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Subject: Problem with Admin request
From: Alexander Zimmermann <alexander . zimmermann . gp @ icn . siemens . de>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:37:44 +0200 (MET DST)
To: Majordomo Workers <majordomo-workers @ greatcircle . com>
Cc: Alexander Zimmermann <alexander . zimmermann . gp @ icn . siemens . de>

Hi,

I'm running several mailing lists with Majordomo version 1.94.4 attached
all system information in the file info)  and I've got the following
problem:

The list 'amidstdarkness' is configured with a 'subject_prefix =
AmidstDarkness'. Several threads are running on the list. One of the
threads with the subject 'Wen-huan & Alain' doesn't get the prefix
attached, but goes out to the mailing list. The listowner gets an email
with the subject

	'BOUNCE amidstdarkness@oasis.leo.org:     Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line'

and no body.

I think I attached any relevant info you might need. I thought about
setting 'administrivia = no' for a temporary cure to the problem.

So could you please help me with the problem? Thanks alot,

Alex
--
Alexander Zimmermann, Zielstattstr. 53, D-81379 Muenchen, Germany
+49 89 7 22-3 37 95 (Work)                       +49 89 78 58 80 23 (Home)
alex@class.de                       alexander.zimmermann.gp@icn.siemens.de
http://www.oasis.leo.org/~zimmerma/
#
# A sample configuration file for majordomo.  You must read through this and
# edit it accordingly!
#


# $whereami -- What machine am I running on?
#
$whereami = "oasis.leo.org";

# $whoami -- Who do users send requests to me as?
#
$whoami = "Majordomo\@$whereami";

# $whoami_owner -- Who is the owner of the above, in case of problems?
#
$whoami_owner = "Majordomo-Owner\@$whereami";

# $homedir -- Where can I find my extra .pl files, like majordomo.pl?
# the environment variable HOME is set by the wrapper
#
if ( defined $ENV{"HOME"}) {
     $homedir = $ENV{"HOME"};
} else {
     $homedir = "/usr/local/majordomo-1.94.4";
}

# $listdir -- Where are the mailing lists?
#
$listdir = "$homedir/lists";

# $digest_work_dir -- the parent directory for digest's queue area
# Each list must have a subdirectory under this directory in order for
# digest to work. E.G. The bblisa list would use:
# 	/usr/local/mail/digest/bblisa
# as its directory.
#
$digest_work_dir = "$homedir/digest-lists";

# $log -- Where do I write my log?
#
$log = "$homedir/Log";

# $sendmail_command -- Pathname to the sendmail program
#                      usually /usr/lib/sendmail, but some newer BSD systems
#                      seem to prefer /usr/sbin/sendmail
#
$sendmail_command = "/usr/lib/sendmail";
# $sendmail_command = "/usr/sbin/sendmail";

# $mailer -- What program and args do I use to send mail to the list?
# $bounce_mailer -- What is used to send mail anywhere else?
# The variables $to, $from, $subject, and $sender can be interpolated into
# this command line.  Note, however, that the $to, $from, and $subject
# variables may be provided by the person sending mail, and much mischief
# can be had by playing with this variable.  It is perfectly safe to use
# $sender, but the others are insecure.
#
# Sendmail option -oi:  Do not take a . on a line by itself as the message
#			terminator.
# Sendmail option -oee: Force sendmail to exit with a zero exit status if
#			if it's not going to give useful information.
#
$mailer = "$sendmail_command -oi -oee -f\$sender";
$bounce_mailer = "$sendmail_command -oi -oee -f\$sender -t";

# You can special case the mailer used to deliver outbound mail as follows:
#
# To use TLB and use no outgoing alias:
# if ($main'program_name eq 'mj_resend' && $opt_l eq 'test-list') {
#   $mailer = "/usr/local/majordomo/tlb /usr/local/lists/${opt_l}.tlb";
# }
#
# To use a different Sendmail queue for this list's mail:
# if ($main'program_name eq 'mj_resend' && $opt_l eq 'test-list') {
#   $mailer = "$sendmail_command -oQ /var/spool/listq -f\$sender";
# }

# You can force Majordomo to delay any processing if the system load is too
# high by uncommenting the following lines.  THIS ONLY WORKS if your "uptime" 
# command (usually found in /usr/bin/uptime or /usr/bsd/uptime) 
# returns a string like:
#   5:23pm  up  5:51,  9 users,  load average: 0.19, 0.25, 0.33
#
#$max_loadavg = 10;                 # Choose the maximum allowed load
#
#$uptime = `/usr/bin/uptime` if -x '/usr/bin/uptime';     # Get system uptime
#$uptime = `/usr/bsd/uptime` if -x '/usr/bsd/uptime';     # or uptime is over here.
#
#($avg_1_minute, $avg_5_minutes, $avg_15_minutes) = 
#    $uptime =~ /average:\s+(\S+),\s+(\S+),\s+(\S+)/;
#
#exit 75 if ($avg_15_minutes >= $max_loadavg);           # E_TEMPFAIL
#

# Set the default subscribe policy for new lists here.  
# If not defined, defaults to "open", but in today's increasingly
# imbecile Internet, "open+confirm" or "auto+confirm" is a wiser
# choice for publicly available Majordomo servers.
#
$config'default_subscribe_policy = "open+confirm";

# 
#  Configure X400 parsing here.  This is functional, but not well tested 
#  and rather a hack.
#  By default all addresses that look x400-ish will be checked for a 
#  @ sign (meaning that it's headed to an smtp->x400 gateway, as well
#  as the 'c=' and 'a[dm]=' parts, which mean something as well.
#
#  If you will be receiving x400 style return addresses that do not have
#  an @ sign in them indicating an smtp->x400 gateway, set $no_x400at to 1.
#  Otherwise, leave $no_x400 at 0.
#
$no_x400at = 0;
#
#  If you will be receiving x400 addresses without the c= or a[dm]= parts
#  set the $no_true_x400 variable to 1.  This will disable checking for
#   "c=" and "a[dm]=" pieces.
#
$no_true_x400 = 0;


#--------------------------------------------------------------------
#    Stuff below here isn't commonly changed....
#--------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# Majordomo will look for "get" and "index" files related to $list in
# directory "$filedir/$list$filedir_suffix", so set $filedir and
# $filedir_suffix appropriately.  For instance, to look in
# /usr/local/mail/files/$list, use:
#   $filedir = "/usr/local/mail/files";
#   $filedir_suffix = "";		# empty string
# or to look in $listdir/$list.archive, use:
#   $filedir = "$listdir";
#   $filedir_suffix = ".archive";

$filedir = "$listdir";
$filedir_suffix = ".archive";

# What command should I use to process an "index" request?
#
$index_command = "/bin/ls -lRL";

# If you want to use FTPMAIL, rather than local access, for file transfer
# and access, define the following:
#   $ftpmail_address = "ftpmail\@decwrl.dec.com";
#   $ftpmail_location = "FTP.$whereami";

# if you want the subject of the request to be included as part of the
# subject of the reply (useful when automatically testing, or submitting
# multiple command sets), set $return_subject to 1.
#
$return_subject = 1;

# If you are using majordomo at the -request address, set the
# following variable to 1. This affects the welcome message that is
# sent to a new subscriber as well as the help text that is generated.
#
$majordomo_request = 0;

# If you have lists that have who turned off, but still allow which
# requests to work for subscribed members, and you don't want to have
# "which @" to act like a who, the variable $max_which_hits sets the
# number of hits that are allowed using which before an error is returned.
# Arguably this should be a per list settable number.
#
$max_which_hits = 0;

# Set the umask for the process. Used to set default file status for
# config file.
#
umask(007);
$config_umask = 007;

# don't change this. It checks to make sure that you have a new enough
# version of perl to run majordomo. It is in here because this file is
# used by almost all of the majordomo programs.
#
die "Perl version $] too old\n" if ($] < 4.019);

# the safe locations for archive directories
# None of the parameters that use safedirs are actually used, so 
# @safedirs is a placeholder for future functionality. 
# Just ignore it for version 1.90 through 1.94.
#
@safedirs = ( );

# Directory where resend temporarily puts its rewritten output message.
# For the paranoid, this could be changed to a directory that only
# majordomo has r/w permission to.
# Uses the environment variable TMPDIR, since that's pretty common
#
$TMPDIR = $ENV{'TMPDIR'} || "/usr/tmp";

# Tune how long set_lock tries to obtain a lock before giving up. Each
# attempt waits 1 to 10 seconds before trying again and waittime is
# the total minimum time spent trying. This defaults to 600 seconds (5
# minutes), which translates to no less then 60 nor more than 600 tries.
#
# $shlock'waittime = 1200;

# tune the cookie for subscribe_policy=confirm.  Normally this is
# set to $homedir.  *Don't* make this something like rand(400), 
# the key isn't saved between sessions.
#
# $cookie_seed = "Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray" . 
# " South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio";

# The maximum character length of the header lines for resend
#
$MAX_HEADER_LINE_LENGTH = 128;

# The maximum character length of the _entire_ header for resend
#
$MAX_TOTAL_HEADER_LENGTH = 1024;

# List of perl regular expressions that, if found in the headers of a message,
# will cause the message to be bounced to the list approver.
# Put each regular expression on a separate line before the "END" mark, with
# no trailing ";"
# For example:
#   $global_taboo_headers = <<'END';
#   /^from:.*trouble\@hassle\.net/i
#   /^subject:.*non-delivery notice/i
#   END
# NOTE! Using ' instead of " in the 'END' is VERY IMPORTANT!!!
#

# Administrative checks.  These used to be buried in the resend code
#
$admin_headers = <<'END';
/^subject:\s*subscribe\b/i
/^subject:\s*unsubscribe\b/i
/^subject:\s*uns\w*b/i
/^subject:\s*.*un-sub/i
/^subject:\s*help\b/i
/^subject:\s.*\bchange\b.*\baddress\b/i
/^subject:\s*request\b(.*\b)?addition\b/i
/^subject:\s*cancel\b/i
END

# Common things that people send to the wrong address.
# These are caught in the first 10 lines of the message body 
# if 'administrivia' is turned on and the message isn't marked approved.
#
# The code that catches this should transparently redirect 
# majordomo commands to majordomo.  That would give the additional
# advantage of not having to add to this silly construct for
# each new majordomo command.
#
$admin_body = <<'END';
/\bcancel\b/i
/\badd me\b/i
/\bdelete me\b/i
/\bremove\s+me\b/i
/\bchange\b.*\baddress\b/
/\bsubscribe\b/i
/^sub\b/i
/\bunsubscribe\b/i
/^unsub\b/i
/\buns\w*b/i
/^\s*help\s*$/i
/^\s*info\s*$/i
/^\s*info\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*lists\s*$/i
/^\s*which\s*$/i
/^\s*which\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*index\s*$/i
/^\s*index\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*who\s*$/i
/^\s*who\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*get\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*approve\b/i
/^\s*passwd\b/i
/^\s*newinfo\b/i
/^\s*config\b/i
/^\s*newconfig\b/i
/^\s*writeconfig\b/i
/^\s*mkdigest\b/i
END

# taboo headers to catch
#
$global_taboo_headers = <<'END';
/^subject: ndn: /i
/^subject:\s*RCPT:/i
/^subject:\s*Delivery Confirmation\b/i
/^subject:\s*NON-DELIVERY of:/i
/^subject:\s*Undeliverable Message\b/i
/^subject:\s*Receipt Confirmation\b/i
/^subject:\s*Failed mail\b/i
/^subject:\s*Returned mail\b/i
/^subject:\s*unable to deliver mail\b/i
/^subject:\s.*\baway from my mail\b/i
/^subject:\s*Autoreply/i
END

# Taboo body contents to catch and forward to the approval address
#
# For example:
#   $global_taboo_body = <<'END';
#   /taboo topic/i
#   /another taboo/i
#   END
# NOTE! Using ' instead of " in the next line is VERY IMPORTANT!!!
#
$global_taboo_body = <<'END';
END

# Majordomo will not send replies to addresses which match this.
# The match is done case-insensitively.
$majordomo_dont_reply = '(mailer-daemon|uucp|listserv|majordomo|listproc)\@';

1;
# $Header: /sources/cvsrepos/majordomo/sample.cf,v 1.34 1997/08/27 15:00:31 cwilson Exp $
# The configuration file for a majordomo mailing list.
# Comments start with the first # on a line, and continue to the end
# of the line. There is no way to escape the # character. The file
# uses either a key = value for simple (i.e. a single) values, or uses
# a here document
#     key << END 
#     value 1
#     value 2
#     [ more values 1 per line]
#     END 
# for installing multiple values in array types. Note that the here
# document delimiter (END in the example above) must be the same at the end
# of the list of entries as it is after the << characters.
# Within a here document, the # sign is NOT a comment character.
# A blank line is allowed only as the last line in the here document.
#
# The values can have multiple forms:
#
#	absolute_dir -- A root anchored (i.e begins with a /) directory 
#	absolute_file -- A root anchored (i.e begins with a /) file 
#	bool -- choose from: yes, no, y, n
#	enum -- One of a list of possible values
#	integer -- an integer (string made up of the digits 0-9,
#		   no decimal point)
#	float -- a floating point number with decimal point.
#	regexp -- A perl style regular expression with
# 		  leading and trailing /'s.
#	restrict_post -- a series of space or : separated file names in which
#                        to look up the senders address
#	            (restrict-post should go away to be replaced by an
#		     array of files)
#	string -- any text up until a \n stripped of
#		  leading and trailing whitespace
#	word -- any text with no embedded whitespace
#
# A blank value is also accepted, and will undefine the corresponding keyword.
# The character Control-A may not be used in the file.
#
# A trailing _array on any of the above types means that that keyword
# will allow more than one value.
#
# Within a here document for a string_array, the '-' sign takes on a special
# significance.
#
#     To embed a blank line in the here document, put a '-' as the first
#       and ONLY character on the line.
#
#     To preserve whitespace at the beginning of a line, put a - on the
#       line before the whitespace to be preserved
#
#     To put a literal '-' at the beginning of a line, double it.
#
#
# The default if the keyword is not supplied is given in ()'s while the 
# type of value is given in [], the subsystem the keyword is used in is
# listed in <>'s. (undef) as default value means that the keyword is not
# defined or used.

	# admin_passwd         [word] (amidstdarkness.admin) <majordomo>
	# The password for handling administrative tasks on the list.
admin_passwd        =   amidstdarkness.admin

	# administrivia        [bool] (yes) <resend>
	# Look for administrative requests (e.g. subscribe/unsubscribe) and
	# forward them to the list maintainer instead of the list.
administrivia       =   yes

	# advertise            [regexp_array] (undef) <majordomo>
	# If the requestor email address matches one of these regexps, then
	# the list will be listed in the output of a lists command. Failure
	# to match any regexp excludes the list from the output. The
	# regexps under noadvertise override these regexps.
advertise           <<  END

END

	# announcements        [bool] (yes) <majordomo>
	# If set to yes, comings and goings to the list will be sent to the
	# list owner. These SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE event announcements are
	# informational only (no action is required), although it is highly
	# recommended that they be monitored to watch for list abuse.
announcements       =   yes

	# approve_passwd       [word] (amidstdarkness.pass) <resend>
	# Password to be used in the approved header to allow posting to
	# moderated list, or to bypass resend checks.
approve_passwd      =   amidstdarkness.pass

	# archive_dir          [absolute_dir] (undef) <majordomo>
	# The directory where the mailing list archive is kept. This item
	# does not currently work. Leave it blank.
archive_dir         =

	# comments             [string_array] (undef) <config>
	# Comment string that will be retained across config file rewrites.
comments            <<  END

END

	# date_info            [bool] (yes) <majordomo>
	# Put the last updated date for the info file at the top of the
	# info file rather than having it appended with an info command.
	# This is useful if the file is being looked at by some means other
	# than majordomo (e.g. finger).
date_info           =   yes

	# date_intro           [bool] (yes) <majordomo>
	# Put the last updated date for the intro file at the top of the
	# intro file rather than having it appended with an intro command.
	# This is useful if the file is being looked at by some means other
	# than majordomo (e.g. finger).
date_intro          =   yes

	# debug                [bool] (no) <resend>
	# Don't actually forward message, just go though the motions.
debug               =   no

	# description          [string] (undef) <majordomo>
	# Used as description for mailing list when replying to the lists
	# command. There is no quoting mechanism, and there is only room
	# for 50 or so characters.
description         =

	# digest_archive       [absolute_dir] (undef) <digest>
	# The directory where the digest archive is kept. This item does
	# not currently work. Leave it blank.
digest_archive      =

	# digest_issue         [integer] (1) <digest>
	# The issue number of the next issue
digest_issue        =   1

	# digest_maxdays       [integer] (undef) <digest>
	# automatically generate a new digest when the age of the oldest
	# article in the queue exceeds this number of days.
digest_maxdays      =

	# digest_maxlines      [integer] (undef) <digest>
	# automatically generate a new digest when the size of the digest
	# exceeds this number of lines.
digest_maxlines     =

	# digest_name          [string] (amidstdarkness) <digest>
	# The subject line for the digest. This string has the volume  and
	# issue appended to it.
digest_name         =   amidstdarkness

	# digest_rm_footer     [word] (undef) <digest>
	# The value is the name of the list that applies the header and
	# footers to the messages that are received by digest. This allows
	# the list supplied headers and footers to be stripped before the
	# messages are included in the digest. This keyword is currently
	# non operative.
digest_rm_footer    =

	# digest_rm_fronter    [word] (undef) <digest>
	# Works just like digest_rm_footer, except it removes the front
	# material. Just like digest_rm_footer, it is also non-operative.
digest_rm_fronter   =

	# digest_volume        [integer] (1) <digest>
	# The current volume number
digest_volume       =   1

	# digest_work_dir      [absolute_dir] (undef) <digest>
	# The directory used as scratch space for digest. Don't  change
	# this unless you know what you are doing
digest_work_dir     =

	# get_access           [enum] (list) <majordomo> /open;closed;list/
	# One of three values: open, list, closed. Open allows anyone
	# access to this command and closed completely disables the command
	# for everyone. List allows only list members access, or if
	# restrict_post is defined, only the addresses in those files are
	# allowed access.
get_access          =   list

	# index_access         [enum] (open) <majordomo> /open;closed;list/
	# One of three values: open, list, closed. Open allows anyone
	# access to this command and closed completely disables the command
	# for everyone. List allows only list members access, or if
	# restrict_post is defined, only the addresses in those files are
	# allowed access.
index_access        =   open

	# info_access          [enum] (open) <majordomo> /open;closed;list/
	# One of three values: open, list, closed. Open allows anyone
	# access to this command and closed completely disables the command
	# for everyone. List allows only list members access, or if
	# restrict_post is defined, only the addresses in those files are
	# allowed access.
info_access         =   open

	# intro_access         [enum] (list) <majordomo> /open;closed;list/
	# One of three values: open, list, closed. Open allows anyone
	# access to this command and closed completely disables the command
	# for everyone. List allows only list members access, or if
	# restrict_post is defined, only the addresses in those files are
	# allowed access.
intro_access        =   list

	# maxlength            [integer] (40000) <resend,digest>
	# The maximum size of an unapproved message in characters. When
	# used with digest, a new digest will be automatically generated if
	# the size of the digest exceeds this number of characters.
maxlength           =   40000

	# message_footer       [string_array] (undef) <resend,digest>
	# Text to be appended at the end of all messages posted to the
	# list. The text is expanded before being used. The following
	# expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of the current
	# list, $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from line, $VERSION,
	# the version of majordomo. If used in a digest, no expansion
	# tokens are provided
message_footer      <<  END

END

	# message_fronter      [string_array] (undef) <resend,digest>
	# Text to be prepended to the beginning of all messages posted to
	# the list. The text is expanded before being used. The following
	# expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of the current
	# list, $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from line, $VERSION,
	# the version of majordomo. If used in a digest, only the expansion
	# token _SUBJECTS_ is available, and it expands to the list of
	# message subjects in the digest
message_fronter     <<  END

END

	# message_headers      [string_array] (undef) <resend,digest>
	# These headers will be appended to the headers of the posted
	# message. The text is expanded before being used. The following
	# expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of the current
	# list, $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from line, $VERSION,
	# the version of majordomo.
message_headers     <<  END

END

	# moderate             [bool] (no) <resend>
	# If yes, all postings to the list  must be approved by the
	# moderator.
moderate            =   no

	# moderator            [word] (undef) <resend>
	# Send bounces to moderator instead of owner-<listname>
moderator           =

	# mungedomain          [bool] (no) <majordomo>
	# If set to yes, a different method is used to determine a matching
	# address.  When set to yes, addresses of the form user@dom.ain.com
	# are considered equivalent to addresses of the form user@ain.com.
	# This allows a user to subscribe to a list using the domain
	# address rather than the address assigned to a particular machine
	# in the domain. This keyword affects the interpretation of
	# addresses for subscribe, unsubscribe, and all private options.
mungedomain         =   no

	# noadvertise          [regexp_array] (undef) <majordomo>
	# If the requestor name matches one of these regexps, then the list
	# will not be listed in the output of a lists command. Noadvertise
	# overrides advertise.
noadvertise         <<  END

END

	# precedence           [word] (bulk) <resend,digest>
	# Put a precedence header with value <value> into the outgoing
	# message.
precedence          =   bulk

	# purge_received       [bool] (no) <resend>
	# Remove all received lines before resending the message.
purge_received      =   no

	# reply_to             [word] () <resend,digest>
	# Put a reply-to header with value <value> into the outgoing
	# message. If the token $SENDER is used, then the address of the
	# sender is used as the value of the reply-to header. This is the
	# value of the reply-to header for digest lists.
reply_to            =

	# resend_host          [word] (undef) <resend>
	# The host name that is appended to all address strings specified
	# for resend.
resend_host         =

	# restrict_post        [restrict_post] (undef) <resend>
	# If defined, only addresses listed in these files (colon or space
	# separated) can post to the mailing list. By default, these files
	# are relative to the lists directory. These files are also checked
	# when get_access, index_access, info_access, intro_access,
	# which_access, or who_access is set to 'list'. This is less useful
	# than it seems it should be since there is no way to create these
	# files if you do not have access to the machine running resend.
	# This mechanism will be replaced in a future version of
	# majordomo/resend.
restrict_post       =

	# sender               [word] (owner-amidstdarkness) <majordomo,resen
	# The envelope and sender address for the resent mail. This string
	# has "@" and the value of resend_host appended to it to make a
	# complete address. For majordomo, it provides the sender address
	# for the welcome mail message generated as part of the subscribe
	# command.
sender              =   owner-amidstdarkness

	# strip                [bool] (yes) <majordomo>
	# When adding address to the list, strip off all comments etc, and
	# put just the raw address in the list file.  In addition to the
	# keyword, if the file <listname>.strip exists, it is the same as
	# specifying a yes value. That yes value is overridden by the value
	# of this keyword.
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> >> "The future is like a river, it's banks defined and it's course laid
> >> out.  Your journey down it however is different every time you travel
> >> it however."  Wen-huan replies.
> > Alain laughs. "Good so, isn't it. How cursed we were if the future was
> > unchanging. - So, it's a gamble after all. One way or the other."
>         Wen-huan shrugs.  "The Arcadia of the Fae falls to the Forces of the
> Christian Hell and worse, their arises an unstoppable tide of Order and
> Reason that leads to the death of imagination and utter stasis, then the
> Nephandi win, slaughter us all and Gaia starts afresh."

Still, the chevalier smiles, but the smile is more serious, and his gaze
resting on Wen-huan as if watching his soul. "Don't be too sure of that
young friend, you said yourself that the future is ever-changing..."

> >> Wen-huan turns back and shrugs.  "Fate... is not unlike so many women,
> >> she can be influenced and she enjoys showing a bit of herself to the
> >> knowing eye."
> > "... but remains a mystery at the end nevertheless."
>         "Is that not ever the way of women?"  Wen-huan says with a smile.
> "Though they claim we are a mystery to them as well!"

The man laughs. "But of course!"

> >> "If it is not, than the student will destroy themselves soon enough."
> >> Wen-huan replies with utter certainty.
> > Alain ends Wen-Huan's sentence sternly. "So it should be secured that
> > the student takes not to many with him in his destruction..."
> > Sir Raphael looks up from his conversation with Silvara...
>         "No, care must be taken that the student does not learn too much too
> soon so that they harm themselves.  The failure of a student is the fault of
> the Teacher, not the student."  Wen-huan counters gently.

"You are right, yet all too often one does not care enough about this
fact."
Sir Raphael glances at Wen-huan. "Have you taught students yet?"

> >> {Only what I have heard in rumor and the occassional idyl explaination.}
> >> Wen-huan replies with a smile of his own.
> > {Then you surely have been warned of the Seers of Chronos, have you not?}
> > She smiles with a wink.
>         {Who?}  Wen-huan sends back in return.

{My tradition, Wen-Huan} She sends with yet another soft chuckle...

> Later...
>
> >> "I would enjoy speaking to them I believe."  Wen-huan says
> >> speculatively.
> > Alain raises his eyebrows. "Whom? The Garou or the monsters?"
>         "One man's monsters is often anothers friend."  Wen-huan laughs.
> "Though often it's just a hungry monster!  But you never know until you ask.
> Still, perhaps it would be wiser to speak to the Garou first."

"Wiser indeed." Alain chuckles, then seems to think of something but
apparently decides not to speak it out.

> > The chevalier smiles satisfied. "Good. Very good." Then he grins
> > boyishly. "Individuality should never be a reason for personal
> > embarassment." He moves on about the walls and Wen-Huan can see the
> > guards watching them, then turning to watch the woods again.
>         "I fear you have gained the wrong impression, individuality is
> something we Akashics encourage."  Wen-huan bows slightly with a smile.
> "However we should not take it to extremes."

"Oh, I have understood perfectly, Wen-huan." The man smiles. "Would you
want to go and speak with them now? The Garou, it is."

Sir Raphael

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> >> "The future is like a river, it's banks defined and it's course laid
> >> out.  Your journey down it however is different every time you travel
> >> it however."  Wen-huan replies.
> > Alain laughs. "Good so, isn't it. How cursed we were if the future was
> > unchanging. - So, it's a gamble after all. One way or the other."
>         Wen-huan shrugs.  "The Arcadia of the Fae falls to the Forces of the
> Christian Hell and worse, their arises an unstoppable tide of Order and
> Reason that leads to the death of imagination and utter stasis, then the
> Nephandi win, slaughter us all and Gaia starts afresh."

Still, the chevalier smiles, but the smile is more serious, and his gaze  
resting on Wen-huan as if watching his soul. "Don't be too sure of that  
young friend, you said yourself that the future is ever-changing..."

> >> Wen-huan turns back and shrugs.  "Fate... is not unlike so many women,
> >> she can be influenced and she enjoys showing a bit of herself to the
> >> knowing eye."
> > "... but remains a mystery at the end nevertheless."
>         "Is that not ever the way of women?"  Wen-huan says with a smile.
> "Though they claim we are a mystery to them as well!"

The man laughs. "But of course!"

> >> "If it is not, than the student will destroy themselves soon enough."
> >> Wen-huan replies with utter certainty.
> > Alain ends Wen-Huan's sentence sternly. "So it should be secured that
> > the student takes not to many with him in his destruction..."
> > Sir Raphael looks up from his conversation with Silvara...
>         "No, care must be taken that the student does not learn too much too
> soon so that they harm themselves.  The failure of a student is the fault of
> the Teacher, not the student."  Wen-huan counters gently.

"You are right, yet all too often one does not care enough about this  
fact."
Sir Raphael glances at Wen-huan. "Have you taught students yet?"

> >> {Only what I have heard in rumor and the occassional idyl explaination.}
> >> Wen-huan replies with a smile of his own.
> > {Then you surely have been warned of the Seers of Chronos, have you not?}
> > She smiles with a wink.
>         {Who?}  Wen-huan sends back in return.

{My tradition, Wen-Huan} She sends with yet another soft chuckle...

> Later...
>
> >> "I would enjoy speaking to them I believe."  Wen-huan says
> >> speculatively.
> > Alain raises his eyebrows. "Whom? The Garou or the monsters?"
>         "One man's monsters is often anothers friend."  Wen-huan laughs.
> "Though often it's just a hungry monster!  But you never know until you ask.
> Still, perhaps it would be wiser to speak to the Garou first."

"Wiser indeed." Alain chuckles, then seems to think of something but  
apparently decides not to speak it out.

> > The chevalier smiles satisfied. "Good. Very good." Then he grins
> > boyishly. "Individuality should never be a reason for personal
> > embarassment." He moves on about the walls and Wen-Huan can see the
> > guards watching them, then turning to watch the woods again.
>         "I fear you have gained the wrong impression, individuality is
> something we Akashics encourage."  Wen-huan bows slightly with a smile.
> "However we should not take it to extremes."

"Oh, I have understood perfectly, Wen-huan." The man smiles. "Would you  
want to go and speak with them now? The Garou, it is."

Sir Raphael

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>> Wen-huan shrugs.  "The Arcadia of the Fae falls to the Forces of the
>> Christian Hell and worse, their arises an unstoppable tide of Order
>> and Reason that leads to the death of imagination and utter stasis,
>> then the Nephandi win, slaughter us all and Gaia starts afresh."
> Still, the chevalier smiles, but the smile is more serious, and his gaze
> resting on Wen-huan as if watching his soul. "Don't be too sure of that
> young friend, you said yourself that the future is ever-changing..."
	"That is why I am here, to effect changes that avoid this Fate."
Replies Wen-huan in utter seriousness.

>>> "... but remains a mystery at the end nevertheless."
>> "Is that not ever the way of women?"  Wen-huan says with a smile.
>> "Though they claim we are a mystery to them as well!"
> The man laughs. "But of course!"
	"I have wondered on occassion if even The Name understands these
mysteries, they seem to run so... deep."  Wen-huan muses.

>> "No, care must be taken that the student does not learn too much too
>> soon so that they harm themselves.  The failure of a student is the
>> fault of the Teacher, not the student."  Wen-huan counters gently.
> "You are right, yet all too often one does not care enough about this
> fact."
	Wen-huan bows slightly.  "That is why so many fail unfortunately."

> Sir Raphael glances at Wen-huan. "Have you taught students yet?"
	"Oh course Sir Raphael, part of learning the DO is to pass it along to
others when you can."  Wen-haun answers with a bow.

>> {Who?}  Wen-huan sends back in return.
> {My tradition, Wen-Huan} She sends with yet another soft chuckle...
	Wen-huan shrugs.  {Why should I have been warned of you?  Unless you
are part of some Death Cult I see no difficulties in sharing knowledge.}



Later...

>> "One man's monsters is often anothers friend."  Wen-huan laughs. "Though
>> often it's just a hungry monster!  But you never know until you ask.
>> Still, perhaps it would be wiser to speak to the Garou first."
> "Wiser indeed." Alain chuckles, then seems to think of something but
> apparently decides not to speak it out.
	Wen-huan notices and gestures for Alain to continue...

>> "I fear you have gained the wrong impression, individuality is
>> something we Akashics encourage."  Wen-huan bows slightly with
>> a smile.  "However we should not take it to extremes."
> "Oh, I have understood perfectly, Wen-huan." The man smiles. "Would you
> want to go and speak with them now? The Garou, it is."
	"The moment grasp is frozen, like a butterfly in time; then released,
is the future unfurled in it's wings."  Wen-huan quotes, adding.  "Which is
close enough to the actual meaning if not the rhyme of it.  Shall we proceed?"

Shih Wen-huan

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