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Subject: Re: Which header gives the "user address"?
From: John Orthoefer <jco @ bbnplanet . com>
Organization: BBN Planet
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:36:58 -0400
To: majordomo-workers @ greatcircle . com
References: <ufaemlezhtf.fsf@epithumia.math.uh.edu>

Without coming out a little heavy handed here.  But that order, the one
mj1 uses, is the "correct" way to do it.  Even though this section is
"Recommeded" I find it easier to explain that is the way the RFC says to
do it.

johno

The following is from RFC-822:
     4.4.4.  AUTOMATIC USE OF FROM / SENDER / REPLY-TO
 
        For systems which automatically  generate  address  lists  for
        replies to messages, the following recommendations are made:
 
            o   The "Sender" field mailbox should be sent  notices  of
                any  problems in transport or delivery of the original
                messages.  If there is no  "Sender"  field,  then  the
                "From" field mailbox should be used.
 
            o   The  "Sender"  field  mailbox  should  NEVER  be  used
                automatically, in a recipient's reply message.
 
            o   If the "Reply-To" field exists, then the reply  should
                go to the addresses indicated in that field and not to
                the address(es) indicated in the "From" field.
 
             o   If there is a "From" field, but no  "Reply-To"  field,
                the  reply should be sent to the address(es) indicated
                in the "From" field.
 
        Sometimes, a recipient may actually wish to  communicate  with
        the  person  that  initiated  the  message  transfer.  In such
        cases, it is reasonable to use the "Sender" address.
 
        This recommendation is intended  only  for  automated  use  of
        originator-fields  and is not intended to suggest that replies
        may not also be sent to other recipients of messages.   It  is
        up  to  the  respective  mail-handling programs to decide what
        additional facilities will be provided.
 

Johno

Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> 
> Majordomo1 and (currently) Majordomo2 look in the following headers to find
> the user address (first existing, nonempty header gets it):
> 
> Reply-To:
> From:
> Apparently-From:
> 
> I am beginning to think this is bogus.  The problem is (again) the fact
> that nobody can decide what Reply-To: really means.  Why is this a problem?
> 
> My Mj2 lists are semi-closed to outsiders.  If you are not a list member,
> you must respond to a confirmation message before you can post.  Where is
> that message sent?  To the "user address", of course.  So if you post a
> message to my list and another list and set Reply-To: to that list (which
> is a reasonable use of Reply-To:, I think) guess who gets the confirmation?
> The same goes for "you can't post" messages and the like.
> 
> So, is it still common to use Reply-To: instead of just forging From: to
> indicate the address you receive mail at?  Is the above brokenness worth
> keeping the behavior?  I think it isn't; the only way we've managed to get
> away with it so far is because Majordomo1 sends _no_ status messages back
> to the "user".  I'm not willing to force the continuation of that practice,
> so From: is going to have to rule.
> 
> Unless there's something I'm missing.
> 
>  - J<



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