command ... IMHO, the functionality in Mj2, and the fact that ppl are actively working on it, are justification enough for the 20 minutes or so that it would take to "get your perl installation up to speed" ... no? On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, John Poltorak wrote: > On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 11:12:04PM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, John Poltorak wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 05:40:02PM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > > > >>>>> "JP" == John Poltorak writes: > > > > > > > > JP> I have been looking at trying to get Majordomo working on OS/2, and am > > > > JP> pleasantly surprised at how well some of it works. > > > > > > > > What version? > > > > > > 1.94.5 > > > > > > > I tried to structure the Majordomo2 code such that the tough > > > > Unixisms (file locking, and syslog, mainly) were in separate modules. Not > > > > having access to any non-Unix platforms, though, I haven't actually tried > > > > to do much. > > > > > > If I can get hold of this version I'd like to try it out. > > > > ftp://ftp.hub.org/pub/Majordomo2 has a snapshot of it as of 4am EST this > > morning ... > > Thanks, I just grabbed it and ran perl Makefile.PL. > > It looks as though it could be a while before I can get it > running as my Perl installation is incomplete. > > Here are the errors I got:- > > Checking for Mail::Internet (v1.3) not found > **** Majordomo requires Mail::Internet version 1.3 or greater! > Checking for Mail::Header (v1.1) not found > **** Majordomo requires Mail::Header version 1.1 or greater! > Checking for MIME::Base64 (v2) ok: found v2.08 > Checking for IO::Wrap (v1.101) not found > **** Majordomo requires IO::Wrap version 1.101 or greater! > Checking for MIME::Tools (v4.119) not found > **** Majordomo requires MIME::Tools version 4.119 or greater! > Checking for Data::Dumper (v2.07) ok: found v2.10 > Checking for Date::Manip (v5.1) not found > **** Majordomo requires Date::Manip version 5.1 or greater! > Checking for CGI (v2.36) ok: found v2.42 > Checking for MD5 (v1.7) ok: found v2.00 > Checking for IO::Socket (v1.1602) ok: found v1.1603 > Checking for IO::File (any) ok: found v1.06021 > Checking for IO::Handle (any) ok: found v1.1505 > Checking for Date::Format (any) ok: found v2.09 > Checking for DirHandle (any) ok: found unknown version > Checking for Safe (any) ok: found v2.06 > Checking for POSIX (any) ok: found v1.02 > Checking for Net::Domain (any) ok: found v2.07 > Checking for File::Copy (any) ok: found v2.02 > Checking for Fcntl (any) ok: found v1.03 > Checking for Carp (any) ok: found unknown version > Checking for Time::Local (any) ok: found unknown version > Checking for DB_File (v1.63) found v1.60 > > Some modules which Majordomo requires were not found. You should fetch > them from a CPAN site of your choice, or, if the CPAN module is properly > set up, you can install them by running the following commands as a user > capable of installing modules: > > perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("Mail::Internet")' > perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("Mail::Header")' > perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("IO::Wrap")' > perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("MIME::Tools")' > perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("Date::Manip")' > > Checking for Sys::Syslog and headers > **** Majordomo needs a properly configured Perl system. > > We tried to use the Sys::Syslog module, but it failed with the following error: > > Can't locate syslog.ph in @INC (did you run h2ph?) (@INC contains: f:/perllib/lib/5.00553/os2 f:/perllib/lib/5.00553 f:/perllib/lib/site_perl/5.00553/os2 f:/perllib/lib/site_perl/5.00553 .) at f:/perllib/lib/5.00553/Sys/Syslog.pm line 117. > > > Errors here are generally problems with the Perl installation. Sys::Syslog > requires the file syslog.ph, which is supposed to be generated by running > the h2ph program. If syslog.ph was not found, it can be > generated by executing the following as root: > > cd /usr/include;h2ph * sys/* > > Some machines may additionally require > > h2ph machine/* > > and possibly other directories. > > If there was a syntax error, it is possible that h2ph generated improper > code. This should be investigated and possibly reported to the perl > developers. > > Consult the Perl documentation for further information. Majordomo will not > run until this is fixed. > > Majordomo cannot run without its prerequisite modules. > > > -- > John > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org From majordomo-workers-owner Sun Jul 2 03:42:31 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id DAA24433; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 03:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.eyup.org (unknown [194.164.53.193]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F71917E89 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 03:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id LAA153.92; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:36:50 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:36:50 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo on non-Unix platforms Message-ID: <20000702113649.X12480@eyup.org> References: <20000701095403.K12480@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: ; from The Hermit Hacker on Sun, Jul 02, 2000 at 02:14:31AM -0300 X-Operating-System: OS/2 Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jul 02, 2000 at 02:14:31AM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Okay, I'm lost here ... the modules that you are missing are a simple > download and 'perl Makefile.PL;make;make install' ... and the syslog error > you report is a simple matter of running the h2ph command ... IMHO, the > functionality in Mj2, and the fact that ppl are actively working on it, > are justification enough for the 20 minutes or so that it would take to > "get your perl installation up to speed" ... no? Thanks for suggesting this. I will give it a try. My initial thought was that there were just too many errors here and I must have done something wrong with the installation of Perl, which looks like a huge package compared with the previous version and one I'm not at all comfortable with yet. I'll try running h2ph and see how many errors I'm left with then. One error which stands out is this one:- > > Checking for DB_File (v1.63) found v1.60 Running h2ph may sort out the other errors, but I suspect this will remain. How critical is this version of DB_File? > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org -- John From majordomo-workers-owner Sun Jul 2 08:27:37 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA27568; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat207.176.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.207.176]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7655317EB7 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07811; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:29:19 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:29:19 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: John Poltorak Cc: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo on non-Unix platforms In-Reply-To: <20000702113649.X12480@eyup.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, John Poltorak wrote: > On Sun, Jul 02, 2000 at 02:14:31AM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > Okay, I'm lost here ... the modules that you are missing are a simple > > download and 'perl Makefile.PL;make;make install' ... and the syslog error > > you report is a simple matter of running the h2ph command ... IMHO, the > > functionality in Mj2, and the fact that ppl are actively working on it, > > are justification enough for the 20 minutes or so that it would take to > > "get your perl installation up to speed" ... no? > > Thanks for suggesting this. I will give it a try. My initial thought > was that there were just too many errors here and I must have done > something wrong with the installation of Perl, which looks like a > huge package compared with the previous version and one I'm not > at all comfortable with yet. I'll try running h2ph and see how many > errors I'm left with then. One error which stands out is this one:- > > > > Checking for DB_File (v1.63) found v1.60 > > Running h2ph may sort out the other errors, but I suspect this will > remain. How critical is this version of DB_File? Go to: http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/ and download/install the modules that are out of sync, that's all ... in particular, this one is found in: http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/DB_File/ And is at version 1.73 (always download the newest version) ... From majordomo-workers-owner Sun Jul 2 14:40:50 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id OAA06609; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epithumia.math.uh.edu (epithumia.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F7117E89 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by epithumia.math.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30312; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:37:11 -0500 To: John Poltorak Cc: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Majordomo on non-Unix platforms References: <20000701095403.K12480@eyup.org> <20000702113649.X12480@eyup.org> From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Jul 2000 16:37:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: John Poltorak's message of "Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:36:50 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "JP" == John Poltorak writes: JP> Running h2ph may sort out the other errors, but I suspect this will JP> remain. How critical is this version of DB_File? I specified the version I tested under as the minimum. Lower versions may actually work, but I have no evidence that they do. It's trivial to upgrade the module in any case. - J< From majordomo-workers-owner Sun Jul 2 15:10:51 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA06924; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.eyup.org (unknown [194.164.53.193]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FE7917E89 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id XAA158.93; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:15:58 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:15:57 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Debugging output to file Message-ID: <20000702231557.D12480@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i X-Operating-System: OS/2 Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Are there any debugging options in MJ 1.94.5 which allow full debugging with all output directed to a debug logfile? I'm very close to having this version working under OS/2 but get this error msg when anyone subscribes remotely:- ABORT Error closing c:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/os2-test: Invalid argument This msg appears cosmetic insofar as the operation of Majordomo proceeds correctly and users do manage to subscribe. Also, is there any way to set debug options from WRAPPER, either via the environment or using command line options. I am aware of the debug variables within various Majordomo scripts but would be handy to switch them on and off without editing the scripts. -- John From majordomo-workers-owner Sun Jul 2 20:10:50 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA11265; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rina.torah.org (rina.torah.org [208.229.147.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1159C17E89 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brozen@localhost) by rina.torah.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA02994; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:13:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:13:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Brock Rozen To: John Poltorak Cc: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Debugging output to file In-Reply-To: <20000702231557.D12480@eyup.org> Message-ID: X-Backup: Disabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 at 23:15, John Poltorak wrote about "Debugging output to...": > I'm very close to having this version working under OS/2 but > get this error msg when anyone subscribes remotely:- IMHO, a waste of time because Mj2 is being actively worked on. Mj 1.94.5 (or whatever else of Mj1) is not longer being actively developed. -- Brock Rozen brozen@torah.org From majordomo-workers-owner Sun Jul 2 21:55:49 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA12067; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epithumia.math.uh.edu (epithumia.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84C717E89 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by epithumia.math.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30892; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:59:27 -0500 To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Debugging output to file References: From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Jul 2000 23:59:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: Brock Rozen's message of "Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:13:45 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "BR" == Brock Rozen writes: BR> IMHO, a waste of time because Mj2 is being actively worked on. Mj BR> 1.94.5 (or whatever else of Mj1) is not longer being actively BR> developed. It's probably less effort for him. Mj2 would probably take more than he has to offer, although in the long run it would be nice if someone did the necessary work to get Mj2 going on a non-Unix platform. - J< From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 3 01:41:12 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id BAA14637; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.eyup.org (unknown [194.164.53.193]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D58CD17E89 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id JAA162.91; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:44:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:44:17 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Debugging output to file Message-ID: <20000703094416.J12480@eyup.org> References: <20000702231557.D12480@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: ; from Brock Rozen on Sun, Jul 02, 2000 at 11:13:45PM -0400 X-Operating-System: OS/2 Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jul 02, 2000 at 11:13:45PM -0400, Brock Rozen wrote: > On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 at 23:15, John Poltorak wrote about "Debugging output to...": > > > I'm very close to having this version working under OS/2 but > > get this error msg when anyone subscribes remotely:- > > IMHO, a waste of time because Mj2 is being actively worked on. Mj 1.94.5 > (or whatever else of Mj1) is not longer being actively developed. >From my perspective, I primarily need a working mailing list manager to run on OS/2. Mj 1.94.5 has been out for several years and is proven, and it is almost working properly, whereas I haven't been able to install Mj2 so far. I am not try to add functionality to it, just get rid of a few glitches which occur by virtue of running in a foreign environment. > -- > Brock Rozen brozen@torah.org -- John From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 3 12:13:34 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA22978; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix, from userid 1013) id B1EA417E89; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magrathea.epr.com (magrathea.epr.com [198.3.163.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED5A17E89 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magrathea.epr.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) id QAA03154 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maguro.epr.com(198.3.162.27) by magrathea.epr.com via smap (3.2) id xma003128; Wed, 28 Jun 00 16:55:09 -0700 Received: from exchange.epr.com (exchange.epr.com [198.3.162.249]) by maguro.epr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04743 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sarnold.epr.com (10.2.1.75 [10.2.1.75]) by exchange.epr.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id NB40YB05; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:53:32 -0700 Received: from sarnold by sarnold.epr.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 137Rbz-00041M-00 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:51:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:51:19 -0700 From: Seth Arnold To: Majordomo-Workers@greatcircle.com Subject: silly question Message-ID: <20000628165119.B15128@intertrust.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have a quick question .. I screwed up my subscription to a majordomo-controlled mailing list and got a huge response back. What would happen if a user were to do the following? echo "subscribe badlist majordomo@hosta.com" | mail majordomo@hostb.com I have a feeling the two would message each other for quite some time, chewing up a few K with each email. Are there protections in majordomo against this? (If not, the easiest I can think of that would probably help, would be an "end" or line of dashes at the top of the introductory email..) Thanks :) From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 3 12:28:27 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA22758; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix, from userid 1013) id ED6FE17E89; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F8017E89; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: [from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox 2.1) with ESMTP id MAA04354; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:07:04 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (nombre.risc.sps.mot.com [163.2.128.3]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with ESMTP id MAA28330; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:07:00 -0700 (MST)] Received: from miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (miaow.risc.sps.mot.com [163.2.131.12]) by nombre.risc.sps.mot.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16527; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:06:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dwolfe@localhost) by miaow.risc.sps.mot.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id OAA18958; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:06:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:06:58 -0500 From: Dave Wolfe To: "Chawla, Jay" Cc: "'majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com'" , "'majordomo-docs@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: FW: using majordomo to invalidate patents Message-ID: <20000626140657.A17348@risc.sps.mot.com> References: <7FEDB62047F5D311ACA1009027403503080F9D@reexchange.cooley.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <7FEDB62047F5D311ACA1009027403503080F9D@reexchange.cooley.com>; from Chawla, Jay on Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 12:10:50PM -0400 Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [ Chawla, Jay writes: ] > > > > I am trying to invalidate 2 patents filed on February 1, 1996 that claim > > functionality that I believe existed in majordomo prior to February 1, > > 1995. (Anything that does what a patent claims more than 1 year before > > the filing date of the patent invalidates the patent.) [...] > > Does majordomo (and message digests) do these things? [...] > > o A group messaging server (GMS) that receives messages addressed to a > > group and forwards those messages to all group members Yes. > > o An ability for someone to create a messaging group by sending a message > > to the GMS with the name of the new group Not in versions prior to 1999 (1998?). > > o An ability for someone to send a message to the GMS specifying a group, > > and have the GMS add that person to the group Yes. > > o An ability for someone to send a message to the GMS specifying a group, > > and have the GMS delete that person from the group Yes. > > o Every group has a name. To send a message to the group, a person sends > > the message to the GMS with the name of the group Sort of, actually the message is sent to the "group name" instead of the "GMS". > > o The GMS can 'aggregate' messages -- that is, it can take a sequence of > > messages to a group, glob them together and send the resulting big message > > to the group Yes. > > If majordomo did any (not necessarily all) of these things prior to > > February 1, 1995, I would *very much* appreciate if you could point me to > > any source code and other documentation with documented > > publication/distribution dates prior to February 1995, that could be used > > to prove it. > > > > I am aware of Brent Chapman's 1992 paper in LISA VI, but I need something > > with more detail that documents the above described functionality from the > > patents. I am also able to get the source code for Release 1.94.5 from > > the web, but I believe that that release is too recent to be useful in > > invalidating the patents. My copy of Mj 1.93 documents being released on Tue Jan 10 18:33:22 1995. A compressed tar file of 1.93 is available from ftp://www.greatcircle.com/OLD/majordomo-1.93.tar.Z as are various other supporting files in that directory. Archives of the various Mj mail lists are also available from http://www.greatcircle.com/archive/ which date back to 1992. Let us know how this turns out. -- Dave Wolfe From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 3 12:43:26 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA22791; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix, from userid 1013) id 629D017E89; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org (camaro.sonny.org [205.217.137.151]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF0B17E89; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daniel.sonny.org (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by sonny.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA10637; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:01:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netscape.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daniel.sonny.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22279; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:00:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3957B660.4C63EB27@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:00:32 -0500 From: Dan Liston Organization: iPlanet E-Commerce Solutions, A Sun Netscape Alliance X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Chawla, Jay" Cc: "'majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com'" , "'majordomo-docs@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: FW: using majordomo to invalidate patents References: <7FEDB62047F5D311ACA1009027403503080F9D@reexchange.cooley.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Have you considered asking Brent Chapman these questions directly? I know the latest version does most of these, yet I do not know any that will do bullet #2. In fact, #2 unless the "someone" is the mail administrator, would be considered a huge security hole. Theft of resources, etc. Dan Liston "Chawla, Jay" wrote: > > > Dear Majordomo developers: > > > > I am trying to invalidate 2 patents filed on February 1, 1996 that claim > > functionality that I believe existed in majordomo prior to February 1, > > 1995. (Anything that does what a patent claims more than 1 year before > > the filing date of the patent invalidates the patent.) > > > > Roughly speaking, these patents claim: > > > > o A group messaging server (GMS) that receives messages addressed to a > > group and forwards those messages to all group members > > o An ability for someone to create a messaging group by sending a message > > to the GMS with the name of the new group > > o An ability for someone to send a message to the GMS specifying a group, > > and have the GMS add that person to the group > > o An ability for someone to send a message to the GMS specifying a group, > > and have the GMS delete that person from the group > > o Every group has a name. To send a message to the group, a person sends > > the message to the GMS with the name of the group > > o The GMS can 'aggregate' messages -- that is, it can take a sequence of > > messages to a group, glob them together and send the resulting big message > > to the group > > > > Does majordomo (and message digests) do these things? It would not be > > sufficient if the 'GMS' just told a sender who the group members are -- > > the routing has to follow what's in the patent. I.e., the GMS must: > > > > 1. receive a message specifying a group > > 2. forward that message to everyone in the group, possibly aggregating > > the messages > > > > If majordomo did any (not necessarily all) of these things prior to > > February 1, 1995, I would *very much* appreciate if you could point me to > > any source code and other documentation with documented > > publication/distribution dates prior to February 1995, that could be used > > to prove it. > > > > I am aware of Brent Chapman's 1992 paper in LISA VI, but I need something > > with more detail that documents the above described functionality from the > > patents. I am also able to get the source code for Release 1.94.5 from > > the web, but I believe that that release is too recent to be useful in > > invalidating the patents. > > > > Thank you for any help you can give me! Also, if you have any questions, > > do not hesitate to contact me via email or telephone. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jay Chawla > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Jay Chawla, Patent Agent Cooley Godward LLP > > > > *Voice: 703-456-8141 One Freedom Square > > > > *Fax: 703-456-8100 Reston Town Center > > > > *E-Mail: jchawla@cooley.com 11951 Freedom Drive, Suite 1700 > > http://www.cooley.com/reston/ Reston, VA 20190-5601 > > This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and > > may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > > review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > > intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy > > all copies of the original message. > > From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 3 12:58:26 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA22929; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix, from userid 1013) id 0AA6917EB5; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux.scd.net (unknown [63.225.19.84]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9695317E89 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pschon_01 ([10.0.0.5]) by linux.scd.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08233 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:11:26 -0600 From: "Peter J. Schoenster" To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:20:23 -0600 Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable - one user indicates all wrong Reply-To: webmaster@rede.com Message-ID: <3958FE77.1182.16AFE97@localhost> References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a very small list (30 users~) 29 at the same domain and 1 outside. One of the users of the 29 has exceeded his mail quota. If I send to the list then I get a message back that indicates that every email created an error ... yet the mail still goes out to everyone. I removed the person who exceeded his quota and there was no error message sent back to me. This does not seem normal. Here is the error email sent back to me: Date sent: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:39:46 -0600 (MDT) From: MAILER- DAEMON@scdthe_domain.summitdesign.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable To: owner-pete-list@the_domain.com The original message was received at Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:38:40 -0600 (MDT) from scdthe_domain@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- morethan8@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) adouglas@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) hlawrenc (expanded from: hlawrence@the_domain.com) pli@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) ppressle (expanded from: ppressley@the_domain.com) mprovenz (expanded from: mprovenzano@the_domain.com) sburks@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) lcohen@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) tdowdy@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) adrummon (expanded from: adrummond@the_domain.com) mkausch@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) dowens@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) bschluet (expanded from: bschlueter@the_domain.com) athorp@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) srhodes@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) kwensing@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) scastro@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) rkuramot (expanded from: rkuramoto@the_domain.com) llabrado@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) clopez@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) mmendez@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) crodrigu (expanded from: crodriguez@the_domain.com) jsaiget@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) tarriaga@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) gcornejo@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) tjones@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) rjunker@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) ksmith@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) aweeks@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) cpellock@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) dcarstar (expanded from: dcarstarphen@the_domain.com) ljones@the_domain.com (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- list) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- imail: mail quota exceeded: mkausch 554 morethan8@the_domain.com,adouglas@the_domain.com,hla wrenc,pli@the_domain.com,ppressle,mprove nz,sburks@the_domain.com,lcohen@...the_domain.com,rjunk er@the_domain.com,ksmith@the_domain.com,awe eks@the_domain.com,cpellock@the_domain.com,dcarstar,ljo nes@the_domain.com... Service unavailable ----- Original message follows ----- snipped __________________________ A Used Book is a Good Book From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 3 13:29:01 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA23736; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kachina.jetcafe.org (kachina.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51ACE17E89 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ee-nt.climber.org (eckert@netcom10.netcom.com [199.183.9.110]) by kachina.jetcafe.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20369; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000703131311.00c36980@pop.climber.org> X-Sender: eckert@pop.climber.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:22:31 -0700 To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM, mj2-dev@csf.colorado.edu From: SRE Subject: updating Mj2 by a non-privileged user Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I need to update Mj2 without bothering the system owner. Mj2's install does a bunch of chown and chmod, and of course that won't work unless you're root. Is there any way to re-install without being root? I'm not talking about the first pass, I'm talking about installing bug fixes and/or enhancements. This might require bypassing calls to chown and chmod if the files haven't changed, or perhaps a two stage install that updated the libraries separately from updating the wrappers. Any thoughts? Tricks? Experiences? Thanks in advance! SRE mailto:eckert@climber.org | http://www.climber.org/eckert/ Info on peak climbing email lists mailto:info@climber.org Chance favors prepared minds. (Czech proverb) From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 3 16:28:27 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA25719; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rina.torah.org (rina.torah.org [208.229.147.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0E517E89 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brozen@localhost) by rina.torah.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA15165; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:17:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Brock Rozen To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Debugging output to file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Backup: Disabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 2 Jul 2000 at 23:59, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote about "Re: Debugging...": > BR> IMHO, a waste of time because Mj2 is being actively worked on. Mj > BR> 1.94.5 (or whatever else of Mj1) is not longer being actively > BR> developed. > > It's probably less effort for him. Mj2 would probably take more than he > has to offer, although in the long run it would be nice if someone did the > necessary work to get Mj2 going on a non-Unix platform. Probably. But then he is still left with a system that has security issues (well, maybe not if he's coverting it to OS/2) and no-support. Mj2 has many more features, so once he did the conversion it would probably be little work for any new features to be implemented. But, of course, the decision is always up to him. -- Brock Rozen brozen@torah.org From majordomo-workers-owner Thu Jul 6 07:12:12 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA08548; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rina.torah.org (rina.torah.org [208.229.147.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D4717E89 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brozen@localhost) by rina.torah.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA21805; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:55:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:55:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Brock Rozen To: Mj2 Development Lists , mj2-dev@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Sys::CpuLoad Message-ID: X-Backup: Disabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, Might it be worthwhile to make use of this module to have Mj2 "sleep" a few seconds if the load on the system is above x? (where x is configurable during install) We had a crude version of this in Mj1. It might even be worthwhile to implement this on a per domain basis -- such as to give priority to certain domains. Thanks, -- Brock Rozen brozen@torah.org From majordomo-workers-owner Thu Jul 6 08:57:11 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA09522; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epithumia.math.uh.edu (epithumia.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C31117E89 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by epithumia.math.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03953; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:32:21 -0500 To: Brock Rozen Cc: Mj2 Development Lists , mj2-dev@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Sys::CpuLoad References: From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Jul 2000 10:32:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: Brock Rozen's message of "Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:55:40 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "BR" == Brock Rozen writes: BR> Might it be worthwhile to make use of this module to have Mj2 "sleep" a BR> few seconds if the load on the system is above x? Even better would be to terminate with an exit code that tells the MTA to queue and try us again later. That way we don't sit around in RAM. BR> We had a crude version of this in Mj1. But it was really crude. I haven't looked into Sys::CPULoad for some time, but when I did it didn't support very many systems. If it's progressed any, perhaps it's time to look into it again. BR> It might even be worthwhile to implement this on a per domain basis -- BR> such as to give priority to certain domains. We already have a priority mechanism for domains and lists within them. This isn't hooked up very well, but look at the -P and -p options to mj_enqueue. - J< From majordomo-workers-owner Thu Jul 6 15:27:08 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA13242; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonusdc3.sonusnet.com (mail.sonusnet.com [63.99.71.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6866717E89 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skarn.sonusnet.com ([10.1.1.70]) by sonusdc3.sonusnet.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 31QPP187; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:26:24 -0400 Received: (from tgoodman@localhost) by skarn.sonusnet.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id SAA02527 for majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:26:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skarn.sonusnet.com: tgoodman set sender to tgoodman@sonusnet.com using -f Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:26:20 -0400 From: Todd Goodman To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Problems Building/Running Majordomo 2.0 Message-ID: <20000706182620.C1871@skarn.sonusnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.4i X-Editor: Vim-507 http://www.vim.org/ Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from Todd Goodman ----- From: Todd Goodman Subject: Problems Building/Running Majordomo 2.0 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: <20000704125448.A13393@skarn.sonusnet.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.4i X-Editor: Vim-507 http://www.vim.org/ X-Editor: Vim-507 http://www.vim.org/ To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Apologies if this is the wrong place to mention this. I'm running Linux (2.2.14-5.0) with perl 5.6.0. I grabbed the snapshot from 2000-05-19 and built everything, tests ran OK (except for message 'Can't call method "DESTROY" on an undefined value' at times). I can run mj_shell, set up lists and subscribe via email. However, I cannot run anything via the web interface. I get the error: Insecure dependency in require while running setuid at /usr/local/majordomo/lib/Majordomo.pm line 152. I've checked the archives and found mention of this problem, but the solution (don't run setuid/setgid) doesn't work with MJ2 as far as I can tell (in my setup). I require the wrappers (I tried configuring without and got the failure during install). Also, it seems that all mail to majordomo or that list are sitting in the QUEUE directory and not being sent out. Thinking that perhaps latest CVS would be better I grabbed all the latest source today (4-Jul-2000) and did a 'perl Makefile.PL; make; make test' and received many errors like: t/shell.............ok 1/14Can't locate auto/Mj/Parser/function_pr.al in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/majordomo/lib . blib/lib /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i686-linux /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i686-linux /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl) at blib/lib/Mj/Parser.pm (autosplit into blib/lib/auto/Mj/Parser/parse_args.al) line 695 --== (in cleanup) Can't call method "DESTROY" on an undefined value at /usr/local/majordomo/lib/Mj/AliasList.pm line 61 during global destruction. Thanks for any help you can give. Thanks, Todd Goodman From majordomo-workers-owner Thu Jul 6 17:27:27 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id RAA14250; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epithumia.math.uh.edu (epithumia.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D01A17E89 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by epithumia.math.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05279; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:19:54 -0500 To: Todd Goodman Cc: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Problems Building/Running Majordomo 2.0 References: <20000706182620.C1871@skarn.sonusnet.com> From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Jul 2000 19:19:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: Todd Goodman's message of "Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:26:20 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "TG" == Todd Goodman writes: TG> I grabbed the snapshot from 2000-05-19 and built everything, tests ran You should either check the current code out of CVS or grab one of the nightly snapshots from ftp://ftp.hub.org/pub/Majordomo2. The web interfaces were rather immature when that snapshot was made. - J< From majordomo-workers-owner Fri Jul 7 04:14:43 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id EAA22764; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 04:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonusdc3.sonusnet.com (mail.sonusnet.com [63.99.71.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1350F17E89 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 04:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skarn.sonusnet.com ([10.1.1.70]) by sonusdc3.sonusnet.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 31QPPF82; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:14:46 -0400 Received: (from tgoodman@localhost) by skarn.sonusnet.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id HAA19857; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:14:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skarn.sonusnet.com: tgoodman set sender to tgoodman@sonusnet.com using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:14:43 -0400 From: Todd Goodman To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Problems Building/Running Majordomo 2.0 Message-ID: <20000707071443.D1871@skarn.sonusnet.com> References: <20000706182620.C1871@skarn.sonusnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.4i In-Reply-To: ; from tibbs@math.uh.edu on Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 07:19:54PM -0500 X-Editor: Vim-507 http://www.vim.org/ Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk * Jason L Tibbitts III [000706 20:19]: > >>>>> "TG" == Todd Goodman writes: > > TG> I grabbed the snapshot from 2000-05-19 and built everything, tests ran > > You should either check the current code out of CVS or grab one of the > nightly snapshots from ftp://ftp.hub.org/pub/Majordomo2. The web > interfaces were rather immature when that snapshot was made. > > - J< OK. Thanks very much. And apologies if that message shows up multiple times. Todd From majordomo-workers-owner Fri Jul 7 05:44:39 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id FAA23295; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 05:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonusdc3.sonusnet.com (mail.sonusnet.com [63.99.71.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A720417E89 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 05:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skarn.sonusnet.com ([10.1.1.70]) by sonusdc3.sonusnet.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 31QPPGF1; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:40:22 -0400 Received: (from tgoodman@localhost) by skarn.sonusnet.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id IAA21852 for majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:40:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skarn.sonusnet.com: tgoodman set sender to tgoodman@sonusnet.com using -f Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:40:19 -0400 From: Todd Goodman To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Problems Building/Running Majordomo 2.0 Message-ID: <20000707084019.F1871@skarn.sonusnet.com> References: <20000706182620.C1871@skarn.sonusnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.4i In-Reply-To: ; from tibbs@math.uh.edu on Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 07:19:54PM -0500 X-Editor: Vim-507 http://www.vim.org/ Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk * Jason L Tibbitts III [000706 22:02]: > You should either check the current code out of CVS or grab one of the > nightly snapshots from ftp://ftp.hub.org/pub/Majordomo2. The web > interfaces were rather immature when that snapshot was made. I grabbed the latest snapshot, but I'm still getting the following two errors when running 'make test' (just as I was with CVS as of a few days ago): t/shell.............NOK 10Can't locate auto/Mj/Parser/function_pr.al in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/majordomo/lib . blib/lib /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i686-linux /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i686-linux /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl) at blib/lib/Mj/Parser.pm (autosplit into blib/lib/auto/Mj/Parser/parse_args.al) line 695 --== (in cleanup) Can't call method "DESTROY" on an undefined value at /usr/local/majordomo/lib/Mj/AliasList.pm line 61 during global destruction. I can find a function_prop, but no mention of function_pr. Tips on where I should be looking are appreciated. Thanks, Todd From majordomo-workers-owner Sat Jul 8 10:57:17 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA12524; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org (camaro.sonny.org [205.217.137.151]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B6617E8A for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonny.org (daniel.sonny.org [205.217.137.65]) by sonny.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA12262; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:02:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39676CA9.CFBE5D3A@sonny.org> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 13:02:17 -0500 From: Dan Liston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: webmaster@rede.com Cc: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Returned mail: Service unavailable - one user indicates all wrong References: <3958FE77.1182.16AFE97@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This must be a limitation to how imail handles errors. Since all the addresses are in/on the same envelope, one rejected address is rejecting the entire envelope. By removing the offending address from the list, you effectively made service available again to the other 28 addresses. Dan Liston "Peter J. Schoenster" wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a very small list (30 users~) 29 at the same domain and > 1 outside. One of the users of the 29 has exceeded his mail > quota. If I send to the list then I get a message back that > indicates that every email created an error ... yet the mail still > goes out to everyone. I removed the person who exceeded his > quota and there was no error message sent back to me. This > does not seem normal. Here is the error email sent back to > me: > > Date sent: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:39:46 -0600 (MDT) > From: MAILER- > DAEMON@scdthe_domain.summitdesign.net (Mail Delivery > Subsystem) > Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable > To: owner-pete-list@the_domain.com > > The original message was received at Tue, 27 Jun 2000 > 18:38:40 -0600 (MDT) > from scdthe_domain@localhost > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > morethan8@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > adouglas@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > hlawrenc > (expanded from: hlawrence@the_domain.com) > pli@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > ppressle > (expanded from: ppressley@the_domain.com) > mprovenz > (expanded from: mprovenzano@the_domain.com) > sburks@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > lcohen@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > tdowdy@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > adrummon > (expanded from: adrummond@the_domain.com) > mkausch@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > dowens@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > bschluet > (expanded from: bschlueter@the_domain.com) > athorp@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > srhodes@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > kwensing@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > scastro@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > rkuramot > (expanded from: rkuramoto@the_domain.com) > llabrado@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > clopez@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > mmendez@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > crodrigu > (expanded from: crodriguez@the_domain.com) > jsaiget@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > tarriaga@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > gcornejo@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > tjones@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > rjunker@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > ksmith@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > aweeks@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > cpellock@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > dcarstar > (expanded from: dcarstarphen@the_domain.com) > ljones@the_domain.com > (expanded from: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/pete- > list) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > imail: mail quota exceeded: mkausch > 554 > morethan8@the_domain.com,adouglas@the_domain.com,hla > wrenc,pli@the_domain.com,ppressle,mprove > nz,sburks@the_domain.com,lcohen@...the_domain.com,rjunk > er@the_domain.com,ksmith@the_domain.com,awe > eks@the_domain.com,cpellock@the_domain.com,dcarstar,ljo > nes@the_domain.com... Service > unavailable > > ----- Original message follows ----- > snipped > __________________________ > A Used Book is a Good Book -- From majordomo-workers-owner Fri Jul 14 15:21:44 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA02854; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix, from userid 1013) id E871217EAE; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spsystems.net (spsystems.net [209.47.149.227]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0905517E8A for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from henry@localhost) by spsystems.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07471; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:04:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Henry Spencer To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: Majordomo gurgles and dies Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The config-test script verifies that the log file exists and is writable, but does not check whether the directory containing it can be written, for locking. (To a novice like me, it's tempting to just put the Majordomo log file in /var/log with suitable file permissions, but that naturally doesn't work -- Majordomo doesn't have write permissions on /var/log.) In itself, this is a relatively minor problem, and it's not like the docs don't prominently warn about permission problems! The bad part of this one is that when you get it wrong, *and* you botch something else -- in this case it was the old BSDI "mail" command not putting a full user@host in the From header -- what you get in mail when you do INSTALL step 10 is: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! and that's *all*. No indication of what the problem was, none whatsoever. It tried to log the user@host problem, found it couldn't, and just keeled over. Majordomo 1.94.5, BSDI 2.1 (yeah, it's old...), sendmail 8.9.3. Either problem by itself is trivial and produces reasonably informative error messages, but the combination is ugly. Config-test should do everything it can to ensure that Majordomo will at least get far enough to diagnose and report its problems. In particular, config-test ought to check *everything* needed for successful logging, not just the log file's permissions. Ideally, it should try to actually make a log entry, and carefully report any problems encountered. Majordomo's logging/reporting code is capable of giving an intelligible message to the user about inability to lock the log file, but doesn't manage to do so if the problem is discovered while trying to report another problem. This is bad. Henry Spencer henry@spsystems.net From majordomo-workers-owner Sun Jul 16 19:02:24 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA04229; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us (rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.3.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F85817E8A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us by rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 2000 02:05:48 UT Received: from localhost by sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6H23sK05789; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" Reply-To: "Joe R. Jah" To: Chan Wilson Cc: "Brian L. Heess, VP Tech" , Brock Rozen , Dave Wolfe , Jason L Tibbitts III , Majordomo Workers List Subject: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Chan, I know most Majordomo Workers are fully committed to MJ2; nevertheless, I believe 1.9x will continue to predominate among Majordomo users until MJ2 is officially released. Improvements in 1.9x benefits all supporters of Majordomo. After all, the more polished MJ1, the more anticipated MJ2;^) therefore, I respectfully request that you consider releasing 1.95.0 using patches in: ftp://sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/ I have tested the following patches extensively, and strongly recommend their inclusion in 1.95.0: config_parse.pl-resend.1 Bounces non-member messages to sender|owner|both majordomo.1 Patches the which command @ hole majordomo.3 Provides more robust confirmation procedure resend.1 Puts missing "Subject" header if(subject_prefix) sample.cf.0 Defines variables for robust confirmation and sets a default policy for non-member bounce The following patches look fine to me, but I haven't tested them: archive2.pl.0 Fixes Y2K problem with archive2.pl bounce.1 Fixes minor Y2K bugette in BOUNCE majordomo.pl.1 Provides better address matching I am not sure about following patch: config-test.0 Directory perms & registration message Best regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 17 15:32:36 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA19110; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us (rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.3.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 89BAC17E8A for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us by rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 2000 22:36:42 UT Received: from localhost by sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6HMadj06859; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:36:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Dave Wolfe Cc: Majordomo Workers List Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 In-Reply-To: <20000717150556.A18340@risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Dave Wolfe wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:05:56 -0500 > From: Dave Wolfe > To: "Joe R. Jah" > Cc: Chan Wilson , > "Brian L. Heess, VP Tech" , > Brock Rozen , > Jason L Tibbitts III , > Majordomo Workers List > Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 > > [ Joe R. Jah writes: ] > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Dave Wolfe wrote: > > > [ Joe R. Jah writes: ] > > > > > > > > I know most Majordomo Workers are fully committed to MJ2; nevertheless, I > > > > believe 1.9x will continue to predominate among Majordomo users until MJ2 > > > > is officially released. Improvements in 1.9x benefits all supporters of > > > > Majordomo. After all, the more polished MJ1, the more anticipated MJ2;^) > > > > therefore, I respectfully request that you consider releasing 1.95.0 using > > > > patches in: ftp://sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/ > [...] > > > Is there really anything that justifies a new major version > > > number? Why not just 1.94.6? I don't believe any of these address > > > > I had assumed that point releases were for bug fix only. 1.94.6 is fine. > > You may be right. I'll leave it up to Chan. > > > > the recent problem report re checking log directory permissions in > > > config-test, do they? I think it raised a very legitimate concern. > > > > I must have missed that report; do you think config-test.0 should address > > those problems to be included in the next release? > > More likely config-test.1. I didn't save the mail since I didn't have > any plans to address the problem. Is there an on-line archive of > Mj-workers that's kept up to date? Last time I checked Jason's, nothing > new had been added for quite some time. The email archive can probably > be "get"ed from GreatCircle. You can find up-to-date archives here: http://greatcircle.com/lists/majordomo-users/archive.html Unfortunately it is not searchable;( Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 17 16:17:28 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA19569; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us (rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.3.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 18A9217E8A for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us by rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 2000 23:15:17 UT Received: from localhost by sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6HNFFj06904; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Dave Wolfe Cc: Majordomo Workers List Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Dave Wolfe wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:05:56 -0500 > From: Dave Wolfe > To: "Joe R. Jah" > Cc: Chan Wilson , > "Brian L. Heess, VP Tech" , > Brock Rozen , > Jason L Tibbitts III , > Majordomo Workers List > Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 > > [ Joe R. Jah writes: ] > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Dave Wolfe wrote: > > > [ Joe R. Jah writes: ] > > > > > > > > I know most Majordomo Workers are fully committed to MJ2; nevertheless, I > > > > believe 1.9x will continue to predominate among Majordomo users until MJ2 > > > > is officially released. Improvements in 1.9x benefits all supporters of > > > > Majordomo. After all, the more polished MJ1, the more anticipated MJ2;^) > > > > therefore, I respectfully request that you consider releasing 1.95.0 using > > > > patches in: ftp://sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/ > [...] > > > Is there really anything that justifies a new major version > > > number? Why not just 1.94.6? I don't believe any of these address > > > > I had assumed that point releases were for bug fix only. 1.94.6 is fine. > > You may be right. I'll leave it up to Chan. > > > > the recent problem report re checking log directory permissions in > > > config-test, do they? I think it raised a very legitimate concern. > > > > I must have missed that report; do you think config-test.0 should address > > those problems to be included in the next release? > > More likely config-test.1. I didn't save the mail since I didn't have > any plans to address the problem. Is there an on-line archive of > Mj-workers that's kept up to date? Last time I checked Jason's, nothing > new had been added for quite some time. The email archive can probably > be "get"ed from GreatCircle. You can find up-to-date archives here: http://greatcircle.com/lists/majordomo-workers/archive.html Unfortunately it is not searchable;( Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-workers-owner Tue Jul 18 00:02:28 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA24123; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rina.torah.org (rina.torah.org [208.229.147.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D5217E8A for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brozen@localhost) by rina.torah.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA07274; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:07:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:07:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Brock Rozen To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: Mj2 Development Lists , mj2-dev@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Sys::CpuLoad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Backup: Disabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 6 Jul 2000 at 10:32, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote about "Re: Sys::CpuLoad": > BR> Might it be worthwhile to make use of this module to have Mj2 "sleep" a > BR> few seconds if the load on the system is above x? > > Even better would be to terminate with an exit code that tells the MTA to > queue and try us again later. That way we don't sit around in RAM. That's what we did in Mj1. Seems like the best idea. Of course the trick is to minimize the start-up, which in and of itself brings up the CPU load. > BR> We had a crude version of this in Mj1. > > But it was really crude. I haven't looked into Sys::CPULoad for some time, > but when I did it didn't support very many systems. If it's progressed > any, perhaps it's time to look into it again. I don't know where it was when you looked at it, but it's at version 0.01 which makes me believe that it where it was when you looked at it. Shame. :( Perhaps only using it if the module is installed? -- an "optional" module and if we can't get results from that module, then we just don't support that feature for that particular setup?? -- Brock Rozen brozen@torah.org From majordomo-workers-owner Tue Jul 18 00:22:23 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA24081; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rina.torah.org (rina.torah.org [208.229.147.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE2117E8A for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brozen@localhost) by rina.torah.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA06500; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:59:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:59:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Brock Rozen To: "Joe R. Jah" Cc: Chan Wilson , "Brian L. Heess, VP Tech" , Dave Wolfe , Jason L Tibbitts III , Majordomo Workers List Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Backup: Disabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 at 19:03, Joe R. Jah wrote about "1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0": > I know most Majordomo Workers are fully committed to MJ2; nevertheless, I > believe 1.9x will continue to predominate among Majordomo users until MJ2 > is officially released. Improvements in 1.9x benefits all supporters of > Majordomo. After all, the more polished MJ1, the more anticipated MJ2;^) > therefore, I respectfully request that you consider releasing 1.95.0 using > patches in: ftp://sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/ Which is why, IMHO, Mj2 should be moved towards release. It has an excellent set of features and while it may not be perfect and lots of people love rewriting various sections of it -- keeping it on the drawing board really does some damage. Once released it will probably gain more momentum as more people begin to use it and with that, the greater possibility that more people will come aboard as developers. Just because it's released doesn't mean it can't be continued to be worked upon. It would also, finally, outdate Mj1. -- Brock Rozen brozen@torah.org From majordomo-workers-owner Tue Jul 18 06:34:30 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA00621; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat196.15.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.196.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B9217E8A; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA83247; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:34:07 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:34:07 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM, "Majordomo user's mailing list" , mj2-dev@csf.colorado.edu Subject: bouncing mail ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Okay, right now Majordomo2 has nice facilities for bounce detection and keeping track of things: User: paul@code-slinger.com Subscribed: yes Status: failure Diagnostic: Deferred: Operation timed out with mail.code-slinger.com. Bounce statistics for this user: Bounces last 24 hours: 11 Bounces last 7 days: 32 Bounces last 30 days: 32 Precentage of messages bounced: 100 It is recommended that this user be removed. I've done a cursory look over the help files, but might be overlooking it ... is there any way of me setting things such that I can tell it to auto-remove the user if it hits, lets say, 100% bounced over 7 days? Or hasn't that code been added yet? Thanks ... Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org From majordomo-workers-owner Tue Jul 18 10:49:31 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA03376; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us (rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.3.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BE06217E8C for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us by rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 17:53:05 UT Received: from localhost by sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6IHr2207925; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" Reply-To: "Joe R. Jah" To: Dave Wolfe Cc: Majordomo Workers List Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 In-Reply-To: <20000718113853.A18520@risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Dave Wolfe wrote: > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:38:53 -0500 > From: Dave Wolfe > To: "Joe R. Jah" > Cc: Majordomo Workers List > Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 > > DW> the recent problem report re checking log directory permissions in > DW> config-test, do they? I think it raised a very legitimate concern. > > JJ> I must have missed that report; do you think config-test.0 should address > JJ> those problems to be included in the next release? > > DW> More likely config-test.1. > > Look for "Majordomo gurgles and dies" from Henry Spencer (_that_ Henry > Spencer?) Do you plan to post a config-test.1 to address that? "______________________________________________________________ To make the airplane fool proof, it is easy To make the airplane god damn fool proof, it is Very difficult! Mark Sutton _______________________________________________________________";^) Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-workers-owner Tue Jul 18 13:03:36 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA04847; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us (rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.3.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B26C17E8A for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us by rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 20:10:16 UT Received: from localhost by sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6IKAA008110; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Dave Wolfe Cc: Majordomo Workers List Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 In-Reply-To: <20000718125635.A16298@risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Dave Wolfe wrote: > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:56:35 -0500 > From: Dave Wolfe > To: "Joe R. Jah" > Cc: Majordomo Workers List > Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 > > > Do you plan to post a config-test.1 to address that? > > DW> More likely config-test.1. I didn't save the mail since I didn't have > DW> any plans to address the problem. Is there an on-line archive of Here is a config-test.1 that should address those legitimate concerns: ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config-test.1 Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-workers-owner Tue Jul 18 16:48:37 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA06747; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us (rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.3.238]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 674BF17E8A for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us by rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us via smtpd (for honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 23:55:15 UT Received: from localhost by sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6INtCd08436; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" To: Dave Wolfe Cc: Majordomo Workers List Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 In-Reply-To: <20000718173512.A20526@risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-ID: Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Dave Wolfe wrote: > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:35:12 -0500 > From: Dave Wolfe > To: "Joe R. Jah" > Cc: Majordomo Workers List > Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 > > [ Joe R. Jah writes: ] > > > > Here is a config-test.1 that should address those legitimate concerns: > > > > ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/config-test.1 > > OK, you sucked me in. > > + if (chdir($logdir)) { > + &good("changedir to $logdir succeeded."); > + } else { > + &bad("changedir to $logdir failed, $!"); > + } > > I think that might break the test on line 289 since you're no longer in > the installed directory. > > open(S, 'sample.cf') || &bad("Couldn't open sample.cf for reading, $!"); > > My version is attached. Thanks Dave; it's in: ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/confg-test.2 Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us --gKMricLos+KVdGMg-- From majordomo-workers-owner Tue Jul 18 23:18:48 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA10144; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rina.torah.org (rina.torah.org [208.229.147.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F67117E8A for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brozen@localhost) by rina.torah.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA06705; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:15:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:15:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Brock Rozen To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM, mj2-dev@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: bouncing mail ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Backup: Disabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 at 10:34, The Hermit Hacker wrote about "bouncing mail ...": > Bounce statistics for this user: > Bounces last 24 hours: 11 > Bounces last 7 days: 32 > Bounces last 30 days: 32 > Precentage of messages bounced: 100 The problem is that it doesn't tell us how many messages the user was sent over the last 24 hours, 7 days and 30 days. While in this case it's easy to figure it out becuase the % is 100 (BTW, percentage is spelled wrong above). But in other cases it might not be. > is there any way of me setting things such that I can tell it to > auto-remove the user if it hits, lets say, 100% bounced over 7 days? Or > hasn't that code been added yet? The code should also have the ability to say remove if x% over past y days if z messages were sent. That way if only 1 message was sent every week, and it bounced then the user wouldn't be removed. I could instead remove him if there was a 100% bounce over a month at a minimum of 3 bounces or something like that. -- Brock Rozen brozen@torah.org From majordomo-workers-owner Wed Jul 19 14:02:25 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA20302; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rina.torah.org (rina.torah.org [208.229.147.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EF317E8A for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brozen@localhost) by rina.torah.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21061; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:57:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:57:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Brock Rozen To: Daniel LaLiberte Cc: Mj2 Development Lists , mj2-dev@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: bouncing mail ... In-Reply-To: <200007192030.QAA04740@emancholl.pair.com> Message-ID: X-Backup: Disabled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 at 16:30, Daniel LaLiberte wrote about "Re: bouncing...": > Fine. For the display it would be more useful to say something like: > > over the last 7 days: 3 of 10 messages bounced Exactly. > >Also, the percentage -- is it for 7 days, week or a month? > > Good point. I assumed it was for the smallest time unit. Or maybe for the biggest time unit? I haven't checked the code, but either of us could be right. > >> > That way if only 1 message was sent every week, and it bounced then the > >> > user wouldn't be removed. I could instead remove him if there was a 100% > >> > bounce over a month at a minimum of 3 bounces or something like that. > >> > >> Seems like an odd criteria, but at least the data is available already > >> to use that criteria. > > > >Why is that odd? It's not very hard to reach 100% bouncing if you send one > >message a week and the person bounces on it. > > Well, yes, you probably want some minimum number of messages that > have been bounced before deciding to drop a subscriber, as well > as a minimum time. But 3 seems like not much more than 1. Just a number I threw out. Make it whatever you want. > You'd also want some spread over that minimum time, so that if 10 bounces > out of 10 messages occur in one day, and there was not much traffic > the rest of the month, then we don't drop the person because of that > one bad day. I can't think of a formula that would work though. I posted something that detailed this about 4-8 weeks ago. -- Brock Rozen brozen@torah.org From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 24 11:30:11 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA04678; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207EB17E8A for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us (rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us [147.144.3.238]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id KAA24729 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us by rudra3.ccsf.cc.ca.us via smtpd (for server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 2000 17:25:35 UT Received: from localhost by sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6HHMGV06596; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe R. Jah" Reply-To: "Joe R. Jah" To: Dave Wolfe Cc: Chan Wilson , "Brian L. Heess, VP Tech" , Brock Rozen , Jason L Tibbitts III , Majordomo Workers List Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 In-Reply-To: <20000717101815.C18340@risc.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Dave Wolfe wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:18:15 -0500 > From: Dave Wolfe > To: "Joe R. Jah" > Cc: Chan Wilson , > "Brian L. Heess, VP Tech" , > Brock Rozen , > Jason L Tibbitts III , > Majordomo Workers List > Subject: Re: 1.94.5 < Majordomo < 2.0 > > [ Joe R. Jah writes: ] > > > > I know most Majordomo Workers are fully committed to MJ2; nevertheless, I > > believe 1.9x will continue to predominate among Majordomo users until MJ2 > > is officially released. Improvements in 1.9x benefits all supporters of > > Majordomo. After all, the more polished MJ1, the more anticipated MJ2;^) > > therefore, I respectfully request that you consider releasing 1.95.0 using > > patches in: ftp://sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us/majordomo-patches/1.94.5/ > > > > I have tested the following patches extensively, and strongly recommend > > their inclusion in 1.95.0: > > > > config_parse.pl-resend.1 Bounces non-member messages to sender|owner|both > > majordomo.1 Patches the which command @ hole > > majordomo.3 Provides more robust confirmation procedure > > resend.1 Puts missing "Subject" header if(subject_prefix) > > sample.cf.0 Defines variables for robust confirmation and > > sets a default policy for non-member bounce > > > > The following patches look fine to me, but I haven't tested them: > > > > archive2.pl.0 Fixes Y2K problem with archive2.pl > > bounce.1 Fixes minor Y2K bugette in BOUNCE > > majordomo.pl.1 Provides better address matching > > > > I am not sure about following patch: > > > > config-test.0 Directory perms & registration message > > I think that telling users to set the lists directory permissions to > 0777 is dangerous, but the other patches in config-test.0 seem harmless ^^^^ That's what raised my doubts about the patch. > enough. Is there really anything that justifies a new major version > number? Why not just 1.94.6? I don't believe any of these address I had assumed that point releases were for bug fix only. 1.94.6 is fine. > the recent problem report re checking log directory permissions in > config-test, do they? I think it raised a very legitimate concern. I must have missed that report; do you think config-test.0 should address those problems to be included in the next release? Regards, Joe -- _/ _/_/_/ _/ ____________ __o _/ _/ _/ _/ ______________ _-\<,_ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ ......(_)/ (_) _/_/ oe _/ _/. _/_/ ah jjah@sol.ccsf.cc.ca.us From majordomo-workers-owner Wed Jul 26 14:17:20 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id OAA06503; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D55F17EB2 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6QLACj15566 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([207.1.145.44]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FYBPPH01.TJJ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:15:17 -0700 Message-ID: <397F54E5.6F6F8B9B@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:15:17 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Milam Cc: Michael Yount , mj2-dev@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Date::Format missing from CPAN References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Chuck Milam proclaimed: > perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("Date::Format")' > Going to read /root/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz > CPAN: Compress::Zlib loaded ok > Going to read /root/.cpan/sources/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz > Scanning cache /root/.cpan/build for sizes > Going to read /root/.cpan/sources/modules/03modlist.data.gz > > The module Date::Format isn't available on CPAN. > Um, this is not good. Is Date::Format no longer maintained on CPAN? I've > contacted the author to find out. http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=TimeDate S. -- "Microsoft is a great company in reality. They've got a lot of really smart people. When I was competing with them I didn't like them at all. Now that I'm not, I kind of like them" -- Jim Clark (http://www.cnetinvestor.com/newsitem-bloomberg.asp?symbol=94496655&Ticker=AOL) Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From majordomo-workers-owner Fri Jul 28 08:03:39 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA03845; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntcserver4.dscr.dla.mil (ntcserver4.dscr.dla.mil [206.38.37.95]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FFA917EB2 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24267 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2000 15:06:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jul 2000 15:06:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:06:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Chuck Milam X-Sender: milam@ntcserver4.dscr.dla.mil To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com, mj2-dev@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Move MJ installation (New Box, New Arch.) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, all: I'm in the process of moving a MJ2 installation from a Sparc 20 running Red Hat Linux 5.2 to an Intel box running Red Hat Linux 6.2. Here's my problem: I'm guessing that because I used the DB back-end for the majordomo files on the Sparc, that I'll have to do some sort of conversion when I move to the Intel? Is there an easy way to dump the databases and import them on the Intel side? -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net From majordomo-workers-owner Mon Jul 31 20:03:50 2000 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id TAA23073; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat193.142.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.193.142]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D3B17E8A for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA36908; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:03:43 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:03:43 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: majordomo-workers@GreatCircle.COM, mj2-dev@csf.colorado.edu Subject: master.kde.org mailing list memberships reminder (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is someone working on something like this? 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