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Subject: Re: Recent changes
From: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @ plaidworks . com>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:37:24 -0800
To: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs @ math . uh . edu>, Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @ plaidworks . com>
Cc: majordomo-workers @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: <ufa677zwucl.fsf@epithumia.math.uh.edu>
References: Chuq Von Rospach's message of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:09:25-0800" <ufan21cy4w7.fsf@epithumia.math.uh.edu><ufan21cy4w7.fsf@epithumia.math.uh.edu><v04104803b3158b63d602@plaidworks.com><v04104806b315e38c6537@plaidworks.com>

At 5:48 PM -0600 3/17/99, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

>But will the issue at hand (arbitrary text substitutions) actually help
>this?  Will anything except for a vigilant owner and true moderation
>actually protect you from a list wrecker?

It can help. A dedicated list-wrecker, it might be really tough to 
stop. It depends on just how dedicated and stubborn he wants to be.

But you can stop an entire class of meta-fights from ever starting 
simply by automapping "rhymes with duck" to f***. Because everyone 
knows what the person meant to say, but actually SEEING it said is 
what tends to push people's buttons. And I'm actually not nearly as 
worried about the word itself, but to the inevitable over-reaction to 
the word and the meta-fight the response creates (yeah, so someone 
posts the message about the AOL virus hoax. Again. Sigh. That's 
annoying. The 30 people who -- on the list -- want to ream the guy a 
new orifice, that's what screws over the list. And you can tell 
people not to do that all you want, but the only SAFE way to keep 
those meta-fights off the list is to snip the source problem and keep 
it from starting the fight...)

I actually have philosophical issues with mapping rhymes-with-duck to 
f***. My interest in the substitution issues lie more in removing or 
truncating things like the hotmail (and yahoo, and...) advertisements 
that go on every piece of e-mail. For rhymes-with-duck, I'd rather 
bounce it and suggest the user reword their message, rather than do 
it for them. But there are classes of problems where I could make an 
argument that auto-remapping DOES make sense (perhaps, say, to use it 
as a cheapie spell-corrector for all those people who can't spell 
unsubscribe....).

No single right answer here. Lots of little problems, each with 
answers that overlap situationally. And so it comes down to what the 
tools you have and how you can configure them.

(and if that person really can't make his message without using 
rhymes-with-duck, well, at least he'll be having his argument with me 
privately, and the list can go on along its business withnout being 
sidetracked by yet another annoying meta-fight... )

--
Chuq Von Rospach, Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui@plaidworks.com)
<http://www.plaidworks.com/> + <http://www.lists.apple.com/>
 (Hockey fan? <http://www.plaidworks.com/hockey/>)

This just out: it has been determined that Salad Forks are not Y2K 
compatible, and won't work after 12/31/1999. Until cutlery 
manufacturers can issue appropriate patches for their hardware, users 
are encouraged to purchase a set of chopsticks. The fallback plan, 
using the dinner fork for the salad, has been rejected as tacky.



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