Great Circle Associates Majordomo-Workers
(April 1998)
 

Indexed By Date: [Previous] [Next] Indexed By Thread: [Previous] [Next]

Subject: Re: German language files
From: Norbert Bollow <nb @ thinkcoach . com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:15:12 +0200
To: majordomo-workers @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: <35292FDC.247E@fonz.micro.lucent.com> (message from Andrew Winkler on Mon, 06 Apr 1998 15:41:16 -0400)
Prefer-language: de, en, fr

Andrew Winkler <ckp@micro.lucent.com> wrote in response to a message
from me:
> > I disagree. The user says "Do you speak German?", not "Do you speak informal
> > German?". Majordomo replies in formal or informal language, as configured by
> > the majordomo-owner.

> How is that better than saying "Ich spreche Deutsch", but also
> elaborating by saying "for now I'll use the formal Swiss dialect, but

Do you speak Swiss German (or at least German)? It appears from your
comments that you don't...

1) There is no such thing as a 'formal Swiss dialect'. Rather, you speak a
   Swiss dialect and while doing so, you choose to use formal or informal
   language.

2) When two strangers meet in a multicultural context, the first thing
   they do is try to negotiate a language for further communication. This 
   means aking questions like "Do you speak German?". It is necessary to
   implement something like this in a program like Majordomo.

3) Choice of 'formal' vs 'informal' variations of a language or dialect is
   a separate issue, and much more complicated because it is very culture-
   dependent. For example, when a new neighbor moved in, I introcuded
   myself by saying "ich bin dae Norbert" which communicated three things:
   Namely, a) my name is Norbert, b) let's use informal language, and
   c) it would be nice if we were friends as well as neighbors.
   It was appropriate for me to suggest use of informal language, because 
   our new neighbour is younger than I am. This is only a very simple
   example for showing that there may be complicated patterns of social
   interaction woven into negotiation of choice of 'formal' vs 'informal'
   language. It really makes no sense to try to implement anything like
   this into Majordomo. Let the choice of 'formal' vs 'informal' be
   configurable by the Majordomo-owner and that's it. We have enough
   creeping featurism in Majordomo already.
   
-- NB.


Follow-Ups:
References:
Indexed By Date Previous: Re: The search list does the job
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Next: www1-3
From: 64969708@10430.com
Indexed By Thread Previous: Re: German language files
From: Andrew Winkler <ckp@micro.lucent.com>
Next: Re: German language files
From: Andrew Winkler <ckp@micro.lucent.com>

Google
 
Search Internet Search www.greatcircle.com