From majordomo-workers-owner Wed Aug 1 12:16:14 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA15526; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from masaka.cs.ohiou.edu (masaka.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.3.154]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0E117E8C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from weddy@localhost) by masaka.cs.ohiou.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id PAA03456 for majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:11:17 -0400 From: Wesley Eddy To: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: patch for making non-member submissions bounce to sender Message-ID: <20010801151117.O23625@masaka.cs.ohiou.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kUBUi7JBpjcBtem/" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk --kUBUi7JBpjcBtem/ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="sWvRP97dwRHm9fX+" Content-Disposition: inline --sWvRP97dwRHm9fX+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We run a few majordomo managed lists at our site, and use an "only list-mem= bers may post to this list" policy to cut down on the amount of spam and stupid questions that make it to the lists. Anyways, as of version 1.94.5, majord= omo only bounces non-member submissions to these type of lists to the listname-= approval address. This is less than desirable behavior, as clueless folks tend to e= ither assume their message actually went out to the list, or simply post 30 more = messages saying "Hey, does this thing work? Can anybody hear me?" To cut down on t= his kind of silliness, I quickly hacked a couple of lines into the resend scrip= t at our site to also bounce mail to the sender, letting him know that his mail = didn't go through. Attatched is a diff. I'm curious about a couple of things: a) Why doesn't majordomo bounce non-member submissions to the sender alread= y? Is there some fear of possible use for DoS or something? b) Are there plans to incorporate such a feature into future releases? c) Is there a better way to do this than my patch? (probably yes) Thanks. -Wes --=20 "Tough guys appear, and one pulls a knife. He hits me in the back, but I'm= alright." -Dead Milkmen, "Dean's Dream" --sWvRP97dwRHm9fX+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="resend.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 910c910,913 < $config_opts{$opt_l, 'moderator'} : "$opt_l-approva= l\@$whereami"), --- > $config_opts{$opt_l, 'moderator'} :=20 > (( $reason =3D~ "Non-member" ) ? > "$opt_l-approval\@$whereami, $from" : > "$opt_l-approval\@$whereami")), --sWvRP97dwRHm9fX+-- --kUBUi7JBpjcBtem/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7aFRUzBuYqbnj3IwRAuqsAKCDSx5aV0A7pX7Wyc+2L+LEpd6o3wCfSm+D wNU5PMghsXOBdv47iO509IY= =wO3A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kUBUi7JBpjcBtem/-- From majordomo-workers-owner Fri Aug 3 16:07:07 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA04117; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [216.240.39.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C8917EC0 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epithumia.math.uh.edu (IDENT:root@epithumia.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.2]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f71LBTf08480 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:11:29 -0700 Received: (from tibbs@localhost) by epithumia.math.uh.edu (8.11.0/8.11.1) id f71L0CR17049; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:00:12 -0500 To: Wesley Eddy Cc: majordomo-workers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: patch for making non-member submissions bounce to sender References: <20010801151117.O23625@masaka.cs.ohiou.edu> From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 01 Aug 2001 16:00:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: Wesley Eddy's message of "Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:11:17 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "WE" == Wesley Eddy writes: WE> a) Why doesn't majordomo bounce non-member submissions to the sender WE> already? Is there some fear of possible use for DoS or something? I don't think there was any reasoning behind it; it's simply that nobody ever did it. WE> b) Are there plans to incorporate such a feature into future releases? Majordomo2 does all you want and more. WE> c) Is there a better way to do this than my patch? (probably yes) Well, the moderator is supposed to either approve the message or reject it. Back in the old days we just whipped up a little message telling them why their message didn't go through. There's also a "reject" script floating around that mirrors the "approve" script (it's at my FTP site ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/majordomo/reject). With your patch, you send the message that the owner is supposed to approve to the poster as well, with no real explanation. Mj2 lets subscribers choose whether or not they will see stall notifications (the owner chooses for non-subscribers) and the list owner can customize the messages that are sent out. The owner can also include personal notes when they reject something. Some Mj2 info is available from http://csf.colorado.edu/help/. - J< From majordomo-workers-owner Tue Aug 28 12:46:37 2001 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id MAA08393; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix, from userid 1013) id DE3E517E8B; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lithium.geocel.com (lithium.geocel.com [208.35.145.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4265017EB5 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mike ([216.62.211.114]) by lithium.geocel.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f7NIh1947374 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:43:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00b101c12c02$1b845a60$72d33ed8@swbell.net> From: "Michael Hancock" To: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:33:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: majordomo-workers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear Majordomo - We are currently experiencing a major problem with are list serv program through Majordomo - Consulting Engineers Council of Texas - one list has 800 e-mails assisgned to it - when I send a message to that group, sometimes I receive bounce error messages which indicates an incorrect address or some other type of fatal error - however, when this happens, most of the correct e-mail addresses receive the same message three or four times - how can I correct this problem? Please let me know what to do so each e-mail only receives the message once. Thanks for you help. Michael Hancock mike@cectexas.org