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Subject: Re: FW: using majordomo to invalidate patents
From: Dave Wolfe <dwolfe @ risc . sps . mot . com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:06:58 -0500
To: "Chawla, Jay" <jchawla @ cooley . com>
Cc: "'majordomo-workers @ greatcircle . com'" <majordomo-workers @ GreatCircle . COM>, "'majordomo-docs @ greatcircle . com'" <majordomo-docs @ GreatCircle . COM>
In-reply-to: <7FEDB62047F5D311ACA1009027403503080F9D@reexchange.cooley.com>; from Chawla, Jay on Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 12:10:50PM -0400
References: <7FEDB62047F5D311ACA1009027403503080F9D@reexchange.cooley.com>

[ Chawla, Jay writes: ]
> > 
> > I am trying to invalidate 2 patents filed on February 1, 1996 that claim
> > functionality that I believe existed in majordomo prior to February 1,
> > 1995.  (Anything that does what a patent claims more than 1 year before
> > the filing date of the patent invalidates the patent.)  
[...]
> > Does majordomo (and message digests) do these things?
[...]
> > o  A group messaging server (GMS) that receives messages addressed to a
> > group and forwards those messages to all group members

Yes.

> > o  An ability for someone to create a messaging group by sending a message
> > to the GMS with the name of the new group

Not in versions prior to 1999 (1998?).

> > o  An ability for someone to send a message to the GMS specifying a group,
> > and have the GMS add that person to the group

Yes.

> > o  An ability for someone to send a message to the GMS specifying a group,
> > and have the GMS delete that person from the group

Yes.

> > o  Every group has a name.  To send a message to the group, a person sends
> > the message to the GMS with the name of the group

Sort of, actually the message is sent to the "group name" instead of the
"GMS".

> > o  The GMS can 'aggregate' messages -- that is, it can take a sequence of
> > messages to a group, glob them together and send the resulting big message
> > to the group

Yes.

> > If majordomo did any (not necessarily all) of these things prior to
> > February 1, 1995, I would *very much* appreciate if you could point me to
> > any source code and other documentation with documented
> > publication/distribution dates prior to February 1995, that could be used
> > to prove it.
> > 
> > I am aware of Brent Chapman's 1992 paper in LISA VI, but I need something
> > with more detail that documents the above described functionality from the
> > patents.  I am also able to get the source code for Release 1.94.5 from
> > the web, but I believe that that release is too recent to be useful in
> > invalidating the patents.

My copy of Mj 1.93 documents being released on Tue Jan 10
18:33:22 1995. A compressed tar file of 1.93 is available from
ftp://www.greatcircle.com/OLD/majordomo-1.93.tar.Z as are various other
supporting files in that directory. Archives of the various Mj mail
lists are also available from http://www.greatcircle.com/archive/ which
date back to 1992. Let us know how this turns out.

-- 
 Dave Wolfe




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